Well, any expectation of a quiet weekend were thankfully dashed with Fiorentina’s official statement that Arsenal were the only club which had made an official bid for Felipe Melo. The statement was an interesting exercise. The first aspect is that it was issued in response to speculation in the Italian media that the player had agreed terms with Juventus. Given that it is not unusual by any stretch of the imagination for that scenario to arise, what did Fiorentina hope to gain from their utterances?
I guess the best is that they get a bidding war between Arsenal and Juventus, going above the €25m release clause. That seems unlikely for knowing that the value of a bid has to reach that level, there is no incentive for either club to exceed it. Acknowledging that Arsenal has offered ‘close’ to that value puts the ball firmly into Juve’s court; put up or shut up essentially speaking.
Presumably Arsenal has passed on the counter-offer that Fiorentina made to Emmanuel Eboue. The question that Arsene has to answer now is whether the gain of signing Melo offsets the loss that arises with Eboue’s departure. There are many who would still not be sorry to lose Eboue. That misses his contribution to the squad, on and off the pitch. He is by all accounts very popular with the rest of squad, fulfilling the role of ‘class clown’. That should not be a reason on its own for keeping him at the club yet that can have an impact on the squad. Fabregas has acknowledged that the loss of Flamini and Hleb affected him as they were friends. Judging by media reports from around the time immediately after the disgraceful incidents at the Wigan game, players such as Toure, Adebayor and Song would feel a similar loss.
Were a deal to go through involving Eboue, I guess that the crucial issue would be who is the long-term back up for the right back position if anything, God forbid, happened to Sagna? Gavin Hoyte had a torrid time last season at Eastlands in the Premier League and would be an obvious weakness in the Arsenal team. Given the predeliction for a section of the support to give any player who underperforms, a hard time, it is not beyond the realms of belief that Hoyte would be told in no uncertain terms that he is not good enough.
So who is left. Essentially, Toure or Djourou. Gibbs or Traore would be played out of position, which is bad enough when a right footed player is on the left but reverse that to the right and for some reason, the lefties make a bigger hash of it than the their opposites. Both the centre backs can cover in the short term but long term, you would be looking at the Ivorian for anything more than four games.
Arsene has to judge whether the signing of Melo will improve the squad. Certainly, he appears to have the tenacity that people, including Arsene to an extent, desire. A record of 17 yellow cards and 3 of their red cousins is nothing to sneezed at and to be honest, it is a record I am both impressed and disturbed by. The impressed part is that in a season interrupted by suspensions, it means that he was getting booked essentially every game and a half. Not bad going. Even in his indisciplined pomp, Patrick Vieira could not touch this. Hammer time.
The last aspect is whether or not Melo would get a Work Permit. Key to this is his international status. From memory, the criteria is that a player must have participated in more than 75% of his country’s internationals in the previous two years. Melo has not. There are other avenues to appeal and looking at those who have received permits in the past, he should qualify. Even so, his exceptional talent might be that he sees football in kaleidoscopic terms. Nobody quite sees the colours yellow and red swirling round like Melo.
Elsewhere, Emmanuel Adebayor’s Mr20% has sort of confirmed that the player has decided to stay. A less than ringing affirmation of the players future came when Stephane Courbis – for it is he – was pressed by The Observer on the subject of his client’s plans:
It’s the same situation as last week
So it is all down to Arsene who believes the player wants to stay. Not a bad idea either.
’til Tomorrow.























OMG! First again. I’m really good at this. A real sense of deja vu though…
Morning all.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on July 5, 2009
at 8:45 am
2nd
By: Gunner4Ever on July 5, 2009
at 8:48 am
I’m going up the ladder
By: Gunner4Ever on July 5, 2009
at 8:48 am
Rarified heights indeed G4E. Maybe we should read the post first
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on July 5, 2009
at 8:51 am
5th!!!
By: Muppet on July 5, 2009
at 8:59 am
Way too much emphasis on Eboue’s positives.
Just take the African Nations Crap into account and we are better off without him.
Wenger didn’t exactly rush to put him as full back when Sagna was injured, so it stands to reason that if he can be a makeweight in a deal to bring Melo, then I say bite their frigging arms off.
By: Harry Barracuda on July 5, 2009
at 9:01 am
This has got to be dodgy. At 8.30, all the bookmakers stopped taking bets on YW coming first.
By: OneOfUs on July 5, 2009
at 9:03 am
I did read it, I’m so fast YW
I agree in reference to Eboue as a cover for Sagna, how can we say we want experienced players and then we let someone who played in the PL for 5 years or so go?
We don’t have a realistic coverage for right back, which means we will be weak there if Sagna got injured for extended period.
How can we fix the midfield (if we assume it needs fixing) with weakening a very important position in the back line?
By: Gunner4Ever on July 5, 2009
at 9:04 am
Isn’t Vermaelen able to play right back?
By: rosicknote on July 5, 2009
at 9:08 am
What time is it over there G4E? It must be the middle of the night.
By: Consolsbob on July 5, 2009
at 9:13 am
it’s 1:18 am CBob..and a very good morning to you.
By: Gunner4Ever on July 5, 2009
at 9:19 am
Melo played more than 3 years in Spain…does that qualify for a spanish passport ?
By: Tokala on July 5, 2009
at 9:19 am
gallas kolo and coquelin all give us an option at RB….
eboue may ne seen as class clown…but its often the class clowns that can be a disruptive influence….and their comes a point were the teacher has to send them outside the class room in order to get the rest of the class to pay full attention again…..
he wouldnt be missed if he is to leave….
we lose an average player who is capable of moments of pure madness….and we gain a player who will strengthen the midfield…plus its one less player to worry about with the ACN coming up….
we are going into the 5th year without silverware….wenger knows he can i’ll afford to be sat making excuses again at the end of the season and it wouldnt suprise me if wenger offlaoded a couple of african players in order to strengthen his side with players we do lack….
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 9:21 am
Vermaelen is a left sided centre back, who can also play left back. Don’t think he can play at right back.
Perhaps Aaron Ramsey could be introduced as right back cover if Eboue were to leave and Toure was not available.
By: Muppet on July 5, 2009
at 9:21 am
Oh fuck off JonJon.. what a load of crap.
By: Muppet on July 5, 2009
at 9:22 am
Toure will do more then ok covering at right back for a few games, Sagna is too injury prone, and now weve got sum more cover in the centre toure maybe lucky to get a game next season so if he was to come in at right back im sure hed excel defensively at least.
Melo is required to toughen up our lightweight midfield, and can be rotated with Denilson and Song for lesser games to keep every1 fresh and happy.
As for Adebayor if he realises tht Arsenal actually have the possibility to win a cup, unlike last year, he may start playing to full potential, and there arent any great replacements look at united so desperate for front men tht thy signed owen…
By: fs on July 5, 2009
at 9:23 am
the fact of the matter is no one wants the sc*m called adebayor..he is n’th choice of milan..and all the major clubs this season need striker..except arsenal..and no one wants him..
i think arsene did a mistake by giving him a pay rise..he shud have checked his attitude before giving the extension..and if adebayor has some self respect he shud start working on field and shut his blody mouth in press..
i still feel he is good striker..if he mends his mind..
By: adc on July 5, 2009
at 9:25 am
Way past your bedtime G4E. You have to work tomorrow and there will be much to do here over the coming weeks.
Eboue is an excellent player to have in the squad, I will be surprised to see him go, even if this Melo story turns out to be more than a chimera.
By: Consolsbob on July 5, 2009
at 9:28 am
You can take a hike too adc, because your rectum has just exploded all over my screen.
By: Muppet on July 5, 2009
at 9:29 am
I blv the deal is worth it since eboue has under-performed since being moved forwad n has lost his defensive touch!thus the melo swap is most welcomed!n muppet wat african nations cup crap u talking bout have some respect!!
By: Hassan on July 5, 2009
at 9:30 am
Vermaelin is left footed. He is mainly a centre back, but can play at left back as well:
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/thomas-vermaelen-completes-move-to-arsenal
More like a Silvestre replacement?
If Eboue left, I think Djourou would be Sagna’s back up; from memory he was played there several times.
I saw it suggested that Flamini might be a makeweight in an Ade?
By: Nick on July 5, 2009
at 9:31 am
What are you blathering on about Hassan ?
By: Muppet on July 5, 2009
at 9:31 am
Nick,
A typical Daily Mirror story. No quotes, about as believable as copper bracelets for rheumatism.
By: Muppet on July 5, 2009
at 9:33 am
Agree with “Muppet”,, Wenger can introduce Ramsey as a back-up right back if Eboue leaves. Remember when he was playing for Cardiff,, he could play at the right back position.
About Melo I think one pre-season with Wenger and the squad will make him more discipline. And remember in the Premier League,, do not show the cards quickly like in Serie A.
Finally if Wenger does not sign a new defensive midfielder this summer I would book him a ticket to Madrid alongside with the useless Silvestre,, third class seat for him ! Wenger is clearly trying to get himself sacked,, he must changes his policy if he’s about to win something next season. No more playing the ball in front of the goal,, just play the old Arsenal way. 5 seasons without any major trophy would be a huge disappointment for the players.
By: Renan on July 5, 2009
at 9:35 am
I agree with Muppet.
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 9:35 am
Muppet has snapped, Frank style! Maybe it was last night’s comments that did it.
My personal fave, from the summary by Horse grit:
“but as someone pointed out earlier..no matter what you think of me without people like me their wouldnt be an arsenal for you to support…”
Hoooooly shit!
By: OneOfUs on July 5, 2009
at 9:36 am
“Gavin Hoyte had a torrid time last season at Eastlands in the Premier League and would be an obvious weakness in the Arsenal team. Given the predeliction for a section of the support to give any player who underperforms, a hard time, it is not beyond the realms of belief that Hoyte would be told in no uncertain terms that he is not good enough.”
For better or for worse, the supporters are more open to supporting and encouraging young English players. Knowing that Wenger does have a good history of choosing full backs (Gibbs, Cole = good; Justin, Gilbert = Bad, and so they leave and don’t play. Why’s it always the lefties?)- I think would give added incentive to get behind him; if Le Boss thinks he can be good enough, then it’s for a reason. Plus, as Sagna doesn’t really have a bad injury record, bar the odd knock, I think we’d be ok with the lad getting some experience just like Gibbs. Having your first professional game be against an in form Robinho while in the clubs darkest hour for years is unfortunate and I think we can put it behind us. Given a first team opportunity, you’d like to think he’d perform like Gibbs and try and grab the situation by the balls. Also, the two recognised Arsenal Youth & Reserves blogs seem to think he did pretty well on his loan time. Not saying he’s going to be a world beater, but if Eboue goes, I’m sure we can respect the lad in the 5 to 15 games he might play!
Another option not considered = Coquelin. He has filled in there a couple times like the smartest DMs (Hargreaves and Essien both known as pretty good right backs, Flamini got us to a CL final!) and impressed each time, although this is in the reserves.
It would be a shame to see Eboue leave. By the end of the season it looked like he was sorting his temperament and by all accounts, he excelled when shifted around to LM and DM at the start of the season. IF (a big IF) fans were to get off his back and IF (again, a big one) he was to cut out all the shit and up his work rate, he could have finally taken up the Ray Parlour spot in the team we’ve so dearly missed since he left. But if Wenger doesn’t think it’ll happen and if he thinks Melo is worth it, then fair enough, I trust his judgement a lot more than my own in situations like this; luckily, he’s the one running the team and not me!
By: Samuel on July 5, 2009
at 9:37 am
i think dat with felipe melo arsenal can win the EPL without a doubt -we got da attacking force with eduardo,vanpersie,arshavin,nasri,fabregas but the defensive duties song,dennis neilsn(he’z our best dm) and tourre gallas verms etc.but for deneilson to be our best dm-no plusi think we mite need to sell ade and buy a world class striker .niklas bendter is a gud playa.ma frend toold me he shud be an arsenal starter but hten reed dis:manure will have rooney and owen/berbatov.chelsea will have anelka and droggy liver pool will have torres and well have bendy?NO WAY-HOZAY
By: shaquille on July 5, 2009
at 9:38 am
OneOfUs,
LOL. It should be horse and then something that rhymes with grit !!
By: Muppet on July 5, 2009
at 9:39 am
Hey, Renan! I’m a great admirer of your books, but your knowledge of football doesn’t seem to be of the same standard.
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 9:39 am
Barracuda, what do you mean “African Nations crap” that is simply uncalled for… please respect other nations… Africa 66% is larger than Europe and has 53 nations, what makes you think the 50 nations of Europe should have a tournament and not Africa…?
anyway, Eboue is probably one of the hardest working players in that team and although not talented as much plays an important role in the team… Wenger should keep him and also sign on Melo… About Adebayor’s work ethic, i’m not happy, he should be sold but only for a suitable replacement…
By: takura on July 5, 2009
at 9:41 am
I think Eboue is very talented, but also (as you say in England) nutty as a cake.
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 9:43 am
thats a very true statement though OOU
if there wasnt arsenal fans around before my time there wouldnt be an arsenal for me to support
thats why i have the upmost respect for my senior gunner brothers/sisters and i would never question their loyalty and support to the club….
even if i dont agree with them….
some of you should take a leaf…because you still dont get it do you????
and its rather sad that we are encouraging a new age fan that feels such hatred towards senior gunners….and such hatred for gunner legends of the past…..
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 9:43 am
Sorry, Horse-gr-it-sh-it,
Must be another of them overseas fans.
By: OneOfUs on July 5, 2009
at 9:44 am
Tokala
Not sure – Brazil was a Portuguese colony rather than Spanish in the dim distant past so he might qualify via Portugal rather than Spain.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on July 5, 2009
at 9:44 am
hey! will stop ur silly racial analisis of ur empty and pethetic idea of catagorizing the african players and the rest !it is rubbish as an idea and rubbish as a temptetion u loser.football is colourless just work on it rather the colours of the t-shirts
By: isaak on July 5, 2009
at 9:45 am
Eboue is not the class clown he is just a clown.
Its amazing people are worried about a back up RB than filling the position that needs filling a dominant defensive midfielder which Melo is.Yes his disaplinary record is poor but so was the great PV4 and look how man y trophies we won
By: Gooner Ted on July 5, 2009
at 9:46 am
I’m working tomorrow? Hmmm, I didn’t know that
It’s Sunday and I don’t work weekends CBob.
As far as my work here, I will work overtime if needed.
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Eboue is a good player who doesn’t complain much when he is asked to play anywhere on the field. ..The fans who accuse him of being a f*ck up, should look in the mirror first, they may be part of his problem.
Rational is very good when it comes to this kind of situation, a player who can play right back, left back, right midfield can become so valuable at a time of need. I trust Wenger on this one, not saying Melo is a bad player or we don’t need him but is he really worth Eboue + how much money his club is asking?
By: Gunner4Ever on July 5, 2009
at 9:46 am
I would rather keep Eboue than sign Melo. Eboue was our second choice on the right wing and at right back last season, and he was used 44 times.
In central midfield, we just about have enough players.
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 9:52 am
You’re a typical Brit, Consolsbob: grit for brains!
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 9:53 am
takura
theres nothing wrong with having an ACN
every continent deserves a stage to shine on….
but it just so happens that the ACN falls halfway through the PL season….so we lose our african players for a month….
we have four…so its something that is going to affect us and we need to make assurances to cover those four players….
some people would say we need 4 new players others would say lets keep 2 and replace two and use the two going as makeweights for other players….
others woud say lets keep them all and not sign anyone but that idea is the most ridiculous one….
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 9:55 am
ACN comes in January because of the cooler temperatures, right?
By: Samuel on July 5, 2009
at 9:56 am
yeah but polly
a winger has to contribute more than eboue did last season…how many goals and assissts did he get???
for a winger thats a poor return…
and he cant defend…wenger bought sagna because eboue cant tackle….
so what do you do with a player who cant play FB properly because he cant defend…and he doesnt contribute enough to the attacking play….
add his tempremant to that….and we have a player we dont need…that can be used as makeweight to get a player we do need…
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 9:58 am
Also, you could argue that none of our African players are first choice anymore, depending on the roles of Eduardo, TV, Denilson (or indeed Melo) and Walcott/Arshavin. Not to mention youngsters slowly raising their profile and experience: Djourou, Vela, Ramsey and Wilshere who would all relish a month of games. It also comes at a time where we play many big matches, so there won’t be a question of commitment (just look at Gibbs in the semis) and their unknown quality could work for them, if that ends up the unlikely situation.
