New Signings Ahead Of Far East Tour? Don’t Be Too Sure…

Technical issues over, a mildly irritating start to the day. Which means it was half as irritating as the implosion on a certain social media site over the rumoured departure of Samir Nasri to Manchester City. Abuse was levelled and madness ensued until the last bastion of truth, Sky Sports News, backed away and lowered their alert level from ‘imminent signing‘ to ‘are interest in signing‘. I’m interested in studying psychology and archeology but it doesn’t mean that it’s going to happen yet I have expressed an interest in signing up for a degree course in either subject.

Where do you begin to talk of Arsenal these days. I would suggest that Twitter but at the moment is not the best place to start. There are some genuine debates to be had there, a frank – no, not you, you’re so vain – exchange of views can be had, interesting points raised. But by the power of whatever, when it goes into meltdown, all Hell breaks loose and even the sanest can lose every sense of perspective.

The insanity is a sign of the desperation for some transfer activity, a sign that the squad is being strengthened rather than weakened through departures. Step forward Gervinho, all three of ’em. Speaking in an article published in France Football, he has confirmed his transfer to Arsenal some way ahead of everyone else, the clubs rather strangely appear to believe that agreeing a fee is a rather important step in this process.

Arsène, all the while this is imploding, took time to talk about the pre-season tour of the Far East. As much as I am sure he likes that part of the world, I am pretty sure that he is not entirely convinced of any footballing benefit. He offered a little olive branch to those desperate for some new faces,

It is an opportunity for us to develop our game, to see what shape the players are in when they come back and also to see any new players that we have. It will be important to see how well they can integrate with the team. We will take the best possible squad. We travel after the first week of training [and] everybody will be back so the whole squad will travel.

Not a ringing endorsement of the trip, you can feel the distaste at having the commercial needs of the club overrule the footballing side. Welcome to the English Premier League’s Golden Age Of Greed. Arsenal – David Dein, in particular – were prime movers in the creation of the Premier League, reaping the bitter seeds of what was sown two decades ago.

Part of the squad will be Tomas Rosicky who confirmed he is staying whilst the ever-popular Denilson is staying as well. For the moment, at least. Meanwhile AC Milan ruled themselves out of signing Cesc because, according to Adriano Galliani, “Fabregas will not join us because he will join a different club“. Which is a bit like telling someone you would not have come to their party even if they had invited you in the first place. To make himself feel better, Galliani has decided some retail therapy is in order and whilst browsing has come across a Samir Nasri manbag which has caught his eye.

Stefan Savic is feeling a bit nervous about his Manchester City dream going up in smoke so he is looking to get a job in The Smoke, Arsenal the perfect destination once Partizan have exited the Champions League qualifiers.

And please, please can we sign Joey Barton. It’s got to be better than signing John O’Shea, isn’t it? But if you look at Paul O’Hehir on the internet, he’s published next to absolutely Jack in his career. It couldn’t be a joke on the Daily Mirror‘s part, could it? What’s John Cross going to do if someone else’s pieces are more ludicrous than his

’til Tomorrow.

Posted on July 1, 2011, in Arsenal, Football, Premier League, Premiership, Soccer, Transfer Gossip. Bookmark the permalink. 208 Comments.

  1. mumbai gooner

    first now lemme read

  2. mumbai gooner

    can fellow gooners enlighten me on stefan savic

  3. the logical conclusion to the summer transfer saga:

    – man united and arsenal to swap kits. And stadiums.

    – mancini considering buying wenger, upping his wages.

    – liverpool to pay 25 million for entire english world cup womens team. Because they are english.

    – barcelona admit – fabregas is shit, but he speaks catelan. Well pay 10 million for his blood and inject his dna into the next midget 14 year old prodigy we sign from argentina…

  4. Tick, tock according to jibby-Jabba.

  5. ClockEndRider

    “What’s John Cross going to do if someone else’s pieces are more ludicrous than his…”! Quite brilliant, sir…

  6. Delia--Block 112

    With no Federer in the semis at Wimbledon, I’m looking to Arsene to announce some signings ( of quality ) to cheer me up. Nothing i’ve heard so far fills me with confidence. I will be devistated if we lose both Cesc and Nasri , its bad enough Clichy going to one of our rivals. Gibbs is nowhere near ready to step into his shoes , is Baines on our radar. I really don’t know what to think, where the hell are we going!
    As always COYRs

  7. Jabba's delights

    From my EXTENSIVE analysis on youtube the more i like the idea of this Gervinho guy. He looks explosive in tight situations., exactly what we need in the final third when people are parking the bus. Lets get him Arsene.

  8. LOL at Milan. Nice analogy YW. And “John C” can suck my balls, as per.

    A gooner co-worker of mine just had a discussion with me and presented as fact the notion that we had sold 3 players (Clichy, Nasri, Fabregas) and bought 3 players (Gervinho, “some other guy” and Cahill).

    I’m just dumbfounded that someone can take rumour as fact, and then look at me like I’m crazy when I tell him none of those have actually happened. No more discussions with him ’til the window closes.

  9. John bloody O’Shea…God give me strength

  10. Jabba, does Gervinho tend to play left or right when not playing in the middle?

  11. It City offer £20m for a player going into the last year of his contract we should bite their hands off.Nasri had a good 6 months period in his whole Arsenal career.There were more sightings of Lord Lucan riding Shergar than Nasri after Christmas

  12. Judith Le'Strange

    At the rate we’re going we’ll be lucky if we sign anyone before the end of the transfer window simply because Wenger dithers over the price of decent players who might add something to the team and by the time he decides it’s too late because our rivals have been there and done the job. This Gervinho story has been running & running for weeks & still nothing, the same with Cahill & Samba. Now we’re being linked with a new goallie but again that’s gone quiet. Get a move on Wenger.

  13. Excellent post Yogi, but seriously, do you want Barton?? He is above average yes, but below arsenal! I would like to know, who does everyone prefer, Gervinho or Ricky??? Only one would come if fabregas and nasri are kept.

  14. theBigM

    You say John bloody O’Shea but we did sign Silvestre and Squillaci didnt we? We are not shy when it comes to signing duds

  15. Well im just thinking it will be a disaster for the papers if cesc and Nasri stays this siummer. they have “confirmed” their departuer for two months now. If they dont leave how can anyone ever belive what the english footy press ever writes again???
    It will be proven even to the neutrals and all other footy fans that they tell porkies all the time. Not only about arsenal, but about everyone.

    And Jon Cross?? He was bad enough before sumemer, imagin after, when all he has written is lies,lies, lies.
    AS i said, even neutrals and arsenal haters will after summer say ” circus arsenal in the press can never be relied upon”.

    ITs nearing circus Ronaldo this. Our club and our stars are the new Ronaldos when it comes to press coverage.
    I remembner when Ronaldo left United, AW said Cesc will be the new star of PL, but i never really thought it would go this mad.

  16. It is times like these when all the shite is flying around that we must stand as one and support the club.
    No one player or thrree if you like is bigger than the club.
    The policy will not change in the forseeable future and financial stability is the priority for the moment.
    Monopoly City has and will continue to try and blow everyone else out of the sky and unfortunately football will never be the same again.A level playing field hasn’t existed for some time but now it is being blown out of all proportion.
    Wenger has known for some time the possibilty of Fabregas and Nasri leaving and he maybe many things but an idiot he is not and I am sure he has tried to make alternative plans .watch this space.

  17. Carib

    If we are going to make one stupid signing, let it be Barton. We’ve taken enough duds off Ferguson already.

    YW

  18. Judith I don’t think you should stress out, Arshavin, Chamack were lengthy transfers. Nasri, Sanga transfers were quiet. It’s the 1st of July, relax. Read a book instead of all the rumours, its actually relaxing. When you eventually see what people have written, compared to what has happened, you can have a laugh 🙂

  19. Jabba's delights

    Again this only going from youtube and what i saw at the world cup but he looks more comfortable on the left.

    He looks genuinly 2 footed and perfect for a front 3. His directness, close quarter dribbling skills and movement off the ball look tremendous.

    You often here wenger talking about us not being sharp and lacking penertration when we have some of those bad days at the offices up top, he looks like he could change that. I can imagine Cesc and Arshavin in particular haveing a field day with him.

    Would love Arshavin to get more game time in the centre next year, he infuriates me at times but he is such a little genuis and cant help but feel we could get more out of him. His stats last year when he looked like he had 10-15% more in him were awesome.

  20. I can agree with you there Yogi.

  21. Wenger will wait until the eve of transfer window closure before buying someone on the cheap. Tell you what,by then the crumbs will be left and due to demand might cost more than the original price.
    I really fear for Arsenal with the FM in charge. The latest of being linked to O Shea sent the shivers down my body.He has forgotten Silvester.He must be naive and should be axed if he were to get the Irishman.

  22. I am excited more than anything. I don’t see how anyone can be anxious over our signings when you see United, Pool and City throwing their money on get rich quick players. Wenger purely goes for quality and suitability.

  23. I love it when John C. ‘gets nasty’ like he promised the Fabregas story would get last summer (CF4 this time last year: “I’ve just had the greatest conversation of my life. Think I’ll wait for a bit, go on and get a WC winning assist just to help lower my value and speed up this ‘transfer’. Makes a lot of sense to me.”).

