Posted by: Yogi's Warrior | July 17, 2009

Andrei Joins Cesc On The Arsenal Love Train

Tell all the folks in Russia…

He might be off to Manchester today for a medical. Hold on, we have been here before, haven’t we. Stuff it, I’ll wait until the transfer is confirmed by Arsenal before passing any more comment. Anyway, Andrei Arshavin thinks He is a good player:

He is an excellent striker. Everybody knows him and he can score from nothing. But it is his decision whether he wants to stay or he wants to go.

Which is pretty much all there is to be said this morning on Him. The Pocket Dynamo (or should that be Dinamo?) was merely warming to the task:

We have Arsene. He knows everything. He knows if we need someone then he will buy.

You cannot really argue with that but Arshavin needs to whisper it when he says, “Arsene knows“, simply because it has become a dirty word. Or words. I guess phrase is more appropriate. But he was not finished there, oh no.

Of course he is a very strong coach. He gives me freedom on the pitch, which I like. He’s found a new position for me which I’ve never played, as a left midfielder!

A minor adjustment to one with Arshavin’s talent since playing across the forward line and supporting roles, ought to be a piece of cake when you consider his footballing intelligence. It is a big season for him. His short spell last season unquestionably highlighted the threat he will pose and to be honest when opponents look at van Persie, Arshavin, Cesc and Nasri, retreating even further into their shells is going to become even more de rigeur at The Emirates.

Don’t you know that it’s time to get on board, And let this train keep on riding, riding on through

If Arsene was blushing then Cesc will have gone a permanent shade of red at the praise heaped on him by his Russian colleague:

His vision is excellent, he plays every ball into a perfect position for our players. He is fantastic.

Now all they have to do is to learn to time their runs to meet the ball. Fabregas’ absence last season hurt the team but this time around, I believe that the squad is better equipped to deal with such an absence.

There are players who can stand in for him and whilst they may not be the same style as Fabregas, they can provide sufficient prompting for the absence to be minimised. Crucially, they now know how they will cope without him. The unbeaten run of 21 games was built whilst he was out and that should give them confidence to deal with anything the season has to throw in their direction.

People all over the world (Join in, ride this train)

Still that pales into insignificance compared to the praise heaped upon Tomas Rosicky by the Spaniard:

He can bring many, many things to the team. He’s a guy with a lot of experience, he has won things, he knows how to compete, he’s very humble and he works for the team.  Technically he is one of the best in the world and physically I am sure he will be really strong because he’s been working really hard. I am happy because soon he is going to be back and I can’t wait to see him playing again

And that feeling is echoed by every Arsenal supporter that I know. In terms of his comeback, Rosicky is fortunate in that it can be done reasonably gently in the first team. He is not required to jump straight in – at the moment – since there is a lot of competition for the attacking midfield spots.

The form he was in before the injury struck was quite possibly the best since he joined the club. In many respects, he reminds me of Vladimir Petrovic, thier style and vision of play is remarkably similar despite being separated by more than two decades in their time at the club. Petrovic only had the chance to show a glimpse but Rosicky has more time on his side than the Yugoslav ever achieved.

Barnet tomorrow and hopefully some football to distract everyone from the Hughes Brothers circus that is encircling the club.

’til Tomorrow.


Responses

  1. ;)

  2. I’ve been thinking of formations and I’m really falling in love with 4-2-3-1.

    In my 4-2-3-1, the “3″ all get free roles. They however have to defend from the front, and track opposition midfield runners when we lose the ball. Especially the opposition “in-between-the-lines” players.

    I wish I could draw a graphic to illustrate what I mean.

    The “2″ in midfield will sit deep and remain deep and be very disciplined about sitting deep. They will play on the ball when the opposition have 8,9,10 men behind the ball. And they will orchestrate play, or simply keep the ball circulating to the front 4, and to the full backs who will almost play like midfielders.

    Sounds perfect in my head :) :P

  3. Luke please accept a Peroni for coming first.

  4. Arshavin was a Zenit man, not Dinamo, guys. To call Arshavin “Poket Dinamo” is just about as calling Fabregas “Spanish Spur”. This is from a Russian football fan. Cheers.

  5. We just need an athletic player in the midfield and we’re done. If we continue to play Song and Denilson there, then we should expect teams like Chelsea, Pool and now City to overrun us.

    AW hasn’t sort out the middle for a long time despite repeated shouts from everywhere. AW maintains his confidence in players who have improved but can’t do the job.

    If AW maintains his posture over the DM issue then I don’t expect much change in our position on the table despite the recovery of Eduardo and Rosicky and AA’s full season.

    Diaby, Song and Denilson are not good enough, not yet.

  6. Ole Gunner, that makes sense to me. I expect Song is one of the 2. Who’s the other?

    On Rosicky, I really salivate at the idea that this year we will have Eduardo, Rosicky and Arsh for the whole season (fingers croseed)! That is some muscle that we didn’t have for most of the last year.

    I expect Arsenal to win the league this year. We certainly have the tools when you add Clichy, Sagna, Gibbs, Walcott, Nasri, RVP, Bendtner, Gallas, Toure and maybe more mature Gilbert, Merida, Wilshere, Ramsey, Vela and Barazite.

    With that additional defensive midfielder, we have as good a squad as anyone.

  7. @OG

    The 4 2 3 1 is a counter attacking system, and its strength lies in its ability to soak pressure, but strike very fast when in possession of the ball. hence you need the 3 and the 1 to be players of quick body and quick thought.

