Fantasy Football, Disney Style

A brief one this morning, time is against me. The North London Derby edges ever closer as players talk of bragging rights, titles and goodness knows what else of little or relevance at all.

However, both clubs are acutely aware that there will be tension should Emmanuel Adebayor recover his fitness in time. Rightly they are appealing to fans to take responsibility and end the racist element of the chanting. Hopefully the clubs will acknowledge that neither set of supporters are angels with Tottenham equally as capable of such chants as they have proven in recent seasons. As Johnny Rotten said, “No-one is innocent“.

Arsène is taking a hard line with the Arsenal players, ensuring that they are entirely focussed on the matter at hand. That included banning Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain from a Disney photoshoot.

Reports from insiders suggest that when told that Disney were Mardy, Narky, Lairy, Bolshy, Stroppy, Tetchy and Snoop Doggy over the whole affair, Arsène responded that he was pleased that they were updating the story but he really didn’t care what the Seven Dwarfs thought of his decision.

Disney and Arsenal have been in quite close contact recently judging by reports in this morning’s Daily Telegraph. The newspaper some of you will recall introduced Fantasy Football to the wider footballing public and it seems they are intent on playing this game in full view of the readership. “Described as between £50m and £100m” could apply to anything that has been said over recent days. The AST, Mirror and other websites have mentioned the lower of those two figures; Steve Stammers’ Sunday Mirror column mentioned £57m which can be indeed be described as between £50m and £100m.

In short it is nothing new. But.

The source of story – aside from Wilson’s vivid imagination – appears to be someone in the KSE camp or of the board’s acquaintance. It is this aspect of football speculation that grates the most; the unnamed board / owner source. This type of story raises expectations of a Summer spree, something we know is not going to happen. It is not Wenger’s style; happily, he is getting cut-price instruction from Wilson whose sizeable knowledge of the game stretches to Stephane Sessignon of Sunderland for up to £10m although of course tabloid knowledge hints that there is a £3.5m fee.

Those increased expectations torment; they push the blame to the manager, away from the board. It is the manager’s fault that we don’t spend money in the transfer window, as well portraying themselves as careful but benevolent benefactors. There is enough pressure on the manager without this blame-shifting exercise. Still, at least KSE are reading more discerning newspapers than the Daily Star.

That’s your lot for today. Over on Arsenal On This Day, a League Cup semi-final defeat to contend with.

’til Tomorrow.

Posted on February 23, 2012, in Arsenal, Football, Premiership, Soccer and tagged , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 298 Comments.

  1. First???

  2. Surely not?

  3. Waiting for news on Kos more than anything Yogi. U got any?

  4. That’s why I never play! Only end up disappointed…….

    Should be an electric atmosphere this Sunday with or without Adebayor.

    It is such an cliche – but the first 15 minutes are critical. We have to come out the traps at an electrifying pace.

  5. YW – Turning attentions to Sunday, and quite right too. This game (again) is going to be huge. Arsene is already under increasing pressure from certain elements of the support; should we fail to turn up on Sunday this will go into overdrive I fear. I have no real thoughts on the game other than I hope to god (a phrase, not a genuine hope ;)) that we get all 3 points.

    Szchezny

    Sagna
    Kos
    TV5
    Gibbs

    Song
    Arteta
    Rosicky

    AOC
    RvP
    Gervinho

    Sub: Fabianski/Djourou/Ramsey/Theo/Chamakh/Benayoun/AA

  6. Matt Scott and Luke Edwards have the byline there Yogi. Interesting though that you think the journalists made it up. Do you not think that someone inside Arsenal is trying to spin some “positive” news?

  7. Luke – Agreed about the pace. I always say that you can tell which Arsenal have turned up 10mins into the game. Fast tempo and we are normally OK. Hesitant and it is going to be a long 90mins.

    For me one our recent traits has been the lack of speed in which we get the ball to our wide men in the final 3rd. This an area in which Manure excell. Within seconds of winning the ball one of their wide mean is running at his full back. If we can do that we will cause them real problems.

  8. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/feb/23/manchester-city-hulk-unsporting-porto?CMP=twt_gu

    Bloody ridiculous, sometimes I think it might be better to shut down football and start fresh from the beginning.

  9. Lew1234

    You’ll note I didn’t entirely dismiss the club’s involvement – hence the mini-rant against board spinning the problem onto the manager’s back.

  10. from yeaterdays entry.
    SA Gooner | February 23, 2012 at 10:13 am

    AW isnt the problem, but to say that he hasnt brought some problems on board is far from the truth. Is he not the one that offers bigger contracts to players that play at a lower level when compared to players that earn less while playing at a higher level?

    At some point in time, you need to stop blaming everyone else for the issues we have. City have built their team on overspending, same as Chelsea. but does that excuse the fact that we are spending more that we should ideally be doing when it comes to wages on players that have not come good in ages?

    AW has money, he could invest in a player worth 20 million if he wanted (and tried to do with Reina), but for the better part, he uses those funds to improve contracts without an improvement in the team. That is the one thing i hold against him. do i want us to win things? Absolutely (and i am yet to see a fan that doesn’t), but not at all costs and have stated that on numerous occasions.

    “You dont understand at all”………………that is the statement you started out with. Further from the truth.

    as for not being a decent fan? Who the hell is a decent fan? the one that sits and is ok with the way things are? Our wage bill is at its highest while we have a squad that is weaker than any AW has ever had? We have been in decline for quite some time, a team like Newcastle that was in the Championship a few years ago is now our competitor for a top 4 place, a team with 40% lower wage bill than us is ten points ahead of us not by luck, but due to the fact that they have a better team playing better football. for me a great fan is one that finds that middle ground, sees the positives (fantastic manager, some fantastic players, Living within our means) and sees the negatives (disproportionate wage bill when it comes to performance, declining results each passing season, dilution of talent each passing season)

    spare me the tripe.

    YW, we wont spend unless we unload some players, it been like that for ages. As for you last post, i personally dont get what you were getting at. for me Frimpong went overboard because someone gave reasons as to why he thought AW was not the man for the job. fans will always have different views, some united fans want Fergie out because he doesnt want to get a midfielder nor change their style of play to have more play at the center of the pitch. people will always have different views, its life

  11. “Who the hell is a decent fan?”

    That must be the simplest question of all.

    One who is a fan of his/her club. End of.

  12. lew – Heh, what a joke. How precious.

  13. Ya very sorry there, read in haste etc., It is silly though Arsene Wenger would never spend a £100m(even if Arsenal had it) and why anyone in the club would want to heap more pressure is beyond me. Maybe because Club level renewals went out this week(or go out next week not sure)? But hard to believe anyone would fall for it, stories like this have been coming out similar to this for 5 or 6 years.

  14. goonerandy

    Its insane, City fans are mildly amusing and Porto react like that trying to bluff their way out of racism allegations, pathetic tit for tat stuff from them, pathetic

  15. Cbob,

    Don’t settle for being a decent fan, go for a great fan. I did, it’s great being a great one. You should try it. No wait, there’s a seat with your name on it. Cool.

  16. Well, apart from ‘laters’.

  17. Porto need to get some perspective those chants were nothing sinister fans will always find funny ways to taunt opposition players as long as it doesn’t get political, racial or religious I say fair game.

  18. Silver – Don’t forget orientation. That seems to be the new gimick.

  19. The saddest story in football is that City have accepted the apology from Tevez

  20. Andy @ 10:30
    I can only see the front three being Gervinho, VP and Theo.

    And if we do play that back 4 I hope to god they’ve had more practice playing together, especially Gibbs and Vermaelen. I also hope the whole team have been shown the Sunderland match again to remind them what a team pressing and putting pressure on the ball looks like.

    Don’t mean to sound negative. I think we should get a result on Sunday.

  21. George – I am sure that the apology is genuine. I am sure it is nothing to do with the fact that he didn’t get his move in the transfer window.

  22. Can’t have everything, Steww.

  23. Markus – You are probable right, I would imagine Theo will start. That team is what I wanted.

  24. Szchezny
    Sagna
    Kos
    TV5
    Gibbs
    Song
    Arteta
    Rosicky
    AOC
    RvP
    Gervinho

  25. Acryllic Altair | February 23, 2012 at 10:04 am

    ON YOUR POINT (B)

    You can have whatever view/opinion you want, just like morgan….but said opinion must be derived by a thought process, a logic, and must be objective and fair. More importantly if the opinion wants to hold value it must be made by someone who has the qualifications (knowledge) to make them

    Piers Morgan and yourself are not qualified to offer opinions on football subjects. Is that difficult for you to comprehend ?

    its like me offering an opinion on formula2 aerodynamics ? wtf do i know about it? wtf do you know about football? just because you watch it ? ….lol…

    You and Morgan aint got a clue about how football works, and both of you aint got a clue about the cmplicated nature of arsenal;s finances.

    You are fans…and fans are biassed, You are fans who view football as an escape. You are fans who live different lives and view football as an escape from your routines. If this escape dont make you happy you will complain. Babies also cry when they aint happy.

    seriously i expect a counter from you on this ………. do you understand the above ? if you do you will never ever ever consider offering an opinion or expecting us to take the opinions of an espresso newspaper editor and some retaded talent show presenter on football matters.

    opinions are like arseholes…everyones got one ….and they all stink..unless coming out an experienced and knowledgable butt ….

    is that simple enough for you ? do you object it? DO YOU GET IT ? 😉

  26. Just out of curiosity, it’s a quiet morning you understand, what, exactly, comes out of “..an experienced and knowledgable butt.”?

    I understand that ‘butt’ is American for arse so an ” experienced and knowledgable” arse is, what, exactly?

  27. Has laters been posting today?

  28. If people have not seen the highlights of the reserves you should look and understand why Arshavin should play

    Reserve highlights

    http://www.videofy.me/arsenalfc/407890

  29. hey ezio ..do you understand that WE ARE ALL TOO SMALL ( in mind , age , knowledge) to critisisise the work of professionals who ve been applying their trade more years than we are alive ?

    do you understand that in terms of football knowldge and experience piers morgan is the equivellant of a paris hilton?

    would you listen to paris hilton’s opinion about nasa;s space programms too ?

    LOL……i wont let you rest …..

  30. Acrylic: Since we are double posting from yesterday, my reply again.

    You are perceived here to not be a decent fan, not just because your analysis is poor and your remedies trite, you are not a decent fan because you are not loyal to what Arsenal is and stands for. Arsenal FC currently stands for a type of football and way of doing business which is the secret admiration of even detractors.

    You buy into (or invent) peddled crap that will almost certainly take Arsenal to a place where we do not want to be. As a football team and position in the League. Your ideas will not bring winning ways and your complaints (whether correct or not) do not begin to straddle the problems facing clubs at the moment.

    Not only do we have to beat the clubs that spend all this money, we have to beat other clubs around like the Tottenhots, while the spine of our team is cherry picked by Man-Sour. You forget, our players are chosen for a reason.

    It is the reason that I despise Nasri as a prostitute. Players like him don’t need the money, they shoot their own careers in the foot by signing for way over what they are worth anywhere else and they are destroying the game.

