Stone Cold Friday: Time For Arsenal Supporters To Move On

Monday’s post was originally going to be entitled, “********. There Are Going To Be A ******** Of ******* Whinging ******** About This Week”. Seems I wasn’t alone in thinking that. Darius agrees.

This past week is one of the most depressing I have witnessed as an Arsenal supporter. I’m not talking here about the loss to Man United in the Sunday league fixture at the Emirates. Far from that as I’m a bit more realistic that we won’t win every match we play. It’s more the mass hysteria and the venomous negativity after the self destruct button was engaged by the footballing establishment and Arsenal’s own home grown doom and gloom merchants.

I always find that 2 things help following a disappointing loss.

Firstly, the faster the team gets back on the pitch and corrects the situation, the happier I tend to feel. The Arsenal team didn’t cover themselves in glory on Sunday, and any self respecting player will want to put this right for their own sake and for the sanity of Arsenal supporters.

Secondly, I also find that it helps to reflect after the cold light of day has passed. Football is a profoundly emotive subject and many a time as supporters, we can overwhelm ourselves by our propensity to take leave of our faculties that are responsible for perspective and reason.

I don’t know what it is, but it’s like there’s an unbearable fragility within a section of the Gooner nation that cannot stomach adversity. It’s a characteristic that bears its ugly mug every time Arsenal doesn’t win by playing champagne football.

Let’s get a few things out of the way. I don’t have an issue with fans who like me get bitterly disappointed when the Arsenal team loses. It’s unreasonable and arrogant to expect that we will win every game. No one has the divine right to do that. In fact, I am normally fairly satisfied if and when we lose but the team show great spirit, application, sheer determination and fight. The kind of fight that sees the team scrambling to the death for that desperate point or that elusive win.

There are cases where the team literally throws the match away, and many supporters will be bitterly disappointed. The rightful expectation will be that the team puts this in order as soon as possible.

In this respect, I have no issue with the debate and critiquing of tactics and poor individual or collective team performances. I have no issue in folks expressing the fact that improvements need to be shown individually and collectively.

We’ve had many discussions for example, about the mental fortitude needed by the team, as well as the virtues of defensive discipline that needs to be drilled into the entire team. We’ve expressed our desire to see the players be forced to eat, sleep and breathe this sort of discipline so that they’re better equipped to deal with the different challenges and obstacles that opponents present from time to time.

In my view, what has been unacceptable and bang out of order in the last few days is the outright and wholesale negativity and venom towards Wenger and the team. I’m usually pretty selective about what Arsenal blog or newspaper I read, or what I watch or listen to – but the Armageddon type of hysteria and negativity that has been floating around the Gooner nation has been sickening.

There’s even a petition that has been started to get the Arsenal board to fire Wenger. Supposedly, the myopic view is that the usual suspects of Guus Hiddink, Frank Rijkaard, Jose Mourinho et al, will certainly do a better job. I’m not even going to waste any more real estate on this blog discussing how ridiculous it is to even contemplate a change in manager, but I just wanted to highlight some of the ways in which this extreme hysteria is manifesting itself.

Clearly, the Arsenal team has a lot more work to do. I’m actually quite happy that the January transfer window is firmly slammed shut – so we can get on with the job of fighting on in the league without the speculative distractions of player transfers. I don’t believe that buying ’off-the-shelf’ solutions whenever you face an obstacle is the answer to every problem. I’m not averse to bringing in new players – in fact I support that.

However, any new player being brought in has to absolutely add value and has to be the right fit for Arsenal. I have faith enough that Arsenal has the best and most extensive scouting system in the world and if such a player was available and was value for money, Arsenal would get that player.

I don’t subscribe to the nonsense of spewing out every so called ’big name’ player that the tabloids concoct. I would suggest that our scouting network is in a better position to figure out whether a player is good enough for Arsenal or not. If tabloid journalists were that good, they’d be earning better money as football scouts in the first place instead of concocting rumours linking players to clubs.

I still have the conviction that we have the personnel to cope for the rest of the season. We need to actually just get on with the job. The issues for this team are not personnel based; they’re more to do with application and mental strength.

Perhaps Hull City forcing Chelsea to travel back down south with a point is reminder enough that perspective and faith do have a place in this mad world of football. It’s certainly not impossible to beat Chelsea at Stamford Bridge, because we beat them in the corresponding fixture last season – and we had a weaker team then. We certainly won’t win if the players don’t style up and play like they actually want it more than Chelsea, and we certainly won’t win if the fans self destruct at every available opportunity.

There is such a thing as working together and supporting each other. The team needs the supporters, and the supporters need the team to deliver. Unfortunately, as supporters, we have a lot to learn from teams like Liverpool and stoke City. The match day support that their team get – win, lose or draw lifts the stadium atmosphere to heights that we can only dream of.

When our players are having a nightmare on the pitch, you cannot under-estimate what role good solid support plays in lifting the players’ individual and collective games. It’s as much a reminder of why they must lift their game to prove their worthy of the shirt, as much as it is an affirmation that we are all right behind them.

I’m sure that like Arsenal, the fans from these other teams have grievances about all manner of issues. The difference is that they know when and how to lift their team when it most counts on match day.

Maturely and rationally debating the poor form and tactics of the team, as well as showing absolute vocal support when it’s most needed are both responsibilities we have as fans. They are not mutually exclusive and can exist in the same space.

’til Tomorrow.

Posted on February 4, 2010, in Arsenal, Football, Premier League, Premiership, Soccer and tagged , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 392 Comments.

  1. Nice post YW.

  2. Lets get behind the team and go for the title! It’s not over yet – not by a long shot!

  3. Chelsea are well beatable partner, it will be about taking chances and you know this dog

  4. Let’s move on from the youth policy.

  5. Maybe an OAP policy?

  6. good post.
    I can’t understand this desire to piss on their chips that some fans have .
    Insane.
    COYFG

  7. claptongoon, Football gives people a chance to vent some anger though doesn’t it, you guys read far far far to much into it. Almost all football fans think they know best and love to moan, and you know this

  8. Goonerandy.

    I’m the one who writes the Stone Cold Friday column though YW posts it up here.

    You might also want to read what I’ve said today about the mental fortitude and discipline that the Arsenal team needs to fight for the title.

  9. Goonerandy, or you might not

  10. Yo Darius, Is Yogi your Guru?

  11. ” There’s even a petition that has been started to get the Arsenal board to fire Wenger…..”

    Good grief…..I really wonder if these petitions are from Real Arsenal Fans….I dont think any one who really supports MY FOOTBALL CLUB would do such a thing….If indeed it is true???….then surely we have a problem! As supporters I feel we really need to be doing more….we have to let the WORLD know that the nonentities are in a minority….I feel the best way to do that is AT THE GROUNDS….WE NEED TO TAKE A LEAF OUT THE LIVERPOL SUPPORTES ETHUS!……WIN/DRAW/LOOSE!…..WE ARE ARSENAL!

  12. I dont think people understand the youth policy. Its not about this team right now, or even the next one. Its about teaching players to reach a certain level on a consitant bases.

    We either invested in that or the first team. As Arsene has been such an advocate of that I believe we owe him. No one would of been as un-selfish as him with the club.

    COME ON THE GUNNERS

  13. I agree. This team is still a work in progress and we’re not too far away from having the requisite qualities to win this league. The players have proved over the course of this season that they can go “oop North” on a rainy December evening and get a result against the smaller teams. Now they just need the belief that they can beat Manchester United and Chelsea. It’s almost a psychological issue for the players which will hopefully resolve itself after we next beat them. Supporting the players, rather than slating them, might help them achieve this on Sunday against Chelscum. Come on you Gooners.

  14. I agree with what has been written here..but the fact remains…if arsenal lose the next 2 matches…then for sure Wenger is in big big trouble…unless Arsenal somehow manage to reach the Champions League final in madrid…

  15. The difference between the away fans and home fans is huge I actually enjoy the away games better because the handful of supporters that travel are regulars who support the team no matter what. At the Emirates you get all sort, some just want to brag or simply petulant people who want everything to be perfect, a misplaced pass normally received with groans ,we go 1 down and all of a sudden they start thinking “I should’ve supported Manure”. I’m sure the away fans will do us proud again and we will come with the result we need.

  16. brdgunner, the thing is though dog, youth policy is a great idea untill clubs like Barcelona come calling, I think fans get annoyed producing good players who move on when there just about to hit there peak, you feeling me

  17. Amit, Wenger is the only manager in the league who is unsackable, I include fergie in that as well

  18. Wenger won’t be in trouble. We’ll just regroup and win it next year. I think Arsene was a little premature when he said at the beginning of the season that this team was ready to win the league. We’re a little short this year (ha ha) and the players still need to rise to the big stage. Next year will be ours!

  19. I believe Arsene will fix the issues this summer

  20. agreed Petey

  21. 1 loose cannon, why dont you ask Song what he thinks of the away fans?, its a football problem in general, not an Arsenal home support problem. Personally, i blame society………….and Tony Blair

  22. Well said Yogi.
    I am in the slightly unusual position of having two sons, one born just outside Liverpool and one in Manchester. I encouraged them to support a team from there town, one supports Liverpool the other Man City.
    Many and loud were the arguments over the years around the breakfast table, but the thinking was that if they could handle me, handling the verbal assaults from their peers would be a doddle.
    What has this to do with the Arsenal, well, both would give their right arm to see the team they support win the league. But when they and their friends gather the talk is not of sackings and rubbish players, sure they bemoan the quality of the football, but call for the managers head no. In fact the city fan is convinced that the exit of Sparky from city was the work of ex Arsenal man Brain Marwood and that City would be where they are still if Hughes had stayed.
    The Liverpool fan says lets do nothing till the season end, we can evaluate more easily then. Our club is in a mess and it is not all Rafa’s doing.

    Consider these attitudes compared to the rabid spouting that have besmirched the Arsenal blogs this week,and you get to understand why other clubs supporters look upon many Arsenal fans with pity and contempt, viewing them as whinging spoilt brats.

    Who can blame them when they watch the open vilification of Mr Wenger, in spite of the trophies and financial stability he has brought our club. All achieved on the back of the best and purest football this poster has seen in 50 plus years of watching, suffering, enjoying, glorying in, but always supporting MY ARSENAL.

    Look around you Doomers next time you are at the emirates , see how the Portsmouth and Hull fans get behind the team and be ashamed. Like many rich kids brought up on excess your constant demands for more are obscene and besmirch the name of our great club and Manager.

  23. Dandan, good post I must say dog

  24. I saw that petition – on “Arsenal Action” (which along with Le Grove is one of the most embarrassingly poorly informed, immature and needless Arsenal blogs out there IMO), and it was at least satisfying to see the number of comments telling the author exactly where he should go. The lads who write these blogs tend to assume that support for Arsene Wenger is built on blind faith, rather than an understanding of what he has done for the club and where he is taking it. Sure, if you’re only supporting Arsenal for the year and then moving, you want instant success now. But those of us supporting the club for life (and attending all the matches, I should say) are still basking in the glow of our doubles and FA cups and even Anfield ’89, and will happily wait another year or two before the trophies come. In the meantime lets watch a financially secure club play stunning football and win the majority of games they play. Most real football supporters would kill for that.

