Newcastle Preview: Win & Put Pressure On The Top

Seventy-nine years on this day, the two sides met at St James Park the hosts on that day winning by the odd goal in five. A similar result, this time in Arsenal’s favour, is required following Manchester United’s late winner yesterday. It would bring Arsenal to within two points of Chelsea and hoping for a favourable result at Anfield. The opening day draw can be put into some sort of context following the match this afternoon but to be honest, I am not expecting much for a Liverpool side distinguished from their predecessors by the poverty of talent.

In the league, Newcastle has emerged victorious at Goodison and Upton Park’s this season, picking up a point at Molineux. It is their first serious test away from home and comes ten days after Arsenal drubbed them at St James Park in the Carling Cup. Nothing can be read into that result in terms of today’s fixtures, the differences in both sides mean that they will, on paper at least, be stronger.

Arsene noted that he expected all of those who were fit before the Champions League distraction, to be available this afternoon. It would mean a line-up not too dissimilar to the one which eventually overcame West Ham. Indeed, the only alteration which seems to be a certainty is the restoration of Jack Wilshere to the starting XI ahead of Denilson. The England international’s return would add more urgency to the midfield, something which may be required in a home match against a team that will seek to stifle.

Wilshere is playing deeper that people expected but is not complaining, stating that he wants to be a mix of Liam Brady and Patrick Vieira. In other words, the complete midfielder,

Liam Brady is my role model. He has always been there in my career. He has helped me a lot and people have said I am a similar player to him.

I was on the books when Patrick was still here and I think the way he tackled and intercepted play is something I would add to my game.

Great expectations were placed on Wilshere’s shoulders before the start of the season and he has lived up to them. Like Walcott, he could do with adding goals to his game, one goal for his efforts so far seems scant reward. He acknowledges the help that he gets from Cesc, who has been through a similar process at the club, breaking into the first team at a young age with hopes of the future resting on his shoulders. Wilshere seems to be one who listens to such advice and with that his progress can continue unabated.

As much as the attack garners attention, the defence deserves praise. Since conceding against Birmingham, no English team has breached the backline, a situation which was not expected when Lukasz Fabianski took over from the injured Manuel Almunia. The Pole has not yet confirmed his place automatically but credit where it is due, he has proved most of us wrong so far. His displays have been confident, something at odds with last season as he acknowledges,

I have been through a difficult period, but that is life, that is football. You have to just keep working hard and hopefully it will pay off.

He has been helped by having a relatively settled back four in front of him and the fact that the two newcomers have adapted to English football quickly. Were either of Squillaci or Koscielny struggling for form, Fabianski might not have felt so confident in those in front of him.

One other change that Wenger will be contemplating surrounds who makes way for Theo Walcott. The obvious candidate is Samir Nasri, not on the basis of form more that since the win over Braga, he has played in every match bar the Carling Cup win over today’s visitors and has been substituted twice, both inside the last twenty minutes of the matches in Belgrade and at home to Shakhtar. A rest is due, although likely only to mean demotion to the bench in case Cesc suffers a flare-up of his hamstring injury.

Nasri has been outstanding, dominating against Tottenham at White Hart Lane and finding the net five times in subsequent league matches, as well as one in the Champions League. Bringing in Walcott does not diminish that goal threat as he has now got three in his eight games since returning from injury.

The starting XI I would expect this afternoon is with those in brackets replacements if the recoveries are not as quick as hoped:

Fabianski; Sagna, Squillaci, Koscielny, Clichy; Fabregas (Nasri), Song (Denilson), Wilshere; Walcott, Chamakh, Arshavin (Vela)

Whatever the case, a win is an absolute requirement. It’s a home match and strong form at The Emirates is the solid foundation upon which to build a title challenge.

Enjoy the match wherever you are watching it. ’til Tomorrow.

Posted on November 7, 2010, in Arsenal, Football, Premier League, Premiership, Soccer and tagged , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 287 Comments.

  1. First? Whoop whoop!

  2. Come on Walcott, score a screamer for me!

  3. There are no straightforward wins anymore but we really should be pushing a team like Newcastle aside with some degree of comfort.

    They must be keen to put the match mid week behind then convincingly.

  4. So Wenger has been a naughty boy has he!

  5. And, nice preview as always, Mr YW.



  7. Denilson is due a goal.

  8. I agree with the probable team and replacements. I’d settle for a 2-1 win today as the momentum at this moment has to be seen to reside with the Geordies. Our stamina levels (give and go) and concentration levels will be important factors. Of course, the the critical issue will be our clinicalness in front of goal and that could make it a 5-1 home win if everything clicks. Such is AFC


  9. The only good thing about a defeat is there is always another match coming up and we can start again, putting it all behind us. Thanks for that YW, a sane and sober preview as ever.
    I suspect many will be calling for Arsh to make way for Theo as he is increasingly coming into the doomers line of fire. Saviour to whipping boy. Ah it’s a ghastly business performing for some people.

  10. 1-0 to the Arsenal is good enough for me. At the moment, 3 points is all we need.

  11. Check the underground for closures if you are going today

  12. Van Persie may make the bench!

  13. Robin better not be on the bench, he’s only been back in full training a couple of days. Obvs the medical team know considerably more than I do but after seeing poor Owen Hargreaves last five minutes yesterday I don’t want to see anyone rushed back from injury. We shouldn’t be in a position today where RVP needs to come on and bail us out.

  14. Underneath Wenger’s sophisticated exterior there still lurks the footballer’s passion for well-upholstered trash.

  15. would be nice for him to get a 10 minute run out if were cruising though.

  16. You might want to read 7am Kick Off’s report on Mike Dean in charge of Arsenal games. If the situation is as bad as his stats appear to indicate, surely the club should be taking some kind of action.

  17. Nice preview Yogi & I think you`ve got the starting XI spot on

    An early goal or two for us would be a nice change today.

  18. Expect a hard fought win – for us! Worried by manutd. They are playing badly and are up there with us. As for Liverpool it exposes the speculative ways of the press. If they beat Chelsea they’ll be at 15 points and back in the race. If Mancity wins they talk of the genious of Mancini. I love blogs for they are more balanced.

  19. So does this explain why we havnt won anything for 5 years, coz Wenger has taken his eye off the ball!

  20. Newcastle are on a hot streak, we need three points. So I’ll be happy with any kind of win!

    @ hkm
    I read that article as well. It makes very worrying reading for us. We will simply have to rise above it and play a ref-proof game.

  21. In case it has not been noted, Ryan “not that kind of player” Shawcross, was red carded yesterday after 2 yellows against Sunderland. 😀

  22. I think 3-1 or 4-0. I would say 5-0 but it is so cold today and we don’t usually really open up on teams when it is quite this cold.

    With Nolan and Barton and Carroll and Smith – it could get messy. Hope the ref isn’t scared to dish some cards out at the first sign of violence. Nip it in the bud referee.

  23. FG, Wigan tickets go on general sale Friday, and to Reds at 1pm tomorrow. Finally a home draw!

  24. I suppose Wengers wife will not be supporting the “In Wenger we trust” brigade anymore then.

  25. He’s certainly had his mind on the balls, Duke. I’m not going to think about what he’s had his eye on.

  26. Give it up boys. No one’s going to bite on these purile rumours!

  27. Really – shut up about the tabloid nonsense.

  28. Bleeb team:

    * 21 Fabianski
    * 03 Sagna
    * 06 Koscielny
    * 18 Squillaci
    * 22 Clichy
    * 04 Fabregas
    * 08 Nasri
    * 14 Walcott
    * 17 A Song
    * 19 Wilshere
    * 29 Chamakh


    * 53 Szczesny,
    * 20 Djourou,
    * 27 Eboue,
    * 07 Rosicky,
    * 23 Arshavin,
    * 10 Van Persie,
    * 52 Bendtner

    Referee: It’s Mike Dean.
    If the 7am report didn’t scare you, then there’s another post on Untold by the ever reliable DogFace. I’ve always thought that Gallas did very well in that infamous incident, resisting the desire to deposit Dean head first into the centre circle spot.


