Nasri & Cesc To Stay? That Is The Question, Do Arsenal Have The Answer?

Q: When is a self-sustaining business model not a self-sustaining business model?
A: When the business is football.

Welcome to the world of football, Mr Kroenke. Tonight’s Q&A with AST members is high on the Arsenal agenda – the words of the manic Norwegian commentator run through my head whenever I think of this session, “Stanley Kroenke, Stanley Kroenke, can you hear me? Your boys took one hell of a beating“.

Will anything good come from tonight? PR has never been Arsenal’s strong suit and it largely depends on the level of honesty displayed in the answers. Avoid prevarication or deception. It has the potential to be worthwhile. No matter how unpalatable that truth is, it is better than letting the media set the Arsenal agenda.

More importantly, we would like to know what is going on with Samir Nasri. An innuendo in yesterday’s Sunday Times that the player wants the side to built around him, some unsubstantiated rumours are emerging elsewhere that the cash is being flashed in Nasri’s direction. Unsubstantiated because there is no evidence to confirm or deny them.

Arsène has shared his view on the player’s future,

We will do everything to keep Nasri at the club. My wish is that he stays here.

Wait, that is probably the basis for The Heil story. Wenger went on,

If he looks back he can see that he’s come quite a long way with us, and I think there is still a bit to do. It’s the club that makes the player’s career

The manager is of course, whiter than white when he invokes the loyalty card. Never having broken a contract himself re employment yet it is naive to expect players feel the same. An affection for a club may grow but the money, the money is too much for them to refuse.

And winning. They want to win trophies but there is a blind spot in that concept, a failure to recognise the inconsistency of performance. It is this which Wenger alluded to in his comments but will Nasri recognise this? Is he self-aware enough to realise that in the second half of the season he underperformed?

Wenger was equally assertive over Cesc,

I will be pretty clear about this. For me, Fabregas is with Arsenal for a long time and he will stay with Arsenal. It sometimes happens that the rumour can make the transfer.

Someone needs to tell the Spanish media this, they believe Cesc to be staying in London to facilitate a move to Barcelona. Because that is the view of the The Mirror. Yikes, will anyone have the cojones to tell Rosell this or will they leave him happily wandering around the Camp Nou, humming, Happy Presidential Birthday to me and All I Want To Transfer Is A Cesc Fàbregas, A Cesc Fàbregas, A Cesc Fàbregas

Meanwhile, Gervinho in the first person is nowhere near as confident as the third. He promised to tell us his future the week before last, then it was last week. Now it seems realises that things are not going as he planned. No matter how appropriate Banarama’s Cruel Summer seemed, there were more positive soundtracks.

Does anyone know what Kenny Dalglish’s transfer policy is? If it moves put a bid in for it, if it is English make it a really big bid. Having tried to hijack Phil Jones move to Blackburn, he is now out to mar Arsène’s fun by signing Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain. Also not coming to Arsenal is Radamel Falcao, who to a backdrop of Porto fans blaring the Brand New Heavies’ Dream Come True out of the car radios, announced that he was staying at the club. But not for how long. So tomorrow, he might be leaving.

Back in the 70s there was a record label called Old Gold. Used to sell in 7″ singles shops such as Woolworths and WH Smiths, the hits of the 50s and 6os re-packaged. Basic covers in gold and brown, no photos, nothing. You could see what you were buying from the label. It was a variation on a theme.

Arsenal have tried that with Bolton. Gary Cahill is worth £17m and a season of Ignasi Miquel. How good is that? We’ll sign your best defender and to ease the pain, we’ll give you one of our most promising players. For a season. A novel solution to squad overcrowding.

Apparently our defending was so bad last season that Arsène is thinking of signing Scott Dann, Dann, the defensive man from Birmingham City. Yes, he made a lot of difference to their season? Yeah, Liverpool are in for him as well…

Unimpressed with that? Wait until you read about the signing of a 18 year old Swede…yeah, Liverpool are after him too…

’til Tomorrow.

Posted on June 13, 2011, in Arsenal, Football, Premier League, Premiership, Soccer, Transfer Gossip and tagged , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 151 Comments.

  1. Nasri. staying looking to stay has made my Monday morning. For me it’s not about bowing to player demands it’s about moving with the times.

    Nasri, wants the team built around him? Fine with me as he wants to stay and play for us unlike Cesc who was emotionally to forced to stay. Take good money for Cesc, and move into a new era.

    As for the board meetings….Bollocks to them all because we won’t be any clearer than what we knew 5 yrs ago and that’s f-all. We are fed a shit and kept in the dark.

    Skysources, claim that Arsenal have made huge profits for some time now so raising Nasri’s salary shouldn’t send us into administration should it?

  2. To be fair, Dann was out injured for most of last season, so you technically, you are correct, but in hinting that he is a poor player is a bit wide of the mark.

  3. Frank | June 13, 2011 at 8:45 am
    A lttle mean spirited of you, YW, and a trifle picky. Don’t you think? I would suggest that there is enough evidence in his two denials to conclude that any ‘unsourced’ quotes from RvP or any of our players has no veracity. Well done, Robin, for fighting back. It would be very useful if all players used there new found connections with supporters to do the same. Perhaps then we might get a modicum of decency creeping into the press and media to combat the crap reported on an hourly basis.

    There you go bandying about that mean spirited bullshit again. I have a feeling the the team’s collapses affect you more than anyone else and the only way you allow yourself to vent is by picking on whoever isn’t as blinkered as you are.
    You did something similar in previous seasons where after exits from the cups and title race, you started picking fights with everyone including even ACLF regulars (e.g. ZimPaul last season, if I remember correctly). You really are a very unpleasant person, aren’t you? Its like you think you’re the only true supporter or something?

    Funny that when faced with the idea that your ‘hero’ RvP said something less than complimentary about the team, your reaction is to deny and blame the media. When are you gonna realize its not against some supporter’s ‘creed’ to be critical of your club from time to time? There is nothing mean spirited about reasoned analysis.

    You really should take things easy or risk another meltdown.

  4. too right we have to do everything to keep Nasri. we cant keep rearing players to lose them as they hit their potential.

  5. george rodger

    I cant see the benefit of Samri replacing Cesc.
    Cesc has been open and honest.He want to go to Barca,no where else,he loves Arsenal and Arsene.Whereas Samri just seems to want more money or he might go anywhere.Even Man.U .FFS.
    Build a team around a player who has been outstanding for one sixth of his term with us ,rather than a player who is outstanding almost every time he takes to the field.
    The management should explain there actions in the Q &A,They should not explain their plans.That is only making a rod for their own backs.should thinks no work out as intended.
    I think Robin’s tweet does enough to at least cast doubt about and statement attributed to him on any subject.
    Good stuff again Yogi.

  6. how can Liverpool be classed as a “big club”? they dont even play in Europe no more have won nothing the last 5 years and have not won the PL since last millenium!

    It drives me mad that nobody questions Liverpools trophy draught! I mean honestly, how can Englands soecalled 2nd biggest team not win and still be big?

  7. george rodger

    Fair enough Duke.Would that not go doubly for Cesc?

