Injury Catch Up And Terry Neill’s A Good Bloke

International week seems to have passed off peacefully as far as injuries are concerned with Arsene  reporting that no-one is reported injured although the news that Bacary Sagna is out for at least three weeks is not good at all given that he has been the most consistent defender all season. Presumably, it leaves Arsene with two options; either drop Eboue into the Right Back slot and bring Walcott into Right Midfield or simply swap Sagna for Hoyte and leave the rest of the team alone. With five games in the next fourteen days, there is likely to be a mix and match on the approach he takes with the defence and midfield getting a fair bit of rotation.

It will mean opportunities for players such as Gilberto to play a few times before the end of the season. The Brazilian kept up the mantra of still being able to win the league, which whilst it is true, it is also exceptionally difficult. The thought crossed my tiny little mind as to how much of this is trying to convince themselves that it is still possible and how much is belief. Bolton will give a good indication of that.

Of course, if he comes in, then the hardest working midfielder without a new contract  anywhere in western Europe, AKA Mathieu Flamini, who received that “accolade” in a recently conducted poll, will get a well-earned rest for a game. Flamini said before the international against England that his Agent was talking to Arsenal which is more than Joseba Diaz will be doing on Cesc’s behalf at any time in the near future with reports emanating from Spain that the two have come to a parting of the ways, allegedly over Cesc’s desire to remain at Arsenal. Depending on which paper you read, Real and Barcelona are ‘greatly encouraged’ by the ‘news’. That this qualifies as ‘news’ is an indication of how quiet the week has been but at least we know that the summer ahead is going to be another one of ‘Cesc to Barcelona / Real Madrid’ and this is the basis of it.

Recent criticism of Arsene being impregnable in various quarters was going to bring forth a rebuke yesterday from myself but alas working time encroached from before dawn ‘til after dusk and in the meantime, Terry Neill did the job for me.

What I believe must happen – and, indeed, believe will happen – is Arsene will now transfer the responsibility to his players. It is time for each individual in the squad to ask himself ‘what am I going to do about it?’

Part of the frustration is that Arsene has not spent his ‘war chest’ and with the current dip in form, people question the wisdom of not doing so. It is of course, an unanswerable question because even if he had spent the money, there are several issues to be answered; firstly, would we be in the top three? Would the ‘new’ players make any difference now? Would they have been able to halt the dip in form? The answer is that you will never know. Neill agrees with this,

The strength in depth of our squad is not as good as Chelsea and Manchester United’s – that is a fair comment. But we are looking long-term here and, let’s be honest, at the start of the season if you’d told the average fan we’d still be in the race for the title with seven games to go they’d have been delighted.

On that one, Neill is correct; looking back at the pre-season comments left by you all, there is a fair smattering of the ‘we will win it’ optimism but the undercurrent was that the expectation was for a top three finish and being a lot closer than we had been in previous years. The gap in points ought to be smaller but that depends on the players winning their matches otherwise it will be double digits.

To measure the progress on that alone is misleading for whilst the history books show the statistics, the truth is that in the past two seasons, there has been no realistic title challenge. The team have learnt harshly that the season does not finish in February and that consistency post-Christmas ends with the glory.

As to Arsenal being impregnable at the club, I do not think that is the case. What you have is a manager who has told the Board of his long term plan and it was sound enough for them to buy into it. It also highlights the collective strength of character of the Directors that they are backing him to the hilt to see the project through. Or as Neill put it,

Arsene’s is a long-term project that will, eventually, bear fruit. It is easy to spend money and be reckless but that is not the Arsene way or the Arsenal way – and, for me, that is definitely the correct way to do things. If Roman Abramovich was to pull the plug on his little toy – Chelsea – they’d be in a horrendous financial position. People don’t fully appreciate the debt Manchester United have taken on.

This does not mean Wenger is impregnable as one commenter put it. If the club went into decline, he would be under pressure from the Board to rectify that although if you go by his comments last summer, he would fall on his sword before he was pushed. All successful clubs have dominant managers. It is no coincidence that before the 1990s Liverpool had a stable management position with succession planning making for a smooth transition. United have been successful with the same manager. They have stood by Ferguson through a transition because of his previous success and the Arsenal Board are doing the same with Wenger. Is that so wrong?

‘til Tomorrow.

Posted on March 28, 2008, in Arsenal, Champions League, Football, Premier League, Premiership, Soccer, Transfer Gossip and tagged , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 209 Comments.

  1. Of course not, and anyone that suggests any different simply isn’t thinking long-term. Wenger has a strategy that’s starting to pay off. Young players tend to improve season on season. They all know they’re part of a big plan. Success will come.

    Everyone seem to forget how insane football is becoming, money-wise.

    The spending by Man Utd is not sustainable. Chelsea is kind of an anomaly that no club should aspire to. People shouldn’t look to those clubs for examples of what Arsenal should be doing – if anything, it should be the other way around.

  2. What about bringing Senderos in alongside Gallas and moving Toure to right back?

  3. perfectly agree with YW and Big Al, it just shud be the other way round in terms of learning how to run business…like i said in the previous post, if we wer to spend so much so easily…we wont be “The Arsenal” we r today…And very gud point abt whether the new bought players wud have done well in the first season itself…and if they hadnt we wud always have ppl running for excuses like “its only his first season”…drogba took over a season to be in the form he is now, how can we be so much sure of any new player…and abt anelka…wenger himself says he doesnt buy back players who have left the club once…so no confusion on tht…
    hope the boys just concentrate on getting back to winning ways…adn dont worry abt winning/losing the title now.

  4. No Yogi, nothing wrong with that at all. In fact I recommend the board for standing behind him and not getting scared of some ugly media and sadly some fans. The wrong comes from the impatient fans who only care about their own happiness and the desire to brag “Look who did we bought today? A Super Duper Star”.

    I ask the people who are attacking Wenger and giving Man United as an example of success. Why didn’t they attack Fergie when he didn’t win nothing for three years? Because they knew he was building a new team even with all the ready made players. They knew his past and that he is capable of winning again……….Not sure why people don’t want to give Wenger the same chance?

    G4E

  5. I suppose its time to answer the questions no one else wants too .. It is the ETHAN way …
    ———————————————————
    firstly, would we be in the top three?YES
    we have never been out of the top 4 .. so go figure!

    Would the ‘new’ players make any difference now?
    If arsene picked them the answer would also be a big YES

    Would they have been able to halt the dip in form?
    Quite possibly depending who was purchased ,
    I would say definitely if we got another solid defender and a class striker included within the new personnel!

    If Roman Abramovich was to pull the plug on his little toy – Chelsea – they’d be in a horrendous financial position.

    I dont think so, abrimovic has spent 578 Mil on chevski . and im sure he would of got a buyer who would pay more that the above figure to balance the books .

    Also why would he ? Andif he sold all his players that he currently owns and replaced them with virtual unknowns (the arsenal way)
    he would re-coupe a fair slab of that money !
    players are a huge asset and selling drogs anelka lamard terry essien would get him well over 100 mil alone ! When talking about buying players the money doesn’t simply disappear ! players are assets ! Whilst they are managed correctly they will remain so ! .
    And as for Man U , they have Up graded , taken a
    business loan out like all big businesses do if they want to get bigger , and with correct management
    it wont fail ! They are in every big competition, and god knows what prize money you get for finishing the league 1st every season but im sure we wont see them going into bankruptcy any time soon !

  6. Cases in point-

    Senderos, Fabregas (before injury), RVP (before injury), Song, Ade, Flamini, Clichy – even Walcott have all been markedly better than they were last season.

    Song and Senderos were (rightly or wrongly) club jokes this time last year – look at them now and try and deny their progress

    The only worries are the fringe players – the likes of Traore, J. Hoyte and Diaby don’t look up to snuff. But according to all accounts there’s a whole generation of talented youngsters, many of whom are English, about to break through.

  7. Big Al – I 100% agree with what you say
    Yogis warrior – The dropping of eboue to RB and Theo in to right wing is the way forward
    And just one thought of my own to team changes how about dropping Ade and give Bendtner a start?

  8. As for sagna out , eboue will be moved back into the role giving theo a birth ! ill bet my bottom dollar on that one !

    hoorray !

  9. I totally agree with how wenger’s vision works and is slowly coming to fruition, BUT having said that I still felt the squad was always too thin before the season started. I talked about it all summer long and I am not in the slightest bit surprised that in March the lack of depth has told.
    Now I dont know whether wenger could have bought another one or two youngish (21?) players in to reduce that problem but I do know he has had a lot of money to spend and could have brought in at least 1 big player – God knows several big players (or their agents) were quoted as saying they would like to join a club like Arsenal, but the transfers never materialsed.

    Its true you can never guarenteee that that player will be a success or not get injured. But if wenger had covered his bases and then things dont work out then what fan can possibly criticise him? I just think wenger could have prepared for this season better and had he done so I would not complain regardless of what trophies we’d won or not won.
    If we were poor, then again you can accept it but its the feeling that we are 95% of the way there adn then we shoot ourselves in the foot.

  10. big al .. what do you know about the sustainability of ManU/Chelsea biz models??

    do you have any insight into their books??

    as for Chelsea’s bloodsucker, why would he pull the plug on his toy?

    what do you reckon he enjoys more .. his position at Chelsea or his governorship of some obscure Siberian province??

    why does everybody think that the Arsenl way, whatever it is, is the right one??

    clearly results wise it is not

    and I would suggest that we need a Dein type character as an addtitional power pole to Wenger..

    Ferguson does not decide everything at ManU .. Weger seems to be in total control right now

    dont forget that the guy who brought Wenger to this club, ie Dein, and therefore as we would all agree, showed great vision has different views to the people who are running the club right now

    and please dont give me the bullshit that Dein is a self centered money making dragon .. Dein wants Arsenal to win .. something that we are struggling to achieve these days

  11. gazzap – I know, it’s a pain in the hole. But the good news is that it’s progress, movement in the right direction and common sense says that it’ll be better next season – It’s not wishful thinking.

    Provided Wenger keeps the squad together (deadwood Eboue, Gilberto and Lehmann excepted) and makes a couple of useful, squad-ready signings we should be unstoppable next season.

    This season has been a great learning process – we’ve really got to grips with the teams that try to stop us playing. The players that don’t seem mentally tough at this point are learning exactly what you need to win the league.

    The last few weeks will be analyzed and fed back to the players in the close season. I’m not just looking forward to August – there’s still plenty to go for now if we can sort ourselves out.

