Stone Cold Friday: Between The Sticks

Darius wants to chat goalkeepers…

This week, I thought I’d tackle a contentious topic that seems to split Arsenal fans the world over. Everyone has an opinion about our goalkeeping, an area of our game that some observers consider to be the weak link on our road to success.

For around 6 weeks earlier this season, the official line of “chest infection” was filed in the physician’s office at London Colney under the name of Manuel Almunia. For what it was worth, most of us took Almunia’s chest infection to be the garden variety bug that hits us once in a while. We now know that Almunia was dealing with a lot of mental anguish following a family tragedy and Wenger chose to give him the space to regroup.

On his return, the sight of Almunia sitting on the Arsenal bench in the encounter with Birmingham City told its own tale. It reminded me of the thunderous face of Jens Lehmann some 2 years ago when he was confined to the bench as Almunia was preferred as the No. 1 for the game against Spurs at the Emirates.

Lehmann had recovered from his mysterious and long term elbow injury that magically disappeared on the occasions that he kept the gloves for the German national team. In that game against Spurs, Almunia saved a Robbie Keane penalty to keep us in the game and as the Arsenal bench erupted in jubilation, Lehmann could only muster a clenched fist in his tracksuit pocket as if to say, “Damn you, I could have saved that one too”.

At the beginning of the 2007/08 season, Lehmann cost us unnecessary goals. In the first game against Fulham, his attempted agricultural clearance gifted a goal to Fulham’s David Healy; against Blackburn he gifted Sparky’s team an undeserved equaliser. Soon after, Lehmann developed a mysterious elbow injury that started his long journey out of the Arsenal.

Wenger has form in dropping players who are not playing well. At the beginning of this season, it was unthinkable that Almunia wouldn’t be the No. 1, let alone Don Vito being preferred to him. Lukasz Fabianski was keeping Colin Lewin gainfully employed; Wenger had no choice but to field Don Vito of Colney. To his credit, Don Vito surpassed all expectation and gave Wenger what you can call a very good headache. You can never suffer from having too many options in football.

Now that Almunia has reacquainted himself with his duties in goal, it seems an appropriate time to debate the issue of our goalkeeping performance. His recent run of games in my view is enough time to get over the mental anguish and stress that his family has faced in recent times. Manuel himself proclaimed only a few days ago that he is now mentally and physically fit, while acknowledging that he has not had the best of starts this season.

Unfortunately for goalkeepers, a dip in form, individual errors or poor judgement results in a goal. We seem to have suffered from all of the above at different points over the last few seasons – so it’s not surprising that this is an emotive subject.

There are two schools of thought that seem to have emerged over this issue. Firstly, there are those that are adamant that as one of the elite clubs in the world, Arsenal deserves a ’world class’ keeper of the ilk of Seaman. For this group of fans or commentators, Manuel Almunia is never going to be good enough – nor is his under-studies Fabianski, Don Vito and Szczesny.

From this group, it is imperative that Wenger cuts his losses and invests in a proven ’world class’ keeper. When the question is posed about who Wenger should get – they invariably default to the ”he should have got Shay Given in January” mode; or you get names like Rob Green, Jussi Jaaskelainen, Hugo Lloris and Igor Akinfeev bandied about in desperate hope.

The second school of thought subscribes to the notion that we do indeed have good enough goal keepers, and perhaps our bigger problem is an overall defensive one. Whilst it’s accepted generally that Fabianski, Don Vito and Szczesny are not yet ready; Almunia can and should hold his own against his peers in the premier league.

The goals we’ve conceded so far suggest that there is an issue when it comes to our ability to keep things tight at the back. Many will say that when the chips are down, games are won by the individual heroics of quality goalkeepers and that Almunia hasn’t shown this as one of his qualities. I’m sure if I tried, I’d find the statistics to make a case for or against Almunia’s contribution in parallel with comparing him to his peers. I’ll sidestep that today. Suffice to say that no individual goalkeeper in the premiership so far, has stood head and shoulders above the rest so it does put things in perspective.

I believe Almunia is a good enough keeper for the Arsenal. He might not be all ’Hollywood’ as some would expect of the superstar goalkeeper sought by all and sundry, but he is effective enough to do the required job. The issue for me is more of his mental attitude and application – and I fail to see how a summary decision to replace him resolves the issue outright.

What the team needs most is defensive discipline and mental strength to be able to do the basic bread and butter things when the chips are down and we need to close a game out or fight for a draw or win. We need to be more consistent in maintaining our defensive nous and reigning in the attacking instincts when the game dictates that we do so. The game last week against Stoke City showed we can do this. Stoke didn’t get anywhere near our box for most part and when they did, the ball was given its due attention. Once is not enough, we have to do it more often.

We already know that Almunia is an excellent shot stopper. I’d like to see him be more of a marauding menace in the 18 yard box. Shot stopping by itself isn’t good enough and he needs to own that box and bully everyone like he owns the title deed to that area of the pitch.

’til Tomorrow.

Posted on December 11, 2009, in Arsenal, Champions League, Football, Premier League, Premiership, Soccer and tagged , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 208 Comments.

  1. Nasir Jones-Nasri

    Another quality post, Darius.

  2. It`s the most thankless job in football. A goal keeper is only judged by how many goals he let`s in not by how many he saves.
    I have to agree (and I`m no expert on goalie`s)
    that over all he`s no better or worse than the rest in the Premier League and whilst names like Buffon tickle my fancy I have no proof that he`s any better than Almunia. So, I`m an advocator of improving our defence in general unless he proves beyond doubt that he is inferior to others in his league.

  3. Excellent job, Darius. At least Lehmann never had a wee behind the advertisements at Highbury.

    Or did he?

  4. I agree wholeheartedy. This is an argumnt I have wih my friends all the time when brought up, and I believe that due to his lack of fanfare that the likes of Cech and Edwin receive, he wll never be put into the top goalkeeper category.

    He is a solid goalkeeper, and it is our lack of concentration at key moments that cost us. Taking a look at our opposition for Sunday, and we all remember the last minute goal conceded was a defensive farce.

    People moan about Almunia not being a presence in the box, but do we remember castigating him for trying to claim too much? Whatever he does will be up for scrutiny, but I do believe he is Arsenal’s number one and should be for the foreseeable future. Why waste money on an area of the squad that isn’t in need of investment as much as centre back or striker?

  5. Uptight Literary Guy

    Well-put. I’d like to see some midfielders make the same commitment to defense that our flanking backs make to attack. If Sagna can be on the right for what seems like every single attack, midfielders can track back and add numbers on defense in order to stop the sight–how many times have we seen it, and seen it result in nicked goals–of three defenders trying to defend while running toward our goal.

  6. Quality post. And I am glad you rekindled the issues that to a large degree led to Lehman being edged out by Almunia.

    As I see it, even the best goalies in competitive leagues will give up goals. Great strikes by opposition players must be, begrudgingly, noted as such. Failed attempts to claim the box are frustrating, but also lead to the inevitable “what if’s” when a goalie chooses one position as opposed to another (hindsight being 20/20).

    But when keepers make very silly mistakes that lead to goals (e.g. mishandling a kick directly to them or coming so far out of the box as to expose too much of the goal) then that becomes an issue that warrants possible change. To my recollection, Almunia has made very few ‘bone-headed” mistakes that warrant the criticism he seems to get week in and out.

    Here’s to hoping he truly has moved on from the issues that plagued him earlier in the season, and here’s to hoping he never gets complacent.

  7. @CB
    As a kid at school in the 1960′s and whose best ‘friends’ were Man U fans it could be tough being a Gunner. JF was a favourite even though he was in the shadow of their Alex Stepney. I got a laugh though when some Man U goalie (Dunne was it?) dropped his shorts during a game.
    I could have chosen Bobby Gould.
    I hope they take dollars in the Chicken Run?

  8. The keeper is the QB of the “D”. he is the last line of defense. He has to be the stopper. The eraser. I think Almunia is doing a good job. I don’t think a keeper needs to be hollyweird I mean hollywood. Just stop em baby. He does. Almunia is not great but he is good.
    I agree he isn’t a world class keeper. Who can the gunners get? This the fifty million dollar question.
    Tim Howard?

  9. Ted. Jens never fails to amaze. I guess he had to make a decision between the advertising boards of the dressing room. Either way, his decision has do go down as one of the craziest.