  8. Bradys right foot

    How much verbage can one set of hacks churn out. Opt out of the looney season or face a summer more tense than a Giggs family Christmas. This daily and circular rendidtion of shit is so fecking tiresome, none of the hacks have a clue as to who Arsenal are buying or selling which is why we are linked with absolutelty everyone all the time.

  9. Perhaps Arsene is like a “Ninja Manager” feeding the media misinformation whilst lurking in the shadows waiting to strike when guards are down.
    Or perhaps not.

  10. Poodle,
    I suppose it depends on following, and to be honest, ‘pool still has an incredible global fanbase. discounting their old titles and trophies, two recent CL finals, 1 CL cup, and action hero Steven Gerrard probably helped that cause as well.

    We are bigger than them though, so you should probably take the greater criticism of our trophy drought as a compliment to our status!

  11. The important thing is that RVP, in the same breath as supposedly saying Arsenal shouldn’t be talking about winning the league, goes on to say that next season, Arsenal can win the league.

    The original quote was chiselled by, wait for it, the same shit-stirring c*ntweasels that manufactured the “English Players are too hedonistic” comment.

    It’s not hard to see why RVP would move to deny a jingoistic Heil article about “Johnny-Foreigner Arsenal vs. England”. It’s also of little surprise that “RVP frustrated by lack of silverware” headlines don’t even pop up on the radar. Another non-story.

    Come opening day of the season RVP will be talking about winning the league. He knows we’re close and winning is what he lives for. All the rest is bollocks.

  12. I agree with limpar.

    If RVP did not believe that his team could go on to beat the BBB boys that night, why did he take that shot (from Clichy’s pass…) which beat Valdes at his post?

  13. Oh hell. Now our feckless latter day poster Henristic is ripping the likes of Frank. As the summer meanders along it is interesting to see how the so many so-called supporters have lost their grip on reality; gyrating with every whim of the transfer window. Self-sustaiining policy my foot. Spend Kenny, spend.

  14. Limpar,
    i agree. This is the only blog where I find that RvP’s comments (about arsenal, not the foreigner vs. english stuff) are considered even slightly controversial (admittedly I don’t read that many).
    That’s mostly because its only here where you find anyone that disagreeing with the sentiments he expressed, which although can be considered slightly critical, is no different to what Wenger, Theo, Cesc, JD, and a whole list of ex players have said. And pray tell, why should it be such shock that performances of the last few seasons is getting critical evaluation?

    In short, RvP’s quoted words are a non-story, except for someone like Frank who is kicking up a fuss because it offends his sensibilities of what he considers to be proper supporting behavior.

  15. *Yawns*

    Maybe it is just these Ruby goggles, but I thought the U-21’s looked much better when Henri de Lansbury came on. I’d forgotton about Lansbury, my U21 boycott didn’t last.
    Plus Rodwell on for the ex-chav played in an unflattering role thanks to the genuis of Psycho. Bobby Robsen must be headbutting the marble columns up there in Football Heaven.

  16. genius even.

  17. I love RVP’s comments.

    Real leadership. All senior players are expressing a unified concern, and whilst not pleasing on the ear, at least there is an internal recognition that the collapses that have become so apparent over the last 3 years need to be addressed, which is a very positive thing.

    Very much enjoying Wenger’s rhetoric too, I am starting to believe that he too see’s the last 2/3 years as what they are, and is now prepared to make the necessary changes to ensure we can compete consistently at the highest level again.

  18. How about Pearse saying
    “If we had the amount of possession they had we would have scored 4 or 5”.

    It show a total lack of understanding of what possession football is all about.He is a Dinosaur and god help us if he takes over the senior team

  19. Good morning Luke.
    Shall we start again with a clean sheet?

  20. George,

    Let’s just not bicker/abuse/patronise/stoke fights etc

    Feeling fruity at the moment. Is the club on the verge of some big annoucements????

    Lets get our business done early, smashing preseason, and get off to a flyer in August.

  21. Good morning to you too!

  22. Shotta,
    What? so Frank is beyond reproach?

    Unlike you shotta, I don’t do favourites… and to be fair neither does Frank. He’s worse than me in not caring whose ox is gored. I can recall he’s tried to pick a fight with you too a while ago 🙂 Remember that?

  23. Which of these players had the least number of assists last season?Song Bendtner Clichy or Nasri.Take a bow Mr Nasri.A grand total of ONE assist yes ONE

    Lets be honest out of two and a half of his three seasons at the club his form was so-so He had a great first 5 months of this season yet look at his form from january onwards.It was poor.

  24. I wonder if we will see announcements today to make Ivan’s job that much easier tonight?

  25. And Shotta,
    How are you doing by the way? Hope you’re fully recovered?

  26. Even if Frank has not been proven right about the RVP stuff.At very least it gives his views greater credance

  27. Jabba's delights

    If its true with have given Samir a perfromance related offer that matches his valuation I’m, delighted. Its maybe somethign we should look into more. Whilst there is definetly more to come from nasri and isnt yet anywhere near rvp of the gas i think he has the potential to be that level.

    Really looking forward to hearing what Glazidis has to say tonight, i think he is an excellent speaker and whilst their is always spin as long as the questions arent rude he will try to answer them as straight as possible and thats to his great credit.

  28. Did Pearce say that? Man, what a moron.

  29. Yes he did OOU.They just will not accept that hoofball is the past.Mind you ,some Arsenal fans are the same.Size,British spine,power ,pace,and little said about vision and passing.Still hope springs eternal.If the Refs would correctly apply the rules of the game then we might see some progression in the English game.

  30. Jabba's delights

    To be fair to england though, they arent going to out pass Spain so why bother even trying. I thought we looked very good defensively and made Spain look quite toothless at times. Obviously it will be easier to judge when we see how we perform against Ukraine and Czech. Possession is only good if use it and we eneded up having just as many shots as them.

    Cant believe Mannciene is captaijn, that guys must be the best brown noser in the world.

  31. I haven’t seen anyone kick up a fuss about RVP’s comments, Henristic – although your post from this morning doesn’t reflect terribly well on you, I don’t think.

    Frank didn’t believe the quote to be true. Who can blame him? The Sun don’t have a very good track record of quoting people accurately. In fact, going by track record, the odds that he was misquoted are probably less than evens. Most of it is bullshit.

  32. But dont we have to address the reasons why we cant out pass Spain?
    Or do we forever play hoofball and hope the refs keep allowing us to get over physical.

  33. I think the ex-chav deserves a tiny bit of credit for upping sticks to play for Hamburg. Just a tiny bit… but it does rather put some of the homesick nancyboys in the senior side to shame.

  34. Yes,Who did kick up a fuss?
    Did I miss some fuss kicking,I hope not.That is right up my street

  35. He also has more caps for England at that level than any other player on the pitch last night so was a pretty obvious choice for captain I thought.

  36. George,

    The English game is so archaic. For our development to resemble Spains, we need to revamp the whole approach to the game from Under 9’s upwards. But that has been discussed many time before.

    Related to Arsenal – its amazing the impact Wenger will have on the next England team. Wilshere is surely the first of many future stars to be borne from Arsene’s dedication and commitment towards a more techincal approach.

    Whilst idenity is important, and our football unplayable at times, there is an additional need (discussed at length previously). Essentially no-one with any sense is saying we return to the Graham days, rather, that Wenger emulates his blueprint for previous success, where skill, flair, passing and attacking brilliance is married to a more structured and physical defensive unit.

