Theo’s Mr Angry, Arsene’s Gary Cooper

Theo Walcott is Mr. Angry according to Manuel Almunia ,

I told him to be a bit more aggressive and not so nice on the pitch because if people can kill you they will do so

It is something that is of concern. Not Theo’s niceness but the expectations that have been raised since his sojourn to Croatia. Since then he is a world-beater. Before that, he was a hopeful of a more imposing season. There is a balance between the two that has to be struck. He is a key player for Arsenal, providing more directness than before but we need perhaps to step back from the edge – as does his manager – and continue to allow him to develop before we pounce on every match where his performance does not meet expectations.

Arsene must feel a little like Gary Cooper in High Noon, listening to ‘Do not foresake me, oh my darling, the speed with which he has been foresook by some. It is right to question decisions such as Saturday’s team selection. But remember two things; you have the luxury of an armchair and none of us is right all the time.

A strange piece from Oliver Kay in The Times yesterday. As in peculiar ‘strange’, not humorous ‘strange’. Of course Wenger pines for a world where ‘brilliant young talent would conquer all’ as he has the brightest young collection of players ready for first team action, anywhere in the world. Now that is a sweeping statement and entirely subjective; if I had put Europe there would be no question for the Champions League has indicated that there are none so collectively young as Arsenal.

It is the reason for optimism in these seemingly dark days where pessimism ‘rules OK’ – the chant would be similar to that of ‘A-G-AGR-AGRO’ which emanated from many a terrace thirty years ago except ‘P-E-PES…’ doesn’t quite scan. The recent under-par performances against Hull and Sunderland have cast doubt, when considered with Fulham, as to the viability of believing that a title challenge can be made. Everyone wants to believe it can be done but there are, understandable, doubts emerging.

Last season raised the expectation that this season would see the club return to the summit of English football. The blistering start, stumble and recovery before the fall towards the end of the season, gave indications that Arsene’s faith in the squad was actually correct. That he did not make significant investment in the summer dampened the spirits for sections of the support, casting doubts when considered alongside the huge sums invested in and by other clubs. Yet the big spenders are not necessarily seeing the returns that they would have expected, the gap that they are trying to bridge in one attempt is too large. That does not alter the fact that the eight points dropped thus far have been unexpected in their happening. Fulham are not a powerhouse, nor with all due respect, were Sunderland and Hull.

However, judgement is being passed too quickly as the season is not even one-sixth passed in the League. Liverpool and Chelsea have been consistent thus far and have both played Manchester United. Does that make them a cut above Arsenal? Depth-wise, the former are far above everyone else in the league yet they were not Champions of England or Europe last season. They have their own problems in a misfiring forward line but that is compensated by having a scoring midfield. Liverpool have stumbled, Torres the only forward to score in the league, their altitude in the Premier League would not be so high had they not bucked recent history by beating United. The defending Champions meanwhile have stumbled but recovered in recent weeks. In short, no one is setting the division alight so far.

Arsenal, though, are not being afforded that ‘luxury’. It seems the dropped points are too much. That we have yet to play a top four rival is held as the axeman waiting on the stage for the final denouement. Why is this the case? Why is there a ready assumption that we will not be able to regain the points by beating Chelsea, United or Liverpool? Last season’s encounters with those teams suggest that the balance between victory and defeat is marginal. One win in the six encounters could quite easily have been none or six. Chelsea were fortunate to gain three points at Stamford Bridge, Liverpool fortunate at Anfield whilst the home points against Liverpool and United could, conceivably, have gone the other way. There is no cause for instant dismissal of results before the matches have happened.

It has not been a rollicking ride this season; it has not been the fatal drop either. The international fortnight allows cobwebs to be shaken. Notoriously poor after international weeks, perhaps this is the season when slovenliness does not happen then, especially with a home match against West Ham. Perhaps we needed this international break to recharge mentally, a change of scene being as good as a rest.

’til Tomorrow.

Posted on October 7, 2008, in Arsenal, Football, Premier League, Soccer and tagged , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 175 Comments.

  1. Really liked todays blogg.. very in depth and level headed. U summed up the current state of affairs perfectly YW.

    What ive noticed with our team this season so far is that they aint played with the same freedom like last year. We had players like Rosicky, Hleb roaming into the final third and causing all types of problems. So far Walcott, Fabregas, Eboue etc havent really done that on a consistent basis. Theres games where we are flowing yet there are games where it looks like we are playing as if Wenger has put a leesh on some of the players necks.

    Football is about expression of ability, Nasri is a perfect example who plays to his own footballing instincts, Cesc and RvP too. Put these players in their preferred positions, give them that freedom and we will set the Premiership alight. I think Wenger has gone too strict on tactics of late and is showing too much respect to other teams.

  2. Yogi,

    I’m going to have to disagree with your rational outlook!

    We are four points off the lead and are fast running out of games to close the gap.

    Anyone watch the reserves last night? How did the Bischoff lad and Silvestre look?

  3. Ian Wright….I love him but he’s a complete moron. He’s been apparently quoted as saying he won’t like the Spuds to go down. Hell I would, but that’s not the extent of his silliness.

    He thinks the problem is that Ramos hasn’t been given enough money!!

    Jesus, the problem with Tottenham is their board who as the French say, want to fart higher than their asses. They had a manager who took them to like 3 5th place finishes and almost into the CL and they fired him. They overpay for players thinking “spending big” is the same as buying quality.

  4. Danny

    Running out of games?!!!?! There are 32 left!!!

    You assume Chelsea or whoever is top will match or better our results every week. Unlikely to happen. If we beat Chelsea, for example, the gap is 1 point. The logic of throwing in the towel just doesn’t hold up at this time of the season.

    YW

  5. Wenger has, by his refusal to buy the obvious reinforcements needed in defence and midfield, totally thrown away the entire season for the club, the players and the supporters.

    Not surprised Fabregas hasn’t shown up yet, whats the point? We have no chance of winning the league, and that really pisses me off.

    Wenger is still god, but he’s a bloody stubborn and infuriating god who refuses to make substitutions before the 70th minute.

    Totally obvious we need a defender along the likes of vidic or skyrtle(spelling?), and a defensive midfielder.

    As keane said, we don’t have strong characters in our team like viera, Adams, Bergy, Henry anymore. I don’t know if Wenger’s just blind or temporarily flat broke, i hope it’s the second one.

  6. Yogi,

    I hope you’re joking because I was.

    I’m with you, in the prefer to get out of bed and be postive camp!

    I still fancy us, to get the usual bandwagon jumping fans and pundits purring once more.

  7. I hope Danny was being tongue in cheek.

    Bischoff was tidy very efficient with his passing, considering that it is his first game back he did look short on fitness.

    Silvestre did have much to do.

    Coquelin was impressed me most.

  8. Adam,

    The invincibles were not always considered full of grit and resolve. That characteristic evolved through time.

    There are no gurantees with big spending.

    Speak to Spurs at the foot of the table or Liverpool with one goal in a million games twenty million pound Robbie Keane.

    The question is can this team develop into winners? That process is not neccesarily triggered by throwing money about.

  9. Ole Gunner

    Should we really care if the Tottenham board is farting higher than their asses or through their noses for that matter?

    By the way, I love that French phrase though. 🙂

  10. Really great blog, At Arsenal we seem to be either the greatest thing since sliced bread or so short of players we cant win anything, with an undertone that Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester United are much much better, except as you say the margins have been very very small in pervious years.

    Everyone at Arsenal has to stop scaring themshelves and believe and have confidence in the players.

  11. WENGERS team selection is atrocious all the talk about big changes was back to usual Wengerspin, Vela, Nasri and Song should be starters, Denilson should be on the bench, both Gallas and Ade shouuld also start from the bench, Vela really partners Bentdner, Ade does not jell with RVP. All of the favourites need a rest

  12. I’m so grateful that the invincible team got through that 0-0 at Old toilet, that really united us, and ‘world against us’ effect really spurred us to greater things. I hope to see a similar bust-up with many suspensions, etc, and the whole press turning up against us. It will really help mold a better mentality, and help us as a team. I remember how sky kept showing us in a bad plight, only to eat humble pie with us winning the league.

  13. sol

    And what happens when the players you’ve mentioned don’t deliver? I expect there will be a chorus of ‘get rid of ’em, they aren’t good enough‘.

    YW

  14. Good post Rocky,

    We are taking heavy critcism, in particular after the Hull defeat. I would hope this would be enough, for the unity and seige mentality you speak of, but maybe as you say, we need a mass brawl of sorts to really get the grit between our teeth.

  15. Anyone who follows the league would see how luck too has a part. Not an excuse, but when you have two goals disallowed in two succesive games, and you have teams like liverpool given favorable decisions against Man shitty, and manure with that trademark penalty decision against bolton or the first goal against blackburn even though vidic clearly fouled the keeper. The team which has looked solid and consistent so far has to be Chelsea. But I’m not sure how good is Scolari when they go through a poor phase. Willy they recover? Not so sure…

  16. No offense Solgooner.. but u chat some breeze sometimes. You call for the other players to be drafted in, but Wenger wanted a reaction from the players after Hull and he got it with only making 1 change. They all proved they were up to the task. Against Sunderland we dominated, but they played lacklustre tactics which were difficult for any team to break down. As usual a wonder goal goes in against us… what can the players do exactly in situations and games like that?.. we need to find an alternative answer sometimes, but i felt very fortunate that we managed to get a point.. yet in a match we should have won but could have lost due to a bad decision on the referees part.