    When you get a team that packs the bus, the system becomes useless, because its a defensive counter attacking system. for a team that packs the bus you need a traditional 4 4 2 or 4 1 4 1 or 4 3 3

    I think we have the personnel to play in any system above, but for the 4 4 2 we do not have a commanding defensive midfielder that will partner the creative midfielder. Hope song/ diaby/ denn can become that beast. But for all the other systems we are good to go

    Thus when playing Barca 4 2 3 1 When playing Bolton 4 4 2 When playing ManU 4 1 4 1 When playing in Europe 4 5 1

  8. Shut up Bodad

  9. Vladimir Petrovic, blimey that takes me back, jumpers for goal posts, isn’t it. Mmm.

  10. We have so much attacking talent in our side, in terms of attacking midfield options I think we have the best suad in Europe. And the best thing is a lot of them- Arshavin, Walcott, Rosicky even- can double up as strikers if needed. So I have a suggestion:

    Instead of using the Ade money to buy Chamakh or any striker, how about we splash out on a couple of out and out wingers? We’re strongly linked with this Eden Hazard kid who looks a great prospect, and how about Arjen Robben? Looks likely to leave Madrid, fairly young still, experience of not just playing in but winning the Prem and scores goals from the wing. Probably wouldn’t cost too much and we could get him as the only other team interested so far is sp*rs! He’d be a great addition to the squad, and would free up our ‘makeshift’ wingers in Arsh, Rosicky and Theo to play up front, along with RVP, Bendtner, Eduardo, Vela, Simpson etc- we don’t need another striker. If I was Arsene I’d certainly be going in for him.

  11. Ole – who plays where in that formation? Is cesc one of the two?

    I still think ade stays, at the very least something in the press seems off, although i am on holiday in denmark so maybe am not fully up-to-date. Still:

    Why sell within the league especially to a supposed up and coming team?

    Why did we give milan the silent treatment a month ago but are spreading our legs for city at the same quoted price?

    What is the hold-up?

    Personally, i think that they have either offered 40 plus mil or the whole thing was just a PR act to allow Ade to have a heart to heart moment where he can lay to bed the whole money driven image.

    Whatever else all the brittle, fairweather fans may feel, IF he turns down the cash and stays, fora second time, there can be no more of this negativity and doubt about his commitment.

    Good article on the online gooner about the clubs finances too.

  12. “Despite repeated shouts from everywhere….” I love that phrase! I wonder why He never listens, Bodad?

  13. Hugo, I had the same idea, that we pursue David Silva instead of Chamakh. But hey, Wenger knows!

  14. “…for the most part, Arsenal toyed with Reading. It was like an evil hangman placing the noose around the neck of the condemned man only to pause for a sumptuous steak dinner…”
    The awesomeness of the REAL Arsenal we all want see, as described by Skysports after at the Match at the Madejski Stadium in 2007
    I’m looking forward to see the REAL Arsenal this season.

  15. We like Arshavin.

  16. I have strong vibe about this coming season. This is our season.

  17. …have a…

  18. Lets hope Arsene Knows that Arshavins best position is behind the main striker(that being RVP or Eduardo)I can see AA scoring 15 plus goals from that position

  19. With Arshavin, Fabregas, Rocisky, Nasri, RVP, Walcott, Eduardo and Wilshere. Arsenal possess the best attack in the EPL. All we need is a Tigerish figure in the DM and CD position. Although, a collective effort to win back possession would help alot. “A one for all, all for one mentality”

  20. Terry,

    I doubt if Wenger will know Arshavin’s best position. He is a rookie.

    Arshavin played on the left of midfield chiefly because Rosicky was unavailable and Nasri could then play on the right flank.

  21. arsenalkabisa,

    I completely disagree that it’s a counter-attacking system. It’s very similar to Brazil’s 4-2-4, or Man poo’s 4-2-4 in the early 90s, or even Arsenal sometimes looks like 4-2-4.

    I like 4-2-3-1 (not in every game) because it allows us to put our strongest most creative players high up the field while keeping us less prone to counterattacks.

  22. We will walk it this season lads。

  23. Arseneholis,

    Sample 4-2-3-1 lineups

    Almunia

    Sagna Toure Gallas Clichy

    Cesc Diaby

    Rosicky RVP Arshavin

    Eduardo

    Or

    Almunia

    Eboue Vermaelen Senderos Gibbs

    Song Denilson

    Walcott Diaby Nasri

    Bendtner

  24. What about a 3-1-2-2-1.5-0.5? Any takers?

  25. I said when we signed I Am Gooner we were signing a world class talent.He will win player of the year next season.

    Hugo

    Robben is too injury prone we have enough of them already.Although I would buy Ashley Young.Dont want him to join Sperz.

  26. AA roooooles !!! :D

  27. #

    I wonder is we would have the right balance if we played all 4 of Arshavin, Cesc, Nasri and Rosicky in midfield?

    Would we be strong enough defensively, and who would be best to play alongside Cesc – Nasri or Rosicky?

  28. Don’t forget that Man City are the Spuds of Manchester。Looking forward to seeing them (both)finishing in mid table as usual。Don’t expect any greater challenge to the ‘top 4“ than last season。Just the other 3 chasing Arshavin and Rosicky all over the park。

  29. john

    I just vomited a bit in my mouth ..Ashely Young

  30. I think they’ll be room for Denilson to provide a little bit more balance in that side Matt.

    Its going to be interesting to see how AW assembles the pieces though.

  31. My worry about a 4 2 3 1 is that it could be too retentive. Any thoughts on that?

  32. @hugo

    Roben is not a team player. he is the most selfish winger you will ever get. he is the type to have the team built around him.

    I Remember in the Euros they had a spat with RVP on the side of the wing to play? coz both of them wanted the Left wing or something. My opinion though. He would be a very divisive factor in the team.

    Any of the following can be the two players

    Cesc Dennilson nasri Song Diaby Wilshere

    A defensive minded player, with attacking prowess, and a ball keeping role

  33. Hugo we don’t need 11 wingers in our squad I mean seriously what?
    Arshavin Walcott rosicky nasri vela rvp Gibbs traore can all play there
    Even dudu was coming good there and we have youth players too
    + 2 more
    You can only have two wingers on the pitch mate not a whole team
    If we don’t have enough good wingers at that already then god help us

  34. Alex,

    “I doubt if Wenger will know Arshavin’s best position. He is a rookie.”

    I aggree. We should stop hoping that Arsene knows his best position, and get to praying. I’ve heard prayers are being accepted this summers. Kaka, Ronaldo, and Benzema in the same team? Who could have believed that it was possible.