  12. Plan for the season better..???!

    lets look at our squad at the start of the season…

    GK… Lehmann, Almunia, Fabianski

    DF… Eboue, Sagna, Hoyte, Toure, Gallas, Senderos, Clichy, Traore, Djourou, Song

    MF… Cesc, Flamini, Diaby, Rosicky, Hleb, Denilson, Gilberto, Song + Walcott + Eboue can play MF.. also Gibbs, Randall, Diarra

    FW.. RvP, Ade, Bendner, Eduardo, + Theo can play

    Spot a position where we were lackin cover.. Wenger planned for the season better than any other manager.. we have all styles of strikers, playmakers.. if it wasnt for injuries we wuld be laughin..

    so stop bitchin people.. Wenger is #1.. u think a manager who is less scared to spend more money will do a betta job!!..?? u must be a muppet to think that

  13. . u think a manager who is less scared to spend more money will do a betta job!!..?? u must be a muppet to think that

    you must be more of a muppet to think its been successful also !

    Yes we have made progress but so has other clubs,
    spurs have got a good manager now, man City will keep spending as shittywarta has already stated then you have the liverpool and everton threats ..
    Not to mention aston villa etc who are up and coming also .. We have simply not made enough progress Vs the statue of our club !

    The sooner most stand up and admit it the sooner we can motor forward !

    And the only puppets – muppets i see are supporters who are happy that we entrenched FIRMLY as a 3rd or 4th place run getters !

    Im sure aston villa are also praying for a better season next season ? is that how your blind eye supporters think ?

    We have supported this rebuild for the past 3 years now … Its time some questions are asked of this form of management , as it clearly isnt making us go FORWARD .. buoyant or stable is more like prototype i think your looking for to term it simply !

  14. Chris. Lehmann finished Gilberto ditto, Hoyte average at best. Traore useless defensively, Djouru has lost his edge due to injury lack of games, are you off your rocker DIARRA HAS LEFT THE BUILDING, Diably has gone back wards, Rosicky and RVP permanenlty injured, Eduardo out till next year.So thats why we nned a stronger squad. Gibbs and Randall are not setting the world on fire in their loan spells, and Bentdner is not as good as he thinks he is. Compare your squad names with Manu and you will see the difference in depth

  15. Yogi just tell me how long does the transition period last? it cant go on for ever

  16. Chris, the wing positions spring to mind. eboue has not proved to be a good enough winger. he offers no goal threat and his passing at times is woeful not to mention his cheating.
    Diaby on the other wing is not a winger. why are these players asked to play on the wing? because we dont have enough proper wingers.
    Hleb and Ros are both central players. the former has to play every game so has ended up knackered and thus has reduced his effectiveness at the most crucial time of the season. the latter has always been injury prone. we knew that last summer. a decent bit of cover should have been bought so that Diaby and Cesc etc did not have to play on the wing.

    We have strong full backs, excellent central midfielders and good strikers. I also think the goalkeeping situation is fine. thats what I mean by 95% of the way there. I always thought that we were one winger short coming into the season. thats all. its not a lot but it could have made a huge difference.

    A lot of the players you mention have not been trusted enough by wenger to actually play games in the first team in PL games. if wenger will not use them then you cannot count them. that is why Fabregas plays every game, because wenger does not trust anyone else to do his job.

    I happen to think we will be even better next season. along with other people I always expected 2008-09 to be our first realistic chance of the title. I still feel we let this season go unneccessarily and you cant afford to throw a season away, us fans pay too much money for that and when there is £70m sitting there its gauling to feel we were almost there.

    for next season I would sell Rosicky and buy a goalscoring winger as well as welcome Vela. As long as keep Flamini, I think we will have enough to go for the title.

  17. ethan – You must be kidding. We’re one point behind Chelsea. We beat them at home, and lost narrowly away.

    We’re progressing very comfortably.

    2006 – We got to the CL on the last day.
    2007 – Comfy CL qualification, level with ‘pool on points.
    2008 – 2 losses all season, well ahead of ‘pool and closer to the title than 3 previous seasons (at this point).

    Reasons we’re not on top now –

    Injuries that could never have been accounted for, all affecting on-form players and crucial times – Fab, Hleb, RvP, Dudu etc.

    Petulance from Diarra (what the hell was his problem?!). Valuable squad player gone.

    Some ridiculous decisions in recent weeks – Offsides not called, offsides called wrongly, penalties not given, penalties awarded wrongly.
    You need these things to go your way when the team’s down. And every side . Manu and Chelski included have had rough patches this season.

    There’s nothing blind-eye about that. It’s actually more myopic to look at the progress that’s happened so far and deny that it’s very likely to continue.

  18. gazzap .. tell me who will wanna buy Rosicky??

  19. Gazzap who says there is 70 million sitting there its just paper talk, we will have ample funds by the end of the year as all the flats are sold and the bank loan will be reduced, but I believ pat of the bond isssue was we had to have 35 milion in reserve and a nett transfer spend of 9 million, Diably is a waste of time playing out of position and cannot be anothef Flamini, I pin my hope on Song and Vela eventually, do you think Traore can make it? thats why Gallas is cover at LB and Song or Senderos can play CB lets finally give Song a chance agaisnt Bolton

  20. sol goon

    It should be a lot quicker than 3 years ..
    look at the transition spurs have made with little additions to their personnel ! and in 6 months …

    It proves that this youth idea takes alot longer than 3 years to manifest ! And we have the dearest tickets in the EPL too boot !
    I think the fans should be livid currently !!!

    Great we have cemented 3rd spot this season .
    but is it really better than last season …

    our gap between the top 2 is still the same distance as last seasons , they have the quality to
    finish strong .. they can put the foot down and it seems at will pass us when the pressure is on !

    Our squad is too thin and still haven’t learned any lessons from last seasons down fall ! people say its a lot tighter this year we aren’t 20 points off the leaders , well we ain’t finished the season yet either ! If we continue this downward spiral we ‘might’ be in exactly the same position as last season !

    But then im sure the arsene knows best brigade will conjure up another ‘feel good vivb ‘ to mask the problems !

  21. The way i see it there are 2 major voices in the arsenal supporters. One camp are mainly critics of arsene who have basically one major complaint. We dont look like winning anything. I understand that. The last 2 plus years trophyless is irritating to say the least. The same camp is desperate to win something major at any cost.

    The other camp is willing to wait, has faith in arsene not only knowing that the trophies will be won but that they will be done in the most decent and beautiful ways possible. As far as i can see Wenger sticks with his young guns not just for the fact that the team costs less but also because a young team will follow his style of play more readily. If we were a team in the spanish league Wenger would have been a god by now.But really the problem is Wenger spoiled us with trophies in his first 6 years of his reign or so. Now we want them more than ever. But whatever both camps cringe about it will not change the way wenger works or the fact that most arsenal fans wish him to be there for as a long time as possible.

    Being a die hard pure football freak myself rather than a plain glory seeker i will always be in awe of wenger for the conviction he has in his beliefs. I also will try making a point to the glory seekers that ajax total football is more clearly remembered than the trophies they won which were quite a few i believe.

  22. well said,

    there’s no point getting carried away,

    let’s take stock and make any decisions in the cold light of day

  23. didn’t Inter come sniffing around for Ros in January? there would always someone who would take him though I dont think we’d get that much for him. he is not that old though, so I still reckon we’d get 4m for him. we paid 8m I think. freddie went for 5m didn’t he?

    sol, PHW said last summer we had ample funds to purchase players but it was wengers choice not to. I understand it was £40m that we had last summer but I am only saying we needed to spend £15m and we certainly had that.

  24. sol, who knows about Traore. he really has gone backwards this season and I heard stories that he has a party lifestyle. if he does not knuckle down then wenger wont want him at Arsenal anyway. should he go, you feel AW will replace him with another young player. that might be the way to go in the summer or AW might give him another year to prove himself, or indeed go on loan.
    at the moment the realistic cover for Clichy is Gallas.

  25. maybe Inter came sniffing .. but surely his latest unknown injury will cool that interest off..wouldnt you think so??

    nothing against the poor bloke, but he was already a part timer at Dortmund .. and now he has turned into less than a part timer here

    I would love to see Hleb go .. I dont think he brings anything to the team and unless we have a TH14 type prolific forward, which we are unlikely to have in the foreseeable future, then Hleb is def a big time luxury player that we should replace with a goal scoring guy

    he would fetch some good dosh too ..

  26. Gazzap.

    Wouldnt you rather the stadium debt be repaid so the ticket prices come down sooner? Do you really think the club is just trying to garner money or for the fact that we have a lovely stadium to be paid for? Also dont you agree that we will be relieved of the debt faster than manu or chelski? The 70 million available also means we are in a stronger position if a takeover attempt comes along. I know most fans wont notice it but we do have more problems currently than just being trophyless.

  27. The problem with the squad this year is that they started so well, were 5 points clear at the top, and then threw it all away. If you start with low expectations and then overachieve expectations will be raised (rightly or wrongly). Even for this injury hit squad we were well clear at the top with injuries to key players. However, no squad can maintain the grind of the PL with injuries and without rotation of players to keep some fresh. The quality is not there for rotation so key people got worn down with the inevitable dip in form the result. It is understandable for people to be upset with the team despite all the injuries. There are no guarantees in sport. People can say “next year it will all come together” every year for eternity but the fact is you must take your chances when they appear. This year’s squad seems to have been found lacking. I fully expect next year’s squad to be better and stronger no matter who the personnel are but luck plays a big role in winning the PL and sometimes it doesn’t matter how strong the squad is. The bottom line as I see it is that when there is opportunity you take your shot and we will likely come up short this year. Am I upset? Yes. Do I understand why it didn’t happen? I would like to think so. Am I confident for next year? Absolutely! But sometimes the best team doesn’t win and there is nothing to be done about it.

  28. Gallas, Rosicky, Hleb, Eduardo, Adebayor have all been acquired in the last 2-3 seasons. Of the big signings this year: Malouda, Torres, Mascherano, Tevez, Anderson, Nani, Bale, Hutton Anelka? Some maybe but prices to match.

    Dein was the reason the reason the club’s wage bill had got to unmanagable levels £70,000 a week for Freddie!

    As for the club I don’t think there is anyone there with a deep understanding of football Edelman certainly doesn’t he is a retailer and has stepped into Dein’s football politics role, his stamp is all over the club trying to patent the term gooner and happily boasting the club has the highest ticket prices in world football. I think the club would struggle to replace Wenger or know who to approach.