    How exciting.

  24. Early doors, but this 1st of July lark is feeling more like the 1st of April.

    I live in Malaysia and have bought tickets for the forthcoming game out here as it’s about the only opportunity I’ll get this year to see some live action (maybe that sounds wrong?). But should our line-up consist of a spine of Almunia – Squillaci Tentacles – Rosciky – Vela, I may just sell my ticket and instead get a guaranteed happy-ending from the local rub-and-tug parlour (not Ray).

    Shhurely the Board realise that when we clamour for a ‘big name’ signing, I’m sure we all mean a world renowned player, not one with a dozen syllables such as Alex Oxen-Carthorse. Honestly.

    Finally, do any of you better informed peeps have an opinion on that Pedro Botelho chap? Could he be a reason why Clichy is keen to do the off, or is that wishful thinking?

  25. The good news is that apart from Gael Clichy our defense will remain intact. We can build on that. letting both Cesc and Nasri leave at the same time appears suicidal. Or does it? Maybe Diaby, Ramsey, Wilshere, Denilson, Rosicky, Lansbury, Henderson, Aneke, etc, may take it as an opportunity. But at worst if Cesc goes we should let Nasri do a Flamini next season! The attack minus Bendtner appears fairly intact. Things ain’t so bad after all as our young squad will be a year older next season. As I always say: “A tweet here and there and we are just fine!”

  26. Jabba's delights

    Chrisgoona

    I was under the impression Wenger spent 13.5m on Nasri………………is he a get rich footballer.

    Come on mate most footballers are the same, if they are genuinly a youth product from the club it differs but even cashly showed that not to be true.

    Football is a business and i dont see why the key component of the game which is the players should view it any differently.

    I would not paid 5m a year (just) , but if someone offered me double i might be pretty tempted to move on

  27. Jabba's delights

    JR

    Whats the general feeling of our great club over there in Malaysia are we well supported and is the general public not just arsenal fans excited about our arival. How big is the stadium we will be playing in and will it be a sell out?

  28. Jabba's delights

    Kenyan

    Your post just then made me more worried about the summer than i already was. You just compard some youngsters to possibly the best young attacking midfielder in the world and one who was considered in the top 5 players in the league last year

  29. Arshavin is a great player, but he gets knocked off the ball all too easily, yes he has the stats, but anyone playing in that position for arsenal will have talent. He has the stats, he has the speed, the short pass and shot, but I believe Walcott has surpassed him this season. I wudnt sell Arshavin though, sell rosicky while he has some resale value and bring in Ricky. Strength, distance shooter, flair, brilliant!!! Di Maria came from the same club, Ricky has been better according to an article I read about a month ago, but can’t always believe the press.
    Out:
    Almunia, Squillaci, Denilson, Bendtner, Rosicky, Clichy (realistically)

    In:
    Ricky, Samba, Cahill, Vidal

    Put vermaleen @LB
    Bothelo seems to be more attack minded than defensive. But I wouldn’t doubt Wenger on this position with Clichy and Cole his former pupils, But Gibbs needs another year, Traore needs consistent playing time and if we do buy a LB, I wish him to be solid as a rock, like abidal, just not ready to retire.

  30. Don’t not worry my fellow gooners: according to the Guardian website (which is fairly reliable “Sunderland are closing in on O’Shea” and Newcastle have received “no offers for Barton”. Please keep calm and carry on.

  31. Jabba’s delights

    I think that chrsigoona has been brain washed. He clearly does’nt know what believe any more.

  32. as they said in Lock, Stock, “Chill out Winstaarn”

    Well, the 1st July has arrived, will there be a ‘Big Bang’ or just a ‘poofff’

    L’Equipe this morning are reporting that Clichy has signed a 4 year contract with Man City. Thats the good news out of the way.

    I am now going on the piss with some english mate, so if I make any comments on here later, ignore me!

    Oh, and just to remind everyone, there are only 44 days to the game at St James Park.
    oh shit, perhaps I shouldn’t put 44 and newcastle in the same sentence………. perhaps later fellow gooners!

  33. Jabba’s delights

    Let me put it to you this way…

    There are arab clubs who are willing to pay 2 – 300,000 a week for a premier league player to wear the badge. Not to mention the huge sponsorship opportunities that a player could benefit from out there. Some footballers actually have ambitions. Giggs, Bergkamp, and many other great players never haggled over a pay rise. An ambitious player that will actually achieve something will bring in the financial rewards naturally through their performances.

    If Nasri is looking to cash in, he won’t do so at Arsenal.

  34. Jabba's delights

    Carib

    You see for me Arshavin dribbles more than he would like becuase he out on the wing. He is more of a passer but he doesnt get to play through the centre.

    If we keep Nasri and get Gervinho and a great striker our attacking options look devasting next year.

    Nasri, Walcott, Arshavin, Gervinho

    RVP, ???????, Chamack

    thats great quality and each player is different.

  35. Jabba's delights

    Chrisgoona

    I completely agree but very few footballers are like that now, and both the players you just mentioned were at clubs that won things consistently.

    Whilst its easy to paint footballers as just mercenary which in a way they are, i genuinly believe that most are utterly desperate to win things as well

  36. Thomas, you’re lumping Squillaci in with O’Shea and Silvestre? They were two squad players, used sparingly. Squillaci was at the centre of a back pairing who won back to back french titles.

    Where does this idea that Squillaci is not a quality player come from? The fact that a player of his calibre is our number 4 choice CB tells me Wenger hasn’t lost his touch in the market, far from it. Amazing. We have the respect and reputation to be able to attract a player like him to our club as cover and the doomers assume it’s because he’s shit.

    Jabba, yeah Gervinho could be a great signing. Just wondering if we’re buying him specifically to replace anyone.

    chrisgoona | July 1, 2011 at 11:49 am.
    Well said. Can anyone give me an example of a player who left us for more money and went on to earn more respect and/or glory elsewhere?

  37. Jabba’s Delights, I can’t help thinking of you as a hybrid Turkish Star Wars, nice to hear your positive side, keep it! Time to move on out Judith. Please take Jeremy. Elope or something. Jeremy and Judith LeStrange, as a combo, has a certain je ne c’est quoi about it, a whiff of danger.

  38. Jabba good point

    I remember watching arshavin play behind the stricker just before he came to Arsenal, looked explosive! never saw much of him on the wing. I think he has been dieing on that wing, but then again, when arsenal can’t break the dead lock everyone seems to be on the edge of the box, only nasri and fabregas have the vision to find the pass in that clutter, others may chip in but, can’t deny nasri or fabregas this statistic. Arshavin definetly has the killer pass on a break, which doesn’t seem to be a problem for any arsenal player upfront. I would still love to see him for another year though.

  39. Jabba’s delights

    Players like Song, Sagna, Vermaelen, Van Persie, Clichy, Arshavin, Cesc… they didn’t all come to Arsenal because of the money alone. Like you say, they came to us because they had ambitions. Its why our players are extremely frustrated, they know being at a club of our stature they should be delivering silverware. We have some highly motivated individuals at our club. It is a huge dedication to learn and play football the Arsenal way.

    If Nasri can’t see how privileged he is to be at our club I couldn’t care less if he walked. 90k or 100k a week is a huge amount of money.

  40. Markus

    There is always a scapegoat unfortunately. Our fans started on Koscielny early on in the season, then they quickly realized after he owned the best player ever to exist that their abuse was premature. Squillaci got landed a few fair games and for someone so experienced and use to other leagues there were always question marks on how he will adapt. I think he done pretty well considering the number of times our CB pairings changed with injury. He was never able to step in next to our best CB either. For a 4th choice CB, I think he was a very good buy. God knows how some can compare him to Silvestre!

  41. @markus, during the whole season, the pairing of squillaci with either djouru or kos did not workout. Kos and Djouru were better together and both of them are not world class yet, and if Squillaci is behind a defender who is not world class, then he is not for arsenal. Yes he was a class defender in his time, but either he is out of form or lost his touch. With samba or cahill arriving and Jenkinson already here, we dont need him to be the 4th. The back 4always looked like they suffered with jitters when he played.

    Everyone is also crying to see some signings, but overlooked the versatile Jenkinson who can play LB, CB and RB. If we paid 17mil for him, then the press would have been pleased and clamoured that arsenal are finally moving in the right direction!

  42. Jabba's delights

    Chrisgoona

    It is ahuge amount of money but180k or whatever he is potentially being offered. I’m not in the position to know but it must be incredibly tempting to take that. If im on 50k a year and love my company but was offered 100k to go somewhere else i would be tempted.

    Zimpaul

    If one actually looks at my posts i love and worship alot of our players and really like the idea of some of the players we are linked with. I’ve always stated that the thought of booing any of our players or going on a protest marsh would never cross my mind. Thats why its frustrating to be called a non fan or a doomer like geoff from le gove as i really am not. My doom comes from frustration over 3 years of a failure to address weakneses that all i ever said or say. When it appears we are finally rectifying them im happy.

