Arshavin Brings Greeks To Heel

UEFA Champions League Matchday 2, Group H
Arsenal 2 – 0 Olympiacos

1 – 0 Van Persie (78)
2 – 0 Arshavin (86)

It had the makings of ‘one of those nights‘; total domination, stubborn resistance, chances aplenty and no goals. Two late goals meant that the possession, passing and creative flair earned its due reward.

The lateness of the goals is being used as a stick with which to beat the team, suggestions being made that it shows a lack of killer instinct. Such mental processes are complete crap. Obdurate defending is never broken early – it would not be stubborn otherwise. The frustration of the Arsenal attack by Nikopolidis bore a more than passing resemblance to the display of Vito Mannone at Craven Cottage on Saturday.

Eboue and Rosicky were drafted in, the former putting on a splendid display of the right back’s craft, attacking with verve and defending resolutely. It was a throwback to the 2006 style. Is it enough to displace Sagna on a regular basis? That is extremely doubtful given the Frenchman’s consistency but nonetheless, a solid reminder that there is more than adequate cover defensively on the right.

The chances littered the North London night like papers wafting down the tube line. The Greek defence was bisected time and again as Arshavin, van Persie, Rosicky and a whole cast of characters were denied by an outstanding goalkeeping display. Fabregas did beat Nikopolidis only for the woodwork to deny the breaking of the deadlock.

The new formation employed this season encourages attacking football, the passing between the Arsenal players was, for the most part, exemplary, an aspect that will have pleased the manager. Equally so, he will have been more than happy with the quiet professionalism of those players who were not taxed in their positions. Matches such as this require concentration throughout. Mannone had two saves to make all match and he did so. The confidence brought on through clean sheets is infectious to a goalkeeper.

When the breakthrough came, it was fitting that it should be as a result of outstanding passing and movement rather than a scrappy affair. van Persie fed Fabregas who found Eduardo. The Croat supplied the required cross for the Dutchman to bury from close range; so much for van Persie lacking a predatory instinct.

Within ten minutes, the lead was doubled. Fabregas found an equally excellent cross from the right, Arshavin backheeling the ball through Nikopolidis into the net. Claims for offside were fully justified against the Russian but you play to the whistle and if it doesn’t come, defenders should not stop marking. They did and were suitably punished.

As much as the performances of the attackers are being praised, others should not be ignored. Alex Song snaffled the ball well in midfield and distributed wisely. He was ably supported by Diaby who had he scored with his opportunity, would have received recognition for a solid midfield performance.

Behind them, the pairing of Vermaelen and Gallas goes from strength to strength. Much has been made in the past of Vidic and Ferdinand at Manchester United in previous seasons; the Arsenal duo are building something equally solid and no less impressive. The Belgian continues to be a breath of fresh air, organising the defensive line to an extent that belies his ‘junior’ status in the defence.

Rosicky continued his recovery. Even at less than fully fit, his brightness of thought is apparent and gradually his pace is returning to match levels. This, with Vela coming back last night, Walcott and Nasri when they return, leaves an exceptional array of attacking talents that Wenger is going to be scratching his head about accommodating.

Which leaves the troubled trio of Clichy, Fabregas and van Persie. All have been criticised this season, sometimes fairly but for the most part unjustly. Last night all of them answered their critics to varying degrees. Clichy quelled the Greek attacks with positional play for the most part. Interceptions have always been an important part of his game and last night was no exception.

For Fabregas, it was a performance that was calm and composed, prompting his colleagues and working hard to provide cover for the defence as well. van Persie though is settling nicely into the central striker role. Last night gave an indication of how outstanding he will be there; the Greek defence struggled to control his movement and interchanging with others.

Job done and a nice way for Arsene to begin the celebrations of his elevation to the status of Arsenal’s longest serving manager. A repeat performance on Sunday would just about top that off nicely.

’til Tomorrow.

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Posted on September 30, 2009, in Arsenal, Champions League, Football, Premier League, Premiership, Soccer and tagged , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 227 Comments.

  1. 1st and last commnet on here til next time.

  2. Last night’s game was one of the most enjoyable games in recent times. Breath taking, professional and a no nonsense approach to finishing the game and getting the 3 points.

    Some critics have already jumped on the dillusional “Arsenal have no cutting edge to finish teams” band wagon, but I prefer to heap praise on the Olympiakos goal keeper who had an outstanding match and deserves all the praise he can get for contributing to a wonderful game of football.

    Song, Eboue, Clichy, Gallas and the Verminator were top draw last night and provided the platform for the boys up front to terrorize the Greek defense.

    The biggest positive of the match for me was the patience and professionalism we displayed and the tanacity to hang on in their and wear the Greeks down. The goal was going to come eventually.

  3. Excellent article, YW.

    I’m looking for a double helping of humble pie after seeing how well Mannone did again and also how Van Persie is taking to his new(ish) role.

    Arsene is clearly looking to establish mobility and fluidity above everything else, and VP is proving equal to the task.

    I think the players are getting as excited as the fans when they see Fab, VP, Arshavin and Rosicky on the team sheet. VP is really showing an awareness of his teammates that eluded him until relatively recently. There was only one instance when he ignored teeing up Rosicky in favour of taking a harder shot. Otherwise, his first touch and vision has been first rate.

    Another good result. Heading in the right direction….

  4. Good article.

    I would like to see Eboué keep Sagna out of the team on Sunday given that B’burn will also sit 10 behind the ball. He is a much more dangerous player coming forward, and defensively he is more than capable of handling Fat Sam’s goon squad.

    A solid game from Clichy too – at last.

  5. I’ll play Sagna. Eboue was great, especially as we wanted to play at a reall high tempo but Blackburn are direct and Sagna’s aerial advantage and reading of the game will be better required.

    But anyway, great win. No real negatives.

  6. Great performance last night. It was a question of when rather than if. Very pleased with Rosicky’s performance, he just oozes class.

    Come on the Gooners!!

  7. Arsenal the great

    I can’t stop commenting on Mannone’s performances. Can I say he’s the one we needed to stabilise the defence after seasons of cheaply conceding goals?

    Gallas and TV have developed confidence in him. His distributions are improving (with his kicks and throws) game after game, so is his positioning.

    Is Almunia still down with chest infection? At this stage, I can’t see ‘the Don’ being dropped for Almunia on Sunday against Blackburn. The Don has grapped the opportunity with both hands.

    The Don’s confidence is growing game after the game. By the time we play the top teams, he will be in top, top shape to face players like Drogba, Anelka, Torres, Ade and Rooney.

    Hail the new Don Corleone.

  8. Personally I thought it was a bit of a frustrating performance with players over complicating moves and a number slowing the play down when a quicker release was needed but I guess I’m being over critical dissapointingly Olympiacos chose the Blackburn 10 men behind the ball tactic. We did seem to tire so the team should be credited with keeping going to the end.

  9. Darius,

    Couldn’t agree more. I really thought the performance last night was outstanding. It baffles me why we can’t impose ourselves like this consistently on teams. When we do – it really is sumptuous football to watch.

    Every player to a man were outstanding – while Song was simply monstrous in midfield.

    If we continue in this vein – the team and manager will get the rewards they so richly deserve.

  10. Matt Lawton claims that last night showed how much we miss what’s his name, conveniently forgetting that he was the biggest perveyour of profligacy in the squad.

    Sometimes you think we’re never going to score, last night wasn’t one of those times.

  11. vivb

    frustrating was not scoring, not the performance, dont get that mixed up

  12. A thorough and well thought analysis as always Yogi. And credit must go to all the team for a great overall performance. I agree with you Darius and JW. Apart from the obvious exceptional fluidity and guile in attack,The performances of Song,Diaby and Eboue stood out for me. The team was very committed and hardly wasted a pass.Well done lads.