  29. vivb .. Feddie’s wage bill was expensive and his injuries had taken their toll on him
    but he was a fukking winner .. he scored fukking goals .. unlike Hleb/Rosicky .. come on give me 10 Freddies in their prime over these two former Bundesliga 1/2 achievers!!
    lets be realistic

  30. agree to watever gooner85 said….if dein hadnt left, if we still wr in highbury, if henry had stayed….who knows we could have ended up just like last season…i bet we wud have…then ther wudnt have been any star striker signing but obviously we wud have needed it…

    my point is….the move to a new stadium coupled with the squad transformation has hindered the progress…no doubt abt it…

    Dein left the club over differences in opinion over the money that the club needs to pace itself in the competitive transfer market….but his approach to the problem was different…takeover…
    wenger and others are taking a different approach for the same cause….make more money…and still nt sell away…..i am sure in the next season the urgency for a trophy wud be much much more with the manager than the fans….

    and how close we r(or wer) this season…it hurts…but u know…it happens…(only if dudu wasnt injured)…
    keep the faith…

  31. having that £70m in the bank does not make us less at risk of a takeover it makes us more of a risk. someone like usmanov will be slobbering with delight if he can take over the club when it has that sort of cash in the bank because HE would take the cash. Remember he only needs to buy the shares, not the cash in the bank as well. If he gets overall control of the club via offering the exsiting shareholders what they want, then he can decide to take that £70m as dividends for his back pocket.

    If we spend it then the money has gone into things like players/wages. that money cannot be re-couped directly. however, I happen to beleive a 15m investment in a good winger would have reaped benefits because I beleive thats all we needed to win the title or CL. if we win either of those two trophies, the prize and TV money you get would next season would more than pay for a 15m player. If Man u win either of them this season, then they have effectively paid for Anderson and Nani that they bought last summer.

    As I say, even if we still had not won a trophy, 15m does not break the bank does it, especially when you know you have £100m coming from flat sales in August.

  32. Gooner 85 the only debt being repaid soon is the loan for the apartment project and the 50 million bond which will all go by next year the balance is on a 25 year morgage at around 15 million a year which is easily obtained out of current revenue, ticket prices will never come down regardless.

  33. Gazzap fatso could not get hold of the 70 million unless he paid off all the other debt, there are stict conditions made for the stadium loan. I agree with you a good winger plus Vela will help, our main problems is that the second tier are not good enogh to give first team players any kind of rest

  34. i always find the comment “next season” this player will be better etc. The season ends in May and starts in August again. In those three months, traore, hoyte, djourou, bendtner, diaby, denilson, gilberto, eboue, song etc are not going to suddenly going to become top premiership quality players. ain’t gonna happen, it would be utter stupidity to think that the same squad with the above players playing only the odd games would be able to make that leap to winning the league.

    we have seen improvements no doubt, but how big we don’t know yet. if we end up 12/15 points behind the champions which is i think is likely and go out against liverpool, then the progress isn’t that great. we would have done worse in the domestic cups with no final and even though we would have been involved in the championship race until march, it still isn’t good enough considering the resources the club have at their disposal.

  35. the second lot are completely average, which is why wenger never plays them, unless forced to. not sure how any one can deny that, when you look at wenge’rs team selections this season. he is selling the fans an idea that even he doesn’t believe in and most are just lapping it up.

  36. to be winners ,winning must become a habit !
    thats what winners do ! ..

    listening to the description of gooner85, its rather sickening the slant he has on our great club !

    He would rather flit around never winning squat !
    but marvel at soaring ticket prices and watching very average players, PLAY . wishing on a prayer that one day something MIGHT happen ! … Well all i can say is i hope you have taken your vitamins and plan on living a very long life ! With that attitude and watching all the other clubs this season making leaps and bounds you might fool yourself by thinking we are closer to the leaders this season , but look in the other direction .. lower clubs are gaining also ! …
    Soon the playing field will even out and don’t think that other investors who can come in like these Russian billionaires that are coming out of the woodwork wont soon take over the fulham’s and wigan’s and make them power houses in 1 or 2 short seasons !

    These plans had better work soon for arsene ,because your primeval thoughts of purist footballing days are gone ! Im sure we will get another club or 2 in the next season taken over by big investors !
    None of you know what is around the corner so you just wait for eternity gooner85, or rather as you put it ‘they will be done in the most decent and beautiful ways possible’ whilst the romanov’s of this world will make the wigan’s of this world
    top 4 contenders within 1 or 2 seasons ! ..

    Time is running out !!!

  37. The sooner a big investor comes in and gets these clowns out of their chairs the better ! Yes they are running it like a business , but remember its a football club , with fans , passionate fans who want there club to succeed ! Not say next season ! every season !..

    Sure id go as far as to say we havent got any worse!
    and considering alot of clubs have gotten better personnel this season , im sure that means we are still rising with the natural curve !
    But if i was an investor i would buy a Birmingham or some other cellar EPL survivor as cheaply as i could and make them winners , providing there stadiums are big enough to begin with , pump in 100 millions worth of players and within a year or 2 theyll be up there with the best !

    There is obviously money and fame in buying a football club .. you wouldn’t get 3 out of the top 4 clubs in the EPL taken over if it wasn’t ! So remember all you wenger purists that the clock is ticking ! this science lab experiment has taken 3 years and the results have been average !

    If our board is standing strong in there NO sale policy , then the other clubs below us will be the natural choices for investors in the
    VERY VERY NEAR FUTURE !!!

  38. Dan you are right the second tier are just not good enough who would you rather have for the last 30 minutes Bentnder or Aneilka, Carrick or Denilson, Nani or Diably? thats our problem plus the fact that Senderos is good in the air but hopeless against speedy strikers, and we need to groom someone to give Cesc a rest.

  39. Lets have a clear out sale Gilberto, Diably, Djouru, Traore and buy one or two established players who can adapt easily and be rotated.

  40. all im saying is be careful what you wish for ..
    because if our progress gets any slower than this
    the chelsea’s and man U’s of this world plus all the others who aspire to greatness might screw up your plans royal and proper !!!

    All your banter rely’s on us and the league getting no better or worse , next season ..

    Im sure some potential investors who have seen others make a quid wont have the same delusional fixation as you arsenal fans who gooner85 describe as the latter …

  41. twotouchmiracle

    ethan-

    how can you say spurs have progressed when they trailed us by 1pt in 05-06, 8 pts in 06-07 and this year a whopping 28 pts already and its only march. In what fantasy world is that considered progress?

    D

  42. it so blindingly obvious that they are not good enough that i am amazed how many people fall for it. Look at the hype on vela already and how he is going to answer our problems (hopefully he will!!!) but let’s be serious he is 18, mexican, probably doesn’t speak a word of english, has played all of 50 games in his professional life, never played in the english game and yet he is being “sold” to us as our salvation and here on the blogs people are lapping it up. defies belief, as i have said before wenger is the best salesman in the world!!!

  43. clearly under ramos spurs have improved. he is a serious manager who knows what he is doing, what he wants and most importantly is hungry for success. woodgate and hutton were good buys and i am sure he will spend boat loads this summer.

  44. i think this is a load of knee jerk nonsense. we dont need a random billionaire to come along and mire us in debt. and man city and aston villa arent going to overtake us. and the world isnt going to end anytime in the near future. and id it is that easy to change a football club by having new owners, how come liverpool are still having a right old laugh when it comes to winning the league?

  45. twotouchmiracle

    hear hear robgib

  46. twotouchmiracle

    How is it clear they have progressed.

    Spurs were out earlier in the FA Cup, the UEFA cup, and were recently drubbed by B’ham city….all under Ramos.

    Ramos influence this year has been overhyped to extreme.

  47. Dan you are right Ramos has improved spurs. they lost at Villa after a CC hangover but at the begining of the season they were in the bottom three and the results since Ramos has been there are obviuos, and if he spends wisely in the Summer they will eb a big threat to us especially if the can hold on to Berbatovr, and if he goes to Manu its even worse for us

  48. Dan Vela has an english teacher and he has done well at Osasuna especially agisnt some of the big teams but he will take 3 months to settle in, but I would like to see come off the bench for the last 20 minutes soon after he arrives

  49. twotouchmiracle

    Im sorry,

    I’m not even going to sit here and pretend to be afraid of Tottenham.

    Their results under Ramos are identical to their results under Jol last year, if not worse. Remember, only recently have they lost to Man City and Brum. In addition to Villa as stated above. I would not be suprised to see newcastle turn them over this weekend as well.

    Not suprised at all.

  50. if berbatov goes to manu then fergie can play 3 forwards all at once, and if he buys torres from liverpool for 100 million he can play 4. we need a rich russian quick so we can buy more forwards. otherwise we will be left behind and it will be all over and we will be relegated and that will be that.

  51. we don’t need a billionare we have plenty of money, just someone not willing to spend it.

  52. I have been reading lots of reactions in the last few days… I think robgib sums it up nicely.

    f man u loses to A Villa and we beat bolton with 12 goals and chelsea draw, we will be back in full contention… we were once 5 pts clear, so anything can happen really.

    All fans should back the team to the end, it is not over till we are mathematically out of it.

  53. I don’t think you can underestimate Ramos, but we can also overestimate him. In Spain he never won the league, but he was very good at winning cup trohies. He did get pretty close to winning the league last season and gave Sevilla a berth in the CL.

    I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect similar results with Spurs, so we’re going to have to take Spurs seriously.

  54. least spurs had some glory , we will be remembered in the footballing halls of the 07-08 period as winners?
    of nothing … and yes it has been a season of two 1/2s for spurs , but you must be kidding yourself if ramos wont buy players come the end of the season .. and out a few … But his methods are designed to win… and win in the near future …
    you only have to look at his last appointments to see how this guy is a glory hunter !!!!

    and robgib
    liverpool aren’t any worse or better than last season , pretty much in the same boat as us dont you think ?! but one things for sure liverpool will be spending more next season because this will be disappointing for them ..

    but us we have faith right ?

  55. Oh Yogi, thanks for your excellent post, esp. the link to the O’Neill article.

  56. 2touch
    Spurs drew ManU at home .. and lost 2-1 in the FA
    we drew ManU at home and only lost 4-0 at OT

    you can manipulate, deny, etc as much as you want

    fact is Ramos has improved the squad very quickly and more to follow

    I will reiterate my pont of view that we are bringing too many players through at the same time without giving them enough playing time

    Diaby looks a good player .. so does Traore who is still very young btw

    both must stay and should be given chances in their right positions or be released

    but please upfront next season Vela/Nik/Theo .. how on earth is that gonna work for them??
    we need to kick Hoyte and either Senderos or Djourou out .. then either play Denilson or lend him out ..

    on top of this, we are likely to buy another crop of youngsters .. wtf the bloody fukk does this mean .. all of these boys will be starved for games

  57. team spirit
    its an admiral ‘spirit you do possess , but here are the facts

    man U have to loose 3 of there last 7 games ..
    they have let in 5 goals at home ALL SEASON …
    there goal difference as far as we are concerned is another point to make up ! making it a 7 point break we need to make up ! Chelsea have got 2 games to go V’s the top 4 AT HOME ! ..

