Posted by: Yogi's Warrior | July 8, 2009

Pre-Season Training, Transfer Ins & Outs And Am I Lachter Intolerant?

You know that Football is coming home when pre-season training begins and very reassuring it was too that Rosicky and Eduardo were amongst those participating. The official site has the photos here but then you knew that anyway, didn’t you. It might help with a wider screen in some instances which begs the question as to which of our ’stars’ has been fiddling with their scales at home. Still the fines for returning overweight will no doubt be beneficial to whichever charity receives such largesse.

Away from the business end of football, the sweet smell of the countryside surrounds the latest transfer talk. At least the rich farmyard aromas anyway. The cries for a defensive midfielder have gone unheeded since Felipe Melo signed for Juventus which is nice for him. Fiorentina’s motives for announcing on their website that Arsenal were the only club to have bid for his services, are now apparent since they wanted to flush out the Juve offer.

Not entirely sure why anyone would ask Denis Lachter’s opinion since he is no longer Andrei Arshavin’s agent. Well he says he is, despite acknowledging receipt of the letter terminating his services and it seems he is not letting go of his little cash cow without a fight.  In the best pantomime traditions, an exchange between himself and the media ensued.  Spanish radio station COM Radio got the ball rolling with an apparent interview with Lachter in which he said:

Before anything else, Barcelona should make a formal offer. Then we can sit down and speak.

Playing once again on the 50% tax rate, Lachter it appears, is doing all that he can to agitate a move for his former client. But wait a moment, Denis donned his Widow Twanky gear and bleated, “Oh no I didn’t” when pushed on whether he had said anything. Personally, I am one of those in the audience shouting back, “Oh yes you did” since in his dealings with Eastern European Arsenal players, his track record is not good. Lachter, you may recall since I continually remind you, was one of those agents involved in agitating Alexander Hleb out of the club. It was probably his idea to come up with the lame excuse that London was too busy and noisy whilst Barcelona is a nice, quiet rural location. “Oh, no I didn’t“…

FIFA regulations specifically deal with situations such as this and were Arsenal to complain, Lachter may find himself permanently unemployed as a football agent. However, Arsenal has little history in making formal complaints to FIFA despite numerous instances of tapping up by other clubs in the past so action seems unlikely in this instance. Even when denying the story, Lachter was disingenuous, denying contact with Barcelona but not the radio station.

Elsewhere, Arseblog carries an interview with Ivan Gazidis that re-affirms the Board’s commitment with the self-sustaining business model. The transcript is here. Gazidis did not tread new ground but did a good job, I thought, of re-emphasising that there is not going to be a bank-busting deal this summer but also that potential needs to be turned to reward.

The usual spin surrounds Philippe Senderos is catching the eye of Bordeaux whilst Peter Crouch is poking Arsene in the eye with a sharp stick to remind him to look closer to home for a replacement for Emmanuel Adebayor if he goes. OK, so I made the last bit up but hey, everyone else does so why should I be left out?

’til Tomorrow.


Responses

  1. Frank,

    To wake up your point from the previous thread and offer a different perspective to your condemnation of Arseblogger:

    Arseblogger has been writing a blog everyday of his life since 2002.
    His blog is, and has always been, an unapologetic shrine to AFC borne from his complete love of the club.

    During that time, his blog has developed, from just a daily bulletin to also providing podcasts, the Friday Arsecast and twitter updates with an abrasive cocktail of wit and humour that give insightful opinions of all things Arsenal.

    Not only that, but he has opened the blog to support and give a voice to other bloggers including YW, Goodplaya, East Lower as well as getting contributions from people like Ray Parlour, Philippe Auclair and, of late, Ivan Gazidis.

    His blog has been nothing short of an unmitigated success borne from plain hard work and his dedication to AFC and the fact the Gazidis has taken the time to give him an exclusive interview, should be seen by all bloggers, as a step forward, a form of recognition.

    At AFC, as with any club, there will always be players who divide opinion. Ade is one such player. Arseblogger has always given Ade steadfast support but, like a lot of fans, that confidence has been eroded by Ade’s poor attitude on the field as well as the inconsistent statements made by him and his agent while lifting his skirt in the direction of other clubs.

    Now, unlike the arseblogger comments section, I contribute to the comments section of this blog, because I like the diverse, intelligent and eclectic contributions made by most.

    I do this Frank, despite the way you habitually tell people to “Fuck Off”, if their opinion does not coincide with yours or despite the manner in which some people can be conveniently pigeon holed into the “Doomer” category for offering any kind of critical and substantiated analysis of all things Arsenal – but I guess it takes all types to make this wonderful world, and blog, go around.

    Arsebloggers pisstake on Ade provides one side of the fans opinion. There is of course an other side. Rags like the Mirror and the Sun will always accentuate the worst for the sake of sensation. They need no encouragement. To suggest that Arsebloggers contribution is on par with the tabloids, given his history and the fact that his opinion is informed and substantiated, or as your colourfully put it “Who needs tabloids when we have you” or “Fucking hate Adebayor he’s African, got too much money and talks differently to me” is to apply your usual, fascist “Victor Meldrew” logic to the scenario Frank, putting 1 and 1 together, to get 47.

    Arsene has categorically stated that Ade’s behaviour has destabilised the club and of late, has squarely laid the clubs stance at Ade’s feet saying that it was up to him as to what he wanted. Nevertheless, we have been fed the usual inconsistent rants from Ade’s agent and the players silence on the matter alone, speak volumes as far as I’m concerned. The only person responsible for the ill will being directed at Ade, is the player himself and the disgraceful way he and his agent have behaved and treated the club and its fans, despite his salary rise and the faith Arsene has shown in him. Irrespective of what side of the argument you come down on, to blame Arseblogger for this is devoid of any rational perspective and is disingenuous to say the least.

  2. first ???

    wow i never come first …

    So thought we would sign Melo and I could stop speculating.. Back to square 1 now.. I just wish we would sign some DM (anybody even Muamba) soon and end this agony.. Cant refresh Newsnow 300 times a day..

  3. 3rd?

  4. second!
    really good blog. P,Please can we have a, hard as nails dm in place before the start of the season

  5. Your last paragraph says it all, Joe.

    To blame Arseblog is to blame the author and publisher of the anti-Arsenal player material which appeared in the tabloids. That is hardly disingenuous.

  6. Joe, congratulations on the longest ever first post on any Arsenal blog comments section – and spot on in your defence of Arseblogger.

  7. Joe,

    Arsebloger is entitled to his opinion but his position also demands responsibility. He should be more discrete with the way he expresses it and should think about the broader repercussions of his expressions on the general mood of the supporters and general interests of our beloved club. I realize that making such a brochure is hard work and time consuming but all he has earned by devoting his energy and time is to earn shame for the club he claims to support.

  8. You see Joe, whether you hate me or my comments is not relevant is it? Clearly we don’t share the same sense of humour.

    When you are posting in public you need to get behind the manager and players. Simple as that. If you don’t you are doing the tabloids job for them.

  9. http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/van-persie

    Excellent news

  10. FWIW

    To be honest, the Mirror piece was just sniping on their part, jealousy getting the better of what is frankly a piss poor excuse for a journalist.

    The Adebayor brochure was harmless fun. If others want to build it into something more, let them. Like all comedy, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.

    With anything though, the subject matter is core to it all. Adebayor polarises opinion like no other. If he had been popular across the board, then the brochure would have been seen for what it was: a joke. However, since Adebayor has his detractors, it has moved onto a different level.

    Blogging gives a voice to those with whom we would not necessarily agree. Surrounding a football club, there have always been people who complain and moan. There always will be. That is the nature of the beast.

    As far as Arseblogger goes, he has been nothing but encouraging, even from Day 1 of this blog and as far as I have encountered, a bloody nice bloke.

    YW

  11. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/arsenal/5775991/Arsenal-fans-compile-joke-brochure-to-aid-Emmanuel-Adebayor-sale.html

    Now who says that the blogs do not affect the players.

  12. Just because you have a substantiated view that Ade has taken the club for a ride does not mean you are anti-arsenal or anti -african for that matter, as you have tried to represent.

    To make those accusations about someone who has practically dedicated a better part of his life to writing a blog about AFC is absolutely wrong of you.

    I’d like to think most genuine Arsenal fans have enough intelligence to make up their own minds without having to rely on the usual shit thats printed in tabloid rags.

  13. Arseblog’s Ade brochure was tabloid stuff. I don’t know what Joe here is on about.

    Frank is right. That comment from Joe is completely disingenious. The conclusion Joe’s chosen from what he himself lays out is laughable.

  14. Yogi where did my post go..

  15. Barney

    It’s there.

    YW

  16. Very diplomatic, YW

    The point though is to what extent blogs and tabloids have a tendency to merge. Negative blogs and their comments have a tendency to undermine support. Our support is poor…and it goes well beyond the usual moans and groans of ‘Fever Pitch’ days, because this medium, the one we are using has the potential to amplify dissatisfaction.

  17. Mean

    Fuck me. Rehashing a Mirror article in The Telegraph shows how low both have stooped (or does it mean The Mirror improved?).

    Do we seriously believe the players read the blogs? Maybe they do occasionally but I doubt anyone of them is a regular contributor anywhere.

    YW

  18. Robin after signing his new contract said:

    “My heart is with Arsenal and I just can’t picture myself in a different shirt. I just can’t see it now because I love this Club so much. If you look at the last five years, look at the steps I have made every season, if you look at the support the Boss and the whole Club gave me, the fans gave me, my team mates gave me – this is the right decision.”

    WE LOVE YOU TOO ROBIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  19. The problem is not the players reading the blog. It is the groundswell of dissatisfaction that permeates the stadium on matchdays.

  20. Joe, the comment to which you refer was aimed at LeGrove. It is clearly stated. Perhaps your dislike of me interferes with your reading faculties.

  21. To pick up the thread from earlier this morning on yesterday’s post, you said it yourself Serk, I doubt that they are intelligent enough to be converted. We have been here before.

    These are, in the main, weak people, followers who are only comfortable running with the pack. A pack has only one leader, brighter, stronger than the rest. It is those leaders that need to be sorted out.

    They have vested interests in this, be it money, prestige, being ‘big’ men, or ambition. I doubt that they even believe most of what they post. Their interest lies in manipulating others. If they are Arsenal fans, that comes second to their main agenda.

    As regards Arsebloggers’ record, he is, I am sure is a nice bloke, he is also damaging our club.

  22. Joe take a look at Mean Lean’s link…. this is the why some fans saw that brochure as unnaceptable. Why would we want to put something out there that can easily be used against us. That is not harmless fun in any light you put it.

    I like Arseblogg, i enjoy reading his blogg, i liked his podcasts, but like anything that grows into something better and bigger becomes more commercially aware. He is Arsenal through and through, there is no doubt about it… but there is other incentives for his site, that is to gain a wider audience. So making a brochure for Ade may have been a funny and commercial ploy to get a few more clicks…. it wasnt made on best interests of AFC or Ade.

    If you cant see that and you are blinded my the effects of these little “harmless” jokes you will only learn when more and more players leave.

  23. Dead right Frank!

    Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal

  24. Robin Van Persie

    “My heart is with Arsenal and I just can’t picture myself in a different shirt. I just can’t see it now because I love this Club so much. If you look at the last five years, look at the steps I have made every season, if you look at the support the Boss and the whole Club gave me, the fans gave me, my team mates gave me – this is the right decision.”

    To all you RvP haters, you know who you are, the ones who doubted his commitment… does this say enough i wonder

  25. Spot on Chris. I’m with Frank all the way on this one. With us or against us. Simple.

  26. Ole

    Sorry mate, didnt see you posted it already

  27. Consolbob, all we have to do is support, anything that leans towards creating hate or an agenda against our players/manager or club is not welcome.

    It is pretty simple, yet some fans feel they have the right to say or slate who they want. These fans just havn’t learnt how to support their team yet.

  28. Frank

    I was not being diplomatic earlier. This response is general, not directed at you personally. That’s me being diplomatic.

    There are those who choose to support through thick and thin but these days, that is decried as accepting mediocrity. Apparently, unless you are a whinging git when the team does not win the title, you are not a true supporter. Expressing dissent is the new benchmark. There is a time and a place for dissension but frankly, I do not believe it is not now.

    Having been through the dark days of the 70s & 80s – and I know others on here went through the 60s: I didn’t. At that time, all I cared about was where a clean nappy and where my next meal was coming from – the current era is a great one to be an Arsenal fan. If Wenger & co get it right now, the future is indeed exceptionally bright.

    Personally, I have always found that players respond to encouragement far better than beration. That’s my view in work and at leisure.

    When something is supposed to be enjoyment means that you spend most of the time being miserable, give it up or change your perspective.

    Life is too fucking short and there are bigger problems than the size of Arsene’s transfer kitty.

    YW

  29. I used to frequent Gunnerblog and really felt he was a decent Gooner. Never jerkin a knee, always looking for the positives… Howver, he has done down the slippery pole to the dark saide and after a few rants at him, have completely f*cked his site off….

    As for Arseblog, he is funny and witty most of the time, but on occasion does veer towards the negative, although i do think he is one of the better bloggers out there, i have challenged him a few times as well, but to me, he is a real Gooner and loves the club, we aint all gonna agree with everything ANYONE says, the Ade brochure, ahich i havent seen is a case in point and as i havent seen it, i can’t really comment. The fact the M*rror have made it into a negative thing is no surprise given their spud leanings!

  30. Frank,

    I always tell you that you focus so much on your self, you forget that the world doesn’t revolve around you. BTW

    Frank anytime you say anything in public, it can be used against you. it doesn’t matter if its on arsenal.com or on BBC or wherever. Some hack somewhere can hack and warp it and twist it and come out with a headline: FRANK IS A LITTLE GIRL

    If anything is said with good intention, but it is not used with good intention, you can’t blame the one who said it. the Ade magazine was a joke. If someone takes it seriously, their loss.

    How many times is Cesc misquoted? How many times are fake news spread over the internet? Who ever wants to take that in bad blood their loss.

    But to castigate a site just coz it has sharp humor is lame. If you don’t get a joke, one that others are rolling in laughter on the ground over, please don’t blame the jokester. Maybe there is something wrong with your sense of humor

  31. The brochure was wrong, and this for someone who wants to see the back of Adebayor. Now he will feel the fans don’t want him and the other players will think “who’s next?”.

  32. YW

    You never know… put yourself in a player’s shoes. Your team mates have been booed, moaned and slated…. would you be tempted to go online and see what the fans think of you as well??

    Players have come out and said before they check the internet all the time, maybe Wenger should ban them

  33. Wooo Hooo!

    RvP sings! Yesssss!

    Now, that IS something to be happy about!

    Never doubted him though, you just have to listen/read what he says about the club…

    I remember him after the Emirates Cup 2 seasons ago, his comments were absholutely fantashtic! For shure!

  34. You are off the pace AK.

  35. Chris

    If players are looking online, I would hope that they have the intelligence to look at several sites rather than taking on board just one.

    YW

  36. Consolsbob

    Well said @ 10.37.

    YW

  37. YW;

    Thats it as far as I am concerned… There are far far far bigger things to worry/moan about than anything Arsenal do or dont do…

    Sure, they may not win something for a while, but in the big scheme of things…. Jeeez! Is it really worth getting one’s undercrackers in a tangle???

  38. Arseblogger is like an unfaithful husband, in my opinion. I’m sure he is a bloody nice bloke, especially to his many mistresses; but just because he sleeps in his own wife’s bed 4 nights a week, it doesn’t make him a good husband.

  39. One way or another, these little jokes – brochures etc… the players will see or hear of them. Our mood and attitude towards our players in my view is vital in pushing the team to new heights.

    It is a team, and in any sport a team needs support, especially during hard times. Theres no point in just supporting Arsenal for the matches we are winning, its the other tricky games where defences are harder to unlock where they need us even more. The Big Top 4 games, local derby’s, relegation scrappers… the lot. Our support should be there to push our team no matter what.

    That is what i expect from the fans next season, i hope alot of fans have learnt from their mistakes so we can move forward.

  40. People aren’t still talking about the Adebayor brochure are they? By kicking up a fuss over nothing it makes it into a big deal

  41. Then perhaps you can become a big deal one day, Ron.

  42. Poliziano

    Very very true… i have the same opinion of Arseblogger

    He is funny, maybe a good bloke, but when you take the piss out of our own players on the odd occasion…. (like you said – sleep around) lol… it dont make him a good supporter. Those times he slated his own team, and promoted neagtivity and discrmination towards the team and certain players cannot be brushed aside.

  43. If any player wears the Arsenal badge, we all support him. Lauren went through a major dip in form, being turned in and out by Joe Cole in The Champions League. We supported him. None of us wanted to see Lunjberg go. Everyone once in a while gets a dip in form. But for the simple reason that they have the arsenal badge on their chest we support them.

    But support does not mean that we turn a blind eye when they are strolling on the pitch and we are loosing to Hull.

    I love Ade. I hate his new attitude. I though the mag was funny.

  44. RontheGoon

    People arent still trying to stick up for those who make jokes out of our club and players are they???

    Whats your excuse today

  45. Would any of you on this blog find it funny if the brochure was about Cesc? If there was a load derogatory comments about him and his playing style. And the over all message was that Barca or Real were welcome to him. Would that be humorous? Funny? Just a joke?

    Or would that be damaging to the club? Would that ridicule one of our own players? Put a rift between the player and the fans?