    This is about how we counter that.

  31. It is an arse that puts its own pants and trousers on, walks, sits and shits on its own, without the owner above it having to even think about it.

  32. I understand that ‘butt’ is American for arse so an ” experienced and knowledgable” arse is, what, exactly?

    a qualified one .

    not the one coming out of some irrelevant person who aint got a clue ….

  33. I like Hunter.
    Dont see why some on here don’t seem to.
    I understand well how some others would not.
    But all the good guys should .
    Unless of course his uses of language is unpalatable to you.I n which case I say Lol and PMSL to at you.

  34. I like Hunter too, George, despite his passion and colourful language.

    Or maybe because of.

  35. Each to their own George. His lack of respect for our past was all I needed to know.

  36. Does anyone know if Kos will be fit for sunday?

  37. By the way Georgecdid you notice where Arshaving was playing in that reserve match?

  38. 😉 PG ….

  39. “His lack of respect for our past was all I needed to know.”

    I can understand this point. What I cannot understand is the same people when pointed to AW’s record for Arsenal are told, “that’s all history, we’ve won FA for 7 years.”

  40. while your lack of respect for the achievements of the past 16 years isnt?

    sorry mate…..i was there when arsenal was finsihing 7th and 12th with no hope of beautiful football…i was there when we were taunted for “boring boring arsenal” …and i dont know about you …but when my team wins i want them to win with style..not like mourinho.

    yeah maybe merlots doesnt appreciate our past either ……

    if i have to get aggressive and mock the past a bit to remind you how special this wenger is for us , i will do it.

    and i dont care if i hurt a few…..im hurting a lot more watching all these cretins doubting critisising abusing and turning against the man resposnible for putting a fucking roof over our heads.

    sorry for my language yogi but some people just dont get it.

  41. Hunter – A genuine question; what mistakes do you think Arsene has made in his time at Arsenal? And especially in the past 4 or 5 years?

  42. while your lack of respect for the achievements of the past 16 years isnt?

    You see a hunter when you decide other peoples opinions and put words in there mouths you lose all credibility.
    Please don’t waste my time or any one else on here’s time engaging me. I don’t bother with your posts do me the same courtesy. You bore me to death.

  43. Right stick with me here y’all I know this long but this is my skinny on the Piers Morgan thing…

    There is a decent amount of reason when it comes to suggesting it would be better for the club if players did not get into public spats on Twitter. It’s a little unseemly (especially for a club with as much class as ours). That for me is where the line should be drawn on this subject – the management of players on Twitter is up to the club to enforce and dictate.

    That some fans have taken to siding with Piers Morgan is just plain wrong. If you know anything of the man, you would instinctively KNOW this is wrong.
    When the argument happened Morgan was in the process of the latest on a long line of diatribes arguing for a change of manager, a point the world has now surely got? He claims to know for a FACT that the great percentage of fans are on his side, that Wenger has ‘lost it’ and so on.

    He is entitled to his opinion but his endless ‘soap-box’ use of Twitter, to force home his point, as though it is absolute gospel is deliberately fanning the flames of dissent. Some, like Acryllic, think this is good – perhaps because they are deluded to think this will illicit change. It won’t. Wenger will be given more time to amend this – finishing outside the top four won’t change that. But, Morgan’s words can have the effect of undermining the player’s faith in the manager and thus damage the club in the meantime.

    Many of our players have undying faith in their manager – perhaps some are starting to have doubts. The mind-games have started with Spurs fans planning to sing ‘we hope you stay’ at Wenger on Sunday, to further divide our supporters and club. To heap pressure on our embattled manager. We are fighting for fourth, facing up to an NLD and Piers is calling for the head of the manager. No good can come of that.

    Morgan is doing his utmost to make the situation worse – if we finish beneath fourth and players leave – Wenger will take almost all of the flak and shit stirrers like Morgan and Acryllic will champion that they were right all along. BUT you were part of the fucking problem – you are worse than the Spurs fans at least they are fighting FOR what’s best for the club right now.

    Frimpong started the spat but, true to his vile character, Morgan went on to accuse him of being disloyal for going to Wolves (WTF? Idiocy scarcely covers this. Was JW disloyal for going to Bolton?), then told Frim he wasn’t even good enough for the first team (pathetic comment).

    The man is 46 FFS. He should have shown maturity and recognised why an 18yo Arsenal Player who clearly has HUGE love for the club and for Wenger might feel defensive. I think Frimpong merely voiced the love many players feel about Wenger – “start on him and you start on me”. A bit like someone slagging off someone you love – it hurts more than anything they could ever say about you.

    This ‘fan’ has tried to restart the spat as well. Days after it happened we see him stirring for a fight. Because he used @Frimpong these messages go straight into Frimpong’s messages and TL. Did I mention Piers Morgan is 46?


    Right, off to the gym. Going to pretend my trainer is @Frimpong26AFC and give him a good hammering with the gloves.

    @Frimpong26AFC You were shockingly rude the other night. To a fan that pays your wages. I suggest you learn some humility. And how to spell.

    @Frimpong26AFC If only you were half as good on the pitch as you are with the cheap insults to #Arsenal fans, Frimpong. Pipe down, son.

    I’ll support #Arsenal until the day I die. Which given the way we’re playing, might be rather sooner than I hoped.

    Even worse he also started roping RVP into his poison directly – honestly how can this NOT be massively damaging as Wenger sits RVP down for a new contract?? He is basically in RVP’s ear saying Wenger is shit and that the players RVP is playing alongside are not good enough. That is almost the single worst thing a true Arsenal fan could do to our club.


    @GNev2 @persie_official Wenger’s been magnificent for us, but even Sir Alex couldn’t go 7rs without a trophy. It’s time for a new manager.

    I quite fancy becoming manager myself. First two actions: 1) Pay @Persie_Official whatever he wants to stay 2) Sell @Frimpong26AFC to Spurs.

    Thought for the day: How many current Arsenal players would have got in the Invincibles team? A. One. @Persie_Official #Progress

    Immature, vulgar and a clear attempt to get Frimpong to retaliate. Finally he also manages to cite the opinion of a psychopath, Scum Utd fan


    Roy Keane says this is the worst #Arsenal team he’s EVER SEEN, and I’m getting flak for suggesting a change in Manager? Ridiculous. #Arsenal

    It worries me that Frimpong has clearly got under Morgan’s skin too. Piers (what a cunty name) has shown capable of very nasty vendettas in the past and Frimpong could well find himself under increased media harassment and scrutiny. Based on similar past spats, Morgan is quite likely to get the media to target him and find dirt at any cost. Whether it is him or his family they will not care – reporters will hound, bins will be emptied and if they can get away with it phones tapped.

    I’ll finish here, YW sorry for the length (always a worry if you’re comment is longer than the post), but this whole subject REALLY upsets me and I felt merited deeper investigation. It’s taken up most of my morning! 😉

    Acryllic, read that shit through, is it not utterly indefensible? The fact that you have tried to side with Piers shows just how twisted your priorities are.

    You cannot side with this toxic scum and pretend to love our club and you should be ashamed for even trying.

  44. YW, can we expect a rendition of “Ti-yi-yi-yime, is on my side, yes it is” tomorrow? Brian Poole and the Tremeloes version if you don’t mind. I owned the LP as a child maybe 42 years back, and listened to it, oh, about a million times on Dad’s (much older) gramophone. Never remember a another song except the title tune, which never left.

  45. Jonny – Agreed 100%.

  46. With you On that one Jonny.

  47. Is Kos going to be fit for sunday?

  48. Now, Acrylic, old stick, “At some point in time, you need to stop blaming everyone else for the issues we have”. In one sentence, like genius, you have summed up the entirety of modern Arsenal, it’s plotters, diehards, village idiots and romantics, and the rest who populate its universe.

    The thing one could never blame anyone else for the issues we have. They are all of our own making. The stadium, training facilities, global fanbase, top tier team, CL 14 years running, unbeaten run (amongst many other records, some more recent than fans suspect), best era Arsenal has lived through in 110 years now 15 years running, respect, self-sufficiency, great bunch of lads on the field, style, grace, youth line-up to yearn for nicely in place, best striker in Europe, top defence (when fit admittedly), little or zero racism, decent manager, Nasri gone, Adebayor and Flamini too. I know it’s not perfect, nothing is in this world. But man, it’s damn fine.

  49. GA @11:53- why are you asking Hunter that? Isn’t the blogosphere sufficiently full of people pointing out his mistakes, slagging and moaning about him? Why try to encourage people here to be more negative? Of all your posts this one is possible the most baffling.

  50. Zimpaul at 12:08 just a post to die for. Absolutely perfect in every respect. Proper stuff from a proper fan.

  51. Hats off to Jonny. Soon someone will forget, though, and accuse you of being a spoilt false fan. Probably Hunter… Lol..!

    Live Frimps and we could use his aggression and fight for the cause on Sunday.

    Time to shelve the petty squabbles. How do we stuff Spuds? Whose going to be available?

    As far as the wings, I’d go with Theo and the Ox. They’ll be motivated as it is a derby and after the own goal, I’d give the Ox the chance to put it right immediately–he will smash a 25 yard arrow into the top right corner after dribbling past two Spuds and cutting inside to create the space and angle for the shot.

  52. Has anybody else noticed Mario Gotze seems to have a dormant fat gene.

    http://football-talk.co.uk/59879/arsenal-transfer-news-wenger-wants-55m-german-pair/

    My worry is when he gets injured. Within a couple of months he will start looking like Tomas Brolin’s salad dodging brother.

  53. Autocorrect$&@!?&. Love Frimps and who’s available.

  54. Colin

    I’d have said no-one knows which is why you didn’t get the response to your question when it was posed at 11.43 and 12.05

  55. Steww – Yeah, I thought that might read not as I quite meant it. For me Hunter seems to think that Arsene is 100% faultles in all areas. This makes all of his arguments (which he can make some decent points) worthless as they are not objective. If he could sometimes “take a step back” and look at things I think he would come across better.

    Everbody bar none makes mistakes. Refusing to accept this is plain stupid. Heh, what is in my head often ends up disorted once I have typed and clicked “post”.

  56. Well hunter13, you need to think before you hit the reply button. Look at the post you are trying to make, is it disproportionately aggressive to the original point. If I reacted to people that way, well, the spam bin would be overflowing. In fact, there would probably be less than a dozen people commenting. Hmmmm…..

    As for mocking the past. I don’t understand your point, you lose me and to be honest, get my back up.

  57. GA – we will never see eye to eye on this. Who the fuck needs ‘objective’ supporters? We support, get behind, defend, back up, stand shoulder to shoulder in the face of our enemies. We don’t nit pick about faults and do the enemy’s work for him by publicly dissecting the ‘faults’ of our manager. It has nothing to do with being a fan or supporter.

  58. There’s an “is” in there somewhere. Sorry YW.

    The idea of “Disney” and “Arsenal” in the same sentence, page, or thought process will not compute in my mind (they are actually on opposite sides of the brain) or digest in my stomach (indigestable). It has in fact already been ejected and is parachuting into a lost world of hallucinations and demons, never to be heard of again.