    Look at the fixures ahead ..
    i think we need the English fan band to play the great escape at every game we play if you want to have some hope mate !

    Aston villa have not got a result in there last 3 games ! 2 loses and a draw !

    Man U will steam roll them !

  58. twotouchmiracle

    “least spurs had some glory”

    The Carling Cup. Wow. Yeah, I’ll never forget Middlesborough’s historic win in 04. Or Blackburn’s triumph against the Spuds in 02. We can only dream to be in their company.

    Those will totally be remembered in the “footballing halls” over our win at San Siro, for years and years to come.

    /snark

  59. ethan, can u say Liverpool have not spent so far? or spurs for that matter?

    The Liverpool example is given so u can see that it is not a guarantee that once u spend and have new owners, you will the league!

    Our squad is fine and that is not just in support of AW. You cannot just assume that the players will not be fit. Clichy struggled for fitness for about 3 seasons, but eventually, seems to have settled down to being fit; he has hardly been out this season

  60. to be honest ethan, i think we are in a much better position than liverpool. they have spent millions and achieved very little, fluke european cup win apart.

    i honestly would prefer us to stay the way we are, play the football we play, not pay over the odds for star names, and not win the league every year, than become another club bought out by some foreigner with a questionable past.

  61. thanks ny marcus !

    im not saying spurs will win the EPL next season what im saying is there are a lot of teams wanting a piece of our action !

    and if you dont think next season it will get tougher
    then your only kidding yourself …

    Im sure once the season ends we will here some take over rumors surface for other clubs.. and that will just up the ante !

  62. that is what keeping the faith is about; am sure even u as objective as you like to think you are could never have predicted that we will go from being 5 points clear to 6 point behind?

    Yes the results are not in our hands, but the last 11 points dropped by us to give man u the league top was not in their hands either.

    we have drawn too many games end of.

  63. twotouchmiracle

    BB-

    Cant manipulate can only look at the points table, which never lies.

    They are still Jekyll and Hyde. Just like last season.

    Ramos has already bought a dud in their new right back Gilberto.

    They were out earlier in the UEFA and FA cup. That is not “manipulation” that is a fact. Sorry.

  64. 2 touch your delusional ..

    just pay for your 50 quid a head tickets and swing your scarf like a gaffa !

    no other comment anyone will make will change your mind , cant win dont try ..

  65. twotouchmiracle

    ethan-goon,

    ad hominem much?

  66. I dont like to compare Arsenal to other teams, especially teams like Spurs. if you are going to look at a blueprint for success look at Man u. they play good football and win trophies. they do so by buying established low risk players for big money.
    I prefer wengers philosophy and I dont want some billionaire to buy the club. I dont have a problem with Arsenals business plan etc but I just think we should have bought a proper winger in the summer! I dont want to throw the baby out with the bath water because in reality we are almost there.

  67. twotouchmiracle

    What insight!

    “im not saying spurs will win the EPL next season what im saying is there are a lot of teams wanting a piece of our action !”

    Other teams want to be where Arsenal is right now? Other teams outside of the top four would like to win the Prem? What a novel concept! I’d would never have thought that!

    Thanks ethan

  68. 2touch .. lucky then that we didnt play ManU before Spurs .. btw we only lost 5-1 at WHL .. prob part of the progress report for the 07/08 season

  69. spirit …

    with ade fronting our strike force, it was always looking like it was a matter of when !
    I would of had a glimmer of hope if we got 2 or 3 players in december .. I think it was needed ..

    But lack of experience had let us down last season,
    as well as squad depth to last the distance ..
    it was pretty foreseeable really .. I just hoped we could win the easy games ..

    I alway knew that teams like man U and chevski
    have the sort of depth to really push it , come the end of season …..
    i think if your honest with yourself we all knew like the pundits did the title race would be a tight one !
    And its a shame to flop at such a pivotal point in the season .. We didnt score enough and thats the real reason for our demise !

  70. twotouchmiracle

    BB-

    eh….you do know it was the Carling Cup right? Let them have it. It gives our youngsters a good education, while allowing them to delude themselves into thinking they’ve progressed.

    As much as it burns to lose to Spurs in any competition lets not pretend that the CC is something we’re “striving” to win.

    Please.

    You do know that we beat them twice in the league yes?

  71. well said ethan and bb you will have a hard job to change some minds we all support the gooners and maybe some of us who offer good criticism support more than those with red and white specs I like to look at the inside page of my programme and see all our honours and don’t see any there for the past few seasons in the sixties and seventies after three bad years people stayed away and this caused the club to act (eg ars v leeds under 4000) but today with a waiting list of 100.000 waiting to get onto the red membership the club dont have to worry and it shows

  72. twotouchmiracle

    Actually if we did play them we wouldve fared much better as we wouldnt have had the massive first leg against Milan in 3 days time.

  73. BB

    not only did we lose Vs spurs..
    they went on and beat a chelsea FULL SQUAD in the C.C
    and then at home scored 4 goals against them !
    and almost one it !!!

    then we goto chelsea and lose 2-1 ..

    what does that tell you 2 touch ?

  74. would appear that Wenger’s comment that the title race will go the wire doesnt apply to us any longer ..

  75. twotouchmiracle

    We beat Chelsea at home 1-0. What does that tell you ethan?

    This is what happens when you try to take a measure of a season with one game.

    As far as our season is concerned it is undeniable that we have progressed and as far as the SEASON is concerned spuds have gone backwards.

    Defend them all you like.

  76. 2touch .. you are right though on one thing .. a lot of clubs are looking up to and trying to emulate us
    that means more competition in the future, rather than less and therefore more reasons to worry and more reasons to challenge Wenger’s dictatorial stance on everything at the club
    we are not denying that he has done a fantastic job for us, but I feel strongly that we need another driver at the club .. not another bean counter
    this is the season where we got hammered by 2 of our worst rivals .. that aint fukking progress.. whatever the fukking competition

  77. 2tuch .. so we have progressed as a team since the return games started??

  78. i wasnt measuring it in one game ..
    spurs beat us chelsea and then scored 4 goals at chevskis home strip .. Not too many clubs can boast that sort of fire power Vs chevski ! ..

    You cant deny that spurs are getting better .
    and that is the case with alot of other clubs ..
    I have 2 spurs followers as friends .. and they never let me forget !

    Im not defending anyone ! arsenal included .
    if one of your children is naughty you administer punishment !

    and what that tells me 2 touch is that we can beat top teams at the start of the season and go to water at the end of the season … ! but adversely at home we ‘should’ win dont you think ?

  79. 2touch, no one will rememebr we did the double over them, and history will show they won something in 2007 -2008 something we didn’t do. stop being such a snob, a trophy is a trophy and is success either way. i certainly would rather have won the CC than win in milan if we don’t win the CL. it is that attitude that allows wenger to get away with winning nothing and saying but look at that great game we played. it is all about winning!!!!! when you lose sight of that you are only going down hill from there.

  80. but i will say something 2touch

    you are totally blinkered if you think spurs havent improved 100% recently ! I can see it on the pitch ,beratov and keane are a great partnership to watch in a footballing sense ! you obviously only watch arsenal games .. And are not a real lover of the game .. I understand your fragile !

    But if you cannot see there improvement , your just
    in denial or truly just an argumentative sod .

  81. twotouchmiracle

    “you are right though on one thing .. a lot of clubs are looking up to and trying to emulate us
    that means more competition in the future”

    Which is no different from any other season since the inception of the football league, thus the earlier snark.

    You can only play 11 players on the field on the time. All this hullabaloo about money and takeovers is just a distraction for the worrry-worts. Winning the football league will never be comfortable.

    “2tuch .. so we have progressed as a team since the return games started??”

    I would say yes. Look at the table and you’d have to agree.

  82. etahn .. just one point to the whole Spurs saga.. I dont rate Keane and would not consider him AFC material .. I still agree that Spurs have progressed, but go along with gazzap .. its ManU that matters.. no the fukking losers from WHL

  83. 2touch .. yes but then Chelski brings on Anelka/Belletti and some other intl dikkhead from a major footballing nation.. football goes down the route of rugby union has gone..ie the bench matters more and more

  84. well said dan !

    To beat a team like chelsea in the C.C is something to boast about ..
    Beating a 5-8th place italian club in series A isnt that great ! Going on there form !
    They have been playing WELL BELOW par this season ..
    Was a win really that FAR LEFT FIELD FOR YOU ?

    Dont get me wrong it was a great win and the best weve played in some time .. But if your a facts man ! then consider AC have had a poor year .
    and if they dont improve they wont get a birth in next years C.L !!!!!

    thems the facts !!!

  85. twotouchmiracle

    dan- did you remember bbn’s win in 02 or the boro win in 04 before a mentioned it? be honest.

    The only reason it is a big deal this year is b/c SPURS have won it. That is all. Carling Cup is a fourth rate cup. Sucks to lose to spuds in any comepetition but some perspective is needed. Look at the clubs who’s best chance to win anything this year was the CC (NUFC, Blackburn) and you have to agree. Coventry beat ManU. Has Coventry progressed or has ManU regressed. Big Picture folks. Season long trends. If you can’t see it I can’ help you.

    Ethan-

    Berbatov and keane are as good as they were last year, too bad there results can’t keep up with their progress as a strike partnership.

    You’ve just proved yourself wrong btw.

    You say we need to buy using teams like spurs, city, and villa as an example, yet the most improved part of the spurs team is the partnership between keane and dimitar, the SAME pair they had last year. So are you saying we need to keep faith with who we have and see if they develop. Or we need to buy the “new darren bent”? Make up your mind

    Done and done.

  86. BB

    neither would i (re :keane), but i think he supports berbatov pretty well ! and he can score ! can you really name a arsenal striker who is in form currently ???

    i thought not !

    also keane is 4th top scorer in the EPL berba is 6th
    so the facts man should love those stats ..

  87. twotouchmiracle

    “2touch .. yes but then Chelski brings on Anelka/Belletti and some other intl dikkhead from a major footballing nation.. football goes down the route of rugby union has gone..ie the bench matters more and more”

    You conveniently leave out the fact that Sagna went down and their first goal shouldve been flagged offside for the buildup. Not making excuses but all of that factored into the final result.
    Not just “the bench”.

