A good way to start the weekend with Kieran Gibbs and Robin van Persie both resolving contract issues. Gibbs was the breakthrough player last season and deserves his deal. He learned some harsh lessons but showed the mental strength to recover for both club and country. In a tournament which ended in tears, Gibbs was one of the few England players who enhanced his reputation. Congratulations to him.
van Persie meanwhile has apparently agreed to sign the extension to his current contract, tieing him to the club until 2014 or a simply irresistable offer comes in. Whilst Emmanuel Adebayor occupies more column inches and divides opinions, the same cannot be said of the Dutchman. Anyone who believes that van Persie is not the club’s most important striker should remove their head from their rectum immediately.
For Wenger, securing van Persie was possibly his most important summer signing. If we as supporters rate him highly, it is inconceivable that those who train with him on a daily basis do not have a higher opinion of his abilities. More importantly, his signature is a sign of intent. van Persie’s stance all along has not been about money, it has been about the squad. Whatever psychologies Wenger has imparted in the Dutchman’s direction, he has convinced him that this squad can win titles. From that, we should draw strength and belief to underpin the inherent hopes and aspirations that every supporter has, no matter what club they follow. Crucially, if the players believe, we should cast doubts aside as the pre-season approaches. It is a new dawn, a new season, a new hope.
An interesting aside from the main point of The Independent’s article is the final paragraph. Their sources are at odds with the comments made by Wenger earlier this week on French TV where his specified Chamakh as a potential replacement should there be any departures. It is a big vote of confidence in players such as Bendtner and Eduardo that anyone would even dare to speculate that Adebayor would not be replaced should he find the vulgar charms of Milan too much to resist.
On the subject of Eduardo, he is the subject of a Q&A in this month’s FourFourTwo. Inevitably, the thrust of the article was around that injury:
Would you say that the injury made you closer to the supporters?
I think so. Last year, I was on a good run of form and with all due modesty, after the injury the team’s form deteriorated. I don’t know whether it was because they were shocked about what happened with me or something else. But everyone would come to me and say: “We need you”. What I did on my comeback for the first team, scoring twice, also helped foster that relationship with the fans.
I like a player who has an understated ego. I picture him sitting there not in an obviously conceited way, simply confident of his abilities and knowing that he is more than good enough to hold his own in the Arsenal squad. The incident still preys on his insecurities though for he will not watch the tackle again until he retires:
It’s important for me not to watch it now, for my psychological condition, for my mind. What I like to see are my goals. Those I watch over and over again.
Reflecting on his year out, he views it in terms of the time being lost in his development as a player, in terms of the improvements he could have made to his game and the goals he could have scored. As he puts it,
I have to look at it from the perspective of what I could have done
It is clear that he is a man in a hurry to make up for lost time. You get the sense that he is not going to be satisfied until he has reached his full potential and now wants to achieve that in as quick a time as possible.
For Arsenal, a fully motivated forward line that includes van Persie and Eduardo, that is a good sign for next season. A bad one, hopefully, for the opposition defences. ’til Tomorrow.























1st. Oh, er, umm, I’ll get me coat.
By: Yogi's Warrior on July 4, 2009
at 9:31 am
2nd oh no !!!
Good post YW. A fully fit and motivated Eduardo, VP and Rosicky gives a lot to look forward to next season.
By: Muppet on July 4, 2009
at 9:39 am
3rd
By: Gunner4Ever on July 4, 2009
at 9:45 am
I second that Muppet! I’m quite excited at the thought of the new season – a fully fit and raring to go Eduardo (and Rosicky hopefully) as well as the super talented RVP signed up. Life is good!
By: Passenal on July 4, 2009
at 9:53 am
14 days to the first pre-season….
By: Gunner4Ever on July 4, 2009
at 10:00 am
Quote: I was on a good run of form and with all due modesty, after the injury the team’s form deteriorated.
Absolutely agree. I believe that awful game at Birmingham started the rot that eventually cost us the title.
Eduardo had settled into the team superbly and we badly missed his goals. Adebayor badly missed his strike partner. Remember Ade scoring in 9 consecutive matches? It all came to an abrupt end when he didn’t have Eduardo alongside him.
Apart from that, two dreadful refereeing decisions cost us two points. The ref looked straight at Adebayor being pulled back in the area and ignored it, then gave them a dodgy penalty in injury time after Clichy’s lapse of concentration.
Then we had the spectacle of Gallas losing it which so delighted the press who’d been waiting for an excuse to put the boot in.
More points dropped in the next few games as our confidence dipped, allowing United to catch us up and overtake us. By the time we went to OT we simply didn’t have the self-belief to win, even though we played them off the park for most of the match.
Eduardo showed on his comeback that he can be the player he was, although he’s been prone to thigh and groin strains. Hopefully with more rest and a proper pre-season, he can pick up where he left off and take us back to the top.
By: GoonerGerry on July 4, 2009
at 10:01 am
JJ, I’ll answer your point from the end of the last post here. It’s not about pulling power. If there’s any truth in the rumour that City checked out JT’s willingness to join them before making their bid it could just be about the money. He isn’t getting any younger and he’s allegedly concerned that he may not be in Ancelotti’s plans as captain. Maybe Man City have also offered him the captaincy and he sees a chance to win things with all that money behind them. Chelsea have not won much recently, they have an aging team and Abramovich seems to have tightened the purse strings. Who knows what is going on. And don’t say he’s Chelsea through and through as we thought we had one of those but he soon left when the cash was dangled in front of his face.
By: Passenal on July 4, 2009
at 10:03 am
8th???
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 10:06 am
I think the options this year for Wenger are far far greater. Even if we were to suffer injuries to 3 or 4 major players, I would hope that we have enough depth in the squad to cover. Worst case scenario would be to lose Gallas, Fabregas, VP, say. We would still have an array of options in defence, midfield and up front.
We will almost certainly see the introduction of Wilshere, Ramsey, Gibbs on a regular basis, and perhaps more of Merida, Coquelin, Jay Emmanuel Thomas, Barazite as well. All of these players are class.
By: Muppet on July 4, 2009
at 10:07 am
very positive article today.good start to the weekend
Eddy is raring to go & rvp is staying – gr8 news. Nxt year we will be SENSATIONAL!imagine Eddy & RvP upfront.Rosicky,Cesc,DM,Arshavin that is 1 hell of a side.the most intelligent attacking force in the EPL imo.all we need is them to forge an understanding asap.I CANNOT WAIT FOR THAT TO HAPPEN-remember the side of season b4 last?i think this is going to be better.we’l also have gr8 impact subs – Benderboy,Nasri & Walcott & Vela.my only concerns are that 1- we need to work harder when we dnt have the ball (like ManU). 2-we need to score more goals from set pieces.3-we need to defend better frm set pieces.If we address that we’l be cruising….
By: KM in WALES on July 4, 2009
at 10:10 am
The Owen deal is great business for Utd.If he fails Utd lose 3m.
I wish some Arsenal players were on pay as you play contracts
Who much did we pay Bishcoff(WHO??????) to keep the treatment table warm last season?
By: 4th is not success on July 4, 2009
at 10:11 am
I wonder if Arsene will get a % of Chamakh’s transfer fee if he goes to Sunderland? If the rumours are to be believed I see Steve Bruce is up to his old trick of picking up Arsene’s leftovers!
By: Passenal on July 4, 2009
at 10:13 am
We got Bischoff free, I think. Arsene said it was a gamble. If it had worked, it would have been great. Just like Owen at OT. United have got nothing to lose.
By: GoonerGerry on July 4, 2009
at 10:14 am
YW
Totally agree with the last part of your article.A front line of RVP and Eduardo is what we want next year with Bender and Vela as backup.NO Adebayor
We still need a DM though.Cana please
By: Gooner Ted on July 4, 2009
at 10:17 am
passanel
im like you im very open minded about thses things but cashley wasnt captain and wasnt on 120k -150k a week…
terry leaving for mancity or any team for that matter just isnt viable for me…
it was like when gerrard was linked to everyone with money but hes still at liverpool…
some players are just made to be at one club all their careers….
players like gerrard…adams… le tissier…
and they are all captains….i put terry in that bracket….
but we are going away from your original point….yes i think he will be slated by sections….but terry has given chelsea over 10 years of service and lifted them trophies….even after all the players they signed terry is still one of their best players…..he owes chelsea nothing and his loyalty cant be questioned…anyone who stays at a club longer than 10 years isnt disloyal….and lets be honest…they are 10 good constistent seasons….
ade on the other hand is a different story….hes been at aresnal 5 minutes and has his best season and hes upto tricks….hes never won anything and he didnt show the same amount of desire he did the season before last so ade will get slated more than terry for obvious reasons….
the fact that last year wenger did everything he could to keep ade..ie..new contract…..compared in contrast this year where he says if ade wants to leave he will leave…. suggests wenger wasnt too happy last season with him either….and if we have another performance like last year he can walk…no ones going to stop him this time….
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 10:17 am
Assuming and hoping Eduardo is fully fit, I think we will see the best of him this year, something we’ve not seen yet. I think he’d just started to settle in when he got injured, so we only to see glimpses of his talent.
I think his return might be an element in Arsene’s comments about changes in team formation. Last year I felt that too many teams had “worked us out”, especially the so called “lesser” teams. I think a front line of:
RvP – Eduardo – Arshavan
Would have the guile and talent to get past most teams, with Ade and Bendtner for when it is felt a more physical presence is needed, or we are playing a sole striker,
By: Nick on July 4, 2009
at 10:19 am
RVP is a vital `signing` particularly if Ade leaves.
I see Gibbs & Traore playing LM as well as full back next season.
Now then – Swine Flu. If as predicted this thing is going to sweep the land it will seriously effect the season ahead. Looking at our fixtures I reckon October would be the best time for us to be laid low.
By: Paulie Walnuts on July 4, 2009
at 10:20 am
Great post Yogi… Cant wait for Eduardo to com back….
By: Nirmit on July 4, 2009
at 10:26 am
If we stay injury free next season we have a good chance to winn the league, no doubt about it!
By: Darri on July 4, 2009
at 10:27 am
good post YW…
i dont think its any coincidence that at a time when clubs are spending silly money on good players…
we are announcing our intentions to keep ours…
im lead to beleive that gibbs actually signed a new deal before he went away with the U21’s….
and robin had his contract tied up a while back too…
the announcement was delayed becuase thats what we seem to do these days….
either way its good for the club….it shows intent that we are not a selling club and our best players do actually want to stay…
it can only have a positve affect on the rest of the squad….
robin announces he’ll sign if we can win things…and he signs…good news….
on the other hand….thats what ade should of done….he should of done the same as robin
if he wanted a new contract then fair enough….but he should of done it like robin…
”i’ll sign if we can win things” has a positive response from the fans when he signs…
the fact ade had three years left and not just one…. and the fact he went public and used the fact milan were after him to get his money was ill advised and shows a lack of respect and connection with the fans….
the fans dont want to listen a player who says he will leave the club doesnt match another clubs wage offer….
the fans will listen to a player who says he will stay if the club can win things….
in conclusion,..robins here to win trophies….ades here to make money….
ade should of got the same agent as robins..
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 10:32 am
I’m still out on Rosicky being fit, or I should say staying fit. The kind of injury he has is very hard not to make reoccur, in other words it’ll be a 50/50 thing weather he re-aggrivates the injury or not. I work at Walter Reed Hosp. in the USA and I see alot of ligament and muscle tears/damage and those are very hard to fully recover from, and those soldiers aren’t going to be running up & down a pitch for 90 plus minutes every week and in training as well….but I sure hope ol’ Rosey proves the odds wrong and pulls through this just fine. I still think this squad is lacking a solid DM to partner Cesc, but I think we all believe that. Anyway cannot wait for pre-season, I have serious footie-itis, in other words I’m “Jones” for some good ol’ footie y’all, good ol’ Arsenal footie!!!!
By: f4phantomphreak on July 4, 2009
at 10:43 am
Roscisky Back? Fabregas try and have a believe u can make it. Are u not better than those big names common it takes your believe to win. why dont u beklieve like RVP? Why ? Roscisky is back for u we dont need all that mttiu flamini kind of playa shit. There can only be one Flamini and these big names are not Flamini BELIEVE IN YOUR SELF MAN A NIGERIAN BORN GUNNER UCHE NAIJA
By: uchenaija on July 4, 2009
at 10:45 am
Manchester City are eager to sign John Terry because of the boost it will give to shirt sales. They plan to use the proceeds to build an exclusive resort on the moon, the chief attraction of which will be a thousand gold toilets. Over time, they hope to assemble a heap of shit as large as that produced daily by Real Madrid’s publicity department.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 10:46 am
Good article YW – as usual a balanced perspective.
I think its really important that players like Eddy and Clichy get the proper attention and gratitude from fans specifically because of their understated ego and loyalty to the club.
Clichy has dismissed every single transfer rumour instantaneously irrespective of the club or fee involved. He really is dedicated to the club and appreciates all that Arsene has done for him.
Similarly, Eddy has shown incredible dedication to come back from such a terrible injury and according to Arsene has never once complained about anything since coming to the club.
I think guys like this can often be overlooked and are underpin the stability of the club and that should be recognised by fans. These guys are never in the papers and if they are – its always for the right reasons unlike others that come to mind.