    On the goal keeping issues, Wookash Fabianski has had something to say:

    “I want to put Manuel under as much pressure as possible. What else can you do? You have to work hard every time you have an opportunity to show what you can do. We will see what happens. I hope he will be happy with that competition.”
     

    I’m all for lighting a fire under Almunia’s arse (or anyone wearing the No. 1 jersey). Competition is good for keeping him on toes and making him sharper.

  10. I’m yet to be convinced my Almunia’s performance….I know our defence also has to take the blame for it, but seeing Almunia between the sticks doesn’t really give me and alot of other fans here in India any confidence.
    I think the main concern for me is his problem while dealing with high balls and set pieces. It seems off late, hes been misjudging the ball” played in by midfielders and corners played in high. I don’t want to put all the blame on him but I think a lack of coordination has crept in between the defence and Almunia, like what we saw against Chelski.
    But on a brighter note…Vela just signed a new deal…hopefully this’ll help him in regaining his confidence!

  11. This season every time we concede a set piece,90% of the time I think “If that misses the wall/defenders, it is surely going in” That’s how much faith I have left in big Al.I sure hope he get’s his act together and gains us some points. It would be good to see him perform as he did ECL 1st leg game at OT.

    On unrelated topic, Theo says he isnt injury prone. Surprise! Surprise!

  12. Let’s be honest, Almunia is a decent goalkeeper. He has his ups and downs just like anyone else, but he is no game-winner. He is meat and potatoes, he will mop up the standard saves but he won’t make the special save that elevates a goal keeper from decent to a hero.

  13. Arseman Vela news is great but I noticed on those that have extended their contracts Fabrigas was glaringly missing.

  14. Firstlady. Fabregas already has an improved contract until 2014 and it was only extended recently.

    I don’t know how far Arsenal could stretch that one.

  15. A thought provoking quality post Darius. Sadly there is no pleasing anyone on this issue but typically there are those that believe CB + GK + DMF equals titles but it isnt that simple. I think there is no doubt that in the past eccentricity aand madness was a prerequisite for this position and Lehman, Schmeichel, Khan, Cassias, Bartez our Manuel certianly isnt.

    I still believe that he is rather unfairly criticised. The argument about good goalkeepers winning titles is neither here nor there when you consider Keepers keeping clean sheets is a combination of good goal keeping decision making combined with astute defending. Manuels errors are likely to be heightened by our kamikaze defending at times.

    I agree with you Uptight literary guy I think having a better all round team defensive mentality where midfield and the front line press the ball higher up when not in possession and track back provides better cover for our expansive game.

    Case in point Iker Cassias is probably the best shot stopper on earth. He has arguably the most expensive and stellar attacking front line ahead of him but is supported by a piss poor defence such that Real is regularly haemhorraging goals against every team. U wouldnt have said he was crap. At Barca Victor Valdes hardly inspires confidence but his missgivings are compensated for by the teams overall defensive work making people believe he is a good keeper.

    Closer to home Cech and Van der sar are lauded as great goalkeepers but the truth is they are just as suspect as the rest when put under pressure or coming for high balls. They have only been helped by the great defenses in front of them which has helped them keep clean sheets. Dont be fooled defenders do most of the hard work. When was the last time one of them made a world class save? Almunias performance at OT in the 1st leg of the Champions League was world class! Given and Jasskulinen give the illusion of being a better shot stoppers because their defences are regularly breached and cannot always be relied upon. I am sure if our defence was regularly pummelled then we would see the same.

    In Almunia, Manone, Fabianski we have potentially 3 of the best emerging talents. Keep the faith. This Arsenal team is going places.

  16. Gunner From Nigeria

    The goalkeeping issue would always be a talking point at the Arsenal.
    Although Almunia has weaknesses and, at times he could be brillant. He would never be seen as good enough in some people’s eyes just as some players have been continually criticised.
    How good a device is, is determined by the soundness of its component units.
    By this, Almunia is a better ALL AROUND goalkeeper than the others.
    The emphasis here is on all round goalkeeping.

  17. Almunia is past potentially emerging talent.

    I heard about the extension but as i said he is the only name i could note missing of those that have extended their contracts

    “Vela is the 11th first-team player who has committed his long-term future to Arsenal since the end of last season. Vela, Eduardo, Sanchez Watt, Alex Song, Nicklas Bendtner, Denilson, Robin Van Persie, Theo Walcott, Lukasz Fabianski, Aaron Ramsey and Jack Wilshere, have all recently signed new long-term extensions with the Club.”

  18. First lady…as ds mentioned…we’ll have Fab (fingers crossed) till 2014!….now the only worry is the Gallas and Rosicky deals….

    Good point! Uptight literary guy……i noticed against ManCity…one of the goals ( i think the 2nd one) would have been harder for them to score if Rosicky would’ve tracked back and defended..ive also noticed AA getting lazy (only lately) when theres a demand to defend but i think he’l get over it.Our attacking players (as great as they are) need to be reminded that they have defensive duties as well.

  19. the man city game im talkin about in my last post was the Kids cup

  20. You are correct Darius, Almunia isd a great shot stopper, If only he could catch

  21. Start of the season, we showed some intensity in our TEAM defence.
    I believe our current frailties are as a result of that dwindling a great deal.
    Good defence fuels great attack.

  22. Good post as always Darius.

    Aluminia was bought as an understudy, a guy to be called on when necessary to do a job for a couple of games and unfortunately that has remained his level.

    He is not a bad keeper, very rarely makes huge ricks, but lacks the ability to inspire confidence through either personality or performance.

    Of all the premier league goalkeepers alone, there are probably 10-12 keepers I would rather have as our number 1.

    A damning indictment that a top three club relies on, at best, a keeper of mid table standard.

  23. Almunia is a quiet guy and that is his character but that doesn’t mean he is a bad keeper. Somehow people like to see keepers waving their arms around in the box. He is not Mad Jens by the way lehmann urinated behind his goal in front of 40 000 fans against Urinea, a team with that name would certainly make you urinate. Top class.

  24. Fraid I must disagree with you Darius. When you say that “no goalkeeper is standing head and shoulders above the rest”, I can’t help thinking about the number of points that Given has gained for Citeh this season.

  25. MDGunner, you are in the States then?

    As we are talking goalkeepers, where would those Gunner custodians of old have rated today?

    Jim Furnell, Bob Wilson, Geoff Barnett?

  26. On a change of subject, The AST have just released their anaysis of the Accounts for 2008/09.

    This is the sort of thing that causes endless arguments but it des make interesting reading, if only to give some of us the chance to poke the likes of AIC in the ribs with a sharpened fiver.

    http://www.arsenaltrust.org/accounts.php

  27. JD gooner.

    Absolutely no problem with your disagreement. Like I said, everyone has an opinion and it’s good to talk.

    On the issue of Given, some might argue that City’s propencity to accumulate draws in games that they should have won maybe suggests that Given and his defense have issues. I’m sure he’s kept City in some games, but in many other games, he’s not had a chance when other teams struck to peg them to draws.

    The common denominator here being that like Arsenal, his defense left him exposed. Does that mean Given or Almunia for that matter is a bad keeper?

    @Consoles, the likes of Wilson and the older generation are lucky in that they didn’t have hundreds of millions of people watching live around the world and scrutinizing their every move from every camera angle. Thinking of it, they were damn lucky broadcasting wasn’t what it is now – and their mistakes were only highlighted depending on what side the commentator got out of bed – and even then, the audience wasn’t as humongous as it is now.

    I would think that they also had howlers they’d want to forget. Seaman for example was ordinarily very very dependable – but he’d have some moments that would make you want to hide behind the sofa.

  28. Dean Ashton could have been one of the best…..really sad he has to retire at 26.

  29. Ole Gunner.

    Maybe Ashton can make an early start to become a good manager. It’s not exactly what a footballer might want, but at least it keeps him in football. If he starts his badges soon, he might only be out of football for another couple of years as he learns a new trade.

    There was still talk of him suing Sean Wright Phillips for the erratic tackle that brought his career to an end.

  30. Ole I agree he was a very good player if he had a little more speed he would have been ‘not at West Ham’.

  31. Almunia is good enough.

    He is not the tops when ranked against current form of the keepers we have in the premier league.