Also, when we play Chelsea, they shouldn’t have Essien, which is a bigger lose than our 4 Africans put together.
By: Samuel on July 5, 2009
at 10:01 am
The concept of attacking a fellow Arsenal fan who providess the club from thousands of miles away (through some random genetic quirk of fate) with unwavering support for being “overzealous” is bizarre.
All clubs should be so lucky as to have the likes of Ateeb and PZ and ZimPaul et al within their ranks.
Its just a shame that they have to teach many of us “locals” that supporting the club means appreciating the players we have not looking avericiously at those of our opponents.
Finally, i’d also like to make the point that buying a ticket or a shirt doesn’t give you carte blanche to call certain players or the manager names or to demand to know our transfer budget or what certain players are paid. It earns you the right to not buy another ticket if you don’t like what you see. That’s it.
By: Queen of Suburbia on July 5, 2009
at 10:01 am
Talking about Eboue,, if he wants to leave then just let him do it. I know he might be precious for all of you because of his versatility. But what we need NOW is a defensive midfielder and Melo is our best choice. If Fiorentina only want Eboue + cash I would finish the deal quickly because the pre-season training will start soon.
We got Song, Ramsey, Hoyte, and Toure who can play as a right back as well so Eboue will not be a huge loss for Arsenal.
It’s all on Wenger’s hand. Would he sacrifice Eboue for Melo to have a bigger chance to win a trophy or would he keep Eboue and not buying anymore players this summer so possibly we can enjoy yet another trophy-less season.
By: Renan on July 5, 2009
at 10:06 am
We already have the best young DM in the PL Renan.
By: Queen of Suburbia on July 5, 2009
at 10:07 am
Eboue got 4 goals and 4 assists last season. Not bad, in my opinion.
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 10:09 am
Very good points QoS…I wish I lived close to Arsenal to have the honor of watching the team I love.
It’s absolutely naive and backwards to think that a club like Arsenal can actually survive on the support of England or local fans alone. It may have been built and supported by English fans at the early stages of it’s long history, which we can not deny their great hard work and achievements, but to limit the clubs growth and support on locals would be futile to it’s future.
By: Gunner4Ever on July 5, 2009
at 10:10 am
Renan: It all depends on whether sacrificing Eboue for Melo means we have “a bigger chance to win a trophy” or not though, doesn’t it? Also, it’s not a case of “keep Eboue and not buying anymore players”. We have a renowned worldwide scouting network and could, presumably, find an alternative we want. Or, you know, pay the full amount for Melo and keep Eboue.
By: Samuel on July 5, 2009
at 10:11 am
hello QoS…
youve got it the wrong way round…its the fans that are thousands and thousands away that attack the ‘locals’
and id also add that the likes of ateeb and polly and ZP are lucky to have fans that are ‘local’
or their wouldnt be an arsenal for them to support…becuase i dont see how a fan from thousands of miles away can contribute to the wages and the stadium if thay cant go to the games…
so before they judge the ‘locals’ role in the club…they should look at their own… and thats it…
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 10:11 am
no samuel, africa spans over 2 hemispheres so your statement would not be valid, CAN 2010 coincides with the world cup and thus can not be played in the break but in the coming years will be played in june or july unless it coincides with the world cup again.
By: takura on July 5, 2009
at 10:11 am
“We already have the best young DM in the PL Renan.”
Best two imo! Deni and Song have their faults but to deny their young talents and the immense potential if they learn from their mistakes. Would still like someone for them to learn from though.
By: Samuel on July 5, 2009
at 10:13 am
G4E
no one is saying that they think the arsenal can continue without the support of the foriegn fans….
we need you and we accept you….
but without the ‘local’ fans there would have never been an arsenal for you to support so when you start judging those fans and telling them to support arsenal ‘your way’ your only looking for a reaction the involves the words fuck and off…..
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 10:14 am
Sorry if you don’t like it, but:
(a) The standard of football and officiating in the CAN is APPALLING. That’s why Egypt keep winning it.
(b) To hold it every two years instead of every four is utter nonsense and nothing more than a money grab.
(c) To hold it in the middle of the European season makes it even more stupid for European clubs to depend on African players. I’d be happy for Arsenal to offload all of their Africans unless they retire from international football. I’m an ARSENAL fan, not a Togo fan or an Ivory Coast fan (or England or Brazil fan for that matter).
I don’t want my players disappearing at a key stage of the season for this mickey mouse competition and then coming back injured.
(d) To hold it in a season when there’s already a world cup scheduled for Africa shows how crass it really is.
On a positive note, it is worth watching for the exceptional comedic value of seeing how badly players tackle before they are penalised; how badly players overact in an attempt at getting players penalised; and a dazzling array of shots that can end up almost anywhere in the stadium but the net.
By: Chico Guerrera on July 5, 2009
at 10:16 am
Utter nonsense Jon-Jon.
Distance is irrelevant. You think Ateeb wouldn’t be at The Emirates every home game if he could be?
There is only supporting the club and not supporting the club. And whinging, complaiing and reducing the enjoyment of Arsenal for those around is not supporting the club.
By: Queen of Suburbia on July 5, 2009
at 10:16 am
Takura: Thank you for clearing that up, I forgot about the World Cup, of all competitions!
By: Samuel on July 5, 2009
at 10:16 am
if we supported the club ‘your way’ arsenal wouldnt make any money becasue nobody would be in the stadium so you need to pack all this support your club properly business…..
it shows ignorance…
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 10:17 am
its not nonesence QoS
you are missing the point all together…..
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 10:18 am
i hope y’all are gonna come to South Africa next year so we can show you what Africa is all about…
By: takura on July 5, 2009
at 10:19 am
As someone who lives in London and cannot afford to go to more than 1 game a season, I wanna say that this a stupid conversation in all different kind of manners.
By: Samuel on July 5, 2009
at 10:20 am
Takura: To the world cup maybe. If they can reduce the homicide and crime rate and finish building the bloody roads that f**ked up the Lions tour so badly.
By: Chico Guerrera on July 5, 2009
at 10:20 am
thats bollocks q.o.s
we get called doomers by people that don’t even go.
you keep putting us in the same hole but if you read our posts we dont even agree all the time but still respect each other.
did’nt you like zidane its perfectly normal to admire a player.
i like le grove you can debate with a topic and not get insulted also geoff has an opinion but that does’nt mean i share it.
i remember you on le grove you dont have to follow these people queen just to be accepted.
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 10:22 am
Having a go at Ateeb or PZ for not going to games is like having a go at a blind guy who can’t carry out heart surgery.
Pointless. It’s not his fault.
By: Queen of Suburbia on July 5, 2009
at 10:22 am
fans have always whinged and moaned QoS…. always…
but they still turn up every week and sing their hearts out….
labelling fans in certain categories is wrong because their isnt a category….
there never has been….until recently….when the new age fan from overseas labells the fan thats supprted arsenal 50 years….turning up to the games and maoning about it after if we lost….
its a very ignorant way to look at things QoS
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 10:22 am
Where have this mob come from? Are these new regular prats or just Sunday blatherers?
In what particular way have I shown my English ‘grittyness’ today, Pz? I’m obviously a bit slow still.
Now JonJon, as you know there are some on this site who give you no time at all. I can see why. You misunderstand the running jokes on here that have been going on for months, if not years. You also have a pop at many bloggers who have argued their, and Arsenal’s corner against some right pisstakers and pillocks.
I get your argument about longstanding Arsenal fans, my father and grandfather were both Arsenal men, but you are wrong to think that gives the likes of you or me the right to say anything we want to about the club or that it makes us better fans than someone who supports from afar or through their Sky subscription.
The times have changed, I loved Highbury on a Saturday or a Tuesday evening. I thought going to games in the Seventies was absolutely brilliant, fantastic days and evenings. I can’t go much now. There are many ways to support. Moaning isn’t one of them. Ask your wife, if you have one, or yor mates.
I still think of myself as a loyal supporter. Many of those who profess to go to every game were posting garbage before and after every game. ‘Wenger is failing us, the Board are greedy, the players are crap.’ That is not support. That is what many of us on here will not tolerate.
I won’t give you a lecture again JonJon. Just think on it. Read some of the mild crap written on here today.
By: Consolsbob on July 5, 2009
at 10:23 am
I have to aggree with Pz on this one. I’d rather keep Eboue than bring in Melo, if it comes to that. Moreover as Yogi rightly pointed out there won’t be any RB cover left for us. Unless offcourse we go and buy another RB, which would have onvious limitations since the player wouldn’t be happy for a bench role, which Eboue fills whenever we needs. However if reports are to be believed we were also showing interest in Naldo, would be interesting to know if he can play at RB.
By: Ateeb on July 5, 2009
at 10:23 am
QoS,
Elegantly and accurately put. Classlessness in not national – as many of us older gooners now recognise – it’s a universal problem that has seeped its way into the post-Emirates AFC.
Those that know and can do better must. The others will hopefully lose interest in their media-inspired engagements with our glorious club and simple go forth to multiply elsewhere. JonJon, take the hint?
By: Dgob on July 5, 2009
at 10:23 am
i think its ok queen if people can’t go but to call someone who goes a doomer or that person is crushing our club is stupid.
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 10:26 am
Let me make myself clear because perhaps i’ve not been up to now.
As someone who attends 20+ games a season…i’m not critiquing those who go to games.
Thank God for those who go to games and support the team. No one would dispute that.
What i’m saying is that using somebodies geographical location as a means to attack them is wrong, purile and plain stupid.
By: Queen of Suburbia on July 5, 2009
at 10:27 am
chk this one..someone shud show this to ade
http://www.oleole.com/media/main/podcasts/arsecast/ADE_BROCHURE.pdf
By: adc on July 5, 2009
at 10:27 am
MR Chico Guerrera, I’m afraid to inform you that as much as you would like it to, the world does not revolve around European soccer… Questioning the integrity of our tournaments is simply ignorant… how did your European nations fair against the African ones in the confed cup? what happened to Italy?
please not that this is nothing personal but African football has a lot more to offer than your putting across
By: takura on July 5, 2009
at 10:27 am
yes QoS
but nobody would be in the position to say that to those fans if those fans didnt tell the people like me that do go to the games how to support the club….and do it their way…..
i made a point last night that arsenal was born into me and has been passed down from generation….
so even if arsenal werent in th PL and played in the conference id still support them and still have been going to watch them all my life….
yet on the other hand…a fan from overseas would of never have heard of arsenal if we werent in the PL and we played in the conference
so for that fan to tell someone like me….and im sure i aint alone….how to support my team…is wrong…its naive and ignorant and shows a complete lack of respect….
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 10:28 am
Consolsbob,
Bang on mate
By: Dgob on July 5, 2009
at 10:28 am
You won’t go, though, will you Kirby?
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 10:29 am
melo looked no different to denilson when i watched him he maybe older but i did’nt see much difference.
but i would like a real dm
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 10:29 am
I don’t recall the Lions Tour being played on our roads Mr Chico Guerrera… what i do recall is the springbok kicking ass…
By: takura on July 5, 2009
at 10:30 am
Jonjon at 10:28,
You’re unhinged. And, by the way, I’m a long standing British gooner.
Like intelligence, class and loyalty can obviously skip a generation or two.
By: Dgob on July 5, 2009
at 10:30 am
Song might be talented but he’s certainly not the best young DM in the Premier League. Before the second half of last season none of Arsenal fan or should I say most of Arsenal fans praise him like we all do now. He still needs 1,5 – 2 years before he fulfills his potential.
I agree with Denilson being one of the best young DM in the Premier League though. But he’s not really a physical player and still needs a mentor. I never wanted to see Gilberto left but it was Wenger’s decision I gotta respect that.
And do you really think Wenger will pay £21 million for Melo only ? Even the best player in Russia AA23 was only worth about £15 million.
By: Renan on July 5, 2009
at 10:30 am
Ah, Queenie, you said it so much more succinctly than me at 10.01. That’s wht comes of being a slow typist and stopping to givethe chickens left over rice and bubble and squeak.
Oh, and G4E. it’s Monday tomorrow my friend, even in the USA.
By: Consolsbob on July 5, 2009
at 10:30 am
we don’t attack them, we get attacked, thats what we are saying q.o.s
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 10:31 am
kirby – i think that if someone calls you a doomer you are perfectly entitled to argue against that point and demonstrate why you are not.
Just the same as I am now refuting JonJon’s assertion that overseas fans are somehow inferior to him by virtue of the fact that they live overseas.
By: Queen of Suburbia on July 5, 2009
at 10:31 am
I agree, JonJon, it does show a complete lack of respect.
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 10:31 am
HAVE TO SAY THIS WAS A GREAT ARTICLE.
I THINK THE KEY TO SUCCESS FOR ALL THE TOP TEAMS, ESPECIALLY ARSENAL, IS THAT THEY RETAIN POSESSION OF THE BALL AND THEREBY LIMIT THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE OPPOSING TEAMS.
FLAMINI DIDN’T GIVE THE BALL AWAY LIKE DENILSON, DIABY AND SONG DO. NASRI IS NOT FANTASTIC DEFENSIVELY BUT CAN KEEP THE BALL AND HAS A GOOD RANGE OF PASSING WHEN HE PLAYS IN THE MIDDLE.
PLAYERS LIKE PIRES AND LJUNGBERG WERE EXCELLENT AT KEEPING THE BALL BUT PATRICK VIERA WAS THE KEY. HE WAS AN ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC PLAYER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARK AND DOMINATED THAT AREA ALL BY HIMSELF: HE WAS THE BEST.
WE HAVE NOT WON ANYTHING SINCE VIERA LEFT: WE NEED SOMEONE TRULY WORLD CLASS IN THAT POSITION TO WIN TROPHIES. WE LET DIARRA GO AND MISSED OUT ON YAYA – THEY COULD HAVE BEEN THE SOLUTION, MAYBE MELO IS THE ANSWER
By: RAY on July 5, 2009
at 10:32 am
The local fans are important, but only 60,000 go to home games, and a few thousands go to away games.
The far away fans, will buy shirts, subscribe to Arsenal.com, buy videos and memorabilia…plus they spread the Arsenal name around the world.
By: Gunner4Ever on July 5, 2009
at 10:32 am
go where poland?
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 10:32 am
consolsbob
i dont think it gives me the right to say what i what about the club….
but at the same time i think it doesnt give other people a right to judge me…..and say what they want about me….
but they do….
and i dont aprecciate the phrase lecture… who are you to lecture me????
il read what i want and i’ll make my own opinions on it….i dont need people to make my mind up iom not a sheep…
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 10:33 am
Back to the issue,
If the fact that Gilberto out-performed Milo in the Con Cup is representative, I cannot see why we would be taking the regressive move of buying him – especially at the risk of weakening our defence by offloading Eboue. Cana still seems a better bet to me with similar chance of bookings but much more bite and energy.
By: Dgob on July 5, 2009
at 10:33 am
JonJon coming on “new” to a pro-Arsenal blog means that you start at zero.
Respect is to be earned, not assumed as your birthright.
That I think is probably your biggest “problem” on here in terms of getting along with other posters.
By: Queen of Suburbia on July 5, 2009
at 10:34 am
Poland? If you like. So long as there’s not an internet connection.
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 10:34 am
dgobshite…
youve jumped into a long standing arguement that you know nothing about…
fuck off
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 10:34 am
exactly qos
respect has to be earned…so how can i respect someone that calls me a doomer a troll a c*nt????
i cant….
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 10:35 am
g4e
the far and away fans tell the near fans how to support so thats just annoying!
i agree we are terrible at the emirates and that wonder of you song is the biggest load of shit i have ever heard, i miss highbury lots!
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 10:36 am
LOL nice one adc !
By: Renan on July 5, 2009
at 10:36 am
get melo signed up in exchange for eboue – a good player but a squad player at best without a cemented 1st team place. would then leave the option of playing melo behind an attacking 5 of theo, nasri, arshavin, cesc & RVP – something we’d all like to see
By: PerryG on July 5, 2009
at 10:37 am
ok pol but i like it here in london.
the internet is getting more and more important.
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 10:38 am
Ray for example comes on and states that Denilson gives the ball away too much…
You think people here should repsect that view JonJon?
Rays view that the proven most accurate passer in the Premiership gives the ball away too much?