    Disney is to Arsenal what american wrestling is to a violin concerto. They just don’t go.

  59. Steww – Fair enough, and I do agree to a point. We should always be 100% behind the side, I am totally on board with that and do so. But when discussing aspects on the club (what else is a comments section of a very good blog for?) amongst other like minded fans what is wrong with being objective?

    I want what is best for Arsenal Football Club, and am not blind to things when they ar going wrong. IMO there is nothing wrong with discussing these things on an niternet forum. And discussion would be very bland and shallow if people were not objective. In fact, they would barely qualify as discussions at all.

  60. Thank you for replying Yogi, you are very kind.

    That is why I must admit that it is me, James the spud. I feel guilty now because you replied.

    My next post was going to be ‘What about Dickov? Is Dickov fit?’

    Childish – Yes. Pointless – Yes. Am I bored shitless – Yes.

  61. support
    [suh-pawrt, -pohrt]   Origin

    verb (used with object)
    1.
    to bear or hold up (a load, mass, structure, part, etc.); serve as a foundation for.
    2.
    to sustain or withstand (weight, pressure, strain, etc.) without giving way; serve as a prop for.
    3.
    to undergo or endure, especially with patience or submission; tolerate.
    4.
    To publicly criticise. To be objective and balanced. To give up when things go wrong. To expect everything to go well and have the right to cry like a baby when it doesn’t.

  62. Hello James. Boy have we missed you. Seriously – your posts are like a breath of fresh air compared with some of the Arsenal ‘fans’ we’ve had to endure. And Yogi assures us that we only see the best stuff, the real dross never sees the light.

  63. Objectivity assumes that you have all relevant information available to you and that you have the ability and skill to interpret and process it. That can never be the case in this instance.

  64. You are a star btw, Zimpaul. But I think that you know that I think that.

  65. I just can’t understand why any Arsenal supporter would not stand beside Emmanuel Frimpong.

  66. I enjoyed Amy Lawrence’s piece on George Graham in the new Araenal anthology Paddy Got Up. Seems like there are several good pieces on Arsenal history from a fan perspective.

    Some on here might find it edifying. One point that has come up about whether Arsenal was well known globally until AW, who has obviously taken the club to another level. Might do to recall that there are Arsenal influenced and named clubs all over the world because in the 1930’s Arsenal was synonymous with class and innovation in football thanks to the great Herbert Chapman.

  67. GA I suppose the point is it’s in public. When the club is so under attack from all sides it’s beholden on all of us to stand firm and render mutual support. Opinions are so polarised that we end up using increasingly extreme language. I feel the need to be an ultra positive supporter simply because the extremity and quantity of criticism pushes me farther and farther from ever offering criticism myself.
    What good does it actually do? Other than add to the mood of dissatisfaction which is then reported by the media which in turn heaps more pressure on the players and encourages the boo boys in the stadium.

  68. Hello Steww, just thought id pop in and wish you all good luck for sundays match. I really hope you play well and win, and it kick starts your season………..

  69. Thanks to the great Henry Norris

  70. Steww 100%. Both about fans and re: Zim’s post.

    PG. You are just so……fickle, in your declarations.

  71. I agree with Frank. Now I’m off back to work.

  72. Steww – Very nice. But to take things a step further, it really depends what you concentrate your support on I suppose. If we want the best for Arsenal Football Club then (for me at least) everythig else invovled becomes secondary. An example to try and illustrate my point:

    If it became really evident that Arsne was no longer for the job (not the case at the moment IMO, just using this as an example) there is nothing wrong with questions being asked of him. I feel certain elements would never tolerate this at all and would tell people to “get behind the club”. Which is exactly what they are doing. The club comes above the manager and the players. Always.

    I support the club. Not the manager. Not the players. Obvisouly you get behind both in your support of the club however.

    As it goes I am a huge Arsene Wenger fan and still firmly belive that he is the man to take us forward. If the day comes where I no longer believe this to be the case I will be more than happy for him to leave. I would never boo him or chant about it in the ground, but on places like here I don’t see why I would not say so.

    I realise that probably makes no sense at all 🙂

  73. Hunter – A genuine question; what mistakes do you think Arsene has made in his time at Arsenal? And especially in the past 4 or 5 years?

    1) Giving the armband to cesc
    2) Not punching the linesman who gave him red for kicking a bottle
    3) Not issuing a media blackout
    4) Being too nice to the fans

  74. I think you are a star too, Steww

  75. Henry Norris, yes!

  76. Steww – “GA I suppose the point is it’s in public. When the club is so under attack from all sides it’s beholden on all of us to stand firm and render mutual support. Opinions are so polarised that we end up using increasingly extreme language. I feel the need to be an ultra positive supporter simply because the extremity and quantity of criticism pushes me farther and farther from ever offering criticism myself.
    What good does it actually do? Other than add to the mood of dissatisfaction which is then reported by the media which in turn heaps more pressure on the players and encourages the boo boys in the stadium.

    Yup, all fair points. I just see somewhere like here as a “safe” enviroment to discuss my thoughts good or bad about the club. I certainly don’t air my negative thought with other supporters.

  77. I think the twitter thing will only last another year, before all the clubs get together and ban players from being on it.

    All it does is cause trouble, give food to the tabloids, and satisfy the players inflated ego’s.

  78. Nowhere is safe, goonerandy, not whilst rats like Morgan are about

  79. We were vilified by doomers on here several years ago for suggesting that blogs and now tweets are read by players, and the press and media.

  80. Interestingly the same people said that RvP would never make it.

  81. Hunter – Cheers for the response.

    I honestly believe one of Arsene’s best traits has also bit him on the backside if I am bing honest. He shows unwaivering loyalty to his players, I think we can all agree on that.

    For me, some of the players have really let Arsene down in the past 6 years. I really do. The main mistakes Arsene has made is by being too loyal to certain players and perhaps mis-judging some of their mental attributes. Some call is stubborness, and that is true to a point. All great managers are stubborn though.

    I think the buys he made this summer were an indication that this mis-placed loyalty has started to dawn on him. This season was always going to be difficult. Hopefull at the end of it we will still be in a decent enough shape to give him the platform to add what is needed (and hopefull what he can now see) to the side.

  82. …that is why the doomer blogs are so toxic and why their writers and contributors should be driven out of the club

  83. Piers Morgan should have his season tickets taken away from him. Now.

  84. Reading Morgan’s tweets, it’s pretty obvious he’s the smartest man in the world. He manages to offer political advice on an election he can’t vote in. He offers great advice to rich billionaire football club owners how they should run their club. He talks about a humanitarian crises in Syria. He tells professional football players how to play as well as telling professional managers how to manage their team.
    Judging from all this I would say he is the greatest man alive.

  85. See there’s an example. You just made all of that up, Goonerandy.

  86. Jonny – thanks for the post on Frimpong.

    I have solely rely on others to understand twitter exchanges (despite apparently being on it?) Regardless, its alien to me and you highlighted Morgan perfectly.

    A vile little snake.

    What a scumbag.

    I love Frimpong. In fact, I’m getting his shirt next season. Has some good old fashioned spirit inside him.

  87. Frank – “See there’s an example. You just made all of that up, Goonerandy

    You will have to expand on that. I don’t get your point.

  88. GA – neither did I but I suspect it refers to your opinion that AW is becoming aware of the disloyalty of some former players.

  89. Zim

    ‘Disney is to Arsenal what american wrestling is to a violin concerto. They just don’t go.’

    I was with you up to that point, you think it is Micky Mouse, but it is more High School Musical.

    A rock Opera where a big fat Russian Billionaire (who happens to wrestle a bit) comes in to rescue a poor deluded club that thinks it can beat the evil Sheik and his harem of footballers with just garlic and ballet practice.

    In the finale, Whitney Houston (pre-Bobby Brown) accompanied by Hannah Montana and a thousand violins is the soundtrack to the final body slam of ‘Blobbynov the destroyer’ as he smears the oily sheik all over the directors car park of the Etihad stadium. Putting those muslims in their place once and for all.

    A story born in the good old USA about how sometimes you have to resort to violins.

  90. Well hunter13, you need to think before you hit the reply button. Look at the post you are trying to make, is it disproportionately aggressive to the original point. If I reacted to people that way, well, the spam bin would be overflowing. In fact, there would probably be less than a dozen people commenting. Hmmmm…..

    As for mocking the past. I don’t understand your point, you lose me and to be honest, get my back up.

    And people need to think before critisisng arsene wenger and comparing arsenal with city chelsea and manure ……

    Well Yogi, if people want to return to a mentality of thuggery and going for the 1-0 with boring football then im 100% against it, and whoever promotes something like that will find me in front of him telling him …”was it really better? really?” ..and laugh in his face.

    Mourinho wins trophies too…..you want him at arsenal ?

    And if some people think arsenal was winning 3 trophies per year then they go read Merlot;s post of two days ago….

    Historical data give me every right to mock the past IN FORNT OF THOSE MOANERS when people want to present a 16 continous reign in top places of domestic and european football as a step backwards. 🙂

    Did arsenal have a 450 investment to consider back in the 5Os 60s, 70s 80s 90s ? No we didnt. So how come our success were isolated incidents…a spell here a ..spell there… What was stopping the club back then? What was holding us back?

    Yet know in our times where Arsenal has to consider a 450m investment (our new house ffs) people are making a lot of noise for nothing.

    From ’53 to ’88 …thats 35 years …… in that period we won one double and an fa cup in 79…and a league cup in 87…..not exactly real madrid 😉 …

    i rest my case……

  91. For me, some of the players have really let Arsene down in the past 6 years.

    I agree ..but i cant blame him for having faith in his players …..

  92. Excellent posts Jonny and ZP. We can probably stop the blog there today.

    I like it that james is back too. The Arsenal loving spud that he is.

  93. We understand your case hunter. Your wild swings at the doomers happen to connect quite often with others who share your regard for Wenger and what he has achieved but don’t share the contempt you show for our history.

    Respecting, and enjoying, our past does not preclude supporting Arsene in his work.

    1930, 1953, 1967, 1990, 2011 – doesn’t matter the year or whether we won a cup, the league or nothing. It’s still our club, it’s still Arsenal.

  94. The thing one could never blame anyone else for the issues we have. They are all of our own making. The stadium, training facilities, global fanbase, top tier team, CL 14 years running, unbeaten run (amongst many other records, some more recent than fans suspect), best era Arsenal has lived through in 110 years now 15 years running, respect, self-sufficiency, great bunch of lads on the field, style, grace, youth line-up to yearn for nicely in place, best striker in Europe, top defence (when fit admittedly), little or zero racism, decent manager, Nasri gone, Adebayor and Flamini too. I know it’s not perfect, nothing is in this world. But man, it’s damn fine.

    well said ! i just highlight this best era by reminding the past

    some take it as an attack to the club or a sign of disrespect…thats their choice…

    it wasnt me who said we are going backwards …….. it want me saying we are underachieveing.. it wasnt me setting unrealistic targets for a club that never had them to begin with …..

    for more than 6 decades this club was even less than mediocre …and in the last 16 years it belongs in the elite and we havent won sh*t the last 7…yet we are 5th in terms of wealth , we have our own stadium and a brand of football style that makes us all proud when its efficient.not to mention it breaks record. Dont worry, it will become efficient again. It is different when your tactics are played out by world cup winners and quite different when played out by 17 and 21 yearolds.

