Arsenal Breeze It At The Seaside But Is Stan A Breath Of Fresh Air?

Blackpool 1 – 3 Arsenal

0 – 1 Diaby (18)
0 – 2 Eboue (21)
1 – 2 Taylor – Flectcher (52)
1 – 3 van Persie (75)

It was a day of milestones, all at once expected, unexpected and jaw-dropping. More on the unexpected later. As it was Cesc and Jens Lehmann reached 300 and 200 first team appearances, celebrating the first win since Orient were efficiently removed from the FA Cup.

Victory was necessary, Manchester United having won the previous day. Victory was necessary for confidence, it had been a torrid previous six weeks. The gap at the top is ‘as you were’. The coming weekend is going to be crucial as Arsenal’s game in hand is played when Liverpool visit The Emirates. Win that one and pressure returns to United.

Crucial. The word that will be used to describe every weekend between now and the end of the title race.

Blackpool started brightly, beavering away but it became quickly apparent that they were going to be the sort of opponents Arsenal love playing against. A high defensive line, designed to squeeze play, compress midfield. Perfect for pacey attackers and runners from midfield. Arsenal proved the point.

Eighteen minutes in, Diaby rumbled a Blackpool attack in midfield. Within a minute, the ball would be in the back of the net as swift movement and interplay between Cesc and Robin van Persie found Diaby ambling into the Blackpool penalty area, unmarked and giving the move the finish it deserved.

Lessons needed to be learned by Blackpool but they weren’t. Within three minutes, Eboue attacked down the right, interchanged passes and positions with Wilshere, stormed into the area and emphatically finished past Kingston. Would that Arsenal full backs would always show this endeavour. Would that they were always able to show this endeavour.

Diaby could and perhaps should, have done better once van Persie had broken the offside trap, the chance snuffed out by the weight of Blackpool numbers. Nasri was then released by Cesc, beat the offside trap and Kingston but not the woodwork, the ball bouncing off the outside of the post to safety.

Blackpool started brightly in the second half and might have scored more than Taylor-Fletcher’s solitary reply. Adam found his range of passing and drove the hosts on from midfield. The returning Lehmann might have conceded a penalty, Koscielny definitely did. Well, aside from the continually inept Lee Mason failing to award it. Payback for Everton, perhaps?

As it was Theo Walcott’s return provided the perfect antidote to slack marking and a high line. Creaney had been turned inside out, upside down and round and round. His marking might well have been the same as Diana Ross although she turns a lot quicker on stage than he did when the ball went past him from Cesc’s deft touch. van Persie’s finish was as unerring as Walcott’s cross.

At which point the match report gets curtailed. Suffice to say, Lehmann did well on his return whilst the remainder of the team coped with their rocky spell. Bob Wilson observed how impressed he was with the German’s reflexes, noting that some of the younger keepers struggle to get down to stop shots so the 41 year old did well.

There are some interesting provisos attached to the offer from Kroenke. KSE has confirmed to the current Board that there is no intention to follow Aston Villa and Manchester United out of the public share arena although there is a get-out clause,unless Arsenal’s PLUS corporate adviser advises at any time there is not sufficient liquidity in Arsenal Shares to maintain an orderly market in the shares)“.

Crucially, Alisher Usmanov is not expected to sell his shares. In order to wholly own the company, Kroenke would need to purchase that holding, triggering the threshold whereby all shares must be sold to him. What this means is unclear. Usmanov can block matters and become a nuisance but overall, if Kroenke owns 62.89% he has no obligation to take any notice of Red & White Holdings.

This is almost ‘fluff’ around the edges. The final two assurances given are the ones which have been at the forefront of any discussions,

— it is their current intention that, if the Offer becomes or is declared unconditional, they will continue to support and adhere to the self-sustaining business model hitherto pursued by the Board of Arsenal;

— the Offer will not be funded by way of any debt finance (banks loans, payment in kind loans or other debt or quasi-debt interest bearing obligations) for which the payment of interest on, repayment of or security for any liability (contingent or otherwise) will depend on the business of Arsenal.

In other words, the debt-loaded model of the Glazers has not been followed. Yet in confirming that the self-sustaining model of business will continue to pursued, KSE is making no commitment to investing in the club. We need to be quite clear about this. So far, the only beneficiaries of any investment in Arsenal that Stan Kroenke has made, have been the shareholders who have sold their shares to him.

The club has seen no funding. No debt has been paid off and reading the official notice, none is intended to be.

With no promise of this in the future, the clamour for Wenger to spend is not going to be sated by the owner’s money being put at risk. No guarantees of a Β£50m signing. No guarantees that ArsΓ¨ne is going to be forced to spend any moneys at all. In other words, this is business as usual.

The question is forming, why is Kroenke doing this? He has been in a co-ownership situation before with a ‘sporting franchise‘. Quite what relationship he has with Usmanov, if any, remains to be seen. If he pays a dividend, which must be more likely with a single owner that plural shareholders, I dare say that Red & White and KSE will have a very cordial relationship.

Perhaps this is motivated by a desire of the Board to see Usmanov blocked from owning the club. This might be a permanent realisation of that dream; it might just be a temporary barricade on that particular road.

One thing is for certain. If Arsenal becomes owned by one or two individuals, the model of plural ownership as we have seen it, is gone. Whether that is permanent or not remains to be seen but appears highly likely.

And this is where the doubts about motivation arise. KSE has other sports interests and there is no question that Kroenke is a fan of sport. But this is not an act of philanthropy. He is investing his money to earn a return. If successful, he has seen that the business model can generate returns.