  25. Sorry Darius, I wrongly credited Yogi. Good post

  26. What utter rubbish
    we have 5 wins from 17 games against Man utd Chelsea and Liverpool.. hows that a work in progress, its rubbish

    The team are not strong enough, and the ground is full of corporates? how do you expect an atmoshere ,, we have no decent songs, and unfortunately the way we play does not ad to the excitment.

    Stoke fans go bonkers if they get a throw in of freekick..because they know it will end up in the box with players attcking it

    we pass the 30 /40 times to get the ball back to where is started.

  27. While I totally agree with getting behind the team and not doubting the players technical ability, it becomes increasingly difficult to do so after witnessing the shambolic display last Sunday. This is not a one off situation, every time we come up against a good side we get found out. Either tactically, mentally or physically, a situation that has not changed over the last 2-3 seasons.
    I do feel that some changes are required, is Pat Rice to cosy, is the training to repeticious, is no one instilling the pride to wear the Arsenal shirt?
    Some players do look as if they are not aware what it means.
    I certainly feel that the belief is sometimes not there, that the players are not being prepared properly, where does the blame lie – the players, the management – it will be interesting to see the players mindset and performance on Sunday?

  28. Darius,

    When you first met Yogi, did he make you wash his cars and paint his fence?

  29. William you donut

  30. Raefem.

    Let’s fire the whole lot. Wenger for incompetence, the whole first team for not being able to make the grade, the whole medical team for the number of injuries we have – heck even Vic Acres for the ridiculous kit we wear.

    Fire the lot of them.

  31. William.

    I don’t argue with fools, people won’t notice the difference. Just move right along.

  32. ‘Chelsea are well beatable partner, it will be
    about taking chances and you know this dog’

    wow William i’ve never actually heard you say anything about anything to do with Arsenal you are making progress and you know this dog. next step is to respect other people specially the one who wrote today’s post partner and you know this

  33. lol@Zap

  34. I agree with everything except that we couldn’t find better players than Denilson or Almunia in the transfer market. Now c’mon, that’s just ludicrous. And don’t say that we already have their replacements or something in Ramsey and Fabianski… if so then bloody well start them!

  35. I stopped reading half way through as I found this article both patronising and nauseating.

    Yes, calling for Wenger’s head is a step too far but not being allowed to question Wenger’s poor tactics and lack of buys? Why shouldn’t our fans be allowed to vent?

    Everyone can see the weak points in this team yet Wenger refuses too. Enough is enough.

  36. William is one of the contributors to this blog whom I most respect.

  37. JoppaRoad

    With all due respect, I didn’t suggest that supporters don’t question the performance of the team or criticize the tactics employed.

    I even said that this is a specific responsibility that we have.

    Throwing your toys out of the pram is a divine right that you have, and I’d be disappointed if you didn’t air your alternative view. However, I don’t think its too much to ask that you engage with the merits and argument of the issue if you’re going to take the trouble of responding.

  38. Darius, remember that time we went down Bournemouth and Yogi made you go in the sea to learn balance? That was funny.

    Zap you donut, what level are you at Fifa?

  39. Poliziano if there was a king of sarcasm you would be prince

  40. William u donut i would beat you and you know this partner

  41. Then I would surely be your son, William.

    I like you. You bring forth good fruit, even though you are an apple tree that brings forth figs.

  42. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with considering whether the Wenger way can take this club to the next level. But it should be a rational constructive debate not knee jerk reaction to adversity.

    The fear is whether his management style has left players in a comfort zone, remember Wenger had to go mad at the team for them to turn round the game at Liverpool.

    My concern is that we seem to go round in circles and find ourselves reliving the same season over and over again. It gives the impression that the club are drifting. The gap in the league is also closing with Spurs, Villa and City all improving as a result fear is growing although I have to say I prefer competitive games rather than easily achieved wins.

    I wonder whether a more tactical focused manager might be required to win at the key prizes. The way Ferguson has kept what is probably the worst Man Utd side in 20 years competitive demonstrates that different styles of management have their merits.

    This however is a debate for the close season certainly not while we are still potentially battling for the title, there are still many twists to come I’m sure.

    P.s. with such a close title race does Wolves decision to play and lose to Man Utd with a weakened side at OT bring the league into disrepute

  43. A post from the heart there Darius. There will always be doomers.Fact of life. Instead of wasting time trying to convert them just ignore the twats. They have their own well known Doomer circles and lets keep the balanced debate alive. Nobody ever said the team didnt have faults but the team isnt crap either. Onwards and upwards

  44. Perhaps more pommes de terre than pommes.

  45. More Bucks Fizz than Abba

  46. Darius,

    There is losing and there is losing looking so out of your depth that its almost embarassing. No one is denying Wenger has done a great job over the years but his stubborness is now coming back to bite him.

    e.g. Team is on a great run so plays a weakened team at Stoke in the FA Cup because he doesn’t believe the oldest cup competition in the world to be worthy. That immediately gets peoples backs up.

    Remember him doing this two years ago at OT. Remind what happened from that point onwards. If we had still been in the FA Cup now maybe the feelings of the fans would be a little more forgiving.

    We all know (and have done for a good few years) that alot of these players need cutting but its turning into a one man crusade and I feel the club is bigger and better than that.

    Now if we don’t have the funds then please come out and say and then maybe the fans can accept the siutation and start to comment on what an excellent job Wenger is doing under constraint.

    I remember commenting on Wrighty7 over a year ago that its not acceptable to just settle for CL spot and that if we were not careful this would become our goal. Thats not acceptable to me.

    ps. I don’t think Arsenal will have any problem with away support they get vs Chelsea.

  47. Great post DS. I was shocked when i saw the petition to get rid of Wenger.

    You make a great point about the crowd lifting players even if they aren’t playing at their best. All the ‘sighs’ and moans must be demoralising, even for the most professional players. Most players will be annoyed enough with themselves after making a mistake, without the majority of their ‘supporters’ giving them shit as well.

    Did you take something on board from our ‘discussion’ yesterday William? As Zap says, this is the first time you’ve actually talked Arsenal – although that was shortly followed by your usual shite.. again, you know this dog

  48. Keep the faith,o ye gunners!

  49. Golden rule of understanding Arsenal fans online.

    1. When you hear “Wenger is so stubborn”, the person talking is very likely to be a fuckwit.

  50. Wenger has to show real management skills on sunday and

    1.Drop the hapless Almunia.The defence has lost all faith in him.poor keeper in poor form

    2.Play Campbell in a back 5 and tell him to stick like glue to Drogba

    3.Drop Denilson.If he plays he will get eaten alive by the chelsea midfield

    4.Play Bendtner in the middle not stuck out on the wing

    5.Pray

  51. Time to review the Arsenal fans youth policy. It clearly isn’t working.

    Some of those who show up at the Emirates clearly aren’t fit to wear the red and white. Some of them show no application, take everything for granted and don’t know how lucky they are to be there in the first place. You can’t argue with the stats.

    They don’t help their team mates out, go missing for large parts of the game, only contribute when the going is easy and are put to shame by fans of so-called lesser clubs who run rings round them.

    This is The Arsenal. We need to get some new fans who show grit and determination, help the cause when the going gets tough and are worthy of champions, not those molly-coddled and protected by Wenger that under-perform week in and week out without taking responsibility for their own performances.

    We have the money, why don’t we just go and get them?

    Good call Darius. Goose and golden egg come to mind.

  52. 6. Tell Pat Rice to take that ‘I just broke wind and nobodys noticed’ look off his face

  53. Great post, possibly a week too late!

    Its fair enough if poeple critcise aspects of the club that they are not happy with but some of the stuff i have heard and read this week makes me far more embarrassed to be a Gooner than the loss to Man Utd did.

    God help us if we lose on Sunday!

    Why do some of our fans give up so easily and not look at the bigger picture. The future is bright gooners, keep the faith.

  54. Joppa Road, you talk about being losers.
    You’d know. E.g. telling some hot chick that you use a girl’s name when you play online poker.

  55. To all those defending Wenger lets look at the facts

    we have gone 6 years without winning the title
    and 5 years without winning anything.
    Yet we are one of the top 5 sides in Europe

    in that 5 years we have lost Henry Vieira Bergkamp and Pires all world class players.Now we have one,Cesc.Dont tell me Arshavin and RVP are world class.One is not consistent the other will NEVER play a full season

    The failure to sign a quality keeper is a major failing by Wenger.Even Wenger loyalists cannot defend Average Al

    We have too many lightweight players who cant stay fit.Walcott the prime example

  56. I agree with Gogsy@ 11.07 am.

    @ Kenny – come on mate, do you read the articles at all, you are just making a fool of yourself!

  57. Ok Kenny so you are just on a wind up. ha, ha. I thought you were an Arsenal fan for a minute. Talk to William, you and he might find you have lots in common.

  58. What does Wenger need defending for?

  59. “Tell Pat Rice to take that ‘I just broke wind and nobodys noticed’ look off his face”

    Tell me, William, how would you describe the expression of someone who has just done as you say. In particular, how would the wind-breaker’s countenance be different if someone had noticed?

  60. GOD,U LE ARSE FANS ARE SO COCKY AND ARROGANT.U GUYS HONESTLY BELIEVE U’LL COME TO THE BRIDGE AND TRASH US.NO WONDER SOME OF YOUR FANS COMMIT SUICIDE IN AFRICA WHEN YOU LOSE A GAME.ARSENAL FANS ARE NOW BELIEVING THEIR OWN HYPE.

    YOU GUYS WERE ALSO VERY CONFIDENT OF TRASHING US AT THE EMIRATES BUT WE SILENCED YOU GUYS.U WERE ALSO VERY CONFIDENT OF TRASHING MANURE BUT THEY SHOWED THEIR GULF IN CLASS TO LE ARSE WITHOUT THEIR RONALDO.HAVE SOME HUMILITY BOYS.BEAT US AT THE BRIDGE BEFORE U START BRAGGING

    BESIDES,WE HAVEN’T LOST AT THE BRIDGE FOR THE PAST 35 GAMES.EVEN BARCELONA DIDN’T BEAT US AT THE BRIDGE…..I’M SORRY ALMIGHTY LE ARSE,U ARE NO BARCELONA…LOL

  61. “Yet we are one of the top 5 sides in Europe”

    Just have a think about that statement for a minute Kenny.

  62. Get back in the cave Dave.

  63. HELLO GOLIATH,HOW U BEEN DOING

  64. Goliath,

    He doesn’t get it.

  65. Dave wish i could have seen ur face when iniesta scored that last minute goal haha.

  66. AS FOR PEOPLE ATTACKING JOHN TERRY AND HIS PARENTS ON THIS BLOG ALL WEEK,U LOTS ARE SAD ,SICK AND TWISTED CHAVS.

    I THOUGHT ARSENAL FANS SAID THEY HAVE CLASS.CLASSLESS BUNCH OF LOSERS.

    UR HEIR TO THE THRONE WAS DOGGING EVERYWHERE AND HAD A STEADY MISTRESS B4 HE DIVORCED DIANA WHICH ULTIMATELY LED TO HER DEATH.

    U GUYS KNOW WHY THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND WAS FORMED…….DUH…SOME LE ARSE FANS NEEDS EDUCATION

    U GUYS ALSO REALISE WHAT THE MP’S HAVE BEEN DOING WITH OWN TAX.CRIMINAL CHARGES MAY EVEN BE IMMINENT.I THOUGHT THEY WERE MEANT TO BE ROLE MODELS.THEY ARE NOW AS CORRUPT AS AFRICAN DICTATORS.