    For me Wenger got the tactics wrong, van Persie was not effective, Ade isolated, and we just couldnt function against a resolute and all defending sunderland. But all this has nothing to do with dropping players, they have all earnt their place in the team. Denilson didnt deserve to be dropped, nor did RvP or walcott.. dont ask for changes just for the sake of it. Its not a time to experiment, its time to build our best 11 and show confidence in the team as it seems none of the supporters anymore give a crap

  17. Agree with your post, YW. Just wanted to add that although posters broadly agreed as to what had gone wrong last Saturday, there was still a divide between those of us (like me) who feel it was an error of judgement by Arsene, and those of us who think it is a symptom of deeper, insoluble problems with Arsene or the squad.

    @Paul N, if you’re reading today, LOVED your post from last night. You articulated clearly what I have been thinking. Thank you!

    @Passenal
    Great response to NYmarcus about the influence the fans have at games.

    Some more positives to take from Saturday.
    1. We have accidentally discovered the formation to take on any of the other of the Big Four in a crucial match IN THE ABSENCE of Cesc. Nasri or Bendtner or Van Persie or a fit Rosicky could take the number 10 position, supported by two out of Denilson/Song/Djourou as the holding players. The other personnel in midfield and in the CF position would depend on whether it’s a game we can’t afford to lose, or a game we absolutely have to win.
    2. Wenger might have the proof he needs to stop playing Van Persie on the left. 🙂

    At Hull and Fulham I felt the players let Arsene down with their performance, but at Sunderland, it was for once, the other way around.
    With that, I am officially MOVING ON.
    Stay safe on international duty, guys! Up the Arsenal!!!

  18. amendment – maybe “intractable” rather than “insoluble” in the first paragraph.

  19. If I was picking away at the Sunderland game, at Wenger’s chosen tactics, I would say he made a good mistake!

    Wenger I believe rightly played Song to protect the back four in a Northern blizzard.

    However, if your midfield has Song, Fabregas and Denilson, the fourth midfieder must provide plenty of attacking guile, cutting edge and a bit of goal threat.

    Wenger gave that role to Walcott, in my mind, it maybe should have been Nasri, but that he showed so much faith in Theo is great for him and our future. A good mistake maybe. Theo has the pace and directness to work in that kind of a formation, lending balance to the side, it required him to have an excellent game and you could argue he made a goal but he was not quite at his best.

    This is not an attack on Theo, just an observation on what I perceived as extra responsibility for the youngster.

    I also wonder how close Van Persie is to going into a rich vein of form. Just get the feeling that would make all the difference.

  20. Adam, and anyone else for that matter,

    It would seem fair to assume that Wenger decided not to address the centre back position in the transfer window just gone, as he said at the start of the summer that he wouldn’t be buying a centre half.

    But its clearly wrong to assume, as you seem to be, that Wenger chose not to buy in the centre mid position.

    He said all along that he was trying to do so, and there is plenty of evidence to suggest that he tried to buy Toure, Inler and others. We’d agreed terms with Alonso, but couldn’t agree the fee with Liverpool. Wenger would have been just as frustrated as anyone at the failure to sign one of these players.

  21. Fungunner

    U say that about discovering the formation to play against United and the top teams…. yet we couldnt break Sunderland down with that formation still. I think we should just really stick to what we know best and go 4-4-2 every game and attack. Its what we do, its what we are good at, and its the Arsenal way.

    I think in tricky away games a 4-5-1 is necessary sometimes, but we need to show more confidence in our own team and approach to the game. Imagine what the Sunderland players would have been thinking when they found out we were playing 2 defensive midfiled players.. i bet they thought we were scared!

    O yeh.. when Cesc is missing, Nasri is more than adeuate to move into the middle. What i cant understand in the last few games when Nasri has been out is.. why Wenger hasnt given Vela a try on left wing !! He is naturally left footed, quick, and will provide us some genuine width which we lacked severely. We have everything we need to win this league, Wenger aint using it to its fullest as of yet.

  22. Theo’s a liability right now. I’ve been looking at our games so far and I find he unbalances the team so much….

    1- Sagna can’t push to the byline.
    2. Walcott isn’t effective defending around the box.
    3. He’s completely useless defending corners and set pieces.
    4. He’s not scoring.

    Of course he’s an immense player for us but he still might be better for us as an impact player till he brings on his defensive game as the yanks say.

    I think Arsene’s 4-3-3 was to accomodate Theo against Sunderland. I think the goal was to have a buffer between Theo and Sagna and stem our defensive problems from that end.

  23. Peter Storeys Budgie

    I said at the start of the season we would finish 4th.And nothing that has happen so far has made me change my mind.

    The reason is our rivals have again spent big again and even though we were not good enough last year we have failed to strengthen in vital area”s centre half and defensive midfield.

    Instead of buying teenagers we should have been signing experience.But Wengers dream is to win the title with youngsters and unless he changes that policy a top 4 finish is the best we can hope for

  24. YOGI so you dont think any players I mentioned could start from the bench and come on when needed? Im not saying get rid of them but Ade, Gallas, and RVP are well below par, and if Djoru doesnt get playing time his game drops off, so why not give him a chance, Denislon is good in attack but hes not the answer when trying to defend

  25. The 4-5-1 formation only really works if we have lots of creativity form midfield. Last season the best performances came when we had a 5 man midfield that had Cesc, Hleb and Rosicky in there.

    We just dont break on teams at the moment and there are not enough players in the midfield that can get the ball at feet and go past people or draw them in to make space.

    We badly need Nasri to stay fit and get regular games. Especially as Rosicky may be out for even longer now.

  26. CHRIS the best eleven should include Vela and Nasri, RVP is not a winger Vela showed in Spain last season he is a winger and a striker, playing Song and Denilosn together is not productive. How many oals must Gallas concede from corners before hes give a little rest

  27. The good news for us is that Taore is really beginning to adapt as a winger in the Portsmouth team giving us one more option next season, I hope Coqulein plays in the CC and graduates to the first team he looked good last night

  28. we did not dominate at sunderland. they let us have possession and we very rarely got the ball into dangerous areas. sunderland only came forward about 4 times yet had just as many good chances as we did. Keane let us have the ball as part of his game plan. he made a thick wall and said if you can pass your way round this, then you can have a goal but you are not coming through here without a fight. so what does wenger do? nothing. he leaves us as 4-5-1 when Ade needed a proper partner to work with.

    too many players were not in their strongest position in a game that we needed to be at our best to break down a stubborn defence. in this kind of game Walcott is fine on the wing because Sagna does not need any protection since he was hardly attacked by sunderland all game.
    Its quite possible that if you replace RVP with Nasri in that formation we may have won, but I think if we replace Den with Bendtner as well then we almost certainly could have broken them down easier.

  29. I think AW would have realized the futility of playing RVP in left, and Cesc out of position. Anyone else screaming for RVP at right (for once at least)?

  30. going back to our title chances, I would say we have a decent chance of beating the big teams and clearly we are going to have to do very very well in those games to stand a chance because I think we will continue to fail against smaller teams that pack the defence. the other top 4 teams find it easier against small teams and tend to struggle against good teams whereas Arsenal prefer it when the other team comes out to play.

    thing is we play a lot of games against teams like this who pack the defence. there are more of these type games than top 6 type games. so it stands to reason that the other top 4 clubs will benefit more than we are able to. clearly the big games are ‘6 pointers’ and as I said before, we are going to need an exceptional record against our rivals if we are to win the league. its possible, but improbable. my original prediction for the season was 2nd behind chelsea, now I think 4th.

    the thing that worries me is that wenger feels the need to adapt our game to the opposition. I dont often remember him doing that before. we always just play to our strengths with pretty much our tried and tested team and formation. the fact that wenger feels he needs shore up parts of the team to play against minnows just about says it all for his confidence in his players. it also suggests to me that wenger is not yet comfortable with his first 11 ie he doesn’t know what his first 11 is. If he had unshakeable faith in it, they would be playing 90% of games like that with only minor changes around the edges for injuries and fatigue.

  31. I agree, there is a lot of pessimism flying around at the moment, but I think this is not just due to two or three poor results and average performances, but the failure to reinforce the paper-thin squad.
    I agree that we are perfecly capable of winning against one of the other big four teams, but the point is that we are inevitably going to drop points against them. Our first team is capable of beating anyone on their day but our lack of a strong, experienced squad will no doubt cost us over the full league campaign.

  32. Gooner07 that is a very intersting point, RvP on the right is 100 times better than RvP on the left.

    In a game like against Sunderland Wenger should have tried it, becos it was obviously not working. I did not disagree with Walcott coming off for Bendtner, because the Dane made an impact when coming on as did Nasri. I think when things arent working so well we should try different formations up top instead of sticking GALLAS up there!!! He thinks he can rescue us all the time, well it aint gonna happen.

    My alternative formations for games upcoming where we struggle to score.

    —————-Ade—————-
    –Vela————————RvP–
    ———-Nasri—–Cesc———–
    —————-Song—————-
    Clichy———Gallas———Sagna

    Sacrifice Toure or Gallas even and convert to a 4-3-3 with 2 attacking midfielders behind. Nasri & Cesc in the middle together will open up any defense with RvP and Vela darting around off Ade.

    or

    —————–Vela—————–
    ———-Nasri—–Bendtner———-
    Clichy————————–Walcott
    ———Denilson—Cesc————-
    —–Silvestre—Gallas—Toure——

    Adds more pace to the wings.. bring on a another CB to sure things up at the back in case of any counter attacks while advancing Clichy more forward, Denislon & Cesc dictate in the middle. While Vela/Eduardo play off 2 more advenaced midfielders or a striker with strength like Bendtner to feed off. Nasri also in a free role like Hleb was behind Vela.