    It continues to baffle me though what more Arsenal have to do to silence the critics. I listened with continuing irritation at the comments of ex Gooners Platt and Merson as they continued to regurgitate the same arsenal lack heart, cutting edge, height, englishness, strength in depth, Commanding CB and defensive MF, Style over substance drivel.I dont think so. Wengerball won the day yesterday and the sooner those know it alls Merse and Platt eat humble pie the better . Already they have declared we were lucky at Fulham. And Manu werent lucky against us were they. Fools

  13. Song seems to have grasped the “tactical” foul which Wenger hates so much. He had a really good game, and I don’t think it was a coinsidence that Cesc had his best game for a while now that both Arshavin and Rosicky were providing lots of movement, in comparison with players like Diaby and Denislon.

  14. sorry, couldn’t help but respond to Myles Palmer after his disgraceful and outrageous comments about Bendtner.

    Here’s what I sent to him (yes, I know we should ignore him)

    Bendtner car accident:

    “Such nonsense would not be allowed at Liverpool, Man United, Chelsea or any proper club”.

    Really think through this one please. Think about Terry and Cole’s behavior (drunk at airports and nightclubs). Think about Gerrard’s recent assault charge (not guilty I know, but entirely avoidable) and think about the terrible publicity from various ‘proper club’ parties (Carragher in his younger years, Ferdinand organizing the United parties when he wasn’t skipping out on a drugs test).

    Myles-please think about things before you truly insult the team you report on even if you are not a supporter. How can you possibly consider the other teams more ‘proper’ than Arsenal? We have a group of players we can be proud of both on the field and off it. I wouldn’t even think for a second of trading the character of our team for that of Liverpool, Man U or Chelsea.

    Did an Arsenal player shag a granny prostitute?

    Did an Arsenal player ‘forget’ to take a drugs test?

    Did an Arsenal player get naked and show off his shortcomings at a Christmas party?

    Did an Arsenal played attack an innocent man at a bar?

    I’m sure the list goes on. Bendtner is a young man with plenty of growing up to do, as we all did at that age (as did Terry, Carragher et al). However, he has shown a greater discipline and work ethic on the field, and a light touch off it. His offer to pay back Arsenal fans who bought his old number was a great piece of pr.

    You discredit yourself with such an obvious anti-Arsenal slant in your reporting these days. Your self-destruct button seems to be located in the same place as Adebayor’s, and you would be as unpopular with Arsenal fans as he now is, if only you weren’t becoming so irrelevant.

    Sincerely,

    Lagooner

  15. It’s not just Platt and Merson… did anyone hear the drivle from collymores mouth on talk sport the other day (probably been discussed already). He called arsen wenger a cheat… (get this) for not spending profits on new players. I turned the bloody radio off coz I couldn’t stomach his nonsense.. any well well done Arsenal— continuing to prove all the idots wrong (including Arsenal Ex Players– whats wrong with them)

  16. LAG

    And that’s without mentioning that Ronaldo wrote off his car in a tunnel…

    YW

  17. LOOKING UP.

    Nothing much to say about the game. A clean sheet and a SUPERB performance. Congratulations to the team.

    Now, I cant wait for the game against blackburn, oooh… its Big sam, isnt it? I hope he organizes his team in his thuggish philosophy for the game and be at their PHYSICAL BEST and get “into our faces” at the game.

    What a test this is going to be for our lads! I am rubbing my hands in anticipation at how they will deal with the tactics of the master of these heavy handed methods. Will our lads hold up against it? we will see.

    I personally cannot wait to see what will unfold if blackburn do come up with their best game along sam’s philosophy with chris samba and the likes getting in amongst us.

    If we do overcome them at their best game, it will go a LONG WAY in convincing everyone that we are not a team with a soft centre that can be bullied by base tactics and will affirm our credentials as a team who will seriously challenge for the top honours.

    By the way I didnt get a chance to say this. The fulham win was our BEST PERFORMANCE of the season so far. We beat a team with heart, cohesiveness and purpose, great performance there as well!

    To the blackburn game then, cant wait….

    Cheers all!!!

  18. A great performance and show of resilience. Go GOONERS

  19. Who the Fuck is Myles Palmer I keep hearing this guy’s name. Will you all stop going on about him. I don’t know him and I don’t want to know who this guy is. You only giving him publicity by mentioning his name. I’m not going to his site but some others will, more hits on his site the better it gets for the idiot.If a dog barks at you you ignore him and he will stop. So from now on please ignore the drivel that comes out of the idiot’s mouth.

  20. If David Dunn crocks one of our players I will be physically sick. In Dunn’s face.

  21. Good point, YW, Ronaldo’s crash is a much better comparison with NB.

    I do think that the phrase ‘proper club’ has well and truly betrayed his agenda.

  22. We are getting our moneys worth in the CL this season aren’t we? Another hugely entertaining game and a certain inevitability about the goal which broke the deadlock. Maybe it’s just me but I felt quite relaxed that we would win just as I did at 2 nil down in the previous round.
    What a team. Anyone else salivate over those killer drilled passes out of defence by TV? If this is him feeling his way into the team then what do we have to look forward to? The bloke is yet another superb Wenger defensive signing (the kind some would have you believe he does not make).
    Great game, great result, great write up YW.

  23. Previous ‘game’ not ’round’ – sorry.

  24. Yogi…

    you pretty well made the case for who should start at right back and then your courage failed you!

    Eboue brings so much more to our team from that position – there is no way you can justify keeping those skills on the bench…

    defensively there may be a slight edge for Sagna but even there Eboue’s speed against the fast break is a plus…

    if he could just get over his nerves when he has time to think in a finishing situation he’d be Danny A. plus – and a much nicer guy!

    i’d love to know the level of his shooting/finishing on the training ground – i suspect it might be good…

    watching Emmanuel Eboue accelerate down the field running hard at the defence with the ball is pure excitement…he must be played.

  25. 1 loose cannon

    I have mixed feelings about it. I know the best policy is to ignore him, but when I see him write that he received 200 abusive e-mails, I can’t help but feel that the abuse is getting through. Also, when it comes to those who support and those who just denigrate the team, the battle should be waged on all fronts.

    Without confronting those that think they can insult the team, the manager and players relentlessly, we encourage them to beat down on our team even more, and ultimately it helps to fuel the freeding frenzy and mob mentality that so damaged a few of our players over recent seasons. Heading something off ea

  26. Goonerandy – Interesting point re it being Cesc’s best game for a while, and how that was assisted by Rosicky and Arshavin being in the team. I agree that those two must definitely help him; they are players whose movement and deft touches must be a joy for a great long passer like Cesc.

    I would however disagree that Denilson in anyway inhibits Cesc; quite the opposite in fact. Denilson does a lot of the dirty work that gives Cesc the freedom. Rosicky and AA play in front of Cesc, where as Denilson, if fit, would have been contesting for the role taken by Diaby last night.

    I think the weekend will see some changes, with those players more suited to a bruising encounter coming in; I’d guess we’d see Sagna and Bendtner back, and possibly Eboue playing forward, with AA and Rosicky rested.

  27. Arsenal will only shut up the critics by winning the Premiership and the Big One. End of

    I cant believe i am reading Drop Sagna and play Eboue.Get real you fools.Eboue is another Glen Johnson great going forward suspect defensivley.How many attacks did the Greeks have last night?Sagna is without doubt the best right back in the country.Some Gooners just dont have a brain

  28. clockender…

    and some lack judgment…

    that makes neither a fool…

  29. Extended highlights up at footytube. A nice way to spend ten minutes.

    http://www.footytube.com/video/arsenal-v-olympiakos-piraeus-24126

  30. “Get real you fools.Eboue is another Glen Johnson great going forward suspect defensivley.How many attacks did the Greeks have last night?”

    Especially when you contrast that with Fat Sam’s scintillating offensive philosophy. It’s just wave after wave of attack with Allardyce, right? Chill out, dude.

    But I agree that Sagna is a) second to no one as right back, and b) better suited to the route 1 football we’re going to see thei weekend.

  31. Totally agree clockender

    Sagna has been our most consistent defender since he joined 2 years ago.Eboue will never be as good a defender as Sanga.And that should be the end of the arguement.Because first and foremost a full backs job is to defend.So lay off Sagna

  32. goonerandy,

    Song was booked last night, was he not?

