Football’s Back Whilst Xavi Translates As Clueless And Classless

Football for once is the starting place for a post and a very welcome return it is too. The 4-0 win in Malaysia is, in itself, not going to register on the coming season. That should not detract from a pleasing performance with new faces showing encouraging signs.

Aaron Ramsey opened the scoring with a fifth minute penalty, awarded after Jack Wilshere was unceremoniously upended following a surging run into the area. Chances to double the lead wafted wide, over and generally anywhere but the target until Ramsey’s excellent angled pass allowed Walcott to lob the onrushing goalkeeper.

Wenger made eight changes at the interval, with the remaining three starters replaced midway through the second half. One of the late incomers was Samir Nasri. Apparently it is a ‘relief for Arsenal fans‘ that he has taken the pitch, as if this appearance means he is engulfed by an Arsenal force field that will protect him and the club from any unwelcome Mancunian advances.

The second half saw more positive signs, not least that a defensive wall did not splinter or defend an early Malaysian free kick by raising their arms to concede unnecessary penalties. We got the exquisite finish against weaker opposition from the bulky Carlos Vela, who has either been at the weights this summer or has lost Jenny Craig’s phone number. He would have completed his annual quota of Arsenal goals for the season but for the (un)timely intervention of a defender.

Weighty changes to the personnel has been a theme with Andrey Arshavin looking svelte compared to last year, nimbly rounding defenders on the left for Tomas Rosicky to head home the fourth deep into injury time.

Positive signs came in the performances of Miyaichi and Jenkinson, a friendly can offer no more than hope that they will be good squad players. Likewise, the perenially injured Rosicky seems fit and spritely whilst Vermaelen’s return is a new beginning or a new signing, I can never distinguish between Yoda and Arsène’s pronouncements.

This summer has seen the support drop to a basic level; abusing players online is deemed acceptable. It is not and little wonder that only the hardy or popular remain active on social media. The abusers will no doubt complain once players stop interacting, mocking them for being aloof and moaning how they used to go down the pub with Arsenal players of the 60s. Or at least their grandfathers did.

A perverse target for criticism is Cesc. It seems that refusing to talk to the media is now a measurable sin, a signal of his disloyalty to Arsenal. The theory goes that he should have come out straight away and declined any Barcelona advances. The theory is tripe and those who espouse it ought to be ashamed.

We have known for a number of seasons that he would like to return home – to be closer to his family, to play for his ‘club’ – at some point. Yet he has never come out and been disrespectful towards Arsenal or the supporters. Despite this, it is evident some think they can be disrespectful to the player.

Not least of which is Xavi, who did his usual interfering, proving at once that he and his employers do not understand the word ‘class’ at all. Either that or they do not want to, which is their prerogative. You can understand Arsène’s growing frustration,

If I found Barcelona in exactly the same position, I believe a mutual respect between the clubs should stop this kind of comment. It is very disrespectful and it is not the first time that Xavi has been disrespectful to Arsenal Football Club.

What is important is that Cesc Fábregas is contracted to Arsenal Football Club. That is a fact. Arsenal want to keep him and all the rest is comment.

You have to hope that on Ivan’s desk there is sliding scale of penalty increases in Cesc’s fee for every indiscretion. Sadly there isn’t because it would mean the amount paid by Real Madrid for Ronaldo would have been dwarfed by Arsenal’s demands.

It is apparent that all of the comments have Barcelona’s tacit or explicit approval and yet Wenger continues to be repectful towards the institution of Barcelona. The open hypocrisy of the Catalans shows that they have little or no finesse, incapable of setting an example to all through winning with dignity and conducting themselves in an exemplary manner. The whining that they cannot afford the fee demanded is bewildering when they can opt to spend £35m on a winger. It ought to be evident to Cesc that they do not want him enough at this moment in time, a path they may regret if one of their central midfielders is out for a substantial amount of time.

In short, they are nothing more than petulant schoolchildren who think that the time when they are top will always remain, forgetting that it will not always be the case. When their fall comes, it will be of no surprise to see how many enjoy gloating over their decline.

’til Tomorrow.

Posted on July 14, 2011, in Arsenal, Football, Premier League, Premiership, Soccer, Transfer Gossip and tagged , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 433 Comments.

  1. “In short, they are nothing more than petulant schoolchildren who think that the time when they are top will always remain, forgetting that it will not always be the case. When their fall comes, it will be of no surprise to see how many enjoy gloating over their decline.”

    Brilliant, and oh so true

  2. AW puts it perfectly on Xavi. Even if Cesc has confided as such, he should know what(or what not) to spout. Xavi’s behavior on the pitch has little to suggest he has respect & regard for opposition. His constant pressure on refereeing is just one of the many dark arts he expertizes. And every other time you hear (even after beating the opposition) him gloat how that there’s only one team that played football & that it’s Barca. How the remaining clubs (funnily enough even Arsenal) played anti-football against them. Perhaps he should rewind back to the years when Puyol, Luis Enrique, Van Bommel & Xavi himself went about targetting Zidane, Ronaldo & Figo. Hypocrisy, another one of his fortes. As is his club’s. If Cesc’s worth no more than 30m simply because of his catalan roots & La Massia graduation. Would they be willing to let Thiago to Flamengo, Iniesta to Albacete, Messi to Newell boys, Pedro & whoever else to their original youth clubs?!

    Would ‘Mes que un club’ behave acceptably on the pitch with likes of Alves, Busquets & rest. A club notoriously known for justifying their playacting & diving over the year. A club which refuses to tackle racism in the stands or on the pitch, more famously Biscuit to Marcelo (It seems they also have Governing bodies covered for their benefit. Latest being the fact they made Busaca as head of referees. Excellent UEFA!)

  3. Excellent post

  4. well said YW
    so on point kid_glove
    Barca & Bussacca’s time will come… we must just continue to do what we do with class & fairness.

  5. btw, I love what AW’s doing regarding the Nasri situation
    His logic seems to be based on the fact that:

    1. UEFA’s FFP rule begins 2012 = exorbitant fees & salaries paid will reduce considerably

    2. Nasri has to excel & maintain a high standard this season to validate the hype and the superstar salary he thinks he deserves.

    3. Winning on a team, where he’s loved, respected, relevant & considered a leader, that has been through the pain of losing is so emotionally rewarding that if it happens he will understand that there is nothing greater. Not even money.

    4. Win & he’ll get the raise he desires PLUS so much more from endorsements, etc.

    #3 applies to Cesc as well

  6. Wenger is using the Nasri and Cesc situation to hide the fact he hasnt signed a CB.While the press talk about Cesc and Nasri they wont mention we are not going to sign a commanding CB.Brilliant PR from Wenger but it will harm us in the long run

    Wasnt it funny about Denilson though.No one has come in for him so Wenger is going to force him out.Just give him a free

  7. Aman

    Nasri will join our rivals for free next summer.They get a top class player and save £20m we lose £20m and then have to buy a replacement.Thats just plain bonkers

  8. I agree with Aman

  9. No Thomas, it wasn’t funny about Denilson. Go to this morning’s posts from Max Gunner for clarification.
    And how do u KNOW for sure that AW will not sign a CB?

  10. “Nasri will join our rivals for free next summer”

    Again another DEFINITE from know-it-all Thomas….?

  11. It seems that Fifa is not interested in promoting personnel due to excellent performance. Massimo Bussaca, the Barca lapdog is now Fifa’s head of refereeing which means that this is either payback for helping the Catalans or someone has realised how genuinely useless he is and decided promotion is the way to get him out of the way.

  12. So ‘we won’t let a Flamini situation develop again’ has translated to ‘we’ll keep him for this year even if that means we lose him for free next year’. And some people thinks that it’s an act of genius.

    The idiocy and the desperate need of the masses to follow a leader – now matter what – never ceases to amaze.

  13. Thanks YW.

    Great scenes from the Malaysian tour. For various reasons, this tour will be a great experience for some of the players (just thinking about the food/cuisine has me dribbling like Rory Delap, all over the place).
    Can’t wait now for the start of the season. Might have to try and get a ticket for the Emirates Cup.

  14. We as fans should care too much about the financial situation of our club, we pay silly money to watch our beloved reds and rather than financial return we should be after a return in silverware. Hold on to our best players for as long as we possibly can!

  15. Yeah me too….if we lose £20 million for Nasri but win the league, hey…..We’ll cope…..I hope!

  16. *Stands up, straightens tie, clears throat, raises middle finger*

    “Fuck Barca!”

  17. Mark…..I’m not hailing Wenger or the club for hanging onto Nasri this year. I would prefer they had locked him in a dark room long ago and got his signature. having said that, now we are here, as a supporter I would prefer we keep him this season and attack our objectives, which must be to win the league as that is what this squad is capable of.

  18. We’ve seen what this squad is capable of and winning trophies is beyond them.

    The situation with Nasri should have been sorted out by now. AW and the board should have given Nasri and his agent a deadline to either sign or be sold.

    The fact we are still in this position smacks of mismanagment

  19. So, I’m to understand then, according to the gritty arsed, self declared ‘realists’ out there that having the coveted proteges of Ziniedine Zidane, and Pep Guardiola at Arsenal Football Club is not a good situation for a football team to be in.

    Righty ho then.

  20. another post of excellence, YW, thank you.

    Regarding last night’s game, I was there and comment below on the half-a-game that I could see. Sitting behind a goal, unfortunately the pitch was so far away that I could only really see the near half of the pitch. The big screen was at the far end too, and generally showed replays from a long view, so not much was gleaned from that either.

    Generally it was a good evening. The huge 90,000 seater stadium was two thirds full, cheerful, noisy and mostly Arsenal fans. It was a shame that the boys wore their new away strip as everyone wanted to see the historic red and white.

    YW’s match report above is very accurate, so specifically, I’ll just add a few comments on notable players:

    Theo – dashed my hopes that his final touch would improve over the summer. It hadn’t.
    Song – calm, assured and developing his play making ability. A good showing.
    Jack – Jack was a very naughty boy. ‘Winning’ the penalty is apt, he tackled like a bastard off-spring of Paul Scholes and Wade Dooley. In the thick of everything. Competitive and mercurial. A candidate for the Prem player of the season and the most red cards.
    Ramsey – good balanced display with some clever touches. Back to his best.
    Vermaelen – thank you *insert name of god* for returning him to us. A deep and calming sense of relief.
    Miyachi – my rating has gone from ‘cautious optimism’ to ‘optimism’. Too many step-overs, but good positional sense and runs. A lot of talent.
    Chamakh – reminded me of when Phil Senderos would have a go at attacking. I’m not sure if he was the target man or just got in the way a lot. Depressing to watch.
    Gibbs – fine.
    Kos, Jenkinson, Schezer – nothing to note and nothing to trouble them. I used to see the Barnet pre-season matches; Malaysia would not beat Barnet.
    Sagna – excellent. Energetic, committed, determined.
    Manone – impressive. Fast and accurate distribution with both hands and both legs. Controlled his area. Athletic. Appears to have a bit of ‘attitude’ too, which is no bad thing.
    Djourou and Squilachi – fine. Not much to do.
    RvP, Nasri, Arshavin, Vela – couldn’t see their end of the pitch.

    In summary, there were a few disappointments, notably Chamakh, but a lot to be cheerful about. Choosing between growing our S.E. Asian fan base and having a good start to the season however, I would have opted for our traditional routine of Austria and not taken this tour. It is too far, too hot and humid, and the competition is too poor. We may rue this excursion with the CL and tough Prem fixtures that we have.

  21. Good post. Its fantastic that we have a manager with so much class even his responses to Xavi are like a rebuff to a naughty child. I on the other hand would rip his kevin websters fucking head off him if I got the chance . I truly admire our managers restraint in this not sinking to the level of this classless club.

  22. Jabba's delights

    If i was the top brass at Barcelona i would be livid with Xavi as he can only be making their negotiations much harder. Are they that stupid to think that a quote like that from xavi baring in mind we have seen many of them before will suddenly make our club have an eureka moment and decide to sell our captain and best player for under maket value.

    I think the way Cesc has handled himself throughout has shown nothing but class , what is he meant to do come out with a statement everytime one of their papers mentions his name!!

    With regards to Nasri the situation only suprises me as Arsene was so adament that he wouldnt allow another Flamini situation to develope. What he is doing now whilst a gamble on our side is also a huge gameble from Samir who wont have the safety net of a big contract to protect him if injured.

    In the NFL which is light years ahead in terms of professionalism and the money that comes with it, players very often in the last years of their contracts have fantastic years as they are playing for the dollars. I have no issue if Samir has a record year helps us have a great year and then departs. Hopefully Ryo can go on loan for another year and come back next year ready to claim a place in the squad.

  23. “Choosing between growing our S.E. Asian fan base and having a good start to the season however, I would have opted for our traditional routine of Austria and not taken this tour. It is too far, too hot and humid, and the competition is too poor. We may rue this excursion with the CL and tough Prem fixtures that we have”

    why an EITHER OR, jr?
    You do want us to have MORE MONEY to sign bigger players don’t you?

    +
    “I was there and comment below on the half-a-game that I could see. Sitting behind a goal, unfortunately the pitch was so far away that I could only really see the near half of the pitch. The big screen was at the far end too, and generally showed replays from a long view, so not much was gleaned from that either”

    ok. pls refer to Max Gunner’s earlier posts for a complete game view of the game.
    sorry jr

  24. jr, Chamakh seems to be in a transitional phase. When he first arrived we had no other strikers and we seemed to adapt a little to accomodate him. Now he seems to be the one adapting to our game.

  25. if barca allowed xavi to make such comment on its official site, then the disrespect comes from barca, not only xavi.

  26. Jabba's delights

    Aman

    Look at the difference between MaxGunner and JR though thoughts. Now imagine those Malaysian regulars on le grove having there oppinions on it as well. Makes Maxgunner rude comments regarding my question last night look slightly warped. His oppinion that Malaysia are a mid table championship team seem ridiculous.

  27. longblackcloud

    Vela did look chunky didn`t he! maybe thats a new plan, to bulk up Carlos and re-deploy him as a left back rather than signing a new one?

  28. Jabba's delights

    Chamack will be fine, he is 1) low on confidence and 2 at the begining of pre season. He is also at a club that fail to play to his strengths so he has to adapt. Its my hope this year that when he plays we utilise his strengths more which are outstanding if you used in the right way.

    I also hope that the African Nations cup works in his favour. If we get another striker his game time may well be reduced, going away to a tourn where he is a massive gun and national hero might revitalize him so when he comes back for the business end of the year he is firing on all cylinders

  29. I just love those bloody hypocrites who are all over the blogs ripping Arsene for his determination to hang unto his best players, i.e. Cesc and Nasri.
    Before pre-season they and the football media wrote miles upon miles of text expressing conviction that both Cesc and Nasri were gone, lost to other clubs with greater ambition than AFC. Poor old Wenger had lost his powers of persuasion (thanks Ablog) and the youth policy was in tatters as Wenger would never find nor afford suitable replacements.
    Come last week’s unmistakable drawing of a line in the sand, a clear statement of intent by AW, his unmistakable daring, (even Slur Alex is amazed) that Nasri would never be solved because a big club does not sell its best players. Now the same bloody hypocrites are now concerned about the money. According to the burger flippers and fryers, when it comes to Nasri, its not about winning the title, its all about the 20 million quid and the “future” of the club.
    What a load of stinking poo!

  30. Nasri staying is wrth it if he helps us win a trophy. Its a gamble but so is everything is football. People that whine about high prices to watch arsenal and bla, bla. Stop paying, stream the god damn match. It’s not rocket sience is it? If you disagree with how the club is ran then boycott it. Plenty of people boycott Shell cos they are environmental schwines. Plenty of people boycotted the last Matrix film cos it was crap. And alot of people don’t go to movies anymore cos they think the ticketprice is to high compared to the value they get back. Don’t use moneyon stuff you think has low quality. Only an idiot wastes money on Arsenal if he thinks he pays more than it’s worth. That’s throwing money out of the window. But that is not arsenals fault. If you wanna pay over the odds for something you think lacks quality, you are a big stupid and don’t deserve better.
    So Jonny get a grip. Be a man and take responsibility for how you use YOUR money.

  31. Thanks YW.

    A sliding scale for every discretion is absolutely right. Gazidis should turn around and day that for every public proclamation by Barcelona (i.e. tapping up), £1 million is added to the demanded transfer fee.

  32. Aman (which coincidentally means ‘peace’ in Malay), i’ve just had a read of Max Gunner’s comments from last night. I can’t be that optimistic based on a friendly game against very poor opposition – their coach has said as much today.

    In support of Jabba’s position, one significant difference is the physical differential between the two teams; bigger, stronger, faster. From a pure technical perspective, the game was crap, as you would expect from a friendly warm-up in a sauna after travelling through eight time zones. Worse, because of forest clearance fires in Indonesia, the air pollution here at the moment is terrible; a real pea souper.

    Based on that, I think the fresh, semi-altitude training in Austria is better preparation for a tough start to the season. On a positive note regarding growing our fan base here, Le Boss has the entire country fawning and gushing, an awesome showing from him.

  33. I am with kid glove

  34. J., do they speak Urdu in Malysia?

  35. Sitting behind the goal??? Plenty of seats available mate…. Why would u choose that area anyway? U could have chosen the upper tier for fuck sake…. Makes for better view and u could see the whole match without resorting to spout media led rubbish… Where i was seating, near the corner flag, right next to the media section, there was only cheering…. No moaning or whatever.

    Malaysia cant beat barnet? How the fuck do u know that? Is south east asian football that rubbish that the champions cant even beat bloody barnet fc? Utter bollocks mate. Lay off le grove. Best thing about most malaysian fans, their english is poor so they dont bother visiting blogs. Even le grove. Thank fuck for that.

  36. Jabba

    jr’ s views are littered with ” i told you so’s”, unfair conclusions and some unrealistic player expectations from a friendly game against a national team he reckons could not beat Barnett!

    All from the vantage point of sitting behind the goal without a clear view of proceedings???
    More than slightly warped..

    Don’t u think I’m better off watching the game telecast myself???

  37. @ YW @ 10:30
    “or someone has realised how genuinely useless he is and decided promotion is the way to get him out of the way.”

    a process utilized in many organizations, especially in politics…… the Peter Principle.