    Carib

    I think one of our issues is that alot of our attackers drop off and try to receieve the ball. When one watches barcelona look at the movement and directness of some of their players without the ball, thats what i feel we lack. To many players wanting to be the creator rather than be the guy who want to be on the end of the pass. Thats why i thnk gervinho could be great. Look at his type of goals and runs then imagine, cesc, nasri or arshavin passing to him………..its a great vision…..im off to the toilet!

  43. Archeology, eh, YW? Nice one. I wanted to be an archeologist… growing up. Back when the only archeologist I knew of was Indiana Jones. I later found out I didn’t want to be an archeologist at all, not in the dusting-pottery-with-a-toothbrush Time Team sense of the word anyway. Rather I just wanted to be Indiana Jones. Swinging over spiked pits on a lashed whip, fighting Nazis, kissing pretty girls… that sort of thing.

  44. If Rosicky and Denilson stay I will be chuffed to bits. We’ve got a very strong midfield at the moment. If one or both of those two leave though, it’ll start looking weaker.

  45. Jabba’s delights

    But have we not rectified them? New defense, new GK, Wilshire, Ramsey, Gibbs…

    There are no instant solutions in football, especially at a club like Arsenal. Our game is so fine tuned, we can’t expect a player to turn up and perform how we want them to from game 1. The players that are regarded highly in the transfer market have been out of our reach for quite a few seasons now, it makes it even more important for us to develop the likes of Wilshire and get them playing the Arsenal way. When we have the opportunity to pluck a player of quality in the market Wenger is always doing his best to.

    How we have remained competitive over the last few years and how the expectancy of our fans remained for us to still win titles shows how the philosophy is coming along. I had full confidence in the ability of our players last year, I was not the only one. I expect us to challenge next season too no matter who Wenger brings in.

    United, Chelski, Citeh will have to keep buying season after season to keep up.

  46. God point Jabba. Wenger can do one thing though, and this would ease many arsenal fans, all he has to say

    ” We are in a finacially stable position and do not need to sell, we do not require the funds of any clubs to fund our transfer activities.”

    If fabregas has to go, then his price would have just gone up, Its time for the board members to realise, yes they do buisness, but they are damaging the hearts of many, damages that are not necessary!

  47. Other than a few matches (Chelsea, United, and Barca at home) there was an under-achiever atmosphere with this squad and injuries were not the issue this past season.

    As supporters, we should not be influenced by a prospects you tube high lights or the size and league of the player’s club. We need to find replacements that will raise our level of team chemistry and produce a team that over-achieves. We did not have this for the past 3 seasons.

    We need to show some patience at the moment and allow the club to utilize their financial strength.

    We must remember the current climate of football, so many clubs are in debt – big debt.

    There is pressure from those clubs’ banks, on their boards, to show efforts in working down that debt. For the majority of clubs the only option are selling their better players.

    Do any of us believe that Henderson was worth $20m ? Is Cahill worth $17 m ? Was Ade worth $25 m to City?

    I would love to see Nasri stay (only under a new contract that conforms to Arsenal structure), but at the moment, he appears to be another nomad player in the mold of Ade, Diarra, Bentley, Anelka………..talented but taking years to evolve in maturity.

  48. Obviously Cesc and Nasri are staying. Both stories bullshit right from the beginning. Twitter is the biggest bullshit enabler in history.

    I will be royally pissed off if Gael Clichy leaves. Hoping that’s Canal+ bullshit too. Probably… Every other fucking thing I’ve read about Arsenal this summer has been.

  49. Screw the press man, someone should hire one of those planes that writes in the sky, send them up and tell the press to go suck ah wood!

  50. LimparAssist

    I can’t imagine how all these shit peddlers will react if all 3 remained as Arsenal players come August. I am pretty confident we will keep at least 2 out of the 3. Anything less and I will be pretty gutted I have to say.

    Can we not convince Clichy to another year? Cesc to lead the team to trophies before departing? Nasri to prove himself over a season or 2? I think its pretty achievable. Its just down to what our manager’s take on affairs is.

    Maybe he sees a better LB or 2 on the market, maybe he wants to cash in on Cesc to invest elsewhere, and maybe he doesn’t want an Ade type player in his squad demanding before delivering…

  51. Jabba's delights

    Chrisgoona

    But thats the whole point i’m not looking for an instant siolution. We have a great team in place that is nearlly ready to challenge properly, and by that i mean hitting around 80-85 points on a consistent basis which is what is needed to win the leageu these days and making cl semi finals year on year. We have a good team that needs a couple of other attributes to compliment it. Its needed it for 3 years, i say 3 years as thats been the time since we have been declaring huge profits which could have been invested in the side to get them over the hill.

    I thought Wenger job before then was nothing short of remarkable, but one most draw a line under that now. Our mental issues i have no idea about how to resolve but i trust wenger in that finally he has now realised there is an issue, to sort them out. With regards to defensive set peices and attacking penertration i feel they are resolved by signings and more work on the training pitch. Once again i think its dawned on wenger this year that he needs to actively do something about this rather than the players just maturing and learning at their own rate. Whilst people get called idiots on here for stating our weakneses, i genuinlly beleieve that our manager was so caught up in the project that he wasnt objective enough witht he team…………i feel they badly hurt him this year and he will get his edge back.

    This is why im confident about next year as i believe our manager has finally realised that he needs to speed up the learning process of our very talented team by adding a catlyst to it.

  52. If Twitter gives honest gooners like John Cross and Tim Payton a chance to defend the club they support then it’s fine by me.

  53. Jabba’s delights

    Defensive concentration, set-pieces, holding out a lead… they are things that need improving on. In open play there is no better team in the league, we put so much emphasis on our passing and attacking play. I just can’t see Wenger and the Arsenal coaching team ignoring any of our issues over the last 3 years or so.. There must have been new things introduced in training, maybe an extra focus on certain areas.. I can’t believe for 1 second that it has been ignored. The transfer dealings don’t represent what is going on behind the scenes too.

    Djourou is a big lad, Vermaelen is good in the air, Koscielny too… then theres Chamakh, Bendtner, Diaby,… players that you would think are good in the air. The idea of bringing in a big player and our set-piece issues will be fixed is a bit too good to be true for me. I would love to see a Samba type, but you can almost certainly bet that type of player will need some footballing ability to make it at Arsenal.

  54. July 1 has come with nothing new. I am not sure what we are waiting for. How does it help us? Do we really save money by waiting? Even if we somehow save money the amount cant be enough to make it worth all the grief and bad publicity it brings to the club does anyone believe this is helping our players get mentally ready for the season? All that the players know right now is that we will probably lose 2 key players.

    The club seems be hellbent on frustrating it supporters and players and doing things the same way just because that’s the way we operate. if there was some logic and real benefit to the club I could understand.

  55. Bill, come on, calm down. Long way to go yet.

  56. Chris @ 12:53

    We have said the exact same thing for 2 years now.

  57. LimparAssist

    Bill is a wind-up merchant. Convinced of it. Every day a post more Eeyore, slit-your-wrists miserable than the last one. Stoking the impatience of Arsenal supporters with little waves melodrama and end-of-the-world-is-nigh propoganda. Utter cunt.

  58. Jabba’s delights,

    Arsenal’s support in Malaysia is huge, second only to manure. Third spot are the scouse and fourth chavksi. Generally it follows the pattern of English success and you can generally tell someone’s age by their team. Football support here is ubiquitous and knowledge excellent.

    The national stadium where the match will be held seats about 90k. Not sure if it will be sold out, but it will be well attended. Cheapest seats cost twelve quid each and then escalate to twenty two for decent ones. The exec seats are nearly eighty quid each.

    Prem League is the number one sport/pre-occupation here. If, as i hope, GMT is moved an hour or two forward, it will be even bigger, as weekday and late-kick-off weekend games become more accessible. On that note, it’s 8pm here and i’ve a bar to get to, a pint to sup and fingers to cross for some inbound transfer activity.

  59. LimparAssist

    “Arsenal are hellbent on frustrating it’s supporters?” What a fucking weasel you are, Bill. You are a snide old stoat scurrying around the pants of the online Arsenal world, trying to get us to wriggle. Unmask yourself, the game is up.

  60. July 1st is here, no contract in place with Nasri. There is sure to be a bidding war for this player. Experienced creative midfielders with epl experience……..that needle in a haystack.

  61. Bill, I’d wager our own players get their transfer news from somewhere a little more reliable than Sky Sports. I don’t know, maybe by actually talking to their friends in the team…

    “Gael, what’s the dealio? You off to City”

    “Naw, bollocks mate, agent just playing games, maybe get a pay rise! Coming for a kick-about?”

  62. Calm down Billl, and Limpar.

  63. Bill,
    Many of the players have come out to hint we will be signing players. Gervinho is pretty much in the bag. Relax hombre, things are not as bad as the media would have you believe (i’m sure you know I’m not one of the blame-the-media-for-everything crowd).

  64. @Limpar

    Clichy has already signed a four year contract with Man City… it was in L’Equipe this morning, normally, L’Equipe is fairly truthful in their reporting, unlike the daily star or the sun.

  65. Miami Arsenal

    I wouldn’t be to hopeful on immediate signing, Wenger said yesterday that it would be quiet until near August where we would need to make a signing. That article was I believe on SSN so I wouldn’t take it as verbatim. Arsene, doesn’t appear to be in a hurry so we just need to be very patient.