  33. good show YW

    Patience and focus is the key to breaking the 10-0-1 formation if we keep at it this way we will soon see teams like Chelsea using the park bus formation..

    We had 2/3rds of possession last night the only champions league team that will match that this week is Barca who got 70% and also scored twice..

    Wenger finally admitted that the reason Eduardo wasn’t in the squad this weekend was because he had a muscle problem, I guess he was right not to comment on the issue as the press would have had another field day..

    What a game.. what skill, vision and technique..

    This weekend after we cut strips of bacon off of Fat Sams back, they’ll be saying Arsenal can only perform against bad opposition..

    ___Arshenal___

  34. Blazon

    Nope, I would not put Eboue at RB ahead of Sagna. It is good for the squad that there is competition for places though – stops complacency.

    YW

  35. On Myles Palmer watch, I was interested to see what he could find to complain about after last night. He was actually very positive. Hard not to be, I suppose, it was Arsenal at their flowing best. Can’t wait to welcome back the pace of Walcott, and the guile of Samir Nasri to this team, then we will be even more fearsome. What a squad!

  36. found an interesting chinese arsenal page while looking for highlights of yesterday’s game:

    http://bbs.arsenal.com.cn/thread-212078-1-1.html

  37. Is it just me who sees that there is hardly any intensity in this Arsenal side. Cesc is for sure not himself. RVP has lost his power and pace, It seems he is neglecting practicing his free kicks as well. There is something very broken with this Arsenal side!!!

  38. Eboue is a great squad player who has been undervalued; I think that is clear. Sagna is a better right back because he is a better defender. Eboue is better going forward and can do a job anywhere on the right side, as he has already proved this year. I don’t think he would be regarded as first choice for any position, but as cover for several positions, he is first rate.

  39. I think Arsene may have Traore penciled in as the Eboue equivalent on the left side; a versatile player who can cover several positions and be used to change the teams shape as a match develops.

  40. It was interesting watching the video you posted earlier, Ole. I don’t know why someone made a comment about Terry Venables. He wasn’t on the video I watched. Why are they employing Alan Sugar as a pundit? The comments by the panel were interesting and innovative. Someone suggested that Arsenal try to walk the ball into the net, and that they are too focused on scoring the perfect goal. Original and penetrating. I also appreciated Garaham Souness’s sane analysis. He is the perfect antidote to the prejudiced punditry to which we are often subjected.

  41. Arsenal the great

    gooner2much

    Stop being negative. The team is shaping up and barring any injuries to our key players, TV, Gallas, Clichy, Sagna, Mannone, Cesc, Rosicky, Song, Arshavin, Dudu and RVP, we’ll be challenging on all fronts including the CL.

  42. @PZ and OG.

    Where is the video you’re referring to? It’ll be good to watch it.

  43. gooner2much,
    You should have stayed for the second half. We actually won last night.

    Here’s the link, DS:
    http://u.nu/45gd3

  44. eboue is better than sagna both offensively and defensively. his acceleration and dribbling skills are marvelous to watch. not that sagna is bad but he cant dribble and accelerate and thats where the edge is. thats a position we dont need to get worried coz we have world class players for it.

  45. I was there last night ( as ever).
    We were fantastic.
    That is the best I’ve seen us play for an age.
    Song was immense, he really is starting to look the business.
    Cesc, Rosick and the Arsh. also magnificent. Arshavin was everywhere. you see an player run in for a last ditch tackle as they broke down the right(or left!)and as he got up you’d see it was the russian who’d done the length of the pitch to get there.
    Cesc, Rosicky, RVP and Arshavin are on another level, when you see them all clicking as they whirl,glide and flow around each other it is a pure footballing joy.

  46. Arsenal the great

    Nick

    Traore, no chance. Arsene sees him now as a LW/LM. He’s defensively poor and has never played 90 minutes for the team before, never. He either starts and get substituted or comes in the later stages of the game.

    He should’ve accepted to go on loan (B’gham or Wigan) instead of playing in the reserves. Gibbs is ahead of him now and Arsene won’t push him ahead of Gibbs. It won’t happen.

    Unfortunately for him, there are so many better players ahead of him in the left side of the 4-3-3.

    I’m really concerned about Traore’s future as I see Aliadiere situation staring at him.

  47. Arsenal the great

    brain

    Eboue is defensively poor and indisciplined. Don’t let us talk about it, its well documented.

    Sagna was brought in mainly because of that. Sgana is the most natural defender in the back 4. His tackling is second to none and is also good in the air as shown in the Fulham game. He’s poor going forward but I believe that will come eventually.

    In fact, he’s the best right back in the EPL and if he were English, Ben Johnson won’t have a look in the national team.

  48. He was like, “whatever.” And I was like, “whatever, man. What’s your problem?”

  49. Great writeup YW, great result last night. The breakthrough, when it came, was so thoroughly deserved.

    Arshavin was a whirling dervish last night, everywhere at once and rarely moving slowly. Quite a contrast with the game against Fulham. Eboue was also excellent. His defending was spot on and he made some great runs. Song, as someone pointed out earlier, did a masterful job of disrupting anything offered in attack by the Greeks. When he could not steal the ball he fouled to stop anything from being generated. All in all it was a great game to watch. The team was switched on from the get go and maintained that focus for the entire match. I felt like I was watching the Everton match all over again.

    As for the rest, I think I must be in an alternate universe when I see people who usually do not post on this blog saying that Eboue should start over Sagna!!! It is just so unexpected!!

  50. Hello people.I have been an ardent reader of this blog though i have never left any comments.
    Thought today is a good day to start as any. First let me commend the bloggers in here for their maturity.I followed one of the links above and it led me to a purportedly arsenal blog which is is full of so many player bashers’ its not even funny.I guess i am better off reading this, holics and goodplaya.

    On to matters Olympiacos/arsenal, it was a great game last night. When we hit 70 mins without a goal i was a bit worried. Playing such sublime football sans three points is such a pain. Good thing the players didnt lose their stride and kept on pushing until we got that vital goal. and Arshavin’s though offside was such a beauty!
    Anyone notice how our goal coincided with Diaby being subbed?

    All in all it was a good day in the office.

  51. On the doomer watch: What it is about most Arsenal blogs that they must have a scapegoat even when the players are palpably growing and improving. Exhibit #1 is blogger Goonerholic who used his post game blog to trash Abou Diaby. I have always had a soft spot for ‘holic and his quirky, rustic style of writing and general optimism about every Arsenal game (the ‘holic pound is always in favor of a positive result). But singling out Diaby for slagging after he had such a good, not great, contribution to overall team performance team smacks of knee-jerkism. Arsenal bloggers, if they are to have any credibility, must be able to discern quality from the occasional mistake. Sure, Abou makes some blunders but yesterday he was disciplined in playing a more defensive role in midfield and his surging runs from midfield as well as willingness to take on defenders makes him an asset not a liability. His decision-making is already improving because he is having a longer run of games. Have bloggers and fans learnt anything from their premature slaughtering of a legion of players including Flamini, Hleb, Song, Eboue, Denilson and now Eboue. You are simply making yourselves into a bunch of no-nothing whining twats.

  52. know-nothings, not “no-nothings”.

  53. Thanks for the link Mr. PZ.

  54. Correction: “Have bloggers and fans learnt anything from their premature slaughtering of a legion of players including Flamini, Hleb, Song, Eboue, Denilson and now Diaby.”.

  55. I thought Eboue was excellent last night, he gives us much more going forward than sagna. So against teams that put 10 men behind the ball he offers us a brilliant option. Very lucky to have him in the squad effectively providing cover all the way along the rhs. Same goes for gallas and TV in a way, having two ball playing CBs who can bring the ball forward or join attacks gives us extra options when teams are hard to break down.

    Great win though and looking comfortable for qualification as group winners which would be superb.

    Really looking forward to blackburn game, they have been v patchy beating villa, but being beaten by sunderland and everton. They are very route 1 so could give us problem in the air but i feel we are better equipped to deal with that now that we have tv and song to contest aerial balls, its a big test for mannone though who despite his start worries me on crosses and set pieces and will be put under lots of pressue.