    It’s utterly irrelevant where the brochure has come from, or if the person who wrote it is the biggest Arsenal fan. The only important thing is the effect that it has on the club, the player and his relationship with the fans. There is a saying about the road to hell being paved on good intentions. Or maybe just comments and actions that weren’t thought out very well.

  46. arsenalkabisa

    Funny?? I dont think Ade will find it funny knowing that his fans and team mates are laughing at him. Is funny being pushed out of the club…. what is wrong with you

  47. The brochure was pointless, and disrespectful to Arsenal, to Ade, and it just shows that Arseblogger will try to humiliate any of our players. What sort of support is that?

  48. And if you find Arseblogger offensive, why read it? IF you find the Sun offensive why read it. We all become what we read. It Shapes our opinions.

    I read Arsebloger for its wit, i read ACLF for its sobriety, different blogs for different reasons…

  49. I am beginning to think that you are a bit of a twat, arsenalkabisa.

  50. @ Frank,

    you are entitled to your opinions. Same way I am to mine.

    Some jokes backfire, some jokes only half the audience gets, but that doesn’t negate the fact that it was a joke.

    Arsebloger’s mistake was not giving out a universal joke – one that would make Frank laugh with glee.

    Its dark humor that one. If you want to take it seriously, your loss. If you want to use it as concrete evidence that arsenal fans hate Ade your loss.

    The true fans know that we love him to bits. If i meet a Manwanker and he showed me that article i will have his head. Just because i know its source, and that i was a jest.

  51. arsenalkabisa

    I personally don’t read Arseblogger. I don’t want to. But this isn’t about that. This is about the effect that arseblogger has on the many thousands of fans that do read that blog. I’ve already made a comment about this that I feel explains it quite concisely. So I’ll copy and paste it for it you:

    Agreed Frank. They don’t understand the damage they are doing. They don’t even see that they are an integral component of the machinations against Arsenal.

    “But it’s just a blog”, “I’m only giving my opinion”, “It’s not like I actually booed one of our players”, “I wasn’t one of those people that wanted Wenger out”.

    No. But you gave them a voice. You gave them belief. Not just in themselves but in the idea that they weren’t alone. That there were others just like them. Thinking the same thoughts. Feeling the same things. And consensus more than made up for righteousness. The sheep are merely sheep. They merely followed. But your actions; your words; your ideas; they were the evil little seeds for all that has unfolded.

    The worst thing is that I’m not sure that they have the intelligence to ever understand all of this.

  52. Superficial, unintuitive, selective reader, arsenalkabisa. In your case that is what twat means.

  53. You are a fool, arsenalkabisa. Arsebloggers mistake was to dis a player in public and it got picked up in public. This has nothing to do with humour. Please get with the game you fucking sluggard.i

  54. Joe.YW
    If the Mirror (and now Telegraph too) calling Adebayor ” Arsenal fan’s number 1 hate figure” and backing it up with the mock brochure then Arseblog is taking part in what it is a wrong representation of me and thousands others.I’m an Arsenal fan and Ade is not my hate figure. Ok you can say Arseblog is not responsible for what the Mirror write but he started the whole shit in the first place. You can go on about how Arseblog saved Arsenal from relegation or whatever in reality Arseblog is a mere scavenger feeding off the Arsenal name.They want more hits to feed their greed with the money they get from posting adds on their site, more hits more money and that what matters to Arseblog not Arsenal.

  55. I have to say, arsenalkabisa. Your point about being entitled to your opinion is precisely why democracy in its purist form cannot work. Many people have your inability to read and interpret and as a result their ability to form an opinion is severely impaired.

  56. @serk,

    So what about the other sheep that just reads “we lacked bite in the final third” “the dog ate my homework” “the team has learned its lessons” “am working late” “we lost focus defensively”

    Out there there are many positive things that are written, and there are many negative things that are written. Both may not be true. Its the work of the reader to use discernment to know what is beneficial and what is not.

    The sheep that you talk about – they might as well believe that we are going for a double swoop of iniesta and Xavi (just because its positive news?).

    Their loss. We all are what we read.

  57. Oh dear oh dear oh dear

  58. arsenalkabisa,

    All this talk about sheep will endear you to the LG faithful. Fried Cheese would be proud of you.

  59. @Frank,

    have you noticed you don’t have a convincing argument, but a lot of name calling? A fool i may be, but please spare me the game you talk about that i will have to say no to. I know what i see on the pitch.

    And as my opinions are not so worthwhile, can we now safely presume that i should take some of you Superior opinions?

    I know that song and Denilson both had a screamer of a season, i know that Almunia did too. I know that by his standards Ade didn’t have such a good season. i would die with that. As i say its my opinion.

    1LC

    Exactly. The true fans will know that Mag is crap. Who do they think they will convince with that crap? The Spuds – they hate us already and it wouldn’t matter anyways. The Mancs? they have no love for us? ARSEMATES? we love Ade to bits and don’t believe in that Mag crap?

    The writers loss.

  60. What did you think of the in-stadium support last season, arsenalkabisa?

  61. @Frank.

    You want my opinion now?

  62. No you fool, I am trying to take you back to the basic probelm. The one at the heart of this discussion. A discussion which has been raging on this site for the best part of a year and has caused a number of supporters including myself to rail against people who we have branded ‘doomers’.

  63. @Frank then why should you ask for my opinion if you dont want it?

    There are two extremes. there are those who see it as empty (Doomers) There are those who see it as full (Paradisiacs)

    I am not in any of those categories. I am a realist

  64. arsenalkabisa,

    The doomer’s think they are realists too. Almost everybody does. Its called self righteousness.

  65. Arsenalkabisa are you saying that it’s the job of the reader to decipher what’s valuable, beneficial, righteous and what is not. Is that what you meant?

  66. Arsene Wenger:

    “There is intelligence and stupidity. Stupidity is just louder”

    Unfortunately this seems to hold true for Arsenal fans and especially when the tabloids get a whiff of it.

    The way it panned out, especially in light of Ade’s plea for support on footy-focus, that brochure looks very stupid and unhelpful. May have been a joke, he is usually very sharp and enjoyable, but this one got away.

    What the team does not need at the start of this new season is ill-will, negativity, and being undermined for last season. They should be entirely focussed, determined, and positive. Anything we as fans can do to help in the effort that began yesterday to win the premier league we should do. However it was intended, being run in the papers that brochure did the opposite of that.

    I hope all preseason rings out with Ade’s song, just as the emirates did for arsene at the last home game.

  67. @Frank

    Agree with you. Everyone does. Its called self righteousness. But its doesn’t change the fact of what is really happening.

    You can be very positive, or very negative, or you can go above that and see what the problem is, and try to rectify it.

    Wenger has that. The ability of not confusing Ade with Pele, but also of not confusing Ade with Rebrove, Jeffers or Boogers

    You my friend don’t have that.

  68. @Alex

    Agree with you. Everyone does. Its called self righteousness. But its doesn’t change the fact of what is really happening.

    You can be very positive, or very negative, or you can go above that and see what the problem is, and try to rectify it.

    Wenger has that. The ability of not confusing Ade with Pele, but also of not confusing Ade with Rebrove, Jeffers or Boogers

    You my friend don’t have that.

  69. @ Chrisgoona, It was just a silly joke by a dedicated Arsenal fan. He didn’t force anyone to read it. This reaction borders on the ridiculous

  70. Since when is is ok to be so po-faced about football?
    Lighten up, it’s a game, ok, a game that we all love,
    noone should have this as a priority in life, this game lifts us from the mundane day to day happenings of life. They’re on their side we on ours.
    There’s nothing better then on a saturday afternoon telling your spud or manc mate that he’s talking bollocks.

  71. arsenalkabisa,

    I can distinctly sense it. I am in the presence of greatness.

  72. RontheGoon

    It was a silly joke that has lead many thousands of readers to again have a pop at an Arsenal player.

    That is not tolerated.

    arsenalkabisa

    You say Franks arguements are weak and he just insults you, well my friend he has every right to. Any Arsenal fan that comes along and tries to justify somebody for slagging off a player deserves to be treated like shi*. I dont know why Frank has the time of day for you to be honest.

  73. When I first read the brochure i laughed my guts out.. It was good fun..

    How come we didnt argue about this when it was first posted?? We are only arguing becoz it was brought out by a tabloid into the open and they have painted it in a negative light..

    From when did tabloids start picking up pieces from blogs ??How come no tabloid picks up any of the good things ?? What if the mirror hadnt brought it up at all ?? So is it the fault of the blogger or the tabloids ??

    I think you guys are reading too much into this.. Its not that I am favor of the arseblogger but Humor is limitless as long as there is no intent..

  74. @Serk

    Exactly.

    Every reader should use their discernment in what they read.

    We know Ade’s attributes. When someone maligns Ade, we don’t go jumping into the maligning wagon. We are above that, coz we see him play week in week out.

  75. Arsenalkabisa,

    You remind me of Morpheus. What is this truth you speak of? What is “really happening”?

    The matrix has blinded me all my life.

  76. Arsenehollis

    I prefer Einstein:

    Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the the universe

    YW

  77. @Wonderboy

    We live, eat, sleep, work, football

    @Alex

    That must be Frank. Not I.

  78. The brochure was bollocks designed to give the average reader a little laugh. It wasnt a brochure designed to give Arsenal fans any insightful information. It has been turned into a public opinion that all Arsenal fans hate Ade, this idea was around from before and we are now seen as the worst supporters. Those that back these acts of idiocy, you are the ones labelled as the supporters who cant support, not the rest of us, you are just giving us a bad name. This is why we slag u cun*s off.

    I dont know how many others wish Ade to leave, because for me i hope wenger does everything to convince him to stay. He is our fittest, strongest, and probably most reliable striker in the squad. For all RvP’s brilliance, he is more suspect to niggly injuries. Ade will provide us a 30+ goal proven striker who will last the course. Those trying to drive him away or anyone else need to wake up and really question their support for this great club.

  79. @ Yogi

    “Do we seriously believe the players read the blogs? Maybe they do occasionally but I doubt anyone of them is a regular contributor anywhere.”

    In some cases I would agree with you, but you would expect men of 18+ to want to know what others think of you, especially your own fans.

    When not training or playing matches these men often have plenty of time of their hands and the Internet is massive now, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if many of the Arsenal squad read what is written about them from blogs.

    Arseblog is probably the most well known as well.

    I am sure many if not all will say that they do not read the press or the internet but they would say that. If I was a professional footballer, which I obviously decided not to be *sticks tongue in cheek* then I would 100% be looking out for what is being said of me, perhaps that would be my ego getting in the way but I am certain that many think along the same lines as I do.

    Not that I am suggesting that what Arseblog did was either right or wrong, I am just arguing the point that players do not read what fans say.

  80. arsenalkabisa

    It’s not about you. This is bigger than you, or me or any individual. It’s about the entire fan base and how they are affected by such things. And in turn how they treat the club and players. Don’t you think that if you have the ear of many Arsenal fans then you have the responsibility to try and LEAD them to a more productive and positive mentality?

    You can’t just say “oh well, this reader didn’t get that it was a joke. His loss”. No. He’s still there, in the stadium, in the pub after work, and at the end of the phone in some radio phone-in. And he’s spreading that same sh!t everywhere he goes and speaks and makes his opinion heard.

    This is the real problem. Not anyone’s sense of humour.

  81. bops

    Good fun at the expense of Arsenal, our fans credability, and Ade. Was the laugh worth the trouble, tell me please?

  82. Joe, Arsenalkabisa etc – You are either utterly naive or complete fools. So Arseblogger is the #1 Arsenal blogger read by thousands with undoubted influence on the fan base; has for the past two years repeatedly and consistently published a drip-drip of negative comments about Adebayor despite the fact he is our most productive striker and unlike Hleb and Flamini did not leave the club for more money; culminates the drip-drip with his infamous brochure; notoriety enhanced by scooping an interview with Gazidis; culminates with the tabloids and mainstream media giving his blog credibility for calling Adebayor ” Arsenal fan’s number 1 hate figure.”

    So it is all good fun; publicly dissing certain players for Arsenal FC. Well Arseblogger (and his pals Gunnerblog, Goodplaya et al) did the same to Eboue for the past two years that culminated in that infamous booing at the Emirates. No connection eh?

    They are all Arsenal fans you say but Arseblogger et al now have a vested interest in becoming like the tabloids since he went commercial at oleole.com. Maybe you are unaware that he is locked in competition with LeGrove for the same type of audience; go read Geoff’s allegations that the hits are computer generated. No connection eh.

    As someone said Ablogger is nothing more than an unfaithful husband who professes love for his wife (childhood sweetheart, that sort of thing) but now sleeps around like a gigolo. Pretty soon the wife is going to wake up and find out that he is simply a dog. Hopefully she has the guts to cut his balls off.

  83. Unbelievably, you still have not grasped the principal point, arsenalkabisa. Without that your responses are nonsensical. I asked you the question to see if you understood. You have failed to answer the question, mistakenly construing it as a request for your opinion. It was a rhetorical question. Demonstrate to us that you understand THE fundamental issue.

  84. What BOPS ask is interesting.

    How come the brochure (Which we read like three days ago if am not wrong) is hot news now? Just because some tabloid highlighted it? All Arsenal fans had read it by then, laughed, ignored it cried – whatever.

    But that article doesn’t change the Fact that Ade is the best Arsenal striker we have. He has attributes to his game that none of the top four strikers have.

    We all are behind Ade. As Arsene says, his aim is to keep this squad together

  85. Serk da Turk

    Well said, this mentality must not be tolerated. Ive had arguements with memebers of my family who are Arsenal fans. When they try to make any sort of witty offensive remarks towards Eboue, Ade, Bendtner, or anyone else i back the players no matter what.

    As long as they wear an Arsenal shirt, we should be there by their sides. Right now we are having a sort of ‘civil war’…. this is no exaggeration, i argue more with Arsenal supporters than i do with other teams supporters. So many fans are spoilt by our success over the last 10 years and seem to think taking it out on our current crop.

    That is is not fair, and i will fight off all of them if i have to!

  86. The brochure was debated hotly when it was published. So you have just made a fundamental mistake again, arsenalkabisa. This time your mistake was to blindly accept a comment by bops.

  87. arsenalkabisa

    You contradict everything you say, you stick up for the slagging and joking on Ade, then you try to back it up by saying he is our best striker. So despite you knowing he is a valuable member of our squad you are willing to accept the fact that some can take the piss out of him and drive him away.

    What is it mate, you want him to stay or not?? Are you a supporter of not???

  88. @Frank

    Rhetoric are never answered. Hence i put my reply here again:

    The ability of not confusing Ade with Pele, but also of not confusing Ade with Rebrove, Jeffers or Boogers

  89. Frank

    He will cling onto anyone who shows any sign of agreeing with him because he knows he is under fire.

  90. Of course rhetoric is answered you fool. The rhetorical part was the request for an opinion. You are demonstrating that you do not understand with every post. Stop the obfuscation…..show us that you understand the central issue.

  91. arsenalkabisa

    That is not an answer, that is neither witty or to any degree answering in any relevance the initial problem of your support for the club.

    If you cant support 1 player, how can you support the team?

  92. @Frank

    oh! I made a mistake! Man I will be fined! I will loose three points.

    As Serk say its not about me and neither is it about you. That’s what you just don’t get.

    Its about not screaming that the ship is sinking just coz some water came through the sides; its also about not saying the ship is floating when I can touch the bottom of the sea.

  93. You see all of the posters who you appear to dislike have one common goal. If you do not know what that goal is, how can you criticise or admonish them?

  94. Amazing, you really don’t know do you, arsenalkabisa?

  95. To be so naive as to pick up the paper, or go on a website and see someone dis-crediting any arsenal player and spreading that view shows that all the Ade haters lack any common sense. How can anyone seriously justify any of his slagging off and this desire to get shot of him.

  96. We are waiting, arsenalkabisa.

  97. @ Chris

    A player i dislike? hmmm let me think deeply…

    Is Rooney a correct answer? Damn i got it wrong let me try again…Ahhh Cunltly cole..ah damn! Berbetov, Owen, CR

  98. ‘Hollis: Thanks as usual for your sense of balance and perspective. A reasoned voice.

    Alex: I may disagree with you, but your humour is very tickling!

    Frank: I actually do respect your thick and thin support. But I do not respect the way you insult other people for merely having an opinion which coincides with this, especially if its substantiated.

    To assert that Arseblogger, a man who has done so much for AFC, promoting the club through his blog, promoting the players and consolidating support amongst so many fans – has done damage to AFC because he thinks that Ade has insulted and disrespected the club by his actions is, devoid of any rational sense of perspective, regardless on what side of the Ade divide you take or how funny/distasteful you found his piece.

    Its about as logical as thinking that the automobile is a poor form of transportation because there’s a scratch on the bonnet.

    To further contest that his little piss take on such matters has been “actions;….words….ideas; they are the evil little seeds for all that has unfolded” – is worryingly fanatical and insane!

    CG – your not going to suggest next that Arseblogger’s pisstake on Ade means he’s a doomer now are you?

  99. @Chris

    So whom Don’t I support? Ade I hear you say – You get me wrong.

    As long as Ade has that Badge on his Chest, I will scream my lungs out for him.

    Kindly read my posts. You might get what I am saying.

  100. arsenalkabisa

    Its about the message and voice we are letting out of this club, right now it dont sound good:

    * we sound like shitty supporters
    * we sound like we want to get rid of Ade, Eboue, Bendtner, even Cesc was told to fuck off
    * we sound spoilt
    * we sound like we are not too certain and sure of our manager
    * we sound like we have no confidence in this squad

    These are the messages coming out from many bloggs and the newspapers… they are not a fair representation and are largely false.