  29. Recent scientific studies show that when a man watches a sports team they have a deep emotional connection to win it ups testosterone levels by 30%.

    Get ready for yours!

    No walk in the park today though I suspect. But a win is a must and a very likely outcome.

    Come on Arsenal!

  30. AA dropped by the looks of things and RVP makes bench… I guess if wenger knows he will play with holland its best he gets 20 mins today to warm him up. possibly counter productive if holand then actually think hes fit enough to play properly but it seems that if he can make the bench then he is training well and pretty much ready. In terms of keeping the players fitness on track it the next logical step but history speaks volumes.

    liking this strong lineup:

    fab – song – jack
    walcott- chamakh-nasri

  31. Let’s get ready to ruuuumble!

  32. bloody el steww you sound like my wife.

  33. That was not Fabianski’s fault.

  34. It was only a matter of time.

  35. here we go…

  36. there was no one there….if Fabianski hadn’t have come out then Carrol would have been clean on to it. As it happened he still got there second…but why wasn’t there anyone in front of Carrol?

  37. i know deano here we go with fabs mistakes again. i feel ya.

  38. Dammit – streams anyone; my Chinese one has gone..thx!

  39. I think Fabianski could’ve done better there. I think he mistimed his jump and Carroll got infront of him.

  40. We are being far far too over elaborate in the final third….that and unlucky. Plenty of time to go…

  41. I agree with Deano, though. Not having a defender put pressure on Carroll made Fabianski’s job that much harder.

  42. Fu!king carrol and guess what the tagline on the channel am watching is,carrol!t!conceeding a goal just before half time is always a downer.fabrigas is not himself today.hope 2nd half we pick ourselves up n go on to win.

  43. We need a big second half from the boys. Come on guys, make my sunday a good one.

  44. Cesc gave the ball away cheaply and has been doing so quite often this match.

    Its hard to blame fabianski on that one, carroll was allowed to get behind the defense.

  45. Yah, Fl. Cesc’s timing is a bit out of sorts. I hope we get it clicking in the second half and get a couple of goals to seal the three points.

  46. What happend to Cesc? he hasnt played so well the last couple of games and it effects the team greatly.

  47. Sagna gave away the freekick, Chamakh didn’t keep his on Carrol who run behind, Koscielny didn’t move into position and Fabianski missed the ball. So four players to blame!

  48. fabianski.. a great shotstopper but cant handle crosses. their gameplan was to put high balls into our box and low and behold.

  49. Today song isnt masquarading forward as much as in the recent past.

  50. This has been surprisingly quite an enjoyable game. Both teams are playing pretty well, but we’re missing a cutting edge up front. Newcastle are defending well and that boy Carroll plays with an excellent energy. The goal is a pretty good visual example of why keepers tend to punch the ball rather than catch.

    I think we are just trying to be a little too cute. We don’t have to score magnificently all the time when a few stunners will do too! There’s no sense of complacency today which is awesome. If we do lose it will just be one of those things, because defensively I thought we were pretty tight and very comfortable. However, I don’t think we will lose, but if we do, as long as we continue playing well, I won’t be too upset, just a little sad.

    Things I like:
    * the way the ball sticks to Nasri’s feet.
    * the way how Song’s feints and turns completely stifle people
    * Wilshire’s tackling
    * The random but awesome tunes my itunes is pumping for this game – not more than 5 seconds after the, ‘an honest mistake’ (Live Lounge version) started playing.

  51. Cesc clearly isn’t fit and Theo looks totally lost. Fabi should have done better with the goal but Chamakh ran the length of the pitch to mark Carroll from the set piece then stood there and ball watched. I don’t care if Arshavin’s lazy, he’s direct as it gets and exactly what we need today.

  52. I don’t know if these ‘Fox Soarcer plyus’ ads for the ‘barclays premeer league’ are cheering me up or making me more depressed.

  53. I think the word you’;re looking for is “marauding” forward, Firstlady.

  54. I agree that we are over passing

  55. the fukin ibrahim again.

  56. Mike Dean is one hideous referee.

  57. Or maybe masquerading as a forward.

  58. Thanks MDGunner and Paul N – greatly appreciated!

  59. RVP coming on?

  60. Sorry, one of my streams is 2 minutes ahead of the other

  61. Bring on Bendy big bollocks.

  62. this is very uncomfortable viewing.

  63. And Bendy comes on, you’re on top of this Duke

  64. We look a little desperate…

  65. we are desperate!

  66. It shows way too much to my liking

  67. everytime i see their goal it gets worse for Fabianski, terrible, came out like a rabbit in headlights then dilly dallied and then flapped.

  68. Limestonegunner

    Arshavin has made us look more dangerous.

  69. we need a big dose of luck here coz we look fukin shit.

  70. Dear oh Dear oh Dear come on i’d sign for a fucking point.

  71. These high balls are a waste!

  72. Limestonegunner

    Lots of high balls into the box from us from central positions–haven’t seen one lead to a positive play.

  73. ergh seriously, why cant we finish teams off? our starting line up is about as good as it gets. nasri, walcott, chamakh, fabregas, RVP, AA and now bendtner have all had their turn up front yet the pattern is the same.

    newcastle are a good team but we have now been beaten at home by 2 promoted sides in the first couple of months of a new season. ah well, I cant be angry… just disappointed.

  74. 4 mins to grab a draw, cmon AA

  75. We have not shown so far the consistency AW has highlighted as the key to winning the league iam afraid…

  76. our players look like they cant wait for the whistle.

  77. Limestonegunner

    On the same wavelength there, Paul N. It’s not our style–I know we are trying to mix it up, but RvP hasn’t been winning headers so far.

  78. Pissed right off!!

  79. what the heck is it with these silly long balls?

  80. Limestonegunner

    I don’t think there was much in Koscielny’s challenge and it was pretty far from goal–that is harsh. Dean strikes again.

  81. Was that a red card? You gotta be fucking joking

  82. fuck straight red….. misses wolves everton and spurs

  83. unbefukinleivable.

  84. For me Rosicky shouldve replaced Cesc. He had a terrible outing.

    Two matches in a row where we have under performed!

    MI VEX!!!

  85. pat rice why dont you throw in the towel, get our troops out of there.

  86. Limestonegunner

    Word, since it wasn’t for violent play, won’t it just be one game?

  87. this is an absolute joke.

  88. Bad karma all the way…this week has been horrendous for AFC and Arsene…

  89. Nasir Jones-Nasri

    Fuck that was frustrating to watch.

  90. Limestonegunner

    Paul N, good call. Fab didn’t pick up his game until the last quarter of an hour.

  91. Red card?

  92. Carling cup it is then as our chance for silverware.

  93. Sagna just told the ref he was a c**t

  94. Three loses in eleven games? What chance of winning the league now?

  95. Limestonegunner

    Newcastle did play well, but what happened to us? If Fab is missing or isn’t right, we seem to struggle.

  96. I think for the first time I am convinced we aren’t good enough. Newcastle were the better team. We had 3 clear chances all match. At home, where we have now lost twice to newly promoted teams. Complacency? No. We tried but just were nowhere near good enough.

  97. Limstone, many people wont say it but its the truth. If you look at most of Newcastle’s chances, it was Cesc giving away the blasted ball.

    DAMN IT!

  98. what happend today? It was shocking being outplayed by Newcastle. Midfield looked totally lost, strikers that cannot be direct and a stupid red card at the end.

  99. When Cesc has off day our entire gameplan falls apart as the entire team is buildt around him when hes on. Hes the ball distrubuter, hes the one that controls the game. When hes having a bad day we loose when hes on basically.

  100. That was piss poor . The pooret l’ve seen so far. rvp inclusion was a mistake.clearly he is not fit. once Nasri came out everythjng just fizzled out without creating a single chance in the 2nd half.fabregas looks not fit too .