    At his best, he is also not better than Lehmann was when Lehmann was at his best. (I shall refrain from comparing him with Seaman “at his best” as it is quite a pointless exercise. Almunia suceeded Lehmann so it is justifiable to make that comparison.)

    To be fair to Almunia’s critics, this season, he has not put in performances that have won us undeserved points. However, I’m not a fan of buying replacements to solve a problem. We have 4 keepers and they should be used to stand-in for a temporary loss of form or to grow into deserving contenders for the no. 1 spot. If we don’t do that, then what is the point of keeping and developing reserves precisely for the days when they will be needed?

  32. Shay Given makes more mistakes than Almunia! If you can accuse Almunia of being no more than a shot stopper then what would you call Given?

    He’s not dominant in the air. And he is flappable. He doesn’t organise his defence very well. Watch video footage of various goals at Newcastle and Money City and see his defenders take him to task for not communicating well.

    Even when we played them last midweek, Lescott, Kolo & Bridge all took him to task in different situations for this.

    He’s made many mistakes this season, and in past seasons. I remember Newcastle getting hammered by Liverpool last Christmas. Given made countless brilliant saves, but he was at fault for a couple of the actual goals.

    The goal Robin scored at the Middle Eastlands when we played them should have embarassed any keeper!

    Statistically, he has done better than Almunia has from the beginning of last season till now. But Given is not a world class goalkeeper.

  33. I think the problem why so many people criticise Almunia is that our enemies are too efficient. If our defenses were breached more often and Almunia would face 10 shots at goal, save 9 and concede 1 I bet he would be praised. But the way it is now, he faces only a couple of shots per game and if he lets one of those in, everybody complains him, even though it’s not really his fault because our enemies usually make good use of their chances.

    Even though I preferred Jens over Almunia back in the day I still think that Almunia is a good keeper. He certainly is on a level with Victor Valdes or Reina, I still can’t understand why he doesn’t stand a chance in the Spanish team.

  34. Bob Wilson would have had to be substituted for his error at the near post in the 1971 Cup Final.

    What a shocker!

    Yopu are correct about how the exposure to constant media analysis, sorry, criticism, puts pressure on players now. Like so much else really. Everything is someone’s ‘fault’.

    Scapegoats must be found and exceuted.

  35. Hey he’s just been unlucky more than anything else. He’s the only one that showed up to that first leg semi final in the UCL. My only issue is that he likely wont improve as a goal keeper but all i’m asking for is consistency, he doesn’t need to be Buffon but just needs to be there when called on to do the simple things. He needs to make sure he makes the right decisions in any given situation.

  36. Of course our Keepers are good enough to win us the the trophies we need.. Its a Hack-neyed myth that you can only win the league with international goal-keepers…

    Barcelona won all that was to be won last year with Victor a keeper no better than ours, who has little to absolutely no chance of ever playing for his national side..

    Just on the Arsenal.com.. I hope Theo plays his “heart out” whether he starts at Anfield or not..

  37. I’m still worried about our attack.

    Should we go with Arshavin again? Or should Dudu get another go?

    How do we deal with the height issue? Song is back, as is Diaby. But Denilson is well-suited to games like Liverpool because of his tactical nous. All three can’t play!

    Then there’s Ramsey who’s our in-form midfielder. He should be rewarded for his recent top-notch performances.

    I’d be tempted to play a 4-4-1-1 (depending on Eduardo’s form and fitness)

    Arshavin

    Diaby

    Nasri Song Fabregas Denilson

    Traore Vermaelen Gallas Sagna

    Almunia

    Bench: Fabianski, Silvestre, Walcott, Vela, Ramsey, Eduardo, Merida

    Alternatively:

    (4-3-3)

    Arshavin Eduardo Nasri

    Denilson Song Fabregas

    Traore Vermaelen Gallas Sagna

    Almunia

    Bench: Fabianski, Walcott, Vela, Ramsey, Diaby, Ramsey, Silvestre

  38. why (if Diaby was fit enough) can’t all four of our best mid-fielders available Cesc, Deni,Song and diaby play?

  39. KS,

    If we went 4-4-2 we could accomodate them all and leave Eduardo out. On the other hand we do need to give Eduardo a run in the team don’t we? We need him to find form soon.

    Or we could leave out Nasri in a 4-3-3 and play Diaby out wide.

  40. @Ole…diaby behing Arsh? Dunno is thats such a good Idea….I’d switch him with Nasri. Even though Nasri is defensively capable…Diaby’s strength and height would be of better use further back.
    I like the sound of 443 better.

  41. A question for u guys….have u seen Domingues play for Rubin? Valencia is about to snap him up….seems like a great buy…would fit in wonderfully well at Arsenal

  42. I’ve got nothing but love for big Al. He’s made some stunning saves during his time for us, even though he’s made a few errors this season. The only keeper in the league I rate above him is Brad Friedel

    I can’t help but think that it’s his lack of aggression that leads to some of these goals. Mad Jens (utter legend! I love this dude as much as I love Bobby P) obviously didn’t care about hurting a few of the opposition to get the ball, but I get the sense that Almunia is the exact opposite in this regard.

    As for the attack, I think we might see eduardo on the left, and Arshavin in the middle. Wenger suggested he needs to see if Arshavin in the middle works consistently

  43. well thats the question whether both Eduardo and Diaby are fit enough to both start which makes it much more difficult to speculate accurately on possibilities..

    your second 4-3-3 system appeals to me but if Dudu wasn’t fit to start and diaby was, he could just as easily take up arshavins position with arshavin moving central..

  44. Arseman,

    Diaby’s done well in the past in that position. It allows him to drop into midfield to help defend, and allows him to play high up enough, to almost be a target man.

    My worry for the 4-3-3, is dropping Nasri since he’s in form, or dropping Diaby when he offers much needed height.

  45. I think for the Liverpool game, Wenger will go for:

    Almunia
    Sagna, Gallas, Vermaelen, Traore
    Song, Denilson, Fabregas
    Nasri, Arshavin Eduardo

    Ramsey and Diaby will probably figure as subs depending on how the game goes.

    A midfield trio of Song, Neves and Fab should be a good match for Liverpool who will have Mascharano and Aquelani as their guard dogs. Liverpool have always chosen to play football instead of stopping us with anti-football tactics so it should be a good game.

  46. Darius strange that you would put a fit Eduardo, our only recognized CF (yes not recognized in Britain lol) on the left and an Arshavin in the middle..

    That mid-field three could do any team.. sadly for liverpool Aquilani is not a guard dog but more of a creator..

  47. Hmmm…i get ur point…but the argument for Nasri is that he seems to have more confidence in his finishing. Even though diaby’s link up play is great, id rather have Nasri at the end of a final ball than Diaby….
    With Diaby further back….he can still drop in to help defend but can also get more opportunity to use his awkard but effective penetrating style in attack.
    But i have a feeling that we will play 4-3-3 and hopefully whether Nasri plays or Diaby….it wont really matter coz either way we’re gonna massacare them!

  48. KS.

    The reason I went for Arshavin to lead the line is because Wenger has publicly stated that he wants to try Arshavin away from home in that position. Arshavin has form against Liverpool at Anfield and they will be terrified of the pint sized Russian.

    It makes more sense to give the in-form (based on the last game) Arshavin the job to keep the Liverpool back 4 gainfully employed, buying space for Dudu, Nasri, Fab and Denilson to join the party.

    Arshavin’s unpredictability up front is a nightmare for any defense. I also think Wenger would like to try keep Arshavin there to “buy” time for Bendtner to stake a claim to the role of leading the line. If Arshavin works out, the pressure to buy immediately is relieved and Bendy, Vela and Dudu will also have time to settle in. Wenger still retains the option to buy before the end of the Jan transfer window.

  49. YW….moderation? for what??

  50. I’d go with your line up Darius, with the possible exception of having Eduardo lead the line and Arshavin floating about like the ethereal little trouble-maker he was last season. As Kitchen Sink suggests.

    And Aqualani is indeed no guard dog.

  51. Darius whats true is that Wenger said he is not sure about whether Arshavin can be a success in the middle until he sees him do it away from home.. This could be his chance, yet a fit Eduardo who is vastly more experienced in that role would be 1st priority, as he still needs to find his groove..

  52. Eduardo needs to find the right balance between being orthodox (getting on the shoulder) and dropping deeper. At the moment, he’s still yet to adapt and is best playing around someone.