    Pz,

    3-1-2-2-1.5-0.5?

    I have been a strong advocate for this formation for a year now. If we had tried this against Manu in the CL, we would have won it. Let’s hope Arsene knows that it’s the best position, with Arshavin representing the 1.5 in the above formation, just behind the half striker.

  35. Why is there no word on efforts to bring Brede Hangeland? Has Wenger told all the blogs to hold fire until he is through? Can you imagine what that acquisition would do to our depth in defence which has been our achlles heel?

    Lets hope he actually does it: I read somewhere that Arsenal are offering £10m+ Senderos imn exchange for Hangeland. That would be a begining to a real intent for challenging for honours.

  36. It’s important to analise every possible formation to ensure we get the correct level of retention.

  37. Goonerbeall,

    Maybe people here are very skeptical of press reports 90% of which turn out to be false anyways.

  38. with Arshavin representing the 1.5 in the above formation, just behind the half striker.

    heheheheh and who is the half? I though we were selling Ade? or is Owen coming over now?

  39. Goonerball,

    ” Has Wenger told all the blogs to hold fire until he is through?Can you imagine what that acquisition would do to our depth in defence which has been our achlles heel?”

    Yup. There was a certain Arsene here on ACLF, a few days back, was acting weird. But he did mention about not mentioning Hangeland. Keep it down. A few days back a certain guy mentioned about City going for Ade, and it almost came true. And I can imagine what that acquisition would do to our depth. Brings a big smile on the face eh?

  40. arsenalkabasia,

    “heheheheh and who is the half? I though we were selling Ade? or is Owen coming over now?”

    The other half is also Arshavin. In case you didn’t realise, every digit on that formation represents Arshavin. That’s all we need to do. Get 11 Arshavins on the pitch, and than you see, the team of 5′5 arshavins is g0ing to take football to a new ouutta this world level.

  41. Some system I was thinking about.

    I have called it a 2 – 3 – 2 – 2 – 1

    Its dependent on Gibbs and Eboue’s Attributes when going forwad. It is to do with roles, and not nescesarily playin formations…

    —————–RVP
    —Rosicky
    ————–Arshavin
    ————————Nasri
    ———-Cesc
    Gibbs——–Dennilson—–Eboue
    ————Galls—— Toure
    —————–Almunia

  42. Will these players remain in that rooted in that position completely during the 90 minutes?

    What if we decide to defend as a team, and have to move back the players at front? What if RVP decides to chase a ball, and doesn’t give up, and ends up where Nasri was. While Denilson, skips ahead, and takes Rosick’s position. Nasri on the other hand ends up at that empty space next to Cesc, which ur map doesnt represent. That leaves Rosicky, who cunningly decides to double up with RVP on the player that RVP was chasing in the first place. Gibbs, creeps up and ends up in that empty space, which can be located horizontally to the left of Arshavin’s orignial position. And rightly so, as Rosicky and RVP, get the ball off, the opponent. Long pass to Arshavin, who never left his original position, who skips forward, doging a couple of defenders, before backheeling for Denilson to score from. Very dynamic indeed.

  43. @Ateeb

    And that in English will be???…

  44. Ateeb

    Please dont take any of the team talks in place of wenger this season, actually stay well away from the dressing room!

  45. I would like that move to come in practice, next season.

  46. Ateeb

    I am certain there will be alot of free flowing football, and interchanging in positions this coming season. While other teams stick to their strict positional formations… everyone is going to be trying to second guess what actual formation we are using!! We are gonna confuse the lot of them, goals are going to come from all over, and players will be popping up in the box unmarked.

    Predicting the most free scoring premiership team ever to exist!!

  47. Ateeb,
    I think you’ve misunderstood how formations work. The players are not expected to stay in a particular position throughout the match. That would be absurd. The formation selected by the manager simply determines what are called the home coordinates of each player. Throughout the match, each players distance from his home coordinate along the x and y axes (i.e., the length and breadth of the pitch) is expected to follow a normal distribution, the variance of which is decided by whether the player is given a standard or a free role.

  48. Pz,

    You’re saying I will never witness the above scenario that I just described?

  49. Whichever formation AW decides on for tomorrow, I hope he will be taking the notorious Underhill slope into account. During the course of the game – and depending on the prevailing wind – a 3-2-5 would gradually even out as a 4-4-2 or 4-3-3, if we begin the game playing against the incline.

    In the second half, a 6-2-2 would see us end the game with an aggressive 1-1-8, as the players tire and gravity plays a greater role.

    Obviously you’d have to switch the formations depending on the end from which you begin the match.

  50. No Ateeb the football world is not ready for that idea at the moment. You are a man ahead of his time.

  51. Ateeb

    He is saying the opposite, we always experience similar scenarios! Im expecting a “globe trotter style continual positional mass interchange”… Toure and Arshavin will be swapping positions quicker than a chess move!

  52. it means football is a mobile game, but arsenal plays a zoning game. Where players have zones, and so do not duplicate roles, but are responsible for play in their given zones.

    It is different from man marking. Where players mark individual players in the opposition.

    Its also why when Rosiscky just came people were saying he is running around like a headless chicken…

  53. I think despite a player being given a home coordinate, and allotted a standard role, upon his own intelligence, act to interchange his position with another player whose home coodinate had no variance and was playing under conditions of a free role. In such a scenario, and depending on the tactics of the opposition, and the opportunities that our players can exploit by making space, and runs for each others, can in practice result in a goal. While the players celebrate, and we see the replay of the goal, we might be able to witness that 2-3 players were way off their home coordinates and respected variances, and operating under conditions of a free role. Context of the game can allow players to operate in ways that their intelligence can comprehend, making free flowing football come in practice, despite the rudimentary formations.

  54. Ateeb

    Once Wenger perfects the positional interchanges where the other team and cameras never see it coming, we can work on implementing some of our fans into it. We can have 1 lucky winner in our matchday programme who gets a free cameo appearance

  55. Polizi, dare I suggest that the distances might follow Poisson distribution instead ;)

    Or even Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution, which is often applied in statistical mechanics?