  101. DG, why is the CC our only chance for silverware?

    Deano, we aren’t good enough or weren’t good enough?

  102. I only saw the 2nd half. Good performance by Newcastle. Unfortunately our old weaknesses are still with us. Inconsistency and Complacency IMO.
    Mike Dean may be c*nt especially with that harsh red card but we can’t blame him for our defeat.
    All is not lost but it is uphill for the rest of the season.

  103. Totally shocking… will be days before I will be able to succumb to a rational perspective.

  104. arsene should’ve taken cesc off. damn…

  105. I do not fucking care if Chelsea win or lose today, we are not finishing top playing like this..

  106. Newcastle didnt outplay us, we were simply not direct enough and gave the ball away. At the end we lost our composure and tried to play like bolton with stupid long balls. Very annoying!

  107. @Paul N if they continiue as today we clearly are not good enough. Loosing the ball afer two touches all the time, how many shoots did Arsenal have on goal? And we had 9 corners?

    IT was a ver very very very poor preformance, King Carrol, wich he will be labled in the sun tomorrow looked like a top top player. And he is not. Newcasltle looked like a title challening team and they are not.

    Something is not right with the team. they cannot be this poor. they just cannot.

  108. well, well, well…

  109. PaulN coz our defence isnt up to the job to win either the league or the champions league and you know it. its why the mancs are above us, a better defence.

  110. oh btw that read card. can that be appealed? it looked very cheap….

  111. Please correct me if I am wrong: Felt like I was watching ladies play in arsenal shirt, where as Newcastle players showed admirable spirit and urgency

  112. once again, the team came out lacking motivation, seems like losing to WBA at home has not taught them shit…

    after spanking them on their turf just 12 days ago, they must have thought ‘fuck it, this is going to be easy’ – there is no such thing as ‘easy’ games anymore…

  113. @ Indian Gooner, if you had watched the Arsenal Ladies the team would have won. They ladies are very good you know..

  114. There is NO excuse for this, it was just piss poor I really hope Arsene gives it to them what a joke! Our Carling cup team more or less slapped these guys for four, yet our supposedly world-class players can’t get their mind right to put away a promoted side!

    Mi vex too, Paul!!!

  115. Bloody November!!

  116. Limestonegunner

    Paul N, yes, the high balls were quite puzzling to me. I think the defending was generally good, DukeG. We didn’t impose our game on Newcastle from the midfield forward today.

  117. Let fly the dogs of war!

  118. SUGA 3, may i politely ask why you lurk like a spud super villian in the shadows, only showing up to seemingly gloat about defeat to fans of a team your meant to support?

  119. We need a top class keeper, hope TV returns soon and RVP stays fit!

  120. It seems that motivation is the issues with these money day multi millionaire footballers. Its telling that Jack seemed the only one showing real desire.

    I feel for Fabianski. His mistake will cover up the fact that he was let down by players in front of him. Cesc was poor true, but then again, he was probably rushed back yet again. Theo looked sharp but was unlucky.

    West Brom and now Newcastle; fucking joke. I cant get to Wolves on Wednesday as Im going to the big student demo. Maybe I can take my ire out on the Police then!

  121. Being outplayed is exaggeration, it was our attack vs their defence most of the time.
    This whole fucking year we have struggled to score in the league..maybe teams have found a way to defend against us..

  122. newcastle knew what to do against us like bolton knew what to do against spurs. no surprise that harry is out smarted but its quite the blind spot that wenger struggles to find a tactical antidote. tbf newcastle played good football but our game plan in the final thrid has to improve because simple pass and move is clearly not enough.

  123. Maria i think Wenger has done enough giving.

  124. I thought Wenger’s substitutions were poor. Van Persie was not ready to jump into the fray and once Nasri came off we lost all our creativity higher up the pitch. It must be frustrating for Rosicky to just sit there and watch as the team struggles.

  125. deano,

    if you need to know, I was on my way from the airport listening to Talkshite, just got home to catch the last 30 minutes or so…

    gloat? are you fucking kidding me?

  126. suga3

    Well what?

  127. well, that was not good enough, period!

  128. Paul N!

    Show some respect to SUGA 3!

    Those stupid long balls you speak of so negatively, were affective enough to put 4 past our friend SUGA 3’s european giants; Rottenham Hot sperm.

  129. Look who shows up now. Suga3 you should be managing somewhere. Your insights are keen as fuck.

  130. koscielny clealy lacks pace and someone needs to tell Fabi not to worry if he he gives a striker the black eye. Refs simply do not give a penalties against goalies jn those situations. once he realized he wasn’t getting the ball he backed offf

  131. It was fucking poor and so not a surprise given the lacklustre showings already this year. If the players cannot get up for bread and butter, unglamourous games, and dont learn the lessons of past mistakes, then its gonna be a long old season!

  132. Totally garee regarding Rosicky, especially with the fact that Cesc did not turn up today!

  133. deano,

    people tend to judge others by their own standards – spending time on the Spud blogs wumming much?


  134. oh is suga3 1 of dem “fans” who crawls out the wood work when the shit has hit da fan?

    Now THAT is just not good enough, period.

  135. 69,

    Rosicky has made a positive impact everytime his come on as a sub and is fit why he didn’t come on for Cesc is beyond me!!

    RVP did not look 100%

  136. Just hoping no one comes up with injury excuses now…

  137. We need to win all remaining league games in november.

    Quite a big ask. I hope this doesn’t turn out to be a shite month. I can’t take it along with the cold weather coming in….and being broke before Christmas.

  138. Limestonegunner

    Gainsbourg, I think that is very spot on. RvP’s presence on the pitch was very inspirational for all of us to see after his long layoff, but throwing him onto a tight game wasn’t going to be the best way to bring him back. Point on Rosicky was good too. I think Nasri might have been suffering a bit from the knock, and Arshavin did look dangerous. I think maybe the second half wasn’t suited to Walcott since they were packed in and he didn’t have space to work. One thing I did like though was that Arsene Wenger made the changes early on, giving time for the new players to try to make a difference. But RvP didn’t make much sense to me.

  139. Suga **** off I am not in the mood for your s***!!!

  140. Gainsborough,

    are you happy with todays performance then?

    or with the decisions? like bringing on RvP who hasn’t kicked a ball for a while to chase the game? like keeping Cesc for the whole game when it clearly did not work today?

    we just did not want this enough, pure and simple – I am with Mug on this one!

  141. some of you may recall that I tend to give praise where it’s due and that I came on here to share the joy of victory just to be abused…

  142. difficult days ahead..somebody please tell me this was just a one-off :-/

  143. SUGA 3,

    All childishness aside we only seem to see you when things go wrong, which actually isn’t THAT often.

  144. If Liverpool beat Chelsea and Mancity beat Mancity and if we can win on Wednesday we are back in it. Unfortunately our fate is no longer in our hands.

  145. suga3 well if thats true, thats piss poor mate!

    It is these kinda defeats that take me much longer to get over than say, the loss to the chavs.

    We are so much better than the showing today, but a combination of lack of effort and commitment and too many players having an off day did for us.

  146. Limestonegunner

    It’s a long season. We can still climb back into this. Let’s hope Chelsea drops points today. But we do need to play better, and it seems Cesc is key to that and he is not quite right. We’ve been looking forward to getting players back, but it is going to take lots of work by Arsene to bring them together and find the right unit to play together.

    Kenny Sansome is saying Cesc wasn’t leading as captain enough–apart from having a subpar game. Where does the leadership come?

  147. Come on guys, the problem is not Suga3, the problem is the team performances that allows someone like him to talk sh*t **No Offense Suga3**

  148. I agree, Maria. Rosicky should’ve been a like for like sub for Nasri. He would’ve given us more penetration by drawing defenders and moving the ball around. If Wenger wanted to introduce Arsha he should’ve taken off Walcott. I was also confused by the Chamakh substitution. Bendtner needs games. Chamakh looked good for the time he spent out on the pitch. The reason he wasn’t more dangerous is because he wasn’t getting any service.