    U GUYS ALSO REALISE WE WERE TAKEN TO A WAR BASED ON A LIE AND INQUIRIES ARE BEING HELD.

    OK,THOUGHT SO…BUT EVERYBODY IS VERY ANGRY AT JOHN TERRY FOR CORRUPTING THEIR LILY WHITE MORALS.

    I WISH HE WOULD EVEN RESIGN HIS CAPTAINCY AND ALSO RESIGN FROM INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALL COS THE MEDIA ARE NOW TARGETING CHELSEA WITH ALL SORTS OF LIES.

    JOHN TERRY IS NOT THE POPE,BOYS AND HE CAN’T KEEP HIS PARENTS UNDER LOCK AND KEY.HIS PRIVATE LIFE SHOULD STAY PRIVATE.WE NEED TO SORT OUR PRIORITIES RIGHT AS A COUNTRY

  67. ZAP,WE FOUGHT TO THE LAST MINUTES DESPITE THE NORWEGIAN TROGLODYTE REFEREE UNLIKE LE ARSE AGAINST MANURE AND AGAINST US IN YOUR STADIUM…I RESPECTED OUR BOYS EVEN MORE

  68. People are attacking John Terry because he’s a c*nt. The infidelity thing just gives us an excuse.

  69. Dave – that post just made me laugh so much, thanks mate you have made my day.

    You have been reading this blog all week, ha ha ha ha ha ha. Why have you been doing that?

    Get back in the cave, Dave.

  70. I just have to keep reading it, it’s classic.

  71. I wish we had more fans like you. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

  72. Dave can u answer my question.

    Why do you come on here, nobody likes you and nobody wants you expressing ur opinion. most just skip ur pointless texts anyway. plz tell me, if you seem to hate arsenal so much, why you don’t just piss off to one of many chelski blogs out there?

  73. Zap – Dave is being ironic. He has created a character which is the steryotype of a Chelsea fan and is using that character for comedic value.

  74. ZAP,I ANSWERED UR QUESTION BACK THEN….UR USELESS ARTICLE BEFORE WE TRASHED U GUYS AT THE EMIRATES WAS WHAT GOT ME HERE.

    U GUYS POSTED THE LINK ON A CHELSEA BLOG BUT DESPITE ALL THE BRAGGING,WE TRASHED U GUYS SOUNDLY AT THE EMIRATES

  75. ZAP,HOPE UR BRAIN IS NOT THE SIZE OF A PEANUT BECAUSE U SEEM TO FORGET EVERYTHING

  76. Rich has written a fabulous post @ 9.13am and I encourage you to read it.

    Wenger is not in the slightest ‘trouble’ and the only ‘trouble’ he will see is that he gives himself as he is his own harshest critic.

    On a lighter note, if anyone ever needed a reason to laugh at chelsea, please, just sit back, relax and read Dave’s last two posts as the views of a chelsea supporter writing on an Arsenal blogsite. Dave you’ve made my day. Thanks! ha ha ha ha.
    I particularly liked the references to MPs and African dictators, as an extension of Terry-gate.

  77. Please people just ignore the troll.

  78. My question is, since supporters often emulate their football heroes, is this kind of behaviour a ‘chelsea thing’? Dave’s over vociferous almost ‘self’ defence has ‘yes’ written all over it.

  79. I didn’t find him very funny until now. But “JOHN TERRY IS NOT THE POPE” got me chuckling.

  80. zimpaul,I DON’T THINK YOU WILL BE LAUGHING AT CHELSEA AFTER THE GAME AT THE BRIDGE ON SUNDAY.

  81. Petition to get rid of Wenger, what a joke!

  82. It is a joke, ZP – there are 22 names on it.

  83. Dave my brother, … um …. ha ha ha ha ha hee tee tee ha ho ha ho ha no sorry, oh sherbert I can’t ha ha stop he ha hee stop ha ah laughing, sorry sorry, give me a minute, oh my god, I need to catch my breath … Dave you’re wasted on a blogsite you need to be on telly…

  84. DAVE.

    ARE U AN ARSENAL FAN? HOW IS IT THAT U READ THIS LOVELY BLOG EVERY WEEK?

    IF U ARNT

  85. Well if John Terry isn’t the Pope, who the hell is?

  86. oh that’s priceless OOU, 22 names, this day just gets better and better. I hope they try and deliver it. We must write and encourage them to ‘go all the way, and have courage’.

  87. ZIMPAUL,FOOTBALLERS ARE NOT HEROES.THEY ARE OVERPAID AND NARCISSISTIC.THOSE YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN SACRIFICING IN IRAQ AND AFGANISTAN ARE HEROES.

    SELFLESS SERVICE IN A DANGEROUS JOB WITH LITTLE PAY.BE PATRIOTIC,BOY…OH,I FORGOT LE ARSE FANS ARE FOREIGNERS LIKE THEIR FOOTBALL TEAM.

    I HOPE U GUYS CAN FIND ONE ENGLISH MAN TO PLAY AGAINST US ON SUNDAY…WE DON’T NEED TO WIN AGAINST ALL FOREIGNERS.

    MAYBE UR ONLY ENGLISH MAN,THEO WALCOTT WOULD PLAY AND KEEP RUNNING WITH INTO AN ALLEY

  88. THEN MAYBE U SHOULD BE…SEEMS LIKE U HAVE THE MORAL FIBER…TALKING ABOUT AFRICAN DICTATORS AND CORRUPT POLITICIANS WHILE YOUR CLUB IS BEING RUN BY THE RUSSIAN MAFIA

  89. OK DAVE SEE U AT THE BRIDGE … (this is spoken in a deep, gruff, ‘manly’ voice) THEN WELL SEE WHAT UR MADE OF (that bit is has a slight squeak in the voice) U GETTING TRASHED THIS TIME (alternating gruff and squeak) … I WANT JOHN TO DROP HIS NICKERS N SHOW US THE EVIDENCE (back to squeak)

  90. U GUYS ARE ALREADY WROTE A PETITION FOR LE PROFESSEUR WENGUS TO BE SACKED.

    GOD IN HEAVEN,MANURE MUST HAVE MADE U GUYS MAD AFTER THE GAME

    WHERE IS THE “IN WENGUS WE TRUST” SLOGAN..LOL.

    HOPE WENGUS STAYS FOR EVER IN ARSE AND KEEP BUYING HIS 4FT2IN PRE PUBERTY KIDS.

  91. the young men and women fighting for Iraq and Afghanistan are heroes

  92. MAYBE U CAN UNDERSTAND ME NOW THAT IM TYPING IN CAPS

  93. Quotes from Arshavin –

    ‘Third place is where we stand today, and that is already a great success for Arsenal when you take into account the class of our eleven players,’ said Arshavin. ‘Of course, we try to win every match, but class is class.’

    ‘If Arsenal want to become champions, how can they select Arshavin as centre forward?’ he said. ‘I am 173cm (5ft 7in) and it suits me, but next to the big centre halves of United it is very difficult to fight for the ball, especially in the air.’

    How many times is he going to talk about things like this? I do admire his honesty but surely someone should have a word about talking out so often… He has been quoted saying quite a few negative things recently, i really hope he doesn’t think he’s above the team…

  94. Whatever said and done, don’t you agree that it is unforgivable playing against one of the best teams in Europe without a striker? Without a STRIKER!!! Wenger has to take responsibilty for that, knowing we have had a few people injured.

    Now saying we were very very close to signing someone is just pure bullshit! We don’t want to know! We have either signed or not, it is simple as that. Don’t tell us that we were close to sigining someone. What is ****** point in that?

  95. What are on about Chelsea being targeted with lies dave? Was it a lie that he dipped his toe in his colleague’s girlfriend? Bridge would beg to differe.

    Isnt being a top 5 club in the world an achievement in itself?There is no pleasing some people. I bet even after we buy the so called “new faces” they will find something new to whinge about. Arsenal fans indeed!!

  96. Zap, my brother, well said. Dave, my fool of the day, you may not have noticed but everyone is foreigner somewhere. I know that’s a hard concept for you, but try. Geddit?

  97. hahaha arseman

  98. OK, even the Dave joke wears thin eventually. thanks dave, you can f*ck off now, cheerio thanks again.

  99. ARSEMAN,YOU GUYS KEEP TALKING ABOUT RUSSIAN MAFIA FOREVER.IT’S GETTING A BIT OLD,DON’T YOU THINK.

    IS EVERY RICH DUDE A MAFIA.IS YOUR POTENTIAL AMERICAN OWNER A MAFIA.OR U BEING PAROCHIAL BY CALLING OUR OWNER A MAFIA BECAUSE HE’S RUSSIAN.

    IF HE COMMITTED ANY CRIMES,WHY IS HE NOT IN PRISON.THE BUSINESS WORLD IS BRUTAL ,SON AND IT ALL ABOUT SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST.

  100. people where can i find the said petition? I want to go on there and tell them where to stick it.

    sanelan would you rather we had signed just anybody to appease you? If Wenger says he tried to sign someone I believe him.

    Arse shavin this guy might have talent but he has been pissing me off alot lately with his outburst to the press, maybe it would have served him better to pass the ball a couple of times in the Manu game. Infact I am sure(not really) if he had passed this week outroar wouldnt have happened!!

  101. Since England is a country with corrupt politicians that goes to war for a lie, and since its national church was set up so Prince Charles could marry Camilla Parker Bowles, why would we want any of the f*ckers in our team?

  102. i agree as much as i love him he’s been a bit stupid going and saying why we can’t win the title. And then u have cesc saying we must believe that’s why he’s captain that’s why he’s one of the best in the world and he’s only 22.

    Arshavin really has to start looking for other players rather than the back of the net…

  103. UMM…IF U HAD AN IOTA OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE KGB…UD KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT.
    BUT THEN AGAIN ITS STUPID TO EXPECT A CHELSEA FAN TO HAVE AN IOTA OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT ANYTHING EXCEPT WHAT COLOR UNDERWEAR JOHN TERRY WEARS.

    PEOPLE…TYPE IN CAPS…HE SEEMS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT UR SAYING THEN

  104. Firstlady,

    How can you respond to supposed quotes by Arshavin when the poster didn’t even think it fit to post a link?

  105. An excellent post Darius. Pity many of the responses are so juvenile and thoughtless. Your effort does not merit such mindlessness.

    It is not often that as football fans we are forced to view the challenges that face our football club in much the same way we face the challenges before our societies. I, like many outside England, initially became attracted to Arsenal because of the beauty of the football (truly joga bonita) but later became a partisan to the football values of Arsene Wenger; his clear vision that the club cannot be built on the foundations of debt or on the indulgence of a wealthy oligarch. Rather he has the courage and conviction that the club must grow organically on the foundation of youth who are taught to play “the Arsenal way.” Not only does Wenger have a proven track-record of success as a coach of winning teams on the highest level but despite the long term nature of the current project has never failed in 14 years to finish outside of the top four and, arguably, was on track to win the League in the 07-08 until the horrible incident at Birmingham. In fact his blueprint is not even that radical as Barcelona has successfully implemented this strategy commencing with the era Johann Cruyff.