    Yes, lack of Arsenal-games is beginning to show…

    Interesting day in the Tour de France as well.

    Which so called “newspaper” (read: hack kindergarten) reported the Hangeland-Senderos thing?

  56. Lol Bragging Rights. A little bird tells me that Nike have developed a special Nike Air shoe which would negate the effect of the gravitational pull of the underhill slope. Barnet wont know what hit them.

  57. I would like Braggin rights’ dynamic thingy come to practice as well. Depending on the wind offcourse.

  58. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/jul/17/zlatan-ibrahimovic-samuel-etoo-internazionale-barcelona

    The Eto’o to Arsenal rumours and conjecture may end now.

  59. @ BRL

    1 – 1 – 8

    I love that

    Toure

    Song

    Edu, Vela, Bendtner, Arshavin, RVP, Theo, Thomas, Ade

  60. There is football tommmmmorowww

    And Arsenal is playing

    Arsenal is playing

    Arsenal is plaaaaaaaaaaaying

    And Arsenal is playing

    There’s football tomorrow

  61. Thought Laporta was talking about spending with caution and not over paying for players. He is gone and done the complete opposite.

    WAKE UP ARSENE!!!

    No big strikers left, Villa, aint going to go anywhere. We’re f******. Just get rid of Ade, one of the top 5 strikers in Europe, and we’ll be fine. As Muppet would say, FOOK ME!!!

  62. “Lol Bragging Rights. A little bird tells me that Nike have developed a special Nike Air shoe which would negate the effect of the gravitational pull of the underhill slope. Barnet wont know what hit them.”

    Ah, yes: Nike Airspace. The less said about the sweatshop testing process the better. I hear they’re a little more optimistic of finding the first volunteers now they’ve got the folks at the Arizona Observatory on the case.

  63. Arshavin obviously doesn’t read the comments section of ACLF, otherwise he would have known not to alienate any contributors and would have said “Arsene knows, mostly”.
    Regardless of whether old whats-his-name stays or goes, I am very much looking forward to seeing the team in action this coming season.

  64. We gonna win the league… We gonna win the league… We gonna win the league… We gonna win the league… We gonna win the league… We gonna win the league… We gonna win the league… We gonna win the league… We gonna win the league… We gonna win the league..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  65. BRL, ha ha ha!!! @1:55

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  67. WE’RE GONNA WIN THE LEAGUE!!!

  68. I would be pleased to see the back of Ade but am holding my breath until the move becomes official coz we could still end up lumped with him should City decide against the move.

    If Ade goes do we need to buy another striker?

    Van Persie on his day is unstoppable but can be anonymous on another. We may have had an injury free season from him but there is no guarantee that he will be so this term.

    No-one is disputing the class and finishing ability of Eduardo but can he sustain the challenges of a whole season? I don’t think so.

    Ditto for Rosicksy, tho by not relying on him for the past year or so means he is like a bonus signing who can play pretty much anywhere in attacking midfield and more than a worthy replacement.

    My money is on Bendtner to be the striker who helps bring silverware back home. There are already signs that Arshavin cutting in from the left is combining well and developing an understanding with Bendtner.

    As for Denilson, oh my, what a player. Perhaps the most consistent in our whole squad and at 20 years of age. I predict great things for the lad and perhaps he and Song can form a great defensive duo partnership in central midfield.

    I still have faith in Diaby but he needs to shrug free from the continual niggling injuries that are hampering him. When he is on form I don’t think there is another player in our squad that has the combination of speed, power, penetration and pride that Diaby gives us. If I, a humble fan, can see this then I’m sure Wenger with all his wisdom does so too. So face the facts, he’s not gonna get sold. If ur a gooner asking for that then perhaps it’s time you fucked off and supported another club like Manchester Arab.

    WE STILL NEED COVER FOR THE ABSENCE OF SONG, TOURE AND EBOUE IN JANUARY.

  69. I know this might sound like a crazy idea, but I was just thinking about the possibility of Rosicky playing the deeper midfield role. He has a terrific work rate, has a great tackle, can hold the ball up well, is strong, and works very well with Fabregas. But then, would that put his good attacking play to waste?
    I have loved Rosicky from the day we signed him, and we have missed him sorely. It’s only when I was thinking about where we might find this “much-needed defensive midfielder”, that I thought about how awesome Rosicky is.
    Just a thought :)

  70. @Avris15

    Might just work in a four four two for those stupidly defensive teams. Then Tuck Nasri on one wing and Arshavin on the other, with RVP and Bendtner or Edu in front.

    The team would have a possession of 90% to 10%

  71. yep… I like the sound of that… we are gonna win the league

  72. am really glad rosicky and Eduardo are back…. We missed them more than ever last season especially with the loss of hleb.

  73. You think Rosicky will be converted into a defensive midfielder, as well as Vermaelen and Adebayor?

  74. Yes, it could work. Bursts from midfield scoring some peachy goals from deep – we know he can hit ‘em!
    I think it might be a worthwhile experiment. Plus, who’s to say that Vermaelen is an out-and-out defender? We might already have our defensive midfielder?

  75. i’m not getting my hopes up regarding rosicky. His injury was awful & i wouldn’t be at all suprised if he broke down again… (says the eternal pessimist)

  76. I’m not saying it WILL work. I’m just exploring the possibilities from within the club’s existing players, and think that given the opportunity to play that position, Rosicky would do well.

  77. Really?

  78. Yeah, I think so. I’m actually struggling to think of a good reason why he wouldn’t do well in that position.
    But yes, we all have reservations about how well Rosicky will do this season – it was an odd injury that he’s been battling. I just hope that he’s all the better for it, and raring to go!

  79. I can’t see it… i just don’t think he’d create enough of a wall in front of the back four… Song is our man, he’ll be a big player for us this season.

  80. http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/club-announce-21-man-squad-for-barnet-clash

    No Eduardo…but I think he was expecting to play in only one of the next three games.