  95. It’s funny Bob I used to despise his visits but now he provokes a warm nostalgic glow.

  96. We certainly have had trophy droughts in the past. But we were still the 3rd most successful club in England with one of the biggest bases of support. We had a modest record in Europe but were denied a chance in Europe because of Heysel, weren’t we, after probably the most memorable title winning game in the history of the English top flight.

    This has been a great club for a long, long time and I don’t see any point to an Arsenal supporter denigrating, diminishing or insulting it. It is not necessary to do in order to highlight our greatest manager’s fantastic achievements.

  97. you support the club whether they win 1-0 and play ugly or we lose 4-0 and play beautiful. As fans we dream of the greatest manager managing a collection of players that fit perfectly into his system and then having a manager that makes all the perfect moves in a match that leads us to victory even in the most dire of situations. We dream of winnning trophies and championships and dream of beautiful stadiums like the Emirates where we can sing, chant and cheer loudly for the red and white of Arsenal and scorn and yell at anybody else. As fans of Arsenal, you should support Arsene Wenger no matter if you feel he is perfect for the job or the has lost it(not saying he has at all). You should support the players that put on the Arsenal shirt whether it be JD and his mistakes or RVP and his greatness.

    Yes, its your right to criticize and wish for better its called free speech but at teh same time its also your right to not be a complete doomer, idiot, crazy, c**t, non-factual moron that we see on a everyday basis.

    As an Arsenal Football Club fan, i will cheer in victory, i will drink heavily and throw stuff in defeat but i will never stop supporting the manager and the players. We have the Spuds on Sunday and that’s whats most important, coming out with a strong lineup playing fast free and fluid in attack and defending like there isn’t a tomorrow. We get 3 points and we not only beat the Spuds but we retain 4th and that is what matters.

  98. Manager and players are a reflection of Arsenal. Victories, draws, and defeats are forgotten and lost over time…..but character is permanent.

  99. Indeed, Hunter, you do rest your case. But not the one that you think.

  100. C | February 23, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    now we’re talking ! well said!

  101. You were not being objective, GA, but you claimed to be just that.

  102. This has been a great club for a long, long time and I don’t see any point to an Arsenal supporter denigrating, diminishing or insulting it. It is not necessary to do in order to highlight our greatest manager’s fantastic achievements.

    i aint talking about that though

    im talking specifically about trophies…..thats the stick the modern arsenal fan beats wenger with.

    im talking about the perception in some who think they can taunt wenger or ARSENAL for not winning anything the last 7….

  103. @hunter

    you speak truth !

  104. and since this club has never had it better … (something all logical people can identify and agree to) any talk about returning to past mentalities is false and will be ridiculed from me at least.

  105. Yogi i understand what you mean….its my internet etiquette that upsets you probably .. 🙂

  106. If we have to have James back, why can’t we have Gainsbourg?

    Innocent! Serge Gainsbourg is innocent I say! Free le soixante neuf.

  107. I don’t see how pointing out the reality of what was ,is showing a total disrespect for our past.
    This club is ,in the main because of Arsene Wenger’s vision and genius,operating on a different Tier to that which is was previously.And because of the prudence(I don’t want to come over all Gordon Brown here)shown is the last eight years ,it is likely to maintain that position for decades to come.
    Anyone suggesting that Arsene has simply done what others before him have done are quite frankly stupid.He has laid new foundations not simply built on a conservatory.

  108. Serge is a political prisoner of that there can be no doubt.

  109. your all morons on here especially the ones that think being a good fan is supporting the management.What made a good german in ww2. just support your team why are you arguing over who the best fan is, on one side abuse toward the club, on the other hand laughable and stubborn support from the kids who sit at the front of the class. there are few on here who can actualy have a decent debate about all things Arsenal,i would love to but i wont waste my time even reading anymore following my post cause i know some outraged individual will just say im not a fan or im in denial, and what i dont read is your empty venim, which makes me laugh out loud. ha

  110. Dada..der..da.da.da.da. daaaah.dada…dada..der..da..daaaaah.. da.da.daaaah…

  111. Fuck off, boomer

  112. YW – “GA – neither did I but I suspect it refers to your opinion that AW is becoming aware of the disloyalty of some former players.

    Not so much disloyalty, but I don’t think some of them have paid him back for his loyatly in them.

    Hunter – “I agree ..but i cant blame him for having faith in his players

    Here is the thing. Whilst admirable (the amount of loyalty), it has been to the detriment of the club to a point. Whilst I do believe that most of the blame lies with the players, that is where I would lay some of hte blame with the manager.

  113. Frank – “You were not being objective, GA, but you claimed to be just that

    Your post makes no sense in relation to what I posted Frank. The fact that I said I belived that some players have let him down is being pretty objective I think. It is hardly a sweeping blanket statement.

  114. Not sure I care to be called Nazi.
    Anyhow,that Rommel seemed a decent chap.Looked a lot like James Mason too.Although he turned out to be a vampire in the end.

  115. @ hunter13

    First, let me say that I like (most of) what you post. Your avatar seems very appropriate!

    I’m a bit puzzled by your post earlier today:

    You can have whatever view/opinion you want, just like morgan….but said opinion must be derived by a thought process, a logic, and must be objective and fair. More importantly if the opinion wants to hold value it must be made by someone who has the qualifications (knowledge) to make them

    Piers Morgan and yourself are not qualified to offer opinions on football subjects. Is that difficult for you to comprehend ?

    its like me offering an opinion on formula2 aerodynamics ? wtf do i know about it? wtf do you know about football? just because you watch it ? ….lol…

    By your statement, it seems you are effectively saying that none of the opinions we voice hold any value because (as far as I’m aware) none of us have any experience comparable to those in charge at the club. Perhaps I’m misinterpreting it, and what you really mean is what you wrote in the first sentence, “said opinion must be derived by a thought process, a logic, and must be objective and fair.” Personally, I see a lot of value in many of the opinions voiced on here, not only by YW and OOU, but also by those who comment.

  116. hunter13 | February 23, 2012 at 11:15 am

    “… if the opinion wants to hold value it must be made by someone who has the qualifications (knowledge) to make them…”

    Which renders every opinion you’ve ever had, as well as all opinions on this blog comments section ever (unless Mr. Wenger is on here covertly), utterly invalid. Do you ever think before you post??

  117. Andy ,now look what you have done.
    To the bin with him Yogi ,He is a Luddite.

  118. Oh come on Billy ,you know very well who he was shooting at.And it was not you or anyone else who has a decent grasp on the game.

  119. YW – Sorry 😦

  120. i feel as though Arsene is being beaten as of late due to his own successes as a manager. In the early years of his leadership he was exceptional, bringing in a style of attack, a style of players that was alsmost brand new to England and he was successful at it while building arguably one of the greatest teams of all-time in the Invincibles and that was the standard that AW set for himself and that he is judged by. We have seen him put together teams that for that season time and again were the most talented in the EPL only to see them come up short but we still supported. Thus i feel is the problem, AW is a victim of his own success and when trophies don’t come it takes a true Arsenal fan to stay and keep cheering and believing in AW the leader of Arsenal.

    Thus the problem with success and brillance consistently over time is that we dont appreciate it because we are accustomed to it. When we are accustomed to it we then want more and more and for the brillance and success to grow and become absolute greatness everytime out but what we dont account for realistically is that things happen that tend to hinder the consistent greatness i.e. injuries or contracts not being honored.

  121. Oh come on Block 4 ,you know very well who he was shooting at.And it was not you or …………………………oh hang on ,it might have been.Sorry I will keep my nose out.

  122. Bold move, GA.

  123. That’s what you get for being a smarty pants poster Andy.

  124. OOU – Touche 🙂

    Hunter – There is no doubt Arsene has elevated this club, but this:

    for more than 6 decades this club was even less than mediocre

    really is garbage.

  125. Hunter – “I agree ..but i cant blame him for having faith in his players”

    Here is the thing. Whilst admirable (the amount of loyalty), it has been to the detriment of the club to a point. Whilst I do believe that most of the blame lies with the players, that is where I would lay some of hte blame with the manager.

    Well, lets put it this way. Having faith in walcott who is still only 22 or 23 or whatever is not wrong. Having faith in almunia or rosicky who are past their 30s is not right.

    However, we know the reasons why wenger has had to keep these almunias and rosickys….. and it aint becuase he has faith in them…its just to make the numbers.

  126. Hunter – Lets take Almunia (as you have suggested).

    It seemed to me that Almunia got his chance as No1 keeper as almost a rite of passage after being No2 for a few years. You suggested the other day that we would have had to spend £20M to improve on Almunia which is an amazing claim.

    He is a good exmaple of when Arsene has got it wrong with loyalty to his players. We could have easily gotten in a better keeper than Almunia without breaking he bank. I honestly don’t believe that that is a point which even merits debate it is so blatently obvious.

    Was Almunia as bad as the pantomine villan he ended up being? Probably not. Was he good enough to be No1 goalkeeper at Arsenal Foortball club? Most definately not.

  127. Which renders every opinion you’ve ever had, as well as all opinions on this blog comments section ever (unless Mr. Wenger is on here covertly), utterly invalid. Do you ever think before you post??

    i dont offer opinions …i observe the club’s moves and draw conclusions. if i start offering my opinion on what i see in arsenal fans you will think im 666 personified.

    im not the one calling the pro who put a roof over our heads a past it and a has-been. im not the one who compeltely diregards the difficulties of moving stadiums.

    if you think youre at a level to critisise wengers and fergusons then good for you. i dont

    i may not LIKE ferguson or what he does but i can certainly NOT critisise his work.

    why cant you see the same in wenger ?

    if people dont LIKE what he is doing then they are free to walk out and not pay a ticket .

    saying stuff like “he doesnt know” , and that “he has lost it?” LOL…get serious please….

    and here is the big clue for you buddy ….”99% of opinion made on arsenal = expressing what i would LIKE to see”

    i

  128. Andy,
    “He is a good exmaple of when Arsene has got it wrong with loyalty to his players”
    You assume that Almunia got and held his place because Arsene showed him loyalty.I say you are stupid if you think that.
    I am not saying keeping Almunia as No.1 was not a mistake .But your idea of why he did it ,is frankly ridiculous.There would have been many much more weighted factors than misplaced loyalty.

  129. Just throwing it out there but we have a pretty big game on Sunday. Does anybody have any updates on Kos?

  130. Now you are at it george.

    “I don’t see how pointing out the reality of what was ,is showing a total disrespect for our past.
    This club is ,in the main because of Arsene Wenger’s vision and genius,operating on a different Tier to that which is was previously.And because of the prudence(I don’t want to come over all Gordon Brown here)shown is the last eight years ,it is likely to maintain that position for decades to come.
    Anyone suggesting that Arsene has simply done what others before him have done are quite frankly stupid.He has laid new foundations not simply built on a conservatory.”