    Yet we have the omniscient, all-knowing members of the anti-support (the D&G brigade) not only dismissing Wenger as a failure but the young talents who at 19-22 years of age are far from reaching their peak physically and emotionally. It is much the same as dismissing the critics of Internet bubble of the early noughties and later the stock-market/real estate bubble that sensationally went splat two years ago. The fact that Wenger has been proven right by the collapsing football bubble in Britain hardly gives pause to the anti-support. It tells you a lot about football and our society.

  106. and reporters as well

  107. I’d go with that Firstlady. He must know what he’s saying and surely not all of it has been mis-quotes? and he must look back at videos of recent games and realise he has been pretty greedy of late…

    I saw the petition headline in capitals on Newsnow a few days ago – didnt bother looking at it, didn’t want my blood pressure hitting overload.

  108. WOW….I WONDER IF HE KNOWS WHAT IOTA OR PAROCHIAL EVEN MEANS…

    HERES SOME HELP DAVE..

    http://www.dictionary.com

  109. Do you not think the reaction was apt. Gutless players, lack of belief and fight. Wegner and team deserve to be slated this week. of course some kids will overract and want him out. We want Wegner to learn not leave and he is simply not learning from mistakes. that team he put out is a reflection of the manager as Uniteds was RedNoses. Going against opinion makes for good reading but this time your wrong. Players like nasri, denilson and almuina were a disgrace to Arsenal shirt, especially more the first two as they were just lazy and insipid. not fit to wear our famous red. they deserve to be benched and I dearly hope Wegner does’nt play them or I wont watch the game. gutless.

  110. Dave how come you have been missing all week? Not so confident anymore after you drew to hull are you? You better start running coz we sure have a point to prove against you stupid lot come Sunday.

    You know I never thought I’d hate another team as much as I hate manure but you have been doing a great job to change my mind. Now if you can go on an die….

  111. oooh! sorry ole, how utterly inconsiderate of me. Firstlady – you must be a complete fool to respond to such a sub-standard poster that doesnt even provide a link…

    Get a grip ole mate, so quick to have a go at other posters from up there in your ivory tower. Here’s the link – just for you:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1248735/Frustrated-Andrey-Arshavin-moans-Arsenal-win-Premier-League-title-makeshift-centre-forward-role.html

  112. Rich – that is some sactimonious sh**t you wrote there. Wegner star is on the wane and its his own fault through sheer stubborness. he and the complicit board are keeping us hemmed in 3rd spot. He has too much power and sometimes doing the obvious is correct.

  113. In fairness to Dave, we ought to recognise that the KGB was trained and funded by the CIA to suppress the sections of Russian society that wished to spread communism to the whole world.

  114. ZIMPAUL,U SOUND SO CONFIDENT….HOPE U’LL BE IN BETWEEN THE STICKS FOR LE ARSE COS ONLY A FREE KICK FROM DROGBA IS ALL IT TAKES TO SCORE AGAINST UR USELESS KEEPER.

  115. I agree poliziano…..but i doubt little Dave knows what the CIA is and what the word Society means.

  116. Arse shavin,

    See? That wasn’t so difficult.

  117. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1248735/Frustrated-Andrey-Arshavin-moans-Arsenal-win-Premier-League-title-makeshift-centre-forward-role.html

    ok that pisses me off.

    Dave:

    WHERE WERE YOU,
    WHERE WERE YOU,
    WHERE WERE YOU WHEN U WERE SHIT

    oh of course you werent born

  118. POOR ARSHAVIN IS CRYING AGAIN….I BET HE THOUGHT HE WAS JOINING CHELSEA …SORRY MATE,U JOINED THE WRONG LONDON TEAM

  119. My wittle bwain weally stwuggled with that actually ole.

    Any comment on the article?

  120. If the quotes attributed to Arshavin are true, I am starting to think he’s more trouble than he’s worth.

  121. Let’s kick racism out of football:

  122. That’s what i’m thinking. He was great last season, really trying to prove how good he is. Now he seems to want to tell everyone how bad the rest of the team is, and doesn’t feel he needs to prove himself any more (IMO). He would rather try to skin the whole defense in their box than pass to one of his ‘sub standard’ team mates

  123. Churnalism at its worst.

    Arshavin talks a lot of sh*t, but some scepticism is needed when it comes to interviews conducted in a foreign language and then translated to English.

  124. *defence*

  125. Then you better stay at home Mustard. I guarantee you they will play.

    Ole gunner i know we dont have the link to that article but don’t you think it would be best if he didnt go blabbing his mouth at every opportunity? That way he wouldn’t end up being misquoted and all.It’s not like he’s been at his best these past few months.
    At this rate this guy will end being more of a trouble-maker than anything.

  126. Arshavin is really starting to fuck me off.

    He was arguably as much to blame as anyone for sunday.

    He had his chances….his chances to pass also. and he didnt take them.

    He should learn to shut his mouth and play for the team.

  127. Fair enough OOU, but it isn’t the first time he has said things like this. Honesty is great, but i would like him to be a bit more careful when talking to these manipulative hacks

  128. titus bramble, starting a comprehensive victory against chelsea.

  129. The fact is (and this is the last I’ll say on the matter) , football has evolved, for better and for worse, and this includes supporters trends. When I started going to Arsenal it cost £2.50 on the gate. Even if you take inflation into account, today’s prices are astronomical. When Arsenal moved to the Emirates, a huge amount of seating was designated to corporate tickets, or executive club seats. In fairness to the club, this has proved to be sensible, as most of these tickets are sold on at least a season long basis and some for 5/10 seasons.. and as they are hugely expensive, they generate a lot of capital for the club on matchdays. Having said this, the new breed of supporter is certainly not limited to the corporate areas.. When Arsenal moved to the Emirates they allowed over 5,000 people ( I think a lot more..) to jump the season ticket queue (estimated at about 12 years long at the time..) by paying either £3750 quid for a D debenture, or £5000 for a C debenture. This payment guaranteed you a season ticket and a payback of the ‘loan’ interest after 25 years. Most of the people who bought debentures were not really connected to Arsenal in any way.. they just took up a good opportunity to be part of a great football club, and own an Arsenal season ticket, which some would consider gold-dust. I mean, I was offered £800 for my 2 tickets against Real Madrid in the Champions League, and last season I was offered a grand for two tickets against Utd in the CL semi final. A lot of these people have the tickets as status symbols and if they can’t be arsed to go they can just recoup their money by selling their tickets for 3/4 big games a season. It really saddens me.
    Of course the consumer driven society we live in, demanding instant gratification at every turn doesnt help.
    Eventually these ‘fans’ will fuck off and go back to watching cricket or something. I hope…

    //Rant over.

  130. Yeah AS, he’s getting on my tits this season as well, but he wouldn’t be the first Arsenal player to fall for a hack’s ruse or be misinterpreted.

    Then again, Adebayor was destroyed by Arsenal fans for less than this last season. I don’t get how the same people who hated Ade can defend AA to the hilt at the moment. The records are similar, same apparent attitude, same look of disinterest – and they both talk way too much.

  131. Arshavin is only speaking the truth.Sometimes the truth hurts

  132. Totally agree OOU.

    At least Cesc has learnt what to say and what not to say… Cesc seems to have really matured in that sense (as well as almost every other sense), even with the constant Barca speculation. If i were Wenger, i would at least ask AA to keep shtum for a while.

    Ironic that his celebration is the finger to the lips isn’t it????

  133. If you read Arshavin’s words without the gloss added by The Mail, what he says is quite innocuous. When we see a fuller account of his comments, it might turn out he is innocent.

  134. I think we should start a petition to have him sold.

  135. Mrs Cheryl Cole is going down going down Mrs. Cole is going down on John Terry. Sing!!! Mrs Drogba is going down…… Mrs. Lampard is going down……..Mrs. Chec. Sing!!!! When your in Distress he’ll be right behind you, although he’ll more likely end up behind your wife!!!!!!

  136. Maybe PZ but almost every other arsenal player doesn’t even give hacks the chance to mis quote. The less he talks, the less i’ll think these things of him. It just seems to be happening a lot at the moment, only from him…

  137. haha rinsing

  138. Arshavin is not a centre forward and never will be.He is 5ft 4ins for god’s sake.Yet Wenger plays him there.What utter madness.We can get away with it v Wigan and Bolton but not the top teams.We should have bought a centre forward on Jan 1st.The moment RVP got injured we should have had a replacement lined up.

    If the title is lost as seems likely the blame falls squarely on Wenger

  139. Apparently the fifth chelsea player to go with that french bird is Ashley Cole, makes sense doesnt it.

    Remember you heard it here first dogs

  140. @Rinsing

    Lol it was 25p…. 5 shillings in old money. when I started going

  141. Haha, ray aka Kenny. Under one of your many nicknames you were celebrating because AA was finally playing in his “preferred position” in the middle back in December. And now I take it you want him moved back to the left?

    Truth is, AA has always had the freedom to roam. Our early attacks against ManU involved him finding a bit of room just inside da Silva on the left flank.

  142. ARSHAVIN IS THE ONLY PERSON RELATED TO LE ARSE THAT IS NOT DELUDED……HE TALKING THE TRUTH ,BOYS…..AND WHAT HE MEANS IN ESSENCE IS THAT HE DOESN’T WANT TO PLAY OUT OF POSITION….

    NO WONDER,LE PROFESSEUR ONLY LOVES 13 YR OLD PLAYERS COS THEY WILL NEVER QUESTION HIM

  143. HA HA HA
    The 28-year-old struggled to make an impact

    against United after starting as the spearhead at

    the Emirates. Arshavin’s favoured role for Russia

    is as a second striker, though he has found

    success for Arsenal playing down the left wing.
    ‘If Arsenal want to become champions, how can they select Arshavin as centre forward?’ he

    said. ‘I am 173cm (5ft 7in) and it suits me, but

    next to the big centre halves of United it is very difficult to fight for the ball, especially in the air.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1248735/Frustrated-Andrey-Arshavin-moans-Arsenal-win-Premier-League-title-makeshift-centre-forward-role.html#ixzz0efO71dGy

  144. Hehehe.. I’m still quite a youngun. But, as alluded to above, you could go on your own with a few mates when you were 13/14 back then.. What kid could afford that today?.. I used to get thrown all over the Northbank as a kid, it was like a huge tidal wave that would rise from the back and then pour forward. Looking back it was pretty dangerous, but in all my time I never saw anyone get hurt. I’m just thankful for all the great memories!..

    5 shillings?.. Really?.. What year was your first match?.

  145. Vanessa Perroncel is a French underwear model, for God’s sake. She’s probably had half the players in the league inside her at one time or another.

  146. ‘It’s from frustration,’ explained Arshavin of his makeshift role. ‘Van Persie is injured and unlikely to play again this season. Eduardo is injured too, but he may be ready to face Chelsea. We are in a difficult situation when it comes to recruiting players.’

    Arsenal face a tough task matching a Chelsea side who registered an impressive 3-0 win at the Emirates in November.

    United’s win last weekend was almost as impressive, with Arshavin surprised at how easily his team-mate Gael Clichy succumbed to the guile of winger Nani.

    ‘In training it is very difficult for me to beat Clichy, but Nani made all the play through him.’