  66. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sid_lowe/06/30/thiago.barcelona/index.html

    Interesting article about Barca, Cesc and Alcantara by Sid Lowe.

    Barca seem to have the same problem as us in managing succession from youth team>reserves>1st team

  67. LimparAssist

    Was it in Le Monde? I’ll believe it when it’s in Le Monde.

  68. The mass hysteria that has gripped so many Gooners is amazing to watch.

    The persons who started the rumours about Barton and O’shea must be laughiung hysterically as some many bloggist take these jokes seriously.

    Let us all relax and enjoy the sunshine.

  69. i will be very shocked if cesc and nasri leave and sad if clichy goes. wish i learnt how to hack from 10yrs old cos le spurs would get shut down.

  70. Jabba's delights

    Limpar

    Bill just puts forward what alot of arsenal fans think. If you disagree that is completely fine and thats almost what is so great about blogs. You must understand that not everyone is as patient as you, some people who tend to get alot more of there predictions right than you want to see some action. We have been lied to before about summer activity

  71. Ok over reaction perhaps. what possible gain could come from waiting until august to settle our business? I can think of lots of ways it hurts us. It does not make any sense.

    Heh I guess arsene loves frustrating doomers as much as the rest of you.

  72. Jabba… Lied???!!

    Please don’t tell me your one of the “I feel let down by the club supporters!”

    Only a twat of a manager will show his cards in the transfer market, surely you must realize by now that our manager is a very clever buyer in the markets….

  73. Bill

    Many clubs will prefer to hold onto their players for as long as possible and get a bigger fee. Maybe start a bidding war through getting as much speculation going as possible. Its not that easy to get a quality player signed so soon in the transfer window when the other clubs know the likes of Citeh and Chelski could step in with a bigger fee.

  74. LAn and Muppet – can’t hack Twitter! Todays news is that apparently there have been bids from two clubs – Arsenal and Inter, both offering about the same amount of money.

  75. Miami Arsenal

    Mass hysteria is right, but, I also feel for fans at the moment who have watch Arsenal over the past 6 years. Yes, there has been some neat football but likewise there has also been some failure in the end product. I think in one sense Arsenal have done extremely well to manage the demands of the new development whilst staying committed to fielding strong teams. I am not arguing that Arsene is inept or such thing, but fans can feel restless with continued 4th place finishes, 3rd a couple of times. The season(s) past is/are a reflection of the fact Arsenal seem not to have pushed on as much as many may have hoped. We all know the press create stories to sell papers, there may be truth in some articles but we can never know given the track record of the hacks. What I think most fans can agree on is that the microscope Arsenal are under every season as Arsene remains tight lipped, can be harsh.

    We all I hope recognise the efforts the board have made in keeping Arsenal a great and sound business model. That said, we also watch those clubs around us spending crazy sums on sometimes excellent, sometimes average quality players. United have shown us that crippling debt has not eroded their desire to spend, to compete. What’s more the earnest hope I had that United, City, Chelsea would fall foul of FFP or indeed at least be curtailed by it seem specualtive at best.

    Sorry, I’m a tired, frustrated Gunner this morning… maybe the articles are nonsense, maybe they have some element of truth… I don’t know, but I would prefer quiet on the player front rather than continued articles of impending doom.

    Clichy, would be a loss, as would Cesc and Nasir.

    I love my Arsenal, but the two things that make me feel the most sick, a 1 goal lead and the off season.

  76. Miami Arsenal

    I just had a thought, 7 mill for Clichy, 20 Nasir and 35 for Cesc… that is another 25% of our total debt.

  77. I think people are overstating the importance of this settling in period.

    Some of our very best players took months to bed in, so a couple of weeks are hardly likely to make a world of difference. Remember as well that the early sessions are fitness-oriented, and that’s the main purpose of the first friendlies as well.

    The quality of opposition in those games is so low that they I imagine the players and staff can learn very little from them when it comes to tactics etc. The XI’s we field are also a bit of a mishmash because of the amount of players we take on these tours.

    I’d bet that things only start to take shape later on when the squad is pared down and the opposition gets tougher. That’s when I imagine the training is more tactics-oriented and the first team players start to really link up.

    I’d suggest that if you start a new player in an early big game there’ll be just as many surprises if he’s been at the club for two weeks or ten.

  78. Jabba's delights

    Chrisgoona

    No i dont feel let down by the club and lied was the wrong word to use.

    I was under the impression we were going to sign better quality than we did last summer, and so was cesc fabregas. As it was if you look at the work that was done last summer it really wasnt very good. Chamack is decent and an excellent third choice striker (utd berbatov, chels anelka) but why did we wait so long to get him, was he the best we could have got? Squilaci couldnt adapt to the league and was a squad player at seville. Koscielnly took time to adapt has shown glimpses of incredible quality but also made some fatel mistakes. That was 12m pounds spent last summer for a team who finnished third 11 points off top. Arsene tells us its hard to improve what we have, and to a degree i agree with him but the club could have done a much better job than it did.

  79. Jabba's delights

    oou

    But what about lifting the morale of a squad that had reached rock bottom at the end of last year. Do you think a new quality signing would have a good effect on them next week.

    As it is its the same squad only with 4-5 players all wanting to leave, it cant be great for them.

    Whilst its not imperative to sign players early its definetly an advantage, there is no negatives to it, whilst there are to signing later.

  80. LimparAssist

    Excellent, OOU. Inter or Arsenal is a no-brainer. Providing he doesn’t spend too much time chatting to some of our fans on twitter. *ohgodpleasedon’tfuckthisuptwitterpeople!*

  81. Miami Arsenal

    FD, whether we all like it or not… Arsene just does not do early business

  82. “Jabba’s delights | July 1, 2011 at 11:43 am”
    Those youngsters are the same age as Fab when he got his chance at Arsenal. In fact Wilshere is probably ahead in his development at the same age! Rambo will be back to his best and Lansbury will be better than either Gerrard or Lampard!

  83. Jabba's delights

    Kenyan

    I love your positivity and iagree with you on wilshere and Ramsey being of a smilar potential caliber to the Gas i rate them that highly. But the issue is they arent yet of his ability as of the last few seasons where he has been one of the best playmakers in world football. Until they are ready to do that we wont be as good. If Wilshere adds goals to his game and improves his right foot this year he will nearlly be ready.

    The prem season is unforgiving we cant have a bedding in period. Cesc is wonderful and there are no positives to losing such a player.

  84. Jabba’s delights

    Chamakh was fantastic and saved us early on in the season. We needed a striker to replace Eduardo and get the goals when Van Persie is absent. Wenger delivered that striker.

    We needed a GK, up steps Szeznhy, a great prospect who I am pretty confident in starting in all 38 premiership games. Then there’s Fabianksi a guy whose career was thrown out with the trash before the season even started.

    CM? If we bought one we would have prevented the development of one of Englands fines, then we wave Wales’ finest coming up this season too. We are breading local stars, homegrown players, players who will play with drive, commitment and love for the club. You can’t buy that mate, and the club has been working very hard to address the issues.

    Chill out and enjoy the footy, I am sure we will see further improvements this season, and I am sure Wenger will bring a few players of quality too.

  85. Jabba’s delights, of course there are no benefits in losing Fab. But he might go. That’s the reason I’d rather have Nasri run down his contract than sell him. I wouldn’t want to lose both at the same time!

  86. LimparAssist

    Great post, Chris.

  87. For some reason I have the song “Que Sera Sera” in my head. I think it seems kind of relevant

  88. Jabba’s delights

    “The prem season is unforgiving we cant have a bedding in period.”

    All the greats had to BED in. Cesc, Henry, Vieira, Pires… etc etc.. Like it or not, that is the only way to groom a fantastic team. If you want instant success we can always start splashing the cash like CIty, but we will end up with a bunch of cunts on our side. I kind of like the way we go about our business in all honest. I don’t think I could support mediocre players on extreme wages. Barry? No thanks.

  89. Jabba's delights

    Chrisgoona

    We didnt need a stiker who was good for half a season, we needed a striker who was great for a whole year. Look at our rivals striking options. We lost 5 games before xmas when chamck was leading the line.

    Development is fine and i agree but at the end of the day we finished with significantly less points than we did the year before.

    Like i said earlier im confident wenger will do whats needed. If we lose clichy bendtner and Nasri we need a cb, lb, 2 wingers and a striker.

  90. Here is the gorgeous Dogface’s analysis of some of the same trolls that they get on the Untold blog:

    “I uploaded all the comments into a database and ran through a statistical language parser – there were 7 accounts with a 98% probability of coming from the same source.
    The most telling account this troll was using was ‘Agent Smurf’ – a self professed ‘Tottenham Fan’.
    I’ll leave you with that thought…”

  91. I don’t really want to be supporting Nasri for a season for him to run down his contract and get his big pay day. I’d rather we get rid from now. He is a class act, but he hasn’t been one we can rely on really. Van Persie, Arshavin and Theo turned up on more occasions in terms of goals and assists when shit hit the fan.

    My hunch is that he will sign by next week 🙂

  92. In every interview of Clichy’s I’ve seen he’s come across as a modest hard-working player. For an attacking left-back to go to a team who will be playing the dullest football in England and Europe next season would be a level of selling out I don’t see him capable of.