    That’s just putting words into people’s mouths.

    I haven’t suggested that all Arsene has done has been done before, although there is some truth in that, the move to Highbury for instance.

    What Hunter does, apart from making one good point, is say on the one hand, ‘You’ve never had it so good’ and on the other, the moderrn Arsenal fan uses the lack of trophies to beat Wenger with.

    From that he draws the conclusion that, therefore, the past must be traduced.

    It’s been said, I’ll say it again. I’ve watched Arsenal since the 60’s and stood in the sun and rain watching good and bad football. I’ve seen successful seasons and poor ones. Great players and some distinctly average ones. It was still Arsenal though. I supported them whatever.

    If that argument stands against doomers, it stands against Hunter’s denigration of our history.

  131. As the Pope once said to some painter chap “when will there be an end?”

  132. Boom – boom, Boomer. You should be Basil Brush

    I hate to say eloquently put PG.

    Booms, if you had said supporting Churchill blindly while bombing with Allen you might have got to a point. Which would have been quickly undermined by your own drum beating, but you didn’t you chose to compare Arsenal to fucking Nazi’s you cunt.

  133. George – “You assume that Almunia got and held his place because Arsene showed him loyalty.I say you are stupid if you think that.
    I am not saying keeping Almunia as No.1 was not a mistake .But your idea of why he did it ,is frankly ridiculous.There would have been many much more weighted factors than misplaced loyalty.

    Then I am stupid.

    Why else? I don’t believe we could not find a better quality keeper. He wasn’t even in the top 10 keepers in our own lge, never mind the rest of Europe.

  134. He is a good exmaple of when Arsene has got it wrong with loyalty to his players. We could have easily gotten in a better keeper than Almunia without breaking he bank. I honestly don’t believe that that is a point which even merits debate it is so blatently obvious.

    Was Almunia as bad as the pantomine villan he ended up being? Probably not. Was he good enough to be No1 goalkeeper at Arsenal Foortball club? Most definately not.

    “We could have easily gotten in a better keeper than Almunia without breaking he bank.”

    i do not agree with that at all.

    wenger got lehman for 1 million……. i cant see why he would pay 5 or 6 or 7 for someone who is only marginally better than almunia (friedel shcwarzwer etc) if any better at all.

    why give money for something mediocre ?

    if youre gonna spend …..spend it on something that is worth it. and the keepers that are worth it do not cost 7 and 10 million, but a lot more than that. plus we are talking about a special position and no club will let go of their world class keeper just cause the arsenal fans are fed up watching almunia.

    almunia wasnt a bad goalkeeper , he was/is a pussy in the heart. But it will do for wenger for now cause wenger aint interested in having world class winners but building a squad of youngsters and do it on the cheap. he has a stadium to consider.

    sorry for repeating the stadium part..but i will keep repeating till it becomes second nature to you all… ;p

    usually , when clubs built stadiums…not only do they not see 4th and 3rd or champions league football…lol..they go to 2nd division for a while even……..

    i dont believe the arsenal fans have realised what a GIGANTIC commitment, investment and transition the club went through moving from higbury to emirates.

  135. Bob ,I don’t think he is denigrating any history.
    Nor am I.
    And my post was not aimed at you Bob.Although you seem to think it was for some strange reason.
    The “Arsenal was great before Arsene ” has to be tempered as “Arsenal was great before Arsene for me” if you want it to work outside our own fanbase.
    By your logic any fan of any club can and perhaps should say his club is great.

  136. It’s been said, I’ll say it again. I’ve watched Arsenal since the 60′s and stood in the sun and rain watching good and bad football. I’ve seen successful seasons and poor ones. Great players and some distinctly average ones. It was still Arsenal though. I supported them whatever.

    If that argument stands against doomers, it stands against Hunter’s denigration of our history.

    ok so you who has watched arsenal since the 60;s ….has the club had it any better then ?
    🙂 oh and one minute..just because i use the past trophy count to highlight the current doesnt mean i aint respectful of the past….. im looking at numbers here and the behaviours of the fans and they dont add up….they dont make any sense.

    i aint denigrating anything…it is others denigrating wenger;s reign.

    i will use it though ( the 35 years with only 4 trophies to show for it) because it proves my point…it favours my arguement and makes the mickey mouses crying about 7 look stupid….. 😉

  137. “goonerandy | February 23, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    Then I am stupid.”

    Ok, have it your way.

  138. PG – stay on the front foot lad.

    Don’t let a few a broken eggs spoil the omelette.

  139. Ok I am with Frank .
    Lets ban the winky things

  140. Hunter – “wenger got lehman for 1 million……. i cant see why he would pay 5 or 6 or 7 for someone who is only marginally better than almunia (friedel shcwarzwer etc) if any better at all.

    why give money for something mediocre ?

    if youre gonna spend …..spend it on something that is worth it. and the keepers that are worth it do not cost 7 and 10 million, but a lot more than that. plus we are talking about a special position and no club will let go of their world class keeper just cause the arsenal fans are fed up watching almunia

    See Hunter, here is my problems with your posts. You have assumed to make it almost fact that he can’t get a keeper without spending mega bucks, when that simply is not true at all. You mention Swarzter and Friedel; at that time both were much better than Almunia (specially Friedel).

    There were plenty of keepers out there better than Almunia and I find it hard to believe that we could not have gotten one. They may not have been Buffon or the like, but they would not have needed to be to improve on Almunia.

  141. And Boomer proves Godwin’s Law.

  142. Frank, No. End of discussion.

  143. Yes and no george.

    Yes, because all fans are a bit one eyed about their club. No, because we actually do have a successful history.

    No we haven’t won the European Championship but only 2 English clubs have a more succesful domestic record than we do.

    He does denigrate our history and he is confused about who he is attacking.

    By the way, if some other posters had said some of the things he has said about current Arsenal players on here they would have been turned on in no unceratin manner

  144. Hunter – Who will you support when Arsne does leave. If he ends up at another club wuill you support them instead. I say this because it seems to me to you an Arsene fan, not an Arsenal fan.

    i aint denigrating anything…

    Well saying that we were below mediocre for 6 decades is going some. Especially when you consider titles and cupes were won in that time. Sometimes even in the same season. Hardly mediocre is it?

  145. Anyway, jobs to do.

    Laters 🙂

  146. consolbob relax …..the good get burnt with the bad sometimes ……

    i see people trying to fry wenger. present him as a failure

    the worst comment ive seen is ” hes taken us as far as he could, we need someone else to take us to the next level”

    well guess what people…this level you all want arsenal to get to …..we were never there the previous 100 years…..

    so yes i will fry the past ….when we didnt have wenger, when we didnt have a stadium to consider, when we had all these “world class players” that we cant afford now …. 🙂

    back then …was it all in one place..was it all perfect…was arsenal the real madrid of england? was arsenal dominating like the cretins expect us to dominate now ?

    back then , without wenger…with all them super players and legends…what did arsenal achieve? some cups ? alegue here and a league there ? is that it?

    wow …….. yeah lets trash wenger instead..its his fault that arsenal was never in the same group of the juventus milans ajaxes byerns liverpools etc…its his fault entirely ..nothing to do with past regimes, management, ownership …

    do you now see where im getting at ?

  147. No one on here is crying Hunter. That’s the problem with your posts. You keep beating us all with a shovel after the idiots have gone.

    It seems to have skipped your atention that most posters here are actually Arsene supporters as well as Arsenal ones.

    We’ve been arguing against bloody doomers for years. One Arsenal, indivisible.

  148. Hunter – Who will you support when Arsne does leave.

    thats a very stupid question…

    i will turn my back on arsenal and start supporting ….newcastle 🙂 like a good old gloryseekah ….;)

    stupid questions deserve silly replies ….

  149. consolsbob | February 23, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    i aint beating you bob ..im beating the acryllics and the jabbas …..

    pg yogi aa can see what im doing …why cant you ?

  150. Bob,I get what you are saying,I do.
    But I get what he is saying too.
    Some of those claiming to be disgusted at his disrespect are some of the most disrespectful towards our current playing staff and indeed manager,on the blog.Clearly you are not one of them but be careful who you stand near.

  151. No. You are wrong Hunter.

    Dominate in England. Yes we did that in the ’30’s when my Granddad first took my Father to Arsenal. That’s why i’m as Arsenal fan today, like many others. We grew up with our proud history.

    Is Arsene taking us where we haven’t been before? Yes, I think so. Would I still support Arsenal if Graham was still manager? Yes.

  152. Well saying that we were below mediocre for 6 decades is going some. Especially when you consider titles and cupes were won in that time. Sometimes even in the same season. Hardly mediocre is it?

    yes of course ….4 trophies in 35 years is the envy of ac milan you see …….

    also without wanting to offend ….and this is certainly my own personal opinion. only the title of champion and the european trophies count as trophies worth winning and fighting for….

    the cups and the shields and the plates are for tennis…… 😉

  153. At the end of all this I want to make it clear that Bob has my uttermost respect and knows more of Arsenal and football than I ever will.

  154. Dominate in England. Yes we did that in the ’30′s

    now we have 2012 . thats 80 years dont forget …..

    so even the 6 decades i used..im still within target ..hehe …

  155. One could argue that this is not the golden era of the club.

    That probably was 1930 – 1950 (omitting the war years, 14 seasons). Arsenal won the title 6 times (5 times in 8 years), including 3 in a row something that no manager has ever come close to doing since. The FA Cup was won 3 times with 1 losing final. This in a time where there were only 2 trophies to win.

    Higbury was remodelled and rebuilt – some of it by the war, the East and West stands by choice.

    Just saying that if you’re going to build up the now, best to make sure the past doesn’t bite you on the arse in the process.

  156. I don’t stand anywhere near those idiots george. Shame you had to say it. Tell you what though, very few people who post here have absolutely no point in their arguments at all. Someone might be a complete fool but he can be can make a point sometimes that’s worthy of airing.

    Jabba’s gone. Acrylic isn’t here. Who is he attacking?

  157. I wonder if Lansbury will experience the same as Cleverly. Cleverly was farmed out for a long while before he suddenly reappeared last autumn at United. Now hes the greates midfielder in England according to Ferguson…

  158. Bob bad wording,I apologise unreservedly.

  159. Yogi’s Warrior | February 23, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    was football professional back then or as complicated as it is now?

    i dont think so ……

    and in any case ….my comment was for 53 to 88 ……… have you all missed that ?

    i havent even mentioned the chapman era ….

    if thats how far back we need to go to compare wenger’S current regime then i guess it proves my point for the in between 80 years of FAILURE, doesnt it ?

  160. As I said yesterday and today, how about we turn to Sunday’s game and our massive derby match? We should probably avoid fruitless wrangling right now when there is so much to be thinking about regarding Arsenal on the pitch. There has been quite a lot I would have offered on some of the points made over the last several days but frankly most of it isn’t terribly pressing in light of the big match.