By: Queen of Suburbia on July 5, 2009
at 10:38 am
kirby…we taked about highbury last night and how the emirates isnt the same…
you missed a good coversation mate
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 10:38 am
Renan: Considering his age and how important he was to a Cesc-less midfield making two semis and 4th, I think Song deserves to be considered. Personally it takes being Vieira to be world class under 25 in that position. Considering how far he came from that Fulham game, you can see a clear line from that, to here, to becoming one of the best if he tries hard enough and keeps his head up.
Also, Wenger and Fiszman have always said that we’d spend whatever on any player we figure is good enough. Price tag, like nationality, does not matter. Toure cost 250k, Cesc cost 250k, AA23 broke our record – all are great.
By: Samuel on July 5, 2009
at 10:38 am
hahahahah
QoS
by saying denilson gives the ball away too much doesnt entitle another fan to say you are a doomer or a troll and to support the club properly…
very very ignorant,,, and proves my point entirely…
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 10:40 am
Well, JonJon. Yopu missed te point again. I was not talking about you, I was talking to you.
You did not post bollocks here last season to my knowledge did you? Many did and it is those that we opposed.
You don’t like the term lecture? Whyever not? I’ve been to many in my time. It is not an insulting experience in the main. I was trying to impart some knowledge to you. I failed.
Read your last post to Dgob. Pot, kettle?
By: Consolsbob on July 5, 2009
at 10:40 am
RAY: DENILSON HAD BETTER PASSING STATS LAST SEASON THAN FLAMINI IN HIS FINAL SEASON. AS MUCH AS YOU WANT TO THINK CAPSLOCK MAKES YOUR POINT VALID, IT DOESN’T MAKE IT LESS WRONG.
By: Samuel on July 5, 2009
at 10:41 am
Time to move on Kirby, highbury is gone and so are Viera, Pires, Henry e.t.c. They’ve been replaced by younger players who are yet to reach their peak. And more importantly yet to play together for a considerable amount of time, due to injuries last season. That is why the pre-season is very important this time around.
Jon Jon, you talk about supporting the club even if it was relegated? But clearly you can’t help moaning about no trophies for the last 5 years, and then singling out players and blaming the manager. For a supporter like me, it’s unconcievable to slate Ade, Eboue, Diaby or anyone that plays in the Arsenal shirt. ESPECIALLY, when the facts on paper suggest that they have performed quite well. 46 goals in 2 seasons, is something to be proud of, not to be ignored. Can’t see any form of truce between you and me, as long as you continue slating the players. You talk about supporting the team through thick and thin? Well don’t see how you’re doing this by bashing the players.
By: Ateeb on July 5, 2009
at 10:43 am
yeah i loved highbury miss the place alot!
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 10:43 am
maybe your right conslosbob
but fire is fought with fire…people can give but they cannot recieve on here
il tell you what it is consolsbob
i first came on here last season and i was pissed off with wenger for experimenting with the team in the FA cup semi with chelsea….which by the way is something he admitted to himself….
and i was savaged by a pack of wild dogs and labelled and never lost that label….
thats why people on here dont like me…
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 10:45 am
Have I ever called anyone a doomer and a troll JonJon?
The point is that Ray expects respectful for his opinion but then spectacuarly fails to impart an opinion worthy of respect!
It is beholdant upon the newcomer to show respect for the regular inhabitants of the blog isn’t it?
By: Queen of Suburbia on July 5, 2009
at 10:45 am
i know ateeb i’m not moaning why do you put a negative spin on it.
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 10:46 am
A doomer is just a nominal supporter of a football club who mainly disparages the players or management of that club. Whether a person attends live matches is irrelevant to his status as a doomer. His country of residence is also irrelevant.
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 10:46 am
ashley cole played in an arsenal shirt ateeb so what you just said is bollocks
no players is bigger then the club
we support arsenal not the players we have favourites but they will move on!
but we should never boo!
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 10:50 am
To the world cup maybe. If they can reduce the homicide and crime rate and finish building the bloody roads that f**ked up the Lions tour so badly.
===============================
God knows how this fucktard ended up supporting a cosmopolitan club like Arsenal (sounds like a BNP reject) but first of all let me ask this imbecile if the US reduced their crime rate during USA’94 or whether England will solve their perrenial ‘hooligan’ problem before the next Euros.
Better still, will Gordon Brown sort out the UK economy before the Olympics?
Ignorant Twat = Chico Guerrera
By: Hento Makanaky on July 5, 2009
at 10:50 am
For the record as well JonJon – my first day on here was Waaaaay more fiery than yours was.
But I learned how to make my point in this environment in such a way that it was mostly listened to.
If you expect to come in to this or any new enviroment and have that environment shape to fit you, well, in Pscychology, that is one of the ways a prognosis of autism is made.
By: Queen of Suburbia on July 5, 2009
at 10:51 am
I agree, Kirby, that we should never boo; but if I decide to boo our own players at matches, that doesn’t entitle anyone to label me a booer.
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 10:52 am
Hehe CBob, you are right it’s going to be Monday morning but I have a lot of make up sleep time still on Sunday. I’m planning on sleeping till noon.
By: Gunner4Ever on July 5, 2009
at 10:53 am
lol pol always joking!
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 10:53 am
Kirby, knowing you for a while, it was just a pre-emptive strike on my part. You sure you don’t want to go to Poland?
By: Ateeb on July 5, 2009
at 10:54 am
ateeb….
before the emirates was built and before wenger was the mangaer and before GG was manager and before that and before that and way way back in time….
players have always been bashed….always been critisised and players of the past have been booed
and nothings changed….this ‘fan’ you describe isnt exactley a new fan mate…theyve been around for ever
the thing with arsenal now is that especially in my time is that ive never known so many players that have been disliked at one point in time…
it shouldnt be like that but it is….but i would suggest it isnt the fans…its the players….in a day in age when footballs all about money and lack of loyalty..footballers dont have the same connction with the fans that they used to….and this current arsenal side is full of those players
you see a perfect examle of this is the away games
now in years gone by the team…whether we won or lost would come over to the fans to thank them for support…
the away fans havent changed…they still go nuts….but the players in the current team dont acknowledge that sometimes…win or los they are straight down the tunnel and the fans are left thinking what the fuck…..
buts that what i mean ateeb when i say theres things that happen at the games tht some ppl on here wouldnt understand…yet that same poeple dont dont undertsand still judge you on it….
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 10:55 am
Morning All you happy shiny people…
Ooh, Milan are paying us £20 mill and Flanini for Ade…. It’s official, it was in the peper…
Everyone getting on sooooo well, thats lovely…
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 10:55 am
spike… i hope u dont mean in the tabloids… and i wouldnt really want flamini back… its a move backwards
By: takura on July 5, 2009
at 10:57 am
my dad is bigger arsenal fan then me and we don’t always agree but i would never say anything along the lines of doomer or akb to him, he is the reason i love arsenal, its pointless.
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 11:00 am
takurs;
It was in the newspaper this morning, they are always 100% accurate and never bullshit though…
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 11:00 am
I can’t see Flamini taking a big pay cut to join us somehow.
By: Queen of Suburbia on July 5, 2009
at 11:00 am
and i agree with kirby….you never boo….if you have nothing nice to say dont say it….but to be honsest ive never heard us boo at an away game…only at the ref…or the other team…which is what we are there to do….12th man and all….
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 11:01 am
kirby i like you…that last comment about your dad is fantastic mate….
and you are not alone….
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 11:02 am
Why does the 12th man thing have to stop when the whistle blows JonJon.
For me, that question is the very essence of this blog.
By: Queen of Suburbia on July 5, 2009
at 11:02 am
my dad goes everywhere with them and has never disliked a player but he doesn’t like ade!
he can’t stand and none of his 30 season ticket holding mates can either there must be a reason.
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 11:02 am
We know Vermaelan can play as wingback anyway, so you can have (if sagna gets injured) :
Gallas/Djorou Toure
Vermaelan Clichy/Gibbs
By: J.P.K on July 5, 2009
at 11:04 am
thanks jon jon!
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 11:05 am
QoS;
If you look on certain blogs when Arsenal are playing, it can be kinda soul destroying….
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 11:06 am
Not really related to the article but I can’t sense Gallas staying at this club. I expect him to leave this summer but if he does hopefully we’ll get a new and fresh defender.
By: Renan on July 5, 2009
at 11:07 am
i would’nt be too happy about adebayor’s departure until i know of his replacement
do you guys think chamakh would be ideal as a replacement for adebayor? i’m not so sure, saw his video ob youtube and a lot of his goals are headers from crosses, arsenal haven’t been the best at crossing from the wings…
By: takura on July 5, 2009
at 11:08 am
Agree 100% Spike.
On a practical level, you have to wonder what enjoyment such folk are getting from being an Arsenal fan.
By: Queen of Suburbia on July 5, 2009
at 11:09 am
Chamakh ? Wouldn’t mind if we sign him but £12 million is hard to believe for such a player. He got a great heading skill but we have Bendy who is kinda similar to him. So if Arsene will sign a striker it will depend on Eduardo’s situation.
By: Renan on July 5, 2009
at 11:13 am
QoS;
Thats the thing tho, do they get ANY enjoyment, or fun, etc… Its the incessant negativity, the slating of EVERY player, not just one or 2 scapegoats as well as the manager, who has been sitting on a huge transfer kitty warchest type thing for years, but simply refuses to spend any money, purely out of spite and stubbornness….yadda yadda…
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 11:13 am
“it shouldnt be like that but it is….but i would suggest it isnt the fans…its the players….in a day in age when footballs all about money and lack of loyalty..footballers dont have the same connction with the fans that they used to….and this current arsenal side is full of those players”
Isn’t that mean you are looking for something from the players that doesn’t really exist by your own standards JonJon?
if this is the state of football nowadays, why are some so mad with Eboue, Ade, and the rest?
What I see is a lot of players at Arsenal are sticking with the club and have been for years, isn’t this loyalty to the club? Clichy, Toure, Eboue, RVP, Cesc, and many, and yes there will be the occasional money grabber like Cashley, Flamini, and Hleb.
I feel that some fans love the players that kicked us in the ass and left, more than the players that stuck around and continued trying to make things work.
To me – and seriously talking- those players have more Grit than some fans, don’t you think?
By: Gunner4Ever on July 5, 2009
at 11:13 am
Oh you gotta have grit, that’s a given…
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 11:15 am
it doesnt QoS…
the fans can stay upto an hour signing and chanting for the players after the game…even if they havent come over to…
but to me a blog is alot like a pub….
you go the the pub after the game and you talk about were we went wrong went right whos good enough who isnt who shall we sign who shall we sell…
alot of people have freinds on the blogs because they cant get to the or the pub….so they talk about that stuff on the blog….that doesnt mean they are doomers or trolls..they are just fans being fans…
i would never have critisised ateeb for exampe if the first thing he told me was he from over seas and his best player was denilson….thats his opinion….and id accpet that….so why does it have to be the other end of the spectrum when i say i dont think denilsons good enough or i hope we sell ade…that too is my opinion….
i expect to be told that denilson is good enough and ade is good enough….of course i do…what i dont expect is to be called a bad fan….
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 11:16 am
JonJon: Maybe people would take you more seriously if you typed in coherent sentences. Your typing style makes you look like a schitzophrenic who changes his mind… 5 words into a setence… every time.
By: Samuel on July 5, 2009
at 11:19 am
At the risk of sounding like “The Secret” I think “thoughts become things”.
It’s very easy on sites like those to get trapped into a spiralling cycle of being negative.
Starting from a positive perspective, looking for the good if you will has helped my enjoy blogging about Arsenal a lot more.
By: Queen of Suburbia on July 5, 2009
at 11:19 am
out of the players you mentioned gunner only eboue and ade get stick but only because of attitude but next season is the key
and i agree the past is the past lets get behind them but if as a fan you can see we need something whats wrong with commemting on it after all we all want to win, its a great thing.
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 11:20 am
There is a sentence about friendship that I like, that “it redoubleth joys, and cutteth griefs in halves.” A community of supporters should perform a similar function (though restricted to football), but the Doomers rather redoubleth griefs, and cutteth joys in halves.
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 11:21 am
Why not JJ – if their view is that you are being a bad fan?
Surely that’s their opinion too?
By: Queen of Suburbia on July 5, 2009
at 11:23 am
JonJon,
Although rarely finding time (or inclination) to contribute to some of the arguments, I have been a contributer to this site for a while now.
As for your instruction, very classy. It seems that dogs (like leopards), find change difficult.
By: Dgob on July 5, 2009
at 11:24 am
QoS;
I think you are right, it’s about opinions and if someone’s opinion is that you are a Doomer, or a fulltime tit, or a mongrel half Doomer, half tit, eyc, then you either accept it, try to change that opinion or piss off….
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 11:25 am
G4E
why dont you pick the last part of that comment out where i talked about the players at the away games??
and talk to me about that??
the reason why eboue is disliked ny sections because hes an embarrassment…..
you see you get people like gerrard…who is a diving cheating bastard but without him liverpool are nothing and so he gets away with it with his own fans….
when we see eboue falling over a blade of grass and going off on a stretcher holding his finger its embarrasing and he isnt that important to the team to get away with it….you just think what the fuck are you doing stop wasting time get up and play you git….
you see G4E is that alot of peoples main problem is that certain fans are siad to cause negativity around the club…..
but then you get players like eboue and adebayor that cause negativity around the club by themselves with the way they conduct themselves on and off the pitch…..
you see…cesc is the perfect example…when he was accused of spitting everyone stood by him becasue its cesc…cesc doenst cause negativity around the club and never has done….sure he is always being linked to other clubs but he stays professional…thats why he is captain……
if it was eboue who would of been accused nobody would of give a toss…because you sort of expect eboue to put you in that position….
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 11:26 am
And so, I will endeavour to take my own advice…
WE should deffo trry and hijack the John Terry transfer… I mean, £45 million is by no means an astronomical figure, with by no means whatsover obscene wages of nearly £300k a week…. What IS Wenger waiting for?
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 11:27 am
Morning, YW.
Some good points in today’s blog, YW. I think, allthough Melo looks the part, the loss of Eboue as a squad player, not least as cover for Sagna, would have to be adressed at some point. Perhaps Wenger would feel, like many of us fans, that the need for a quality DM is more pressing. We shall see. Swap or no, the deal may not even happen at all.
(Btw: I’ve seen some comments on blogs arguing that Melo was an unknown quantity up until the Confed Cup. He may not have been linked with Arsenal before then, but that doesn’t mean he’s not a good player. He helped Fiorentina reach 4th place in Serie A, and before that scored 7 goals in 34 games to help Almeria reach 8th spot in La Liga. I think he’s got some game).
Disclaimer: I’ve only skimmed through the comments, and I see some of this has already been discussed, but what the hey…
By: Le Bob on July 5, 2009
at 11:27 am
at the end of the day if you don’t know football, you are bound to like everyone who plays for arsenal because you don’t know what you are talking about. some on here dont know football.
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 11:30 am
samuel…
maybe im not that coh whatsit than others… maybe ive got learning difficulties or maybe i am a schitzo….. but my writing style has naff all to do with the way i support the team does it….
being a grade A student doesnt make you a better fan does it???
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 11:30 am
@Chico Guerrera
You are a disgrace for calling the African Cup of Nations a mickey mouse a competition. How can you attribute the standard and officiating of the ACN as the reason why Egypt won the last two editions. Its shows you know nothing about African Football.
You come on here castigating the African game, do you know its history? do you know what it means to Africans?
Your comments are really shameful. I’m disappointed.
By: Gunner From Nigeria on July 5, 2009
at 11:32 am
exactly kirby
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 11:33 am
I don’t think that is true at all Kirby.
By: Queen of Suburbia on July 5, 2009
at 11:33 am
spike
wengers waiting until deadline day at 11;59 pm to hijack the deal and get terry slighty cheaper for 44mil….
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 11:35 am
i do QoS
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 11:35 am
“being a grade A student doesnt make you a better fan does it???”
I don’t know. The Doomers are all very stupid.
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 11:37 am
Well, as long as we save a bit on the fee, thats alright then… Wouldn’t want us to get ripped off by paying £45m for him, £44m would be a steal…
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 11:37 am
I didn’t see Eboue diving last season, and I think he has changed a lot. I can’t hold a grudge against him, if he corrected his ways JonJon…sorry, that’s the difference.
You formed your opinion on the player’s past and not willing to change that opinion, even though the player has changed his wrong ways and moved on.
You need to be able to move on…That’s goes to all the fans who dislike him, not specifically you.
By: Gunner4Ever on July 5, 2009
at 11:37 am
Any way…off to bed, it’s 3:38 am here…good day every one.