    This is what happens when you make a snap shot analysis of a game and/or season.

  88. 2touch,

    the point about winning trophies even the minor ones is that build confidence, creates a winning mentality, etc. if we all agree that the team was too young and inexperianced to win the league this year then why not try and win something more feasible. besides this year in the FA cup, the domestic cups have been win exclusively by the top 4 teams, if it is big enough for the other 3 why not us. Utd and chelsea won tham whilst they were not the league, that kept the momentum going and was something to build on, so whilst man utd went three years without the league they were still picking up trophies and being seen as winners.

    it is arrogant and niave for arsenal to say forget domestic cups,as we have bigger fish to fry, especially when you are not good enough to win the bigger fish.

  89. twotouchmiracle

    “hey have been playing WELL BELOW par this season ..
    Was a win really that FAR LEFT FIELD FOR YOU ?”

    Are you saying you were 100 percent confident we would win at the San Siro?

  90. Sol Gooner @11.15 this morning,

    I refer the right honourable gentleman to the answer that I gave three days ago at 11.45am to another right honourable gentleman’s question that was curiously enough very closely related to the subject upon which you have enquired:

    Arsene On The Defensive, Flamini & Jens Can Solve The Problem

  91. 2 touch your delusional !

    debate isnt even in question . spur’s form are
    far better because of there manager !
    they are fitter andhe’s given them belief
    they always had reasonable players ..
    just wait until ramos buys GREAT players ..

    as for the done and done …
    i think that goes back to my 1st blog warning to myself .. is cant win, dont try ..

    with you !

    yes mate we are doing well this season !
    we are kicking ar$es and taking names .
    we are beating all in front of us and i support
    the fact that you’d rather win nothing and feel good that we are better than any other team in the EPL ! blah blah blah ..

    you just look sad and ridiculous !
    your doing my head in !
    with your sort of retarded-ness

    and berbatov and keane both didn’t appear in the top 10 scorers last season ! So how you think they are just the same as last season only adds to your deludedness !

    deludedness ! ??? 🙂

  92. ethan .. the facts man will reply that ugly Ade stands above them in the EPL goal standings .. beware
    2touch .. with respect to the bench, we have not won in 5 games .. that is not a one off any longer .. is it?? worst form in 9 years if I read correctly .. not that I pay that much attention to stats
    Sagna has all of a sudden become the crucial man.. now Drogba was a thorn in our ass all day .. Chelski played the long balls all game and we struggled .. what happened then was that Anelka came on and all of a sudden, we play 2 against 2 at the back and that was the end .. I didnt understand why Wenger did not bring Gilberto on to cover at the back .. rather than bring Diaby on and stick the girafe on the left wing ..

  93. two, you can analyse decisons and injuries until kingdom come, over the course of the year you are either good enough or not and this year we are not. don’t kid yourself why are you arguing that the team bringing on anelka is not stronger than the team bringing on bendtner, of course the bench is more important. in reference to our main rivals, they don’t have a “bench” they have 18 to 20 top quality players that can all play at anytime without dramatically changing the quality of the team. we have 12 and there is the issue which if not addressed this summer will ensure more bare years to come. (unless wenger decides to try and in the domestic cups)

  94. twotouchmiracle

    dan-

    If winning the CC would’ve given us some belief where have Boro and Blackburn gone?

    They were outside the top four and they have one it in the last 6 years.

    This conversation was sparked because ethan says that Tottenham are progressing. But that’s like saying liverpool are progressing when they’ve pretty much stagnated for the past 5 yrs.

    In that time they’ve won the european cup. What cup doesn’t breed more belief than that one.

  95. twotouchmiracle

    *one=won

  96. i will say the players were … confident 2 touch…
    I will say i was reminded of the facts i presented to you .. by bloggers here .
    (that ac have had a crap season).
    I know we seem to preform better in the C.L … And i have my own theories on that ..
    and they are to do with concentration .. and arsene’s lust to win as a priority …

    but whats the point in talking to you ..
    i mean really ?

  97. Like I said, Chelsea is an anomaly. Nobody can compete with them financially.

    But Dan, if you give the young players waiting in the wings a chance, they will mature and you’ll end up with a squad of excellent players on the cheap, not just a good first team. And by that I mean, appearances in the Carling Cup and FA Cup for the inexperienced.

    All our best players (Except Gallas) have improved at Arsenal under Wenger’s tutelage.

    He has always bought rough diamonds. It’s a proven method. Long may it continue, because we’re starting to see what it means to have a squad of players growing up together.

  98. twotouchmiracle

    I mention that berba and keane had indeed improved over last season. I also wrote that their teams results have not matched that improvement, thus spurs have not improved what are you fling off the handle about

  99. twotouchmiracle

    Also, respond to this big spender ethan “Berbatov and keane are as good as they were last year, too bad there results can’t keep up with their progress as a strike partnership.

    You’ve just proved yourself wrong btw.

    You say we need to buy using teams like spurs, city, and villa as an example, yet the most improved part of the spurs team is the partnership between keane and dimitar, the SAME pair they had last year. So are you saying we need to keep faith with who we have and see if they develop. Or we need to buy the “new darren bent”? Make up your mind”

  100. BB we have not won in 8 games !!!
    and if we draw Vs bolton or worse it will officially be the worst spell under wengers reign !
    so 2 touch and the rest who stay quiet should look heavily on that stat before you say we have progressed ! and people like spurs havent !

    It all great being ahead in the middle of the season but they don’t give out awards for that !!!

    yes BB ade is above them in all stats , lost possession (id say he’s the league leader in that stat !@) off sides , failure of passing %ages 🙂

    mind you id say assists you can safely say he wont win 🙂

  101. two,

    not sure the blackburn / boro point is of any relevance. we are in the top 4 teams in england they are crappy little teams who peak at winning the CC.

    for us to win the CC like the other top 4 would as i said keep the winning mentality going (in our case starting as this “new” team have won nothing yet). as for spurs as much as i hate them i think it would be naive to say they have not improved greatly since ramos has been there, which has been highlighted by the fact they tonked us (in comparison to last year) and then went on to be beat a full strength chelsea to win their first trophy for 8 years. it wasn’t a fluke they deserved to win it.

  102. big al .. u got no fukking brain .. weare NOT giving our young players a chance by playing them 5 games a season .. how many games have Denilson/Traore and co played this year? And have they progressed?
    Please tell me .. you are a fukking joke.. and the likes of TH14/PV4 and Bobby were not rough diamonds when they were bought .. and Cesc played every game and we let PV4 go so that he could get games .. these are the facts
    big al .. you are deluding yourself .. stop the mushrooms

  103. twotouchmiracle

    “not sure the blackburn / boro point is of any relevance. we are in the top 4 teams in england they are crappy little teams who peak at winning the CC.”

    This is exactly the point im trying to argue with ethan when he says that “at least spurs have had some glory” and that spurs have improved. A crappy little team who peaks while winning the CC is exactly what spurs are. The table, even if you only look at their most recent results arent that diffferent from last year. Tanked by Brum, loss to city, a draw and a couple wins. They wanted the CC off a flukey woodgate goal because they cared about it most.

  104. Dan you and I are realists and able to admit that Spurs have improved, and they have had some good buys like Berbatov, Hutton etc. as well as some rubbish. But if we dont strengthen the squad to have at least 16 top players not 12 we are not going anywhere.. Sagna. EDS, Flamini, and Song were our only positives this season, pairing Hotye and Traore together showed how bad the second string were, and Almunia whilst OK is not as good as Jens when he wasin his prime, not being able to rest Cesc has affected his second half season and the Euro cup means hell have very little rest time. Wengerspin cant go on forever

  105. 2touch .. when Spurs will play Chelski next season, the CC final will be in everybody’s minds .. dont you worry .. whilst in their mind will be we came back at the Arse in the last 20 mins by playing their usual shiit football.. and Drogba doing the rest .. guess who will have the psychological advantage .. unless Drogba leaves of course

  106. twotouchmiracle

    How have spurs improved? Look at their points total in comparison to last year.

    It is less than last year. Even if you only count their recent form, it is identical to last year.

    That is not progress.

    That is stagnation.

    But carry on sing the praises of the spuds all you like.

  107. al

    “He has always bought rough diamonds. It’s a proven method.”

    not neccessarily for winning anything!!!

    firstly the youngsters route only started a few years ago when he had no cash and i don’t think we can say it has been successful in terms of trophies yet as we have won nothing with them.

    our championship teams and squads for that matter were all full of experianced top quality international players with a sprinking of young promising players.

    he has brought great young players who developed with more experianced players by there side, but not on mass which we are now seeing.

    playing in 8 to 10 cup games a year will firstly not get the experiance they need (only clichy and cesc played every week and they are the most successful recent young players to come through) and secondly make it that much less likely that the club will ever win anything.

  108. no 2touch .. we strive to become ManU/Barca/Real and so on and so forth .. at 50 to 70 quid a ticket, that is not 2 much to ask for really, is it??

    i couldnt care less about the kunts from WHL unless they beat us 5-1 .. then I get fukking fukking angry

  109. twotouchmiracle

    BB

    I believe you have lost the plot mate. I have no idea what you are on about.

    This convo started because ethan mention that we should be afraid of a rampant and improving spurs when no one can prove that they have in fact improved.

  110. BB – I’m not going to respond to the personal stuff – not sure how that was necessary. But I’ll reply to the bits I can understand.

    Traore hasn’t looked like progressing much this season, but he’s still young. Denilson’s been injured for a lot of it and hasn’t had much of a look in. Doesn’t prove anything.

    Look what happened when we bought a player to sit on the bench and aspire to a first team place – Diarra left after a couple of months. The only reason players are happy to sit on the Chelsea bench is for the cackloads of money they get.

    Henry and Pires’ best days were at Arsenal – there can be no doubt about that. Henry was indeed an incomplete player when he arrived.

    A quick look tells you that Pires was no way near as effective at Marseille in the mighty Ligue 1 as he was in red and white.

    None of our recent Greats could be considered truly great players until Wenger got hold of them.

  111. twotouchmiracle

    BB-

    Im guessing that you agree though that if we won the CC that couldn’t be describe as a measure of progress for an Arsenal team, yes?

  112. my last comment on spurs would be, as a fan i would rather have 10 less points and win a cup, than be 5th and have no glory. you ask those scum bag fans whether they would trade in beating us and chelsea and a day at wembley for 10 more points and i would be shocked if they would.

  113. the point is al, TH, RP etc were not 18 year old boys they were international already, although not at their peak were still quality players.