    He’s done it before, the old dog knows this trick.

  37. Jabba's delights

    George

    There is more than one way to skin a cat. Whilst we do have to improve our technical skill, our youth teams have never had better results than what they have over the last few years, despite what people say about foreigners killing English youth.

    For all their possession yesterday spain really struggled to break us down and we beat them in the last u21 tourn 2 years ago. Against the next 2 teams in the group i obvioulsy want to see us adapt our game and impose ourselves more but i thought they did a good job yesterday. Let spain pass it sideways for 10 mins at a time then get 4 shots in total on goal. Why waste energy chasing spain around when they are happy to pass it from keeper to cb, to keeper to full back to cb for 5 mins

  38. It’s weird, isn’t it – you get the feeling that they they know they have to change. They tried to play from the back yesterday, but it was painful to watch. You could tell what kind of football Phil Jones has been brought up on – but it wasn’t entirely his fault. If you see Mancienne trying to drop deep to pick up the ball, you’re probably safer giving it back to the GK.

    It would be interesting to see if the younger England teams are trying to get the ball down now, because that would make a difference, as those guys would still be developing technique etc. Then again, if you think Pearce is a dinosaur, you should see the mugs they’ve got coaching further down the ladder.

    Also, Spain weren’t that good either, considering the players they had. I thought it was going to be a mauling, but they didn’t really commit players forward. Kind of like last summer actually. Made for a bit of a stinker.

  39. Jabba's delights

    Limpar

    Rather than count his caps which can often be reflection of how little he has improved i was more pointing to how average a player he is. He has looked awful whenever i have seen him and to say i was shocked Hamburg bought him would eb an understatement. The fact that he played instead of Rodwell as well also suprised me.

  40. Yogi I make you right about the RvP comments. He didnt back track on his assessment of the team and its title credentials. But he didnt need to as he ended up saying that, with a few signings we would be title challengers again.

    I dont think henristic needed to copy and paste his remarks about Frank though. Why do that? To make sure your riposte gets seen by everyone?

    As for todays spec, I hope there is some substance to Nasri’s new deal. Scott Dann is a decent defender, his absense was heavily felt by the Brum cloggers. Sending Miquel to Bolton while we sign Cahill seems a load of tosh to me.

  41. I think it’s to do with Frank Arnesen being Director of Sport at Hamburg. He was the one who brought Mancienne to Chelsea I think.

  42. Luke,I get it I do .Who would not was the Invincables again.But the game is moving on .The English game is lagging behind. we,Arsenal, should be looking to move forward,not back to the old model.
    As you rightly said Arsene has proven that he knew the old way better than anyone.
    I would not want to follow a team that is dominated yet some how manages to get results.Wining,for me, is not everything.
    Who would you want to watch play snooker,Stev. Davis (6 times world champion) or Jimmy White(0 times winner)?Who do you think gets most bookings for work?
    I also accept that for most,perhaps winning is everything.

  43. Limpar

    Even though I dont rate Manciene at all, I too take me hat off to him for trying his luck abroad. Way too many of the seniors are too scared to give it a go. They would beneift greatly by trying a new league/language/prostitutes.

    Obviously I dont want Wilshere going anywhere! 😀

  44. I thought the game last night was embarrassing at times. hearing the Ole’s (which I hate BTW) of the crowd as the Spanish pased it aroubnd for fun. I just think they got into a bit of trasining ground mentality as it was too easy for them. And it is criminal that in 2011, England’s players still do not have the same technical abilities. I remebering some geezer on the radio, years ago saying how if you looked at English players dates of birth, most of them were between Sept and January as this would mean they were the oldest (and therefore the biggest) in their respective year groups.

    Oh yeah good afternoon all.

  45. When Frank objects strenuously to something or somebody, as with the current RvP “quotes”, over the years I have noticed he is more right than wrong, and so give him the benefit of doubt. On the whole I don’t fight with Frank and can’t recall having done so, because, give or take a couple of minor differences, he’s a spirited supporter of character. I appreciate these things.

  46. Why does Pearce’s decision to play a player in an unfamiliar role when he had Muamba and Rodwell to choose from reflect poorly on the player for some?

    Why be fair to players who have just been sold for around about $20M smackerooney’s, for example, who looked not that good playing against their peers?

  47. Jabba's delights

    George

    The game is moving on but to win the premiership one needs more balance. Whilst i think Barca would still win our league i think they would find it much more of a struggle due to its physical nature.

    Whilst Spain and Barca have changed football everything happens in cycles and if we are to be succesful in the prem we must not betray the english physical side of the game. To counter Spain and Barca i think yo will find teams adapt their counter attacking systems. We beat Barca this year by excelling on the counter attack and Inter deservidely beat them by 2 goals at the San Siro due to an excellent counter attack.

    That was my issue with Enlgand last night. Fine let them domiante possession as alot of is it useless but when we get we must be more incisive with it rather than just playing aimless long balls

  48. Jabba's delights

    Finsbury

    I’ve just never heard many chels or Wolves fans speak highly of him. He appears to be one of those guys who coaches love but other people fail to see his usefulness. Considering the type of clubs linked with Rodwell i just found it very suprising he didnt play. Maybe thats a reflaction of the English press and how they build up players who arent actually that good

  49. Bradys right foot

    george rodger | June 13, 2011 at 11:21 am

    How about Pearse saying
    “If we had the amount of possession they had we would have scored 4 or 5″.

    I nearly wet myself after reading that, the English game is incapapable and unwilling to make the changes needed to compete. The game is moving in a direction the English game doesn’t want to go. In effect its going into an evolutionary cul de sac.

  50. Good afternoon everyone. How refreshing to read so many friendly comments rather than abuse.

    George ~~ had to laugh at Pearce saying that.

  51. The glaring difference between the teams, last night, was the English players almost total inability to receive a ball and instantly bring it under control. Time and again possession was lost as the ball bounced off our players and was picked up by the Spaniards.

    Credit must be given to England for fighting to the end and snatching a late equaliser, even if it was offside.

  52. LimparAssist | June 13, 2011 at 12:13 pm
    I haven’t seen anyone kick up a fuss about RVP’s comments, Henristic – although your post from this morning doesn’t reflect terribly well on you, I don’t think.

    Well you haven’t looked properly then. Frank has been on about it since it came out.

    And I obviously don’t care very much how my comments are perceived, Limpar. Its not like I had a reputation on here to protect?
    It is funny though how you view my comments about Frank, considering that he is about the most abusive personality on this site.

  53. Spain’s goal should also have been rules out for handball. England didn’t do to badly, I thought, but their lack of quality will tell towards the latter stages.
    Opening games in a tournament are rarely give a good indication of how a tournament ends up.

  54. Dupsff

    Its early yet mate, the nice atmos can easily be changed! 😀

  55. *ruled

  56. Calm before the storm then Dexter?

  57. @ YW
    I see the madness continues…
    When I see what is said to be happening with transfers and re-signing players I think of Arsene’s comments about the Rooney saga – that the only surprise was that it was out in the open! So I’m not going to fret until we know for certain one way or the other.

    Regarding the money, I always feel it’s not the actual amounts, it’s the status conferred that they get so worked up about.