    I would be inclined to play him out on the left and during the match allow him to switch. Liverpool have not been good at tracking players recently and especially the left back, Insua has been susceptible to the late run and indeed players taking him on.

  53. the Brain he needs a meatbeast doesn’t he..

    Like Vanistelroy lol

    I remember when they said the same about RvP needing a hole to play in..

  54. 5 teams and counting, after our young starlet Jack Wilshere..

  55. Does anyone have any idea at all, why Cascarino hates Arsenal so.

    He never misses an opportunity to rubbish them, poor man gets quite emotional about it all, perhaps his tranquilisers have run out, Bless him

  56. The Brain,

    I’d be tempted to play Walcott. I’ll really fancy him against Insua.

    But Walcott is not in form, and there are form players who might not start.

    Arshavin as a striker worked against Stoke at home, against a team that sat back. Should we do that again?

    We have a busy schedule in December, and we do need Eduardo to get form. How will he get that if we don’t give him the chance to get into the role?

    How do you reckon Liverpool will play? Will they come all guns blazing like they did last year? Or will they play as they have in the big games recently, playing a tight, controlled midfield game? Or will they try to copy Chelski and Money City who got away with those tactics against us?

  57. Kitchen Sink: Not necessarily. He’s done well as the highest striker for Croatia. He and Olic played off each other though none were really the main n0.9. He’s had modric play off him and has got good support, allowing him to float around but still get into scoring positions.

    Regarding RVP; I always thought the guy had the tools to play up fron alone and did write post(s) about his advantages at the start of the season.

    I think Eduardo can do it; would it be a risk to play him as the central forward? It’s paramount in the 4-3-3 that there is good movement and support and if there is, it will be only natural to see Eduardo reap the rewards in his game.

  58. I think the goalkeeping situation we have right now is a very healthy one.

    I certainly agree with Gooner4Life when they say, “Given and Jasskulinen give the illusion of being better shot stoppers because their defences are regularly breached… I am sure if our defence was regularly pummelled then we would see the same.”

    This is of course true. Almunia is a fantastic shot-stopper. He also has expert distribution and a tonne of experience – which is why he will play come Sunday.

    The issue for Almunia and for Arsene, is that in Fabianski we have an incredible young keeper on the horizon. He’s pushing Manuel very hard now and he stands out because he excels where Manuel sometimes fades into the background – in his ‘marauding’ (as you well put it Darius) of the box. Fabianski seems fearless – and it’ll get him into trouble sometimes, but he’s the type of natural born talent that does shine when put next to Almunia, a strongly reliable but sometimes rather stilted old pro.

    Who will cost us more goals or save us more games, as that’s what it comes down to – the young firebrand or the old head? Glad I’m not making that decision. Right now it’s still Almunia’s job to lose, but it must be quite a fine line.

  59. The Brain

    Nasri cesc and Arshavin hardly provide enough service as that of Olic and the legendary Modric do they?

    Its not like Arsene said when you play for Arsenal your never alone upfront..

  60. Ole Gunner: Liverpool will look to play direct, get the ball forward quickly when they get it. Because they’ve lost Alonso I wouldn’t be surprised to see them drop back but that is when they are at their best.

    If they attack, their weaknesses will come out but come the big league matches, they seem to have the industry and concentration to stifle teams by staying compact.

    On the other hand, if we can get balls in wide areas but deliver good crosses with good movement and support as we failed to do against Chelski, that might be the difference.

    Organisation, dynamism and movement.

  61. Kitchen Sink: The difference is they play closer. Asrhavin and Eduardo wil provide a good combination but Cesc and Nasri start deeper. We hade that support with RVP; sometimes the main striker has to manufacture that and also make something out of nothing.

    Recently Edurado has been alone; Wenger took him off against Chelski. I don’t know if he pulled something but with Vela moving around created a bit more space but by that time, Chelski were already playing so deep.

  62. oh right.. closer.. Eduardo often gets lonely and need to be close to someone..

    So two appearances one after an international ,coming on to early from an injury must make you need to be closer to others ,Wenger should organize him a scrum..

  63. Kitchen Sink: Please don’t patronise me. I am a big fan of Eduardo and I think he can do a good job. I’m just laying down the criteria which should make him adjust better to the role.

    I’m not a grumpy guy, usually. Honest.

  64. Glad to hear that The Brain you’re obviously quite smart..

    I feel all the tools are there for Eduardo to reach his potential, as one of the deadliest strikers on the planet.. I’m sure Wenger is well aware of the criteria Eduardo needs to realize this, lets pray he keeps his fitness..

  65. My take on the keeper situation is that Almunia has proven himself to be a fine keeper and for fans to be looking for a replacement after this small early season blip is just impatiance. Not only is a keepers job the most scrutinized as his mistakes will obviously be the most costly he is also the player on the team with the most competition. At arsenal it’s gigantic competition, with 2 quality young keepers and a team with onis on youth, the stress and responsibility will be taking it’s toll. Manuels personal troubles are behind him but his playing ones are still there. I really hope that he can overcome his nerves. As if we had the Almunia of last season we would be rocketed up the table. It’s a matter of time.

  66. Almunia is average but so is Flapianski.And that is the problem if you drop Almunia you replace him with someone who is not better.For a club like Arsenal who are one of the top 8 teams in Europe not to have a quality keeper is plain stupid

  67. We have two quality keepers though Tommy, and a further two that are very promising coming through. The only thing plain and stupid around here is your face.

  68. Let me think do we play AA23 who scored 4 at Anfield last season or an out of form Eduardo ? What a question

  69. Block 6

    ‘AA23′ – Doesn’t really work that one, sounds more like a road in Birmingham

  70. We have three quality keepers – it is the Wenger way. Some idiots know nothing of football, just tittletattle. All in all …. Fabianski is probably the future #1, but really who knows. Keepers mature. I have always liked Almunia, at his best he really is something and has kept us in many a match. So I just say thanks and well done old stick.

  71. Limpar, you cant say we have two quality keepers, Almunia is ok, but Fab is shit

  72. Could it be that Usmanov wants to cash in on his chips? Is he trying to force Kroenke to take over the club so he can be bought out?

    it seems more likely, since he’s a long way off from being able to take over the club.

  73. The Song, Denilson, Fabregas combination is my favourite, mobility, stability and vision although hmmm … Diaby, impact.

  74. The Brain,

    I suspect Liverpool will go for it. It will be unusual for them to do that. I see them coming at us all guns blazing.

  75. “Arsenal will not struggle to stay in the top four by virtue of the fact that they have lots of really good players.

    Liverpool are the vulnerable top-four side but I still think they will finish in one of those places. ”

    LAWRO… no less, predicting the results of prem matches on the bbc.

  76. If we win this weekend, the momentum in the title race swings to us again.

  77. yeah ole, especially with draws or loses from man u and chelsea to top it all…

  78. On topic, Almunia remains no 1 me thinks for the next 2 seasons at least, especially if we win the epl with him there!

    I also think we have really good keepers at the club already. i doubt any of AWs current targets are keepers

  79. v. Pool
    need to control midfield and minimize the counter attack, its against pool.
    4-2-1-2-1
    so I’d suggest this adaptation:
    —————–Almunia————
    Sagna—Gallas—Vermaelen—Traore
    ——-Nasri————-Song———-
    —————-Cesc——————–
    —-Ramsey/Eduardo—-Arshavin——-
    —————Diaby——————–

  80. CBob – yes North Essex boy in the States (since 2002). No chickens but plenty of wild life – racoons, bears, chipmunks…

    I could have chosen John Radford too – does he still hold the Arsenal record for the youngest ever hatrick scorer?

    And was Bob Wilson the most pleasant football commentator? So many questions.

  81. Big John was my favourite from that side, MD (although I must confess to wearing 11 on my shirt and being called Charlie for several years.

    It was the skill, long hair and physique you see.

  82. David Villa

  83. Great post Darius. I am enjoying this regular feature of ACLF so kudos to YW for instituting this (I’m sure you enjoy the day off too, YW).