  38. Hi mj_gunner,

    they speak Malay, which is very similar to Indonesian, and incorporates words from all over Asia. It’s a new, bitsa language; Hindi, Tamil, Thai, Tagalog, Chinese sets, plus some Dutch and lots of English.

    I’m guessing that ‘aman’ is ‘peace’ in Urdu too?

  39. Glory hunters more like it. Its the “wenger u better start buying that shiny new player so that i could show him off to my manc, spuds, chelscum mates at work” syndrom. As u can see lads, we have it over here as well. Albeit not as bad as in the uk.

  40. Mark & Thomas (I like mark Thomas the ultra satirical comedian!)

    How does selling nasri to United or City help us? Oh we get £20m to sign another player who MIGHT work out, while City or United get a definite star turn, yet you would rather jump on the managers back? Clueless and proof again that Wenger cannot do right no natter what for some. .

    If he had sold Nasri, you’d be on here slating him for strengthening a rival, FACT. And the way you keep going on about how Nasri leaving NEXT SEASON is suddenly a pressing concern. Are you willing to write off this season? Dont you want us to win trophies THIS SEASON

  41. Barcelona are like the Jeckyll and Hyde of football. On the one hand they play beautiful and potent football but on the other they bring gamesmanship and cheating to new levels and some of their players show a distinct lack of class.
    In my view they can poke their platry offers for Cesc up their collective Catalan arses. Why bother with these indecent shitehawks.
    I can’t wait for the boys to meet them next and give them a right good football lesson!

  42. That’s right, Jr.

  43. I’m still waiting for the “i can see 50,000 empty seats at the arsenal game last night”….. The stadium seats 90,000 its as big as wembley. Only about 50 k seats were sold, . ……..so yes , there are going to be empty seats. At least most of the 50k are not glory hunting chavs….

  44. Jabba's delights

    Max Gunner

    Actually mate its hoping he signs that player or finds a solution to a problem so that we can actually do better in the league i think you will find. This will allow one to have a much better debate night out amongst ones friends who support the 3 teams who finished above us this year.

    Lest be honest here, do you not get excited by a signing also???……i know i cant wait to see Gervinho pull on the shirt and was extremly excited to see Myachi and Jenkinson last night when i got home. One should be careful who they call a glory hunter

  45. BTW; Only a cretin would be too distracted by the Cesc and Nasri bullshit to not realise we havent signed a huge, transformer style 7ft commanding CB yet.

  46. Who the f is Max Gunner that everybody is talking about

  47. @mj_gunner

    I think they speak Urdu in Finsbury Park!

  48. Jabba's delights

    Max Gunner

    Actually arseblog wrote a good piece on the empty seats in the stadium today. He asks a valid question in that why if the NFL can come over here and sell out Wembley even if there are 2 unispiring teams playing why we couldnt do also. He asked wether alot of fans were priced out? I’m not sure of the averge level of income of your average malaysian but did this have an affect?? Notice these are questions like my Denilson one yesterday

  49. Home games have quite a few glory hunters in attendance. Just because they go to games, dont mean they aint glory hunters, IMO. But, dont take my word for it, here is unequivacle proof;

  50. he is a human being.

  51. JD- why is it relevant? its like you try so hard to proove your club is shit.

  52. I’m a fan not a pundit. I see the game from a fan’s perspective. My views are biased and rose tinted. If arsenal plays, and i am satisfied and entertained, i say it as it is. If they were off colour, hey, do better next time. There were games that we get pissed, for example the wba game at the emirates last year, and the wigan game the year before, yes i get pissed by their lack of attitude in those games as well BUT only during the game and not after. I’d be lying if i never shouted “get to the ball diaby u fucking wanker”…. But only during the heat of the moment and not after the match. I dont go round bashing the team when they are down, agreeing with every manc scum that comments shite about my team, no lads. I’d sooner bash the fucking manc.

    Like i said, i’m an arsenal fan and not a pundit.

  53. Anyone care to rate the performance of the New England Revolution with that of the Malaysian XI ?

    It would not matter what our manager decided on any issue, for those in the camp of managerial change, Arsene is wrong.

    MAY I SUPERSIZE THOSE FRIES!

  54. Dexter,

    Due to managerial neglect we are left in circumstances that leave us little control. Sell him and take 20million (if that has been offered) and buy a replacement or keep him and let him go for a free at the end of the season. I get the impression you’d rather keep him. Personally, i’d rather sell him. Why? Well:

    – in January he’s free to talk to other clubs. I suspect until then he’ll play well, though pulling out of tackles and not giving it the full 100%. From January onwards – after he’s signed for another club for the following season – he’ll maybe play well in glory games but if we fall out of challenging for trophies he’ll suddenly be ‘injured’ and disappear off to the nightclubs. He won’t risk injury at any point. Overall he’ll be half the player. If he hasn’t signed a contract then he has one foot out of the door.

    – i hate seeing players that don’t respect the club. I don’t want to see him running around in the red shirt when actually he doesn’t really give a fuck and is waiting to leave. I hate that. I love the club and i want to pay my money to watch players who care for it as well.

    – i’d rather see the 20 million for him invested in somebody else, yeah. You’re right, they may not bed in, but isn’t that always the risk?

    – you’re saying we’re just strengthening a rival. But there’s a very good chance he’ll go there next year anyway. I’d prefer we get money in and immediately reinvest. Aggressively go into the season with a TEAM of players who WANT to be there.

    – we’ll be carrying Nasri and Cesc next season. Two (talented) players but their hearts aren’t in it. No team can carry that.

    And to answer your question; of course i’d love us to win trophies this season but does keeping Nasri ensure that? You seem to assume that it does. I don’t.

  55. Jabba's delights

    Goonerwife

    No actually im on a blog and max gunner spoke about the empty seats in the stadium. One of the largest and most popular arsenal blogs wrote a piece on this. I have chosen to ask a malysian as to why this might be. I find it interesting as it will give me a greater understanding as to our support levels in the country. Your insecurity is quite incredible. Like many have said before it appears unless your talking about how magnificent everything is and how wonderful putting away the malysians are your a doomer.

    Some of us actually want to ask relevant questions about the club some of us would prefer to understand exactly where the club is at and how we can get better rather than just hoping everything is perfect and shouting everyone else down who doesnt toe the line

  56. Some of us, Jibber, are prepared to tell downright lies to get a point across. That is what you did yesterday. Today you are just wheedling, teasing out every negative you can and embellishing it. What a complete arsehole.

  57. Prices are M$58 to M$388. Compare that to the local league ticket prices of M$5 to M$20…. Arsenal never had a strong base here where the fans are mostly glory hunters. They pick winners. Chelski has more fans than us here. Blue manc’s fan base are on the up as well. Switching teams are common among asian fans.

    Thats why its good to be a gooner here where u know 6 years without u know what means most of the fans are true fans here.

  58. Northbank,

    Well it depends what part of Finsbury Park you find yourself in, what languages you might hear.

    On the Hackney side of the divide, there are over three hundred languages spoken. Something silly like that.

    Hey, did you find the videos of Pat Rice you were desperately seeking?
    There are over three hundred and sixty cameras, or a similar number dotted around the pitch of new Arsenal Stadium. I’m sure if you wrote to the club and asked that they might provide you with the footage to show you what you could not see.

  59. Another stinking pile of poo!
    Absolute hypocrisy.

  60. I was at the game. Sitting right in front of the corner flag.

    Just to let you know, the malaysian team are the current champions of the south east asia region and they have been relatively unbeaten since dec 2010 (we lost 1 or 2 but came out on top over 2 legs). The reason i think arsenal had it easy is that Malaysia has never played against a team so good at possession football and the malaysian players are even smaller then arsenal players so there is no bullying them to regain possession. When manunited last came 2 years back we managed a 2-3 lost.

    And i think that the stadium was only around 70% capacity because of liverpool and chelsea coming to town as well within the next week (liverpool are playing malaysia on the 16th of July and Chelsea are on the 21st) As most neutral fans or just plain football loving fans cant afford going for more than 1 match. Also considering the match was on at 845pm on a wednesday night put off alot of people outside kl. I was stuck in traffic around the stadium for an hour before the match and another hour after the match but all worth it.

  61. Jabba's delights

    Max Gunner

    See im the opposite, i would prefer to urge on my team on during the game when they are down, and then come on here and write my actual oppinion. Frank doesnt seem to realise such things can happen.

    Villa is the perfect illustration of this last year. very average season in fact in my oppinion the joint worst season in wengers tenure but i ureged the team to equalize with all the power in my lungs, i never booed i stayed for the lap of appreciation and clapped and shouted support until the end. I then decided to come on this webiste and was lambasted for saying that was a woeful arsenal performance which incidently it was.

  62. i thought it was a good game. The players got a good run out and the fantastic support from that part of the world needed imo to be recognised. Some decent performances from some and some mildly concirning from others, still early in the day of course so im not making a judgement just yet. Looking forward to saturdays game, where i assume the weather will be more tollerable. From listening to sky sports this morning it would seem that there will be far less hype around training sessions and pr days out to the mall ect. Re the naz thing, im thinking about this season. If we perform on all fronts that may play a part in him sighning a new deal. If we dont the risk of not making any money from him increases. We will have to see how that pans out

  63. Aman, like Arsenal, is a word that has origins in the Arabic language.

  64. Mark

    Sell him to who? Unless you are going to suggest a foreign team, dont bother to reply, you are being completely unrealistic and over simplifying matters mate.

    And who says its managerial negliegence? Oh yeah, YOU! Because you have been aprty to every meeting havent you? You have right? Again, unless you have, dont bother repkying as you know fuck all, as we all do here.

    You want us to sell nasri to City or United and we can just sign a new player. Pffft! Like I said, if we sold him to one of those 2 clubs, you’d be whinging, again. I know it, you know it, so stop pretending you are bothered about our financial security FFS! isnt that what Wenger gets slated for?

    And it is interesting you can also see into the future as well. You know cesc and nasri wont be up for it? Its funny, as you mention Flamini, he played out of his skin in his last year of his contract, so your argument is full of holes, no surprise, as you have an agenda forst and foremost, this is just yet another thing for the desperate to try and jump on.

    I have to hand it to you, you have more front that margate!

  65. Jabba, nothing is perfect. Why did u imply that? U were shouted down because i thought, by the way u write, u were a manc. Sorry eh?

    Nobody makes a big deal out of liverpool’s 4-3 win over a second division chinese side? If that was arsenal, imagine what u would say jabba? Fucking end of the world stuff i imagine….

  66. Jabba's delights

    Frank

    Your the first old age pensioner that ive ever said this to but your a complete waste of my tax money and your a cunt.

    you say i told a lie which one. Was it the lie where i asked whether anyone new whether it was true that Denilson got booed at the training session. Some people on other blogs were saying he did so why shouldnt i be able to ask the question . Was it where i said Malaysia arent a championship standard team? Was it in saying im happy with the win even happier with the clean sheet and delighted with no injuries?

    Where is my doom today frank is it in asking another question? Was it saying how excited i am about seeing our new signing?

    How did we win the war with people like you in our ranks you littlle coward. Grow up there aint long left.

  67. Mark: “I’d prefer we get money in and immediately reinvest. Aggressively go into the season with a TEAM of players who WANT to be there”

    I can see your point, but it’s down to Arsene to motivate Nasri and give him a kick up the arse from time to time. There is no way that Arsene is going to agressively invest in the squad anyway, it’s just not his and the board’s style. What ever happended to the £40 million we got for Ade and Kolo a couple of seasons ago? It wasn’t all invested in the squad was it

  68. Dexter,

    He’ll go to city or utd next year so get ready for it.

    It’s managerial neglect because that’s where contracts are sorted, you complete moron. It shouldn’t have been allowed to go this far.

    Flamini was angling for a contract somewhere else and he got it. He needed to show talent because he’d been pretty average before that. Nasri doesn’t.

  69. I agree with wan. See? Corner flag…. I wonder why on earth jr chose those yucky seats behind the goal? Same price.

    I heard the liverpool game is sold out. Talk about having 90k scousers in a stadium eh?

  70. Jabba's delights

    Max Gunner

    If we defended like Liv did yesterday it would be a worry yes, as i see no reason why we shouldnt set ourselves high standards from the off in this most crucial of years.

    Im not a Manc, and i have no shame in saying they are brilliant run club which is self sustaining in everything bar the buyout who we as a club are trying to emulate in alot with what we do.

  71. TheBigM,

    You’re right. I hope Wenger does kick him up the arse but that’s not his style. Nor, as you rightly say, is investing aggressively either. At least we’re not buying Downing though.

  72. Jabba,

    i’d rather u say what needs to be said during the match. End of. Not after. Why do u want to ask the same questions that u know the hacks and rival fans will provoke the same thing?

  73. Finsbury & Northbank, shake hands, guys! 😀

  74. Man utd brilliantly run? Personally i dont care what they do. I hope they go into administration and banished to the conference. I dont want to know what they are up to and i think fergie is the biggest wanker for tapping up samir.

  75. @finsbury

    a bit touchy today arn’t we!

    Do those 300 or so languages in the Hackney part stop at the eastern side of Blackstock Road then?
    And to my knowledge, isn’t most of Finsbury Park in Islington?
    Anyway, my comment to mj_gunner was meant as a joke but you’ve jumped on me like a sex starved dog put in a dog pound full of bitches. :0))

  76. Aman, like Arsenal, is a word that has origins in the Arabic language.

    Really Finsbury @12:30,
    pls elaborate…i’m v.curious

  77. “Man utd brilliantly run?”

    I am sure he means taking care of payroll of the refree association. Don’t you Jabba?

  78. Mark

    Again with the obsession about the 2012 season! You really are desperate to find fault with the manager arent you? Calling me a moron is also funny when I look at your half arsed, simplistic child like arguments. managerial neglect because a player cant agree a new deal? Oh dear, you really do live in a tabloid spaz like bubble dont you? Everything is black and white. How naive you are.

    You really dont get it do you? You really are that thick.

  79. How do you buy aggresively?

    I want to buy your fucking player you cunt?

    Something like that?

  80. Jabba is a manc.

    Brilliant run club? They are billions in debt and spent another fortune this window. They’ll go the way of Leeds eventually.

    I don’t mind Nasri playing for another season (minimum), as long as he gives good performances and gets rotated when he doesn’t. Something Wenger was hesitant to do towards the end of last season.

  81. Fuck sake! Is JD going on about how brilliant ManU are again? You already get called a manc man, leave it out!

  82. Dexter,

    Then who else deals with player contracts, Einstein? Tell me and i’ll blame them instead of management.

  83. Dexter,

    You buy aggressively by identifying your target and going all out for them. Aggressive doesn’t have to be physical or abusive in nature.

  84. Love the way Djourou can give an interview that shows things at the club the way they actually are, yet our own doomer fans still prefer the bullshit they read in desperate soon-to-be-extinct “news”papers.

  85. @ Northbank,

    ‘a bit touchy today arn’t we!’

    Steady on old chap, I’m only touching my keyboard. Was just trying to answer your plea for images of Pat Rice standing upon his feet. Sorry to read that the suggestions weren’t helpful.

    ‘Do those 300 or so languages in the Hackney part stop at the eastern side of Blackstock Road then?’

    Nope, but Arabic seems to be the language that dominates Blackstock Road at the moment, and that wasn’t the case before.

    ‘And to my knowledge, isn’t most of Finsbury Park in Islington?’
    Split between Harringey, Islington & Hackney. Makes dealing with the council a lot of fun.

  86. Mark: “You buy aggressively by identifying your target and going all out for them. Aggressive doesn’t have to be physical or abusive in nature.”

    What like Barca have done with Cesc. Worked really well that did.

  87. Markus,

    I wouldn’t call Barca’s approach with Cesc aggressive, i’d call it cowardly.

  88. Hahahaha! Thanks for explaining that to me mark Einstein! Brilliant, that is soooo funny man.

    On the contract issue, it takes 2 parties (3 if you consider the agents having their own agendas I suppose) If nasri wanted more than the club’s wage ceiling goes to, then there was no chance of him signing. If for instance his agent was telling him he could get £150k+ elsewhere then that might have turned his head, then there;s mothing the club could do about that. He was all ready to sign the deal last January and then he and his agent changed his mind. Maybe he was aware of interest from another coub, again who were prepared to offer him a massive contract.

    Why do you have to have someone to blame? Tell you what, blame his agent, they are generally scummy little parasites.

  89. @ Aman,

    OOU posted a description of the origins of the word ‘Arsenal’ once, will try and find something later on when I have the time. Comes from early medieval workshops, the original translation at that time was ‘House of Craft’, or something like that.

  90. @Mark | July 14, 2011 at 10:33 am

    Flamini situation was so special because that season we let go of two Defensive Midfielders (Gilberto – most experienced one, Diarra – most promising one) thinking that Flamini would sign the contract. But in the end he didn’t, and we had almost no one in that position. And it kind of worked better for Song as a result.

    By saying he wouldn’t let this kind of situation happen again Boss means that he will have enough covers if Samir chooses not to sign an extension and to go for free.

    That’s just my opinion. Yours may differ but I’ll stick to mine.

    Have a good day.

  91. Got to love this guy. His touch is as natural as I’ve seen in a long time. Looks like he’s playing for a decade.

    Scary stuff – for the opposition!

  92. Looks like he’s been playing for decade, sorry.

  93. Dexter,

    No problem. I thought you might need it explained due to the example of aggression you gave.

  94. Mongolian Gooner

    Thanks, thats an interesting take on it mate.

    I think if a club from abroad came in for nasri and offered us a good deal, then that would definitely be considered.

  95. Mark

    I still prefer my aggressive buying technique though! 😀

  96. Max asked:
    “Why do u want to ask the same questions that u know the hacks and rival fans will provoke the same thing?”

    yeah Jabba, are u a wolf in sheep’s clothing or a sheep in wolf’s clothing?
    Who’s side are u really on?

    oh wait,
    Usually NEGATIVE opinions @ neutral or disappointing moments
    Somewhat SUPPORTIVE when engaged @ live-action-stadium moments
    Absolutely ELATED when Arsenal win…..
    oh
    I get it now… I never make fun of depression.
    Been thru it meself

    Jabba,
    greater physical activity fills the bloodstream with more oxygen which is the ultimate healer. The highs of a good football game just can’t give u the same results as constant cardio.
    Cut Arsenal some slack
    Help yourself by yourself
    (no sarcasm)

    I did it..it works.