  56. ‘holic has a great and even handed blog. one of the best.

  57. The Gunners need to finish. This will come back and bite them in the butt. Good game. Need to finish. Brick city on shots. http://bobbygee.wordpress.com/

  58. I thought it was more a 4-4-2 last night than the 4.3.3 any thoughts?

    Arshavin played most of his stuff through the center last night and WHAT a difference that makes.

    This is his best position without a doubt, he looked happier and he was threading balls and getting into goal scoring positions.

    What a player he is! I feel he get’s isolated out on the left a lot – would love to have him playing off Van persie week in week out

  59. Diaby was essential yesterday, Wenger said when we hadn’t scored he decided to take the aggressive route and play a 4-2-4 resulting in the introduction of Eduardo..

  60. shotta gunna u should visit the “le grove” (not sure if i got it right!!!

    Stuff being said about song,Gives hating a whole new meaning…personally ithink he has been very solid this season.

  61. the only thing the internet has done for most arsenal blogs is give irrelevance a voice like pyles the twat palmer.

  62. Sepp Blatter has just shafted two fingers up the holier than thou self imposed media crusade on diving.

    To paraphrase him.

    “So if a defender put his leg out and a player makes something more out of it, is it as bad? I don’t think so. I don’t think we should be getting involved afterwards with trying to referee the game with disciplinary committees. We should be looking at violent conduct more seriously and acting on that instead”.

  63. FirstLady – I know a lot about “Le Whore.” Thanks but no thanks.

    I usually love reading the ‘holic and that is why I was shocked by his post-game blog. I really hope he doesn’t go on the other side.

  64. I think Sagna is a better right back than Eboue. But Sagna is also a better right back than Glen Johnson and Dani Alves. So if we’re going to be attacking most of the game, it would be good to fullbacks that can get behind defences like G.Johnson and D.Alves. Especially when we play teams like Blackburn who will sit eleven players behind the ball. I have enough faith in Gallas, Verm and Song to carry out their defensive duties.

    My two pence worth.
    E9

  65. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/poll/2009/sep/29/arsenal-silverware-without-spending

    And judging by the poll in the guardian so far, the vocal minority seem to be doing the loudest talking in blog land.

  66. Good game and everyone of our players did the job, no problems with the game and it’s result, only wish Eduardo and Vella got a full second half out of the game.

  67. Great piece YB

    Fantastic line
    ‘The chances littered the North London night like papers wafting down the tube line’

    was reading somewhere else about comparisons of Song and Mrs Mop!!

    I know what I prefer to read! cheers Yogi

  68. Nick,

    I take your point about Denilson. I would not say he holds Cesc back as you rightly pointed out he does a lot of the dirty work for Cesc. But he is quite static and does not create space I suppose is my point.

    Olle,

    Song was booked. Rightly as well, as he made lots of niggly fouls when they looked like breaking on us. But that is fine, and partly what he is in the team to do.

  69. did anyone notice that fab hit the ball with his left foot (very cultured) when he hit the bar? he seems to be working on his shooting.
    another thing: someone somewhere suggested to put tv in the dm position. i thought we need him at cb but when song leaves in jan for the acn and seeing eboue doing so well at rb maybe it’s not so far fetched considering sagna can play cb as well.

  70. Are you people really Arsenal fans, did you watch the game or atleast listen to it on radio. Song WAS NOT BOOKED, only cesc and RVP was.

  71. goonerandy,

    Seems Wenger’s point is still valid then. Amazing how media misinform public.

    Wenger’s point is that persistent fouling should be punished. He didn’t say people who do so are evil or that he hates them.

    Just that referees should apply the rules.

  72. Now that Denilson is out for atleast two months, what happens if Song gets injured? If and When Wenger decides to spend the DMF position is one i’d like him to splash on

  73. Denilson is anything but static.

    Well he might be right this minute, as he lays out on the physio table, or in traction or whatnot – but when he plays Neves covers endless yardage.

  74. Shotta Gunna,

    it’s a sociological thing. There is a type of person that needs players within the team to hate. It’s not new. Since I’ve supported Arsenal there was always one player or the other getting irrational stick.

    What’s changed is that the kids used to get soft treatment. Now it’s the kids who get picked on.

  75. Given how many men we often commit forward, it is vital for us more than most to have a player who will break up play (regardless of method) once we lose possesion. Song really does seem to be growing into this role; his passing is improving and he carries the ball really well.

  76. goonerrandy i only remember us getting a coupla cards…one for a very strong tackle form Van persie and another one onCesc

  77. Song has become a master at not getting booked. You can often see him slink away from a challenge, hands behind back, whistling as though a mere passerby.

  78. oops from* and another one for Cesc. both in the second half.

  79. Firstlady,

    You’re right. Song was not booked.

  80. LOL Limpar.

    Song’s ability to evade a booking sure sounds like a poster opportunity with the young man whistling blissfully hands behind back wile an opposing player squeals and rolls on the ground.

  81. Limparassist,

    I mean more so when we have the ball. Recently Cesc has collected the ball, looked forward to see Bendtner and Diaby (no left winger) staring at him, and to the side Denilson making no movement to create space. Compare this to having Rosicky and Arahavin, with Diaby making forward runs. More options for him, suiting his game more.

  82. Welcome to ACLF Ms. FirstLady. I like your posts.

  83. Thank you ZimPaul.

  84. Darius very funny

  85. California Gooner

    Actually, in the second half I thought it was a 2-4-4 formation. Clichy was practically a midfielder and WG10 was playing like a striker for five minutes or so. Then Vela, a proper forward came on…

  86. From the stock market:

    On 29th September 2009, Arsenal Holdings plc (the “Company”) received
    notification that on 28th September 2009 Stan Kroenke, a director of the
    Company, acquired 80 ordinary shares of £1.00 each in the Company at a price of
    £8,500 per share.

    Taking into account such acquisition, Stan Kroenke has a beneficial interest
    in, and controls voting rights over, 17,867 ordinary shares in the Company,
    representing 28.7% of the Company’s issued ordinary shares.

    30th September 2009

  87. As to formation, I was surprised to see the graphic of us playing a 4-1-4-1 at the beginning of the match. Is there a lineup card filled out for that? It looked to me like 4-3-3, but sometimes it’s tough to tell when you’re trying to break down such a negative team.

    At the end, Wenger called it a 4-2-4, which paid off, because Vela keeping his place out on the touchline pulled the RB just two steps out of position, which was all Eduardo needed.

  88. for all the chat about a 4-3-3 to me it’s exactly the same as the 4-2-3-1 we played for most of last season.

    Eboue proved he is much better than Sagna going forward.

  89. From the Telegraph:

    [This is off subject but an interesting observation about Wenger's policies and the January transfer window...]

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/dailybung/6246630/Arsenal-manager-Arsene-Wengers-market-forces-leaves-the-Waitrose-tills-empty.html

  90. Nasir Jones-Nasri

    Like Yogi, I choose to commend tho opposition keeper. Sure, a few were hit straight at him, but he had an excellent game. I thought it was a great performance, and we should be heading into this weekend’s game full of confidence.

    And wow, look at all these Eboue for starting RB fans coming out of the woodwork! How bizarre.

  91. It was that old devil 3-2-5 formation with William Gallas as the big centre-forward wasn’t it?

  92. @Darius

    What a beautiful game!! We played brilliantly. Some folks can never be pleased. We were so FAST through the midfield. From Song through to the forwards…we knifed through what is well acknowledged as a truly solid defense. We scored as many as they have conceded in the last 10 games.

    Their Captain had an incredible day in goal. A less inspired keeper would have pulled the ball from his net at least 5 times. Saying that we were not clinical in front of goal is insulting to a man who had an exceptional night and deserves appropriate respect.

    AA had two really cheeky, next level type moves during the game that suggested that he is really feeling up for it…one was a goal, but the other – a shoulder feint to freeze the defender and then that subtle flick…shifting from right to an instant left-foot shot? That was one of the tightest moves I’ve seen from him and that IS saying something.

