Arsène Ambitiously Defiant On Cesc & Nasri

As Gervinho arrived at London Colney, he found that the squad were doing likewise in Malaysia. Had he been able to do so, he would have seen his manager in fine form during the first press conference of the tour. Arsène was a shining beacon of defiance in front of the assembled media.

He would have expected the questioning to be dominated by Cesc and Samir Nasri’s situations; the media would perhaps have not expected the robust defence of the situation. At the end of it, no-one was in any doubt that his preference is that both will stay.

With Cesc, that is the least surprising news. Barcelona have made a summer habit of disappointing bids for the player. You have to wonder how he feels about it. No doubt forlorn that a deal cannot be struck but is his ardour for the move quelled at all in the knowledge that he does not rank highly in their quest for new DNA at the Camp Nou? It must hurt that his heart’s desire is rebuffed? Or is he simply blaming Arsenal, convincing himself that they have the right to demand a substantial fee for his services, one that is beyond Barcelona at the moment?

Nasri is a different matter. In the last year of his contract, Arsenal have not yet given up hope of him signing a new deal. If he does not, the club has a choice: sell the player or lose £20m and a player next summer. That presumes he will go, something Sir Alex Ferguson was keen to highlight even though it will apparently not be to Manchester United. His comments are curious; a manager would not normally comment about a destination unless seeking to destabilise the player? There is a suspicion that Nasri is giving the thought of staying serious consideration.

His position though was highlighted last night by the AST as a problem for the club. Focussing on the Transfer Proceeds Account, fears were raised that the club will be in a position of having to sell to reinvest if Nasri stays. It is an incomplete suggestion; cash held at the bank does not equate entirely to transfer and wages funding. The money in the account has to be replenished from sales but that is not the only source.

However, even though the theory of losing £20m is not wrong, the manager chastised the media for their hypocrisy. Constantly chided for not spending, Wenger’s decision is to keep the player and the opportunity cost is to lose the transfer fee. It is smoke and mirrors because the real opportunity cost is the loss of the transfer fee plus whatever is spent next summer in replacing him. It might be nearer to £35m all told in that scenario.

Arsène believes that to lose the players suggests a lack of ambition,

I believe for us it is important that the message we give out – for example you see about Fabregas leaving, Nasri leaving – if you give that message out you cannot pretend you are a big club. Because a big club first of all holds onto its big players and gives a message out to all the other big clubs that they just cannot come in and take [players] away from you.

We worked very hard with these players for years to develop them and now it’s time for us to keep them together.

Losing Nasri and Cesc in one summer is the nuclear option. It cannot happen. Arsenal are in definite control of one, not so much of the other. If one goes, one stays. The situation with Nasri, to my mind, is simple. If he will not sign a new deal now, sell him and take the fee, reinvesting in a player who wants to be at the club.

Robin van Persie is working on Cesc as well,

He is a special player, he can see things quicker than others. He will be a miss for any team, that’s why I hope that he stays and we can play a bit longer together

The Dutchman spoke of their connection, how the  captain sees opportunities earlier. There is an unpsoken consistency in Cesc’s play that has brought his colleagues admiration. The praise seems more heartfelt than that given to others, a sure sign that players of this calibre are not undervalued by club or colleague.

This, I feel, underlines the difference between Nasri and Cesc. The latter has played consistently throughout his time at Arsenal. The former? He has sporadically performed, never more than three months at a time. But is to lose one a lack of ambition? No, it is a recognition that the player is maximising his earnings by moving elsewhere.

Arsenal’s policy is egalitarian, the differential between top and bottom earners much narrower than others. Is this the correct policy? Theory suggests that selling players is more difficult because of the earnings, squad members more content to sit and take their money than actively seek first team opportunities. Perhaps this might be KSE’s legacy to Arsenal; make a wider pay band, reward the first team players on the pitch, incentivise the rest to perform consistently on the pitch, raise their game to get into the first XI.

That’s it for today, football is returning. Never have pre-season friendlies been more welcome! ’til Tomorrow.

Posted on July 12, 2011, in Arsenal, Football, Premier League, Premiership, Soccer, Transfer Gossip and tagged , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 402 Comments.

  1. Wenger is deluded. And a liar. He’s turning this club into a joke.

  2. Nice post YW. Nice to see Arsene in such a defiant mood I thought.

  3. does the fact that he wants to and will try to keep both Cesc and Nasri illustrate ambition or just sense? Personally I would rather see Nasri go now and pocket £20m. £20m + his wages is an enormous amount to pay for one year and/or to demonstrate you are a big club. Will the Spuds do it with Modric? Is there a sea change coming?
    At least AW’s comments show a bit of determination and purpose. Chins up lads.

  4. Great post yogi.

    I am very optimistic for the season ahead, especially now with arsene’s defiant stance re Nasri and Cesc (although I’m sure many of us expected it from the off). Not that it will silence the media for the time being…

    Anyways, I hope we return from the far east with no injuries, and that we are raring to go to demolish Newcastle at St James.

  5. Mark @ 8:52,

    what did Wenger lie about?

  6. Fantastic comments to wake up to. Talk about ‘statement of intent’, there you have a literal statement of Arsenal’s intent.

  7. Nice one YW. I agree, if Nasri does not sign a new contract on return from Malaysia I would sell him to the highest bidder.

    Mark ~ DYWFWT

  8. Wenger is deluded and unwilling to face reality.Fans have no more faith in him.Evern Persie is asking him to spend big.He is again turning to youth to play in the first team. Miyachi and Jenkinson will have to show what they they can do.
    All this is admirable but I am afraid without the spine,which can only be provided by experienced players,the gunners will flatter to please.
    What then for time wasted. Sack the manger of course.

  9. Hi Nasri goes free, AW should be sacked for his stubborn stance and folly

    We had enough nonsense of players escaping for free because of AW’s so-called faith that the player will stay.

    That will be the last straw.

  10. His whole stance now is one big lie. He lies to you, to me, to the players, to himself, to everyone. You can’t believe a word he says. He was great for this club, amazing in his time, but his ego is now way out of control and it’s become damaging. Things will only get worse.

  11. So we keep Nasri an unhappy player for one more season knowning he will leave for nothing next summer.Did we not learn the leassons from Henry and Adebayor two players how didnt want to stay and their final season was a disaster.Not only do we lose out on a £20m transfer fee but one of our rivals gets him for free.
    And how are the fans going to react when Nasri shows the form he did for the last 4 months of the season?

  12. Congratulations Mark, that’s the third different ID you’ve posted under in recent days.

  13. No school today boys?

    Maybe Wenger’s comments were intended to force a higher price for Nasri.

  14. Nasri stays we lose £20m and then we have to buy a replacement up to £20m.So it could cost us up to £40m for him staying for one more year.Wonder what Silent Stan thinks of that.Just burning morning

  15. Some poor Arsenal fans believe media shit as if these issues (Nasri, Cesc) are the only time a top club has ever had to face such a dire situation. Arsenal’s is a picnic compared to our rivals. Essien out, ouch! Tevez publicly declares he wants out, oh man! Modric! Ye gods. Pool spends 35 million on Carroll! plus their new arrivals. Goodness me. Thankfully Wenger has the coolest head in town. SAF’s comments in all this are deeply interesting. It confirms my conclusion that he sees Arsenal, once more, as the major rival. They fear Wenger. One notch up, and Arsenal starts to win stuff. SAF knows. Pray that Cesc leaves. Talk up Nasri leaving. Mind games and a willing media.

  16. Some of these people need to take their medication a bit earlier in the day.

  17. 32 days and counting people,, the least we can do to help the team is to get behind them with one voice of complete support. stop the bickering and SUPPORT YOUR MANAGER AND TEAM. FOR THE GOOD OF THE CLUB. don’t let the media, ferret face ferguson or anyone else for that matter split you up. don’t fall for the mind games.

    UP THE GUNS OF ARSENAL!!!

    ARSENE KNOWS, ALL THE REST JUST BLOWS..

  18. You make a good point about SAF’s comments ZimPaul. He is a clever man at mind games (been at it for decades).

  19. sell nasri fans are unhappy, keep nasri fans are unhappy. And ofc Gooner Ted knows nasri so he knows that the player is unhappy. Cos the papers say so. so ofc it must be true. cos Ted KNOWs that nasri is unhappy and hates the club and will do anything to get out.
    its great to have the oracle of ted knowing it all

  20. Thanks YW, another top post.

    Nasri will sign a new deal with us, I’m pretty sure. Wenger is very persuasive when he wants to be. But I suppose, if this extra £10k or whatever Nasri’s after is that much of a sticking point, then fine, see you later. Would be a shame as he is definitely in the arsenal mould of player (on the pitch anyway), and I think he can go on to do great things for us – maybe even for a whole season…! You never know. Hope he does sign soon, and gets rid of his shitcunt of an agent while he’s at it.

    All this shite about Arsene lying to us..? He only lies to protect players and sometimes the club, and even then it’s never anything damaging. If you think that he’s lying about being active in the transfer market or having ambition, then you’re sorely misguided. He is blatantly trying all he can to secure the right player for us. We will have at least one more signing, and personally I think that’s more than enough to push us towards trophies this year. Just someone t spice things up, and some intensive defensive training, and we’re there imo.

    COYG!!

  21. Why third? One I used my first name and the other my last name. Two different phones (and for all you conspiracy theorists there isn’t one). But thanks for the congratulations.

  22. I agree with Zimpaul – great post, man.

  23. Disagree with you there, Yogi, about taking the money if he doesn’t sign. The gamble is can Nasri be persuaded to sign between now and next summer. Plenty of ways for that to happen. I think Nasri wants to sign. If Arsenal have a successful season, can you see him not signing? I think he would sign if we win the league, for example – and, I’d imagine, on a better contract than’s on the table now. Even if we don’t win the league we’ve got the whole season to work on him – and the whole season for the club to be in a position to offer him a better contract. Of course it’s a gamble, but it’s one I’m well up for us taking because it shows great belief and ambition.

    NaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaaaa!

  24. Are you a postman? A great one at that?

  25. If we do well during the season Nasri will sign a new contract anyway IMO. It is good Wenger is taking this stance. Of course it could be a ploy to raise any bid for Nasri, but he is right in that you don’t sell your best plsayers.

    As for him telling porkies, he has always done that with the press. And why not? Why should he show his hand to other clubs. I would not be suprised in the slightest (for example) if we went out and bought a left back. This just days after saying we don’t need one. If clubs think we are desperate the fee rises. Arsene plays the media as well as anybody.

  26. So you have a double-barrelled surname, eh?

  27. dupsffokcuf “Some of these people need to take their medication a bit earlier in the day.”

    Very true. Amazing that some people think we’ll still challenge under wenger!

  28. besides everyone knows that the minute Arsenal manages to keep consistancy there is nobody that can compete with them. They are that good. Ones the last ingredient is in place they will be invincible.

  29. Limps my man, how goes it? Is the rule still that other clubs can start negotiating a contract with him when he has 6 months left on his current contract? If so, I agree with all you’re saying, but we have a little less time if he’s going to be stubborn about it… I’m still confident he’ll sign, even before the season starts.

  30. joe – you say ‘they’. You’re not a gooner then I take it.

  31. Geo – Thats right, 6 months. Which would give us until December before other clubs starting throwing silly amounts of cash at him (which we would not compete with).

  32. Yogi’s Warrior “So you have a double-barrelled surname, eh?”

    Is that to me? No, only one. My son is named after a popular (dead) performer from a beat combo so maybe that’s what you’re alluding to.

  33. I’d rather lose money than sell Nasri to the Manchester teams. Bad economics? Yes! Spite? Definitely!

  34. SAMIR owes it to AW and the clubto sign an extension even if we don’t win the league. least he can do for the faith and patience shown these past three years. he might go for the oil money next season but he won’t go for free. ARSENAL isn’t a vultures peeking thing..

  35. Let’s save everyone a bit of time here:

    Posting using multiple IDs is not permitted on the blog. You want to do so, fine you go into moderation. Two people this morning have been found to be doing so. As I’m not going to be round for a lot of the day, from this point onwards anyone caught using multiple IDs is going to be banned from the blog with no reprieves.

    Frankly you are very tiresome when doing so and stop a decent debate before it gets going.

    YW

  36. Anyone posting using multiple IDs should be sin binned for a day!

  37. I don’t underdstand the logic in posting under differnt names anyway. It seems very childlike. Are people afraid to stand by their views?

  38. Seems so GA. Good work Yogi.

  39. YW

    I don’t really go on forums – but so annoued with my club right now – so I didn’t realise it was a big deal. My mistake. I’ve only used my surname and first name (and obviously my son put in his). I’ll stick with my first name from now on to avoid confusion. Apologies.

  40. oops joe sneaked in as my nick 😮
    anyway they i men WE ofc.
    WE WE WE = arsenal arsenal arsenal 😀

    @ Goonerandy who cares, if he plays really well for 6 months and contributes to us winning the league hes worth it no? AW has used 35m well then. hes got us a trophy with the help of a player that may go for free next summer, though still. hes done what most fans like you want. sacrificed money to get us a trophy.

  41. I thought Joe was Poodle. Seems strange if he was posting under a different ID.

    Don’t always agree with you GA, but I do with your last comment

  42. @yogi, you are always around and monitoring the blog?? hope someone pays you for this cos you doing a good job btw. But like all the time? you get anything els done at all? 🙂

  43. YW

    What happens when Gervinho starts posting under his three personalities?

  44. thank you Adebayor, you’ve made my week. Priceless? Maybe not. Valueless? Absolutely.

  45. Aaron Ramsey, “the welsh captain” aged 20 man it sounds way way way cool! Maybe he would be a good captain in the future for us. He is said to be very vocal in the dressingroom despite his tenter age.

  46. Poodle – “@ Goonerandy who cares, if he plays really well for 6 months and contributes to us winning the league hes worth it no? AW has used 35m well then. hes got us a trophy with the help of a player that may go for free next summer, though still. hes done what most fans like you want. sacrificed money to get us a trophy”

    Two things really. Firstly I have never advoctaed us sacrificing money to get a trophy. Secondly, the main reason I am happy with Wenger’s stance is that it shows that we won’t be bullied; not by other clubs, and not by player power.

    If he helps us win the lge, yes it will be worth it. Our aim to to win things.

  47. the penalty for double posting…
    YOU GET TO MAKE THE FRIES…. HAHAHA
    HOW’S THAT FOR SIN BIN KENYAN.. 🙂

  48. sacrificing money is the same as using money no?

  49. I agree with GA – it’s about not being bullied, and showing we are a top, powerful club.

  50. Sacrificing money is throwing it away. Using money is investment.

    I would say that in the Nasri situation, Arsene is gambling a little. That said, he stated the club are in a financial sound position to be able to do this. So as a gamble goes, it is one worth making.

  51. Nasri & his agent are greedy, but to backstage is basterdly..

  52. you are a cheaper, mark

  53. I’m working on a few web-based databases and applications, they have all gone down – apart from ACLF!! A sign maybe? 🙂

  54. “Barcelona have made a summer habit of disappointing bids for the player. You have to wonder how he feels about it. No doubt forlorn that a deal cannot be struck but is his ardour for the move quelled at all in the knowledge that he does not rank highly in their quest for new DNA at the Camp Nou? It must hurt that his heart’s desire is rebuffed?
    Or is he simply blaming Arsenal, convincing himself that they have the right to demand a substantial fee for his services, one that is beyond Barcelona at the moment?”

    How he feels about it??? his ardour for the move quelled??? it must hurt that his hearts dsire is rebuffed??? LOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!

    Yogi, yogi, do not pretend that you dont know, that Cesc is now trapped at Arsenal by his own doing.. He cant blame anyone but himself!.. He signed the contract extension with arsenal, and no one forced him to do it.. The consecuence, is that Arsenal now have every right to ask for whatever ammount they want. For Barcelona, this situation is very discouraging.. Especially, when we are NOT DESPERATE to have Cesc.. We just won the Champions League and Spanish league WITHOUT Cesc.. remember?? Im not saying that Cesc would not be a great addition to the team.. We have other midfield greats in Mascherano and Busquets, but theyre both contention midfielders. Thiago is a genius of an attacking midfieder like Cesc, but he lacks experience in big games and needs many, many more minutes..

    Cesc´s fee is not beyond Barcelona (even if we are in big trouble economically) the real problem is that we have other targets like Alexis Sanchez that also cost a lot of money and another player central defender.. Add those numbers up and you will understand why the reluctance to pay more than for Cesc when we shouldnt have to..

    Ironically, it is Arsenal who should be spending big or at least competing with other teams to land some seriously experienced players.. Again i ask, what is the fucking purpose of having a financially stable team if you dont win shit?? you are not risk takers, you dont fight for quality players, Arsenal just seem to be comfortably numb!!.. you may mock our “dissapointing” attempts to land a great player like Cesc, but at least were trying to buy real world class player, not some fucking unknown retard that speaks of himself in third person..

    Good luck with that!