  97. Mongolian Gooner

    Maybe. Personally, I’m not so sure about that. But anything is possible.

    And a good day to you.

  98. Old twitchy wont be joining the spuds in S Africa as he is staying in the UK for “personal reasons” Are they referring to his tax fraud court case? When is he going to get banged up?

  99. “It’s managerial neglect because that’s where contracts are sorted, you complete moron. It shouldn’t have been allowed to go this far.”

    Is this the extent of your reasoning, Mark?

  100. Gadget,

    Tell me what else you’re needing and i’ll try to assist.

  101. Jabba, more info:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_exercise

    Thanks finsbury. can’t wait to hear more

  102. We did this a while ago….

    Arsenal – From Arabic ‘dar al sindah’, meaning “workshop for art, manufacture,” it was originally used in English to mean “naval dock” or workshops for making ships and arms.

  103. Feeling good and extra cool about Arsenal today and this article has put the finishing touches on the feel good factor.

    True, we can’t take too much away from friendlies but, we can take away good vibes from Ryo, Carl, and Ramsey. We already know that Arshvin, is world class and Rosicky, use to be but, he looked fresh and hopefully he can have a seaCeson minus the serious injuries.

    I couldn’t believe the support we had from the locals either it really knocked me back. I wonder how doomers would be treated over in Malaysia?

    Nothing could top seeing the media squirm like the fucking maggots they are this morning about Nasri. Apparently they are ok now because Wenger, has advised that he has the full backing of the brass to keep Nasri, and Cesc.

    As mentioned before, they know fuckall about Arsenal until it comes out of Wenger’s mouth and rightly so he isn’t really into them.

    I would rather see Cesc, leave and slot Nasri, in where he causes the most damage and where he is happy. He provides more bite in the middle and has a much more powerful shot and has a nasty streak when called upon. Can’t wait for it to begin.

    Roll Out The Red Carpet.

  104. Twitchy’s trying to sort out Luka”get me ouuut”Modric i think hahahahahahahahahahahahaha………. A bit early for St Totteringham’s day u think?

    He has chelsea DNA that luka modric…. Sell him twitchy for 10m…. 40% DNA discount dont forget….

  105. @finsbury

    Here’s one of Pat, passionately shaking his head whilst Arsene really shows some anger.

    It’s what I’ve said before, on the sidelines during a match, for me, he just doesn’t cut it.

  106. To think that ryo miyaichi was plucked frm school football…. We love u arsene….

  107. Art. Sounds about right. You an art lover, Jibber? HAAAAAAAHHHHHAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAARRRRURRGGHHHH HHHHHhhhhhhhhaaaaaararararararararararara….hehehehehehehehehehe…HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA

  108. In his last year Flamini played way too many games considering it was his last year. And he had yet to sign a contract. Sometimes I thought Boss should have given some minutes to others.

    So I think this season Samir will not have that kind of advantage. He will have to fight for each minute. To stay on the pitch. I can see the likes of Lansbury, Ryo, Traore, Arshavin and other guys who can play in his position competing with him and earning that place on the pitch over him. In my opinion he is no longer an automatic first choice.

  109. Mark, are you saying your logic is simply this: occurance of negative action = negligence of person in charge?

  110. @àman

    The origins of the word ‘arsenal’ come from arabic and means, ‘house of manufacture’

    Just look it up on Wiki. :0))

  111. Gadget,

    Yep. And?

  112. Mark,

    I’m guessing in Malaysia they have some sort of Medieval punishment for doomers as yourself.

    Cutting off your manhood and sticking in your boat maybe?

    Why not get yourself out there pronto.

    “I want to buy your player you cunt”.

    Busted some ribs on that one.

  113. If you don’t mind me asking, what is it you do, Mark?

  114. Mark

    Far be it for me to speak for Gadget, but I think he is suggesting that wasnt really a counter argument. It had nothing going for it, apart from calling me a moron mate! It needs fleshing out dude. It kinda suggests that because its the manager’s job (or is it Gazidis’?) then the fact a new deal hasnt been agreed, then its all down to one side; the club/magaement. Not even considering for one moment, that the player’s part in all this; simply refusing to sign, or indeed, changeing his mind due to reasons unknown (that we can guess at though)

  115. I can’t give you Henderson, Limpar, because we sold Gael.

  116. Gadget,

    I do well at what i do but what that’s immaterial here. Get to your point.

  117. Ha! Sorry Gadget, you already responded, didnt notice mate!

    Goonerton; Lol! 😀

  118. Dexter,

    I don’t support Nasri i support Arsenal. If i supported Nasri and was here talking about the situation (from his perspective) then i’d be congratulating him on achieving what i think he set out to achieve. His side have worked magnificently for what they wanted…can the same be said for Gazidis and his team?

  119. george rodger

    Dexter.Good form today mate.Just leave of the smiley faces it makes it look like you really don’t think they are cunts.Which they are.
    Jibber you must be the most unpopular poster in ACLF history.

    AKB,he actually does by the way

    “do you want fries with that”

  120. ConsolsBob

    Do you think we need to sign a replacement for Clichy? Although I am very glad young Gibbs has been given a massive vote of confidence and I have always hoped Traore gets a good run with the team, I am slightly worried about the LB position, if for instance Gibbs suffers another injury set back.

  121. Ryo Miyaichi, so hard to beat
    He’s fuckin’ quick and he’s got two feet
    We picked ‘im young as only Wenger could
    His English’s fine, in fact it’s good

    He’s gonna tear you, tear you up all night
    Ryo Miyaichi is fuckin’ light-(nin’) – RYOOO!!

    He’s from Japan but London is his home
    To get a visa sent him out on loan
    He loves the Arsenal yeah he loves it bad
    One of the best, we’ve ever had

    He’s gonna tear you, tear you up all night
    Ryo Miyaichi is fuckin’ light-nin’ – RYOOO!!

    He’s gonna tear you, tear you up all night
    Ryo Miyaichi is fuckin’ light-nin’ – RYOOO!!

    Not happy with ‘his English is fine.’

  122. Can someone help me. Arseblog have published the Forbes list of the top 50 most lucrative sporting franchises … please help me find the Spuds and the Cuntelonians before I waste a trip to the optician:
    Top Fifty Franchises

    1.Manchester United / Football / $1.86 billion
    2.Dallas Cowboys / NFL / $1.81 billion
    3.New York Yankees / MLB / $1.7 billion
    4.Washington Redskins / NFL / $1.55 billion
    5.Real Madrid / Football / $1.45 billion
    6.New England Patriots / NFL / $1.37 billion
    7.Arsenal / Football / $1.19 billion
    8.New York Giants / NFL / $1.18 billion
    9.Houston Texans / NFL / $1.17 billion
    10.New York Jets / NFL / $1.14 billion
    11.Philadelphia Eagles / NFL / $1.12 billion
    12.Baltimore Ravens / NFL / $1.07 billion
    13.Ferrari / Formula 1 / $1.07 billion
    14.Chicago Bears / NFL / $1.07 billion
    15.Denver Broncos / NFL / $1.05 billion
    16.Idianapolis Colts / NFL / $1.04 billion
    17.Carolina Panthers / NFL / $1.04 billion
    18.Tampa Bay Buccaneers / NFL / $1.03 billion
    19.Bayern Munich / Football / $1.03 billion
    20.Green Bay Packers / NFL / $1.02 billion
    21.Cleveland Browns / NFL / $1.02 billion
    22.Miami Dolphins / NFL / $1.01 billion
    23.Pittsburgh Steelers / NFL / $996 million
    24.Tennessee Titans / NFL / $994 million
    25.Seattle Seahawks / NFL / $989 million
    26.Barcelona / Football / $975 million
    27.Kansas City Chiefs / NFL / $965 million
    28.New Orleans Saints / NFL / $955 million
    29.San Francisco 49ers / NFL / $925 million
    30.Arizona Cardinals / NFL / $919 million
    31.Boston Red Sox / MLB / $912 million
    32.San Diego Chargers / NFL / $907 million
    33.Cincinnati Bengals / NFL / $905 million
    34.AC Milan / Football / $838 million
    35.Atlanta Falcons / NFL / $831 million
    36.Detroit Lions / NFL / $817 million
    37.McLaren / Formula 1 / $815 million
    38.Los Angeles Dodgers / MLB / $800 million
    39.Buffalo Bills/ NFL / $799 million
    40.St. Louis Rams / NFL / $779 million
    41.Minnesota Vikings / NFL / $774 million
    42.Chicago Cubs / MLB / $773 million
    43.Oakland Raiders / NFL / $758 million
    44.New York Mets /MLB / $747 million
    45.Jacksonville Jaguars / NFL / $725 million
    46.Chelsea / Football / $658 million
    47.New York Knicks / NBA / $655 million
    48.Los Angeles Lakers / NBA / $643 million
    49.Juventus / Football / $628 million
    50.Philadelphia Phillies / MLB / $609 million

  123. thanks for the Ryo video Limpar. Kid looks good. Imagine what a few years of working hard under AW will do for him?
    Sky’s the limit

  124. Mark;

    Wow, if we were playing battleships, that effort wouldnt even have landed in the same city as me! Cant believe how wide of the mark that post is mate.

    You completely miss the point, utterly and in its entirety.

    The point is, it takes 2 to tango and no I am not veering off topic by discussing latin american dance styles now.

  125. OK, that’s fair, Cb. Touché. Although Armand Traore back from loan softens that blow somewhat – numbers wise. I’m interested to see if we do go for another defender.

  126. Ha! George, you know I am a voluntary UN peace keeper in my spare time! 😀

  127. Dexter,

    It always takes two to tango. Of course. But if you want to win then it’d about knowing who’s in the game and what game they’re playing. On this one i don’t think the Arsenal side have played it well. I think they’ve been outmaneuvered. And it’s not the first time.

    You don’t, that’s up to you. I respect your right to feel otherwise. But i think you’re wrong.

  128. Well since we’re being frank, Mark, Dexter has summed up my point rather succinctly. My further line of questioning was just so I could attempt to understand the reasons behind your vacuous logic.

  129. Aman (loves) Arsenal

    translates to:

    Peace (loves) The House of Art, Manufacture

    makes cosmic sense….gee, thanks Limpar, Frank & Northbank

    RASERS!

  130. Gadget,

    Well, if Dexter can sum something up for you then enough said.

  131. george rodger

    Mark .How can you draw conclusions when you are not in possession of the facts you would need in order to do so.?

    The answer is ,you cant.Unless you are either an idiot or psychic.So which are you?

  132. Limpar, change English to Lingo

  133. Heh heh! Dexter,

    You just know how to control and manage your angry properly! lol.

    Something that I haven’t quite grasped but, still trying though!

  134. Mark, again, I dont think you have addressed any of the potential issues here mate. Out manouvered? Thats an interesting take. All the club has done is offer him a vastly improved new deal, he hasnt wanted to sign it, thats his choice. Not a lot else the club can do and I for one, dont think they should break the wage structure in order to try and keep him.

    But while he is still at the club, they can still try and broker a deal, you never know.

    But fair enough, we disagree man, let’s just leave it there.

  135. George,

    The facts are that Nasri has a year left on a contract, hasn’t signed a new one, can talk to other clubs in January, the club have allowed it to get to this stage… need i go on?

    These. Are. Facts. My little darling.

  136. I suspect one more signing (a cb) next week and we’re good to go lads! First choice pairing definitely verm and kos….. Rock ‘ard them two. Kos should consider shaving off his head…..

  137. Good lord, man. Is that the best you have, Mark? Are you not going to elaborate further on you logic and address the concerns Dexter raised? If you cannot do that, then you have little right to take umbrige with Dexter, because, if I’m honest, he has been quite kind

  138. c’mon george rodger , Nobody (Mark) could be Pat Rice…

  139. Limpar, just a twaek dude;

    We nicked ‘im young like only Wenger can
    This time last year he was at school in Japan

  140. Shaving off his head is a bit drastic Max! I like Kos and I think he’s going to have a great season … thrown in at the deep end, he knows what it’s all about now.

  141. Can someone headbutt Dim Wayton if you get into him by any chance?

  142. Goonerton 😀

    You’re doing fine mate, you’ll get there! Haha!

  143. Not just Malaysia/China, you will find true AFC fans in tiny weeny Copacabana FFS!

  144. Dexter,

    Yep. Last thing from me cos i’m bored and no doubt you are…

    The club could’ve sold him. Personally, that’s what i would’ve done. You get a feeling for things in business. You know when somebody is bullshitting and when they’re not. I think they should’ve seen the writing on the wall a long time ago. It think it’s a very costly mistake that could’ve had a much better outcome for Arsenal. But you don’t, that’s fine.

  145. george rodger

    Those are the facts we know.
    We don’t know what negotiations have been going on and from when.We don’t know how much he wants and for how long.We don’t know what he was offered and for how long.We don’t know what clubs have approached him or his team.
    And you would have to know all of this and more in order to draw an informed conclusion. Ergo,you have drawn an uninformed conclusion
    Which answer my question for me
    A physic you are not.
    An idiot you most certainly are.

  146. Nice post yogi. Good to see real football again. If jenkinson looked good I wonder what will happen with Manu eboue. Still hope vela can have an impact but I do not see him getting much playing time with the number of players above him. Will be very interesting which of jack w or Aaron Ramsey becomes first choice to play with cesc and song. I like Ramsey because of his eye for goal. If only diaby could have stayed fit he would have been great in that slot

    Transfer rumors have sort of dried up or at least cooled down for us. Suspect we will start the season without any more significant players in coming. Hope I’m surprised.

  147. From the love of football point of view I do like the way Kenny D, has gone about his business with adding to his squad.

    Not for moment suggesting that we should be buying up that amount of new blood as we only need tweaking. The news of a new CB on the way would end the week nicely.

  148. Ormer; Nope, couldnt find the spuds anywhere on that list dude! I think they are just behind Doomer Kebabs franchise, position number 3,557,997,053,001st

  149. Gadget,

    Do you ever have anything to say for yourself? Dexter and i disagree but at least he says something.

  150. Ormer, I’d question that Forbes list! As much as I love ’em Detroit Lions making more loot than the Vikings, Raiders, or the Jags?! I known the organisation has made improvements but I am a little incredulous at that

  151. Vela, looks like he’s been on the tortilla’s big time but, my fucking word what a touch he has?!

    It’s does make things look really stupid when we have a finisher like that in our ranks and he didn’t get a look in because a so called striker like Bendtner, was taking up space.

    Wenger, put a lot of faith and trust in the lame dane but, he shoots off better from his mouth on the massive head of his than he does with his boots.

    Cham, looked lazy as fuck though.

  152. Orma,

    What the hell that on your profile pic?

  153. I still wonder where Kenny D has got all that money from. Wasn’t Liverpool on the brink of administration last year? Surely, the Torres money must’ve run out by now. They’ve spent close to 50 million quid while not really selling anyone.

  154. Gadget – I thought the Jags were a Band! My knowledge of American Sport is on a par with journalists’ knowledge of possible transfers!

  155. Fine then, Mark, let us not type anymore words in one anothers direction. If you have not the good grace to answer to questions of critique, I have little in the way of desire to pose them. Perhaps I will simply resort to insulting your intelligence instead, but alas, how I hate the easy option

  156. george rodger

    Gadget,Fear not my fine fellow.I have taken the easy option for us all

  157. Evil, the pool got bought out by a reasonably well-off sugar daddy. They got loot to spent, as many Pool fans are happy about

  158. Goonerton – it is an ormer … a shellfish that is a delicacy in Guernsey

  159. Thats it
    Vieira’s officially retired from the game
    What a LEGEND!

    Will he join our backroom staff ?
    (where’s a damned psychic when u need one?)

  160. george rodger

    Evil .They have spent nearly £50 million without really buying anyone either 🙂

  161. we will win the league with Nasri while Ryo develops when Nasri leaves there will be Ryo to takeover and Ryo looks like someone who will be loyal to arsenal like RvP. Why I say we will win the league is because Nasri will play very well trying to justify his stardom status and huge wages for the money bags thereby making arsenal win

  162. “JD- why is it relevant? its like you try so hard to proove your club is shit.”

    Succinct and to the point as always, goonerwife.

    ***
    @ Mark
    All we know is that Arsenal started negotiating with Nasri at the start of last season, ie two years before the end of his contract. According to Philippe Auclair, who claims to have heard this from Nasri’s representatives, the deal was agreed in principle in Jan or Feb of this year. But then Nasri changed his mind, which he is free to do. We do not know why.
    Why don’t you tell us what it is that the club should have done to prevent Nasri changing his mind?
    Also tell us how you know Nasri was “bullshitting” all along?

    Is it just possible that Gazidis, who has negotiated hundreds of player contracts in his career, might know quite a lot more about making a deal than you do? I think it is.
    You are just blustering now. You have no evidence or argument that the club is at fault for the deal breaking down, and you know it.

  163. george rodger

    Aman, he has joined City’s backroom staff 😦

  164. george rodger

    FG,I think he has headed back to Le Shite

  165. Aman @ 1:33 see Frank @ 1:35!

  166. Jabba's delights

    George

    It doesnt appear you know very much does it. With regards to being unpopular i couldnt carless mate. I cant write very well but its intereesting that one see’s more and more Yogi starting to say things that some of us were called cunts for a month ago. You can still live in your lar lar land. I said months ago we needed a quality striker, you called me a cunt then, and yet now you say we need one. We said months ago even years ago we needed a big aggressive defender and you called us cunts, now you do. your a sad sad deluded man. How woudl you get on on any of the other major arsenal blogs mate, what type of stuff is most of the fanbase saying at the moment?

    Markus

    with regards to Utd there only in debt because of their owner, any normal person can see many instances in how we are trying to copy their busienss model…..no shame in saying it. They are nothing like city or chels they generate huge amounts of cash as they got on the boat about 15 years before we did. I to would love to see them relegated as i hate them and invaribaly if you finish above them you win the league so that would help us out, one can still be mature enough to respect an adversory.