    ARSHAVIN DOESN’T EVEN TRUST HIS TEAM MATES ANY MORE TO FIGHT AGAINST CLASS…..CLICHY WOULD BE DONE AND BURIED ON SUNDAY…LOL

    NO CONFIDENCE IN UR TEAM,BOY DESPITE UR DUTCH COURAGE DISPLAYED IN UR TINY BLOG

  147. Touche Pol @ 12.20pm

  148. ZAP,NO COMMENT ON ARSHAVIN…….STOP HIDING,U FOREIGN BOY….MAYBE UR HIDING FROM UR RUSSIAN LOVE,ARSHAVIN……..LOL

  149. Wonder if Arsh will stick it out til next season?

    In the summer I strongly feel we need a better keeper.

    For Sunday I want Diaby back and Bendtner to start with Arsh and Rosicky playing wide.

  150. oh dear DAVE, i always question someone who goes onto other teams’ sites to spout such bollocks. If you were engaging in a rational debate then i would feel a little less sorry for you, but that seems to be beyond your capabilities

  151. I’m utterly confused now by this lower upper case thing. I think we should have discussion on this.

    Meantime, seriously, it’s turning out to be an interesting season all round. Trying to be objective one can’t but come to the conclusion that we should see a close race.

    Arshavin’s comments are fully explained by something called ‘cultural differences’, something we (Africans) are experts in. I wouldn’t worry. What and how something is said to the public via the press and how this is suposed to be interpreted locally differ from culture to culture.

    Arshavin is undoutedly speaking to the russian public and explaining how well Arsenal is, in fact, doing.

  152. course he will. arshavin, if he stays relatively fit will play for years to come, we have all seen that he can do next to nothing all match, get one chance and score, we saw it at anfield last and this season and old trafford.

    WHY CAN’t HE DO IT AGAINST SMALLER TEAMS?!

  153. If Arshavin doesn’t want to play centre forward, I’d rather see Gilles Sunu, or anybody there.

  154. Romford, I want that for Sunday too… I hope he sticks it out because he is obviously world class, but i fear he may want to head to new pastures if we don’t win anything this year. But we ARE going to win something this year, so my fears are irrational…

  155. A friend of mine is convinced that Diaby would do a good job up front in the centre. I’m not too sure, but he would be a handful at least

  156. Arshavin is a due a good game. Hopefully he will show up on Sunday.

    I do hope that Wenger plays Arshavin wide left as Ivanovich would really struggle against him I feel.

  157. Dave I believe in free speech but please, please, please write in lower case, I beg thee

  158. Arse Shavin, well he’s proved he can score with his head partner

  159. ZIMPAUL,I KNEW U WERE A FOREIGNER ALL ALONG….U LITTLE BASTARD…JUST LIKE UR FOREIGN TEAM LE ARSE….

  160. Will don’t u hate the fact u have to control rooney when u turn on f10?

  161. ARSHAVIN IS THE BEST FOREIGNER IN LONDON

  162. We’re moving into Chris Morris territory now. This impression of a typical racist Chelsea fan is very accurate, but not “haha” funny.

  163. foreign supporters are even more avid in most cases. If we had Arsenal fans from Africa in the emirates the atmosphere would be incredible- we would get those extra points if our in stadium support was better..

    same with chelski, if u had fans that live abroad u wudn’t have those fat, bald men keeping silent or leaving when things don’t go well

  164. Dave – piss off mate, you’re a tasteless prick.

  165. u fucking racist cunt

  166. and what zap said

  167. Zap, I know its well annoying aint it, they could of at least had him in his England kit. The commentators lick Man u’s arse as well. Still an unbelievable game though isnt it, the celebrations are so funny aint they

  168. ashley cole’s face looks funny innit what a donut.

  169. Stop moaning about Dave. Just ignore him and he’ll be off.

  170. SO EVERYTHING IS NOW RACIST…..

  171. No, only you m8

  172. Dave if theres one club with as much of a foreign influence as Arsenal, its Chelsea you plonker

  173. Fair enough Ole.

    Is there any news on Diaby? Would be nice to have him back. NB in the middle, Arsh on the left and Rosicky on the right. I think Nasri, Cesc & Song in the midfield if Diaby’s not available. Denilson could do with a rest imo.

  174. Will i wud beat you easily with my silky smooth skills and you know this dog.

  175. WE LOVE OUR FOREIGNERS,U BASTARD……BUT WE’VE ALSO GOT ENGLISH PLAYERS…AS IT STANDS LE ARSE WILL BE CONTRIBUTING NEXT TO NOTHING FOR THE ENGLISH NATIONAL TEAM……BUT DAVE SAYING THAT MAKES ME RACIST….

    COS WE ALL HAVE TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT…..HOPE U CAN REMEMBER THE NUMBER OF FRENCH PLAYERS THAT LE ARSE HAS GENERATED, WHICH EVEN HELP THEM WIN THE WORLD CUP…I GIVE WENGER CREDIT FOR THAT THOUGH

  176. Dave are you really so sad you look back on what’s been said on here in the past week? haha.

    you sad fish go get some friends and a life

  177. hahaha Zap

  178. If moving on were the solution to things, I’m not sure Arsenal would be one of the most supported clubs world-wide, that it is now.It is our brand of football which pleases one & all & counts for more than trophies. Agreed, winning a few here n there, is always welcome, but years down the line, while many teams would have trophies, only Arsenal would have played the ‘beautiful game’ beautifully.

    http://11gunners.com/opinion/6-must-do%E2%80%99s-as-arsenal-await-another-6-pointer/3063/

  179. Not little dave, but big, black, African and I tread on blokes like you like fleas, intellectually that is.

    Now piss off. You are of no consequence except for a laugh, and I’ve had that.

  180. Arshavin would certainly be a le groaner if he was a blogger.

    He might only be 173cm… but what has that got to do with his passing ability.. and shooting ability?

    He had clear chances to open the scoring last week, the game would have had a totally different landscape had he either buried his chances or passed to a better placed colleague.

    Piss poor comments from him.

  181. I am a Philly kid. In Philly if Jesus played a sport we would find something wrong with HIM. I live and die with my team. Arsenal is my team just Like my Eagles. The truth is teams have games where they stink the joint out. When this happens they usually come out breathing fire the next week. The coach takes them to the woodshed and corrects the mistakes. Thank God for a week of solid practice. This gives us a chance to work out the problems. For me personally I read everything I can get my hand on. Most media idiots, I mean pundits stur up problems to increase readership. Bringing in big name stars can ruin a team. You will see a different Arsenal team with we take the pitch on Sunday. The Gunners left the A game on the pitch against Villa on Wednesday. This was evident against Man U on Sunday. Thanks
    http://bobbygee.wordpress.com/

  182. and as usual a piss poor comment from you, stringfellow hawke. fuck off you penguin

    or as you say: fucking joey

  183. Stringfellow Hawke,

    What Arshavin’s done that’s unforgivable is to criticise a team mate’s performance in public naming the person.

    No professional does that. Even Gallas did not sink that low.

    Even Feggerson booted Roy Keane for doing less.

    I just hope someone’s going to ask him to VERY STRONGLY deny the quotes.

  184. It doesn’t look like Bendtner will be ready to start on Sunday, but I’m hoping Diaby is. Eduardo is definitely out – so, looks like Arsh to start in the middle again, he’ll just have to like it!

    – – – – – – – Almunia – – – – – – – – –
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    Sagna – Gallas – Vermaelen – Clichy
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    – – – – – – – – Song – – – – – – – – – –
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    – – – -Fabregas – – Denilson – – – –
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    Nasri – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Diaby
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    – – – – – – – Arshavin – – – – – – – –

    Rosicky could easily start ahead of Nasri, but I’d suggest Sami for that extra bit of pace.

    To whomever suggested playing Campbell in a back five on here earlier – what a fucking pussy you are!

    And all that stuff on ‘useful booing’ yesterday! Couldn’t make it up if you tried.

  185. do you honestly think i give a flying about a wasterel reprobate like yourself, zap?

    you are a peasant and totally beneath me in all apsects of life.. past, present and future

    🙂

  186. …and another piss poor comment from you

  187. Darius:

    Spot on, the last paragraph says it all. I do not agree with some of your thoughts regarding player transfers and tactics etc. but it is fun to debate those ideas. That is why we blog and why we debate at the pub.

    The internet has given the radical fringe minority the chance to be heard. Their curses remove any shred of credibility they may have had and unfortunately they drown out the real fans.

  188. since you’re probably suffering another mid-life crisis i’ll leave it there. you’ll get through this you dont have to be a donut all your life

  189. oh, and I forget to mention I’m Arsenal

    C’mon you Gunners …

  190. stop sparring Zappy and Stringy

  191. sparring? i’d been done for manslaughter.

  192. calm down hawke you grover

  193. lol, that says it all about how much insight you have.

  194. Limpar – what were they saying about ‘useful booing’ ??? Sounds ridiculous to me! When it’s your own supporters, how can it be useful?

    When you boo an opposition player, it can work against you and be useful to them by spurring them on to play much better – if they can handle it that is (eg. Ronaldo, Cashley).

  195. yes well said Arse shavin

    it was a stupid idea to boo nani that spurred him on and perhaps his performance wouldn’t have been so industrious had we just left his cheating self to his cheating self.

  196. not the best wording but i hope you know what i mean…

  197. it happened with ashley cole aswell this season

  198. Case in point Zap, i had no sound so didnt hear the booing directed at MJ’s Thriller double…

  199. We can beat Chelsea this weekend but not by playing intricate attacking football. We have to keep a clean sheet. I suspect they will pack it in and stay very organized in the back and plan to score 2 or 3 on the break or from one of our defensive mistakes. Scoring against an organized defense in a team with their quality is always difficult. Barca only put 1 past them last yr in the CL. We are dead if WG and TV are 20 yards on the wrong side of the ball while they break. Sagna and our wing players can not let Ashley Cole fire in unchallenged crosses and TV and WG can not let Drogba get free headers or they will kill us. I hope the whole team had their pride wounded enough against United and they decide its time to prove the naysayers wrong and keep a clean sheet. I think we will win 1 – 0 with Arshavin or Cesc or maybe Diaby getting a goal.

  200. Limpar,

    Who plays will depend on whether Diaby & bendtner are fit enough to start. If both are fit I’d go for;

    Nasri Bendtner Walcott

    Diaby Song Fabregas

    Clichy Vermaelen Gallas Sagna

    ALMUNIA

    Bench: Fabianski, Campbell, Traore, Rosicky, Denilson, Eboue, Arshavin

    If Bendtner is not fit, then I’d go for;

    Nasri Gilles Sunu/J.E.T Walcott

    Diaby Song Fabregas

    Clichy Vermaelen Gallas Sagna

    ALMUNIA

    If neither Bendtner nor Diaby is fit, I’d go for;

    Nasri Gilles Sunu/J.E.T Walcott

    Denilson Song Fabregas

    Clichy Vermaelen Gallas Sagna

    ALMUNIA

  201. hahahaha arsh shavin haha he does look like him don’t he lol…

  202. Ole – do you reckon Sunu’s got the minerals?

  203. 🙂 i bet he’s got a similarly pitched singing voice too!

  204. why havnt u guys placed rosicky on the bench, he’s obviously gonna play as will arshavin.

    Almunia
    Cliche Gallas Vermaelen Sagna
    Song Fabregas Rosicky
    Diaby/Nasri Bendner/Walcott Arshavin

    is my team

  205. I’d go with that Zap, Nasri and Rosicky could swap but i think they both bring different qualities to each of those positions. Maybe keep Nasri up there for his pace, Rosicky’s pretty tenacious and good in the tackle when he’s up for it too.