The prospect of seeing Arshavin play at 10 with Rosicky, Eddy & Rvp playing off him makes my mouth water.!
By: Joe on July 4, 2009
at 10:53 am
polly thats funny….
i admit i chuckled…quite fitting when citehs anthem is blue moon…
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 11:04 am
Get off the Ade thing Jonjon, it’s a bit old.
Also you are wrong about Stevie Me, his bags were packed and there was a shirt with his name on it waiting at Stamford bridge until those lovable scousers threatened him anf his family.
Loyalty? Very rare commodity these days. I don’t see Terry as Tony Adams. Even the great Tony flirted with manu one season, if stories are to be believed, when it looked as if we were not going to deliver on the pitch.
As for Terry, he is a complete chav who can always do with more bling and what buys bling?
By: Consolsbob on July 4, 2009
at 11:05 am
I love Eduardo and seriously hope he gets a good run in the team next season I honestly believe he can be equally as good for us as Torres is for Liverpool.
He has the talent and the eye for goal.
By: drew10 on July 4, 2009
at 11:07 am
It’d be SUPER if EDS & TR7 were able to play 50-73% of our games this season. If AW gets the tactics right we’d be back to our scary best.
Never ever thought RvP wouldn’t sign. He’s all-gooner our Robin. Well done son.
My gut feling says its going to be DM by comittee this season. With Song, Djourou, Denilson, Eboue, Toure, & Diaby all viable options. The question is who steps up during pre-season? Its a position that requires great reading of the game, stamina & pre-emptive interceptions.
We’ll see…
Wonder if AW’s still going to sign 1 more?
RASERS!
By: Aman on July 4, 2009
at 11:10 am
ConsolsBob
no disrespect mate but passenal brought the whole ‘ade’ thing up…i was responding in kind…
as for stevie and tony…
maybe so….but thats all he said she said and the fact remains stevie is still at anfield and tony stayed with us….
terrys still with chelsea…and although i agree loyaty is a rare commodity these day…ive already pointed out that terry has been at chelsea ovr 10 years….if thats not loyal…what is???
if he leaves he leaves…but he wont be critisised like passenal pointed out….simply because he owes the chavs nothing and is a proven winner…
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 11:11 am
Absolutely brilliant post, YW.
By: Frank on July 4, 2009
at 11:16 am
I’d love to see him go though, especially for 300k a week. That would be the biggest joke of the season until Breakdown gets the sack.
By: Consolsbob on July 4, 2009
at 11:18 am
I agree with Drew10 and Aman.
By: Frank on July 4, 2009
at 11:23 am
With all fully fit and in form it has to be Eduardo, Van Persie, Arshavin, Fabregas and Rosicky providing out attacking force and our first choice in big games. That is experienced and not that young.
Nasri, Walcott, Bendtner, Vela and Diaby rotating (possibly in that order) should get enough games.
The holding player is harder but I still feel Song, Denilson and Ramsey (in that order) can do well. And I get the feeling Vermaelen might be used there.
Bottom line is that we are not far. A bit more luck with injuries can transform us.
By: dr gooner on July 4, 2009
at 11:26 am
If John Terry went to Citeh, I wouldn’t be able to stop laughing for the whole of next season. In fact it would probably take medical intervention to stop me laughing. Started already…pffffftt..
Hehehehehehehehe…
HARHARHARHARHARHAAAAAAAAAAR…..
HAAAAAAAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAH…urrrggghu…
Oh dear oh dear oh dear
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA..
Fucking hell stop it….
HAHAHAHHA..HEHEHEHEHE….Pffft
By: Frank on July 4, 2009
at 11:29 am
frank…i agree…
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 11:31 am
John Terry going to Man. City would certainly have a comical aspect, but I would prefer him to stay at Chelsea. The more players who turn down City’s black gold the better, in my opinion.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 11:32 am
do u know why wenger wants Ade to go is because u fans dont support but boo him thats too ban give him some encouragement man. we need tall strikers that will make the tall defenders worry why the short strikers score
By: uchenaija on July 4, 2009
at 11:38 am
polly i agree..
it would be funny…but bad for the game….
the only people that can change the way football is going is the players….
blatter and platini can try to threaten to use the salary cap rule or whatever to even the playing field…but then all the clubs with the financial backing will just turn round and say fuck you…
we’ll start our own league…and earn ourselves more money becuase the TV and the world will want to watch us….. you can shove the CL the PL or whatever league up your arses along with your salary caps….
only the players can stop this by telling the clubs like citeh to get on their bike…but in a day when loyalty is rare and footballs about the bling….as consolsbob pointed put….its unlikey to ever stop…
which is why i had alot of respect for kaka when he turned citeh down….
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 11:41 am
uchenaija
wenger doesnt want ade to go….but the difference is that last year wenger made it clear that ade was essential to the squad by giving him that new deal…and it all went to ades head…and he wasnt the same player…
this year i think wenger wont be burnt twice…by saying ade can leave if he wants he is saying to the player you are not as important as you think you are….
its mind games…wengers done it for years….ade probably thought he had wenger by the bollox last year…wengers just letting him know he hasnt….
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 11:46 am
Is the Ateebonator is still a Gooner?
It is all peaches and cream these days; doom-mongers are on vacation during pre-season and suddenly we no longer need our most prolific anti-doomer. Air brushed out of the picture, just like Pravda.
Ateebo-nator, are you are still signed up with ACLF? Just wondering.
By: shotta-gunna on July 4, 2009
at 11:55 am
With £150,000 per week, Terry can already buy more bling than he can carry. I suppose the most expensive cars are only a few hundred thousand pounds, so he can already have those. Luxury yachts? I don’t know about them, but I doubt they’d amount to more than a few months savings. Houses around London can be very expensive. The largest ones will be out of his reach; but of course if he lives in Manchester he will no longer have a use for them. Perhaps he likes holiday homes. If so, he can already afford the trashiest of “villas” in the slag-resorts that footballers frequent. What would he do with all that extra money?
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 12:08 pm
probably pay off the fines his family create by shoplifting….
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 12:16 pm
If Adebayor leaves, then do we need to sign a new striker? I want Ade to stay as I feel he has much to offer and much still to learn regarding link up play.
We have enough talent and a partnership of Eduardo and RVP can be devastating becuase of their movement and intelligence. And not forgetting Vela who will be a superstar of a second striker. Bendtner has much also to learn but is coming on leaps and bounds.
By: The Brain on July 4, 2009
at 1:11 pm
The likes of Terry can never have too much money because for them money equals success.
Being the Biggest Knob amongst their knob mates matters to them.
I want him to go to City, I want that obscenity to swell and swell until like a boil it bursts splashing yellow matter all over the money men.
By: Consolsbob on July 4, 2009
at 1:19 pm
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By: Ateeb on July 4, 2009
at 1:40 pm
Hey everyone…….what have i missed…have we signed Eto & Ribery yet?
By: Maria on July 4, 2009
at 1:41 pm
Or anyone over 16??
By: Maria on July 4, 2009
at 1:42 pm
The Brain @ 1:11 pm – From posts I’ve read on this blog “it” is already gone, air brushed entirely. Striking duties are primarily up to RVP and Eduardo with Bendtner, Vela and whomever coming off the bench. Well I guess most of our EPL and Champions League opponents are just quaking in their boots.
Ateebo-nator, have you signed for Milan?
By: shotta-gunna on July 4, 2009
at 1:46 pm
For me the Terry issue boils down to two questions.
Will Man City be a title contender if they sign Terry?
Will Chelsea be weakened by the loss of Terry?
By: Marc on July 4, 2009
at 1:49 pm
What the f****? So does that mean Manu won’t be buying RVP? Oh crap. I just hope they sign some striker, so that they can atleast make an attempt to compete with us at a certain level. It won’t be fun watching Owen lead the line, with Berbatov slacking behind. Rooney would be too busy, being a man, and doubling up on our baby theo, with Evra the man. I hope they sign some creative midfielders, so players like Carrick and Fletcher can return to mid table clubs where they belong. Just hope, Nani and Anderson come good as well, since they’ve shown no sign of that yet. Although Nani has been practising his acrobatic skills, tricks, flicks and the Dolphin move, so that he can entertain the fans on the sidelines as we thrash the *****ers 4-0.
RVP CLICK CLICK CLICK!!!! Great news, the bandwagon is turning. The agenda for buying a DM is dropping on many blogs. Rightly so. We are ready to go with this team. Just hope Gallas, is given an extention as well. Don’t see Arsene going for another midfielder, the only position that might see some reinforcements is the RB. But that too would depend on how Arsene sees Eboue as a cover for that position.
Still here, Shotta, although my head might turn if Barca signs Villa, so no gurantees. Or if Real signs 2 creative midfielders and one good LB.
By: Ateeb on July 4, 2009
at 1:53 pm
Hey Maria! Good to hear that you are about.
Boil down, Marc? No make it ripe and prime for bursting.
By: Consolsbob on July 4, 2009
at 1:53 pm
Long time Maria. Good to see that you’re rid of the blues, but seems you’ve gone a bit yellow.
We haven’t signed Eto or Ribery, but we’ve managed to keep our 4th targetting team together.
By: Ateeb on July 4, 2009
at 1:55 pm
This is hilarious. Today’s piece from one of our finest doom and gloom blogs, in response to Barca’s incessant attempts to woo Cesc complained that:
It’s the way they do business in Spain, they keep wearing the player down until the club give in, well Arsenal, it’s time you showed some balls and stood up to these people, report them to FIFA.
Then in the next sentence continued its long running to wear down Ade’s ties to Arsenal.
Who should we report them to?
By: shotta-gunna on July 4, 2009
at 1:57 pm
Loool..how where you holidays Bob…?
By: Maria on July 4, 2009
at 1:57 pm
Well…..while in the states i was reliably informed that if we if we brought those two players the triple would be ours next season??
By: Maria on July 4, 2009
at 2:01 pm
OMG: Ateeb you are back. I must confess, fearing you had lost faith in ACLF, I misself was thinking of contacting my agent. Maybe a little ice-cream in Barcelona, perhaps.
By: shotta-gunna on July 4, 2009
at 2:02 pm
Eduardo is probably the biggest fan favourite at the moment, apart from maybe Arshavin, but you just have to admire the way he plays with his heart on his sleeve. I’d even go so far as to suggest a possible candidate for captaincy in the future?
With regards to his comments, I agree that his injury was a major shock for us, but I’ll go on further to say that maybe it wasn’t just his contribution; goals, assists, etc. but also because everyone was a little scared to commit themselves to a challenge because of what happened. And because no one could jump in and get their hands dirty, it ultimately affected out determination.
By: Josh on July 4, 2009
at 2:02 pm
You’ve forgotten to take off your sunglasses, Maria. Off with the shades, and on with the rose-tinted spectacles!
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 2:03 pm
I see jon jon still spreading his words of wisdom….N Shotta G has been keeping up the good work exterminating all D&Gs from the site!!!
By: Maria on July 4, 2009
at 2:04 pm
Pz……i missed you guys!!!!!
By: Maria on July 4, 2009
at 2:04 pm
Welcome back Maria, and JJ please don’t put words into my mouth as I really don’t care what that superchav does. I just thought the alleged weekly salary was a talking point.
By: Passenal on July 4, 2009
at 2:16 pm
It’s great to have you back, Maria. It’s got a bit lonely on here at times. I’m sure you’ve heard the best new: the lesser Ronaldo has f*cked off to Spain.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 2:21 pm
brain…i dont think if ade leaves a new striker is neccessary…
we already have a good blend of striker…
rvp and AA as no10’s
vela and dudu as finisher
bendtner as target man…plan B off the bench..his link up play, workrate and positioning are alot better than ades already…
theo playing off the last man waiting for the throughball….
i totally agree…with the style of play we have we need intelligent strikers with movement and off the ball skills to make the most of our creative passing game…
not ones that get caught offside every other pass and provoke the long ball….it just disprupts our style..ade was a handful for a while yes…but hes been worked out a long time ago and ade cant figure out why…defenders just push up…stay close and push up…they dont need to challenge or worry about him anymore..they just catch him offside and ade never learns…..
ades a plan b striker at best….having him in the team as plan A neutralises our attacking style because it just encourages long balls..we are not a long ball team…ade doesnt challenge for the 50-50 anymore and even if he does he doesnt get enough support fom the middle because hes out of position on the wings or hes offside…..and passes on the ground are no good to ade because he cant link up play or hold the ball that well…he takes too many touches and we end up back at our half way line with our main striker in the middle third….. or moving out to the wing with two sets of four still to get through…
yes he may score goals…but his clumsy uninteligent style wastes alot of chances too…
i’ll let all the ade lovers into a little fact….ade was the 30 goal striker that year because he was the clubs only fit striker that season for all season…and that season we had the most devasting midfield in the league…..thats the only reason why….ade was a very lucky striker…a very average striker in a worldclass team….
we get another midfield like that…which looks that way with rosicky AA and cesc…and a more intelligent striker with a real eye for goal will hit 30 goals too…but not only that….. the players around him will score more…because the offsides and the long balls and the poor link up play and the out of position on the wing, that we get with ade will disappear….
i have no concerns if ade leaves and we dont replace him…none at all…we have better quality in the team now….ades departure wouldnt change things….we’ll create more chances without him in the team….
the season before last we had the best midfield in the league..the most creative….and ade played all season and we only scored 110 goals….. ade got 30 of them but his style stopped the others from benefitting too
last season we had a none creative midfeild… and we had ade out for periods and we still managed 104….
get that creative mideild back and take ade away and i predict that figure will be up at about 130-140…which would win us something….
and for all those saying ade still got 16 goals last season so he must be good…yes he did…..but bendtner got 15 and started three games less than ade….so we have two tall strikers…who start around the same number of games and score around the same number of goals…only ones on 20k a week and is 4 years younger and one is on 80k a week and has lost the fans….
bendtner can do ades job all day long….we dont need him and we will be a better team for it…
anyone who understands wengerball… knows our style and understands how critical the pass and move part of our play is would understand that ades just a lump who gets in the way and messes it all up….. sometimes benefitting from it by getting the odd goal or two….our style doesnt depend on ade….he depends on our style and thats the difference…..but some people it seems just stick up for him for the sake of sticking up for him….