  93. A really nice tribute to Wenger by goals.com.
    http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/09/30/1532549/tim-collings-arsenal-comment-players-planning-party-for

    I noticed they now have a new Arsenal contributor who is not as crazy as the prior writer.

  94. I agree Axis. As much as I’m an Arsenal supporter, I’m also a fan of quality football, regardless of whether it’s against us.

    The Olympiakos goalie had a game of his life and it was a pleasure for such a great player to grace the game yesterday. His heroic saves may have kept us out for a while, but it made the game much more interesting. I preferred that than us running a truck through them and having less of a contest.

    The other pleasing thing was our patience and discipline. It’s a sure sign of maturity. That guile and determination to wear down the opponent and wait for the time to kill will help us a lot with teams who come to the Grove to park the company bus.

  95. Excellent performance last night and all the more encouraging because we can improve on that without doubt and have player sgetting fit again.

    First half i thought olympiacos played very, very well and it was an excellent game on both sides, they deserve full credit for their part in it.

    Interesting the contradiction in analysis between this game and saturdays. You play with a goalie so he can make saves. When our keeper needs to make a few we ride our luck, but when the opposition stopper does it the strikers have failed in not beating him. You cant have it both ways. We fully deserved the win saturday, stunning take and finish by rvp a worthy winner, and did so last night as well.

    I thought Song was absolutely brilliant.

    As good as cesc, aa, rvp, and rosicky were, I think they will get better and better playing together and in this formation. Our team play is still not as good as it can be, yet we are winning games and climbing the table. The rest had better look out.

    Well played with that letter lagooner, he is a twat, but it demanded something measured to make the point. Perhaps we can have a comparison between his article on anti-football tactics – playing arshavin left side – and what he wrote of the team today. It is all reactionary, sensationalist, bullshit over there. Ironically as a startegy for self-promotion, it is exactly what makes him irrelevant and easy to ignore if you have any sense. Good luck to him, his sons DJ night, and whatever clowns give two shits about the pricks.

  96. Great show from the Gunners last night. Few observations:
    1) RvP and AA were both quite frisky out there and were more than up for it.
    2) Song is by far the most improved player over the last year. He soaks up everything in midfield.
    3) Maybe I haven’t been paying close enough attention in recent matches, but last night we seemed to complete some beautiful long passes covering a lot of real estate.
    4) Mannone looks great. Makes me wonder if Almunia really is sick or not. Much of goalkeeping is mental and I can’t believe Arsene would shift away from the guy with the hot hand right now.
    5) Overall, confidence and calm is returning to this side following the Manchester setbacks.
    6) At the very least, you can say that no one really would want to be playing us at the moment given the weapons we have now and will hope to have after the injuries subside.

  97. Is it just me, but I think Cesc should play where Diaby was playing yesterday and Arshavin in the Cesc position? Something like:

    ———–Vito———
    Sag–Gal–Verm–Clichy
    ———-Song———-
    ——-Cesc————-
    Ros——–Arsh——ED
    ———–RVP———–

    By the way, would this be are best team? Give or take Eboue for Sagna or Walcott for Rosicky.

  98. Greetings Shotta!
    How’s life in the Caribbean?
    Windies having a torrid time in cricket; we need the Windies first team back again!!!

    Come on Arsenal!!!!!

  99. I must admit, I think Cesc is better operating from deeper.

  100. I just think Arshavin is better playing through the middle and Cesc is better playing from a deep role. Look at it like this:

    Y.Toure=Song
    Xavi= Cesc
    Iniesta= Arshavin

    It works for me.

  101. Arse Chicago.

    Very interesting points. On the goal keeping situation, I think the game at Fulham had a more significant impact than many may realise. Don Vito’s performance gave the defensive line an air of confidence that they can indeed depend on him. It’s psychological and it cannot be discounted. The more Don vito plays as Almunia and Fabianski sit out the injuries, the harder it will be to dislodged him. 4 games with 3 clean sheets is no mean feat.

    I’m sure Almunia will be back, but I truly hope he and Fabianski are having sleepless nights about losing the no. 1 jersey. The competition has to be good for the team and I don’t care who gets benched at the cost of a goalie in form. If Don Vito continues to have good games, its hard to see how he will be dislodged by Almunia or Fabianski.

    Ask Mr. Jens Lehmann after his two clangers in the games against Fulham and Blackburn in the first few games of the 2007-08 season. Jens was said to have an elbow injury and all expected him to be back promptly, but the only game time he saw for the rest of the season was in the FA cup. Wenger executed an exit strategy for Jens right in front of everybody, I wouldn’t put it past him to do the same now if Don Vito and or Fabianski show better form than Almunia.

    Bottom line, our best goalie in his best form should be between the sticks.

  102. @E9.

    We are the Arsenal, we’re not Barcelona. We don’t want to be Barcelona. Get over it. Song is Song and Yaya is Yaya. Fab is not Xavi and clearly Arshavin is not Andreas.

  103. Interesting that the piece in goal.com mentioned above refers to George Allison starting on 28th May 1934.

    The official site is certain that tomorrow is the day he becomes the longest serving manager but if this date in May 1934 is correct, then it is Monday that Wenger becomes the longest serving manager.

    I’ll get me anorak on the way out to buy Mrs YW’s birthday present which by sheer coincidence is Monday. Hmmm, wonder if I can get one with “Happy Wengerday”…

    YW

  104. Great performance last night, so good to see Rosicky back.

    Song learnt from the master of the foul with no yellow – Gilberto.

  105. Really cool article shotta, cheers.

    “patience and discipline”

    This is the key for me Darius. As AW says, we never resorted to anything ‘crazy’. If one route was shut out, we worked it back and attacked from another angle. Possession football is all about patience. We’ve long had the ability to score at will, at any given moment – but having the confidence and belief in that ability is something that is coming with maturity.

    RVP and Fab both tried a couple of wonder flicks, up and over and round the corner all at once. They both would’ve been sublime had they come off, and they will do at some point. Again, I’ll always applaud audacity. But this is as crazy as it got. No one lost their head, we were calm to the final ball, at high pac and even in the tightest of defensive cul-de-sacs.

    Infinitely encouraging display.

  106. I know that we don’t do Individual markings (Limpar) but surely we could have a run down on who have been our players of the season so far…

    My top 5
    1. Vermaelen
    2. Eboue
    3. Song
    4. Denilson
    5. Eduardo

    But if you look through the team so many people have had a solid start. It has been to bizzare decisions/events that we are not in a better position.

  107. re Nasir-Jones Nasri

    Eboue has always been a very good attacking full back – there’s not been any change there, even if he is not a very a good midfielder.

  108. @YW. I can see you’re gunning for a night on the sofa with that “Happy Wengerday” suicide mission…LOL

    I speak from experience you see, considering that ‘er indoors is a diehard Chelsea fan. I know, I know, the things we have to do for love and the kids.

    @Limpar. I was so happy with the game yesterday (as well as the Fulham game) for more than one reason. Of course there was the beautiful football, but more importantly, the discipline we’re showing and the maturity we’re showing in winning games that we previously would have struggled with or drawn.

    The EPL is a game of mathematics and ensuring we beat the teams mid table and in the bottom half of the table is paramount.

    Yesterday’s game was not only thoroughly enjoyable, but a good confidence builder for the entire squad.

  109. @Darius Stone

    You clearly got me misundestood, nobody mentioned anything about wanting to be Barca, I didnt even mention the name! I was simply pointing out that Cesc is better playing deeper and Arshavin’s better through the middle.

    I was simply giving example of other players that play in the same position. Someone earlier compared G.Johnson to Eboue, I didnt hear you say the same thing about wanting to be like Liverpool. There’s no need to be hot headed, grow up.

  110. The other day, I read a study by a group of scientists at CalTech that showed that goalkeepers who face competition for their place in a soccer team can dive 2m further and have reaction times 50% less than those who are guaranteed a starting place. Fascinating.

  111. @E9. I hear what you’re saying.

    I guess it’s a fine line sometimes when balancing a point like that. I was coming from the point of view that we have our own identity and perhaps comparing us to another team is like comparing apples to oranges.