  114. The only reason Arsenal has 70 million in the kitty now is because we chose the “Youngster” route 3 years ago. Had he spent ManU levels of money, he’d have risked the long-term future of the club – and would never have been guaranteed success.

    Not rocket science.

    Considering these lads are improving by the season, and looking where we are now, I’m quite happy with the way it’s going.

  115. Have just listened to AW’s interviews and press conference on the official site. Also listened to the latest podcast, which has an interview with Rosicky.

    * AW confirmed the truth of his comments to the French press re his interest in Ben Arfa, saying he would be interested in the player if he were for sale. He said that as far as he knows Ben Arfa is not for sale, tho. I find this interesting — AW never speaks so explicitly about his interest in buying a particular player.

    * AW says his priority is to keep his squad together but implied that he is looking to add to it.

    * Rosicky sounds very depressed in the interview. He’s not even thinking about whether or not he’ll be at the Euros. He says his injury is strange, it’s a tendon that was kicked too much, and that only time will heal it.

  116. twotouchmiracle

    dan,

    you just confirmed it. you’ve lost the plot. You’d rather be out of the champions league for the Carling Cup. Thank god you have zero influence over the day day at AFC.

  117. twotouchmiracle

    * day to day

  118. twotouchmiracle

    dan,

    nevermind reread your post. makes sense now.

    however, just because they won the CC, doesn’t mean they’ve progressed.

  119. denislon hasn’t had much of a look in because wenger doesn’t rate him highly enough to let him have a look in.

    everyone quotes that the fact that diara left shows you can not have a deep squad. what utter rubbish who knows what happened there and what was promised to him or not. either way i find it ridiculous to say the whole concept of a strong competative squad is down the toilet due to one player being dissatisfied and leaving.

  120. spurs had a terrible start to the season. after 8 games they had only a handful of points. since Ramos joined they are virtually a top 6 team. I was glad we played them twice in the league before they had really got it together. next season who knows, but they might lose Berbatov so they might get worse.

  121. twotouchmiracle

    “either way i find it ridiculous to say the whole concept of a strong competative squad is down the toilet due to one player being dissatisfied and leaving.”

    Who said this?

  122. also they were a penalty miss from probably beating us at Emirates!

  123. two, who cares whether they have or haven’t, however if you look at their games against us in the league and cups, man utd and chelsea in the past few months, i think you would need to be pretty biased to say they have not improved at all.

  124. Sorry Dan, BB took issue with me saying that TH and RP were unfinished when we got them. I was just clearing that up.

    We bought them at a different time – when we could spend millions on off-colour players.

    The youngsters strategy is because of the constraints of the new stadium and at the time, the uncertain refinancing. It wasn’t necessarily out of choice – it was the smartest way to go for a potentially difficult couple of years.

    We have money to spend, and I think we’ll splash out on a couple of players this summer.

  125. twotouchmiracle

    gazzap,

    thats like saying we were a leg break, bad penalty call, 2 bad offside calls, and a disallowed goal from being top of the league.

  126. over and over again on this blog people have continually said that diarra was prove that you can not have too many good squad players as they all will leave and be peed off for the lack of opportunities. just go back and look.

  127. twotouchmiracle

    Spurs beat chelsea last year and have always taken us and manu to the brink the past few year. For whatever reason they can’t get over the hump, unless it is our 2nd team.

    That is not improvement.

  128. al,

    i understand why it was done, but from last summer we had money in the bank and could have spent it. RP was 6m and TH 10m, not outlandish amounts even for that time by the way.

    i have to say that personally i don’t think it matters how many games the likes of denislon, diaby, hoyte, senderos, djouro, and bendtner play i don’t think they are or ever will be top class players. Traore is an unknown, he went from so good to so bad so quickly and unfortunatley for him played in half arsed teams in half arsed performances so it was tough on him to show what he can do.

  129. twotouchmiracle

    But no one said that we should scrap the idea of having a quality bench b/c of that.

    It is true however that you run the risk of having good players leave when they don’t feel they are getting the time they deserve. That remains true.

  130. i am sure if you asked every manager in the premier league if they thought they had improved all would say yes. but as i said who the hell cares, i am more concerned about us improving not them.

  131. dan, i am amazed that you would rather have 10 less points and a carling cup. this isnt a spurs blog.

  132. yes they do, it is often said how we can not keep quality players happy, unlike everyone else i may add!!!

  133. twotouchmiracle

    true. ethan brought it up. not me. but I wasn’t going to pretend to be afraid of spurs.

    Every year they are over hyped. Every year they go backwards. Every year they outspend us, every year they go backwards. Every year a new manager, every year they go backwards.

    Only when i see a marked improvement in their form in the League, will i even entertain the thought of worrying about them. They are another Villa, City, and NUFC in my eyes.

  134. but when I invest in Arsenal via a very expensive season ticket I dont want them to squirrel it away in the favour of buying cheap youngsters while they save £70m over 3 years. I want them to buy so that we have quality players in each position and a decent bit of cover. £70m in the bank doesn’t get you any prizes. the board are always telling us what a healthy position the club is in. if they were saying we were in a precarious position and we might need that £70m just to survive the next 5-10 years then of course you could understand why its not spent. But with the extra TV revenue above what was predicted and the flat sales money coming in soon, we are minted.
    why should arsenal behave this way in the transfer market when our squad is too thin to win the big trophies? it doesn’t make sense.
    As had been pointed out, the vast majority of players outside the first 13/14 players are NOT trusted in the first team unless there are injuries that force their use. those players are not even gaining experience. I dont call 5 games a season gaining experience. they often play more for their countries than they do for Arsenal.
    The trouble with wenger is that his excellent strategy is not being balanced out with the odd additional big signing. If there are no holes in the squad then of course there is no point spending for the sake of it, but we could all see there were holes and the money could have been used to fill those holes (wing).

  135. twotouchmiracle

    ‘yes they do, it is often said how we can not keep quality players happy, unlike everyone else i may add!!!”

    Who is everyone else? Chelsea? Come off it. They are in a different orbit financially, so please. They’ve contributed to the stagnation of England prospects Wayne Bridge and SWP.

  136. Last Summer we got Eduardo, Sagna and Diarra.

    Eduardo was starting to come good until – you know. Sagna, excellent. Diarra looked great cover until he got fed up.

    2 more players of Eduardo or Sagna quality this summer would go down a treat!!

    Hoyte and Djourou, I agree. Senderos and Bendtner I disagree. Denilson, Diaby and Traore – we have to wait and see. F**k having him up against Nani or Lennon any time soon though. Now that was a mistake by Wenger!

  137. absolutely if you are going to finish 6th or 10th and a cup final win, no brainer as far as i am concerned. (as long as both get you in to europe which it did for them).

    cup finals and wembley visits are what memories are made off, not finishing 10 points higher in 6th place. who hell the remembers that.

  138. two, i think you are new on thsi blog as i do not recognize the name. but constantly in this blog in this season when the squad argument comes up, diarra is used as the example of how we can not have such strong players sitting on the bench. nothing to do with chelsea

  139. we can not bring through both diaby and denislson through at the same time, keep one and sell the other, you can choose!!!!

  140. twotouchmiracle

    Not new to this blog btw. Just haven’t been on in a while.

    I don’t think it has been used as an argument to abandon the idea however. Just a cautionary tale.

  141. David Dein

    I was one of the people who loved DD for his vision and what he has done for the club. But if I had the amount of shares he had in the club and I loved the club this much, I would have never, ever let those shares go to a scum. Why did he do that? Any one?

  142. big al .. why did Diarra getfed up?? how comes that Carrick/Hargreaves/Tevez are happy to rotate??
    gimme a break .. Tevez was voted twice in a row Brazilian player of the year at Corinthinas as an Argentinian .. he’s a proper heavyweight .. the other two are English internationals ..
    does this raise questions over Wenger’s men management capabilities??
    maybe we should rotate more and then leave ourselves less exposed to end of season fatigue
    and for the last time, yes TH/PV/Rp were not the superstars they became at Arsenal, but they were not formed here either .. they were formed in France by French culbs giving them palying time in the French league .. I did not say anything else
    I said if you read my comments that they came to su on the back of one bad transfer . but all THREE were FULL BLOWN FRENCH INTERNATIONALS!! .. get a grip .. unlike the owns we got now

  143. I doubt if any one remembers who won the CC couple of years ago. Who the hell cares about Carling Cup for god sake? Only Chel$ki and Spuds who didn’t win anything for a 100 years. Of course they will fill their trophy cabinet with any sh*t they can put their hands on even if it was made of chocolate.

    But we remember where we finished in the league every year for the last 11 years.

  144. m8 .. I remember that we lost in the final to Chelski .. dont you?? last year..
    you seem to have a selective memory

  145. our underperforming 2nd team played chelsea off the pitch last year in the cc final. if our team plays like that every game i will be glad not to win anything ever.

  146. twotouchmiracle

    BB

    What is the point you are trying to make? Seriously.

  147. also, for what its worth, i was a fully paid up member of the david dein fan club once, but it is worth remembering that he wanted us to play at wembley rather than our nice new shiny home.

  148. once i sent my comments on how wrong it was to go in the fa and cc with hoyte and traore..and not commiting 100 percent to the cause….it got posted on espnstar on some blog….in a sarcastic manner…..i dunno y…

    ethan mate…..ur views are perfectly acceptable without the “key” words and ideas…..evone makes sense with his views…..

    i just think diaby wud be very much like baptista…wonder goal maker…but too few…i think denilson has a much better chance of making it big than diaby…he is toooooo slowwwwwww……

    i also think we need to speed up our game a bit….
    but still wonder sub in chelsea game by wenger dint c those coming….rvp off, flaminni off….
    omg diaby on wen it shud have been gilberto….he wud have put drogba in his place just like he did of berbatov in cc.

    i just hope we “WIN” the next one….so tht we can talk abt games with liverpool in a much more positive spirit…i dont really like this spirit we have now..and its affecting my work as well….

  149. Who won it in 2003 BB do your remember that without having to look it up?

    But you do remember where we finished in the table in 2003, I’m sure you do if you are an Arsenal fan.

  150. 2 touch .. what u mean??

  151. g4e .. yes maybe .. but 2003 seems oh so far away

  152. Exactly BB 🙂 people remember the big things, not the CC Even if it was a glorious 10 minutes winning it in Wembley.

    I’m not saying we shoudn’t win it, but it’s not the end of the world for a big club like Arsenal…We should worry about the big things we are not winning.

  153. g4e .. where do we start??

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  155. you can not just rely ever year on winning the CL and PL, especially when you are clearly not good enough to win either.

  156. I don’t really think any Arsenal fan wouldn’t want to win titles, we are all just different on the ways we want to win it and when.