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 2:22 pm
im sorry passenal…what you said was a good topic for discussion…i thank you for bringing it up…
but im confused to where i have put words into your mouth??? if you could explain please???
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 2:27 pm
Nothing gets me more excited about this season more than the thought of a healthy Eduardo being on the pitch with Arshavin. You just can’t help but score goals or get a bunch of chances with those two out there creating….
By: ArseChicago on July 4, 2009
at 2:30 pm
i agree arsechigo…dont forget to add rosicky and cesc into the mix too…
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 2:32 pm
Welcome back Maria. Sorry I have not been as prolific as the Ateebo-nator and many others. These days I am playing the Bergkamp role, occasional forays from the bench, using Ateeb as my decoy.
While the doom-and-gloom meter is on the low side, the insanity about our most productive striker over the past three-years continues unabated. If you have any doubts, just read the latest screed @ 2:22 pm from our resident pundit J-J. Apparently only AW is convinced that “it” will be an Arsenal player next season.
By: shotta-gunna on July 4, 2009
at 2:59 pm
agree with jon jon on ade
By: max_underwood on July 4, 2009
at 3:15 pm
if adebayor goes what will you shotta?
By: kirby on July 4, 2009
at 3:15 pm
shit sorry what will you do?
By: kirby on July 4, 2009
at 3:16 pm
Shotta, I think with all these players staying, it would be foolish of me not to sign an extention as a supporter as well. And it wouldn’t get better if Rosicky and Eduardo, were to have a good season.
JJ,
I didn’t get your long last post. Could you re-arrange it, paraphrase, better punctuation and all, as you seem to have alot of idle time on your hand, evident by your CONTINOUS bashing of Adebayor.
By: Ateeb on July 4, 2009
at 3:17 pm
Yogi Warrior,
Have you managed to figure out why my posts are delayed for so long, yet?
By: Ateeb on July 4, 2009
at 3:18 pm
Apparently Fiorentina are saying they are discussing a deal for Melo, with Eboue going the other way:
http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy/2009/07/04/1363424/breaking-news-fiorentina-we-are-in-negotiations-to-sell
By: Nick on July 4, 2009
at 3:22 pm
JJ,
I agree largely with what you say except for the following:
We still need a plan B for northern teams on cold winter nights and Ade fits that bill nicely, provided he puts his shift in. I think thats why he was originally bought – but injuries to other players plus his hard graft saw him capitalise and surprise many people in scoring 30. So I think having Ade in the panel is good – but I hope Eduardo / Rvp provide him with adequate competition beacuse if they do – Ade will find it hard to make his place.
Ade is far and away the most effective player in a 4-5-1 combo – because of his strength and presence. No other player adequately plays that lone role.
As for Bendtner replacing Ade – Bendtner wouldn’t lace his boots in terms of presence and strength. At least Ade has some cause for his ego – but Bendy also has an ego problem having done fuck all.
I don’t like the way Ade has conducted himself. I certainly don’t like the fall off in attitude last season but when he puts a decent shift in – Ade is a very formidable force in the team. Maybe a little positive pressure from other players to show him he’s not an automatic choice might be just the thing to make sure he keeps up the work ethic.
I’ve had this argument with Ole who is of the opinion that Ade’s presence in the team is invaluable. But I do agree with you in that Arsene is very disappointed with him and reckons Ade has at times de-stabilised the team. In that case, Wenger is somewhat indifferent to the vibes coming from the Ade camp.!
By: Joe on July 4, 2009
at 3:26 pm
I stick up for Ade because he’s a good player and enjoy watching him, not just to defend him because he is the latest on some fans hate list
By: Paul on July 4, 2009
at 3:31 pm
If it is to be believed that the Melo-Eboue transfer holds some truth in it, and the deal is to go through. That would suggest we would be going for a RB as well, as Eboue is the only decent cover for that position. Very interesting, though, I just don’t get why Arsene would let Owen slip through our hands. WHY ARSENE?!
By: Ateeb on July 4, 2009
at 3:33 pm
I read most of that debate that went on last night as to whether or not Real Madrid would really be able to make their outlay on Ronaldo etc back from the sale of shirts. There were those who were saying that if they have only sold 9,000 shirts since he arrived, how on earth do they expect to get anywhere close to making 80 mil back, let alone his wages?
I thought the main mistake the sceptics were making was that they were taking the word “Shirts” too literally. When Florentino Perez said we will make the money back from the sale of shirts what he meant was from merchandising.
What’s more he is not just trying to create a glamorous football team enabling him to sell high volume of typical football merchandise like footballs and shirts, he is trying to create the equivalent of a pop group and with it a much lower age demographic enabling him to sell pencils, pencil cases, things you hang in the car, bedspreads, pillows, cups, mugs it goes on for ever.
The second thing the sceptics missed was although the club will have their sports shops around the ground that will sell their merchandise on match days, as all football clubs do, this will only be expected to generate a small part of the merchandising income, far more will come from selling the rights to the Spanish equivalent of Tescos and then the rights will be sold to Mexico and then they will be sold individually to every country in Latin and South America and then you move on to Japan and the rest of Asia and then you are getting somewhere close to understanding what Florentino Perez is talking about when he refers to the sale of “Shirts”.
By: London on July 4, 2009
at 3:37 pm
Yes Nick.
The italian is below:
l Direttore Sportivo della Fiorentina, Pantaleo Corvino nello smentire le voci di queste ultime ore di mercato, che vedono il calciatore Felipe Melo certo ad altri club e che riportano eventuali incontri per definire la cessione del calciatore precisa che:
1. – Qualora il calciatore avesse già raggiunto un accordo per suo conto con un qualsiasi Club, la clausola rescissoria fissata con il calciatore stesso a 25 milioni di euro, non contempla eventuali contropartite tecniche, a meno che non siano di gradimento dell’ACF Fiorentina.
2. -Il Direttore Sportivo precisa inoltre che l’Arsenal FC è l’unico Club che si è avvicinato alla cifra stabilità per la clausola rescissoria.
3. – La Fiorentina ha a sua volta proposto alla suddetta società di ridurre il corrispettivo della clausola rescissoria, inserendo nella trattativa il terzino destro Eboue.
PZ – where are you for the translation ? Looks like Eboue is being thrown in as a makeweight.
By: Muppet on July 4, 2009
at 3:38 pm
25 million euros is an absolutely ludicrous sum of money for a player with no proven track record at CL level and only a handful of caps for Brazil. They are taking the piss.
By: Muppet on July 4, 2009
at 3:44 pm
Eboue:(
By: Ateeb on July 4, 2009
at 3:47 pm
London,
I think the main scepticism was the figures that were asserted by the marketing company. There is no doubt that Real Madrid will make a phenomenal amount of money in any case. No doubt about that. If they do fall short, then what the hell, they just go back to their friendly bank, Santander or the Madrid council and get another refinancing deal.
By: Muppet on July 4, 2009
at 3:49 pm
I agree Muppet – Melo seems very expensive for an unknown quantity and we have to throw in a versatile and popular squad player who is used to the PL as well. I hope he’s worth it.
By: Passenal on July 4, 2009
at 3:55 pm
joe thats a very good opinion
the only things i can question you on is
1…we are arsenal…we shouldnt play a 451…never….we attack….were an attacking team…why play with a lone striker??? wenger only played with two DMs last year because he didnt trust either song or denilson to cope alone….due to our lack of attacking options through injury….the 451 formation is dead in the water….
2…..ade cant play lone striker…we seen many times last season that he doesnt get in the game…we cant get into the game with a 451 and with that formation especially with ade its like playing with 10men…
3…bendtner may not be as physical…but hes more technical and he links up the play better…he is also alot better in the air than ade…so being an attacking team….why do we need two plan B’s on the bench….especially when one is earning 80k a week….
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 3:58 pm
http://www.oleole.com/media/main/podcasts/arsecast/ADE_BROCHURE.pdf
Even in the the above, tragic and unfunny link, the stats for Ade at AFC make a mockery out of the rest of the ’spoof’. He’s had an amazing run, AW saved his career, as he’s admitted. Some may feel he’s burnt his bridges. But the fun thing about bridges is, in my experience, that you can always rebuild them.
Owen’s brochere got him into MUF*C* in the end! He’s laughing for sure, but the ‘humour’ in the above ’spoof’ must be beyond me.
By: Finsburyparker on July 4, 2009
at 4:04 pm
Hey Kirby-doomer, the question is what are you going to do if “it” is still in the shirt next year?
Boo? Jeer?
Better yet, if “it” is gone and the goals are even harder to come by, will you and the doomers say “hands up, my fault”?
Talk is cheap but proven goal-scorers are very expensive. But then reason is lost you on you and your fellow travellers.
By: shotta-gunna on July 4, 2009
at 4:07 pm
25m is fine if they value Eboue at 20m!
By: Nick on July 4, 2009
at 4:12 pm
proven goalscorers do it every season…ades done it once…i suppose kevin philips was a proven goalscorer too….
why didnt you sign kevin philips arsene..he was a one season wonder..ermmm..proven gaolscorer….
maybe we can still sign him to play alongside ade….
then we will have two proven goalscorers…..
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 4:18 pm
Ateeb
Sent you a mail yesterday re your problems – if you didn’t get it, send me a mail at the address on the About page & we’ll sort it out. Eventually.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on July 4, 2009
at 4:20 pm
One Tango…off MOTD..B
By: Maria on July 4, 2009
at 4:30 pm
Brown to get sacked within the week of the start of the new season!!!
By: Maria on July 4, 2009
at 4:32 pm
Some people are saying that the issue is now that Eboue may or may not want to go to Italy.
What about Melo ? He may not want to come to England. Some south americans and southern europeans are not to enthusiastic about the english climate. And he may have other resaons for wanting to stay in Italy.
Also, we don’t know if the figure proposed is to Arsenal’s liking. It sounds like Arsenal have made a bid, I suspect around €15 million. Fiorentina are saying throw in Eboue and we can agree. Arsenal will probably respond with an evaluation of at least €2 million for Eboue. This could be become protracted. My making it public, all Fiorentina are doing is letting any other suitors know that the player will be theirs if they meet the evaluation.
By: Muppet on July 4, 2009
at 4:38 pm
Hey passenal…..still fighting the good fight is see…
By: Maria on July 4, 2009
at 4:40 pm
What the hell happened to Arseblog?
He used to be cool.
By: OneOfUs on July 4, 2009
at 4:41 pm
The statement from Fiorentina seems to be in response to claims that Melo has already signed for Juventus. Fiorentina deny that, saying that only Arsenal have made an offer that comes close to the 25 million Euro release clause. Fiorentina have suggested Eboue be given in place of part of the fee, but it is not specified whether Arsenal have welcomed their suggestion.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 4:41 pm
€2 million for Eboue! In my opinion, Eboue is worth as much as Melo.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 4:44 pm
Great 411.. Melo is comimg as well too. How come there are so many gunners fans on Word press? What happened to Liverpool and Man U guys?.Bobby Gee. I am a Flamenguista.
http://bobbygee.wordpress.com/
By: bobbygee on July 4, 2009
at 4:44 pm
€2 million! Was that a mistake? Did you mean €20 million?
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 4:45 pm
Who the hell is Melo???
I am sooooooo behind help!!!
By: Maria on July 4, 2009
at 4:46 pm
Melo’s a Brazilian who has never been good enough to play regular first-team football, but who played moderately well in one match out of five in the recent confederations cup.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 4:50 pm
Let’s hope this transfer doesn’t drag on and turn into a melodrama.
By: OneOfUs on July 4, 2009
at 4:53 pm
If the stories re: Melo and Eboue are true, what the hell is Wenger playing at? We’ve already spent £25 million this year. I don’t care if we have the money through a sustainable business model. Spending more money on players than you receive in transfers is nothing more than cheating. We should follow ManU’s example and sell out best player for a huge profit and only spend a fraction of the money recieved. We should also sign players who are available on free transfers, even if thay are injury prone and the best days of thier careers are behind them.
By: Marc on July 4, 2009
at 4:55 pm
Good point, Big Al. On the other hand, some might say that Melo is just the fillip our midfield needs.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 5:02 pm
it shows Wenger is not as deluded as u lot on here then
Denilson back to the Carling Cup where u belong
By: Oiled Bum Hole on July 4, 2009
at 5:02 pm
Thanks Pz,
But we spent 25 million…….???