    If Nasri wants the team built around him then I welcome the commitment to the club but I feel he needs to show his first-half -of-season form more consistently before he can be in that position.

    To those coplaining about the lack of information coming from Arsenal about plans etc, bear in mind they can’t tell the fans anything they don’t want the wider public to know.

    @ Luke
    “and (Wenger) is now prepared to make the necessary changes to ensure we can compete consistently at the highest level again.”

    What do you understand the phrase “compete consistently at the highest level again” to mean?

    @ Limpar Assist
    “The important thing is that RVP, in the same breath as supposedly saying Arsenal shouldn’t be talking about winning the league, goes on to say that next season, Arsenal can win the league.”

    That is exactly how I see it. It read as an expression of frustration, and as I said the other day, come next season he will be going for the title the same as always. The thing we have to hang on to is the fact that if we weren’t so good, we wouldn’t be so upset at having missed out.

    @ george rodger
    Can I add my voice to the support for you? The guy who originally accused you of being a racist was just trying to take a cheap shot because he was losing the argument. Jabba’s shot was even cheaper.

  58. Steve Mclaren appointed Forest manager. This is someone who won the Eredivisie a couple of seasons ago!

    Is the dutch league that poor?

  59. Nah, hope not dupsff. There’s a lot of love in here today!

  60. I didn’t think george’s comments were racist either.
    He’s an obtuse snarling little dog though 🙂

  61. McClaren got ripped in the media for daring to use an umbrella when it rained, so yeah, I think his stock is lower in this coubntry than he probably deserves. Then again, he didnt do too well at Wolfsburg.

  62. Bradys right foot

    Jabba’s delights | June 13, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    George

    The game is moving on but to win the premiership one needs more balance. Whilst i think Barca would still win our league i think they would find it much more of a struggle due to its physical nature.

    Whilst Spain and Barca have changed football everything happens in cycles and if we are to be succesful in the prem we must not betray the english physical side of the game. To counter Spain and Barca i think yo will find teams adapt their counter attacking systems. We beat Barca this year by excelling on the counter attack and Inter deservidely beat them by 2 goals at the San Siro due to an excellent counter attack.

    Jabba two points to consider, firstly referees at International and European level simply remove the physical advantage many see in the English game, it actually becomes a handicap resulting in unecessary fouls. There is a new and tactical art to breaking the game up and Barca lead the way. When they loose possession they are the most cynical team I have ever seen, its tactical protecting the transition when every team is at their most vunerable. Like the statistical evidence at the heart of the long ball approach, Barcas approach and success is based on turning transition to goals when apparently teams are most at risk of conceding.

    The second point is possesion, it is King most of the time, dominate the ball and you’ll usually win the game . Chasing after the ball for the vast majority of the game pretty much means you will concede a goal after 75 minutes.

    The English style of Kick and rush athletes should be best suited to an underage tournament like the u21s. I think the size and athleticism of the u21 team should mitigate some of the technical superiority of the other teams but if these Spain and English team faced each other in 4 years youd back the spanish everytime.

  63. george rodger

    Henristic.And after me being so nice about you yesterday.No more olive branches for you my friend. 🙂

  64. Jabba’s delights | June 13, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Too many folk like to look at “opta stats” to try and justify their empty point when common sense will tell you that this player had a shit season but, he is no doubt world class.

    People can quote Nasri, stats all day and night long if it makes it good for you. Bottom line is Wenger is our Captain Mayhem and he knows Nasri, is world class in the making and he wants to keep him here.

    You same ones who slated him because of what the media told you will be the same ones singing his name until you lose your voice next season when he leads us to glory.

    Nas, is like a younger modern day version of Robert Pires, with a whole lot of attitude. Not even the French Legends can talk to him because he ain’t having it but, they all know he is going to be one of the best players in the world in the near future and you won’t want to see him earn this tag wearing teams shirt.

    If all is as they say it is, I think it’s a good message sent out by Stan K. I still have no idea what he wants with our club or his intentions therefore I’m not riding on the same bandwagon as some but, this speaks volumes that he prepared to not let our best players go at any cost as long as it’s not ludicrous.

    Not at all worried about Cesc, he does his job a cut above the rest but, we do have players who can play that role and the best one should hopefully be here with us for the next 5yrs.

  65. Fungooner

    To take last years victories over City, Chelsea, United & Barca and have the same intensity for so called lesser games.

    The season before, we struggled against all big teams and dispatched of everyone below us, find consistency, and we will invariably be in the hunt come May.

  66. george rodger

    Talk of Andrei for the off seems to have gone away.Something I for one find most pleasing.

  67. Nice to hear some good news about Nasri. Its interesting how many of us were talking about how much he has improved and how he was the player of the year and then when we think he is going to leave we all start saying that he is not worth it anyway since he only had a half year of great form. Either he is great and we need to keep him or he isn’t. It can’t be both. I think we need to keep him. Losing him would be another blow to the the morale of the squad If he does go we need to get it done quickly and then bring in a top notch player to replace him, even if we have to overpay.

    I copied and pasted another quote from RVP that he made after last years world cup.

    van Persie said: “People criticised us for our playing style. It was not as pretty as it used to be with Holland.
    “But my question is: Getting results and reaching the final or playing the beautiful game and getting knocked out in the first round — which would you choose?
    “Just before France had to pack their bags, Patrick Vieira said to me that you don’t have to play well in the group stages of a World Cup, not even in the second round.
    “Only later do you have to grow as a team and you will reach a high level. That will get you to the final. That is exactly the way we did it. Against Brazil in the second half, we were brilliant.
    “I know how difficult it can be to play wonderful football and not get the result you want.
    “I see it at Arsenal more than I want to. When we play the likes of Bolton and Blackburn we dominate the game, we play attacking football and they score from a lousy throw-in or an odd corner-kick. Then we end up chasing them again.

    He made that statement before the start of last season. I am sure he is not the only player on the squad who feels this way. No one wants Allardyce-ball but a little more balance would be a good thing.

  68. Agreed George, selling and replacing Andrei would just be futile in my opinion.

    For his ‘poor’ season last year, he contributed to more goals than everyone bar RVP.

    10 goals, 18 assists is a brilliant return for an out of colour, out of position player who rarely gets 90 minutes.

  69. Jabba's delights

    Brady’s Right Foot

    Times change though. In every sport teams or individuals come along and dominate and people think it will continue for years and years but almost inevitably it doesnt happen. Barca and Spain are wonderful teams but teams will find a way to negate them. I would suggest that the germans at international level are building a team that is there to beat. Lightening quick counter attacks strong at set pieces.

    England to need to move on but thats one thing Arsene has said he, reckons the technical level of our young english players is getting better. Our U21 lost the last final and lost on pens in the semi the one before that. Our u17 have won one and lost in the final of the last 2 and our u19 likewise. We are getting better.

    Arsenal are the perfect example of possesion not being king. Yes it works for Barca and Spain but not everyone. It would also eb interesting to see how Barca cope with an injury to Messi.

    England need to find an identity under Capello.

  70. Bill, thanks for those qoutes, had not seen them before.

    His stature and leadership is growing by the day.