Whether that impacts on the playing side remains to be seen. At this moment in time, he is the lesser of two evils. There are too many unanswered questions, answers that are not going to be forthcoming in a short space of time. Until they do, we are struggling to make a good judgement over whether KSE’s offer is good for Arsenal.

The problem is that by the time they come, it might be too late.

’til Tomorrow.

Posted on April 11, 2011, in Arsenal, Football, Premier League, Premiership, Soccer. Bookmark the permalink. 157 Comments.

  1. The fact that he wants the current board to remain in place seems to be a good thing.

  2. Arsene seems to have a good relationship with Stan as well, but I still cant help feeling that something has been lost from our club that set us apart from the rest of the clubs. That is tradition, the Hill-Woods, the Bracewell-smiths and the Friars have been at the very heart of Arsenal for years and to see the club bought out feels like the end of an era. Still that is not to say that this is not the beginning of a new one.

  3. drew10

    I find it distinctly disappointing that some members of the Board are not being cleared out, Hill-Wood for one.

    YW

  4. oh i dont know that wont happen Yogi, just not the right time to do it now i reckon – what with a few games to go in the season – summer is the time to tie it all up and make the changes

  5. Good balanced post as usual Yogi !

    I actually agree with you on PHW but realistically – even if this was the plan – shrewd Stan K would not have made such an announcement at this point in time and let the dust settle a bit before making Board room changes don’t you think ?

  6. YW,
    Have to disagree. The Hill-Wood’s have been a steady if unspectacular hand on the tiller for years. during that time we have always played top level football. Something which Man Ure, Liverpool and the N17 hillbillies can’t say. he stands for continuity and for a business model which works for the long term. I want my football club to be around for my grandchildren and great grandchildren, should I be so blessed, to enjoy. Some new boy on the block coming in to splash short term money around but effectively asset strip the club does not support this aspiration. Hill-Wood knows this and has sought to piut in place as solid a barrier to this as is possible. I see no reason why we should change the board at all….

  7. breath of fresh air..
    most definately…
    and i dont care what hes said about PHW that mans a liability as well as a complete and utter muppet…
    i hope hes gone…

  8. Yes. I think that sooner or later young Mr Grace will fade away. Really the Bracewell-Smiths and Carrs etc managed the club in a very unexciting way and certainly did not carry on the work of Henry Norris and Herbert Chapman for long. If anything the club is moving back towards its most successful model. Hurrah.

  9. In terms of ownership the last ten years has seen the club in transition. The multiple ownership thing was always unstable and a move towards single ownership or at least ‘control’ was always on the cards. Entropy.

  10. Alisher needs an avenue to launder his dirty money. He sis an ogligarch you know. He won’t give up the shares unless he gets an alternate laundry service

  11. The change in ownership provides nothing more than the current stability. Possible volatility comes from the Bracewell Smith shares up for grabs and Fizman ready to shuffle off from this mortal coil, Kronke offers nothing more than than the stability of the same, which is no bad thing.

    Consequently, it will provide no change in management structure, no change in buying or selling poicy, no additional funds, no lesser funds, no paying off or increasing the current debt, all will remain exactly the same.

  12. I’m pretty comfortable with Kroenke taking over for one key reason: he’s been at the club for fours years. He’s not somebody who has stepped in at short notice, this has been coming for quite a while.

    http://www.arsenalisation.com

  13. I don’t have an opinion on the board.
    In order to form one I shall read the opinions of others.
    Hmm. It seems that Frank (who is a supporter of Arsenal) thinks it’s a good thing. It also seems Jon Jon (who opens his mouth and where others might speak he just allows excrement to fall out) thinks it’s a good thing.
    So i can’t possibly agree with jon jon as I support Arsenal but I can’t possibly disagree with Frank.
    I’ll go back to watching football and not stress the stuff I can’t change.

  14. drew10 – I agree that it seems like the end of an era but, sadly, nothing is forever. The world changes and the biggest danger is often faced by those who do not change with it. I suspect that this change was inevitable, as soon as the Board fell out with Lady Nina. Her 16% of shares have been on the market for months. Also, with Danny Fiszman’s failing health, who would take his 16% – probably better Stan Kroenke, who does seem to want to keep stability at Arsenal, as opposed to Usmanov or some other unknown billionaire.

    Time will tell but I think this was more or less inevitable.

  15. this is the way forward
    the multi owners have been at loggerheads for years, its affected us and wenger has carried the can in many ways…
    thank god its coming to an end
    we can finally move forward as a club and not be stuck in the mud like we have for the passed few years…

  16. Ah now I disagree with that. I think that SK will be very happy to continue the steady progress of the last few years. We are about to enter a period of unprecedented success based upon AWs work and a sustainable business model. I think that the club will now move in all sorts of interesting directions. But first the EPL this season. We will win it.

    ….Arsenal…..

  17. Ask yourself the question why Stan has taken over the club.If nothing is really going to change.There must be a reason behind it

    Agree with YW its not a good sign that Stan is happy that Hill-Wood is to remain as chairman.He should be fired

  18. I think it should be appreciated what Peter Hill-Wood has done for Arsenal, how can you call the man a liability when he has overseen the most successful era in the clubs history.

    What everyone has to realise is that all the current board are Arsenal fans and yes the disquiet in the boardroom of late has been a concern but at least our club was/is run by people who live and breathe Arsenal.

  19. Limestonegunner

    I am sure Stan Kroenke lives and breathes Arsenal.

  20. stan wants to globalise us…
    he’ll make his money that way…
    american sports are not easy to globalise outside of america
    other than the superbowl nobody outside the US gives a shit about grid iron or hockey or whatever
    everybody loves football
    stan will get his american team on the baord it will be run the same under wenger and he will conquer america with us make us their favorite team and smash the back doors off the market…
    its going to be ok stop worrying..
    tv deals, PPV rights, may even see arsenal on box office πŸ˜‰ shit like that we are set for good times..
    go stan go….