    Im not suggesting to try these.. but we have the attacking power.. why arent we using it properly?

  33. My 1st formation was meant to be 4 at the back!.. ooppss

  34. For those insisting on comparing this squad unfavourably with the old invincibles era.

    Defensively last year in the prem..we let in 31 goals compared to 42 goals in 02/03 and 26 goals in 03/04 (the invincibles year). If we continue to let in goals at the current rate in 08/09 we will be on 28 goals…slightly worse than 03/04 and consideraby better than 02/03.

    In terms of goals for, last year we scored 74 goals, compared to 73 goals scored in 03/04 and 85 goals in 02/03. If we continue to score at the current rate we are on 71 goals this year.

    Given that there are better teams around now in the prem than in 02/03, and 03/04 I think the current squad are performing OK.

    No reason to be complacent especially as this year we are being interrupted by international breaks like never before. However we can kick on from here so no need for despondency either and in recent years we seem to be doing better than 02/03 and 03/04 in the CL.

    Lies, damn lies and statistics of course…

  35. Liverpool have luked out 3 times should of droped 8 points we should be 2 better off but that aside we r in a 3 way battle 4 3rd or 4th Livp., ManC , AV.

  36. Frank, if youy win 5-0 one week and lose 1-0 the next your goals for and against at the end of ths season will look very impressive but you’ll finish midtable. I’m more interested in the 3 points tha the goal difference and the title is won and lost against plucky little teams that you can beat 1-0 rather than lose 1-0 on a difficult day. thats where Arsenal need to improve.

  37. The InV. were good big strong tuff & exsperianced Keown Campbell Toure at the back P V midfield a bit different to this side

  38. Of course that could be the case, Gazzap, except that we play 38 games and so it tends to even out. It is also true that points are more important than goals and points are only important when compared to tallies of other teams.

    The key for me is that there are more difficult to beat teams in the Prem now as evidenced by us losing two games and still only being 4 points off the top. This season is going to be an almighty scrap compared to previous ones…and it should be very exciting. Internationals willing.

  39. You have obviously thought this through, Damian

  40. We must win some of our matches against the rest of the big four if we are to compete for the title draws will not be good enough

  41. Malaysiangunner

    YW good one but can not agree with you this time.

    We are playing all the so called weaker teams so far that we should be beating and yet we are losing and drawing if we want to win the EPL. In fact we should be topping the table now with many points to spare. If we are drawing and losing to the likes of Sunderland and Hull, you think in all honesty that we can be doing better against the likes of Liverpool, Chel$ki and Manures. My heart wish we can but my head thinks that these will be even more difficult games against better players.

    May we can rise to the challenge but the probability is lower than we are now assuming.

    Sorry for being a doom monger but this league gets tougher not easier as more monied is poured in year after year.

    I do agree that it is a tactical mistake than the players problem but we lost 2 valuable points and this season 8 points total that we should not have lost. We will always lose points when we play the top ten but not when playing the bottom half of the table.

    All of the above presumes we want to be challenging for no 1

    Up The Arse!!!

  42. For f***s sake. I give up. Those who want to watch each game with a microscope to pick up on every ‘mistake’ to feed their own grim view of the world….so be it.

    I disagree with you.

  43. “This season is going to be an almighty scrap compared to previous ones”

    On that, we are in agreement. Already it’s looking a bit strange with Hull City in 3rd, Pool finally winning against MU and being several points ahead of MU. I’m waiting to see how the league looks after everyone’s played 10 games.

    Elsewhere in Europe, it’s looking interesting: Bayern have had a lousy start to the season, they’re 11th. Martin Jol’s Hamburg are on top. Jens’ Stuttgart just trounced Bremen and are 2nd. In Spain, Valencia are top and Villareal are tied on points just behind them. And Brazil’s Serie A this season has been named the league’s most competitive and most unpredictable in its entire history.

    Oh and Frank, sorry if you felt my comments about Stoke yesterday were some kind of insult, not that I’ll take my comments back. Don’t care how venerable they are in the least. Corinthians is a venerable Brazilian club and at the top of Serie B, they’re still playing boring football.

    As for “freaking” — the last time I used the real “f” word on this blog I got slated for cursing. So I resorted to “freaking.” I can’t win.

    Yogi: “Everyone wants to believe it can be done but there are, understandable, doubts emerging” Understandable to you, but not by some on this blog. The mere act of doubting brands you as a heretic.

    Yogi: “That he did not make significant investment in the summer dampened the spirits for sections of the support, casting doubts when considered alongside the huge sums invested in and by other clubs.”

    It’s not a question of “spending big” — it never was. I’ve never believed in “spending big” as a solution. Spurs spend big every summer and they’re flirting with relegation now. I’d never want AW to spend 20m (or far less than that) on Robbie Keane! All I’d hoped for was a gem like Sagna or Eduardo.

    “In short, no one is setting the division alight so far.”

    Except maybe Hull, who’s every neutral’s favorite right now. Not that I think they’re amazing run will last the season.

    Chris: “Against Sunderland we dominated, but they played lacklustre tactics which were difficult for any team to break down.”

    True, so what you do then is change your tactics, your approach. Which AW failed to do. Hull was the players’ fault, not AW’s. Sunderland was AW’s fault, not the players’. I found AW’s comments after Sunderland irritating. He complained that Sunderland were happy to play for a 0-0 draw, they didn’t come out to play football. He was right but the point is that he knows teams will play like that and he should be prepared to deal with it. He should adjust his tactics and substitions. Of course he knows this, and I’m sure he was just voicing his frustration. But it still made him sound naive.

    “Great response to NYmarcus about the influence the fans have at games.” — oh really? I have zero time or respect for this argument that equates expressions of doubts, frustrations, criticisms on a blog to lack of support at live games. When I go to England next year to attend 3 or 4 live Arsenal matches, I’ll be cheering and chanting my head off for the team, regardless of what is actually happening on the pitch. We could be losing badly, I’ll still go hoarse cheering the team on. Arsenal could be relegated, if I’m at a game, I cheer the team on. I don’t boo Arsenal players, I don’t insult them if they make mistakes.

    If you’re too damned stupid to understand the distinction between expressing one’s opinion on a blog and cheering the team on in live games, then that’s not my problem. If you can’t bear to read genuine Arsenal supporters express doubts and frustrations on a forum for discussion and debate, then wtf are you even doing participating in the blogosphere at all?

    If you’re too dum to differentiate between fans debating freely amongst themselves and their conduct at live games when it’s time to support the team and cheer them on–win, lose or draw–then discussion with Arsenal fans must be a massive shock for you when you discover that we’re a diverse bunch of people who (away from live games, out of earshot of the players and manager) don’t think exactly the way you do.

  44. Oh, and this must be said to all the idiots out there who trashed AW for gambling on Bischoff: yes, it was just one game but he was very good against Stoke, a roughouse team that came to kick our young players all over the park. After not playing for such a long time you’d expect him to be way below par. But his distribution, passing and vision were excellent; and he made a couple of great, committed runs into the box. He may be another fantastic Wenger discovery.

  45. I don’t know if somebody has already pointed this out, and I know that i’m being a pedant here… but 7 games out of 38 in the PL count as MORE than 1/6th of a season.

  46. Peter Storeys Budgie

    Frank

    The only statistic that counts is the Invincilbles won the league and went 49 games unbeaten.

    The spine of the team was Lehmann,Campbell,PV4 and TH14. The present teams doesnt even come close.

  47. NYMarcus et al,

    Too many people equate big money with star signings with quality. The three are not mutually inclusive terms.

    There are several crucial aspects to this season. Firstly, it is too ‘young’ to be writing anyone off. Nobody – but nobody – can say they know Arsenal will not win the league. Well, you can but then you risk being brand a fool or worse.

    There is no heresy in questioning the current form. There is no heresy in saying Arsenal will not win the league. It might be right. It might be wrong. Come next April / May, you will know the answer to your question.

    There is no point in continually hoping for a Sagna or Eduardo. How do we know that there is not one in waiting – who is to say that Denilson is not a gem. I am not convinced he is in tandem with Cesc. I could be wrong.

    This season has been too full of extremes. We are either considered world-beaters or no-hopers. Where has the sense of perspective gone? Reactions are simply too strong with seven games gone. We will never win a trophy in that space of time. We will never lose a trophy in that space of time.

    YW

  48. Good post NY Marcus. I also dont like the way anyone who questions AW or Arsenal overall is some kind of disloyal fan who doesn’t really love the team. they equate anything negative as being against the club. its quite the opposite, we are very concerned about the club and are desperate for Arsenal to do well. If we see where we think we are falling short, we say so – its not negative.

  49. NYMarcus, Stoke City are an old club very much a part of the English footballing tradition. Nice to see them back again. You were commenting in detail about the abilities of their reserve side…I think you should give them a break.

    As for words like freaking, smeg, feckin..it is just pathetic that people have to resort to the use of these anaemic, invented words on a football blogsite. An adult site? I had assumed so..although i have doubts about one or two of the contributors.

    On the negative stuff..football is not a precise science and sometimes results just happen. But constantly whining about the team not being up to scratch and not being capable of winning trophies is very wearing.

    Btw the negative stuff does have an effect on the terraces (wish we still had them) it serves to polarise opinion and give artifical support to ars*holes who boo the team…still happening especially to Eboue (and it is not all a play on his name). I also have a suspicion that the negative stuff gets through to the players and it certainly feeds elements of the press.