    I was struck, reading your post, at how rich we are in keepers. We have four quality guardians of the sticks, all of whom I can feel confidence in should they need to play. As a keeper of middling ability during my playing days I well know how thankless a position it is. Your defenders are always yelling at you for not doing what they think you should be, you get no thanks for making saves and organizing the back line, when you make a mistake you get crucified for it, and you’re always the scapegoat for draws and losses. I am firmly in the second camp you mention Darius. Our defense needs to tighten up. Wenger has shown he can make this happen as last year, despite all those draws, the back line showed it could clamp down and not concede. The pendulum may have swung a little too far into defense last year as the team was not scoring either, but no one on the team should think they are not capable of locking out the opposition.

    Liverpool will be a good test as I gather Torres and Gerrard will both be playing and Aquilani too. We will no doubt face the best XI Liverpool have started in the PL for quite some time. I am not shaking in my boots.

    ARSENAL

  84. Wenger on Sol

    “At the moment, we have four centre-backs and we will always have four.

    “If one would go, then I would consider it, but at the moment we are four, so I have no need to sign anybody else.”

    Wenger added: “I love Sol Campbell and the fact he came back here and wanted to practice with us shows he loves the club as well.

    “You never say never in these kinds of situations.

    Who is he thinking of as our four centrebacks?

    Is he not including Senderos as he’s on his way or Djourou because he’s injured.

    Either way I would love Sol to come in then we wouldn’t need another signing other than a striker maybe?

  85. Top level goalkeepers are like drummers, they are almost all insane. To be able to stand around for most of 90-odd minutes reacting only occasionally takes monumental effort and concentration.

    It is almost impossible to compare keepers as you can never compare like with like. A keeper behind two banks of four with tall centre backs will have a very different job from one in a side who spend most of their time at the other end and usually only have three defenders dropping.

    Impossible to compare keepers down the ages because of the difference in pace, skill levels of outfield players, ball technology etc.

    Keepers are usually deemed to be as good as the last outstanding save they made.

    Finally, Manuel Almunia has a tough task becuase with the amount of possession we have he barely gets a look in. Half the match practice of other EPL keepers.

  86. Frank,

    Wenger’s gonna hold off and have a very short bidding war with Man City for Torres in the summer. We’ll bid £18, Man City will bid £20, United comes in bids £30 Man City bids £40, tit for tat, Man City gets Torres for £80 mill.

    Then Real will want to get Gerrard, and they’ll break the bank to do so. Man City will also want Gerrard and another bidding war ensues which sees Cuty get him for £70mill too.

    Then we’ll surprise everyone and snatch Messi on the last day of the transfer window. He wants to play for us. Arsenal’s in his dna, and he’s heard Titi say how wonderful a manager Wenger is, and how he longs to come back

  87. I think that Almunia is a decent keeper, no more than that and certainly not in the class of Jennings, Seaman an Lehmann before him. I take Frank’s point about making comparisons about past players but this does not only apply to keepers.

    The problem is that there are not many keepers around who are significantly better than Almunia. We are more likely to win the world cup than sign Casillas who is the best in my opinion.

    Amunia’s problem is that he does not control high balls being crossed into his area. Seaman played in a far more defensive team – at least initially but virtually any cross that was not headed out was claimed by the keeper. People talk about Given but is he any better than Almunia at claiming crosses? I don’t think so. Akinfeev is not the tallest and would be expensive and Lloris is a name that has come up recently but I do not know enough about him to be honest.

    I think Manuel is still first choice but any more mistakes and I think Woocash will be given the nod. I really rate Woocash and think he is the real deal. He just lacks top-flight experience. He seems like more of a natural keeper than Almunia who at 33 will not improve much more if at all.

    Personally, I would go for Woocash.

  88. Fabianski is good in the air, but his decision making can be rash.

    I’ve found out that most people judge keepers by 1. reputation, 2. handling crosses 3. acrobatic saves, in that order.

    Casillas is a fantastic keeper, but if he played in the Premier League he’d claim hardly any balls as he’s not that dominant in the air, the way a Buffon is.

    But he has the reputation and the acrobatic saves.

    Almunia never had the reputation, is average on crosses, and he doesn’t make many acrobatic saves.

    That’s the problem. There are many other qualities he has. The best one is that he has good reflexes, he’s good 1-on-1, he’s quick off his line, and saves many goals by very intelligently reading danger, his distribution isn’t the best, but he’s actually a very sure kicker of the ball.

    He has many strengths. His strengths just don’t feature in most people’s top criteria.

  89. I really rate Lloris by the way. He’s a very good keeper.

  90. After last year the boss pointed out that the number of goals we concede separated us from Man U. We are on course to concede more then 50 league goals this year. The last 9 games against MU, LP, Chelsea, and City we have conceded 23 goals. (0 – 7 – 2). These are the biggest games and our defense should be mentally at its best. We can not score enough goals to win with this type of defensive record.
    I think we need to invest in a difference making CB, GK, and possibly a DM. Having Silvertre as 3rd choice is irresponsible. Most importantly, AW needs to develop the mental commitment to great defense. Barca can turn a switch and play great defense when needed. They conceded only 1 goal in 3 games vs Chelsea and MU last year. Our CL finals team conceded 0 goals in 10 games. I love offense but trophies and big games are won with great defense. Buying a player to help the team is not a sign of weakness and will not invalidate all the AW has worked for. Uniteds current run coincided with the additions of Vidic and Van der Saar. The positive affect of adding a good players often goes beyond what they contribute physically such as Arshavin did last year. However we do it our defense must improve

  91. I think you’re cuckoo if you think we’ll concede 50 goals this season. If we did we’d be playing to avoid relegation.

    We’ll tighten up. It will happen.

    The key is to keep being incisive in attack.

  92. Ole,

    I agree that Buffon would be better in the Prem because of his ability to claim crosses.

    Casillias is an amazing shot stopper and Lloris has looked good on the few occasions that I have seen him.

    Woocash is a bit rash but at least he is positive in trying to deal with danger. He will learn with experience when to come out of his goal.

    Al Munia is a great shot-stopper although has shown fragility at his near post and from free-kicks – he should have saved the Drogba free kick for example.

    He has apparently only saved 56% of shots which is amongst the lowest in the Prem but I am not sure how accurate these stats are. This could also be due to our defence conceding chances that give the keeper little chance.

  93. Ole:

    I do not think we will concede 50 goals this year. However, unless we do tighten up we will end up in 3rd or 4th place and may quarterfinals in CL. Our record is long enough to show that we loose our defensive focus in the big games and we concede far to many goals. Our history does not show that we have the ability to turn a switch and suddenly keep a clean sheet against Chelsea or ManU. We can not outscore our defensive mistakes against a great defensive team. We can outscore Blackburn or Wigan but not against the teams we will need to be to win CL or EPL.
    Read the 2nd to last paragraphs of Darius’s post. That describes what will make or break Arsenal FC as a legitimate title contender.

  94. AIC,

    It’s a bit more straightforward than that. How many goals have we conceded that can be blamed on Almunia. Answer. Not many.

  95. Bill,

    We could have scored 2 or 3 against Chelsea. Eduardo was put through 3 times. If that’d have been RVP we’d have scored 1 or 2 of those.

    As it was, out-of-form Eduardo didn’t even make them look like the clear-cut chances they were.

  96. Doesn’t this fool know we replaced them with Song and Arshavin two vastly superior and efficient players than those that left. His beginning to get on my ****!!

  97. Maria, that’s easy, he’s a knob.

  98. “We could have scored 2 or 3 against Chelsea. Eduardo was put through 3 times. If that’d have been RVP we’d have scored 1 or 2 of those.”

    I really do believe that.

  99. Ole:

    Obviously we disagree. Look at the scores of the QF, SF and final games of the CL for the last several years. You will see that defense clearly dominates. Barca score 105 league goals last year but their defense won the CL not their offense. It is extremely difficult to score against a well organized defensive team no matter how good your attack is. Barca scored 1 goal in 2 games v Chelsea. I love good offense but I agree with Darius that we need to mentally and physically upgrade our defense. Besides I love watching RVP, but I doubt he will be able to contribute much for us this year and I do not want to throw away this season.

  100. Interesting teams proposed for Sunday.

    Eduardo’s played on the left side of the attack loads of times, before and after his injury.

    I wasn’t keen on watching him play LM in the older 4-5-1ish formation, I suppose the team required it at times, but this season when playing on the left side of the attack up he’s provided great assists etc.

    Did it not seem like AA and RVP switched around a lot in their positional play early on this season as they settled in (hard to tell when most games are seen on the telly, why don’t the directors use wider angles sometimes?), so why won’t Eduardo and AA?