  55. Nasri should appreciate all that Wenger and Arsenal have done for him. He owes us at least another two years when we can then sell him for 50 million or something. To a team like Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, AC Milan or Inter, etc

  56. There is not necessarily a cost to replacing Samir Nasri if he runs down his contract next year. Firstly we will no longer be paying his salary, and secondly it is entirely possible that one of our youngsters will have proved a more than adequate replacement. Of course if we win the EPL, entirely possible, he might be a little uncomfortable with moving on. That is his risk. Best thing that Samir can do is to knuckle down and make sure he keeps his place in the team next season.

    Similarly with Cesc, everyone assumes that the ball is in the Spanish club’s court and that they are in a position to dictate terms. All they have to do is to offer the right price. Not so. Arsenal are completely in control and have the choice of selling him or not regardless of price. Best thing that Cesc can do is to knuckle down and make sure he keeps his place in the team next season.

    Ignore it all

    ….Arsenal….

  57. Agree Linpar. Keeping Nasri for another year is obviously a huge risk, but equally ambitious.

    It also offeres Wenger more alternatives. Sell Nasri this summer, his hand is shown and a knee-jerk replacement could be sought.

    Keep Samir and he:

    1. More time to work on him
    2. More time to assess Ryo
    3. More time to scour the Market for a suitable replacement

    Personally, I’d rather we take the risk than sell him this year. He will rise to the top of European footballers, let’s hope it’s with us.

  58. Cuervo, it’s not Cesc’s fault. He’s got his agent to blame. Had he had a four year contract he’d gone. The idiot agent had less faith in Cesc than Wenger did. Wenger gave him the eight year contract because he knew that he’d polish the rough diamond. The agent probably thought Cesc might flop and bought the deal!

  59. I don’t pretend to be an accountant, but I wonder if the math on here today is accurate.

    If Nasri stays we gain 20m but have to hire a like-for-like replacement. Using Yogi’s value at 15m, then the club is 5m to the good.

    If Nasri stays and runs down his contract we don’t actually loose that money, just the opportunity to have banked it. The actual cost of Nasri leaving without transfer fee next year would be that we have to replace him a year later at the end of his contract from zero – i.e. that we pay out the 15m without anything to credit against it.

    So if Nasri goes we are 5m ahead this year. If he stays we are out 15m next year. But you can’t add the two together. It is one or the other. The maximum loss would be the 15m changeover next year.

    Yes, we pay more wages this year to a staying Nasri than we would a replacement, but there are lots of other intangibles. If, as Sagna, said today, Nasri’s heart is in it, then for argument’s sake we are getting the continuity of a more seasoned player who is already part of the system.

    My guess is that the boss has two intentions with this. The first is to send at this critical time a resoundingly clear message that Arsenal are not a stepping-stone club that our young players just walk out of when they get another offer. The other is that he feels that the value of Nasri in the side could quite possibly mean a difference in winnings this season that could easily balance out the potential 15m loss next year if Nasri goes at that time. Just having him in the side for the Championship qualifiers instead of a new replacement looking to learn the system is potentially huge.

    People say endlessly that Arsene won’t spend money. Here he is taking quite a little gamble, but for 2 very good reasons, and the amount at risk is still less than everyone seems to think.

  60. The advantage of having a financially stable club with an excellent youth policy is that eventually success will come. The solution to the problem we had last season is not to change strategy it is to plough on, and that is what we are doing. With or without support.

  61. Off to the stadium for a fans day to watch the arsenal training session now. Starts in 2 hrs!

  62. pissoff curve BARKA, or should i say barfa… you went twice to the banks to pay your players this year. if i was you i would crow so loudly. what an embarrassment. your team is filled with hired guns. mercenary fool.

  63. Cuervo – You must be so proud of your team full of the most respectful saints ever to grace the footballing world. They are true gentlemen, full of integrity and respect for other teams and players. Their staff, again, act with utmost class and treat others oh so well. You must be so proud that your team continues to spend close to £100mil every year, when your country’s economy is in epic failure. You must be so proud that your players come out and take turns in attempting to tap up our captain (as well as others), you must be so proud of ‘peek-a-boo’ Busquets, Pedro, Alves and all the others who writhe around in ‘agony’ at the slightest touch. And your Presidents.. well.

    All these things have made me change from absolutely loving Barcelona FC for the way the club was run, the football they played and the overall ethos behind them; to absolutely fucking hating them for all reasons mentioned above.

    You play the best football in the world. You are the best team in the world. Why tarnish everything in the name of cheating on the pitch, as well as bending the rules in pursuit of players? There really is no need. Such a shame that this once beautiful club, has turned into a beacon of hate for most people who can see them for what they are.

    I used to love Barca – might even be moving there in a year, but I’ll be supporting Espanol if the time comes.

  64. Have fun, Max Gunner!

    @ hkm
    Agree with this bit:
    “My guess is that the boss has two intentions with this. The first is to send at this critical time a resoundingly clear message that Arsenal are not a stepping-stone club that our young players just walk out of when they get another offer. The other is that he feels that the value of Nasri in the side could quite possibly mean a difference in winnings this season that could easily balance out the potential 15m loss next year if Nasri goes at that time. Just having him in the side for the Championship qualifiers instead of a new replacement looking to learn the system is potentially huge.”

  65. an obviously good sign geo
    AW’s got his bat out and boy he’s swinging!

    Its up to Nasri
    Does he want to be part of a great thing or just another sucker who fell for the short term?
    Cash ain’t everything matey
    Neither are trophies!

    We are the ARSENAL.

  66. Frank,

    Regardless of what happens this summer Cesc and Samir will remain as automatic starters if fit.

  67. Frank – “The advantage of having a financially stable club with an excellent youth policy is that eventually success will come”

    You need to insert “hopefully” before “will” (or after).

  68. Great post as always, YW

    Good to see the pre-season spirit taking shape. Last season was dominated by the emergence of Frimpong and Djourou, with Jack also solidifying his place in the team due to injuries to injuries Denilson and Diaby.

    Over the past six years, these pre-seasons for me have been at the crux of Arsene’s reluctance to rush to the transfer market.

    Remember Wilshere absolutely owning Salgaldo aged 16? That’s the second I knew we wouldn’t buy another CM for a long while. I drew a similar conclusion when I watched Ryo’s first game for Feyenoord. Ignoring the fact that he got the nod in the starting line-up after one week on the training ground, the kid just blew me away.

    Wenger’s no mug. He’s bullish behaviour regarding Nasri stems from that fact. The kid is bags of talent…and unlike the flair-type youngsters (Joe Cole, Aguero, Robinho, Neymar), he has that eye for a tactical dribble. Not keen to dribble a single player again and again (ironically much unlike the Ronaldinho he was nicknamed after), He dribbles solely to find that bit of space, and then paces and powers his way past.

    Make no mistake, he’s no finished product. His final ball, much like Theo’s, usually comes from the byline after he’s either run himself into the corner of the 6 yard box, or after he’s rather selfishly made sure he can’t score the goal himself. That’s expected I guess, last year he was a school-boy.

    But you know those things you can’t teach a player? Agility, balance, that potential for that wicked shot that drags opposition players out of position…kid’s got it in bags. Wenger’s probably rubbing his hands in anticipation of the possibility of bending him into a legend.

    I might be wrong. He might flatter to deceive. He might end up being a poor fit in the team, much like Vela. We’ll all be able to make our minds up soon enough…and that’s the joy of an Arsenal pre-season. It’s that 1 chance every year for everyone, “deadwood” included, to stake their claim in the first team every season. No obscenely superior pay-brackets dictating the automatic first team. No arrogant marque signings to make the entire exercise a marketing debacle. You take your chance (Like bendtner, Gibbs, Jack, Frimpong), !!BAMM!! your in.

    Now it’s up to Ryo, Lansbury, Frimpong, Vela and Denilson to prove themselves to the gaffer.

    That’s the Arsenal Way

    And I won’t have it any other way…

  69. Players are coming through thick and fast and want playing time, Luke. Samir cannot afford to perform as he did in the second half of the season. Same with Cesc. Even if fully physically fit they both need to ensure that they are on their game and focused on performing for Arsenal.

  70. Jabba's delights

    Delighted we have signed Gervinho as i think he can add alot to our attack. I do however feel that people are going a little bit hyperbowl over Wenger words. He told us nothing that we dont already know about Cesc in fact he underplayed his love for Barcelona by just saying he wanted to go there has ”they are the greatest team at this moment”. Its just to convenient that Cesc isnt on tour with us, im afraid. I fully expect him to be off this summer and i think he is starting to turn the screw on us a little.

    Wenger has come out and said that he ”cannot allow” another Flamini situation to develope, so i fully expect Nasri to either be sold or sign a contract very very shortly. I think we will cave in to his financial demands if Cesc leaves. Keeping Nasri is the right option he plays his best football when in the cesc role.

    Wenger chat about the LB situation is hugely worrying. It wasnt a great position for us last year and to go in with Gibbs, Traore and TV i think is crimminal. Gone our the days that Wenger can afford to give a starting slot to an unproven player. This is Wenger year and to start the seaosn with Gibbs (talented, but untested and injury risk) and the quite frankly awful Traore is major gamble and not one he can afford to take.

    Cant wait for tomorrow and for alot of our lingering questions to be answered within the next week. CB, Striker still desperately needed. Bendtner, Denilson out and lets find Myachi, Lansburry, Bartley, Afobe, Aneke, Colquin some quality loan destinations

  71. Quality post Geo.

    I found myself wanting Real to win the league last year. As much as I dislike Mourinho, you would be a foolish to bet against him bringing Barca down.

  72. No, goonerandy. In Arsenal’s case, success will come.

  73. The Boss says Nasri is very happy at Arsenal.He clearly has not spoken to Ted,Because he says he is unhappy!!
    What makes people assume that negotiating a new contract makes you unhappy?
    What does the likes of Ted and multiposter think Samri should do?Just sign the first piece of paper shoved in front of him with “contract”written on it? Why pay some low life 20% if you are not going to allow him to get you the best deal he can?

    Anyway,Ted and,Mark,do you two want fries with that?

    Luke.Good post today.

  74. Mark | July 12, 2011 at 8:52 am & kings | July 12, 2011 at 9:10 am.

    You are two naive fucking idiots who spend their time sucking on the media’s cock flavoured lolly pop and regurgitated shit.

    You are that dumb that you can’t see that the media, bskyb, an utd are all one of the same who have tried to make out as if Nasri, wanted to leave.

    If you recall, for 2/3 weeks it was reported that utd and city were having a bidding war for Nasri, and both had made offers.

    This ran for good while until last week when “skysources” confirmed that NO bids had been made by any club for Nasri.

    This was most prob because according the them Arsenal FC are in decline but, when they realised nobody told Arsenal that they were in decline and it’s only them and fucking rass idiots like you, they backtracked like the shit stirring cunts they are.

    fergie, is shitting himself because he knows his team were handed the title due to a mental implosion by Arsenal. He knows we are only 2/3 players away from doing what we did some years ago now.

    When have you ever seen or heard a manager telling the press that a player he thought he was getting isn’t coming now but, will be joining another team? How the fuck could he possibly know that?

    This is coming from a team who was shitting bricks when their best player question what they were doing and held them to ransom and is now on 2k a week or some shit like that.

    If you had any bumba clart sense you can see from Wenger’s comments that he is making a statement from his point of view and also warning the brass upstairs that big clubs do not sell their best players just in case they are thinking of trying to cash in.

    YW,

    I have never made any such request but, please remove the comments them cunts made or at least put them further down the thread as it’s not the first thing true fans want to see.

    I wish I knew where they lived.

  75. Haha! Good post goonerton. Hope you find em!

  76. Nasri, this Cesc,

    It’s not like any of them have questioned the club’s direction as rooney did is it?
    Is it as bad as modric saying that he had a Gentleman’s agreement that if a big club (have to laugh at that) came in for him.

    How the fuck is Nasri, not signing yet bigger news than that? There you have it.

  77. Regardless of whether Fabregas and Nasri stay for another season – Wenger has not addressed our dreadful defence issues ( as usual). The only top defenders in the squad are Vermaalen and Sagna. The rest are either not good enough or are too young and inexperienced. Djourou looks the part of a tall powerful centre half but is found wanting when it matters or is injured for large parts of the season. We desperately need top quality players in the LB and CH positions and a defensive coach because Wenger has not got a clue how to organise a defence and dealing with corners ans set pieces!!

  78. Frank – OK then.

    I would imagine that if he stays Nasri will be playing much of his football from the left of our front 3. Gervihno’s worst for Theo and Arshavin. Nasri would give Gibbs more protection (which he is going to need) than Arshavin though.

  79. Goonerton – when you have the mental capacity of a strangled fart from a dead baboon, it’s best to not question others.

  80. I agree with Luke….Hang onto Samir and have options available…barring the sell Samir for a small fortune now. The benefit is to the side now and gives us hope we can challenge this year. This could be Nasri’s standout year, if he can settle down. Ryo is an option to come into his position but also, Wenger’s comments indicate he is interested always in developing the offensive side of our game, if another attacker joins he will by the presence of Nasri in the squad have more time to bed in, without hindering results.

  81. ARSENE TO GERVINHO

    Bonjour, bienvenue and all that, let’s save everyone a bit of time here:

    Playing using multiple personalities is not permitted in the club. You want to do so, fine you go to Ivan’s office. Two players this morning have been found to be doing so. As I’m not going to be round for a lot while in Malaysia, from this point onwards anyone caught using multiple personalities is going to be loaned to Stoke with no reprieves.

    Frankly it gets very tiresome when doing so and stops a decent pre-season before it gets going.

    Yes, I mean you, … and you, …. and you.

  82. i dont get you curvo, what is your point? that we should sell Cesc or keep him? that you dont need him, then why do you want him?
    and why do you write a post about him in the first place?

  83. Goonerton – “fergie, is shitting himself because he knows his team were handed the title due to a mental implosion by Arsenal”

    Heh, I am sure he is.

  84. Jibber,Usual crap

    “DO YOU WANT FRIES WITH THAT”

  85. fergie, should be more concerned that he is USA and Giggs is back in the UK and knows that Mrs fergie is home alone.

  86. Martin 90 – All very true.

  87. Cheers Geo, I hope your first few sentences are good enough to buzz off this li’l c*nt

  88. Martin 90 – You seriously don’t think we have a defensive coach?? Ok…

    Djourou and Kos are both quality. Kos was great in his first year in the prem – and Djourou was also (his first full year in the team after injury). They were both thrown in at the deep end due to TV’s injury, and in defence, there is so much more opportunity for massive mistakes, season changing mistakes – and apart from the CC final I can’t remember many at all. For a striker or midfielder, you have more room for errors, and have more time to adapt and get used to your surroundings – but as a CB, you need to be perfectly sharp and in tune with your partner from the word go.

    Give them time to adapt and get used to playing for Arsenal, as well as in the EPL, and you’ll see how awesome they are. They are getting to know each other’s games, and getting used to the frenetic pace of our league. IMO they did a brilliant job when un-expectantly called upon last year. They played far more than expected, and did a fine job.

  89. Lets assume that Cecs and Nasri stay as the manager has said. With us adding Gervinho I really don’t see us signing any more attacking players. Which leaves us back to signing adefensive player. I don’t think our cheque book is closed so I remain hopeful. If we end up having to replace Cecs or Nasri, I think the defensive signing will not happen.

  90. eerr Cuervo the fucking point of having a financial stable team is that when your fuckin country drowns in debts due to irresponsibility of their citizes the club does not get dragged down with it.

  91. goonerton said”I wish I knew where they lived.”

    That is the best post I have ever seen.

  92. Geo – I think (and hope) that he means we should get a new/additional one. New ideas and and all that.

  93. goonerandy | July 12, 2011 at 10:54 am

    I didn’t mean it in that context. What I meant was that Arsenal were looking like running away with it but, caved in mentally and fergie knows that no matter how much money city and chelsea spend if Arsenal get the right 2/3 players in they will be very hard stop.

    Players like Gervinho, play with passion and hunger which other players around you feed on. If we get who I wish for as CB which is Samba, and a hardcore DM trust me fergie will be concerned.

  94. Ah, sorry if that’s what you meant Martin 90… got all ranty about it! 🙂 my bad

  95. If we were to get a new CB, they’d have to be truly exceptional, because the more I think about it, the more I’m happy to see Kos, Djourou, TV5 prove the doubters wrong.

  96. I think our approach to defence will be different next season, goonerandy.

    However, if Samir decides to wind down his current contract, he will be under huge pressure to perform. He runs the risk of being phased out.

  97. Mark | July 12, 2011 at 10:51 am

    I’m not questioning you. I’m telling you. You are a fucking idiot. A media slut taking it up the arse.

  98. Geo,No he was asking for fries

  99. This season’s going to be FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!
    The build-up is already SIZZLING!

    Frank:
    “No, goonerandy. In Arsenal’s case, success will come.”
    bu
    then they’ll ask u to define success, Frank.