    The new issues are what sort of squad do we expect and what is our best chance to turn over the Spuds? Are we anticipating this game with excitement or dread? I get the sense no one is talking about it because we are fairly fearful and that is a shame. If we play the way we did against ManCity away, for example, we will have a decisive victory. We haven’t been playing well but as George said on the Fans’ Forum–you can’t expect in our previous three games to have played accurate passing on the ground when the pitch was a cow pasture. Will we get more speed and forward invention in our passing back on home turf? I certainly hope so and I am really hoping Arteta can step forward and be more effective in getting the ball out to the wings quickly and behind their pressing attackers and midfield.

  161. Jabba’s gone. Acrylic isn’t here. Who is he attacking?

    lol i aint attacking anyone mate im just saying them things for the jabbas and the altairs…

    why cant you see it ?

    so what theyve left..?.they will log with different accounts or some other idiots will take their place…

    do you think i woke up this morning and thought ” hmmmmmm lets go to yogi;s and trash arsenal;s history”

    no mate ….im just sick and tired of watching/hearing/reading modern plastics telling us how we had it better in the past….thats utter bollocks.

    and you especially who has seen the past should be the first to congratulate me for putting them morons at their place…..

  162. Yes lets keep it real
    Modern day football is where we are at .If we go back to pre war then that Preston team was Invincible also.Which of course it was ,but you get my drift.

  163. I agree with Cbob. George, was it aimed at me? I certainly criticized Hunter’s approach to our history. It seems gratuitous–certainly unneeded in extolling the achievements of AW who has overseen a glorious transformation of the club.

  164. imagin if Disney became our main sponsor, We would turn into the Arsenal mighty ducks or something… and goonesaur became goonerduck…

  165. LG .
    I don’t think this fits you
    “Some of those claiming to be disgusted at his disrespect are some of the most disrespectful towards our current playing staff and indeed manager,”

    Now does it?
    So in answer “NO” it was not aimed at you.

  166. BTW LG did you hear the Fans Forum this week .? I made a come back.

  167. @Limestonegunner | February 23, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    I agree but i also don’t look at the Spuds with fear but excitement and joy because one thing that our boys do do it get up for big games and play well(when the pitch is actually up to modern standards). I feel that if we can get the ball to the flanks with the likes of Walcott, Gervinho and Ox running at players and creating then we can win say 3-1. I’m interested to see how our back 4 plays ecspecially the understanding between Verm and Gibbs since they will ultimately be going against Bale. The player i am most ready to see compete is Song; will he be the Song that can be the dominating DM that breaks up there attacks and that helps start our attacks and sprays passes out to the flanks or the inconsistent Song. I’m betting on him showing up and taking it personal and having a go at Modric and Parker and VDV.

    The best part for me about Gervinho coming back is now Ox, Gervinho, Theo will actually have to compete for their spot and this will IMO bring out the best of all the 3

  168. I also think the best thing that could happen for us atm is that Liverpool goes far in the FA Cup and Chelsea goes far in the CL(Which atm looks unlikley to happen ).
    Those two being hevily involved on other arenas will make them have to stretch more than us. And we will atlest have a decent shot on 4th spot.

    And if any ref has any United love left in them they should now that reffing pro Arsenal will be the best approach on Saturday. Its vital for Untied that Tottenham does not win.
    Ones we got 6 points down to no 5 i dont think we will loose that gap again…
    Atlest we get plenty of rest between the matches now until Summer 😛

  169. George, I don’t get to hear it live now that it is Monday evenings and it takes several days, for some reason, to put it on itunes. But I did listen last night and was very pleased to hear your comeback. You can see that I referenced your remarks on the pitches in my comment above at 3:03!

  170. C, very good point about Song. He has been a bit off his best the last few games and we need him to battle Modric and Parker. If he does, his class will shine through and help us win that important part of the pitch.

    I am of two minds about who to start either side of RvP but agree that the competition is good. Actually more like 3 minds–I can see arguments for any combination of those three! I wish Arshavin were more in the mix too, however, as he is quality and still has something important to offer. For me it is either him or Rosicky in the central creative role with Ramsey ready to come on, especially if we are up and Spuds are coming forward. He is very energetic and would be excellent in counterattack when the field is opened up.

  171. Gibbs, Vermaelen on the left side will be important, but doesn’t Bale line up more often on their left and face Sagna?

  172. Lime @ 3:03
    amen!

    Anxious to see which Arsenal will appear, but expect we will play well both in attack and defense. I believe the back 4 will be fine, whether Kos is available or not.

    Midfield choices: Arteta – Song – Rosicky
    Front line: Gervinho – RvP – Arshavin

    Chamberlain is 1st choice as front line sub.

    Stevenage took the game to Spuds and thats what Arsenal must do Sunday.

  173. YW, I am not discussing I am protesting.

  174. @Limestonegunner

    For me i think that Ox and Theo should start as Theo seems to play his best opposite of Ox but wouldn’t mind seeing any of the 3 attacking there fullbacks with pace and determination. After watching the reserve match and seeing the belief, determination, work rate, quality and class(albiet in a reserve match) i wouldnt be surprised if he got the start and actually would like to see him get the start in the attacking midfield role but love watching Rosicky just as much. I do agree about Ramsey coming on and providing the relentless energy that he has.

    I truly believe that if Arteta and Song play up to their class then we can win(there no doubt in my mind that we will regardless but would feel mroe comfortable).

    This would have been a match were i would have loved to have seen a back 4 of Sagna, Kos, Verm, Le Coq because they not only give us the most athletic and determined back 4 but also the pace and ball winning that will be vital

  175. Bob – great to see you with your boxing mittens on – not often you get drawn in so. Worthy cause though. I love it.

    Also glad to blog didn’t stop where you suggested – your 2.25 post is ace. Not heard the word ‘traduced’ for a while – excellent usage.

    Andy – I agree as it goes with Almunia. Stuck by him far too long. We also turned down Van der Sar from Fulham before Man Utd, who was a steal.

    Friedel is a player I think should have been playing at a big club most of his career. He’s a marvellous keeper even now. Sad that he was overlooked by better clubs than which he has served. Good all round guy as well.

    Of course some see this as a pop at the manager – but it just isn’t. Christ if you vote a politician in and support him unreservedly at the next election you don’t have to agree with every policy he has to still believe in THEM as a person. You can trust them as better qualified but you still have a right to an opinion – in fact in a democracy that is vital. this isn’t a democracy but fan voice does matter.

    If I’m honest thinking someone (anyone – especially me) is beyond criticism is juvenile & immature. It’s unfair on the person in question to put them in such an esteemed position to start with. Thinking about it, in this respect those who countenance ‘not an ill word said’ have undoubtedly created more hardline doomers the more moderate posters! 😉

    Heh!

  176. Whatever Frank, they’ll be ignored.

  177. Frankly hunter because I don’t pay much attention to what you say.

  178. Dearie me, it seems that this fence sitting is slowly castrating people.

  179. @Limestonegunner | February 23, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    As i have watched a few Spuds matches(I was drinking heavily and hoping they would lose terribly) i noticed that Bale is given teh freedom to chose his side. Would i love to see him chose Sagna’s side, hell yea because that would mean that he is going to push foward and will leave Walcott or whatever wide striker is on that wide with a constant 1 on 1 and i will always bet on pace in a game like this. if he happens to lineup on Gibbs side i would venture to say that Gibbs athleticism and pace would actually work to our advatage as long as he can stay focused.

  180. Your choice, YW, but you are on a slippery slope and that’s a fact.

  181. Chelsea have turned to former Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez to check whether he would consider taking over from Andre-Villas Boas at Stamford Bridge.
    (The Times)
    That will help then!
    Hahahahahahahahahahahahah – join the Chav nots Raf

  182. Thanks for the post YW. Myself I love Disney. I have been to Disneyworld every year with my kids/grandkids now for the last 12 years. I get to live vicariously thru the kids and love what I see in their eyes. I have shared more great moments with both my kids and grandkids watching Disney and Pixar movies for more years then I want to imagine. Shame on you for saying anything bad about Disney. 🙂

  183. Nope, man insults me, he’s gone.

  184. Tottenham Hotspur hope to convince Harry Redknapp to turn down the England manager’s job with a lucrative new contract offer.
    (Daily Mirror)

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Don’t they understand it is not about the money? Its about having an English manager, managing Englishy things like…England.

  185. It makes me very proud to hear Benik Afobe offering up very genuinely how much he appreciates RvP’s guidance and encouragement, how RvP has often stopped by to see how his rehab is going. Unprompted Afobe said RvP was not only a fantastic striker but a fantastic human being.

    It makes me wonder what folks are talking about when they say we lack leadership on the pitch. Maybe RvP plays too far forward as a striker to take every opportunity to talk to the team but Vermaelen is in the team too as vice-captain. Arteta is not shy to be a leader, but maybe outside the league he feels he doesn’t have the standing and experience (in the CL).

    One thing that has been remarked on is that no one went over to support the Ox after his own goal. I imagine that if it didn’t happen right then that certainly in the dressing room the captain must have said something. And that is why I might favour playing the Ox in this game. Let him get a chance to put it right directly. I think he’ll come through. There is going to be a lot of interchange on these wings with pacy and tricky players possibly having space to run. Theo comes up in big games pretty often. The key is supply for him. Plus he knows how to get the ball to RvP. Maybe Gervinho comes in off the bench. Hard to say–but as C pointed out it is nice to have the options again.

    RvP’s character is outstanding and I was encouraged to hear that there are talks. Frank said he wouldn’t be surprised if RvP resigned before the end of the season. Maybe it isn’t likely but at least he is talking and that is some encouragement for everyone. Good call, Frank.

  186. Just to clarify I meant that he would sign a new contract rather than resign…and i think he will sign well before the end of the season.

    My nephew got punched and told to piss off by Minnie Mouse in Euro Disney. Time of the month perhaps although I think with mice it is more frequent than that.

  187. I needed a hyphen, Frank! But understood and hopefully most others did too. Re-sign. Maybe I will start saying “extend” his contract or sign a new contract.

  188. SA

    Pep Guardiola is featuring heavily in betting, his odds cut from 50/1 to 7/1. Seems Hazza is only loved by the buffoon Bernstein. And the tabloids.

  189. Um, Spuds on Sunday. anyone?

  190. I agree with Limestone and wish we could get back to talking about football. All this fan vs. fan stuff, who is a good fan, who is a bad fan is useless. I understand those who feel the need to defend our honor and fight the dormers but in truth it just causes and escalation of fan civil war. The only thing that will make all this stuff and make it go away is winning a few games and getting our season back on track. Heaven forbid what will happen if we actually start winning a few trophies. Some of you have been fighting doomers for so long that if we actually starting winning trophies and playing more consistently you will probably be sad that all the doomers will be gone and you will have no one to fight with. What fun would that be??

    Myself I think Hunter and Jabba are the same person just posting stuff on both extremes of the spectrum just trying to get as many people as possible wound up and see how many arguments they can start and getting us all off topic.

  191. @Steww

    read my last couple posts purely Spuds talk

  192. We’re like punch drunk boxers sometimes. The other guy has left the ring and we’re still swinging. Must be careful not to hit each other.

  193. C – I did sorry should have referenced you,

  194. No problem, Limestone, I am sure everyone knows what you meant. Main point is..he will renew. He most certainly will.