  50. Malaysiangunner

    Frank

    Supporting the Arsenal is not like entering a religious cult where no dissent or the hint of doubt is allowed.

    Up The Arse!!!

  51. PSB, I suggest you learn to read.

  52. Ameya

    Seven out of 38 is indeed more than one-sixth (6.33 games). However it is not one-fifth (7.6 games). Indeed it is marginal as to whether or not we are 1/6th or 1/5th of the way through the season. You takes your pick on that one.

    YW

  53. No Malaysiangunner, neither is it a cult of whinging whining moaners with half arsed delusions of grandeur in terms of footballing knowledge. You are just to quick to complain.

  54. Arsenal fans have, to borrow a phrase from P. Diddy, bugged the f++k out.

    I don’t understand the one week Brazil 1970, next week Barnet, thing. Perspective is very well needed.

    What is clear is that the team needs to find consistency very soon, and Wenger’s tinkering is messing with what I considered a strength; our stability.

    I don’t even get all this rotation and changing formations. Get stability in one formation before we start moving pieces around. Did he catch the Benitez disease or what?

    Liverpool and Chelsea are doing well right now but I won’t assume they’ll keep doing so. Neither of them has looked convincing. Chelsea has looked convincing to me once this season, and that’s Saturday when they overwhelmed Villa.

  55. Yogi, I am not in disagreement with you on the basics. I come to this blog because it keeps me hopeful, even when it feels like there’s little to hope for. You’re a lifeline among Arsenal blogs.

    I’m sure I’m not alone when I say that being a supporter of a football club often means going thru a host of contradictory emotions — sometimes extreme emotions. There are moments when your faith waivers, never your support. I know few gooners who are consistently on an even keel. Deep down, it is not true that I have firmly “written off” this season for the league, tho I have expressed it twice on this blog. One of those times I said “a part of me” has given up on the league. Emotionally, when it comes to Arsenal, I can’t really ever give up hope until it becomes impossible mathematically for us to win the title. Nor do I disbelieve in the quality of this team — tho the biggest area where I think we are lacking in comparison to our rivals is in leadership.

    As I’ve said many times before, I will be very happy to see my doubts proven wrong.

  56. “I don’t understand the one week Brazil 1970, next week Barnet, thing.”

    That’s the media, not the fans.

    The rest of your post is spot-on re AW’s rotation and the performances of our rivals. The hype around Chelsea ignores a lot of frailties in their squad.

  57. NYMarcus,

    You and others often say it is not big spending in terms of huge transfer fees, but signings of quality like that of Sagna and Eduardo previously, that Wenger is guilty of not making this pre-season.

    My issue with this is, you have raised your expectations based purely on Arsene Wenger’s sensational tranfer market record. In my mind, you have raised the expectation unfairly.

    Everyone wants to sign players for 8 Million or so, who once their ability is displayed at a higher level will clearly be valued at nearer 20 Million say. Unfortunately, very few are first able to find those players and then provide the platform where that talent may shine.

    Check out Spurs signings, Modric for bloody loads, the same for Bentley.

    Chelsea have to pay a huge fee for Bosingwa. Sagna is of equal worth for something like half the cost.

    In simple terms these quality signings at good prices are not a given, but mini Wenger miracles. It seems, a little out of line, to use his own aptitude for talent spotting, to be yet another stick to beat him with.

    Just because he has made these great signings so many times, you now act like he just has to shake the nearest tree and out will drop the next Vieira, Eduardo or Sagna.

    Harsh indeed!

  58. NYMarcus,

    You say you come here to keep you hopeful. Which is great, I’m sure you’re welcome.

    However, as you suck up the positive energy, we have to endure non stop negativity.

    It’s draining my fellow Gooner!

  59. So cesc is starting to get uneasy!

    Guys, what is your take on this?

    I have to say if this is true, we are in deep trouble and the sad part is that I really CANNOT blame cesc!

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/oct/07/arsenal.barcelona

  60. I agree with Danny

  61. ChrisGoona,

    You called me stupid in yesterdays blog, when you clearly didnt read my comment properly.

    What i said was – if we continue in the same form as the games up until now, we will not win the league.

    Now i would love to be proved wrong, and hope you are right when you say we will win it, but when you look at how and who we have played so far – do you really believe it?

    On the flip side, if we can get a level of consistency going, and defend a little better, then we have very chance.

    I based my comment on what i have seen so far this season – not only from us, but from our challengers.

    And at this stage – you have to say Chelsea look the more effective team to get the points needed to win the title.

  62. Matt, the point is that no-one has the foggiest clue who is going to win the league at this stage of the season. Not one tiny, weeny clue.

  63. Alex Ice Cream

    gazzup, NYmarcus,

    I totally agree that you can criticise the team constructively and this does not make you less of a supporter and does not affect your behaviour at the match. In the pub during the Blackburn game the atmosphere was great and I sang long and hard and this was at the pub! If I did the same at Dubaibury I would have probably been threatened with eviction. I stood on the old North Bank and people knew that I had been to the game as I usually lost my voice. After over 30 years of going to games, I don’t need, nor wiil I accept, my loyalty being questioned as I have the “temerity” to voice a few concerns.

    NYmarcus. I miss our huge arguments. Its a bit boring now that we agree so much!

    More worrying is the Cesc interview which containes the words “aunque el año que viene, ya veremos” “although next year we will see” after saying he decided to give everything for Arsenal.

    If he did say those words, then I am worried. I speak Spanish so I know what the words mean. Regulars on this blog know that Cesc leaving is my greatest fear even more so than not winning the CL or Prem. This would be cataclysmic for us.

    Cesc is irreplaceable and his game has been affected by the loss of Hleb and Flamini no matter what anyone thinks about these two. Cesc says that Hleb is his best friend in football. Nasri may help in this regard but being partnered by Denilson and Song has not worked (yet). We have the best player in the world being partnered by young hopefuls which is a disgrace in my opinion. People will say that Flamini was the same but he wasn’t. He had been at Arsenal for 3 years and gained experience and was in the teeam that got to the CL final albeit as a left back. Denilson and or Song need to do a Flamini but I reckon the chances are slim.

    Did Wenger underestimate the impact that losing Hleb and Flam would have on Cesc. Tom’s continual injuries haven’t helped either. Maybe Wenger should have tried harder to replace Flam. Time will tell.

  64. Danny, fair enuf. I DO think that AW tried to purchase at least one more player, a midfielder. I think he genuinely wanted to get one and that he was disappointed that a couple of his targets refused his offers. In the case of Inler, for example, I don’t think it was a case of money, I think the player just didn’t want to move. All that said, I do think that AW did not try hard enuf to strengthen the squad once we’d lost two first team midfielders. The loss of Gilberto and Jens did not worry me. If we’d just lost Hleb, I wouldn’t have been so concerned. But losing Flam AND Hleb, while not addressing the problems in the back line, simply left too many areas of weakness in the team. We’re seeing the results now–I can’t see how you can argue that fans like me and Alex IC are wrong about that, given the inconsistent results we’ve seen so far.

    At the end of last season, there was only one area we were all concerned about and that was the defense, which AW himself talked about. Now there are two areas to be concerned about. I understand AW’s desire to give chances to players like Denilson to step up, I agree with that stance up to a point. But we’re suffering from a weaker midfield with players with less experience than those who left AND continuing problems in the back line. If AW chose (or was forced into the position of) not strengthening in midfield, then at the very least he had to or has to address is the problems in the back. Which he hasn’t.

    As it is, the only area of strength in our team is in the forward line — and they’re still not clinical enuf in front of goal to compensate for the midfield and defensive weaknesses. Nor to compensate for inevitable referee screw-ups.

    As I’ve said before, it’s like we’re having an extended pre-season where players are finding form and AW still doesn’t know his best XI. Even Clichy and Sagna are not at their best. Add to that the effect of the Euros on Cesc. As well as AW’s record of failure after major summer tournaments.

    I’m just hoping that AW will respond to these recent results with needed changes. I think the look on his face in recent interviews shows a man who’s very concerned about his team’s performances. Even after the Porto game he didn’t look as buoyant as he did last season after great results.

    I’m not saying we’re a bad team, far from it — we have an exceptional team and I do believe that they are capable of winning the league IF AW FINDS THE RIGHT TACTICS/FORMATION AND IF THE PLAYERS IMPROVE THEIR FORM. The question is, how long will it take them to find their form? Do we have the time for them to find it and still win the league?

  65. The problem, AIC, is that you are not crticising the team constructively you are just interspersing general negativity with little pops at the club.

  66. Frank,

    And that is why i made the point based on what i have seen so far.

    I also made the point that we would need to improve dramatically to win it.

    I think it is possible, and will celebrate as much as the next man if we do it, but i am not confident, based on what i have seen so far. (can i stress that point again!).

  67. NYmarcus, you are stuck in a groove.

  68. Matt, so you are not confident…so what?

  69. On a totally seperate point – did anyone see the Reserves last night?

    Poor first half, but Jack played really well again in the second, and decent performances from Randall and Coquelin.

    I also thought the right back looked solid – Ayling?

    Not heard of him before.

  70. Alex, I haven’t mentioned Cesc’s interview but yes, those comments did worry me. I too know Spanish and if his quotes are genuine, then we should be worried. Mind you, they’re not very different from what he’s said before, it’s just worrying given that two of his midfield partners are gone now and he talks about missing Hleb. My biggest worry is also that Cesc leaves and if we don’t win anything this season, I can’t see how it can be avoided much longer.