  21. PHW has done fuck all for arsenal…
    his dad was the key player and after him it was david dien and danny fismann who pushed the club forward
    fuck PHW hes a muppet…he just inherited daddys shares and then sat smug and pompus in his chair being a prick..

  22. he hasnt over seen shit hes had no shares for years he was just kept to make it look like we were keeping with tradition cos of his dad every time hes opened his gob the rest of them have muzzled him…

  23. Limestonegunner

    Kelvin’s question is a good one, and I wonder why it is happening now.

    I am relieved that the club won’t be saddled with debt–that really is good news.

    I also wonder what all these interesting directions might be. Clearly overseas summer tours are on the cards. Online sale of matches through the separate Arsenal media company that Kroenke has a 50% share in, perhaps. Yesterday someone mentioned the new tv deal might be structured differently–if Arsenal can sell it’s home games indepenently that will be a bonanza. What else?

    It will be interesting to watch further developments.

  24. get rid of phw and the rest of them
    get all those american cats on the board so we can be commercialised properly and get david dien to run the thing over here..with AW in charge of team affairs…
    sorted..back to the good old days… πŸ˜‰

  25. I’d imagine that Kroenke doesn’t want to give the wrong impression by making any major changes (i.e. Hill-Wood) immediately. That’s understandable and a wise move.

    http://www.arsenalisation.com

  26. I can only imagine that the timing is linked with Lady Nina wanting to offload her family’s shares, and possibly that DF is physically no longer able to take an active interest. One of the current major shareholders had to make bids for those blocks, or else they allow another party to join the fun.

  27. I don’t think it will make much difference to the running of the club. And as such, I don’t feel that strongly about it.

  28. somehow I can see Van Persie doing the asme (justifiably):

    http://myespn.go.com/s/conversations/show/story/snet-905611

  29. same*

  30. King Salami

    Your definitive statements are fine except for two things.

    1. I don’t for one minute believe there won’t be a dividend paid. KSE are paying a high price for the shares and whilst the current owners will make x thousands per share, he cannot rely on the same fortune. This means lesser funds.

    2. There is an indication to the board that he will not load the club with debt for the buyout. Yet he will not – and cannot – guarantee debt will not increase in the future.

    The saving grace with both of those is that Fifa’s new rules may preclude an excesses.

    Yw

  31. Drew10

    Hill-Wood may have been Chairman but The Emirates would not have been built without Danny Fiszman and Arsene would not have joined had Dein not badgered the Board into it.

    YW

  32. Anybody who wants to know more about Fiszman’s absolutely vital role at the club should read the book ‘Arsenal’ (with an accent above the ‘e’ which I can’t do on this keyboard). We should be extremely grateful for his contributions.

    http://www.arsenalisation.com

  33. Like to share a post I just saw on the Guardian.co.uk blog that really made me laugh.

    “HK1234
    11 April 2011 10:55AM
    Kroenke looks like Wenger with a tache. Have you seen those two in room…”

    hahahahahaha…

  34. Great to see us winning again and the confidence and sparkle returning (in the first half, anyway – I’ve yet to see the second.).

    I agree with Drew10. What has PHW done or failed to do, which would deserve a sacking? Unless there is a very good reason to turf out the current chairman of the board, continuity is surely preferable and more like Arsenal. And of all the board members, PHW has by far the least financial interest in a sale, so he must genuinely believe this is the better option – or the lesser of two evils. as I see it.

    My main worry is that this means money leaving the club and ending up in SK’s pockets. It’s just not credible that he would invest so many tens of millions and not want some income from that. Although it’s good to see the commitment not to execute a leveraged buyout, it makes it more likely that he will start to pay himself a dividend – he may not directly load the club with debt, but if he borrows any of the money to pay for his share purchases, he will probably want more out of Arsenal to service the interest payments.

  35. @ Henristic
    Wenger looks like Kroenke? Can’t see that at all.

    @ goonerandy
    Some good points in that article but the “solution” is simplistic.

  36. (For me) His ownership of American sports franchises to now purchasing Arsenal, would be similar to running a kiosk, selling warm pretzels (in Camden, New Jersey) to buying an upscale restaurant with international reputation in the heart of London. This sort of puts him on the map. Why has Lebron James invested in Pool?

    I believe Arsenal can and will have a larger marketing brand than ManU, Barca, Real, Inter, and AC.

    That is what Americans do best – build brands. (Please, Americans do many other things that fall outside the complimentary column…..but I’m focusing on product and services.)

    Through media and specifically the internet, the Arsenal market and potential fan base is untapped. Can any of us visualize where sports marketing will be in five years?

    The business at hand is staying focused…….Pool is next.

  37. Yogi,

    Perhaps you’re right, Kronke may draw a healthy dividend and he may sadle the club with additional debt at some stage, but then again he may not, it’s just conjecture.

    My thoughts would be, to gain the full support of the board, KSE would probably have had to agree to forego dividends either for a period of time or until such time that the club reaches a defined financial position.

    As for the prospect of potential debt at some undefined stage in the future, this is no different to the clubs current position.

    My belief remains that there will be no tangible difference to the club.