    I guess it all comes down to fitness.
    All three of of Vela, Walcott and Eduardo need the games, the fittest starts?

  101. Rosicky is only out for 10 days.

  102. Correction: Obviously Eduardo starts, otherwise Walcott and Vela would have got some rest on Wednesday?

  103. i’m loving that too Maria. Haha he’s going to end up at Wigan or Birmingham soon.

    Also Tomas new contract in the pipeline. Get In!!!
    Que Santino and AIC with the whineing.

  104. Ancelloti’s scared cause he knows his team is inferior to Mourinho’s, Grant’s, and Hiddink’s Chelsea sides.

    As for Bentley, he’s killing his career. I was thinking of how his career might have blossomed with us if he wasn’t such an impatient ingrate

  105. No class he’s got no class.

  106. …….God help who is this other fool on Arsecast today…….

  107. AW says that we were never going for Pavlyuchenko and that it was just a blind to throw people off the scent of our intended target….David Villa.

  108. We better not buy Pavlyuchenko, he’s fucking shit, he’s worse then Bentdner

  109. Rosicky only out for 10 days?! Maria, I could kiss you.

    Tottenham really are a fuckin shit club aren’t they Quirke.

  110. @ LA

    Rosicky was substituted at half-time in the 2-0 win over Stoke because of a groin injury but Wenger does not expect him to be out for too long.

    “He could be back in 10 days,” said the Frenchman. “It’s not a bad injury at all. It’s a Grade One injury, a muscular groin injury, so that is usually 10 days.

    “He has been out for 18 months and to get your body back to go with such violent physical effort you will have little set-backs.

  111. @ Q

    Most strikers in the PL are worse than the Bendtner.

  112. Bill:

    Obviously, top teams have to defend well. Stupid goals that we could easily have defended have cost us no less than 10 points this season.

    But the rest of what you’re writing is mostly nonsense. Barcelona eliminated Chelsea because they have immense offensive power.

    While it is difficult to break down teams that defend deep and play not to concede, the teams that do well and win trophies tend to be attacking teams.

    The most successful teams in history are attacking teams.

  113. “Throughout the game [at Manchester City in the 3-0 Carling Cup defeat last Wednesday], we had a lot of possession but didn’t really have anyone to go in behind the defenders, apart from Carlos Vela. We had a lot of similar players who like the ball into their feet. Sometimes it’s true that you need a different kind of option.

    Against Chelsea, I saw a team that was normal but a team that has probably the best striker in the world [Didier Drogba], and that makes such a difference. Without him, their team would not be the same. Perhaps we had the same kind of problem against Chelsea as the boys had at Manchester City, not really having someone whose game is to go beyond defenders.”

    Does not equal David Villa………so why all the talk about him would think more people would be King Kong or failing that Dindane!!

  114. Any Steve-Me special with a nice ending pic.

  115. Maria,

    Where did those quotes come from originally?

  116. Not quite sure but I don’t think it was to an English media outlet that’s why I am a tad suspicious about their authenticity.

  117. Ole:

    How can you say Barca won with their attack when the total score for 2 games against Chelsea was 1 – 1.

    The successful teams in history do both well. I actually looked at the tables for the last 7 years in EPL, Italy, Portugul, Germany, Spain. In those years the team that won the league had the 1st or 2nd best goals against record in 32 or the 35 seasons. The winning team also had the best goal scoring record in 31 of 35 seasons. The teams that win must play well on both sides of the ball.

    I have absolutely no doubt that even without RVP arsenal have the attacking ability needed to win any trophy. We are so close to being a great team, but we clearly lack something on defense at this time.

    Darius writes today: “What the team needs most is defensive discipline and mental strength to be able to do the basic bread and butter things when the chips are down and we need to close a game out or fight for a draw or win. We need to be more consistent in maintaining our defensive nous and reigning in the attacking instincts when the game dictates that we do so”

    Even the most optomistic blogger that I have ever read agrees that our defensive mentallity must improve.

  118. On Fabregas’ contract:

    Fabregas signed a new contract in 2006 which supposedly keeps him at Arsenal until 2014.

    This may sound strange because a contract in the premier league can only be signed for up to 5 years. However, this extension was managed in the following way.

    Fabregas signed the 5 year contract in 2006 till 2011. He also invoked a clause in the contract which states that he could choose to extend it automatically by up to 2 years till 2013. On top of that, there was a second clause in the contract which enabled Arsenal to extend his contract by one more year till 2014.

    The 2 year player extension and 1 year club extension are the maximum allowed extensions for premier league contracts.

    In this way, a player can sign for a club for up to 8 years.

  119. Good post Darius, and I agree that it’s not about the Super Keeper. Brazil always had great teams with mediocre goal keepers and they won many world cups. Also many teams have great keepers but won nothing.

    Many times goal keepers in the league stand between us and scoring a goal for most of the game, but in a second a goal is scored and all the heroics of the keeper in that game didn’t stop the loss.

    I wonder if the players mentality at Arsenal is so much focused on going forward. Maybe the players feel that Arsene values more and rate highly a player who goes forward than going backward. On the other hand, we can’t keep our FBacks from going forward, and our CBacks score goals for us.

    So in the end, it’s a team effort not to concede a goal not a solo goal keeper duty. Sometimes the goal keeper will make the outstanding save of the week but it’s not always his fault if we still lose the game.

    Mad Jens stood out because he had a good team in front of him, and whatever went through, he dealt with it but there wasn’t many that went through. The difference was the team, not the goal keeper.

    Can Almunia be better, of course he can…As Arsene always say “We are always looking to improve everywhere”.

  120. Lukasz really looks the business, I love how bold he is in coming out of the box.

  121. Although if keepers mattered as much as the Almunia slaters think so, Spain would have won the world cup and Euro every time since 2000.

  122. Brazil’s goalkeepers have always seemed worse because they tried to be too ahead of their times. They like athletic keepers who are good at keeping the ball out but also keeping the offensive side going.

    Look at Fabianski; how many times against Olympiakos was he rushing out to sweep. At one moment he was with the ball at his feet in the DM position. Wenger always talks about Almunia’s decision-making – when to come out, kicking etc. He could be a bit more commanding – that’s his real weakness.

    As they say, universality breeds fluency.

  123. Bill,

    Barcelona played to their strength last season. Their strength was defnitely their very incisive attack. The fact that they struggled to break Chelski down doesn’t negate this basic fact in any way.

    If anything the Chelski game underlines it. Chelski played like Bolton with a 9-1-0 formation, in abid to cancel out Barca’s devastating attack.

    What wins you trophies, statistically, is goals difference. The teams with the best goals difference usually wins the league.

    So obviously it’s goals for vs goals against. However, football is about goals. Goals win games. If you have a very effective attack, and could always score you’re more likely to win trophies than if you have a mean defence but never score.

    We saw this last season. People like Yogi’s Warrior disagree, but I still maintain it was those 4 goalless draws in february that sealed our fate last season.

    We weren’t conceding, but we weren’t scoring. Result? Draws.

    Goals win games.

    Look, in a way we’re both saying the same thing. I’ve been disgusted with some of our defending this season.

    Very few times (compared to the goals conceded) has our defence really been breached. We don’t concede many chances.

    We’re conceding more goals than our tactical shape, and the form of the defenders should decree.

    So I agree with what you’re saying.

    I just think it’s complete crap that defences win trophies, when history has proven again and again that the teams that win the most are the offensive teams.

  124. Yeah but the keeper cant be shit, Almunia aint shit, but Fabianski is i’m afraid, he’s a dreadfull keeper

  125. Everyone of course will love wukash after that performance against olimpiacos. Were you the same way after chelsea last season? Or when liverpool made it 4-4? He has a future for sure but i want everyone to stick by him even when he struggles, that’s what makes a proper supporter

  126. “We already know that Almunia is an excellent shot stopper. I’d like to see him be more of a marauding menace in the 18 yard box. Shot stopping by itself isn’t good enough and he needs to own that box and bully everyone like he owns the title deed to that area of the pitch.”

    That sums up my only problems with Almunia…our defense used to fall back off of players when they attack the box…it’s made Almunia gun-shy…he’s still getting used to the change that the Verminator has brought as well. I think that we will see Almunia taking command when he begins to trust that he can do so safely.

