Darius from Stone Cold Arsenal issues his own personal State of the Union on 2009/10…
International breaks are notorious for inducing chronic cases of Arsenalitis, so it is timely to reflect on how the season is progressing. This time last year, we had already received shock therapy from newcomers Stoke and Hull with Villa and Fulham turning us over for good measure. Even so, we were just a couple of weeks shy from the turning point of the season when Gallas was relieved off his captaincy, his ass nailed onto the naughty step at London Colney just before Manchester City spanked us.
No one would blame ardent Arsenalists for having cold sweats during what is traditionally a ‘nightmarish’ month. The least we would expect is that our team has learnt the lessons of previous seasons.
Since that defeat at Eastlands in November 2008, we have played 46 matches in all competitions and lost 6. This would suggest that progress has been made and when Wenger proclaimed 2 weeks ago that Arsenal will win a title this season, it would not be unreasonable to assume that he knows something we don’t.
After all, this is the man who was laughed out of TV and radio studios, ridiculed in newspapers for proclaiming in 2002 that Arsenal could win the title unbeaten. Granted, it took him one more year but it was a monumental achievement when his revelation came true after a nerve-racking encounter against Leicester City.
The images of Wenger walking around an empty Highbury after the season finale soaking up the achievement of the ‘Invincibles’ team was a sight to behold, a sight better than sticking two fingers up to the doubters to remind them that Arsenal is the greatest club on earth.
Is Wenger onto something when he says that we will win a trophy this season? The evidence so far is stacked in his favour. After a summer of indifferent opinions from fans, pundits and hacks; calls from all quarters for Wenger to strengthen the squad with Galacticos by breaking the bank and an unsavoury game of power chess in the Arsenal boardroom, the team has surpassed the expectations of many, showing their maturity and determination in proving that Wenger isn’t off his trolley.
Very few from the footballing establishment, let alone a significant section of Arsenal fans, gave this team a chance in hell at the start of the season. The team, so far, has resoundingly defied the odds, making collective doubters stand up and take notice.
It is a colossal understatement to suggest that a team that has bagged 55 goals in all competitions from 17 different outfield players isn’t serious about winning a title. If ever there was a statement of intent, it’s hard to see what else this team can do to show that they’re on the way to bringing a trophy home. In addition to the goal feast, two other attributes of this side are worth highlighting.
Firstly, it is a pleasure to witness the maturity of both individual players and the team as they move from strength to strength. To explain this aspect of our game, you could cite a change in system to a more attacking and fluid 4-3-3, the personal development of individual players who have improved over the last couple of years or the recent addition of quality players to the squad. What is not in doubt is that the team ethic has improved and that players are showing maturity and mental strength in how they approach the game.
Secondly, it’s hard to ignore the audacity of this team in their determination to play Wengerball. This is a team that is refusing to accept the old maxim that the Premiership is the toughest league in the world and teams have to play a brand of ugly, hard-crunching, agricultural football to win the title.
For too long, characteristics like grit, determination, commitment, passion and ‘headless chicken syndrome’ (the art of clocking mileage on a pitch without adding value) have been used as an excuse and substitute for not being able to play entertaining football. This team are hell bent on defying critics by suggesting that the beautiful game is not a privilege, but a right for the hard working football fan who spends their hard earned money to watch the game that they love.
Despite this positive state of affairs, many will still point out the shortcomings of the team this far. It is naive to ignore the deficiencies, particularly our perceived propensity to gift soft goals to opponents. I don’t think our generosity is intentional. We have the personnel and maturity to resolve any defensive issues as the season continues.
Perhaps we need to manage our own expectations about our ability to keep clean sheets. It is unreasonable to expect that if we play Wengerball, opposing teams won’t attack our goal; the law of averages suggests that some of them will score.
Defensive responsibilities are shared by the whole team and there is certainly room for improvement. The team knows this and based on performances so far, they have earned the right to be given space to resolve the issues. The more games we play, the better the team will get.
What is more of an issue for me this far, is the indifferent attitude and actions of a section of Arsenal fans both in the stadium and on the blogosphere? It’s the job of pundits and hacks to slate the team, constantly reminding us of the plethora of misguided reasons why they think we won’t win anything this season.
However, it is unacceptable for Arsenal fans to constantly slate individual players or the team. It’s hard to see what more this team or certain players can do to get some breathing space. Being a supporter is not just about enjoying bragging rights when we beat the Tiny Tots or when we win titles. It’s our responsibility to take the good with the bad. Each of us has our own views about our favourite players; debates will go on in pubs, offices and the blogosphere about the performances of the players. Once any player puts on an Arsenal shirt and steps onto the pitch, they have earned the right to be supported absolutely. Anything short of this is criminal.
There will be many times this season that the team will have to dig in and fight for a draw or a win. It’s during those times that the fans, especially those in the stadium, need to stand up and be counted. So far, the team has shown their mental fortitude and impeccably illustrated that they are in it for the long haul. The season is a long stretch. They need all of us to get behind them during the difficult moments to come, instead of a section of our own fans beating the team with a big stick. Arsenal bashing should be the preserve of misguided pundits and hacks.























i hate internationals
By: Rohit on November 11, 2009
at 12:20 am
great post man. i agree about some arsenal fans. it’s almost like all they see is what’s wrong with the team instead of taking the positives and looking for improvement on the negatives. i would encourage these people to look at themselves. are they trying to improve themselves? anyways, love what wenger has done with the team. they play more as a team then anyone in the league right now and they are loving what they do. i never thought we would drop out of the top four and expected to be making a push for the top and we are. Now on to sunderland and thru to smash chelski.
By: K. Metz on November 11, 2009
at 12:26 am
Great piece dude! Well written. Take heed Blog Assassins. Support your team! Don’t slate them! To single out individuals is counterproductive! Anyone who is underachieving needs your support!! They have the tools to do the job, or they wouldn’t be there. Help them. Back the team, back the board, up the Arsenal.
By: Captain Flak on November 11, 2009
at 12:26 am
Excellent article!
By: gooneryank on November 11, 2009
at 12:33 am
super post man!…some great pts in there well done…agree with everything
By: E.G on November 11, 2009
at 12:38 am
Agree 150% with article. But Arsenal need to prove it when the grounds become heavier and against top quality opposition.
After the break the Chelsea game will be a marker.
Ancelotti steeped in the Italian defensive mindset might set out to frustrate the gunners. Win it and then the epl could be in sight.
By: James Smith on November 11, 2009
at 12:39 am
great piece, your right we all should get behind the eleven boys who go out every saturday but were most of us right when we slated adebayor last season.
Anyway two tough fixtures coming up, six points would send a statement out to the few doubters left that we are here for the long haul.
By: Paul on November 11, 2009
at 12:46 am
Absolutely and giggle at Liverpool along the way….
By: Stal on November 11, 2009
at 1:00 am
Wonderful post.
Regarding those supporters at games who boo or jeer an Arsenal player, they detract from Arsenal, work against Arsenal and impact negatively on Arsenal.
They, are anti-Arsenal. Save your supposed frustration for after the game, away from influence you might have.
In fact, just stay away.
By: Vinafc0722 on November 11, 2009
at 1:16 am
Liverpool choked last season as did we the season before IMHO.. we were in Liverpool’s position last year… look at us now… will they recover like the Arsenal?? In Arsene We Trust!!!
Great times ahead gooners Imagine a world where the rub of the green goes the way of The Arsenal… like it has for Man Utd since the inception of the Premier League… We’ll be on 19 titles soon Gooners!!! Mark my Words…
great times Ahead
By: Stel on November 11, 2009
at 1:33 am
Arsenal went through the entire season without a loss and won the 2004 title. Arsenal still needs a playmaker. A Cat tyo go to when the chips are down to score. Not against the likes of Spurs or Everton but Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool. http://bobbygee.wordpress.com/
By: bobbygee on November 11, 2009
at 1:55 am
Great post.