  38. I have heard from a very reliable source in the US that Stan Kroenke’s plan for the Club involves replacing PHW with Jay-Z as Arsenal Chairman (Arsenal through and through) but he decided to delay the announcement for obvious PR reasons…

  39. im not worried..
    we either
    A..let usmanov get his dirty filthy cunty bastardy hands on our club and turn us into chelsea?? (do we really want that?)
    B..keep with the current owners who ran out of steam and ideas years ago (seems the move took everything out of them)
    C..have a change in owners with fresh ideas, keep with the model and carry on with what we were doing in the knowledge we are been run properly and not left in auto pilot..

    fismann (bless him) and dein were the brains behind everything arsenal stands for today..nobody else…and they are gone and going in one way or another…
    so who takes over???
    nobody??
    or somebody who has been connected with the club for the last few years, has links to dein, fismann and AW, and knows how to run a sports franchise (6 of them) properly and not make it a dirty cheating shitty outfit like those boys in blue???

    my moneys on C…

  40. Great to be back in the win column. We have gotten 6 points from the last 4 league games and the next 4 games will be much tougher then the previous 4 so hopefully we can get at least 10 points from the next fixtures. 12 would be ideal.

    Not sure what the whole ownership thing means any more then any of us. Hopefully it will mean more money available to the club for squad upgrades. Even more important hopefully someone will gently persuade the powers that be to actually spend the money that is available. Hopefully Kronke in it for the long term and he will not be concerned about the short term share price and that can make the concern for a squeaky clean balance sheet less of a pressing issue. Doubt he will turn into a true sugar daddy and anyone who hopes we try to sign Messi or Ronaldo is probably not going to be happy. Perhaps Kronke and the “new board” will be motitvated to make the fans happier and spend a little more money this summer and may be even bring in a big name or 3 just to get off on the right foot with the fans.

  41. As long as we don’t start doing crazy things like forking out Β£10m for rubbish players like Francis Jeffers I’ll be happy. Oh…

    http://www.arsenalisation.com

  42. Tough games against “pool, Spuds and the Mancs will decide our season – I think, hoping we don’t under perform against the teams we ought to beat. The mancs may have it easier. Apart from us they meet Chelsea. But never worry I’ll see a good Kenyan witchdoctor to take care of that!

  43. See, Tim, that happens when we spend!

  44. I don’t recall that Henry bloke coming through the ranks though.

  45. Do you mean Thierry Henry?
    If so you’ll find that he was coached as a teenager for a few years, maybe more, by a manger we all know.

  46. jeffers came in the same season as pires, edu and wiltord and many others
    wenger went out and spent 35mil in one summer
    some where hits and some where misses but we won the league the year after

  47. Heh. Don’t forget Richard Wright.
    Released from his contract (if it was the same Richard Wright mentioned on the radio) by his current club this past weekend.

  48. Two maybe three sigings?
    Hmmm…..Let me think.
    Like Nasri, Vermaelan and Koscielny. How about that?
    OK. Ok. Calm down. They weren’t all made in one go. I know. I know.
    Terrible, isn’t it.

    How about Koscielny, Scezeny, and say…Wilshere all promoted the first eleven in one go.
    I guess that some ‘fans’ *coughs* have not been following this team with much focus or attention this season.
    Ah well. You win some. You lose some.

  49. FG@12.40,
    Its not that they look alike. I don’t see a resemblance either.
    What I find hilarious is the very idea that AW and Kroenke could be one and the same person. That’s practically the average doomers worst nightmare πŸ™‚

    I can think of a few internet personalities who might literally harm themselves if that were anything close to being true

  50. The squad probably needs freshening up a bit to be fair. I can see a couple of players leaving in the summer (Almunia, Bendtner, Vela) and hopefully some new faces. Don’t need to be huge signings mind, but definately players who could stake a claim in the 1st 11.

    I would like to see us bring in somebody to pressure Song for his place as well.

  51. Henristic

    >I can think of a few internet personalities who might literally harm themselves if that were anything close to being true

    So we’ve found the major positive already.

    YW

  52. YW,

    “At this moment in time, he is the lesser of two evils. ”

    I agree and let’s not forget that with the shares that are about to become available (via her lady and Fitz), the gangster stands as a frightening alternative. If this also put paid to Red & WHite holdings that would be even better.

  53. I think exciting times are ahead. A owner who will not take money nor needlessly give it to an arsenal model in sustaining by it’s self. Get rid of useless tests like phw and bring in Dein a real football fan. He apparently went to shake each players hand after matches and brought over our finest history of players.

  54. It is incredible how many delusionals think Dein is coming back, conveniently forgetting that he burned his bridges with the Board, Kroenke and Usmanov. In other words, the major shareholders at the club.

  55. dgob
    hes already bought the shares…they are no longer available and there was a lockdown agreement anyway between all the shareholders that stopped any of them selling to usmanov..
    kroenke was the winner all along..
    usmanov now either fucks off with his tail between his legs or he stays put with zero say in the club (which he wont like seeing as though he has almost 30% stake. thats a huge percentage of something to give you nothing isnt it??)
    the only way usmanov is in is if kreonke buys up the shares and then sells to usmanov for a profit or is if he invites usmanov onto the board…
    but something tells me danny and nina wouldnt have sanctioned the sale of their shares if kroenke had such intentions and something tells me kreonke wants the club to himself…as well as a percentage on the fanshare
    so usmanovs pretty much fucked..in financial technical takeover terms πŸ˜‰

  56. Dein is not coming back. Nor should we want him back.

  57. Actually Usmanov might well stay put because if Kroenke declares a dividend at any time, and Usmanov still holds shares, the Uzbek gets the same amount of money per share as KSE. For doing nothing.

  58. Any word on how our beloved Shotta-G is doing?

  59. thats a good point and you may well be right but usmanov has stated he doesnt need the money..
    i dont think he cares about what his shares are worth..
    he just wants the club to play with…

    if he stays then fair enough..its still not his club, hes got no say and it stops kreonke from ploughing any debts into us…

    but why would he stay when he has no say and he doesnt need the money from dividends..

    surely it would be better to sell up and go buy someone else…??

    maybe??