  167. Why George, you are too kind to spare my honour so, but my last sentence was an subtle insult in of itself! I am already tainted.

  168. George,

    Look, i think you’re missing the point. The point isn’t about what Nasri wanted, how much Arsalal wanted to pay, length of contract, etc. These are all negotiations tactics and requests. You find a middle ground and agree or you don’t. Obviously in this case they didn’t. The problem i have is that Arsenal’s management team should have known this last year and a deadline set. I find it neglectful to get to this stage. That’s it.

  169. @ mongolian gooner
    “..this season Samir will not have that kind of advantage. He will have to fight for each minute. To stay on the pitch.”

    I think that’s going to be the case as well – the competition for all the outfield players except Cesc, RvP and maybe the first choice CB partnership will be fierce.

  170. In fact, scratch the “the first choice CB partnership”. I think only Cesc and Robin have a little elbow room.

  171. Fungunner

    You have no idea how many contracts i’ve been involved in so don’t assume anything.

    It doesn’t matter how many times Gazidis has done it in the past if he fucks up this one. It’s a 20 million mistake.

    It is the clubs fault when they’re the one’s who negotiate it. Jesus, who simple odes it have to be?

  172. mark – you make it out as if we havent been trying to get nasri to sign a new deal until now. we have been negiotiating with him since last summer – that is 2 years before his contract was due to expire. Considering that he signed 3 years ago on a four year contract, do you seriously think we should be renegotiating contracts a year after a player has been signed??? at exactly what point are we supposed to start negotiating, before they’ve signed maybe? the fact is that nasri was a talented player who’d just recovered from meningitis, who we signed on a good deal. imagine if he hadn’t lived up to expectations, we’d have people like you moaning about ‘deadwood’ on 60k p/w that we cant get rid of. Once he had established himself we began negotiations, and a year on he still hasn’t signed. how is this mismanagement?? as has been said, it takes 2 to tango, and therefore if nasri has refused to sign a contract, i dont see how that is wenger or the boards fault. fair enough if you dont like our wage structure, but you aren’t attacking that, you’re citing poor management as if this situation has suddenly arisen and that the club have not tried to do anything about it previously. you are a horrible negative and, if your arguments are anything to go by, not too bright waste of space. every day you come on here spouting unfounded bullshit, lacking the ability to give your arguments any credibility and just generally demonstrate a complete incapacity for original thought. you take every single bit of news, negative or positive, and twist it into a criticism with absolutely no foundation.

  173. Yogi, I believe it’s been insinuated that you have made the utterances of a cunt? Is this true? I must have missed all of this.

  174. Fuck me, I wish I could see the world in shades of black and white. Instead I see a mish mash of hues and tones, and yet I have the knowledge that I still do not see enough, for I can never see it all. Ignorance is truely bliss

  175. If you remember, Finsbury, it was the Venetians who changed the meaning of the term ‘Arsenal’, it became linked to weaponry because they had a particular way of getting armed ships off the production line and into the water. Many believe that their success was down to this, rather their ability to trade.

  176. george rodger

    Jibber.
    You are a liar .
    I have never called you or anyone else a cunt for wanting any players.
    I call people cunts when they think that because they want something, and the club does not provide that particular something,that they are better aware of the clubs requirements than the clubs officials.
    And further that they spout the same boring drivel that they get from the media and Le Shite.
    The difference is if Arsene does not get the LB,CB and striker I would like, I will accept that it is because he knows more than me and has better informed judgement than me.Where as you, and you like minded imbecile mates,will think you know better and that means the manager(that’s the greatest manager in the clubs history by the way)is somehow losing it.
    In short I call you a cunt because that is exactly what you are

  177. Of course when it comes to most matter of the VCC, I see in shades of rose

  178. Nasri obviously wants more cash. Give him 150,000 a week and i reckon he’ll stay but will it be worth it?

    Cashing him now would make business sense but replacing him would be problem. Throwing names around like mata and doyle (haha) around is all fine but actually signing them? What is mata’s salary now? Will he accept 80k a week? He costs 20m at least? U sell nasri now, u get 20m but if u buy mata, u will lose that 20m instantly and gain a player with zero premier league experience.

    But if we force nasri to stay and win the league, we stand to gain more even if we lose him for free next year. I can see where wenger is going with this.

    Its up to the gaffer to decide.

  179. Max Gunner,

    But you still have to replace him next year so – unless you promote from within – if you want Mata then it actually costs the club 20m.

  180. An Etihadist eh…CREAM, dollar dollar bill y’all!

    definition of Vieira…
    = a LEGEND c/o AW.

    take note doomers, Nasri, Cesc.
    What your manager is really about is
    creating Legends.

    ..”so, would u like some caviar on your fries?”

  181. george rodger

    Mark I will stick my neck out and say I think the only contract you have negotiated is for your mobile phone.

  182. @ Mark
    “You have no idea how many contracts i’ve been involved in so don’t assume anything.”
    So how many player contracts have you been involved in, in what capacity and at what level of the game?

    “It doesn’t matter how many times Gazidis has done it in the past if he fucks up this one. It’s a 20 million mistake.”
    What I asked you is HOW you think he has fucked up? What, specifically, has he done or failed to do?

    “It is the clubs fault when they’re the one’s who negotiate it. Jesus, who simple odes it have to be?”
    Ah. I see the problem. You don’t know what the words “negotiation”, or “agree” mean. They both involve more than one party. One party cannot negotiate or make an agreement alone.

  183. f**k-a-Mata we’ve got RyOO!

  184. It is really a troubling decision. I agree with Max Gunner that from a business point of view, it’s madness not to sell, but if we sell and strengthen a rival, we still have to find a suitable replacement, which might or might not settle into the PL quick. At worst, we are left with a player who can’t acclimatise and won’t be able to help the team forward this season while ManU or Man City have a top player with all the experience at a point in his career where he can only improve.
    I can see the logic behind keeping Nasri, because it certainly improves our chances of winning anything and our strength as a team compared to,well, not keeping him. It’s a risk either way, but at least it gives the statement that we are not a selling club some merit.

  185. george rodger

    FFS how about this then

    Nasri signs a new deal at the end of next year.
    Therefore we don’t lose the 13 mill. we spent on him.We dont need to spend 25 mill to replace him .Plus we have a player worth 25 mill .
    Arsense stance would have saved us 13+25+25=63 million.

    Now this is absolute tosh and stupidity on my part.I just think it is the sort of shit and simplistic ill-informed crap that Mark is spouting

  186. @ Aman
    Ryo is very exciting, isn’t he? He has charisma, like Theo has always had – you expect something special whenever he gets on the ball. And his speed with the ball at his feet is quite something.

  187. Also, Ryo has got sh*tloads of potential. If we keep Nasri this season, Ryo can learn from him and looking at the potential exhibited by the young Japanese lad, I don’t think it would be beside the point to expect that he could be a suitable replacement next season, when Nasri really leaves.
    In fact, I do wonder if seeing Ryo with the team might be why Wenger has decided to take this course of action. Knowing that he has a really good replacement at the club and knowing that he won’t have to buy to replace Nasri when he leaves next year.

  188. Jabba's delights

    Gadget

    Unfortunately for you he has just started saying some things in recent posts that portray mine and a few others oppinions in alot more eloquent way. One only ahs to look at Franks intial comments to these articles to see how he felt about them.

    If one is called a cunt for saying what they think then so be it, but there appears to be alot of cunts who have supported arsenal for a very very long time. Notice how i havent asked for the manager to be sacked there or called any of our players cunts, thats not really strange as ive never done those things. in fact it was Max Gunner who illustrated earlier the type of fan who we dont want at the ground for swearing at diaby mis placed passes. No thats no me i choose to support the team for the duration of my stay in the ground then come on a blog to discuss my actual feelings…..what fucking cuntish behaviour!

  189. george rodger

    Jibber,Explain then why most people think you are a cunt?
    We may all be wrong.But what are the chances.?

  190. @ Evil
    So true – 18 years old, it’s all to come.. And he’s tall, as well.

  191. Jabba's delights

    George

    You tend to call people a cunt for a whole host of things actually poppet

    with regards to this drivel

    ”The difference is if Arsene does not get the LB,CB and striker I would like, I will accept that it is because he knows more than me and has better informed judgement than me.Where as you, and you like minded imbecile mates”

    What happens then George if we get nailed by any team who can put half a decent ball into our box again just like the last 3 years, and we have a nightmare at left back and we fail to cope with an injury to our only remotely world class striker……what happens then. What happens if we have a worse season than the previous one just like the last 3 years. Are all the hacks and fans complete twats for being annoyed that we failed to address our weakneses agin just like the LAST FUCKING 3 YEARS YOU COMPLETE IDIOT!!!

    You see George there is method to the madness. People like you have been calling people like me cunts for nearlly 3 years and yet very unfortunately i seem to be right you always seem to be wrong. I wish it was the other way round i really do

  192. Fungunner,

    It’s the last time on this from me. With anybody. It’s boring so we can just disagree after this.

    Of course it takes two parties to agree to reach agreement. I think we both agree on that. I’m not talking about how agreemenets are reached or contracts brokered, i’m taking about how ARSENAL didin’t deal well with this.

    During negotiations, Nasri – if he wanted to stay at Arsenal – would want maximum money and maximum time. Arsenal – if they wanted Nasri to stay – would want to pay minimum money and also maximum time. Now, if BOTH parties can’t AGREE then there is a problem which leaves few options.

    Nasri can see out his contract, not sign a new one and wait to leave on a free and get loads of money (transfer fee as a signing on fee, etc) or if he can stay and sign for less of a wage than he wants. Arsenal can offer a lot more money in the hope that it’s enough for him to sign the new contract, sell the player or let him run his contract down and leave on a free. These are Arsenal’s option.

    Nasri can do what he wants. I don’t care. Like i said earlier, it’s Arsenal that i care about. This should’ve been dealt with last year. It’s a very costly mistake if he’s not sold.

    That’s it. Done.

  193. JD

    Come on mate, dont think that you get called names simply for wanting new signings! It goes way beyond that shit dude. Why, if that was all it took, then, I am a cunt! (erm, dont all agree at once now! 😀 )

  194. Yogi and Frank have disagreed quite a few times before, so I wouldn’t take that as a sign of Yogi joining the cunt side. In fact, after Saha’s “offside” goal Yogi spend the day defending his position on this very blog from those of us who disagreed with his assessment; so if anything, though Yogi maybe be as much as an authority figure here as any, his audience don’t accept his view as gospel.

    In any event, where you to ask me the qualities of a cunt, I might say “warm with depth”, which is obviously the antithesis of those labelled cunts here. Go figure

  195. George,

    “Nasri signs a new deal at the end of next year.
    Therefore we don’t lose the 13 mill. we spent on him.We dont need to spend 25 mill to replace him .Plus we have a player worth 25 mill .
    Arsense stance would have saved us 13+25+25=63 million.

    Now this is absolute tosh and stupidity on my part.I just think it is the sort of shit and simplistic ill-informed crap that Mark is spouting”

    How?

  196. Jabba's delights

    George

    As im only the most pro arsene wenger blog on the internet and whilst i dont want him out i think he has alot of work to do as im disappointed with his and the teams performance over the last 3 years. This type of oppinion makes you a cunt on this board. Your oppinions on nearlly every other arsenal blog on the internet make you the most fervant loyal akb of the lot. I know very well who has more supporters outside of this blog, do you?

  197. Fuck me! This nasri thing is not going anywhere. I figured that out a few hours back and mark and me went our separate ways. I got the house, car and HD TV, he got the toaster.

    Sorted

  198. i’m drooling already FunG @3:05
    and if Jenks & the Frimp come good this season too…….
    ooh!
    ..s’got me ticklish all over!

    Just need a committed Cesc to guarantee things…..

    (gettin’ greedy)..but boy if AW bids & gets Vidal….. OMG..sky highhh!

  199. Ha. (but i also gave him herpes)

  200. Jabba: “with regards to Utd there only in debt because of their owner”

    Ferguson putting his legacy ahead of the financial well-being of the club doesn’t help.

  201. Maybe it’s just me, but I am infinitely more excited about Ryo than I am about any possible player we might buy for the left winger position.

  202. Jabba's delights

    Gadget

    Just so i know where your coming from with things

    How would you improve the team after what ended up being points wise the joint worst campaign of Arsene’s 15 year tenure?

  203. gadget,
    I’d go with “soft & warm with depth” (LOL!)

  204. @ Mark

    You did not answer the question about your expertise in player contracts, so I feel it safe to assume, given your display of ignorance, that you have none.

    You have not answered the question about specifically what Gazidis or the club did wrong, merely reiterated your assertion that they are at fault. So I assume you have no evidence or argument to support that assertion.

    And also no mention of how you know Nasri was “bullshitting” all along.

    If you are aware that Nasri also has to agree to the contract then you accept that he is free to refuse. You cannot show that that is the club’s fault.

    You say it should have been dealt with last year. The negotiations WERE started last year, two years into his four-year contract. An agreement was reached with which all parties were satisfied at the time. No mistake there.

    The rest of your post is stating the bleeding obvious.

  205. Fungunner,

    Great. Then all’s ok, then. He must have signed if everything went so well. Well done, Arsenal, i say. Hurrah!

  206. @ Mark
    “Great. Then all’s ok, then. He must have signed if everything went so well. Well done, Arsenal, i say. Hurrah!

    We are not arguing about whether Nasri has signed or not. We know that he has not. You claimed that the club was to blame for that, and that it had dragged its feet about extending his contract.

  207. Fungunner

    I never said they dragged their feet. That has different connotations to what i’m saying.

    You think they handled it well. I don’t. Let’s leave it. We won’t agree.

  208. Why that is a most excellent question Jabba, one which you won’t get a definate answer from me, and the simple reason for this is I am not in possession of the salient facts and information, and I likely will never be.

    For me the key is understanding what went wrong with our season. I’m am not particularly fussed about our defence to be honest. I think the focus on that is a red herring. From my view, and this is tainted with a heavy dose of IIRC, our collapse happened primarily because our goal production seemed to fall sharply. Too many draws, not enough goals. We also seemed to ditch the possession game (bear in mind, all this is plucked from memory so I could be wrong). I’d need to gain as much understanding as possible just so I could begin to comprehend why this happened.

    If the answer happens to be one that cannot be fixed by some internal method, then we’d have to look elsewhere. On the other hand if it can be fixed internally, then I’d trust the staff to do their jobs.

    I’m afraid that’s the best you’re getting from me. Quite simply, I don’t do speculation. I like being able to have evidence and make testable hypotheses or at least educate guesses borne of countless hours of analysis. Anything less is just garbage!

  209. Jabba's delights

    Markus

    No i think your missing the point. Utd are run as a business, they dont sacrafice anything for the business. There net spend over the last 5-6 years is about 30m ours is like +5m.

    And lets be honest here mate i think its safe to say Alex Ferguson legacy is pretty secure. They hadnt won the league since 67, they have now won 12 under his tenure, 5 fa cups, 4 carling cups. 1 uefa cups and 2 champions leagues. He has also made them the biggest sporting franchise in the world no less and all in a self sustainable way.

  210. @ Mark
    Happy to leave it like this – that you have no evidence or justification for anything that you accused the club of and that you don’t know anything about negotiating player contracts. OK?

  211. JD thanks for pointing that fact out. I really needed that emphasising for me as I was under the impression we had a stellar season, with lots of new silver to be polished!

    Seriously mate, I am really not sure what your motivation is for this stance you insist on taking? I know you will tell me that you really love Arsenal and only want whats best for them. But you do it in such a fucking weird old way dude, I dont get it?

    I can completely understand why people think you’re a manc, chav or spud when you consistently and constantly trot out these facts of yours that do nothing but state the bleeding obvious and are all sooooo fucking miserable.

    What possible enjoyment can you get from this? Unless you are a sado-masochist that is!

    I love supporting Arsenal, I get angry, frustrated and perplexed with the manager, board, players, refs, pundits during the season (I also get loads of POSITIVE emotions from them too!). BUT, this is PRE-SEASON, traditionally a time when all fans of every club have hope, optimism and are giddy with excitement about the promise of a new season and all that brings with it.

    I suffered enough during the season, I dont need you to point out our short comings and failrues thanks.

    *This post was sponsored by the Samaritans*

  212. Fungunner,

    Jesus, could you actually get any more childish?

  213. “I love supporting Arsenal, I get angry, frustrated and perplexed with the manager, board, players, refs, pundits during the season (I also get loads of POSITIVE emotions from them too!). ”

    Quoted for truth! Bravo, Dexter, bravo. Last season may have ended sourly, but by god, I just have to think of Alex Song’s goal against Chelsea, or Arshavin vs Barca, and I’m giddy as a school boy getting fondled by his mate’s MILF

  214. Aggressively going after a player: paying more than market value, to a point where the owner tells the manager “we’re taking the deal” find a replacement.

    City’s throwing up big money for: Lescott, Barry, Milner, Ade………..

    This isn’t the Arsenal way.

    Our young players, Gibbs, Song, Djourou, Szcz, Fabianski, Theo, Aaron, and Jack are making progress. They will continue to evolve, but in the process they will commit mistakes that affect matches.

    This is the direction the club has chosen to compliment the ongoing search for talent that has not reached the playing spotlight.

    Whatever happens to Nasri and Cesc……I trust the club to understand their talent and will make a decision that is in the club’s best interest (at this moment in time).

    Thanks Limpar for posting the clip of Miyaichi…….looks like an unpolished Nasri.

  215. OMFG!

    Has he just posted that united gushing love in HERE? Why the fuck would you do that, unless, of course, you are a manc. Jeez, no need for Poirot, Miss marple or Columbo (RIP)

    Yiu are unreal JD, taking the fucking piss mate. The fact you think they are even doing it in a self sustainable way shows you are a lot more forgiving of the mancs than the Arsenal man.

  216. Lol Mark you are getting owned here. This game is clearly to big for you. Aclf regulars will rip u apart if u dont stop.

  217. I agree with Gadget regarding our end of season.

    And yes, Gadget we did give up on the possession game in my opinion. If you read quotes from Theo after the Chelsea game he says we defended as a team and closed down really well. We lost that toward the end of the season, maybe as a consequence of massive morale blows. I don’t know.