Bobbygee. I agree with you 100% about the need for a playmaker. Fabregas, Rosicky, Arshavin and Nasri just don’t have the quality….
By: lagooner on November 11, 2009
at 3:06 am
Great post! I couldn’t agree more.
By: HJ on November 11, 2009
at 3:33 am
I could not have said it better myself
By: Bigbrovar on November 11, 2009
at 3:37 am
Darius, congratulations on an excellent piece of writing.
Yes , this Arsenal will go places. I believe the maturity is there but as Viera said the truth in on the field and we shall see that in our coming game with Chelski. From the evidence we see from their recent game with the Manures, they cheated to win. Manures were no better especially the kung fu kick by Evans on Dogba’s chest. The rough stuff will xcoe out I am sure as Chelski will try to prevent us from playing our passing game. We just need to pass the ball forward faster and have these old men chase shadows. I am looking forward to it for sure.
No Fear !!! We Are The Arsenal!!!
By: Malaysiangunner on November 11, 2009
at 3:59 am
From The Times November 10, 2009
Darren Fletcher, the Manchester United midfield player, has claimed that he and his team are suffering the consequences of comments made by Arsène Wenger after Arsenal’s 2-1 defeat at Old Trafford on August 29. “I think we are starting to see Mr Wenger’s comments starting to influence referees, which is a shame, really.”
He has to be kidding, right.
By: MDGunner on November 11, 2009
at 3:59 am
Lagooner,
…Fabregas, Rosicky, Arshavin and Nasri just don’t have the quality…???
We just found the weak link in the chain! Week in, week out Fabregas does exactly what this sort of a player should, Arshavin is obviously the kind who can single-handedly win us a game or two. Nasri should be judged by this season by i have utter faith in his capabilities. And when u pick out Rosicky, i want to bite ur head off , before the injury he’d stood out as a very dependable attacker, now i just don’t want him to strain and head back to our ever-present injury list, but did u watch our game against Man City? I can’t have this argument.
By: jonQue on November 11, 2009
at 4:02 am
I can’t find anything to disagree with there…
John Terry and co are crowing, and fans and pundits alike are rightly impressed with the ruthlessly efficient Chavski machine … 18 days to go before we see what we’re really made of.
As Keegan famously said, I would love it if we beat them. Let’s not fuck it up like he did.
By: ignatz on November 11, 2009
at 4:06 am
as usual boobygee post his usual arsenal spam with stupid comment that show he never watch arsenal play,actually never watch football
great post Stone Cold
. we are in our way to the title…..if the injuries news slow down.thanks god we have strength in our squad to cope with few injuries (unlike Liverpool who cannot cope with 2)
unlike like last year where we couldnt cope with team parking the bus ,this year we destroy them .
By: lordgunner on November 11, 2009
at 4:07 am
Touche!
Specially agree with “Once any player puts on an Arsenal shirt and steps onto the pitch, they have earned the right to be supported absolutely. Anything short of this is criminal”.
When they stroke the ball as is often the case, sit back & enjoy. If the going gets tough and it will at times – that’s when the players need your support most!
By: Godwin Owino on November 11, 2009
at 4:08 am
I love this article! Wholesome where the positives and negatives are highlighted or criticised constructively. It is an excellent piece. All players who put on the Arsenal shirts in any game deserves our support. (Quote ” Anything short of this is criminal”). On reflecting, to be fair, perhaps the fans had crossed the line and had pushed Adebayor overboard, not that he was totally undeserved from the fans’ wrath for his hot and cold attitude and disloyalty to the club! Let’s hope that all the Arsenal players involved in their respective international duties will come back in good shape and injury-free to face Sunderland and Chelsea with positive results.
By: josh khor on November 11, 2009
at 4:19 am
re MDGunner:
Fletcher was not only kidding, he was unashamedly silly and stupid to blame Arsene Wenger for his own purile behaviour. He is such an egoistic player!
By: josh khor on November 11, 2009
at 4:26 am
re MDGunner:
lets hope he’s right!!!!!!! now if only Platini and all those other clowns would listen!!!!!!!
By: Stel on November 11, 2009
at 4:45 am
Great post Darius…I’m missing Arsenal already.
By: Gunner4Ever on November 11, 2009
at 5:02 am
i couldnt agree more with cloughies view of motd.Hilarious absolutely loving it .
John Motson gets destroyed by Brian Clough – Interview
By: santino on November 11, 2009
at 5:54 am
Regarding the fan support of Arsenal players, you are SPOT on. We must support this team, whomever is wearing the jersey as now is when they need our support more than ever-this goes out particularly to those fans who get the opportunity to watch Arsenal games live. We need to create that 12th man (akin to the Kop-Liverpool could do with a 13th & 14th man right now:))
On resumption of hostilities, post international break, we have two games of contrasting nature but both ideally suited to test this version of Wenger’s Arsenal. Sunderland away will be yet ANOTHER test of our willingness to win away from home in the forboding North (East or West it does not matter). Furthermore, Sunderland are in good form right now. Then the small matter of Chelsea @ The Emirates needs to be settled. Chelsea more than any other top 4 team ahs given us fits over the recent years as their brutish, powerful style of football has constantly upset our apple cart. After watching them squeak by UTD. at home with a rather unappealing brand of football, I HOPE & PRAY that our style proves to have the requisite SUBSTANCE and tenacity to overcome these hurry-come-ups. It should, providing we beat Sunderland give us an opportunity to move to the top of the league-now what an incentive that must be.
By: RedandDread on November 11, 2009
at 6:00 am
Nice one Santino…never seen this before, it’s awesome…
By: Gunner4Ever on November 11, 2009
at 6:10 am
“Arsenal bashing should be the preserve of misguided pundits and hacks”
what a line i hope all those neggy so-called Arsenal Fans take that statement to heart.
Absolutaly fantastic article. COME ON GOONER Supporters support the best footbal playing team in the world
By: Gabzevo on November 11, 2009
at 7:28 am
Cloughie was the REAL special one.I remember rooting for Forest in E cup finals, just coz they were English, something I would never do for a ManU or a Chelski,nowadays.Just goes to show how much RESPECT has gone out of the game and why EUFA spend millions on trying to get it back.Could it be that is why so many fans boo their own players these days? Mind you ,in those days we only payed a couple of quid to see a game and didn’t “need to” spend 40 on home shirt and maybe away shirt too (and 3rdshirt?).We made our own banners ,bought a real wool scarf or had mum to knit one which we still can wear on cold away games in the N.East.Perhaps fans have feelings too and maybe expectations are too high?I believe in supporting one’s team to the core as I have done consistently since 1965,however on the other hand ,in the present age,cannot blame others ,perhaps with less Gooner time than myself,venting their disappointment on a type like Adebuggor.
If it is not too politically incorrect ,I still think we have one too many Diab-bollical players in our present line-up,would rather see Nasri, Ramsey, Wilshere or Eastmond in his stead!!!
By: ASNLthruNthru on November 11, 2009
at 7:45 am
jonQue @4.02am
I was mocking bobbygee. I’ll try to be more obvious next time!
By: lagooner on November 11, 2009
at 8:08 am
Brian Clough, legend! How funny that they didn’t listen then and now we have 3 idiots chatting shit about incidents on MOTD or any other stupid show.
It annoys the hell out of me when you are waiting for a 4 goal haul from the glorious Gunners and you have to sit through loads of other shite games first.
The North London Derby was about the 5th match, can you imagine if it was the Manc derby or the Liverpool derby? MOTD is a load of biased crap anyway, hosted generally by 2 Sousers and a Tott!
Less chat more footy would be better.
We all have Jimmy Hill to blame it was his idea to introduce pundits!
By: drew10 on November 11, 2009
at 8:15 am
Brilliant Cloughie clip, Santino.
By: perrygroves on November 11, 2009
at 8:27 am
Well done Darius, another very well constructed, well thought out guest post.