    Silverware is all doomers claim they need
    Shiny, polished metal to allay inner insecurities
    For a few months at least.
    Then they’ll start complaining again.

    Cuervo your team HAD TO win the CL
    You owe too much money
    So u had to have the ref reach in
    And send off Robin van Persie!

    Shut the f**k up and go to your own site!
    Twat

  100. Goonerton – If we overcome our mental barriers then I agree, he should be concerned.

  101. Jabba's delights

    Goonerton

    ”fergie, is shitting himself because he knows his team were handed the title due to a mental implosion by Arsenal. He knows we are only 2/3 players away from doing what we did some years ago now. ”

    We have been 2 -3 players short for 3 years mate. The question is Will arsene go and get them, lets hope so. Fergie see’s us quite rightly as behind chels and city for the title. Talented but still lacking in defence……hmm how long has that been said for.

    George

    Its the usual crap mate because our club still havent done anything about the sitautions. People getting excited about Wenger words and yet 2 weeks ago he insisted that he wouldnt allow another Flamini sitauation to develope. Nasri and RVP are demanding signings.

    How do you feel about the LB position at this club. The general consensus was that Clichy could be improved, well Gibbs isnt an improvement and our frickign awful defence has so far got weaker and we are a month from the season with no news yet of new signings and we know how slow we move for players. The same shit is happening as previous years.

  102. Agreed Frank….Nasri has a big year ahead with the national side and will want push on for international honours. Wenger will have learnt from previous burnt fingers and will persist with trying to persuade him that he will fufil his personal aspirations at the club, but if this does not occur, I expect Wenger will look to understand his squad’s potential by playing others, giving them the chance to benefit from a key role, in what I hope will be a firing football team.

  103. Goonerton – if you actually believe what you say – which i assume you do – then you’re beyond an idiot. I mean, ferguson shitting himself over Arsenal?? Hilarious.

    What happened to you – retard school rejected you for making them look dumb?

  104. Frank – I agree about Nasri. He will have to work hard to keep the crowd on his side regardless of he he signs a new contract or not.

    Why do you think we will be different defensively? We have been fairly poor in that area for a good few seasons now, and I refuse to believe that we have not tried to address this every pre-season. I am genuinely interested to why you think this season it will be different?

  105. Martin 90 | July 12, 2011 at 10:51 am

    Wenger must be doing business on bringing in a CB mustn’t ? Surely he must be.

    TV, I rate highly but, for us to think that he is going to pick up where he left off might be a bit naive on our part.

    Djouru, isn’t ready to play without a experienced partner beside him and Squillachi, didn’t impress me he only angered me to think that we went all the way over there to purchase a CB from outside the EPL when we could do more to get a tried and tested CB right here with EPL experience.

    Whatever the reasons behind that signing it’s clear to see that it didn’t work and we need a rugged tough bastard at the back as we did back in the day then we won’t have to shit bricks every time we have to defend a corner or balls into the box.

  106. Mark, when u start off with the words:
    “Wenger is deluded. And a liar. He’s turning this club into a joke.”

    You lose all credibility.
    Its not your place to talk about mental capacity
    You irresponsible carcass of a fan.
    Apologize first u ingrate liar
    ….your name’s probably not even Mark.
    idiot

  107. Anyone got the stats of how the team fared without Nasri last season?

  108. Jibber.I think you will find that I did not feel Gael could be improved on.
    Gibbs?Well we will see.He will not fulfill his potential if not give a chance .I do know that much.
    “Nasri and RVP are demanding signings”Really?No,you have fallen for some media bullshit and are regurgitating it as fact.
    RVP has demanded nothing .Stop making that man out to be an “I want” prick like you.

    “do you want fries with that?”

  109. Mark, how about we just call u Nobody?

  110. Aman – you can call me whatever you want. No problem.

  111. Will do, Nobody

  112. George,

    RVP’s comments were very clear. I’m done with stupid fighting days, but he has said as much. Along with Nasri, Fabregas, Dixon, Keown, Adams. It’s not just conspiratol media manipulation, legends past and present with Arsenal very close to thier heart have said a few changes need to be made. No more, no less. (You will note I have refuted Wright’s audacious claims, but bless him, he just couldn’t get his words out. The substance was the same).

    RVP’s comments are excellent in my eyes. He has said that no-one should be secure of his place. That the constant requirement to fight for a starting berth will see this team push over the line. More leadership qualities being exuded from the Dutchman.

    He is right too, the season past, the disparity between the first 11 and the cup team was too big.

  113. if you look at the real interviews instea of the ones that mirror and daily main and the sun feed you you will get the TRUE meaning of what Fabregas really said and wants ….

  114. Mark ,I think you might have stumbled into the wrong place.The remedial blog is down the corridor marked” Le Grove”
    You will like it there with the other burger flippers

  115. We will naturally improve defensively, because Vermaelen, our best centre half and widely regarded by peers and media as a class act, will return, Koscielny will be one year more advanced in his eduaction of playing in the English Premier League and also for Arsenal having been at the club for one year, early signs were that he has found time to find his feet, but performances like the one against Barcelona indicate great potential, that Djourou will have had his first full season under his belt following lengthy injuries, that Szcesney will be one season wiser in his development as a commanding keeper.

    Our defence will naturally improve and if we add more stability, in either a Premiership experienced defender or strong defensive midfielder it will improve hugely.

    Chill out.

  116. More time to look for replacement is a poor excuse to keep Nasri till his contract runs out.

    Didn’t AW and the BOD take in the possibility that he may escape like Flamini did all along?

    It’s just foolhardy to keep him to hope he signs. We are not MC who can throw obscene amount of money at any player and Arsenal can only offer little to tempt him to stay on.

    The big club talk is pure nonsense. We don’t even have enough money to buy players these days, not to mention losing 20m wort player like that.

  117. Luke.I am not saying RVP has not said anything.
    But don’t tell me(and to be fair you haven’t)that he has “demanded” because that puts him in a bad light ,does it not?

    Arsene said yesterday that when you dont win people say you must buy,but it is not always the answer.Did you not hear him?

    Its is just the stock answer by the unimaginative.And the legends were players not world class managers like him.

  118. Stop whining, man up
    Support your team
    This era of billionaire’s bullshitting with football needs to be phased out.
    The whole game’s being pussified by the “everyone’s got a price” syndrome
    The press, refs, players, agents selling out left, right, centre & in surround
    Everyone taking shortcuts
    No more developing the young
    “Let someone else do it then buy”
    Values going down the pisser
    Top level football directly reflects the crap that’s taking place in society
    Tune in doomers
    There’s a bigger picture here
    Bigger issues
    Real life issues
    Bigger than any friggin’ trophy
    or temporary high!

    In ARSENE WE TRUST.
    RASERS!

  119. Sell him and we lack ambition, keep him and we’re throwing money away! Come on Jeremy…let’s give Wenger a mini challenge he can win eh.

  120. Jabba's delights

    George

    I know you wanted Clichy to stay, you actually said he was the best LB in the league, which almost nobody agreed with. Most believed he was a decent player but could be improved upon, it appears Arsene thought the same. Impoved upon didnt mean use an internal option. Gibbs has talent and should get game time but its one hell of a risk to think he can last a season with his injury record. If he doesnt and picks up injuries we are in an awful situation and Traore is a poor player with the wrong attitude. We cant afford to gamble this year. We had a poor defence last year and so far its got worse this summer.

    Nasri, Cesc, Walcott and RVP have all called for improvements to the squad stop shouting your rubbish about every bit of the media, get with the program, we need 2-3 quality additions, our players know it, as do the media and the vast majority of our fanbase.

    Failing to be aggressive in the transfer market and compliment our very talented but falliable squad has got us in this situation where they must deliver or very much risk being broken up and that incudes the manager (yogi even said it a couple days ago). Replacing a good lb with risky internal options isnt an answer. Failure to pay top dollar for a cb thats been needed since Sol left isnt an option.

    Remember that the best way to convince Cesc and Nasri to stay would be to show them we mean business this year

  121. Mark | July 12, 2011 at 11:09 am

    I already explained what I meant by that comment.

    Retard school did however teach me that you will make yourself look like a silly cunt calling people like Wenger, a liar without having any facts or data or credible sources to back up your argument.

    Retard school also taught me that you do not use dashes or double question marks in a English sentence.

  122. George,

    Fair, choice of word does reflect a certain tone, so agreed he did not demand players.

    Its also fair to recognise that these legends are not quality managers (yet, perhaps), but you also have to accept that players like Adams, Dixon and Keown who won titles in 3 seperate decades, playing for the Arsenal over our best post war period are a respected voice in football. They have certainly earnt their stripes.

    And I agree George, spending money is not always the answer. However, as we have had a rigid transfer strategy over the last 6 years, which has just come up short in recent years, I’d like to see that tweaked, and for our resources to be applied to certain improvements.

    AANYWAY – My Catalunain colleague has said Barca have confirmed the signing of Sanchez.

    How does that make Cesc feel? Wanted? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

  123. It’s like Beatlemania!

  124. George Rodger –

    You see what you see and i see what i see. When Wenger came he was new, fantastic, exciting. Some people didn’t know what to make of him but i loved him from day one. There was something so captivating, intellectual and innovative about him….

    But, for me, no longer. The signs are all there – it’s a basic incapacity to admit a failure of a system that eventually causes most systems to collapse. And, i think, that’s what is happening here. He’s become myopic. What’s the Einstein quote ‘Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results’. That for me sums up the last 2/3 years of Wenger. And i just can’t see it changing (and i get the impression that the players are starting to feel the same).

    But i agree with you about Le Grove. Personally, i never read it. Those guys would find Megan Fox in their bed and would only complain that they’d have to wash their knob.

  125. ….they huffed and they puffed and Wenger was defiant.
    No transfer news, no ambition, no big spending,
    Rip up the youth policy, change the philosophy,.
    Get me a big over-priced leaden foot defender,
    Samba, Cahill, anyone…
    Look at Chelsea, they have big signings, not
    Look at Man City, they have big signings, not
    But Wenger has lost it,
    Just a nerdy economist,
    No powers of persuasion, no risk taker.
    ….they huffed and they puffed and Wenger was defiant.

    “DO YOU WANT FRIES WITH THAT”

  126. Gooberton – i really don’t think you should be questioning anybody else’s grammar.

  127. Jabba's delights

    Danny

    His challenge is to make Arsenal genuinly competative in the league for the 1st time in years, and that means getting over 80 points. Anything else is a bonus. He has everything at his disposal…..no excuses.

    A manager who hasnt lost his touch and with plenty of cash to spend who has been building for 6 years will do just that.

  128. Jabba’s delights | July 12, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Indeed Jabba.

    I don’t need the media to tell me what we need. As most Gooners, I am not stupid and hanging on to days of old.

    Clich, was a decent player but, I seen it too many times were he totally switched off and I keep saying it but, he got totally sussed out and became a target when every time we played with the ball over the top of him. He always let it go to the winger and never tried to cut it out and when he tried he fucked it up and they had a clear run anyway.

    I do think we need a replacement though as Gibbs gets long term injuries.

    Our top players are now calling for big money signing but, that how it is nowadays. Top players cost £s and if we don’t get at least one in to show our current talent that we mean business they could leave and then where would we be?

    george rodger | July 12, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Try to remember that we finished 4th just about. pool, city, utd and chels have all been shopping.

    It doesn’t take a rocket science to realise that we should go shopping too does it?
    fuck me.

  129. Shotta,

    were you not advocating the signing of Samba the other day?

    Also, I wouldnt be raving about Wengers persuasive powers yet, as nothing has formally changed regarding Nasri and Fabregas.

  130. There are some very naive supporters on here. We were very solid before our end of season collapse. We went about 10 games and only conceded 1 goal at 1 stage. I think everyone was gob smacked at the time. The CC final and Barca game was KO for us. Confidence went, composure went, I don’t think that was down to inexperience because most teams would struggle to recover after losing in the circumstances we did. We were looking as consistent and solid as we have ever been under Wenger imo.

    This team will provide a much stronger challenge this season. I am pretty much convinced Nasri and Cesc will be at the club. Wenger wouldn’t want to piss off the “I hand onto every word the manager makes” fans again and go back on that now. He has witnessed first hand how petulant they can be. Nasri I am sure will do his best not to get on the wrong side of the fans, and I am sure he will feel the pressure behind the scenes to sign a new deal.

    Like ZimPaul said.. we have the coolest manager in town, under all this pressure and who is crumbling ??.. even Ferguson is trying to wind him up as he knows we will be stronger with Nasri and Cesc sticking around. Next year can be a remarkable year. We have an outstanding squad of players, as Ven Persie said, its just about composing ourselves after February and changing our game a bit.

  131. Chrisgoona…they were great quotes from RVP…that is maturity that helps a player understand the dynamics of the season. It displays a player and a squad thinking about their failings and seeing how they can address them.

  132. I think that we were beginning to make improvements in defence when TV5 was fit and well, goonerandy. Our two problems at the beginning of last season were that we had to rush in a replacement for TV, and there was no time for a real pre-season. Nevertheless, taking away set pieces our defensive record was very good considering that we had no settled formation for most of the season. In fact our record in open play would suggest that the defence were working well together and had good cover from midfield and up front.

    The set piece situation though must be addressed as a matter of priority. Two points. Don’t concede free kicks and corners, and deal with them properly if we do concede. In the former case I think we need to ensure that the defence are not too stretched and commit themselves less going forward, that they are better prepared for opposition breaks, better driled in or around the box with regard to giving away penalties, free kicks and corners. In defending set pieces it is not necessarily the case that tall defenders get to the ball first, positioning is everything and we need to work better as a unit. This is about practice, discipline and formation stability.

    I am not a supporter of attacking left and right backs. It puts too much pressure on those two players and disrupts the attacking ability of the players in front. AWs comments about Kieran Gibbs and Armand Traore are for the players benefits.

  133. ZP @ 9:20
    Amen!

  134. Chris – “I don’t think that was down to inexperience because most teams would struggle to recover after losing in the circumstances we did.”

    I really disagree with this. Would Manure have collapsed? I very much doubt it.

  135. “Bendtner would be a real dream, he is a very interesting player.

    “He can also play as an attacking midfielder behind the attacker

    “But it would almost amount to a small miracle for us to get him. There are two other clubs who have made an offer Nicklas and we are unfortunately not in that position.”

    Well Chelsea have been bank-rolling this Frank Arnesen for years….totally laughable. So to confrim Frank, you see Nick Bendtner as the answer to your attacking midfield issues?

    Genuinely tempted to say, forget the money I just want to see Nick behind the strikers in the Zidane role.

    Chelsea….more money than sense!

  136. for Cuerva & those who don’t get it, pls read:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/11/barca-madrid-prosper-but-spanish-league-falters/

    AW’s spearheading a systemic change or football, a major outlet of release for millions, could implode as well.
    The English FA are in less denial than the Spanish but do not take full responsibility unlike the Germans. Greed is a b*tch, they’d rather spread their legs and let the billionaires in. Sadly not all clubs are worth it & there are not enough billionaires who care for the stress of owning a football team.

    Soon Barca & Real Madrid will be playing against themselves 8 times a season.
    Cesc should realize how LUCKY he is to be a gunner.

  137. So the options for Nasri appear to be fairly straight forward, sign a new contract or we sell him now? If we don’t sell him he ends up going on a freebie next summer.

    But why does it have to be that black and white? If Nasri doesn’t want to sign up to a new long term contract because of concerns over the club’s ambitions or for financial reasons, why not offer him a new short term contract? If we were proposing to offer him £110,000 a week anyway why not ask him to give us one more year on his contract? If Wenger’s argument to Nasri that we will win trophies in the coming season is correct then Nasri would be happy next summer to sign up to a new longer term deal, if it’s not then Nasri still gets to leave next summer and we still get a transfer fee for him.

    For Nasri, he gets one season on a better wage with Arsenal and then gets to go to a club willing to pay him more (or who he thinks has more “ambition”) rather than staying on his present salary for one more season. For Arsenal, we get one more season to convince the player that we can win things whilst retaining the chance to make some money out of his sale if he really wants to go next summer.

  138. Frank – I agree with all of that. They echo my thoughts on the matter as it goes.

    The set piece issue is crucial though. As you rightly pointed out, we defended very well from open play (although it did not feel like it sometimes) in general. I have no idea how they are going to remidy this issue without new faces though. We must have tried with the personnel we currently have, but it is still an issue. We have players who are decent in the air, so I can only put it down to organisatring at set pieces. We don’t have figure on the pitch who takes control.

    For me one of the frustrations is not the amount of goals we conceed, but the manner of many of them. So often we are the cause of goals cenceded. Considering that not that many team actually do cut us open and score (which is fair enough), it just maes this issue all the more frustrating.