  195. Well said Bill.

  196. Frank – “Your choice, YW, but you are on a slippery slope and that’s a fact

    Pftt, so says the oracale. Get over youself mate.

  197. Frank @ 3:48:

    “My nephew got punched and told to piss off by Minnie Mouse in Euro Disney. Time of the month perhaps although I think with mice it is more frequent than that.”

    LOL.

    I hope Kos is back.

    Wojo

    Sagna Kos, Verm, gibbs

    Song, Arteta, Rosicky

    Ox, RVP Gerv.

    This would be my lineup. Same as just about every game for the last 6 – 7 years, we will win if we play well, simple as that. We have the talent. Hopefully we can get our season back on track. I suspect that last years end of the season struggles and the struggles from the previous years lies somewhere between the players ears and a repeat this year would make it even harder to shake the reputation that hangs over the club. Winning this weekend is an absolute must or we could see things go further in the wrong direction.

  198. YW can you PLEASE remove the bold typeface?
    I can’t take it..its difficult to read for some reason

  199. Johan Djourou says Arsenal must prove they are the “kings of London” by beating Tottenham at Emirates Stadium on Sunday.

    It just sounds so………hollow.

    What it means is if he is playing then they will stuff all the attacks at him and we will concede three goals.

    Even fucking off won’t help me I am already in hell.

  200. Cop yourself on, GA

  201. I know this might sound like the obvious but this is when RVP’s leadership as our captain shows through. We obviuosly have seen he has what it takes to be captain not only in talent but in personality as well. I think he brings everybody together and says, its time to stand up and be Arsenal and given everything you have to the shirt and the club and play your hearts out.

    @Bill
    The only thing that i am not sure who will start is on the wings. I think either Ox or Gervinho will come off the bench and would be surprised otherwise. I think the understanding that Theo and RVP have makes the it very rare that in big games Theo isnt 1st choice. I would also love to see the ball played into space and service out to the flanks, i have heard Theo get blasted about the Milan match(sorry to bring up bad memories) but he wasn’t getting the service to have an impact on the match thus leading to our midfield must play better. from Song to Arteta to Rosicky and whoever else plays there, i think they will come good and dominate the midfield

  202. Oh would you look at that

  203. These aviator things are quite fun

  204. C:

    Myself I really thinking Gerv is our best wing player right now. I realize that he misses a lot of chances but he is very direct and gets himself into positions to score. I keep thinking that at some point he will start hitting the target regularly. If that happens he will could be a very good player. We really need someone to start scoring besides RVP. No one in our central midfield has stepped up to the plate in that regard and I think it will need to come from our flanks, Gerv and Ox give us the biggest threats at the moment. I would love Arshavin to regain some bit of his form but I suspect he is fallen to 4th or 5th in Arsenes pecking order.

  205. I really believe that’s you Frank.

  206. Gervais is brilliant. Going to be massive.

  207. Yes I just got away with that one, Cb. Had to leave my clothes behind. Very difficult to explain when I got home.

  208. YW

    That would be a proper fight.

    Pros:
    Pep has said he will jack it in sometime… allegedly.
    The Chav-nots usually get their man
    They pay so much that even AVB thought he was too expensive to be disposed of. Lol

    Cons:
    Why would you want to go somewhere that even the best (Mourinho) is not good enough
    It is a job for a year, they have had about 5 managers in five years
    Why would you want to leave the team that is the envy of the world
    Who can they not get at Barca
    They have the best footballer in the world at Barca, Cesc Fabregas

  209. @Bill

    I agree with you on that if Gervinho was to just net 1 they would flow like water because he has that in him with his pace creativity and unpredictability and him like you said always being in positions to score. I would probably start Theo because contrary to popular belief I think he is second on the team in goals and has given plenty of assists to RVP throughout the season. I would love to actually see all 4(RVP, Gervinho, Ox, Theo) pressing high and playing with speed but i know that wont happen so i would start Gervinho and Theo realizing that if either is poor for say the 1st 45 that Ox is ready to come in and be a terror but would bring him on regardless at around 60 to run at tired legs and just tell him to attack everytime he has the ball at his feet and be relentless and fearless, o wait he already does. Wouldn’t mind seeing Arshavin come in for Rosicky so that we could not only keep a creative genius on the pitch but also have fresh legs there as well

  210. Please tell me that’s you Frank!

    C – I don’t know many who think RVP is not a good captain – it’s the first time in a long while that the subject does not seem to come up in the media any more/so much.

    I rate him as a captain – and many others in the current team too (TV & Chezz especially).

    Nonetheless the criticism of yesteryear had some validity for me though, and Wenger’s dismissal of it as though an irrelevance never quite rang true with me.

  211. Bob – don’t forget I thought that great picture was you.

    In fact it’s still how I see you, in some ways!

  212. You mean Cb doesn’t look like that? i’m sorry I’m not having that.

  213. Gracias YW…all that boldness was making me want to fight someone.

    Personally, I’d start Gerv@RW + Ox/AA@LW
    Assou-Ekotto’s got Theo’s number but not Gerv’s. He’s better against speed merchants than he is against the shake-&-bakers

    Probably Ox vs Walker too. Then bring on AA after Ox’s worn him out some.

    In ACM, TR7 must play. His bursts of accel will warrant a possible sending off for Parker.

    I sincerely pray Kos is fit.
    Verm needs to calm down a tad & be a bit more patient sometimes.

    Arteta & Song need not overplay. Just keep things tight & let the ball do more of the offensive running.

    Truth be told on current form we have nothing to lose.

    RASERS.

  214. That’s got to take top prize for avatars! Wish I could figure out how to get one–technophobia has kept me chained to that grumpy face for the last several years.

  215. What is truth?

    A picture tells a thousand stories.

  216. It certainly does…

  217. It’s a decent reflection of Bob’s character that’s as far as it gets.

    I’m drawing no parallel with your’s Frank!

    LG it’s easy go to gravatar.com and follow the instructions.

  218. Thanks Jonny for the Piers post earlier…that man deserves to burn.

    I hope that is you Frank…that would go a ways to restoring my faith in the world.

    (tired…days and days and days of the same point made over and over…)

  219. @Jonny

    That was what i was trying to get at. Also i do feel that this is the 1st time since the Viera reign that we have a captain that is more than simply the best player on the team but a true captain.

    @Aman
    I could see Gervinho starting on the right with Walcott playing on the left but can also see them getting free reign to change sides as they deem necessary. Gervinho will give anybody fits no matter what side he plays and even if Theo doesnt start(as stated before i would start him) he would bne brought on because those tired legs that you speak of, Theo and his pace would go slaloming past them. I think Rosicky has the ability(hence why i referred to him as creative genius above) to force Parker into tackles that could cause a yellow or 2.

  220. That IS Bob.

    And now it’s Frank, too!

    Steww is never best pleased.

    And Jonny will always look like a young David Essex.

    But at least it’s always sunny at Arsenal … even though PG’s in his smoking jacket.

  221. 9,000,000 fans follow Arsenal on facebook…wow

    “The league is going to be very difficult but the top four is in Arsenal’s hands. They have the squad, there is a long way to go, they have to play Chelsea at home, Tottenham at home, Newcastle at home, Man City at home… it is not impossible.”…..TH 12 & 14

  222. Thanks for ruining my post Jonny.

    Jonny USED to look like a young David Essex.

    Can’t believe you just did that, what timing.

  223. Thanks Axis, and others – I read Acryllic praising PM and was consumed with rage. It was like watching someone applaud a paedophile for trying it on with your son – you can’t just stand by and do nothing.

  224. David Essex – well that’s a new one, Andrew. I have literally no idea how to take that.

    I think more people should have ‘gravatars’ though.

    Except hunter – his is just fine.

    Where is Darius these days? Miss the bastard.

  225. Robin Van Persie….clickclickclick….Robin Van Persie…..clickclickclick

  226. “Who could replace Wenger? Mourinho, Guardiola, O’Neill, Redknapp. There’s 4 for starters” – Piers Morgan

  227. @Jonny

    You know you you shouldnt pay any attention to Piers Morgan when he speaks like that or negatively towards Arsenal, because he would replace Arsene Wenger with Arry Redknapp who by the way coaches the Spuds our most hated rival, yea i’m sure that would sit well with the Arsenal fans…

  228. Arry Redknapp who by the way coaches the Spuds our most hated rival, yea i’m sure that would sit well with the Arsenal fans…

    We would soon get over that if he won the lge with us.

    Only that is unlikely, due to the fact that he is an overrated twitchy cunt.

  229. yea and since he is an overrated twitchy cunt he wouldnt win the EPL thus us not getting ove rthe fact that the board hired a Spud to lead Arsenal. IMHO the only natural successor to AW would be Guardiola and that is because everything Arsene does and wants Guardiola mimicks and does:

    1.Build a youth program that when the players mature they will dominate Europe, Check.

    2.play beautiful attractive football, check
    3. run things the way you want them done, check

    Makes sense to me whenever AW feels its his time to go but only then or when it is so blatanly obvious that its time for a change in management and since its not, Piers Morgan your a moron and I will stop talking about it

  230. When the time comes we would need to have more options that one bloke. Otherwise we could find ourselves in a spot of bother.

  231. He’s too skinny for David Essex.

    He wants us to think he looks like James Dean but in truth, well he doesn’t.

    Saw Whitstable on the box yesterday Andrew. The voice over was gushing about all the ‘old fashioned shops’. What we saw was a row of bijou outlets out of ‘Home and Garden’ selling bespoke flowers and stupid items that no sensible person could want, or afford. Harbour St looks completely shagged.

    All the real old shops are, I suppose, gone these days, now that it’s a trendy ‘destination’. The now famous Whitstable Oyster Company was boarded up when I was there. You could only buy them in that rather dodgy place in the High St. Now there’s an ‘Oyster Festival’ . Meant to be ‘traditional’ too. Bollocks it is.

    A shame. A lovely place now the playground of twats.

  232. Anyway. Better get my pasties in the oven.

  233. Steve Bould will be AWs successor

  234. Are you as certain of that as you were of Cesc and Nasri staying?

  235. But not in a traditional way.

  236. Wowzers.

  237. That is a whole new level of certainty. 😉

  238. Ha Bob – you’re about as skinny as me, I’m just taller.

    Best thing I can say about your picture, other than that I love it, is ‘cobblers’. 😉

  239. Well it is really because it already looks as though SB is going to take over from Pat Rice. I would not be at all surprised to see another addition to that management team too.

  240. Steve Bould – fucking hell Frank – you should get some good money down on that now, you’d clear up.

    NAFC!

  241. Actually a lot of the youngsters coming through know Steve very well, and more importantly he knows them.

  242. Frank – I think that will be a good move. I would be surprised if somebody with zero managerial inexperience got the job was Arsene leaves though.