    The fact still remains BB, you can spend all you want, you can buy a 100 players and you still have a fair chance of not winning anything. The proof you say? Chelsea, Man United, Barcelona, Real Madrid, AC Milan, Juventus, LPool, B. Munich, want more? None of these clubs win everything every year and they spend tons of money.

    Do we need more players, I think we do, will we win anything in the future? I have no idea, and I can’t guarantee anything. I don’t think any one can.

  157. Not sure, I’d rather be 2 divisions lower and win the Auto Windshields cup if it means Wembley glory!

    Seriously, I say give some of the younger players time before kicking up a fuss because they’re not ready yet. Wenger’s sticking to his guns because it’s been in the works for 3 years.

    Flamini looked unlikely before this season, I reckon there will be more like him that make the grade. Wenger’s best skill has always been in prospecting. There have been a few failures, but my word have there been some triumphs.

  158. How can you say we are not good enough when we reached the CC final with the same players? I think even less Sagna & Eduardo.

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  160. Wagner – Barking up the wrong tree. A lot of these dudes don’t believe in nurturing young talent!

  161. You’re lucky Ethan is not around wagner 🙂

    Maybe he is still looking for the cork??

  162. al,

    where you are wrong is that wenger doesn’t play them, except in cup games he has no great interest in winning. he never picks them full stop!!! unless he is resting 1st team players. they will never make it unless they play many more games and he doesn’t trust any of them in front of his 1st 11. as i said he is selling you a dream that even he doesn’t believe.

  163. 2 touch you g*t

    i made the point that everyone has said we have been getting closer in points this season to the leaders .. hence the improvement in AFC , i said look at the people rising from below .. and it will all even out ..

    and you cannot say the spuds have not improved !
    they RECENTLY have preformed better than us , FACT , they won something this year FACT ..unless you like to dip into the 02-03 archive ! cause that means bollocks currently !!!
    I didnt say we should FEAR them ! you toss !

    Your an argumentative little g*t ..
    get your facts straight hombres !

  164. G4E wish you had a cork !

  165. twotouchmiracle

    How have they improved recently? Where are your facts? The fact that they got tanked by Villa, City, and Brum since Ramos has taken over. That is already more losses than we have had all season.

  166. Yo

    my name is cork, or corky….has any one seen ethan the goon?

    If you see him, tell him i’m looking for him or in fact his a&&.

    ethan…. where are you?….yoo hooo…eeethan

    ….following the sh*t trace…….

  167. Shut up Ethan, or corky will find you….

  168. G4E you want to bring it ?

    I don’t really think any Arsenal fan wouldn’t want to win titles, we are all just different on the ways we want to win it and when.

    WHAT FU&&ING PLANET ARE YOU ON ?
    honestly ! so when do you plan in winning it Oh mighty poo barr of the footballing world !?
    your not even british ,you guys call it soccer ! stick to grid iron mate !
    i dont think you got any right to tell us your warped view on football ! What trallop !
    Us arsenal fans wanted to win SOMETHING !
    i can tell you !
    And its not that the C.C was too lowly .. It would of been the medicine to stop the slump we are currently going through ! ..

    Like i said winning is a habit !
    you are just an idiot !

  169. hey cork sucker bring it !

  170. and cork .. you must be about 12 years old ..
    if you weren’t so retarded , youd realize your not even humorous .And those who find you funny i have pity on ! your obviously G4E .. I would expect that to be a yanks sense of humor …

    do you get your material from the comic section of the sunday childs section ?

  171. Turning the ugly racist a$$-face again ethan? I lived in England and I can say you are the poorest excuse for one, because England is great it doesn’t mean that you are by birth.

    By the way You don’t own Arsenal.

    How do you know winning the CC would make us win the league…smart corked a$$? Maybe if we won it, the team would have dropped early because they won something….it was better they didn’t win it to keep them fighting till the end for bigger trophies.

  172. 2 touch

    if you cant see it mate then i pity you also !
    spurs are looking far better than they did under jol
    and if you cant see it .. that is truly your problem !
    not mine !

    But ‘nod your head and get back into your bottle .

    You come here to argue not to discuss the major topic i was on about ..

    but the facts are they can get 4 past chelsea at home and we couldnt !
    WHATS THAT TELL YA ??!

    done and done !
    and dont bother responding because i swear
    i wont respond again to you !

  173. Yes what ever G4E ..
    tell me to shut up and youll get a bollocking !
    or did you forget your time in the UK ?

  174. i find it very hard to believe that if we had won the carling cup, eduardo wouldnt have his leg almost removed and clichy woulnt have given away a non existent penalty. and thats just for starters.

  175. twotouchmiracle

    Look at the table, ethan. The table never lies.

    Look at their points total under Ramos.

    end of story.

  176. and ethan, youre right. spurs are miles ahead of us because they (nearly) beat chelsea at their home. we could only beat them by 1 goal, they (nearly) managed with 4.

  177. Turning the ugly racist a$$-face again ethan?

    gee YOU aint got much left in the arsenal have you yank boy ? Yes i married a black woman YES i must be racist right !?

    haha . No im just pointing out to the others that ,thats the reason you know NOTHING about football !..

    tis all !
    racism has nothing to do with it ..
    i don’t know what color you are !
    and dont really care to know either !

    I know your an idiot , who couldnt see that ade
    was a player that doesn’t suit arsenals style of play
    and you where such a knob about it ..
    I remember that !

    but it all makes sense now , now i know your a yank ..
    You only worry about the stats . you cant look at the whole picture .. you cant see the inter-play and the 1st touch is far more important that 16 poultry goals from the field all season from his own boot ! you cant see that giving up possession when you play a passing game , gives back possession to the other team !!..
    (read that one slowly again i KNOW you have trouble with that fact !)

    you must think its like grid iron when you get 5 chances to score .. NO MATE in football you turn the ball over just 1 time and the other team gets it ..

    And we end up doing nothing with it ! It also stops others from scoring because possession is lost ..
    theres no coby bryants in arsenal .. we need to pass the ball and wait for the openings , before we deliver the damage ,to get open as you say in basketball !

    not make a turn over ..

    🙂
    do you understand now frat boy ?

  178. twotouchmiracle

    Ethan- “Look at the whole picture, but ignore the stats”

    Contradict yourself much?

  179. robgib

    you don’t win the EPL at the start of the season mate ! And compare apples to apples !
    we won our HOME game .. Not away .. And not this YEAR !

    you go on CURRENT form , not the form 2 touch likes to state in 03 season !

    Thats why we are so far behind the 8 ball ..
    because none of you geniuses can think 1 or 2 moves ahead ..
    the attitude of people saying we will win something when we are ready .. HAHAHA !

    do you know something i dont ??

    answer : i doubt that .. most of you are lucky if you can tie your shoes !

    now thats funny cork boy !

  180. 2 touch

    if you cant see it mate then i pity you also !
    spurs are looking far better than they did under jol
    and if you cant see it .. that is truly your problem !
    not mine !

  181. twotouchmiracle

    Ethan, breathe.

    Try re-posting cause your rants are beginning to make less sense.

  182. 2 touch your delusional ..

    just pay for your 50 quid a head tickets and swing your scarf like a gaffa !

    no other comment anyone will make will change your mind , cant win dont try ..

  183. I’m not looking at the whole picture? You really make us laugh man. You don’t even look two steps ahead.

    And of course to prove that you don’t actually read posts at all, you just like to argue and appear the one who knows it all, I’m not American either. As I mentioned many times before. The only sport I watched since I was 6 is football. I know nothing about American Football, or basketball, and I don’t watch anything else but my Arsenal.

    Again you bring up Ade, at least I have the guts to stay here and defend my view of him, while you ran and hid for 3 months until he dropped in form and then came back to brag about it. How courageous you are ethan. You should really be proud of yourself.

    You’re nothing but a selfish fan who only cares about himself, no one else.

  184. twotouchmiracle

    You should see his posts from pre-season where he predicted arsene would leave.

    Hilarious.

    The man has no foresight.

  185. Yo ethan

    I can see u r talkin sh*t form ur mouth, i mean a&& again….what did the doctor say, huh? never take corky outta ur a&& and hurt falks’ minds n eyes wit ur stinky sh*t?

    show de’O boy…ere i come

  186. I actually had a thing called work to do G4E
    thats why i left ! , and besides ! he was screwing up before i left ! YOU KNOW IT !

    but you couldnt see it with your narrow minded footballing mega brain !

    ‘at least I have the guts to stay here and defend my view of him’

    spoken like a true yank ! More like you should admit you might have spoken too soon about the lad and make piece and say you were sorry for all the NAME CALLING! , same with all yanks u would rather start wars than admit they were wrong !

  187. twotouchmiracle

    wow. it statements like “same with all yanks u would rather start wars than admit they were wrong !” that lose you all creditability.

    Rash statements=poor judgement

  188. hey corky
    i know you haven’t finished primary school yet mate ,but try and speak the queens English ..
    I cant understand a word !

    You must be a yank also !
    plus only a idiot would pretend to WANT to be something i stuff up my date !

    Unless your coming out of the closet !
    they have proper chat lines for that stuff !
    not on an arsenal football blog !

  189. You’re going political on us now?

    Yes, he was screwing goal keepers with 19 goals then, you are right…I should check the facts.

    Did you mean “Make Peace”?

    English is my second language and it’s hard to understand you sometimes…Hahaha.

  190. G4E
    well english is my 3rd language now !

    but read em and weep G4E and on arsenal.com !

    the key phrase for you to NOT read it this one !

    Otherwise the 24-year-old’s difficult spell has coincided with the struggles of his side.

    http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?thisNav=News&article=489559&lid=NewsHeadline&Title=Wenger+-+Adebayor+maybe+needs+a+breather

    thanks marcus !

  191. No mate, you need to read the title of the article.

    He needs a breather, which means he needs to rest. He gave a lot and now needs to rest, I have no problem with that…..He should’ve been rested way before running him to ground. It doesn’t mean he is a bad player as you’ve been trying hardly to label him.

    So before you start having the “I was right tantrums” you need to read it first a few times to understand it.

    Wenger quote

    “I believe he has given a lot this year and so he would need a little breather, maybe,” said the manager. “He has played a lot on his own up front and has had to fight very hard. So at the moment, to refresh him a bit would do him some good.”

  192. 2 touch is that the pot calling the kettle black ?
    , i did it to evoke a response !
    and teach certain people a lesson ,
    and i think if you invaded an Arab country and stayed there 3 years too long , i wouldn’t say its me who looses credibility !Ask the french and german governments im not alone on the theory ! Some of my business partners are
    fresh from iraq .. i know the marshal law that goes on there .. your commenting on ignorance !

    but with the above delightful news that we might score goals tomorrow im going to bed !

    give him the ball and watch him score …

    FROM THE BENCH !!!