    My bad if I came at you with an edge.

  112. I saw similiar research on Tomorrow’s World in the erly 90′s.

  113. So they have a tendency to dive over the ball or well before the ball arrives…with result that they often have to lie there and watch the ball trickle into the net, Pz….to the sound of wahwahwaaah ringing in their ears?

  114. @Darius Stone

    No problem. I too agree there is only one Arsenal. In other teams you might find similarities, but Arsenal will never be or want to be identical to another team. But like apples and oranges, they are both fruit, but fall from two different trees.

  115. good performace but… not enough runners into the box!

    we spend so much time in their half but off the ball we are sometimes static. i love posession play but there is too much focus on it sometimes and we need to take more risks getting bodies in front of the goal

    too much is being asked of RVP sometimes, we need people running in ahead of him like arshavin often showed

    more of vela please – he knows where the goal is. see above

    mannone looks more composed than fabinsky and makes great saves

    as for the excuses that their goalie was on fire i think it must be said that we were so close to their goal sometimes that really a much higher percentage of our shots should be unsaveable.

  116. fabregas shouldn’t be playing deep. he should be given a free role, go to where he is needed.

    song, denilson and the defence are more than capable of keeping the ball moving, which is what is needed at the back.

    and i thought clichy had an outstanding game, especially his contribution in attack.

    people who say we lack killer instinct are not giving the greek keeper credit. he was outstanding. any other keeper not on his day would have conceded 5.

    and yes, eboue is enjoying a new lease of life.

  117. What a great game last night, I even watched the game twice back to back non-stop action.

    I can’t single out any one player for praise and if I try it will take 90 minutes to do so because I’ll have to praise them all.

    Two things I’m most happy about though,

    1- Rosicky: this guy is pure class and we missed him a lot. He may be still way off by his own high standards but the shot he took with the outside of his right boot after Cesc hit the bar…tells you about what we were missing. Love you Rosicky

    2- The unrelenting desire to win the game by the whole team, how they were talking to each other, warning each other and covering for each other is just great to see.
    ===

    E9 I can understand wanting to play Cesc deep like the old days, but I think he is just as effective if not better further up the field close to attacking action…beside there is a better chance of him scoring more than Diaby.

    What works for Barca may not necessarily work for Arsenal.

  118. All I know is that the research was conducted by some of the world’s leading scientists – the same scientists, in fact, who a few years ago proved that by the 2156 Olympics the winning time in the women’s 100m sprint would be less than the winning time in the men’s. CalTech is always on the look out for emerging talent, and when that ground-breaking research was published, they immediately made the scientists concerned an offer they couldn’t refuse. Strangely enough, the climatology faculty also tried to attract the scientists. They felt the methodology used in the research into sprinting was similar to that used in their own work.

  119. Lagooner.

    Well said Sir. Re Myles the fool Palmer.

    His prose is totally underwhelming, His opinions of little consequence, His credibility non existent. and yet much to my shame, I have to admit that I was the author of one of the 200 emails you mentioned, Mine pointed out that his obvious lack of class was exemplified by that last pathetic attack on the club and its staff.

  120. no7,

    Almost all our players are given a free role. Observe as Vermaelen strides forward and takes people on, as Gallas gets into the box at every opportunity, as Clichy crosses the pitch from left to right, ball at his feet. Eboue roves from RB, to right wing, and into the six yard box, and back again to cover as a CB.

    And that’s not to mention Cesc, Arsh, Rosicky, and RVP who are absolutely everywhere.

  121. Word,

    That someone who evidently watched the game last night can say The Arsenal were guilty of being static off the ball beggars belief. I think you need to get your eyes checked.

  122. wow Poliziano

    “proved that by the 2156 Olympics the winning time in the women’s 100m sprint would be less than the winning time in the men’s”

    Frank may be the only one to live long enough to prove those clever scientists wrong..

  123. RVP played really well as the single striker last night, and developing his game really well to suit.

    He is starting to hold the ball up really well, and with classy players like Arshavin, Rosicky and Fabregas around him, it is looking very promising indeed.

  124. LimparA@5:45

    I noticed that and it was amazing.

    I just wonder why the pundit hacks don’t see things like that since they’re experts in football?

  125. Frank reminds me of Jacob from Lost.

  126. Surprising, isn’t it, Kitchen Sink? It’s scientific, though, so it must be true.

  127. hello evryone,

    m sick of hearing doomers do dis and doomers do dat..but i thnk sum of so called doomers really have a few good points and after all we all want arsbenal to win..

    1) we lack a genuine threat or even athreat of any proportions frm free kiks… how many freekiks did we score of yesterday.. its like other teams feel afraid to commit a foul if they kno u have a gerrard or ronaldo taking d freekik..

    2) i just saw d season review..last season 2 main reasons of our fucking up wer post and almunia..
    people say dat almunia is our numero uno but its a srs prob if no 1 goalie is sum1 hu fuks up at such high frequency.

    now what i hope is dat u people hu reply out thr( if ne1) dun jus lambast me 4 my name or say dat m a doomer .. according to me dese r genuine pts

    newez cheers zp:)

    up the arse..

  128. .ade, WTF?

  129. up your own arse ade you c*nt.

    Consider yourself lambasted.

  130. k m changing my name
    nw reply 2 my post

  131. DNFTT!!

  132. its a classic example of why not 2 choose ur nick on net of a player

  133. okays im sory i shitted bigtym n dat 2 very foul smelling

    about freecicks wat i wrote ws yestrday
    but i meant abt last season

  134. and of course i ws thinking arsene has 2 play nasri

    wer will he play???

  135. @ no7 & Gunner4Ever

    There is no denying that Cesc is a great player and we want to see him on the ball more often. But wouldnt you prefer Arshavin to play through the middle and given a more free role. I think he’s more dangerous in front of goal and he likes to take players on. IMO

  136. .edu, you alright there mate?

    “okays im sory i shitted bigtym n dat 2 very foul smelling”

    All cleaned up?

  137. E9, I don’t know. He looked pretty lively last night on the wing. No problem taking players on at all.

  138. cmon mr la take a chill pill
    wudnt it b nice if sum1 cud hit d target at freeciks more frqntly

    m nt saying it sarcastically but srsly or is it such a big deal

  139. A random thought about the Blackburn game on the weekend. I love that we are getting a big enough squad where Theo will not be rushed back in for 90 minutes because there is no one else. I would expect that he will start the match on the bench and come in for Rosicky or Arshavin since they both ran hard yesterday.

    Blackburn lineup I guess would then be:

    — Don Mannone —
    — Usual suspects —
    Diaby – Fab4 – Song
    Bendy – RvP – Arshavin

    subs from:
    Eduardo, Walcott, Rosicky, Eboue, Sylvestre, Senderos? Ramsey? Vela?

  140. @ Gris Gris

    Yeah he was lively, but he kept drifting in and out of the game. Him and Cesc should be on the ball most of the time.

  141. Lively up yourself…And don’t be no drag
    Hey, lively up yourself and don’t say no
    You gonna lively up yourself cause I said so

  142. wats d use of upping ourselves so lively
    when all dis life seems so so lowly
    and all d thngs lie down so deeply
    and when u cant dare to raise ur head highly
    however hwmuch u try hardly

  143. I felt that it was a job well done as I left the ground last night. Maybe it took us some time to wear them down and maybe we didn’t take some of the chances we should have because we tried to overcomplicate things (sometimes a snap shot is a better option than taking that extra steadying touch), but all in all it was a solid performance.
    I would have liked to see us pressure their goalie a bit more from corners and free kicks as he did seem to like to flap at and punch at the ball, but you can’t have everything.
    I have not been a huge fan of Denilson’s in the past, but I can see that there seems to be a Denilson-sized hole in the middle of the pitch when he’s not playing. The threesome of Fabregas, Song and Denilson works very effectively and I’ll be happy when they are back together on the pitch.
    Which brings me on to my only real problem in the team, Diaby. As I walked along Holloway Road last night a lot of the comments around me were on the poor performance of Diaby and I had to agree with them. For all of the drive Diaby can give us going forward, the number of times he lets us down with a lazy pass or a lost ball after yet another bull-headed run at the players in front of him is just frustrating. I was hoping that Diaby would finally click into gear this season, but yet again our play nearly always breaks down when he is on the ball. When everybody else is fit I can’t see a role for Diaby in the starting eleven, I hope AW agrees with me.