    As to our arguments in the summer….:-D well, I miss them too because at the time I was feeling better about the team than I do right now.

  71. Frank,

    I responded to your post, based on what you said responding to mine.

    I don’t mind if you care if i am confident or not, i was just expressing my opinion.

  72. Frank, you’re stuck in a groove too…tho I admit, yours is a better one than mine.

  73. Yep, I really like Mark Randall. Coquelin has something of the PV about him and has done since he arrived. Bischoff looks excellent…and Jack is just going to be fantastic.

  74. I’m glad we finally agree on something Frank.

    Randall seems to get some stick on numerous blogs, but i think he has the makings of a really good player.

    Bischoff looked good in a fairly quiet way – he did everything neat and tidily, although did run out of steam pretty quickly, which is understandable.

    Wilshere is just different class – i would go as far to say he is the best 16 year old i have seen in this country since Gazza.

  75. I think that Mark Randall was the MotM against Sheff Utd, Matt. Bischoff looks a few yards short of full fitness but looks very exciting…maybe Cesc will get a run for his money this season.

  76. NYMarcus,

    See, here we are again! Where have I said I disagree with you and Alex Ice Cream.

    I myself said I felt we needed either a strong defensive midfielder or dominant centre half bought in the summer sales. So is that disagreeing?

    No.

    I disagree with the constant negative tone. You see, I also wanted one of those signings but I won’t be harping on about it for the rest of the season. People agree with that problem, but we move on and go forward.

    It’s like Alex Ice Cream seems to think he is only one who feels we miss Flamini! That’s absurd, we all feel that way, but he’s bloody gone, so I won’t be mentioning his name any more than you can count on one hand this season, but you two, you might get round to the millionth time by the end of the international break!

    Wenger did not manage to make a signing! He wanted to, it did not happen. You say he did not try hard enough!

    How the hell do you know, I won’t be taking the liberty of suggesting he has not tried hard enough, when frankly I’ve no idea how hard he tried.

    What I do know, is he still could make it happen with the squad he has built, so I prefer to focus on that!

    That’s it, we don’t massively disagree, it’s just you won’t let things rest and keep attacking those that support Wenger to get it right!

    Well of course we do, he brought Sagna, Eduardo, Kolo, Clichy, Fabregas, RVP, Ade, Nasri and the rest all for bargain prices.

  77. Alex Ice Cream

    Frank,

    Do you bother to read my posts? If so, I cannot understand your answer. Pops at the club?

    The post above is in the context of what Cesc said (which I hope he didn’t obviously). If you are not worried about losing our best player that’s up to you.

    At least you have given an opinion though instead of your usual “I agree with x” post

  78. Alex Ice Cream,

    You’re worried about everything!

    Cesc stated his future was at Arsenal last week, I’m not going to get worried about every set of quotes published!

    I know you care mate and maybe you’ll give yourself a heart attack with all the stress but the rest of us don’t want one, so chill out!

  79. I agree with Danny.

  80. “keep attacking those that support Wenger to get it right!”

    Danny, this is a ludicrous comment. Where have I attacked anyone for supporting Arsene Wenger? Seems like you’re projecting something onto my comments that are just not there. I’m attacking those who scold and lecture and twist the intent and opinions of those of us who criticize, and who believe that we should be some kind of robotic Arsenal army all saying and thinking the exact same thing every day.

    I’ll concede your point about being “negative” in a lot of my posts recently. It’s an issue of perspective for me because I don’t think I’ve been as bad as others here are. Guys like PSB and solgooner are far more negative than I am. PSB has for months written off our chances of any trophies at all, I’ve never done that. I just can’t understand this inability to deal with critical posts on a regular basis. Sorry, I find it childish. It’s part of the blogosphere, there are far worse blogs where our club, manager and players are trashed in insulting, vicious posts every single day.

  81. If we all had the same opinion, it would be pretty boring wouldn’t it?

    But as long as the opinion is backed up with a degree of factual data, why does it have to be critiscised?

  82. NYMarcus,

    Agreed, of course there is! You have opinions, many are the same as my own.

    But transfer deadline day has gone, certain signings were not made! No one is over the moon about that, but can we just move on?

    Because the alternative, is raking over it till January and we would all surely prefer to talk about the relative merits of the squad and how with what we have, we can make a title challenge!

    As for the

    “keep attacking those that support Wenger to get it right!”

    That was a bit over the top as far as you and Alex Ice Cream are concerned, so I take it back and apologise. I hope it did not deflect you from the rest of my post!

  83. Alex Ice Cream, you always have these intricate arguments about what’s wrong with the team. I just love this new Flamini-Hleb meme.

    This prodigious talent who distinguished himself without the help of Alex and Mattieu is suddenly bad because they’re not there.

  84. No, Danny, of course it didn’t. I didn’t address the rest of your post, sorry, I write too many posts as it is, all of them long-winded. But you’re right, we are mostly in agreement. I agree that we need to move on, constantly mentioning the lack of signings can get incredibly boring.

  85. Critical = Censorious, fault-finding….OED definition. Pretty negative…I would also add ‘patronising’, but we can stick to the OED definition.

    With all the negative publicity from the press and media and so-called pundits, I would have thought that you people would want to piss out but sometimes you seem happier pissing in.

    btw AC referring to ground as ‘Dubaibury’ is in my opinion taking a pop at the club.

  86. NYMarcus,

    On the positive side, this summer he brought Samir Nasri to the club. A player known to everyone in Europe and somewhat a coup that we did not get embroiled into a bidding war for his services, because we seemed to have secured him at a bargain price.

    For some reason no one else wanted to take a gamble on him, I’m aware he had some difficulties with fitness the previous season, but something Wenger has done, has attracted the lad here.

    It’s yet another potential great signing, the closest we have come to replacing Pires and I am really hopeful he play a massive part this season.

    So in my mind, I’m going to have to focus on giving Wenger another tick!

  87. Here some other memes Ole Gunner….Denilson, Diaby and Song have the ability to be better than Flamini..Denilson is already passing him by. Cesc is not looking as effective because his name goes before him and the opposition shut him down more. Alex Hleb may have slowed the pace of the game down and although being a great dribbler was relatively ineffective in front of goal. Nasri has already proved to be more effective and we will see this demonstrated throughout the season. Bischoff may prove to be a useful understudy to Cesc.

  88. Alex Ice Cream

    Frank,

    I thought that you “would agree” with Danny.

    Dubaibury is a bit of a pop but only in the context of over officious stewards whose mission it is to kill any semblance of an atmosphere at the ground.

  89. Danny, you’ll get no argument from me about Nasri. I follow both the French national team and the French league regularly, have done so for years, and Nasri’s been one of my favorite players to watch for awhile now. I watched him (and Ben Arfa and Benzema) do brilliantly in the French national youth teams. I was very excited when I first heard that Nasri was coming to Arsenal and have praised AW many times for being able to prise him from Marseille. A lot of gooners don’t quite appreciate how difficult that was to do. I was so disappointed last season when Nasri was injured for so long because it meant I didn’t get to see him play very often. But that actually helped him stay off the radar in the transfer market.

    Frank, it’s funny seeing you diss anyone for being “patronizing” when that’s exactly the tone you consistently take toward me, AIC and any other gooner whose posts you don’t like.

  90. Well there I agree with you AIC. All petty officials are bas*ards and should be burned at the stake…without exception. You have to get rid of them root and branch becuse they grow back again.

  91. Alex Ice Cream

    Ole,

    My posts have been pretty postitive on the whole since the season started mixed in with some criticism.

    I am not saying that it is the only reason that Cesc has not been on his game but in the context of what Cesc said (supposedly) maybe it has affected him more than we thought it would do.

    I don’t think Denilson is the answer yet, nor Song but one of them or maybe Diaby needs to step up.

    Nasri looks great and needs to start now that he is fit and this will mean Cesc will have another ball player in midfield.

  92. Alex Ice Cream

    Frank,

    “I agree with you!”

  93. Alex, I think “Dubaibury” is rather funny. And complaints about over officious stewards are commonplace all over the PL, many club fans make the same complaints all the time, absolutely nothing wrong with it. Can’t understand this hysterical oversensitivity about a perfectly legitimate, commonplace complaint about how stadiums have become more and more heavyhanded toward fans.

  94. Yes NYMarcus I am being patronising…I am being critical of you too. But the issue is about negativity towards Arsenal

  95. I appreciate this blog for being very polished and optimistic most times.

    I also agree that posts with plain slander in the order of “wenger is shit” and the likes should be rapped in the head.

    But what I dont understand is that any criticism even if its valid is treated like a disease for this blog. Frankly its ridiculous!! I SUPPORT WENGER, but that does not make him or the team above criticism and scrutiny.

    I am neither a part of the “arsene knows” or the “arsene knows nothing” brigades. For me Arsene is just the manager of arsenal, neither is he a liability nor is he indispensible. I agree that he is the right man for the job at this moment in time, but that does not mean he knows everything.

    We must support him and the team yes, but that does not mean that everything is alright with the team.

    Alex ice cream, matt, NYMARCUS et al. keep up your realistic posts, I for one understand and appreciate it!!

    I myself have a mantra about wenger, it goes like this: Arsene knows……A LOT, BUT NOT EVERYTHING!

    By the way, I think there is something in the cesc story, I think its a very subtle and intelligent way of making his ambitions known to arsene and the club. He is not dumb like adebayor, and we should take good note of what he says!