  81. Slight tangent, what are the chances of AW giving Simpson more of an opportunity as opposed to signing a replacement for lazy Ade?

  82. Of course. Song, for me, has been terrific this past year, but isn’t being given enough of a chance by many fans who only see him as a squad player.
    I’m not suggesting that Rosicky WILL or SHOULD play there – I’m just toying with the idea. You can’t argue against how hard he works *cough* Adebayor *cough* and he’s not afraid to tackle hard. He’s fast too, which is always a good thing to have.

  83. What is the role of the DM to you, avaris15?

  84. 4-4-2
    So many good players!

    Persie – Eduardo
    Rosicky – Fabregas – Arshavin – Walcott
    Clichy – Vermaelen – Toure – Sagna
    Fabianski

    Subs: Almunia, Vela, Adebayor, Bendtner, Diaby,
    Song, Gallas

  85. forgot Nasri!

  86. OOU

    -Eduardo believes that his first game will be in Austria.

    “We are leaving for Bad Waltersdorf next week, on Monday. We will play two games where I should get (playing) time in one” Eduardo said.-

    http://arsenalanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/07/arsenal-very-pleased-with-eduardos.html

    So let’s wait for him one more week and then we’ll see him the whole season! (fingers and toes all crossed!!)

  87. To me? I suppose it’s kind of irrelevant what I think – I don’t pick the team :D
    However, I think that a DM must be able to give the defence confidence, have a good tackle, have a willingness to track back, and be good at passing the ball. Maybe chip in with a few goals here and there too.
    To you, Ateeb? What makes a DM? Or at least, what qualities would you like in an Arsenal DM?

  88. Rosicky’s tackling and tenacity are excellent. Rosicky could be the DM, but why when Song and Denilson are already accomplished in that role?

  89. I wonder who Bad Walter was.

  90. “…why when Song and Denilson are already accomplished in that role?”

    Because in 1997 Wenger moved Petit from centre-back to central midfield.

  91. I perhaps haven’t made it clear that I would actually be very happy with the idea of either Song or Denilson playing DM for us next season. I’m confident that both will be excellent players for Arsenal next season. I’m merely exploring the possibility of Rosicky playing the role, for when we have absentees, or for those who have suggested that Denilson or Song aren’t up to the job (which, let’s face it, is quite a few people).

  92. The problem as I understand it is that neither Song or Denilson or indeed Rosicky can bench press more than 800lbs whilst getting sent off for a wild lunge at the opposition manager’s first born in the way that say, Cana can.

  93. Keith,

    If anything you’ve just further illustrated my point- all those players are improvised wingers: RVP, Vela and Theo are strikers; Arshavin, Rosicky and Nasri are second strikers and Traore’s a full back. Only Gibbs can really claim to be a natural winger, and he’s being turned into a full back himself. By signing a natural winger it frees up those other players to be used where they are strongest and most effective instead of having to adapt to playing on the wings.

  94. How can you be so sure that Robben is a winger? Perhaps successive managers have simply played him out of position.

  95. I’ve made it through the long cold dark close season. It was close at times but I did it.

    Pre season starts tomorrow!!!

    Bloody terrorists are useless if they had waited a few hours they might have taken some of the ManU squad as well.

  96. The formation I prefer is the old 1-4-1-3-2-3.

    It has symmetry and invariably overwhelms most normal opposition.

    It an also be used as a phone number in certain countries.

  97. “Who has talked about Chamakh going to Arsenal? Journalists. These are just stories without foundation.”

    - Bordeaux chairman Jean-Louis Triaud

  98. Arsenal’s formation is a closely guarded need-to-know secret. Not even the players know what their position is until after the match.

  99. 22.5 hours to the game…

  100. robben is a whiner no doubt about that

  101. AW will not buy any wingers, but will buy like for like but like Eduardo it will probably be a an unknown. Personally i would love Huntelaar or Bolatelli because i think either are would score for fun in our team.
    I also hope the roumours of
    10m and swiss phil for Brede Hangeland are right because we badly need a decent defender to keep toure and gallas on their toes.

  102. This talk of a flipping defensive midfield player is getting on my breasts and thats a fact. Blooming annoying isn’t? I should jolly well say so. Someone is asking for their ears to be boxed.

  103. This sort of shoddy thinking regarding the formation of one’s team is becoming a trifle galling.

  104. I think we should play sort of 0-10-0.
    you put the litlle fat guy nobody likes in goal and everybody else chases the ball.
    This is the tradditional English method, played in school playgrounds up and down the country.
    Don’t want any of this foreign formation rubbish of zonally marking bits of the pitch-go for the ball!

  105. Some of our fellow supporters might feel that 9-0-1 is their preferred formation, JohnN, such is the esteem with which they hold Andrei Sergeyevich.

  106. Frank….picking the formation for your team shows that you are an Arsenal fan since 1889 and that you were friends with Chapman’s half brother who used to go to every away game on his bike.

    It’s also a test for Wenger to see if he’s awake and listening or slacking off somewhere.

  107. Loved the Sagna interview. About the Barnet game, the interviewer asks a friendly sort of question, offering up the opportunity for a friendly sort of answer, but instead….
    Interviewer: “….what’s the aim of a game like this? Just to get a run-out, get running again? get passing the ball again?
    Bac: (without missing a beat) WIN.”
    The way he answers the question without irony, without hesitation and with unequivocal intensity and pride. Check it out.

  108. Ole Gunner:

    I’m referring this to your first post. Regarding that 4-2-3-1; Wenger tried to allow his men to pressure from the front. I think if you refer back to the invincibles they were not actually pressuring but because they were free they could create the pressure. Vieira and Edu/petit/giblerto were the shield.

    Remember that Villarreal game away. Senna and Eguren were the shield. It was a 4-4-2 but the wingers had great freedom and Rossi played just behind. It was fantastic to watch even if we drew.
    If I was a coach that’s the formation I would play with the second striker kind of tracking back.

