Posted by: Yogi's Warrior | July 2, 2009

Gallas, Naldo – A New Back Four Pairing And Some More Stuff

Well, it would not be Arsenal if there were not transfer speculation flying around would it. Those Mr20%s certainly earn their corn. OK, so the let’s have a quick look at the latest incoming centre back shall we.

[Adopts Magnus Magnusson tone and cue recording of 'Mastermind' introduction]

Name? Thomas Schaaf

[Cues Isaac Hayes 'Shaft']

Nein. I said, SCHAAF

Occupation? Head Coach of Werder Bremen
Specialist Subject? Securing the transfer of Naldo to Arsenal.

[sound of record scratching].

So let us get this right. The head coach of Werder Bremen, perennial qualifiers for the Champions League, is touting his centre back to go to Arsenal. Now there is something immediately odd about that situation since coaches normally want to keep their best players. So the following needs to be answered: (a) Is Naldo any good? (b) Has he fallen out with his coach? (c) Why haven’t you signed him yet, Arsene? I leave it to the YouTube generation to come up with a suitable trailer to prove he is the best thing since sliced bread and that he is the big, clogging centre back that Arsenal apparently need.

Unfortunately, Naldo would probably not be slotting straight into the team. According to L’Equipe, Jose Mourinho took one looa k at Ashley Cole and realised that he was still deeply enamoured with William Gallas. So much so that he has turned his back on the affair, hoping to rekindle the luuuurve between himself and Billy. Except no-one seems to have told William this since he is adamant that he is remaining at Arsenal, for next season at least.

And I have no problem with that at all. Gallas is the best centre back at the club. His partnership with Toure was excellent before the last African Cup of Nations, disintegrating upon the Ivorian’s return from that trip and subsequent injuries. The signs were that Toure was regaining that form during the unbeaten run last season and it will be one of the key factors of the coming campaign.

The assumption is that Toure is the one who will make way for Vermalean yet with Gallas in the last year of his contract, this cannot be taken as a certainty. Wenger has previous with players who are reasonably demure about their futures, Gilberto Silva the last to find himself reduced to a bit part when younger players come in and take their chance, as Flamini did. And no, that is not a cue for everyone to start repeating the tired and tedious mantra of re-signing the Frenchman: Get over it, it is not happening. Move on. Think of it like the end of a relationship; you split, you hurt, you get on with the next Miss Right or Miss Right Now (or replace Miss with Mr, depending on your own circumstances).

Elsewhere, Aaron Ramsey has a new deal, Birmingham City are hopeful of teaching Armand Traore the finer points of performing major surgery on an opponent without the use of an operating theatre or anaesthetic. It would not be the summer if Emmanuel Adebayor was linked with AC Milan. His Mr20% has been bleating to the media that Arsene will not tell him what his plans for Adebayor are. Two things that Courbis should understand: firstly, whinging like an overpaid, spoilt brat is not going to garner any new information from the manager. Ask a direct question and demand a direct answer. The second is that Wenger does indeed have plans for your client. It’s called pre-season training. Make sure Emmanuel knows when and where he is expected to turn up.

The last snippet is from the Spanish media who apparently have accepted Cesc’s recent declaration of intent to stay at Arsenal. When they are not regurgitating rumours started by Daily Star hacks, they are lining up next summer’s stories about Fabregas. Apparently he has an agreement with Sandro Rosell that when the Barcelona elections come around, Rosell can use Cesc’s signature as his star signing. So, you’ve been warned that with the World Cup meaning a plethora of old tosh, this little nugget will be kicking around from March time.

’til Tomorrow.


Responses

  1. .

  2. Excellent, YW.

  3. just for you QoS ;)

    Yes QoS

    that is also a possibility…i wont dispute that….

    i think overall though armand is not as far up the pecking order as he may seem….

    with a taste of regular footy he may want more….with keiran and gael at a young age also…this possibily rules out a role a LB for him for quite a long time…..id say all his career…..

    and with the style of beautiful play wenger craves…he doesnt require out and out wingers….which armand seems to be developing into

    so maybe another loan season is the best option…but then again…how many times do you go out on loan before you want stability????

    it depends on the player himself…if armand is patient and skillful enough he will get his chance….

    but if he craves regular action a permanent move may be the best option…

  4. I,ve already read that JonJon. Yesterday I think. a few minutes ago in nother time and place anyway.

    Thought you’d gone to bed G4E. Don’t you americans ever go on ‘vacation’? Consolslel’s sister is married to an american and has lived there for over 30 years, kept her British passport though (the last time she reentered the US after visiting us she was snarled at by some immigration goon, “Why haven’t you taken up Citizenship?”)

    Anyway, that’s by the bye. My point was she and her husband work absolutely silly hours. 7.30 am until 6 pm. Absolutely insane.

  5. Traore has got talent… just i have serious doubts in how often Wenger will pick him if we kept him as a squad player.

    Look at Vela for example: A striker, who is more likely to get minute on the wing where he is effective.

    Problem is… we dont play wingers! unless your Theo Walcott who is lightning quick.. Arsene might play 1 winger style midfielder but to play 2 is highly unlikely. It has taken probably 3 yrs for Arsene to finally stick Theo in midfield on a regular basis after fans were demanding he replaced the likes of Eboue after injuries to key players and deprtures of key players.

    So back to the point.. Vela being a left mid/winger option got barely any minutes there last season… Wenger preffered to stick Diaby, Nasri, Denilson there untill the arrival of AA. Its not that Vela isnt good or Traore isnt good, its our system, we play a passing game so having 2 wingers bursting down the flanks along with our 2 “wing backs” we leave alot of space open through the centre… where we have been most vulnerable.

    the 4-3-3 is looking ever likely

  6. You must have made a mistake there, Consolsbob. If one lives in America for 16 years (perhaps less), one automatically acquires American citizenship.

  7. http://www.arsenalinsider.com/?p=5226

    this article is a good read..

  8. good post YW

  9. “Back to Reithian principles. Inform, educate, entertain or fuck off.”

    I doubt that Baron Reith ever expressed his principles with such eloquence.

  10. sorry ConsolBob i did it for QoS…she asked a good question that deserved an answer and before i could answer YW had put a new post up….

    id agree with you on that CG…id say vela had more chance of playing in a 4 3 3 or a 4 2 3 1…

    either way…playing 3rd man in an attacking role….either cutting in from the wide areas or playing through the middle….but if im honest…id prefer him to play through the middle…

    his finishing abilities would be better maximised feeding off the others i feel

  11. Greetings Yogi. Spot on analysis as usual! After all these Mr2O percents are just after a hefty piece of the cake and a major payday. Courbis seeming to be the greediest fat bastard of the lot.

    So all you gooners should ignore their self ingratiating drivel. They are just trying to pay the bills simplez.

    As for arsene I am expecting an even better season than before. Our faith in the team ade, eboue and all wIll be rewarded.

  12. I answered your answer on the last post JonJon…

  13. polly

    why is it ok for some bloggers to be sacrcastic about certain topics but not others???

    like i said to you before…the phrases ‘only when it suits’ and ’selective blogging’ spring to mind when i read your comments….

  14. Why do you say that, JonJon? I haven’t so much as mentioned you this morning.

  15. Am i right in thinking that Gallas would not be offered a new long term contract anyhow being over 30…so the expectation would be that a one extension would be discussed towards the end of next season?

    Or is the one year deals for over 30’s a media built myth anyhow?

  16. Too early in the day for niggle surely folks?

    I haven’t seen Naldo play, or Cana. I have no idea of either are any good and i wont watch you-tube. Although anyone the coach is trying to flog is probably a non-starter. Still, it is summer, there is no footy to watch, so I hope we sign them both today and that they are amazing – getting new players is just fun.

    We should really play 4-3-3, I was bleating about this last year and still feel the same way: if you have lots of small quick players you need to press with numbers in midfield and not leave some poor sod alone with cesc to do it.

  17. QofS

    I think we should get him on for another year from now, save the speculation and also he will have a sale value next summer if this is his last season

  18. Wasn’t Silvestre given a two year contract?

  19. its not really in the interests of the player to sign that though is it Chris?