    They stem from jokes and aspects such as the brochure. How can you stick up for anything that can result into our club being looked at in this light?

  101. arsenalkabisa you haven’t answered my question. Don’t you think that somebody that has the ear of many fans should try to lead them to a more productive and positive mentality?

    When you meet somebody that doesn’t know Arsenal will you say how we don’t really have a lot of money, don’t generally tend to buy big name players and haven’t won anything in the past 4years? Or will you tell them about the kind of football we play, our world class stadium, how we consistently unearth players of incredibly talent, and how this side could do amazing things?

    Why do you feel that it’s OK for arseblogger or anyone else for that matter to act in any other way. What kind of fan does that make them? More importantly where are writers like him leading this fan base to?

    You aren’t alone ChrisGoona. There are many like you that are willing to fight the good fight.

  102. Thank you, Joe

    ….in what context did I use the words ‘“actions;….words….ideas; they are the evil little seeds for all that has unfolded”’?? Could you point me at my original comment with that quote in it, please.

  103. arsenalkabisa

    so you support ade and arsenal, why on earth would you be bothering to stick up for anything that could dis-credit a player or your club?

    It dont make sense

  104. @Chris..

    laughed at the expense of Arsenal ?? Ade ?? Where did you get that idea ?? It was a fun article.. read, laugh, forget..

    I still want Ade to be in the club.. I still luv Arsenal.. that article hasnt changed anything !!!

    Well if some ppl change thier entire point of view from being Ade supporters to Ade haters just by reading that particular article, they should get their head checked..

  105. Serk da Turk

    Cheers mate, i know there are many. I just hate it all these crappy excuses that supporters seem to make up to allow themselves the right to slag their own team off.

    Its either they are so stupid they cant see the consequences, or they dont really care and are just having a laugh.

    1 thing i do know is that all the REAL supporters aint laughing no more.

  106. Joe, you have just ascribed those words to me as a reason for calling me fanatical and insane. Don’t you think you owe me the right to have the source explained. Otherwise people may think you made it up.

  107. bops

    so you agree that it can have this affect on some supporters…. wouldnt you think someone like Arseblogg would too? So he knew that creating that brochure would spread negative views…

    You think that is right?

  108. Joe

    Arseblogger can be labelled many things, he now bloggs to a wide audience where he doesnt seem to put the good intentions of his club first.

    You and other supporters that allow and laugh at material like this are labelled to the sound of an animal that goes ….. bbbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh

  109. Still confused how any fan can see the ‘brochere’ and not cringe. Regardless of what one may think of Ade.
    A***blogger & his ilk are the Alan Partrdrige’s of the blogosphere.
    Anyone who’s curious as to who Alan Partridge is, I recommend a youtube search.

    Great quotes from RVP. As always.

    I hope Ade stays. Next season, at times, with AA & Ade up front we could have the tallest and shortest frontline in the EPL, at the same time!

  110. Joe,

    “actions;….words….ideas; they are the evil little seeds for all that has unfolded”

    …you wrote that I used those words and because of them you conclude that I am fanatical and insane. I have checked all of todays comments….didn’t use them.

    Now I don’t want to accuse you of making them up becuase that would be a pretty diabolical thing to do. It would be the act of a liar. So I am willing to accept that I may have used them at another time. Trouble is if I did that the context is all important because the subject is probably different. Where did I use them……..Joe?

  111. Frank, I believe that Joe made the cardinal sin of omitting Serk Da Turk’s name from in front of them. Problem solved.

  112. Frank,

    The quotation you refer to was pointed at Serk, not you. Please don’t over react. Not like you..!!

  113. @chris

    When we are talking to other wankers out there WE are the PUREST. We play the sexiest football, we need four touches to counter a goal. We are Arsenal.
    WE have the best business sense. We cultivate British talent.

    But here we can talk about not only what we are doing right, but also what we are not doing right, because its four seasons without a trophy. Between me and you we can talk and suggest, do we need to scream louder? do we need to buy Arshavin? do we need to Sell Edwardo? we are allowed. We are fans. We love arsenal

  114. Aaaaah…the old tabloid typo trick, dfb. If the typo provides the effect you are looking for, keep it in,if anyone notices apologise afterwards. Costs nothing and you get a totally false message across. Even better don’t apologise afterwards.

  115. Point is Joe. Would you have pointed out the error if it had not been publicised? We are going to have to check the factual basis of your posts in future aren’t we?

    Now, your opinion that Serk da Turk is fanatical and insane. I am afraid I am on the side of Serk da Turk or SdT, as we now call him.

  116. @Serk

    Don’t you think that somebody that has the ear of many fans should try to lead them to a more productive and positive mentality?

    No they shouldn’t.

    When I develop a Gun, do i develop it with the intention of shooting pregnant mothers?

    No I don’t.

    @SERK So shouldn’t i develop a gun?

  117. Actually I think that I’m the one that Joe believes to be fanatical and insane. Joe is quoting me:

    “Agreed Frank. They don’t understand the damage they are doing. They don’t even see that they are an integral component of the machinations against Arsenal.

    “But it’s just a blog”, “I’m only giving my opinion”, “It’s not like I actually booed one of our players”, “I wasn’t one of those people that wanted Wenger out”.

    No. But you gave them a voice. You gave them belief. Not just in themselves but in the idea that they weren’t alone. That there were others just like them. Thinking the same thoughts. Feeling the same things. And consensus more than made up for righteousness. The sheep are merely sheep. They merely followed. But your actions; your words; your ideas; they were the evil little seeds for all that has unfolded.

    The worst thing is that I’m not sure that they have the intelligence to ever understand all of this.”

    I actually can’t believe that I’ve quoted myself twice now. I felt like a right tw@t the first time round.

    As a retort Joe I don’t believe that I’m fanatical or insane I just happen to believe little acorns grow into giant oak trees. I believe that there is a link between a lot of these online communities and tabloids and some of the resent events at Arsenal; booing of Eboue, idiots saying that Wenger should leave.

  118. arsenalkabisa

    We can have opinions, but we cannot discriminate and insult players. Being a supporter doesnt give you the right to do that. As a supporter you should do everything you can to stick up for your club…. if exploiting Ade, slagging off the team and allowing media hacks to slag off our club supporting your team?

    Think before you talk is a well known saying that some dont seem to understand. There is consequences to all that we say if you are not aware.

  119. Thats right Frank – I spend my time on this blog trying to deceive people like you using “the old tabloid typo trick”.

    CG: “You and other supporters that allow and laugh at material like this are labelled to the sound of an animal that goes ….. bbbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh”

    Quite an animated reposte CG. Lucky you didn’t fall for “the old typo trick”..! Can’t pull the wool over your eyes eh..!!

  120. I agree with SdT

  121. When did the opinions of opinion-makers not count?

    The “it is just fun” and “you are taking it too seriously” crowd are simply talking through two sides of their mouths.

  122. Joe

    The toughest trick is trying to teach people like you how to support your team properly. If that can be pulled off i will take a bow!

  123. @Chris,

    “So he knew that creating that brochure would spread negative views… ”

    If his intention was to spread negative views then I am with you..

    LG slags and insults the players all the time .. That is done with intent.. That is bad.. and I dont support that.. How come we dont talk about that here ?? LG does it on a daily basis.. and there are many more blogs like those.. Isnt he dividing opinion ?? Why is this arseblog brochure such a big issue ?? Is it just becoz it was highlighted in teh tabloid ??

  124. No you shouldn’t develop a gun. It only serves to hurt people.

    Let me paraphrase your metaphor to what I believe you might have meant:

    Should Einstein have developed his theory of relativity when people went on to develop the A bomb? Is that closer to what you meant?

    Well the theory of relativity changed the very way in which we understood our world. It opened the path for many incredible discoveries and the next line in scientific theories. It was one of the defining moments in our history as a SPECIES.

    In contrast that brochure was for nothing but cheap laughs. I don’t believe that the benefits of said brochure out weigh the damage that it causes to the relationship between our players and the fans.

  125. I’m 98% sure Adebayor will be here next season. My preoccupation is what the other type of Arsenal fan will do. Will they boo, and essentially boo the team? Will they get behind him and the team? Will they physically hound him? Or will they look for other scapegoats.

  126. bops

    I expressed my discontent with the brochure from before it was highlighted by the tabloids.

    Exploited or not by them, this sort of material should not be put about on our players in the first place. Arseblogg has no right to spread ‘crap’ on our players… and yes it is crap.

    I agree the LeGrove is a disgrace, we have been through than time and time again on here. Unfortunately there is a big market for stupidity. LeGrove captures that well.

    What annoyed me about Arseblogg is that the guy is funny, and undoubtedly supports Arsenal. He has taken his blogg to new levels, so why not use that to some use… why should we read the same shit as what we would get from the Sun?

    An Arsenal supporter should do everything he should to support. He has failed to show it in many ways… the constant digs at Eboue, Ade, and many African based players… I dont know what his agenda is, but everyone has one. His should be to support Arsenal and provide a fair view. He has failed to do so and has subjected players to more unwanted negative press.

    I may be over exagerating, but like someone else just said, the littlest things can be blown out of context, that is what happened. He can only now hold his hands up and accept it.

  127. @SERK do the benefits of the A-bomb out weight the damage it has caused?

    Me thinks its like fire it can be used to cook food or to Burn houses…

    The inventor is not at fault. Its the person who uses it wrongly.

  128. I agree with OG and CG.

  129. Arsene often says that to single out any player, in circumstances of difficulties (team not doing that great or whatever) is counter-productive. It’s simple management common sense. Why is Ade singled out?

    It’s the team that matters. Ade’s comments and those of his agent are misrepresented for whatever motives. When he has pledged his future and support to Arsenal, as in the interview at the club site, it is forgotten.

    It is not possible that the manager would conduct any criticism of his player in public, except to say that the poential move a season ago was a de-stabilising factor, alongside the actual departure of Flamini and Hleb. Which is common sense.

    Such a lot of fuss over nothing!!

  130. The problem isn’t anyone’s sense of humour.

    The problem isn’t arseblogger.

    The problem is that there is a prevalent culture amongst us arsenal fans that leaves us open to be manipulated by the media and the tabloids into what ever sensationalist view they are using to sell their newspapers this week. Very rarely does this result in something beneficial for Arsenal FC. We usually end up on the receiving end of some sort of bullsh!t.

    I just think that more of us on these blogs should promote a more positive and in turn more productive mentality. And people like Arseblogger have an even greater responsibility to do so because they can reach so many more people. I’m not saying we shouldn’t be critical, there’s just a difference between constructive criticism and this sh!t.

  131. Ade will be here next season.

    The boo boys are a minority who stared “Supporting arsenal” after the invincibles.

    They wont boo anyone next season because we are going into a golden Era of success.

    After a freak result in which we will loose to Juve, they will blame wenger for Not signing Melo

  132. Just as I was writing that last comment Galliani was definitively stating that Luis Fabiano is the last player they will buy this close season.

  133. Mean Lean @ 11:59 am – The issue here is that bloggers have a responsibility for what they publish. The internet is a public forum; it is not two guys in the pub having a pop at aplayer. The act of publishing an opinion has consequences. The constant drip-drip of negativity and low-brow humor designed to denigrate and demean certain players at Arsenal FC has consequences. Ask Eboue?

    BTW: Keep up the good job.

  134. … the constant digs at Eboue, Ade, and many African based players… I dont know what his agenda is, but everyone has one.
    … i think i’ve just figured out yours.

  135. CG: “The toughest trick is trying to teach people like you how to support your team properly. If that can be pulled off i will take a bow!”

    Take a bow CG. I refuse to deprive you any self-congratulations.

    Frank – you would agree with anyone that gives the remotest sense of credence to your myopia.

    To even remotely suggest that Arseblogger was trying denigrate AFC when his entire raison d’etre in life has been to write a blog in homage to the club – is just nuts.!

    What Arseblogger was doing was having a little fun at the expense of Ade, a player that he thinks has disrespected the club, touting his wares to other clubs when the manager has shown nothing but respect and support for the player. He’s not the first to disrespect the club – Hleb did too when he went for ice cream in Milan on the eve of an important CL game. As did Cole when he went behind the club and the managers back to meet Mourinho. What Arseblogger refuses to do is to condone such behavior.

    Instead, you suggest that its in the best interests of the club of we all just sit here like lemmings, turn the other cheek, and say no problemo, Ade you take your time in deciding your next destination – its our money that pays your 80k wages in the interim but we can’t publicly disagree because that wouldn’t be in the best interests of the club.

    Or to use Pz analogy – Its not Arseblogger thats betrayed his wife with the mistress, its Ade..!

  136. Yes arsenalkabisa your right, but Arsebloggers comments and ideas haven’t been misrepresented by anyone. His comments and ideas are directly influencing people in our fan base. And his comments and ideas don’t have a neutral value. They are intrinsically derogatory and hostile to an Arsenal player.

  137. We’ll need leadership this season. Cesc has it all to prove. Once he’s back from pre-season he really has to help everyone focus, and help the team gel together.

    Lots of work to do in pre-season. Individuals have to improve. The manager will work on that but the squad have to help each other.

    Come on you might Reds!!

  138. Serk da Turk

    Well said mate, im Chris da Greek, glad we can agree. :)

    Whats the support like for Arsenal out in Turkey?

  139. An intellectually challenged individual makes an ill informed decision to produce a fairly elaborate, and crap, joke.

    Not useful when picked up and twisted by the tabliods, but some people here are really over reacting, and shouldn’t take things so seriously.

  140. Wonderboy

    please go on…

  141. If our players got as upset as some on here about what was written about them, we wouldn’t have any one left.

  142. @JOE

    Amen.

    Now Frank That is balanced.

  143. Joe

    Nobody is disagreeing with you that what Ade did last season was wrong. But it done and dusted now.

    Bringing it back up again might be cathartic but it’s less than productive. If he was to leave then fine feel free to say what you like. But while he is still here, and while (in my opinion anyway) we still need him to have a successful season next year, we should avoid shooting ourselves in the foot. Even if we have adequate cover it doesn’t make sense to push a very capable CF out of the club.

  144. Joe

    Obviously you cannot make any sense of the situation and you cannot seem to understand why Arseblogg should be responsoble for his posts.

    You seem to be attracted to that stupidity of a brochure that enlightened laughter to your morniing yesterday… is that correct…

    … You know what dont answer it because i dont care, you are just part of a vicius media machine and you are obviously too stupid to realise it. You are being used and abused mate along with a certain section of Arsenal fans who thrive on reading basically bullsh!t.

  145. I don’t have to , you know you’re wrong mate,
    this arguement disgusts me now.

  146. Serk da Turk

    you mean “dont shit on your own!” more like

    Fans like Joe cant see what they are doing, its very hard to make them see otherwise when they have wasted 20p each and everyday for a newspaper for which they cant come to terms has been lying to them for their whole life!

  147. Wonderboy…

    It is an ongoing issue which is hurting our club, our players, and manager.

    It may seem a joke to some fans, but many fans care about the relationship bewteen us fans and the club.

  148. I see we have been linked with Ever Benaga of Valencia; does anyone know much about him? The clip on http://community.footballpools.com/blog/2009/07/08/ever-banega-arsenal-turn-to-5m-argentine-starlet/ is pretty impressive, but I’m sure even Gus Caesar has a good YouTube compilation somewhere. If he is available for £5m, he looks a bargain in the current market?

  149. ChrisGoona

    No idea mate I live in Enfield, North London! :)

    No but really I believe that most people see us a shinning example when it comes to playing football. As far support goes the Turks are far to crazy about their own teams to support anybody else! Having said that you can probably expect good will towards the club in more general terms.

  150. Having read the Arseblog in question, one can only draw the conclusion that it’s pretty mean and vicious. It’s also not funny. It is in reality the character assassinaton by an Arsenal supporter. Nice chap? Who cares, it’s an idiotic, schoolboy type of thing. I am very, very disappointed.

    And Joe supports this and thinks it’s funny? Wow!

  151. It does seem incredible that some people here still do not get the debate that has been going on for at least a year now.

    Either they are very stupid or are just Arse 21’s who have evolved a little in their ability to ‘debate’.

    Arseblogger was alsothe first to use the term ‘ebouesless’ last season, the point at which I stopped reading him. He blogs for money. He feels compelled to seek as many hits as he can. It is irrelevant whether he meant harm or not. He has undoubtedly caused it.

    The fact that some either cannot see it or pretend that they can’t see it is not irrelevant. It is a pointer for next season’s ’support’. I also fear that it is confirmation of the doomers’ agenda.

    I wonder what our No.1 hate figure will feel when he runs out onto the pitch at TNHOF for the first game of the season? I wonder what the fans will feel.

  152. Joe,

    Adebayor is an Arsenal player.

    Everything you’re claiming Adebayor has done, in terms of actual quotes is exactly the same as the quotes attributed to Fabregas, and Arshavin.

    Just yesterday, the Spanish press published another quote supposedly from Cesc effusively praising Barcelona.

    The hypocrisy and double standard is stunning.

  153. I think it is shit ZP, but still am not getting too wound up by it.

    I am not advocating for anyone to take a leaf out of my book, but it might be worth considering.

    Go and stare at a pic of Rosicky in training for a few minutes, that is enough to cheer anyone up!

  154. @Chris

    “the constant digs at Eboue, Ade, and many African based players…”

    Dont think this is rite.. He has never said anything about Toure.. and he takes a dig generally at mostly everyone..