    Whoever thinks we’ve got a weak squad obviously doesn’t have a clue.

  206. Ole, to punish Arshavin for his comments? I don’t see that happening. Arshavin plays.

    I would like to see Theo skin Cashley though.

    Arse Shavin, I’d try to explain it but I wouldn’t do it justice. It was real nonsensical Marx Brothers stuff.

    Bill, I agree with you that we will beat Chelsea on Sunday, but I disagree that our victory won’t come about by playing intricate attacking football. Of course it will!

    ARSENAL!

  207. Fair enough Limpar. Glad i wasn’t involved! And you’re right, it will always be attacking, intricate football. We don’t know how to play any other way!

  208. The season starts this weekend

  209. Is Essien still out? He tends to be a real fly in our ointment.

  210. ITS ALL ABOUT WINNING SOMETHING

    Do a better job than Wenger?

    What better job.No trophies for 5 years.If a top 4 finish is a better job then Wenger is doing it.

    Domestic trophies that are easily winnable thrown away every season since 2005.If winning the FA cup was good enough for PV4 Henry Bergkamp etc why not this players

    Wenger is taking us all along for a ride of dont worry it will come good next season but until then get on with Almunia,Denilson,Bendtner and Theo

  211. A club is more than the sum of trophies won.

  212. We will beat chelsea by defending as a team. Notice what hull did and how chelsea responded. They hoofed in to drogba. With us they will play thru the wings and when all else fails hoof it.
    We have all the attributes of scoring plenty of goals against anyone but need to show some discipline.
    We need the likes of Nasri and Rosciky to track back.
    We need a strong game from Song and Denilson needs to pull out a masterclass which he’s quite capable of doing.
    The opta stats show chelsea as 2nd to utd as pass masters, we are third. It also has us as the most efficient scorers with chelsea third but they take many many more shots.
    They will pepper our goal knowing Alumina’s issues.
    They also have issues with set plays that Cesc can exploit.
    This match is winnable despite what the pundits say.

  213. Limpar:

    If we could play intricate attacking football and still keep a clean sheet that would be great. Our history argues against that. We have not scored more then 1 goal in any of our last 8 games vs Chelsea and United. They do not have to commit men forward because they can sit back on defense and beat us on the break. A good team playing tight defense will almost always will trump good offense. Barca for all their attacking greatness last yr only conceded 1 goal in 3 games vs. Chavs and Mancs. They trade style points for 3 points. I am not saying we should play like Bolton under Sam Allardyce but we need to be alot more balanced and recognize that we need to keep a clean sheet to win.

  214. Whoever plays up front needs to stick the chances away, maybe even the half chances, its where Van Persie will be missed and you know this

  215. Bill,

    Every time I hear the stupid cliche “intricate attacking football” I assume, and am hardly ever proven wrong, that the words following would make no sense.

  216. Fair enough, Bill. A little less hari kari would be nice – but we don’t need to keep a clean sheet to win, we just have to score more goals than they do.

  217. Limpar,

    I’m sick of him currently.

    Not trying hard enough. Not producing the goods. Not willing to pass. Making stupid comments and criticising team mates in the media.

    Time for him to get with the program.

  218. Limpar,

    But the key thing is we don’t need any player who doesn’t believe we can win.

  219. She’ll be running round Tesco with her dinner in her coat,
    She’ll be running round Tesco with her dinner in her coat,
    She’ll be running round Tesco, She’ll be running round Tesco, Running round Tesco with her dinner in her coat…

    Singing John Terrys mother is a thief,
    Singing John Terrys mother is a thief,
    Singing John Ter…rys mother John Terrys mother,John Terrys mother is a thief

  220. Terry dropped!!!!!!!

  221. Arse Shavin,

    If we have no striker fit or willing to play centre forward, what choice do we have?

  222. Hi Maria !!!

    Maria just so you know, thats not me with the green face, my rhymes are much cleverer than that, after all its one of the reasons you love me

  223. Zip it Arshavin!!!

  224. There’s a few posts on here with that ‘stupid cliche’ that should prove that wrong Ole.

    Every time i read your posts it becomes more and more apparent how far up your own arse you are. I can understand why us gooners are thought of as arrogant.

    How would you describe Arsenal’s play?

    I doubt you’ll even reply to this, so i’m probably wasting my time.

  225. I’ve only seen Sunu a couple of times so dont have much to base my opinion of him on..

  226. Is there doubt about NB starting?

  227. Arse Shavin,

    It’s a stupid meaningless cliche.

    And a stupid idea to imagine there is some trade-off between playing good football and winning trophies.

    If anything, playing good football increases your chances of winning trophies.

    Most of the worst performing teams play worse football than the best teams.

  228. Maria – dropped from the Chelsea team???

  229. Ole, I think the not trying hard enough bit can be put down in part to Arshavin’s style of play. Looking disinterested and roaming about like a lost child is a good way to lose your marker. He was also never going to be the sort to track back and help his fullback, like Rosicky does. A bit like Thierry.

    I think you can put the two missed opportunites to JUST FUCKING SQUARE IT!! in the Utd game, down to the natural selfishness of a goalscorer, and the desire to be the big player on the day, to grab the personal glory. These were huge mistakes, and Wenger and his teammates will have let him know this. However, prior to that Arshavin has been a great provider and picking out a teammate when the shot’s not on (a vital aspects of Wengerball), has been a great strength of his.

    It’s hard to take those regurgitated comments very seriously but I think purely in terms of form, he has been working deceptively hard, and we are about to see an improvement to the end product.

  230. I agree totally about playing good football increasing chances of trophies Ole.

    It has turned into a cliche but it is also a fairly concise way of describing a team’s play… When i think intricate attacking football, i think Arsenal, Barca, Villareal etc. When i think long ball, direct play, i think Bolton, Stoke, Liverpool.

  231. ” I think the not trying hard enough bit can be put down in part to Arshavin’s style of play. Looking disinterested and roaming about like a lost child is a good way to lose your marker. ”

    Very good point Limpar.

  232. Limpar,

    I hope you’re right.

    1 assist in the league this season….he has to do better. That means also linking up well with the other attackers.

    He has to defend better when he plays on the wing.

    Question for you: Do you think the comments are real about Clichy?

  233. 1 assist is not good enough. He has become quite greedy of late.

    What are the comments about clichy?

  234. Arse Shavin,

    No that’s where I diagree. It is a way of calling that kind of football ineffective…..

    A way of leading into the stupid idea that by trying to play football you’re passing up on winning.

  235. No as England Captain or so SSN say.

  236. You just wonder will Terry having the England captaincy taken off him affect his game on Sunday???

  237. 01.02.2010

    Arsenal 1:3 Manchester United
    This defeat is making it more difficult for Arsenal to get into first place of the Championship of England. Andrey Arshavin has spent an entire game on the pitch again. He was active. Our forward participated in almost every gunners’ attack. Unfortunately, this was not enough for a draw. Football is a team game, and when one of the partners falls out of it, it cannot but affect the result. Unfortunately, some Arsenal players looked lost on the pitch or perhaps “burned out”? Chelsea match is ahead, let’s wait and see what kind of conclusions Arsene Wenger will make after a series of unsuccessful games.

    arshavin.eu: What were the main reasons for the defeat in this game?
    AA: Manchester United was good at controlling mid-field; they managed to make several quick transitions from defense to attack. They managed to score three times. They outplayed us at Emirates.
    What else? I think that was a very good match for Nani …

    arshavin.eu: On the other hand, one can say that Arsenal was extremely unlucky in this game.
    AA: Maybe another day, another match something would have flown into the rivals’ gate. Today, this has not happened – our competitor was stronger than us. Although we tried to fight back, not to despair. We managed to score once, tried to save the game.

    arshavin.eu: You‘ve made several solo passages; two of them were almost alike. Which of them was closer to the goal?
    AA: The second time, when the ball flew quite close to the goalpost.

    arshavin.eu: You’ve lost points in the match with one of your direct competitors in the fight for gold. What kind of thoughts come to you after such games?
    AA: It’s getting even harder to believe that we can win first place after such defeats.

    arshavin.eu: In one of the interviews to our website, you said that you can evaluate Arsenal chances to win the EPL only on 10 February.
    AA: Yes. Then I said that I would divide the games with Aston Villa, Man United, Chelsea and Liverpool into two parts. The first part has been held.
    There are still two more games, I hope, we will conduct them better.

  238. Cappello’s definitley got some nuts on him hasn’t he. The managers fifty times more important then the captain and he knows this and you knows this

  239. what do you think the starting line-up will be, Will?

  240. Ok, yeah i see what you mean Ole. I have always considered that to be a positive desciption. But now you mention it, when it’s the Hansens and the Collymores saying it, it puts it in a different light!

  241. Ditto that Limpar @ 3:37.

    I think the little elf will be more impatient then most for Sunday.

    Hopefully he’ll stop trying to score four goals in every one of these games now, and be happy with one, or even just an…assist! I think he must have overdone it on the pixie powder against Man IOU, a bit like some of the impatient sounding Arsenal ‘fans’ out there.

    I guess snorting powders soaked in bleach and acid would cloud a persons judgement when it comes to watching football.

    That, or a diet of the Daily Express/SSN.

  242. Arse Shavin,

    ‘In training it is very difficult for me to beat Clichy, but Nani made all the play through him.’

  243. Chelsea wherever you may be,
    Don’t trust your wives with John Terry,
    His dad sells crack, his mum is a thief
    He cries when he misses a penalty!

  244. Hmmm, maybe it was nerves on Sunday? I can’t believe that Nani’s better than Arsh 🙂

  245. Zap,

    It’ll be –

    Seaman
    Cole – Cygan – Senderos – Van Bronkhurst
    Parlours wife – McGoldrick – Denilson – Oompar-Limpar.
    Jeffers – The Dickov

    Its a balanced team which i think can do the job partner

  246. Ole:

    It is unlikely that we will get more then 1 goal in this game. We have scored 5 goals in our last 8 vs. chelsea and United. We have conceded 15. I suspect we sometimes become overly concerned with our style of attack and forget the basics on the defensive side. That is the best explanation I have for our defensive record. If you have a better explanation I would be interested in your thoughts. Playing good defense is also “good football”. No matter how good our offense we can not outscore Chelsea of United etc when we concede 2 or 3.

  247. Finsbury, are you suggesting that John Terry’s father might’ve been present around the stadium on Sunday afternoon, in a commercial capacity?

    Ole, I think that’s pretty harmless really. He’s paying Clichy a compliment in one sense, but also recognising that it was a bad day at the office for him – which is true.

  248. i knew you would say that, Will.

    Why can’t you just say something to do with Arsenal for goodness sake!

  249. Nice team, Will. That’d piss all over the current spurs side.

  250. Must say, I’d be very keen for Wenger to unleash a surprise old-style 4-4-2 on Chelsea this Sunday, with Walcott wide right, Rosicky left, Cesc and Song central, and Arshavin off Bendtner up top.

  251. Your damn right Limpar!!!!!

  252. Limpar,

    I think he’s calling out Clichy. Pointing fingers.

    Bill,

    We’re not a defensive side. We don’t know how to do it. I am not sure we’re the kind of team that can aim to win 1-0.