    Man, the boy is holding the club together both on and off the field. He cant be treated as just another player, he is a once in a generation player and if he leaves believe me we are in DEEP TROUBLE!

    If he does leave, I have to say I will be bitterly disappointed, but I will NOT blame cesc, he has been a impeccable professional with A GREAT HEART. I say in the distant future we may be able to eventually replace CESC THE PLAYER, but we will find it almost impossible to replace CESC THE MAN.

    With his fillial ties I really couldnt see him staying with us past the age of 25, but it seems his time of leaving is closer than we think. If he stays for 3 more seasons I will be overjoyed, but if he does leave, I say we have only ourselves to blame with what has happened in the last 3 years!

    He is basically holding on for us to win something for him to have a reason to stay. The ball is very much in arsene’s court as far as cesc is concerned IMO.

    Anyway lets hope for the best!!

    Cheers!!

  96. We should call the stadium the Grove or Ashburton Grove. It will be there long after its sponsors have gone….unless they buy us of course.

  97. Alex Ice Cream

    Nymarcus

    I also find Dubaibury funny. Its boring that we agree so much these days!

    I also like it as it rhymes with Highbury, which I miss dearly.

  98. I have absolutely NO RESPECT for players who say they’ll leave if they don’t win trophies. F–king Thierry Henry said he left to Barca to win trophies after missing two sitters in the Champions League final.

    If Cesc wants trophies he better play through his skin in big games since he has the quality to make it happen. Stevie G. has much less quality than Cesc but he’s taken Liverpool to two trophies.

  99. Alex Ice Cream, NYmarcus,

    Are you two serious? You actually find “Dubaibury” funny?

    What, like every time you type it, you laugh out loud?

  100. FunGunner, Thanks Dude! Humbling compliment!

    I’m gonna surprise some of you, but If Cesc leaves so what? I am not a Cesc supporter (though he is great) but an Arsenal supporter! AIC were Viera, Henry, Bergkamp irreplacable? If they can be replaced so can Cesc. Look, he has been a part of the problem also – the team has failed, no one player.

    I again disagree with all the “miss this player and that player”, unless we are talking about emotionally. I’n my opinion (again) it has again been complacency, lack sharpeness in front of goal and this last match Arsenes decisions (undoubtedly). I dont see proof of missing Flamini – or is that only the case when we loose? did we miss him against Porto, Newcastle, Bolton? I cant get with that.

    Hey look at the positive side we lost two mathces against these lesser teams and we drew this last one, hopefullty we will improve to winning the next and so on.

    Another things is we flew out of the gates like Big Brown last season and could not sustain the fight, so why cant we this year reverse it? Yes we have not been great consistently but we have seen the damage we can cause when we put it together.

    We always step up for the likes of Chelsea, Man U etc

    gazzap, I have Arsenal for the title (you say fourth), well its not over to the fat lady sings and she isnt even warming up her voice at this point. Lets keep the faith!!!

    I’m excited about this season. yes, Arsene got ot wrong this weekend but he gets it right more oft than not. He will fix it!

    God Bless!!!

  101. Frank, a lot of gooners call the new stadium AG rather than the Emirates, and I much prefer it. I’ve never liked having Arsenal’s stadium called “the Emirates” for an airline. AG’s a much better name (and more stately, at that).

    Yes, Danny, I do think “Dubaibury” is funny on occasion. I don’t use it, but I have no problem with anyone who does. You’ll notice I don’t use nicknames/joke names like that against Wenger, our players, etc. I don’t like Ade but I never ever use names like “egobayor” etc. Tho it doesn’t bother me when others do. I used to get annoyed with sol’s “wengerspin” until he started using “wengerxxxx” which I found more annoying. Now I’ve just gotten used to sol’s name for our manager, I don’t even pay attention anymore. There are a lot of other, more serious things to get annoyed with.

  102. What on earth is Big Brown?….oh..oh I see..uuuurgh.

  103. “F–king Thierry Henry said he left to Barca to win trophies after missing two sitters in the Champions League final.”

    Did Titi actually say that? My understanding was that he said he was concerned about Arsene’s future at the club, and didn’t like the fact that Dein had left. Of course there were also his personal problems going on at the time which influenced his decision.

  104. NYMarcus,

    And there was me thinking you’re a pair of miserable sods!

  105. I wonder if AW is lining up Dennis to take over when he retires…or possibly Martin Keown..maybe Steve Bould. The Grimster might be a good choice.

  106. Surey not Tony Adams?

  107. Frank, you make me laugh man!

  108. …maybe Dennis Wise

  109. What annoys me is how the story about Arsenal changes every week. One week, they try to pass into the net. The next, they don’t like it up them. The next it’s the loss of one player or the other. The next is beacause they’re not English enough.

    Why does any evaluation of Arsenal have to fit these stupid cliche categories?

    Why does it seem to me like pundits and many Arsenal fans always strain to find faults. When Chelsea lose, they simply lost, when Arsenal lose it’s always overwhelming proof of something.

  110. Frank,

    Dennis may be stuck with a coaching role, I would imagine the demands of being a top club manager would make not flying, fatal to any career aspirations.

    Keown is an intelligent guy, is still involved in football but at a lower level. The jury is out, he certainly won’t have been the boss’s best pal when openly criticising Gallas, but he seemed to bite his tongue just before he said too much.

    Bould maybe! At the club, need to get him around the first team though. Especially with his defensive knowledge.

    Grimandi, another intelligent bloke, very abrasive as a player, made for it, but lets not forget he is not currently involved with coaching!

    Paddy says not interested! Although maybe he could be tempted, if Keane gets the United job. That would be great!

    Who the hell knows, better hang onto Arsene a bit longer!

  111. Ole,

    Spot on!

  112. Well done Danny, I had forgotten about Dennis’ problems with flying. I think we have another three or four years of AW at least..and I can’t see him stepping aside without having made all the arrangements for his replacement. Should be fun looking for signs..after we have won the Prem and CL though…actually make that after we have won the Prem and CL twice each.

    Oh and the FA Cup twice and the Carling Cup twice..no three times the third time with our under 16 side.

  113. Always been that way, Ole…but we like it like that don’t we? F*ck em thats what I say.

  114. “I again disagree with all the “miss this player and that player”, unless we are talking about emotionally. I’n my opinion (again) it has again been complacency, lack sharpeness in front of goal and this last match Arsenes decisions (undoubtedly). I dont see proof of missing Flamini – or is that only the case when we loose? did we miss him against Porto, Newcastle, Bolton? I cant get with that.”

    Good point Paul N. People don’t like change and it’s easy to look for a simple reason when things don’t go so well.

    As for Cesc’s comments, either he is scizophrenic or there is a certain amount of ‘spin’ being applied to what he said. In the meanwhile I will save my energy because worrying about what might happen would be a complete waste of time.

    And finally I agree with Frank!

  115. Agree with Passenal, we don’t miss any one and we never well. Last year we said we will be relegated because TH14 left us, and Ade picked up the 30 goal tap. Flamini is no “Superman” and he didn’t prevent us from losing games last year. It is a lame excuse to hang our problems on someone who is not there, or because we let so & so go.

    As far as Cesc, he is a very smart guy. He knows if he goes to Barca now, he will be on the bench because there is a couple of senior but not so old players ahead of him in midfield. He’s probably planning for two to three years from now, and who knows if Wenger will be even there by then. So no worries for me either.

    G4E

  116. I don’t expect AW to leave in 2011, when his contract runs out. He’s too obsessed with football and he couldn’t get the same kind of freedom he has at Arsenal if he went to another club. I also think he wants to see this team fulfill his amibtions for them. I think he’ll hang around for quite some time. His wife may divorce him, of course.

  117. I was listening to this podcast in which the hosts said we drew at Sunderland because we were missing Flamini.

    But God, that’s patently dumb. The problem wasn’t that we didn’t have defensive cover, or that we had no on to “free Cesc so he could push forward”.

    It’s that we had a lot of the ball and didn’t break down Sunderland. We didn’t score because our shape was wrong.

    It was a funny game in which the centre-backs weren’t even streaming into the box on most of the set-pieces.

  118. Home_By_Myself

    I miss your lies Flamini…..Sob
    I miss your goal drought Hleb……Moan

    I’m a pathetic loser, and I approve this message.

    Home Alone
    P.L.

  119. Ole, I agree with you about the double standards and blinkered reasoning when it come to Arsenal v. our rivals. It’s why I stopped listening to certain podcasts and stopped reading certain pundits. You would think that they’d have the same blinkered reasoning with Liverpool since they too are not one of the god-like, invincible top two, but that’s not the case. Pool don’t get slated the way we do.

    I agree too with your comments re the Sunderland game — to reduce that game’s problems with just Flamini’s absence is much too simplistic (which the media always shows when talking about Arsenal). However, I do think that we missed Flamini’s marshalling of the troops, harrying, leadership in midfield, and his energy.

    I can’t understand how people think that Flamini’s absense has had no effect when Cesc had developed such a fantastic partnership with him (and Hleb), making Cesc a more effective player and giving him more freedom. He may well develop an even more effective partnership with Denilson or Song, I hope he does.

  120. Good lord

  121. Ole Gunner, I agree with you, well it would seem so to me.

    Its funny how so much analysis goes into Arsenal more than any other team. The problem is always so deep and more than just the team selection or players getting it wrong. It has to be that we never bought anyone, we are too young, we miss Flam and Hleb and any other reason.