  71. george rodger

    Bill it seems to me that you might not be against Allardyce-ball.Its not dissimilar to Jose-ball.With the balance,as you say,tipping heavily towards not not conceding.rather than towards scoring.Which is fine if that what you want to watch.
    Just that I do not.But that is just me.No doubt the “winners” among us will think differently.Me being a loser and all.

  72. @ Luke

    “To take last years victories over City, Chelsea, United & Barca and have the same intensity for so called lesser games.

    The season before, we struggled against all big teams and dispatched of everyone below us, find consistency, and we will invariably be in the hunt come May.”

    I agree with that as far as it goes, but it’s not really answering my question of what does competing at the highest level again mean. The implication is that we have not been in the hunt for any of the big prizes recently, or that we have fallen out of top-level European competition. We haven’t won anything, but winning does not mean the same thing as competing. Being in finals and semi-finals, challenging for the title in April, being in the CL every year, is competing. After all we could make all the improvements we want to see and STILL, through bad luck or some other reason out of our control, end the season empty-handed.

  73. george rodger

    RVP is my favorite person on the playing staff ,but Andrei is my favorite player.If that makes any sense at all 🙂

  74. george rodger

    Fun,you need never go “empty handed” with an internet connection.

  75. Jabba's delights

    George

    I think its about striking a balance. Whilst we can be very entertaining at times, there are also games when our endless passing isnt very attractive. Good defending is just as important as good attacking.

    I love the fact that we do try and play good football, but we need to develope other ways of doing it as well. When our counter attack is in full flow i find us brilliant to watch. Its a part of our game that has been side tracked in recent years at times which i think is a shame. That 2nd goal against Barca was utterly briliant but it was direct.

    If our attack can reach a balance between its short passing and direct approach added to being a bit more efficent with our crosses and getting into the box we would be just about unbeatbale. Cut out the sloppy defensive errors as well and we could match Barca

  76. George:

    I risk Passenal or someone else complaining that I say the same thing over and over. So here we go again.

    Lets be honest with ourselves about our attacking football. To me what makes great football is scoring. We are averaging 3rd place in the league table in goals scored for the last several years and have not outscored ManU and only outscored Chelsea twice in the last 6 years. Having 70% of the ball does not equal exciting football. Realistically we can not score enough goals to compete for trophies in the PL if the numbers of goals we concede is in the 40’s and getting worse every year. Given what we see in the teams around us at the top of the table its easier to score if you are solid at the back. Does not make sense but thats what the tables tell us.

    IMO, the teams around us score more goals with technically inferior players because they are more direct and attack the goal rather then pinging the ball around 35 yards from goal and they use more counter attacking. In both cases you will have less ball possession but its seems to equate to scoring more goals. They also have bigger stronger teams and score more set piece goals. In the PL being bigger and stronger and more organized seems to equate to being better defensive teams. If you have another explanation for what we see happening then I would love to hear it.

  77. Fun,

    Much to anticipated derision on here, I do not believe we have competed for the league since 07-08, we have not competed well in the FA Cup for 5 years, and have been to the semi’s of the CL once in 5 years. The CC final aside, our genuine chances of silverware have been limited.

    We have been incredibly resilient in remaining in the top 4 under an attack of outrageous spending, and super clubs consistently upsetting our dressing room by tapping up our stars. To lose every member of the Invincibles, and maintain a strong position in the league was a ridiculous achievement, especially with a budget the size of a promoted club.

    As a result of the above, we have fallen away at crunch time, for 3 years now. Wether its injuries, the ref, poor form, it has happened. Eradicating inconsistency will, in my eyes, ensure we are in more finals, semi-finals, and in stronger positions in the league come May.

    I’m not gutted about the lack of silverware, I’m gutted about the manner in which the drought has continued,

  78. FG:
    “After all we could make all the improvements we want to see and STILL, through bad luck or some other reason out of our control, end the season empty-handed.”

    This is true in theory, but really doesn’t describe our own situation in these past seasons. We have underperformed when it mattered most and that’s not down to bad luck, or some other unforeseeable circumstances.

  79. Um. Don’t mean to be burst any Gr*tballs but…
    The Netherlands did lose the WC final. (To a team pas avec Messi). Without Webb to protect De Jong, it’d have been a mauling.

    The game at the New Arsenal Stadium was a much much better game on every level then the WC final.
    Or the CL final. A privilege to have been there.

  80. Bradys right foot

    Jabba’s delights | June 13, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    Arsenal are the perfect example of possesion not being king. Yes it works for Barca and Spain but not everyone. It would also eb interesting to see how Barca cope with an injury to Messi.

    Agree m8, but I would maintain we have been very wasteful infront of goal honestly I think we miss a signifigant amount of really good chances. I agree the German team will be interesting to see in development infact you could arguesomeof their current U21 players are going to improve upon what is already an incredibly young team in the next two or three years, squad depth will not be a problem as their academies keep producing real talent. The German FA andthe Bundesliga have a great working relationship and the clubs have played a huge role in the turnaround of the national team, the success of the national team is the ultimate aim of the league players and fans, this is not the case in England.

  81. Jabba's delights

    Brady’s Right Foot

    Yup that the nail on the head their league is set up to provide quality players to play for the national team. They also do oustandingly well with their immigrant popualtion. The amount of high quality turks coming through their system is great.

    Its hard to strike a balance though, as whilst i want success for england i would 100% forsake that for success for arsenal. Whilst wenger is doing his best to produce quality yougn english players you here of the rules not allowing our trainers to meet with kids for more than 90 mins a day and become infuriated.

    I just think we need an identity. There is nothing wrong with being a defensive team if thats where your strengths are. The Italians dont give a fook that hey play awful stagnated defensive football. I think we are better suited to set out our stall defensively and then utilise pace and power on the counter and height and bravery at set pieces to beat teams.

  82. Bill,
    Its hard to disagree with RvP to be honest. International competitions don’t give a lot of time for participating teams to build the sort of team work required to make a fluid passing game successful, unless you are Spain and get most of your players from one team to plays the same way.
    So I can see my many coaches will opt for a defensive approach which is presumably easier to adopt in such circumstances.
    I’m not entirely sure that RvP will like us to adopt such a strategy at Arsenal however. After all, its the same RvP who recently talked about how much he believed in Wenger’s style and vision.

    I do agree with you that having a good defence does not negate a good attacking strategy. Its really is a poor excuse to say we don’t need to worry about the defense as long as we outscore our opponents, as the reality simply doesn’t bear that out at the top level of football.
    In addition to your stats, one only has to look at Barca. Few teams attack like they do, yet they don’t concede that many goals, do they?

  83. Hope you don’t think this abusive, Henristic, and I’m sure FG will hand your arse to you shortly but, fucken hell, talk about obtuse!

  84. Bradys right foot

    Jabba

    I hear what your saying about playing to your strengths. My take on it is that our strengths have been shown to be not good enough to win at major tournaments over a period of time. I would also argue that the perceived strengths arent any better than other teams. I would imagine the Spanish midfield cover as much ground or more than the English team. I would also hazard a guess in saying that they are as good if not better than England at defending set pieces.

  85. @ Henristic
    “This is true in theory, but really doesn’t describe our own situation in these past seasons. We have underperformed when it mattered most and that’s not down to bad luck, or some other unforeseeable circumstances.”
    I was pointing out the difference between “competing” and “winning a trophy”. I was not, if you read my comment, saying that we HAD done everything right.