  60. JJ

    Well this thing about debts is dubious. Whilst the club may stay debt free – meeting Uefa regulations – there is nothing to stop KSE borrowing money and then taking huge dividends to service the debt. That is not a win-win situation.

    YW

  61. Before he goes into all the home games DD still chats and shakes hands with every one just outside the stadium where Young Mr Grace has his pre-match fag though, YW. I suspect that he is not as much an outsider as some would want us to believe.

  62. anything to do with board rooms and takeovers are dubious YW…
    we should know that by now..
    i can understand everyones reservations on this…(apart from those who wanted usmanov, id rather us be skint forever playing in the conference league for the next 20 years than have him take us over, at least we’d still have a club in 20 years)
    we’ll just have to wait and see what he does when hes got his feet under the table but i dont think much will change to be honest..
    but at least there will actually be someone in charge..

  63. Didn’t seem to have much affection for the club when he tried to force their arm though did he? And when he didn’t get his way he sold his shares to that that great turd looking Russian with the massive head.

    Do we want him back? No thanks.

  64. DD is a politician, nothing more. Clegg shook plenty of students hands before doing exactly the opposite of what he said. Smiles and handshakes mean nothing.

  65. usmanov using the trophy line to get him in..
    we desperate mate but we not that desperate..
    footballs a sport..the sports in winning fairly…nobody wants your performance enhancing drugs…
    as frank would say
    fuck off.. πŸ˜‰

  66. Blessings on you all!

    Maybe the club could do with some freshening up. So lets win the PL and get a good rest during the offseason, that should have us fresh for next season.

    I would love to see Hazard at the team, just because he seems an Arsenal type.

    I rather like the look of the team, each year you can see a different level of maturity. We keep getting closer to the dominant force that we will be.

    Arsenal!!!

  67. That is appears to be the received wisdon, goonerandy.

  68. However everyone has praised the multiple ownership model, so what harm the Usmanov deal has done is debatable, and of course all the Kroenke detractors at the club are now fawning over him. Fiszman and Lady Nina will be very happy with DDs work since they will have made a fortune out of it. Danny Fiszman never did explain why he started selling his own shares btw.

    AND

    We will need a politician in the new world of cup football. I doubt if he will return in an official capacity at Arsenal, though I would have no problem with it. But he may well be out there pressing the flesh in Europe.

  69. goonerandy
    we dont know what happened…
    the rest of the baord said they would never sell…
    but they lied…
    so what went on and who screwed who we’ll never know for sure but i dont think deins the bad guy everyone seems to think…
    i think he knew we were going to sell from the start as well as the rest so rather than wait 5 years he wanted to get the new guy in there and then but the board thought the timing was wrong cos the share prices were shit and they said bye bye..
    usmanov indeed got his shares from dein but dein got his shares from PHW who loves arsenal very very much…
    and kreonke got his shares from itv orignially so with or without dein, kroenke was in…
    we can all say dein sold us down the river but did he??was he just trying to speed up the inevitable??

  70. I have no opinion on Stan Kroenke, or US ownership, or even the current owners. I don’t believe in or even like brands or big business that football has become. I just like the way Arsenal play, the way Wenger manages, and the mainly ethical way the club has been run. Hope ACLFers are not losing hope after a trying period. We are still the best, you know it. We prefer to do things the hard way. The season has more twists and turns to come.

  71. It does.

  72. Personally I don’t like Dein. I think the way he conducted himself in the whole situation stinks to be honest.

    That said, if him coming back was benifical for the club as a whole I would be all for it. Nobody is bigger than the club; the players, the manager, the board. The club is where my support lies.

    Can’t see it though.

  73. Robert er Peston er says er that errrrrrrrrr Usman eerrrr ov is hoppering mad about the sale of er shares to errrrrr Kroenke., and will not be errrrr selling his own errrr shares and that he errrrrr wanted to eerrrrr bid for the club his er self.

    Of course Rober Peston is an Arsenal supporter BUT all this information comes from an unnamed source and of course it would be interesting if Usmanov really will hold on to his shares if he gets wind that the share price is about to eeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrr drop.

  74. By the way, how are you all? Well I trust. Keeping strong? Hope so. ManU will drop points, perhaps unexpectedly, you know this. It will be close.

  75. Hi ZimPaul

  76. If SK could get Arsenal to the US that would be kool.

  77. Zim – I agree. I have no doubt Manure will drop points, my worry is own own habit of also dropping stupid points.

    Liverpool and the Spuds are our next games. Both tough games where we could easily come unstuck. It would be a shame if we got to the Manure game if there was no pressure on them to get a result against us.

  78. I assume you mean for a game, Paul N?

  79. Correct Frank. Quite a few of the other team make yearly visits, it would be nice if I could see my team play and show the US what real football looks like.

  80. ZP, whats up bro!

  81. Hey, Paul N. I meant to say this earlier… you just reminded me…

    American Arsenal brethren, get yourself over to Dallas and root for our U-19s in the Dallas Cup this Sunday! You know it makes sense!

    http://www.dallascup.com/Ticketsales/index_E.html

  82. ….and you can get Pizza and Dr Pepper at throw away prices, LimparAssist. Got to be good. I would certainly throw it away if someone offered me such fare.

  83. The entire thing looks unnervingly ‘incorporated’, Frank. Thinking about the Pizza Hut Stadium though, reminded me of this rather nice cartoon:

  84. Kool Limestone! cant make it this weekend, I will see what can happen for the later matches though.

  85. Interesting quote from Jamie Carragher that I read today. Seems like the players like the excitement of adding new players to the squad as much as fans.