    If i don’t come attatched to a transfer fee, i can negotiate a better personal deal.

  20. cheers QoS

    the youth system we have in place is not only to bring our own talent through…but also to provide extra funds for the club….we develop talent not only to benefit the team but to benefit the finances as well…which is one of the reasons the model is perfect….

    all of the young players will not make it….therefore i dont rule out that any young player who makes a loan move will not eventually be sold..either to the club that loaned him or another…..

    so yes loan moves are for experience but sometimes its also putting them in the shop window too….

    the resaon i feel traores move was a shop window one is becuase like i said he has several players in front of him who all look to be here long term…even moreso with gibbsy signing a new contract….

  21. Possibly PZ, i think you are right…so is there a one year only policy in place for extensions and not new signings then…or indeed no such policy exists at all?

  22. arsenehollis

    the signs of us converting are there, with Wenger going 4-5-1 on many occasions last season and his chioce to go with a midfield trio towards the end of the season using 3 of … Song/Cesc/Nasri/Denilson

    Its good for us to be able to convert to different formations to suit different games, its come to a point now where we must find a solution that will work and fit our players best in the majority of games.

    I wouldnt like to put any money on what Wenger plans to do… we could go 4-4-2 and wipe all before us… you never know!

  23. but i know what you was gettin at polly…

  24. I suspect it’s only a rule of thumb at the most, QoS.

  25. I just don’t see the point of a shop window loan move JonJon.

    What if the player has a storming loan…and does really well?

    I think you could argue that one of the effects of a loan move to gain experience is that a previously unheralded player can attract interest which then gives the club greater options

    But i think its an effect not a causation factor. The thought process is more likely to be…Traore isn’t going to get many games this season and would benefit from greater experience, lets send him out on loan.

    Not, Traore doesn’t feature in my plans at all, lets send him to Portsmouth to increase his sell on fee.

  26. In the case of Silvestre, I suppose Wenger was willing to bend the rules to obtain an exceptional talent.

  27. Yeah that’s probably it PZ.

  28. Traore was the second choice left-back before he want on loan. Clichy certainly thought so, as is proved by comments he made at the end of last summer. If Gibbs has supplanted him, it is only by virtue of his performances at the end of last year.

  29. Chris…I think the formations we played last season were the result of injuries more than anything…we were cutting our cloth according to the players we had available.

    Ade flitted in and out of fitness, RVP had an injury, Eddie was picking up niggles for fun as well,

    We struggled to pull together the right players for a 4-4-2..

  30. QofS

    Gallas should grab the chance of another year if we offer it to him, obviously financially its better for him to go on a FREE which is a bit of a bit*h. We just have to convince him to add a year or 2? I think hes a quality CB whos experience will prove valuable and has done. We cant just chuck Vermaelen straight in with all the pressure.

  31. Did we send AT out before or after Silvestre came in does anyone know?

  32. Traore went out on loan the day after Silvestre was signed.

  33. maybe he does feature in wenger plans…but if thats the case why has gibbs been given a new deal?? why have we signed another player who can play LB?? and i very much doubt troare will play as an attacking midfielder when we already have so many….

    maybe last year was an experience move….but if troare leaves the club again next season, lets say for example birmingham like was talked about on the previous post…. it could be a permanent one….

  34. So accepting that its better financially for Gallas to go on a free…why should he sign an extension now if offered Chris?

  35. Wenger probably thought Silvestre would provide cover at left-back while Traore gained experience at Portsmouth.

  36. Chrisgoona – good point. The fact that against the big sides, in the big games Wenger went for 5 in the middle last season is telling. The main challengers in england all go in for the mourinho style clog the middle, press and counter approach.

    Maybe it would be best if we could pick and choose, at home against smaller sides i have thought for a while that we should have specific tactics and team selection. For example, why sagna over eboue in those games? Away i understand, but when we have 65% or 70% possession we should play the more technical guy. Similarly 4-4-2 is probably best then. Down to the boss to get that right though.

  37. QoS – bang right there, Gallas would be a fool to sign another year at arsenal – he wont do it.

  38. Loans can work in many ways… its not as simple as lets send him to increase his future transfer fee or just for experience. All dependant on who Wenger sees he needs in his squad, what ever the plans are for Traore remains to be seen

  39. And Silvestre can also play at left back non?

    I think that shows Wengers clear intention was to get Traore additional experience then. Not put him in the shop window.

  40. Hiya.. A while back Traore spoke about how he was willing to really bide his time with arsenal for many years to get into the team…he also said although he plays in a different role at portsmouth, he knows that when he’s at arsenal his main focus is defence..Both him and gibbs gives us ample cover for Clichy although Gibbs would be slightly ahead in the pecking order merely because of the new rules demanding english players..

  41. I wouldnt rule out Gallas adding more years… he seems to like playing for us despite all that has gone on. He notches quite a good tally too, lets wait n see if an offer is put forward to him before dismissing he will reject it

  42. Has Gibbs been out on loan yet… maybe its his turn this coming season and that will leave Traore playing back up LB???…

  43. I don’t understand your point Chris?

    You said that he should sign a new contract. My point was that its not in his best interests to do so.

    Obviously if he really really wants to stay then he’ll sign but that wasn’t what we were dicussing?

  44. i dont count silvestre as a left back QoS

    only left back in the dressing room…

  45. My point is you cannot look at it as just a financial perspective QoS, what cant you understand about that exactly?

  46. In relation to the purpose of another potential loan for Traore, I’m just re-posting this from the end of the last post

    “With our first team full of established but very young players, I think the generation coming up behind them are going to have to be more patient as I can’t see many of them getting the opportunities at such a young age as previously. They may have to accept several seasons on loan before they are ready to start challenging for the first team. Unless of course they are so desperate to play they would settle for ‘lesser’ teams and start the downward spiral of their careers a la Bentley.”

  47. At 32 next month I would have thought that WG and AW will take it a season at a time.

  48. Well, I don’t know Pz. She travels on a British passport, I know because I saw it this year. She told me the story about the immigration officer.

    She is not the sort to make stories up. Perhaps she turned down citizenship?

  49. On August 4 last year, less than a fornight before going on loan, Traore signed a long-term contract with Arsenal.

  50. Well i don’t see how you are in a position to assess Gallas’s state of mind Chris, ergo we can only really speculate on what seems most logical.

    Which would be that he delays any new contract issues until next season.

    The only reason to look for a longer contract now would be if you were concerned about injuries etc and wanted to know that you’d get paid for a longer period.

  51. Frank

    Logically that is the best way to go about it, but we have lost players before this way.. also contracts are easier to get out of now.

  52. jonjon – agreed dude, i dont see why silvestre should ever get a game ahead of gibbs, traore, djourou, or song. None of those are worse, all will benefit from the games.

  53. i agree with Chris re gallas….he is a quality defender and if we sell him now it would be a big mistake for the sake of a few million…his value on the pitch is more important to us….

    if he doesnt sign then fair enough but we cant just sell him…if he was worth 10 or 15 mil then maybe but hes too inportant to next season to let go….dfenders like gallas dont grow on trees…

    he wont go to inter anyway…not with jose there….

  54. QoS

    “The only reason to look for a longer contract now would be if you were concerned about injuries etc and wanted to know that you’d get paid for a longer period.”

    I dont see how you can come to that conclusion, you seem to be trying to jump into his mind now dont you?

    The way i see it is, if you are happy at a club, happy with the team, the environemnt, your manager, the teams prospects, your financial terms… why shouldnt the player want a longer contract when he is approaching the age of 32.

    Take a step back and think logically, not everyone lives in the world of greed, and those that do who have left Arsenal have found out that the grass aint greener with more money.

  55. We should keep gallas for a year, we need him more than money. After that if he goes we have cover and he will only have a year or two left, no tragedy. Plus, players in their final year of contracts often have very good seasons, it i just coincidental that money is on the line of course.