On who?
I thought we only got some defender from Ajax….
By: Maria on July 4, 2009
at 5:03 pm
If Eboue leaves, who will we have as a reserve right-back?
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 5:03 pm
Sorry – I meant €12 million for Eboue !
By: Muppet on July 4, 2009
at 5:05 pm
Maria – I said this year so I included Arshavin as well as Vermaelen.
By: Marc on July 4, 2009
at 5:05 pm
Forget right back…..who’s gonna keep the team spirit up??
By: Maria on July 4, 2009
at 5:05 pm
Don’t forget Arshavin, Maria.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 5:06 pm
Poliziano – Assuming no one leaves Toure and Gallas can both play at FB, we also have Hoyte.
By: Marc on July 4, 2009
at 5:07 pm
Maria – I think that challenging for the PL will keep the moral up.
By: Marc on July 4, 2009
at 5:08 pm
thats true oiled bum hole…
i laughed when i typed that..waiting for polly to jump in with something…
if melo signs…especially for all that money…it means that wenger doesnt think denilsons ready….
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 5:08 pm
SSN’s has just shown an interview with Owen where he has stated that he has played 32 & 33 games for Newcastle in the last 2 seasons without any decent cup runs. Anyone know how many goals he managed in these games?
By: Marc on July 4, 2009
at 5:11 pm
In which case, I suppose Gallas isn’t ready to play at centre-back. You would have thought someone would have noticed before he won 70 French caps.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 5:13 pm
ACLFers – I know it makes a lot of fun, but when did we start giving credence to transfer rumors? Granted transfers are shrouded in the secrecy akin to military intelligience (with fakes and counter-fakes) but according to the following quotation from Melo’s agent,
“There is a lot of talk about Felipe now because as well as playing an excellent season, he got himself noticed in the Confederations Cup,” added agent Baster.
“Having said that, we are not in talks, nor have we been negotiating, with anyone.”
By: shotta-gunna on July 4, 2009
at 5:13 pm
Poliziano – Sorry don’t get your point.
By: Marc on July 4, 2009
at 5:14 pm
Wikipedia says 23 goals in 62 games over the last two seasons.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 5:15 pm
Coquelin’s young, but would be very good back-up after Hoyte.
Still, I don’t like the idea of Eboue leaving.
Also, I think Melo would have to wait his turn for first-team action – just like Vermaelen will.
By: OneOfUs on July 4, 2009
at 5:15 pm
Thanks guys…..i nearly forget about AA it’s seems like his been here forever!!!
By: Maria on July 4, 2009
at 5:17 pm
Shotta-gunna,
The reason why this is being given credence is not because the rumours have come from the usual bulls*itters, but because there is a statement on the Fiorentina web site, saying that Arsenal are the only club who have made a bid for Melo and Arsenal have proposed a swap deal involving Eboue.
By: Muppet on July 4, 2009
at 5:18 pm
OneOfUs – I don’t think that after paying the best part of £10 million for Vermaelen Wenger will leave him on the bench for to long. It’s not as if our defence has been the tightest over the last two seasons.
By: Marc on July 4, 2009
at 5:19 pm
JonJon, arsehole bum,
Melo would make a good understudy to Denilson.
By: Muppet on July 4, 2009
at 5:20 pm
I don’t think it is suggested that Eboue was put on the table by our sides. Seems we made an offer, that was closest to the buy out clause. That could be 12m, as it is the closest/highest figure to the 25m. And in return possibly, they asked for Eboue. Strange comments made by their club, to say the least. And Melo really can’t be that much more valued than Eboue. He’s a great right back and a pretty decent RM.
By: Ateeb on July 4, 2009
at 5:20 pm
Poliziano re: Owen – That’s more than I would have thought, still it would be interesting to see a breakdown of the goals and who they were against.
By: Marc on July 4, 2009
at 5:20 pm
oneofus u cant be srious. Denilson n Song to keep Melo out of the first team
some good standup comedy going on
By: Oiled Bum Hole on July 4, 2009
at 5:22 pm
If we are in negotiations with Fiorentina over Melo Wenger will be furious that they have disclosed our interest.
By: Marc on July 4, 2009
at 5:22 pm
SG, this official statement from Fiorentina, unless it’s a well-exectuted hoax, is a pretty good indication that we’ve at least shown an interest.
I normally hold back on transfer rumours as well, but I think Fiorentina just carried Melo across the threshold into my Credibility Hut.
-
Marc,
I hear you, but he has come from the Dutch league, so certain amount of acclimatisation’s going to be needed.
I think our defence was holding up fine until four players went and got injured at the end of the season.
By: OneOfUs on July 4, 2009
at 5:23 pm
Shame you always latch on to the complete twats who post here JonJon. Oiled bumhole indeed.
Crete was excellent thank you, Maria. What were you upto in the States?
If you are anything like me it will take time to get back onto the poace here. I have already had Ateeb and Shotta on at me for not tearing into JonJon like a rabid attack dog. Still you are young and more adaptive I expect.
Mind you Ateeb has been given a handicap by Yogi, you can take the piss out of him now and it takes him an hour to respond. He must sit there beating the keyboard with his fists. How are you Ateeb, old chap?
By: Consolsbob on July 4, 2009
at 5:23 pm
its the summer shotta….its transfer window time….this happens every year….
let the people speculate….theres nothing wrong with that…its what we do as fans….
we talk about who may be going and who may be arriving
and some of you have gotta admit its exciting isnt it???
kick back mate and enjoy the ride…theres nothing else to do….let your hair down..relax…
at least we may be signing someone…look at the mancs there selling all theres…
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 5:23 pm
I’ll check back in an hour to see if he replies.
By: Consolsbob on July 4, 2009
at 5:24 pm
You think Wenger selects his team according to the cost of the players, rather than according to their ability?
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 5:26 pm
i know what you mean consolsbob…and thats probably why i get so much shit sometimes…
but everyone deserves a say and if i dont agree with something i’ll say..if i agree with something i”ll say….
sometimes i agree with frank, ole, you etc…
this time i happen to agree with oiled bum hole… if melo signs he wont be sat on the bench…not if we are paying alot of money and swapping eboue
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 5:28 pm
Muppet, I don’t think it’s Arsenal that have proposed the swap deal, I think Fiorentina are suggesting it. I also think they’ve got a cheek because Arsenal have obviously been interested for a while. Fiorentina paid 8m Euro for him 1 year ago and then get him to sign a contract extension with a buy out clause of 25m just to try to make money and take another player in exchange. He was not well advised by his agent because if he really wants to move these games may just backfire and he’ll end up staying where he is. I also suspect Fiorentina have made this public to try to put pressure on Arsenal to do the deal. Melo was not that impressive during the confederations cup to justify such a huge hike in his valuation.
By: Passenal on July 4, 2009
at 5:28 pm
Sky are claiming that Arsenal have offered Eboue as part of the deal, but the translation on goal.com says:
““Fiorentina, in turn, has proposed that the clubs reduce the amount of this clause by entering into negotiations for the right back Eboue.”
Huh ?
By: Muppet on July 4, 2009
at 5:28 pm
OneOfUs – Of course it will take time to adjust but we have him nice and early for pre season. Also the best way to learn something is to try it. As for injuries of course they don’t help but the partnership of Gallas and Toure is not consistant. It can be excellent but they do not seem to be able to keep this level over the course of a season.
By: Marc on July 4, 2009
at 5:28 pm
25 million Euros is over £21 million pounds. Wenger is never going to spend that money on Melo, I promise you.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 5:30 pm
Passenal,
Yes. I think you are correct. If this is the case, then this could become even more protracted if Wenger does not want to sell Eboue.
By: Muppet on July 4, 2009
at 5:30 pm
You are such a fucking winker, JonJon
By: Frank on July 4, 2009
at 5:31 pm
Poliziano – I don’t think that Wenger would pay a lot of money for a CB without rating him. We got Campbell on a free and Gallas as part of the Cashley transfer. Wenger has not come close to spending that sort of money on a CB before.
By: Marc on July 4, 2009
at 5:31 pm
.
Happy 4th of July to my fellow Americans.
G4E
By: Gunner4Ever on July 4, 2009
at 5:32 pm
Splitters!
By: Frank on July 4, 2009
at 5:34 pm
gimme a break frank….you gotta admit if im not insulted im easy to blog with…just because you may not agree with me doesnt mean im any of the things you say i am…
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 5:35 pm
PZ cost is normaly determined by quality and ability
and the truth is DM is our weakest link
if u sign a better player u wld try and integrate them in the team ASAP
denilson’s time would come. he aint ready yet
By: Oiled Bum Hole on July 4, 2009
at 5:35 pm
I had a great time Bob……i was at the beach every other day….amazing….and no i haven’t readjusted to the UK yet but am getting there!!!
By: Maria on July 4, 2009
at 5:35 pm
Of course Wenger “rates” Vermaelen; but he won’t play him just because he payed a lot for him.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 5:35 pm
he wld never spend that money PZ that is why eboue is used as a low calorie sweetener
By: Oiled Bum Hole on July 4, 2009
at 5:36 pm
Denilson would probably cost £25-30 million.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 5:36 pm
JonJon
To say we played 451 because AW didn’t trust Denilson or Song doesn’t really hold up.
Firstly AW often plays 451 in away legs of CL and difficult prem games like ManU away.
Secondly we switched to 451 in the league after we had the injuries in defense with Fabianski, Gibbs and silvestre coming in.
It was obviously the defense he didn’t trust.
By: JohnN on July 4, 2009
at 5:36 pm
You are a winker, JonJon. It is plain for all to see.
By: Frank on July 4, 2009
at 5:37 pm
if u spk eyetie this is the statement from viola (fiorentina) website
Il Direttore Sportivo della Fiorentina, Pantaleo Corvino nello smentire le voci di queste ultime ore di mercato, che vedono il calciatore Felipe Melo certo ad altri club e che riportano eventuali incontri per definire la cessione del calciatore precisa che:
1. – Qualora il calciatore avesse già raggiunto un accordo per suo conto con un qualsiasi Club, la clausola rescissoria fissata con il calciatore stesso a 25 milioni di euro, non contempla eventuali contropartite tecniche, a meno che non siano di gradimento dell’ACF Fiorentina.
2. -Il Direttore Sportivo precisa inoltre che l’Arsenal FC è l’unico Club che si è avvicinato alla cifra stabilità per la clausola rescissoria.
3. – La Fiorentina ha a sua volta proposto alla suddetta società di ridurre il corrispettivo della clausola rescissoria, inserendo nella trattativa il terzino destro Eboue.
By: Oiled Bum Hole on July 4, 2009
at 5:38 pm
Muppet I also suspect Fiorentina have wanted Eboue all along, hence his agent’s comments about only leaving Arsenal for a big club and not Fiorentina or Roma which are ‘not big clubs’. They are probably trying to use Arsenal’s interest in Melo to get paid and get Eboue for free – who do they think we are Real Madrid? It was probably Melo’s agent who released the Juve story to try to force Arsenal’s hand.
By: Passenal on July 4, 2009
at 5:39 pm
Poliziano – While I think that the criticism of Denilson is grossly unfair and he is one of the most under rated players in the league, if you think that he is worth £25 – £30 million you are bonkers.
By: Marc on July 4, 2009
at 5:39 pm
Marc,
It’s hard to say for sure, but I think a few of the problems last season could be put down to other factors apart from Toure and Gallas’s suitability as a CB partnership…
Like the captaincy fiasco in November…lack of form throughout the team… and Toure’s malaria trouble in the summer.
Once they’d got all this behind them, I though that our back-line was quite impenetrable (unlike Oiled Bum Hole’s Bum Hole) from December, right up to April, when we suffered all those injuries at the same time.
I agree that we definitely needed some back-up though, but, To my mind, Vermaelen isn’t going to be a first choice until the ACN, unless there’s an injury or something.
By: OneOfUs on July 4, 2009
at 5:41 pm
Bob,
Lol, you laught at my misery? It gets really frustrating sometimes. Especially, when the troll is really there for the taking. You must know me by now, and could well understand it’s not something easy to deal with.
No one is suggesting that we would pay 25m for Melo. The club said Arsenal’s valuation is the closest. Which frankly speaking couldn’t be more than 12-13m.
I can never see Arsene buying an unproven player like Melo for 25m, if he wouldn’t budge on the proposed 15m for Alonso, anyone in his right mind could see that 25m, is total bullsh**. Heck we could get so many better players for that amount of money.
By: Ateeb on July 4, 2009
at 5:42 pm
Well, Marc, he might be worth a bit more, but you have to remember that players of his sort rarely attract the very highest prices.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 5:43 pm
i get you frank
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 5:46 pm
OneOfUs – Of course there were other factors last season but I think that Vermaelen will be in the defence sooner than you realise. At least there’s not to long to wait now!
By: Marc on July 4, 2009
at 5:47 pm
den is worth 3 chappatis 5 poppadums and a Lamb bhuna
By: Oiled Bum Hole on July 4, 2009
at 5:47 pm
We’ve caught you winking twice on this site today, JonJon. Don’t you think thats enough now?