    And other factors have definitely contributed to our demise. Everybody needs a bit of luck to win the title. We get broken legs and ridiculous officiating and penalty bans etc. You point out the fact that Spain’s U21 goal should have been disallowed for handball. If that had been the final group game, is it not conceivable that that mistake might have proved decisive in either team’s progress?

    ***
    @ Luke
    “I do not believe we have competed for the league since 07-08,”
    We competed for the league in 2010/2011.
    A couple of seasons ago, if we had beaten ManUre away instead of drawing,, we would have won, as things turned out.
    Last year, we went close as well.

    “we have not competed well in the FA Cup for 5 years,”
    We were in the semi-finals two years ago.

    “and have been to the semi’s of the CL once in 5 years.”
    How many other teams have a better record than that? Two? Three? And we have been put out by the eventual winners in two at least of those five years.

    “The CC final aside, our genuine chances of silverware have been limited.”
    Why “CC final aside”?

    My general point is that not many teams have done better than us over the last two-three years. How many teams are in the running for more than one trophy after Christmas? Or after March?

    “we have fallen away at crunch time, for 3 years now. Wether its injuries, the ref, poor form, it has happened. Eradicating inconsistency will, in my eyes, ensure we are in more finals, semi-finals, and in stronger positions in the league come May.

    I’m not gutted about the lack of silverware, I’m gutted about the manner in which the drought has continued,”

    I am glad that you accept that there are more reasons than just the team’s shortcomings. But that reinforces my point – that we could get it all right and outside factors could foil us. I don’t disagree that we have to improve our performance, what I have been saying is that you seem to be eliding the meanings of “compete” and “win”. We have lacked something, but to imply that we haven’t competed would be grossly to distort the truth and be unfair to those players who have worked so hard.

    And – finally – can I just clarify a related matter. When I say the team can be improved, I don’t mean the team is not good enough. The heartbreaking fact which I think most of us agree on is that the team ARE good enough to win the league. But we underperformed. What I mean is that however good you are, you can improve. I still think that we had the best squad from an individual quality standpoint (for the first time in a few years) and when we played our game with the handbrake off, we were on a whole different level.

  86. Henristic:

    “I do agree with you that having a good defence does not negate a good attacking strategy.”

    Thats the critical point that somehow our team is missing. You only have to look at the other top teams in our league to prove that statement. I think we have to get our defending in order first and then reorganize our attack if needed. I also believe that is we were solid at the back we could be more effective going forward.

    Cesc said at the world cup that he was struck with the difference in the way Spain prepared for a game compared to Arsenal. Spain spent at least as much of its training time studying how to counter the opponents strengths as they did with working on their own game. Arsenal on the other hand spends almost almost all of its time concentrating on how we can impose our game on the other team. The culture that has developed in that type of environment is probably the main reason why we consistently struggle so much as a team with our defense. I have no other logical explanation. I hope we bring in a couple of new players and I still hope the boss goes back on what he said and brings in a defensive coach and gives him some of the training time and some leeway to organize our defending.

  87. @ Luke
    “and have been to the semi’s of the CL once in 5 years.”
    How many other teams have a better record than that? Two? Three? And we have been put out by the eventual winners in two at least of those five years.

    Sorry – I misread what you said – I thought you said “finals” of the CL, referring to the paris final

  88. Jabba's delights

    Brady’s Right Foot

    I just think the standard to get to international semi finals isnt anywhere near as good as what people think. The nations which can get their squad all pulling in one direction tend to do best and i just think our team never really has a direction, there always appears to be mixed signals about how we want to play. I cant believe that the Spanish are as good as us at set piece defending or attacking due to the height of their team. Im sure their midfield does cover more ground than us, but i would suggest they run around in a more intelligent way with our guys running around almost for the sake of it. I just want to see england set their stall out to play in a particular way in future and go for it.

    Fun Gunner

    I dont think anyone questions that we have alot of quality but so do the other teams in the league. We didnt have much genuine competition for starting places last year which i think was an issue which we definetly need to improve on. Its all very well saying the team are good enough to win the league but the table doesnt lie and hasnt done for a few years. The issues can be sorted both in the transfer market and on the training field. The league is won by the most consistent team and until we learn how to be consistent and win when the chips are down we will continue to underachieve.

  89. It’s dangerous (some might say silly) to compare international football with club football. The differences are huge.

    There are no strangers in the league – but lots of them at international level.

    National teams also don’t have much preparation time – a club’s style of play is years in the making. So it makes sense that a large proportion of those short weeks before an international tournament has to be spent on negating the opposition, as they don’t have the luxury of time to develop their own style.

    All the best attacking (we’re speaking about intention and philosophy, not goal tallies here) club sides spend more time working on their own game than on working out how to counter the opposition.

  90. Jabba's delights

    Oneofus

    I completely agree that in general attacking teams do spend more time trying to perfect their own game, but quotex coming out of our club suggest we spend almost zero time looking at the opposition strengths.

  91. Fun,

    As I’m sure you have read, I can’t say we competed for the league last year. We finished 4th, 12 points off the pace, having finished the final third of the season in relegation form. Personally, that does not amount to a title challenge, BUT, I know your response, I have heard your line of reasoning, and can’t see us agreeing.

    Playing well untill February, and having the title in our hands was a VERY strong position to be in (and one that deserves immense praise) – However, we get ourselves into great positions, but buckle when it counts. Again, this is what I believe will be addressed this summer. However, our amendments will differ. I believe we need to refresh the squad, change the playing personel.

    Apologies for not including our Cup defeat to Chelsea – another game where individual error has cost us significantly. Regarding our competitiveness in the CL, being in it does not make you compete for the prize in my eyes.

    Where Spurs competing for the CL? Where Shaktar? By the very fact of being in the competition of course they were, but the concept of them doing any damage in the tournament was unthinkable.

    Not too dissimilar to Arsenal I’m afraid. I know know, we lost to Barca, and all the details of that tie. You then have to ask yourself, why did we put ourselves in that position?

  92. Actually, I’ll beat my own argument, last years CL doesn’t really count.

    No-one stood a chance to beat Barca.

    I’ll rescind that line of thought – but you get my point still!

  93. Hahhaha I see nothing has changed over here. Just dropping in to see hey and get a feeling on what everyone is really thinking. I think this summer has been my most pessimistic for years. To many outs for my liking being branded about, always worries me that.

  94. george rodger

    I just hope we sign 2 center backs the size of Samba,the “they will not pass attitude”(thanks Martin) of Terry,the pace of Theo and the passing and vision of DB10.
    Then we can all be friends and live happily ever after.Even Bill would be happy.

  95. Ahh – Dream come True by BNH – Great Track – and N’dea Davenport is not unpleasant on the eye! 😉

  96. Matt, Apparently Nothing by said group. Crank up the bass on the intro.

  97. Nasri…

    I think Nasri is playing with fire but to be fair to him, is it just about money? Or could it be about what role he wants to play on the field as well?

    We all know Arsene has a knack for converting players from one position to another, in most cases he succeeds in converting players, but not all players like to be converted into something else.

    In any case, Nasri should realize that he’s a better player than when he arrived at Arsenal. If he wants to leave, then the decent thing for him to do is make sure we get the maximum fee for his transfer..