    But blaming the defence is definitely a red herring.

  218. @ gadget

    “For me the key is understanding what went wrong with our season. I’m am not particularly fussed about our defence to be honest. I think the focus on that is a red herring. From my view, and this is tainted with a heavy dose of IIRC, our collapse happened primarily because our goal production seemed to fall sharply. Too many draws, not enough goals. We also seemed to ditch the possession game (bear in mind, all this is plucked from memory so I could be wrong). I’d need to gain as much understanding as possible just so I could begin to comprehend why this happened.”

    You weren’t talking to me, but anyway, I agree! i was thinking last night – did we start conceding more goals a game on average in the last three months than we did in the previous six? I’m not sure that we did. (Although I will of course stand corrected if someone can show me figures which prove otherwise.) AW has said he wants to add height to the team for the set-piece defending, and he brought Carl Jenkinson in. But he has also bought another attackign player, so I assume that means he sees it like you and Limpar do. But the problem AW has is why did that happen to our attack? Why did players like Cesc and Nasri and to an extent AA and Theo stop producing the goals from then on? It’s a tough one to answer.

  219. Poodle,

    In your dreams, pumpkin.

  220. Jabba “Utd are run as a business”

    If they’re a business then they’re the fucking Lehmann brothers of the football world. Except when they go down they won’t take the entire world with them. Hopefully.

  221. @Dexter
    Thanks for the clip from the Fast Show – I really miss that, especially Ted and Ralph. Tomato Ted Aubergine Your Potato Wife’s Turnip Dead

  222. Jabba's delights

    Gadget

    Absolutely and a i agree with you, one can only make judgements when they have all the facts or data needed. We as football fans will struggle to get all those facts that but the very very best we can probably do is maybe take on board some other peoples oppinions even if it means hearing bad stuff about our team, as shhhh dont tell anyone but when you fininsh with 68 points and implode something has probably gone very wrong and if its happened 3 years on the trot, well one would be a fool to not ask some very serious questions. On here your a cunt for askign those questions. Everone else in the football world cant be completely and utterly wrong and only arsenal fans right.

    With regards to your ideas on our attack i agree, myself and bill have long been advocates for our mesmerasing football actually not being good enough for a title challenge. We presented facts how we nearlly always finish 3rd in the scoring charts which jsut wont do when conceding 40+ goals.George called me a cunt for all of those things as well. You see when somone actually trys to explain your very thoughts on our attack with some stats about our team and certain players, one gets called a cunt as its anti arsenal.

  223. @Mark
    To be honest, I am also curious about your credentials? Are you an agent? In what kind of contract negotiations have you been involved?

  224. “Why did players like Cesc and Nasri and to an extent AA and Theo stop producing the goals from then on? It’s a tough one to answer.”

    Because other teams worked out the way to defend against us knowing that we only have one style of play.

  225. gadget

    Those 5 or 6 (cant remember) 0-0 draws on the trot really sapped the team’s moral and the attacking intent got laboured and laborious and predictable IMO. That obviously created aload of extra pressure on the defence as any conceded goals would seem like a moutain to climb because our usually potent attack just wasnt doing it (apart from the devastating form of RvP!)

    I am in no way excusing our collapse, but its interesting that its the defence that keeps getting stick, yet the attack gets a free ride. Signing Gervinho is definitely a step in the right direction and hopefully, the likes of cesc, Jack, Theo, Nasri, Arshavin, Vela will all CHIP in next season.

  226. Evil

    I ran my own business, not football. I do know an agent pretty well. He takes a lot of abuse – and he always admits rightly so – but he’s actually all right. But he doesn’t quite ear the fortune that is always made out and he’s not quite the Machiavellian character, either. Like anything, there’s chancers and honest people – there’s always a Redknapp for every Wenger.

  227. Teams have adopted the same defensive tactics against us for a while. We have still managed to score. But we became more predictable, we played more slowly and as Gadget said, we also seemed to give up the possession game. And the question is why. Fatigue, physical or mental?

  228. Jabba's delights

    Dexter

    I posted the Utd stuff as Markus is debating as to whether they are well run busienss and then said he is risking his legacy and utd future by spending what he has done thsi summer. I showed that his legacy is secure and financially they are fine. If you dont like the truth i m sorry for you but your insecurity shines through.

    I to repley the song goal and the whole 1st leg of the barca game over and over again. I dont want to be doing that next summer i want to be proud of our season where i feel our team has achieved alot. Your previous post shows you see what we see, i choose to face it and want something done about it, you choose not to. That doesnt make me, luke, aic, goonerandy, bill, miami arsenal cunts im afraid. We are fed up watching individual game highlights after a 50+ game season i want to buy the dvd of the 2011-12 season like i have many times before for other great seasons even years when nothing was won. If i cant see that happening because of our actions over a summer i will say so.

  229. Mark

    That is such a crock of shite dude, sorry but I aint letting that go mate! Teams worked us out? So, when we were scoring loads previously and playing in the same way as the season before, hoe come it took teams until we lost form to figure us out man?

  230. He is wittering on about the Mancs again. No shame whatsoever. Btw, Jibber, your precious taxes are safe, I don’t draw a state pension. No heating allowance, meals on wheels. No nursing care. I pay for my own transport though it costs a fortune in hay and vets bills.

    To which war were you referring?

  231. Dexter,

    Some teams had worked us out and had the personnel to implement the correct formation. Others didn’t or didn’t want to.

    But, yeah, you have a point. A combination of the two – and a few other things – would probably be more correct. Our catastrophic loss of form obviously played a major part but it’s so easy to defend against us sometimes. You could see that early on in the season – West Brom at home for example.

  232. JD

    Not insecurity dude, (please dont ever think you’ve got my number, you like to lump people on here into one category FFS!) just a bit sad you have more time for another team than the one you puport to support. If I was shooting the shit with a manc, I could understand the stance and hold my own and also be gracious and acknowledge that united have done unbelievably well, yet I’d still big up my own team and tell the manc that next season, next season we’ll have it! 😀

    You’ve lost your way mate, I feel sorry for you. I am not even sure if we won the league you’d be truly happy about it.

    You can prove me wrong next May! 😀

  233. Jabba, I didn’t say he’s risking his lagacy. The opposite.

  234. Goes on a bit this argument, doesn’t it?

  235. Mark

    I think that when we play our natural game, no team can handle it, not JDs mancs, or the chavs! A loss of form is understandable and when that occurs we need to be able to change things and hopefully, as well as the defence, that also is being addressed. Thats why I like the Gervinho signing.

  236. “With regards to your ideas on our attack i agree, myself and bill have long been advocates for our mesmerasing football actually not being good enough for a title challenge. We presented facts how we nearlly always finish 3rd in the scoring charts which jsut wont do when conceding 40+ goals.George called me a cunt for all of those things as well. You see when somone actually trys to explain your very thoughts on our attack with some stats about our team and certain players, one gets called a cunt as its anti arsenal.”

    Jabber, I think this is touching upon the reason why some think you’re cuntish. You say our mesmerising football isn’t good enough, but that’s not entirely correct. I’ve not seen a game where we played mesmerising stuff and lost. When we lost, our football wasn’t good enough full stop. When you add “mesmerising” as a pre-fix, you essentially are telling me and perhaps others information which is contradictory to our own eyes.

    You also say it with finality, as though our football, the very thing we are synonymous with, our brand, the thing many of us are proud of, will never win us anything. It is rank pessimism of a foul sort. one which is insidious and can only lead to the corruption of an entire philosophy. Rather than improve on it, the implication rightly or wrongly is that it should be discarded.

    I’ve not gone in as much depth as I could, tired fingers, but it’s all about perspective, tact, articulation, reasoning, and willingness to concede an argument in the face of reason. In my opinion, the latter is where some fail and are harshly but justifiably called cunts as a result

  237. @ JD

    “i choose to face it and want something done about it, you choose not to.”

    Fundamental misunderstanding. We do want something done about it. But we are not labouring under the delusions a) that it’s up to us to sort it out – it’s up to AW and the coaching staff, our role is to support the team; b) that the answers are simple or there is one magic bullet or one magic player who will fix everything.
    We also have a sense of perspective – there is hugely more right with Arsenal than wrong with Arsenal. Despite not winning anything for a while, we have made huge progress under circumstances which have sunk other clubs and in a transfer market which has been distorted way beyond what could have been envisaged even after Abramovich came on the scene. Can you put your hand on your heart and say that this team is no better than the team of five years ago?
    And we don’t take kindly to those who go to absurd lengths or invent lies about the club or players to try to show them in a bad light.

    I agree with Dexter on this – it’s like you are afraid to hope in case you are disappointed. Bad news for you is that NOT hoping does not protect anyone from disappointment.

  238. Jabba's delights

    Dexter

    You see if a manc were to ask me will we win the league i would say no i cant see us winning the league as thats what i genuinly feel. I didnt feel we did enough last year because by looking at the facts (gadget) i didnt feel what we did last summer would be enough to turnover an 11 point defecit. Has what we have done this summer been enough to get us to 80-85 points, i see no plausable argument for saying we can get to that amount which as explained to George is the only way you stand a chance of winning the thing.

    I love Arsenal and there is so much right with us but there is also some things that are very wrong and these need sorting before we can reach our tru potential which for me is much much greater than what we are currently performing to. 68 points is a very poor total for a team who want to challenge for a title, in most years it wouldnt even get you cl football.

    As stated many times before all i ask is that arsenal does all it can in its brilliant self sustaining way to compete at the top. I dont think they do that, and i want to know why.

  239. Dexter,

    Yep. I haven’t seen Gervinho play but there’s just something about that signing that feels like it’s going be a great one.

  240. Unlike the wishy-washy supporters and bloggers who are dying for Wenger to surrender and concede defeat in his football philosophy and in his reliance on youth development, AW has shown balls of steel, the cojones of a matador to declare he will not sell Nasri and declare to the world that AFC is a big club that does not sell its best player. Even Slur Alex was incredulous and moved to say he didn’t think Arsene would have the support of the board.
    The hypocrites declared that AW was all about winning profits and not winning trophies. Now that he has drawn a line in the sand, shown that he is playing to win they all like little pussy-cats start squirming and mewing about 20 million quid.
    Balls of steel indeed. And we intend to win everything this year. COYR!

    As is now apparent on the Nasri situation, the decision by the manager

  241. Fungunner gadget

    Clearly we struggled on both ends of the pitch late last season but claiming our defending problems were noing but a red herring is hard to understand. Even if we had kept scoring we can’t win if we concede > 40 goals per season. Wenger has said as much 3 yrs in a row

  242. “I didnt feel we did enough last year because by looking at the facts (gadget) i didnt feel what we did last summer would be enough to turnover an 11 point defecit.”

    What facts did you look at to reach such an assessment? The transfer market? Or do you have access to trustworth info?

  243. Jabba: “You see if a manc were to ask me will we win the league i would say no i cant see us winning the league as thats what i genuinly feel.”

    That’s the saddest thing I’ve heard on here.

  244. george rodger

    Gadget ,you are so articulate that if you turned on me I would run for cover(in case you don’t get it Jibber ,that is a hint)

    Gadget do you think this is it……………………?
    Jibber and his imbecile mates want us to change and copy United and Chelsea in order to win.
    We(said in a very lose way)want to continue to play in our way only a bit better ,in order to win.

    That is as simple as I can put it .

  245. JD

    Mate, thats the thing though, I dont have the ability to be subjective about my team BEFORE a balls been kicked! 😀 After a match then fair enough
    Because, for me, rightly or wrongly, I imagine things like;

    Gibbs being injury free and fucking awesome
    Gervinho scoring and making the goals we missed last season
    Theo being a revalation in a central role
    Ramsey running the midfield
    Vermealen beng that leader and organiser at the back
    Nasri signing that effing contract! 😀

    Shit like that and more besides

  246. Bill

    You are way too intelligent to be lumping in those 3 seasons together as if they were all exactly the same.

  247. Jabba's delights

    Gadget

    See here is the problem mate, i can name you a plethora of games where our mezmarising football (possession football) has worked but we have lost. For 3 years Utd, Chels beat us despite our possesion game actually doign a good job. There are many other examples of when we have passed, passed, passed and passed again and gined 60-65% possesion and yet come up with the wrong score line.

    Added to this is that we concede one hell of alot of goals, i dont care where they come from i care about the final figure. If we are going to play this football we need to score alot more goals with it as one of the detriments to it is having a high line and smaller more skilful defenders which can leave you open. Chels scored over 100 goals 2009-10 utd have out scored us 5 of the last 6 years, if they are going to out score and concede less then us we are in trouble. This hasnt creeped up on anyone the stats have been right out there for years that in reality we dont score enough and concede to many. The manager job is to change this otherwise we stand no chance.

    Clichy was defended on here by George to the hilt he was considered the best lb in the prem. Yet for all to see his defending could be weak to often and 2 goals and 10 assists in 8 years shows his attacking prowess, and yet for pointing that out one is called a cunt.

  248. Markus

    What do you think Stockport County fans are feeling about the forthcoming season? Maybe they’ve all booked into a hotel near Beechy Head and having their last meal, before downing the pills and vodka and wandering off for a last walk together? 🙂

  249. george rodger

    Shotta.For years now the Jibbers of this world have been accusing Arsene of only being interested in profit and being a puppet of the board,
    Well now he has stated that he is willing to lose £20 million on Nasri ,that little theory has been not kicked into touch,more hit out of the stadium.
    Have there been any apologies from the ,for their spreading of scurrilous lies?
    Has there fuck!

  250. Last season was last season, pre-season has started and the optimisim that comes pre-season is back. Honestly we all know what our issues where last season so lets move on. Just looking forward to the new season!!

  251. Perfectly put clay man! Thanks mate.

  252. george rodger

    Anyone who thinks their ill informed opinion has more value that Arsene Wenger’s is bordering on lunatic status.
    And is no good dopes like Jibber ,Luke and AIC saying they don’t think that ,because their attitude says the fucking well do.
    And that is very much that

  253. Jabba's delights

    Gadget

    the facts were that chamack scored 80% of his goals from headers in the french league, bordeaux had wonderful crossers and dead ball players. He was 10-15 goal a seaosn player. Sorry for saying this we have no consistent corssers or dead ball speciallists so whilst i wanted a world class match winner up top we ddint get one suited to us.

    Squilaci was a squad player at a mid table sevilla in spain why would i think he would turn around are average defence that conceded 41 goals.

    Kosciellny had one year of top flight football ven our manger said he would take time to bed in and bulk up, why were we suprised when it took him a season to do it despite showing immense quality at times.

    These points were pointed out by some of us at the time last summer and we were called idiots, but in reality we were completely spot on.

    Markus

    It might be said but it is the truth. I cant see us winning the league at the moment. We were closer to 5th than 1st last year. Have we done enough to make up 12 points on a utd team who got there lowest points total in years last year…..no! Am i really confident we will make the crucial changes needed to do that, as much as i wish i said yes, past performance form our board and manager suggests no, thats where my oppinion comes from.

    How would you make a plausable argument to a manc or chav about how we would win the league this year currently without sounding completely deluded

  254. george rodger

    Dex.UN peacekeeping role beckons

  255. shotta | July 14, 2011 at 4:31 pm
    Well said.

    @ Bill
    “Even if we had kept scoring we can’t win if we concede > 40 goals per season. ”
    You can, if you score enough!
    But to address your point, Gadget wasn’t saying the defensive issues themselves don’t exist. It’s focusing on those over and above the attacking shortcomings which may not be right – because that (I think) is where we fell away at the end of the season. We were pretty much the same defensively throughout the season, apart from Johan’s purple patch, and we were very close to the top nonetheless. And you will note that I pointed out that Wenger said he IS addressing our set piece problems, which is a specific area where we performed worse than other teams. If you look at goals from open play, we were one of the best teams defensively. Also remember Manure conceded 37 goals to our 43 – BUT they conceded more than the two teams in second and third places. Crucially they scored the most goals overall.
    I’m talking from memory here, so others may be able to correct me as to figures or how it actually panned out, but this is my impression.

  256. Jabba

    Damn right.

  257. I am torn. Should we take a risk and play a mixed team of youngsters and first teamers (i.e. giving for example Miyaichi and Jenkinson a start) in one (or probably both legs) of the CL qualifier so that some of our more important players are fresh against ManU and LPool or play it safe to ensure qualification but risk drawing or losing the games against those two …

  258. Jabba's delights

    George

    Ive never once accused our manager of only being in it for profit. I admire his bravery with Nasri, i just find it strange that 2 weeks ago he said we cannot allow another flamini situation to develope. That to me is a strange turnaround

  259. george rodger

    Jabba .simple Play as well in the last third of the season as we did in the first two thirds.
    We would have won the league.Despite losing 5 games in that time(as I am sure you were about to remind me)

  260. Jabba: “We were closer to 5th than 1st last year.”

    Utter bollocks Jabba. We were in contention for 80% of the season. I’m convinced you’re a troll now. Nobody is that fucking pessimistic. Your name gets too much mention as it is so I’m done.

  261. @Bill
    Please don’t act as if 40 goals is some magical barrier and if you concede more than that, you have no chance whatsoever of winning anything. Even ManU managed to win the league with more than 40 goals conceded in the not so distant past (early 00s, as far as I remember). We conceded less, but they scored a whooping 20 goals more than we did.

  262. Jabba's delights

    funguuner

    obvioulsy will get called a cunt for saying but

    ”Wenger said he IS addressing our set piece problems”

    He said he would sort it the year before and we conceded more this year. Annoying but true

  263. @Jibber
    And in no way missing Vermaelen for virtually the whole season played any part in that, of course.

  264. george rodger

    Jabba,Just answer me this one question .
    Is there a good reason why you don’t fuck of to Le Grove where you belong ,and stop dragging us into your cesspit of negativity.?

  265. LIke I said, you’re missing the point Jabba, you are completely missing the point of being a Gooner. You talk about things as if you were discussing your accounts with a book keeper, completely without passion, joy or humour.

    This is supposed to be a good thing in your life, yet you make it sound like a tumour! 😀

  266. Jabba's delights

    Markus

    Mate unfortuantely in the real world your final position dictates where you end up…..stupid and annoying i know but true.