By: Frank on July 4, 2009
at 5:47 pm
Real Madrid bought Diarra for £20 million. Wenger clearly rated Denilson above Diarra, and Denilson is of course younger. So perhaps you are right; perhaps I have underestimated Denilson’s value.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 5:47 pm
Poliziano – Are you using the Benitez scale when you value Denilson?
By: Marc on July 4, 2009
at 5:49 pm
If Melo is worth 25m, at 25 years of age, than Denilson will obviously be valued more, because he is younger, and is technically far superior to him. Moreover there are absolutely very few midfielders, who are playing at a big club at such a young age. That speaks volume about his abilities. The only other player that springs to my mind is, Benzema who went for 35m, so a 25m value is justified, although 30 seems the right price for Denilson.
By: Ateeb on July 4, 2009
at 5:49 pm
a cobra beer can be thrown in to sweeten the deal….. sorry to flush down the meal
By: Oiled Bum Hole on July 4, 2009
at 5:50 pm
Marc,
What are you talking about? We are keeping the present market conditions when coming up with Denilson’s valuation. Johnson cost 17m, you don’t think Denilson is a better player?
Dani Alves, was valued at 30m, last season as a RB. It is only fair that Denilson be valued closer to him, although Dani has reached his peak, and Denilson is far off it, yet so good.
By: Ateeb on July 4, 2009
at 5:53 pm
Ateeb – Who said Melo was worth 25 million euros?
By: Marc on July 4, 2009
at 5:53 pm
denilson 30mil??? you mean our denilson????
nah…
sorry frank…. no more winks… i promise…
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 5:54 pm
JonJon is a modern-day Diogenes – a shameless cynic who – er – winks in public.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 5:54 pm
Ateeb – There are to many people paying way over the odds for to many players. This is one of the reaspons Wenger is such a good manager. ManU paid £15 – £18 million for Anderson. Do you think that this was value for money?
By: Marc on July 4, 2009
at 5:55 pm
Marc,
2 weeks! I can’t wait.
-
Ateeb + PZ,
What about Denilson’s buy-out clause. Looking at the market, I’d estimate it at 40 million.
By: OneOfUs on July 4, 2009
at 5:55 pm
Real Madrid supposedly made a £30 million offer for Alonso, and Denilson as we all know is far better.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 5:57 pm
denilson has had one year in the 1st team…hasnt won any trophies and hasnt featured for his senior national side yet….he didnt even stand out…
im sorry…but no player who hasnt featured for their national side alone is worth more than 30mil…. no player
you must be thinking about championship manager or armchair manager or manchester city manager if you think denilson is worth 30mil
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 5:57 pm
wow so denilson is worth like £40m then
he would be one of the most expensive bench warmers of all time next season
By: Oiled Bum Hole on July 4, 2009
at 5:59 pm
Does anyone speak babelfish?
The Sport Director of the Fiorentina, Pantaleo Corvino in refuting the voices of these last hours of market, that they see the soccer player Felipe sure Melo to other clubs and that they bring back eventual encounter in order to define the cession of the precise soccer player who: 1. – In case the soccer player had already caught up an agreement for its account with a any Club, the fixed rescissoria clause with the same soccer player to 25 million euro, does not contemplate eventual contropartite technical, less than they are not than approval of the ACF Fiorentina. 2. – Precise the Sport Director moreover that Arsenal FC is the only Club that has approached the figure stability for the rescissoria clause. 3. – The Fiorentina has in its turn proposed to the aforesaid society to reduce the corrispettivo of the rescissoria clause, inserting in the negotiation terzino the skillful Eboue.
By: GoonerGerry on July 4, 2009
at 6:00 pm
Poli @ 5:305pm – You hit the nail on the head; “25 million Euros is over £21 million pounds. Wenger is never going to spend that money on Melo….” . The Brain has done a scouting report on Melo at http://arsenalcolumn.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/scouting-report-felipe-melo-brazil/
Apparently he is not as good as the youtube buy-buy generation would suggest. The Brain valued him at only £10m.
By: shotta-gunna on July 4, 2009
at 6:01 pm
Melo for £25m??? Hahaha! You gotta love the fellas at Fiorentina… Trying to get the most for their player. He’ll probably end up at Juve anyways….
Eboue leaving would mean we havent got any real RB cover as well…
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 6:03 pm
Denilson is worth £50m as well, obviously… Stands to reason….
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 6:03 pm
And thus spoke the brain.
Marc,
Well, if Anderson was valued at 18m, and couldn’t get games ahead of the mid-table destined players like Carrick and Fletcher, don’t you think 30m is a fair value for Denilson? Provided that he played 30+ games for the club that is ranked in the top 4 of Europe?
What are you talking about JJ? Trophies and player’s valuation has no link.
Kaka hasn’t won shit in 3-4 years, also didn’t play CL football last year. And he’s 27 years old. If he is worth 56m, it’s only fair that Denilson be atleast 30 at the moment. BUt no gurantees at the end of next year, when we’ve won the league and possibly the CL. I think he’d be worth the buy out clause that is suggested above.
What you tryna say JJ?
By: Ateeb on July 4, 2009
at 6:07 pm
gallas aint a bad FB spike…
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 6:07 pm
Any player is worth what ever another team is prepared to pay…. Kaka has been one of the biggest hyped players for a few years now, CRonnie aslo now, hence the humoungous fees, as well as REal’s desire to act like spoilt brats on a toy shopping spree….
DEnilson would maybe fetch £10m IF he was sold, which he wont be…. After next season, that fee will most likely go up, just an opinion, but I like the £30m valuations tho!
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 6:10 pm
I think Spike and Oiled Bum Hole would go together well.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 6:13 pm
max for den is £6m imo
By: Oiled Bum Hole on July 4, 2009
at 6:14 pm
kaka is a world player of the year ateeb…a mantle of the brazilian national side….who arent shit by the way….and has played a leading role in winning that little trophy they call…what was it now…oh yeah CL… all the way back in the early footballing days of 2007
playing in an ageing team lead to a dip in form but the mans talent is unquestionable…..
denilson was a mantle of a team that spent the whole season passing it sideways and finishing 19points behind their target…
but yeah denilsons worth the same as kaka all day long…..
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 6:14 pm
true PZ some serious violation can go on there
By: Oiled Bum Hole on July 4, 2009
at 6:15 pm
shotta
when wenger gets rid of him you will say arsene did the right thing your the follower you have an a opinion of a plank of wood, stop copying others on this blog.
go to twitter if you wanna follow people#
if he goes he goes stop crying.
i will get over it i have seen many go that i did’nt want to go but i must say they were world class.
By: kirby on July 4, 2009
at 6:17 pm
Fuck off Polliz;
Dont lump me with some one, just coz I dont go along with your deluded valuations
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 6:18 pm
hi kirby
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 6:19 pm
Jon Jon,
It’s been 2-3 seasons since Milan won anything. Ronaldo was the world player of the year, this season. So was ronaldinhio not so long ago? And you saying that wasn’t good enough to help them secure 4th spot in Italy? Can’t really be that good than, and since when has football become a TEAM GAME to you, Jon Jon? Oh, it’s just a team game in Kaka’s game but not in Denilson’s case? I think Arsenal had more first team players out than Milan might have had in 2-3 seasons put together.
I didn’t say Denilson is worth the same as Kaka, I valued him at 30, given that Anderson cost 18m, Alnoso valued at 30 and Johnson at 17m.“
By: Ateeb on July 4, 2009
at 6:22 pm
poliziano you can’t base stats to say denilson is better then alonso for one season especially.#
if you was having banter with a liverpool fan and was saying that then fine but we are all arsenal here and that talk is just bollocks, you dont need to big our players up we know they are great
but dont be unrealistic!!!
i’m starting to see jon jon that not many on here know anything about gameplay and its quite scary.
By: kirby on July 4, 2009
at 6:23 pm
I’m not lumping anyone, Spike. I just thought you two would be compatible. OBH seems to agree, although a man of his experience could probably accommodate more than a Spike.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 6:23 pm
Given the amount United paid for Anderson, then following that logic, Denilson is indeed worth more than the £15m transfer fee
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 6:23 pm
you good jon jon?
By: kirby on July 4, 2009
at 6:24 pm
Poliz;
That goes without saying…. But you said it a lot better than I could!
I just found the thought of me and an oiled bum hole kinda repulsice…
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 6:25 pm
spike in oiled bum hole
By: Oiled Bum Hole on July 4, 2009
at 6:26 pm
nope
i wouldnt value denilson at more than 10….
if he was that good….we would of finished closer than we did to the title… but the fact we finshed 19 points off tells me theres certain members of the team that aint good enough yet…..
if he was that good he’d be playing for brazil but he aint….something tells me dunga knows abit more than you….
its utter delusionment and utter shit to say denilson is worth more than 10mil…..
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 6:27 pm
Kirby,
“poliziano you can’t base stats to say denilson is better then alonso for one season especially.#”
Why not? Real Madris just made 96m for a player based purely on his stats. He scored around 50-60 goals in the last 2 season. Half of them from free kicks, and penalties. Yet, just because of the stats, he was valued so high. Why shouldn’t we value our own player high, based on stats? Are you an Arsenal supporter? Eh? You don’t like when we value our players according to the market value.
15m for Denilson? You must be joking.
By: Ateeb on July 4, 2009
at 6:28 pm
yeah mate…what you reckon about this melo geezer….
fancy it???
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 6:29 pm
Oiled bum hole;
Leave me out of your..erm, you know…
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 6:30 pm
Ateeb i would pay 3 chapattis, 5 poppadums and a lamb bhuna for denilson
if arsenal wish they can include a cobra beer
By: Oiled Bum Hole on July 4, 2009
at 6:31 pm
Melo aint worth the £21m Fiorentina are apparantly asking, but thats their valuation, each t their own… They are probably using us to get Juve to stump up…
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 6:31 pm
how about now spike?
By: Well Oiled Bum Hole on July 4, 2009
at 6:31 pm
Why do you oil your bumhole anyway? To stop it squeaking?
By: Frank on July 4, 2009
at 6:33 pm
“if he was that good he’d be playing for brazil but he aint….something tells me dunga knows abit more than you….”
Dunga was playing alot of other players that wouldn’t make the bench at Arsenal. And he chose Gilberto and Melo, over Denilson. And we all know, who is better NOW, given that Arsene sold Gilberto.
By: Ateeb on July 4, 2009
at 6:33 pm
Well… Now you’re talking.
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 6:33 pm
its cos im very accomodating as a person frank
By: Well Oiled Bum Hole on July 4, 2009
at 6:34 pm
look…..
to put it simply kaka and ronaldo are in the world class bracket…..
denilson isnt even regarded as europes hottest properties…..only some small sections of the arsenal support reckon he is….
he has talent or arsene wouldnt pick him but he is nowhere near the stage where we can say denilsons worth more than 10 mil……and we’d be lucky to get that….if hes that good why arent juve after him instead of melo…if he was that much of a starlet why arent madrid coming in for him????? doesnt take a rocket scientist does it????
to say 30mil is utter tosh….you need sectioning…
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 6:35 pm
that is not why ronaldo was sold! ateeb watch football? learn that free kicks are not a given and he seems to be able to score from all over and with his head, thats football you should be pleased he has gone, its better for us.
yeah 15 seems ok for in a few years time he isn’t worth that yet.
By: kirby on July 4, 2009
at 6:35 pm
I can see that it must be very embarassing to have a squeak coming out of your arse everywhere you go. Do you use All-in-1?
By: Frank on July 4, 2009
at 6:36 pm
Players will always create arguments among fans… Gilberto used to get a lot of stick from certain Gooners, they couldnt see what he gave the team an the great job he did.
Denilson and Song are 2 more that split opinions…
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 6:36 pm
so fiorentina have quoted 25m euros to execute denilsong
italians??? i reckon we could ge sm1 to kill em for less locally
By: Well Oiled Bum Hole on July 4, 2009
at 6:37 pm
jonJon,
Juve isn’t after him, because they know we won’t sell him. And I can’t argue with you. To me our players are valued alot more than players from other clubs. Maybe there is the difference between you and me.
Kirby,
Can’t argue with you too. Because frankly, I’ve always believed that Ronaldo was bought by Madrid because of the stats. And if stats are a criteria, than Denilson was one of the best midfielders in the EPL. Take Ronaldo’s stats out, and you’d be left with a diving hoax who loves to throw a tantrum. But we will always see things differently.
By: Ateeb on July 4, 2009
at 6:40 pm
fine ateeb. after all its just opinion.
By: kirby on July 4, 2009
at 6:46 pm
Marc
Owen Prem League (only figures)
08/9
Appearances 28
Total minutes 1,894 (55% of full season)
Goals 8
Assists 0
07/08 (PL only)
Appearances 29
Minutes 2,177 (64%)
Goals 11
Assists 0
So so results. But you need to remember that Newcastle have an appallingly bad midfield and he got few chances.
A better measure is his shooting accuracy
08/9 Attempts on goal (28) Goals 8 = .286%
07/8 Attempts on goal (47) Goals 11 = .234%
This is right up with the best (Ronaldo/Torres)
RvP and Ade were in the mid to high teens on this measure. Ade – best at Arsenal over the last 3 years was .19%
Re Melo
Looks like:
a. Juve are interested and have tapped up his agent with an offer, but have not offered enough to Fiorentina
b. Fiorentina prefer to deal with Arsenal and want Eboue
c. Arsenal have not offered enough in Fiorentina’s eyes – cash only deal (whether they want to sell Eboue is unknown).