    That’s what I imagine Wenger wants but of course Fabregas is not a sitter; I would like him to dictate more and then progress forward. But with Arshavin, Rosicky and Nasri to choose from with RVP behind the forward, one may see a deadly line up. Maybe Diaby partnering Fab.

  109. Hangeland has always said he wants to stay at Fulham, and Fulham also want him to stay, so he seems an unlikely acquisition. If there are any more changes to our defence, I think Sébastien Bassong could be the man. He has said he wants to leave Newcastle, and Arsenal have apparently made enquiries about him. According to reports, Newcastle wanted £15 million, which of course is not going to happen. I expect their demands will become less exorbitant with time, as they must need money. The uncertainty over their ownership could also make a deal difficult. It is hard to tell whether the enquiries about Bassong came before or after the signing of Vermaelen. If before, it might suggest that Vermaelen was chosen in preference to him.

  110. It seems there are three possibilities for a footballer:

    1) Play without freedom
    2) Play with freedom
    3) Play with great freedom

  111. Dash it all, that is an uncommonly reasonable suggestion, Poliziano

  112. Play whilst crying freedom

  113. Poliziano

    There is now way Hangeland would stay at Fulham if we put a bid in for him.It would be football suicide

  114. arsenal v lfc,fa cup final 71 on arsenal tv right now.

  115. dave

    Hangeland previously said that he loves playing football at fulham and that he as a defender is better protected than he would be in other teams.(hint hint)… some players aren’t that good in a big team..
    just another sleazy pundit favorite..

  116. Dave,
    He’s playing regular football for his club; he has 50 international caps; he’s undoubtedly earning plenty of money. Perhaps that doesn’t seem like suicide to him.

  117. The Brain,

    Funny enough that’s exactly why Senna looks like a perfect Arsenal signing to me.

    I’m with you on 4-4-2……it’s another reason I like 4-2-3-1. We can play 4-4-2 and 4-2-3-1 with the same set of players…

    Almunia

    Sagna Toure Gallas Clichy

    Cesc Diaby

    Rosicky RVP Arshavin

    EDS

    can easily become

    Almunia

    Sagna Toure Gallas Clichy

    Rosicky Cesc Diaby Arshavin

    RVP Eduardo

  118. I want to play 6 – 9 – 14

    It would give plenty of our youth team experience at a young age and at the same time i feel we would overwhelm all opposition.

  119. What if RVP decides to chase a ball and ends yp where Rosicky was while Rosicky…………..

  120. I would teach them coded signals like in baseball Ateeb.

    Obviously.

  121. I wonder if these formations even exist except in the minds of co-commentators.

  122. I reckon mine does PZ. The co-commentator being Bobby Robson.

  123. No Qos. Signals are for dumb sportsmen, like in baseball. Never got that sports. Our players should be intelligent enough to understand the game.

    Anyone challenging my baseball comment is really going to get it tonight. It’s a DUMB sports.

  124. Baseball commentary on a hot summers night is one of my favourite things Ateeb.

  125. Sorry – thought i was Kevin Costner for a second there.

  126. Never tried that. Why would you do that to yourself?

  127. I snack on danger and dine on death.

  128. Would you like to play as a central-defender for Arsenal?

  129. My breasts are considered a disadvantage.

    Although I don’t see why – it hasn’t stopped Wayne Rooney.

  130. it amazes, how De rossi is highly rated as one of the best young central mid fielders in the world constantly compared with the likes of Gerard yet was out classed by Denilson, before De rossi was taken off for a series of hazardous tackles, whilst Denilson is only acknowledged by Arshavin and Wenger to date.
    Arshavin:
    “Denilson, In My Opinion, Was The Master of All Players”, after the Portsmouth game in which Ramsey was better garnered with praise.

  131. In football, right?

  132. Why should that be a problem? I suppose you would find it hard to control the ball on your chest.

  133. Denilson had his first season. Rossi, has been playing for a while. In a couple of years Rossi will be compared with Denilson, and fall short.

  134. Kitchen sink – too many people are taken in by reputation and lack the intelligence to think for themselves as we have seen even more in recent days.

  135. well said Ateeb

    I guess everyone will be awed when he takes his place in the yellow and blue.. I’m sure like Melo and many others his market valuation will double or triple once he takes his place in the Brazilian team..

  136. If Denilson had the kind of season he had last season, this season he’ll get the recognition he deserves.

  137. The relative lack of success of Arsenal last season has in my opinion delayed Denilson’s introduction to the Brazilian team. This season will be very different, and it won’t be long before Denilson is a regular at international level. I’m sure he’ll be in the Brazil World Cup squad.

  138. “Although I don’t see why – it hasn’t stopped Wayne Rooney.”

    When you gave birth to your son, I imagine you lost your Rooney-sized belly.

  139. very true passenal and poli.. he’s already in that squad I just feel his pain, as yet he has just watched from the bench.. what I love most about him other than his wonderful technical attributes is his will to succeed.. he just wants it so bad..

  140. Poliziano

    ‘The relative lack of success of Arsenal last season has in my opinion delayed Denilson’s introduction to the Brazilian national team’

    Don’t please yourself. He’s just not good enough. Lucas(Pool)and Anderson(Manu) are all ahead of him. Don’t blame his incapability on Arsenal’s poor season. If you’re good it doesn’t matter where you play. Wagner Love anyone? He plays in Russia.

    Denilson is just not good but for Aw’s strong-headedness; not listening to advice.

    Denilson will struggle in two years time against Coquelin, Frimpong and Ramsey because he doesn’t have the athleticism needed for that position.

    Denilson won’t be here in 2/3 years time, the competition will expose him.

  141. Denilson will be no match against Ramsey, Coquelin, Connor Henderson and Frimpong in 2/3 years time. These young players are all better technically and their athleticism are far ahead of ‘Denilson the great’

  142. Well, that one’s for the birds, what?

  143. Will you join in the celebration when we win the league this year? Will you be true to yourself, what you stood for, and how much you despised the team?