    Funny but I bet you most fearful Arsenal fans are saying to themselves that Man U wil soon get it together but will not see or say the same thing regarding the Gunners. Why do we doubt our team more than we do the others in the top four I cant understand?

    Proud to be Arsenal Fan!!!

  122. yet another incisive comment from Frank

  123. I could get with Arsenall missing the Flam’s leadership NY, now is the time for Cesc to take up that mantle!

  124. I was referring to the fellow before you, NYMarcus

  125. ok, Frank.

    Paul, of course! I think Cesc has more leadership qualities than Gallas.

  126. He think he may have been at his parents drinks cabinet

  127. Sorry..I think he may have been been at his parents drinks cabinet.

  128. I think that Cesc is too young for that role, if only because there is no sense in alienating WG at this point. Actually I think that Almunia would make a good captain….but I am happy to stick with WG at this point.

  129. He is not to young to be a leader, not necessarily the captain, just as Flamini wasnt. He can show leadership on the field when he senses that the team is not playing up to its potential. I wish all the players would do that, we all leadership qualities in one way or another, I believe!

  130. Our team just need to stop thinking its all about talent and style of play and get a fire lit under their tails. We need more passion, I think. Whoever has it, needs to bring it, even if its Wilshire.

  131. I think we have people taking responsibilities on the pitch ,Paul N e.g.Almunia, Gael Clichy, Cesc, WG, Kolo Toure. Up front I think that RvP talks to his team mates constantly.

    Do you mean leadership or self assurance?

    I don’t share your view of Mathieu Flamini btw, I think he was a work horse but not a leader. In style and ability I prefer Denilson, Song and Diaby.

  132. On Cesc and the captaincy,

    I have to go with him being too young, Wenger alluded to it the other day but I also read Cesc quotes saying he would not offer advice to Merida.

    In context, it was meant as in he would not offer advise to the youngsters like Vieira did to him, because he felt he was too young.

    I reckon his natural characteristics would mean he would be able to do some form of a job now, but we really ought to wait till he develops the confidence that comes with simply being older. He is not a natural leader in the John Terry mould so his age should be respected.

    Good point on Almunia, Frank. I’m not into keepers as captains but he has natural team-player feel about him, has grown in confidence and is definitely well-liked.

    On Gallas having the captaincy taken off him, I could only envisage this being done in one possible way, that would be if he was injured or suspended and Djourou was simply amazing forcing him to take a role on the bench. Djourou would have to be amazing, completely out of this world, I just can’t see it really.

  133. Can’t agree with you there Paul N..it is all about talent and style. I don’t think the players lacked passion on Saturday, perhaps a bit of tempo and a tad more sharpness, but those things will come.

  134. I agree with Danny. WG is here to stay unless circumstances dictate. If WG is injured then we should make Eboue captain…when he falls over the whole team should fall over too in unison. That should put the opposition and officilas off thir stride.

  135. No question Almunia has grown in confidence, and is showing some good signs of leadership. Cesc may be too young to be captain, what I’m talking about is the ability to “marshall” or “rally the troops”, wake everyone up — I do think Cesc can do that, as can Almunia. Loved how Almunia defended Djourou to Gallas and told Gallas to calm down early in the season (I’m spacing out on which game it was — West Brom, I think?)

  136. Flamini did seem to have some leadership qualities to me Frank. He was the kind of player shouting, organising or simply demanding more when were waiting for a corner to be taken against us.

    Paul N,

    Really like your comment about a fire being lit in them. Feel we lack a bit of passion, the levels are high but need to be bit higher to make special things happen. It’s like they need to pull together a little more.

    Someone said earlier we need a brawl at Old Trafford to get us going and that is too true. They love each other and they love the club, but they need the next gear. When our players get faced up to by opposition players, I want to see them all running over.

    Particularly, as a few of our lads are very young and small in stature.

  137. Frank, I agree we have played with fire at times but not consistenlty – we just need to bring it at all times.

  138. Oh and I totally agree that the team will get it together. We are in the same camp!

  139. NYMarcus,

    I agree Cesc could do the rallying the troops part, but that is only a small part.

    Could he get more out of Gallas, could he b@llock Kolo or Ade, I’m not so sure he is quite ready for that.

    Anyway, I would guess he is close, just not there yet!

  140. Interesting one the passion thing. I think we need to be unfazed by that stuff. We lost a CC fnal against Chelski because they deliberatley lit the fuse. We did not exactly keep our focus when we played the Mancs like that either. I think the key is tempo and sharper faster passing with a few more toe pokes, not so much leadership or passion. Of course we need all of those things in the right measure.

  141. Frank,

    I didn’t perceive that was why we lost the Carling Cup final.

    Agree wholeheartedly, about sharp fast passing at a high tempo. We sometimes start too conservatively and then lift our games when we are desperate.

    On the passion, there is just a bit missing. Vieira stood up to Gary Neville because he was kicking lumps out of Reyes. Well, Theo has been the victim of GBH this season and by now I would be a lot happier had I seen Ade, Kolo or Gallas get right in someone’s face for it.

    I suspect Theo would be too!

  142. So.. a bit more aggression…a bit more tempo and sharpness..a hint more leadership/self assurance thingy. I reckon they are all doable and probably develop as you get games under your belt. Looking good..lets look for the signs in the coming games…once the fu*ing, interwa*k blatter games are over.

  143. I agree with the opinion that we need a little bit of fire, or a little bit of raging desire to put the game and the three points away first, then do the flicks & tricks.

    For some reason or in some games, I feel that this young team puts the priority on playing the nice football, and the goals & points will come at any time. In some cases, this is not true specially when you go behind and start chasing the game.

    I personally talk a lot about how the invincibles used to put the game away in the first 30 minutes, then they keep passing the ball to death. This team needs to do just that. Put the “Freaking” game away first (Sorry Frank) 🙂

  144. Frank,

    Very much do-able. These are the things as you say can just evolve as teams and individuals grow.

    I’m still confident, I’m looking forward to first Diaby, then hopefully Rosicky and Eduardo returning! Diaby I am hoping might add a bit more drive to our play, but the lads just need to believe!

  145. I agree with Danny and Frank about the constant negativity. I don’t mean that concerns should never be expressed, but I don’t think they should be harped on. You can almost predict some contributions on here verbatim (not NYMarcus for obvious reasons…)

    I certainly disagree with the presumption displayed in some comments stating categorically that “Wenger should have done this…” or “should have done that”. For example do we really know better than Wenger if Nasri was fit to play the entire match?

    I do believe that the more some less thoughtful people read something, the truer it becomes for them and the more likely they are to spew it out at matches and the more likely it is to contribute to a general malaise. Which can never really help matters.

    It is funny also that Wenger was criticised for years for not having a plan b. But when things are experimented with, he doesn’t know his best 11 and should play 4-4-2 regardless of the opposition.

    I just want to be able to enjoy the team and the football we play (yes even this disastrous 1 point at Sunderland).

    For those who love to gnash their teeth and weep and wail there will be plenty of time for that come the end of the season……..or will there????

  146. Frank at 7:58 pm, thats what I’m talking about!

    Danny, what you wrote put a smile on my face! it seems that many of us have forgotten the players that are still to come. I’m hoping and praying that these players come back real soon. The potential of this team is off the charts!

  147. Danny, I think if any one needs to get in someone’s face it’s Walcott. He needs to show he is not a push-over, the fans would go nuts if he stood up to someone….after all they go nuts when he even loses the ball. I think it would put the referees & the opponents on the back foot if he does.

    He is still young though and doesn’t know how to use this to his advantage.

  148. Ian Dolent, I fully support Arsene but to me he got it wrong but its ok. As great as he is he is a man, prone to error. You say Nasri maybe wasnt fit, I say why not start him, kick the crap out the opposition and then make the sub to give him rest? Arsenal doesnt do the conservative thing too well and why against the likes of SUNDERLAND? that not cool!

    I am confident of the future though

  149. Yes G4E, I would love to see the players getting mixed up a little. Let teams knwo that we are not gonna take that kicking up crap! Get the adrenaline pumping!

  150. Ian Dolent, you are a star…and I think we should focus on delivering our talent and style do the talking. G4E..I remember watching the invincibles playing at Highbury and wondering whether we ever going to score…they did not often kill games off in the first half and often only in the last ten minutes. Some things do not change ..we are Arsenal after all.

  151. G4E,

    I think Walcott is starting to that a little more, he realises he has a profile and is being targetted, so as well as getting annoyed you will see him demand more protection of referees now, rather than just enquire.

    I like this, this is confidence and hopefully, he will take being hacked as a compliment and lift his game further.

    However, I still feel, teams should stick together, Vieira would not have stood for any ape kicking lumps out of Fabregas and the reaction of some of our older bigger players needs to be more obvious.

    It sets a standard, it tells opposition if you mess with him, you’re going to have to mess with us! It says we won’t be physically intimidated and of course it tells Theo, he has backing!

    I remember Ljungberg talking about winning the physical battle early on and the right to play. We don’t need to be out there fighting, but there are a couple of smaller players that have to know, we won’t allow them to be isolated! We might be up North, but we’re still going to ensure we let you play your own game.

  152. Frank are you telling me that Viera, Berkgamp, Lunjberg, Pires were not fiesty players? These dudes were up for the battle – I think you are misunderstanding what we are saying about passion, this does not negate how we play football but adds a sense of urgency to the game and lets the other team know they are in for a fight. Even if we dont kill teams off they need to know that the war is on.