By: Gunner4Ever on July 5, 2009
at 11:39 am
maybe so polly…but the all loving all roses nothing is wrong fan who lives up in the clouds with angels and pink elephants and flying pigs know nothing about footy…..
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 11:39 am
I think anyone who thinks they “know” football probably doesn’t.
Sort of like you should never vote for somebody who actually wants to be a Politician.
By: Queen of Suburbia on July 5, 2009
at 11:39 am
I would say idiocy is a necessary but not a sufficient condition for being a Doomer.
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 11:40 am
Are Doomers born or made?
By: Queen of Suburbia on July 5, 2009
at 11:41 am
G4E
eboue has been the same diver and cheater for the past 4 years…..2 months of good behaviour doesnt mean he’s changed does it????
it needs more than that to make up for the 4 years of shite weve had to put up with from him…
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 11:41 am
G4E;
I think there is a problem with the way some fans view ceretain players. They formulated their views at one point and never changed them, even though, that player has changed, improved, etc…
Obvious examples for me are; Bendtner, Song ans Denilson….
After the Burnley game, Bendy’s stock was soooo low, but he came back from it, worked really hard and has shown what a good player he is and that he can become even better. But in some Gooner’s eyes, he is shit, yadda yadda…. Same with Song, he got a load of stick when we played Fulham 2 seasons ago and he is still getting stick from that game….
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 11:42 am
I think some of the positions taken on Song in particular are just there to be controversial.
By: Queen of Suburbia on July 5, 2009
at 11:45 am
bendtner has improved and so has song
the thing is, from the second game at fulham i knew we never had a chance at winning the league, with injuries and lack of squad depth so surely wenger, who knows alot more them me,knew!!!
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 11:46 am
I, for one, think Eboue (AYOA) would look delightful in violet.
One wonders how much the Flamster would want per week.
By: mrswoo on July 5, 2009
at 11:47 am
Has the bloody tennis finished yet?
By: dukegoonem on July 5, 2009
at 11:48 am
well q.o.s just because i don’t share your changed opinion does’nt mean i don’t know football
i’m just saying i do! so what i see on the pitch my critical posts are all related. i dont need to hide behind stats ,i already know a good player from a bad player or a average player.
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 11:51 am
I think alot of the overseas fans on here forget that the english love to moan, its in the blood. it makes us happy.
By: dukegoonem on July 5, 2009
at 11:52 am
changed opinion Kirby?
By: Queen of Suburbia on July 5, 2009
at 11:53 am
duke…never a truer word..
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 11:55 am
Kirby,
A winner will never know they cant win.
By: dukegoonem on July 5, 2009
at 11:56 am
true duke
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 11:57 am
you said that aclf changed your opinion queen!!
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 11:58 am
heres a question
which option??
1 get melo
2 bring back flam
3 get nobody and go into the new season with the same midfeilders
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 11:58 am
fukin local shop is closed early for maintenance. bloody c*nts now i cant get me paper, and where is the bloody sun. typical always on the weekend.
By: dukegoonem on July 5, 2009
at 11:59 am
ah I see! i thought you were pulling Fr*nch*ise for a mo then!
By: Queen of Suburbia on July 5, 2009
at 12:02 pm
Dat’s sooooo funny…. Haha!
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 12:02 pm
But were a bit of a Doomer tho Q0S…. ahem
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 12:03 pm
option 3 is the safest bet i say. how can we be sure this Melo character is better then what Denilson will be. and for £15m and the loss of Eboue.
By: dukegoonem on July 5, 2009
at 12:03 pm
I’d like to see an extra player to come in to provide cover/competition as i expect lots of injuries as usual JJ.
By: Queen of Suburbia on July 5, 2009
at 12:04 pm
I think the squad needs strengthening, something AW has stated a few times, not sure I’d want Melo or Flamini tho….?
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 12:04 pm
Jonjon @ 2009 u are still a fucking racist. Go back to the 1880s were mongoloids like u belonged. My simple advise wenger buy melo keep Eboue he is real gunner. Fuck u jonjon
By: uchenaija on July 5, 2009
at 12:05 pm
I’d be disappointed if Flamini returned. Even Stella refused to take Stanley back, eventually.
I prefer option 3 at the moment, but I’ll defer to AW’s superior knowledge if we decide Melo is worth the money.
By: OneOfUs on July 5, 2009
at 12:07 pm
These overseas supporters……….
By: Ateeb on July 5, 2009
at 12:18 pm
Players are different JonJon. You are correct in saying that. I remember chatting to John Radford during a break in play once and it was just a chat between two people about the game. It is hard to imagine doing that today, the gap between players and supporters is now vast.
However, you are wrong in that this isn’t a chat down the pub, although I quite like the idea that those who can’t talk Arsenal there can do it here. This is a very public medium and we have been on this subject before, many times.
The web is an ideal place to spread propaganda, half truths and lies. It’s potential to undermine a person, country, idea or even football club is without parallel. That wasn’t the case even 20 years ago. A moan down the pub was forgotten by the next game. Today that moan is amplified through blog sites and builds and builds. It never goes away, the web keeps it alive, feeds it and it grows.
If an ignorant pillock bangs on in the pub, I can move or ignore him. On a blog, where do you go? We have chosen to come here. Therefore, doomers, anti fans or just the plain unpleasant will be opposed here. Thank goodness for that.
By: Consolsbob on July 5, 2009
at 12:18 pm
uchenaija
ok..
the safest bet is probably to stick with what we have for financial reasons….
but you have to risk it for a biscuit and that one position could win us the leage so we need another player….
milan want ade and flamini wants to come back then thats the best opiton for me…
but when im not living on the moon id say we’ll probably have to buy someone so if wenger thinks its melo than its melo…
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 12:19 pm
uchen shutup you prick, you talk shit about rascism, card playing wanker!
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 12:23 pm
i understand that consolbob…i apologise for my earlier comment to you also…
i was wound up…
you sound a wise head though….
must have been interesting to hear radders thoughts…
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 12:23 pm
cosolbob a moan down the pub is forgotten exactly!
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 12:25 pm
i hate chelsea with a passion most of my friends are chav chelsea wankers and i sit there in the pub and we have words about the gunners and thier awful club and as a gunner you do get very defensive, even on issues that you half agree with.
when with other gunners i thought that you would be able to discuss these issues properly without being biased or blinded or a doomer, i was wrong
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 12:30 pm
yeah kirby
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 12:32 pm
@kkKirby,
Typical illiterate response from someone whose prejudiced comments should be closely looked out.
What the fuck is a rascism (sic) card?
And how do you ‘play’ it?
By: Hento Makanaky on July 5, 2009
at 12:35 pm
I see both of today`s transfer stories as non starters.
Right back is an area where we lack cover so unless AW has someone lined up Eboue must stay. Song & D`jourou haven`t looked the part there previously & it would be a massive ask for Coquelin.
If Melo does come it should be straight cash & I agree with QOS in that we WILL get injuries – so his signing shouldn`t hinder Denislon, Song, Diaby too much.
I don`t see Flamini coming back either. Not after the way he left. Again, if there is a transfer (Ade to Milan) it should be cash only.
By: Paulie Walnuts on July 5, 2009
at 12:43 pm
i suppose theirs alot aof racism on here…the overseas gooners dont like it when the ‘local’ gooners say something and the ‘local’ gooners dont like it when the overseas gooners say something….
but thats the problem the clubs create when they go global to earn more money…
the overseas fans dont like the ‘english grit’ and the local fans dont like we lose alot of players for the ACN…
just the way it is…
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 12:46 pm
Well, Lauren has run his contract down at Pompey,. lets get him, Flamini, Pires, Edu, Kanu and Henry back…. Ahh, the good ol days…
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 12:46 pm
hento now you are calling me rascist for saying to someone don’t bring rascism in to it are you fucking stupid?
uchen is a dumb prick jon jon was not rascist
you can’t be rascist for not liking an african player!!!
i hate john terry and i’m from london fuckin idiots
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 12:46 pm
I think the poker forums are going to invade us now.
By: Queen of Suburbia on July 5, 2009
at 12:48 pm
Kirby: that is exactly the point you may not like JT, but you are not calling his race or Nationality into question.
By: GunnerX on July 5, 2009
at 12:50 pm
The Genesis of a Doomer
Our tastes change throughout our lives. Drunkeness is very important to many teenagers; but as people come into their twenties, drunkeness begins to seem disgusting and pathetic. A young man might work long hours to advance his career; but when he has children, he might prefer to spend more time with his family. In my opinion, Doomers start out as genuine supporters. Over time, however, their team begins to give them less and less pleasure. The solution is to switch one’s attention to something else. If this is not done, resentment builds up until eventually a Doomer is created. Why do they not make the switch? Probably because their friends are supporters, and they are afraid that ending their support would lose them friends. It is interesting that Kirby’s dad and his 30 season-ticket holding friends are all Doomers. If they could only speak openly to one another, they would probably discover that all them want to give up their season tickets, but they will not because they are afraid of the judgement of the others. The human comedy!
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 12:58 pm
On the point about the African players. our season is 8 months long and to lose four players for 2 months to the ACN means these players lose 25% of there playing time.
This could cause a lack of mommentum in the team, it stretches the squad if there are injuries, and sometimes players don’t come back on top form like Toure.
It’s not racist it’s a fact.
By: no worries on July 5, 2009
at 1:00 pm
I came on here the other night and had a sensible debate with chris gooner I believe.I am getting the jist of this blog a lot better than when I first posted.I am not the most articulate and my spelling isn’t that good,but i always feel that quality of posting is better than quantity.I have to agree with a point that frank made some time ago,that the in house fighting between so called Arsenal fans,achieves absolutely nothing,yet on the other hand if one wishes to make a point and can justify it,there is no reason why it can’t be debated in a civil manner.
With regards to the rumours today about Flamini returning,I believe that is more tabloid bullshit,Wenger has never resigned a player and I am sure there is a side to Wenger that we never see,which is quite ruthless, which is entirely different from the passion and loyalty he shows in his current tennure at the club.We may question some of the things he does,and I would be happy to debate that some other time,but all in all he more often gets things right than wrong.
my only critism on here is why a few people just tell “newcomers” to f*** off,it doesn’t really go with the ethics of the site.
By: kelsey on July 5, 2009
at 1:05 pm
Not true.
By: OneOfUs on July 5, 2009
at 1:07 pm
NW’s comment, that is.
By: OneOfUs on July 5, 2009
at 1:07 pm
A new comer is never told to fuck off. A new doomer however……
By: Ateeb on July 5, 2009
at 1:08 pm
yeah gunner i don’t like drogba but i love toure i’m not the biggest eboue fan, they are from the same country but i don’t let where they are from sway my opinion.
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 1:08 pm
Example:
I read on another site yesterday in bold letters,DON’T BUY ANY MORE AFRICANS. that was it, nothing more, nothing less.That could be taken a number of ways, and in itself was a useless racist post,most probably by a young attention seeker or a complete idiot.
By: kelsey on July 5, 2009
at 1:09 pm
NW: On that basis, and hypothetically speaking, if we were in the running to sign Eto, and Essien, then you would reject both on the grounds that they are African.
By: GunnerX on July 5, 2009
at 1:10 pm
Oh gawd, so all those 30 odd season ticket holders are really hoping, praying that one of em turns round and says;
“You know wot guv, I effin ate this followin Arsenal lark, I’m gonna jack it all in, I can’t stands it any more, who’s wiv me…?”
Simple really, Poliziano, you are onto something there…
As for the Doomer evolution, I tend to disagree…
I think there have always been fans who like a moan, but the internet and radio phone in (urggh) have really given oxygen for them to spread their negativity. Coupled with the seeming need to win things every year, have the shiniest new players and covet opposition players while slating our own… There is no patience, we are constantly reminded that we havent won anything for 4 seasons…. Jeez, really? Didnt know that…. I mean, when I was growing up Arsenal were winning the league every year….. Yep, AFC have never had any lean spells have they?
The fact we have a new stadium, that cost quite a bit and that when we decided to go ahead with this plan, Wenger said, things would be tight financially, but nope, he is way too stubborn to spend isn’t he?
There have always been negative-inclined fans, they are just easier to see now, coz of blogs
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 1:14 pm
What part isn’t true? The season doesn’t last 8 months or the ACN doesn’t last 2 months.
GunnerX . If we was to sign Essian or Eto’o we would have to allow for there absence.
if we had a full squad of African internationals, in January we would not have a team.
Anyway only a few more years and ythe ANC is being brought into line with the close season.
By: no worries on July 5, 2009
at 1:17 pm
Brilliant Pz. As for the person bemoaning newcomers being told to fuck off, well, this is an Arsenal supporters blog. You come here and insult any aspect of our great club and you will be told to fuck off straight away. Why wait for the second post to tell a complete and utter cunt to fuck off? No reason on earth.
By: steww on July 5, 2009
at 1:20 pm
NW: The ACN is every 2 years, so I make that 2 months in every 16.
…..so we would make allowances for their absence, that’s different to just writing off African’s per se
By: GunnerX on July 5, 2009
at 1:23 pm
a new doomer ateeb? how do you become a new doomer?
i know you get beat 4-1 at home to chelsea and complain about it!!
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 1:24 pm
whos writing africans off???
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 1:26 pm
The ACN lasts for 20 days. We lose our players for a maximum of 8 games, which amounts to around 1/8 of our total matches (if we have a successful season) – and that’s provided they reach the final of the tournament with their national sides.
By: OneOfUs on July 5, 2009
at 1:26 pm
if we were in for those two i wouldn’t mind
ideally it would be good to have in the summer but it runs with the world cup and euros but more importantly i think its too hot i’m not totally sure on that though!!!
apparently south africa in the world cup is not that hot so i have heard, its some of the grounds have high altitude!
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 1:28 pm
are you including the FA CUP games OoU???
that starts after januray…and runs right though to the end of the season..providing you reach the final…
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 1:28 pm
Go back and read the earlier comment, its clearly written for all to read.
By: GunnerX on July 5, 2009
at 1:29 pm
No Worries
You are inventing a problem that does not exist. The worst case scenario with the current squad for the ACN is this:
Toure, Song, Eboue and Adebayor go.
Are you seriously telling me that we do not have cover for all of them and for other injuries as well?
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on July 5, 2009
at 1:29 pm
so if wenger went out and bought essien and etoo….
then we lost 6 players at the same time and we had a bad run at that time…..lost the league because of it and went out of a cup….
and at the end of the season people use the excuse we lost key players at key times would you accept that excuse because i wouldnt…
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 1:32 pm
Kirkby
Can one become a Born Again Doomer though? If that is the case, would that person go around shouting, “I’m BAD, I’m BAD, I’m really, really BAD”? Or are they just going to be written off as an unemployed Michael Jackson impersonator?
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on July 5, 2009
at 1:32 pm
The Ignorant Illiterate Hordes have invaded Arsenal Football Club.
Why on earth would any manager sign a team full of Internationals WITHOUT any form of backup?
And it is the xenophobes amongst you that cite the ACN as the sole reason why we have a January dip, which is not only stupid conjecture passed off as fact – what explains the dip on non ACN seasons?
Wouldnt it be an equally ludicrous statement to say that the Euros/Confed/Concacaf tournaments affect all full international players that ply their trade in the PL?
Lay off the cheap and petty racism.
Youre not smart enough.
By: Hento Makanaky on July 5, 2009
at 1:32 pm
Yes, JJ. A little under 1/8 of all All Arsenal’s fixtures – if we have a successful season, like 08/09, when we reached the FA and CL semis.
I think the FA Cup 3rd round happens before our African players have to leave.
By: OneOfUs on July 5, 2009
at 1:33 pm
Sorry, a little more than 1/8. I’m crap at maths.
By: OneOfUs on July 5, 2009
at 1:34 pm
Hero Of The ACN Cop Out:
Fat Sam Alladyce.
That says it all.
By: Hento Makanaky on July 5, 2009
at 1:35 pm
YW
thats just 4 players out at one time….
lets say we have 4 injuries at that point….then we lose 4 africans….
8 players YW
i wouldnt say we could cover that….
we had the same amount of players out this season with injuries alone….
we didnt cope…
its foolish to suggest that losing four players on top of the injured ones would not affect the strngth of the team…
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 1:35 pm
GunnerX i agree it is every 2 years and as OneOf Us says it doesn’t last as long as I thought, but the facts are we still lose them for a long period of time. The one extra point that those players could earn us could win us the title, or keep us in the FA cup.
It’s like knowing the player is going to be injured for a month.