  144. yep you know it DNFTFT.
    . (I’ve heard of Anderson I think he’s that United midfielder who was bought for 18 mill but hasn’t scored a professional goal in England)

  145. Kitchen Sink

    Denilson’s technical ability? I’ve not seen him beat two defenders on the trot neither the ability to come out from tight corners.

    His poor passing ability and lack of flair and creativity was one of the reasons Arsenal played like West Ham after Fabregas got injured.
    He will never be on the bench of Pool, Manu or Chavski. His qualities don’t measure up.

  146. Who suggested Arjen Robbins? Very, very good player, but a fragile, whinging little bitch who brings an obnoxious father in tow. I think two dutch players in the same squad is a sure recipe for strife. In fact, I think that RVP might renegotiate his contract so that he bitch-slap Robbins daily if ever pulls on an Arsenal uniform…

  147. lol back to the denison debate!!!!
    What do you guys think of the inter lad Balotelli? The self proclaimed special one doesn’t get on with him, the boy has talent a the self confidence to suceed.

  148. Ole, it’s nice to see we agree again. I have argued that Senna would be the perfect signing, not least because on top his amazing attributes he is old enough to give us a couple years service but leave things open to Song or Denilson down the line. It’s also the case that his coach, Pelegrini, moved on, so there must be some uncertainty around that squad. And while we are fishing in that pond, we could try to snag Rossi as well (who despite his passport, happens to be American).

  149. patrick

    you’re wise beyond words..

  150. Silver Gunner he’s very talented but I feel he would fall behind Bentner which would pose the question of why him? when we already have promising young strikers.. If we were to buy a striker I think he would have to be very close to a finished product.

  151. Kitchen Sink

    You don’t need to score goals to become a better midfielder. Makelele and even Vieira were not good in that department but arguably the best to play in that position.

    Denilson’s weakness will be exposed when the likes of Ramsey, Wilshere, Coquelin, Lansbury, Connor Henderson and Frimpong come of age in 2/3 years time. He will face the same problem like Silvinho who was shipped away to pave way for Cashley Cole.

    He just don’t have the quality to compete with the young players coming through the academy.

    1. No aerial ability
    2. Technically average for a Brazilian
    3. No pace
    4. Easily pushed off
    5. 4/5 yards passing backwards and sideways
    6. Don’t have the confidence to pass beyond 4/5 yards
    7. Not good to fit in a counterattacking team

    Won’t make it eventually

  152. okay thanx Patrick here’s a noddy badge

  153. And look who turns up, right on cue!

  154. Kitchen Sink watching the U21 he was easily good enough but just my impression.

  155. what do you think of Cesc playing in the hole?

  156. Denilson,

    Awesome prospect. His athleticism is amazing…the boy just run and runs. His tackling technique is so good. His passing is fantastic. He can create. he can shoot. And he has character in abundance.

    Last season he didn’t hide for one minute. Some of the older players could have learnt from him. His importance to the team, and the trust his team mates place in him is to be seen in him being the player who got the most touches in the entire Premier League last season.

    What a class act. A great future in football is certain. Among his admirers are Feggerson (who tried to sign him but he preferred the might Arsenal), Paddy Vieira, Arshavin has called him a “master” in the context of one brilliant game, and Arsene Wenger can’t stop laughing at the blindies who can’t see his obvious quality.

  157. Silver Gunner he’s good very good but far from a done deal ready to terrorize the PL.. there would be three strikers ahead of him in Arsenal.. as I said, if Wenger did buy a striker it would be someone who would be in the front 3 who are Dudu RVP and Bendy (excluding Ade)

  158. This fucking hole thing?

  159. Personally, I’m not too keen on Cesc in the hole.

  160. I think he’s better as a deep lying CM – he has more influence over the game there.

  161. Why the fucking hell would a player want to play in a hole. ‘hole’, ‘defensive midfielder’…utter crap…means nothing.

  162. Ole

    I’m just glad you know I know you know ..(I swear there are plenty of Attacking midfielders who don’t score goals like Anderson)

  163. Ole Gunner

    I’ll be here to hear from you when the great ‘read my stats Denilson’ is beaten to it and shipped to his home town by the likes of Coquelin or Frimpong in the DM or CM position in 2/3 years time.

    Arsenal dropped when Flamini left the position for Denislon.

    Cesc has also campaigned for an improvement in the middle of the park. So it’s clear that the great stats man don’t have what it takes to hold on to help us win things.

  164. In the words of my great predecessors , Fuck off Patrick..

  165. Denilson is a fantatsic prospect as we all know. There is much to learn but his frame is the only reason why he isn’t getting the respect he deserves.
    He is fantastic positionally; something which is becoming a lost art frankly. Teams are going for power and players doing functional jobs, the latter which Denilson is doing but lacking the former.

    Those infamous stats I collated last season: http://arsenalcolumn.wordpress.com/2009/05/31/denilson-has-risen-from-the-shadows-to-take-centre-stage/

  166. We wasted the whole day. Couldn’t aggree on formation, tactics, or which player to play in which position. Another day loss. And tommorow is the first game!!

  167. Interesting article ‘The Brain’. Denilson didn’t have the luxury of playing in a midfield with Cesc/Hleb and Rosicky to make him look good. Fortunately, the only man whose opinion matters is AW and he ‘knows everything’ as Andrey told us yesterday!

  168. brain

    nice review
    would love to see one comparing him to the leagues top players in his role as he completed more tackles than marscherano and more passes than alonso..

  169. Ateeb, save your breathe you know how stubborn Arsene is, he will not listen anyway even though you probably always win on Championship Manager with all your wise buys and sound tactics! English is Andrey’s second language and maybe he actually meant to say that Arsene ‘knows nothing’!

  170. When Denilson wins a trophy with Arsenal people like Patrick might finally fuck off…sooner. rather. than. later.

  171. ‘This hole thing boss what do I do?’
    ‘You receive the ball, control it, look up again, take on a player OR pass the ball OR shoot, stupid!’
    ‘Bit like I do on the left wing, right wing, up front, back a bit, left a bit, right a bit….that sort of thing, Boss?’
    ‘Yep’
    ‘So how many holes are there on a pitch then, Boss’
    ‘Loads, now are you going to fucking shut up or do you want to play in Manchester?…for ever!