  139. I agree with Frank.

  140. Jabba's delights

    ChrisGoona

    Stop talking about defending well in periods mate. I can show you a 3 year period where we havent defended well and your bringing together a 10 game period which actually ended with us conceding 4 goals in 19mins. The fact is we dont win enough games as we concede to many and dont score enough. Wenger needs to address this on the training ground and with signings. I never want to see a sitauation like Bolton away this this year where our players stand there and look at each other after conceding our title challenge to 2 set piece goals. Nobody took responsibility and nobody went mental at the utterly shockign marking. Its happended for 2 long and needs to be changed.

    With regards to the contract situations, actions speak much louder than words. Cesc isnt on tour as are the 2 players who are looking like getting sold. Nasri hasnt signed yet and wenger has stated he will not allow a flamini situation to develope……..who holds the best cards there?

    Before you guys said we couldnt sign anyone before July and we should shut up and be patient. Well we are well over a 3rd of the way through July yet and we still havent signed anyone. How are we meant to get better defensivly on the training ground if they cant train togther.

    ”coolest manager in town”…….i couldnt careless wif we had the uncoolest manager in town as long as he got results and addressed weakneses. He crumbled last year and so did his team, we more than anoyone in the top 4 need improvements and as yet all ive seen is the other 3 improving. If Tevez leaves do you think its up for debate that they sign a MASSIVE player to replace him?

    The clock is ticking

  141. I can’t believe the same people who go into a rage when others complain about us losing out on a player over 1 to 2 million ( because its not our money) are now saying we should gamble on losing 20 mil and having to spend to replace him. Nasri that is. It’s a sin to overpay by 2 million and gamble on a new player that may improve us but it’s just fine to gamble 20 mil on a wantaway player on the small hope he has a change of heart.
    This is pure hipocracy ,

  142. Luke at 11:49 am:
    “…..were you not advocating the signing of Samba the other day? ”

    Dream on son. I left the inane rambling and lusting for leaden foot lumps like Samba and Cahill to “experts” like you.

  143. None of the clocks in my house tick

  144. Hipocracy – where cool people get all the best jobs and government positons, and force everyone to get asymmetrical hair and listen to electroclash.

  145. Just winding you up, Jibber

  146. On the other hand…

  147. …don’t want to alarm you

  148. Jabba's delights

    Jo

    Spot on, these same people also adhere to anythign wenger says. And yet his comment about not allowing another Flamini situation to develope all gets glossed over now as he showed his intent yesterday and showed everyone who is boss……….did he, did he really.

  149. Jabba – “I never want to see a sitauation like Bolton away this this year where our players stand there and look at each other after conceding our title challenge to 2 set piece goals. Nobody took responsibility and nobody went mental at the utterly shockign marking”

    Your last sentance is our a good example of the problems we have when it comes to defending. No responsibility.

    I remember the game Jens played (Blackpool?). They winger beat Sanga and raced down the line. Sagna recovered and blocked the cross which went out for a corner. Great. What impressed we was Jens absolutely hammering Diaby in the penalty box as the man he was marking had got in front of him, and should the cross made into into the box we would have been in trouble.

    Now the cross didn’t make it, but that did not stop Jens taking Diaby to task. And rightly so. That is what this current side lacks, and there is no doubt that it is costing us.

  150. So you want people to lose their tempers more on the pitch?

  151. Can somebody explain to me in detail why Cahill and Samba are so much better than Johan and Kos? Cos I don’t get it at all. Quality responses appreachiated.

  152. Jabba's delights

    Frank

    Good to see you finally caved in and admitted we need to sort out the defence. You were calling people c^nts for saying such things a month ago.

    Would probably be of benefit to our defensive training if we had the 2 new starters that are essential for it to improve actually with the squad, but that would be goign against Arsene wouldnt it and i havent worked a day in football……………IDIOT!

  153. They both lose their tempers a lot.

  154. Can anyone tell me if Gibbs, Wilshere and Frimpong will be counted as U-21 players and not be a part of the ’25 man squad’ that the club submits to the FA?

  155. I said that we need to improve our performance at set pieces, Jibber. I have said nothing about current players or replacing them. You seem to have a bit of a temper problem there. Good defender were you?

  156. Jabba's delights

    Poodle

    As both are aggressive players who love physical tussles and are organizers. The 2 gooners you just mentioned dont. Djouou is a good young player but actually a bit of a fairy for his size and Kosciellny is much more suited to a sweeping position behind a giant defender who can challenge for the first ball. Both of those players are much better options going forward and defensively for set pieces which if you haddnt noticed we defended like school boys like last year.

  157. Sir Alex’s comments are quite curious. I think he is eying Nasri very seriously Let’s hope he won’t go to the Evil Empire.Sir Alex is a master game player. I real kick in the balls to gunner nation. I heard that both stupid keepers are going if so who will mind the net?

  158. Actually the most successful set piece defender in the air is RvP. Not entirely necessary to have a’giant’ defender doing the job. Anyway the poor bloke will feel like Gulliver with all of these little chaps running around him.

  159. jabber – so not only very vitriolic and spiteful, but also homophobic?

    ahh, just remembered you’re a rugger-bugger at heart, all makes sense now

  160. Frank – Temper? You are getting confused I think. Losing your temper is not the same as holding teamates accountable if they are not doing their job properly. That said, if the same player keeps making the same mistakes it would be hard not to lose your temper with them.

    I am talking about accountability, not screaming and shouting for the sake of it.

  161. The asia trip is a great opportunity for everyone at the club to reflect and appreciate everything we have here at arsenal. Quite a number of players have regretting leaving over the last 6 years or so. A bit of shiney shiney does not mean all the grass is greener.

    Was refreshing to see wenger with that aussie bloke in yesterdays links, even after hours of media engagements he was itching to go through the foundations of his philosophy and the aussie was very respectful and responsive to his belief’s. The contrast between that and the cynical sniping from most British journos is beyond measure. So much to be learnt from the man yet all gets is cheap jibes and derision during the season. He must wonder why the fuck he bothers, but thankfully a trip like this is the perfect antidote to remind him of the power of his aspirations. Shame cesc couldn’t be with them.

  162. It would perhaps be useful if our defenders bite the ears of the opposition off, when no-one is looking, in temper of course, and for the sake of unity rub their ears against other players bums to make them cauliflower-like. Ears I mean, not bums, like cauliflowers. Oh and play on with broken backs and legs and stuff.

  163. Frank – When I made a comment about us ‘leaking’ goals and not keeping enough clean sheet, a season or two ago I think, you took issue with me and stated that you would rather us score more, than conceed less. As you would always enjoy seeing more goals scored. I just want to know if your stance has changed on this?

    I appreciate that you might not remember, but I would be interested to hear your thoughts. To jog your memory the conversation was along the lines of me saying that I would rather us win 2-0 and you prefering 3-1.

  164. george rodger

    Gonnerton,I have not said we should not be shopping.
    I am just pointing out what Arsene said ,and I agree,that it is not always the answer simply to buy.
    It is however the simple answer to a complex question, Which should only be put forward by simpletons.Which indeed it is.
    Now for the record if I was to give my opinion it would be this………….
    A new shinny CB with physical attributes that can play against the hoofballers.
    An experienced LB
    An out and out striker for when we go 4 4 2 .

    But in terms of ability ,I believe if our current players play to their individual abilities we would win the league.So if we buy no other players I will still expect great things come August.

  165. No my stance has not changed, mattyboy. I want us to score more goals than we concede in every game. In fact if we do that we will win the EPL, FA Cup, Carling thing and the Eurovis…Champions league. No question.

  166. Nary a mention of RvP’s desire for us to go out and invest some money? For those of us that have been adamant that we’ve been 2-3 players short the last few years, I suppose it’s validation coming from someone that actually plays the matches. Let’s hope Arsene heeds his wishes.

  167. You think that RvP and AW don’t really communicate with each other much, ArseChicago? So much so that they only communicate via the press and media?

  168. Nary a mention of the fact that in the same conversation RvP said that some players who command big transfer fees are not worth the money, ArseChicago. Or did that bit not fit the tone?

  169. I believe that there will be more signings. The squad is no stronger now than last year, except on experience but much of that was unfortunately negative.

    Nasri will be sold if he won’t sign even a year’s extension as wavey has suggested. Not good business to let the contract run down further.

    This squad does require strengthening, this can’t always be done from within.

    Too much entrenched opinion does not help Arsene or the club.

  170. Just seen this from yesterdays blog thread;

    ‘If you’re sticklers, stickle, is what I say”

    lmao, good one FG!

  171. I appreciate your feedback Frank.

    We will indeed win all the shiny stuff, if we score more than we concede in every game. Equally, we would win it all if we kept clean sheets every game, presuming we scored a few along the way and I guess thats the dilemma. I don’t by any means want to see a negative, defensive style of play and boring goal-less draws, hence I am torn between the two extremes. I like the idea of us keeping more clean sheets, but maybe I need to come out of my defensive closet and embrace dirty sheets before I turn us into an Italian team.

  172. Why do you think that AW or the club have ‘entrenched’ opinions, Consolsbob?

  173. You’re right, Frank. I totally missed the actual articles out there this morning with headlines like “van Persie tells Wenger to employ cautious transfer policy this summer”. Some of us that wish for Arsene to go out and invest will also not be blind to the fact that sometimes purchased players aren’t ultimately worth it or don’t work out. RvP acknowledges it. I acknowledge it. Doesn’t mean you don’t take a shot. Do you go through life not doing things knowing that sometimes they don’t work out for the best?

  174. I don’t think that AW can be accused of not buying great players who fit into the squad, ArseChicago. Nor do I think that he can be accused of not taking a chance or two and it not working out. He seems to be much better than most at this sort of thing.

  175. I don’t Frank.

    I think too many fans do! Hence too many sterile debates. Too much anger.

    All or nothing for the idealogues.

    I’m not one of them.

  176. george rodger

    Buy new players=a gamble it might not work
    Keep the same players and hope they improve=a gamble it might not work
    Something in between=a gamble it might not work.

    The only thing we know for sure will work is that if Arsene would just do what some of the fans “know”will work then we will win everything

    “do you want fries with that?”

  177. Good charm offensive from Wenger. This sort of PR exercise is what Ivan or someone else from the board should have started 3 weeks ago, instead they left it to Arsene, as usual.

    Imagine how it would have looked if the only news we were hearing/reading this morning was Fergie’s statement about Nasri? It would have been another arsenal-in-crisis narrative in the media. Instead, that particular bit of otherwise disturbing news has been overshadowed by Arsene’s own words on the matter. The press ate it all up too!
    So where is this media hatred of arsenal that i keep hearing about this morning? The truth is we are much more in control of our media reputation than some think, if only the club will be more proactive on that front.

  178. Thanks for the link Aman – an interesting read.

  179. Valid point Henristic…..Our board have yet to emerge!

  180. “I don’t think that AW can be accused of not buying great players who fit into the squad, ArseChicago. Nor do I think that he can be accused of not taking a chance or two and it not working out. He seems to be much better than most at this sort of thing””.

    Agree with that, Frank.

  181. I have read the comments regarding the defenders in our squad with interest. Think a lot of fans on this site have forgotten some of the dreadful defending last season which cost us many points! WBA,Newcastle,Aston Villa and Spurs at home ( and also the away match with that team) plus WIgan,Stoke,WBA,Fulham and Bolton. Also Djourou and Kos in the Wembley cup final. I repeat the only decent expeienced defenders in the squad are Verm and Sagna. I cannot believe Sqillaci is still at the club – he is totally useless!! We will win nothing again next season regardless of who plays in midfield unless Wenger brings in an experienced left back and two powerful centre backs who can deal with set pieces/corners and centre fowards like Drogba!

  182. george rodger

    Martin90.So what will we win if we buy say Samba Cahill and Baines(I say those three because I assume you are following the media and halfwit’s lead)
    Because I think that would be a fucking nightmare scenario.But you ,in your infinite footballing wisdom think we would win some tin cups do you?
    And we would be down about £50 million in order to do so.

    “do you want fries with that?”

  183. Jabba's delights

    George

    Actually all the majority of arsenal fans (and yes i can quite confidently say majority) want is arsenal to do all it can to challenge for trophies. Many of us dont feel that that has been done in the last 3 years when we have had alot of money and some pretty stinkingly obvious weakneses that needed addressing. Yes its taken wenger 3 years to come about to the same thinking that those crass pundits and fucking idiot fans have been saying for ages. Need more defensive organization and need some attackers who dont want to create but actually get on the end of our creators passes……amazing isnt it and i havent worked half a day in football.

    Squilaci 4m, Chamack free and Kosiciallny 8m isnt frickign good enough when you finish 11 points off top and it doesnt take a genius to understand why we finish up with less points less goals scored and more conceded.

    We have 40m or so in the bank some sellable assets and some key players that need the club to show them some ambition.

    We desperately need a cb, lb, striker. All i expect this year from our manager and squad is a decent championship challenge ….meaning 80 points minimum, trophies would be a delightful bonus. Wenger has had enough time with his project and enough cash in recent years to do such things, failure to do so and as Yogi said the other day i think it will be the end for le professor!

  184. Well having read all of your posts I will admit that I too am not totally convinced we have adequate coverage at LB. I really rate Gibbs but am not sold on Traore. I also.think Clichy was a lot better than he is being given credit for as he has not had the greatest partner in AA when it comes to tracking back.

    On the issue of a new CB I think we need a Samba like defender. We have all admitted that our defense on set pieces leaves, at best, something to be desired. I think the problem is not how we train but who we train with. We do not have players like those of Stoke and Birmingham and Blackburn and so forth who thrive on set pieces, so how can we properly train to play against such players? How many times have we heard how our defense just needs to be tweaked? Well maybe that is the tweak we need, the chance to train against the very type of player that on set pieces seems to always get the better of us. Also our goalkeepers, they too a man, seem to have terrible judgement on when to come for crosses and when not to. Szesney seems to be better than Fab and a lot better than Almunia but I reckon that is more to do with natural ability than anything else. Just a thought.

  185. Certain positions have been created deliberately as an attempt to counter-balance the extraordinary negativity and downright desertion by ‘supporters’, Cb. Reasoning failed and so any number of other measures have been used. Sometimes publishing ‘facts’ and refuting nonsense, sometimes using humour or even plain sarcasm, sometimes bullying. To that end not all of the characters on here are what they seem.

    Even now we have to remember that this is not a pub conversation.

  186. george rodger

    Jabba saying thing like this is why you are ridiculed .

    “Yes its taken wenger 3 years to come about to the same thinking that those crass pundits and fucking idiot fans have been saying for ages.”

    Wenger will never ever think like you and the dimwit pundits you put so much stock in.

    Did you see the interview he did with the Australian Journalist yesterday?
    If so,in what part of that interview did he indicate that he had come round to your way of thinking?

    “do you want fries with that?”

  187. All too true Frank.

    Still, the fact is that saying we are in tiptop shape and to plain deny that this squad does not need new blood, as some do, is just nonsensical and unhelpful.

  188. That should be “…does need new blood…”

  189. george rodger

    And by your thinking the only team to challenge for anything is the team that wins it,

  190. Just got back frm the fans day training session at the national stadium. Fucking hell 20,000 gooners ! I cant believe there are so many gooners here just to see ourlads train. Good stuff….. Lovely 7 a sides, tippy tappy, one touch, two touch wow….. U have to see it to believe how fast they pass the ball around. Special moment for nasri too… Fans begging him to stay…. Singing the nanananana song….. Frimpong looks huge…. Good touch for a big lad….. Looks like the beast frm the stands…. Denilson…. What can u say, still have the ability, short fast passing, super sczesny solid….. Rvp, jackie, we love u arsenal…… What more can i say… Match tomorrow

  191. george rodger

    Bob,I cant think of many ,if any,who are saying “no”new blood.To make out there are is nonsensical and unhelpful 🙂

  192. Excellent. Thanks, Max Gunner.

  193. Bringing in ‘new blood’ can be a good thing as long as it is kept to the right amount. It is no good bringing in to many players. Far better just a couple of good players.

  194. Well we have already bought Carl who can play in any position across the back, and Gervinho who looks a handful up front. I would be very surprised if that was the sum total of our acquisitions this break. After all we always buy two or three players and this year we have lost Gael Clichy and are about to lose NB and MA.

    You are a star, Max Gunner btw

  195. george rodger

    Dups that is right.But the “burger boys” cant see it

  196. Actually George, and I may be wrong, but didn’t you say yesterday that you would be happy if the transfer window shut today?

    One or two definitely did.

    In any case i am really referring to the battle between the ideaologues that just simplfies the issues so that any actual debate is impossible.

  197. I second Limpar and Frank re Max. Great stuff.

  198. Frank,
    “Certain positions have been created deliberately as an attempt to counter-balance the extraordinary negativity and downright desertion by ‘supporters’, Cb. Reasoning failed and so any number of other measures have been used. Sometimes publishing ‘facts’ and refuting nonsense, sometimes using humour or even plain sarcasm, sometimes bullying. To that end not all of the characters on here are what they seem.”

    I’m curious, to what end is all of this? Why go through the bother of creating some fake online personality to battle the so called doomers?
    And why do you come to the conclusion that reasoning has failed? How long did you try to reason with anyone? Why give up what is clearly a classier (and some will say Arsenal) approach to ironing out differences of opinion, in favour of bullying, insults, etc (apart from its entertainment value)?