By: Kingsalami on November 11, 2009
at 8:44 am
Super Post, probably the most productive iv read for atleast2seasons.but also I must say that we must not ignore our own deficiencies, talkin about them I believe is gr8 as I’m not a fan of blind love. But its the manner in which u talk about them. Constructive or jus str8 criticism? That’s wat pisses me off with a lot of fans. Once agen gr8 post m8. (Food for thought) wud this post have been posted had we bin 5th in the league?
By: swarve on November 11, 2009
at 8:56 am
Any idea where i can watch MOTD online so i can ave a good luagh too??
By: Maria on November 11, 2009
at 8:57 am
Get piece by the way!!
By: Maria on November 11, 2009
at 8:59 am
*Great
By: Maria on November 11, 2009
at 9:02 am
Maria, as far as I know, you can only watch MOTD on BBC Iplayer until the repeat on Sunday morning is over.
Footy Tube often has individual match segments taken from MOTD but they don’t include the “expert” analysis at the end of each game.
By: perrygroves on November 11, 2009
at 9:06 am
This lemonade thing, perrygroves. I don’t feel that I am on the inside track on this one. In my day lemonade was a refreshment enjoyed by women and children. Generally imbibed by the middle classes, although there was some fizzy clear stuff which came in a bottle which the lower orders were conned into buying.
As for bestiality/zoophilia…a crime against nature, sir
By: Frank on November 11, 2009
at 9:07 am
Great post Darius – clear well thought out points and I can’t argue with the sentiments either.
Thanks for posting that clip Santino – Shame they didn’t listen to Cloughie and just got worse over the years.
By: Passenal on November 11, 2009
at 9:13 am
‘Once any player puts on an Arsenal shirt and steps onto the pitch, they have earned the right to be supported absolutely. Anything short of this is criminal.’
I’m all for getting behind the team – when people grumble, sigh and moan at home matches I find it exasperating. Even so, I think the statement above is an unfortunate exaggeration. I certainly didn’t feel this way about Adebayor in his final season.
Yes, we should get behind our team, it’s good for the fans and the players alike as it creates an enjoyable, winning atmosphere. And, provided they do their best for us, we should do our best for them – that’s how a club works.
Branding someone a criminal because they don’t get 100% behind a player without question is foolish though. If Adebayor (I’ll keep using this example because it’s most appropriate) flirts with other clubs and then slouches around the pitch during matches like he doesn’t care, should I support him ‘absolutely’ to avoid being thought a ‘criminal’?
By: Dan on November 11, 2009
at 9:15 am
Arsenal in-stadium support is the worst in the Premiership.
By: Frank on November 11, 2009
at 9:15 am
There is a core of great support but it has been diluted by lazy, greedy, conceited, whinging, bloated no marks.
By: Frank on November 11, 2009
at 9:17 am
Away suport however I think is the best in the league.
By: Maria on November 11, 2009
at 9:20 am
Get a life Dan.
By: Maria on November 11, 2009
at 9:21 am
Oh well thatnks PerryG.
By: Maria on November 11, 2009
at 9:21 am
Perhaps, Maria, but I have never forgiven those who booed Alex Song at Fulham a couple of years ago.
By: Frank on November 11, 2009
at 9:22 am
Me neither, Frank.
I was just wondering how your evening of romance went.
“lower orders” made me laugh.
By: perrygroves on November 11, 2009
at 9:24 am
What I love about this clip is Cloughie sitting in his sweaty jumper not giving a toss about the camera in front of him, He makes Mourino sound like a lost tourist from Portugal.
He insisted the league title is far more inportant than the european cup
By: 1 loose cannon on November 11, 2009
at 9:25 am
17 years old and being booed by your own fans. Song’s strength of character must never be understimated imo. While he may not be the loudest Song has a wonderful inner confidence hich i for one admire.
Also from what I have seen and heard Song has been at the butt of many jokes amongst the squad aswell but no more.
By: Maria on November 11, 2009
at 9:27 am
“The Special” has been shown to be unable to nature young talent yet again. Even after years at in England of claiming what Arsene did was a walk in the park. Rating a young player in public in ol’ red noe knows better than that.
By: Maria on November 11, 2009
at 9:30 am
I am not one for kissing and telling, perrygroves., but I would not be exaggerating if I told you that the lady asked me to put Lady Neena’s blinkers on………oh dear sorry I mean onto Lady Neena…you know for privacy not for…well…you know what I mean.
By: Frank on November 11, 2009
at 9:31 am
I agree about Alex Song, Maria. Fucking hero.
By: Frank on November 11, 2009
at 9:33 am
Good post as usual Darius.
When we are scoring more than we concede, it means that “nothing is broken and nothing needs fixing”. Sure, we can improve, but focussing on defence and not giving away goals is to bark up the wrong tree. The only time when a team does that is when it needs to reverse a losing trend by first not losing, achieve stability and then go on an unbeaten run and return to winning games. We did that last season after losing 5 out of first 14 games. This season is different. There is balance and the offensive side of our game is doing great. We just need to keep going, keep working for each other and enjoy our game.
It also struck me when watching Liverpool v Birmingham how static other teams look as compared to Arsenal. Our pass and move wengerball is a sight to behold. The player on the ball has many options when team mates make runs or move into position to receive a pass. Our pacy passing, when it come off, just slice through the opponent’s defence. It’s pure poetry in motion.
By: Luke on November 11, 2009
at 9:34 am
Had her family always loved Arsenal?
….. and as for the sheepskin nose-band.
By: perrygroves on November 11, 2009
at 9:37 am
Her grandfather came over from Ireland and was the foreman on the St John’s College of Divinity playing fields clearance.
By: Frank on November 11, 2009
at 9:42 am
Her grandmother was a gypsy who occasionally sold heather on Upper Street.
By: Frank on November 11, 2009
at 9:45 am
Nice post Darius.
Re. ‘determination, commitment and passion’ ‘used as an excuse and substitute for not being able to play entertaining football.’
- I do know what you mean, but at the same time, for me, these qualitites are themselves vital components of entertaining football and this Arsenal team are displaying them in shedloads.
It’s also playing in a league that values these things so highly that forces us to be faster, stronger and more creative.
By: LimparAssist on November 11, 2009
at 9:52 am
And f*ck the F*ck off, bobbygee. Your nonsensical blather about cats is becoming embarrassing.
By: LimparAssist on November 11, 2009
at 9:55 am
Top post!
I would suggest that there appear to be a number of arsenal blogs/fans that claim to be supporters but are actually just fans of AFC.
Fan – an enthusiast
Supporter – a person who backs a sports team
The difference may be small but the actions of certain individuals/blogs in slating players they do not like underlines it.
By: dg on November 11, 2009
at 9:56 am
Her other grandparents were chocolatiers in Paris during WWII.
By: Frank on November 11, 2009
at 9:56 am
Limpar assist. I do see where your coming from.
I concur that these qualities are complimentary to the ability to play entertaining football, but should not be used as a substitute. There’s a subtle difference – for example, an intelligent player who knows how to read the game and make interceptions leading to scintilating attacks rarely has to break sweat, yet you often see an alternative of leg crunching, blood spattering tackles hailed as the stuff real men are made of.
By: Darius Stone on November 11, 2009
at 9:59 am
I found the chocolate connection irresistible….chocolate and Arsenal are two my great passions.
By: Frank on November 11, 2009
at 10:02 am
Darius, the most important sentence in your post . . . .
“The more games we play, the better the team will get.”
If this is the case, and I believe it is, the team who finish above us will win the league!!!