    By the way, “Loyalty Schmoyalty” No one really have real loyalty to the club except real fans(period)

  98. Like to see us get a less tricky deal in the CL this time round too.

  99. Gazzete De La Islington are reporting that Wenger, is closing in on Samba for 12 million.
    Price has risen from a reported 8million to above fee in one week?!

    You got to love these cunt I tell you.

  100. @ OneOfUs | June 13, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    Exactly!
    Furthermore, in order to defend better, we don’t have to become a defensive team. Spain and Barca both show that.

    @ Luke
    You did start by saying that we haven’t competed in the last two or three years. Why would you exclude the season just gone?

    “Where Spurs competing for the CL? Where Shaktar? By the very fact of being in the competition of course they were, but the concept of them doing any damage in the tournament was unthinkable.”
    You think it was unthinkable that we could have won the league or the CL or the FA Cup or the CC in the last three years? If we had no realistic chance of winning any of these, how and why is the collapse at the end of the season disappointing? Why are we not, like Spurs, celebrating simply having been in the CL? We are contenders. We just haven’t followed through.
    The question is why, and I believe the answer is complicated, unfortunately for us.

  101. Guuner 4Ever, I think it’s all to do with where he plays also. He comes alive in middle and is a real threat
    running at defenders and unleashing from outside the box.

    I agree that he is much better player from when he arrived and he has more to give.
    Class player.

  102. @ Jabba
    Yes. I know.
    The first step in avoiding bad-tempered arguments is to read properly the post or comment to which you are responding.

  103. I hope he stays Goonerton because I think he can be an Arsenal legend.

  104. Luke, I dont get your comments about not competing.

    In order to compete do you have to lose the PL by 3 points or less and then make the final of every cup competition, at the very least?

    I see no reason whty a fully fit squad couldnt have beaten Barca last season, fact is though we were so depleted we were up in camp Nou and Diaby couldve put Walcott through on goal, not to mention that NB wasnt offside when he was through on goal.

    Sure Messi killed us but we did have many chances, that without MOST of our best players.

  105. Miami Arsenal

    I remember watching the World Cup this year and marvelling in the performances of New Zealand, a team that went out of the Cup unbeaten. Yes, I am a kiwi 🙂 But it strikes me that the success the New Zealand team had, was created and using the tactics of lesser gifted teams in the EPL. I watch as we harried those in possession and relied upon the referee to award us free kicks and corners. This basic tenant of dropping back and keeping the team behind the ball is exactly what undoes Arsenal each season. It isn’t just height, it is a little short sighted to assume one facet of the game undermines our strengths it is that we don’t attack the ball. As a team we need to both attack and defend, our wing backs are purpose built ball distributors but they rely almost exclusively on pace to react to a counter. As a unit, midfield to backs we need to be chartering a course of targetting the ball not the carrier.

  106. It was like I said, the only departure that is likely is Denilson. Cesc, Nasri, and Bendtner will all stay for sure, and I expect to see 2 new signings as well (I’m thinking Samba and Gervinho). Although for the life of me, I can’t see where we can improve our personnel.

    I think though that out style of play can be improved. I have noticed that in recent years, we have been too impatient. We string a couple of good passes around the box, and then when nothing comes off immediately, we try an aimless cross into the box which nobody is ready to make the run for anyway. If we are playing a style of football similar to barca’s we should focus on ball retention. Too many times, we give the ball away easily, and for a team geared to attack (which is natural, since we expect to win most of our games), it is far harder to deal with suddenly switching to defense.

  107. @ OneofUs

    These two articles are excellent –
    http://mr-renoog-videos.blogspot.com/2011/05/what-makes-barcelona-such-formidable.html
    http://mr-renoog-videos.blogspot.com/

    This analysis backs up the point about defending better not being the same as being a defensive team. Also sets out the many similarities between them and the arsenal. Our playing style isn’t the problem, but sometimes our execution is. What we are working towards is difficult to pull off and requires special players. It is why we go for defenders who are technically skilled. I think it’s worth the climb, but others want us to play like Mourinho’s teams.
    BBB force other teams into the position that suits – imposing their game plan on the opposition.
    It’s also worth noting the drawbacks to their style which the article’s writer highlights – this makes the point that every style of play has its advantages and disadvantages, but you have to believe in your philosophy and play to your strengths. When we play the way we can, we are unplayable within the PL.

    I’d still be interested to see how BBB got on in the PL with packed defences and with English-style refereeing, though.

  108. @ YW
    Ooer, my last comment is in moderation. Was it because I posted a couple of links?

  109. Some people doing live tweets from shareholders meeting.

  110. “We string a couple of good passes around the box, and then when nothing comes off immediately, we try an aimless cross into the box which nobody is ready to make the run for anyway. If we are playing a style of football similar to barca’s we should focus on ball retention. Too many times, we give the ball away easily”

    ma2aaditya – that is possibly connected to the calls from the crowd to ‘shoot’ everytime the players are within sight of the penalty box. Maybe if the crowd were a little more patient, the players might be too.

  111. george rodger

    this genuine competition for places thing intrigues me.
    Who competes for the places of Xavi ,Messi, Villa,Iniesta ,Puyol,Alves,and Pique ?
    That is 7 out of 10 outfield players who are undroppable..Now go through the Invincible’s and think what competition for places there was? Edu?Who else?
    I know in an Ideal world we would have the best two players in the world in each position.But it is not the case in any team and never has been.
    So why should we be the first team in history?

  112. george rodger

    I fear there will be carnage at that meeting tonight

  113. FunGunner | June 13, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    @ Henristic
    “This is true in theory, but really doesn’t describe our own situation in these past seasons. We have underperformed when it mattered most and that’s not down to bad luck, or some other unforeseeable circumstances.”
    I was pointing out the difference between “competing” and “winning a trophy”. I was not, if you read my comment, saying that we HAD done everything right.

    I never said you did. I was just making the general point that we can’t use THAT excuse. Then again, the fact that despite ones best efforts, luck/chance/misfortune can mess things up is really a moot point imo. Its fact of life, not just in football.


    “And other factors have definitely contributed to our demise. Everybody needs a bit of luck to win the title. We get broken legs and ridiculous officiating and penalty bans etc. You point out the fact that Spain’s U21 goal should have been disallowed for handball. If that had been the final group game, is it not conceivable that that mistake might have proved decisive in either team’s progress?”

    Luck is a constant factor in everything. Yes everyone need luck, but not just for the title. You may well extend that argument to cover every achievement or non-achievement in life.
    Would we have had our unbeaten season without some luck going our way? Does that make it any less an achievement? Heck, would you even countenance an argument that luck had a prominent role to play in all of our successes as a club?

    Over the course of a season, the best teams can usually can pat themselves on their back for a job well done. They might even win a trophy or two. So people have a point when they say these things even out eventually.
    It doesn’t always happen that way of course. Sometimes people get results their performances don’t deserve, or vice versa. It sucks but that’s life. However, that clearly has NOT been the case these past few seasons where everyone agrees we’ve underperformed, especially at crucial times. Not just the players, but the manager as well. So we can we justifiably use the luck argument as a factor, anymore than we can use it when we win?