    It is one thing to say, we should defend better, it is another to say we should adopt defensive tactics.

    To back up your argument (while I disagree with it- I am complicated like that), when we won there last season we were quite defensive in our approach.

    I just disagree that it’s necessarily a better strategy than making sure we can play our own game.

  253. i agree with crafty bison

  254. Maria please stop punishing me, I know I forgot your birthday but it’ll never happen again I promise

  255. I would never imply that deluded, desperate AFC ‘fans’ would get their fix of football superiority, of mock bragging rights, from John Terry’s dad!

  256. That idea looks so attractive to me right this moment!

    Good old 4-4-2…..

  257. Ole,

    I know, especially with the dickov and Jeffers up front, its an awesome line up and you know this

  258. DukeGoonem called it:

    4-5-1, or whatever variant of this 4-3-3 malarky it is that Le Gaffer loves to use in Europa.

    It is Ancelotti after all.

    Memories of that CL away leg in Milan still send shivers down my spine.

  259. Me likes dickov.

  260. Me neither CB.

  261. bet u do William with the green face.

    btw the one with the green face is the real william the yellow one is a fraudster.

    get out of town, yellow william

  262. Green William,

    I think Ole’s talking to you

  263. Capello confirms dropping J cheating T.

  264. Me likes William. Because William likes dickov.

  265. Rio probably is the new captain.

  266. You know what they say about Immitation

  267. yeah, don’t imitate me James. It’s so flattering.

  268. Without RVP I would very much like a back to basics 4-4-2 approach especially at home.

  269. i hope this completely demoralises terry..

  270. yellow william stop immitating.

  271. Will the real William please stand up
    please stand up
    please stand up

  272. Nasir Jones-Nasri

    22 signatures!?!

    Bwahahahah!

    Long live Arsene Wenger. The man is infallible.

  273. Ancellotti….the guy who gave us Thierry Henry and that wonderful night at San Siro….

  274. Theres only enough room for one moron on this blog Green William, this is war.

    Ciao Darlings

    Bye Maria, I’ll be home about six, love you xx

  275. 442’s a pretty good shout – doubt AW will change it for this match though… I can see Terry giving away a penalty on Sunday

  276. Ole:

    I understand your point about not changing our tactics. If we really do not know how to defend then we either need all new players, or a new manager to teach them. I can not accept that. We need to focus alot more of its energy on defense in this type of game. We can not bomb forward the way we do against Blackburn. Barca is not a defensive team but they play good defense. I have to believe that we could also do that. The alternative is fighting for 3rd place again and again.

  277. Bill,

    Maybe we really do agree. I think we need to defend well like Barca do. But not adopt defensive tactics.

    I am a bit confused though. You say we should not “bomb forward”, but isn’t that what Barcelona do?

  278. Capello’s dropped a sleazy thug for a sleazy druggie. Good Job Fabio.

  279. So, who is the player Wenger was trying to sign on Monday? He’s been very coy in his interview.

  280. great post, thanks.

  281. I think Eboue should play on Sunday:

    “John Terry has hit out at Emmanuel Eboue and claimed the Arsenal midfielder should have been sent off for the tackle that left him with a broken foot.

    The pair clashed during Sunday’s match at the Emirates, with Terry suffering three separate breakages as he challenged the Ivorian.

    Taking the lead from team-mate Salomon Kalou, who suggested that Eboue had “deliberately” felled Terry, the England captain told The Guardian: “Tackles have to be made in this game and especially in a top-of-the-table clash like Sunday’s at Arsenal, and I had to make the tackle on Eboue. I felt he left his studs in there and it should have been a sending off.”

    Terry has yet to comment on his jumped, studs-up challenge on a grounded Cesc Fabregas for which he was cautioned moments before being crippled by Eboue. Eboue, for his part, has apologised to Terry, insisting that he did not mean to harm his opponent.”

  282. The french tart has decided not to sell her story… the full story implicates 5 chelski players… most of the 5 are expected to play on sunday.

    So.. what has Max Clifford been up to?

    Working for free?

    He takes a cut if she sell the story to a paper… hmmm

    i wonder if any rich, young men implicated in the story may have been made an offer for keep shut money by said publicist.

  283. Maybe Arshavin just said the truth?

    Why were Arsenal ‘very, very close’ to signing someone? If we thought there was a need, why didn’t we buy someone, we had a whole month. Baffling.

    The manner of the defeat last week made it much harder to take.

    If we get a result Sunday we are back in the race, but it will take a win to truly restore confidence. Porto would have enjoyed watching the last match.

    I think too much credit is given to the internet as being a representative view of fans opinions. That petition was an obvious wind-up by morons.

    This whole dichotomy of the fan-base is tedious and false. The lunatic fringe with their petitions and Myles Palmer to waste time with are a nonsense: the stadium keeps filling up. However, the effort expended arguing against them by reasonable people is futile. There is also a large group, who just narrow minded, but on the other extreme. Some people have ceased to view the games, teams progress, or any comment on the club without filtering it through some narrow ‘D & G’ lens. They can’t discuss, only act as “partisans”. The truth is that we have ups and downs and the only people who matter will be there through both. The only people who can have a conversation on it see both the ups and downs, short and long-term.

  284. I apologise in advance, but it’s worth noting that this…

    …is the new England Captain.

    Terry, officially, just got merked.

  285. dear oh dear oh dear 😆

    the 5 men in question.. who will all be named and shamed in the coming days are…

    A Cole, Drogba, Gudjohnsen, Terry and Fat frank of course.

  286. arseneholis,

    You think it is right to criticise your manager and team mate in the media, if you’re telling the truth?

  287. what a line up, love it.

    no way in hell will cheryl stick around now, thank god he did not inpregnate her!!

  288. Think you’ve got a chance there, SH? Swoop in for some rebound action why don’t you. Go on my son!

  289. Very damaged goods.

    Karma is a wonderful thing, chelski football club and that list of cunts above deserve all they are about to get.

  290. Dance, dance wherever you may be
    It’s the day we got rid of Big JT

  291. Ole:

    I do not watch Barca play so I can only know that they scored more then 100 goals last year yet still gave up the fews goals in La Liga. Our last title team and the last 3 United teams were not defensive teams but they did have the best defensive record in the league. You can have it both ways.

    Barca probably send lots attackers forward in most games. Based on the scores in their CL run last yr and their 1 – 0 win at Madrid earlier this yr, I suspect that they do modify their tactics in games like we face this Sunday. I do not watch them so I make that assumption based on the scores of those games.

  292. Nice post Darius (time difference here means a late appreciation, sorry).
    What’s wrong with William – it almost seemd that he had taken his meds today, although they were obviously wearing off as the day progressed.
    DAVE has confused me, @11.31 his post suggested that he is not from the British Isles? He still has not responded to whether he is being abused.
    Can’t wait for Sunday, means I’ll have less of the pre-stupid American football thingy to endure.

  293. Would love to see this line up:

    ——–Almunia———

    Sagna-Gallas-TV-Clichy

    ———Song———–

    –Cesc———Rosicky-

    Nasri—B52–Arshavin

  294. if diaby aint fit…i would prefer to see nasri in the middle with cesc… always does better running with the ball from deep as opposed to coming for the ball from high up the pitch.

  295. We shouldn’t take criticism of Arshavin to excess. He is after all one of our own players, not the enemy.

  296. Bill,

    I watch Barcelona a lot. In the early 90s I probably watched Barcelona more than I watched us.

    They “bomb forward” a lot, and like Arsenal are criticised for never varying their tactics.

    Barcelona defend quite well, but they play in Spain where most teams try to play football, and play on a massive pitch.

    What Arsenal have to learn from Barca is what I’ll call constructive tackling. When they tackle, they usually in the same movement direct the ball at a team mate. Of course to do that they are very intense in their closing down of opposition players, and their forwards work very hard in being the first line of defence, something Mr. Arshavin for example doesn’t do well.

    Look, I think we both agree defensive improvement is needed.

    Where I am not sure you’re hitting the target is the idea that we should try to play defensive. I think that won’t be clever since its not our strength and we should play to our strength.

  297. The messiah’s crown is slipping…

  298. David Villa

  299. Ole:

    Arsenal could be great if it learned to play good defense. Unfortunately your statement that they do not know how to play defense is probably closer to the truth then we want to admit. We have debated lots of things regarding tLe Boss and his transfer policies etc. However, by far the most important thing he could do for this side is to make them figure out how to play well on both sides of the pitch.

  300. “The messiah’s crown is slipping…”

    It’s a thorny issue.

    He’s pivotal to our title chances. For a while I thought a little Arshavin chiding would be healthy, but I don’t want to see a full-scale backlash. I think PZ is right.

  301. Neither do I OOU, but it’s interesting that even he is finally coming in for some criticism.

  302. Not so many months ago, people were cooing over the skill with which Arshavin handled questions from the press. Fabregas, it was said, should follow his example. Today, the tables have been turned. The praise of yesterday is forgotten, and it is Arshavin who should learn from Fabregas.

  303. Great post, Darius. Again.

    By the way, there is a superb post today on Untold Arsenal. It basically covers everything about Arsenal at the moment. One of the best pieces of analysis I’ve ever read!

    ***
    @ arsenhollis

    If we thought there was a need, why didn’t we buy someone, we had a whole month. Baffling

    I’m pretty sure Arsene said (either in his press conference or the ATVO interview) that they didn’t feel they had a NEED, as such, so there is your answer.

  304. Why criticise him at all. He is playing his heart out. He is after all an attacking player.

    The trouble these days is that this blogballs stuff can amplify a gnats fart into a sonic boom. It is all just recycled crap.

  305. @ Lady Arsenal

    If you are reading, I would like to continue the conversation about the kids from the other night.

  306. Every Arsenal player takes his turn at running the gauntlet of his own fans.

  307. I suggest that the player concerned was very very difficult to acquire…especially quietly, and 2 months was not long enough. I suspect they were already preparing the way in December as well.

    David Villa

  308. Oh God, FunGunner. Please don’t.

  309. well, right on Sunday, the players should rally and turn this thing around!

    A win or at worst a draw will do just fine cos it also means chelsea has dropped points just that we didnt take advantage

  310. @ Pz

    heh heh

  311. this is a league, a marathon, we will get there at the final game come may!

    let the haters and moaners have their day, they will grudgingly rejoice with us come may.

    Darius a well written post as per usual

  312. Don’t you think it was rather long-winded, FG?

  313. Interesting listening to Arsene’s press conference – the scum were really trying to get him to give them a soundbite about the chelski dog, but he wasn’t falling for it. They are so predictable.

  314. @ Frank

    The one on Untold Arsenal? No, I didn’t. Comprehensive, is how I would describe it.

  315. I believe that the Domesday book is comprehensive, but it is hardly a good read.

  316. From Arsene’s press conference:

    “In England, it seems all the problems are sorted out by buying players,” he said. “But I do not believe that.

    “If you look really well at the European market during January this year, very little happened. There was no big transfer.

    “That means it is impossible to find players who are available, walk in off the street and can play at the top level.

    “I said we have too many players when they are all back but that has never been the case this year.

    “Everyone advises you to buy but, at the end of the month, you have to pay the wages and across Europe at the moment you can buy 50 clubs if you have enough money because they have financial problems.

    “We manage as well the Club within our financial resources and when you listen to people you always have to buy five or six players. But at the end of the day you have to pay them.”