  153. Sorry Paul N I am not sure what the connection between feisty and urgency is., and Pires was not a physical player at all. ..and Dennis was no more or less physical than RvP. I just don’t think we are losing the physical battles I don’t think we are being bullied..at the moment it is more about pace and tempo.

  154. I still think the Sunderland result was down to us being too cautious, both in team selection and how the team played. After the Hull game Arsene was trying to shore things up defensively, which in the end restricted us too much creatively. We just need to find the right balance and I’m sure that will come. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – this team is at it’s best when they play with the handbrake off.

  155. I agree with Passenal

  156. Frank, you make a statement that we should let our talent and style do the talking (I agree to an extent) but our most successful team to date played with passion, urgency and were fiesty (cover all the bases) along with that talent and style. What i am saying is that this team needs to add that fire. Not as far as fighting (physically) the opponent but standing up for themselves and letting the opposing team know its on. I am not singling out a single result, this is in general!

    Your argument is a bit off as the team you spoke about was no joke, be it physically or skill wise.

    If you get my point!

  157. I agree with Passenal also but we still need to add fight, regardless in my opnion!

  158. It would seem as if I never watched the invincibles play. No one on our current team is like those players in fight, skill yes but not how we approach the game. Flamini b4, and Alumina now but all others are lacking!

  159. We will be fine Paul N. Let us see what happens. Look these guys did well against Bolton and Blackburn…those sides have been difficult in the past. I am looking forward to the games against MU, C, L, AV, MC etc etc. My biggest fear for this season is the disruption of the internationals. btw did you know that the invincibles let in 42 goals and lost six games the season before they earned that title…still came second. PV spent most of the season in the stands having been sent off. Strange unpredictable game isn’t it?

    No-one gets an easy ride this season I reckon.

  160. I’m still hoping we’ll be the ones to end the chavs’ home record. And yes, I do think this team can do it.

  161. Frank, I do believe In this team and I love the fact that I am not the only one. I appreciate your optimisim, its been a breath of fresh air as many are overreacting in my opinion!

    I agree, that it will be something serious this season, With us coming out on top!!!

  162. Paul N,

    Agree in theory! Ability wise there is very little between this side and the invincibles! What set them apart is the whole package!

    They were better defensively, capable of matching physicalities with anyone, full of character and generally they played at a higher tempo.

    I do think they did also suffer the same dips with regards to tempo mind. When a side is as comfortable on the ball as ours are, sometimes the directness can just drop in their game.

    At their best the invincibles harried the opposition high up the pitch, stealing possession early and often in enemy territory. Obviously, Henry added cutting edge speed right through the middle too, counter attacks were totally thrilling to consume as a supporter.

    I think the invincible side realised how hard they had to work when they did not have the ball, this could also be improved in our side.

    Anyway, the Invincible side were history makers and as such will always be a harsh comparison. There are similarities but many differences, I would just love to see a bit of that spark. Remember, the constant bleating about our ill-discipline, there were elements of that, that were a flair side telling the opposition we can’t be picked on. This team, could send a similar message.

  163. Hey NYmarcus, I have the same feeling that we will end the Chel$ks home run, just as we were the last team to beat them at home.

  164. Paul N, we no longer get bullied and will fight to earn the right to play. None of the games we’ve lost this season are down to that in my opinion. Also, it seems really unfair to keep comparing this team to the invincibles. It’s apples and oranges as far as I am concerned. This team is just starting out whereas the invincibles were at their peak at the time of that unprecedented achievement (with many a slip between cup and lip). I believe this team will make their own history if the fans and the players have the patience to let it happen organically rather than trying to force things with this unrealistic ‘three years without a trophy, we must win something’ mentality. If we could just relax and let our football do the talking, I’m convinced the silverware will naturally follow.

  165. This team and the invincibles are like chalk and cheese. They let less goals in and each individual is technically better. The invincibles were great on the break. This team are inching their way to total football. 2 steps forward one step back.

  166. Sorry doesn’t read well…I mean that this team is technically better than the invincibles and let less goals in

  167. Passenal,

    It is not that we have been bullied, but really we’re just looking for a determination to impart our own game on the opposition. At times that can be aided by strength and unity, that we could just see a bit more of.

    This started out, by simply saying if Theo is going to be constantly kicked by some lump, some of our bigger lads should get over for a word.

    It’s a display of team ethic. The kind of unity, that the Invincibles had. To battle together and protect their own.

    As a team we have not been bullied, but there have certainly been attempts to bully Theo. I feel Billy G has not jumped in where Paddy would have, it’s not a massive critcism, just an area that will develop as the side grow.

  168. Thats it Danny! maybe I just couldnt find the right words

    Passanel if you read the previous comments, it was not I who started this comparison to the Invincibles however when you talk about determination you can compare any team to any as it has nothing to do with skill but determination. Look we looked flat as hell against Fulhman and Hull, no one can deny that. So there must be something that is lacking and to me it is getting ready to play with fire in your eyes.

    Anyway Danny has eloquently said what I was trying to say!

  169. We usually are up for the big games but are found wanting badly against teams we should beat. We will get it together for sure!

  170. Phew. What a lot of posts. Where’s all the love in the world ? And where’s Mia ? We need a mediator like they have at the Grove, actually, at least 2 mediators, who at the sign of any conflict delete the posts….. only joking.

    NYMarcus is right. If you want to see negativity, go and visit other blogs. You will see a vicious undercurrent of morons who are living proof that man can live without a brain. Where does this negativity lead at the end of the day has to be the question ? Ok… let’s get Wenger out followed by 6 or so signings. A big hefty CB, a couple of international midfielders, an internationally recognised goalkeeper and a replacement for Adebyewhore. Tactics.. forget about all this technique and finesse… stick the boot in my son.. solid defence like the good old days with the famous back 4 (yeah the one where we got stuffed and outclassed by Barcelona 4-2 on european night in the early days of Wenger’s tenure).

    But you are twisting it they say… we are talking about adding to the quality we already have and finding an Henry, a Pires, a Vieira. Well… who found these guys in the first place ? The king is dead, long live the king.. life moves on. Wenger now has the 3rd generation of players and the 4th are behind them with the likes of Merida, Coquelin, Ramsey, Nordtveit, Sunu, Wilshere et al.

    If you want to be negative, like, everything is shit and the sun is not going to come up, then take prozac. If you want to be hypercritical and point out tactical weaknesses and imbalances in the team, then fine….. unless you simply believe that Wenger sends a team out at random and the players run about like chickens at a farm ? There is a fine line with some bloggers. They make the point and they acknowledge that they point out these things and they are not criticising Wenger, just debating alternatives. Some though, seem to believe that Wenger just didn’t see it and doesn’t see it to the extent that he is incapable of deciding about things like a midifield balance and formation. For christ’s sake, this guy was probably thinking about the midfield balance 3 months ago after the departures of Hleb and Flamini. Do you think he won 2 doubles by accident ?

    The other point is that this is not a negative forum. There are one or two contributors who are negative, but they serve to remind me, like my big wart on my toe, the beauty of everything else around. Leave them be.
    I’

  171. ole gunner

    your post 11.30.. this could be solved by playing theo upfront!! why doesnt wenger have the balls to play him there! it is so fustrating!!!!

  172. The point is well made that Wenger, whilst French comes from the Alsace region, historically coveted and annexed by the Germans for its coalfields. He is seen as less French and more Germanic in his approach – a love for artistic beautiful football balanced by a pragmatism and systematic efficiency.

    Wenger has won his doubles by combining the sublime technical ability of the Bergkamps and Pires with the steel and passion and running power of the Vieras, parlours, Ljungbergs and Adams (and all could play football too)

    Wenger knows what is required to win the PL – he knows how important this pragmatic balance is yet in my opinion we have seen this experiment where each year the team gets younger and the play more intricate. It is a thing of beauty to behold when executed well – but like a finely balanced swiss watch – a tiny disturbance to the mechanism throws it all out of kilter. All great teams have a solid core and ruthlessness – the iron fist in the velvet glove.

    To me, this team lacks balance and an ability to grind out the results on difficult days when either through ones own off-colour, injuries or the oppositions refusal to come out and play, as did Sunderland. It is then the ultimate churlishness on Wengers part to scold them for not doing so. We live in a pragmatic world – Sunderland were doing that.

  173. One of the fatal flaws to Wengers almost total pursuit of team development through youth is that once they break through, he now cannot seem to hold them due to wage disparity.

    Cesc will leave in the next season or two also and we will have wasted the 4 good years we had of him by partnering him with Eboue

  174. The comparison between this team & the invincibles is based on comparing this team to the last successful team we had. We are not asking them to be the Invincibles, at least not for now since they’re much younger and less experienced.

    What we are asking and it will come by time, is this team should understand that the most important thing is to bag the three points, not to play beautiful football the whole game and then lose it. Are they being coached that way, or are they being told to go out enjoy their football and forget about the rest?

    I have no doubt most of the fans would’ve been happy if we played like crap, but came back with the three points. If you can’t play fancy football & win the three points, then just win the three points.
    ===

    Like I said after Sunderland, the team played with the fear of losing a second game in a raw…but if they were ruthless enough, and full of confidence with a greater desire to win….we had all the players we need on the field to win the game.

    It’s good to discuss and try to find out what we can do better in the future, but sometimes over analyzing can have the opposite effect. We are still in the title race, and there is a long long way to go yet.

  175. One of the major differences between this team and the Invincibles is ‘belief’. In 2003/04 the team had total belief in winning against anyone. After the defeat against Manure that belief faded and they then had a poor run of games.
    This team has still to get that level of belief in themselves as a team.