  199. So my idea was crap then?

  200. Nice Post Yogi:

    I am a little more optimistic regarding the Nasri situation. I think the big test will be if he plays in the CL qualifier. I really did not think that he would be with the club at the end of the transfer window if he does not sign a new contract. Perhaps I’m wrong. The CL qualifier will be interesting. The boss held Ashley Cole out of those games while his transfer to Chelsea was being negotiated.

    I think Cesc will almost certainly be with us this season. This is the same old same old. My bigger concern about Cesc are his hamstrings.

    The CL qualifier will not be a push over. My understanding is that RVP will be suspended because of his ridiculous red card at the Nou Camp. I doubt Cesc will play. Hopefully the rest of the squad will pull us through.

  201. george rodger

    Bob .I did say that but it was on the basis that it would mean we kept Cesc and Samri.
    I also said this today……Now for the record if I was to give my opinion it would be this………….
    A new shinny CB with physical attributes that can play against the hoofballers.
    An experienced LB
    An out and out striker for when we go 4 4 2 .

    So?Are you trying to say I am one who is happy with the status quo ?

  202. george rodger

    Bob,I have also said that I think some new blood is required ,if for no other reason ,to purge the demons of last seasons late debacle..

  203. Jabba's delights

    George

    Wenger has come out and said we need to improve at defensive set peices, he appears to be looking for a tall, aggressive organiser. He has just finally signed a winger who first idea isnt to drop short to receive the ball but to actually make a run for one of our little creators to try an pass to. This has been said for a couple of years now poppet by a pretty decent section of fans many of whom hang around on arseblog or le grove. Call them what you will but it appears the manager is doing what they have asked for years. I love it that this australian reporter gets more credit from you than Dixon, Admas and Keown all becuase he gives arsene a lovelly nice interview.

    Wenger gets some harsh criticism at times from certain sections of the press he also gets alot of quite warrented stick at times. He can put all of that right by improving the teams performance this year rather than getting less points.

    With regards to your stupid point about 80 points

    winner us
    2010-11 80 68
    2009-10 86 75
    2008-9 90 72
    2007-8 87 83
    2006-7 89 68
    2005-6 91 67
    2004-5 95 83

    twice we have challened and look how many points we got. If you dont hit 80 in almost any year bar last you wont fininsh in the top 3. Simple George to challenge for the title you must hit 80.

  204. cbob – good to have you back round these parts.

    I am one who is saying that I would not be too worried if we didn’t buy a couple more players. Most people are clamboring for a new CB signing of Herculian nature, personally, I think the lads we have now will make a big step up next season. I think most of our issues were down to lack of cohesion, and at times experience. These players are all still learning and last season should be the kick up the arse to spur them on to sustain our early season form from last year. I think communication and organisation will be vastly improved over the summer, and we will have a CB partnership that will get used to each other and forma formidable defence. Whether that’s TV5 & JD or TV5 and Kos, remains to be seen, but a combo of any opf those can be a force to be reckoned with I think.

    Don’t get me wrong, I am still quite excited by the prospect of a new face or 2, as I’m sure everyone else would be, but I’m not going to start getting all melodramatic a la Jibber Jabber, Bill etc and thinking we’ll end up outside the top four if these glamour signings aren’t made.

  205. Jabba's delights

    Dups

    All i want is 3 more signings if dont lose anymore starters, and they happen to be the same as George. Maybe the quality we both want is where we have our differences.

  206. george rodger

    Jabba .You really are a simpleton in the truest meaning of the word

    I gave the reporter no credit for anything,other than perhaps listening.
    And as I have never once mentioned “points”at all,let alone 80 of them,ever.How can my point be stupid?I didn’t make it you dimshit

  207. Just so I know

  208. george rodger

    “Maybe the quality we both want is where we have our differences”

    What you think I want lesser players than you do? WTF?
    Or do you simply want to spend more that me?

    “do you want fries with that”

  209. george rodger

    Wavey,run it by us again i cant find your idea

  210. @George

    So the options for Nasri appear to be fairly straight forward, sign a new contract or we sell him now? If we don’t sell him he ends up going on a freebie next summer.

    But why does it have to be that black and white? If Nasri doesn’t want to sign up to a new long term contract because of concerns over the club’s ambitions or for financial reasons, why not offer him a new short term contract? If we were proposing to offer him £110,000 a week anyway why not ask him to give us one more year on his contract? If Wenger’s argument to Nasri that we will win trophies in the coming season is correct then Nasri would be happy next summer to sign up to a new longer term deal, if it’s not then Nasri still gets to leave next summer and we still get a transfer fee for him.

    For Nasri, he gets one season on a better wage with Arsenal and then gets to go to a club willing to pay him more (or who he thinks has more “ambition”) rather than staying on his present salary for one more season. For Arsenal, we get one more season to convince the player that we can win things whilst retaining the chance to make some money out of his sale if he really wants to go next summer.

  211. I think most of us would agree we need a strong CB and an experienced LB at least Gibbs and Traore are far better at attacking than defending so Samba, and Enrique would be well within our budget.

    Unfortunately as Yogi points out too many of our younger players are on massive salaries and its difficult to sell them so that limits our buying power

  212. Jabba I’ve made a routine of skipping your posts, but decided to give it another go and read one of yours today. Poor poor choice I made.

    “our frickign awful defence”

    First off I think the word is “defense”.
    2nd, “our frickign awful defence” was the same defense that conceded the 3rd least amount of goals in the last campaign.

  213. Bill Turner – Defence is the English spelling, Defense is the American spelling.

  214. Sorry Bill, bit of a fuck up there. It’s only defense if you are a Septic. In the UK I think you will find it is still spelt defence.

  215. Oh fuck off, Henristic, you complete tosser

  216. george rodger

    Sorry wavey,yes I thought it was a very good idea when I read it.And it would give Nasri a chance to see where we are going,As he says he is not really interested in the money

    About your comment and whether it was a good idea or not Yogi might have an icon introduced where we can click and thank people for their comments if we like them.Or perhaps also a “not like” icon.

    PS.I hope “icon”is the right term as I am not so computer savvy.

  217. Bill, I see you error has been pointed out. Maybe if we all start chanting DE-FENCE DE-FENCE DE-FENCE it could work? Aaah, I’m just joshing.

    Let’s leave the defence alone shall we? It’s universally accepted by every single person associated with Arsenal that it needs to improve.

  218. welp, looks like i am the ignorant one now.

  219. george rodger

    Lol Bill ,We are in defence of our English spelling

  220. @Aman at 11.12am

    LOL.. “your name’s probably not even Mark”

    Actually, my name isn’t Northbank1969.

  221. Thanks for coming back on that George. I thought it was an interesting point for discussion, but it seemed to get in the middle of a general slanging match (which sometimes happens).

    Loving Frank, sometimes the only answer is “Fuck off”!

  222. george rodger

    Luke.Well some aspect of it at least

  223. I am happy that we get to watch the Arsenal play tomorrow. I’ve had enough of the speculation.

    As Frank once said, ignore it all.

  224. george rodger

    Hi Chris,how are you?

  225. George

    Can u stop bringing your work into this forum, Yes you have mastered the phrase

    “do you want fries with that?”

    Your bosses are very proud and will soon entrust u with the phrase

    “would you like to go large?”

    Well done you special man have a gold badge.

    Arsené also told me to tell you, thank you for allowing him to continue to pick up his 7M basic salary as all narcissists need sheep to massage and back their fundamentally flawed ideals.

    I respect and admire alot of what Arsené has achieved since he arrived, however this does not allow him to keep living off past success. Like anything that becomes stagnant you enforce change. Either he excepts his ideals ate not quite working and remedy it or go simple as that. Going by the blokes ego it will be the latter.

  226. George – I quite like that on some other comment sections. whaddaya reckon YW?

  227. Was I just called a Septic? Does that mean America is a shit-hole or something to that effect?

  228. Jabba's delights

    George

    Your comment at 3.03 refers to my comment about getting 80 points

    ”And by your thinking the only team to challenge for anything is the team that wins it”,

    i quite correctly highlighted that 80 points is minimum you need to challenge in almost any given year.

    ”What you think I want lesser players than you do? WTF?
    Or do you simply want to spend more that me?”

    No George i want us to sign a left back who is better than Clichy as thats the only way to improve on what we had last year this year and i want us to sign a striker to challenge RVP. He said it himself he needs to be challenged. I want a brilliant striker, you want someone who plays second fiddle. I want somone who if RVP gets injured coms in and there is no drop and when rvp comes back he has to earn his place back. Competition is healthy.

    William

    Actually your incorect. we had the joint 4th best defence with Fulham but Liverpool, Spuurs and Everton were 2 behind. The 3 better teams than us in the league had significantly better defences than us. Its all about standards mate, you can say our defence is good all the way over there across the pond, but from my viewing spot our defence was awful at times this year and we concede at least 10 to many to challenge for the league. Who is correct……i think the facts point to me being right

  229. Wavey – “Loving Frank, sometimes the only answer is “Fuck off”!”

    Normally when you can’t come up with anything reasonable or constructive.

  230. george rodger

    Maximus. Fuck off you ignorant cunt.You have no idea what he earns. 🙂

  231. Not sure William.. pretty darn harsh if that’s the case!

  232. “Remedy it or go simple as that”. Glad we resolved that one then. So let’s stop messing aroung and give Shteve McClaren or Mark Hughes the job.

    “do you want fries with that?”

  233. george rodger

    Jabba.You are a dimwit.I think the fact point to me being right

  234. @goonerandy

    or when it really just deserves a “fuck off”

  235. Is anyone else a little miffed by the lack of opportunity Lansbury has been given?

    I reckon he has been cracking onto Wengers daughter.

  236. Bill, no extended rhyming slang: Septic Tank – Yank

  237. george rodger

    Wavey,or big Sam,or even Big Eck.?
    Lets see some proper English hoofball at the Ems.

  238. That one didn’t seem to.

  239. Luke – Nah, if he is good enough he will get his chance. If not, he won’t.

  240. Bill Turner,

    Septic Tank = Yank

    a bit like when you refer to the British as Limeys..

    Nothing to take offence at!

  241. george rodger

    Luke ,He wasn’t that stand out in The Championship.
    Who would you leave out the 25 to slot him in?

  242. my pleasure, geo @1:58

    Barring losing Fab & Samir,
    I’d be all set once we buy that CB.
    Feel that’s the missing link, the insurance
    We can more than get by with what we’ve got
    Close shop, knuckle down, forget the past and work.

    A fully committed & united Arsenal = sky’s the limit

  243. George, there is a middle ground between Wengerball and Hoofball you know.

    Try looking at the two teams who have won the league the past 7 years having scored more and conceded less. We need to embrace change. Not swot it away as the devil.

  244. George,

    or we could go with the technical guile of that wiley old Scandinavian, Sven.

  245. Jabba's delights

    George

    Actually we do George its 6m a year, more than mancini and Vilas Boas, 2nd only to the most winning coach of all time, you ignorent…..

    This argument was had about a week ago, evidence was shown of vilas boa and mancini on 5m contracts. Aarrrryyy who squad wages are nearlly 50% less than ours appears to be best value for money in terms of points totals and performance when put against wages.

  246. Oh don’t worry i’m not offended at all. Except by Jabba’s smell. Phew that guy stinks like a dangus!

    I can see Lansbury getting a go in the side after another year on loan, maybe more. I think of how Denilson played when he came over to the Arsenal. He was around 20 years old, and immediately found a place among the squad/ first team. Some of our young group, Lansbury, JET and co. are in their early 20’s and have yet to make an impact on the Arsenal (bar Lansbury at Spurs in the CC this year) Me thinks that JET/Lansbury will not make it here at the Arsenal. Our next youth target should be that Afobe fellow.

  247. Really, it’s not Mr N.1969? @4:00
    blimey

    We must all settle psychologically fans & players alike

    http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-we-must-settle-psychologically

  248. @George

    I thought he did alright for Norwich and I think he passes the ball really well. Don’t know what’s in the manager’s head, but I’m guessing he is not quite sure how to play him. He doesn’t really work too far forward, but also isn’t a defensive midfielder. He seems to be the kind of player who works well in the hole in the middle. passing the ball back and forth in form his spot in the middle of the park and then finding that killer pass through to the man making the break through the middle. Unfortunately its not really a game we play, so not sure exactly how he fits ins. I think he will prove to be quality, but ultimately that might well not be with Arsenal.

  249. Funny as fuck how the doomer crew react to Wenger, NOT BEING A TIGHT WAD! He would rather keep the group together and therefore more settled and stroner than cash in on nasri and strengthen a rival and yet the doomers are upset becuase he isnt selling Nasri to a direct rival?

    Proof positive that these cretins have no fucking clue and just want Wenger gone regardless, showing no logic whatsoever. We sell nasri to, say Man City for £25m and we TRY and sign a replacement. Who? I certainly dont know, but I am sure the fantasy manager playing geniuses will tell me. Anyway, we sign that replacment and what happens if he doesnt settle, or just takes ages to settle into the swing of things? By then we have already played United, Liverpool and the CL games. The doom mongering would be unbelievable if he wasnt an instant hit.

    The only (as far as I can see) selling options would be to swap nasri with players at City, or selling him abroad.

    But I would rather we kept him, that gives us a settled team (utter bollocks to suggest he wouldnt give 100%, baseless twaddle), he knows the team and the way we play and he could still sign an extension and if he is still determined to go then he can next season, for £40m!

  250. No, not having a go at you george, not at all.

    We do need to purge last season from our system. I for one, do not believe that the same players can do that.

    It’s a bit more than tinkering that is required and promotion from within does not give the jolt to the system that bringing in outsiders can.

    I think the current set up might be a little cosy for some.

    Afternoon Geo.

  251. Bob – “I think the current set up might be a little cosy for some”

    This is a vaild point.

  252. Jabba; tabloid articles are not proof. You must be OCD, there is no other reason for a sane person to keep posting the same shit time and again.

  253. Jabba's delights

    Dexter

    Actually some of us doomers are just following our great managers lead by saying we cannot have a another Flamini situation develope. The longer this goes on the less value the player has and the less leverage we have.

    With regards to replacements im not sure but i would hope that our incredibly well paid manager and scouting network who are always supposedly looking at players could find one.

  254. CBob

    I am still hopeful of a few more new faces. That gutted empty, hollowed out feeling I felt last season is still in the memory banks man.

  255. JD wasnt referring to you in my 1st post. You’ll know when I am referring to you.

    Your posts are tedious.

  256. George

    Now now.

    Where was the articulate response? I only asks this as you constantly come across with a condescending tone and implied higher level of intelligence of those who disagree with your opinions.

    Also to call me ignorant suggests I have a lack of knowledge (far from). However you got one thing right, I am a cunt at times.

  257. That’s fair enough consols. It does seem that it is a bit ‘cosy’ for some (like that term), maybe i have a bit too much blind faith that some more oomph will be injected this year through mentality alone, but i doubt we’ll get to test that theory out anyway as I’m failry sure we’ll have a couple more to add to the 2 (or 4 depending on how schizo Gervais really is) signings already made.

    Have a good one all, time to clock off 🙂

  258. “However you got one thing right, I am a cunt at times.” haha! had to laugh at that!

    Peace all

  259. Frank | July 12, 2011 at 3:56 pm
    “Oh fuck off, Henristic, you complete tosser’

    Hahaha. So Frank, is the above endearment from the real you, or from your pretend online personality?

  260. wenger said this at the close of the season-

    “We conceded very few goals from open play, most of them were from set pieces in a way you don’t want to concede goals.

    “It’s something that’s easy to correct. We need to improve the size of our squad. We need a bigger variety in the height of our players. We need to be more capable of fighting against some characteristics than we have been this season.”

  261. george rodger

    Luke .you said this…………….
    “Try looking at the two teams who have won the league the past 7 years having scored more and conceded less. We need to embrace change. Not swot it away as the devil.”

    Now I get what you are saying.And keep saying ,
    This is where we fundamentally differ.You want us to play like Man U or Chelsea in order to improve.Where as I want us to play like we do only improve a little.
    We will never agree while our philosophies differ.

    But thank you for your recent change in attitude towards me.

  262. Harry Redknapp and value for money in the same sentence?

  263. @Georgerodger @4.03pm

    Hello George, I’m fine mate. See you’re doind battle with the doomers, gloomers and cunts today. Good on ya!
    I can’t be Arsenaled to be honest… too many parties in town at the moment. But can’t wait to see tomorrows game.

    Hello, Bill Turner, me ol’ Septic, how are you today?

  264. george rodger

    Dexter ,There have been some very obtuse people here today and I have felt somewhat deserted 🙂

  265. A few on here have been waxing lyrical about Frimpong and looking forward to seeing him next season. Thats cool with me, although I still think he would benefit from a loan more than staying.