  144. y du u hope dat wenger agrees wid u
    i mean y r u thinkin dat u r rite??? its jus ur opinion…

    v hv all sd shit abt eboue denison song nb52 in d past n de deliverd gud n nw v r saying crap about diaby

  145. That’s an Arsenal supporter for you…on the way home from a UCL winning match and the topic of conversation that is remembered, rather than the numerous scintillating performances or the VICTORY, is something negative.

    Good on ya!

  146. Abc, yes its just my opinion, but, as per usual, when anybody on this site has an opinion somebody starts to slag that person off, rather than discussing it. Talk rationally (and preferably using full words) rather than just saying everybody is talking crap. If want to defend Diaby to me do it, don’t just slag me off because I have an opinion.
    And Gris Gris, you are right, as Arsenal fans we are critical of our team. We expect miracles on the pitch, after all we have become used to them in the past, and we are always willing to question when we feel that a particular player isn’t working out.

  147. Ok, Wavey. Did you enjoy the match? Did you cheer and sing? Is the overriding memory of the performance how poor you think Diaby was or how great the win was?

    Point is that it is always easier to slag off than build up. Out of all the positives you chose to say Diaby was poor. I find that amazing.

    Bottom line is that expecting miracles, in my opinion, is the ass-backward way to look at it. Be happy and appreciate the miracles, if you expect them you will almost always be disappointed. By their very definition they don’t happen often!

  148. Gris Gris I did cheer, I did sing and I did graon every single time Diaby cocked up, as did so many others in the ground. I think Diaby has had his chance now. AW has used in various positions and maybe that can be used as an excuse, but I don’t thnk you can excuse the fact that so many of his passes are careless and appear lazy.
    I think if you looked at my original comment you will see that I was positive about the performance overall. Yes, I did find it a bit frustrating in the first half when we couldn’t get the opening goal, but their goalie made numerous stops and it was good to see that we were working him.
    I don’t think there is anything wrong with looking for miracles on the pitch, after all we have Arshavin playing for us.

  149. Eboue was superb last night. His confidence is back. It`s brilliant for the team that we have two high class right backs.

    Nice to see RVP score for the third game running too.

    Some of the stuff we play in the attacking third really is liquid football.

  150. hey man wavey cool it bro

    i think i gave a very good point about diaby…ie v all are criticizing him the same way we criticized eboue nikkib denilson song not that much time ago..

    also diaby is much bigger in size than many of players in our squad so against ‘big’ teams he has to be played..

    but still i dun thnk wenger agrees with me
    i hope wenger do what is best for the team

    anyways now dont ask me to use capital i’s

  151. Don’t post your opinion Wavey if you don’t want anyone to challenge it. That is the whole point of a public discussion forum, others are free to agree or disagree with your opinion and you may or may not like that, but it goes with the territory.

  152. @ paulie

    its liquid with very low density indeed but dun u thnk ders a dam in front of goal so all d water stops thr ……lol

  153. Happy to have my opinion challenged, but surely this should be about reasoned discussion. After all its a discussion board.
    Abc, now I hear where you are coming from as you have explained your thinking. I might not completely agree with it, but I do agree that Eboue is a great squad player who can really give us something else. I love the way he runs at player with the ball and once he has more confidence with his final ball his goal and assist rations will go up hugely.

  154. Fair enough Wavey. I’ll have to disagree about your assessment of Diaby, or at least wonder why he was singled out. Diaby’s performance struck me as being on par with the team’s. He is not a Fabregas/Arshavin/Van Persie/Rosicky type player so I don’t expect him to perform at their level. I do think that he played a good game for his level and did not hurt the squad. Maybe I have lower expectations for him than you do.

  155. I understand the studio team really laid into Arsenal at half time last night – well out of order. I wonder if they will have as much of a moan about Man Ure’s missed chances so far tonight. I guessing they won’t, so biased.

  156. @wavey & gris-gris

    well hu likes jolly good every1 agreeing type of mutual admiring talks
    we need sum spice thru difference of opinions

    anyways wavey i would like to know with which part of my writing do you disagreee , if you can oblige…

  157. I’m quite suspicious of you abc.. I don’t think your spelling is as bad as you would have us think.. I’m curious as to why..

  158. Isn’t it funny how the doomers Le-Glory and Pyles are now warming to the fact that we are now playing slick, brilliant football. What we all knew on this blog once we had the likes of Eduardo and Rosicky fit, and the younger players started to mature.

    Oh ye of no faith Pedro, Geoff and Pyles. May you realise that whatever you write is bloated shit.

  159. @ gris

    i thnk diaby was shit yesterday in the same way fab was shit at cottage in same way some player will be shit some given day..

    but we all know when hes a monster hes a big one..
    who can forget performance against villa last season

  160. Abc, top man! You crack me up.

  161. But I think Kitchen Sink is on to you.

  162. @ kitchen pipe and sink

    v r not riting reviews of kafka and dostoevesky wich r 2 b examines at sumplace

    its like u rite thngs casually n newez i thnk 50 years from now through will b spelled as thru

  163. what sort of a name is kitchen sink???

  164. I cant believe that cow Lady Nina is thinking of selling her shares to Kronke, I am disgusted. She is going to ruin us, the selfish cow

  165. abc your quite smart when you want to be .. but there is definitely another reason you dum down your talk.. hope to read more of your posts..

  166. ab,
    wot t fk r u tkng bowt

    i cant ndrstand u

  167. Actually, Chavez, she’s a horse.

  168. abc is remarkably like James.

  169. bc,
    witch s ur fav novl by dstovsky

    t idyot

  170. wot bowt kfka

    i bet u cn simpthize wit t mane cariktr

  171. @ks

    if ur srs den thnx

    If you are saying that seriously then I’m thanking you from bottom of my ass :)

    i dun thnk i post much on sports or i post much newez
    follower of chomsky u c :: spectator sports and showbiz are meant only to distract general people from the intricacies of the evil policies of the tyrrant of this world.

  172. …in t metamofosis

    sory mist bit

  173. “the tyrrant of this world”

    du u meen barracks obeemer

  174. chumpski n ted saeed r t 2 gratest genyuses of t 20 sentry

  175. trial my fav though i lik country doct also
    shame dat kafka cudnt complete trial
    but my lines r d last lines wich r nt written by kfka “like a dog”, he said. it was as if……..

  176. @pz
    u heard rockefellars
    in every country its d same bullshit happening

  177. or even old Slack Jaw. Didn’t the best Bond villains have only one eye.

  178. Volfsburg just scored!!!

  179. nobudy cn pul t woll ofer chumskis ays

  180. Dzeko!!!!

  181. One nil to Wolfsburg

  182. whateva its like troll

    basicaly m frm a country wer eng is not the first language so i dun understand shit what they sing in the crowds. if sum1 can temme i shall b thnkful

  183. spawny mancs 1-1

  184. oh well..

  185. Man U equalized on a ridiculously lucky deflection

  186. “I don’t thnk you can excuse the fact that so many of his passes are careless and appear lazy.”

    Sounds familiar? especially the lazy part.

    I have one question for you Wavey for the sake of your argument. Actually two questions:

    1- Do you think if Diaby is lazy, Wenger doesn’t see that? Or do you think he sees it but he continues to play him just to piss you and your fellow disgruntled fans off?

    2- Is the name Wavey derived from Craig Ferguson late late show?

  187. I can’t lie…I think Diaby is lazy as well. He frustruates me no end…When he’s good he’s great but those games seem far between for me.

  188. I don’t think that Diaby is actually lazy, I think his passes appear lazy. I think he passes into areas where he assumes there will be a player, he doesn’t look up enough to see where the other players are. That appears lazy, maybe its because he is still relatively young and is used to players being in those areas in training. If that’s the case he has to learn that in a match things are never as smooth as in training.