    “I may be over exagerating, but like someone else just said, the littlest things can be blown out of context, that is what happened. He can only now hold his hands up and accept it.”

    Agree this is blown way out of proportion.. We will forget it once pre season starts.. But the division of opinion on Ade will still be there he has to go a long way to win back his fans.. Now dont tell me to support Ade no matter what.. I will support him every time he wears the shirt.. but once he takes it off he will always be the guy who said that AC Milan was Beyonce..

  155. Serk da Turk

    No way, i used to live there too!!

    Small world. I use to have a mate Serdal that i went to games with, you aint changed your name have u? lol

    ZimPaul

    Yep it is funny, whats funnier is that he supports Arsenal yet thinks that slagging off our own team and lowering confidence in our players will help!!

  156. By the way guys feel free to call me Serks or Serkan as opposed to “SdT”. Makes me sound like a rash that affects your nether regions. :)

  157. CB,

    In my eyes the priority should be on shouting down any idiots at the ground who critiscise or shout abuse at any of our players.

    Without blowing my own trumpet, all season i have shouted down a woman behind me who consistently slates both Ade and Bendtner, to the point that most around us now ridicule her the moment she opens her mouth.

    Far more satisfying than worrying about other blogs.

  158. bops

    “I will support him every time he wears the shirt.. but once he takes it off he will always be the guy who said that AC Milan was Beyonce..”

    So basically you take his comments as being flattered by the interest from Milan… excatly the same as Cesc was by Barca and Real… BUT you have now hot the excuse to slag him at any time you want.

    What ever light you put it you are a disgrace and you are wrong. These players are under enough pressure, and are hounded by the media, keep your agendas and insults to yourself and support.

    Your either with us or not

  159. Lol ChrisGoona

  160. Matt

    Good on you mate, i hope everyone else does so too.

  161. @OG

    Everything you’re claiming Adebayor has done, in terms of actual quotes is exactly the same as the quotes attributed to Fabregas, and Arshavin.

    But yet Cesc busts his balls on the Pitch.

    I wish that even if the quotes were there in relation to Ade, and that they weren’t captured on video, Ade would burst his damn ass in that field.

    Probably as Wenger says we have been used to caviar, and now cant stand sausages

  162. In fairness, if the brochure had been made up about cesc as a piss take in response to all the false rumours about him it may well have seemed pretty funny. Maybe common sense says that the best thing in this instance, was to leave a touchy subject alone in case what has happened happened. It is a fine line, personally i think the guy puts out a pretty hot blog most of the time.

    Ole – agree dude that cesc has it all to prove. We missed the real cesc last year. I hope we can find a system and he has the form to pull the strings for us this year. Having seen him there for us an spain though, we have to play him deep, not as a number 10 sort of role, it just wastes him.

  163. @ MAtt

    Go and stare at a pic of Rosicky in training for a few minutes, that is enough to cheer anyone up!

    or Senderos leading the pack or the mean look on Vanmearen’s face

  164. I agree with Ole Gunner.

    Matt the problem is that the situation in the stadium and this sort of stuff is directly linked to what happens in the online communities and the tabloids. This is how the seeds are sown (no joe, I’m not being fanatical or insane).

  165. Good to hear gazzidis talking about signing up players long term. Last year and this we got ade, rvp, bendtner, vela, clichy, cesc, ramsey, gibbs, wilshere, fabianski all committed. There is a lot of talent at this club and we have shown that we do not need to sell, ever, unless we want to.

    Really excited as well at rosicky, eduardo, vermaaleh (wow that went wrong), senderos, traore coming in/back. We have a really deep squad now.

  166. Agreed arsenehollis! Can’t wait to see the boys in action!! Got a really good feeling about next year! We can definitely go far with this squad.

  167. A scary thought that some of the fruit-cakes who jabber online get allowed past security at the Emirates. If Nixon were in charge, god rest his honest soul, we would have these names on lists, memberships revoked, and hackers publishing their taste in depravity for the world to see. They were simpler times and I miss them. Maybe we can get Arsene doing the two fingered victory salute?

  168. arsenalkabisa,

    I can also assert that Cesc doesn’t “burst his balls” or that Adebayor “bursts his balls”. You saying it doesnt make it true.

    Cesc had a poor season by his high standards last season. Same as Ade actually.

    And we don’t hate him for it. we just accept he was injured, and was knackered, was given additional responsiblities etc. We try to explain and accept his performance.

  169. @Serk

    But you dont think that players who under perform, talk of Beyonce, go for ice cream in Milan are not in any way sowing seeds of booing?

    Remember these are supporters who watched Pires, Henry, Vieira, DB.

    They know what they have been seeing several seasons ago. And they don’t understand players who walk in the pitch when we are loosing to Hull

  170. Serk – we could be scary this year. We just need to figure out how to sit-back and defend at times i think. To play a little canny, keep it tight and counter. Last year we couldn’t be solid at the back because midfield and defense were to separate.

    Gazzidis said how we didnt let in a single goal at home in the CL until the semi, but we let in 7 in 5 games away in that time. I think this highlights the point. Not sure we need new players, although depth wise i think Song and Denilson need some cover if not replacement. Manure showed that with tactics, rather than pure stopper, you can kill attacks in CM. Thatwe need to work on i think and we will fly.

  171. I think it just goes to show how slow this summer is if you’re all arguing about a bloke who writes a blog and who is well known for taking the piss out of all kinds of things, including Arsenal players. I don’t think it’s done maliciously, it’s because we’re all familiar with Arsenal players, and most of us can recognise a joke when we see one. It’s hardly the first time. Look at this from years ago http://static.oleolecdn.com/media/main/images/blogs/images/group1/subgrp31/large_35440.jpg

    People need to relax and stop taking everything as personal insult. You’ll give yourselves ulcers.

  172. Anyway… the idiots have shut up, lets get some positive vibes coming out the Arsenal camp!!

    Arshavin-Walcott-Robin-Cesc-Sagna-Clichy-Ade-Nasri-Bendtner-Toure-Almunia-Gallas-Vela-Wilshire-Denilson-Song-Eduardo-Diaby-Rosicky-Ramsey-Gibbs-Eboue-Vermaelen-Djourou-Sagna-Fabianski

    These are my positives… If ive missed anyone out many apologies!!!

    All i know is we have a very good bunch of players, great manager, great stadium… lets get behind them and achieve something special

  173. Robin van Persie…clickclickclick…Robin van persie…clickclickclick…

    Wan Arsene Wenger…theres only wan Arsene Wenger…waaann Arsene Wenngggeeerrr…theres only Wan Arsene Wennggeerrrr…..

    Adebayor..Adebayor……..Adebayor..Adebayor

  174. Eerr…….was that last comment aimed at me arsenehollis? I can’t tell.

  175. good one arsenalkabisa..

    @Chris

    I never said I will slag him.. or any other AFC player for that matter.. and I never will.. I was a big fan of his but he will not get the same support that he used to get earlier..

    And you say Cesc and Arshavin.. You can see Cesc’s quotes in AFC’s website saying that he is going to stay !! and he acts like he wants to stay.. Why is he not coming out saying that he wants to stay ?? and show it in the field ??

    He did come out with a statemnt last year but you could see that his heart was not in it..

    And dont talk about pressure.. all the other players have the same kind of pressure.. you dont see everyone acting like that..

  176. @OG

    Cesc puts in effort, its what i mean. Things might no be ticking for him, but does that boy try.

    But in Ade’s case, it borders on indifference. (end of this, coz more than this would be slating an Arsenal player.)

  177. look the sp*ds have a good laugh:

    http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/forums/thread/673796.aspx

    @joe and arsenalkabisa, go and laugh with the sp*ds.

  178. Michael D

    Wasnt that posted after he left Arsenal??

  179. What gives people ulcers, Michael D, is a two thirds empty stadium with season tickets seats empty, club level fans not appearing after half time, leaving games 10 minutes early, booing players, no singing, all backed up by moaning and whinging and preaching outright rebellion online when it is proven that the press and media feed on it.

  180. Oh. Probably not then. Sorry arsenehollis! Misunderstanding there.

    arsenalkabisa I’m not denying the validity of your feelings, I’m just saying that to vent them is counter productive. It doesn’t help our cause as a football club.

  181. Ade had a poor season, as Ole said so did a lot of our big players. (to me makes this season look al the more promising, class, form and all that) Maybe Ade just suffered form ’second season syndrome’. Certainly got clichy, a bit sagna. Cesc wasnt himself. What about Toure and gallas, hardly covered themselves in glory on the pitch or off. vieira had his annual heart-to-heart but wavered pretty much every summer whilst we were developing into the invincible side. (was it 3 potless years then?)

    Again, seems really F’in stupid to be starting the season talking about ‘ i dont like ade’, ‘look what he said’, ‘that aint right, boo-hoo’ all over again. For gods sake enjoy the game.

    “When something is supposed to be enjoyment means that you spend most of the time being miserable, give it up or change your perspective”

    I completely agree with that. Being an arsenal fan makes me so damn happy, there are a lot of people who really seem to be missing out. imho.

  182. Sorry Michel D. One third empty stadium.

  183. Board rejects cash raise. Just saw this, but perhaps it’d been out earlier.

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=659661&sec=england&cc=5901

  184. Robin van Persie…clickclickclick…Robin van persie…clickclickclick…

  185. Says it all, notlager

  186. notlager

    What you doing posting a link to a spud site?

    bops

    The excuses keep coming, at least we can count on you next season to carry on discriminating against players.

    I aint going to bother going into how Ade came out and rejected all them stories like Cesc has, and how he has covered as much ground per game than the likes of Cesc. Them FACTS seem to go un noticed by you.

  187. No Serk, not really aimed at anybody, i just have a soft spot for good ol’ dick nixon.

    Does anybody know when the dates will be announced for the CL qualifying please? I know the draw is the 17th, but how soon after can we expect to know which week is home, which away? Cheers lads.

  188. @ArseChicago

    Ivan, there was a Board Meeting last Thursday, which we’re sure many topics were discussed as usual. It has been reported in the media that the Board was due to discuss the pros and cons of some form of capital raising. Can you just explain the background to this and tell us anything you can about the Board’s conclusion?

    The Board, with its financial advisors Rothschild, considered thoroughly the proposal to use permanent equity capital to either pay down debt or to add to the Club’s spending in the transfer market. With regard to debt, the conclusion reached is that the Club has a very efficient capital structure with long-term debt on attractive interest rates. We can comfortably afford to meet the annual costs of this debt while at the same time generating surplus funds to invest in the Club. Using permanent capital to pay down debt would not, therefore, radically transform the annual cash flow of the Club.

    With regard to players, the Board decided not to issue permanent capital in the hopes of signing one or two players in an inflated transfer market. Instead, the focus continues to be on securing the services of talented young players we have on long-term contracts and making very selective acquisitions, only where a new signing will add real value to our already strong squad.

    We have developed some of the best young players in the world, as they showed by advancing to the last four in the Champions League. Simply spending money in the transfer market does not make a team or guarantee success. We have followed a slightly different route to most and have built, not bought, a team that has players who are highly sought after and valued by the biggest and best clubs in the world. But we intend to keep them!

    The Club, supported by the talents of Arsène Wenger, has embarked on a longer-term strategy of building its team rather than buying it. There’s a football graveyard of clubs that have not adhered to these principles and have unfortunately suffered the consequences. Our responsibility is to build the Club so that it can be successful, not just this season and next season, but also ten and even twenty years from now.

  189. arsenehollis

    well said

  190. Frank 100% well said.

    You don’t slag your players of in public.

    Simple as that.

    Why?

    Because players rarely improve, with a little public humiliation.

    Why?

    Because the player is effectively our asset and if to be sold, hardly requires his value to be stripped with a public examination of flaws in the very market we mean to sell him in.

    Why?

    And Frank’s key point about creating a negative swell of support that inevitably enters our own stadium and undermines players on matchday.

    It’s thick and while ArseBlogger has done a fine job, once his own self-importance becomes bigger than the club = Enter a delusional Myles Palmer!

  191. Here, here arsenehollis!!

  192. Frank – I agre with everything you have written todays, typos and all.

    Unlike that piece of crap in Dublin, who thinks it is funny to constantly alienate “certain”players from the fans, you have done your best online and at the stadium to do something about the very poor support in the blogs and at the Emirates.

  193. PS: That crap in Dublin, who is also lining his pockets at the supporter’s expense.

  194. Frank = Top Gooner

    Only if everyone stuck up for the club like that, we would be untouchable and the media would be shit scared to write an article on us – the cun*s

  195. Over the last week I have watched the arsetv online highlights of nearly every game form last season, for what it is worth a few things stand out:

    1) Nick Bendtner is stupidly talented. A bit of confidence/experience/the composure they bring and he is a 25 goal a season striker.

    2) Diaby may have ‘mares, but he can be ludicrously good at times. I hope he stays fit and gets a run of games in CM – if that happens he could define our season.

    3) So little went our way last year. There was so much side-show detractions, so many injuries, so many big players off form. We were carried at times by a group in midfield and attack of players who are all U22. With that experience, some players back, and a year progression we can really stamp our authority on this league.

  196. chris

    fukd if’d be discrimnating or anything..

    it will be the new season.. new dawn.. new players (players bak from injury included).. its goin to greaaaat !! when we start slagging other sp*ds and chelski players.. bring it on i say..

    PS – Lets just let the Ade issue be. The only person who can say that he is back is Ade (on and off field) and lets wait for that.

  197. arsenalkabisa,

    You’re only trying to excuse yourelf. There’s clearly a double standard here.

    You lot idolise people like Flamini who followed the money and pissed off. You make excuses and try to understand the situation with Fabregas or Arshavin.

    Then you tell me one player tries. As measure by your effortometer, right?

  198. PS: That crap in Dublin, who is also lining his pockets at the supporter’s expense.

    What an interesting thread. I have no desire to debate any of it as you’re all entitled to think what you want about the brochure, the site, what I write, or anything else.

    However, that bit above is an out and out lie and I won’t accept that kind of thing being posted about me. Explain to me how you think what I earn is at the expense of Arsenal supporters?

  199. Any idea guys on the CL qualifyers – when we will know which leg is home and away PLEASE? Need to book flights at some stage.

  200. And how it’s any of your business to begin with.

  201. ACLF has come a long way since YW took on the BBC almost single handed. It is a bastion against the negativity and a lot of fun.

  202. If the arseblogger is reading: more interviews with Ray Parlour PLEASE – a great interview he gave.

    (Would love to hear Tony Adams, from what o’leary said that could be pretty eccentric/esoteric)

  203. arseblogger

    Is that really you?

  204. Come on guys. Would you rather us move back to highbury and stop the expansion of the club just so the ground is full every minute of every week? All clubs have different types of fans, footballs liked by everyone

  205. Oh fucking shut up RontheGoon. You have very low standards when it comes to support.

  206. arseblogger

    Your blogg is good and your podcast is great, just keep the little insults/jokes to a limit. You must realise and understand that your views can be taken out of context, you may hate/dislike Ade, you may not be fond of Eboue, you may wish to see the back of a certain player… those are your opinions. What you must understand is that our players need support, they dont need a fat finger being pointed in their face, and thousands of people laughing at them.

    You have a responsibility to not promote or spread views on players that can in due time come back to hurt our team.

  207. arseblogger

    Is that really you?

    Yes. As I said, I’m not here to debate anything, but that comment from shotta-gunna is a lie and out of order.

    Arsenehollis – I’ll try. It’s tough work trying to get them though.

  208. Unfortunately so RontheGoon

  209. arseblogger

    Have you read the whole thread? Have you read some of the comments made by myself and some others regarding that brochure?

    What are your thoughts on the matter? I’m very curious.

  210. @OG

    You lot idolise people like Flamini who followed the money and pissed off.

    I am in a lot now?

    Flamini who? That Bench warmer at AC? oh i had plain forgotten about him – YES i Totally idolize him. SO do I idolize Rooney, John Terry, and Cuntley Cole. You spot on mate!!!

  211. Zakora has just left Sp*ds wasn’t this the same man that claimed he turned down Arsenal to play for the tiny totts?

    The mug was not even good enough for them let alone for us!

  212. Arseblogger,

    For the benefit of those on this blog who see the brochure on Ade as a self indulgent attempt to polarise fans and to feed the media frenzy that attempts to destabilize the club – perhaps you could spare a moment and provide your own clarification on the matter? My interpretation, from someone who reads your blog with gleeful interest is at the start of this tread.
    Thanks.
    BTW – nice coup with Gazidis.

  213. If you don’t want to debate Arseblogger, that is a shame. Your attempt at humour has caused a debate that fits the one that has been running here for a long time. that of the anti support that undermines the efforts of our club.

    Shotta can speak very well for himself but I understand that you are paid to produce your site. fair enough, but if that site undermines our team then that is at the expense of it’s supporters.

  214. Ok i respect that, just keep in mind some fans are very very influenced by your comments and post please.

  215. You have a responsibility to not promote or spread views on players that can in due time come back to hurt our team.

    All I have ever done on my blog is be honest about what I think.

    I’m not going to convince anyone who dislikes the Adebayor brochure the other way, but for me it was just stupid humour (e.g – top speed 145kmh, wifi enabled). I figured people would see it for the piss take it was.

    But to your initial point, if I feel there are problems with the team or certain players then I have to say what I think. The same way I would if the team was playing well or a player was in particularly good form.

    It’d be dishonest to do it any other way and insulting to the people who read the blog to assume that they’re unable to make their own minds about the various issues just because I think one way or the other.