    I final position will show we finished 5 points above spurs as we did the previous year and 12 points off top one more than the previous year. 68 points it the joint lowest total of arsne 15 years in charge which means this very season we have just had he had the joint least positive results over a 38 game season ever. In the cl we had our worst performance in 9 years and before you say its because we got barca……we only played barac as we came 2nd in our group losing 2 games

  267. george rodger

    I agree with Dexter
    Dexter is my hero

  268. We ought to be waxing lyrical about good ol’ Paddy V, instead of the tragi-comedy that is Jabba’s life!

    Good old Paddy V, what a legend.

    Right thats enough of that, back to this weeks episode of Friendless! (only joking man)

  269. george rodger

    Oh god .I am losing the will to live

  270. Fungunner

    Agree. Our attack broke down at the end of last season so the problem was certainly on both ends of the pitch.

  271. Jabba's delights

    Evil

    We conceded 41 when he played a whole year

  272. Jabba the cunt, the NFL is not head and shoulders above football as far as proffesionalism at all. If they had to compete the same way proper football does (no caps, transfers instead of trades, tax payer subsidized stadia, etc.) the NFL would collapse. They also don’t have to build academies as they have a ready made pool of talent waiting for them in the NCAA, If you took all of these advantages away from them the sport would be in the crapper, fact.

    United is self-sustainable? Hahahahahaha!!!!

    That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard your retarded ass say since you’ve been here. They’re kept profitable by artificial means. If they actually payed some of the money they owe, they’d be a hell of a lot less profitable. You want to see a self-sustainable model that is actually paying off, look at your own club. We’re the seventh richest sports club in the world eventhough we’re paying off a debt on our stadium. Can you imagine how much richer we’ll be when the stadium is payed off and we owe nothing to no one?

  273. Alex Ice Cream

    I don’t find a lot of our football mesmerising. Far from being so it is predictable and frustrating. Too many passes and too few shots and ultimately goals. The use of the ball from the fullbacks and from wide positions generally is awful so this results in too much play through a congested centre which results in a lot of sideways passing. The pace of our play is also way too slow which allows teams to get more men behind the ball.

    With a percentage possession of 60-65% average we should have scored more goals than the 72 that we managed. We also only gave possession away 35-40% of the time yet still managed to concede 43 goals, which is too many. We often see Arsenal dominating games possession-wise, fail to score and the go behind from the first set-piece conceded. There were also some spineless surrenders during the season to boot.

    Our defensive problems have been evident for a while but when we stopped scoring enough at the end of the season we were screwed. That was even with RvP scoring in every game.

    Many supporters are frustrated with the lack of progress over the years, not just me. Many season ticket holders did not renew and some people have simply lost interest. Many of these supporters have been season ticket holders or supporters for years. People are tired of the same old excuses and the same old mistakes on and off the pitch.

  274. Hands up, does anyone on here actually read Alice’s posts? Come on, you know you dont, you just say fuck off, right?

    Thought so.

    Fuck off alice

  275. Jabba's delights

    George

    I comment on le grove loads as i do on Arseblog. However I like this blog as i really like yogi article as he portrays the othersdie of the argument to me, some of us want to here the otherside you see. I also like the pace of the blog you can get in some proper conversations where as le grove is to busy. There also isnt enough debate as they are nearlly all in agreement and just talk about who we should sign. This blog whilst still very much an (akb) domain has more of opportunity to debate and there is a growing number of people on here who you would call a doomer but in reality we are nothing like as bad as most.

  276. Dexter | July 14, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    Very well said. I like it.

  277. JD

    I really dont think I have anything more to suggest mate? I am out, you are like Dustin Hoffman in Rainman, reeling off numbers and lists. You are entitled to your opinions, but they leave me completely cold. There’s no connection man, nothing. When I chat with Luke, mark, we can have a laugh and agree on stuff, but with you?

    Nothing, zilch, nada

  278. George @ 5.15

    Thanks mate! Im touched, this ones for you;

    😀

  279. Okey cokey, time for beer, good day all.

    😀

  280. Alex

    This has to be the last year of the project. Unless Silent Stan enjoys serial failure. But it’s quite worrying how bullish Wenger is sounding. Doesn’t seem like he’s accepted the glaringly obvious (well, for those who don’t just wish to blindly follow a leader) flaws of the last few years. Pity.

  281. Jabba's delights

    Gainsbourg

    I wasnt trying to start an argument with the NFL earlier babe, i was stating that as a league its been professional for alot lot lot longer than ours…..which it has.

    They only moved to a cap and parity system when they realised the other way (our current way) was completely unsterstainable due to gross wage inflation sparked by the richer clubs (dejvu) which created an end product that started to turn off the public as it became predictble. Rest assured Glazidis has said we need to a wage cap on plenty of occasions and it is 100% going to be our future…….sliced diced dispateched!!

    With regards to Utd there interest payments get payed via there mega turnover poppet, there owners dont drop a dime into them. They were the most profitable club in the world before the glaziers bought them via a leveraged byout. That list you quote where we are 7th who is top…….ow no babe how embarrsing is it utd????

    You say when we pay off our debt we will be incredibly rich actually no we wont. We will have 18m more to spend as thats what our interest payments our every year. The only way we get richer is by increasing revenue which happens whenwe get to renegoitate our commerical deals or have more succesful tours to asia & states or via increased ticket prices or more tv money…………is that clear poppet or do you want to go back to the classroom.

    candy from a baby

  282. Mark: “Because other teams worked out the way to defend against us knowing that we only have one style of play”

    I think it has more to do with our players not producing football up to their regular standard that caused other teams to defend better against us.

  283. Jabba's delights

    dexter

    problem is none of what he says isnt true, but then you already new that didnt you, you just dont like hearing the truth

  284. 4-0 first win out of the way,, VELA looks silky with his skills on the pitch, good read yogi….
    30 days and we are looking alright irish.. name for your restaurant,, DOOM DA LOUISE FINE BURGERS AND FRIES… IT’S A WINNER… LOL

    UP THE GUNS OF ARSENAL!!!!

  285. Oh dear, I have really gotten to you havent I JD? As for AIC he does nothing but whinge and moan, thats why I ignore his posts, but thats where your aiming for obviously, thats your neck of the woods, seeya, enjoy your misery!

  286. AIC NO MORE PROBLEMS WEMGERSPIN SAYS IT JUST SET PIECES THAT NEED IMPROVING

    Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has insisted that his team is not defensively weak but admits that they must improve when it comes to defending set-pieces.

  287. Jabba's delights

    Gainsbourg

    Its hard to play at yoru best in every game. Have you ever heard of the phrase win when not playing well. We need more of that, but its hard when the only way you can socre goals is by intricate passing as that takes players to be only great form constantly

  288. Gainsbourg69

    Not for me. Passy passy go nowhere too much. Teams can read it and set their stall out too easily (with the right personnel). Gervinho could maybe be more direct so that might be interesting. I haven’t seen him play so only guessing from his stats.

  289. Its the whinging I cannot stand, really grates on me, he could well have a point in that last post, but its all the ones that went before that kinda negate this one now JD. But you seem hellbent on achieving that too.

    Oh well, its good to have a goal I suppose.

    Seeya, really out the door this time. 😀

  290. Xabi is a clueless “bastardo”

  291. looking forward to wwc final, usa vs japan…
    imo though,, japan vs france would have a final to drowel over. like both teams for their style… GO GO LADY YANKS

  292. Professional players came about in the NFL in 1920. The FA finally recognised professional players in 1885.Jibbering nonsense again.

  293. I seem ro remember last season the Villa , West Brom and many other games we lost or couldnt keep a clean sheet where Bent and other strikers got behind our defensive high line is that not defensive weakness even yesterday we were using the same high line

  294. Jabba's delights

    gainsbourg

    nothing to add to that dispatching. Just like Dexter when the stats and debates get to tough and calling someone a cunt wont surfice….one should just ignore. At least you make the effort to debate unlike a George

  295. Why the hell do you guys debate with the burger flippers and fryers?
    As Frank said, it is beyond debate. Their agenda has nothing to do with reality. If Jibber can proclaim that Man Utd is the benchmark for a self-sustaining club then it is pretty obvious we are in the asylum arguing with lunatics.

    F*ck off Jibber-Cream. We intend to win the League this year!

  296. Jabba's delights

    Frank

    There is a difference between semi professional and professional frank you should know this you were around then.

    Do you honestly want to debate whther the NFL has been professional for longer than our football and seen sport as a means of making profits for about 3 decades longer.

    Come on old timer i know ive been bashing dexter, gainsbourg and the like with some poorly spelt but otherwise faultless objective arguments but i thought more from the great frank the tank……

  297. Sugar Bear, the NFL doesn’t compete with other leagues for viewership. If one likes the NFL there is only one league you can watch. Given all of those advantages I mentioned, it makes even shit teams like the Dolphins successful. It’s easy to be profitable when you’re a monopoly. That, however, doesn’t mean that theyre more proffesional than proper football.

    Angel, if MU were to become perennial under achievers like Liverpool, a horror for you, I know, they will still have those huge loans to service. Us, on the other hand, will not. We will have a debt free stadium where all the profit will go to the club no matter what. See, if MU lose a bit of their prestige they will not secure the same commercial deals they do now and they won’t attract the big players either. That’s not too self-sustainable, now is it?

  298. Jabba's delights

    Shotta

    Can you show me how Utd are self sustaining, where does their outside finance come from you fool. Yes they are in debt so are we but they can pay for it as they are so frickign rick. There business model as a club is abotu as perfect as you can be and where we want to be, show me facts otherwise your like the others who name call but in reality just get dispatched with every argument.

    Show me a plausble explanation as to how we will win the league. You deal in fantasy i might be negative but i AIC back up our points with facts and explanation. you just think your right and calleveryone a cunt who disagrees

  299. Alex Ice Cream

    Shotta,

    There are a number of clubs that “intend” to win the League. I prefer reality in other words what we actually do. AW intends to buy “super, super” players and intends to solve our defensive woes. I have seen little evidence of either.

    Its mugs like you who delude themselves that they are happy watching a team implode season after season with “intentions” to put things right in the summer.

    You are under qualified to be a burger-flipper. The burger has more sense that you you moron.

  300. You clearly know nothing of the companies behind professional footballers from the 19th century. You just make it up, don’t you son. You need to get back to shoving your head up people’s arses in the scrum, son.

  301. This is my first post here and would like to thank Mr. Yogi Warrior and the rest of you stars for keeping this such a good blog.

    Realised my dream of going to a stadium to watch Arsenal play yesterday and it feels fantastic. Overall, the game was better in the second half as there were more one-touch passing moves on show and that’s also when we finally got to see the big guns. All the players performed reasonably well. The only player who looked out-of-sync with the rest of the team was Chamack.

    On the issue of booing, there were several incidence of it happening in the section where i was sitting, BUT they were directly exclusively at a few Manure idiots/fans and one Barca fan who were going up and down the aisle waving at everybody. Unfortunately, it happened when the game of ongoing and Arsenal was in possession.

    As for the empty seats, most of them looked to be in the MYR58 sections, which were the cheapest sections. From what I saw on tv, even Manure’s game here last year had only about 70% to 80% attendance and they are the most supported team in Malaysia, followed by Liverpool. My guess is, Malaysians generally prefer to watch games from the comfort of their own homes or at pubs because of the hot and humid weather here and the awful traffic jams during rush hours.

    What Max gunner said about SE Asia having more glory-hunting fans is true. This is probably due to total disconnect that we experience to the Clubs that we claim to support. Geographically, we are worlds apart. Our region don’t have any representatives in the BPL unlike Africa or the South American nations. There’s nothing solid to really tie the average football fans down to follow a club through thick and thin. Hopefully,these pre-season tours can change that and we will see better support for our beloved Club.

  302. I still think you’re a cunt, Jabba. Never forget that.

  303. Thank you, Zho

  304. Jesus CBob was right this “debate” does go on and on and on and on…….

    Fryer of the Day Award goes to Mark for his unrelenting and totally annoying commitment to being a douche bag.

    Burger Flipper of the Day Award goes to Jabba’s Delights for his almost professional zeal in reiterating almost every stupid headline written by every stupid hack in the last three years who want Wenger fired.

    UN Peacekeeper of the Day Award goes to none other than our very own Dexter….pause for standing ovation……for his unstinting devotion to the Arsenal way and his heroic defiance in the face of tyranny.

    Honorable mentions to Gadget, George, Kamran(what’s up mate!! 🙂 ), FunGunner, Gainsbourg, Mongolian Gooner and of course our dear friend Evil 🙂

  305. Arsene on the .com
    “I don’t think we are weak defensively but we are an offensive team,” said Wenger. “Sometimes that exposes our defenders a bit more than other teams.

    “I believe we have quality defenders. One is Thomas Vermaelen and he did not play last year.

    “In open play, we were one of the better defences [last season] but we conceded too many goals on set-pieces and that is where we want to improve this season.”

    Well there goes our new defensive signing. 😦

    Considering what he hinted at earlier about adding defensive solidity, I duno, makes me wonder why an intelligent man like Wenger keeps shooting himself in the foot. I love Arsene but sometimes he just frustrates the hell out of you.

  306. @ Zho | July 14, 2011 at 6:08 pm
    Thanks for that – good to hear from somebody who was there. Clears a few things up, as well. I have just watched the footage on Arsenal.com of the fans saying goodbye to the squad – it’s actually quite moving! I hope the squad go back there in a few years.

    @JD
    Re set pieces – he is addressing it by trying to get more height in the team. It may work, it may not. Perhaps it is not a straightforward thing to solve.

  307. A very special Holla goes out to Shottagunna , who as usual has raised the Arsenal flag and is, as always, about to do battle with those he considers the enemy.

  308. Alex Ice Cream

    Jabba,

    As much as I hate them ManU have proved that being in debt does not mean no success, Barscum also. I hope that they both go under but they won’t.

    I love it when people on here say that we will win the Prem next season; partly because its funny and partly because they don’t believe it themselves either.

    Not only are they dishonest with themselves they are dishonest with others.

  309. Jabba's delights

    Gainsbourg

    Your a really sweet kid but your bottom of the class. The NFL competes with college football and the NBA for viewership directly during the season and then in the offseason it competes with the Baseball season, you must start thinking outside of the box. When soccer teams go to asia we arent just competing with other football teams for fans we are competing with basketball and baseball teams as well.

    When Utd play in america do you think they are just trying to win over american soccer fans or actually trying to get some hockey, baseball and nba fans interested in them. Come on mate this primary school stuff. When the NFL comes over here it is trying to pull over british soccer fans into the NFL as there market is saturated.

    The british soccer market is saturated now so we are moving to pastured new to increase revenues.

    Kid with regards to Utd that little list you quoted earlier shows where utd are at. They are massively in debt and yet people have been tryign to buy them this year for 1 to maybe 1.5 billion pounds thats double our value. If the Glaziers were to be bought out tomorrow Utd would be completely debt free and there is a whole host of people who que to buy them out but at the moment the glaziers 2 billion asking price is to much…….NEXT

  310. See what happened there everyone. First solgooner, then AIC. What a pair. I guess the sun is going down around the pool. Matching hotel dressing gowns. Time for early evening cocktails. Log on. Shit on the club. Both of them heaving and straining together.

  311. I find it fucking amazing that you all debate with Jibber ignites, if you say he is mad, then you are all fucking mad for feeding his desire to wind you up.
    If you met some mad cunt on the street who wanted to talk and debate with you, you’d tell him to fuck off or ignore him and walk away, wouldn’t you?
    Or perhaps you would waste your whole day standing there and debating for what, nothing.

  312. Nice one Zho. Enjoy the season.

  313. This is really getting dull now…
    Jabber,, you keep this place interesting mate, I can say that much. With out the likes of yourself, Luke, even Jon Jon some times this place would be a boring collection of geriatric opinions and would be no more fun than a trip to the dentista. Quite honestly its almost cult mentality, and we know where most cults usually end up eh!
    That said,, Im off…

  314. Btw American Football has to be the dullest game ever. Nowhere near as many supporters as proper football.

  315. Irishgray

    Thanks. Merely trying to show y’all the way.

    Just proves the old adage that you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink…

  316. Jabba's delights

    Frank

    So do you want to have this debate about when the NFL fully embraced professionalism and when football did…..do you really onld timer??

    Look at there sport mate they formed a cap system to destroy super super wage inflation which we are havign now 20 years ago. They embraced corporate clients before our stadiums even new what an executive was. They started trying to export there league to other countries in the mid 80s, they already play regular season games abroad we are 10 years away from it…………..all of this has come from professionalism

  317. Thanks for your contribution, gunnerjones.

  318. Jabba's delights

    zho

    Great post and thanks for clarifying a few things. Kepp flying the flag for us over there

  319. Mark – You are most welcome mate and I have to admit I did enjoy the verbal (typal?) jousting between you and Dexter and the rest today. Will admit to disagreeing with you but no point rehashing what has been said already. Contests on the award by the way as it is not an easy one to win, there is a lot of competition 🙂

  320. There were corprations involved in sponsorship in proper football in the nineteenth century, Jibber. Said that ages ago.

    The NFL is as dull as ditchwater. It is a dying sport.

    I don’t think you really have got the hang of football at all, have you. It is not even your favourite sport.

  321. * congrats

  322. @ Northbank1969 | July 14, 2011 at 6:16 pm
    You are absolutely right, but you do just get sucked in sometimes.

    @ Zama
    “Considering what he hinted at earlier about adding defensive solidity, I duno, makes me wonder why an intelligent man like Wenger keeps shooting himself in the foot. I love Arsene but sometimes he just frustrates the hell out of you.”

    I think he says exactly what he is going to try but it seems to go through some sort of distorting filter and some fans hear what they want to hear.
    I didn’t expect a new first-team defender. He said he was going to add height – the height can be in midfield or up front. A cross from the opposition won’t be magically attracted to a new defender just because he’s tall.
    He said he would add a few players, he’s added three, maybe two, if you don’t count Ryo, and he’s still looking.
    The rest of it makes sense to me, in fact it’s what some of us have been saying.

  323. Eh Frank I usually do agree with what you say but to claim the NFL is a dying sport is ludicrous. I know they are having massive contractual issues, hence the lockout, but they are nowhere near a dying sport. In point of fact, it is second only to baseball over here in the States, although basketball is getting there. As to the argument regarding professionalism, does it really matter?