    I have been hopeful of a DM signing to compete with Song and to cover his absence come the ACN, I still am hopeful that will happen. But we also have Francis Coquelin, who has returned from France and did well there. Its a pity he is off the U20s World Cup, so we probably wont see him for a few weeks yet.

  266. LimparsAssist posted yesterday that he thought it was bad for Arsenal FC not to post a photoshoot of the Gervinhos in the red and white…… but they have done, it’s here:
    yfrog.com/kf5wtekj

  267. Too cosy eh CBob,
    you’re twisting my arm CBob:
    (editing my 4:15 post YW to read):

    “I’d be all set once we buy that CB & Arturo Vidal”

    whaddya thing Bob?

  268. Jabba's delights

    Bill Turner

    i just here people like you constantly harp on about how we cant compete with the wages of chels. citehh and utd and yet i just wonder how you would explain Spurs doing quite a good job of competing with us when their wages are are around half that of ours.

    Thats that silly moment where i look outsie my arsenal box again.

  269. Chris I am enjoying another fine day in the land of shit… i mean opportunity. My rock and roll band just played our first concert last night so i’m feeling a little hungover and herbert chapman’d out.

  270. george rodger

    Maximus,What?You think I did not see your game?
    You think I could not have mounted a reasoned response?

    I just saw humor in that reply.I am sure you are a cunt more than some of the time

  271. Jabba- Van der Fart for under 10 millions was a quality signing.

    Spurs manage to compete with us because they have quality players like “7 goals 1 assist PFA player of the year” “croatian midfield magician” and “tall guy who is good at headers”

    Okay even I am not sure if the above statement is sarcastic or not, but Spuds will be Spuds will be lesser than the Arsenal.

  272. From arse.com

    http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/van-persie-we-have-to-win-something

    “The very least for us is to win something,” said Van Persie. “It doesn’t really matter what it is. We made the final a couple of times and went to the semis a couple of times, so it’s time to win something now. Hopefully we can achieve that this year.

    “Maybe we can focus more on the stage of February onwards, that’s where it went wrong over the last couple of years. Maybe we can focus on that period. Most of our players will be fresh from now until the start of January. When you want to win things, the season actually starts at the end of February. That’s when we need to play better or do things a little bit differently.”

    Van Persie has been arguably the hottest striker in Europe this year – he scored a joint-record 18 goals from January 1 to the end of last season and has netted in a record nine consecutive Premier League away games. He wants to pick up where he left off when the new campaign starts next month.

    “For me, it was the first time that I could really push on from February or even earlier. I set myself a big aim to keep going as long as I could,” he said.

    “Everyone needs to find their own trick, to push themselves to play better than you normally do. That’s what I did. Hopefully we can do that as a team because you are always stronger as a team than as an individual.”

  273. My link to Gervinho 3 photoshoot didn’t work. Here it is again:

    http://yfrog.com/kf5wtekj

  274. “the season actually starts at the end of February. That’s when we need to play better or do things a little bit differently”

    Agree fully with this from RvP (thanks Henristic).
    A few tactical adjustments in our approach could help

  275. george rodger

    Jabba.In transfers the Spuds have spent some £150 million in 5 years(net)we have spent zero .So factor that in.Also the don’t have the huge youth set up which we are hopping reaps benefits for years to come,
    But I don’t expect you to understand

    “do you want fries with that?”

  276. our being AW & his players

  277. Very good points by RvP, the leader of the team. I hope he gets much better luck with injuries this time around, and also that Cesc chooses to stay with us. if the football gods can grant us these things, we should win something this year (apart from the emirates cup)

  278. George I only managed to read the 1st 20 odd posts (and most were well odd!) Sorry dude!

    I just find the reaction of some who are jumping on Wengers back for being the complete opposite to what they accuse him of, bizarre. I want Nasri to sign a new deal, but if he doesnt, I aint sure selling him to United or City is such a good idea? The reaction in the media when it was first mooted was just a hint of the bullshit that move would unleash. There would be a torrent of negativity and yet again, the fair weather knee jerky contingent would barrack the club for selling to a major domestic rival. We’d have to get stupid money from them to make it even considerable imo.

    It just seems to me that if Wenger had said he was selling Nasri to United, then the reaction would have been the usual shit about him caring more about profits. This stance if nothing else has shown that Wenger cannot do anything right as far as some Gooners are concerned.

  279. Henristic we are going to win lots of things next year. Matches, headers, free kicks, and maybe a tin cup or two.

  280. “This stance if nothing else has shown that Wenger cannot do anything right as far as some Gooners are concerned.”

    D**m Crew take note.

  281. “Everyone needs to find their own trick, to push themselves to play better than you normally do. That’s what I did. Hopefully we can do that as a team because you are always stronger as a team than as an individual.”

    Unfortunately, most of the squad couldn’t do this last season. Most people find it hard to motivate themselves and require external prodding. Arsene needs to find a way to get the rest of the squad ‘pushing themselves’ to the very end.

  282. Limestonegunner

    I liked Frank’s point about the possibility that our approach in defence may be changing. Could be very interesting to see what shifts. Samba or Hangeland type players would be good to practice against certainly, so having some players who offer something different, whether physically, mentally, in style might give us the ingredients to take the league this season.

    I think it is more crucial that we keep Fabregas than Nasri. Hopefully, Nasri isn’t going to be kept (even if he won’t sign a new contract this summer) this next season to replace Fabregas in the center of midfield. I think he should start to play there more often, so that Fabregas doesn’t have to strain his hamstrings or be rushed back after injury. Eventually, the team will have to develop a way to play without Fabregas, but I feel like it is so important to start winning with this team.

    Els made a wonderful point about letting Gibbs play (though signing an experienced backup/competitor makes some sense since Traore is to my mind not reliable) because that is what we are known for and allows us to attract excellent young players. This does have to be carefully balanced however with insuring that the best ones don’t view Arsenal simply as a stepping-stone to bigger clubs that pay better and win things. This is a very difficult set of contrasting forces to reconcile and manage. Consider RvP’s reported remarks. He supports this club’s philosophy but also is calling for reinforcements of quality and keeping Fabregas.

    That’s why I think this summer may be Arsene Wenger’s greatest close season test and a pivotal one for this club and project.

  283. Bill Turner | July 12, 2011 at 5:08 pm
    “Henristic we are going to win lots of things next year. Matches, headers, free kicks, and maybe a tin cup or two.”

    You should be saying that to RvP, not me 🙂
    “The very least for us is to win something,” said Van Persie. “It doesn’t really matter what it is.

  284. Good discussion today,

    When we find out what went wrong with the scoring we can answer what went wrong at the back as they happened at the same time. I also think its easy to see that we defended poorly when Djourou cam back from injury, he didnt seem to be ready.

    As has been said also, the defensive players need time to gel, you are not going to have 3 players who have never played together, become the best overnight. The encouraging thing is actually that they played well for most of the season and from open play all season, regardless how it looked.

    I believe we many havent given the players a chance and have no idea how good they can become when settled. From what I have seen, I believe the players we have can get it done with proper training.

    BE Blessed!!

  285. Henristic, I agree with you at 5:11. Most of the squad was not able to spur themselves on to do great things. Instead they ended with a serious limp. Why was the squad not able to push themselves? My guess would be a serious lack of self confidence.

  286. George

    Haha all fun and games.

    What else would you expect from us “burger flippers” from Le grove.

    I’m not a Le grove extremist however I lean towards their school of thought rather than the over placed optimism and trust shown here.

    And George

    Yes I do want fries with that, and can u chuck in a BBQ sauce.

  287. Jabba's delights

    George

    Indeed they have spent alot of money on players George but your stats are at best woeful and at worst a plain lie.

    http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/2006-2011.html

    Its our choice to pay off debt incredibly quickly, even though we say its very managable.

    I pay alot of attention to our youth, you shot me down about a month ago for wanting more of our squad players to be youth this year.

    Bartley, Frimpong, Lansburry, Afobe everyday of the week over Squilaci, Denilson, Vela. Rather they make mistakes but try their arse off than the 3 above who make mistakes and dont appear to work. Fact is though our youth costs a huge amount of money

  288. LG
    Great to read from you again.

    I’m not quite as sure as you are that this season represents any kind of threshold for the club’s [youth] project. Primarily because we can’t afford to do anything else until we sign new commercial deals to match our rivals. Except of course one or both of our billionairre owners invests in the club, or the board decides take on more debt.

    And since Wenger is about the best candidate anyone can think of who can work under such conditions, I don’t see him leaving the club anytime soon unlike a collapse like what happened last season repeats itself.

  289. Jabba, didn’t you say that Manure improved with the purchases of Jones, De Gea and Young? Young is not as good as Giggs, Jones is not as good as any of the starting CB’s, if the u-21s is anything to go by, and De Gea is light years away from being at Van der Sar’s level. So how come are you shitting on Gibbs? Stop sucking on MU’s cock and get behind your own team you fucking traitor.

  290. Bartley, Frimpong, Lansburry, Afobe everyday of the week over Squilaci, Denilson, Vela. Rather they make mistakes but try their arse off than the 3 above who make mistakes and dont appear to work.

    Lol Jabba do you even know what work is? It requires force and distance. I recall all 3 of Squillaci, Denilson and Vela doing work whenever they play for the Arsenal.

  291. Bill Turner | July 12, 2011 at 5:25 pm
    “Henristic, I agree with you at 5:11. Most of the squad was not able to spur themselves on to do great things. Instead they ended with a serious limp. Why was the squad not able to push themselves? My guess would be a serious lack of self confidence”

    I don’t think its self confidence per se. In my experience there are more people in this world who find it hard to push themselves when things are going against them, than there are the RvP type. The former type of people need and usually respond to the right kind of external motivation.

    Put in other words, I’m not suprised that most of the players couldn’t step-up, especially given the relative lack of maturity in the sqaud, but I expected the management to have done a better job of motivating them.

  292. *correction to 5.31 post

    I don’t see him leaving the club anytime soon unless a collapse like what happened last season repeats itself.

  293. Silver Gunner

    Guys I think keeping Cesc is more important nasri could go for nothing in 12 months in my mind if there is no way he will sign a new contract then he must be sold in the same way that Clichy had to be sold.
    We are no obligation to sell cesc if anything he should help us as captain to win our first trophy in years and allow arsene to find a suitable replacement, because as things stand I can’t think of many midfielders that can give you his assist to goals ratio perhaps goetze that’s it.
    As usual YW your high standards are maintained.

  294. Silver Gunner

    I also hope AW sticks to his promise to make some experienced defensive signings, this for me is the missing cog. I am praying that it is Samba

  295. Jabba's delights

    Gainsbourg

    Hmm lets look at this.

    Jones improves their stable of CB’s considering they had to play Brown, O’shea and Evans there this year. So they are much more adept at coping with an injury to one of their 2 world class cb’s. Remener lord Arsene bid 16m for this guy.

    Jones is also equally adept at playing in DM. Now last year who were there DM’S. I remember them playign 3 defenders in midfeild against us and wining, but lets be honest here that wont win consistenly against teams who arent naive!!! There other options were Gibson and Hargreaves

    De Gea no he isnt Van der Sar btu he is considered the best young keeper in europe who has 3 years of starting experience in la liga and europe. Its a pretty frickign good signal of intent.

    Young. Lets see how he does at a major club. It also adds to there attackign depth so they are far more able to cope with injuries. He also has wonderful set peice delivery so lets be honest here he hasnt made them worse. So utd depth has got better in attack and defence and they are still after a playmaker.

    No shitting on gibbs, jsuts an honest assesment of what is to be expected of him. He isnt as good as clichy and clichy wasnt good enough last year. We need a quality lb…..very very simple.

    Bill Turner

    How did you think Squilaci and vela did this year or are you another of these Americans like Nasri who only picked up the rules of soccer 2 years ago but see it fit to piss on peoples arguments who have supported and attended the gooners since before the 49ers last won a super bowl. Did you see the Braga away game where Denilson put in the worst shifts of work i’ve ever seen or were you chomping on some nachos. Were you watching up cup run this year when we couldnt put away Orient, Leeds and Huddersfield. Did you read Song comments about the team believeing they just had to turn up, then go watch the CC game and see the shift Lansbury puts in and tell me we wont be a better team with players like that in the trenches……idiot!

  296. george rodger

    Jabba posted this link as a rebuttal of one of my posts

    http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/2006-2011.html
    mply
    As it happens it ju shows the enormity of Arsene’s achievements and his genius over the past 6 seasons

    Thanks Jibber

  297. george rodger

    jabba.

    Remener lord Arsene

    that wont win consistenly against teams who arent naive!!!

    that is why you are a cunt

  298. george rodger

    Jabba .,I am sorry
    That is not the reason at all.
    the reason is you are to stupid to realize you are stupid

  299. It is interesting that Jabber acknowledged that his fairly rigid and pessimistic views of the current state of affairs at our beloved club are obtained from arseblog and le grove. Reading the tabloid media and the blogsphere his views are fairly well established among AFC fans. Hence they need a little dissection. The essence of both bloggers position (one rabidly vulgar and the other well spun with wit and comedy) is the policy of financial self-sufficiency and organic growth from the youth ranks has failed. To me, they have based this conclusion on two things. First, the club’s failure to win a tin-pot in the past six years and usually muddling between 3rd and 4th. Second, the apparent success of the big spenders such as Chelsea, Man Utd and, now coming in the frame, Man City.

    It seems to me that after 6 years there are many in our ranks who have decided it is full-time to rip up the self-sufficiency policy, abandon development of our own footballers via the youth program and move over to the other side with the big spenders by relying on expensive transfers. No wonder there are glib statements such as clear out the “deadwood” and spend some money on proven experience. But there is a huge contradiction that neither Jabber and his ilk at ablog and the grove are willing to openly discuss. On one hand, the club cannot move the so-called deadwood at any thing less than cut rate prices. None of these players with one or two exceptions have reached their full potential hence they will never command their true value much less a premium. Worse we would be flooding the market with middling players to middling clubs, who in general have no money. On the other hand, the Kroenke regime that holds the power will never become sugar daddys and fund a transfer-based policy. Kroenke’s record is pretty clear, his sport franchises are run like proper businesses and not like the boondoggle at Man City, funded by the sheiks of Abu Dhabi.

    So all this eternal jabbering that the club needs to make major transfers in this window appears to me to be pipe dreaming. Unless the club adopts the “nuclear” option of ripping up a six-year old policy in an era of economic recession throughout Europe, which is as likely as hell freezing over, I cannot see any alternative to promoting from within, making 2-3 quality buys (yes selling 2 or 3) and relying on organic growth of our players to take us to eventual success.

    My favorite fictional figure, General Kutuzov of War and Peace, was set upon and ridiculed by all the armchair generals as he advocated patience whuile Napoleon’s troops lay their siege on Moscow throughout the Russian winter. We all know how that went. Comparatively this winter of discontent in the ranks of AFC is just a litle tempest in a teacup.

  300. Jabba you are chatting over simplitic shit again. Squillaci did well when he innitally came in, had a big dip and then improved (I think he was overused and TBH, I’d rather we hadnt have signed him, but thats a different argument and its gone now). Yet no surprise you have followed the herd in scapegoating him. Vela? Erm, I dont recall him playing that iften for Arsenal, while Denilson barely featured.

    Your posts are slipping, you used to atleast make an effort when you first posted on here. I remember you even pretending to support the manager back then.

    And typically you jump on an overseas supporter as if you know better because you live in the UK, again pathetic and lazy.

    And for the record, I dont rate Denilson, but he hardly played for us, so using him as an example (along with Vela) shows you up mate.

    I am sure bartley and lansbury will be allowed loads of time to fuck up wont they? Especially when they cost us points. I can just imagine the happy faces and warm applause as we lose a game because one of the yutes fucks up.

    I hope Lansbury gets a chance this season with the 1st team squad, while Bartley is more than likely going out on loan, along with Afobe.

  301. Right, laters haters. Im off.

  302. Now about Chris Samba. Last season how many of the 59 goals conceded by Blackburn Rovers were from set pieces? Just asking.

  303. Yes Jabba I am a Septic who began supporting the Arsenal just over two seasons ago. Yes I watched every game this season and enjoyed it thoroughly. Yes I can smell your stench across an entire ocean.

    Like others have said on here, following the team through a whole season is comparable to a roller coaster ride.

  304. Limestonegunner

    Hi Henristic, thanks and nice to chat with you.

    I didn’t mean to be melodramatic by calling this a pivotal summer and I certainly don’t envision any of the scenarios you mentioned, AW leaving the club or the developmental/sustainable policy being abandoned, because I think you are right. What I think could change is the perception of the club. If we come through this transfer season stronger and succeed this season, it will be a massive victory for Arsenal and its path. But if we falter, it will be a serious blow to morale.

  305. Arsene just can’t win. If he sells Samir – people will moan about Arsenal not being an ambitious club, losing our best players, call Wenger a liar and a joke.
    If he keeps Samir – people will still moan, sell him and bring in Mata, arsene is a liar, he has made the club a joke, players are running the show, the chickens have come home to roost, etc etc.

    you can’t please people it seems, i really feel for Arsene, having to deal with these media twats everyday as well as impatient and idiotic fans. Only when Arsene retires will we knw the extent of our money issues, he could the miracle worker or the miser who never spent.