    Interesting that manure cant buy a decent striker. Would not be at all surprised if that Ronaldo money were sitting in a Florida account already.

  56. Perhaps she told him to shove his US Citizenship up his arse and was marched off with her arm up her back. OR second thoughts maybe she simply gave him a withering smile and said, ‘yes I can see why as an American you would ask that’. OR ‘hey cowboy good idea are they all built like you over here?’…maybe she likes to vary it every time she enters the US, depending upon her mood. That would be best. I think.

  57. JonJon

    He is a very important player to us, i dont see why we should let him slip away just because of his age. Bergkamp played untill he was 34? Adams 35?

    Gallas looks like he can go a bit longer.. Im sure Wenger still wants him around

  58. polly

    if wengers thinking of selling traore then that new contract will secure a higher price….

    im sure your aware that a players value not only depends on his skill…but on the length of time on his current deal….

    do you think we could of got AA for 15mil or whatever it was if he had 5 years left on his contract…

  59. Actually, she told him that she already had citizenship, the evidence for which was in his hand.

  60. I would think that AW will be doing his best to ensure that he knows WGs plans. It is crucial that the defenders really work together in the pre-season. That preparation should not be disrupted.

  61. That is in Arsene’s hands surely. He doesn’t have to sell Gallas if he doesn’t want to.

  62. WG will not stay in the side a minute longer than AW deems him capable. We will never be party to that information in advance.

  63. Speaking of contracts I thought i’d share a story about our good friend Phil Brown that i was told a couple of days ago.

    A friend of mine was injured playing for Derby County under Phil Brown. It was a serious knee injury in that he was scheduled to be out for 7 months.

    Four months into that injury, he was called into the office by Brown and told he had to go see two new local specialists for an assessment.

    He duly complied and both specialists advised he retire. The club then called him in and presented him with a contract for him to retire and terminate his playing contract immediately. With two specialists saying the same thing – they can do that.

    My friend is represented by his dad. His Dad had the good sense to arrange a visit to a Specialist in his home town in the North East…i.e. one not affiliated with the club. That Specialist stated that he was on track 4 months into the recovery of a 7 month injury and did not need to retire.

    At the “retirement” contract signing, my friend presented Derby County with this information (incidentally Brown didn’t even turn up for this meeting) and the club quickly backed down.

    When he recovered, Brown made him train with three other “outcasts” not even the reserves until fortunately Brown got the push.

    Just shows what kind of a man Phil Brown is doesn’t is?

  64. Frank

    Very true, i just hope the Vermaelen signing is an intention to improve our backline and bring in extra cover … not replacing Gallas as he has told Wenger he wants out. In an ideal world we would keep Gallas, Toure & Vermaelen. I hope come match day 1 they all still here along with Djourou. Add backups of Song and Silvestre we look to have enough numbers and good experience.

  65. There is of course the problem of WGs fitness, after his medial ligament damage. Although nowhere near as serious as a damaged cruciate ligament, healing is still noticeably longer and trickier after 30.

  66. Chris @ 11.46

    Gibbs went, I think, to either Southampton or Norwich for a while.

    YW

  67. Norwich City

  68. On the subject of contracts I thought i’d share a story about our good friend Phil Brown that i was told a couple of days ago.

    A friend of mine was injured playing for Derby County under Phil Brown. It was a serious knee injury in that he was scheduled to be out for 7 months.

    Four months into that injury, he was called into the office by Brown and told he had to go see two new local specialists for an assessment.

    He duly complied and both specialists advised he retire. The club then called him in and presented him with a contract for him to retire and terminate his playing contract immediately. With two specialists saying the same thing – they can do that.

    My friend is represented by his dad. His Dad had the good sense to arrange a visit to a Specialist in his home town in the North East…i.e. one not affiliated with the club. That Specialist stated that he was on track 4 months into the recovery of a 7 month injury and did not need to retire.

    At the “retirement” contract signing, my friend presented Derby County with this information (incidentally Brown didn’t even turn up for this meeting) and the club quickly backed down.

    When he recovered, Brown made him train with three other “outcasts” not even the reserves until fortunately Brown got the push.

    Just shows what kind of a man Phil Brown is doesn’t is?

  69. Chris, the truth is we are all speculating as none of us know what WG or AW are thinking. Arsene might be happy to keep WG for another season to allow the new defender/s time to settle as well as bearing in mind that Toure will be off to the ACN in January. He might be willing to then let him go for free as a thank you for his contribution to the club.

  70. Living in manchester, I have many many United supprting mates, not one of them was in any way disapointed about us signing Silvestre. Quite the opposite in fact.

    Maybe Silvestre was a quaility defender, before the inuries took their toll, but I assume he was bought as cover for Clichy, before we knew Gibbs was goin to turn out the likkle start he is.

    The fact that Silvestre slated the club on numerous occasions while at United has no bearing on my antipathy towards him…

    I just hope he isnt required next season…

  71. QoS

    Presumably Brown was in a foul mood because his tanning salon was shut for the afternoon.

    re your story – was the player in question talented or average of ability? The only reason I ask is that when players turn to coaching, they often cannot handle players under their ‘care’ who are better than the coach was in their playing days.

    YW

  72. Thanks YW

    Just wonder what Wenger’s actual plans are for Traore, he is a promising player, then again so is Gibbs.. and hes English!

    Wenger couldnt have been so sure Gibbs would have done so well when he sent Traore on loan, its why Silvestre was brought in last minute. We cant keep them all really but i dont want to see Traore ending up at another Premiership team and us regretting it!!

  73. That Phil Brown story does not surprise me in the least QoS

  74. Realisically I wouldn’t say he is a top top talent…but he is a capable defender, quick with a reasonable touch.

  75. I really hope there is a place for Traore in the squad, he is real talen, naturally left footed and we dont have a great deal of options there at the moment. And after his knuckle dust up at WHL, he’s pretty much a legend already!

  76. ChrisG;

    I think Traore has a better chance playing further up the pitch…

  77. Actually Chris my premise was built on logic not conjecture.

    I wasn’t sugesting Mr Gallas was worried about injuries because as you rightly pointed out I couldn’t know.

    Merely I was making the point that the longer your contract…the greater your insurance.

    I hope he re-signs, I hope he plays a blinder but I can understand why he may not be in a hurry to do so or indeed why the club can’t just “sign him up” which was your original point.

  78. I think Traore’s versatility may well be a blessing.

  79. The M*rror piece written by their Chief Spud, martin Lipton is a real piece of agenda driven shite…

    No quotes and full of hot air and innuendo.

    Gallas quite clearly said, yesterday he is really happy about staying and playing next season, whether he gets a new deal or not aint the issue and IF he does leave on a free, then fair enough and good luck to him.

  80. Spike

    Thats the only area i see him contending for a place as well.

    Problem is, we also have:

    Vela
    Nasri
    Rosicky
    AA

    Im not sure where any of these players will end up playing or in Rosicky’s case when, but im pretty sure Traore will have a massive task getting in front of any of these players.

  81. QofS

    I understand what you are saying, we just have to wait and see what happens i guess

    We can sit here predicting all day!

  82. true. its good news that he wants to be here next season anyhow!

  83. Am I missing something? Did not Gallas say just yesterday that he’s staying with Arsenal?

  84. Very good article and well written with some well observed points.

    I have a question for you? Where do you see young Jack Wilshire fitting in in the oncoming season. Will he get Premiership matches or will he be loaned out? or just saved for League cup games.

    I think he has the potential to follow in Fabs footsteps in terms of progression (not position).

    Would be interested in your comments and thoughts.

    P>S> I still don’t think Toure will stay and Ady has to be sold he is a one season wonder… (least we forget 6 of his premiership goals the season before last were against a very poor Derby side).

  85. Surely two season wonder Mr Sack? 16 goals in an injury hit season is a pretty good return.

    A 1:2 ratio wasn’t it?

    6 goals in 8 CL matches wasn’t it?

    Didn’t all the other strikers who scored less than Ade play against Derby? For me, that’s the only way you get to discount those goals.