This interest means that AW wants to play 4231 more often this season with rotation between Melo/Denilson/Song as the options or maybe Melo/Denilson/Nasri for the 2 DM/Deep playmakers.
If he doesn’t get Melo then Denilson/Song/Nasri look to be the options for this formation. 442 or 433 for normal home matches.
By: jbh on July 4, 2009
at 6:47 pm
Either way I don’t think Denilson is going anywhere. Barcelona asked about him a year ago and AW rebuffed them and extended his contract.
By: jbh on July 4, 2009
at 6:49 pm
melo will partner cesc….
rosicky and aa will take the wide roles and robin and bendtner/dudu will be strikers….
thats in a 442
if we switch to a 4231 melo and cesc will be the two
aa rosicky and robin will take the three and bendtner/dudu uptop….
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 7:00 pm
It’s funny how different people interpret things. My view was that just because ManU paid £15 million (or whatever) for Anderson doesn’t make him worth that. Other people take the view that if he is worth that much Denilson is worth £25 million plus. The thing to remember is just because someone is willing, or foolish enough to pay a certain amount for an item doesn’t make it worth that much. The housing market is a fantastic example.
By: Marc on July 4, 2009
at 7:03 pm
good point marc!
By: kirby on July 4, 2009
at 7:14 pm
I’ll tell you one good way to recognize when a club has payed too much for a player: look out for the ones that spend the weeks following a transfer trying to persuade the public that the player was worth the outlay.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 7:23 pm
No way £25m for Melo!!!!! No fooking way Muamba is better and we let him go this article in goal.com must be a wind up, or Fiorentina are trying to engineer a move for him.
By: silver gunner on July 4, 2009
at 7:27 pm
Muamba???
Haha! Thats a good one. I really hoped he’d come good at Arsenal and was disappointed when he was sold. However, AW has been proved right in his judgement. Muamba is average and has found his niche at Bolton, where he isnt even a sure starter…
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 7:45 pm
Silver Gunner.
It is not an article on goal.com, it is a statement from on the Fiorentina website. Here:
http://it.violachannel.tv/dettaglio-ultimora/items/comunicato-stampa.2220.html
It is not £25 million, it is €25 million euros, which is about £21.4 million.
Besides, they are still taking the piss, even at that amount. If our evaluation of Eboue is about €12 million, we should pay them no more than about €7 million in my view.
By: Muppet on July 4, 2009
at 7:49 pm
What the fuck has happened to this place? Used to be a cerebral debate interspersed with some excellent surrealist humour. Now I read that endless childish nonsense on the latest invented tabloid transfer gossip is “what fans do”. Jesus Christ.
Stop feeding the trolls folks.
By: steww on July 4, 2009
at 7:50 pm
Muppet;
I make you right. Whether we are actually interested in Melo or not, his club’s valuation is way too high. The statement on Fiorentina’s website is a strange one though. Making it public about our supposed interest…?
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 7:54 pm
Steww,
If you are referring to the Melo story, this is not speculation. There is a statement on the Fiorentina website. See 7.49 post.
By: Muppet on July 4, 2009
at 7:55 pm
Spike,
No, it’s not strange at all. It’s a deliberate announcement to other would be suitors for Melo services that the asking price is €25 million euros and if Arsenal start to stall in the negotiating process, then they will just accept any other incoming bids that match that figure.
By: Muppet on July 4, 2009
at 7:57 pm
Maybe strange was the wrong word there! But we can’t be THAT interested, or we’d have done a deal. Them advertising our interest could be to force our hand or get others interested.
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 8:01 pm
Kirby-doomer and your ilk trolling at ACLF, you are still playing the treacherous two-face game; one moment a supporter, the next minute eager to stab the team and the manager in the back.
Let me share with you the results of cold hard logic. Wenger will not sell Ade this year, unless the player is not willing to stay. Wenger is an economist and an engineer by training and as a practicing football manager he is absolutely ruthless about the risks and rewards of a footballer. The rewards of retaining Adebayor far outweigh the risks. Of all the out and out strikers in the squad (I don’t regard RVP as in the same category):
Proven goal scorer
Best header
Best first touch
Fastest, most explosive
Best with back-to-the-goal
Best in one-ones with defenders
Wenger knows with Ade he has the best chance of scoring the goals necessary to win the title.
Wenger knows his job is to get the best out of Ade and not vice-versa.
Wenger knows that if he should sell Ade and fail to win the title, the very vipers who demanded that Ade be sold would be the first to viciously turn on him and blame him for his inability to get the best out of his players (Worse if Ade goes elsewhere and is as prolific as he was in 07-08).
The worst that could happen for Wenger is Ade has a relatively mediocre season which causes his sell-on value to decline. Every other alternative is still a plus.
One think Wenger can be sure of is that you Kirby-doomer and your pals, such as JJ, will do everything possible to undermine Wenger and the team in the 09-10 campaign (I expect you to boo and jeer Ade if and when he comes to play) but then be 1st on the bandwaggon during the championship motorcade.
See, I have set out my stall for everyone on ACLF to see. I am sure, like a viper, you will be hiding waiting to strike when the opportunity arises.
By: shotta-gunna on July 4, 2009
at 8:06 pm
Spkie my point exactly Muamba and Melo are in the same class in my opion and there is no way Melo is worth €25 m corrected sorry Muppet.
We had Gilbert, Diarra, Flamini and if we get Melo it will be like an act of desperation and acknlowdgement that we have a substandard defensive midfield.
By: silver gunner on July 4, 2009
at 8:06 pm
I have no idea how good, or otherwise, Melo is as I havent seen him play (not even in the Confed Cup)… But obviously he is much better than what we have, coz he doesnt play for Arsenal…
Shotta;
You forgot Ade’s workrate, that for me, is one of his key attributes. If he is fully fit next season and raring to go, he can terrorise opposition defences once again… Which is nice
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 8:10 pm
Silver Gunner,
No problem. As I said, even at €25 million they are taking the piss.
As for your second point, I don’t believe that you can say that if we get Melo it’s an acknowledgement we have a substandard midfield. That’s what the doomers will say ! I think it might be an admission that we need a bit more experience at the top top level in the defensive midfield position, but that’s all.
By: Muppet on July 4, 2009
at 8:12 pm
Or its simply squad re-inforcement… We lost 3 central midfielders (did anyone look down the back of the sofa?) so signing 1 would be logical.
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 8:17 pm
Is that the top top level, or the top top top level?
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 8:19 pm
I think it’s an admission that if Denilson gets injured while Song is at the ANC, there will be nobody to replace him.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 8:20 pm
The tippity top top toppest level I think…
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 8:22 pm
The top top top level sounds good.
By: Muppet on July 4, 2009
at 8:23 pm
Song played 48 games last season, and Denilson played 51. That’s a lot of games, especially for such young men. 99 games divided by three would still be more than Melo played last season, and only one less than the most he has ever played.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 8:24 pm
Have we signed Ribery yet? We have bid £30m and Bendtner… I saw it.
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 8:28 pm
Can we write top^3?
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 8:29 pm
I don’t think Ribery could add anything to our team.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 8:30 pm
That would be 27 tops. Any significance ?
By: Muppet on July 4, 2009
at 8:31 pm
Well our good looks quotient would drop dramatically…
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 8:32 pm
Actually… no.. flawed maths.. it would just be top^3.
By: Muppet on July 4, 2009
at 8:32 pm
Vermaelen’s hot. If we had Ribery, we’d be back to the same level we were at at the end of the season.
27? So top=3?
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 8:34 pm
A double at there. I like to avoid them.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 8:35 pm
that was actually a very well put comment shotta
good to read..interesting point of view but very very valid….
the only thing that i will disagree with you on this that i never undermine wenger….how can i… i dont know him personally….ade on the other hand is a perfect xample of undermining wenger but you defend him so go figure……
i dont go to the home games i go to the away ones…not all of them but alot of them…
and one thing you can be sure of is that i give 200% when im supporting this team…i dont stop
my job is to give the opposition players and the ref as much shit as possible and make sure i sing louder than the piece of shit sat singing the different song to me in the different colour shirt….
my team is better than his…were are better fans…we have better songs…. and im going to make sure him and all his mates know it…
you dont know me shotta…i speak my mind on the blogs…i say it as it is….but if you went to a game with me you’d probably be my best pal….
you see what gets me…is that alot of you…who coincidentally have never been to an arsenal game….which is no disrespect…all fans cant get to games…but their still fans…. call fans like me…who do go to arsenal games and have done all my life….a troll and a doomer and such because i tell you what i see when i see adebayor play live….alot of you have never seen him play live…so how can you comment on it???
see alot of fans like me and kirby…who you all call names and try poke fun at…have been investing in arsenal by going to the games for many years….helping to pay the players wages and such…if got a collection of shirts programmes posters and such going back 25years…. yet the ones who take the piss out of me and kirby are the ones that probably own one shirt they bought on the cheap from a stall…if they even own a shirt at all….. supported arsenal for 5 mins and have never invested anything into the club other than their time on here and they try tell us…the fans who do actually contribute something or have contributed something in the past… how to support the team…
now dont get me wrong…ive got nothing against overseas gunners who have only been gooners two minutes..as long as they are fans then that fine with me….but dont try to tell the people that have spent thousands and thousands of pounds..helping to keep the club afloat…watching arsenal over the years and years…how to support the club….and if they dont do it their way then they arent good fans…support has gone bad and they are doomers….
its bullshit and its laughable….it just makes those fans judge you back and thats how all this D&G and AKB bollox started and your fucking up the club…
arsenal has been passed on to me through blood…from generation to generation….i would still be an arsenal fan if we were in the conference league….whereas alot of you would of never heard of arsenal if they were in the conference league….
ive supported this club the same way for years…ive speculated, ive said players werent good enough ive laughed and ive cried and ive always sang at games and weve always won a trophy or two….
and i’ll always be the same….even if we were relegated id follow this team into the depths of hell if i had to….
some of you would forget about us tomorrow….
so dont judge me…you have no right…. not one….
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 8:36 pm
Typical doomer’s rant.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 8:40 pm
That was unfair Poliz;
Obviously JJ feels a lot for Arsenal (if he doesnt he’s doin a bloomin great impression) I have seen a lot of negativity expressed on blogs, a helluva lot and although I dont agree with what JJ says, I wouldn’t call him a Doomer…
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 8:44 pm
But then again, I’m probably classed and pigeon holed as one!
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 8:44 pm
A stalker often feels a lot for his victim.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 8:47 pm
Thats very true….
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 8:48 pm
I’d describe you as a mongrel, Spike. One of your parents must have been a doomer.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 8:49 pm
Must be my mum, miserable cow she is…
Only joking Mama! Love you really!
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 8:50 pm
Probably why I get called deluded, rose tinted and AKB on other sites…
No wonder Im a bit schzitzo
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 8:54 pm
A sort of footballing bisexual, mistrusted by heterosexuals, hated by homosexuals.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 8:55 pm
Do you hate me Poliz?
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 8:56 pm
I think you’ve got your preferences confused.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 8:58 pm
Only checking! Thanks for, erm, not hating me!
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 9:03 pm
Getting back to Arsenal. I think its great that we have signed up a lot of our younger players. The future of the club is sooo good, I seriously can hardly wait to see the likes of Ramsey, Wilshire, Gibbs, as well as a few other youth teamers playing regularly in the 1st team.
I know its veru rare for more than 1 or 2 to come thru, but I really think we could get 5 or 6 that make it at Arsenal; Lansbury, JET, Bartley, Sunu, Coquelin, Watt, Murphy all look great talents and hopefully most of them will get a chance in the carling Cup.
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 9:08 pm
thats the thing spike…i dont always agree with you but i think your great to blog with and id never label you……i could have a debate with you tonight that could go on for days and we’d never settle it but id never question your loyalty….your a fan and that makes you my brother/sister and thats what binds us
its the pricks that have got their heads so far up their arses they think they cant see the shit from the shite…they are in a minority and they aint doing anything to improve that..
its those people who are causing negativity around the club…they are dividing the fans and fucking us up….
they dont support..they disprupt…
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 9:14 pm
Back tracking…….?
By: Ateeb on July 4, 2009
at 9:14 pm
“i could have a debate with you tonight that could go on for days and we’d never settle it but id never question your loyalty”
Hold on a sec. DAYS? DAYS? Please spare us from this intellectual discussion that both of you are going to have. Change your e-mail id’s and do it on msn or whatever you use. But please don’t make us go through it. I beg you, doomers, not a doomer discussion that would last for days. That’s like…..can’t come up with any comparisons. It’s a new thing, and it will set the benchmarks for the worst debate ever, from here on in.
By: Ateeb on July 4, 2009
at 9:18 pm
So who here has seen Arsenal play in real life then?
By: no worries on July 4, 2009
at 9:19 pm
Only you.
By: Ateeb on July 4, 2009
at 9:21 pm
Ateeb;
Calling me a Doomer is very sad. You have no idea, please refrain from casting aspersions on me.
Thanks awfully.
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 9:22 pm
ateeb eh???
i really am begining to think you are still in school….
see now polly is different..polly is actually quite funny when he relaxes and stops critisisng…
so is only a tit some of the time.. a part time tit
your a full time tit…
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 9:23 pm
How do you know that Ateeb?