  306. There’s been a lot of focus on the gamble Wenger is taking in keeping Nasri, but why would it make sense for another team to spend 20M on Nasri now? If Nasri really is going to run out his contract, the buying team would be able to get him on a free next summer — so buying him now is just a waste of 20M, aside from whatever benefit there is to having him this season. Unless AW is right and the benefits of keeping him for a year, combined with the possibility of getting him to sign an extension, really are worth the risk of losing 20M. Which they probably are, particularly when the January transfer window — which, if Nasri is still unwilling to sign a new contract, would provide an opportunity to sell him on to a team desperate to pick up a player for an extra push towards a CL spot while picking up a comparable player from a team that is out of any trophy hunt and in need of cash — is factored in.

    I am a bit baffled by our refusal to break our wage structure for our top players, and by everyone who faults Nasri for wanting a contract that will pay him 100,000 or 110,000 or whatever the market will bear a week. There is a market for talents like Nasri’s, other teams are paying market wages, and we can hardly expect our best players to stick with Arsenal on long term contracts that pay them 20% or so below the market rates, as the contracts for RVP, Cesc and Nasri apparently do.

  307. ‘ Do you want fries with that ‘, ‘ in wenger we rust ‘. ffs who will be posting next…bruce forsythe…

  308. ‘Ello, Cbob. You reckon the squad’s no stronger now than it was going in last season? Respectfully disagree, sir. Here’s some Reasons To Be Cheerful…

    1) Aaron Ramsey
    2) Tom Vermaelen
    3) Gervinho
    4) Carl Jenkinson
    5) Szczesney – importantly, a keeper with the backing of the fans
    6) RVP and Fabregas with a full pre-season

    On the flipside we lost Gael Clichy.

    I make it we’re up about 10 pts.

    We’re always treated to a couple of firebrand breakthroughs – to the great credit of the academy. Last season we were spoilt with JW, WS, and JD. In Frimpong, Lansbury, Miyaichi, Bartley and Gibbs – there’s a pool of players there who are coming through sooner or later – probably 1 or 2 to make a decent contribution this year.

    I like the versatility of our two new signings. A quick, skillful forward to play anywhere across the front line? Not too many of those about. Could’ve used one down the home stretch last time round actually. And Jenkinson looks like John O’Shea with technique. Perfect squad player. Tall enough for centreback, quick enough for fullback. Could even end up in midfield.

    Agree that new blood shakes things up and the last thing we want is players taking it for granted. We’ve made two signings already though, and I think pressure from below can make up some of that new blood. In fact I think it’s vital. How does Denilson feel about Jack Wilshere’s ascent, for example?

    I think we’re in good position going into the ‘business end’ of the transfer window. Keeping both Nasri and Fabregas is massive for our title hopes in my opinion. Huge battle won for us.

    On top of this, I don’t think AW and IG are done yet either! I would expect one, maybe two more to come in. A centreback perhaps, with Squillaci moved on… maybe even another forward if NB52 goes. Plenty of time for all that. Not quite tippity-top yet, but nicely poised nonetheless.

    *Deep breath and sticks head back in the sand*

  309. Nasir Jones-Nasri

    Looks like we lost consolsbob to the darkside. Gutted. I absolutely refuse to believe this squad needs more than some slight tinkering. We were very close to winning things and were a bit unlucky as LimparAssist highlighted the other day on ArsenalVision. I happen to agree with LA that we are very close. Federer circa 2002 is very apt IMO. It must be tough getting as many dodgy calls as we got over the course of last season, too. Call me crazy, but we got ripped off more than a couple times last year. Coincidentally, Man U got the crucial breaks as usual.

    I think our collapse was a combination of dodgy refs, poor timing with a couple injuries, set piece defending, not taking our chances, and poor morale at the business end. Obviously the seemingly weekly dodgy performances by the refs didn’t help our morale, and I get the feeling some of lads knew we just couldn’t win last season. I think Nasri’s dip in form may be related to him being rushed back from injury, too. We didn’t have the luxury of rotating in a few areas up the pitch last year which was crucial at certain points. We missed Theo, too. I think the Gervinho signings (all 3 of em! 3 players for 10 mil? What a genius Wenger is) address that. Theo really cemented his spot last year and showed us how important pace is to our game. I think we’re fine in defense, and don’t think any of the establishments choices improve us. I think our problems get sorted on the training pitch, and TV5’s ability and leadership should not be dismissed so easily. People seem to have forgotten about him. I thought we made great strides last year defensively, we just need to sort out our set pieces. Just my opinion.

  310. GoonerinLA
    “I am a bit baffled by our refusal to break our wage structure for our top players….”
    Why? Because wages are inflated and you don’t fight a fire by adding more fuel. Arsenal has a wage structure yet we are 2nd highest in wages. Unlike most clubs and the league in general, Arsenal does not maintain two classes of wage earners; haves and have-nots. News from Greece and now Spain indicate big-spending football clubs are going to the wall. Too many of us on this blog believe that the EPL bubble is sustainable.

  311. Limestonegunner

    I was struck by the language AW used in this interview. He says he will fight to keep Cesc and Nasri. Whom is he fighting? Other clubs/managers, the players or Gazidis/Board/KSE who would be willing to sell?

    I wonder if it is the latter? In any case, I support AW’s attempt to keep the players. I wish he were more adamant about Cesc not going, as he was last summer.

    On another blog, a commenter had an interesting thought about some favorable conditions for Wenger’s gamble on keeping Nasri past the transfer deadline even without a contract extension in place. ManU, Man City, and Chelsea are trying solve their problems of creativity in midfield this summer for the season ahead and want to splurge now before FFP. The thinking is that they won’t be offering Nasri the same deals then. Perhaps his agent realized this in February this year. Could be…

    I think AW is going all out for victory this season and taking a bold gamble that Arsenal will be the most attractive team for Nasri to sign with next summer. Now, if we can bring in some further reinforcements, as well as hanging onto our best players, all this atmosphere of negativity about our club will decisively be reversed.

  312. Nasir Jones-Nasri

    I agree with Henristic for once. To say this season is crucial and pivotal to our philosophy is extremely naive, IMO. Especially when you put things into perspective and realize that we can’t compete with the North and South Chavs and the Real Madrids of the world.

  313. Shotta the EPL bubble is not sustainable. Same goes for pretty much every other bubble.

  314. Jabba: [I]”Jones improves their stable of CB’s considering they had to play Brown, O’shea and Evans there this year. So they are much more adept at coping with an injury to one of their 2 world class cb’s. Remener lord Arsene bid 16m for this guy.

    Jones is also equally adept at playing in DM. Now last year who were there DM’S. I remember them playign 3 defenders in midfeild against us and wining, but lets be honest here that wont win consistenly against teams who arent naive!!! There other options were Gibson and Hargreaves”[/I]

    Jones brings nothing close to the experience O’Shea and Brown gave MU. I’m not saying these players are any good, but Jones is definitely not better than them. If they lose one of their CBs through injury, Smalling is first choice infront of him, guaranteed. The fact that he lacks experience, however, puts him on the same footing as Gibbs. How do you know he’s adept at playing DM? Have you ever seen him play there? Can he even play DM at the EPL level? You’re just regurgitating media bullshit.

    [I]”De Gea no he isnt Van der Sar btu he is considered the best young keeper in europe who has 3 years of starting experience in la liga and europe. Its a pretty frickign good signal of intent.”[/I]

    Nevermind how promising he is. He doesn’t give MU what Van der Sar gave them. He also comes from a league where the aerial game isn’t as prominent, thus he’s unproven just like Gibbs. As for promising goalkeeper we have a twenty year old Szczesny who may have a thing or two to say about that.

    [I]”Young. Lets see how he does at a major club. It also adds to there attackign depth so they are far more able to cope with injuries. He also has wonderful set peice delivery so lets be honest here he hasnt made them worse. So utd depth has got better in attack and defence and they are still after a playmaker.”[/I]

    Funny, the most experienced of their new additions and you question how he’ll do in a big team. How do you know he’ll add to their attacking depth if you haven’t seen him play one game for MU.

    [I]
    No shitting on gibbs, jsuts an honest assesment of what is to be expected of him. He isnt as good as clichy and clichy wasnt good enough last year. We need a quality lb…..very very simple.[/I]

    See, what I don’t get is that you question Gibbs by saying this but then give MU’s additions the benefit of the doubt. Who are you to say that a player Wenger is ready to promote is not good enough? I think Wenger has proven many, many times that he knows when a player is ready to take his chance. You, on the other hand, only vomit what the tabloids and hacks feed you.

  315. well gervinho is on twitter for those interested, confirmed by youngguns

    http://twitter.com/#!/RealGervinho

  316. I am amazed at Ferguson’s chutzpa in what he is quoted as saying in the papers this morning.

    Whilst managers have been known to comment about another club’s style, or even another club’s manager, but these comments are a rude and disrespectful interference in another club’s affairs that cannot and should not be tolerated.

    It is clear that he is trying his own form of barcing, that is trying to manipulate another club’s player for his own club’s benefit.

    Is it a sign of desparation, ie trying to poach a player that he regards as being beneficial to him? I believe yes.

    It is disgraceful and should not be allowed to go unanswered by the club.

  317. george rodger

    Nasir Jones-Nasri | July 12, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    Very good post mate,I agree on almost everything,The fact that you can see a myriad of reasons why we failed shames the blinkered doomers from our own counttry
    I believe it was just one kick after another that chipped away until it all went horribly wrong.Only total simpletons think there was a simple reason for the debacle.
    Yet because we see reasons we are told we are delusional and making up excuses.
    And we are told this by people with no insight ,principals and or loyalty.

  318. Gary Cahill is not superman, nor is he the second coming of Franco Baresi, team defending is what will get us over the hump.

  319. @Shotta
    Just wondering, since when are we second in wages? As far as I know, we were 5th, behind ManU, Chelsea, Lpool and City. (though Liverpool might be below us now after they sold Torres … not sure if Suarez + Carroll together earn the same amount he did)

  320. my word, Vito Mannone is one scary looking dude lol.

  321. @Colney
    Gary Cahill is agressive and can head so thats why he is alot better than what we got atm. He may not be superman, but hes not Kos or Johan neither, and that is his biggest advantage according to Jabba.

  322. jabba's Delights

    Shotta

    Actually mate once again, i’m only calling for Arsene and the board to do all they can to put us in a position to be sucessful. Last season is a wonderful example of the club not doing all it can to improve an 11 point differential from the top sides. gloss over it all you want but squilaci 4m, chamach free and kosciallny 8m isnt everything we could have done. This annoys some fans. I love our sustainable model and i want our youth process to be tremendously succesful but not at the expense of the present anymore. we cant keep replacing 1st team regulars with youngsters and hope to challenge.

    I thought Clichy was a decent to good left back last year with weakneses. I thought if we could improve him we should. losing him and replacing him with gibbs and here is the really really bad bit Traore is a massive gamble that our manager in a crucial year for his wonderful legacy and future shouldnt be making. This summer was manr to be different. 3-4 quality additions 2-3 decent squad players out.

    I dont expect us to win trophies either. All i want is us to challenge and as shown earlier that means getting above 80 points. The fact that we lost the carling cup to a relegated team because we cant defend set pieces and a horrible cb gk mix up is neither her nor there i will just let the pundits say i told you so.

    Vela couldnt get a game at WBA, Denilson lost the confidence of the manager after some shocking performances in the cl away and in the cup teams.

    Gainsbourg

    jones has played over half his prem games at DM so yer i have seen him play there. he was also considered good enough for Arsene to launch a club record big for him. utd now have a DM and the 2 best young english cb in the league. make what you will of the fact that arsene tried to buy smalling and Jones.

    De Gea isnt as good as van Der sar but if you lose you starting keeper the best way to go out and sort out the issue long term is by buying the best young one in europe, de Gea has much more experience than our Scezesny but i do have hopes of him becoming a great. lets hope the learning process isnt to long for him as we cant afford many more spurs away or carling cup final mistakes in crucial games.

    Young ahs alot of talent he has just never been given the chance at the top level. if you think he has made utd worse thats your opinion, but i know a hell of alot of arsenal fans who would have loved a player like him in the side. He is a life long gooner who passion has always been to play for us. no he isnt world class yet but he has talent. We are also short of players over the age of 21 trained in england for 3 years before that age.
    If you now go and sign a playmaker as there manager has said they will can you show me a weakness in their team and squad. Its just that we are competing with them in 4 comps next year

  323. i don’t think arsene will sign another CB, i think Kyle Bartley will be promoted and he’s on par with Cahill in my opinion plus he has european experience.

  324. @ jjgsol
    you are right, however i thought AWs comments last nite took alot of the “power” away from Alex coments. It blew the whole ” nasri is signing for sombody but not us” commet away and made Alex just look stupid.

  325. Experience in playing for AM in the europa league is not the same as experience playing for Arsenal in the CL and in the PL Jabba.
    Im preatty sure if Chesney was avalable Alex would chose him over De Gea.

  326. I don’t understand the people slating Traore. He has been away for a year playing in the home of defensive football. I know he has had injury problems and featured sporadically, but how do you know he hasn’t learned a lot about positioning in training and in the games he has played? I have had my doubts about Gibbs, but if he deserves a chance, so does Traore. That’s what pre-season is for. If neither looks like they are going to cut the mustard, Arsene has other options within the squad even before looking outside.

    I also don’t agree with change for change sake as some are suggesting. Clichy, Bendtner and Almunia are moving on, 2 new signings have come in, plus there are several youngsters on the verge of breaking into the team, returning from injury or loans. The whole point of the youth policy is that some of those players will be given a chance to step up to the first team. Buying players is not always the answer and too much change could actually be disruptive. Last year’s team is a year older and hopefully wiser. The players bought last year have also had a season to settle into the club and the PL. I think they deserve a second chance. You can’t keep changing the team every season and expect to be successful.

    I am also amazed that no one has mentioned Arshavin? He looks like he means business this season. He has actually returned from his holiday looking lean and like he is ready to hit the ground running, which is a contrast to the out of shape specimen we saw last pre-season. A rejuvenated Arshavin will be ‘like a new signing’! Despite his inconsistency last season he was still quite efficient in terms of goals and assists.

    Then we have Jenkinson and Gervinho who are both gooners and will die for the shirt and bring much needed competition. I think there are plenty of reasons to be cheerful

  327. @ Max Gunner
    Sounds like you had a wonderful day – I am soooooooo envious. I am dying to see our boys in red and white.

    @ LimparAssist | July 12, 2011 at 7:25 pm
    that is exactly what I was going to say! And Gerv esp is more than a signing – he’s competition for Nasri, AA and Theo.

    @ Paul N
    Great video of training. The team must feel even more like rock stars than they normally do.

  328. hope you right colny, i really like Bartely. He can be better than Jones and Smalling for sure.
    They must really have faith in new signig Jenkinson too cos hes being exposed alot within arsenal meida. I think hes been in all the free films at arsenal player. Hope he lives up to the hype 🙂

  329. And how about this from Young Guns:
    “Arsène Wenger stepped his sides training schedule this morning, as Arsenal prepare to face their first challenge of the Asia tour, a friendly against a Malaysia XI.

    The highlight of the session saw wingers Theo Walcott and Ryo Miyaichi race each other, with both finishing almost identically.”

    Ryo is as quick as Theo!!!!

  330. Traore had a tough year whilst at Juve, his father passed and injuries didn’t help but his play improved towards the end of the season. i am sure his positioning and defensive capabilities have improved as well.

  331. “I am sure bartley and lansbury will be allowed loads of time to fuck up wont they? Especially when they cost us points. I can just imagine the happy faces and warm applause as we lose a game because one of the yutes fucks up.”

    They will get more slack than Vela and Denilson because fortunately they have the right passport.

  332. Passenal….great post!

    Agree with all!

  333. Forgot to say, SAF can fuck off.

  334. Wow. Ryo and Walcott will be wreaking havoc on both flanks!

  335. that’s if Ryo can secure a work permit otherwise his pace won’t be an asset for us this year.

  336. From the Malaysia blog on arsenal.com
    “..Meanwhile back at the team hotel I was in the audience for Arsène Wenger’s Q&A session with 50 Malaysian businessmen.

    The manager, once again, demonstrated his incredible public speaking prowess, discussing how football management relates to business management. He answered questions such as how to deal with egos, whether he re-evaluates his tactics during losing streaks and how he finds a balance between successful business and producing fine art, and even quoted famous philosophers along the way (“The only way to deal with death is to turn each day that proceeds it into art” was his answer to the latter question).

    The audience was spellbound and gave him a standing ovation. If this tour is as much about promoting the Club’s image to a new fanbase as it is about playing football, then Arsène’s presence at such events is priceless. It’s difficult to imagine any other manager in the world, let alone the Premier League, holding court in such fashion with 50 Asian entrepreneurs.”