    I’m not Arsenal Pravda, nor is YW, or Goodplaya or anyone else. It would be a very dull and fundamentally false world if everything we wrote had to reflect on Arsenal in a positive light.

  216. Sorry I was waiting for Shotta to respond but he may not be around.

    Was that post at 2.42pm actually from the creator of the Arseblog site?

    If so it would be good to discuss some of this stuff, might be mutually beneficial. Some sort of validation would be good to avoid embarassment though, since several doomers have pretended to be Arseblogger in the past on this site.

  217. I think it’s ridiculous that bloggers are trying to run the club. Whether it’s real fans like Arseblog or parasites like Pypes Palper.

    If Wenger says Adebayor is still in his plans, and Adebayor is still an Arsenal player, I don’t see any value in humiliating the player, making him feel unwanted and giving him something else to fight apart from defenders.

    If Adebayor scored less last season, or seems off form, that’s the manager’s job to handle. And even if Adebayor has to be sold it’s still better to let Wenger handle it.

    Comedy is all well and good. I always acknowledge that comedy is impossible without objects of ridicule. We like comedy we have to accept that players will be ridiculed.

    But the brochure goes over the line in many ways.

  218. Cheers arseblogger –

    as i said before, personally think the ade thing winding up in the paper was a shame, but a top quality blog that i enjoy very much. Many thanks for your efforts.

  219. arseblogger

    Speak out and justify your brochure please, we are all very interested to know what you tried to achieve with it… and if you realised a reaction of this sort could occur?

    We dont want a debate, just a reason behind please

  220. Did you forsee the use of it made by The Mirror for instance to attack one of our players?

    Do you think him being labelled the Arsenal fans No.1 hate figure is in any way down to negative blogs? Do you take any responsibility for that?

  221. I disagree with arsenehollis and the creep Joe.

    I believe that by taking the stand that you have you are doing the tabloids job for them, Arseblogger. I also believe that at a time when matchday support is in fucking crisis we can ill-afford to amplify negativity through blogs.

    The fact that Arsebog is your job is always likely to raise suspicion that popularity is one of your objectives. Honesty is often supplanted by diplomatic silence in our daily lives….but you may not have that option if success is gauged by hit rates.

  222. Have you read the whole thread? Have you read some of the comments made by myself and some others regarding that brochure?

    Please see my previous post. It was a piss take, a ludicrous one at that, and I really can’t understand why people are taking it quite so seriously. As someone else pointed out it’s a slow summer if the debate is about me!

    I understand that you are paid to produce your site. fair enough, but if that site undermines our team then that is at the expense of it’s supporters.

    No, he said I’m lining my pockets at the expense of supporters. That’s false and an outrageous lie.

    As for the blog undermining the team, I don’t accept that. I’ve always written the blog the same way. I did it for 6 years, every single day of my life, without earning a penny. My outlook has not changed despite the fact I’m lucky enough, and believe me I know I’m lucky, to be able to make a living writing about the football club I love.

    I’ve tried to promote other good blogs, like this one, and ultimately all I want is the best for Arsenal. But to suggest things are above criticism is burying your head in the sand.

    Joe – I read your comment, thank you. I appreciate it. I don’t expect everyone to agree with what I write but some of the accusations being levelled at the blog are a bit much.

    At the end of the day it’s entertainment, a lot of people thought the brochure was funny, I never thought for a second it’d spread like it did, but I’m not sure it’s disrespecting Arsenal anywhere near as much as Ade did last summer, for example.

  223. arseblogger

    Thanks for that, your humour lightens up my mornings… just very hard being an Arsenal supporter when the media takes every post, every story, every comment from our players and turns them to crap.

    I just feel that the brochure was un-called for at a time where the future of Ade is very fragile and im not looking forward to the response he may get come August. You may wish him out and see him as a distraction to our team… thats fair enough, but as a blogger you should respect that everyone may not have the same view as you. All we want is the best for our team, promoting negative publicity on our club isnt that im afraid.

  224. Thank you.!

  225. Your last paragraph says it all, Arseblogger, and is the reason that Arsenal fans are being branded as Adebayor haters by the press and presumably in the very near future the media.

  226. arseblogger

    “but I’m not sure it’s disrespecting Arsenal anywhere near as much as Ade did last summer, for example.”

    You should leave last summer be mate, the guy plays for Arsenal, he has shown he can be a 30+ goal scorer. Cesc has had exactly the same allegations thrown at him, Cesc has said he admires clubs like Barca and Real.. but we still love Cesc and we believe what he says.

    Why cant we just put Ade before the media hacks like we have with Cesc? Being an Arsenal player doesnt he deserve that, he isnt guilty of anything.

  227. Who are you thanking, Joe?

  228. Dear Arseblogger,

    If that is you, and if that is how you feel about certain criticism, please answer: How is it any of your business how much money, say Ade gets paid by AFC? Or the means by which his agent might secure those wages?

    Sounds to me like you’ve caught “Harry Redknapp’s twitch”.

    Its a common illness, picked up on the windy east bank of the River Lea.

    ARSENAL!

  229. Arse

    The brochure was hilarious !!

    Keep up the good work..

  230. Anyway im off, thanks for posting arseblogger

    Laters people

  231. Do you think him being labelled the Arsenal fans No.1 hate figure is in any way down to negative blogs? Do you take any responsibility for that?

    No, why should I? There are more people who go to Arsenal that don’t read blogs than do and many of them aren’t fond of him either – and that’s for what he did (or didn’t do) on the pitch. Not from criticism on the internet.

    I believe that by taking the stand that you have you are doing the tabloids job for them, Arseblogger. I also believe that at a time when matchday support is in fucking crisis we can ill-afford to amplify negativity through blogs.

    What stand is that?

    And as I said earlier, when we’ve drawn 4 games in a row 0-0 and fans are frustrated should I write ‘Don’t worry, everything’s fine!’?

    People who write blogs are there to give opinions, they are not PR people for Arsenal.

    The fact that Arsebog is your job is always likely to raise suspicion that popularity is one of your objectives. Honesty is often supplanted by diplomatic silence in our daily lives….but you may not have that option if success is gauged by hit rates.

    I’m not going to try and convince you, all I’ll say is I did the same stuff I’m doing now for 6 years. Every single morning. 365 days a year. For free. In fact, it cost me a lot of money to do it, to keep the site running, servers etc.

    So with all due respect I won’t engage you when you speculate about my motives without knowing the first thing about me.

  232. Sorry, Monsieur L’Arseblogger, you are confirming some of our suspicions.

  233. Isn’t it hypocritical that what Cesc and Arshavin are not getting stick for the same thing Ade has gotten stick for?

    I don’t for one minute believe Cesc is about to leave or is less than committed. But the set of facts and published quotes coming from him don’t take much spinning to be seen as exactly the same as the Ade situation last Summer.

    Same with Arshavin. Why the double standards? Why do some still venerate Flamini who actually went out the odd straight after the money?

    Why is Ade signled out?

  234. Thanks for that, your humour lightens up my mornings… just very hard being an Arsenal supporter when the media takes every post, every story, every comment from our players and turns them to crap.

    And anyone who reads the blog on a regular basis will know that I write very often to counter the crap printed in the tabloids (see Cesc ‘impotent’ stories from last week).

  235. Busy at work; if I had the time I’d take that tit head-on.

  236. I don’t think there’s anyone here who doesn’t like or respect Arseblog.

    And the honesty point is valid.

    But there are serious problems with making players into objects of ridicule, and creating negative environments for players the club still needs.

  237. How is it any of your business how much money, say Ade gets paid by AFC? Or the means by which his agent might secure those wages?

    The difference is that fans who buy tickets, merchandise etc are the ones who pay players wages.

  238. I don’t have a problem with you making a living by writing or creating a blog, Arseblogger. I used to go to your site regularly. My point is that it changes your objectives. presumably you are only able to sustain yourself in that way if certain objectives are achieved involving hits, sales etc.

    If you report your own opinions no matter what, and promoting Arsenal is not one of your objectives, then combined with the need to generate income, how are you different to a tabloid?

  239. F@ck that!!!

    I want a debate!!!

    If you are really arseblogger then the possibility of getting you to realise the potential damage that these sorts of things can do is too valuable to pass.

    I don’t doubt that your a fan of the club or that you have good intentions for AFC, but if you have read the thread then you must have an opinion on the matter. Do you believe that we as a fan base are susceptible to manipulation by the press, and do you believe that as arseblogger you can play a role in that paradigm, either as a positive impact or a negative?

    This is the single most important question any one of us can ask here.

  240. I agree with SdT. I would also add that there is definitely a crisis of support in the stadium and I believe though not the only cause that negative blogging amplifies the views of some pretty spinless, snivelling twats.

  241. Can we do a poll today and see if the brochure changed the attitude of some pople who liked Ade. I thought it was funny although i ddnt agree with the language but it did not change my opinion of Ade. Only the player can do that.

  242. Arseblagger!

    If you lower his value and therefore end up costing first the club and then the fans money fom their pockets, is that alright?

    *Figured maybe the language of money might ring a bell!

  243. I don’t have a problem with you making a living by writing or creating a blog, Arseblogger. I used to go to your site regularly. My point is that it changes your objectives. presumably you are only able to sustain yourself in that way if certain objectives are achieved involving hits, sales etc.

    As you have no knowledge whatsoever of my terms of employment that is purely speculative from you to suit your argument.

    If you report your own opinions no matter what, and promoting Arsenal is not one of your objectives, then combined with the need to generate income, how are you different to a tabloid?

    If you think I have done nothing to promote Arsenal then fine. My point was that it’s not my raison d’etre. I’m not a PR machine. I’m a guy with a blog who writes what he thinks about the team, not to sustain any agenda or to generate income.

    And the reason I’m not a tabloid is because there are no pictures of tits.

  244. spinless and spineless ….could be both.

  245. If you lower his value and therefore end up costing first the club and then the fans money fom their pockets, is that alright?

    How the fuck can I lower the value of Adebayor? Seriously. Do you think football clubs who might want to buy him will have the first club about Arseblog? Of course they don’t.

    The only person who is responsible for the value of Adebayor is Adebayor. A player is valued by what he does on the pitch, how long he has left on his contract. Not a piss take brochure.

  246. Anyway, I have to go. To those of you who have been pleasant enough to engage in decent conversation, thank you.

  247. Figures

  248. You respond to some points made but not convicingly. The Mirroer picked up yout humour, they obviously spoke to you as well. Their article did undermine our club. Yet you take no responsibility for that?

    Even if you did not expect that precise outcome it is naive to believe that you did not help the Mirror to stick the knife in.

    We were not debating Ade by the way.

    “And as I said earlier, when we’ve drawn 4 games in a row 0-0 and fans are frustrated should I write ‘Don’t worry, everything’s fine!’?”

    Who mentioned that?

  249. Fernando Torres and Adebayor have been top striker at Liverpool and Arsenal respectively for the same length of time. Torres is the better striker no doubt. But he’s only scored 3 or 4 goals more than Adebayor in those 2 seasons.

    Torres is on £110K a week. Ade is (reportedly) on £80k.

    Stephen fucking Ireland is on £80k a week for fuckssakes.

  250. Never anyone else’s business, not even for second, how another man makes his money.

    If it is true, i had no idea, that you can make a living writing about the arsenal then good for you. Sounds bloody brilliant and i’m jealous.

    My opinion on the whole Ade thing is that there comes a point where the whole thing should be let lie for the good of the team – he certainly wants this, his interview showed that.

  251. How do you lower his value?

    Build support against the player, undermine his confidence.

    Then when he does not perform as 30 goal Ade, you have played a direct role in lowering his value.

    Or simply create enough doubts in purchasers minds that this the fella for them.

    It was obvious you would not hold your hands up up and admit publicly villifying our own man would be to the potential detriment of our football club.

    We all have a role to play!

    The fans….and you with your oh so harmless blog.

    Clubs are not just made great by the Management and players.

  252. Arseblogger, you announced some time ago that you would be blogging fulltime and that from that point in time it would be your job. I agree I have no idea of your terms of employment. You are suggesting that sales, hits or any objective linked to performance of the site etc are not in anyway linked to your employment or contract for the sale of the site. If that is the case I apologise.

    I was suggesting that you are a PR machine for Arseblog. That activity in itself relies upon the existence of Arsenal and its supporters.

    But enough. You have already indicated that promoting the club is not your raisin d’etre. At the end of the day that is why I no longer visit your site.

  253. There are some really peculiar ramblings on here today. Arseblogger, if you are ‘arseblogger.’

    Welcome!

    I think spreading the word & getting people to talk about Arsenal is support in itself, so hats off to you.
    If i could make some doh talking about the things i love i’d be as happy as larry, so more power to you!

    totally agree with you on Adebayor, well said.

  254. Ole – i dont get any of that twitter stuff dude, i was just wondering if opta had a stat for contributions to the build up of goals, over just assists. As i said above, been watching the highlights from last season and denilson seems involved in starting a lot of goals, even if he doesn’t play the final ball – curious if you could find that out? Cheers mate.

  255. Why can’t we debate Ade? Because you’ll lose the debate?

  256. I have plenty of respect from earning a living writing about something and sharing your opinions.

    But, unlike reporting the news, the football club you supposedly love is an invested from the heart interest.

    The brochure was a selfish act!

  257. Is Squealer ‘Yes Mr Arseblog, three bags full Mr Arseblog, anything you say nice Mr Arseblog’ Joe about? You fucking creep.

  258. Agreed arsenehollis (except about how someone makes their money).

    I just wish arseblogger had answered my question.

    If he doesn’t have to write the blog in certain manner to get paid then, he would have been a very powerful influence to have on side. It’s a shame.

    I hope at the very least he read it and it got him thinking. You can only hope.

  259. @ Arseblogger, good blog, for what its worth I thought it was pretty funny and this whole conversation is ridiculous

  260. Thanks for letting us know, Ron

  261. arseneholis,

    Are you talking about pre-assists (a la Hleb). The pass b4 the assist?

    Or chances created, the passes that could have been assists but the goals weren’t scored?

  262. RontheGoon, is there any point to your posts?

  263. I have a feeling we’ll find some great Wenger steals in the transfer market this season. It will be at the last minute….

    Clubs like Fiorentina are in dreamland €25M for Melo…and that kind of crap.

  264. @ Frank, You are not the type of person I’d like to sit next to with my kids at the ground. You need to get some perspective and stop acting like a thug

  265. @ Consolsbob, is there any point to yours?

  266. Hey c****s. What’s with the double standards? Just because Arseblogger has wit and puts things articulately, does that mean he be given a free pass? Does that mean he can say whatever he wants and get away with it? Frankly speaking, he might not put things as blatantly as me, but in the end we are saying the same thing. We both do defend the players that we want to defend, such as Cesc, Arshavin e.t.c. BUt when it comes to sH*** players like Eboue, Ade, and Diaby, we burn these little *****s down. As he himself admits, we both slate the team when the going gets tough (4 consecutive draws), and when we’re winning, we write articles praising the team as if we’ve always been behind them. And he’s been writing the blog for 6 years. Well I was born with a season ticket up my ar**.

  267. Arseblogger, thank you for providing the blog each day. Entertaining and informative. I think some folks here are looking for a Stalin-like leader to lead a mob of pitchfork and torch wielders to not only terrorize supporters of clubs not named Arsenal, but also to root out or blacklist or maim anyone that might wish to think critically about the state of Arsenal itself. Pay them no mind. Those of us with half a brain know you can love Arsenal whilst also opining on its state.

  268. Ole – pre-assists i guess, or contribution to the build up.

    (I think they do something like that in ice hockey, anyone involved in the passing move for the goal gets an assist point, final pass gets two.)

    I just saw denilson a few times making passes that set us going for goals – he seems to do it a lot late in games, a good sign. Last match i watched was cardiff in the cup and e wins a tackle in CM, ball breaks to bendtner who puts rvp in to score. Denilson made that goal though, just wondered if there was a stat to measure that sort of thing.

    I wish there were sites where you could get quality statistical breakdowns like you get in american sport. Who covers most ground, wins most balls, the stuff i said above, all sorts of things that would end a lot of arguments base don purely subjective and emotive points. Imagine if we could get a thorough analysis of exactly what the drop off, or improvement, in play was from flamini to denilson (please dont start that debate again though)

  269. You like to leave early do you, Ron? Maybe sometimes not turn up at all?

  270. Hey c****s. What’s with the double standards? You know what im talking about. Just because Arseblogger has wit and puts things articulately, does that mean he be given a free pass? Does that mean he can say whatever he wants and get away with it? Frankly speaking, he might not put things as blatantly as me, but in the end we are saying the same thing. We both do defend the players that we want to defend, such as Cesc, Arshavin e.t.c. BUt when it comes to sH*** players like Eboue, Ade, and Diaby, we burn these little *****s down. As he himself admits, we both slate the team when the going gets tough (4 consecutive draws), and when we’re winning, we write articles praising the team as if we’ve always been behind them. And he’s been writing the blog for 6 years. Well I was born with a season ticket up my ar**. NO?!? Be honest now.

  271. ArseChicago, you forgot to mention ‘and not turning up to the games if you have a ticket and leaving early and booing the players and griping all throgh the game without singing a word’…thats another way to love Arsenal…sorry the State of Arsenal.

  272. Arsechicago – personally i like the Nixon approach to enemy hunting, it has a nice slapstick comedy feel, Stalin is too cruel. No need for gulags, lets just have howard hughes spy on them and make details about their sex lives we can put in the papers. get the IRS to chase them for tax evasion. Have the FBI accuse them of communist leanings and suggest they are all pinkos, reds, black sympathisers, or rainbow flag carriers – all colours are good. On second thoughts, not reds. Then we can all get tanked up on gin, scream at paintings and have Kissinger mock us. The game is family friendly after all.