  149. Richard keys could not wait to mention the red card tally under Wenger. Fucking creepy little nonce he is. How he ever got the sky gig in the 12st oplace is beyond me?

  150. suga is the last thing needed here.

    ffs dont feed the troll

  151. Oh please a victory? You knew full well we lost.

    You dirty little spud, I have seen your rumblings on Le moan, so don’t give me that BS!!

  152. Unlike our manager, the team showed a distinct lack of penetration today.

  153. Well, I said this morning that there are no straightforward games but we should be brushing Newcastle aside if we are to win the prem.

    Not on this showing. Two poor games on the trot. Early season form seems to have deserted our key players and we seem doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past against players like Carroll. One long ball and the match was over. That can’t be right. Any team can concede a goal like that but we do seem to make a habit of it. Can’t really go on blaming the media for highlighting our weaknesses when they are thrust into their faces.

    No excuses. As has been said, it’s not all over but when a very average manu side can carry on winning then it doesn’t look good. I am seriously lost for an explanation for this. Manu look like winners. We just don’t.

    Baffled and bemused.

  154. Limestonegunner

    does anyone think that the story about Arsene (whether true or not) could possibly have affected the team and its morale/concentration today? grasping at straws here to figure this one out. The only thing clear to me is that when Cesc is out or not on form, we aren’t the same side. But still, at home against Newcastle we should have put them under more pressure.

  155. deano,

    a bit of selective vision, is it? – ‘I did not see this’ 😆

    jokes aside: once again, we were kept quiet by a hard working team, in my opinion, we just did not come out flying of the blocks and allowed them to settle…

    it’s like they are trying to beat the underdogs at the lowest energy expense possible…

  156. I don’t see where the lack of effort even factors into this loss. I feel that it’s lazy to slag off the players for their commitment when our main cog wasn’t working and we couldn’t spring two passes together. This game would’ve been 100% different had we kept our heads and moved the ball around like we know how to do.

  157. Befuddled too

  158. sometimes I get the impression that wengers subs are often decided on wednesday and for lack of a better word, seem a little too ‘academic’.

  159. Maria,

    what ‘rumblings’ are you referring to exactly? I am actually one of the moderate ones on LG, as I said, credit and criticism where it’s due!

    today, we did not deserve zip and got zip!

  160. I’m off to watch the Pool v Chel$ki game.

  161. limestone…. tut tut for going there, wenger is hardly a giddy school kid.

  162. Well I feel like rubbish for a number of reasons.

    Man U’s abject performance yesterday that resulted in 3 points.

    Our not too bad performance today that resulted in no points.

    The fact that this and West Brom’s result combined will give every team that comes to Ashburton Grove the extra impetus of gaining 3 points as opposed to sending a shiver down their spine.

    As Shotta said, it is very much an uphill task now to claim the title. We’re going to need to win the big games and clean up our act at home.

  163. That average Manchester side is I have just been reminded are still unbeaten!

  164. How football can disgust me at times!!

  165. oh well if we can keep up a good record against the big clubs then things will even out.

  166. We must beat them at old trafford.

  167. Keep us in the loop on the Chavs game those watching please.

  168. 1:0 Pool, Torres…

  169. I cant be bothered with people like suga and duke. for them we win and we cal beat all comers, we lose and its all over.

    I agree, that Wenger messed up also. In Cesc, Walcott, NB and RVP we have 4 players who are not totallt match fit but they were all on the field at the same time.

    I could see Vela in a match like this

  170. That’s right Paul but we now talk of our strong squad but if a couple of our key men are not firing then we are struggling.

    Either the squad is strong or it isn’t.

  171. Bloody awful time to concede. Allowed Hughton a fifteen minute rant about battening down hatches and getting in faces. I didn’t think Sagna’s challenge on Gutierrez for the hoof freekick was a foul but I’d have to see it again. And that’s not going to happen.

    Brilliant to see RvP back.

    C’mon Liverpool.

  172. I am not the one to say that we are world beaters after an emphatic win – sure, there is plenty of joy out of that, but we are far from proving that we can do this consistently…

    losing at home to the newbies is hugely frustrating though – to win the league, one must have almost perfect home record!

  173. Nasri has been our best player this season and when he went off, so did our attacking nous it seemed. Cesc was very rusty and didnt seem match fit. While Chamakh can be forgiven an off day as he has been fantastic sonce the opening day of the season.
    I truely hope Fabianski does not get the treatment meated out to Almunia after his one mistake in how many games?

  174. A flat abject performance from pretty much everyone.

    Credit to NewCASTLE though – they worked hard & took their chance when it came.

    We don`t seem to be utilising Chamakh`s strength in the air as much as we should & RVP & Cesc weren`t 100%

    The goal has to go down to Fabianski. He clearly called & hardly left the ground.

    Luckily we just just three days to wait before getting back on the horse & taking three points at Wolves.

  175. Mr Bob, what is RVP doing on the bench though? We do have and did have other players who couldve played.

    This match and my statement is not a knock against our strength, its a knock against player selection. Wenger seems to be trying to get players who were injured back too soon.

  176. “losing at home to the newbies is hugely frustrating though – to win the league, one must have almost perfect home record!”

    Great insight that! Anything else Arsene(three time winner) hasn’t understood about winning the league?

  177. After the City win, I remember reading some confidents comments from some people. Those people are up and down, up and down.

    Get it together!

  178. Limestonegunner

    What a rollercoaster. After ManCity we were convinced the team could build up confidence and put together a string of victories to stay in contention and put Chelsea under pressure. Now a few lacklustre performances and bad results and it feels very dark.

    We aren’t out of anything yet though. It is just going to be very difficult. I am more worried about the fact that Cesc hasn’t been playing well–either not fit, out of form, holding back to keep from getting injured again. Whatever it is it is concerning and will fuel the notion that he is distracted after this summer. That is bad for our morale and confidence.

    We have to hang in there until we can go away at Old Trafford and get a big confidence boosting win there. We can get back on track, starting soon with Wolves.

  179. From Opta today.

    2 – Arsenal are the first “Big Four” side to lose at home to two different newly-promoted teams in a Premier League season.

    with regards to the ‘three times winner’ comment, let’s not dwell on the ancient history, shall we?

  180. Well Paul, I am questioning the strength of the squad. To me any 11 men in an Arsenal shirt should be capable of winning a home match against a team like Newcastle. We have talked this team up. We can’t hide when they don’t perform. We might be patronising about Fletcher and Park but they actually win matches when form and ability says they shouldn’t.

    I agree with you about RVP. There must be some reason why he was on the bench and brought on.

  181. cbob,

    apparently, he declared himself fit for the next bollocks national friendly, so AW named him as a sub…

  182. I suppose Wenger wanted to see him in an Arsenal shirt before he plays for Holland and is injured for the rest of the season.

  183. and he did not seem too keen to go into 50-50s either, did he?

  184. Mongolian Gooner

    @SUGA3 | November 7, 2010 at 3:50 pm |

    You say you give credits where it’s due. But how come I didn’t see your credits when they were due? And you just pop up when we stumble.

    This week has to be one of those worse weeks for me. I’m glad it’s ending.

    Tomorrow is a new day. Guys should pick themselves up.

    And may I suggest us not to blame Fabianski on the conceded goal. Just doesn’t feel right considering how well he played in recent games. I think he earned a “right” for one tiny mistake, which unfortunately became a goal.

  185. Mr. Bob, if Cesc is playing well what do you do? do you then sub in two players who just came back from injury? Along with that take out your two most influential players in Nasri and Wilshere?

    I see nothing wrong with the squad at all, Wenger got it terribly wrong today in my opinion.