If anything this is unfair on those players as it could cause clubs to puchase European players instead of them.
When Gilberto was playing for us I remember Arsene tried to rest him at the weekend following an international as he never got back until the friday.
By: no worries on July 5, 2009
at 1:36 pm
yeah of course yogi!!
this doomer thing does’nt really work, we all groan at something in our arsenal lives .
are we all doomers??
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 1:36 pm
yes OOU but it starts before but it runs through til may….
thats extra games …dont forget the knockout stages of the CL
your squad comes into play after xmas…thats where you need to go on a run if you want to win something….
losing four players during this run at the same time and not even because of injury will stretch the sqaud…
its foolish to suggest otherwise…
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 1:38 pm
No, I would not accept it, we have a squad full of players from all parts of the globe. I ask again, would that a reason in your book not to have them?
By: GunnerX on July 5, 2009
at 1:38 pm
hento what are you talking about leave the rascism out, its not rascist to want all your players to stay with your club throughout the year.
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 1:40 pm
JonJon: I wasn’t trying to be a bastard and writing style does not donote supporting style or ability. While I may not agree with you on many points, I think you are adding something to the conversation (as opposed to the people just shouting “THATS RACIST”) and if you were just able to write in a style that was a little more coherent, it would work to your advantage. Constructive criticism, innit?
Points that has not been considered in the ‘Arsenal fans clamour for any new centre midfielder’ debate:
Is it likely to see a genuine improvement from Diaby, considering he has taken major steps to work on his fitness and strength, a major sign he has been listening to his criticism?
If the Barca 4-3-3 becomes a viable option with Nasri (and whisper it, Rosicky?) adding that Iniesta role to our central midfield, will it add enough to our central defensive cover, having 3 people on the case instead of two? While the players likely to be seen in that role (Nasri, Rosicky, Ramsey, Lansbury in the Carling Cup) obviously aren’t DMs in any regard, they all show defensive discipline when played elsewhere (Nasri+Rosicky tracking back on the wings, Ramsey played RB for Cardiff, Lansbury an unknown but its only the Carling Cup).
And lastly, how much, if any, improvement do you think we can see from Deni and Song’s second full season as first team DMs? And hopefully, touch wood, playing a whole season next to Cesc instead of another Eboue-Ramsey-Cesc-Diaby-Nasri etc. start like last season? Stability is key in football.
By: Samuel on July 5, 2009
at 1:41 pm
YW I think even Sepp Blatter see’s it as a problem and that is why he as bought the ACN into line with the European leagues close season from 2016.
By: no worries on July 5, 2009
at 1:41 pm
JJ
OK here we go:
Toure covered by one of Vermalaen, Djourou, Silvestre
Eboue is cover in defence but RB covered by Sagna, Djourou and Hoyte. Midfield is covered by Walcott, Ramsey, Arshavin
Song is covered by Denilson, Diaby, Djourou and Nasri
Adebayor is covered by Bendtner, Arshavin, Vela, Walcott, van Persie
There are enough players at the club to deal with the ACN and injuries.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on July 5, 2009
at 1:42 pm
8 matches includes CC, League, FA Cup and CL – and any kick about their mates have in the park while they’re gone.
By: OneOfUs on July 5, 2009
at 1:45 pm
Kirkby
I understood from Page 12, Point c, sub clause 8f of the “Football Supporters Contract” that the actions on the field are guaranteed to bring you a lifetime of misery with spells of pleasure sporadically thrown in.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on July 5, 2009
at 1:45 pm
kick-about
By: OneOfUs on July 5, 2009
at 1:45 pm
NW
Blatter’s only concern is that the tournament has a habit of detracting from the World Cup. Frankly I doubt he gives a rat’s arse if the clubs are impacted.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on July 5, 2009
at 1:47 pm
Also, it took Deni and co 2 or 3 years to make the step up from Carling Cup to first team, so I think we start factoring in Merida, Lansbury, Randall, Simpson, Barazite, Traore etc. into first team talks if the boss wants to keep them.
By: Samuel on July 5, 2009
at 1:48 pm
thats football yogi!!
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 1:48 pm
YW . I think he does if it affects his favouries like Barce or Real.
But your probably right he don’t give a toss about the English clubs.
By: no worries on July 5, 2009
at 1:50 pm
“Favourites”
By: no worries on July 5, 2009
at 1:53 pm
241st. Get in!
By: Kingsalami on July 5, 2009
at 1:57 pm
samuel…cheers…
regarding your 433 though i dont think it will work with us…
the midfeild 3 of diaby denilson and song..even cesc are not mobile enough…leaving us exposed in the wide ares…
it leads to our two wide man in the front 3 to move back into the midfeild to help cover the space leaving us with a 451…and we arent a 451 team….it leaves the striker isolated and we resort to hitting long balls and we turn into bolton….
the 4 2 3 1 whoever does suit us better… as long as the 3 dont drop too far back and leave the front man isolated….
but thats why we need a box to box midfielder who can operate in the two to cover the ground that the rest of the team leaves open….allowing the 3 to keep supporting the front man
we dont have that player at the minute and thats why we miss someone like flamini….
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 1:58 pm
Jon Jon: That’s a flawed reasoning. I assume you are comparing to Barcelona 4-3-3. They have no box-to-box midfielder as such but central midfield playmakers like Fabregas.
Xavi and Fabregas are similar. It would be hard to find a similar player to Iniesta as he has everything. What is so good about Barca is that they keep the ball for so long, great at shielding, dribbling and passing while the formation allows angles to keep passing. Toure keeps things ticking by playing short passes and can win the ball back.
The thinking behind the wide men is that they pressure high up so the full backs don’t get forward and also stopping the opposition from playing the ball out. Not many teams can copy Barca. Wigan are going to try it with a more direct style.
By: The Brain on July 5, 2009
at 2:05 pm
YW
lets say the ACN was last season
we had diaby cesc theo and rosicky out all the same time…. so then we lose song and eboue too???
defense we had clichy and gallas out….then we lose eboue song and kolo?????
striker we had dudu theo… then we lose ade????
that is not covered…not at all…
we have young players coming in but the squad is still stretched…it isnt squad depth….its relying on kids to help you in a run in with teams that are in europes top 5….
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 2:06 pm
Fair enough. I think a 4-3-3 next season with Deni(Yaya), Cesc(Xavi), Nasri(Iniesta), RVP (Henry), Arshavin(Messi) and Eduardo(Eto’o) – only RVP is not tactically disciplined enough to defend in position and would drop back. Messi and Henry defend the wings from the front and that’s why its so successful. If van Persie was able to work on it, then its a great, mobile, wide, varied and disciplined formation. They all have cover if 1 or 2 was going to change as well: Song(Deni), Diaby(Cesc), Rosicky/Ramsey(Nasri), Vela(RVP), Theo(Arshavin) and Bendtner(EDS). Not that I’d like to see that as our front 6 together, but switch out 1 or 2 at a time and it should still be seemless, imo. It would, hopefully, also keep Clichy and Sagna to stay back a bit more, which would keep us defensively more sound and narrow, as well as seeing less failed full back crosses! I think a packed centre with Nasri working as a box-to-box (maybe more in the determined, attacking Gerrard way than the defensive Flamini style) could mean the extra cover would work and lighten the expectations of players the masses get on the back of.
Of course this is all in theory, I cannot read the future, nor am I an experienced tactician. Wenger hinted at 4-3-3 and I assume this will at least be tested in pre-season. I also didn’t mention Adebayor or Eboue because god knows where they will be come September.
By: Samuel on July 5, 2009
at 2:08 pm
the brain….
barcaelona have mobile midfielders….and yaya who can run up and down all day….
you dont just win a game with what you can do with the ball….you need to be able to play without it…..
cesc ,diaby, song denilson are not mobile…
nasri and rosicky are but what happens if they are injured???
we dont have the personell to play 433
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 2:10 pm
this blog has now achieved the impossible – making LG seem a haven for civilized discourse on things Arsenal…
it’s happened in the last few weeks, one has improved the other rapidly deteriorated…
By: Blazon on July 5, 2009
at 2:12 pm
The thing about the Premiership is that teams are more inclined to go direct hence negating the pressuring part of the game. They then will pack the midfield which is the most crucial part of the system. It can work but why not just stick to what’s best and try not to change what only needs a bit of fixing.
By: The Brain on July 5, 2009
at 2:12 pm
Isn’t Diaby working on his mobility etc. with a special coach? Cesc covers as much ground as Xavi and Deni is tactically disciplined, imo, to be well positioned enough that he doesn’t have to be running around all the time to try and make tackles. Like Diaby, it’s something Song really has to work on though, so I do half agree with you.
By: Samuel on July 5, 2009
at 2:13 pm
if we play 433 with song denilson and diaby as the three we wont even finish in the top 4….
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 2:14 pm
Samuel;
Your formation sounds good. I thought Wenger was going for the 4-2-3-1 formation though? He mentioned changing it to suit the players (like Theo) better…. And I think we were trying it out towards the end of the season too?
Ah well, we will see in a few weeks I guess…
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 2:15 pm
The Brain: It could well come to that but imo, we don’t know what is best for us yet, and discussing these things pre-season (or pre-pre-season like now!) is the most appropriate and least costly time to think about tactical change or adaption.
By: Samuel on July 5, 2009
at 2:15 pm
cesc covers alot of ground but he has no pace…..none…neither has song neither has denilson…
giggs is 137 years old and he took the ball around denilson several times in the game at OT and he wasnt the only one that season to do that…
song couldnt even catch jenas and diaby just gives the ball away…
we’d be screwed….
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 2:17 pm
the barcelona players work very hard when they don’t have the ball thats why they are succesful!!
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 2:18 pm
spike..yeah the 4231 makes more sence with the players we have…it allows them to interchange and still keep a shape…
and the two are their bulk the midfield giving the defnce more protection…..
they dont have to be out and out DM’s
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 2:19 pm
I don’t want a 4-3-3. It could work but lets stick to what we do best. Wenger has stated we will play a formation that suits us best (4-4-1-1 most likely) instead of the more cautious 4-2-3-1 last season. Wenger is unlikely not to play two split forwards as he has five very good strikers.
The pre-season will help with combinations and team chemistry, Cesc missed it last year. The year before that, this is what RVP said after the Inter game: “It was quite funny because during the game Cesc and I were smiling at each other because we liked the fact that we were playing so well. Everyone was smiling during the game. If we play the same way or even less, we will have a big chance at least to fight for the title” he said at the time.
By: The Brain on July 5, 2009
at 2:20 pm
“if we play 433 with song denilson and diaby as the three we wont even finish in the top 4….”
It’s good that with everyone fit (and possibly a new signing) that none of them are in the first XI then, but you know what, they played together all of last season and guess where we came?
Spike: Didn’t Wenger say last week that he was thinking about “4-4-2, or 3 if you use Theo” (not his exact words obv) and presumably the same applies with Arshavin, who is similarly hard to place in a 4-4-2? Once the season pretty much ended in 4th, it was only natural for him to experiment but that was without much of the squad (Rosicky-who has gone a whole month in training without a story saying he’s injured! He might actually play 5 games!, Eduardo, Adebayor’s mysterious injury, RVP was out for a bit, Deni was dropped, Nasri moved around etc. etc.) and 4-2-3-1 didn’t really work, except against Boro!
By: Samuel on July 5, 2009
at 2:21 pm
they did play together samuel…and they did well but it wasnt in a 433…
——-almunia——-
bac—willy–TV—gael
——cesc—????
rvp/nasri–AA—-rosicky
——–dudu/????
we’ll smash the league with tht team
cesc stayin deep and spraying the passes the man next to him covering the space and helping cesc run the middle
and the front four all interchanging all smashing in the goals…..
but we need a proper finisher….hopefully dudu can step up…
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 2:33 pm
Samuel/The Brain
Maybe you are right, I just thought we would play with 1 frontman and 3 behind as we have a few players who can play in the 3 behind Eduardo or Ade;
Nasri, Rosicky, Vela, Arshavin, Theo, Bendy, RvP
Now that is a lot of attacking talent there!
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 2:42 pm
yeah spike with all the attacking players we have that formation suits us best…
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 2:43 pm
Blazon;
So, do you lower the tone of this blog and improve it on Le Grove?
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 2:46 pm
Stats don’t tell the whole story. Denilson passes the ball backwards and square alot of the time when there is less chance of giving the ball away. Flamini is essentially two footed, faster, more dynamic, more athletic and a better passer when moving forward than Denilson. He is also a better tackler and has more drive. We were a better team with him in it.
Lots of centrebacks pass the ball square to each other all the time and have wonderfully accurate passing stats but we all know that doesn’t really make them good or accurate passers.
When I was mentioning some of the great midfielders we have had in the past, like Viera, it was because when they were under pressure and also trying to get the team moving forward they didn’t give the ball away that often.
To be honest I lumped all the central midfielders (fabregas aside) together which wasn’t very fair. Song really has improved as a player and if Diaby could consistently play at his best he would be fantastic. Denilson is a solid player who works
really hard and has been quite consistent.
Fabregas is clearly world class and competitive so
the fact he is fairly slow and not particularly strong is something we can live with. However when you pair him with another slow, one paced player like Denilson, then it increases our vulnerability in the centre of the park. Wenger eventually realised this that’s why he started playing Nasri in the middle – to add some zip and go forward to the team.
To be clear I think they are all very good players. Unfortunately we have not won any trophies for 4 years so clearly we need an improvement in the quality of some of our players. Arshavin is the man and we need more with his quality.
When we were winning with Viera, Petit, Edu, Gilberto we had some of the best central midfielders in the world. Flamini and Diarra had the potential to be world class players for us and would get into our team ahead of the current group. I guess I’m frustrated because we are not collecting trophies and the weaknesses of our team are so apparent to see.
I would love wenger to go back to the formula that he had before with players like Seaman, Campbell,Viera & Henry: Big, strong, fast, powerful and athletic players down the spine of the team. Wenger wants his team to play a high tempo, posession game based on one – two touch football, like Barcelona, but is short of a couple of players in the centre of the park to make it happen.
AT THE END OF THE DAY WE ALL HAVE OUR OPINIONS AND WANT TO BE RIGHT! AFTER 4 TROPHYLESS SEASONS IN AN AGE WHERE BEING CLOSE IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH (AVRAM GRANT IS A PRIME EXAMPLE) SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE AT AFC.
By: RAY on July 5, 2009
at 2:49 pm
Sending out mixed messages there RAY! One minute all the players are great, then something needs to change?
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 2:53 pm
good comment ray
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 2:53 pm
Ten Symptons of a Doomer
#1: Consistent underestimation of the current worth and potential of the existing squad. The belief that the squad is too young and that Arsenal should reverse policy and rely on high-priced experienced players to succeed.
#2: Continuously trumpeting of players from other clubs, preferably without experience in either the EPL or the Champions League, as preferred players for Arsenal Football Club (see #1).
#3: Consistent and repetitive slating/disparagement of certain members of Arsenal Football Club, especially if they are not English, in the hope that by alienating them from the club, it will open the door to #2.
#4: Repetitive denial of data/statistics that attest to the superior on-field contribution of those members of the club who are unjustly slated and disparaged (see #3).
#5: Repetitive denial/discounting of the recent achievements of the club (semi-finals in both Champions League and FA cup, 4th in the BPL) and exaggerate the weaknesses and failings.
#5: Continuously hankering after players who have long left the club and are well past their prime (Henry, Viera) or just simply wanted more money (Flamini).
#6: Make negative postings in a variety of Arsenal blogs (preferably using different aliases/identities) to create an atmosphere of crisis around the club and its players, in support of #1.
#7: Repeatedly undermine those who defend the current squad and the current policy of sustainability.
#8: Consistently post to both pro-Arsene and anti-Arsene blogs as a hedge to either engage in future attacks or to share in the glory of possible success.
#9: Continuously measure their support of Arsenal, not to their current negative behavior, but to their years of attendance at football matches, either home or AWAY, or to the attendance/allegiance of their parents and grandparents.
#10: Repeatedly seek to divide Arsenal supporters between those who are overseas and those in England without any regard to the fact that Arsenal FC depends financially and footballistically on its international as well as domestic support.
Of these symptons: any score of 1-3 means a Doomer good enough for the Reserves; 4-6 means sufficient for Carling Cup level and a look –in to bench of the 1st Team, and 7-10 means a super, inter-galactic level Doomer.