  273. >>Hey c****s. What’s with the double standards? Just because Arseblogger has wit and puts things articulately, does that mean he be given a free pass? Does that mean he can say whatever he wants and get away with it? Frankly speaking, he might not put things as blatantly as me, but in the end we are saying the same thing. We both do defend the players that we want to defend, such as Cesc, Arshavin e.t.c. BUt when it comes to sH*** players like Eboue, Ade, and Diaby, we burn these little *****s down. As he himself admits, we both slate the team when the going gets tough (4 consecutive draws), and when we’re winning, we write articles praising the team as if we’ve always been behind them. And he’s been writing the blog for 6 years. Well I was born with a season ticket up my ar**. <<

  274. RontheGoon

    As I’ve said before this isn’t about humour, it’s not even about whether you like arseblogger or not. This is about the effects of this sort of thing on the fan base in general.

    Let me put it to you like this:

    When you were a child did you ever join in the ridiculing of another member of your class? Even if you weren’t doing it yourself, did you laugh at it? Looking back now would you say that it’s still funny? Likely the answer is no. Because you’ve grown up and realise that those actions have an impact on the individual who was being ridiculed. A negative impact.

    Now that’s not to say that what ever you were laughing at has lost ALL intrinsic comical value, but you have grown up to a certain age where you are better able to empathise with the class mate. As such you realise the damage that you are causing and so the instinct to laugh is replaced by a sense of empathy for the person in question.

    This is the same. Maybe it has comical value. Maybe arseblogger is a fantastic blogger. But it doesn’t change the negative impact on the relationship between Ade and the fan base.

  275. @ Frank, you shout and be aggresive at people you dont even know. You leave a bad taste in my mouth. Somewhere in the abuse you may have a point but you lack the skills to get it across in a peacefull manner

  276. Why don’t you tell arseblogger how much you appreciate him on his own site, ArseC, if you enjoy it so much?

    Or are you giving the rest of us a message?

  277. Hey frank – who do you think will be the player that makes the biggest, new/improved contribution this year from last, either being new, back from injury, or just better form and displays?

  278. Well Arseblogger has gone and I would have wanted to talk to him. Simply about journalist and publishing ethics. Seriously. A blog is a new form of media and a very public one. Usually when an editor or senior writer makes a mistake, and that was a big mistake, he is professional enough to say just that, and move on. I find his denial of everything, every opinion, and rejection of any debate utterly juvenile. Hope he reads this.

  279. Well put ZimPaul. I hope he reads it too.

  280. Apologies for the umm…tripple posts. ive got the delay disease. It gets really frustrating.

  281. Arseneholis, I was going to make a reference to Joe McCarthy, but I figure I should keep it on the other side of the Atlantic.

    Frank, I, too, am astounded (and, with respect to those leaving early at the Emirates, disappointed) by folks leaving early at matches. You see it in a lot of stadiums, particularly at Stamford Bridge. I forgot which match it was last year, but Chelsky was down 2 nil and people were leaving with 10-15 minutes to go. Forgot the exact result, but they either won it 3-2 or tied 2-2. But I was in disbelief watching that transpire on TV.

    I flew over to the Emirates twice last year for matches, and while I didn’t see a meaningful amount of people leave early, I did wish we collectively would’ve made more sustained and louder noise. That being said, I left the stadium not blaming any Arsenal-related blog. My feeling is that most people reading blogs about Arsenal care deeply about Arsenal and never find themselves complacent about the state of Arsenal. Complacency is what drives fans to sit quiet and still at a match and/or leave before it ends.

  282. I expect he will, Zimpaul. Dissapointing wasn’t he?

  283. I do not shout, Ron, and my purpose is not to get anything across in a peaceful manner, as you say I lack the necessary facilitation skills. Passenal is the best person for that.

    Ron old thing, sport, pal, the point is that over the last year or two many negative and more than a few of them,stupid, people have created a vicious circle of despite around the club, manager and players. Some of us have tried to reason with these fellows, and in fact few of them are women, but to no avail. Therefore we concluded that the vicious circle of destruction in support could only be combatted with a virtuous circle, one which allowed only good things to be stated about club, manager and players. We have been much maligned for this.

    There you are…very reasonable wasn’t I.

    Now fuck off, son.

  284. The point is simply the media and its proprietors have a responsibility. He has failed on every level. Terrible level of journalist ethics, he would struggle in any serious debate on this.

    I was wrong, sorry, carries tremedous moral weight. Maybe he will learn.

    Then again as satire, it was rubbish anyway.

  285. Consolsbob, I can tell from your comment here and past comments that you dislike me. But I made my comment here as arseblogger was actually here on the site writing today. Surprised I get under your skin so much.

  286. I think you need to ‘lighten up’ ****Chicago.

  287. For satire to work it must based on a fundamental or hidden truth, that is being revealed through the use of satire, and humour. What is the deeper or fundamental truth about that piece. Rubbish!!!

    Quite honestly he wouldn’t get close to being a cub reporter with such nonsense.

    The other thing is that editors and writers need to be prepared to take what they dish out. It is the mark of a decent writer.

  288. If you only knew how I just lightened up about 20 minutes ago.

  289. It’s good news about RVP. With the other players we have tied down with extended contracts so far the summer is going well.

  290. ArseChicago, you have to take all of this together. The blogs are not by any means the cause of the malaise within the stadium, but they can feed it, they give oxygen to the disaffected. Listen also to the morons who call TalkShite and 5Dead on the radio. Listen to the very stupid ex players on the box. All adds up to a fanbase that feels bad about the manager and players. Just at a time when this young squad needs our support, the fans up and leave. A fucking disgrace and I am sorry to say that Arseblogger is contributing to it.

  291. Yes ZimPaul, you have to be able to defend your work. And if you won’t or can’t what does that say about it?

  292. Top man, ZimPaul

  293. Anyone want to talk about football, the stuff that happens on the pitch? Anyone?

    Thoughts for the new season?

    Who will be the new star?

    Tactics?

    Anything but the whole soap-opera about good vs bad support.

    I basically agree with Franks point of view on all that, maybe a touch less frankly in my pronouncements though. After all this time though, i just cant stand anymore of it.

  294. Apologies to those who were held in moderation – just back from dropping Mrs YW off at the airport. So what did I miss…?

    YW

  295. Hahahahahahahahah…..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH…

    ..what did I miss…..HAHAHAHA….nice one centurion

  296. Frank – Why do we have so many ex players who are so critical of the club? There are a couple who are OK but the majority are probably the most vocal critics of the club. Merson is bad and Ian Wright is shocking, I now refuse to read or listen to anything he says.

  297. On the old tootle are we arsechicago?

    I spent 6 months working at the St louis post dispatch. First day they said write whatever, so i followed up on the relaxation of laws for being caught with small amounts in chicago. Had the mayors office on the phone, got them issuing a statement on their drug policy. All seemed terribly exciting and subversive at 21.

  298. Well the thing is YW. You know you really like Arseblogger, friend of yours, all round good egg. Was he a great, great friend of yours? Did his friendship mean a lot to you?….becuase…well I don’t know how to tell you this…

  299. We’re back full circle. The Arseblog Ade brochure and mindless media made up shit are in the same league.

    Arseblog is a good blog and a genuine Arsenal fan but would Wenger have seen the Ade brochure as comedy? Either way, whether he wants to sell Ade or not, the brochure won’t help.

  300. I think that a lot of ex-pro’s think it makes them look clever, or like serious journalists if they show no bias to their old club – generally the ones that are neither though. The ones who seem relaxed at what they do and dont take themselves too seriously generally follow the lads. It is an attitude that probably suits footy journalism more than the psuedo-intellectual nonsense.

  301. “Who will be the new star?”

    I want to say Adebayor will regain his star status from two years ago, but I think more to the spirit of the question, my money’s on Diaby to provide the ‘wow’ factor early this season. He’s obviously shown flashes of brilliance and I’m going to buy into the reports of his offseason work.

  302. I think it is part stupidity and part money, Marc. They need to fit in with their new media colleagues and the first lesson they are taught is not to be partisan. They are asked for the inside gen on Arsene and his players and they suddenly realise that they don’t know him or anything about him. Most of them have not taken time to coach, or learn to coach. The ones that have have a very different attitude and are far more positive.

  303. Arsechicago – i think diaby too if he can stay fit and gets games in CM.

    Bendtner maybe, although having scored 15 last year it would take a genuinely special season to go much better – not many people score 25 goals a year, i think he might though.

    If Gibbs can defend a bit, he got done postionally a lot, then he might take Clichy’s spot by years end. Vela might be up at 15 goals if he gets the games.

  304. arsenehollis – Bit radical wanting to talk about football on a football blog! I think that a lot of it is down to frustration, sexual or otherwise.

    I have a really positive feeling about the new season. A good signing, 2 important players coming back from long term injury (please stay fit) and several players extending contracts. I also have a feeling that we might see another signing. All in all it’s looking pretty good.

  305. Marc – very curious to see how Vermallhen (still cant get it right) fits in. If he gets a regular place alongside who and how does whoever sits on the bench deal with that. Depth is good and so is experience, so maybe best not to sell a defender, but it will take a bit of man management form arsene to keep ‘em all happy. Of course, winning smooths over many, many problems.

    My money would be on a new signing. I hope we get a new CM, perfectly happy with a younger guy, early 20’s, who can come along slowly this year but give us some depth and something different.

  306. Frank – I agree with you re the causes but why do you not get ex Liverpool, Chelsea or ManU players slagging off the team or managment. As for ex Spuds they act as if they have dominated us for years rather than being something like 15 – 20 years behind us.

  307. Oh yeah, anyone on the internet and still sexually frustrated really missed a meeting Marc – it is short term remedy at least.

  308. Morning all!

    I am just know learning of this Ade brochure, and I am appalled by it, it is not funny at all and I dont see how it was meant to be a joke, sorry for all those who support the nice guy, but!

    I looked at the brochure, very well thought out and very creative, are you telling me at some point during “all” the time it took him to construct this, his conscience didnt say “maybe this isnt a good idea”?

    I dont condemn him but no way should he be reading any comments on this blog that even remotely justify what he did and try to pass it off as some “little” joke that other media have taken advantage of.

    Some great news about RVP! what a player!

    FIFA Player of the year this coming season!

    God bless!!

  309. arseneholis,

    Star of next season: My guess is RVP. Gallas, Toure, Clichy have a lot to prove and will as well.

    Tactics: One thing I really hope they’ll work on in pre-season is limiting crosses. In my view, we concede too many crosses, considering that our full backs are quite good in 1-on-1 situations and are very quick.

  310. “Bendtner maybe, although having scored 15 last year it would take a genuinely special season to go much better – not many people score 25 goals a year, i think he might though.”

    I’ve always liked Bendtner; he tries very hard. I was worried that he regressed seemingly early last year, but he showed up strong at the end. Even without trousers.

    As for Gibbs, I think it will be very very interesting to see how Clichy responds this year to the challenge that’s been laid to his spot. Gibbs has a very bright future, but even with his shaky moments prior to last year’s injury, Clichy showed himself to be a world class left back. It’s a shame that Gibbs will have to start the season on the bench, but I suppose it’s a problem most teams would love to have. Still, Clichy is one of the guys on the field whose energy and pace and zeal help fuel the other players.

  311. I know I am late but had to get my 2 cents in.

  312. So many players to watch next year…I don’t see us buying any more players.

    Obviously really interested in Vermaelen at the back next year. Kieran is a star already. In the middle all eyes will be on Tomas, but I would like to think that Samir will kick on after his first pre-season. Up front…so many exciting options. I think that Ade may put in a great season if he is with us and I think he will be….Nick will take an extra step and become a real contender….I would like to see Eduardo, AA and RvP play together though becuase that combination could be devastating.

    BTW. Almunia will be the best keeper in the Prem next year.

    Of the youngsters I think we will see a bit more of Jack and Aaron and maybe a bit more of Henri Lansbury, but I can see the Carling Cup side being mostly our current under 18s.

    We are going to wipe the floor with everyone next year. Very exciting.

  313. ‘hollis, I hope that’s what Chicgo’s idea of lighting up is!

    I’m looking forward to seeing how our frontline beds down next season. With some players returning from long term injury, and others still settling into the 1st XI, it’s really exciting.

    Ade & AA will be the coolest attack when they rotate/play up front together.

    Very, er, English too. The classic Big Man/Little Man up front combo.

  314. Honestly I think the only thing missing from this squad, is an experienced defensive-minded midfield player. We need a cool head who’s at the top of his game and close to his physical peak who can set the pace and dictate the game.

  315. arsenehollis – I don’t think that Wenger would spend almost £10 million for a player to warm the bench. Vermaelen might start on the bench for the first month or so but I think that he will soon be first choice. The million dollar question is who will be first choice alongside him? Gallas or Toure, they both have pros and cons, not all of them solely on the playing side. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Wenger do something unexpected.

  316. Agreed about crosses being an issue needing to be addressed this year. I also want to see the midfield be more confident with its passing in. In terms of tactics, we just need to get Comrade Arshavin in a place on the field he feels most comfortable.

    Easiest way to induce goosebumps? Watching the four goal Anfield game.

  317. Ole – what about someone less established coming through, either into the team, or becoming a real star?

    A-chicago – for me clichy was off the pace last year, as bad a season as Ade, if that was really that bad. Im glad gibbs will be keeping him on his toes.

    Funnily enough, my feeling about full-backs is sort of the inverse of Ole’s. I hope we can get some decent play out of them going forward, better technique and link up. Last year i thought you could tell how well we played by how many times the full backs crossed the ball – the more they cross, the more frustrated and uncreative we are through the middle of the field. Sadly neither full back is very gifted going forward.

  318. Vela is the player that excites me the most, I cannot wait for him to mature and fullfil his potential. Ramsey is another kid I cannot wait to see get it done.

    Wow, what a team! what a future!

  319. OG, I think Denilson is a kool as they come and this past year will prove of great worth to me.

    Sit back and watch, we dont need anything more, I think!

  320. “At the end of the day it’s entertainment, a lot of people thought the brochure was funny, I never thought for a second it’d spread like it did, but I’m not sure it’s disrespecting Arsenal anywhere near as much as Ade did last summer, for example”.

    Last point. This para really sticks out. You defend yourself by attacking the object of your ridicule, and deflecting the issue. Righteous and brave Mr. Arseblogger! (That’s satire for dummies btw).

  321. Ahollis, Clichy seemed to take a step backwards certainly. Sometimes he let his deer-like speed take over too much. But I still think he’d start today for a decent portion of the world’s top clubs.

  322. If Eduardo can regain his pre injury form we have one of the most lethal strikers in the league. The only player (outside of the club) who comes close in my opinion is Torres.

  323. Ole – completely agree about CM, our only weakness.

    Marc – how do you keep both gallas and toure happy when one has to watch the guy he cant stand form the bench?

    Frank – i think it will be interesting to see who and how our attack works out next season. We might rotate a hell of a lot with all those players now.

    tactically, I would love to see us playing 4-3-3 at home with cesc, rosicky/nasri, in midfield and AA, with RVP behind the striker. That would murder a few teams.

  324. No more I promise.

  325. We need to remember that Clichy is still young. I think having a strong CB next to him will help his game.

  326. arseneholis,

    I have no doubt that Gibbs’ breakthrough will really animate the younger guns. Everyone from Vela to the likes of Coquelin to Randall will go all out to breakthrough. We’ll see a lot of kids do well especially Merida, Wilshere & Vela.

    But I think it will be the season of the older more established players. Every single one of them have question marks hanging over their heads, and as professionals they’ll be desperate to make them disappear.

    It’s about time we actually won the Carling Cup by the way.

  327. Arsechicago – certainly clichy is top class, but i think he can be better than he was last year. For me, he is still a bit of attacking skill away from being really world class and we need that from our full backs, that is why i think gibbs will push hard for the place, because he can get forward really well, link and cross.

  328. Ramsey showed some flashes of the good things to come. Made some confident, long passes in towards the box. Just wondering if he and Wilshere will be loaned out though.

    The great thing about the depth of this club is that, by rights, every starter should be hungry this year.

  329. Ole Gunner – The crazy thing about your last comment (and this is not a criticism) is that the older players are only in their early to mid 20’s.

  330. I think that Denilson will be the star performer next season. I think that more people will see what this kid is about.

    Hehehe. I feel like a little kid waiting to go to Disney Land for the first time! Can’t wait!

  331. Ole – i love the carling cup, this year might be even better than last season. If i had to pick a favourite plaer coming out of the reserves it would be Merida, that kid can really play, makes a few clear chances every time i watch him.

    Fabianski

    Hoyte – Djourou Senderos Gibbs

    Wilshere Ramsey Lansbury/JET Merida

    Vela Bendtner

    that side would be solid at the back and oh so good to watch going forward. (Could slot Song in at CM if we get into the semi’s to play with ramsey)

  332. I cant see wilshere or ramsey going on loan, the really good ones wenger likes to train himself.

  333. Yeah, I kinda wish both Sagna and Clichy could send it into the box with a little more altitude. As for Sagna, I actually voted for him as MVP last year. Showed up every game, hustled, made some brilliant plays and was one of the few constants in an often turbulent season. The fact that his name doesn’t often come up seems to confirm the great job he does. And he’s just another example of the type of talent evaluation you risk losing should Wenger not be at the helm.