  193. Sweet dreams with corky…

  194. wenger defends all his players like that !
    thats how pv4 was first passed off !
    before we sold him !
    READ IT
    ——————————————–
    Otherwise the 24-year-old’s difficult spell has coincided with the struggles of his side.
    ——————————————–
    you are smart enough to get what this means arnt you ???

    And this is arsenal.com !

    brilliant !!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    yes i have no foresight .

    I also said wenger would sign before the end of his contract!!! go back thru the archives I DOUBLE DARE YOU 2 touch ! yogi knows ! we had many debates on this issue !

    I said he had to sign , so the youngsters wouldnt fall apart for the whole season & he did !
    So again your wrong 2 touch !!!

    And for a while he did say publicly he was waiting to see who owned the club !
    EVERYONE was saying it actually !
    the only thing i said was if he did stay he would sign at the start of the season ! and he did !
    He needed to and it was common sense if he did hang around !

    (henry started the rumor of him leaving, as thats the excuse he gave for leaving himself ! )
    the media speculated it many a time !
    He also came out later in the season and said HE DID CONTEMPLATE LEAVING !! or where you missing for that arsene statement too !

    WHAT IS YOUR POINT 2 TOUCH ??

    hahahahha! idiot !

  195. ethan, you are seriously losing the plot, this really isn’t the platform for discussing world politics, stick to starting on ade, you may have at least some credibility on that subject, clearly not any middle east politics.

  196. I swear this guy is crazy or something, writing to us from a mental hospital when they let him out of his confinement.

    How did he interpret Ade is going from what he just quoted?

  197. twotouchmiracle

    Now you want to change history. You said unequivocally that Arsene was going to follow thierry henry. You based it on the fact that you predicted Henry left.

    When Arsene signed I showed you your post and you told me how said my life must be because I’d saved your quotes.

    Not only do you have no foresight your also have no memory.

    Comical.

  198. CODE RED ALERT

    YOGI – your site has been hijacked!!!
    I repeat Hijacked!!!
    This is not a drill
    Please deploy all necessary counter measures at your disposal

    The insurgent known as ethan_goon is now close to control of your blog by simply wearing everybody down in a war of attrition and blanket bombing of posts. Resistance is close to collapse. Several elite posters still hold out but the rets of us are succumbing and soon all will fall before his mighty words

    Save our souls – act now or we all perish !!!

  199. twotouchmiracle

    than-gooner on Wenger back in June:

    “this statement confirms he wont stick around.. geez i dont have to keep telling you my thoughts on arsene .. you know it to death … this is just another nail in the speculation BECOMMING REALITY coffin… just admit im right , i know i am .you know i am .. it makes sence the board will require his commitment .. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY I KNOW HE WONT GIVE IT !”

    My previous response still stands,

    “Ethan-

    So if Wenger does sign a new contract and you are wrong should we expect you to stop making predictions? Will we be allowed to throw it in your face and claim that from henceforth you are wrong about everything else? The manager and player are two different people and have different values when it comes to negotiating contracts.”

    Of course most fans predict that we will challenge on all fronts. You say we have no proof. Of course we don’t. Its called having faith in the team.

    If you think we wont win anything, what is your proof that we wont. Why should we trust your judgement as you have been dead wrong before?

  200. twotouchmiracle

    Ahem….does that refresh your memory, sir?

  201. “The sooner a big investor comes in and gets these clowns out of their chairs the better !”

    What a load of crap. Are the 200 posts today full of this? I’m only starting to read them…

  202. I think the rap about Arsene’s failure to aquire sufficient players is weak. Ade, Rosicky, and Gallas were acquired in ’06; Sagna and Eduardo in ’07. This is arguably half the starting outfield. We know what injuries have done to them, and the others. It seems to me that unless one can prove that Arsenal’s injury/fatigue experience this year is what is normally to be expected in the EPL, one cannot blame him for the failure to plan adequately. Even in January, was he to foresee that Toure and Song would leave the ANC injured, or that Eduardo would be felled by a vicious (although “non-malicious”) tackle? If he’s clairvoyant enough to see that, then he should have seen that Rosicky would be injury-prone, and that Lehman would botch the early chances which led him to his tenured chair on the bench.

    Now they are thin, and now they have to suck it up. I’d prefer Senderos in the center and Toure at the right. He can attack. Big Phil has played well, and perhaps we can now agree that trashing him for not stopping Drogba cold was silly, and a failure to recognize what a great player Drogba is.

    As for the summer, I think we can expect Arsene to acquire a 3-5 players. He has to replace Eduardo, who cannot be counted on for significant contribution next season. He has to have a strong alternative to Gilberto, who will not get faster if he stays. If he thinks the Eboue experiment will not bear fruit, he has to deal with that situation, as well as worry when Gallas will start to lose it. He may look for another player of Rosicky’s quality, one who is more resilient. There are a lot of question marks in midfield. It may present an opportinity for Song; Diaby needs to show full recovery. The position that was Diarra will probably need to be filled. My guess is 2-3 midfielders, another back and another forward. But while the roster of midfielders is numerous, so are the questions.

    Fatigue, more than injury, has been the culprit behind the recent slide, IMHO.

  203. http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/09092007/58/premier-league-dein-wenger-wasn-t-staying.html

    yes cant think of why i would of thought arsene was leaving at that time !!!?!

    I also said if he signs he must do it quickly !
    AND HE DID ! and i always wanted him too !!
    2touch is just picky with what he cut and pasted !
    typical !
    he signed early like i said he would !
    if you read the other 30 blogs i typed on the subject !
    when all the other plonkers said he wouldnt until the end of his contract .. you group pummelled me
    with your BS !..

    anyway at least im bold enough to make a prediction ! 2 touch -G4E have never stated ANYTHING WORTH remembering in there lives !
    dead wood – waste of space – dead men walking

    all ring to mind !

    in fact 2touch is a crafty little c#nt @!
    selectively picking out when i had just obviously read the above !

    . and last year arsene
    also confirmed it .. he said he had considered leaving ! And arsene never denied what he said to dein either,and later in the season backs it up !
    by confirming it ! or didnt you read it ??/
    SO GO FIGURE !
    yes i was so wrong … HAHAHA!

    so i spose that makes me right AGAIN !!!
    he did consider leaving the above proves it !
    so my gutt feeling was correct – as ever !

    i can smell goals tonight !
    Now arsene has DROPPED ade !

    yes you can call it rest ! but you must be kidding yourself if ade needs a rest ! this is 24 years old!
    and plays for 90 minutes once a week !
    if you aint fit enough at that age your just Bulls#itting yourselves ! The young legs of arsenal
    should never be fatigued ! Its total non-sense !
    physio’s light training . rest days
    Even the heart foundation at 40 years old suggests you get 3 hours exercise a week !
    Yes maybe gilberto if playing every week or gallas
    these older boys ,maybe ! but 20-25 year old players needing a rest is just a smoke screen for poor form !

    you amaze me ! G4E how naive you are

    He was dropped ! pure and simple !
    arsene needed to experiment like i suggested over the past few weeks .. I would of rathered it be RVP and walcott but walcott will probably be on the wing so RVp will get some service for once
    and without greedy ade there he will no doubt get some chances and more importantly GOALS !
    Hleb will be more effective ,in fact the whole team will be able to string a few passes together in the final 3rd for once !!!

    nacho comes back out of the closet !
    amazing ! come and back your drowning mates up

    are you finished being @@@@@@ sideways?

  204. fUCK!! wE NEED A win BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wE have to beat bolton HANDILY!!!!!!!!!!!!! i AM SO TIRED OF NOT WINNING!

  205. AW has to add like 4 QUALITY players. Not youngsters, 4 23-27yr old battle-ready players. I am so tired of his predictability on this point. All Summer I hoped & prayed he wouldn’t repeat the same mistake of OVERUSING players but damn…it happened again! It’s not bad luck that we have repetitive injuries, it’s overwork.

    RvP, Rosicky, Diaby, etc as great as they are need reinforcements to guarantee they’ll go the distance.

    AW must know better!!!!! Shit is so annoying!

  206. Dan

    Maybe if the US marine corp. was walking around your neighborhood for 3 years with M4’s and m16’s slung over there shoulder killing civilians you might be a bit more sympathetic .. I think its a very credible subject when dealing with argumentative warmongers ..However your correct that this is a football blog . Not a politics’s forum .. But its credibility to the mud slingers who would rather argue fruitless points. And keep every debate painful to read ! Its in there blood and proves a very valid point ….

  207. aman -carlo

    yes id like to think it will happen but the truth is it wont !

    he has too many players sitting in the wings . vela is joining us and walcott pushing for more time .. and senderos !

    i wouldnt hold your breath ..
    then you have traore and gibbs and the list goes on !
    when will they play ? when will they revolt ?
    If your plan comes to fruition then we need to seriously sell 90 % of arsene’s project !

  208. happy you re still here ethan_goon.. Since you interpreted my earlier comments better than i could have myself i realized you must a freakin college prof at MIT or something. You sound like pleats who loves to twist stuff.

    After your trophy hungry fangs just fell short of accusing the club of failure now you try to interpret me as a fan who is happy with 1-2 passes and goal pretense. You think i dont get frustated when i see all the pretty football without the goals. I was just trying to make the positive by bringing out our best. But nice to know it just appeared as slant to you. We have always been a successful club over the years and we always will be.

    Ok ill be quick and short with you.

    You want wingers. Not gonna happen. The current team does not play that way. Our full backs are our wingers. Period. I would like a defender with stronger aerial ability. Not gonna happen. Wenger like defenders who are comfortable on the ball and will always keep players capable of playing in 2 positions or more. You want better strikers. We have them. One’s injured the other hasnt hit form yet.

    A leg break, a quartet of bad decisions and ade’s and hleb’s loss in form has hit us bad.

    I understand all this is depressing but the comments that our bench isnt good is a bit over the top for me. Most Gooners were ecstatic with our carling cup exploits for the last few seasons. Now we re crap. I accept we dont have a nani/ballack/babel to bench. Our bench does blow hot and cold but so does theirs.

    A couple of injuries, decisions and a bad run and we stick the knife into arsene’s policy. I dont think so.

    You guys sound like Gallas’s detractors. Mid season with 3 important goals he was captain perfect. With silly tantrum and bad form he is now to be thrown off next season.

    Waiting for your next insult.