By: JD Gooner on November 11, 2009
at 10:05 am
I suppose Nick Hornby’s take on fans and trophies is something we can agree with.
http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/29690/Hornby_If_you_dont_like_Wengers_Arsenal_you_cant_really_like_football_much.aspx
By: Luke on November 11, 2009
at 10:10 am
Excellent article and very apt, thanks for a great read. Home support is poor, I wish there was an easy answer to make it better but i guess its just down to each individual to take responsibility. As for supporting the team and players in general i’m afraid my weakness is that my love for AFC is unconditional. Glen Helder, Nelson Vivas, Gilles Grimandi, Igor Stepanovs etc etc, I loved them all. Does that make me a bad person, I even supported Ade until his departure was announced. I can’t say why except to say that if they played well, then we won.
By: Matty Boy on November 11, 2009
at 10:15 am
Maria
Any idea where i can watch MOTD online so i can ave a good luagh too??
Not watching online but you can get them HERE
By: Asianfansince97 on November 11, 2009
at 10:15 am
Nick Hornby is an enterprising young man, and I am pleased he is airing his opinions of our appalling support. Somebody needs to shove a rocket up the arses of some of our in-stadium ’supporters’.
By: Frank on November 11, 2009
at 10:16 am
Maria try this for MoTD.
http://www.myp2pforum.eu/live-tv/41045-british-tv.html
By: Dupsffokcuf on November 11, 2009
at 10:27 am
Making chocolate during WW2 must have been hard.
By: perrygroves on November 11, 2009
at 10:47 am
PG
If Baldrick used dandruff for Sugar and mud for coffee in WWI, I dread to think what would have passed for chocolate.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on November 11, 2009
at 10:56 am
JD gooner in your case I guess no one will win the league (perhaps the Apocalypse will end the league prematurely) ..
Darius well written article I’m sure you enjoyed writing it as much as I did reading it..
Your points about Re. ‘determination, commitment and passion’ are all qualities our players show constantly…
It would have been clearer to some had you used terms like” bottle, grit, fire ,fight aggression, getting stuckin grasping the metal ect”..
The subtle difference being similar to what dg showed between a fan and supporter..
UP THE ARSE
By: Kitchen Sink on November 11, 2009
at 10:58 am
Maria: ‘Get a life Dan.’
Haha, am I meant to be some sort of loser because I disagree that it’s criminal to not be 100% behind every player the moment they put on an Arsenal shirt?
Maybe you should take a minute to think about how ignorant that makes you sound – your argument about players getting abused by fans is to abuse another fan.
Top marks for intelligence.
By: Dan on November 11, 2009
at 11:00 am
The HIGHLIGHT for me on today’s post is the LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS.
This needs great emphasis more regularly, as indicated on by comment yesterday.
Happy Gunnering
By: SimbArsenal on November 11, 2009
at 11:03 am
Kitchen sink. Thanks for your contribution and glad you enjoyed reading. The debate feels much better just by you presenting the case in an alternative way. I’m pleased you got what I was trying to articulate.
By: Darius Stone on November 11, 2009
at 11:04 am
lol, YW
By: perrygroves on November 11, 2009
at 11:05 am
Maria….
Google : arsenalist
That the best site for all the goals and highlights
Claptongoon
By: claptongoon on November 11, 2009
at 11:23 am
Baldrick’s milk source was also quite interesting I seem to remember, YW.
Pg, the chocolate trade continued unabated in Paris during WW2, even though the nationality of some of the customers changed. There was also a thriving black market in the stuff. As long as there is a human being alive on this planet there will be chocolate. Chocolate receptors in our brains are adjacent to neural centres responsible for sexual experience and the two often get confused.
By: Frank on November 11, 2009
at 11:34 am
mars bars will never taste the same again!!
By: JD Gooner on November 11, 2009
at 11:38 am
I have to say that that story was always a bit crude, JD Gooner, typical English journalistic rubbish. There is scope to be far more imaginative on the sex and chocolate front than shoving a chocolate bar up a woman’s fanny….and for you guys in America we are not talking arse here.
By: Frank on November 11, 2009
at 11:45 am
…sorry I mean ass
By: Frank on November 11, 2009
at 11:46 am
“However, it is unacceptable for Arsenal fans to constantly slate individual players or the team.”
Amen to that YW. excellent article
By: daokta on November 11, 2009
at 11:54 am
daokta
Whilst your plaudits are appreciated, they should be directed to Darius who authored the article.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on November 11, 2009
at 11:57 am
@ Frank
I am not a guy and I am not from America.
By: JD Gooner on November 11, 2009
at 12:12 pm
Great article Darius. I’ve never visited your blog before, but from today I’m a fan! I’d like to ask my fellow Gooners which eleven do you think is our very best? With everybody fit, who would you pick? Personally I’d go with:
Almunia;
Sagna, Gallas, Vermaelen, Clichy;
Fabregas, Song, Denilson;
Rosicky, van Persie, Arshavin;
I’d just like to add that I was drawing up Arsenal teams a few days ago, and I came up with THREE teams who could probably beat most teams in the Prem. Arsenal don’t have depth? Yeah right!
VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
By: Larry Mbaco on November 11, 2009
at 12:14 pm
I wonder if 80% of women like to have their mars bars peeled first.
By: Poliziano on November 11, 2009
at 12:16 pm
Sorry, JD Gooner, but I did not refer to you as a guy or an American.
By: Frank on November 11, 2009
at 12:25 pm
But I did neglect to add…well…hellooo, JD Gooner, and how are you today. Normally I only speak to Passenal that way.
By: Frank on November 11, 2009
at 12:27 pm
great piece guy,pls keep it up. i wonder why some fans behave this way, why cant they just sit somewhere and search for another club like spurs afterall they have not gone 4yrs without a trophy since they won the carling cup in 2007 or ac milan that has won the ucl before but havs never lived up to that billing again.take it or leave it we have the best team in the world and also the best manager.gooner til i breathe no more
By: abiolality on November 11, 2009
at 12:39 pm
great piece guy,pls keep it up. i wonder why some fans behave this way, why cant they just sit somewhere and search for another club like spurs afterall they have not gone 4yrs without a trophy since they won the carling cup in 2007 or ac milan that has won the ucl before but havs never lived up to that billing again.take it or leave it we have the best team in the world and also the best manager.gooner til i breathe no more.luv all gooner faithfuls.
By: abiolality on November 11, 2009
at 12:45 pm
Don’t just wonder, Pz, get out there and do the research.
By: Frank on November 11, 2009
at 12:50 pm
any chance of banning the international football in public places?
internationals kills
By: santino on November 11, 2009
at 12:59 pm
This ladies chocolatier family are going to be very useful to me I reckon. I met her when we had a meeting about chocolate legs. Her family are going to supply me with five thousand RvP chocolate legs for the stall in the run up to Christmas..nicely done out in red and white silver foil….little loops for hanging on the tree. Plain, milk and white. I reckon they will do well.
….Arsenal…
By: Frank on November 11, 2009
at 1:07 pm
people should be prepared to meet the disaster by stoking arsenal dvds and tapes
Get a regular seasonal spuds supporter. It might not help against this specific strain, but it won’t hurt.
drink frequently with soda and hot running water. If hot water is not available, use an alcohol-based gel.
By: santino on November 11, 2009
at 1:12 pm
I’d buy one Frank.
By: perrygroves on November 11, 2009
at 1:16 pm
i just heard that France coach Domenech publicly proposed to his girlfriend on French television just moments after his side had exited Euro 2008 at the first hurdle with a 2-0 defeat by Italy. Bloody internationals ruined another girls life.
By: santino on November 11, 2009
at 1:25 pm
Fastest ever goal recorded in football
Come on Arsene, getcha money out and buy this guy. Plus the goalkeeper ‘cos he looks a lot better than anything we’ve got…
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on November 11, 2009
at 1:28 pm
Was that Pepe Reina in goal?
By: perrygroves on November 11, 2009
at 1:31 pm
mark hughes already reached an agreement with him.
By: santino on November 11, 2009
at 1:31 pm
Okay, I’ve just done a quick survey of 20 women, although none of them were American. 10 walked away without answering. Nine said they doubted anyone would do such a thing, although one of them thought such behaviour might occur in Paris. The twentieth said she had never done anything like that herself, but she thought an unpeeled Mars bar would be preferable. “It would be easier to…you know…”
By: Poliziano on November 11, 2009
at 1:55 pm
RVP says…..