  93. Jabba’s delights

    Who would you have purchased then…?? Please enlighten everyone to this great striker who would have sat on the bench but performed throughout the season. When I last checked we had the best in the business.

  94. george rodger

    Oh God ,I found myself agreeing with some of Jabba’s early posts.Still a broken clock and all that.

    I tweeted John Cross the other day when he said this

    “Good to be back after my hols. So, what have I missed…? Things beginning to hot up now and got my first game of season on Thurs”

    I said

    “you have missed people making up stories about Arsenal players leaving.No need to join in”.

    He replied

    “Thanks for the welcome back from my hols. I did the Cesc element, my colleague Nasri. Look forward to ATVO!”

    He tell me he is very pro Wenger.I have my doubts

  95. finsbury, I assumed that those little avatars on this site are allocated based on the user’s IP address? If not they should be. That would weed out the WUMs. Wouldn’t call them trolls. There is an art to true trolling. WUMing is easy.

  96. Jabba's delights

    Chrisgoona

    Who is talking about instant success, we havent won anything for 6 years!

    I’m not calling for us to buy average players on huge wages either. I’m calling for us to do all we possibly can within our model to put us in a position to challenge, i dont think thats been done over the last 3 years. I think we will get it done this summer as our manager has realised something that he hadnt in previous years.

    If we arent getting to around 80-85 point mark next season i will view our premiere league campaign a failure as thats what a team in the mix for the title will be on.

  97. george rodger

    Markus,what is a WUM?

  98. Jabba's delights

    Chrisgoona

    Why just to sit on the bench? Why are we so rigid.

    Utd changed there formation this year when Hernandez came into the team. Why couldnt we change slightly to play weaker teams at home and play 2 up front. We struggle to break them down why keep doing the same thing?

    This is one of my main issues with Arsene he doesnt adapt quick enough or to the opposition. Cesc said Arsenal spend zero time analyzing what the opposition might do.

    I’m not one of our incredibly well paid scouts but at a guess how about Hernandez as a great striking option on our sort of budget????

  99. george rodger

    Jabba’s delights | July 1, 2011 at 2:54 pm
    I’m calling for us to do all we possibly can within our model to put us in a position to challenge, i dont think thats been done over the last 3 years.

    Here we have the basic problem ,Some of us think it has been done.None of us are happy about the end result .Yet it is still possible to be happy with the Manager,and the team.I know I am,I get immense pleasure from this team and winning would be a nice bonus rather than a prerequisite for my support.

  100. george rodger

    Was anyone suggesting Hernandez before he was established?
    Who,Jabba ,would you have taken at the beginning of last season,Hernandez or Chamakh?
    If you say the Mexican I call you a liar.

  101. It just feels like the club has become addicted to doing business in a highly specific way. I understand why it happened when we first took on the stadium debt but everything we read and heard said that his summer would be different. Even most of the most positive regulars on this blog thought it would be different. With a rare exception we all thought the club needed sime changes this summer If we are really going ro get Cahill what’s the use if waiting? There is no possible gain and if Bolton pulls out there will not be time to find someone. How often have we seen the same thing. Call me a doomer or a wind up troll all you want but there seems to be no logic to some of the things we do

  102. Jabba

    Its your opinion if you believe nothing has been done. It is a bit naive to believe the papers and believe Arsene hasn’t done all he could to help us win a trophy. Like george rodger, I take immense pleasure from watching this team too. It is a huge shame we didn’t push on and get the trophy we deserved, but that is football. We just have to go again next season. If you have lost faith that is your loss mate. We have an incredible group of players, many of which I wouldn’t swap.

  103. “Who,Jabba ,would you have taken at the beginning of last season,Hernandez or Chamakh?”

    Great point george.. I cant see where your going with this argument Jabba. You can’t in any shape or form prove that Arsenal haven’t tried to win competitions

  104. I am off for the day, Ill try come back on later to respond. Keep an ear open for the Nasri contract renewal! 😉

  105. george rodger

    Bill,The logic is that through negotiations the club may save millions of pounds.
    Now as its not your money,or mine,you don’t care .But there are well payed employees of the club who’s job it is to spent as litte as possible on any deals made.

  106. Markus @2:51,

    I agree re WUMs.
    Dogface used a language filter, I think. Like some of the more cultured ACLFers who can spot the same old writers when they are using a different IP.

  107. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,we’ve turned into a bank.

  108. Jabba's delights

    ChrisGoona/ George

    I’m saying we havent done all we can in the transfer market to put us in a position to win competitions.

    Chamck, squilaci and Kosicellny is the sum of everything we can do in a summer when we finished 11 points off top the year before we are in more trouble than i thought.

    Chamack has scored 80% of his goals from headers in the french league. We have no great crossers and no consistent dead ball specialist. He has also never scored more than 16 goals in a season and has well under a 1 in 3 goal scoring ratio over the course of his career. Does it take a genius to think that he would score as many in a team that hates corssing and in a league with more robust defenders. He scored 1 in 4 for us!!!!

    Its not my job to scout players but i would suggest that Utd who bought hernadez for 7m before the world cup got a pretty good bonus as he was oustanding at the world cup. He then went on to have an incredible first year getting stronger and more deadly at the business end.

  109. george rodger

    will someone please tell me what a WUM is?

  110. George, sorry WUM = Wind-Up Merchant.

    A genus of troll, but devoid of all class and skill.

  111. c’mon you good share prices……………

  112. This Clichy, Nasri, Cesc, affairis boring. Anyone willing to talk about something else? Here, I’ll give it a shot…

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/9471db52-97bb-11e0-9c37-00144feab49a.html#ixzz1QrLZQ3v4
    In 2003, Real Madrid sold Claude Makélélé to Chelsea for £17m. It seemed a big fee for an unobtrusive 30-year-old defensive midfielder. “We will not miss Makélélé,” said Madrid’s president Florentino Pérez. “His technique is average, he lacks the speed and skill to take the ball past opponents, and 90 per cent of his distribution either goes backwards or sideways. He wasn’t a header of the ball and he rarely passed the ball more than three metres. Younger players will cause Makélélé to be forgotten.”

    Pérez’s critique wasn’t totally wrong, and yet Madrid had made a terrible error. Makélélé would have five excellent years at Chelsea. There’s now even a position in football named after him: the “Makélélé role”. If only Real had studied the numbers, they might have spotted what made him unique. Forde explained: “Most players are very active when they’re aimed towards the opposition’s goal, in terms of high-intensity activity. Few players are strong going the other way. If you look at Claude, 84 per cent of the time he did high-intensity work, it was when the opposition had the ball, which was twice as much as anyone else on the team.”

    The last sentence there caught my eyes. Many have pointed out we tend to be quite vulnerable when transitioning from attack to defence. To often we lose the ball in midfield and before you know it we’re facing an attempt on goal from our opponents. Our current midfielders don’t seem quick enough (in mind and body) to get the ball back when we lose it. More frequently than we’d like, this leads to goals conceded from open play, or we make a silly foul and concede from the ensuing set piece.

    Would we suffer less from this problem if we had a Makelele type of player as described in the quote above? Someone who’s relishes the prospect of breaking up play and only kicks into gear when we lose the ball. Would Fabregas be more effective if he didn’t have to worry about defending? Might our lack of penetration in the final third have something to do with the fear of losing the ball and suffering a counterattack?

    Song is our main defensive midfielder and while he has his positives, he is not particularly suited to the Makalele role because but he lacks that sudden burst of speed, or acceleration needed for that role (think Diarra, Flamini, Mascherano or Makelele himself) have. From what I remember, Frimpong and Coquelin have it, along with bundles of aggression, but it remains to be seen if they have the positioning sense and guile which are equally important.

    Busquet doesn’t seem that quick to me either but Barca believes more on the shared responsibility approach, just like Wenger. The difference is they do it much better than we do and they don’t lose possession as often as us.

    Theoretically the group pressing approach looks to be the better system but for whatever reason we haven’t been very successful and consistent at it. I remember we pressed quite effectively at the start of the 2009/2010 season but for some reason we couldn’t keep it up for the rest of the season. Our ability to press comes and goes with our confidence, it seems.

    So guys, should we try to perfect the group pressing system, or should we strive to sign/develop our own Makelele, or maybe some combination of both?

  113. Haha George I was agreeing with Jabba as well! Until he said this one…
    “Arsene tells us its hard to improve what we have, and to a degree i agree with him but the club could have done a much better job than it did.

    So you agree that it is hard to improve on what we have, yet you slate the club for not buying players. LOL splash that cash Arsene!!!

  114. Henristic- I would have to say a combination of team pressing and “midfield destroyer” would be great. For me Alex Song is a great DM. He sweeps across the pitch tracking one of the oppositions more creative types. For example he kept Shrekface real quiet in the last match against the Mancs. Also good call on putting an end to this transfer rubbish!

  115. William,
    Alex Song has looked good in our current system, which one could argue is already a combination of DM and group pressing. But our current system isn’t working that well (or maybe it is working well, and its the mental collapse thing that buggered up everything?).

  116. Jabba's delights

    William

    Where is the slating of the club.