  317. Says it all, Passenal

  318. @ Frank

    I’ve never tried to get through the Domesday Book, but I found that article highly readable. It was comprehensive in the sense that it covered all aspects of its subject but made its points succinctly and clearly.

  319. Don’t you think that this ‘everyone hates Arsenal including the fans’ stuff is a bit self-fulfilling? I don’t accept that Arsenal is hated more than any other club. I think that the media have a slight North-Western bias but a lot that is becuase the football establishment was created there. We have more whinging bloggers because we have more bloggers, and of course the natural stance of males of a certain type is utter, miserable, skull cracking pessimism…about everything not just Arsenal. Whining has become a national or even a global obsession. The blogballs just make it all so much worse becuse the miserable fuckers can all group together into one great malignant tumour.

  320. Poliziano is correct. I was touting Arshavin as a model to Fabregas.

    But if you think it right that a player criticises his manager and team mate in the media…..

  321. It didn’t strike me as whiny. Just seemed to be pulling together a lot of threads which have come up in debates all over this blog and others.

  322. And as for being self-fulfilling…I think that boat has already sailed.

  323. I don’t think he is whining. It is just long-winded but it does inadvertently give creedence to an untruth often told.

  324. Well, there we differ, Frank. I think it hits the nail on the head. But I do agree that the response should not be self-pitying, but defiant.

    Anyway, probably best to debate that article on the other blogsite rather than on this one.

  325. More pearls of wisdom from Arsene:

    “some Arsenal fans have taken a pessimistic approach to their team’s season, and Wenger is struggling to comprehend why.

    “I do not understand that too much,” he said. “We are six points off the [Premier League] leaders with 14 games to go. We are in a strong position and we have qualified for the Champions League [knockout stages].

    “We are in a very healthy financial situation and we have a very young team compared to all the others.

    “You can always be pessimistic, or you can always be optimistic.

    “But if you analyse our situation realistically, you have many reasons to be optimistic.

    “Don’t forget the other clubs in England are big as well, and they invest more money than we do, and we are still there.”

  326. anyone else having issues streaming atvo?

  327. @Passenal: says it all really

  328. Those fans will never want to understand Passenal, because just as the other fans enjoy the optimistic life, those fans enjoy the pessimistic life.

    The only thing we can do is fight those cancerous cells before they spread to the good ones….but I don’t think there is a cure for them…at least not yet.

    Even if we win the title this year, some will come out and say we were lucky because Chel$cum did not spend 200 millions this year….or the Mancs are not in enough debt to win it.

  329. Unculturedbullshit.wordpress.com

    the best ever Arsene arselicking site.

  330. @CDD I cant get on either

  331. That’s why I rarely bother to get into a ‘debate’ with the doomers and skip most of their posts. We just see things completely differently and neither of us is going to change the others’ mind set so why bother? I enjoy supporting Arsenal and passing the time of day with those of a like mind, hence why I ended up settling on ACLF.

  332. I agree with Frank…

    We’re not particularly hated. Don’t agree too much with that article.

    But it’s getting harder to bear the endless negativity from the people who purport to speak for Arsenal fans.

  333. Jaguar get back to the zoo where you belong

  334. @ Ole Gunner

    Its title and subject is WHY we are hated. Not that Everybody Hates Us. Subtle difference.

  335. Fair point FunGunner.

  336. @dandan

    it’s on now

  337. Passenal:

    Arshavin’s not the messiah.
    He’s a very naughty boy!

    (Thanks for the AW quotes).

  338. Nasir Jones-Nasri

    Jaguar- the stupidest Le Groan troll on the web. An arselicking doom lemming who worships the biggest doomer known to man.

  339. I am back to the zoo callled unculturedarseneasslicking.wordpress.com

  340. According to the Gospel of Myles Palmer,
    that must be Ivan Gazidis at the beginning.

  341. Chezza has left Cashley

    All over the press sunday morning.

    He went where Terry dared to go, aswell 😆

  342. and the worst of the lot…

    terrence has been at hilarios missus aswell

    karma is beautiful

  343. DNFTT

  344. This could be where Chelsea’s title challenge goes tit’s up. An Arsenal win on Sunday will really stick the knife in. I can’t wait to hear the banter from the travelling Gooners.

  345. darius , you’re simply amazing..what a great piece there!!

  346. Why cant you mugs get a life than posting arsene ass licking posts every time?do you get paid by Arsehole wanker for it?

  347. Passenal many thanks for those arsene quotes… full of perspective and a breath of fresh air as usual… it le prof speaking after all

  348. Le Grove has got to be the worst blog in the world. I am starting a petition to have it closed down.

    Support your team, support your manager, support the club, laugh at the opposition 🙂

    Mrs Bridge is going down
    going down, going down
    Mrs Bridge is going down
    on John Terry.

  349. and ashley and didier and eider 😆

  350. It Just goes to show: You can’t buy class!

  351. There’s only one Arsene Wenger!

    In Arsene We trust!

  352. Arshavin teamates if anyone has not seen it. Its quality.

  353. According to DAVE…it’s ok to bang your mate’s girl friend or wife…cause you’re not the Pope…very nice Chel$cum mentality.

  354. There is only one Arsehole Wanker,and his paedophilic apprentices

    There is only one unculturedbullshit.arsenearselickers.com

  355. Anyone seen CB recently?

  356. No OOU…I was just thinking about him yesterday!

  357. I remembered that comment the other day. Back Sunday evening I guess, G4E!

  358. Last time I saw him, he was chatting to a French woman. She claimed to be 28, but looked older. Vanessa was her name.

  359. Not another one! Anyone got a plunger?

  360. His chickens have eaten all his seed. Fucking hate it when that happens. You have to start again…

  361. Abramovich is planning to have geneticists use the contents of her whatnot to regenerate the entire Chelsea team. It’s the solution to their aging squad. How surprised they’ll be to find alongside Lampard, Terry, Cole, Gudjohnsen and the rest our very own Consolsbob!

  362. I thought the old man only cared about chicks for Hector?

  363. Ah, “his chickens” is the codename for Vanessa.

  364. Ah and Hector is code name for CBob? 🙂

  365. He’s is going kills us and bury us in his farm….oh wait, maybe the farm is code name for his love-pad?

  366. “Mon petit poussin chéri!”

    So it was all couched in a rural argot. What kind of game was that guy running?

  367. Waited till sleepy-time to read ya post Darius….FANTASTIC !

    We co-exist regardless of whether we verbally agree to do so or not just like in life the yes or no option is life’s ultimate gift.

    Personally, I have enjoyed the post-invincible years more than when we were dominating because it’s been so character-building for the team & for myself (guess its the stage of life I find myself).

    So fo me personally. I love this football club for everything it stands for:

    Higher standards, hard work, trust in your co-workers, faith, youth development, pragmatic business practices, ablity to delay gratification,…..i can go on and on.

    So much love & kudos to the board & Arsene Wenger for balancing Arsenal football club’s ambitions vs limitations better than any other ballclub iin the soccer universe.

    It would be great to beat Chelsea on Sunday but the bigger picture says,” it doesn’t really matter!”

    RASERS!!!!!!!!!!!

    Thank u Frank, Ole, Shotta, YW, Poliziano, Maria, Darius, ZimPaul, etc..its a pleasure to soak in your views on a daily basis.

  368. Great post Darius. I couldn’t agree more, it’s too bad the more juvenile section of trolls has made it onto the board today.

    Dandan, top comment too @ 0910. It’s like the majority of idiots, who are Arsenal fan-boys, don’t know what to do if the squad loses a match. They run around like chickens with their heads cut-off moaning how the sky is falling. It must be tough on their nerves, I would suggest they become fan-boys of another squad that is much more financially unstable, plays poor football, loses the majority of their matches all so they will actually find some joy when the wins come occasionally or relegation is avoided.

    As for this weekend, I know the team will respond appropriately…if for some reason it’s not our day then those are the breaks and I’ll still be happy supporting this team and manager.

  369. George Graham:
    “Arsene’s priority isn’t winning trophies; it is the way they play.

    “Arsenal have played wonderful football for the last four years but they haven’t won anything – that’s when some players will become restless.

    “Cesc Fabregas knows he could go to Barcelona and would be virtually guaranteed to win trophies. That is what the boy has to think about”

    I find it hard to understand a man as intelligent as Graham to come out with such rubbish. Wenger not interested in winning trophies? Stupid or what?
    I don’t think Fabregas needs his advice.

  370. Staying competitive is what modern sports about. The youth policy is just a strategy – it’s not anything about the manager’s fetishism. Every organisation builds a strategic plan in times of change and that’s the way Arsenal have gone to keep themselves competitive in the future.

    It’s not just about buying the best youngsters – it’s getting them early, keeping them and building a culture of success around them (and selling a few for a profit, mind you). They realised transfers will be more expensive so essentially became first movers while wages will become more important.

    The way many of the first team have signed up for long term contracts allows the strategy to be fulfilled – plus they are making a profit too and Wenger’s the key, obviously.

    http://arsenalcolumn.wordpress.com/2010/01/07/arsene-wenger-planning-to-keep-it-in-the-family/

  371. Great post mate!

  372. Literally woke up in the middle of the night worried: My plunger comment was about rescuing CB from Mlle Perroncel’s cavernous crevasse, and had nothing to do with termination. I was trying to be crude, but not that crude!

    “Poussin chéri” is the nickname I imagine she’d give to CB.

    Good night. I’ll sleep easier now!

  373. WHERE WAS DAVE WHEN CHELSKI DROPPED POINTS AGAINST HULL THE OTHER DAY?

  374. Done with a plunger, is it? I suppose it has a kind of symmetry.

  375. Joppa Road:

    “Now if we don’t have the funds then please come out and say and then maybe the fans can accept the siutation and start to comment on what an excellent job Wenger is doing under constraint.”

    We have funds. We’re just not going to mortgage the club so that inpatient little whiners can run off to their mates and tell them how awesome Arsenal is.

  376. Great Post.

    The doom and gloom merchants are nothing more than shallow-minded reactionaries, merely reacting to each loss.

    I dont understand where this over-ambition comes from.. Every loss is unacceptable and simply not good enough by their standards.

    What standards?

    The standards that Wenger himself brought their club.

    The Emirates Stadium is the stadium that Wenger built.

    For without his consistent success and intelligent spending we would of never have afforded to undertake the construction and of a brand new stadium.

    Its ironic really.

    Whether we have money or not its obvious that most of it is tied up in the stadium.

    The reactionaries are short-sighted forgetful idiots.

    Even if Wenger “lost it”. It would be a complete disaster if we changed managers.

    Fabregas would most certainly leave, most of the players would leave. Perhaps some of the coaches would leave. Wed have to rebuild again which would take another 5 years.

    How can some people be so stupid?

    Theres a saying that goes “In Arsene we Trust”.

    Thats not a saying that magically appeared one day for no reason.

    There is a reason, and Wenger earned it.

  377. Great article.

  378. “Arsenal are a unique team,” said Mourinho, “Their coach hasn’t won anything for years, but he’s an idol.

    “There are no pressures at Arsenal. But do not say he’s growing young players into talents. What he does is take jewels to the club and polishes them. It’s different. He has time to work in a serene atmosphere and get results.”

  379. Ah another Mourinho accolyte. A nasty jealous little man.

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