“I desperately want to win the Premier League and the Champions League with Arsenal and I truly believe that’s possible.
“But… I get the chance to play with the likes of Fabregas, Arshavin, Eduardo, Walcott, Nasri and Rosicky – great players who play a beautiful game.
“Then I watch some teams on TV and think: ‘Oh my God, this is so ugly!’
“That helps me realise how special it is to be at a club like this. I want to win it all with Arsenal.”
By: arsenalkabisa on November 11, 2009
at 1:58 pm
Well done, Darius. Great article.
***
@ Matty Boy
Great comment. That’s the underlying rationale for supporting your team in a nutshell!
By: FunGunner on November 11, 2009
at 2:00 pm
Great article Darius. I am going to print it and give it to my mates who keep slating some of our players.Maybe hearing it from someone else will make them stop.
Dan i think this statement “…..this is criminal.’ was meant to drive the point home.
By: Firstlady on November 11, 2009
at 2:06 pm
Well done, PZ, that’s what I like to see…empirical evidence. You are a credit to science,sir.
By: Frank on November 11, 2009
at 2:31 pm
..I should add that this is the best Arsenal squad I have ever seen.
By: Frank on November 11, 2009
at 2:36 pm
Hats off to Lady Nina….
http://premierleagueinsider.com/arsenal/blog/2009/11/11/the-future-ownership-of-arsenal/
By: Frank on November 11, 2009
at 2:43 pm
Firstlady. Hope the article helps.
I think it’s fair to say that a section of our fan base can’t differentiate between the need and time for encouragement and support especially in the stadium, and the concept of balanced constructive criticism that fosters improvement. I wouldn’t put it past some of these slating fans to constantly slag off their kids during a critical stage of the childs development, rather than deal with their own unrealistic expectations of how quickly their child can do things their way.
By: Darius Stone on November 11, 2009
at 2:52 pm
Larry Mbaco,
In my estimation our best 11 players (best in each position) are:
Arshavin RVP Rosicky
Diaby Denilson Cesc
Clichy Vermaelen Gallas Sagna
Almunia
But which starting 11 plays will depend on form, and the particular match.
By: Ole Gunner on November 11, 2009
at 2:57 pm
Articles such as this do help, Darius. But we have been fighting this fucking war on-line for about three years now. The in-stadium support is now worse than it has ever been….
…..Arsenal….
By: Frank on November 11, 2009
at 3:00 pm
One can only conclude that a large proportion of Arsenal matchday supporters are ‘I know best, can’t really be bothered, rich, bastards’.
By: Frank on November 11, 2009
at 3:07 pm
Super Anders Limpar made it into a top scorers table! Why didn’t anyone tell me about this?
AFTER 11 GAMES Season Goals
Top scorer % of goals scored by top scorer
2009/10 36 R van Persie (7) 19.4
2003/04 23 T Henry (9) 39.1
2001/02 24 T Henry (8) 33.3
1997/98 27 D Bergkamp (10) 37.0
1990/91 20 A Limpar (7) 35.0
1988/89 27 A Smith (12) 44.4
1970/71 22 R Kennedy (7) 31.8
1934/35 35 E Drake (15) 42.9
1933/34 22 C Bastin, E Bowden (5) 22.7
1932/33 28 E Coleman (10) 35.7
1930/31 33 J Lambert (16) 48.5
7 in 11! He was on fucking fire!
Of course were there a table of ‘Assists per game’, Limps would be right up there at the very top.
Thanks for that shareholders article Frank. I feel a little more clued up now.
By: LimparAssist on November 11, 2009
at 3:23 pm
The thought of Anders in a Wenger team has given me goose bumps for years
By: Mean Lean on November 11, 2009
at 3:34 pm
It’s all very exciting in the young ‘uns squads right now too.
In January, “FC Zürich’s Switzerland Under 16’s captain Martin Angha… a pacy 6 foot 1 inch centre half… a life-long Gooner” will be joining.
“A defender who loves to play beautiful football but who is not afraid to get stuck in and perform the ‘dirty work’.”
Let me say that again:
A pacy… 6 foot 1 inch… life-long Gooner!
Excellent.
And, 6″1 – under-16? I don’t know how tall I was at 15 but it wasn’t as tall as I was at 18 and that wasn’t as tall as I was at 20.
So he’s all set to become some sort of giant, beautiful-football-playing, hard-tackling life-long gooner. Probably to be mentored by the best centreback in the world right now – Tommy Vermaelen. Excellent, just excellent.
By: LimparAssist on November 11, 2009
at 3:38 pm
Me too Mean Lean, me too.
By: LimparAssist on November 11, 2009
at 3:38 pm
Great post, Darius.
This place is THEE bastion for true Arsenal supporters.
Long live YW! Long live Darius Stone! Long live Arsene Wenger!
Death to Le Grove and the rest of the newspaper supporters!
By: Nasir Jones-Nasri on November 11, 2009
at 3:43 pm
LA do you remember one outside of the left foot pass to Duncan Ferguson when he played for Everton? Just amazing
By: Mean Lean on November 11, 2009
at 3:44 pm
Oh and yes fantastic piece Darius. I read it this morning and was nodding through it all.
By: Mean Lean on November 11, 2009
at 3:46 pm
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By: Gunner4Ever on November 11, 2009
at 3:54 pm
Super Anders Limpar made it into a top scorers table! Why didn’t anyone tell me about this?
But we assumed you would know, Limpar…
By: FunGunner on November 11, 2009
at 4:05 pm
international breaks are like ex-wives : Always annoying, and overy other few weeks conjure up something else to depress you
By: zaparodje on November 11, 2009
at 4:11 pm
Mean Lean, he was always a big fan of outside of the boot stuff – one of the first players I saw doing that regularly. He could weight a ball so perfectly. Wonderful player, got me into football; along with Merse and Rocky. I remember him totally terrorizing Utd in the Cup Final with Everton.
FG, well it’s ok now because I’ve found out. But any future Limpar stories, including news on The Anders LimpBar in Stockholm, please don’t hesitate to flag them up
By: LimparAssist on November 11, 2009
at 4:15 pm
c’mooooon international break, hurry up and endddd
By: zaparodje on November 11, 2009
at 4:25 pm
Once again, excellent work Darius.
Clear-sighted analysis…precious commodity – thanks.
As Frank has noted the battle against our own fans has been going on for quite some time now…and then it hit me. That is exactly the problem – fans.
Maybe this is semantics, but…
I don’t support Arsenal when / if / because we have / do / will win games or trophies. I support Arsenal simply because I can’t imagine anything else. I get frustruated with players, we all do…but in the end we have the luxury of supporting a team that has won in recent memory. There are many teams out there who never have won…and never will.
If I have any problem with your article Darius…it’s that you didn’t go far enough. Constructive criticism is one thing, but to the doom and gloomers…you ungrateful bastards. How dare you. Wenger and the Arsenal have brought you the impossible. Trophies. The Double. The Invincibles…that there is bragging rights FOREVER…and your response?
“What have you done for me lately?”
Some of us would rather you shut the f!!ck up and enjoy the treats you’ve been given. If you can’t find it in you to sing the team on even when we are playing the best football in Europe, (let alone when we are playing poorly,) at least have the integrity to keep your pessimism to yourselves.
By: axis on November 11, 2009
at 4:55 pm
Well said, axis.
By: LimparAssist on November 11, 2009
at 4:59 pm
Sounds like a call for the Arsenalisation of the message boards.
A rush and a push and the land is ours.
By: Gogsy on November 11, 2009
at 5:09 pm
very true axis
By: zaparodje on November 11, 2009
at 5:14 pm
Axis and Limpar Assist.