  86. ChrisG;

    Rosicky may take a while to get back into his groove, Arshy likes to operate behind the frontman, Nasri, like Arshy and Rosicky can play right side, leaving Vela, who can play upfront too!

    I think, given the amount of games, injuries etc, we need all the players we have…. And we aint even mentioned Barazite yet!

  87. Traore is 19 and has many years in front of him to develop into the player he can be, so I really don’t think it’s quite the pressing issue some are making it out to be. Remember Clichy spent many years behind Cashley before he got his chance and the competition between Traore and Gibbs will be good for them both.

  88. @ knob sack I think wilshere will take up amaury bischoff PI’s spot on the super outside… Wenger will want to protect him because of his heritage.. I don’t feel how ever he will progress at the level of cesc (mainly because cesc broke into the Spanish nationals aged 18)how ever he has astounding talent and will learn alot from a player like rosicky.. Wilshere protects the ball in a similar way to iniesta . IMO he has greater potential than Theo..and in years to come I can see him taking a more central role but having the versatility of a genius like Iniesta..

  89. Kitchen Sink – Wilshere is a big admirer of Lionel Messi, so I see him styling his game on the latter. He loves to run with the ball, but eventually Arsene sees him in the Bergkamp role due to his passing vision. He is not a deep lying playmaker type like Cesc.

  90. Kitchen Sink

    I agree, Wilshire looks to have something special about him, its there for everyone to see. Wenger wants the lad to blossom in his own time without the pressures. The same goes for Ramsey. They are special talents which we dont want to destroy at such a young age. Just look at Vela’s playing time this year, very very minimal in terms of the games that mattered. Next season he will be stepped up.. Same as how Wilshire and Ramsey will be more involved.

  91. Great post Passenal at 11:55. I really get confused and impatient when it comes to assimilating the younger guns into the first team. I really hope many of them are patient enough and don’t pull a Bentley. But glad Bentley pulled a Bentley, and sets a precedent for others to fear. If you’re impatient and leave us for greener pastures, the only thing you’ll get is a place on the bench of a mid table team.

  92. Yess its true that he has ACLF like messi and wenger did say he is more of a dribbling type in comparison to cesc who is more of a passing type.. Iniesta is probably the most versatile player on the planet and I wilshere biding his time and progressing in the same way as Ini before solidifying his role in the team..

  93. I see Knobsack isinvoking the ‘goals against Derby County do not count rule’.

    Unfortunately, this rule is not recognised by either Derby fans or the FA. Hence, their relegation.

  94. Wilshire will be an attacking/creative outlet for us, he has an eye for goal as well as we have already seen. Anywhere behind the front line the lad will cause opposition problems and get in spaces that will hurt opponents.

  95. Consolbob

    You got me in stitches! :D

  96. There is no such thing as automatic US citizenship.

  97. Why have I been moderated, Yogi? That wasn’t the sort of divine intervention I was looking for.

  98. Good stuff YW.

    Thomas Schaaf quote ? – I smell ze rat

  99. Actually that is not strictly true, Ken. There is something called ‘derivative citizenship’ which means that US citizenship is conferred through a US parent, even though the child has not set foot in the country before and has no US passport.

  100. Either Sport.co.uk is incredibly well connected, or Arsenal fans are getting Schaafted yet again.

    It certainly wasn’t an official quote. Well, I couldn’t find anything in the German papers this morning!

  101. I feel like one of those guys in the movies who after dieng still roam the earth. They can see and listen, but can’t take part in conversations. Because no one can hear or see them. Only Yogi seems to be the one who might be able to pass my message to ACFLers.

    P.S I am moderated at the moment.

  102. Cccaaaannnnn yyyyooouuuuu pppeeeoooopppplleeee rreeaaaaddd tttthhhhiiiiiisssss? Heeeeellllooooooo………..

  103. The first time in months I’ve read an opinion that Kolo’s poor form last year was due to his fitness, rather than class. It’s about time. I get the feeling that people think he’s past it, but he’s only 27/28, at least four years younger than Gallas.
    I think Kolo will be back to his best by the start of the season and it could be him and Vermaelen that start.

  104. I think, Ken, that if you are born in the US then you automatically become a US citizen. Whether you decide to take the steps to get a document that proves it, however, is another thing.

    Great discussion about Gallas. I agree with most. I think he’s got one or two more years at most with the club (although I would love him to stay longer) and that Vermaelen was bought to be cover this year/next plus milk cup player and the eventual replacement.

  105. Tony, I think Kolo’s poor form last year was partially caused by the malaria he contracted at the ACN. I remember reading that he had contracted malaria. Unfortunately once you get it you never lose it so I guess the proper way to refer to it is that now that Toure has malaria he needs to make sure it is kept under control. It’s quite a bad disease, my sister in law got hit with more than one strain doing Peace Corps and will be on meds for the rest of her life.

  106. I thought that WG and KT were back to being a great partnership until WGs knee injury put him out for the season, swiftly followed by JDs injury. That is the point at which our hopes for a great end to the season were dashed.

  107. Toure is still class and proved it last year, they guy can get into any defence in the world. Why would we even consider letting him go!??

  108. gris gris i was about to say the same thing re kolo and malaria…is that true that you never lose it???

    maybe the future isnt for kolo isnt so clear after all….

  109. Gris Gris – Yes, but once its controlled and although it’s still in the system, doesn’t it just stay in the background? Like your carrying it but not actually suffering? Like rabies can be in animals but they don’t show symptoms?

  110. Frank

    I believed that is what happened yes, not to mention Clichy being out also, and Sagna. I think we were missing our whole back line apart from Kolo.

  111. And then Clichy, Almunia and Sagna as well, Frank. It just isn’t reasonable to expect a defence to cope with so many players missing. We lost excellent individuals, but also much needed cohesion.

  112. Or, what CG said!

  113. Did people actually watch Toure play in the second half of the year? Was very good, don’t listen to those le-grovers. He won’t have malaria affecting him for nearly two years.

  114. Anyone that argues we aint got a squad to cope with injuries is just plain stupid. We seem to be the only team who suffers that many injuries in each area at a specific time. 1 day it was CLichy, then Gallas, next Djourou, next Almunia… We might seem like we are whingers or what ever, but id like to see another top team get their way to 2 semi finals with injuries like that.

    Chelsea without Bosingwa, Terry, Cole and Cech …

    …Man U without Van Der Sar, Vidic, Evra, and Ferdinand…

    ….Liverpool without Carragher, Reina, Aurelio and … who ever else..

    they would all struggle just as much as we did.

  115. OneOfUs

    you took the words out my mouth!

    Wearing my new blue away shirt today – Walcott 14

    It has thousands of holes in it! very comfortable to wear

  116. Looks like I was wrong. This from the Centers for Disease Control in the US:

    “If I get malaria, will I have it for the rest of my life?
    No, not necessarily. Malaria can be treated. If the right drugs are used, people who have malaria can be cured and all the malaria parasites can be cleared from their body. However, the disease can continue if it is not treated or if it is treated with the wrong drug. Some drugs are not effective because the parasite is resistant to them. Some people with malaria may be treated with the right drug, but at the wrong dose or for too short a period of time.

    Two types (species) of parasites, Plasmodium vivax and P. ovale, have liver stages and can remain in the body for years without causing sickness. If not treated, these liver stages may re-activate and cause malaria attacks (“relapses”) after months or years without symptoms. People diagnosed with P. vivax or P. ovale are often given a second drug to help prevent these relapses. Another type of malaria, P. malariae, if not treated, has been known to stay in the blood of some people for several decades.

    However, in general, if you are correctly treated for malaria, the parasites are eliminated and you are no longer infected with malaria.”

    I would assume the Kolo was treated properly and thus he is malaria free.

  117. We’ve got Toure, Gallas, Vermaelen, Djourou and Song. We also have quality back up in Nordtviet, Hoyte, Emmanuel-Thomas and Bartley etc. and if worst comes to worst we will probably have either Senderos or Silvestre. (although we could afford to clear both off.) We are well covered at center back.