    The secret behind why I’m called Wavey will just have to remain a secret.

  189. ab,
    i gonna call u gregor samsa frm now on cos u r bug

  190. well how does it matter india

  191. The lazy thing tends to haunt the taller players.. I remember last season there was a game that Diaby played and was not effective at all on the left and many accused him of being lazy.. at the end of that game he had run 12km, the second most on the pitch..

  192. PZ, stop it! I’m almost having a cardiac here!

    abc, I think you should write in to be a guest on Special1TV. You would fit in right next to the puppet Ronny.

  193. @gris

    tell me some arsenal songs and on what tunes are they sung

    and whats that puppet thing about ???

  194. Its definitely not his running or his movement around the pitch. He always makes himself available and he always gets stuck in. Its his passing which lets him down.
    I think Vieira comparisons are unfair as they give him a huge task to live up to, but he did used to seem to come through a group of players with the ball like it was attached to his boot with elastic (very Vieira-like). That doesn’t seem to happen very much any more.

  195. @ wavey

    i thnk passing is allright rem d pass against liege for nb52

  196. but passing last night was lousy. As Axis said, when he’s good he’s great but those games seem far between.

  197. Vidic was lucky not to get a second yellow there.

  198. Is this remedial English or have I stumbled onto a Czech dating site ?

    ABC – tk ur mttns offf

  199. k on some night some player can b out of form
    he has aerial and physical benefits which come handy against rough teams newez nice dillema to have

  200. @ peanuts

    compare your and my avatars lol

  201. Ha, Milan lost at home to FC Zürich, but check out the goal that beat them:

    http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/3539279/

  202. Cr*p, the link just went down :D

  203. It’s not Diaby’s running…he just seems casual about his passes, a bit off the cuff with his decisions. He seems to lack intensity and consequently sharpness and precision. I guess I’d like to see just that extra bit of care…you know…don’t just make the pass – MAKE the pass. It’s just that extra bit of concentration, that extra level of focus that is the difference.

  204. Well said.

  205. Poor Flamini…looks like he joined Milan in the wrong Era.

  206. abc, you haven’t seen Special1TV yet? Do a search on youtube (it is clean, SFW). You will not be disappointed. You’ve got a spot nailed on for that show.

  207. he made his bed in Milan G4E, now he gets to sleep in it.

  208. Well, may he sleep in peace Gris Gris :)

  209. lol at special1tv

    cumon please tell me some of those arsenal songs

  210. Thanks for the link Anaconda, that was some goal!

    Axis, Diaby is not lazy – your stereotype is though.

  211. Well done to the Arsenal ladies for their 9-0 win against PAOK. Seems they took their chance a little better than the men.

  212. @Limparassist

    you are absolutely right that we have a very fluid team. i dare say we are the only team in the world where the centre-backs look to get forward. we are able to do this is due partly to song, because song can effortlessly slip into centre-back. most defensive midfielders can cover for the centre-back but not play as centre-back. that is a key difference.

    anyway, when i mean fabregas being given a free role, what i mean is really the licence to roam. not be told, you stay deep and dictate play from there.

    you get what i mean?

    i feel that people are suggesting that fabregas should be deployed deeper are thinking of pirlo at ac milan. perhaps they don’t see that the style is different, and the way opposition line up against us is different.

    and well done to the ladies. new era for them. i think on the europe front, things will get harder only in the later stages, when the german teams, umea and lyon come along…

    on the domestic front, last season, we were really pushed all the way by everton.

  213. California Gooner

    Yesterday, since I was surrounded (as always) by Eboue haters, or at least Eboue doubters, I started saying “Damned Eboue” every time an Arsenal player missed an easy shot or made a crappy pass. Of course the point was to draw attention to the fact that all players do that, but nobody says “Damned Rosicky” when he rolls a shot right to the keeper, or “Damned Arshivin” when he tries to take on two players and looses the ball.

    Anyhow, Eboue looked great. The one thing I will agree with everyone on is that he just misses to many easy or at least plausible shots on goal. My contention is that he can learn to relax, take a second to compose himself, and start passing the ball into the goal. The haters tell me that if he hasn’t figured that out by now, he never will.

  214. @Gunner4Ever

    most players who leave arsenal don’t make it… hleb is back at stuttgart. flamini.
    of course henry won everything last season, but i feel that his best years was at arsenal.
    can’t wait to see adebayor playing in the middle east!

    in fact, i would say the players who leave arsenal and go on to develop further as players are the ladies.

  215. no7

    I’d say the players who leave us with a grudge mostly end up not doing so well.

    TH14 has done everything to the club in 8 years, he’s the top scorer and great entertainer of all times. He wanted to play for Barca and granting him his wish was the least Arsene & Arsenal can do for him.

  216. Gunner4Ever,

    yes, that is what he deserved, no question about it.

  217. G4E,

    Flamini went after the money. Look how it turned out for you Flamoney

  218. YW,

    I think this was the best performance from any Arsenal team of the past 5 years. Not only was it difficult-impossible to find a poor performance, but the maturity and patience underpinned by exceptional fitness levels gave me a massive lift. Wholly agree that the three noted players uped their games and answered their growing number of critics. If this performance could become out benchmark, I foresee great things this season..

    Come on you Gunners

  219. Flamini made a very shrewd move when he went to Milan. He wouldn’t get near to a place in the Arsenal team now, and his career would be at a standstill.

  220. California Gooner at 12:11 am: You really expressed very well something that I have observed. The scapegoat du jour is now Diaby. He had a good game on Tuesday especially his defensive discipline, his tackling has improved added to his usual willingness to take on opponents when going forward. I count at most four displaced passes on Tuesday. Yet we have fans, some who were at the stadium, come online to not only exaggerate Diaby’s mistakes, fail to mention gthat that Cesc Rosicky and Arshavin had about the same number or marginally less number of displaced passes. Makes you wonder.

  221. Asianfansince97

    @Wavey

    I don’t think that Diaby is actually lazy, I think his passes appear lazy. I think he passes into areas where he assumes there will be a player, he doesn’t look up enough to see where the other players are. That appears lazy, maybe its because he is still relatively young and is used to players being in those areas in training. If that’s the case he has to learn that in a match things are never as smooth as in training.

    You know what, there’s this old Japanese comic I read about amateur football (what? I love football and the comic was interesting) where one of the characters generally gave misplaced passes which frustrated his teammates and coach. He’s called stupid and the only reason he’s on the team was because he’s athletic and fast or something. Anyway, one day a great coach came to see the team and after a while he realized that the guy was indeed not seeing where his teammates were, but made his pass purely by instinct to where the other guys ‘should’ be, because he’s the next Pele combined with Maradona and Overmars and other football legends. Maybe Diaby is like that? Unlike the other players of that fictional team, Arsenal players have excellent movements and positioning so it’s not like other players were generally in the ‘wrong’ position, but perhaps Diaby is in an entirely different level where his footballing is too genius and raw for his fellow, great teammates? The way I see it he’s just giving away the ball to opposition players with not so good passes but it’s fun to entertain the possibility.

    Thanks YW. The more stuff to read about Wenger the better, so these are happy days. Congrats Lord Wenger, hope to see you with us for more years to come and that we’ll soon enjoy the ultimate fruit of your relentless hard work, vision and faith. Congrats Arsenal for having the most wonderful, football loving, finance sounding, diligent, intelligent, caring, pleasant looking, multilingual and courageous manager in the whole wide world. I overdid it but the sentiment remains.

  222. Song is no innovator in the tactical foul. The great master of that was Gilberto, who would sheperd attackers superbly, if the force the issue make creat tackles and if all else failed make timely tactical fouls – then put his hands up in the in the air and give the ref that ten million dollar smile.

    Most players couldnt get away with it, but when you are a gentle giant with a reputation as a complete gentleman off the field, guess what – it works.

    Song would do well to learn from that – spend as much time as you can smiling, to the refs to opponent, everybody – and then when you need to make a foul, draw on that capital investment.

    It just works!

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