  334. My only wish for this season is defensive discipline.

    I think we give away far too many goals at the back during vital times in the season – and it really takes from what we have achieved up front.

    I’d like to see AA play at number 10 and hope Rosicky and Eduardo return to full fitness.

    I also hope that Diaby realises his full talent. He’s such a great prospect.

    Like Ole – I too would like to see a DCM bought.

    Tactically – 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 but would like us to accentuate the positive and see less of the 4-5-1 combination.

  335. Oh this is so fantastic.

    Rather than pick out individual players, with our method and style of play, with the passing ability and movement we have all over the pitch, the combinations of players are the most mouth watering prospect I can remember in an Arsenal squad.

    Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal….Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenaaall….Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal….Arsenal….ARSENAL…clickclickclick

  336. Hi Squealer Joe

  337. Indulge yourself, ZP.

  338. Marc,

    It’s funny, but yes I mean the likes of RVP, Adebayor, Eduardo, Rosicky…

    It’s amazing how much hunger we potentially have in this team.

    Then there are the likes of Gallas and Toure who in a World Cup year will fight like crazy to establish their bona fides.

    Fabregas as well who must be frustrated that he doesnt seem to be able to convince the Spain set-up that he should be an integral part of the team.

    Wenger will have a lot to manage this season. What we need from him is serenity, and a bit of ruthlessness. I think this will be the ruthless season. The worst thing he can do would be to unconsciously transmit through body language, pressure and nervousness to the players. He has to be calm and ruthless.

  339. Frank – yeah the idea of cesc, nasri, rosicky knocking it about in midfield, or eddy, arshavin, and rvp up front. So many different formations, combinations, and styles we could adopt for different games.

    I would be in favour of playing a completely different side pretty much in both domestic cups. You could make a very good second side out of our first team squad for the fa cup.

  340. Too exciting for words, ah

  341. Ade up front also right?

  342. Interesting to see how many fixtures have been set up for the reserves over pre-season, or arsenal XI as they are called. this could be a decisive period for a few players, either stepping up or getting shipped out.

    Simpson, Barazite, Randall, Traore, maybe even some of the defenders form the first team fighting to be kept on for the season.

    I think competition for places and no guaranteed starters is a good thing, as is the youth coming through to challenge the older players. The U18’s might push a few reserves out, some reserve players might just push a few heads aside to.

    Young, fast, technically superb, motivated, and ready to fight form day one – that is the club form top to bottom. What a season we have in store.

  343. Very interesting to hear a jpounalists’ views on the issue Zimpaul, very enlightening.

    Arsechicago, sorry for the delay, putting in gateposts. No I don’t ‘dislike’ you, I don’t know you. I just found your response to arseblogger annoying.

    I have no issue with most of what you write, you are just not ‘onside’ with the positive agenda, I suppose. There are some here who will usually draw a critical response from me but you are not one of them.

    I am sure we will debate more. Are you actually in the ‘Windy’ City?

  344. Yep, in Chicago. Which is unfortunate about 70% of the year.

  345. Ade, RVP, EDS, Bendtner, Vela, Walcott, Arshavin, Rosicky, Nasri & Fabregas….

    I can’t wait to have that lot fit and playing Wengerball. When do the rest of the troops arrive for preseason…

  346. Frank,

    Your just boiling for a row now that Arseblogger came onto this site.

    I can only presume you think that I went onto the Arseblog and requested that he come onto this blog to consolidate my point – hence the “Squealer” jibe..eh?

    Nope. Not me. And if you doubt that, not that I really care if you do, – then YW can contact him directly and find out the truth – or better still, why not ask him yourself?

    He seems to be an honest and approachable chap!

    Put you in your box didn’t he..!! :-)

  347. Great posts Zp!!!

    You’ve not left anyone to add something on that issue now.

    As for our team, I dont wanna mention LG, but the “it” suggested that we needed to get our act straight with new players or whatever, because we’ve got tough competition, from teams BELOW us e.g ManCity. Reading that article, just made me wonder the differences that people on here have with them, when it comes to expectations from the team. I wasn’t the slightest bit worried when Villa was challenging us this year. And they managed to punch above their weight, while we had too many problems of our own, with regards to injuries and defensive issues. With everything working out this pre-season, with the team getting time to gel, and find the fluid movement and adjust to each other’s game, I would be shocked if we didn’t really challenge for the title this year. We have too many players, and too many combinations that can be devastating when attacking. And personally unlike many blogs, I really don’t see any need for any additions to our team at the moment. Unless someone decides to leave.

    P.S Adebayor staying would be better than any striker that we can bring in.

  348. Ole – thinking about what you said about CM. I think Senna would be superb for us. Everything we need as a player: smart, experienced, savvy defender and a rocket shot when teams sit deep. Plus, he would be affordable and we could get a few good years from him before he would naturally make way for the younger players coming through. (Between him and gilberto, denilson couldnt have 2 better brazilain mentors.)

  349. Agreed on ade ateeb, he is as fertile as they come.

  350. But what will happen when Giggs and Lennon outruns Senna, and he is not able to keep up?

  351. “If Gibbs can defend a bit, he got done postionally a lot, then he might take Clichy’s spot by years end.”

    I think this is unrealistic – Gibbs is 19, Clichy is 22. Unless the latter’s form drops off dramatically or he suffers a serious injury, Gibbs will just be a good back up enabling Clichy to be rested from time to time, particularly in the cup games. We have to be careful not to put too high expectations on young players, when we know performing consistently at a high level is not always possible for them. Give him a couple more years, and I might start seeing things your way, but for now he needs to be brought on slowly.

  352. ArseChicago, I also had a vision of Diaby dominating the midfield and creating space for Cesc and the rest. But then I had the same vision last year and… it didn’t happen.

    Arseneholis, in terms of defensive midfielders I also wonder if we could bring in an older, experienced player who will give us two good years and then clear out for the youth. I mentioned Senna earlier this summer because he is absolutely world class, the best there is, I think. He is tough, smart, a great passer, has a wicked shot, takes mean free-kicks and even has attitude. He will teach Song, give Denilson time to mature physically and then clear out. The Daily Mail (hardly reputable) has Benetiz looking at Cambiasso should Mascherano leave. If he can be pried loose from Morinho’s grip, then he is another great one. I KNOW this is not what Wenger will do; it’s not his style. But I do wonder if an older player on his way down might make more sense than a young one on the way up for this team. We already have so many of the latter.

  353. Passenal – if clichy is 22 and has been in the team for 3 seasons now, how old would that make him when he took over?

    I dont think age is important in that fight. As I said, Gibbs must improve defensively and is behind clichy in this respect; he hasnt been a fullback very long. However his experience as a midfielder gives him the edge going forward, so if he can catch clichy, IF, then he could take that place.

    California – Saw senna a few times last year, he looks excellent and maybe we could get him at a good price given his age. I would rather him than melo i think, maybe does the things we need most better.

  354. I have to aggree with passenal. She is one of the very wise one here.

    We’ve got Denilson, Diaby, Song, and supposedly Nasri who could play in that position. We have Ramsey, Randall, Merida, Conquellin and a couple of others who’d be challenging for the CM position in a couple of years. Any addition for that 2 positions in the centre of midfield, would to me atleast affect adversely the development of the above mentioned 8 players.

  355. Cali,
    I think a lot of us were expecting more of Diaby this past year and had he been at all consistent, he could’ve become a regular in the first 11. Just sitting back and thinking about who on this squad could actually surprise this year, by definition, there aren’t a lot of players on the squad for whom success would be considered a surprise. But if you think about guys like Song, Denilson, Diaby, Gibbs, Bendtner, etc., I’m putting my finger on Diaby as a guy with the most ability from that limited group to do things that make the collective lot of us say “wow, where’s that been all this time”. Hope we’re not back here a year from now wondering why our visions never pan out.

    Agree with thoughts on a DM. People sometimes question what is meant by having “experience”, so specifically, I’d like to see someone physical with an attitude and tendency to scrap, a confident passer, and someone that’s played 1st team football for a handful of years for a club of repute.

  356. Nope, Squealer Joe, wrong interpretation again. You never fail. If you read the responses you would see the name Squealer cam from your obvious childlike thrill at your hero being on here.

    Put me in my box is one interpretation of events. Not surprisingly it is not the one I would use or any others that discussed the issues with him rather than trying to get into his knickers.

    You are a toad are you not! Why don’t you post on his site, toad.

  357. When you have a fruit tree, all the fruit to not ripen/mature at the same pace ensuring that you have fruit to enjoy for a longer period of time.

    Our players may not all be at the same level but they are constantly maturing and getting better which means we will be enjoying the fruit for many years to come!

    Gibbs, great player! to come back from the CL semi and play against Man U as he did was great!

    ZP, your info was great, I am waiting for more even though that debate has quieted a little.

  358. One more thing about the Ade brochure, it is not bad because other media got a hold of it, it just is, even if no one else even read it apart from the writer.

    I hope what has been said changes the mindset of many.

    Simply put, supporters are to support.

    Lets do our job with pride!

  359. joe,

    as far as I can see arseblogger crawled back into his box. You should follow his example instead of hiding behind arseblogger’s ass.

  360. I just disagree with the majority of your regarding the Ade brochure. It is a really funny and I think it is fine to take the piss out of oneself or one’s team — as long as your heart is in the right place. And who can doubt that about Arsebogger. I rather fear that this lot will give Arsenal supporters a reputation for being thin-skinned.

  361. BTW, I actually think Denilson could surprise — showing some very flashy offensive moves to go along with his more defensive midfielder role.

  362. You rather fear that, do you, California Gooner. ‘Thin skinned’ as opposed to ready to criticise your own team at every opportunity and not turning up when the team needs you most. Seems to me that the Doomers and critisers of the team ‘for fun’ can’t take the same stick when it is aimed at them…..I rather fear that I do.

  363. That might surprise you and the doomers,CG, but it won’t surprise the rest of us since he is already an attacking player and has shown us many attacking ‘moves’ already. Unless by offensive moves you meant something a little more risque.

  364. No Frank. I am quite aware of Denilson’s attacking capability. But for the last 2/3 of the season he was asked to sit deep and shield the defense. I think next season he may have more opportunities to get forward and while you and I might know what he wil do, many in the football world will be surprised.

  365. What like a reverse somersault kick in to Nani’s face and then land on his feet before moving in to a relaxed stance with a satisfied look on his face? Yeah that might be cool to see.

  366. Things are always funny when you are not the one in it.

    I wonder if Ade thinks it funny?

    “as long as your heart is in the right place”

    CG, do you know how many people do wrong with their heart being in the right place.

    To me this has nothing to do with thin skinned, this is a blasted shame that someone would put so much effort into trouncing a player on a team he supports.

    “Over the top” is an understatement for this attempt at humor.

  367. arsenehollis – it’s not so much the age of Gibbs, but given the age of Clichy he may have to wait a while for a more regular spot. Having a few good games is not the same as being relied on every week in the PL and CL. He is an excellent prospect and has done and will do well as back up to Clichy, but I just don’t think he’ll be ready to be the main left back for the team this season.

  368. Sorry guys – In the Caribbean it was “mid-mid” morning of a work day and I didn’t think it was wise or prudent to take on Mr blogger on the company’s network. As you know I am not afraid of taking on goomer-dom. There are many who like to tey are not a “pr machine” for Arsenal football club but don’t mind entertainment at the expense of someone who happens to look different and speakdifferent from the majority of domestic supporters. But I am grateful to those who challenged the weak excuses that were offered for the continuing undermining of our team which 1st goes into battle in another two weeks.

    I am still reviewing the postings to the excellent thread that resulted.

  369. gloomer-dom, not goomer-dom. Whats that?

  370. I know I’m a bit late to put my view about the Ade brochure but I will do anyway.
    Earlier in the week I watched the final part of the season review on Arsenal TV. At the end AW was asked for his comments and views of the upcoming season. He said things were very positive provided everyone involved with the club stayed positive despite all the negativity in the media. He included supporters in this.
    When I first saw the brochure I thought on no!
    Ade is one of our most important players but as was shown by his BBC interview is being depressed by thoughts that fans want him out. It just seemed that this sort of thing could be the catalyst to yet again destabilise us during the close season, with anti-Ade articles leading to him deciding he wants a move sometime in AUgust!

    And a couple of other points.
    I’ve read that Vidic heared there was interest in him from Spain, went to SAF and was straight away given a pay rise to reflect his status.
    John Terry has been offered a big deal at ManC and now wants showdown talks (and no doubt a big payrise) with Abramovich.
    Is Ade any worse than either of those?

  371. Well said JohnN

  372. We all know you are a star, s-g

  373. What has really pissed me off over the past four is the continued and repeated doubts as to whether questioning of Ade’s loyalty fto AFC for 09-10. AW states clearly he has no intention of selling any of the current squad, will only add one or two defensive pieces. Yet despite this Ade’s denial of interest in Milan, everywhere on the internet, both in the mainstream media and the blogs, is the assertion that Ade will go, even in nominally pro-Arsenal blogs. Of course the story is spun “Ade is a doubt.” Yet the “entertainer from Dublin” thinks it is quite OK to give credibility to this destabilizing story. Yet they are quick to quash any questions concerning Cesc’s allegiances.

    Lighten-up Shotta, lighten-up!

  374. Thank you Frank. You are the true STAR.

  375. ‘Fat ugly man that looks like a troll’…Martin Jol…Hahahahaha…great stuff, Blackstock

  376. So much spelling and grammatical errors – I am in too much of a hurry. Gotta go!

  377. Blackstock, thanks, now that’s love for AFC.

    Thanks for your posts the other day after I posted the link to the brochure SG.

    However nice a guy the AB may be, that brochure wasn’t an act of love for AFC.

    I’m out, thanks again SG.

  378. Agreed JohnN.

    I keep on saying it this isn’t about humour or arseblogger as an individual. It’s about the consequences of one’s actions. That goes for all of us not just one particular blogger or a particular set of fans. And for those that doubt the effect that we can have; why do presume that Ade and Wenger have come out and made the comments that they have made?

    We do have the power to influence the club that we love. Now we have to decide how we want to utilise that power. That is the key issue at hand.

    The brochure thing is merely one facet of a much larger problem.

  379. let’s have some more Arsenal music

    I wish I could play like Charlie George,
    ‘Cos there’s nobody else like Charlie George…

  380. True dat SdT!

  381. Anyway guys I’m off. Keep up the good work.

  382. ROCK ON

  383. I have these 70’s classics on vinyl

  384. And finally… the greatest jam in the history of music

  385. This season, I’m most looking forward to some of our regular starters being relegated to the bench. That should wipe the smiles off their faces.

  386. I love looking at the comments section on here. It’s like taking a peek through the window of the asylum…you know you shouldn’t, but can’t resist it anyway.

  387. I’m not convinced that was arseblogger.

  388. No I must admit I am not totally convinced either.

  389. If Cesc, Adebayor, or any player busted his balls on the pitch, I’m sure the F.A. would have something to say about it.

  390. http://www.esnips.com/doc/27f6427c-23db-4f04-9ff8-9f896f64ea0f/Shouting-for-the-Gunners

    Couldnt find this on youtube.

    Tippa Irie and Peter Hunningale

    “Shouting for the Gunners”

  391. Poliziano,

    To me, it doesn’t matter if it’d been or not been Arseblogger.

    We were making a very good case against Arseblogger’s brochure and picking on Arsenal players.

  392. That was definitely arseblogger earlier.

    *takes deerstalker off*

  393. The greatest song ever…

    And another good one:

  394. Blackstock, I thought I would post that song, Tippa Irie was one of my biggest influences when I was on my way to Reggae Stardom, so I thought atleast! ha ha!

  395. I think it was him but what was written made him feel ashamed and instead of admitting his error it was easier to run.

  396. Pz / Frank

    It was.

    YW

  397. I stopped reading Arseblog a couple of months into last season, because I got tired of his campaign against about half of our first team. Since then, I have only visited two or three times. Following the outrage on here, I had a look at his Adebayor brochure. Compared to his treatment of many of our other players, it is rather tame. At least it was a joke, whereas his denunciations of the rest of the team are deadly serious. Some of the humour in the brochure is not really at Adebayor’s expense. The person who claimed to be arseblogger pointed to the claim that Adebayor’s top speed is 145 km/h. Whatever humour that claim possesses comes from its intrinsic absurdity, not from ridicule of Adebayor. Personally, I wouldn’t mind such a brochure once a season if it meant a more reasonable attitude to all our players the rest of the year.

  398. I never knew Tippa Irie was a gunner! Brilliant

    That’s another one to add to the list of gooner musicians/dj’s

    Let’s see…

    Johnny Rotten
    Pet Shop Boys
    RAY DAVIES
    Rodney P
    Blak Twang
    Gilles Peterson
    Pete Tong

    While Man U’s most famous supporter is Mick Hucknall!!!

  399. To all those who may have forgotten what one of Europe’s finest mid fielders can do, here’s an ode to the “little Mozart”

  400. Jeeez, that was hard work going thru the Arseblogger Inquisition…

    Fair play to him for coming on over….

    He is such a nice guy, we have holiday villas in St Tropez opposite each other and our children both attend the same finishing school… I recomended his nanny to him and Mrs Bloggs… We often discuss all things Arsenal when playing Plo and attending Henley Regatta… he told me to put all my equity into Apple back in the 70’s….

    Great guy…

  401. Oh, and thanks for your replies last night Alex and ZP.

    ZP, Have to say that I was surprised how much you agreed with that article – until I started reading a bit more about SA. I’d heard stories from friends and seen the news, but I wondered whether it was exaggerated.