Are you speaking for everyone?
By: no worries on July 4, 2009
at 9:24 pm
Jon Jon,
To borrow from your own posts.
“don’t divide us and fuck us up”.
Polly could you please keep your relax and uncritical mode “on” all the time.
Spike, having a discussion that would last for days with JonJon would make u a doomer. No one in his right mind would do that.
By: Ateeb on July 4, 2009
at 9:27 pm
Whats your point no worries?
At the moment half the people who go to the emirates aint half as passionate as thousands watching in the pubs/online.
By: dukegoonem on July 4, 2009
at 9:28 pm
I am speaking for everyone. No one has ever seen arsenal play for real, except you. That gives you the right to slate the team as much as you want. Go ahead, we await your views on AFC.
By: Ateeb on July 4, 2009
at 9:29 pm
Hi dukegoonem. just asking who goes to watch Arsenal. You don’t then?
By: no worries on July 4, 2009
at 9:30 pm
er yes when i can, i did go to a few games last season and some of the time been fairly disappointed with the passion from our fans.
By: dukegoonem on July 4, 2009
at 9:33 pm
duke goonem
do you remember highbury???? it wasnt called the library for fuck all
so whats your point???
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 9:33 pm
Ateeb;
I am not sure I could have a debate with anyone for days on end!
But I will chat about things I am interested in with almost anyone, sometimes with people who have a completely different perspective than me.
Its like when I read the Daily mail (right wing newspaper) I am vehemently opposed to almost all its content, yet read it occasionally. Don’t make me a Tory, or right wing.
Unless someone is calling a c*nt etc then I’m up for discussions with everyone.
Obviously you arent of the same disposition, which is your perogative and fair play to you for sticking to your Guns.
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 9:33 pm
I have been really disapointed with some of our support at home games too DukeG. I am sure for some of em, the loudest noise they have made is when they are asking for a beer at half time, or booing Bendy, Ade, Eboue…
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 9:41 pm
ateeb and no one in their right mind who supports the club from thousands of miles away and has done for 5 minutes…would tell someone who has invested their entire life into supporting arsenal how to support….
but you do it….
its like starting a new job as a trainee and telling the senior member of staff to fuck off and do it their way….
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 9:42 pm
JonJon…and who called it the library, fukin yids thats who. i been to highbury plenty of times and the atmosphere was great.
By: dukegoonem on July 4, 2009
at 9:42 pm
at what end duke???
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 9:48 pm
dukegoonem.
I know what you mean in the old days it was sort of tribal, you supported your local team if you was a scouser you supported Liverpool or Everton.
In this day and age it has been diluted down and it’s more like going to the theatre.
There is a hunger from the biggest clubs for more monies so the clubs have taken the brands global and brought in a mix of fans who don’t understand each other.
In the old days supporters used to turn up week in week out stand outside in the rain and spend all there hard erned on Arsenal, they would moan like shit, but turn up every week.
Now we have supporters from other countries who have never contributed a bean to the funds of Arsenal telling supporters of 50 plus years how to support the club.
The thing is Arsenal need the money from the new support, but if it wasn’t for the older support Arsenal would not exist.
The answer ??
By: no worries on July 4, 2009
at 9:51 pm
north bank or the clock end, have to say i did get tickets to the east stand once and it was poor. i hate the main stands..fukin boring as shit.
By: dukegoonem on July 4, 2009
at 9:52 pm
Not exactly true about tribal, no worries. In the old days fans would go to one teams home game 1 week and another teams home game the next (when their fav team was away).
By: Steve on July 4, 2009
at 9:55 pm
Agree no worries. At the emirates a fair few of the fans are foriegn now and how many dont actually speak english let alone be able to do an impression of shirly bassey.
By: dukegoonem on July 4, 2009
at 9:55 pm
Steve yes you are correct to an extent, I used to go to Upton Park sometimes with a ‘ammer. but when the Spuds tried to take the North Bank we all stuck together.
It was tribal. you could never support Liverpool with a cockney accent, they would kick shit out of you if ever you went to Anfield.
By: no worries on July 4, 2009
at 10:00 pm
now that i agree with duke…
main stands are pathetic…always have been….. the best support always gathers at the ends….
but thats the problem at the emirates…which is why i dont like it really..ive been a few times but i dont dig the atmosphere…it aint the same……it seems all the old support…the singing support has been broken up into different sections….you cant sing to each other like you used to…
then you get the foriegn fans who turn up with their cameras who dont really know what to do but sit politely and clap and then you get all the toffs who fuck off half hour before the end…..
aint the same…away games are the same though…thats why i still make the effort with those…
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 10:03 pm
Biggest problem at the grove is the stewards. If you stand and sing they tell you to sit down. Only in the big games do the fans get stuck in to the opponents when most of the fans sing together and the stewards cannot do anything.
By: Steve on July 4, 2009
at 10:14 pm
If one goes by the assumption that Jon Jon is always being sarcastic. Many of his would be hilarious.
By: Ateeb on July 4, 2009
at 10:14 pm
Have to say there was one game last season i think it was Bolton but the crowd was excellent jumping up n down but it was fukin freezing so obviously that played a part, shame it cant be like that anyway. too many people go now who are to self aware and think they will look funny if they jump around shouting and singing. i love coming away from a game with a sore throat if i havnt got one then id consider the atmosphere as shite.
By: dukegoonem on July 4, 2009
at 10:18 pm
That is very true Steve. Also what other big club has completely moved it’s fanbase around, we now have no ends and 60,000 strangers sitting next to each other. How can you start the singing off?
By: no worries on July 4, 2009
at 10:19 pm
thats another problem steve…
i dont know if theyve tried to create a family friendly atmosphere or what….
like no worries pointed out its like its been turned into the theatre…
you arent allowed to support like you should…its ok when your giving them the money for the tickets and its ok filling the stadium…but to try and stop people from doing what they are there to do is taking the piss…
they want you to support the players but who can you act like the 12th man when you keep getting told to sit down and shut up everytime you break into song…
its like they havent thought it through properly….
and i hate sitting down at a footy match….the terraces were better…
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 10:20 pm
The atmosphere has been good tho. The Liverpool game in december was amazing. The noise was intense! Basically everyone was booing the ref and scousers coz Ade was sent off!
It seemed to pick up towards the end of last season as well. Even the 4-1 loss to the Chavs, the atmosphere was still good.
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 10:20 pm
duke..
the sore throat is compulsory…
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 10:21 pm
I do sing at the Grove (I’m only a Red Member but I get to a few games a season), but I often find I’m pretty much on my own as the chant fades away around me. So I sit down again and wait for the next one.
On the North Bank, you never had to wait long!
By: GoonerGerry on July 4, 2009
at 10:23 pm
yeah spike the atmosphere at the ground in the dippers and the mancs games were immense….
but its like steve pointed out it only seems to be for the big games that the stewards cant do anything about it….
its the little teams that the stewards seem to clamp down and its no surprise that we sometimes struggle against the little teams at home….
i remember earlier in the season when wenger complained about the lack of noise and alot of the season ticket holders went mad because he was moaning about something the club itself was stopping them from doing….
it probably wasnt mentioned on here because those fans would be deemed to be undermining wenger but alot of the problems we have at the ground the club creates itself….
and then they complain about it after….
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 10:26 pm
So now Fiorentina Wants Eboue and money for Melo The buggers they extended his contract purely to hike the price If I were Wenger I would tell them to eff off. We have Denilson he is better and younger.
By: 1 Loose Cannon on July 4, 2009
at 10:26 pm
I have never seen this Melo play, but if Denilson is better why is Melo picked ahead of Denilson for Brazil?
Are they anti-Arsenal?
By: no worries on July 4, 2009
at 10:31 pm
JonJon;
I would love to debate that point with you, as I do not necessarily agree. However, in doing so, I will be in breach of Ateeb’s guidleines that were issued in a memo at the last meeting.
Sorry
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 10:32 pm
goonergerry…at the clockend the songs would never die…you would still be singing one song and another 5 would start around you….
you dont get that at the grove like you say…you’ll be lucky to get half way through one song before everyone goes quiet….probably around the same moment ade gets caught offside…
but its like whats been mentioned…we have no real ends at the grove…and the best support always gathered in the ends….you have thousands of fans from all over the world and the bloke sat next to you may not have a clue what your singing…he’ll just take pictures of you and get you to take pictures of him and his mate….
its hard to get a song started….
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 10:32 pm
yes spike we should not debate this…
it breaks all the rules of being a good fan and classes us as doomers…
i will therefore win the arguement by telling you to fuck off…there i win…im better….
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 10:34 pm
I don’t think we can blame the stewards or club for fans not singing! Sure they tell you to sit down, but I have sat with my cousin/uncle and we have been singing, with no fecker around us doing the same! No one was stopping them, but themselves…
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 10:34 pm
I’ve got a lot of respect for the ones who DO start the songs.
By: GoonerGerry on July 4, 2009
at 10:34 pm
no worries: Teams value power and the ability to do a solid shift for the team within a system. Melo does that. However, for Arsenal he would have more on his plate.
I am sure Wenger can iron out his positional play but Denilson is better tactically. I hope this doesn’t happen and we go for someone else. But saying that, I wouldn’t mind. If he does well he will surely leave then and by that time Denilson will be a better player if not already.
By: The Brain on July 4, 2009
at 10:36 pm
Me and my cousin sang “Red Army” back and forth to each other for about 10 minutes. No one else was singing it, we must’ve looked like a couple of tw*ts!
No change there then….
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 10:37 pm
Spike that is true. I have often seen “fans” turn round and look at me as if I’m insane. Just for calling Mark Viduka ” a fat aussie wanker”. I cannot understand it.
By: Steve on July 4, 2009
at 10:38 pm
I used to start that clapping one on the North Bank sometimes, if you remember it? No singing just a load of der, ders strung together.
Who was that bloke who shouted c’mon you rip roaring reds, then lost his voice? he had more bottle than me.
By: no worries on July 4, 2009
at 10:38 pm
Who was the geezer in the north bank who carried a bag full of shirts. He changed his shirt to suit the goal scorer. Has a wig like alan sunderland’s hair to.
By: Steve on July 4, 2009
at 10:42 pm
The Brain. Someone has said Melo is a DM then another has said he attacks more and needs a Gilberto next to him. So do you think he is a Cesc or a Song type player?
By: no worries on July 4, 2009
at 10:42 pm
Steve. I remember the peanut man and the shaggers who sold the tickets at half time that came out to all the wolf whistles, but not the shirt man, was he selling them or a fan?
By: no worries on July 4, 2009
at 10:45 pm
no worries- I watched Melo play in the confederation cup skills wise he is similar to Denilson in terms of tackling Melo is very rough commits a lot of fouls but he seems physically a lot stronger than Denilson but he is 25 Denilson is 21 and still has a lot of years a head of him If Wenger wants him it can only be for one reason Experience he seems more experienced and Wenger did stress that he will buy experienced players. But who knows Wenger has a plan for both so its possible a partnership in midfield with fabregas playing higher.
By: 1 Loose Cannon on July 4, 2009
at 10:45 pm
NW he was a fan.
I watched Melo in the Conf Cup as well, I was not impressed. A fellow named Gilberto outshone him.
By: Steve on July 4, 2009
at 10:48 pm
no worries: He’s a Song player. Song is not a defensive midfielder as such; he likes to get forward but not that much frequently as someone like Denilson while he defends in front of him rather than around him, preferring to get the ball quickly. Melo can pass.
For Fiorentina and Brazil he had someone playing with him and that helped. On his own and he is more susceptible. Could he do the job when Arsenal want to play expansively? But Wenger and his scouts have watched him and obviously to them the positional play and the not great tracking back is not a big problem.
By: The Brain on July 4, 2009
at 10:48 pm
Cripes, I need to see him play, I need to see this new midfield formation. exciting isn’t it?
What about Song? I thought he was doing well.
By: no worries on July 4, 2009
at 10:49 pm
What I meant about getting the ball quickly, is that Melo tries to win the ball back quickly and hasn’t the greatest regard for marking, covering and positional play.
His strength is not that much. It’s about balance and Melo can be swept of his feet at times. Also he does foul a lot.
Wenger thinks his faults are not that bad and can be ironed out. But £15m is too much.
By: The Brain on July 4, 2009
at 10:52 pm
no woories;
I think Song is gonna be a top player for us, in midfield or defence…
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 10:52 pm
the away supports still like that….its like being back in one of the ends…
you start sihning and everyone follows….you stop signing one song and another starts straight away….cant beat away games…
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 10:53 pm
The Brain;
I think Melo will go to Juve, personally. We are being used like some cheap hooker..
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 10:53 pm
I got the impression he was playing out of position because Gilberto was in the DM role.
I’ve seen a YouTube compilation (I know…) but he does have a good range of passing. The 17 yellow and 3 reds is a worry though.
If he’s got problems with his temper he’ll be ruthlessly targetted in the Prem.
By: GoonerGerry on July 4, 2009
at 10:53 pm
agree about song spike….
i see him more as a CB in the future though
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 10:54 pm
No worries – Song has big part to play too we need pepth in the squad fighting on all fronts we need bodies in midfield. Song can also play CB so Wenger might rotate and freshen up the squad Last season Denilson did the dirty work for us and played almost every game, at the end he was really exhausted so an extra player in midfield will help a lot.