  324. Zama @ 6:15

    Spot on with that whole post.

    After what was said at the end of last year and early in the off season and all the rumors about samba and Cahill etc. I honestly expected this year to be different, I guess i am delusional after all. Still don’t understand why we would not at least want to have someone like that in the squad. Oh well

  325. george rodger

    Chris.You are right mate .For me that is an end . permanently.No more flippers for me 🙂

  326. There is a world outside of the US, Irishgray. Proper football is blossoming across the globe. Not so the American thingy.Too contrived.

  327. Jabba's delights

    Frank

    It will never have the appeal of our football no but to say its a dying sport is ignorent and foolish. Once again my argument is better than yours becuase i see both sides to the point where as you will only listen to yoru own narrow perspective.

    Our system will be much more like theres with a cap before they change back to us, and that my old friend is a certainty

  328. @ Frank
    I have to say the mental images you create tend to stick. I can no longer think about solgooner and AIC without seeing them in matching leopard print mankinis and flip-flops.

  329. @ Zama
    An example of the filter in operation:

    “After what was said at the end of last year and early in the off season and all the rumors about samba and Cahill etc. I honestly expected this year to be different, I guess i am delusional after all. Still don’t understand why we would not at least want to have someone like that in the squad. Oh well”

  330. @Jabba
    When we conceded 41, we had Gallas injured half the season. But fair point. Onto another, but connected matter, what’s your opinion on Manchester City. They conceded 45 last campaign (with Kompany, Toure and Lescott as their cb’s) and were the best team defensively this season (with Kompany, Toure and Lescott as their cb’s). It looks almost like defenders get better after they are settled at a club. What makes you believe that Vermaelen, Koscielny and Squillachi all won’t be better this season compared to last, now that they had time to settle etc.?

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    Alex Ice CreamAlex Ice CreamAlex Ice CreamAlex Ice CreamAlex Ice CreamAlex Ice CreamAlex Ice CreamAlex Ice CreamAlex Ice CreamAlex Ice Cream……..ANTI-DELIGHT

    Collectively sucking the life out of ACLF today..jeez!

  332. Fungunner @ 6:36:

    OK.

    If its not going to be a first teamer then it will be very difficult for any player to have significant impact on the problem he identified. Certainly plenty of time left in this window, so lets see if he adds any more height or any new defensive players.

  333. @Fungunner – I fully understand the point you are making. Arsene or Arsenal have never said that they are looking to add so & so number of defenders to bolster the squad & so on. But he did allude to it very strongly at the end of last season and alongwith his “we’ll be very active in the transfer market” statement, it kind of creates a different image. Now the window is not closed yet, far from it. We all know how much Arsene likes the last minute deals.
    But my point is not that. My point is – why raise the hopes of the supporters who are already up in arms against you to dash them later. That makes him look silly and that he is definitely not.

  334. I must admit I would like to see a bigger more robust cb avilable for games like Stoke away, but I believe for many games it would be counter productive, what we gain in defending against set pieces we would more than lose against counter attacks if the cb had a turning circle of a supertanker! Finding someone big robust , quick and agile is an almost impossible task, especially if you are not willing to pay £30m +

  335. @John – In fact with our playing style, how would we incorporate a big CB into the team. Say for example a Mertesacker, he’s big, great aerial prowess, but slow on the turn. With the high line we play a bigger less mobile CB will be a liability. As you mentioned Stoke, someone like a Pennant would either skin him time after time or get him sent for last man tackles. Its a conundrum that Arsene needs to solve.

  336. @ Zama and Bill
    I don’t think he did raise supporters’ hopes that he was going to buy a tall CB. I think that many supporters (like Bill) think that “improve = buy a player” and that “improve our defending = buy a new defender in the mould of X”. So that goes back to my point about the filter.
    I don’t know what he’s going to do. I don’t know who he’s looking at. I don’t know exactly what constraints he is under in the transfer market and who he is hoping to sell apart from Almunia and Bendtner. So maybe he will buy Chris Samba or Cahill or even Hangeland. All I meant was I don’t think he did promise to buy a tall CB.

    ****
    Bye, everyone. See you all on Saturday for the next match.

  337. You are a star, FunGunner, of that there can be no doubt.

  338. any suggestions JohnN?

  339. @ Frank – Considering the fact that I am from Dublin mate, I think it would be self-apparent that I would know there is a world outside of the US. You can keep the condescension Frank. All I stated was that the NFL is far from a dying sport which is what you claimed. Just like football is a part of national culture for the vast majority of the world, so too is the NFL a part of American, and to an extent Canadian, culture.

  340. @Zama
    Precisely the problem and the reason why I am not convinced by most targets thrown around, especially Samba. Unfortunately to find that kind of all-round CB that is technically adept, strong in the air, blessed with physical power, tall and able to play a pass or two is close to impossible. There are few around that tick all the boxes … Lucio, Pique etc.(and our own Djourou might get there when he adds consistency to his game) but those are generally unavailable.

  341. @John
    True. That’s why if we buy someone in that mould, it would be crazy to pay 10 – 20 million for someone who, in the ideal case, will only be a back up and get used as a substitute to close out tight games or might get the odd start for a tough away game against a hoofball club.

  342. Yao Ming announced that he is retiring from basketball, maybe we should get him. He is 7’6″.

  343. Irishgray @ 6:25

    God, no rehashing…

    (Though sorry to hear that you’re so wrong)

  344. JohnN:

    How do you know that a “supertanker” would hurt us against counterattacks. Thats a theory that does not really hold water if you look at the CB’s for the other top teams in England and Europe.

    We were poor against counterattacks the year we had Gallas and TV in the back, and that pairing was easily the quickest and most agile in the PL. No one asking for us to get rid of TV, KOS or JD but adding some height might help us against set pieces and might even improve our all around defense. Certainly can’t hurt to have at least one player the squad who adds some height and strength. Having KOS and TV who are similar players in their aggresiveness getting forward could well leave us unorganized and more likely to concede on counter attacks. I can’t come up with any other explanation why we struggled so much when we had Gallas, TV Sagna, Clichy.

  345. American Football a dying sport?

    Hmm… I’m sure a non-American’s only viewpoint of it is the overblown crud that surrounds the ‘Superbowl’ and an occasional game at Wembley, but it shows ones equal ignorance of another country to not know the depth of high school and college football here.
    Just an example: Alabama (american) football contrived in 1894, 8 long years after Arsenal FC, and plays in front of 101,000 fans … which isn’t even the largest stadium in college (american) football.

    Dislike it and Americans all you want, but at least choose accurate digs.

  346. Zama @ 6:54 pm: “But he did allude to it very strongly at the end of last season and alongwith his “we’ll be very active in the transfer market” statement, it kind of creates a different image.”
    But that is exactly FG’s point. Wenger’s allusion to dealing with set pieces was taken by the English media and blogs as a decision to change in policy. Given the English proclivity to huge cloggers as central defenders, hoofing the ball into Row Z at the 1st sign of trouble, it was very easy to tun this allusion into an image of Wenger signing Samba and Cahill. TBH, I never bought into the Saba-Cahill campaign.

    Irish @ 6:15 pm – Thanks much. My posts are usually of the quick, rapid fire variety as I really don’t have time to craft well-considered responses to the junk often posted on these pages. Plus it is not worth debating with lunatics. Keep making those awards – some of these burger flippers and fryers need some loyalty points.

  347. Jabba's Delights

    Evil

    Why should he only be on the bench. Has gervinho been bought to just sit behind walcott or is it good to have great options on the bench or when players are tired or god forbid a ceratin player might be more suited for the next opposition.

  348. I wasn’t being condescending, Irishgray. I am sorry you feel that way. NFL can go no further. I doubt whether its supporters are growing in number. As the balance of nationalities change in the US then proper football will take over. It is certainly the sport of preference to the Spanish speaking contingent which is growing rapidly. The success of Spain in the World Cup and Mexico’s great showing will have speeded up the process.

    I know that women have always played proper football in the US, but the continuing success of their national team and the improvement in the men’s national team will also undermine the American thingy. Of course it will always be top dog in some areas, but those areas are shrinking.

    Btw I think the draft has had a stultifying effect and will never work in Europe. Rotten idea.

  349. FunGunner:

    The boss did not promise anything but I there is not doubt that I was not the only one who got hopes up when he made those statements. A huge portion of the supporters on this blog not named FunGunner posted statements saying that this summer was going to be different. I suspect most supporters outside ACLF believed the same and certainly part of that was related to the some of the things the boss said.

  350. Jabba's Delights

    Shotta

    I think one thing that has been shown over the last few hours is how the name callers actually struggle when they are actually asked to provide some analysis to their points. Call me a doomer and a cunt but the issue being I provide a rational argument albeit a poorly spelt one behind my oppinion you just shout at people and call them cunts for not agreeing with your line. This afternoon has been a masacre for some of you your points have been dispatched with ease. There were people booing denilson I asked who it was yesterday and got called every name under the sun……thanks to zho we know.

  351. Gainsbourg

    “Your a really sweet kid but your bottom of the class. The NFL competes with college football and the NBA for viewership directly during the season and then in the offseason it competes with the Baseball season, you must start thinking outside of the box. When soccer teams go to asia we arent just competing with other football teams for fans we are competing with basketball and baseball teams as well.”
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    In terms of direct sports competition, the NFL doesn’t have a serie A or La liga competing against it, bubbulah. With football you have the EPL, La Liga and Serie A competing against eachother for fans in the world market. If you have a hanjering for the NFL there’s only one game in town. That goes for fans in Tokyo and Toledo alike.

    “When Utd play in america do you think they are just trying to win over american soccer fans or actually trying to get some hockey, baseball and nba fans interested in them. Come on mate this primary school stuff. When the NFL comes over here it is trying to pull over british soccer fans into the NFL as there market is saturated.”
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    Jabba, this doesn’t make sense. Football and the NFL are not in direct competition to one another. They’re two entirely different sports. The NFL fan has only one league, well two, if you consider the CFL at all viable, to choose from. Football has at least three big leagues to draw fans to. And just because you like football it doesn’t mean you’re going to stop watching the NFL. Contrast that with a Japanese football fan who thinks the Serie A is boring and starts watching the EPL. That’s direct competition. Can you imagine if football was just one league? It would dwarf the NFL a few times over.

    The british soccer market is saturated now so we are moving to pastured new to increase revenues.
    ____________________________________

    No. TV and satellite deals are what’s allowed football to exploit different markets. It has fuck all to do with saturation and pastures anew.

    Kid with regards to Utd that little list you quoted earlier shows where utd are at. They are massively in debt and yet people have been tryign to buy them this year for 1 to maybe 1.5 billion pounds thats double our value. If the Glaziers were to be bought out tomorrow Utd would be completely debt free and there is a whole host of people who que to buy them out but at the moment the glaziers 2 billion asking price is to much…….NEXT
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    Kid, I don’t doubt they could get a buyer for that type of money. However, that debt is not going to magically disappear. They are also not going to be at the top forever. I can’t forsee too many United fans outside of England staying loyal to them for very long if they start underperforming. And how do you know they’re valued at twice as much as we are? Our club is in London and it’s close to being debt free. That would be a lot more attractive to a buyer than a club from a city like Manchester that is riddled with debt. Look at us. Six years without a trophy and we’re seventh on that list. Can you imagine what that list would look like when we start taking over?

  352. Maybe it would have been better to say it is a stagnated sport or that it has reached it’s market potential…

    which I would agree with. It’s not going far outside the U.S. borders.

    No point talking about that brand of football though, at least not on this blog.

  353. I am aware of the passion American football fans in the US have for American football, Busch, and of its traditions. It is ignorant of you to think that I am ignorant of it. My point has been made, but to reiterate it rests upon the changing culture in the US. I am sure that that culture is not chainging as rapidly in the NFL heartlands. But proper football is coming to get you and it speaks with a Spanish accent, amigo.

  354. Jabba's Delights

    Gainsbourg

    You just don’t get it as you can’t think outside the box. Unlike in england in the US there are 3 major major sports. In new york you have the giants, jets, yankees, mets, nicks all competing for fanbases you can’t compare that to england. In ohio you have the bengals, browns, ohio state, just in american football not even looking at the cavaliers or the reds. These are mega teams with huge fanbases. Ohio state get 104,000 to every home game the bengals and browns both like 60,000 each the other college football teams in the state upwards of 40,000 can you get your head round that and that’s just in one sport. Are you with me?

    The nfl, basketball and baseball are all trying to create new fanbases abroad, just like the premiere league is. These fans minds aren’t made up yet that’s why there is a war almost going on for them. You must open your eyes

  355. Frank, once again, gets it right.

    “I wasn’t being condescending, Irishgray. I am sorry you feel that way. NFL can go no further. I doubt whether its supporters are growing in number. As the balance of nationalities change in the US then proper football will take over. It is certainly the sport of preference to the Spanish speaking contingent which is growing rapidly. The success of Spain in the World Cup and Mexico’s great showing will have speeded up the process.”

    As it stands, proper football is the sport with the highest youth participation of any sport in the country. Even if the racial make up of the US wasn’t changing, it could over take all other sports if these former youth players were given a good league to watch. Even with prominent sports media figures doing everything in their power to disparage football, the sport has grown by leaps and bounds in the last twenty years alone. In the next twenty years I can see it become the number two or number three sport in the country, easily.

  356. Jabba's Delights

    Gainsbourg

    Your just wrong with the utd debt. That debt is secured against them as it was the money the glaziers borrowed to buy them….its a leverged buyout. If they are bought out that money pays off their debt and hopefully gives them profit which it almost certainly will as utd are no liverpool. Do you get me?

  357. Jabba's Delights

    Frank

    Not quite as simple as that. Nfl also has a huge following in laten america as there are loads of role models for them. Over 100,000 in the aztec stadium about 3-4 years ago for a pre season friendly.

    Football does have a huge advantage but the nfl isn’t going anywhere and you forget all the disallusoned lower league football fans who are now becoming interested in nfl. Basketball baseball are huge in asia as well.

  358. I tend to view the current Hispanic immigration in a different light than most here.
    As opposed to most alarmists, I don’t see it with panic or massive cultural shift (well, other than what is coming with an instant communication, entertainment centric culture shift that is occurring anyways.
    Just as the Irish and Germans were feared and marginalized in the mid 1800s, the Italians and eastern Europeans at the turn of the century… those living then just saw the current immigrants struggling with or not adapting quickly and complained. Then their kids went through school and then their kids.. and low and behold homogeneity is returned, even if altered some.
    In my kids classes, most of the children of Hispanic immigrants speak perfect English and Spanish only with their parents, even if then, often it’s them speaking English and their parents Spanish. While I know it’s not a huge sample, they play baseball, basketball and both forms of football. My kids aren’t in high school yet, so who knows, in 6-10 years the state championship in soccer (had to use it) will be as big as football, but we’ll see.

  359. george rodger

    Have I missed something .Where the fuck was Shotta massacred?

    Simply saying the same thing over and over every fucking day does not prove anything other than the poster is an extremely boring bastard.

  360. george rodger

    Busch,Why would you think we dislike Americans?

    Jimmy Connors is my second most(after the God like Dennis Bergkamp)sporting hero
    And I have no hero’s outside of sport so……………………………

  361. I agree with you, Busch, no problem with the Hispanic culture. Apart form the player tapping up thing but that is probably limited to Catalonia and Madrid.

  362. Jabba, for the last time. In American football there’s only one NFL. In football there’s Serie A, La liga, the EPL, the Bundesliga etc.. The NFL has no direct competition when it comes to their sport. Now, I know you suffer from a mild retardation but do try to keep up, son.

  363. Frank, it took Brazil five world cup throphies to become as arrogant as they are. It took Spain just one. It says a lot.

    Busch, I think you’ll find that most here have the same view of Hispanics as you do.

  364. Shottagunna – I think you are onto something there mate and as a matter of fact I shall indeed be awarding Frequent Fryer Smiles to those who do not learn there lesson. As this is a new award we shall start tomorrow with all Fryers having a clean slate and see who at the end of the month is the lucky winner!!!

    Mark – You are more than welcome mate!!!

    Frank – there is no comparison between the two sports globally. In America though you are right in saying that soccer as they call it here is growing, despite many obstacles. Yet to then go on to claim that NFL itself is”dying” is something else entirely. Yes the Latin population is growing in leaps and bounds in the States and yes they live for football but to say they ignore American Football is a fallacy. I have lived in New York City for 14 years and I can tell you that both American football and baseball are watched by the Spanish immigrants living here just as much as by any other immigrant group, be they Irish, German, African or whatever. I would even go so far as to say they have a better youth set up in the States for American football than any other country, bar Holland maybe, when it comes to football.

    I do agree with you on two things however. Firstly the draft has ruined the game more than it has helped it but unfortunately I do not see it going away. Secondly the wage cap is a great idea and will eventually be needed in football, if not already so. I like the idea in baseball that the lowest rated squad players are guaranteed to earn at the very least a set percentage of what the highest players earn. In other words when an idiot like Shrek is given a massive pay hike, his fellow teammates are also guaranteed to receive a raise.

  365. Jabba, the NFL doesn’t have a huge following in Latin America. Mexico is but one country and the popularity of the sport is due to the fact that it’s close to the US. Go anywhere else in Latin America and you’ll find that no one watches that sport.

  366. Gainsbourg – They don’t really watch cricket either but I would not say that the sport is dying. I can definitely see the day when “soccer” is just as if not more popular than the NFL but it is a long, long way off.

  367. Frank @2:51

    I once saw an Italian Reggae band whilst in the Arsenal, in Venice. So that’s where the Brits might have got the idea for copper bottomed boats from?
    The history of these technically pioneering Arsenals is fairly impressive.

    Not sure if Polizano would approve of the following, but I guess that must be because ACLF is, in the opinion of a self declared ‘realist’, a ‘cult’:

  368. Thanks Irishgray.

    Summer in Madrid is the most boring time of the year and place, I think. No football. There are some pitches but nobody playing on them. If i had to choose the dates of my visit, this period certainly wouldn’t be one of the options. Nearest friendly to me now is when Arsenal play FC Cologne in Cologne. And it’s on the day of my departure to Mongolia!!! Ironic.