    Louis Theroux’ documentary got a lot of criticism for being too sensational – he went into Joberg inner-cities, tenements, met protection rackets etc.

    -

    And Alex, I agree. Can’t add much to that.

    I think Chelsea will be our closest challengers this year.

  402. Sensationalist.

  403. I’m desperate for more news about preseason. Anyone have links, anecdotes or even gossip?

  404. “Joburg”

  405. It must be the close season if the major concern seems to be a joke published by a fellow blog.

    Those of you that have taken offence at this need stop blowing things out of proportion and lighten up. Everyone is entitled to think what the fuck they want about any of our players, and the internet gives them the medium to cnvey this to whoever they want.

    It is not a vendetta, nor will it effect any transfer proceedings, as as been suggested by some people whose parents were clearly brother and sister.

    It’s going to be a long summer at this rate.

  406. wicked!

    That pass around 2:48 was serious!

  407. about 3 months I make it….

  408. Everyone has a right, with rights comes responsibilities.

    Thats the problem, everyone has a right to chat pure crap!

  409. That’s what I heard as well, Spike.

  410. Hey, I dont believe this thing makes him a bad guy in the least.

    I would however love to see him take as much time creating a brochure to big up one of our players or team! Now that would be beautiful.

  411. Could ‘ave just been typical media bullshit.

  412. Well, you have the internet which gives anyone an opportunity to air their views, opinions, etc and we also have a plethora of right old lazy hacks in a desperate need to fill newspapers and still be able to put a serious shift in down the boozer….

  413. Anyway, I think we should be spending more time celebrating RVP’s new contract.

    Just have a feeling he is going be at his best this season.

  414. Hack;

    “Hmmm, do I sit in this office, thinking up an insightful, fresh, original news item related to football, that will require, research and a wonderful use of grammer and wit, that wilol take up most of my day, leaving me not much time to venture 50 yards down the street to the Kings Arms, or do I just nick some shit I seen on the tinternet???…”

  415. Robin signing his new deal is wonderful, marvelous, fantastic news….

    His quotes are only the kind of stuff I have come to expect from him… How he could not imagine himself in another shirt….

    Jeez, must be a bit pongy, smelly by now???

  416. Tinternet? What about hinternet – a cross between hinterland and internet.

  417. Rosicky is amazing, how good it will be to have him back. Him and cesc playing CM with a holding player would be superb.

  418. Pinternet? A new chain of Cyber Pubs.

  419. @ arsenehollis.. rosicky makes clichy’s job so easy on the left.. his solid tackling vision and style is so discreet and soooo effective.. hleb(the wizards apprentice) and rosicky were the reason flamini looked so good coz they had amazing covering.. in the 1st half of the 07/08 season hleb was as good as fake ronaldo until the second half of the season when he fizzled out, the reason behind that being the injury of Rosicky… he is Arsenal’s answer to Iniesta..

  420. I agree, the thought of Arshavin Fabregas Rosicky in midfield is… good, spine-tinglingly good.

  421. While it is heartening to see the club move decisively to secure some of its best and most promising players, the retention of Gallas may be the toughest task for AW and Gazidis.

    Gallas seems intent on leaving the club next year on a free transfer and seems reluctant to sign a new contract now. Its unlikely that Wenger & Gazidis would allow Gallas to walk away on a free next season. Something has to give. Hope Gallas signs a new two year contract before the season begins.

  422. Harold…… Pinternet………with………. lots…….. of ………. pregnant ………. pauses…..

    Nitey nite

  423. Kitchen Sink,

    Rosicky in full flow is a joy to behold and an equal of Cesc. His range of passing, workrate, creativity, ability to shoot from long distance and ability to finish off forward play by rushing into the box is outstanding. If he gets some match fitness early next season without sustaining any injury, we will be very formidable indeed.

  424. Wow.

    Some people have never even heard of a sense of humour.

    Or sarcasm.

    Or wit.

    Or a sense of proportion.

    Or an understanding of how little influence blogs or supporters really have over players. Who generally don’t give a fuck about anything but themselves and their wage packets.

    Hopefully these people manage to find a life before the new season starts.

  425. Alex,

    Your right. There are 6 CB’s are Arsenal at the moment. Sendy, Djourou, Kolo, Gallas, Vermy and Silvestre. Too many – so someone will probably go. Wenger just hasn’t allowed any departures until our business is complete on the transfer market. I do hope its not Gallas though.! He’s far too valuable.

    Kitchen: “Rosicky – the Arsenal Iniesta” – great comparison..!!

    Spike: – Heh….smelly shirt…

  426. If the players are so bad, why are wasting our time supporting clubs? no matter what is said, you cannot support a name or a club without supporting the Hman being who we enjoy and who give it life.

  427. By: Blackstock on July 8, 2009
    at 7:13 pm

    brrrraaappp !!!!!!!!

  428. arseblogger seems like a very good man. he is funny, he supports the club and the manager, he is critical sometimes, he has a right to be, who doesn’t, just as people have a right to be critical of him.

    wenger is a genious but there are issues which cloud perspectives on him. he is operating in a different financial environment to other top clubs yet if he states overtly all the time that he can’t buy anyone he’d like then that adversly affects the value of the club, most importantly to the likes of fabregas.

  429. geeGunner!!

    brrrraaappp!!!? WOULD PUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLLL UUUUUUUUUUUUUPPPP!!!!! work also?

  430. Thanks for posting the songs and videos Blackstock, Paul N and Kitchen Sink – it’s so nice to remember all that is so good about this club. I’m feeling even more upbeat now that the players are back in pre-season and RVP has signed his new contract – no negative nellies are going to spoil that for me.

  431. Ha

    that what i was trying to say

  432. hhhmmm.

  433. frank, surk the turk.. go down the pub, have laugh about the brochure with your mates, you can’t deny the fucking hilarity of it. Gazidis is payed to worry about get the most for ade.
    Don’t scream ‘Ohh arseblogger should think about the biggger picture!!”. if we all thought about the bigger picture we’d realise the absurdity of getting worked up about 22 men kicking a ball about (or just each other if you come from Hull).

    my above point was merely that, a point. i would like to emphasise football is not absurd. It is life and death and to quote Fever pitch it IS NOT JUST A GAME!

  434. lets get back to what we do best

    slagging off the spuds and sock cucking

  435. .

  436. [...] Pre-Season Training, Transfer Ins & Outs And Am I Lachter Intolerant? You know that Football is coming home when pre-season training begins and very reassuring it was too that Rosicky and [...] [...]

  437. I’d forgot just how good Rosicky is. If he can really get his fitness back all I can say to the rest of the PL is “be afraid, be very afraid”.

    Has any team in the PL ever had the choice of the attacking line up we could select from next season? Cesc, Rosicky, Nasri, Arshavin, Theo, RVP, Eduardo, Ade, Bendtner and Vela, then we have players like Diaby, who is working hard to make the step up – plus the best youth setup in the country with a crop of players with huge potential.

    The future ain’t orange – it’s Arse Red!

  438. Its pathetic how all the Ablogger apologists have scurried over here to defend their super-hero for his little premeditated “joke.” No apologies for his thoughtlessness which became further grist for the anti-Ade mill at the Mirror and Telegraph. Am not surprised, really.

    Kitchen Sink @ 8:41 pm – Thanks. That Rosicky vid is awesome in demonstrating how much we have missed the Little Mozart’s creativity for 1.5 seasons. Add to that the loss of Hleb and Fabregas for long chunks; no wonder we struggled as much as we did last year.

    Chuck it shotta – stop making excuses – its all Ade’s fault!

  439. Doesnt this make you tingle or what! for a home game

    Almunia

    Sagna Galas Toure Clichy

    Denilson

    Arshavin Cesc Mozart

    RVP

    Ade

  440. And an away fixture in the EPL

    Almunia

    Sagna Galas Toure Clichy

    Denilson Song

    Arshavin Cesc RVP

    Ade

  441. An away champions League Game

    Almunia

    Sagna Galas Senderos Clichy

    Diaby Song

    Arshavin Cesc Mozart

    Ade

  442. Thanks YW,

    Disappointed really.

    For those that think that humour or even the ‘brochure’ itself are the issue. I would suggest that your view is ill-considered and somewhat myopic.

    The first point is that the press and probably the media are fully capable of using blogsites as source material, and the theme that Arsenal supporters no longer really support the manager and players has been growing over the last season or so, amply supported by the poor level of in-stadium support. This has also been picked up by Arsene Wenger who has referred to it directly on several occasions.

    The second point was stated by Arseblogger himself. His blog is not there to provide PR for the club. It is there for him to say it as he sees it. Honesty is his tenet, not support. What is the point of an Arsenal blog if undying Arsenal support is not at the centre of it. I would suggest that that means support for our manager and players, although some seem to try to separate them from the club in order to justify their own sniping. This puts Arseblog into the same category as the hack dwarf. The very same ‘journalist’ who he parodies on his blog.

    Finally the issue is not about whether Arseblogger is funny or whether he is an all-round nice guy. It does surprise me though that a guy who has increasingly been dishing it out to our players on line in the name of ‘honesty’, cannot take criticism himself.

    I repeat…I am very disappointed by this whole sorry episode. But ir has been very, very illuminating.

  443. Very well summed up Frank. Too many people off the pace. Too many twats.

  444. RVP…Click Click Click

  445. The Ade brochure was the top story getting the most hits of the mirror’s website. Go figure….

    Now that RVP just negotiated £80k a week (reportedly) and there was speculation he might leave Arsenal.

    Why isn’t he suddenly greedy and lazy too? Or is that tag reserved for the African players?

  446. “One of the main reasons I signed was to lift a big trophy. I do not want to do it with a different team. I want to lift it with Arsenal,…

    I believe in Arsenal as a club, in the fans, in the teams. I just love Arsenal, which is the main reason why I signed,”

    U gotta love comments like that!! Come on you Gooners!!!

  447. Frank, good post…

    That’s what makes us hold on tight to this blog, and the positive and constructive views from YW and the majority of the regular bloggers here.

    It’s a shame that many people find joy in opposing and dissing the club they claim to love and the players who represent it? Is it really a thin line between love & hate? I don’t think so, there is an ocean between the two.

    All I wish is for this same exact squad to start winning, and we will see how silly those dissenters will look like then, very stupid.

  448. .

  449. Off to bed…

    9 days to first Pre-Season game…

  450. A very . To you to CBob

  451. Frank,

    Arseblogger and YW and many people who write blogs do so out of their love for the club. Arseblogger has being doing his blog, every day of his life, since 2002. If he feels that some players have disrespected the club with their antics – he is entitled to express his POV. Now you may not agree with that POV but at worst, as YW said yesterday, If you thought the brochure was distasteful – the most it could be seen as, given the context of who he is, was a joke that had gone awry.

    It was not, what you made it out to be, that is to sensationalise the brochure as an Anti Arsenal, Anti African statement of intent. In doing so, your were no better than the tabloids yourself as you misrepresented what the guy is all about. A little bit of context was needed.

    I am completely in favour of unilaterally supporting the club, through thick and thin, but if your an arsenal fan, as we all are, you have a right to raise objections against players that have disrespected the club, or have a POV on how the team are playing, decisions made, formations chosen etc. This is just offering diverse opinions that ultimately contribute to the quality of the blog.

    What you do not have, in my point of view, is an automatic right to abuse other peoples POV or in the case of arseblogger (or YW for that matter) – misrepresent their views and twist them to suit your own opinions. People like Arseblogger and YW, their credentials are impeccable – they do what they do, for the love of the club and because they provide a forum for fans to exchange views and support the club, they deserve a huge amount of respect for that.

    Your heart is in the right place Frank. I have no doubt about that. And your intentions are good. I have no doubt about that either. But you have no tolerance of others who do not think like you, and its ultimately a battle you will never win, because everybody is different. And the fact that the Club now represents a multicultural, global brand ever growing fan base – those opinions will be all the more diverse!

  452. The Arseblog brochure was like a Cesc to Barcelona story in the sun or the mirror or the news of the world. Baseless, generate a few laughs at the expense of Arsenal, completely ridiculous and devoid of substance.

    This from an Arseblog fan who still reads and will keep reading his blog.

  453. whats Arseblog?

  454. YW, before you start a new thread, I couldn’t let your Lachter Intolerant pun go by without some sort of recognition. Well done. Cheesey, but still funny enough.

  455. Me think that we should also try and destabilize the Barca players.

    Like drop some insider stories from the Camp nou on how Messi would love to play with Fab at Arsenal

  456. I agree, Mingus. Yogi’s joke made me collapse in peels of lachter.

  457. How can you not see, Joe, that Frank abuses Arseblogger by the same right by which Arseblogger abuses Adebayor?

  458. He risked a bit of flak to try a pun like that.

  459. Hey now, don’t milk it.

  460. Joe, the only battle is to increase the quality of support in the stadium and also online. Everything else is subservient to that.

    Blogging is very enjoyable and some blogs including this one, which I believe you misrepresent btw, have proved that it is possible to produce a blog and nurture many different opinions and angles without dising the manager and players, often in ways which are very creative and amusing. Untold Arsenal is another example.

    You reserve the right to criticise the manager and players in public, Joe, but you do not afford us the same right to criticise blogs and commenters. You belong to a strange group of ‘commenters’ who would rather criticise people like me than people who clearly abuse the club. You do it every time as did your friend.

    I am a complete irrelevance, Joe, and to some extent a construct. I have said before, I only have one purpose when blogging, and that purpose has been repeated over and over again….

    ….you cannot win this Joe. You can only join us or piss off.

  461. But on a serious note, what a wanker Dennis Lachter is!

  462. And I agree with Frank….

  463. Pypes Papper just pulled another one out of his arse. It’s not true that Man Poo have double Arsenal’s commercial revenues. The relevant figures are £44M Arsenal and £64M for Man poo.

  464. A cursory glance at the comments seems to present me with a choice. Support Frank who has never ever done anything but support Arsenal when writing for public consumption, or support Joe who is an apologist for someone who persists in abusing Arsenal players in public.
    Hmmm.
    No contest, the Arsenal fan wins.
    KOKO Frank.

  465. I agree with Frank. Up to one year ago I used to regularly reader the “entertainer from Dublin” until I finally figured out that he was big part of the problem, not the solution. Sorry Joe – your windy excuses simply prove you don’t get it.

  466. @Joe

    ….you cannot win this Joe. You can only join us or piss off. BFW

    He told me to pick up his opinions and ignore mine. oh We are sheep now who should follow him to nether nether lands.

  467. @Frank

    ….you cannot win this Joe. You can only join us or piss off. BFW

    everyone is entitled to their opinions. Respect that, then much respect will come your way.

    Its such a shame that to you its a matter of being in the right, i tell you its not about you.

    UP THE ARSE

  468. It’s so blatantly obvious that Frank supports Arsenal Football CLub. And that’s it. It’s not about him. It’s about AFC. You, on the other hand, arsenalkabisa, support arsenalkabisa and AFC second. The same seems to go to you, Joe. You support Joe / Arseblog first, your “right” to your opinion second and AFC third.

  469. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJIEaKP-CS8

    This is one link everyone needs..

  470. You are still not reading, arsenalkabisa.

  471. I do not have to respect your opinion, that is obviously a nonsensical thing to say. Pol Pot had opinions, Hitler had opinions. Opinions are just that, a person’e view of something or something. They can be evil, dangerous or just plain wrong, see ‘The Flat Earth Society’.

    I respect your right to have an opinion I do not have to respect it.

    AK and Joe, you are apologists for piss poor support. State your opinions here and expect to be challenged. If that is not acceptable, go somewhere else.

  472. @Mingus

    And your opinions about me are appreciated.

    They may be correct, or they may not be correct, but they still are your opinions.

    I will not start attacking them, or trying to dispute them or finding fault with it. I will respect your right to freely blog.

    And so shouldn’t you and others also respect other people’s right to freely blog? To give their opinions? The opinions may be correct, they may be wrong, but that is for the reader of those posts to decide.

  473. back to matters Arsenal,

    I was watching the clips from 2007/ 2008. Those goals were massive

    Me thinks this season will be the same too.

    ahhhhh nine days to the first pre-season!!! cant wait

  474. Oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear…we have another one.

  475. I blame the education system.

  476. There is no right to freely on another person’s blogsite. That is simply untrue.

  477. oh I missed out blog…so fucking tedious

  478. @CB

    Exactly.

    Hitler has opinions, Frank has opinions,

    Everyone has opinions. Some opinions too were respected when they were plain wrong. they were agreed to by everyone – like the ‘The Flat Earth Society’

    But everyone should therefore make up their own mind on what is right and what is wrong.

    That is why when i make up mine that i Find no fault with joe, or Arseblogger, its my opinion

  479. Utter fucking rubbish!

  480. Well, then why do you object when Frank disagrees with you here? He’s read your opinions, thought about them and decided that they are contemptible.

    That’s fair isn’t it?

  481. Also, opinions can be clearly wrong. You have a right to be wrong but I’ll call you on it. And yes it is about right and wrong.

  482. If I can add my 2 cents on the topic of the right to opinions. Frank is right, you don’t have to respect opinions, but you should respect people’s right to them.
    But how is calling someone cunt, idiot and other abusive terms respect? I think it’s ok to say someone opinion is shit, but you can’t abuse the person themselves, or tell them to piss off and leave the blog. That’s what I’ve noticed is rather prevalent on this blog compared to others and it clearly shows their right to have opinions on this blog isn’t respected.

  483. There is another post Henristic


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