  186. I meant if Cesc is not playing well.

  187. Mongolian Gunner,

    I suggest you check the earlier post-match threads, really, not long time ago…

    and the guys should have their wages docked for such lacklustre performance – no desire, no ideas, no execution!

  188. 2-0 to Liverpool!

  189. Fitness is decided on the training pitch. Wenger has had his fingers burnt a few times from rushing people back so considering we had (imo) the richest range of attacking options so far in the league today it does not make sense to take undue risks. Therefore we can only assume that the players in question were all fit to at least an acceptable (80%?) level.

  190. and it will be interesting to see if Fabianski bounces back from the one mistake that cost us…

    still, there is no excuse for not scoring at least one, so I can’t say I blame him…

  191. Unlike the commentaters, I did not see the goal as a Fabianski mistake. Had he not come, Carroll would have had enough time to pick his spot. The error was not ensuring that someone was with Carroll.

    That we have lost in succession to 2 teams that we embarrassed in succession is significant in my mind.I think that both Shakhter and Newcastle were really motivated to get their own back, and they did.

    The November curse is with us again.

    I was pleased to see the subs on early, but perhaps he should have taken Cesc off, as he was really below par. Most of his passes went astray. The long balls at the end were useless.

    Remember that both Chelsea and Liverpool sat back and let us come to them, even though they were playing at home. That is how everyone plays us and if we click it’s fine, but if we do not, as on Wednesday and today, then it is a major problem. That is what Wengerball seems to be all about.

    It is easy to talk about luck, but we had none today, and, Newcastle had it all.

    Also, their time wasting, throughout the whole of the second half was frustrating and should not have been allowed.

  192. That man is a special footballer.

  193. it’s the sod’s law with Chavs dropping points, eh?

  194. Limestonegunner

    I haven’t seen much blame for the loss laid against Fabianski, and I think that is right. sure he could have done better to stop that header from a set piece, but would we have been much happier with the overall result and performance if we drew 0-0? I don’t think so.

  195. Well, well, well!
    Those who think it is championship procession for Chelsea are quickly rewriting their script.
    2-0 to Liverpool at the end of the half.

  196. Limestone,

    one point is always better than zero points, no?

    I still would not be happy with not winning, but it’s the points that count in May, no?

  197. I think we are saying much the same thing Paul. If we have a strong squad why do we play players who are not fully fit? I would like to know the reasons why Arsene chose to do that.

    We don’t rely on Cesc as we have already proved in recent times. Wildhire can’t be expected to play at top level every week at his age. Chamakh just looks knackered.

  198. Obviously if Liverpool wins, it would be just another week when the EPL is just correcting itself.

    No worries guys, today’s loss is just part of the scheme.

  199. Chelsea, manutd and mancity tend to play at least two defensive midfielders most of the time. We should follow suit.

  200. Limestonegunner

    Suga, of course, it is better to get the point, and I wish we had kept out that Carroll header. But I don’t think we could take much consolation from a 0-0 performance, dropping two points, to Newcastle at home and playing so poorly, failing to score. That’s all.

  201. Torres’ two goals are like putting aloe on a badly burned back. It still hurts but it feels better.

  202. Limestone,

    in my opinion, we have more than enough in our locker to take the teams like Magpies apart and put a few goals past them – today, we looked in the ‘it’s enough to turn up’ mode and we paid the price, simple as that…

  203. The EPL ‘correcting itself’?
    That is one helluva way to gloss (ie. ignore) a shite result.
    I guess we get to put our championship hopes on other teams doing the real work, as opposed to our actually beating newly promoted teams at home and winning it on our own.

  204. It’s just makes it even more irritating!

    If Chelsea lose today, then it will be the second time this season that we have failed to make ground on them at home to a newly promoted team.

    I’m glad that people aren’t going overboard about Fabianski. There really was not a lot more he could have done in my view. He was left hopelessly exposed to Newcastle’s principle goal threat and was left no choice but to rush out despite being second favorite.

    No more slip ups…. there can be no excuse with our quality.


  205. Is it fair to say almost all managers, tend to rush back players too soon?
    And players tend to state they are fit, when they are not quite there (at the high levels required). Both are clichés, but there are so many examples.

    Torres seems to be recovering from the flogging by Benitez last season, and his efforts to regain fitness and play through the WC. It’s taken a little while.

  206. deano,

    stopping halfway through when coming out for the ball, where he would get enough jump if he went all the way is a mistake, but I will reserve my judgment on Fabianski until the next few games – I want him to bounce back, let’s wait and see!

  207. Limestonegunner

    suga, I think we agree there. And, I have said that the real test now for Fabianski is how he would react to a mistake that was costly. So we will see how he responds in his next game. I think he’ll be alright at Wolves, but the proof is in the pudding.

  208. Will you people stop!it wasnt a fabianski mistake.we were jus poor as a team and it is november the cursed plus fabby and the players coming back warent at their obviously sad we lost but we will come back.

  209. OK, we did not play well at all, but the woodwork “saved” Newcastle three times and really they only had one serious goal scoring chance. I agree that the substitutions (part from AA) were questionable. Luck seems to have deserted us when you consider how poorly ManU played but still got the three points, but unfortunately that’s the way it happens sometimes.
    How about a new rule, when an Arsenal player gets in the box, they have to shoot?

  210. Torres you beauty! Is there a reason drogba didn’t start for the chavs? I thought taking Jack and Chamakh off today was a massive misjudgement by le boss. The way our midfield works, we have to have either jack or denilson on at all times. We look poor with neither. How we made 3 subs today yet ended the game with Theo still on the pitch baffles me.

  211. Mongolian Gooner

    I thought His Highness would come on for Theo at some point.

  212. We did not lose because of the referee. But upon reflection I must say Mike Dean is truly a biased referee. I simply cannot imagine him giving John Terry, Rio Ferdinand or Jaime Carragher a red card in the same situation as Koscielny (sp).
    I am very aware of what I am implying. If it sounds likea duck, walks like a duck, then it sure as hell is the type of referee who is quick to wave a red card at Arsenal players

  213. RVP looked ready to me. He set Arshavin up for a great chance to equalise, kept possession whenever he had the ball, challenged for one of our better chances in the 2nd against Krul and sent in some dangerous deliveries. His was one of our better performances, I thought. I think AW has been downplaying expectations on his ‘return date’ to try and get BvM to fuck off, when it didn’t work, in he came. Home game is as good a time as any to have him in the squad to come on and work on match fitness – just so happened he came on when we were 0-1 down. If RVP is fit to make the bench and you’re 0-1 down you bring him on.

    There are a whole bunch of reasons for our ineffectiveness across the front line IMO; Williamson and Collocini got the better of Chamakh who didn’t lead the line half as well as he can, Jose Enrique (a good player) always had a partner doubling-up with him on Theo – and I think that’s partly to do with Nasri not getting wide enough on the left, as it allowed Newcastle’s defence to cramp across toward their own left flank and for that extra man to always stick on Theo rather than worry about Nasri on the left. Behind them Fabregas gave the ball away a lot. How often does that happen? Kitchen Sink would remind us all of tic-toc Denilson and I would have to agree with him. When we needed possession most, in the 2nd half, we sacrificed Wilshere (our Denilson for the day), and then Song was going to have to play like two midfielders; and Newcastle weren’t in the mood to let him do it. Part of me liked the early subs but now I’m thinking patience might’ve been the better option. When you have a front line of Bendtner, RVP, Arshavin and Theo, players who haven’t played in the same side for a long time – and then you have a misfiring Cesc behind them, expected to keep them reloaded – it just didn’t work. We looked unusually frantic and far too eager to play the long ball for my liking. And even then we had enough chances to win it. Anyway, a drop in the ocean.

    I’ve always liked Liverpool.

  214. Vince, I did not think Jack was that effective today so I was not surprised to see him substituted. Chamakh just could not get into the game and the one chance he got he made the wrong choice to pass rather than shoot. I guess you just get periods like today when nothing is working. We did not create much, Cesc was shockingly off-form and this just seemed to permeate to the other players.