By: shotta-gunna on July 5, 2009
at 3:00 pm
hello
By: Mayank on July 5, 2009
at 3:03 pm
Spike,
Blazon was just being polite by not naming people who are lowering the tone of this blog. Many posters here have been blogging here for two years or more and are appalled at the constant moaning of some bloggers who in our opionion bring down the level of debate on this blog.
One cant even debate with them because that would be to question their gritty heart. Besides one particular blogger just does’nt ‘get it’. His arguments can be found on talksport and motd. Tired, hackneyed and boring. Sky should make him replace Jamie Redknapp in the studio immediately if they have any sense at all.
By: Alex on July 5, 2009
at 3:04 pm
LE GROVE BEST ARSENAL BLOG IN THE WORLD!!!
By: Mayank on July 5, 2009
at 3:08 pm
Alex;
Thanks, I was only asking coz I thought it was ‘funny’…
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 3:13 pm
Mayank;
Are you trying to start an inter-blog war there…?
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 3:14 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuEif0Rpr00
By: geeGunner on July 5, 2009
at 3:14 pm
Mayank, that is true. G*off for Arsenal manager. E*han for Director of Football and you for chief cheerleader.
By: Alex on July 5, 2009
at 3:14 pm
i think we should keep eboue. he is a lot better than people give him credit for.
By: geeGunner on July 5, 2009
at 3:18 pm
RAY,
If the Mancs just kep moaning after Ruud Van Horseface left them they would’nt have got far. Neither would we have challenged for the title two seasons back if we just kept moaning after the loss of greatest player to have graced the premier league.
Flamini was good but not in the class of the two players mentioned above. He is gone. Please get over it.
Secondly, things are rarely static at Arsenal. AW is always looking to strengthen the squad and one can see sufficient evidence of him trying to do this summer as well.
By: Alex on July 5, 2009
at 3:21 pm
This should be a good addition for Arsenal..Bobby Gee Thansk for reading…http://bobbygee.wordpress.com/
By: bobbygee on July 5, 2009
at 3:37 pm
Sorry if my comments lack clarity. I find it difficult to accept that we not at the level we once were and so it’s too easy for me to concentrate on our weaknesses and harp on about the past glory days.
I want the Gunners to be the best team in the Premiership and Europe. I would hope that all Gooners would want the same thing, especially as we have achieved this domestically in the past and been very close in the Champions league. We are not Villa, Everton or dare I say it Spurs fans so I think it is reasonable for us to aspire to be the best and pick up trophies in the future because winning is in our recent history.
I think our great teams had great players and so when we were winning we never really coveted any other teams players.
The current team has alot of quality in it but some glaring weaknesses, especially in the middle of the park, that the teams ahead of us (Man Utd, Chelsea and Liverpool) do not have. I would love us to have an Essien, Alonso or Masherano because they excellent players and I think they would be even better with Wenger coaching them. With our previous midfielders I never really wanted other teams players.
We finished 4th in the premiership last year and I think you have to have a pretty decent squad with good players and maybe a couple of world class ones to achieve that. I think that sums up our squad quite well and finishing 4th is what we probably deserved.
For an ambitious club we need to analyse the team honestly and sort out our weak areas. Wenger may have believed that his team was good enough to compete for trophies at the start of last season but our points total, league position and the embarrasing beating Man Utd gave us in the CL semi’s showed him otherwise.
The current squad is young and actually will improve in time but after 4 trophyless seasons it will not come quick enough. I actually feel we would have won a trophy if the 2007/08 team’s starting midfield could have been kept together (Hleb, Flamini, Rosicky & Fabregas) with an improving Diarra ready to come in with the inevitable formation change.
In last year’s offseason I tried to stay positive, but the lack of reinforcements and the signing of Silvestre (a very poor player now that his speed has gone & we won’t keep clean sheets with him in the team) made it very difficult. It was clear then that we were weaker and our rivals stronger. This year I really hope it will be different. Again great comments from JonJon and most of the other guys
By: RAY on July 5, 2009
at 3:40 pm
I really enjoy the ACN.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 4:08 pm
JJ
Using last season’s injuries as a comparison is a bit skewed. There is little point in worrying what might happen. Arsenal has enough players to cope with ACN. It also takes place in January and therefore a player or two can be picked up if the situation requires.
Worrying about it now is a bit like putting on putting on clear underwear in case you have an accident. Little point since if a number 26 is going to hit you, the first thing that will happen is that you lose control of your bowels.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on July 5, 2009
at 4:10 pm
Frank
It’s a lot like the European Championships. Some good games, some bad, most indifferent.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on July 5, 2009
at 4:12 pm
Hello, just wanted to say that, Yogi’s Warrior has nothing to fear because of A.Song he sometimes played at right back for Cameroon in the World-Cup qualifiers and impressed me in the position.
By: Bent-dnar on July 5, 2009
at 4:45 pm
Ray
Every close season every other club strengthens their squad and we never do, so why arn’t we bottom of the league by now?
The truth is so many managers (and fans) are looking for the magic solution, bringing in players who turn out to be no better than those who left.
True, last season seemed to be a step back from the previos for us, but that shouldn’t be seen as purely a result of what happened in the transfer window, just look at the way we were affeected by injuries.
There are many factors which decide if a team improves over the close from one season to another. These include
1 Players leaving and players coming in.
2 Players improving or getting worse, this includes young players improving and older players going over the hill.
3 Players coming up through the reserves
4 Changes in playing style/tactics
5 Having a good stable pre-season
6 Luck, avoiding injuries, vital decisions at vital times.
It’s very easy for pundits and fans alike only to take 1 above into consideration, and decide how well a team will do based on how many millions they spend.
AW has done a remarkable job, and we should really look at how much money ManU and Chelsea have had to spend to stay ahead of us!
The financial constaints seem to be slowely dropping away, I think we have gone through the hardest days nad kept in the top 4.
Providing everyone keeps faith and supports the manager and those players in which he has faith the future looks positive.
By: JohnN on July 5, 2009
at 4:55 pm
284th
By: ZimPaul on July 5, 2009
at 5:16 pm
That Eboue video was awesome. I especially liked Cesc’s face when he was running up to Eboue to congratulate him on that magnificent pass that led to a goal against Boro. And how can you not like Arsene’s reaction to Song’s backheel. Gave me the chills.
I’d be absolutely gutted if Eboue changed clubs. The booing he received was absolutely disgraceful, imo.
By: Nasir Jones-Nasri on July 5, 2009
at 5:30 pm
Hi Takura
you sound like my homeboy.
Murikupi?
By: ZimPaul on July 5, 2009
at 5:31 pm
Hope Eboue stays – always liked him.
By: ZimPaul on July 5, 2009
at 5:32 pm
Yes I agree with that, YW. Although there are usually a couple of players worth watching even in the ‘lesser’ teams. We exchanged thoughts on the African equivalent of the ECL. But there is no coverage at all of that competition. The ECL draws the support and of course money away from African clubs.
Is the ACN linked to World Cup qualifying this year?
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 6:20 pm
N J-N, it was disgraceful, but the way he handled it was exceptional.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 6:21 pm
i hope eboue stays too…in italy after hes had his medical…..
i dont know if ade will ever pass his medical…do they do tests for broken lazybones????
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 6:21 pm
yeah frank i agree…
he handled it really well….those crocodile tears almost had everyone convinced
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 6:24 pm
You are an arsehole, JonJon.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 6:24 pm
I would be surprised and disappointed if Eboue and/or Adebayor left this summer.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 6:27 pm
I see that the qualifying rounds of the ACN have been combined with WC qualification. So the winner of each group goes through to the WC, and the top three go through to the ACN.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 6:33 pm
i wouldnt…it would be a long overdue move and a master stroke by wenger….i feel sorry for whoever gets them…if there time at arsenal is anything to go by god help them..
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 6:34 pm
Great support shown for two first team players, JonJon. Did the generations of your family supporting Arsenal support the club like you?
You are a fucking charlatan, son. You try to talk the talk, and indeed you talk too much. But the first time the team fails to win a game, you will be grizzling away on the interwebthingy like a fucking grizzly thing.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 6:38 pm
So it is possible to win the ACN but not qualify for the WC. Or maybe the ACN winner automatically qualifies? Perhaps not.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 6:45 pm
frank…when i hear bollox like some of you chat on here about loving eboue unconitionally and supporting him until the end….
try supporting him to the end when he has games like he had against wigan….
i bet you were sat in the crowd clapping and cheering everytime he fucked up….if you were…then you were supporting wigan because he was well on his way to being wigans man of the match and he’d only been on the pitch 2 mins…
you live in a dream world old boy….a false world
and yeah for what its worth my grandpappy would of said eboue was shit too…
and ade…
and he was one of the biggest die hard arsenal fans ive ever known….ever…
if he could read this dribble half of what you lot talk about some of our beloved players hed of pissed himself laughing….
players earn respect…i cant remember the last time eboue or ade earned anyones….
apart from in the dream world….where 4th place and bad attititudes are considered to be the holy grail….
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 6:45 pm
I am not going to read all of the tripe you just spilled out, JonJon.
However I was certainly at the game that Eboue got booed. And I did not boo him. But you did.
Intriguingly though he played very well until the booing started. His passing was as crisp as it was adventurous which amazed me becuase he was out of his normal position. I watched the footage afterwards and the commentator commented on the booing before Eboue put a step wrong. I was left with the unavoidable conclusion that his confidence went because of the booing. From that day on I hated people like you JonJon, you are a fucking charlatan. A fair weather supporter. Little bit of real racism under the surface too. But you are not clever enough or even courageous enough to admit it.
You haven’t got a fraction of the courage of Eboue, not a tiny fraction.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 6:52 pm
I agree with Frank.
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 6:57 pm
Think I read about you bigging up your away support, JonJon. You were at the game a couple of years ago at Craven Cottage were you?. Leading the booing at Alex Song were you? You and your 3000 mates booing a seventeen year old. If this is the sort of support that your ancestors gave birth to they must be turning in their fucking graves.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 6:58 pm
frank
boo fucking hoo
out of his normal position??? my arse…..
hes a professional footballer playing at a top top european club…..
that is not a valid excuse…
wenger could of played fabianski there and he wouldnt of done what eboue did…
you chat shit…you like ade always blaming the fans…the fans this the fans that its all bollox its the players that play out there not us.
eboues had mares like that all the time he’s been at arsenal…. enoughs enough….
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 7:00 pm
frank… wenger said away fans are the best… are you underminding him by saying 3000 of his best fans didnt like one of his players??
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 7:02 pm
Yes, sorry for past vacillation on the man but JonJon, you have posted a lot of bollocks today. I agree with Frank and Pz.
By: Consolsbob on July 5, 2009
at 7:04 pm
Don’t be such a fucking stupid tart. Why do you think AW said that you idiot? Take your head out of your arse and start thinking? I will let you do the analysis on this one. Answer your own question. Go on.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 7:04 pm
Enough is enough. JonJon.
By: Consolsbob on July 5, 2009
at 7:05 pm
I agree with Frank.
By: BarneyStinson on July 5, 2009
at 7:07 pm
I agree with everyone…. I just wanna be liked…
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 7:08 pm
Eboue was playing LW against Wigan.
If he’s going, it’s to play as a RB in Serie A.
Most of the time at AFC he has played at RB or RM.
So, just to be clear about the facts,
he was playing out of position that day,
to help out his team who were short of players.
By: Finsburyparker on July 5, 2009
at 7:08 pm
Regardless of whether eboue was plaYing out of position, or playing badly, I would never ever countenance the booing of one of our own, that for me is a complete no no… Disgraceful behaviour and the antithesis of being a supporter…
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 7:10 pm
I agree with Frank, Pz and Cb. JonJon, please…
By: BarneyStinson on July 5, 2009
at 7:10 pm
….frank…please dont question jonjon he is an away fan…..wenger said they were good so it means that every single one of them must be good….imo he is a great fan who is not socially and intellectually challenged at all..
By: Alex on July 5, 2009
at 7:11 pm
Well said Finsburyparker.
By: Consolsbob on July 5, 2009
at 7:12 pm
And Eboue was just coming back from injury with no match practice and very little training
By: JohnN on July 5, 2009
at 7:12 pm
Eboue is class and we shouldn’t sell him. He has lots of good years left in him and plenty of time to develop. Trust me, he will be as good as Ronaldo next year.
Ade is a fantastic striker who is going to win us everything next year with his silky skills, precise finishing and huge work ethic.
I really dont see the problem with these players.
By: I've seen a leprechaun on July 5, 2009
at 7:16 pm
The guy who claims to have seen me thinks he is funny.
By: Leprechaun on July 5, 2009
at 7:19 pm
Just got back from Wimbledon bbq and what has been happening ? The world according to JonJon. Give it a rest mate. I don’t know what point you are trying to make. You seem to be conducting your defence along the lines that the attacks are coming from supporters who are unworthy because they don’t go to games. JonJon, there is an extent to which I will defer to the opinion of a single ticket holder, sure, but it stops when it becomes a succession of rants which are almost hate fuelled racist attacks, attacks on the club for not delivering to your required expectation, and utter mindless drivel about the superiority of your “support”. If you looked up the word “support” in the dictionary, you will find that it describes a very different activity to that which you undertake daily in various blogs.
By: Muppet on July 5, 2009
at 7:19 pm
There are a lot of twats around here these days.
By: Consolsbob on July 5, 2009
at 7:19 pm
sorry – meant season ticket holder.
By: Muppet on July 5, 2009
at 7:20 pm
Melo’s played right back before…think he played right back for a season or two before before moving to central midfield
By: Mandanda on July 5, 2009
at 7:20 pm
Muppet,
Why some season ticket holders who do nothing but criticise their team and abuse its players chose to renew their tickets annually is a mystery to me. Its almost as if the retention of the season ticket is done for bragging rights and for the licence to act like complete twats at games and later on the blogs.
By: Leprechaun on July 5, 2009
at 7:27 pm
Consolsbob;
I dunno, Muppet’s alright once you get to know him…
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 7:28 pm
Leprechaun,
My response to them has always been, give me your season ticket. I think I’m no 23,000 in the queue and it doesn’t seem to be going down.
By: Muppet on July 5, 2009
at 7:29 pm
Leprechaun, if that is your real name,
I think you will find that ownership of a season ticket gives the owner a gawd given right to abuse, slate and demean anyone associated to AFC, as long as you preface any such criticism with the phrase; “Well, I pay the most expensive price for a season ticket and am therefore entitled to say what the effin ell I like…”
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 7:30 pm
Mandanda;
Are you suggestin we will sign Melo so he can be back up RB?
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 7:31 pm
Very good Spike, very good.
By: Consolsbob on July 5, 2009
at 7:32 pm
The buzz on Fiorentina blogs seems to a bit about disbelief at the moment. A player whose heads some Fiorentina fans were calling for is suddenly a hot property worth 25 million Euros.
Fiorentina is trying to finance their entire summer transfer budget through this one transfer. We could bid for quite a few more proven central midfielders for less than the amount Fiorentina is asking for. We could also eliminate the need to sell our backup right back.
By: Alex on July 5, 2009
at 7:33 pm
Coming from you Bob, thats high praise indeed… Ahhh
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 7:34 pm
I’m not going to level anything at Jonjon, partly because I don’t have the stamina, but I think you’re right about this subtle racism amongst a load of supporters, Frank.
You can’t identify it until you’ve seen these fans respond to all the logical reasons for keeping players like Ade and Eboue. Once you get to the bottom, it’s quite difficult to avoid the “R” word.
By: OneOfUs on July 5, 2009
at 7:34 pm
The “R” word is “rabies”.
By: OneOfUs on July 5, 2009
at 7:35 pm
Readybrek?
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 7:35 pm
my god….i only went to make a cuppa
you see…this place was all quiet…frank was all alone…
you guys are so easy to wind up its funny…i knew id get you all out to play
and for the record i dont boo…wasnt at the wigan game and wasnt at the cottage either…
but also for the record…and on a more serious note….i still dont think if eboue and ade left we’d miss them too much…
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 7:36 pm
Just like you eh JonJon.
By: Muppet on July 5, 2009
at 7:39 pm
How interesting.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 7:39 pm
What a wag you are, JonJon. And there you had us fooled. Slapping my thighs with mirth I was when I read your last comment. That JonJon had us all going there didn’t he.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 7:41 pm
Ho ho ho ho….. what a jolly chap… this JonJon
By: Muppet on July 5, 2009
at 7:42 pm
i know you all like the back of my hand…all you need to do to liven this place up is hit the right nerve and roberts your sisters brother…
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 7:43 pm
We on the other hand dont know you at all JonJon. All your posts are original, contain new insights and rip roaring humour. You are so unpredictable and bring some much needed freshness to this blog.