    Makes you proud, doesn’t it?

  337. that’s awesome Fungunner. I think we are a club widely respected around the world.

  338. Mrs. Fungunner, that is why we say “There is only one Arsene Wenger” and it is a true statement. I would get a kick out of Tony Pulis holding a press conference in a foreign country.

  339. Is this game televised or streaming anywhere tomorrow? Don’t want to miss it…

  340. “I would get a kick out of Tony Pulis holding a press conference in a foreign country.”
    ha ha ha!

    @ viceologist
    It’s on ESPN, I believe. If you’re based in the UK and an Arsenal member or an ATVOnline subscriber, you can see it on live video stream via Arsenal Player on the official website. You can also subscribe just for the day.

  341. Thanks Fungunner…I checked ESPN here in the states and it is not on. I will have to subscribe for ATVO then.

  342. george rodger

    The man is a colossus,
    I believe it is his biggest problem.All other managers and pundits as well as journalists and footballs governors look rather dim when compared to him.
    Add to that his honesty and general dignity and it is easy to understand why they try to put him “in his place” at every opportunity
    He would be first on my list of dinner party guests.
    Ok second behind Dennis Bergkamp.

  343. Viceologist you should be able to view the match via the innerwebs. I checked myp2p and they have the match on their list, no channels up yet though.

    I just checked the ESPN schedule and there are no Arsenal sightings 😦

  344. Ohh George, eating dinner with both Dennis and Arsene would be quite the evening.

  345. If Ryo is added to the squad in addition to Gevinho this summer we have more good players to rotate comes February. cool!

  346. And James Scott Connors would fill the final berth.

  347. I like the new bob. no one really thought we were going to replace Clichy did we. well i actually did. but in me best Roger Daltrey voice….. we wont get fooled again.

  348. Great posts by NJ-N and Passenal.

    I for one am not against buying but I see reason to be very optimistic. Up until we imploded (for whatever reason. I believe the team didnt get over the Barca and CC matches) we looked good for the PL. AS RVP says, the team has to learn how to keep their heads up at seasons end. With that said, we gave away some cheap points at the beginning of the season too.

    We can only speculate as to how we think the team will be affected mentally. Its quite possible that last season could be a reason to make them work harder, to not allow bad situations to keep them down again. Many time you learn how to stand when you have taken a few falls, thats a part of life on a whole.

    I am looking forward to our team doing the business this season, as always!

  349. “after” you have taken a few falls…

  350. Well have decided to take the day off work tomorrow and watch our boys in action. I find it a truly mouth watering prospect that Ryo is just as fast as Theo!! Remember when Barfa said he scared the shit out of them? Well now we have two of him, one on each wing, how scared they will be if we meet them again!! As for Cesc/Nasri? do what you want boys as it won’t change Arsenal one bit in my eyes.

    On another note myself and some friends will be going to see Manure V. MLS 11 on July 27th. We will be a mixture of Gooners, Chavs, Scousers and (as much as it pains me to say it) one Spud. All rooting of course for Manure to lose and, with luck, pick up some season ending injuries! Shrek and Nani are the two I would love to see out for a season but only time will tell. And yes I am fully aware of how unsportsmanlike that is but I am not a Sportsman, I am a fan, so it is allowed.

  351. What a star you are, Passenal….and you too NJ-N

  352. Frank were you a school teacher in your much younger days by any chance?

  353. I fear tha Consolsbob has been eating his own guzzledegogthings. Either that or advanced bumpkinisation is setting in. Maybe a bit of both. The fascination with cricket is indicative.

  354. No, DG, but my fourth wife was a gym teacher.

  355. Yay! “Barfa” has caught on!
    Good night peeps – very excited about the game tomorrow.

  356. Irishgray, where is that match being played? MLS vs United.

  357. Maybe it is the Minoan thing he has going. Those people have always been fatalistic, ever since the Santorini affair.

  358. I just can’t see us not winning the EPL this season

  359. nothing wrong with bob , his posts are bang on the money frank and you know it. where is the experience everyone said and knows we need?

  360. I just told you what I know, Dukegoonem. So now you know what I know, which is different to what you thought you knew what I know, you know.

  361. im glad george isnt around i have a feeling he will tell me to ask for some fries now. or he will ask me for fries i dont really know how the gag works.

  362. @ Paul-n – The game is being played at Red Bull Arena in Harrison, New Jersey. On the 28th, a Thursday I believe. I believe Henry will be playing, as well as Beckham if he stays fit.

  363. @ duke – DYWFWT? 🙂 I suppose you will be wanting ketchup too…….

  364. Duke their is merit in what Bob said.

    Experience does not have to be bought,In fact you would not want to buy the experiences that the team got at the end of last season,All they have to have done is learned from those experiences and we will then have some more experienced players .
    That how life works Duke.Mum and Dad don’t go out and buy it for you.

  365. Try telling that to our players george coz they all want “mum n dad ” to spend money.

  366. So. You and Consolsbob from now on, Dukegoonem. You must be thrilled.

  367. I know Duke I am just saying that buying is not the only way,Is it?

  368. Frank.Bob might have slipped but I seriously doubt he has fallen flat

  369. The future captain has spoken.

    “Loyalty is a big part of football and it shows if you are a real man or not. If you are loyal, it means you are a real man.

    “We have loyalty at Arsenal and players have shown that in the past.

    “Cesc showed that last year and hopefully a few more players will show it this year”.

    Little jack is not afraid to say it like it it. That statement put every player in a corner. You go you are not a man you stay you are a man. Simple

  370. Mark,

    In any language or grammar. You are still and will always be a sad cunt.

  371. Jabba: “jones has played over half his prem games at DM so yer i have seen him play there. he was also considered good enough for Arsene to launch a club record big for him. utd now have a DM and the 2 best young english cb in the league. make what you will of the fact that arsene tried to buy smalling and Jones.
    _____________________________________________

    Saying they’re the two best young, English CBs in the league is not really saying much. From what I saw in the u-21’s Smalling looked decent at best and Jones looked outright dismal. Just because Arsene went for them doesn’t make them automatically good players. They would’ve been brought in as prospects and who knows how they would’ve turned out. If you ask me, Arsene dodged a bullet on that front. By the way, it’s nice to see you back the youth policy when it comes to your beloved United. I wish you’d just extend that to our own players. I mean, it’s not like Gibbs is in the England NT while Jones is nowhere near it at the moment.

    De Gea isnt as good as van Der sar but if you lose you starting keeper the best way to go out and sort out the issue long term is by buying the best young one in europe, de Gea has much more experience than our Scezesny but i do have hopes of him becoming a great. lets hope the learning process isnt to long for him as we cant afford many more spurs away or carling cup final mistakes in crucial games.
    ______________________________________________

    De Gea is not the best young keeper in Europe. He is a good keeper from Spain, period. Stop trying to hype him so much. The fact that he’s nowhere near Van der Sar’s standard means that he is not an improvement.

    I can take Szczesny playing bad against Birmingham and Spurs if he puts in performances like he did against Barca and United. Plus Szczesny is taller and more comanding than De Gea.

    Young ahs alot of talent he has just never been given the chance at the top level. if you think he has made utd worse thats your opinion, but i know a hell of alot of arsenal fans who would have loved a player like him in the side. He is a life long gooner who passion has always been to play for us. no he isnt world class yet but he has talent. We are also short of players over the age of 21 trained in england for 3 years before that age.
    If you now go and sign a playmaker as there manager has said they will can you show me a weakness in their team and squad. Its just that we are competing with them in 4 comps next year
    _______________________________________

    Young’s a good little player but way behind Nasri and Theo, for example. Again, not an improvement.

    We are short of players over 21 trained in England for three years befor that age? Let me make you a little list of Arsenal players who qualify.

    Theo, Szczesny, Djourou, Gibbs, Fabregas, Wilshere, Ramsey, Diaby, Denilson, Bendtner, that new boy who plays RB, Mannone and Vela. Plus we have a shit load of boys coming through the academy. Are you fucking serious with this shortage garbage? You know who has a shortage of these kinds of players? Everyone in the top four but us, idiot.

  372. Nasri want to leave Arsenal but he wants to go to Real Madrid but they haven’t got the transfer fee this year you see Zadine is football coordinator at Real Madrid ,Nasri will get what he wants higher wages and a sigh on fee, Arsene and Arsenal could sell Nasri but does not want to strengthen any team in the EPL so he has No choice keep Nasri to play out his contract if we win the EPL and have a very good run in the C/Leauge eg better then Real M Nasri has a choice re-sigh for Arsenal pick up a sigh on fee and higher wages so its a game of poker. Now the question is will Nasri play to his potential to earn his Big money not only from Arsenal but Real M as well.

  373. Irish, Barffa is coming to Miami and will play but a few miles from my house. A friend offered free tickets and I told him to keep them. Not because I hate them, but Messi won’t be there, hahahaha!!!!!

  374. I would not mind selling Nasri to Real Madrid. We could make a decent return and he gets to spend one season on the bench ruing his move. He can always avoid that by signing for us, though.

  375. Gains – Well done mate 🙂 Have to say I would not be interested either, not without Messi. Will just sit here and wish for the day that Arsenal cross the Pond and bring some much needed relief to the boring summer months. I thought this would be the year as YES network shows Arsenal 360 and some Arsenal games through out the season, was kinda hoping that this was somewhat pointing towards a US tour but alas I was wrong.

  376. george rodger

    we could swap Samri for Benzema

  377. G69, Jabba isa united supporter and he comes on here to wind us up. what part of MIA do you live in by the way? I lived in dade county from 86-08.

  378. I want some French fries……..

  379. george rodger

    You have to be really stupid for me to offer you fries.
    Only burger flippers get the question 🙂

  380. Post of the day:
    “….Barfa is coming to Miami and will play but a few miles from my house. A friend offered free tickets and I told him to keep them. Not because I hate them, but Messi won’t be there….” (Gainsbourg69 at 12:56 am )
    G69 landed a few telling punches today, most of them aimed at Jabba, but this one was well directed. You are on a roll Gains.

  381. I got me ketchup all ready for nothin!?

  382. Breaking news: “Sources*” close to Cesc Fabregas claim to know absolutely nothing new on whether or not the Spaniard will be leaving the Emirates this summer but are quite confident that he just might do so. Said “sources**” also claim that Juan Mata has all ready been lined up as a replacement for the Arsenal captain, which apparently is news to the young midfielder as he said himself: ” This is news to me, I had no idea!!” << See, told ya 🙂 "Sources***" also went on to mention that when NB52 is sold he shall be replaced by Benzema. There apparently is something in the air as Benzema also expressed surprise, indeed shock, at being on the way to Arsenal: "I am shocked, who knew!?" << See, how is that for consistency?

    * – unfortunately at time of writing the veracity of these reports could not be verified.
    ** – see above
    *** – see above

    Can I have some fries now?

  383. Paul, I love how he has all the patience in the world for Ferguson’s youth policy but ours is just not good enough. United have lost some heavy, heavy hitters in Ronaldo, Van der Sar, Scholes and Tevez in the last couple of years and they haven’t replaced them with any kind of quality, but he thinks that they’re better than us because they beat us with a defensive line-up in the F.A. cup. I mean, they went from Ronaldo to Valencia/Nani, from Tevez to Chicharito, from Scholes to Carrick and from Van der Sar to De Gea. To him that’s superior to our budding talents.

    With regards to the LB position he tends to forget that if Evra gets an injury MU will be stuck with playing the little Brazilian turds on either wing. But no, to him Gibbs is too much of a risk despite the fact that he’s in the England NT, has Wenger’s backing and Vermaelen can fill in at LB if anything happens. .

  384. I actually live just a bit north of the Dade county line in Broward. When we first got here, in 86 as well, we lived in the country club of Miami. Luke Skywalker was my neighbor.

  385. Yeah, Shotta, can’t really see myself sat next to a bunch of plastic, Barcelona worshipers. I’d rather have dinner with my girl’s stupid family than do that.

  386. That Jibber Jabba is quite a piece of work.

    Are any of yall going to see Manure play against an MLS team? Man U is coming here to Chicago but the tickets are all sold out and I really don’t care to pay 100 bucks to watch a team I dislike.

  387. Limpar

    I liked your post mate, you probably cant see this with your head in the sand! 😀
    You also missed out young Francis Coquelin. He is off to the Under 20s in Colombia, but he looked really speacial before he went off on loan and can play DM and RB, very tenacious, aggressive, quick and skillful. I always get my hopes up about our young players, but I really hope he gets a chance. He could be ahead of Frimpong in the pecking order. Time will tell though.

  388. George; we could swap Samri for Benzema
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    Works for me man

  389. Passenal

    I’d love Traore to come good, I think its very churlish and not to mention not very supportive to write off young players so glibly and casually, makes me sick really. He might have a future at Arsenal, it might even be in a different position? Hey, how about as a defensive midfielder? 😀

  390. I dont get Jabba, G69, thats why I dont think he is an Arsenal supporter. There are not many teams that have as much talent as we have and our youth are 2nd to none.

    G69, I actually lived in the hood, Carol City just south of County Line. We should hook up when I come to Miam, if possible.

    Yeh Uncle Luke! He is a character, thats for sure.

  391. What time are we playing, folks?

  392. The Sun: Adebayor: “It’s an insult for City to tell me by email I can only train with the reserves”

    That’s what happens when you move from top top class to low low class Son.

  393. 1:45 PM UK Time
    8.45 EST (US Eastern Standard Time)
    5:45 MST (Arizona Time)

  394. Of course it’s in the AM for the US

  395. cool G4E! Hopefully, will be able to find some decent links..

  396. Arsène Wenger has accused Manchester City of attempting to bend Uefa’s financial fair-play rules via their new £400m sponsorship deal with Etihad Airways and he said the arrangement threatened not only the incoming legislation but the credibility of the European game’s governing body.

    He believes that Michel Platini, the Uefa president, is duty-bound to investigate the City deal and he ramped up the pressure on his fellow Frenchman, calling it “Platini’s big test”.

    “It raises the real question about the credibility of the financial fair play,” Wenger said. “That is what this is all about. They give us the message that they can get around it by doing what they want. It means financial fair play will not come in. It is as simple as that. I can understand how they do it but it raises the real question. The difficulty and the credibility of the financial fair play is at stake.

    “Plus, if the financial fair play is to have a chance, the sponsorship has to be at the market price. It cannot be doubled, tripled or quadrupled because that means it is better that we don’t do it and we leave everybody free. That can be defended as well, but if they bring the rules in they have to be respected.”

    The Arsenal manager had reacted with incredulity and no little scorn when he heard that City had struck the world-record 10-year deal with the company that is owned by the Abu Dhabi government and has close links to the City owner, Sheikh Mansour, a member of the Abu Dhabi royal family.

    The arrangement will see City’s ground, which is owned by Manchester city council, renamed the Etihad Stadium. It will also provide financial backing for what will be known as the Etihad Campus, the area of land around the ground, and it will extend the company’s sponsorship of the club’s shirts; Etihad already pay £2.3m a year for the rights.

    In contrast, Arsenal’s arrangement with Emirates, which was announced in 2004, was valued at £90m over 15 years. Around £48m of that came via shirt sponsorship, with the naming rights worth £2.8m a year. “We must have done a bad deal,” Wenger said, dryly.

    Last night City hit back, describing Wenger’s comments as “unfounded and regrettable”. In a statement, the club said: “The financial details of the comprehensive agreement announced last week between Manchester City and Etihad Airways remain confidential and figures being speculated about are not accurate.”

    However, the elements at the heart of the agreement include, among others, the securing for 10 years of one of the Premier League’s top-ranked media value shirts in 2010-11; the 10-year naming rights for the Etihad Stadium and the naming rights for the Etihad Campus which will evolve dramatically over the next decade.

    “Manchester City is a proactive member of the European Clubs Association and is working actively and with transparency with regard to financial fair play. In light of these facts, recent comments about the partnership by some observers are unfounded and regrettable,” the statement said.

    Uefa say that they are aware of the City situation and that their experts “will make assessments of fair value of any sponsorship deals using benchmarks.”

    Speaking in Kuala Lumpur while on Arsenal’s pre-season tour, Wenger offered the impression that he presumed Uefa would investigate whether Etihad had paid an inflated price. One condition of the Uefa regulations is that sponsors with close links to club owners pay fair sums.

    “It looks to me that Platini is very strongly determined on this,” Wenger said. “He is not stupid. He knows that some clubs will try to get around that and, at the moment, I believe they are studying, behind closed doors, how they can really strongly check it. That is where the financial fair play is at stake.”

    The new rules apply from next season, although Uefa will not begin assessing club accounts until the 2013-14 season, when they will assess them from the previous two seasons and stipulate that clubs break even, subject to an “acceptable deviation” of €45m (£40m) over the period. If clubs fail to meet the criteria, they face being barred from European competition. City’s last financial figures showed a £121m loss and the next set are expected to be worse.

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