    Let me ask you a question.

    We finished 11 points off top 2009-10. Do you think spending 12m in total on Chamack, Squilaci and Kosciellny is doing all you can to improve?

    Bare in mind we finished with 7 fewer points the next year scored 10 less goals and conceded 2 more.

  117. george rodger

    Jabba.Fuck me ,I never knew that.
    You should have mentioned it before 🙂

  118. george rodger

    Henristic ,Good effort matre.
    Is Denilson not a bit like the player you suggest?

  119. Is it the amount of money spent which is the issue or the quantity or quality or the players we’ve brought in?

  120. Finsbury @3.22

    I left the post you referred to quite deliberately – it wasn’t even a good language filter and quite amusing.

    YW

  121. Jabba's delights

    George

    No because he isnt explosive when the opposition get the ball. And he is much better in possession than claude

  122. Jabba give it up mate,,, most of us on here get it, and agree with you. But you will not convince the dumb and the ignorant no matter how much bleating you do.. The club seems to be falling into dictatorship and all one has to do is look around the world to see what happens to dictatorships. I pray Wenger gets it right this year and addresses the glaringly obvious problems we have had the last 5 seasons. It is obvious they will not fix themselves nor go away on their own. Here’s hoping.

  123. Jabba's delights

    Gadget

    The quality of the players bought. Sometimes but not in all cases the better the player the higher the price.

    The results and there respective perfromances suggests they werent the solution and we needed to do more to bridge that gap.

  124. George,
    Denilson? Not so sure he fits the bill for a PL DM either. He’s got the positional sense for sure, but would be lacking in speed and aggression I feel.

    Denilson will fit the group pressing system more. He’s very good at cutting out angles and intercepting etc. However, there must be a reason why he dropped so low in the pecking order this last season.

  125. george rodger

    Gunnerjones | July 1, 2011 at 3:55 pm
    Jabba give it up mate,,, most of us on here get it, and agree with you

    Most of us on here do most certainly not agree with Jabba,
    Can you read?

  126. Henristic great post. I too noticed the constant pressuring of the ball at the beginning of the 09/10 season and also the drop off in that strategy as the season progressed. The first half against barcelona at the emirates that year was a masterclass in pressing the ball and what that can mean in terms of benefits for possession.

    I have high hopes for frimpong, but that’s based only on his pre-season performances from last year. seemed a real bulldog in the middle of the field, one who relishes the defensive work instead of just tolerating it.

    great, great subject though. don’t look now arsenal blogosphere but there’s some actual football discussions going on!!

  127. george rodger

    H.Are you saying that Claude was quicker over the ground than Denilson?
    I dont remember that.
    But I will accept it if you say so

  128. Jabba's delights

    George

    Didnt fancy debating my point mate, to hard for you to come up with some spin to say that arsenal couldnt have done anymore to improve that summer? William……anything? thought not.

    Thats the issue George, you shut your eyes suck your thumb and start whilsting when someone presents a fact based argument that makes your point look silly.

  129. Jabba's delights

    George

    Not sure never measured them, but he was light years better than him a breaking down oppostion attacks so he had something good going for him.

  130. George,
    It’s hard to say for sure, but Claude was certainly more aggressive in the tackle and would win most 50:50s. One gets the feeling denilson tries to avoid physical confrontation and would rather ride a challenge or ‘allow’ himself to be fouled.
    But lets not make this about Deni, shall we? You know how touchy that subject is for some people

  131. george rodger

    Jabba, My point was you are stating the same things again .They have been debated to death,
    All you do is state some random facts .Next you will tell us, 43 goals against(or whatever it was )
    Why keep boring us with the same post over and over.?

  132. george rodger

    And for the record ,yes we could have done more ,But that would have meant a different spending policy,and I am happy with our efforts.
    You are not .And I get it .I really do.

  133. Henristic, I don’t think our team neccesarily need someone in the Makélélé role. It’s a bit negative for our approach. Song eneded up playing the role towards the second half of our season. Rarely got forward and despite keeping Rooney and others at bay didn’t influence our attack much. I think we suffered as a consequence. In big matches maybe it’s worth sacrificing his attacking contribution but I think two all-round all-action central midfielders is what our system needs.

    I love Wilshere but his desire to always get involved in the attack meant that Song, being more responsible, always had to cover. It should be more balanced. If you have the same midfielder charging forward it’s predictable for one, and also it doesn’t always suit the run of play. Those two have been developing their play together so they’ll work it out.

  134. I don’t agree with Jabba’s delight

  135. george rodger

    No shit Frank? 🙂

  136. did someone say it is hard to find better than we have, how about the eleven barca players, but we cant have everything can we lol

  137. Jabba's delights

    George

    two snippets from you and William here disagreeing with my first post on the subject. Hence the reason why i feel i had to explain myself and show that all was not done to improve. If you agree with a post as you just said you did you should say so rather than say the person was wrong as that might bring them into an uneccesary debate.

    Haha George I was agreeing with Jabba as well! Until he said this one…
    “Arsene tells us its hard to improve what we have, and to a degree i agree with him but the club could have done a much better job than it did.

    Jabba’s delights | July 1, 2011 at 2:54 pm
    I’m calling for us to do all we possibly can within our model to put us in a position to challenge, i dont think thats been done over the last 3 years.

    Here we have the basic problem ,Some of us think it has been done”

  138. george rodger

    Jabba ,are you going to answer this or what?

    Who,Jabba ,would you have taken at the beginning of last season,Hernandez or Chamakh?

  139. george rodger

    Yes Jabba .I am consistent ,I said that your “more” would mean a change in spending .So I dont agree with you .
    Do I ?

  140. i cant wait for the new season, need to see more signings, if nothing changes , nothing changes, we want changes, we want changes

  141. Jabba's delights

    George

    Me perosnally i would have had Chamack, as i thought our team would adapt better to having such an aerial threat, as it was they didnt.

    I t goes back to my point i thought a top class striker was a neccesity last summer, look at our major rivals. If that meant spending some of the 40m we had from adebayor and toure then so be it.

    I still think we need another top class striker at the club as i mentioned i think Chamack is a wonderful 3rd option.

  142. LimparAssist

    “The logic is that through negotiations the club may save millions of pounds.”

    Seems to have sent Bill Oddie scurrying back up his tree. Thanks, George.

  143. Jabba's delights

    Limpar

    It can also cost you millions of pounds if you dont then get the player you needed to improve your teams performance.

  144. Markus | July 1, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    “Henristic, I don’t think our team neccesarily need someone in the Makélélé role. It’s a bit negative for our approach. Song eneded up playing the role towards the second half of our season. Rarely got forward and despite keeping Rooney and others at bay didn’t influence our attack much. I think we suffered as a consequence. In big matches maybe it’s worth sacrificing his attacking contribution but I think two all-round all-action central midfielders is what our system needs.”

    You really think we didn’t score enough in the later past of the season because Song didn’t venture forward as much? Or is it that our creative players just weren’t as effective?

  145. Nasir Jones-Nasri

    Doesn’t surprise me one bit, Finsbury. That’s the oldest trick in the book. I think sandbagging is the proper term. A common weapon in dirty political Internet warfare. We’ve got our fair share here also as LimparAssist pointed out earlier. We’ve got a war on our hands here fellow Gunners. And have had for sometime. There are obviously outside forces at work here with a massive interest in seeing our club fail. It’s sad that the media is manipulating our own dimwitted supporters into thinking we are in some downward spiral, when in all actuality we are the model for sustainable success at the highest level. Pearls before swine hits the nail right on the head for me.

  146. It appears the problem doesn’t seem to be finding players who could improve the squad, since we seem to be interested in, make enquiries about nad put bids in on many players (alledgedly). it doesn’t even seem to be be finding players that could improve us that we can afford,since often these players appear to be in our price range. The problem seems to be finding players we can get for AW’s valuation. I don’t think there is anything wrong in this per see, but it annoys me that AW never states that this is why players don’t come, it is always a much vaguer “not able to find the right players”.

  147. Gainsbourg69

    Delia: “With no Federer in the semis at Wimbledon, I’m looking to Arsene to announce some signings ( of quality ) to cheer me up.”

    Saw his post game interview and he was a bit twattish. Love the guy but he should’ve been more graceful and given Tsonga some praise.

  148. Henristic, it was both, as well as the fact that we just went flat and didn’t mix it up as much. We became predictable and the dynamic of our central midfielders didn’t help that. That’s why I’m saying we need balance from that partnership. Each one taking turns.

  149. Also don’t you think there is something in the argument that having a DM could actually free up the more creative midfielders to create more?

  150. Wishere was supposed to be more attacking than Song but in the end he didn’t contribute meaningfully in terms of goals and assists. So we paid a price for his development in some sense, because I’d expect Denilson or Diaby to have scored or assisted more if they played as many games as Wilshere

  151. Henristic

    Thanks for changing the subject. Best team we have had in the last 6 years was the first 26 games of 07/08 Flamini was certainly closer to Claude then any other player we have had in the last decade. Since the 433 we have placed a huge premium on passing abiliy and technical skill at every position at the expense of our defensive nous. I think we could easily sacrifice a little technical skill in our attack if we could bring in a player or 2 like makelele or Flamini. Our attack and our defense were the best we have seen since the invincibles with flamini at DM

  152. Apart from Wilshere, one can’t help but be disappointed by Arshavin, Theo, Nasri, and Fabregas. These guys have the ability to open defences up much more than they showed in the last third of the season.