    “I think there will be a feelgood factor going into the summer and the start of next season,” said the veteran defender.”

    “As players we have to look after ourselves and do our own job but we are like supporters as well, we love to see top players coming to the club and hopefully that will be the case.”

    Depending on results the rest of the year, having some “feel good” come our way this summer might do the players as much or even more good then it would do for the fans.

  86. Aren’t you from Dallas, Bill?

  87. “…we love to see top players coming to the club…”

    Not just adding players.

    Pool want to get back to the top.

    Not that adding players isnt good but there is more than just adding players as far as Pool are concerned.

  88. Alex Ice Cream

    Arsenal have needed some change at board level for some time now so hopefully this will move us forward. We have stagnated in terms of progress especially commercially so I am hopeful that this will be a positive move. Let’s face it, it was either Stan or Usmanov so I am glad that its Stan Usmanov has been convicted of both fraud and rape (both quashed) but far worse than that, he’s a ManU fan.

    Danny Fiszman is very ill and has put his assets in trusts for his children. Let’s hope he recovers.

  89. “Hey everyone hope you are all a bit happier with yesterday’s result I know we all were……and for the record I’m really very happy at Arsenal.”
    From Jack’s FB. Is that basically him saying f*ck you to Man City? Wasn’t there a report about a 40 mil bid flying around?

  90. great, yet another club with a sugar daddy. Arsenal is now officially a brand on the lines of Pepsi and Levise, the players are our models that sells the Arsenal merchandise. It has always been that way i know, but with AWs line of self sufficiantnes and his idealism it always felt like somehting more. It always felt like a club that depsite the odds still did rather well. Now we will be just another chelsea or city. A club that buy our ways to succcess. Who needs homegrown talent when you can buy the rooneys and Rios of the world or the Luizes and Torres.
    Kroenk knows that aslong he delivers trophies most fans dont care who plays on their team. And certainly not wheter he is an arsenal boy or not.
    Its not about loyalty, its about trophies, its not about cheering for arsenal because they are arsenal and taking the good with the bad. It is about trophies.

    We will surly get our trophies with Kroenk as a main owner, he will give us the funds to buy the players we need, but he will also take away alot of the pride i have of being an arsenal fan.
    We are(or were)currently the only top 4 team without a sugar daddy, the only top 6(?) team that is more or less self suffuciant, we still compete and we still do great compared to other self sufficiant clubs.
    Now we will buy trophies like everybody els. like Chelsea and United,where is the pride in that??
    We will get our trophies but they will be a result of Kroenks money.

  91. Limpar @ 5:01:

    Not in Dallas itself but what we call the Dallas/Fort Worth metroplex.

  92. Metroplex. Fucking hell. Well, you should get down to watch the U-19s if you can.

  93. Poodle @ 5:27:

    Life is so unfair sometimes!!

    Obviously no way to know but I would guess a token gesture or 2 this summer to make the fans and players happy but mostly business as usual.

  94. Yogi’s Warrior | April 11, 2011 at 10:17 am |

    drew10

    I find it distinctly disappointing that some members of the Board are not being cleared out, Hill-Wood for one.

    YW
    ===
    One step at a time YW, if Stan takes over then yank’s (bun intended) Hill-Wood and the board out at the same time, the media would blow it into a Kroenke hostile takeover etc., etc….

    It’s better this way, Stan proved to be patient, Arsene is so patient, and this is how things should be done.

  95. Limpar:

    Not my issue but many who do not live in Dallas proper do not want to give the city that much credit. Fort Worth residents do have a bit of a jealousy issue with being told they are from Dallas.

    Did not know anything about the U19s. ? Details when/ where or a web site to look them up if you have it. Thanks.

  96. Metroplex???? Oh fucking hell what have we bin and gone and done.

  97. Yeah, posted a link at 4.44pm

  98. I wonder if we might have our U19s play in the new doublet and hose kit in the Dallas Metroplexitudiness. You know, the old history trick. Might earn a bob or two. Americans are probably wise to it now though, I would think.

  99. Yogi,
    A very interesting and well thought out post as usual.

    I think that although no talk of further investment in the team is specifically mentioned … I honestly don’t think that that necessarily means that there’d be no new investment for players and / or the team. As you say Kronke is a businessman with a clear idea of how the business of Sport works and, therefore, he must know that success breeds success and that everyone wants to be associated with the winners… when those winners can be shown to have done things more or less the right way, as we are, then the urge to be associated with a brand like ours would be enormous and very profitable for him and Usmanov too.

    I think that what he means by keeping to the self sustaining model is that buying a big name for loads of pounds is not going to happen and in any event may not be really what the team needs (IMHO the team don’t need a huge name player but that’s my opinion). I think that there has to be some judicious pruning and an injection of some new blood and that process will need money and investment in the summer but I don’t think that it will be a ManCity or Chelsea kind of money or anything near it …

    On Kronke… I know next to nothing about the guy other than what one can glean from press releases and what not on the internet… but I still feel able to say that he appears a very canny operator given the way he was introduced by Dein (the board were mostly hostile to him at the outset) and then turned the whole fiasco around to become almost an insider … and now majority shareholder. If I’m not mistaken Kronke has said that Dein misrepresented the position and state of the Arsenal Board to him when he bought the Granada shares… If that is true, how likely is it that Kronke would want Dein back?