I’m not averse to unleashing a tirade on fickle, glory hunting ‘Jonny come lately’ punks who call themselves Arsenal fans. I know it’s been a big fight in recent years and feel sad that such folks stream out of the stadium long before the end of the match.
If I were a player, I’d be mortified at the sight of thousands of fans streaming out before the end of the game, regardless of whether we were 6 nil up or 1 nil down.
As a guest poster, I have to bear in mind that article size and readability is an editorial consideration when trying to balance the needs of the thousands of ardent daily ACLF readers and subscribers around the world. I would hope that you’ve highlighted the issue further with your comments, and those concerned may take it on board.
I’ll certainly continue to highlight the issue of the negativity of some fans on my own blog, and I hope that YW and other true Arsenalist bloggers do the same.
By: Darius Stone on November 11, 2009
at 5:22 pm
Why is everyone’s excuse ”to avoid the traffic” ok, so you would rather exit to avoid traffic which will most probably be there anyway since almost half the stadium is empty 10 mins from time than watch your team.
By: zaparodje on November 11, 2009
at 5:28 pm
What would most mortify me is slating players who give their best, or audibly showing displeasure at players at games. If I were a player that is.
By: Ole Gunner on November 11, 2009
at 5:29 pm
Excellent, Darius.
That’s where we are. That’s what we believe.
We are The Arsenal.
By: consolsbob on November 11, 2009
at 5:33 pm
The video posted at %.54 am with Motson interviewong Clough is brilliant!
And most of what Cloughie says is very very true today!
By: Spike on November 11, 2009
at 5:33 pm
Frank makes a good point:
“Articles such as this do help, Darius. But we have been fighting this fucking war on-line for about three years now. The in-stadium support is now worse than it has ever been….”
The internet is really a passive, secondary instrument. I recall that it took the march in support of Wenger at the last home-game last season to shut up the boo-ers. It takes one-on-one combat. But the instant gratification mentality is deeply embedded and reinforced by the mass media. For example ACLF averages 200 posters but the consistently negative, whining, whingeing L/G averages double that. No matter how xenophobic are their posts 50% of the posters are from Africa and Asia.
Regardless, excellent work D.S.
By: shotta-gunna on November 11, 2009
at 6:08 pm
http://www.islingtongazette.co.uk/content/Islington/gazette/Arsenal/story.aspx?brand=ISLGOnline&category=ArsenalNews&tBrand=ISLGOnline&tCategory=defaultArsenal&itemid=WeED11+Nov+2009+17%3A13%3A41%3A847
More info about Eduardo’s message on his shirt on Saturday
By: Passenal on November 11, 2009
at 6:27 pm
P.S. I agree with Frank at 2.36 pm
By: Passenal on November 11, 2009
at 6:28 pm
Shotta my friend. Great points there and I’m always encouraged each and every time Frank sets out his stall on the issue of the negative behaviour of some fans.
It’s famously said that for evil to succeed, all it takes is for good men to do nothing (forgive me if I’ve paraphrased). That’s why I feel that regardless of the negative sentiments up here in the blogosphere, it still is very important for all of us to encourage and promote good, well balanced positive blogs about Arsenal in favour of the trash that is represented by sites like LG.
To tell you the truth, I’ve only ever visited LG once and there was enough xenophobia and implied racism in a single post to last me a lifetime. I’m from an ethnic minority myself and I must say I found the site quite offensive. Needless to say, I’ll never visit the site again.
This battle is being fought from several fronts, whether it’s the players on the pitch fighting their corner, or us collectively fighting the anti-Arsenal sentiments in the media and footballing establishment, or us taking direct action against the fickle of the lot on match day at the stadium, or us fighting this corner in the blogosphere. All are important ways of showing our love and support for the Arsenal through good times and through bad times.
I always say to my fake ‘Johnny come lately’ Arsenal supporting friends that if they’re not prepared to support the Arsenal in the very unlikely event that we ever get relegated to the Vauxhall Conference (I gather its the Blue square one now), then they should never proclaim to be diehard Arsenal fans.
By: Darius Stone on November 11, 2009
at 6:34 pm
You really are a star, Passenal
It makes me want to weep when I think of the background Eduardo and some of the other players have. You would think that some of the spoiled brats in the stand would find it in themselves to turn up and stay to the end to applaud these players off.
It is a fucking disgrace.
By: Frank on November 11, 2009
at 6:37 pm
Btw, can I put you down for dozen chocolate legs, Passenal?
By: Frank on November 11, 2009
at 6:47 pm
Would the majority of our fans continue supporting us if we did a Leeds united? I think not
By: zaparodje on November 11, 2009
at 6:50 pm
It’s a very dangerous place where eddie comes from Its amazing to see how fuucking disgraceful it is of reporters and ”fans” alike to speak lowly of eddie
By: zaparodje on November 11, 2009
at 6:51 pm
Don’t fans realise Wenger’s long term plan?? Fly Emirates and the tickets as well as worldwide commitments inject a lot of money. A lot. Once the majority of our debts are paid off, regular cashflow will be running into the club like Cesc’s red and white blood cells travel through his Arsenal self, and we will be amongst the richest clubs in the world ( we already are ) but obviously were not gonna blurt out cash on players we don’t need. The youth system will pay off.
Think long term people (i’m not saying the short term’s bad though)
By: zaparodje on November 11, 2009
at 6:56 pm
T’was Edmund Burke, Darius.
“All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.”
Like most things it is not his first appearance on this site in this argument, or as it is said in Ecclesiastes,
“What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done; there is nothing new under the sun”
Er, anyway. Well said.
By: consolsbob on November 11, 2009
at 6:58 pm
its possible that in 5 years time, we shall have eliminated the need to buy anyone.
By: Aaditya on November 11, 2009
at 7:01 pm
Frank, which one’s your stall?
I might even buy a pair of RvP’s legs.
http://chocolates.tripod.com/val-leg.html
By: perrygroves on November 11, 2009
at 7:07 pm
Frank @6:37 – Hell yes!! (Not to mention the planet wide diehard supporters who will never even see a live game…)
Now that I got all that off my chest…I guess I have to admit that fans come from all corners and not all are diehard from the start…I suppose in the end we all must commit to the long road.
Hope and positivity will always be harder to maintain than pessimism and a lack of belief. It is our job to give that to our team, always.
By: axis on November 11, 2009
at 7:21 pm
By: perrygroves on November 11, 2009
at 7:27 pm
Pssenal;
Did you see the documentary on E4 last night? Was from the favela Eduardo’s message referred to… It was amazing and very sad too.
Are the FA goin to punish him for his actions?
On the atmosphere at home games, lately. I thinkthey have been better this season, so far. The fact we are doing well and scoring loads of goals has something to do with it though.
By: Spike on November 11, 2009
at 7:34 pm
It’s been a weird and wonderful day on ACLF ~ but thinking about Eduardo ( and the German GK who committed suicide) kind of wipes the smeary grin from one’s face.
Yeah, all is good at the Arsenal..but -
By: ponyboy on November 11, 2009
at 7:46 pm
Yep Frank, put me down for a dozen of those chocolate legs!
I have so much respect for our players – the one’s from tough backgrounds have worked hard to pull themselves out of some difficult circumstances which those spoilt people b*tching on the side lines couldn’t even dream of! For those young lads to leave home and family aged 15/16 to come to an unfamiliar country/culture in order to make it as a footballer takes a level of guts and determination, that belies all those unfair accusations about being soft and lacking ‘grit’. I have nothing but admiration for them.
By: Passenal on November 11, 2009
at 7:48 pm
Your sanest, or at least most understandable, comment of the year, pb.
I agree. You are right to point out that our satisfaction with all things Arsenal does not neutralise the things that are wrong with our game -or the world.
By: consolsbob on November 11, 2009
at 7:54 pm
I missed it Spike, but I will look out for a re-run.
You’re right Ponyboy – there are things more important than football, so it’s important to stop and acknowledge that.