  127. It’s quite simple actually. If you have an attack better than the rest of the league (not measured only in terms of goals scored, but also effectiveness, and the ability to create chances), you are more likely to score more goals than the opposition can score against you.

    Goals difference. The team with the best goals difference usually wins. In all leagues, in the last few decades this has been the case.

  128. Flint McCullough

    Good read Darius.

    Consolsbob

    A way ahead of Fingers; better than Barnett by a distance & a bit below Bob.

    Not a patch on Jack Kelsey or Pat Jennings, and some way behind Seaman.

    ‘keepers took more of a battering in those days but against that they were able to pick the ball up. They have to be reasonable footballers now.

    Manuel is on a par with Lukic, a satisfactory ‘keeper but if an outstanding one becomes available, ie Seaman, you take him. That is just where we are, but where is your Seaman?

    The PL ‘keepers are much of a muchness at the moment. No one stands out & none are piss poor.

    Szczesny has already played for Poland, at 19 yo. I think in 10 years time he will have played 300+ games for us.

  129. Didn’t Arsenal score the same amount as United last season? We conceded about 15 more however.

    The best attacks usually are the winners but that is not always quantifiable by goals. It’s effectiveness.

    but scoring the same amount as Arsenal says that there is more to it. They were better organisaed, tactically better etc.

    For Arsenal to be the best, because of the way we play, means the three criteria must be married – organisation, dynamism and movement.

  130. Couldn’t agree more Flint.

    Wowcheque is the only one of our keepers who’s strong in every area. He’s weak in a key area: Experience. But he’ll get there.

    Fabianski is now pushing Almunia, and Mannone pushing Wukash. Hopefully that should stave off the complacency problem we had at the end of last season in which each keeper seemed to have accepted his place and none was pushing to improve.

  131. Bill absolutely no denying that you can make a very constructive point, and are handy with the stats. However surely the problem we have in keeping clean sheets is a tactical problem and nothing to do with personnel. Both Gallas and Vermaelen as individuals are having good seasons. There play is good, not many goals have been due to there lack of ‘difference making’.

    Regarding support defenders, without paying the earth in wages it is difficult to keep an experienced decent defender happy. The fact that we have Silvestre here and for the time being happy is a testament to Wenger. Against Olympiakos a team making it to the last 16 of the champs he performed admirably. He also gives a great deal supposedly behind the scenes. We also have Senderos who granted could be leaving. Add that to Djourou who in my eyes is the future. A gigantic rock of defender. If we purchase now that could be the end of his line. Not to mention stunting the growth of Bartley and Nordtveit.

    Perhaps the signing of Campbell, a senior player who could perform if needed and add a great deal of experience and intuition would suit us. Better that than a big signing of an unknown entity. As any player can come in and flop.

  132. Does anyone else have a feeling Andrey might just go supernova again on Sunday?

  133. Actually, yes Limpar!!

  134. Walcott said he’ll play his heart out, andrei’s recollection of the 4 goals may give him some spark. And Cesc will be Cesc

    I hope A.Villa and Everton get some points, but even if they dont we are in a great position to have the pendulum swung our way again like Ole Gunner mentioned before now earlier

  135. Ole:

    I agree that you must score goals to win games but all the great teams are good defensively. The invincibles had the best defensive record in the league. Barca had the best goals against record in La Liga last year even though they score 105 league goals. You have to be good on bothe sides of the ball to win.

    We have the ability to score goals. I believe that if we keep our attacking team intact and we could somehow find someone like Van der Saar and Vidic (I do not know who they are) and improve our mentallity on the defensive end as Darius suggests, we could win the double for the next 5 years.

  136. Great news on Diaby and Rosicky’s injuries.

  137. Bill,

    What you left out is that league winners last season conceded more goals than Arsenal. Inter Milan, in defensive-minded Italy conceded more goals than us.

    Yes it is true, that part of being the best team in a league is having a good defence. However football is designed such that goals win games & the reward for scoring are higher than the rewards for not conceding.

    Obviously it’s about balance, as Wenger says all the time.

  138. Bill I had a pitch in with the big Defense discuss, but it’s under moderation. I just have to say that we did find a Vidic it’s Vermaelen and it’s good.

    I think problems we may have are tactical rather than personnel. I think Wenger has looked at the squad and thought ok come and have a go we’ll score more than you, then chosen his 433.

  139. Excellent, axis. Glad I’m not the only one. Very interesting point you make at 4.45 too. I go along with that.

  140. California Gooner

    I’m coming in late to the discussion, but I hope our front line at Anfield features some serious speed. Insua is vulnerable and Glen Johnson barely plays defense. I think Liverpool have to win this one, so they will attack… and we should counter attack. With that in mind, I would put Denilson in the defense and either Walcott or Vela up front.

  141. Els:

    I hope you are right but I do not see any real evidence to suggest that. TV and WG have conceded alot of goals this yr. It is either them, the GK or our system. Something has to change and the addition of a player or 2 can add more then just their physical abilities would add.

    Chelsea put 9 men behind the ball and held Barca to 1 goal but lost. Unfortunately Chelsea did the same thing defensively to us in the last game. The difference between us and Barca is Chelsea know that somehow they will get 2 – 3 goals against our defense. They can put 9 men behind the ball and still score us. They could not be Barca with 9 men behind the ball because Barca stepped up defensively. We have not shown that we can keep a clean sheet. Improving our defense would make them spread the field more to search for goals and would help our offense.

  142. “Where did those quotes come from originally?”

    From the captain’s notes in the Stoke match programme Ole. But each media outlet selectively quoted and twisted parts of the whole to fit whatever headline preceded it. If you read the whole thing in context, he was not ‘demanding’ or ‘requesting’ anything. He said no more than AW that on both those occasions, given our injuries we did not have the variety up front to make the most of our offensive ability.

  143. els,

    I think that’s not accurate. Look at most of the goals we concede. They’re gifts to the opposition.

    Bill,

    How did we keep a clean sheet on Saturday. What happened?

  144. Ole I think a lot of gifted goals occured early on in the season and could have been tactical confusion and actually due to new personnel in defence. It is ironing itself out now.

    I did post a bit more earlier but it’s FANTSTICALLY under moderation.

  145. Dariuus,

    I find this piece in your interesting article a bit of an assumption

    Now that Almunia has reacquainted himself with his duties in goal, it seems an appropriate time to debate the issue of our goalkeeping performance. His recent run of games in my view is enough time to get over the mental anguish and stress that his family has faced in recent times. Manuel himself proclaimed only a few days ago that he is now mentally and physically fit, while acknowledging that he has not had the best of starts this season.

    Two or three months after the tragic death of his mother-in-law,is a very short period of time, especially when living in a foreign country, and whatever Almubia may have said, no one knows for sure what is in his mind and if he really is focused, as yet.

  146. RVP,Ade and Arshavin all brought in Jan.

    Interesting.

  147. You know that South American bloke who kicked the ball with both feet backwards with his hands on the floor? Was he a good keeper?

  148. Ole:

    If we play like that more often we would win the league. I will await to see if we can do that against someone better then Stoke.

    Remember how Alex totally dominated Adeybeyor and dominated the box when PSV won against us in the CL 3 years ago. AW even commented about that. If we had someone similar to Alex along with TV at CB and a maybe a better keeper and most important minor tweaking of our defensive mentallity we would be great. We could get a couple of players without breaking the bank and it would not invalidate AW’s goals.

  149. How did Manuel arrange for….how did his mother-in-law die?

  150. Ah. Car-crash.

  151. I agree, Flint. I always liked Bob and his bravery but he lacked a bit of something. Barnett never really made it.

    It does not seem to be a good time for ‘keepers, look how England are struggling to find one. A time of famine.