    Based on my view at the ground, at first I was ready to put the goal down to an error of judgement by Fabianski, but on reflection, I thought he had no choice but to come for the ball and was unlucky that Carroll nipped in ahead of him. I think he would have had an uncontested header anyway as Chamakh did not pick him up despite Clichy’s gesturing for him to do so. I’m also not sure that the free kick that led to the goal was correct. Dean seemed to give Newcastle as many free kicks as he could get away with today.

    It was good to see RVP back on the pitch and he got a rousing welcome from the crowd despite a few negative online comments about his place in the team, he still seems to have the support of the majority. I thought he did quite well considering how long he has been out. It will be good to see him and a rejuvenated Cesc back on a more regular basis.

  215. The team looked lethargic and leggy. The performance had Champions league hangover written all over it. Credit to Newcastle who gave a team defensive performance and stuck to their game plan. It was probably the best time for Newcastle to play Arsenal. Arsenal lost this one in the midfield, couldnt dominate,misplaced passes and unable to create a platform for sustained attack. This was a game for the sideways passing of Denilson and the driving runs of Diaby and Eboue. The real Arsenal didn’t turn up. Too many players out of sync. Positive can be drawn from RVP ‘s return. As for the result Sh©t happens. If not for the crossbar this may have been a different outcome. Bring on the next game that’s the best way to get this out of the system. And for all those worrying about the title being lost already…. are you for real. The red card for Kos however was very generous.

  216. on the bright side, at least we know the mancs are shit this year and now we know chelsea are even shitter than pool (who are really shit) so we still have a massive chance of finishing above everyone once our slightly new look system get fully into the groove. in previous years we have flying high at the top of the table and then dropped off so there is no reason to believe that balance will prevail.

    RVP, theo and cesc are seemingly some way off 100% so to get a run with those 3 ticking would be a huge shot in the arm.

  217. With Denilson in the team:
    3 victories, and three clean sheets in a row for the first time since September 2009. Also the first clean sheet away from home since January, and the first consecutive clean sheets away from home since May 2009.

    Without Denilson in the team:
    2 defeats, no clean sheets, 1 goal scored.

  218. I was wondering whether all the rotation is having a negative impact on our rhythm? We need to play the same team for a few games in a row to get our momentum going again. Or maybe Poliziano is right and we just need to get Denilson fit enough to play more regularly as he may not be spectacular, but he is definitely steady and keeps us ticking over really well.

  219. flying dutchman

    I don’t think the players are complacent at all. It’s some of the fans who are.
    What is this “we should be stuffing teams like Newcastle” etc? “We” do not have a divine right to steamroller every opposition team, neither do Manu or Chelsea and they also lose/draw the occasional home game (by the way, last week winning 1-0 and now losing by the same score is one point better than drawing 1-1 twice)
    That said, our results are way too inconsistent one week from the next to win the league.

    It seems something is wrong with Cesc, he looks irritable, maybe overly obsessed with his responsibility as captain and trying to shoulder too much? There is clearly more variation without him.

    I thought the goal was partly the keepers’s fault but he should not be blamed or dropped for this. Give him some time and confidence, and a chance to rehab himself on Wednesday.

    Theo is much less effective in this sort of closed games and I would have liked to see different subs too (Rosicky) but it’s all academic now. Thank goodness it looks like no serious consequences for the table with the leaders losing. But what a pity we seem to never take advantage whenever this happens, though a top 2 finish behind Chelsea remains a very realistic target. That would be another improvement on last year. And then there’s the cups with chances of winning silverware, beginning with the CC. Keep supporting, keep hoping, keep believing.

  220. Perfect example of the biased, blinkered refereeing decision by Mike Dean. Yellow card by Webb to Alex for a last man infringement 30 yards from goal.

  221. There we go. Chelsea stuffed by Liverpool 2-0. Well done Roy Hodgson!

  222. Limestonegunner

    There we go–thank you Liverpool! Not quite as we were–ManU gains advantage over us, but we can recover if we figure out how to play better in the league.

  223. This Liverpool result softens the blow a bit. The players are there, but some

    Oh, and Jan Terri > John Terry

    But we all knew that anyway.

  224. Contrary to the emotional over-the-top reactions of our fans (I am guilty at times) to every win, Chelsea’s loss is proof positive that there are no “gimmes” in this league. Arsenal is never going to steamroll all the so-called lesser teams. Furthermore we will be embarrassed if we as fans (and the players) believe we just need to turn-up, especially at home, and a victory is assured. We have the quality players but we need the subjective ingredients (determinatin, consistency) to turn our inherent potential into reality.
    We definitely have a ways to go. It will be an uphill struggle but all is not lost.

  225. Whoops – accidentally pasted half a comment.

  226. Nobody really played well. Nasri looked our best player before he went off. Jack did pretty well too. Bad decision by Fabianski to come for a ball that he was never going to get cost us the points.

  227. Liverpool away is not a ‘gimme’ by any stretch of imagination – thing is that we won in less than convincing manner against WHU and lost to Shakhtar, so this should be quite enough to give our boys a point to prove, IMO…

    I am really disappointed and it’s not the result, it’s the manner of defeat…

  228. It’s a shame we couldn’t take advantage of chelski’s slip up today, but at least we have not fallen further behind. It looks like the PL is not going to be a romp for any team this season. It really is a case of almost anyone being able to beat almost anyone else. Surely even the mancs luck will run out soon?

  229. Wolves away is a difficult task midweek.

    We need to show the right combination of fight and composure.

    Howard Webb didn’t book John Terry despite 6 clear assaults throughout the course of the match. This is presumably to protect the time space continuum for which all premier league referees are responsible. After all, why would anyone put the fabric of the galaxy at risk for a football match?

    As for Mike Dean, the sniveling little gobshite. As if having to put up with his dire refereeing isn’t bad enough I get scared whenever I see him on screen. He looks like Grendel out of Beowulf.

    As my nan would say: he looks what he is.

  230. Thehampshiregoo0n

    Very bad performance.

  231. We are back where we started this time last year.Almunia injured/dropped his replacement Mannone fucks up Almunia returns.Now Almunia injured/dropped his replacement Fabianski fucks up and Almunia returns its a joke.A club the size of Arsenal should have a world class keeper and not having to keep dropping keepers every 3 months after their next result.To think for 17 years 1990-2007 we had two keeper who were world class.Wenger and keepers just dont go together

  232. We may not admit it, but a lot of our losses recently have been down to a lack of team tactical discipline and loss of concentration. I know its not a divine right to win as pointed out by many posters already; but we have no excuse losing to teams like the Broms and Magpies.
    We also seem to always have a sequence of losses after every loss. Am not sure what to ascribe this to. Hope we pick ourselves up and we organise our team defensive shape. We tend to have too many results upsets for a big team.
    Arsene sort it out!!

  233. Classic caller on 606… an Arsenal fan from just north of Hull. “These are harley peed indy-vigils… just geddit in’t NET!”

  234. Two many of our players turn up expecting to win before they earn the right.The same attitude was there against WHU and WBA.There is no such thing as an easy game.Wenger has to tell the players that.The shocking thing about today was there was hardly any improvement in the second half and that is down to Wenger.Not good enough
    The big winners this weekend are Man utd who havent broke sweat this season yet are still unbeaten in all competitions and only 2 pts off the top

  235. Maybe Wenger left his whip in his girlfriends house so he couldnt use it on the team at half time like he normally does after a first like that.

  236. Mwuaaah thank you Liverpool!!

  237. Pass,

    They play Man oil next so let’s hope not!!

  238. i dont think ive seen a stronger Arsenal side on the paper turn up to any match like ever! All the best plaeyrs fit. Yet we loose to Newcastle.

    We played our best, the guys really tried and we still lost. To Newcastle. That jsut should not happen.