By: Passenal on November 11, 2009
at 7:58 pm
Oh – have really put a dampener on things..
But the two people whom i trust to see life as larger than a football pitch have stood up and been counted.
No apologies, but let’s carry on with the party! (as if….)
By: ponyboy on November 11, 2009
at 8:03 pm
ffs..Yogi…please give me a smiley face !
By: ponyboy on November 11, 2009
at 8:07 pm
For anyone else who missed the documentary on the problems in the Rio Favelas, it’s available on the Channel 4 player online. I’m just watching it now.
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dancing-with-the-devil/4od#3009407
By: Passenal on November 11, 2009
at 8:30 pm
Good link about about Eduardo Passenal , not only is he the smartest striker in the league but also the strongest character in football.. Nothing any cundit or fans could say can throw him off his purpose..
Its good to have your support again Darius, the struggle continues victory is certain.. Corruption of the best is the worst..
By: Kitchen Sink on November 11, 2009
at 8:49 pm
Well, Ponyboy, I’m not Yogi, but
By: Poliziano on November 11, 2009
at 8:52 pm
John Terry’s dad has been caught selling Cocaine ahahahaha that makes his mum an M&S shoplifter and his dad a drug dealer. ahahahaha
By: zaparodje on November 11, 2009
at 9:19 pm
Spiderman (aka the Drug gang leader) of TCM – who subsequent to the movie has been murdered. Spent a lot of the film travelling around in his EPL replica football shirt….
Guess who’s shirt he was wearing……
By: jbh on November 11, 2009
at 10:07 pm
No 11…….
By: jbh on November 11, 2009
at 10:07 pm
Drogba !
By: jbh on November 11, 2009
at 10:07 pm
Denilson was brought up in similar surrounds (Favelas of Rio). Lost his mother at a very young age and was brought up by his father who thankfully kept him and his brothers away from the drugs and gang culture.
Eduardo and Denilson are close friends.
By: jbh on November 11, 2009
at 10:12 pm
No 11…. Drogba !
By: jbh on November 11, 2009
at 10:14 pm
Jbh you know dis.. Denilson is a one man wrecking crew…
By: Kitchen Sink on November 11, 2009
at 10:18 pm
By: Gunner4Ever on November 11, 2009
at 10:24 pm
I hear that Denilson is back in full training from next Monday. I’d expect him and Song to play the tough fixtures and then rotate for the easier matches.
By: jbh on November 11, 2009
at 10:26 pm
That was interesting to see Spiderman in the Drogba shirt jbh. chelski supporters = Gangsters!
Unfortunately it seems that the death of Spiderman has seen the breakdown of the peace negotiated by Pastor John and hence the violence in Vila Kennedy.
By: Passenal on November 11, 2009
at 10:48 pm
Yes Passenal would have been a bit upsetting were he to be going around in a Cesc or Wilshere shirt….
By: jbh on November 11, 2009
at 10:53 pm
He was most appropriately retired, I was worried that we might see one of them in an Arsenal shirt, but they could not have found a more fitting shirt to wear – I also spotted a Lampard shirt on one of the gangsters!
By: Passenal on November 11, 2009
at 10:55 pm
Retired? I meant attired! It’s late!
By: Passenal on November 11, 2009
at 10:56 pm
KS, “cundit”, I like it. Almost Joycean.
Thanks for the backstory on Super Neves, jbh and Passenal. Very interesting. Will have to watch that documentary at some point. Cheers.
By: LimparAssist on November 11, 2009
at 11:05 pm
Looks like all the Sth American gooners (Edu, Denilson, Vela) came from the wrong side of the tracks. Would be interesting to note how many others in the team started life in such tough surroundings.
Diaby (tough suburb of Paris)
Eboue?
By: jbh on November 11, 2009
at 11:11 pm
Nasri grew up in the less than salubrious parts of Marseille as well
By: Passenal on November 11, 2009
at 11:16 pm
Yes Passenal quite a few of our player started their trade on the streets (literally) before rising to the luscious green pastures of Wengerdom..
By: Kitchen Sink on November 11, 2009
at 11:26 pm
By: Kitchen Sink on November 11, 2009
at 11:59 pm
wierd to think he’d be smashing em in against united 9 years later for the arsenal
By: deano on November 12, 2009
at 12:08 am
well written yogi, a bloody ripper!
By: Evo in Oz on November 12, 2009
at 12:19 am
@jbh
You can add RVP to your list, too. I think he spoke in a recent interview about how he had to make some tough decisions in his childhood but he ultimately made the right ones..
By: EvilFiek on November 12, 2009
at 3:43 am
By the way Darius, congratulations on winning some American Country music award….
By: MDGunner on November 12, 2009
at 5:40 am
Edwardo is such an inspiration.
Some of these offenders have been arsenal fans for more than 20 yrs. I think they have been too spoilt in the recent past hence their current impatience and dissatisfaction with our players and luck of trophies.
A case of becoming too used to carvier they are finding it hard to back to mashed PS as Wenger once put it.
By: Firstlady on November 12, 2009
at 6:06 am
Firstlady. If these folks constantly slating the team have been fans for over 20 years, then they truly should be ashamed of themselves. For one, we had a trophy drought for at least 14 of those 20 years and this is a fact they should have got used to. In fact, before Wenger landed at Highbury, the notion that Arsenal could play total football was in itself laughable, but we had our own brand of ‘1 nil to the Arsenal’ defined as Boring Boring Arsenal.
In recent times, we’ve gone longer than 4 years without a trophy.
By: Darius Stone on November 12, 2009
at 7:08 am
Wow! this Clough interview is the best. I wish there was another brave manager in these current times to shame the pundits and some of these so called bloggers.
By: Firstlady on November 12, 2009
at 7:11 am
Darius so very true.
It’s been four years but so what?? I hope this is the year we end the trophy drought but if we dont win anything (if being the key word coz i truly believe this is the year we reap from all the hard work and youth development) it won’t make me less of a gunner, as long as we keep playing entertaining football and uphold our club values.
If it was all about winning trophies then the only clubs in the recent past that would have supporters are very few.
I am blessed to be a GUNNER!
By: Firstlady on November 12, 2009
at 7:25 am
With a drug-dealer for a father and a thief for a mother, I suppose you’d have to infer that John Terry didn’t grow up in the most salubrious area of England.
The journalists at The Sun are repulsive. They set up John Terry’s father just because they thought embarrassing a celebrity would sell their disgusting newspaper. However much you might hate Terry, it’s The Sun that is the villain of this piece.
By: Poliziano on November 12, 2009
at 9:16 am
[...] I wrote a guest post on A Cultured Left Foot about The state of the Arsenal so far this [...]
By: STONE COLD ARSENAL » Blog Archive » A lesson for football punditry on November 12, 2009
at 9:30 am
LOL YW.
Sort out your trackbacks.
By: Darius Stone on November 12, 2009
at 9:32 am
Bob @ 6.58pm
Wasn’t that Gene Clark?
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on November 12, 2009
at 9:57 am
My take on the takeover issue:
I don’t have more info than the next person, so I don’t even have much to build speculations on.
From my experience though, Kroenke seems to be making a blocking move. Buy as much of the company as possible without having to take it over, but virtually ensuring that the other party can take over the club.
Over 50% of the club is now in the control of Kroenke, Fiszman, other board members & the AST.
It seems extremely unlikely that Usmanov would find a path to taking over the club, should he even find way to convince Nina Bracewell-Smith to sell out.
Why is it necessary to block Usmnov? Afterall, even if Usmanov made a takeover bid, nobody actually has to sell to him?
The answer is that he could get enough votes to change the constitution of the Arsenal board.
Kroenke looks like a conventional billionaire. That means he made his money in the birck-and-mortar world, unlike the Abramovichs or Oil Sheiks. The other type of billionaire made money off nothing, and would therefore think less keenly or incisively about the fundamentals of the business they’re getting into.