By: Alex on July 5, 2009
at 7:44 pm
Had you fooled too, Moopay, did he? Goodness me how silly we must feel. Can’t help but laugh when a cove pulls a stunt like that.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 7:45 pm
You too, Alex, what?
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 7:46 pm
You’ve got em eating out of hands now Jonjon… But don’t over egg the puddin now…
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 7:46 pm
JonJon’s not the sour-faced Doomer we all took him for. He likes a joke as much as the next man.
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 7:47 pm
To think that all of JonJon’s post so far have been a joke, and we didn’t spot it. What bloomin softies we turned out to be, I’ll say.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 7:47 pm
Look people, I was wrong. Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. JonJon is a prat of the first order.
I blame it on all that cold beer and easy living that I had gotten used to. Now that I am back to wearing hairshirts and having cold showers three times a day, I have come to my senses.
By: Consolsbob on July 5, 2009
at 7:48 pm
The word Gollum springs to mind.
By: Muppet on July 5, 2009
at 7:49 pm
spike what you reckon about coquelin for RB….wenger has been known to develop players in an unatural position to help them develop…
if we do lose eboue….which by the way i dont think we will…
i wouldnt mind coquelin having a go as one of the backups…
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 7:50 pm
So what your are saying, JonJon, is that Eboue and Adebayor are in fact excellent Arsenal players and you want them to stay. You really got me believing that you didn’t rate either of them and you want them to go. Well done, jolly well done.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 7:50 pm
Correction, Consolsbob:
There are a lot of attention-seeking twats around here these days.
THREE cold showers a day, Cbob? What have you been up to?
By: FunGunner on July 5, 2009
at 7:51 pm
Gollum did make a few good Hobbit jokes now that I think about it..
By: Alex on July 5, 2009
at 7:53 pm
Have you been on holiday, FunGunner, or have you wisely been avoiding the blog during silly season?
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 7:53 pm
frank….
honestly??? i dont care whether they stay or go…arsenal are bigger and if they leave then they obviously want to leave so off they trot…and if we get a player or two coming the other way then even better….
but if they stay then its extra numbers in the fight for next year but theyd be on the bench for me…
squad players at best….
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 7:53 pm
JonJon
“roberts your sisters brother”
Not entirely sure you meant that for it means that either Robert is you or your brother.
I believe that you may have meant Robert is your father’s brother as in your uncle.
Are you saying that Robert is your uncle and your sister’s brother at the same time?
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on July 5, 2009
at 7:55 pm
Coquelin is a very very talented young player, IMO. And has played central midfield and RB, however, I think it may be too soon for the young lad. Maybe the Carling Cup will be his next step in his development?
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 7:56 pm
Fuck off, JonJon. You are surplus to requirements.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 7:57 pm
well spotted YW well spotted…. blame the peroni…
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 7:59 pm
Spike,
I wasn’t…just pointing to his versatility. Toure, Gallas and JD could are able back-ups in that position if the need arises! This is assuming that Eboue leaves…
This is getting boring I’d wait until the season begins…
By: Mandanda on July 5, 2009
at 8:00 pm
Brother, sister, uncle, aunt – it doesn’t matter. An Arsenal season ticket gives him the right to f*ck them all.
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 8:01 pm
I think, YW, that that is the nub of it.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 8:01 pm
I fear, Pz, that that has been happening for generations in poor JonJon’s family.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 8:02 pm
I find three cold showers a day the absolute minimum to maintain a healthy mind in a healthy body.
Plus as much cider and wine as I can drink of course.
By: Consolsbob on July 5, 2009
at 8:03 pm
Its getting a bit sick now, incest??? On a sabbath?
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 8:05 pm
JonJon yeah Peroni does do funny things to people. A guy called G*off lost his mind drinking that stuff.
By: Alex on July 5, 2009
at 8:05 pm
Mescaline worms
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 8:07 pm
Just realised my avatar is the spitting image of me… Weird
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 8:08 pm
polly..thats part of the english grit..were selfish like that…
spike. im looking forwrd to the CC lineup next season
it could be jack rambo coq merida…
quite tasty….
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 8:11 pm
I know how that feels like Spike.
By: Alex on July 5, 2009
at 8:11 pm
I told you guys yesterday, that If you assume that all of Jon Jon’s posts are sarcastic and full of satire, it makes a good reading.
By: Ateeb on July 5, 2009
at 8:12 pm
Mandanda;
I am not sure any of those players you mentioned would be too happy playing RB, perhaps Djourou? Although, for me, he has all the attributes necessary to become a very good centre back.
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 8:12 pm
I just miss the good old days when we had no Jon Jon here.
By: Ateeb on July 5, 2009
at 8:14 pm
Late to the party, but according to my ten symptoms, Dr Shotta has scored Jon-Jon an inter-galactic score of 10 on the doomer-meter.
By: shotta-gunna on July 5, 2009
at 8:14 pm
you maybe in on to something there ateeb…or maybe not..
does anyone care…probably not…
so dont worry about it…
either way….i spice this place up so dont take it to heart….
ive heard you do a good impression of a doomer yourself….
so you are the eboue of ACLF…maybe im trying to steal your crown….
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 8:15 pm
Alex;
Ah, so it aint just me then?
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 8:16 pm
i miss the days of an open top bus ride…
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 8:17 pm
Peyote is the only source of mescaline. It is fun to sell peyote in little worm shapes to reflect the myth that there is any mescaline in Tequila, Mezcal or indeed the worm found in some bottles of Tequila. Tequila of course is made from a different plant, not peyote, related to the Agarve, the Century Plant. No mescaline in Tequila unless…pop the peyote ‘worm’ into the bottle of tequila and the party takes a different turn. Might be fun, but it might be terrifying. You take your chance.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 8:18 pm
Good to see you Ateeb. You were part of the good ol era of the blog. The pre JonJon era. We used to serve champagne and caviar in the earlier era and have to make do with Peroni now.
By: Alex on July 5, 2009
at 8:19 pm
I used to do a lot of Mescal when I was in ‘Nam… Heavy shit man, me and the old sarge were coming up on a mutha load when we got ambushed by a load of VC right at the rim of the Mekon Delta…. I miss the old Sarge… Whatta guy
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 8:21 pm
PZ
A bit of both – lots of work and frankly despaired of some of the “debates” I read in the early hours after finishing up.
Consolsbob
I find three cold showers a day the absolute minimum to maintain a healthy mind in a healthy body.
Plus as much cider and wine as I can drink of course.
lol
That’s the way! Balance is the key to a contented existence.
By: FunGunner on July 5, 2009
at 8:21 pm
Dr shotta am surprised his score was’nt off the scale. Real Madrid should bid for this intergalactico.
By: Alex on July 5, 2009
at 8:21 pm
PZ – sorry, just realised that doesn’t make sense – not a bit of both at all! I’m still a bit knackered, after a very tough couple of weeks.
By: FunGunner on July 5, 2009
at 8:23 pm
Well, FunGunner, it’s good for us that you’re back, but not necessarily good for you.
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 8:23 pm
Ahh, don’t remind me of that time now, Alex. We were foolish to slay Howard and drive AIC away. Little did we know, that another monster was being bred to be unleashed upon us. Someone without the slightest hint of intelligence, who’d sustain blows after blows of insults, cheap shots, and humour at his expense. If only we knew, such a creature existed, we would have made most of that golden era..err…pre-jon jon era to be precise.
By: Ateeb on July 5, 2009
at 8:23 pm
real madrid couldnt afford me…
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 8:25 pm
Jon-Jon, you are that ghoul, that Freddy Krueger dressed up in Mister Tee bling-bling, that comes uninvited to a party and refuse to understand you are not welcome. You persist, trashing a fairly good blog with your bi-polar madness, your passive-aggressive deceit that is getting on our nerves. I am sure you have this megalomaniac idea that if you persist we will see things your way and love you eternally.
Too mad to get the message?
By: shotta-gunna on July 5, 2009
at 8:27 pm
Yeah Ateeb he is quite an orc. An Uruk-hai to be precise. I can still feel the force of his blade on my neck. He slashed the cyanide capsule I wear aound my neck into ribbons.
By: Alex on July 5, 2009
at 8:28 pm
Deffinately not better for her. If she ends up reading Jon Jon’s post, she’d had to remove the “fun” from her nick. He sucks the life out of you, and tries to kill you by boring you. Its something we’ve never encountered before. Bob, hasn’t been the same since he returned. He’s been cautious when it comes to dealing with Jon Jon, I don’t blame him. The long posts by Jon Jon are hypnotising, and has the potential to inflict permanent neurological damage to the reader.
By: Ateeb on July 5, 2009
at 8:29 pm
shotta youve hurt my feelings…..couldnt you of picked someone better looking than freddy krueger???
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 8:29 pm
Love… love will tear us apart again…
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 8:30 pm
Spike, Mezcal and Tequila were very popular in Vietnam. No Mescaline in them. Mescaline is very, very expensive. Peyote grows very slowly and is becoming increasingly rare. very little mescaline was consumed in the sixties. The alkaloid you were probably using was LSD. People occasionally, mistakenly called it Mescaline back then.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 8:30 pm
Has anyone ever read one of JonJon’s tirades to the end?
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 8:31 pm
i have polly…
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 8:32 pm
You want some?
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 8:32 pm
Darn it! The old sarge had me believing it was Mescaline…
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 8:33 pm
umm…let me try this. Jon Jon, if you’re not getting the hint. People are telling you to fuck off and never return to this blog again. . YOU ARE NOT WELCOME. No one wants to listen to your God damn excuses and justifications that you were born with a season ticket in your ar**. The only people you seem to get along with are, Kirby and an ex-LG fugitive. I can asure you that you’d find Kirby at LG. No one gives a ra** a**, if you’re an away fan. Seriously, you know absolutely **** about supporting a club. There now , and this coming from an overseas supporter.
By: Ateeb on July 5, 2009
at 8:33 pm
Frank;
Hmmm, now thats tempting
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 8:34 pm
Yes, PZ, very much a case of mixed feelings about being back. I feel like Steww about many of the recent arrivals – they are a monumental waste of time and energy. And probably oxygen as well. But I love to talk with fellow keepers of the flame about all things Arsenal (not to mention the non-football stuff), so what’s a gooner to do?
Speaking of which, 14 more days to wait for some Arsenal action. How will I make it through?
Ignore him, Ateeb and Shotta.
He only posts to get a reaction.
By: FunGunner on July 5, 2009
at 8:35 pm
thinking about it…in my defence…i do make my sentences up alot….making them appear longer….
with alot of hits on the return key
and full stops………………………………………….
butifiwrotelikethisthey’dprobablytakeup3lines
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 8:35 pm
I said do you want some, Spike? Don’t fuck with me.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 8:35 pm
I’ll have you know that I am fully restored Ateeb, as you would know if you were not so behind the times.
Look, I’ll prove it!
Fuck off JonJon, just fuck right off!
Ahh, that’s better, another pint here Consolslel!
By: Consolsbob on July 5, 2009
at 8:35 pm
Me too PZ. I read it once and have survived to tell the tale albeit while suffering from clinical depression and a tendency to be highly delusional and self righteous.
By: Alex on July 5, 2009
at 8:36 pm
Poli – His tirades are those of a mad-man; like “Poli I love your humor-lets talk a little Arsenal football ” routine. This goes on sometimes until 3:00 am your time, long past my bedtime in the west. It is effen crazy.
By: shotta-gunna on July 5, 2009
at 8:37 pm
arseholesbob…youve ruined it…thought you were a nice guy so i went easy on you….
until that silly lecture earlier…then i had my doubts and now youve finally broken my trust….i just dont feel like i know you anymore….
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 8:38 pm
Pz, I once managed to finish one of his posts completely, took me a day, alot of dosing off while reading. But honestly speaking, I’ve never been the same guy ever since.
Now that’s more like it Bob. You really thought the lectures would have worked?
By: Ateeb on July 5, 2009
at 8:38 pm
Jeez Frank! Yeah fuck it, if you are gonna get all antsy about it!
Give me the fucking Mescal dude!
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 8:38 pm
CB, your therapy is now complete. I’ll have some of what you are drinking.
By: Alex on July 5, 2009
at 8:39 pm
Now maybe if I gave him some good Jamaican weed, no mescaline, the little pecker would just shut up and chill.
By: shotta-gunna on July 5, 2009
at 8:39 pm
Wow, you lot really do keep at it don’t you….Blimey, it’s effin relentless!
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 8:43 pm
what makes me laugh is that you all cry and moan and say what we say on the blogs gets into the papers…..
and then you start talkng about giving eachother drugs…..
jeez guys kids read this…..
well when this is the headline in the NOTW tomorrow i hope your all happy with yourself…..
Ade lovers take drugs…..
quite an appropriate headline….
no offense spike…
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 8:43 pm
To be honest, shotta-gunna, I’d rather listen to his little pecker.
I think he is a mad man. His accusations of racism against G4E the other day were even more bizarre than AIC’s most hysterical nonsense.
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 8:43 pm
Spike – don’t sit on the fence with that little rat. Just a warning!
By: shotta-gunna on July 5, 2009
at 8:43 pm
shotta, word has it his favourite beverage is psychedelic tea. You could use some weed for garnishing the tea perhaps.
By: Alex on July 5, 2009
at 8:43 pm
Spike, can you read?. Mezcal does not contain fucking Mescaline. I am sorry this is dangerous territory, I can’t let you have it. Well I might if you drop by the stall, but only if I think I can trust you.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 8:45 pm
i get this all the time spike….i can be nice…. i can try to do what they do……. i try to agree with them and then we have days like today were we just really love eachother……
sometimes i take it….others i play along…depending on how i feel that day…
todays play day…
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 8:48 pm
Holy shit, what does his last post means? Where is that cynide capsule Alex. I want a better death, if he continues my brain might explode itself. CAPSULE!!
By: Ateeb on July 5, 2009
at 8:48 pm
JonJon, why I would never have imagined you as a playmate.
By: Alex on July 5, 2009
at 8:49 pm
Frank;
Can you post it onto me then please?
27 Pol Pot Drive Hoe Chi Min City
Vietnam 34563
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 8:49 pm
The stall will be there on 22nd August, before the Portsmouth game, Spike. Come along with a 2005 home shirt with Muppet on the back. Wear a Captain’s garter…must be a garter not an arm or leg band. The code is three pheeps on your arse whistle. Mum’s the word.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 8:50 pm
Good sensimillia will blow his effen mind. He is unhinged already.
Look JJ, it is 14 days to pre-season, we are not going into the next campaign with this treacherous two-faced support. Dare I say ACLF will put your head on a pike. Quit now. Rest it. We have had enough.
By: shotta-gunna on July 5, 2009
at 8:51 pm
Sorry Ateeb, I ate my capsule but survived because reading his posts had made me immune to all kinds of poisonous sh*t.
By: Alex on July 5, 2009
at 8:51 pm
Jon Jon,
When will it be ” I quit and move on from this blog day”?
By: Ateeb on July 5, 2009
at 8:51 pm
Shotta;
Thanks for the advice. However, I’ll reply to anyone I see fit to. Nothing against what you guys are trying to stand for, just I really don’t like blog arguments and would rather try and get on with everyone….
I;m just an optimist really…
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 8:52 pm
Almost exactly the attitude that enabled Hitler to rise to power in the Thirties, Spike.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 8:54 pm
Frank;
But how will you recognise me?
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 8:54 pm
Thats low Frank, Hitler was just misunderstood.
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 8:55 pm
My other clients will be using a different number of pheeps, Spike.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 8:55 pm
SPike,
“Come along with a 2005 home shirt with Muppet on the back. Wear a Captain’s garter”
Gosh spike, try to keep up.
By: Ateeb on July 5, 2009
at 8:55 pm
Consolsbob, JonJon doesn’t like you.
Never mind that pint, get Consolsel to pop the cork on the Bolly!
****
How is Lady Nina, Frank? Still farting God Save The Queen through an arsewhistle? Or was that a dream of mine?
By: FunGunner on July 5, 2009
at 8:58 pm
Ateeb;
Nope, you didnt get it. Never mind…
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 8:58 pm
I agree with Ateeb.
By: BarneyStinson on July 5, 2009
at 8:59 pm
Spike you are free to choose which side of the fence you stand on; YW will never bin you. But this blog has a reputation for standing behind Arsenal FC; not the two-faced appeal to supporters and doomers that many others stand for.