  239. when you take your two best attacking player of the day (JW and Nasri),leave two player who have a nightmare (cecs and theo) you know you never gone win.Poor sub by wenger as far i am concern.
    In second half I would have gone Arsahvin-Nasri-song-JW-rosicky-chamak instead od bringing an unfit striker (even so welcome back van persie ….until you get injure on national duty as usual)

  240. Limpar @5:26,

    Nice review. And the Gunners did hit the post and bar. But overall, no tick-tock? Will he be back for Wolves?
    Was nervous about RVPs return. He seemed fine.
    Best way to get over the result is to go and beat Wolves Away.

  241. Am I the only person who thinks Theo looked sharp?

    He made a few dangerous runs and a couple of good attempts.

    You can’t be in the game if your a winger and you midfielders are resorting to long balls!

  242. Max:

    “The big winners this weekend are Man utd who havent broke sweat this season yet are still unbeaten in all competitions and only 2 pts off the top.”

    Yet they are only three points ahead of us and we’ve lost three. Go figure.

  243. I was very impressed by Tiote. I’ve been watching him this season and he’s one of the better DM’s in the league. Wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up in a top four side next season. Hopefully ours.

  244. Gainsbourgh69

    AND are still topping our group in the CL

    AND are in a strong position in the league cup.

    We simply must win the big games from here on in. And the small games….there are no small games…. We must win all games!

  245. Lordgunner – Nasri has a calf problem, which may explain why he was substituted and Wilshere was not at his best today, which was obvious to anyone who was paying attention. Cesc may not have been at his best, but with his skill and ability you can usually expect him to produce something when you least expect it, so I can see why he was kept on. Theo’s pace was always a threat if the right ball could find him. Unfortunately we could not find that ball today.

  246. sorry but i cant av this. Fabianski has two choices he stays or he comes, he chose to come and bolloxd it up. the only reason he looked good for 6 fukin games was coz no team we played in them games done a pearl harbour job on us, any team that gives us a bit of airiel bombardment will cause Fab to make mistakes, he is a great shotstopper there is no doubt but it isnt enough. who knows maybe his gaff had an effect on his teammates with the old thinking, here we go again now you have put us in it.,why fukin bother. looked like they didnt give a fuck so that could be as good a reason as any.

  247. Goodness Duke, that is some really twisted logic there! You dislike Fabianski and believe some unproven 20 year old is better. I think your position is clear. But you seem to forget that football is a team sport – the whole team did not perform well on the day. Fabianski came for and claimed many crosses today, he got one wrong, but where was his defence at the time? Had he not come for the cross, Carroll would have had a free header and been able to pick his spot. I’m sure you would have been leading the chorus of disapproval for that one as well.

  248. Duke

    Harsh – where’s your criticism of the defensive marking?


    Football isn’t a team sport – it’s always someone’s fault!


  249. I should know better by now Yogi. It was Clichy’s fault on Wednesday and today it’s Fabianski’s turn! I don’t know where I’m going trying to hold all the players accountable for the result, when we know there are certain players who can do no wrong and others who are at fault even when they are not on the pitch!

  250. Delia----Block112

    Just got in from the Emirates and saw the game much the same as Limpar.
    When I saw the line-up I thought I was in for a real Wengerball treat. How wrong could I have been ! The stray passes, the lack of penetration in the final third, the poor performances by Cesc, Theo ( marked out of the game),Chamakh and to a lesser extent Nasri all played their part. Arshavin picked up the pace but Newcastle stoutly defended their lead. Quite frankly , they were bigger,stronger and keener than us and in Carroll they have a very talented player who worked incredibly hard for his side.
    Can’t say I am too happy at the moment. One bright moment ,I have just seen Messi miss a sitter!

  251. I confess to not looking too hard – OK not at all – but someone, somewhere must be questioning Cesc’s loyalties after his performance today, as well.

  252. Yogi, there were a few around me today telling him to bleep, bleep off back to the BBB bench! I don’t think it’s about that though, I think it’s that hamstring issue. He mentioned in his programme notes just how many games he has played for us and for Spain. Perhaps he needs a few games out to completely put that injury out of his mind and to help him regain his hunger. Even though he is captain, maybe he needs to recover fully and then have to fight for his place in the team.

  253. does kos def get a 3 match ban then?

  254. Yes word, and there was no way it should have been a red card either. It’s unbelievable that you can ruin someone’s career with a reckless tackle and get the same punishment.

  255. Pathetic performance today. By the whole team, really. I was so excited to see the team he played today, but it went horribly wrong. Cesc, was horrible today, never seen him play so badly for a long time. The only player, who seems to be in the game to me, was the first one to be substituted. Apart from that it was just baffling. Cesc should have been taken off, because on the t.v atleast, Wilshere was playing a lot better. Cesc had too many misplaced passes, and kept losing the ball.

    Can’t blame Fabianksi for the goal, it was horrible defending. He should have done better when he decided to come off his line, but with that sort of defending, you just can’t blame him for the goal.

    And since when did we start playing like the chavs? With all those long balls. The distribution of the ball was pathetic. I guess Pz, makes a lot of sense about Denilson. I really don’t know how we lost this match, with so many big players on the pitch, the creativity was abysmal. I think Rosicky should have come on instead of throwing every striker we have onto the pitch. Whose going to create, and move the ball from the back to the forwards? Clichy and Squallaci with their long balls that we never won. Never passed our way through the pitch today.

  256. Limestonegunner

    I thought it would be a one match ban and that three match bans were for violent play offenses. That does seem terribly unjust for a very questionable goal-scoring chance and very minimal contact foul.

  257. hopefully tv5 is back soon… but no ‘rushing’ obviously

  258. Great goal by Eduardo yesterday I think. Apologies if this has already been posted:

  259. We go back to the summer why didnt Wenger sign a quality keeper.It was the number 1 priority.First Almunia v WBA now Fabianski today.We cant afford to drop points because of goalkeeping errors.6 pts lost to two promoted sides at HOME

  260. Limestonegunner

    We could use finishing like that, OOU!

  261. Limestonegunner

    Gooner Bob, I fault the outfield defenders here. It is a common problem for us–set pieces; it is not just Fabianski’s fault. It also isn’t his fault that for some reason we couldn’t score a goal at home. We had real difficulty doing it last weekend as well.

  262. Word

    It’s one match. The dismissal was for a professional foul which is a one-match ban; violent play carries a 3 match ban.

    Click to access SectionsABC_FAHandbook.pdf

    Page 315, para (c)


  263. I’ve been out of the loop, Finsbury. Don’t even know what’s wrong with him. Last I saw he was bossing them at St James’ Park… or SJP… the Sarah Jessica Parker of football grounds… half-covered, oppressively cold, and a massive nose.

    The Willie Young/Paul Allen Cup Final Takedown doesn’t put us Arsenal fans on great footing when it comes to ‘denying a clear goal scoring opportunity’ incidents but this was a pretty farcical dismissal and I fully expect an appeal. The ‘foul’ was just a tangling of legs on the run, hardly a professional foul… plus it happened so wide and high up the pitch that it wasn’t an actual goal scoring opportunity at all… plus Seb Squillaci was in line so Koscielny wasn’t even the last man. ‘OWZAT, Dean!’

    Didn’t Vermaelen just get one match for his straight-red ‘foul’ in similar circumstances on Franco last season?

    Solksjaer on Rob Lee ’98 this was not.

  264. Queen of Suburbia

    Did anyone else think the crowd could have done more today?

    Krul was wasting time constantly but most people around me just sat on their hands rather than taking the opportunity to reminds the ref of the rules, also the constant spoiling and diving seemed to suck the life out of the fans as well as our players.

  265. Oh, well done, YW. Glad you’ve cleared that up. Still want an appeal on principle really but Djourou and Seb can handle Wolves. Each appeal should be treated completely independantly and without context of course but knowing the FA they’ll probably take one look at us with our briefcase of watertight scientific evidence, roll their eyes and say “Ee up, ‘ere we go, lads.” So maybe we should save up our lifelines.