  153. george rodger

    Whay apart from Wilshere?
    If you look at his goals and assists he should be the one to be dropped
    Diaby,fit that is,is the answer for the balance of the team

  154. George,
    I had mentioned wilshere already in my last post, Was there a need to repeat myself?

  155. Gainsbourg69

    Carib: “During the whole season, the pairing of squillaci with either djouru or kos did not workout. Kos and Djouru were better together and both of them are not world class yet, and if Squillaci is behind a defender who is not world class, then he is not for arsenal. Yes he was a class defender in his time, but either he is out of form or lost his touch. With samba or cahill arriving and Jenkinson already here, we dont need him to be the 4th. The back 4always looked like they suffered with jitters when he played.”

    How can I put this delicately? Umm, you’re full of shit. Squillaci and Djourou were a better pairing than Djourou and Koscielny. When Squillaci and Djourou played they allowed less shots on goals per minutes played than Kos, Djourou. The stats are out there, find them. I think a guy name DesiGunner or Gooner did a great break down of this around April.

    Cahill and Samba are shit. Their teams finished very low in the table and their teams conceded way more goals than we did. If you want a big lump with proper defending skills look no furhter than Hangeland. Fulham conceded as many goals as we did and finished eighth. Here’s a break down of clean sheets:

    Fulham: 14

    Bolton: 5

    Blackburn: 8

    A breakdown of goals conceded:

    Fulham: 43

    Bolton: 55

    Blackburn: 59

    And if you think Fulham did better defensively because they parked the bus, think again. Here’s a breakdown of goals scored by these three teams:

    Fulham: 49

    Bolton: 53

    Blackburn: 46

    Samba and Cahill can stay in their shitty clubs because they’re shit.

  156. george rodger

    How many times did Jack open up defenses in the last third of the season?
    Not that I don’t like him ,but come on,!!!

  157. george rodger

    Henristic | July 1, 2011 at 5:41 pm
    George,
    I had mentioned wilshere already in my last post, Was there a need to repeat myself?

    Well why say “Apart from Willshere ” then?

  158. Wilshere played way too many games this last season imo, and should have been replaced by Deni in many of those games. That Wenger didn’t do that shows how little trust he had in Denilson. it just makes me wonder why he wasn’t loaned out already in the January window. it surely can’t help his transfer value to be seated on the bench for nearly a third of a season.

    Its clear that Wenger still rates Diaby though, so I’m sure Wilshere would have played less if Abou was fit.
    Now that we have Ramsey, and probably Frimpong back in the mix, we might get a better rotation in midfield. There’s Lansbury and Coquelin to consider as well. I hope Arsene uses our fringe players more them this time around.

  159. george rodger

    “Samba and Cahill can stay in their shitty clubs because they’re shit”

    I really hope that does not come back and bit you on the bum G69.You will find it hard to call them shit if we sign one of them,no?
    (Dont tell anyone but I agree with you,I just wont say so for fear of an eggy face)

  160. Gainsbourg69

    Bill: “The club seems be hellbent on frustrating it supporters and players and doing things the same way just because that’s the way we operate. if there was some logic and real benefit to the club I could understand.”

    No, Bill. Just because you and every other wanker wants new signings doesn’t mean the club is hellbent on frustrating its supporters and players. Being, perhaps, the most uninformed supporter in the history of football means that you’ll be frustrated by many things you don’t understand. Get used to it.

  161. george rodger

    So Arshavin played in more games than Jack and he was disappointing?
    Cesc was injured so he was disappointing?

    Mmmmm,ok

    PS.I believe Andrei should only play 30 ish games ber season

  162. What are you on about now George? calm down and read my posts properly

  163. Always fun to read Yogi’s post with my morning coffee. Thanks man.

  164. Gainsbourg69

    Trust me, George, it will not bite me on the bum. The only reason why Cahill and Samba are even linked with us, ghastly as it is, is because of an interview Wenger gave to Lizarazu on his radio show. Lizarazu brought up the doomer talking point about conceding from set pieces and asked Arsene if he was looking to remedy that by buying a big lump with EPL experience. Wenger, followed along and said yes. Now, mind, this was right after the season was over. Do you think Wenger would reveal his buying strategy to some fucking idiot on a radio program? I don’t think so. Wenger is media saavy, which is way more than I can say for the idiots who believe shit players like Samba and Cahill would ever come near our squad.

  165. Gainsbourg69

    Jabba Jibby: “Bill just puts forward what alot of arsenal fans think. If you disagree that is completely fine and thats almost what is so great about blogs. You must understand that not everyone is as patient as you, some people who tend to get alot more of there predictions right than you want to see some action. We have been lied to before about summer activity.”

    I almost shit myself laughing when I read this. You really are a clueless moron, aren’t you?

  166. G69,
    Other than the fact that these guys are part of defences that concede 50+ goals, do you have specific reasons why you think they are shit and Hangeland is not? e.g. pace, technique, passing ability, tackling, etc.

  167. george rodger

    grrrrrrrrrrrr

  168. Henristic, I’m just not convinced that a dedicated DM is what we need.

    Here are some interesting quotes taken after our defeat of Chelsea:

    “The teams close us down so much high up because they know we play through the middle,” said the manager. “I push my midfielders a bit up at the start to give us more room to build up the game. When you come to the ball we are always under pressure, so Song is a bit naturally high up because I want him high up. I am comfortable with that sometimes it leaves us open in the middle of the park. We want to play in the other half of the pitch and, therefore, we have to push our opponents back. But my philosophy is not to be in trouble, but to fool the opponent into trouble.”

    “We were concentrating on the defensive of the game today. Everyone pressed. It was so good to see,” Walcott told Sky Sports. ”Not just the starters, but the players who came on as well. They pressed and we didn’t give Chelsea space at all. We did that throughout the 90 minutes. I think everything went well for us. We made Chelsea look average at times. We played some great football and not just the pressing. It was fantastic to see.”

    We lost a lot of what they are both talking about for one reason or another towards the end of our season.

  169. Gainsbourg69

    Henristic: “The last sentence there caught my eyes. Many have pointed out we tend to be quite vulnerable when transitioning from attack to defence. To often we lose the ball in midfield and before you know it we’re facing an attempt on goal from our opponents. Our current midfielders don’t seem quick enough (in mind and body) to get the ball back when we lose it. More frequently than we’d like, this leads to goals conceded from open play, or we make a silly foul and concede from the ensuing set piece.”

    Claude Makelele is one of my all time favorite players but his role is from a bygone era. Barcelona proves that one doesn’t need a Makelele-type to destroy play in order to get the ball back. One can’t really argue with their ball recovery, really. I mean, they bought Mascherano, the player most like Makelele in recent times, and they played him at the back. Pressing and possession will always be the most effective means to keep the ball away from your opponents. Arrigo Sacchi did this to great effect with Milan in the eighties and nineties. They didn’t have a destroyer. What they did have, however, was a manic pressing style. Even before that, Rinus Michels taught his Dutch and Catalan players this. Makelele was a one off whose ability to harrass other players made him unique. He could free his fellow midfielders from having to do anything defensively. However, I doubt if he would be as effective today as he was when he was playing for Madrid. I can guarantee you that he wouldn’t be able to stop Messi, Iniesta and Xavi all by himself. Mourinho learned this lesson the hardway when he played Diarra against them in the CL. He gave up a more offensive or hybrid midfielder for an exclusively defensive one and he got his ass handed to them by Barca on more than one occasion this season.

  170. Also I agree with Gainsbourg69 regarding Cahill and Samba. Wouldn’t go as far as to say they’re shit, but not Arsenal quality.

    If they did arrive they’d be 5th choice.

    That’s right I said it and now I’m away home so stop your bitching.

  171. Gainsbourg69

    Henristic: “Other than the fact that these guys are part of defences that concede 50+ goals, do you have specific reasons why you think they are shit and Hangeland is not? e.g. pace, technique, passing ability, tackling, etc.”

    Samba is slow and not to quick reading the game. His distribution is also horrible. And for all this talk about his height he’s not really that good in the air. Ditto for Cahill. He is just not a good defender any way you look at it. He’s better on the ball than Samba but he is not very mobile and his defensive positioning is very naive. Hangeland on the other hand is good in the air, quick, defensively aware, he knows how to read the game, and his distribution is miles better than these two.

  172. Twitter is the biggest bullshit enabler in history

  173. Gainsbourg69

    Bill: “Thanks for changing the subject. Best team we have had in the last 6 years was the first 26 games of 07/08 Flamini was certainly closer to Claude then any other player we have had in the last decade. Since the 433 we have placed a huge premium on passing abiliy and technical skill at every position at the expense of our defensive nous. I think we could easily sacrifice a little technical skill in our attack if we could bring in a player or 2 like makelele or Flamini. Our attack and our defense were the best we have seen since the invincibles with flamini at DM.”