By: 1 Loose Cannon on July 4, 2009
at 10:56 pm
What are the rumoured figures, is that £15 million plus Eboue?
So who doesn’t Wenger trust Denilson or Song, mmm? or have 3 players fight for their places?
By: no worries on July 4, 2009
at 10:56 pm
Its not a question of trust Wenger trust all the players otherwise they will not be in the team. we just need more depth in the squad. They all have a part to play in the season. As far as Eboue is concerned despite all the stick he gets from the fans I like him he is a good squad player and he does his part when needed so I wouldn’t like to see anyone leave. 15 mill for Melo should be enough really, he is no Kaka.
By: 1 Loose Cannon on July 4, 2009
at 11:04 pm
vieira had that same problem with refs re cards but that never stopped him from being a great player
a midfeilder who is willing to crunch a player is what we missed last season…too many times we were carved open like turkeys at xmas…we were crying out for a player just to snap someone and make the midfeilder think twice about getting the ball again….
we werent quick enough at closing down and we need to get that part of our game back….
i think the red cards as subconciously taken there toll on wengers philosophy….wengers teams of the past were not only good with the ball but with out it too….it we couldnt play you off the pitch and you wanted to start a fight we’d kick you off it 1st and then pass you off the park after….
wengers moved away from that..we are still good with the ball….but without it we are at 6’s and 7’s and we dont have the players in the squad to chnage that….wenger identified it and is signing the players to put that right…..
wengerball is great to watch be we need to learn to play without the ball…we need to earn the right to play wengerball…teams know how danderous we are and are not going to roll over…
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 11:06 pm
Its about squad depth no worries. Although I don’t think he will sign anyways…
As for Eboue, he played LB once (or twice) last season and was fantastic there…
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 11:06 pm
I really cannot see what Melo brings to AFC. He may be older but what experience does he have. No Prem experience, no CL experience and to what I have seen not any better than Denilson.
By: Steve on July 4, 2009
at 11:09 pm
Steve;
Yeah, me too…
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 11:11 pm
JonJon the days of Vieira and Keane are gone. The refs are not allowing the sort of tackles that PV4 used (sliding in from behind with his long legs). The need today is for a player to intercept the ball before it gets to an opponent. Denilson is 1st class at being in a position to do this.
By: Steve on July 4, 2009
at 11:15 pm
We should sign Nicky Butt, it’s so obvious…
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 11:20 pm
Guys i was quite excited about us breaking our record transfer fee, now you are saying he is just an okay squad player.
By: no worries on July 4, 2009
at 11:23 pm
no worries;
I have no idea how good he is… or otherwise.
But if we signed Nicky Butt, we would rule baby!
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 11:25 pm
Who what Butt?
By: Steve on July 4, 2009
at 11:26 pm
He is the answer….. I tells ya.
All we got to do now, is work out the bleedin question.
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 11:28 pm
No worries;
If we break our transfer record I want it to be on someone better than Melo.
He may be a sound player but not a £20 million player. £10 mill at most
By: Steve on July 4, 2009
at 11:30 pm
Spike;
I just gave you the question.
By: Steve on July 4, 2009
at 11:31 pm
I gave you 3 questions ffs.
By: Steve on July 4, 2009
at 11:32 pm
Nicky Butt… I was joking…. Did I need to say that?
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 11:38 pm
I do not know. Did it make you feel better?
By: Steve on July 4, 2009
at 11:39 pm
what about joey barton spike…
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 11:39 pm
I’m not convinced there is any interest in Melo. Maybe Wenger just made a casual enquiry. I think Melo played well in the Confederations Cup final. In the semi-final, he was awful – probably the worst player on the pitch. Even in the final, he made very few tackles. About half of his attempted tackles resulted in free kicks.
It’s interesting to discover that I’m a part-time tit. Anyone who knows me in real life knows I’m always a tit. Perhaps I create a better impression online.
As I said before, Spike is a mongrel among doomers – a half-breed, a mulatto. Ateeb is a top^3 supporter.
By: Poliziano on July 4, 2009
at 11:40 pm
steve maybe your right about that…but that doesnt stop other teams from doing it to us does it…how are we supposed to play our ball when we are spending most of the time picking oursleves up from the floor…..
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 11:42 pm
Sorry Spike perhaps I should have put my questions this way.
Who Butt? What Butt? Why Butt?
By: Steve on July 4, 2009
at 11:43 pm
Steve;
Move on… come one, you’ve ruined it now…
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 11:44 pm
Pliziano;
You’ll always be a fulltime tit to me…
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 11:45 pm
JonJon we have always had the rough end of the ref’s whistle. (one for PZ there)
By: Steve on July 4, 2009
at 11:46 pm
One thing I do know. I am one sad fecker for being in here at almost midnight on a Sat night, along with you lot of course.
By: Steve on July 4, 2009
at 11:51 pm
at the end of the day your on the pitch to win the game…if your tactics arent working because your getting kicked about..you fucking well kick them back until they stop…then you play around them…
stoke was a perfect example…
they beat us by not letting us play…and we couldnt counter that…we had no answer….
if we wanna be seriuous contenders we need to be taking 6 points from teams like stoke…
we are very lightweight in the middle…even barca who model themselves on us use someone in their midfield to help protect the little guys and kick the players who kick his….
i dont see denilson doing that role…interceptions he maybe good at…but protecting his players he aint……
im not saying we need a monster out and out Dm,…
we need another box to box player who can roll his sleeves up when it starts getting tasty and aint afraid to break a metatarsal or two…
look at alonso…he aint your typical DM..the man can play..but he can kick too…just ask cesc…..
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 11:55 pm
steve i was just thinking the same thing…but ive got feck all else to do..so im here
By: JonJon on July 4, 2009
at 11:57 pm
Steve;
Was thinking the same thing. But my killer hangover from last night has kept me in tonight! Well, thats my excuse…
By: Spike on July 4, 2009
at 11:57 pm
Steve- would you rather be drunk laying down on a pavement with a kebab?
We have signed one of the the best players and he is free. No its not Owen. Jack Wilshere this kid is absolutely amazing he has vision passing and an eye for goal. Also the team that won the FA youth cup is full of talent I will not be surprised if one of them makes it to the first team.
By: 1 Loose Cannon on July 5, 2009
at 12:00 am
One of em? I’m hoping/expecting 4 or 5!
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 12:01 am
Losers.
By: Ateeb on July 5, 2009
at 12:02 am
it is tough to break to the first but iam expecting at least one to make it. Last year we had Wilshere and gibbs so I’m hoping another 2 will do that this year.
By: 1 Loose Cannon on July 5, 2009
at 12:04 am
I was with Spike (my excuse)
JonJon that is utter bollox about us being weak. It was the long throws that stoke beat us. Hull played football and beat us because we thought they were shit (which they are) and played below par.
You seem to be living in the past with your box to box stuff. The game has moved on now.
Top teams always need to change tactics because the lesser teams always try to stop any play.
By: Steve on July 5, 2009
at 12:05 am
Steve you’re cool.
By: Ateeb on July 5, 2009
at 12:08 am
Ateeb;
Did you feel left out coz people were discussing going to Arsenal games?
Awww diddums
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 12:10 am
We have the youngest first team in the top 4 by far, and all these exciting young players coming through.
It is a nice position to be in, but some are going to get a bit restless as the players in front of them have at least 8 years life in them, it is going to be interesting how we are going to keep all this talent happy.
By: no worries on July 5, 2009
at 12:10 am
Spike, your comment to Ateeb is not cool from a real gooner.
By: Steve on July 5, 2009
at 12:13 am
As usual the Carling cup is the breeding ground for these youngsters and I think they can go far this coming season.
By: 1 Loose Cannon on July 5, 2009
at 12:13 am
I think that the lack of football might have pushed a few over the edge. Never mind it’s getting closer every day.
By: Marc on July 5, 2009
at 12:14 am
Mp worries, some of those young players will not wait. Let us hope the best do.
By: Steve on July 5, 2009
at 12:15 am
Steve;
So, calling me a loser is cool then?
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 12:15 am
-mp worries
+No worries
By: Steve on July 5, 2009
at 12:16 am
No, I was out. Just returned, just checked up on you lot. 5 am, got to sleep now. You should keep a dog, that will be one excuse to get out of the house. Too harsh on you? Not really, since the loser comment was just poking fun. Your reaction however…….
By: Ateeb on July 5, 2009
at 12:17 am
Spike; we all know better just allow him his fun. Not nice where he lives at the monent.
By: Steve on July 5, 2009
at 12:18 am
Steve .
So do I, man management is the key, they should show the players that want to leave a video/DVD of Bentley’s and Pennants careers since they left.
By: no worries on July 5, 2009
at 12:19 am
Oh, I see, you calling me a loser is perfectly understandable given our long history of having a laugh together…. Oh wait, we don’t have one do we? Nope, just you calling me names, thats been the entirety of our blogging history.
So, when I give it back, you get all upset…?
Whats wrong? It was only a joke.
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 12:19 am
lol, Steve. It’s perfectly fine where I live. Seriously, it is, don’t buy what bbc feeds you. But if that is a license for me to hunt trolls, well, there was this bomb blast that occurred some 450 miles from where I live, yesterday. So…..
I don’t call you names Spike. Not that I remember. I am not upset, thought I’d calm you down, by telling you it was a joke.
By: Ateeb on July 5, 2009
at 12:25 am
Don’t need to calm down. You aren’t exactly worth it.
So you can’t even admit you’ve called me a loser and a doomer….
Brilliant….
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 12:27 am
I wish all my fellow GOONERS a goodnight. I am off for a kebab and puke on the pavement just to prove I had a good Sat night.
We’re the north bank
Laters peeps.
By: Steve on July 5, 2009
at 12:28 am
Laters Steve
By: Spike on July 5, 2009
at 12:30 am
Yea,, i’m outta here too nite all.
By: no worries on July 5, 2009
at 12:31 am
seeya northbankers….
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 12:34 am
ateeb
listen…i know we got off to a bad start…but there are times when i do think you are alright…
what id like to do is chat arsenal with you….
you were obviously reading through the posts about going to to the games….but you didnt contribute…
it doesnt have to be like that….just because you dont go doesnt mean you cant get involved…
but we dont need the names and the shit you know??? we are all binded by one thing..arsenal….
i may have a different opinion on things to you but that doesnt stop me from respecting your opinion…what pisses me off about you is that you arent willing to accept anyone elses…
but as someone pointed out earlier..no matter what you think of me without people like me their wouldnt be an arsenal for you to support…
wrongly branding people doomers and trolls…
it aint necessary…
we could learn alot from eachother….but you refuse to meet a middle ground because your scared of what the others will think….
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 12:42 am
oh and steve..i know youve gone but with the system we play with us playing wenger ball and all we need box to box midfielders to make it work…
we dont have any real set positions…the players all interchange and we need the team to defend as one and go foward as one….with out box to boxers that doesnt work …defeating the whole objective of wengerball…..
and barca have just won the CL playing almost the exact same style so the game hasnt moved on as much as you think….
im sure you’ll read this tomorrow but thanks for sharing your experiences steve….and duke…and gerry and spike….
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 12:47 am
and no worries
By: JonJon on July 5, 2009
at 12:48 am
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at 1:09 am
“you see what gets me…is that alot of you…who coincidentally have never been to an arsenal game….which is no disrespect…all fans cant get to games…but their still fans…. call fans like me…who do go to arsenal games and have done all my life….a troll and a doomer and such because i tell you what i see when i see adebayor play live….alot of you have never seen him play live…so how can you comment on it???”
“ts those people who are causing negativity around the club…they are dividing the fans and fucking us up….”
“ateeb and no one in their right mind who supports the club from thousands of miles away and has done for 5 minutes…would tell someone who has invested their entire life into supporting arsenal how to support….”
“then you get the foriegn fans who turn up with their cameras who dont really know what to do but sit politely and clap and then you get all the toffs who fuck off half hour before the end…..”
“but as someone pointed out earlier..no matter what you think of me without people like me their wouldnt be an arsenal for you to support…”
By: Horse Gr-it-Sh-it on July 5, 2009
at 6:33 am
The concept of attacking a fellow Arsenal fan who providess the club from thousands of miles away (through some random genetic quirk of fate) with unwavering support for being “overzealous” is bizarre.
All clubs should be so lucky as to have the likes of Ateeb and PZ and ZimPaul et al within their ranks.
Its just a shame that they have to teach many of us “locals” that supporting the club means appreciating the players we have not looking avericiously at those of our opponents.
Finally, i’d also like to make the point that buying a ticket or a shirt doesn’t give you carte blanche to call certain players or the manager names or to demand to know our transfer budget or what certain players are paid. It earns you the right to not buy another ticket if you don’t like what you see. That’s it.
By: Queen of Suburbia on July 5, 2009
at 9:50 am
q.o.s thats bollocks
we are simply stating that we are getting called doomers by people that dont even go.
stop putting us in geoffs view i like le grove but it dont mean i share his views.
did’nt you admire zidane of course you can look at opponents players.
ateeb and these lot are alright but should stop telling us how to support the club we spend most of our time going to.
By: kirby on July 5, 2009
at 10:09 am