  172. 18 hours to Pre-season

    And now Ade to Chel$ki…I’m starting to think this is a conspiracy by Ade/Wenger to make every club in the league think Ade will sign for them until it’s too late for them to sign any strikers?

    Liverpool is next…

  173. I think the hole would be a good position for Patrick.

  174. F*ck Off Howard…No YW hugs for you either.

  175. I second that Poliziano – let’s put it to the vote!

  176. ‘So which hole do you want me to play in then, Boss?’
    ‘I don’t fucking know, the shit hole as far as I care, ask Alan Hansen, Graham Taylor, arseholes like that…oh there’s another one…play in the arshole’
    ‘This Manchester thing, Boss…possibility?’

  177. The official stats are Denilson had the most touches. Alonso made the most passes. Mascherano had a up and down start to the Prem but was pretty consistent then. I don’t have the stats where he ended up in the tackling charts at the moment but Cattermole came top.

    Recently sarcasm has been lost on me and there seems to be an awful lot of sarcasm recently.

  178. the brain

    alonso
    Total Passes 2482
    Acc. Passes 2076

    denilson

    Total Passes 2535
    Acc. Passes 2204

    the telegraph player statistics has the rest of the stats if you want.. his also look better than barry carrick and who ever else..

  179. Kitchen Sink,

    Passes made by Denilson do not count. Passes made by any other player not only count but only serve to prove Denilson is crap.

  180. ole

    I guess that follows along the lines of goals against derby don’t count and other new age theorems ..lol

  181. You’re a fast learner KS! You’re however getting too much insight into the antigoon mind….be careful!

  182. Also all of Denilsons passes are sideways or to a teammate in trouble. Every single one. That’s 2076 times he played a teammate into trouble.

  183. QoS,

    And opposition players like giving the ball to Denilson. It’s his good looks. They can’t resist. And somehow they keep stumbling and leaving the ball at his feet so he never actually makes a tackle.

    Funny things happen around Denilson.

  184. ‘Alright, Boss, I can tell from your sneering,snide remarks that you think I am thick’
    ‘Yep’
    ‘But this defensive midfield thing..what do I do?
    ‘Well you receive the ball, control it, look up again, take on a player OR pass the ball OR shoot, and sometimes you tackle a player, win the ball that sort of thing,stupid’
    ‘Bit like left midfield, right midfield, middle midfield, in the hole, sorry…..that sort of thing?’
    ‘Yep’
    ‘What do we use all these fucking names for, Boss?…we all do the same thing’
    ‘Ah now…maybe you can stay’

  185. 16 hours…..

  186. Naah…15…

  187. I am getting too excited about this upcoming season.

    Question: Name another soccer squad in memory that can best 10 top quality creative and attacking players with a higher aggregate score:

    5 = World Class (Top 50 player)
    4 = World Class Potential (Top 200 player)
    3 = International Class (Top 500 player)

    Arshavin

  188. [...] Andrei Joins Cesc On The Arsenal Love Train Tell all the folks in Russia… He might be off to Manchester today for a medical. Hold on, we have been here [...] [...]

  189. sorry-mishit ‘enter’

    Arshavin 5
    Fabregas 5
    Van Persie 5
    Rosicky 4 (potential to be a 5)
    Eduardo 4 (potential to be a 5)
    Nasri 4
    Walcott 3
    Bendtner 3
    Vela 3
    Adebayor’s replacement 3 (at a minimum)

    Total Aggregate Score 39

    Not the most scientific, but I can’t see many if any teams with the attacking and creative depth that we have.

    Compare with our Invincibles:

    Pires 5
    Ljunberg 5
    Vieira 5
    Henry 5
    Bergkamp 5
    Edu 3
    Wiltord 3
    Kanu 3
    Parlour 3
    Aliadiere 2

    Aggregate 39

    The difference though is that Vieira and Parlour can hardly be counted as attacking, creative players as their primary function was anything but that. As an attacking force, and for sheer variety and depth, the current team shades it.

    While The Invincibles have 3 of the top 5 creative players overall (I would list them as Bergkamp, Henry, Pires, Arshavin and Fabregas), the current team would be less affected by injuries due to depth. Many people overlook how fortunate Arsenal were in 2003-2004 with relatively few injuries.

    That’s not to say the 03-04 wouldn’t beat the current team at least 7 times out of 10-I think they would. But this year, I really think we have a remarkable creative and attacking group of players.

    So Arsene, let’s just spend all that extra money on a monster to play alongside Cesc (or even an 03-04 Gilberto-type will do)

  190. lagooner – Gilberto was a monster. Broke up opposition play, provided excellent protection to the defence, was awesome defending set pieces especially in the air and got a superb amount of goals for a “non attacking” player. Denilson and Song have a lot to live up to. If only we had a truly great manager to guide them.

  191. Marc-agree on Gilberto. Couldn’t disagree more on Wenger. I’m in the ‘god knows where we would be without him’ group

  192. We have heard it all now-After taking 80k a week off us Ade wants to screw the club for a 2m “Loyalty” bonus. Loyalty he couldnt spell the word.Once again his only motive is money

  193. 09 hours to pre-season…

  194. And dave – where did you read that, why did you decide to believe it and even if it were true why use pejorative terms like screwing us when we would merely be honouring a players contract?

  195. Exactly steww – it’s absolutely appalling the way the mob mentality has taken over in regards to this player. He hasn’t actually done anything wrong other than agitate for a pay rise with less than subtle shenanigans. He didn’t meet anyone for ice cream the night before a CL quarter final, neither did he meet with one of our main rivals in a hotel room while under contract. So why does he generate such hatred? He’s about to leave, which is what the haters want, so they should be glad and STFU because I’m sure we’re all sick of hearing their b*tching!


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