    Flamini was in a team that could afford to have a player who wasn’t necessarily good offensively. If you recall we were playing with three play makers on the pitch at that time. Besides, times have changed and a pure destroyer is going the way of the dinosaurs. Milan sitting Flamini on the bench and opting for a more creative midfield proves this. Their best season in ages and Flamini was sat on the nech in favor of one Kevin Prince Boateng. A player more like Yaya Toure than Claude Makelele. Fuck, you really have no knowledge of football, at all.

  174. Miami Arsenal

    damn, England have drawn adn beaten the no. 23 and 24 teams in the world now for the Woman’s World Cup… The japanese are going murder England. When they become so bad?

  175. Dos gervinoh have a wig? his hair looks mad, and his forehead big, However aslong as he uses it to score all is well 🙂

  176. Well, a very interesting discussion as usual! Can’t wait till the transfer period has finished and all this bullshit. and the season begins. Then we can have sensible discussions and analysis about the teams performances, wins and loses.

    Roll on 13th August…………. No matter who we sell, who we buy, I have unconditional love for Arsenal.. win or lose, middle of the table or champions, unconditional love.

  177. I wonder if Bendtner will have a knock of confidence now that no team has come in to sign him??????

  178. fukin el Miami you must be starved of football if you av resorted to watching the girly world cup.

  179. Feck off, dukegoonem. It was a good game and England won 2-1 after coming from behind.

  180. Yeah! women’s sports are terrible and should not be watched unless at any cost!! lol duke what are you on? A bit of what Andy Gray and Richard Keys like to drink?

  181. Ooh, look.
    Gervinho saying he has “chosen” Arsenal.

    http://www.arsenal.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=523905

  182. YW @3:54

    Thanks for keeping a very entertaining blog over the summer.

    Next doors granddaughters are in the garden next door playing football in the twilight. From my perspective right now, up above them somewhere, not too far away, looms the old West Stand.
    ‘What a goal’ is the cry that goes up.

  183. urgh. – 1 ‘next door’.

  184. G69.

    What ever you say.

  185. 1 loose cannon

    Women’s football well that is something I would not want to watch soon they will be grunting while kicking a ball just like women Tennis players. Not for me.

  186. Nice read.

    Just came to a city called Burgos in Spain. Is any of our fellow Gooners living/travelling/visiting the city? Would be nice to have someone to hang out.

  187. Yes indeedy.

    Flamini and Makelele were very similar.
    Why, I often saw Maklele play as a LB.

    And which of the two does Song most remind you of? Obviously all D**Mers, well, they just D**M, don’t they? A D**Mer who can also play as CB.
    Never seen one of those before:

  188. Cant recall an Arsenal team getting whupped by this acclaimed Barcelona team the way that Capello’s Milan destroyed Barcelona. Possibly one of the greatest D**M performances of all time by Desailly against Cruyff and Guardiola’s team? Nice goal too.

  189. you can launch an airplane off that forehead, but it will commin handy on headers. it is a comment hairstyle in africa.

  190. mirror has officially gone into overdrive.
    Nasri is quitting Arsenal on monday aparantley to join United.
    This boards towards harrasment now.

  191. Atlest England has a chance to win something in Womens footy. Arsenal women rule, so does england women. Mind you im sure Germany will crush them as usual… Germany or some south american team, maybe Brazil? England has unfortunatley never been very good in international footy country vs country.

  192. Bradys right foot

    Cesc is going and to be honest I’ll be glad, the whole Barca thing is grating, he’s a great player but time for a new start for him and the club. Clichy i’ll miss him, but you know what fair play to him he,s been scapegoated by a section of the supporters. The abuse he gets at the Emirates is a joke, this guy used to love the club and thats a fact. His industry and committment will be appreciated by the northern chavs not treated with contempt.

    Is Nasri still here? I’m torn on young Samir I don’t know if i’d rather drive him to the theatre of illusions or pay for his bus fare. Get rid and get as much for him as possible. Currently the team are weaker if/when these three leave but Nasris perceived contribution is less impressive in reality but he remains a player of great potential. Fabregas however is different gravy and along with RVP one of the few world class players in the EPL. Arsenal will move on and Gervinho who played on the right of a 433 for Lille will contribute more than Nasri did last year. Im intrigued by the possibility of going 442 a formation not suited to Fabregas but may suit our personnel in his absence.

    I’m slightly bewildered by the buzz surrounding Utd. The young keeper has got huge gloves to fill imo even if he has a “good” season VDS had has three incredible seasons in a row he look poor in comparison. Phil Jones wont be a regular first teamer for a few years and will Ashley Young be anymore effective that Nani the best player in the league last year or Valencia.

    I’ve no doubt Arsenal will bring a few in but unlike the omerta now back in vogue at Liverpool and respected by their fanbase, our silence is seen as a weakness. Get a grip the nonsense spouted about Arsenal is simply because outside of a select few at the club no one knows who we are actually after. Arsenal sells newspapers, infact any content analysis of any media in the UK over the last few years would show we are commented on nore than any other club. Why is that because we are the fecking Arsenal, chin up ladies were still in allk four competitions lol.

  193. G69,
    But how many times does one have to play against iniesta and messi? The current Barca is a one off freak show of a team and thank goodness we never have to play them more than a couple of times in any one season. That real madrid team would very likely walk the league in just about anyother league that doesn’t have barca in it.
    My point is when thinking about a system, we should worry more about how to deal with the likes of west brom and blackburn, not barca.
    Anyways, gotta run again. We can continue this disussion some other time.

  194. DukeG

    Had to laugh at your comment about watching the England woman’s team. You are completely wrong though. The woman’s team have far more ability than the England men at the moment. Look at the build up for their 1st goal (super header to).

    Maybe you should watch it more often before making any derogatory comment.

  195. More fun with the Tiny Totts

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13998365.stm

    Are they avin a laugh applying for public money?

  196. 1 loose cannon

    It is funny how Fabregas is sold and a done deal, Clichy is also a done deal and Nasri is on his way to old Traford, hold on i have just read some shit that suggest he is going to Chelsea. It is really funny the hacks basically run Arsenal. They decide who goes and who stays, as far as I know I have heard nothing from the players or the clubs concerned. Even if there is some truth in the rubbish they write, a done deal is when Wenger accept the bids and confirm it himself. As long as that doesn’t happen then the players are going nowhere regardless of how much they offer.

  197. And 1LC, summed up today pretty well. That is how one should approach everyday with regards to Arsenal.

  198. whoa, shush, it’s very quiet in here tonight!…. don’t spoil it… calm before the storm.

  199. Gainsbourg69

    Desailly was a beast. Alex Song reminds me a lot of him.

    Whatever is right, Bill. Maybe we should get a few Koeman types and we can start playing with a libero.

  200. Gainsbourg69

    Henristic: “But how many times does one have to play against iniesta and messi? The current Barca is a one off freak show of a team and thank goodness we never have to play them more than a couple of times in any one season. That real madrid team would very likely walk the league in just about anyother league that doesn’t have barca in it.
    My point is when thinking about a system, we should worry more about how to deal with the likes of west brom and blackburn, not barca.”

    Makelele was a one of a kind freak of nature too. He also played with this bald guy named Zianide or Zinade something who was a freak show as well.

    I think that a roving central midfielder like Alex Song suits us just fine against the likes of Blackburn and West Brom. He can dribble, has height and knows how to put the ball in the back of the net. He’s like Sergi Biscuits but stronger and less divey.

  201. Gainsbourg69

    Forgot to add, I’d love it if we played Barcelona every week. We’re the only ones that had their number this season.

  202. Bradys right foot

    Well put. The media has gone into overdrive, and yes its all Arsenal as always..!!.. It is an extreme love hate relationship we have going on. Most the shit spouted through the media has a really nasty spin which represents fans and pundits up and down the country who are pretty much envious of our fine club.

    At this point in time there is no evidence to…

    – Cesc leaving. Barca’s bid was rejected instantly, Cesc also commented on how happy he is at Arsenal and he won’t quit
    – Nasri leaving. the only comment came from the player who said “don’t listen to the media!”
    – While Clichy, by far the most worrying because of Clichy’s silence, Wenger recently stated he wanted to keep the guy however

    I know its hard to prevent all this negative PR, surely there must be some measures in place to stop it spiraling out of control as it has done? Seems a tough ask with the vast amount of Arsenal reporting wankers out there…

  203. G69,
    I reckon you’d say that but even on paper (where we’re supposed to win most of our games), barca are a better side than us. They showed it on the pitch too. However I take your point that we have as good a chance as anyone to beat them on our day. That isn’t saying much though.

    Makalele didnt need zidane to shine. He was equally as impressive for chelsea and they had lampard for chrissakes. He’s no freak either. I doubt he was better than Senna, Diarra, Mascherano etc.

    Song is a good player, but I wonder if frimpong and coq won’t end up more effective in that role because of their speed. You have to admit that all other things been equal, a faster midfielder is better than a slower one? And at this level of football, small margins like that might just make a difference.

    Of course speed would matter less if we were better and more consistent at group pressing and like I mentioned before that would be the more ideal solution.

  204. Gainsbourg69

    If you doubt he was no better than Senna or Mascherano then you didn’t watch too much of Makelele at Madrid or Chelsea for that matter.

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