  266. I wasn’t at the game today, QoS, but we’re usually pretty good at pointing out time-wasting. We get it every single game.

    In my experience Sunday football is always a bit sleepier in the stands. Frustrating really for those who are up for it.

  267. Queen of Suburbia

    I counted 22 seconds for Krul holding the ball in his hands at one point.

    I felt Mr Dean got a very easy ride today. He really is an awful awful ref.

  268. Queen of Suburbia

    On the goal, Chamakh was supposed to be marketing Carroll but didn’t track hom or tried to block his run.

    He also did the same thing on a couple of other set pieces as well. Thankfully without consequence.

    Perhaps we were marking zonally? Either that or he just switched off?

  269. Just can’t wait for this team to get their rhythm back – it’s so close. Fabregas’ stuttering start to the season is obvious but add to that the comedy revolving door of injuries we’ve had… we’ve been unsettled and a little makeweight for some time. Different personnel each game. We’ve gotta get that mojo-flow back. I think it’s just around the corner and I expect a quick, slick, bedazzling display at Wolves on Wednesday. I also expect Tevez to punish the mancs… and Chelsea’s time will come at our place.


  270. second half was unbelievably shocking . no one turned up.created nada. l was so happy to see Robin on the pitch but he wasnt rocking. He wasn’t fit at all. not only him , cesc too. they are eager to play but they need to be honest with the manager when they are not fit, maybe in their head they think they are fit but that wasn’t the case today . We are better that the way we played today. The only positive today was seeing the chavs losing at the same time i’m disappointed. we missed a good opportunity to close the gap. this kind of result is not good it gives hope to the lower sides when they come to the EMIRATES . the only way to put that right is by thrashig someone soon.

  271. cheers yogi, never can find my handbook when i need it!

  272. Talking about time wasting, while Krul was being treated for an “injury”, there were a few Newcastle players chatting and having a drink as if standing around a coffee machine with all the time in world on their hands.

  273. “Yogi’s Warrior – I confess to not looking too hard – OK not at all – but someone, somewhere must be questioning Cesc’s loyalties after his performance today, as well.”

    Doomer talk.
    All our players are the best at their positions and it is only injuries, refs and the Lord above deciding we will lose that cause our losses.
    Any other explaination means one is a false fan and relegated to the fires of a spud fan.

  274. Newcastle didn’t play as well as people are claiming. An objective summary would be that it was a 50-50 match.

    We have a tendency to overrate the opposition if we aren’t tearing them apart. Newcastle did nothing special besides score a lucky goal off of a keeping error and then sit back and hoof it forward the rest of the game.

    Since our midfield was so committed going forward, there was a lot of space between them and our defense so it was easier for Newcastle to keep possession. In addition, the targeted the full-backs, and Sagna and Clichy are not going to win headers against Andy Carroll. Basically they got a some-what lucky opening goal (brave header from Carroll) and their work was cut out for them.

    We also have a tendency to overrate our own team. No offense intended to Limpar Assist, but I disagree with statements such as:

    “I think it’s just around the corner and I expect a quick, slick, bedazzling display at Wolves on Wednesday.”

    Why would Wolves do anything different than Newcastle? Having smelled blood, they will be ready to attack us as well.

    I don’t want to sound like too much of a doomer, but there were some bright spots. Arshavin had some good touches, and things could’ve been very different had Theo’s or Cesc’s shots hit the underside of the bar instead. So it’s not an abject performance, just an awful result.

  275. Harsh,

    Although still shrouded in post-match depression, I couldn’t have said it better: “not an abject performance, just an awful result”.

    We played poorly only for the free kick that led to their goal. We were a little over elaborate in the final third and Chamakh was too generous rather than showing the goal-scorer’s greed when opportunities presented themselves. He seemed to have very few (if any) shots. Yet his effort was great and he can easily rectify his problems.

    Our midfield (particularly Walcott and Cesc – about whom I shall say more shortly) lost far too many battles. So the case has to be there that they wanted it more.


    I don’t know if everyone has children and has ever watched how they act up for distinct audiences? I ask this because I feel that Cesc is currently acting up for a Barcelona and Spanish team mates who are watching and waiting. Just look at his demeanour this season. I feel that he’s actively resisting any signs of enthusiasm that might lead to those overseas observers thinking that his heart is not wholly and 100% with them. He will not smile and deliberately presents the appearance of a spoilt child who is merely doing his ‘contractual duty’. I jmight be wrong here but your captain has to show enthusiasm and I just do not perceive that with Cesc on the pitch or in interviews this season. Yesterday this was only compounded by what can only be described as an abject performance for someone of his abilities. Maybe his injury is still affecting him and that things will improve but his persona is down to him and needs addressing swiftly. So yes, on this occasion I do see real grounds for questioning his commitment.

    I agree that Rosicky should have replaced him from the start of the second half.

    I still believe that this will be a great season and that’s partly because everyone can be beaten if they don’t show up or are not clinical in front of goal on any given day. And more yet, we do have the best squad bar none. hopefully Diaby recovers fully and Ramsey returns to the fold quickly.


  276. Above my own post loss irritations, I think our manager said it best:

    “We were never in full flow, but we played against a good Newcastle team who are a team of men, strong physically, mature,” lamented the Arsenal manager. “We did not look sharp and we never found any sharpness. We never found the second gear. Overall, though, I still believe we were very unlucky to lose the game, they had one shot on target. We hit the woodwork two or three times and their keeper made a very good save.”

    Better will come

  277. We didn’t play anywhere near our own high standards, and got nothing from the game. Manure were the same but got all three points. In essence that has been our problem for years. I liken us to an F1 car; if everything is running well we can be unstopable, but if certain elements do not work well we struggle to make it to the finish line.

  278. Harsh I think there is some truth in what you say. When we win we are world beaters and domination is just around the corner and when we lose, its the end of the world. The truth lies somewhere in between.

    My worry is the home form – losing to newly promoted teams gives the impression that we are there for the taking and encourages others to adopt the same tactics. It feels like we are returning to the bad old days of a couple of seasons ago when we had to play the 10-men behind the ball teams at home and laboured to get anything. I thought we had found a way around that but we seem to have fallen back into a familiar pattern. Those embarrassing long balls at the end of yesterday’s game that were so inaccurate, kept giving possession back to the opposition and just smacked of desperation and a shortage of creativity. Very disappointing for a team like ours, which prides itself on creativity and beautiful football.

    An honest heart to heart is required between the players. If they really want to win something, they need to start putting their money where their mouths are and fight for it. They have the talent to do it, stop wasting it.

  279. It’s so important for our style of play that we score the first goal. If we get two no team (bar wigan athletic) can come back!

  280. I am saddened to hear about the salacious rumours that Arsene Wenger is having an affair with a 39 year old parisian hip hop failure. Have they nothing better to do than perscute one of the best managers of our time?

  281. Seems from the reports like it was part of their game plan to target Fabianski. That is very worrying indeed, because its not the first time we’ve heard a team do that successfully.

    Are other top four defences targeted in the same way? Didn’t seem to work at all when stoke played manu recently. All the long throws and crosses into the box hardly caused a stirr. It will be hard for us to get a away with such a reputation.

    WB and Shakhtar didn’t even have to go that route with us. We just seem to have too many vulnerabilities, not least our own self defeating tendency to be ‘complacent’ and not apply our immense talents well enough.

  282. Each to their own, Harsh. I remember Molineux last year; great performance, and we are better now than we were then and they are worse. Being as it is that I believe our lack of sharpness, speed and flow against Newcastle was a whole-team dip born of key individuals not playing to their potential, rather than some inevitable targeting of a weak, wounded animal – I see no reason at all to expect anything less than a brilliant comeback against Wolves. We’ll see who’s right.

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