  114. Seems to me that some of you people are as bad as the press and media.

    ‘Well no he did not actually say that part of what they said he said. But what he meant by the other part that they said he said but he might not have but he didn’t tweet about it so it is maybe possible he said it, was…..’

    Zimpaul you are a star

    Fuck off, Henristic. Beginning to sound like Lenny Bruce you are. This wonderful club is being eaten alive and you obsess about a grumpy old fart, you silly cunt.

  115. george rodger | June 13, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    That is a great point!

  116. Whose Lenny Bruce?

  117. I am terribly excited. Some shaven headed fucker in chinos, moccasins and polo shirt is going to stand up and ask Ivan Gazidis questioning questions on behalf.

  118. Club eaten alive Frank?
    Right…..

  119. whoops that will be my behalf

  120. IG – AWs public pronouncements often differ to private views. He sees weaknesses more than we realise but no sense in making that public.

    To true

  121. Still getting the hang of twitter. There’s lots of good stuff coming out of that lynching:

    “Gazidis: Wenger defends his players publicly, but don’t think that means he doesn’t challenge them in private.”

  122. LeGrove asks who is Arsene accountable to? Ivan says Arsene is accountable to fans (disgruntled fans murmur)

    Not to le grove that’s for sure.

  123. FunGunner:

    “And other factors have definitely contributed to our demise. Everybody needs a bit of luck to win the title. We get broken legs and ridiculous officiating and penalty bans etc.”

    The reason we have underperformed is easily explainable by the fact that we have been outscored and conceded more goals then ManU for 6 years and conceded more then Chelsea for 6 consecutive years and been outscored by them for most of those years. That consistent level of under performance can not be explained by bad luck or any other extenuating circumstance beyond our control. ManU and Chelsea have good luck because they outscore and out defend us.

    The longer we try to explain everything with bad luck the longer before we actually can go about fixing the problems that cause us to underperform. That said I agree that we are not that far away if we get some new players and modify our tactics.

    When you said:

    The important thing is that RVP, in the same breath as supposedly saying Arsenal shouldn’t be talking about winning the league, goes on to say that next season, Arsenal can win the league.”

    However the quote from RVP that I copied and pasted was:

    “But I do believe with the signing of a number of players, then next season we should be in there competing for prizes.”

    You left off a the most important part of his statement where he said what we need to do to be able to “compete for prizes”.

  124. I must admit that I tend to support whatever Frank says. Why?

    Because when the season starts and the battle lines are drawn, I know he will be stadning firmly (and consistently) behind the existing club. At times this might indeed require a trade-off of ‘the apparent’ for the sake of ‘loyalty’: as I too must confess!

  125. Did RVP confirm any of these quotes at all?

  126. Anyone seen this goal?

  127. Paul N.

    Nope!

  128. george rodger

    No Paul he did not

  129. Keown talking more sense then some on 5live tonight.
    As usual.

    My favourite quote from the show
    (reference is available on the BBC Iplayer for the Monday Night Club, today’s date) re: the U-21’s:

    “The game has changed…England are years behind in their coaching (Keown’s words not mine!))…Pearce chose to play one of his least creative players in the D**M position. Spain played one of their most creative (bar Mata).”

  130. Dgob | June 13, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    “I must admit that I tend to support whatever Frank says. Why?
    Because when the season starts and the battle lines are drawn, I know he will be stadning firmly (and consistently) behind the existing club. At times this might indeed require a trade-off of ‘the apparent’ for the sake of ‘loyalty’: as I too must confess!”

    But will there be anything left of the club by then? Its being eaten alive you know!

  131. Thanks finsbury and George!

    On that note I will not comment on that.

    G4E, that goal is mad. Good enough to win goal of the season in any league!

  132. G4E,
    That is the most amazing goal I can remember seeing!

  133. Seems like the Q and A went well. A bit dissapointed at no mention of a change in coaching staff though. Would have loved to see a new defensive coach, if only for the hope it gives that things might change in that area.

  134. That’s a once in a lifetime goal G4E. I’m sure he could never repeat it.

  135. Nasir Jones-Nasri

    Frank knows best.

  136. Sure he can try but will never get that goal again 🙂

  137. Passenal

    Once in a lifetime goals like Danny Rose & Neil Mellor scored against us.

  138. And that twat at Newcastle

  139. Well done to everyone today.Seems like peace has broken out

  140. Being a Barca fan, I am pretty happy that Cesc will stay in Arsenal. I knew this was going to happen, but still Rosell supported by Spanish Media(Sport.es played a huge role in his campaign) will continue with their rhetoric till the end of August. Just ignore it.

    Why I love Cesc staying? I makes sure that Pep will not have to shift Iniesta upfront to accomodat a possible 40 million+ signing. Iniesta and Xavi as a partnership is the most dangerous in the world and nobody in their sane mind should try to break them. It also gives time for Thiago and Jonathan to get more playing time with the first team. They both have impressed in their limited oppurtunities and it won’t be justice to throw them out to accomodate someone who left the club on his own. But their is a problem to this, we will still waste all our time in futile Cesc chase and will forget to make some necessary signings.

  141. We are coming to get you, Bibin

  142. Just watched the Q and A on arse.com. There might be some change in the backroom staff after all. Fingers crossed then!

  143. Henristic,

    “it’s being eaten alive you know?”

    Only if the Fat Sheriff gets his teeth into it, that is!

  144. On the whole, were Barcelona playing in the EPL, it is debatable whether they could win it, but we’ll never know. The win over ManU, excellent and classy too, was not a domestic affair. The trips to northern clubs to get the shit kicked out of you will never happen, the refs looking the other way, the injuries, the constant balls over the top to tall men and the long throw in, the latest english innovation to level the field, will not be tested.

    On the other hand, Arsene has openly adopted a continental style of play, only better than most in my humble opinion, while adopting one or two elements of English play, Arsene is not particularly averse to ‘firm’ midfield play, but generally detests the types of fouls his players have to deal with.

    The problem at Arsenal is not so much or only in ‘psychological stamina’, as entailing certain tactical disadvantages in developing a continental style in english conditions. The whole point is to change the attritional way football has been played in England, and win, while adopting some fine elements of the english game, notably superb wing and sometimes centre forward play which is a feature of English football. when Wenger says ‘we are close’ this is what we refers to, not ‘winning’, but winning without compromising the superior style of passing, movement, control and speed. When we talk about balance, it is really the balance between continental and english football we need to achieve; no easy matter.

    Often, people say we have no ‘plan B’, notably like ManU or Chelsea, both of whom can play the ball, but frequently resort to ‘closing down the game’, as a method of winning or drawing; it’s the default position in all English football.

    I remain convinced that this will come down to simple things: better defensive duties by all eleven players, better set play defending (Arsene has said) while ‘attacking the ball’ as the Kiwi in Miami has pointed out, in all areas of the park, which takes fitness.

  145. Frank “We are coming to get you, Bibin” lol

  146. The day will come, sooner than realised, when Arsenal overtake Barcelona, and matches between the two are collossal affairs.

  147. I heard talk yesterday on talksport that coaching in the US is now better than in england. The guys on the radio agreed but they were not happy. I think there are brits now going to US to get their coaching1. Wow.

  148. ‘brits’?

  149. did i say something wrong. British?

  150. I agree with Frank. I am embarrased to be associated with some of what passes for ‘support’ these days!

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