It is my opinion that as we draw closer to pre-season we need to draw our line in the sand; we expect Arsenal to win the whole enclillada, the EPL, no less. AW will make sure the players understand that, we in the supporters need to understand that as well. Hence the Jon-Jons of this world need to understand we will not stand for anything that undermines this goal and currently he is does not.
By: shotta-gunna on July 5, 2009
at 9:02 pm
to be honest ateeb ive been thinking about it a while now….
your never going to accept me and icant be arsed with all the shit…
you are obviously all close knit and im taking your enjoyment away and im feeling abit guilty so after tonight i wont be back…..
is that ok???? will that do???
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 9:03 pm
Shotta;
Looks like I want have to choose anything then…
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 9:04 pm
Tears of joy. Jon Jon, you leaving would be like Rosicky and Eduardo having an injury free season. Thanks alot.
Don’t worry we know all about you, and I really don’t think you can add anything to what you’ve been going on about for the last 2 weeks or so. There are other blogs you’d feel more at home.
By: Ateeb on July 5, 2009
at 9:07 pm
Are we on the cusp of a post jj era here or am I being delusional.
By: Alex on July 5, 2009
at 9:09 pm
Shut the effen door behind you!
By: shotta-gunna on July 5, 2009
at 9:09 pm
I don’t know Alex, I can’t believe what I’ve just read. I read till the end, thinking he might have added a “just kidding” line. But there was none. Order the champagnes, a new era is upon us.
By: Ateeb on July 5, 2009
at 9:12 pm
Hi FG, Lady Neena is fine and so I might add is Peter. The close season is great becuase I am not reminded of his plod donkey Dad. Where do they go in the summer? I am in fact a republican, not an American republican you understand. In England republicanism is certainly not the domain of the right. So God Save the Queen might have been a dream. I have tried to deal with Lady Neena’s farts and so I am afraid she is not farting tunes, not publicly anyway. I have developed something of a phobia about them after being rendered unconscious on more than one occasion. Let us just say that if anyone feeds her brussel sprouts this Christmas…well they had better make sure it kills me thats all. If I had lit a cigar…well fucks knows what could have happened. I don’t suppose that Neena and the wagon would have remained connected. The new Highbury Square development could have been reduced to rubble and I might have ended up in a tree, blackened face, hair swept back with the sound of…WaWaWaaah…ringing in my ears.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 9:14 pm
You are somewhat out of place here, JonJon. Like a Klan member at a Black Panthers meeting.
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 9:15 pm
im actually gonna miss you polly….ive started to get your humour…your pretty funny….you’d be good to blog with other than the fact we cant stand eachother….
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 9:17 pm
Thanks Frank: For your usual uncompromising leadership.
Ateeb-ayor: On your day you are unstoppable.
Pz/FunGunner/OoU/Alex/Muppet/wise old Bob/even s-g: you guys are great.
Hopefully over the next few weeks we can focus on how as supporters how we can help the Gunners take their rightful place, on top of the EPL.
By: shotta-gunna on July 5, 2009
at 9:22 pm
ateeb i aint joking mate…you guys are very protective over eachother and im obviously not wanted and alot of you really need this place to get by…..im just ruining it for you…i see that..
but if you miss me and you fancy a fight you know were to find me….
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 9:24 pm
Why let a little thing like the fact you hate each other get in the way of what could be a beautiful relationship?
Seems daft to me…
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 9:24 pm
Don’t make this personal, JonJon. If you promised never to mention Arsenal, we’d probably get on okay; but this is, after all, an Arsenal blog.
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 9:28 pm
@ Frank
That’ll teach you to smoke near the back end of a horse, you little scamp, you.
You make a powerful case for the abolition of brussels sprouts, for which I have campaigned for many years.
But until that happy day, you could always bag up Lady Neena’s farts and run the undersoil heating off them?
By: FunGunner on July 5, 2009
at 9:34 pm
Jon Jon,
We really need this place to be doomer(for lack of a better word) free. There are alot of Arsenal blogs, out there, where you won’t be labbeled as one. And you’d get along with them perfectly. But according to our defination, it’s all about supporting the club through thick and thin. And that includes respect for the manager and every player that wears the Arsenal shirt.
P.S Please get rid of Mr. T.
By: Ateeb on July 5, 2009
at 9:35 pm
nah Ateeb….
i like Mr T…reminds me off bergkamp….
aint getting on no plane……
right im off been emotional…..
laters…
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 9:39 pm
Are the tears of joy still flowing, Ateeb?
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 9:41 pm
No pz, he’s gone. And I’ll never find out how Mr. T reminded him of Bergkhamp.
By: Ateeb on July 5, 2009
at 9:46 pm
Smells like victory…
By: Consolsbob on July 5, 2009
at 9:46 pm
Sorry Frank – I must be tired. Just checked back on your post and realised that you said If you had lit a cigar…
So I take back the admonition about smoking.
By: FunGunner on July 5, 2009
at 9:47 pm
He’ll be back, possibly under another name.
By: FunGunner on July 5, 2009
at 9:48 pm
JJ
Don’t go. I have so many unanswered questions.
Blame the Peroni for what? The internal familial structure? When two banjos clash?
Right I’m off to look at that yellow thing in the sky and start howling…
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on July 5, 2009
at 9:50 pm
You’re a mean person Bob. He trusted you so much, the moment you backed out, he had no other option. How do you feel now?
By: Ateeb on July 5, 2009
at 9:51 pm
Jonjon, you come here to insult peoples’ intelligence. First, you call the ACN crap, second, you have a thing for the Arsenal fans who happen not to be “locals”. For the life of me I cannot understand your myopic reasoning. Now get it into your thick skull: Non local do NOT NEED YOUR APPROVAL to support Arsenal and they don’t see themselves as any less of Arsenal supporters than you.
By: Uggunner on July 5, 2009
at 9:52 pm
Uggunner,
Let it go. You don’t want him returning now do you, and justify his comments. Clarifications are the last thing we need at the moment.
Anyone looking for answers would have to venture to the other blog. I would rather sleep.
Mister T. and Bergkhamp….hmm….got to figure this one out on my own than.
By: Ateeb on July 5, 2009
at 9:58 pm
Ateeb;
I think its because Bergkamp doesnt fly (not on under his own steam, obviously) and neither did MrT when he was in that hilarious A Team TV show…
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 10:00 pm
How could I have missed that opportunity, FG. However you must know that global warming is caused by farting cows. I shall spend the rest of the evening, with a fresh sheet of A3 paper and some pencils, considering how to get Lady Neena and Peter to produce ‘clean’ farts. I think that this might be a one and a half bottle of wine problem.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 10:01 pm
If I remember correctly, Arsene Wenger wants to add to his squad this summer and not let any one leave.
I agree. I want us to keep Eboue and sign a player like Melo. I really like eboue and although I don’t overlook the quite frankly ridiculous mistakes that he has made -I still like him. I also like Ade too.
Call me greedy but I don’t want one or the other. I want both.
By: Arse Baggins on July 5, 2009
at 10:03 pm
I thought global warming was going to raise sea-levels and flood Stamford Bridge.
It was on that understanding that I bought my patio air-conditioning.
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 10:05 pm
Oh good point, PZ. Right, brussel sprouts for Lady Neena and Peter it is then. Just a method of safe extraction I am looking for then. I know I will send in my wife, my seventh wife actually, with a rubber hose and a large plastic container. Got to be huge container though….I know my daughter’s old bouncy castle…we could fill that. Could be dangerous though some of the local kids might not realise that it is filled with an explosive mixture. Especially the eleven year olds who keep burgling the house, they might fancy a bounce, could be dangerous especially for the ones that smoke.
By: Frank on July 5, 2009
at 10:15 pm
jonjon = blog head = arse21
By: twotouchmiracle on July 5, 2009
at 10:16 pm
Mmm.. Bit of a Groundhog Day…only read the first 100 or so, and the last “I’ll get my coat” ones.
Aaaargh! Who was the boring guy who never came back ?? Not AIC..before.. Mmm..jumpers for goalposts…eh ?
By: ponyboy on July 5, 2009
at 10:23 pm
Arse Baggins – agree. Let’s splash a little cash, and we can all relax.
Who the hell was the BORING GUY ??? Please help – one day you too will have senility…
By: ponyboy on July 5, 2009
at 10:25 pm
Ponyboy,
You’re showing the symptoms of having read one of JonJon’s posts through.
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 10:26 pm
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=48735&cc=5739
anyone interested in Melo’s stats.
By: dukegoonem on July 5, 2009
at 10:29 pm
dukegoonem;
Do you think there is anything to the Melo-drama…?
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 10:31 pm
More than one, PZ – you’re right, my brain feels wooden, erm, mate!
Thanks Duke.. so far, all anyone seems to know is his amount of cards.
Well, obviously the boring guy (informed, but mile-long posts) was obviously just too dull to be remembered.
By: ponyboy on July 5, 2009
at 10:34 pm
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=73264&cc=5739
and Denilson’s.
By: dukegoonem on July 5, 2009
at 10:34 pm
Brussels sprouts just got a reprieve.
Why not breed Lady Neena and then train the whole brood to fart in the direction of Stamford Bridge? Cunningly, this would render the Chavs insensible, so they could not evade the rising waters of the Thames, for which, equally cunningly, Lady Neena and her offspring would also have been responsible.
Plus there’s a horse band in there – Lady Neena and the Neenettes…I’m imagining a sort of cross between the Partidge Family and Pussycat Dolls…
By: FunGunner on July 5, 2009
at 10:42 pm
You could use Lampard’s shorts to make some sort of windsock to catch or direct the emissions. I’m handy with a needle and cotton.
By: FunGunner on July 5, 2009
at 10:45 pm
Who knows Spike.
I havnt seen much of him, only the confed cup, he looked ok but you cant use that tournement as a basis on how good he is. like OOU pointed out if Wenger thinks he is better then we got then so be it.
By: dukegoonem on July 5, 2009
at 10:45 pm
I feel bad Ateeb, really bad. I led him on and then, no it’s true, I let him down!
I had girlfriends like that. I learnt.
Pb, you got a job now?
Very cathartic on here tonight.
By: Consolsbob on July 5, 2009
at 10:48 pm
dukeg;
I didnt even see him in the Confed Cup, so I am only going by our perceived interest, although, that to me, looks more like Fiorentina want Juve to up their bid…
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 10:49 pm
Plus losing Eboue would mean we dont have any real RB cover as well as the fact he can play LB and in midfield too. It depends I guess, if he wants to go as well, given the comments about wanting to play more regularly…
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 11:00 pm
“you guys are so easy to wind up its funny…i knew id get you all out to play”
That’s what the mouse think, before the cat whacks him once and for all.
By: Gunner4Ever on July 5, 2009
at 11:00 pm
Well i’d rather not get him coz he will hamper Denilson’s progress.
:Look at Ade’s stats last year! and that is him not trying with poor attitude and no passion!
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=16684&league=ENG.1&season=2009&cc=5739
By: dukegoonem on July 5, 2009
at 11:02 pm
Not sure the right player would hinder anyone’s progress really? Arshavin was signed and I can only see positives from that one. Young players like Vela, Nasri, Theo and Wilshire can learn from him…
But, it’s all conjecture right now.
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 11:11 pm
Right enuff stats from me i can already feel myself turning into a boring bastad.
By: dukegoonem on July 5, 2009
at 11:14 pm
For God’s sake, Consolsbob, where’s your grit? You’re turning my stomach.
By: Poliziano on July 5, 2009
at 11:29 pm
@Frank
I always like your wholistic and seasoned comments on here at ACLF on a daily basis. The fact that you have a soft spot for the African game is what i cherish.
By: Gunner From Nigeria on July 5, 2009
at 11:48 pm
GFN : Gee your avatar looks like my long lost brother.
By: no worries on July 6, 2009
at 12:31 am
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at 1:06 am
GFN @ 11:48 – Frank is very seasoned, period.
By: shotta-gunna on July 6, 2009
at 1:06 am
@Shotta gonna
You are spot on. How are the Caribbean Islands?
@No Worries
Are you sure i’m not the one?
By: Gunner From Nigeria on July 6, 2009
at 1:48 am
I love this post, YW. Nicely put and with considerations listed out like no other website would.
By: Son of a Gunner on July 6, 2009
at 4:20 am
FG, you may be on to something. Lady Neena and The Neenettes. Very nice. Chav windsocks – tick. Chav sleeping gas is a very nice idea. We could use your sewing skills for a number of products on the stall. New catalogue comes out in September.
GfN, Lets keep the African stuff going. See what happens next season. I am sure Zimpaul will join in.
By: Frank on July 6, 2009
at 8:03 am
We must not swap Eboue, no matter what player we are offered. Eboue is the heart and soul of our team and we need him in the dressing room and on the pitch to bind our young guns together
By: Frost on July 6, 2009
at 8:18 am
Frost,
Do you think Zokora is worth the 10 million price tag that your club has put on him? He seems like a pub player to me.
By: Alex on July 6, 2009
at 8:28 am
Zokora is crap. We think we have problems with Denilson and Song? At least they have time to improve
By: RontheGoon on July 6, 2009
at 8:41 am
We don’t have problems with Denilson and Song!
By: Frank on July 6, 2009
at 9:10 am
@ Frank, IMO we do, they are not the finished article yet, which is why wenger is looking to strengthen in that position.
By: RontheGoon on July 6, 2009
at 9:19 am
How long will we as a society have to put up with out and out lies put out by the press. A very obvious lie has been perpetrated in one of todays arsewipes, and the writer will be paid for it in the full knowledge that the prick made it up.
By: Frank on July 6, 2009
at 9:20 am
So in fourth place we had Nasri, in third was Almunia. I’m predicting Denilson in second (or even first!)……on the player of the season vote on arsenal.com. He got my vote.
By: mingus on July 6, 2009
at 9:21 am
Cesc is off to Barcelona… He’s too lazy. It’s time to get rid of him. £40M fo Cesc. Bite their hands of Arsene!!
By: Ole Gunner on July 6, 2009
at 9:35 am
Denilson really should be first or second, but, unless I’ve missed something, I reckon it’s going to be Arshavin now, and RvP next week.
By: OneOfUs on July 6, 2009
at 9:36 am
For f*ck’s sake. If anyone says “finished article” again, I’ll go insane.
By: Poliziano on July 6, 2009
at 9:49 am
You’re probably right. RvP had a good season. Arshavin had a great half-season, of course. But Denilson was class throughout and kept us going through those difficult days. If it were the movies, Denilson would probably get the Oscar for best supporting role.
By: mingus on July 6, 2009
at 9:54 am
I’m expecting a new blog post soon, but I suppose YW hasn’t got a finished article yet.
By: OneOfUs on July 6, 2009
at 9:56 am
mingus
Nope, it will be Arshavin and van Persie in the Top 2 and I would not like to guess which order.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on July 6, 2009
at 9:56 am
Arshavin only played 15 games. That’s not half a season. It’s less than a third of the games many of our players played.
By: Poliziano on July 6, 2009
at 10:02 am
Arshavin’s going to be massive in 09/10, but he really only got going for us in March this year (naturally because he needed time to get up to speed).
He contributed a lot in two months, but I’ll be really disappointed if the fans have voted him into the top two for the whole season.
I agree that Denilson deserves to be there; he was probably our most consistent payer over the whole season.
By: OneOfUs on July 6, 2009
at 10:04 am
Sell Cesc (£40M), bring in Jermain Jenas £15M, Let’s get Peter Crouch before AC Milan get him £15M and £10M for Lescott. We’ll be good to go.
By: Ole Gunner on July 6, 2009
at 10:08 am
Way too much emphasis on Eboue’s positives.
Just take the African Nations Crap into account and we are better off without him.
Wenger didn’t exactly rush to put him as full back when Sagna was injured, so it stands to reason that if he can be a makeweight in a deal to bring Melo, then I say bite their frigging arms off.
By: gazetna on July 6, 2009
at 10:18 am
@gazetna
People like you should be locked up in the vehicle of shameful and disgraceful oblivion. Why should you call the African Nations Cup crap? Don’t you have something else to say? I suggest you stay mute if you are confused as to the right words to use. Shame on you.
By: Gunner From Nigeria on July 6, 2009
at 10:52 am
Mayank @3:08,
How can you question this with the joyous humour of the dialogue between Spike/Frank, the geneological query of YW or the phenomenal doomer ID established by shotta-gooner.
This has been the funniest and most pleasurable blog that I have read in a long, long time.
Forever AFC
By: Dgob on July 6, 2009
at 11:28 am