For a conventional billionaire, it’s very much about preserving your wealth.
It is easy to understand, from the way Kroenke’s other sports buinesses are run, that he knows that the only way an owner makes money from a football club is through capital gains, i.e. through a steady long term increase in the value of the club.
If the owner started taking dividends, there will be a shortfall on investment in the club, and valuation would fall. At the present, the economics of football dictates that you simply can’t make enough profit short-term, to make money from a short-term strategy based on taking dividends.
The galactico model doesn’t work either contrary to what so many in football practice. Real Madrid grew revenue dramatically, and the value of the club has grown, but they’re not a shareholder owned company, and if they were, the ballooning of their debt would have seriously hampered the club’s value.
Arsenal’s model is tasty. It’s essentially a bet on the underlying value of the Stadium, which will grow as a competitive footballing strategy generates enough cash to pay of the debt used to acquire the stadium. Arsenal understand that the key to commercial success in football is to compete at the top. Football is not winners take all, even if every club has to win often enough to remain a part of the top few oligarchs who’re first to feed at the football trough.
Arsenal’s approach would seem, on face value, to gel very well with Kroenke’s ethos. Keep the football competitive, be aggressive with commercial expansion, maintain a strong brand, don’t take on debt that’s not tied to long-term assets, ensure you generate a profit, and reinvest profits.
In 10 years, Arsenal’s value would have grown steadily. So, whatever shares Kroenke or anyone bought would more than retain it’s value, but grow at a steady rate.
A proper billionaire who’s worth £3 Billion doesn’t want to put a sixth of his worth at risk. If he invests £500M on Arsenal shares, he wants it to be worth £500M.
Except if he thought he could buy the club, saveguard it’s value, start an auction for the club, and make a sharp exit.
But I am sure he would have noted how hard it is to exit profitably from a football club, watching Gillet & Hicks bumble about, and watching the Glazers.
If my reading is correct, the one threat in his universe is Usmanov who doesn’t fit with the Arsenal ethos. If he wants to maintain the value of his 29.9% shareholding, he very certainly doesn’t want Usmanov riding in, taking dividends (like he wanted to do), and turning Arsenal into a loss maker.
The solution then? Block Usmanov.
I am not sure of any of this. The part of the analysis I’m most sure of is that the only sure, tested way to make money from a football club is by increasing the value of the club. Galactico models (Chelski’s worth half of Arsenal), dividend-taking models, do not increase the value of a club.
Cheers guys!
By: Ole Gunner on November 12, 2009
at 10:11 am
Something similar Yogi, just a bit more tuneful – and less threatening!
By: consolsbob on November 12, 2009
at 10:47 am
I agree with your point about clean sheets.
Football has moved on a great deal over the last 10 years and you see that teams who attack well but can’t defend (e.g. Real Madrid) are not really prospering.
Can Arsenal break 100 league goal barrier?
By: The Binocular on November 12, 2009
at 12:17 pm
your Binocular isnt working.
By: santino on November 12, 2009
at 12:32 pm
No-one is more tuneful than Gene Clark.
By: Frank on November 12, 2009
at 12:47 pm
By far and away the most talented Byrd.
By: Frank on November 12, 2009
at 12:48 pm
but there is two sides to every story
By: santino on November 12, 2009
at 12:49 pm
The Binocular,
Football hasn’t changed much. Barcelona & Real Madrid concede a whole lot, but that doesn’t prevent them from winning trophies galore.
By: Ole Gunner on November 12, 2009
at 12:52 pm
are
By: Frank on November 12, 2009
at 12:52 pm
but its a single album i think
By: santino on November 12, 2009
at 12:54 pm
Inter Milan have conceded an average of about 30 goals in the last 4 seasons they’ve won their league.
By: Ole Gunner on November 12, 2009
at 12:54 pm
Sure you don’t mean no other
By: Frank on November 12, 2009
at 12:58 pm
Does England want the Old Firm?
By: santino on November 12, 2009
at 1:00 pm
my home run king
By: santino on November 12, 2009
at 1:01 pm
roadmaster is best…the dutch are very fond of Gene Clark
By: Frank on November 12, 2009
at 1:06 pm
no
By: Frank on November 12, 2009
at 1:07 pm
you were a hipster back then ?
By: santino on November 12, 2009
at 1:10 pm
Looks like November isn’t just a bad month for Arsenal.
Chelsea are picking up injuries like a nonsense. Cashley, Basingwa and Lampard are now all out with injury and might not make the Arsenal game. Drogba has to get Johnny Evans studs yanked from his chest.
By: Darius Stone on November 12, 2009
at 1:11 pm
Fortunately Chelsea have an extended backroom staff and first team squad, chockfull of prize-winning yankers.
By: LimparAssist on November 12, 2009
at 1:14 pm
I was a keen follower of a number of popular beat combos
By: Frank on November 12, 2009
at 1:15 pm
Fat Frank just has a weight problem. Drogba is the new jesus , rose from the dead on Sunday.
By: santino on November 12, 2009
at 1:15 pm
Carlito to sign new long-term contract.
http://youngguns.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/carlos-vela-agrees-terms-on-new-arsenal-contract/
By: LimparAssist on November 12, 2009
at 1:16 pm
Chelski are just taking out insurance in case of injury during international two weeks. Miraculous recovery to several of those players is my bet.
By: Frank on November 12, 2009
at 1:18 pm
Apparently, Drogba’s wife had sent in the life insurance claims seing his body wracked by convulsions, as death drew him ever closer.
And then he rose again.
Mrs. Drogba is currently very embarrased. As is his 8 year old boy.
By: Ole Gunner on November 12, 2009
at 1:21 pm
Limpar awesome best news of the day… VELA VELA VELA VELA VELA VELA VELA VELA VELA VELA VELA VELA !!
By: Kitchen Sink on November 12, 2009
at 1:23 pm
thats divine intervention. Dont you see the light flashing ?
By: santino on November 12, 2009
at 1:23 pm
If you mock miracles, santino, they wouldn’t happen to you. Be careful!!
By: Ole Gunner on November 12, 2009
at 1:26 pm
apparently the insurance guy suing the god for that.
By: santino on November 12, 2009
at 1:28 pm
God claims it was an “act of God”, and looks likely to get off on the infamous force majeur principle.
By: Ole Gunner on November 12, 2009
at 1:33 pm
Why would anyone complain that a team like Man poo gets £52M in TV money compared to £32M for West Brom which gets the least? That seems generous to West Brom.
Not many people around the world are tuning in to watch West Brom, unfortunately.
http://u.nu/65bu3
By: Ole Gunner on November 12, 2009
at 1:39 pm
I wouldn’t bet against you there Frank.
By: LimparAssist on November 12, 2009
at 1:57 pm
You know football and money starts getting ridiculous when West Ham value Carlton Cole at £20 million.
…And many people wonder why top managers prefer to buy better value players from abroad. The suggestion that Cole is even a better player than Nasri who cost far less is laughable if not insulting.
By: Darius Stone on November 12, 2009
at 2:05 pm
for many arsenal fans wining is everything. They dont care about beautiful football or strong characeters. All they care about are big signings and silverware. Now a true arsenal fan would apreaciate the beauty of our team and really enjoy the entertainment they provide and also back them 100%
What pisses me most off is how they treat Diaby. Its not like Wenger is going to think ” oh all the expert fans are probably right, i will axe Diaby and play someone els” No that is not how it works. THe only thing you accomplish by moanig is to give him less selfesteem so he probably plays worse and how on earth does that help us????
We have already established the fact Wenger wont axe him from the team, so really by booing him YOU are big part of the reason why we sometimes loose. Damn you worthless scum of supporters.
I wish you could go support someone els.
By: bb on November 12, 2009
at 11:43 pm
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at 12:05 am
bb – exactly – we want substance, not style. A win is a win, whether we win ugly or dance all day. You tell em bb!
By: soccer jersey fan on November 13, 2009
at 6:30 pm