  100. Alex Ice Cream…

    You are just repeating an internet trope. We have not really stagnated at all commercially because of the board. We are tied into long term deals that were front loaded at the time to give us the money to build our stadium. what would you have done at the time? Especially given the difficulty we had convincing the bankers that the Stadium was a very viable and credit worthy project. People have such short memories… remember the crazy interest rates that RBS imposed on us that were only renegotiated when the stadium was finished and seen to be a success. Our board deserves every true fan’s respect for the way they have conducted things on the whole. Liverpool need a stadium, Spurs need a stadium and none of those teams have delivered… and of those teams who have built comparative tin cans like Southampton and Coventry… the have often suffered relegation.. none of you moaners ever acknowledge any of this. It annoys and staggers me the amount of ingratitude and, to be blunt, stupidity there is about what has been achieved these last six years amongst some Arsenal fans…. it’s as if all that matters are baubles. Jeez.

  101. @Dgob from last night/this morning; Thanks man, no probs!

  102. The duplicitnous of the Arsenal Board members is matched only by the fickleness and gullibility of its ‘fans’. I would not put any faith in any of the stories about shareholder dealings over the last few years, even if you heard it from the horses mouth. The fact is though that every shaker and mover at Arsenal has been brought to the club by DD. He still attends games and don’t imagine that he does not have very lengthy conversations with every Board member and shareholder, as well as AW.

  103. Farkin ell what the fuck is ‘duplictnous’. Blind as a fucking bat, just pressing random keys. Cataracts, Alzheimer’s, paranoid delusions and fucked knees. Apart from that everything is going swimmingly.

  104. Apparently, Lady Nina Bracewell-Smith turned down an offer of Β£13k per share last night from Usmanov.

    YW

  105. Arsenalnation

  106. Limestonegunner

    Frank, you seem to have a strongly positive view of DD. Wasn’t he in favor of Arsenal playing at Wembley? Didn’t he think we needed a billionaire patron to help us compete with Chelsea, ManU etc…? As a result he tried to bring in Kroenke but fell out with the board who ended up embracing Kroenke and then partnered with Usmanov’s Red and White but somehow fell out with them. Why did he sell his shares? How has he maintained these close relations with board members, shareholders and AW despite all this? It is hard to make sense of this. What is the story here and do you think there is a chance he will come back in some capacity? What would he bring to the club at this point? Genuinely interested.

  107. Limestonegunner

    YW, why would she turn down a higher price from Usmanov after being pushed out of the board (and why was she on the outs with the board anyway?)? Perhaps Frank is right–no one will reveal what has really been happening.

  108. ive just heard yogi
    well done nina
    could that have anything to do with the lockdown YW??

  109. She has released a statement praising KSE’s willingness to hold onto AFCs traditions. Don’t forget her late husband’s family have been at Arsenal for many decades.

    Also, she could have sold to Usmanov at any time beforehand and didn’t. She’s looking at Β£100m for her shares – how much money do you need?

    http://blogs.news.sky.com/kleinman/Post:b89be6c2-05a3-47fd-b8e8-7ffde76419ef

    YW

  110. Limestonegunner, again received wisdom has it that DD suggested that we move to Wembley. Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t. But if he did, it was probably an idea worth considering in the context of a strategic discussion about increasing revenues. In fact if you work the idea through considering the enormous task of building a new stadium (which I would add was remarkably successful as a development project) it might well have worked. For me like him or not he was responsible for the modern Arsenal. Even brought DB10 to the club, as well as AW, DF, SK, AU etc. His vision for G14 may yet work and there is no doubt that SKs interest in ownership and development of digital content chimes with DDs views on world club football. There is more at stake here than meets the eye and I reckon it is going to be fascinating. Arsenal are really at the forefront of a massive change in football. Very exciting indeed.

  111. Still, a very positive message from her yogi. Plus most rich people want to be, well, richer.

    She deserves some respect for making a choice like that which, one assumes, was based on personal choice and integrity.

    Mind you, perhaps I am giving the super rich too much credit. I have no personal experience of wealth, nor of the pressures of family ‘honour’.

    Do we have to start spelling that wrongly now, by the way?

  112. Most of Lady Nina and her husband’s money goes to charity, that is why I named my horse after her or almost anyway.

  113. Yes, but your dog is named after a saying from Mao’s ‘Little Red Book’, what message can we glean from that!.

  114. The sky hack is trying to make another story out of Kroenke buying the club it seems. Usmanov never had a chance of buyingthose shares and if anything Dein looks even further out in the cold than he did after he sold his shares in his beloved club to the fat Uzbek.

    Looks like Lady Nina was always going to sell to Kroenke, or there has been some serious shmoozing going on!

  115. I am something of a political tart, perhaps?

  116. …and the sky hack would know, I suppose, Dexter?

  117. Nobody connected with football ever, ever tells the truth, or if they do it is buried so deep in lies that it is impossible to know it for what it is. Except AW and he just doesn’t tell you rather than lies. Good man. BUT the npress and media never tell the truth. Not ever. Never.

  118. Course he would Frank, Sky’s integrity and journalistic acumen is beyond reproach.

  119. As CB would say…Extortion, Excrement, Misinformation, Bias or Fuck off.

  120. I agree with that Frank.

    Don’t watch the news, don’t read the papers, not without assuming that you are being fed bollocks.

  121. Thatsa healty attitude to take where the news gathering/muck spreading outlets are concerned Bob.

  122. You can’t buy class, Thank you Lady Nina. Not only for not being greedy but also for going against the wishes of Le Groan’s biggest troll of all.

    Now he says he’s OK with Stan Kroenke…Make up your mind Dorkus.

  123. Limestonegunner

    YW, that’s very encouraging from Lady Nina.
    Frank, thanks for that. I’ve always liked DD and wish he had been chosen to head the FA. Talk about an organization that needs to join modernity…

  124. Whatever one’s views on ownership, and I am at one with those who would have preferred a plurality of the same, it must be a good thing to move out of the uncertainty that has surrounded the Board over the past couple of years.