    So I was thinking of watching a bullfight on Sunday evening in Madrid. Watched one last Sunday I think it deserves to be seen twice. The way those toreadors behave and act on the field is so interesting.

  369. I think the difference outlined between Gridiron and Football is one of demographics.
    Gridiron has a much much smaller audience compared to football and yes, even cricket (uh, India!).

    Anyway, this tour for Arsenal is turning out to be quite cool.

  370. Whats the story with Denilson ? did some one say he got booed? did he throw a strop? (again) ? what went on?

  371. skywatchingmug

    Good luck to Patrick Vieira a class act. I remember being at his first game for The Arsenal. Most of us was calling him Patrick Who, before the game kicked off. A power cut in the East Stand, I think delayed the start by 20 mins. Rain was in the air and Sheffield Wednesday where ripping us apart. New formation and bad basic defending had us on the ropes. One – nil down after about 20mins
    we were lucky not to be two down. Then we made a substitution,
    Razor Ray Parlour limped off after about 30mins after an earlier crunching tackle left him injured.

    On came Patrick, I didn’t know what to make of him at first. A tall gangly looking player. But after his first winning tackle, he then turned out of trouble pursued by two Sheff. Wed. midfielders.Then he looked up and sprayed a pin point ball out wide. I remember turning to my mate and we both looked at each with shock on our faces. And in stereo we shouted, ” Did you f**king see that?”. Still losing by half time the buzz all around the ground was about Patrick. Elegant passer and so comfortable on the ball and he could tackle.

    To cut a long story short we went on to win 4 -1 driven on by his magical debutant performance. Even though Wrighty had scored a hat trick that night, everyone had Patrick as the player of the match.
    In the narrow streets around Highbury as we left the ground, all you could hear was people talking about the witnessing of the second coming of the Messiah. And he was called Patrick Vieira.

    Thanks for a stand out night following The Arsenal
    and thanks for all you have done for the club.

  372. Duke – Don’t you dare start that one off again!!!! 🙂

    Mongolia – You are most welcome 🙂 I remember years ago backpacking around Europe and constantly hitting some amazing cities only to realize that because it is summer I would not get to see any great teams play. Madrid, Barcelona, Paris, Marseilles, Munich, Milan, Rome. Great memories but still how much better it would have been to have seen them all play. Have since been lucky enough to see them over the years but alas it was not meant to be.

  373. Sky – Bravo could not have put it better myself.

  374. News coming out of the Emirates is that if they don’t sell Almunia they are thinking of making him ball boy for next season. However, there are doubts that he’d be able to catch the ball and get it back on to the pitch quick enough.

  375. Limpar Assist – We need a video of Vieira and you are the man for the job 🙂

  376. Twitter news: Gervinho has finally started his twitter accounts, they are;

    Gervinho_official_1
    Gervinho_official_2
    and Gervinho_official_3

  377. Reading through skywatchingmug’s memory about Patrick made me jealous of “tribal gooners” (as Kenyan Gunner said once). Excellent post about excellent player/legend.

  378. Barcelona whinners???? OMFG!! i cant believe i read this!!!

    NO COACH WHINES MORE THAN ARSENE WENGER AND YOU KNOW THIS!!! JUST LIKE NO OTHER PLAYER WHINES MORE THAN ROBIN VAN PERSIE.. what a fucking hipocrites you all are!! LOL!!!

    Yogi, WTF??? you say that Barcelona lack finesse???? Well, it will be a fucking cold day in hell, before Arsenal reaches half of the class and respect FC Barcelona has EARNED through a hard working ethic…

    “In short, they are nothing more than petulant schoolchildren who think that the time when they are top will always remain, forgetting that it will not always be the case. When their fall comes, it will be of no surprise to see how many enjoy gloating over their decline.”

    LAUGHED MY ASS OFF!! when i read this!!!

    Have you seen our new academy?? Many more times the size of la Masia!! (where your asshole/hipocrite of a coach loves to poach as hes done so again this year) The enormous ammounts of super talented kids that will wear our colors in the future will be yours to envy for decades, as there is absolutely no chance for tiny arsenal to compare itself IN ANY WAY to Barcelona..

    We have:

    Infinitely better youth development system: No argument there, is there??

    Better football overall: yours is just a cheap, ineficient copy, as you would win something otherwise.

    Better infrastructure: No arguments.

    Better players: No arguments here either right?

    Way more respected worldwide..

    Balls of steel, as we do take risks.. For good or bad, we do USE the money!! And we may be not doing so well economically, but we are wining Liga, Champions League regardless.. We will succeed period!!

    Better Stadium: Been to emirates, no comparison..

    More history: No arguments.

    More trophys: LOL!! of course! cause U dont win shit!

    Better manager! i dare you to argue this!

    Messi (age 24) has not reached his full potential yet!

    The fact that you girls are expecting a decline in my teams behalf is simply beyond me!!.. Laughable and ridiculous!! you just made me wonder if youre all experiencing a simultaneous menstrual period!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    “It seems that Fifa is not interested in promoting personnel due to excellent performance. Massimo Bussaca, the Barca lapdog is now Fifa’s head of refereeing which means that this is either payback for helping the Catalans or someone has realised how genuinely useless he is and decided promotion is the way to get him out of the way”

    TALK ABOUT WHINNING!!! LOL!… Are you saying that we PAY those FIFA?? or that we FORCE them to favour us in any way?? got any proof?? speculating over delicate matters such as these is very, VERY disrespectful Yogi, not much FINESSE on your part..

    “His constant pressure on refereeing is just one of the many dark arts he expertizes” WHAT A GIANT VAGINA!!!

    “Barcelona are like the Jeckyll and Hyde of football. On the one hand they play beautiful and potent football but on the other they bring gamesmanship and cheating to new levels and some of their players show a distinct lack of class” JUSSST ANOTHER LIAR AND BIG MOUTH!! NO FACTS! jusst speculation coming out of big mouthed fans..

    Gervinho (all 3 of them), Adebayor, Kolo toure, bla, bla, bla… YEP, LOOOTS OF CLASS THERE!! Surely more educated than Xavi right?? lmao!!

    Shit, restaurant is full, gotta go to work… I was inspired and could have gone for hours fending off all of the bullshit i find on this blog that i will harrass untill you LOOSE Cesc and Carlos Vela… Holy shit, this mexican is amazing!! If your dickhead of a coach gave him more minutes, he would surely show he is as talented (or even more) than Manchester´s Chicharito..

    ’til Tomorrow. 😉

  379. It’s a shame that todays blog was hijacked by the doomers because I was really looking forward to discussing yesterdays game.
    Personally I thought they looked good. Extremely pleased that Ryo and the lad Jenkinson got a game and both looked capable and perhaps ready for the EPL.
    Gibbs was ok but Traore looked better in the second half.
    Don’t think we need anymore midfield players, even if Cesc leaves. Frimpong, Song, Jack, Rambo and Nasri would be sufficient plus Diaby.
    Defence looked good, with a couple of tweaks I think they’ll be fine next season. With Jenkinson being able to play at CB we really don’t need a new CB either. Think he is gonna be the buy of the century. Why pay millions for Baines?

    GK’s, Chez, Fab and the italian mafia looking geezer will be enough.

    Well thats my two penneth worth. Team to start against Newcastle:
    Chez, Sagna, Verm, Djourou, Traore, Ramsey, Nasri, Wilshere, Gervinho, RVP, Miyaichi.
    a big risk but that’s what I would play. Newcastle won’t know whats hit ’em. oh shit, I’m playing fantasy manager :0))

    Subs: Fab, Jenky, Frimpong, Diaby, Arshavin, Rosicky, Chamakh.

  380. Just watching Sky News and Stewart Downing’s season stats were up. £20m buys you:

    38 Games
    7 Goals
    7 Assists
    Chances created 78
    open play crosses 243 (only Baines had more)

    cross completion … 21%

    Keep the money in the till boss. Theo for me any day.

  381. george rodger

    Do not feed him

  382. Great post Yogi, one of your best of recent times

    @ consolsbob

    “I can’t give you Henderson, Limpar, because we sold Gael.”

    I thought you were keen for change? It’s not always going to be the players you think should go that the people in the know think should go

    @ Fungunner

    “Teams have adopted the same defensive tactics against us for a while. We have still managed to score. But we became more predictable, we played more slowly and as Gadget said, we also seemed to give up the possession game. And the question is why. Fatigue, physical or mental?”

    I think it was a loss of confidence. Having lost important matches while trying to play our game, they retreated into their shells and by trying to play it safe, ended up playing with the handbrake on, when we know we are at our best when we take risks.

    P.S. why are some of you feeding the manc troll JD? Are you really that bored?

  383. Oh, I forgot to mention Vela, looked impressive yesterday, hope he stays this season. He probably would have been on my bench instead of Chamakh (going on yesterdays performance)

    And just as I try to get a decent discussion going, that fucking spanish, dago, greasy pikey cunt posts… oh well.

  384. I don’t think it’s dying but it’s not more proffesional than football, like Jabba said. If you’re going to compare football to the NFL then you have to account for the fact that NFL teams are not clubs, but franchises which don’t have to worry about transfer fees, stadiums, academies or competition from other leagues abroad. And, yet, with all of these advantages, they are not even that much richer than teams like Arsenal and Manure. Also, the NFL’s international reach is very limited. They are not making the same inroads into Asia and Africa as football are, nevermind Europe and Latin America. Further, the world cup is the most watched sporting event in the world. I think you have to be well organized to achieve that.

  385. Watching Gains pisss all over Jibber and his delusionary ideas ,which he imagines to be facts, gives me a certain warm glow. But I am concerned for the boy. How can one be so smug and arrogant in the face of all evidence to the contrary?

    Consolbob says there are two extremes and by his own admission will no longer to be drawn into taking one side or the other. So Jibber should continue to pontificate all his extremist, half-arsed ideas without rebuttal? Is this the future of this blog?

    Just wondering out loud.

  386. We love you Arsenal, we do..
    We love you Arsenal, we do..
    We love you Arsenal, we do..
    Oh, Arsenal we love you!

  387. cuervo aint there a better barca blog you can bugger orff to

    Northbank that team looks weak. mr miagi is not what we need now, another apprentice , yeah that will help us win the league, traore at lb , how the fuck has that happened?.

  388. Bradys right foot

    Cuervo | July 14, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    Well done sir 633 words written and all bollocks.

  389. Cuervo:

    You waste your time reading and commenting on something you have no interest in just for the shear pleasure of making yourself an ass. I bet you enjoy spitting in the soup in your restuarant hoping whoever eats it gets sick. You probably burn ants with a magnifying glass and drown little kittens for entertainment. You actually must believe we care what you think. Strange person you are.

  390. Duke,
    I honestly don’t think it would be a ‘weak’ team, Walcott could be in instead of Ryo but I believe ryo will be as good as Theo, not just yet, but if he got a start against say, Newcastle, he would play his little heart out. Could put Theo on the bench as insurance.
    As for Traore, I sincerely believe he will dominate for LB this coming season, and good at getting forward and can put in accurate crosses. Just right for Gervinho’ head.
    It would be a team Newcastle would not be sure of and therefore slightly nervous.
    I saw a closs up photo of Rosicky’s headed goal yesterday, the boy can’t head. The goal was more luck than judgement, head down, eyes closed…. the ball came off the top of his head. pure luck that it hit the net. And the cross from Arshavin wasn’t a cross, it was a chip.

  391. Bradys right foot

    george rodger | July 14, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    M8 Jimmy Conners is one of my all time sporting heroes. Jimmy didn’t play tennis he went to war.

  392. Northbank – Of course his head was down and his eyes closed as he was trying to protect himself from getting punched by the keeper. You are one of those who say we have to learn how to score without all the “sideways passing”, that we have to learn to win ugly. So he scores a somewhat sloppy goal and you still slate him!? WTF!? And what about his positioning? No credit for that I assume. As for AA’s chip, it also took a slight deflection off the defenders head, surprised you are not slating him as well.

    Even your Avatar has doom and gloom written all over it!!! It’s the preseason, enjoy it you nutter!!!

  393. Cuervo

    It’s easy to win trophies when its a two horse race and the other one is fit for the knackers yard. As for the rest, well, we’ve known that you’re not even based in Spain for some time…

    YW

  394. @Irishgray

    I wasn’t slating him, just saying that what I saw, shows that he doesn’t have the skill to head a ball. You wouldn’t worry about the goalkeeper punching you if you had the bottle to head the ball, normally just go for it.
    And I’ve never said anything of the sort about the teams passing. It’s their game, the way they play and win games.
    However, they do need to be able to change to a more counter attack plan when neccessry! Miyaichi and Trare will add that type of different attack format along with Gervinho.
    How did you know I was a nutter??? :0))

  395. skywatchingmug

    He comes from Senegal, He played for Arsenal.
    VIEIRA.

    A better write up over @ Vital Arsenal. Hope you don’t mind me plugging it YW. But it is something else, a tribute of a great man.

  396. All this crap about a big centre back not being able to play to our system is pathetic,,
    Any one remember Sol ?

  397. Irish,Northbank is no doomer.

    Arshavin will be huge this season if we rest him well.
    Thomas could surprise a few as well.
    I could be the year the deadwood .Would that not be a laugh.

  398. Gunnerjones,Sol did not play when we played this system.Not when he was any good ,that is.
    A little thought before you post will help you seem less stupid in future.

    “do you want fries with that?”

  399. Northbank – Fair enough, I may have jumped the gun a bit. My bad 🙂 Pass the ketchup ‘Arry!

  400. George go fuck your self you never think before you type do you you idiot,, so Sol did not play for us recently did he,,
    Go stick your tung back in Franks arse hole ! I have no time for you.

  401. George? I get the feeling you dont like people!! always making enemys you are , you’ll end up like Tony Blair.

  402. Gunnerjones.Not my fault you made a stupid post

  403. Please explain what is stupid about it George,, can you do that? Are you capable?

  404. Duke ,like I give a toss about negative halfwits like him.
    But you already knew that didn’t you?
    You and I get on just fine now don’t we?I even agree with you from time to time.

  405. Nasir Jones-Nasri

    I’m now 100 percent convinced Jabbas is a fat Manc.

  406. Northbank1969 | July 14, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    Twitter news: Gervinho has finally started his twitter accounts, they are;

    Gervinho_official_1
    Gervinho_official_2
    and Gervinho_official_3

    Hahaha….not sure what 1 & 2 will be ever used since he always speaks in the 3rd?

  407. Well I repeat Sol did not play in this system .Unless you count the 6 months he came in as cover and looked like the exact reason why people are saying a big clumsy CB will not fit.You know when we looked really poor,
    Or are you saying we played this system when he was in his prime?

  408. And I am not one of those saying that Gunerjones.I am just pointing out the obvious flaw in your obtuse post

  409. I like Tony

  410. Hmmmm , so what system were we playing then, and if I remember correctly he actually brought some much needed passion and drive when he came back,
    Past his prime yes but still able to do a job for the team. Now a younger player of same or similar physique could easily play a part in helping the team..
    As for ubtuse posts you are the master of those.

  411. IrishGray,

    That’s ok mate, I didn’t take offence!

    As I live in France, I’ll have mayo with my fries!!!

  412. What’s “ubtuse”?

    And who is Tony?

    Where am I?

    Mmmm….I could murder some Fries right now!

  413. A lot of crap to wade through tonight, but as usual the odd gem ~ anyone else think our away-kit looked pretty damned cool ? Theo! Deus! God!

  414. Never mind George , I should know by now you are just a wind up merchant looking for a fight. ,, Im off, time for some Colorado mountain stream fly fishing…

  415. Northbank – Mayo it is then buddy and lots of it! 🙂 Now it’s off I go for some Sushi and Sake with The Girlfriend. Later peeps!!!

  416. skywatchingmug

    Tony Adams and obtuse , not in that order.

  417. Gunnerjones.Did you read where I said I was not one of those ?So why are you telling me about drive and passion?
    You were wrong we played 4 4 1 1 when Sol played for us as a first time. And he looked like a fish out of water in this system,We even had to adapt to help him look less ineffective.

  418. Tony Blair actually in answer to Duke earlier

  419. skywatchingmug

    One out of two. Can’t complain. Got the bit about you being obtuse right. 😉

  420. Not me I am the bringer of fries,Nothing obtuse about me.

  421. Ponyboy

    I liked the new kit as well, will take a bit of getting used to.
    Watching yesterdays game I kept thinking arsenal were in yellow. I actually thought that they should have played in the red and white.Wouldn’t have made any difference with Malaysia in yellow.
    George, stop upsetting people lol

  422. Nasir Jones-Nasri

    I’m from the states and there isn’t a more boring game in the world than Yank football. Yank football has been dead to me forever, even more so ever since the Patriots cheated their way into their trophies. Interesting that Jabbas supports both Man U and the PAtriots. Two of the scummiest teams you’ll ever come across in any sport. For me, it’s all about baseball and the beautiful game. Dodgers and Arsenal til the casket drops. After my couple trips to the UK, I’ve found cricket to be quite interesting, too. Similar to baseball in some regards.

  423. Northbank, thanks for the reply; agree it took a while, but looked much smarter ‘on the hoof’ than the TV5 and Nasri pics – think (depending on the season ahead!) it could become a classic

  424. Yogi’s post are second to none but the dross that is gaining a foothold in the comments section is fast ruining this blog. You need to wade through shite comments about Man U and NFL garbage until you reach something remotely connected to YW’s post.

    Keep working on a system to only open comments worth reading YW. Must be possible with Javascript.

  425. Barca will always be the dirty little cheaters. They will get theirs. 4-0 a good win. After Barca cheated to win,. actually they paid the ref to cheat, there I said it, our season went downhill after the horrible loss. The guys never recovered. I can’t wait for the season to begin. If you get chance check out the Copa America. Brasil is playing like shit so is Argentina. At Argentinos played better in their final match. Messi is still MIA. he had three assist. Tevez sat. A good move.

  426. Want to see Cuervo whine?

    Cuervo, how come Real Madrid has more CL trophies than Barcelona?

    Sit back guys, a whole slew of fascism this and Franco that is coming your way.

  427. Northbank, gets a bit racist when he has too much wine, no?

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