  118. Gris Gris: Why couldn’t someone have just posted that kind of information sooner?

  119. Tony Adams: And you were the one that said Vermaelen was too small?(!)

  120. Yes I agree with that Gris Gris. I would add that it is not really possble to develop immunity to malaria, and so reinfection is common, particularly if visiting the same area as the original infection. But providing that KT has stuck to the treatment regime he should be fine. All the evidence from the second half of the season is that he has fully recovered.

  121. Gris Gris – I thought so. I had an African teacher who caught it when he went home for the holidays. He went sick for a while but was back eventually and as far as I know he never suffered again.

  122. The Brain – I was pissed at the time.

  123. Is that American pissed or English pissed?

  124. Frank – I’m Tony Adams, I was the England Captain and a known alchoholic. What do you think? ;)

  125. Both?

  126. If Adams says our defence is fine, ill take his word for it

  127. Naaah, CG. TA was a defender, not a defensive strategist or teambuilder. He wouldn’t know how to build a defence in the current game.

  128. Yes – I’d also, just got the sack from a shit club, who’s star player was a geriatric goalkeeper, with a personality disorder, which left him thinking he was superman.

  129. Tony, I would say that makes you twice the man of anyone else. To play at your level and while getting pissed every evening and sometimes before games is simply astounding!

  130. Gris Gris – …and all while I was still at school learning from a Malaria suffering science teacher!

  131. To pick up CG and OoU points, our defensive injuries at one point were the equivalent of losing Lee Dixon, Tony Adams, Steve Bould, Martin Keown, Nigel Winterburn and David Seaman.

  132. Frank

    Its a big ask for any team, was just a diasspointing end to the season after we recovered so well.

    Next season i have high hopes:

    *With Vermaelen added to the mix,
    *Denilson, Song, Walcott and Nasri stronger more experienced players,
    *Ramsey/Wilshire/Vela itching ever closer to 1st team action,
    *Gibbs our new sensation,
    *the return of Eduardo again and Rosicky
    *having AA eligble for all competitions and a whole season!

  133. wow.. this naldo case must be like prawn in fried noodle (or prawn beyond rocks).

  134. Barcelona beat chelski playing wonderful attacking football in a 4-3-3 formation with 10 men in the 93rd minute in the bridge having dominated possession in both legs. They then went on to win the European Cup against a full strength Utd team (that absolutely demolished us in the semi’s) without Abidal, Marquez and Alves – 3 of their first choice back 4 playing a beautiful brand of football that they are synonymous with.

    Our seasons failure was not all down to injuries or lack of quality in certain positions. Lack of defensive discipline, poor leadership, wrong decision making and brittle self confidence had a lot to do with it too. Thats not to say these things can’t be fixed – but there’s no point in deluding ourselves that its all down to injuries if were really going to be honest with ourselves.

  135. hmm… If a prawn falls in the woods – does nobody hear it?

  136. The difference then Frank is that no one would have been surprised if we didn’t win with all those players missing but the modern fan expects the club to have 6 players of the same quality waiting in the wings!

  137. Joe thats crap, we are the best team in the world. Braca aint got nothng on us and neither has Man Utd. Our defenders are the best efenders in the universe and so is the rest of our team, appart from Fabianski who is shit.

  138. Our defensive frailties were central to Arsenal stalling in the last half of the season.

  139. Frank you’re talking crap we have no frailties, support the team and stop dooming. Go support chelsea and take fabianski with you cos he’s wank

  140. Joe

    You are right that it was a combination of different elements that contributed to our downfall at the end of the season. I aint blaming it entirely on injuries but yet again they played there part is what im saying.

    My point was if any other top4 team experienced so many injuries in their defence they would have suffered just as much as us.

  141. Frost

    chill out man!

  142. Passenal:

    Who replaced those players in Barca’s back four? Silvinho, Pique and Yaya. 2 of those players we let go ourselves, and Pique was released by Manu.

    Hardly “6 players of the same quality waiting in the wings”……and please don’t label me a “modern fan” or “doomer” for facing up to the reality of the situation and being honest..!!

  143. injuries are naturally a major thorn in the arse when it comes to challenging for honours….naturally…i just think the warning signs are there with some of the members of this squad and nothing gets done about it….then at the end of the season…we say oh we had so and so out injured for x y and z amount of months and it wasnt fair….i just think same ol same ol….we saw it coming

  144. chris –

    I’m sick of doomers. ‘Defensive frailties’ we have no god damn frailties. The playes read this shit, everyone needs to get behind the team no matter how they play

  145. “Frank you’re talking crap we have no frailties, support the team and stop dooming. Go support chelsea and take fabianski with you cos he’s wank”

    Frost: “….two roads diverge in a wood, and I chose the one less travelled….. “

  146. Frost – Some players live on praise, some get lazy if they are not told they are under achieving and others thrive on getting over adversities. If the team are not achieving, they should know, in the same way that they should be praised when they are achieving.

  147. The defensive frailties to which I refer, were the injuries incurred by most of the back five at a key point in the season. Not unfair. Just the rub of the green.

  148. Tony –

    Thats crap, we are the best team ever in any sport or with any size noses. We have no faults except our absolutey crap support like frank the doomer

  149. Noses?

  150. …and Fabianzki?

  151. Not sure who Frost is but he’s doing a good job of taking the piss! LOL.

  152. Platini says he’s going to push for a salary cap, based on restricting the total wage bill+transfer spending as a percentage of a club’s turnover. He’s set a target of 3 years to implement it.
    http://translate.google.com/translate?langpair=auto|en&u=http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/20090702_085904_platini-contre-la-valse-des-millions.html

  153. Frost – If i said the word “Nobby”, would it ring a bell?

  154. Frost’s full name is Tommy Frost. Aka Jolly Frost.

  155. Ole – If its a Platini idea, it probably wouldn’t have any positive effect on Arsenal.

  156. Our turnover is high therefore our wage bill would be allowed to be high. So theoretically it would help us.

    Not sure how such a system enables the Crewe Alexandras of the world to grow though…

    Surely it also encourages the cheap import?

  157. I told you tony adam.. can you really hear prawn falls in the wood? the sea so quite?

  158. Joe, I posted my comment in response to Frank’s post and before seeing your comment. I haven’t labelled as my post was not directed to you in any way. Barcelona could just as easily have lost to Chelsea it was that close. Man U started well against Barcelona and had someone slipped and they scored first, who is to say what could have happened. Tiny margins make a lot of difference and I would not claim our injuries were the sole reason for our losses, but they were significant especially against Chelsea where it was 2 defensive errors that lead to their goals in the FAC.

  159. Who was it impersonating Frank then? Was it revealed?

  160. I think us having 6 first team players out vs ManU was a major bearing on that result not to mention that awful heartbreaking slip just as we were on top.

  161. gopal – Aahh, but ’tis a sea well swam, is it not?

  162. I don’t think Barcelona will win the Premier League. Not with that midfield and defence. I simply don’t believe it possible.

  163. Ole – I’d bet my life on it. ;)

  164. Injuries are nowadays a part of the arse games, consequently, we should allocate it sometime on a team sheet. as long as I can remember we have had at least one major injury every season.so, I think it is time we assumed the worst and brace ourselves for it. Someone is gonna get injured next season.

    lets see the chronology
    05/06- Gael, Lauren etc
    06/07 -RVP,Henry
    07/08 -RVP, Rosicky, Eds
    08/09 -Willy G, Gael, Cesc, Ade
    09/2010 – left to imagination, maybe Pat Rice and Tony Adams

  165. Wenger has assimilated a team of the worlds finest young players. Make no mistake about that. The development of the club and brand has been an utter joy to watch. And the fact that he’s done it on a shoestring budget, while turning down the likes of RM tells you just what a genius the man is.

    But if he doesn’t get the balance right by making sure we have leadership, discipline and self belief – it all goes to pot.