  243. I see a gradual change up to at least 2014. I don’t expect AW to leave even when the new set up is in place.

  244. why do we bother with Pier’s m.Organ?
    He’s an attention seeker…
    a twittin’ b*tch

  245. It is the way Pep Guardiola gained his position.

  246. Frank – True. And Steve McLaren.

  247. Neither of us is as skinny as Frank. Thank Christ!

  248. Not at all like Steve McLaren. Steve Bould has rejoined the club he was most successful at and managed the U18s at the same club. It is all about keeping it in the family. He won’t be a direct replacement, Arsenal are innovators and a new managerial set up is being created, as I said.

  249. Ah, right you are. A manager share scheme?

  250. Looks like he’d have to weave that bike about just to get hit by raindrops!

  251. And Ruud Gullit and Gianluca Vialli and Glen Hoddle and Kenny Dalglish

  252. But they all started at shit clubs (Dalglish aside, but that was a bit different). We are not a shit club.

  253. Bob – if you think Whitstable’s bad avoid Canterbury at all costs! Used to be my favourite ‘city’ but Lord only knows what the council have done to the place … Shame about Whitstable though, I never thought it would change but you know a place is in trouble when they start writing about it in the Sunday Supplements and making telly programmes.

    Enjoy your pasties …

  254. I would like to think that Dennis will join him too. Managing Arsenal is so much more complex than most and requires a degree of sophistication rarely seen at other clubs.

  255. Oh and here’s one for the future. RvP will become a very successful manager indeed. Nice if it was at Arsenal, but we are probably talking 8-10 years hence.

  256. Bouldy is a legend. Even if he was part of that bunch of p&ss head thugs who bored the pants off everyone.

    As a player he was vastly underated & every bit as good as Tony Adams in many ways. If he`s as good at coaching I see no reason not to promote him – would love to see him prowling the technical area & intimidating the likes of Pulis & fourth officials !

  257. @ pedantic george | February 23, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    I guess I was trying to gently highlight that, sometimes, hunter13 goes a bit overboard and his zealotry ends up undermining his arguments (many of which are otherwise very good). But I genuinely wanted to clarify whether he saw us all as unfit to comment or only the Jabbas and AAs of this world. The “sometimes the good get burnt with the bad” theme seemed not a million miles away from the not-so-dearly departed Jabba’s comment about Pie*s Moron being okay to slag off The Arsenal because he gave out more grief to the opposition.

  258. Even if he was part of that bunch of p&ss head thugs who bored the pants off everyone

    There were also a well oiled machine at the back though. Superb organisation and communication as a unit. 9 times out of 10 if Wrighty or Smudger managed to nick a goal you could put your feet up and relax.

    Now I am now even relaxed when we are three or four to the good. All part of the fun though I suppose.

  259. You are right there Andrew. I was in Canterbury several years ago and it was awful then. Back in the early 70’s it was special.

    There was a lovely pub we used to go to in Devon, then it was in the Sunday Times. Disaster. Floor to ceiling in idiots.

    Who are these people? Haven’t they got their own pubs?

  260. bob – indeed most of them have Yates’s I believe they are called. No atmosphere and mirrors everywhere so people can look at themselves in it whilst they are pretending to talk to people. And then onto a Wetherspoons.

    Give me a dark dingy pub with dark scratched wood everywhere and some decent music any day of the week.

  261. I think the choice for the next manager will depend on how the rest of the arsene years play out. If we get more of what we have seen he las couple years then we will hopefully bring in some one who can give us a new direction on the pitch. I hope we also get another real football person in upper management onthe other hand if on the pitch performances turn around the an arsene protege like SBwould be a reasonable choice

  262. Just listening to some experts about the weekend and nobody’s giving us a chance.

    I think the last two results have completely skewed everyone’s idea of what Arsenal’s about. We’re not great at the moment, but we’re nothing like as bad as those performances would have people believe. Add to that they were in difficult circumstances against tough sides.

    I reckon we’ll be up two up before they can react – we’ll go on to win at a relative canter. Win lifts us and we go on a small run, bolstered by the return of JW and Andre Santos by mid-March.

  263. I think I will wait until about 4 o’clock on Sunday before I speculate about the result.

  264. Andy ,I think Paulie was being sarcastic.Can’t be sure though because of the truth in his quip

  265. Piers Morgan is a total tool..

  266. Well said, JJ.

  267. Cheers, Jonny!

  268. Another reason to be proud to support Arsenal and encourage the club to continue to be ahead of most other teams.

    http://news.arseblog.com/2012/02/arsenal-back-football-v-homophobia-campagin-but-could-do-more/

  269. When I was six and talking to my dad about which team I would support he, a Portsmouth fan who went to see Charlton when he worked near their ground for a few years, said of my choices, Celtic were Catholics, Chelsea were trendy but The Arsenal had class. He talked about busts and marble halls and I didn’t know what he meant but it sounded like something from a book.
    Arsenal was synonymous with class from that day on.
    We won the Fairs cup that year and the double the following.
    The rest is history. What a man. He could just have told me to shut up and support Pompey. He lived just long enough to see them promoted back to the top flight.

  270. Don’t know which part of Devon you are in Bob but I was lucky enough to live in Exeter in the 1990s and my best pal down there had as his local pub Cliff Bastin’s proper old boozer in Heavitree. I shudder to think if it is still open (if it IS a Wetherspoons just don’t bother telling me …)

    I came back to London around 2000 but looking at Bastin’s playing record (which I have a feeling you, Bob, will already know about) …

    [From Wikipedia: “With Arsenal, Bastin won the FA Cup twice, in 1929-30 and 1935-36, and the First Division title five times, in 1930-31, 1932-33, 1933-34, 1934-35 and 1937-38; by the age of nineteen he had won a League title, FA Cup and been capped for England, making him the youngest player ever to do all three. Bastin also finished as Arsenal top scorer twice (1932–33 and 1933–34, with 33 and 15 respectively) though after centre-forward Ted Drake arrived in March 1934, Bastin was no longer Arsenal’s number one target man.”]

    What is, for me, the most awesome aspect to his career is that by the time World War II saw the suspension of the football league – he was just 27.

    Hilariously, the fascist Italians claimed to have captured him in battle but the truth was far more entertaining. Due to deafness, he was excused military service and saw out the war years as an ARP Warden, stationed at the top of … Highbury Stadium.

    Honestly, you can’t make this stuff up, can you – nobody would believe you?

    Bastin even played for England in the 1930’s versus the Italians who were the World Cup holders and the Germans (where both sides were forced to do the Nazi salute), again, at Highbury Stadium – which interestingly was considered to be state of the art.

    That all this was so was largely due to the genius of the Arsenal management of that era which, against all the odds, succeeded in taking an averagely performing club up to the next level …

    Anyway, the point I’m laboriously getting round to making (if you haven’t already guessed) is that Cliff Bastin would have had a thing or two to say about anyone disrespecting Arsenal’s past.

    We really shouldn’t do it, no matter which cause we feel we are fighting at the time.

    I was just gutted I missed the chance to meet him by a mere 24 months or so …

  271. whats the deal with Barron Von Greenback buying up these shares? Is it true?

    This guys not giving up is he? I really thought the power struggle at the club would stop when Stan became the main guy but the sneaky fucking uzbek hasnt gone away has he?

    what is the ruling when Usmanov hits 30%..??

  272. That’s exactly how my Dad described The Arsenal to me, Steww, all busts and marble halls.

    But above all else, a cut or two above the rest.

    “They always had class”, was what he said. He’s in his 80’s now but he’s still saying it today.

    It’s true, we have been fantastic under Wenger. We will be in the future, too.

    But it’s ALWAYS been a fantastic club.

    And I will always be a Gunner.

  273. Yes Yes Yes,we get it ,OK,jeez

    🙂

  274. its hugly different to have fans playing for your club than to only have players playing. Alot of the youngsters coming through now are proper fans of Arsenal footbal club. Like Afobe,like Jenkinson, like Frimpong, like Wilshere.
    When people diss the club they dont get offended on behalf of the plaeyrs. they get offended on behalf of the club they love. They get pissed off as fans, like we get pissed off as fans.
    I think i like that 🙂
    ANd it must be the greatest feeling in the world being able to repsesent the club in your heart at such a high level. There are not to may players that get that honour.
    For most players its just a job, they follow the money and the trophies. But for some of our youngsters its a passion, they really wanna be here because its Arsenal. They wanna do their best for Arsenal. They wanna win with Arsenal or with nobody. And that is simply very very cool…

  275. arsenalandrew – I’m convinced it’s one of the things others hate about us. It’s pure jealousy. Fantastic that we shar that heritage.

  276. Poodle.I think I like that as well.

  277. Hear, hear! It is delightful.

  278. I’m sure you’re right Steww, pure jealousy.

    When I was a kid I can remember Dad saying with more than a little pride we’d never been relegated since the war and all the other clubs hating that.

    (Sorry, just making the point PG).

  279. If I wasn’t so damned macho I would be welling up now..

  280. steww | February 23, 2012 at 9:16 pm
    arsenalandrew – I’m convinced it’s one of the things others hate about us. It’s pure jealousy. Fantastic that we shar that heritage.

    That would be good Steww.But the reality is that most people do not have a clue about Arsenal history.So being jealous of the past is a bit unlikely.I think the jealousy is a more recent development.
    For me it is an envy of our playing style .Well it seems like that to me up here.I cant speak for what it is like in London.

  281. But that’s exactly the point I think we’re making PG – that the jealousy really does transcend generations.

    Just look at that Bastin record – they were the Man U of their day – better, really, with the back-to-back stuff.

    Certainly latterly there are new things to be jealous of but it’s definitely not a new thing, regardless of the ignorance most modern fans will have of our extraordinary history …

  282. Sorry, I’ll try that again:

    Certainly latterly there are new things to be jealous of (playing style, stadium etc) but OVERALL it’s definitely not a new thing …

  283. My point is only that most other fans now have not a scooby about Arsenal history.And current jealousy is related to recent events.
    I concede it may always have been thus,but I seriously doubt if what happened prewar has anything to do with how others feel towards us now.
    But I could be wrong .And that would not be a first.

  284. The fabled “marble halls” is (are?), I would guess, one of the best-known elements of Arsenal history. I would imagine the average fan would know about that, maybe a bit about Herbert Chapman, and probably very little else before the Graham era. I find it amusing that so many people seem to think football started when the Premier League was formed. I think you’re right, George, that most of the current jealousy comes from the most recent period of success, but I can imagine that a lot of people have some vague awareness that Arsenal is a club with class and history, and that probably rankles with quite a few of them.

  285. It seems like it’s all-change on the avatars today, so I thought I would join in…

  286. “I reckon we’ll be up two up before they can react – we’ll go on to win at a relative canter. Win lifts us and we go on a small run, bolstered by the return of JW and Andre Santos by mid-March.”

    OneOfUs, old sock, I think I love you.

  287. Here, y’are. Musical Thursdays:

  288. Very nice Billy – is it an arial shot of the Grove/Highbury? Hard to see on my phone but an unusual angle!

  289. Thanks, Andrew. Yes, it’s the proverbial bird’s eye view. I like the picture you use (and the story behind it). Stumbled across this one when looking through some pics from the Bergkamp testimonial, trying to find an unusual view of the Emirates. This one seemed to have some interesting things going on.

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