  152. —————almunia——————————–
    —sagna—gallas—vermaelen—–traore—
    ———song—fabregas—-denilson————-
    ———nasri—-arshavin—diaby—————-

    subs: Walcott, fabianski, silvestre, senderos, ramsey, eduardo, vela

  153. —————almunia————————–
    —sagna—gallas—vermaelen—–traore—
    ———song—fabregas—-denilson———
    ———nasri—-arshavin—diaby————

    subs: Walcott, fabianski, silvestre, senderos, ramsey, eduardo, vela

  154. —————-almunia————————-
    —sagna–gallas—vermaelen—-traore—–
    ——-song—-fabregas—–denilson———
    ——-walcott–arshavin—–nasri————

  155. Wll that famine doesn’t seem to have affected the national team of Spain, Bob.

  156. —————-almunia————————-
    —sagna–gallas—vermaelen—-traore—–
    ——-song—-fabregas—–denilson———
    ——-walcott–arshavin—–nasri————

  157. —————- almunia————————-
    — sagna– gallas— vermaelen—- traore—–
    ——- song—- fabregas—– denilson———
    ——- walcott– arshavin—– nasri————

  158. —————- almunia-
    — sagna-gallas-vermaelen-traore-
    ——- song-fabregas-denilson——
    ——- walcott-arshavin-nasri——-

  159. kelsey.

    If Almunia is still grieving he shouldn’t be back at work, period.

    He has the option of requesting compassionate leave if he’s not up to the job.

  160. —————-almunia-
    —sagna-gallas-vermaelen-traore-
    ——-song-fabregas-denilson-
    ——-walcott-arshavin-nasri-

  161. —————-almunia.

    —sagna-gallas-vermaelen-traore.

    ——-song-fabregas-denilson.

    ——-walcott-arshavin-nasri.

  162. —————-almunia.

    sagna-gallas-vermaelen-traore.

    ….song-fabregas-denilson.

    ……walcott-arshavin-nasri.

  163. is it 2-1 to Ruch Chorzow?

  164. Where was Barazite been for the CL and CC games recently??

  165. Nasir Jones-Nasri

    I remember that crazy Colombian, Frank. The world needs more keepers like him. We need more haircuts like his, too.

  166. @Consols Bob and Flint.

    I respectfully note that you both have had the privilige of watching and supporting the Arsenal for longer than most of us.

    How did fans react in the 70s when we had issues with stringing together a run of games worth noting and there were goal keeping issues. Bob you mentioned that Wilson had a shocker at the 71 cup final. Was he lynched?

  167. “Where was Barazite been for the CL and CC games recently??”

    He has been out due to a dislocated shoulder, but Neil Banfield says he is on his way back having recently started light training.

  168. Higuita, Frank. Hours and hours spent in the park after school trying to get that down. When we thought a scout might be watching (just dog-walkers usually) we’d tee each other up for a Higuita special, thinking to ourselves, surely a flawlessy executed scorpian kick gets you a contract. Absolutely nailed a couple but never so much as a trial came out of it.

    Ah. BMXs for goalposts.

  169. Maria, Passenal, I think he had surgery on it. Sounds as though he is coming along nicely as the first estimate was back to training in the New Year.

  170. Thanks guys, real shame about Barazite for both himself and Pz.

  171. Yeah Limpar…sometimes I thin that the kepper position is one where compansation comes into play a lot. Good defences cover for average keepers and great keepers cover up bad defences…If the defence is doing it’s job, the keeper shouldn’t have anything to do. Don’t know what that should mean for us…I just think it’s hard to tell how good a keeper really is.

  172. …uh…think that the keeper…lol..:”thin the kepper”

  173. Nasir Jones-Nasri

    Funny stuff, Limpar. We used the park trash bins. But I realize you guys had to improvise because of those tricky Northern Irish.

  174. AFC the Greatest

    I’m happy YW referred to Lehmann’s mistakes in the 07/08 season, however, we never lost those games. We beat Fulham 1:0 and also drew with Blackburn away.

    If you count the number of cheap mistakes Almunia has made, it makes that of Lehmann pale into insignificance. For Almunia, a mistake by a defender is always a goal in the making. Almunia is shaky at crosses and free kicks.

    In fact any GK beaten by a 41 yards shot is not a good GK and Almunia is certainly not Arsenal quality. He was not even a No.1 GK for Celta Vigo, a second division club so he had no good track record.

    Arsene likes buying cheap and as the saying goes, cheap things are always expensive in the end.

    Almunia’s so-called grieving is a cover because he flopped against Manu, Portsmouth and City before he lost his relative.

    Almunia is just bad for the Arsenal.

  175. ‘Thinning the kepper’ is an old smokehouse technique from the Highlands.

  176. Is it true Lehmann peed in the stands in the c.l match!!??

  177. I didn’t even know that i knew that…

  178. @Limpar Assist my friend.

    Your range of skills amazes me sometimes.

    What next after thinning keppers?

  179. I’m out of typos…

  180. …maybe fatting koppers?

  181. Drogba was through, after a mistake by Marquez, one-on-one in the Nou Camp last year. He hit a tame shot straight at Valdez. He scores then they win the tie. They also had 3 penalties turned down at home and missed several chances.

    Teams that win also ride their luck. Barca never managed to shut Chelsea down defensively and it took them 190 minutes to get a goal.

    Last season we went to Stamford Bridge and the Chavs had 1 shot on target all game, none in the second half.

    We do need to defend better. We will concede fewer goals as the season goes along if we keep this standard up. No way we concede 50 overall, cant happen, we will improve.

    Easier to defend when you have the ball and teams are scared shitless to send men forward.

    Personally, I think after this season the two Poles will be our keepers. Both look potential world class to me.

    I hope we play Arshavin up front and Edurdo left wing tomorrow with song and denilson protecting Fabregas.

  182. Perhaps one of Basil’s ‘Fatty Owls’?

  183. California Gooner

    Good post. Yogi, I like the idea of making you’re blog available for guest posts. Hearing StoneCold’s well articulated arguments fits in well with the generally open spirit of the blog and discussions.

    One thing I’m always reminded of when we discuss goalkeepers is that a goal not scored is worth just as much as goal against (except in knock-out competitions, of course). So, when Vela flubs two reasonably easy chances it really isn’t much different to me than a goalkeeping error, although Vela is likely to be forgiven next time he scores. So, the position is cruel in that all of your mistakes are recognized.

    Having said that, I like Almunia but think that his personality lacks natural intensity.His best season was when he took the gloves from Lehmann, while last season he lived in hope of gaining a place in the England team. I think he needs those motivators in order to keep his focus and really push himself. Wenger understood this when he kept him benched and made him sweat a bit for his place in the team. That is all so much psychological speculation, of course, but it is my best effort to understand our sometimes brilliant but often frustrating keeper.

  184. Nasir Jones-Nasri

    Another post with Spud leanings from Geoff at Le Grove I see.

  185. Almunia was not beaten by one shot from over 40 yards but two last season. So of the goals he has conceded this season have been really cheap.I am not a big fan of Fabianski and he has done badly in the big games he has played.
    We have quality all over the pitch so why cant we have it in goal its a mystery.

    2-2 draw on sunday. Arshavin double

  186. AFC the Greatest

    Almunia got beaten cheaply last season by Bentley and Aaron Lennon.

    Almunia is not Arsenal quality.

  187. Fuck off Howard?

  188. Almunia is one of the best in the premier league. Fabianski will become better though. Mannone is great but will have difficulty getting games thanks to Lukasz. Szczesny though is something special, and could be the best in the world 6 to 7 years from now.

    I think we’re covered for GK

  189. 2-1 to the arsenal.

  190. I think the team that gets the most points usually wins the league.

  191. Nacer’s aim for this season is to make his Premier League debut. We both still believe he will achieve that aim. His injury has of course been a disappointment, but it has also given us an opportunity to strengthen our relationship. As steel is hardened by fire, so love is made resilient by the flames of adversity.

  192. Perry groves that’s crazy!!!!! even for Lehmann..

    tread lightly Poli, you’re in risk of making too much sense there..

  193. What the hell was the lesser Ronaldo doing behind the advertising hoardings at a match between Stuttgart and Unirea?

  194. Mad Jens probably thought they were playing Urinea.

  195. Am I the only person who thinks Diaby should play in the striker role with Arshavin playing just off him? To me, Diaby is tall, strong and is the most underrated finisher at Arsenal…

    Come on Arsene, you know it makes sense…!!!

  196. Almunia is a very average ‘keeper in Premiership terms and he is, indeed, a weak link in the defence, but he’s not the only one. Apart from the overall emphasis on attacking play taking the focus away from the art of defence, we suffer from a sense of belief that we can stop opponents from scoring. This is not helped by a goalkeeper who is indecisive and unable to command his defenders. I have every sympathy with Almunia’s personal problems and I wish him all the best, but his deficiencies have been evident over a much longer period than the last couple of months.

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