    Ole – I have zero confidence in anything messrs platini and blatter aim to do. Football is deeply, deeply corrupt at all levels, from the highest down I’m afraid. Look the story QoS told earlier about Brown, the behaviour and money paid to someone like Ronaldo – a guy who is an embarrassment to sport in general, the constant match fixing allegations, the diving, drugs, bungs…….it goes on and on and whatever is to happen in the future – it won’t be fools like platini and blatter who’ll fix it. Just look at the need for video camera’s to eliminate diving and help referees make key decisions. See how effective it is in Rugby. A simple, basic improvement – the non-implementation of which is almost indefensible. Wenger has been calling for that for years – yet they can’t even get that right – let alone salary caps…!!

    Passenal: Sincere apologies, I obviously misread your intentions..!!

  166. I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m always delighted to see players leaving the club. As soon as one of our players reaches the age of 26, I start speculating about how long he can continue to perform at the top level. When we make a new signing, my mind turns immediately to consideration of which players might no longer be needed. If a young player starts to perform unusually well, my chief pleasure is the imagination of his more mature counterpart being off-loaded.

  167. Read this on a Manc forum today –

    “…I have to say, things aren’t looking rosy for Sir Alex and United. 1st choice signing off to finish 2nd in the Spanish league with Real Madrid. United really should think about acting sooner, they always seem to leave it until mid-July to buy anyone. If I was Sir Alex, I’d be straight over to Madrid to sign Robben, Huntelaar and Wesley Sneijder.

    That’s you attacking options sorted and you’d get them reasonably cheap. Then go and buy Senna from Villarreal and you’re done. This management lark is easy…..”

    It seems Arsenal are not the only club with know it all fans.

  168. “Some players live on praise, some get lazy if they are not told they are under achieving and others thrive on getting over adversities. If the team are not achieving, they should know, in the same way that they should be praised when they are achieving.”

    Who are you to tell them, though?

    I tried invoicing Arsenal FC after a brief stint providing consulting services to AW on formations, performance evaluation and team selection via the ACLF comments page, but my bank account never got credited.

    So now my philosophy is: let AW & co do their jobs, and let the supporters get on with the underestimated role of simply supporting the team.

    The players don’t need wannabe managers (the vast majority of whom are prejudiced in some way, have limited access to the right info and know fuck-all about football) evaluating every match.

  169. elaborating on my previous post about injuries….

    for me…and i think many of my fellow gooners would agree…the reason we gave the title away to the mancs the season before last was because we recieved devastating long term injuries to dudu and rosicky in the final months of the season….

    the impact the losses we had were negative and the team suffered…form and confidence dropped….

    now if the loss of these players had that impact on the way we played in the final three months of that season…what made wenger beleive we would start the last season any better with the same two players missing again for the 1st 3 months….

    yes wenger believed that rosicky would be back at some stage and play around 70% of games but that still meant he would miss the 1st few months….and dudu was definately not expected to return before xmas….

    i know we signed nasri…but he was hlebs replacement….

    we went into last season with two of our most talented players missing…

    so when i hear people say we had rosicky and dudu out i dont really want to hear that excuse because we knew about that….and we did nothing to put it right in the summer…

    cesc and the rest however were key loses at key times and was very frustrating….especially when we lost gallas….that really messed us up…

  170. Pols, I think my chief pleasure should be which of our players will get injured.I think it is a more common phenomena than which old boy might move on and which youngstar my step up, not that your fantasy is in anyway less respectable

  171. Tony Adams,

    You think Barcelona will win the Premier League?

  172. ChrisGooner 10:40, I have to agree with that ArsenalInsider post. I too think a 4-3-3 would suit the players we have. Basically ALL of our midfielders prefer to play centrally so it would suit them. And most of our forwards are comfortable cutting in from wide positions or switching up between central and wide play, so it would suit them as well.

  173. you know what…arsenal just need players with sharp & complete passes..(to accommodate with arsenal’s free flowing football)
    unfortunately…there’s no one except fabregas

  174. Am I alive again?

  175. Why are my comments being delayed?:S

  176. California Gooner,

    My problem with 4-3-3 is that everytime we tried it it failed miserably. And we didn’t look like Arsenal.

  177. A salary cap will be good news for us. Chelsea are instantly fucked. Madrid, manure any other club looking to go silly buying players on borrowed money will be in some sense restricted in what they can offer. It will be good for the game, no more rich pricks looking to spunk cash on their own ego trip.

    OLE – are you mad? Barca cant win with that midfield? Have you seen them play dude? Toure, Xavi, Iniesta are as good as anything in the world, better than anything right now. Thats why they won the treble. Add Messi, almost certainly Villa, and Eto ahead of it and that is top draw.

  178. Yogi? You figured why my comments are being delayed for more than half an hour?

  179. “So now my philosophy is: let AW & co do their jobs, and let the supporters get on with the underestimated role of simply supporting the team. The players don’t need wannabe managers (the vast majority of whom are prejudiced in some way, have limited access to the right info and know fuck-all about football) evaluating every match.”

    Oneofus / Alex :
    You’d be surprised, sometimes fans who devote so much time and attention watching their team and contributing to the vast salaries that are being paid, learn to cultivate an opinion that isn’t disrespectful. Even Wenger concedes that..!!

  180. Ole – i think, from what i saw, that the reason we struggled with the 4-3-3 was our wide attackers were too rigid within the formation always staying out wide to play like conventional wingers. It meant that we had no one ‘ in the hole’ linking midfield to attack and Ade got isolated too easily. With rvp and AA, they should more with more freedom, getting in between midfield and defence and allow the full-backs to provide the width. Humping balls in to the box for a lone striker is not our game, but that is what happened last year as we adjusted badly to the new formation. With a full pre-season you would expect Arsene to get the team more comfortable with this option – maybe they should have been last year? Either way, there is no reason it shouldn’t work.

    My only problem with it is that if Ade insists on trying to be henry and drifting wide, someone must occupy the space in the middle otherwise we get left with no one near goal. But that is possible, just look at how messi and eto alternate position, no reason AA and RVP cant do that.

  181. In some cases Joe, yes.

    But would you concede that the vast majority know stuff all about football?

    Everyone thinks they have a good sense of humour…but as good is a reletive term, we can’t by very definition ALL have a good sense of humour.

  182. arseneholis,

    They’d get kicked out of every Premier League park!
    I’d really like to see Messi against the Stoke backline on a cold Monday night in January.

  183. Ole, when I posted my comment I hadn’t followed the thread through. There are actually some interesting and thoughtful comments on the main article, some of which echo your own thoughts. They are worth looking at. Arsenal column takes up the theme as well. It seem to be on my people’s minds following Barca’s extraordinary success.

    http://arsenalcolumn.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/barcelona-lead-the-way-but-their-blueprint-cannot-easily-be-imitated/

  184. “My only problem with it is that if Ade insists on trying to be henry and drifting wide, someone must occupy the space in the middle otherwise we get left with no one near goal. But that is possible, just look at how messi and eto alternate position, no reason AA and RVP cant do that.”

    Couldn’t agree more ‘Hollis. I think 4-3-3 can only be successful with technical players. Something like:
    DCM, Cesc and AA as a link player and a forward line of Rvp, Eduardo and Rosicky.

    Ade to be used as a plan (B) in a traditional 4-4-2
    or holding in a 4-5-1 formation?

    I don’t think Ade is technical enough to play 4-3-3.

  185. Joe,

    Obviously every fan has an opinion and thats great. But when some fans develop a militant mindset and demand that their opinion is implemented by the club then what can one say except that those fans have become spoilt and have forgotten their primary purpose.

  186. 442 or 433, either way there is a learning curve. 433 would require some learning for sure. Pires and to a lesser extent Lundbjerg were playmakers who played on the wing. Hleb and Rosicky also learned to do that very well, although both preferred the No 10 position or straight up central mid (can anyone forget Hleb’s first half vs Villa?). But neither Nasri or Diaby look comfortable on the wing at all, and Arshivin, who seems brilliant enough to play anywhere in the offense, wasn’t too happy either.