    It is hard to see that any other outcome was possible, given the health of Fiszman and the sideling of Lady Nina, than a takeover from either of the two majority shareholders.

    Come on Stan. Wear the colours. Lead on. Show us the vision to build on what we have achieved over the last 100 years.

  125. I have no knowledge of what ‘sideling’ means and deny that it contains any sexual suggestion at all, much less that lady Nina would have any interest in such an act, should it even exist.

  126. So I heard that we have the second best defence in the league?

  127. I thought we all agreed not mention Lady Nina’s sideling thing?

  128. I hope you haven’t jeopardised the deal with that slip, CB.

  129. One can only hope for the famed discretion of the contibutors to this site, Frank.

    Bollocks!

  130. We go on to win the league this season..
    ..People would say Stan is a business genius, bought the club at the right time.

  131. I think CBob meant Lady Nina sideling as what is known in the horse-world as saddling?

    Dig yourself out CBob

  132. Bradys right foot

    Just watched Liverpool totally destroy Man City, weve got our hands full on Sunday.There a bit patchy away from home and were awful last time out against West Brom. Have to say Suarez looks an exceptional footballer.

  133. BRF, City is not that good without Tevez either.

  134. Really looking forward to the game on Sunday

  135. Bradys right foot

    Paul N, I agree m8 Tevez is a huge loss and city are grinders in many respects. They rely on a physical presence and a bit of guile from Silva or Tevez. But Liverpool moved the ball incredibly quickly especially in the first half.

    Our rubbish defence has conceded as many goals as Citys who have the magnificent Kompany and the unbelievable Joe Harte, how is that possible.

  136. Suarez does look quite exceptional. Him and carroll make a good pairing up top. City looked lifeless. i thought it was funny that Balotelli gets subbed in around 16 minutes for Tevez, then gets taken off at about 75 minutes. big useless lump that guy.

  137. ‘The culture secretary, Jeremy Hunt, has urged Arsenal’s prospective new owner to retain and strengthen fans’ involvement in the club’s ownership structure’.

    Culture Secretary? Fans?

    HHHHHHaaaahahaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaahaaaaaa…uuuurrrghghhh….frakihhhhhain…hell….hhhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaHHHHHHHHaaaaaaaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH…oh dearie me

  138. Change of manager seems to have been the biggest plus for Pool. Suarez is full of skill, thats the truth. Should be an exiting match and I think one that will bring out the best in our team.

    Can you believe that BRF? only one team has a better defensive record than Arsenal and yet people will stil be saying that we lack in that area. Dumb as rocks some people.

  139. Can’t say I’m surprised about Suarez. Hated him because of what he did against Ghana in the WC but there was no doubt the guy would make it in any league in the world. He reminds me of David Villa. Quick, skillful and buckets loads of guile.

  140. I see some twat from the Grauniad is trying to shit stir that Kroenke might use AFCs money to finance the debt, even though there’s zero evidence of that whatsoever. Typical

  141. Limestonegunner

    Henristic, I felt the same way about his handball to deny Ghana. The way he celebrated Gyan’s miss in the tunnel, I thought showed poor taste. Then, to hear that he bit a player while at Ajax! Good player but I would have real qualms if he was on my team!

  142. Matt Scott has no qualifications and no knowledge when it comes to his column about Arsenal, Dexter. Just ignore the cunt.

  143. Which bit of the player did he bite, Limestonegunner?

  144. Limestonegunner

    Frank, Otman Bakkal’s shoulder v. PSV!

  145. Sounds about right FRank. Nytol!

  146. Shoulder of lamb is very nice if cooked well, Limestonegunner. Shoulder of long pork, raw? Naaaah not for me. I agree with you, the player is dodgy.

  147. so we are in the hands of a yank. well at least the team might employ the old shoot on site policy now.

  148. He bit someone? Why does anyone do that?

  149. Bradys right foot

    Frank m8 your right Matt Scotts a total plank. By the time chubes like him, Woolnoogh, MCCarra, Dunn, Cross, Winter, Custis, Hayward, Dickinson I could go on, realise whats going on in the premier league and draw breath in between mullering Wenger for not buying Cahill for Β£30 million, Stan will have sold the individual right to our home matches worldwide on an Arsenal platform or have used the threat of doing so along with the Glazers and Fenway Sports to fundamentally change the redistribution of money from the EPL.

    The level of football journalism is awful in this country, utter verbage passes as comment and analysis and the written word is literally a dump on a page. I can almost forgive that these guys are simply feeding the beast of 24hr coverage by shovelling shit, I get that. Its the fucking arrogance that these “journalists” have in their smug opinions, its incredible. Watching the Sunday suppliment is like watching four virgins teenage boys talking about sex the clowns arent self aware enough to be embarassed and have absolutely no idea what the fuck their talking about.

  150. So that’s why we played some of our CL games at Wembley in the late nineties. I always thought it was a horrible mistake to take our team out of Highbury’s tight pitch.

  151. G69 – the reason for playing at Wembley was to see if we could attract a large enough crowd to fill a new stadium.

  152. Limestonegunner

    BRF, Sunday supplement has to be the worst football show. Only one I can stomach is Patrick Barclay.

    Some fool from NOTW was saying we need 8 or 9 different first team players to compete with ManU and Chrlsea!! Hello, we are ahead of them!!

  153. You think journos are bad in england, check out this mope on FOX sports here in the US.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/england/story/stan-kroenke-background-arsenal-purchase-premier-league-sale-041111

  154. colney

    Excellent find. The guy is a senior writer at fox and has no understanding of football at all. Loved his ‘blueprint’ for the future of football. It ought to be required reading. For comedy writers.

    YW

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