  187. JJ,

    Good comments about not replacing players like Eduardo and Rosicky over the summer. I think Wenger, in his heart of hearts, knew last season was going to be an interesting ride. However, I think that in the long term the team did very well coping with the absence of those two players. Two semi-finals, fourth sewn up, and loads more experience for the young guns. Losing bitterly is often what it takes to make winners and losing those semi-finals and then to chel$ki in the league right at crunch time will have caused everyone who played to grow up a bit. I expect the focus from the team to be sharp from the get-go this term. I would also expect the “it is a grind” mentality to be pervasive from the start. That is what it takes, full credit to the young guns for learning that the hard way but still pulling off an amazing season last year.

  188. arseneholis,

    I’m not convinced about 4-3-3. I still think 4-4-2 is what best allows us to balance attack with defence. In some games we can morph to 4-5-1 or to 4-2-3-1.

    My problem with the 4-3-3 is that if we maintain all components of our game…i.e. passing and wing play, we’d be playing too high up the field.

    And we’ll be even more dependent than we are now on the current form of the defenders.

    I do realise that they key to the Barca way is to press high up the field, and using tackles as passes. When Barca players tackle, they direct the ball not into space but towards team mates.

    Those are two things we’d do well to learn.

  189. A media inquisition of Ferguson? This summer may be the one it happens.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/comment-could-ferguson-be-on-a-downward-spiral-1728948.html

  190. if you say a non positive your a doomer end of.

    on aclf

  191. QoS: “But would you concede that the vast majority know stuff all about football?”

    No I wouldn’t concede that entirely QoS. I think were spoilt because we have Wenger – so in this context I would concede that the vast majority of fans should just be greatful to have the worlds finest manager who is so committed to the cause.

    That said – every fan has a right to an opinion and that opinion should be expressed in a respectful way.

    But I’d like to think that there are some intelligent fans, because there are certainly some very very poor managers. I’d like to think, in the case you cited earlier, that I might know far less about football than Mr Brown, but I still would have the respect for the player and club not to treat him like Brown did.

  192. All the talk about Traore that, Traore this have missed the point.

    Why Traore went on loan?
    AW initially eyed Traore to support Clichy at the LB but realised he wasn’t good there. I mean he was roasted by Rooney in the FA game at Old Trafford. Destroyed by Lennon on two occasions in CC games. Performed poorly against Servilla in a CC game. In all these instances, he never played 90 minutes, he always substituted.

    He came out himself to say that his natural position is LM and not LB. So AW sent him on loan with instructions to play him at LM.

    Gibbs has developed well at LB even though he’s also an LM but hasn’t been bothered playing in that position. Aw has even predicted that Gibbs might make the England list for the World Cup so its a done deal.

    Traore will have to fight for a place at Lm as he’s shown on many occasions that LB is not his cup of tea. He’ll be facing strong competition from Rosicky, AA, Nasri and even Vela and I doubt if he can survive at that position.

    I see another loan move beckoning. Gibbs took his chance while he did not.

  193. when we played birmingham, when dudu broke his leg and we were 2-1 up and ade runs through and doesn’t square the ball for bendtner, can anyone say they didn’t show any negativity to ade, even if it was in your head for a while after.

    its the same thing if you say i don’t think diaby is good enough or intelligent enough.

    its opinion, how can someone with an opinion bring down the name of a club

  194. Good point, Nemesis. I don’t know how I overlooked the pleasure afforded by injuries. Not, of course, that I would come out and say plainly that I enjoy seeing our players injured. That would look bad. No. Instead, I will say, “I hope that injury to John Smith isn’t worse than it seems;” or, “I’m just praying that injury isn’t career threatening,” even though nobody has even hinted that it might be. An injury, though, is nothing in itself. It’s value derives from the possibility that it might cause a player to be sold. I therefore like to say, “Joe Shmoe has always been one of my favourite players. I hope to God we don’t have to sell him on to a lower division team.”

  195. Another thing being overlooked is the combination of Xavi and Iniesta, 2 players who complement each other so well and have played together for so long.

    Barcelona look great with those two.

    And people forget that when you’re bundled off the ball outside England referees give a free kick. Not the same in these parts.

    Another thing is that pitches in Spain are wider and bigger, and that helps a team like Barcelona. Pitches like Upton Park or Villa Park etc create a crush and more physical contact.

    But you just have to remember that Chelsea, playing Bolton-like football actually had more chances than Barcelona at Stamford Bridge.

    I personally don’t see how 4-3-3 allows our creative players to have more of the ball in central areas. Or rather, I see it only happening if we always play high and wide on the field. And then we’re ever more vulnerable to the hoofed ball. And Gallas/Toure are better more pacy defenders than Pique & Marquez or Puyol.

    Contrast with 4-2-3-1 in which you can literally set free the “3″ to go wherever they want in the opposition final third, such that they change positions and switch play.

  196. i agree GG

    i think wenger put on a brave face but the lack of transfer last summer tells me that although we managed to scrape the pennies together for AA…we didnt have enough dosh to replace players of both dudu and tomas quality…

    so wenger went with what he had and hoped they would do well but last year was basically a learning curve…a baptism of fire for some of his players and 99% of them passed…

    of corse he would of wanted to win…but i expect his main aim was to qualify for the CL with what he had and then re asses the situation this year and rebuild if he needed to…

  197. Ole, by 4-2-3-1, do you suggest two holding midfielders? Is this what Man U played last year? How do you see us filling out the various positions?

  198. Hello there RASERS

    No time, I’m working too damn hard – Consolbob might say ‘like an American’. Barely time to skim the posts.

    Hello Frank. Malaria does stay in the system without medication, and sometimes even with. It’s ‘orrible. Kolo seems OK, but it can debilitating months and even years after.

    To JJ – sarcasm only works with a reasonably sharp sense of ridiculous, practice makes perfect. Pz is master of the craft. That’s why.

    To Ateeb. The heat is getting to you and your words are slurring. Drink water. Lie down. Think of Arsenal. Could it be malaria? Nope, just heat.

    To Frost – …. oh never mind

    To Arsenal – we only have good problems, many choices, possibilities. The suspense before the new season is killing me. Do something!

    Bye. Off to work I go.

    What about the strange case of impersonating Frank, which itself sounds … a hard ask.

  199. agree GG

    i think wenger put on a brave face but the lack of transfer last summer tells me that although we managed to scrape the pennies together for AA…we didnt have enough cash to replace players of both dudu and tomas quality…

    so wenger went with what he had and hoped they would do well but last year was basically a learning curve…a baptism of fire for some of his players and 99% of them passed…

    of corse he would of wanted to win…but i expect his main aim was to qualify for the CL with what he had and then re asses the situation this year and rebuild if he needed to…

  200. Kirby says how can someone with an opinion bring down the name of a club

    I think you do OK pal. Not all the time, but … you know … often enough to disprove the theory.

  201. agree GG

    i think wenger put on a brave face but the lack of transfer last summer tells me that although we managed to scrape the pennies together for AA…we didnt have enough cash to replace players of both dudu and tomas quality…

    so wenger went with what he had and hoped they would do well but last year was basically a learning curve…a baptism of fire for some of his players and 99% of them passed…

    of corse he would of wanted to win…but i expect his main aim was to qualify for the CL with what he had and then re evaluate the situation this year and rebuild if he needed to…

  202. gris gris ive just type out a response to your reply to me and its been moderated three times….

    basically i agree with you mate…

  203. i think wenger put on a brave face but the lack of transfer last summer tells me that although we managed to find the pennies for AA…we didnt have enough cash to replace players of both dudu and tomas quality…

    so wenger went with what he had and hoped they would do well but last year was basically a learning curve…a baptism of fire for some of his players and 99% of them passed…

    of corse he would of wanted to win…but i expect his main aim was to qualify for the CL with what he had and then re evaluate the situation this year and rebuild if he needed to…

  204. Thank goodness for Bodad! After all this time indulging in wild speculation about Arsenal, we now have a man who is privy to all Wenger’s plans and secret thoughts.

  205. hahaha i did it… so the word cr*p or any word with cr*p in it…. like scr*pe is moderated on here…??

  206. We’re hoping that advances in latent semantic indexing will be able to soon cut out the cr*p entirely JonJon.

  207. Yeah, JJ, agree.

    QoS, LOL! Excellent.

  208. not really zimpaul

    opinions are not that important, especially from someone with influence on our club.

    my opinions are not involved when i go to the games.

    maybe after in the pub or chatting to friends but they are irrelavent.

  209. sorry

    someone with no influence on our club.

  210. California Gooner,

    Two holding midfielders or 2 midfielders sitting deep and being disciplined about doing so.

    Liverpool is the example –> Mascherano/Leiva paired with Alonso.

    One holding midfielder with one deep-lying playmaker.

    As relates to Arsenal….yes that’s the problem. Is Cesc willing to sit deep? Or does he get pushed into the hole.

    Here’s how we could do it…

    Almunia

    Sagna Toure Gallas Clichy

    Cesc Denilson/Senna

    Rosicky RVP Arshavin

    Adebayor

    I really like this line-up.

    The link play between Arshavin, RVP And Rosicky will be deadly with all playing off Adebayor or EDS.

    The question is, can we trust Cesc with defensive duties?

  211. Re: Alex @ 4.19pm. Fergie might be making the mistake of staying on 1 season to long. It looks as if the Ronaldo deal was arranged/done last summer and they had over 6 months to offer Tevez a new deal and didn’t seem interested until he’d decided to leave. After equaling Liverpool’s title record it would have been a great time to step aside and go out on a major high. When you consider the financial situation at ManU there was always the risk that something could go wrong. They now seem to be struggling to attract transfer targets and are now being linked with Owen! How are the ManU fans going to respond to losing Ronaldo and Tevez and replacing them with Valencia and Owen? If that was Arsenal the press and sections of the fan base would be going crazy.

  212. Man Utd won’t sign Owen.

  213. /

  214. Ole Gunner – Personally I think Cesc is most effective when playing from deep with license to push forward. When he is played “in the hole” he loses the ability to play the ball over the top and is easier to mark when he drifts to the edge of the box. I also think that Cesc is one of the hardest working, most committed players at the club.

  215. Have we actually signed Senna?

  216. Poliziano – Probably not, but it’s a world away from being linked with the top players in the world. Will Fergie panic buy if he can’t get the players he wants?

  217. Poliziano – I can’t see Wenger paying that sort of money for a player of that age.

  218. It’s no fun blogging, when your comments are delayed. Strange though, as they appear later on at the time you posted them.

    I should stop moaning, though. Don’t think Manu would sign Owen. Not a chance. Don’t think Arsenal will sign Senna. Can’t see it happening, unless by some unfortunate turn of events we sell Song, Denilson and Diaby for 150m to RM.

  219. Any one know what happened in the Usmanov meeting?

  220. Marc what sort of money? Senna shouldn’t cost more than 3-5m.

  221. Maybe Ferguson wil re-sign Ruud van Nistelrooy. He’s 33, but he had a far better strike rate than the lesser Ronaldo last season.

  222. Take care, Zimpaul

  223. Man Utd also have some kind of option to buy back Giuseppe Rossi. From watching him in the Confederations Cup, he’s similar to the lesser Ronaldo, in that he contributes little in open play, but has a good long-distance shot.

  224. Ferguson usually buys in accordance with popular opinion, and his choices usually fail. This year, the people’s favourites are going elsewhere, but utd won’t necessarily be the worse for that.

  225. Poliziano – If ManU pursue that route I can see them having a tough season. RVN is very dependent on crosses (or at least he used to be), who are ManU going to have on the wings next season?

  226. The previous Galacticos era at Real Madrid was not particularly successful. I predict this one will be even less so. The new generation of Galacticos is not nearly so good as the old one, but the prices are bigger, and – more importantly – the egos are bigger.

  227. Why, Marc, it’s the most talented squad Ferguson has ever had. There must be somebody who can kick the ball into the penalty area.

  228. I think utd will have a tough season.

  229. Poliziano – Are you being sarcastic?

  230. Yes apparently it is going to take until Sunday to clean up the mess, G4E.

  231. Poliziano – Unless they bring in at least a couple of good – v. good players I can actually see them finishing 3rd or 4th.

  232. Why…did Usmanov hit the fan?

  233. In my opinion, it’s very likely that utd will finish outside the top two.

  234. Arsenal TV are showing a replay of West ham vs Arsenal from last season. Cracking second goal by Ade. Even better pass for the goal from Bendtner.

  235. News from Wenger:

    Adebayor is staying. Inter hasn’t bid on Gallas. He didn’t say he’s not leaving!

    Bordeaux hasn’t made a bid on Silvestre. Bad news!

    And he says he might get Chamakh if someone leaves.

  236. Alisher Usmanov loves to munch on garlic sausage and pickled onions during meetings. It helps him concentrate. The smell can be very overpowering and is designed to ruin an adversary’s concentration. This ploy was reinforced by farting loudly when other Board members were making a point, the principal one of which was a request from PHW to stop eating garlic sausage and pickled onions and if at all possible to stop farting. Anyway to cut a long story short Usmanov’s security were a bit touchy and the whole meeting ended in a shootout. A Boardroom messed up, broken clocks, chair stuffing, gloop on Chapman and Wenger’s busts, bust busts I should say. It spilled out onto the concourse, through the museum and into the stadium. Thankfully the agreement before the meeting was that all security personnel could only be armed with paintball guns. All of this was reported by a green, red, white and blue Peter Hill Wood, who apparently was shot by all the Board members when it kicked off. Stalemate apparently.

  237. Forgive my tardiness but, as you know, I have been away. What happenned to Breakdown’s FA enquiry re Cesc?

  238. have you got a link ole???

  239. Consolsbob – Slap across the wrist and a small fine. Typical.

  240. I believe the 4-5-1 (or 4-2-3-1 depending on how you look at it) we played at the end of last season was in response to a badly depleted defense.
    I still believe we play better with a 4-4-1-1 system for a number of reasons.
    We can still overload central midfield when required as our wide midfielders cut inside while our full backs overlap to keep opposing wide players occupied.
    However it is not in our best interests to congest midfield when we are attacking. We are a passing team. Putting 3 central players into midfield simply means they play closer together, resulting in shorter passes, making it easier for opponents to close us down. The ball travels faster than any player!
    The basic problem with a 4 man midfield is that it is not as defensivey secure as a 5 man midfield.
    When we lose the ball we only have 2 central mids to close down the ops.
    So to play like that requires confidence in the back 4, especially the central defenders, and that’s what went missing last year

  241. JohnN – Hopefully Vermaelen will solve that problem.

  242. I like that line-up too, Ole. I don’t know why Cesc couldn’t play deep, pushing up in the later part of games as he often does. He is something of the complete midfielder.

    I am curious why nobody is making more of this Naldo rumor. Is it simple rumour fatigue?

  243. I like that line-up too, Ole. I don’t know why Cesc couldn’t play deep, pushing up in the later part of games as he often does. He is something of the complete midfielder.

    I am curious why nobody is making more of this Naldo rumour. Is it simple rumour fatigue?

  244. I meant to say: “Cesc can play deep.” I think there is a general consensus that he plays best that way.

  245. “And he says he might get Chamakh if someone leaves.”

    I’m not convinced by the last quote Ole as it certainly does not sound like something Wenger would normally do to actually name players who are potential targets? I know he mentioned Barry last summer, but I don’t think he ever seriously considered him but might have feigned interest to get Liverpool moving in the hope of securing Alonso. I wonder if Chamakh is a reminder to someone’s agent that he will not brook any silly games and if necessary, he has a replacement lined up?

    I really don’t see Milan going for Ade in an ACN year and Arsene doesn’t sound like he’s in a hurry to offload him so I think he’s here for another season at least.

  246. JonJon,

    Link: http://www.rmc.fr/edito/sport/82724/wenger-cette-annee-sera-decisive/

    It’s in French. This is based on an audio interview. The Gallas and Silvestre aspect is in the audio interview.

    Other bits of news from the interview:

    1. If we win nothing in 09/10, we have to rebuild from scratch.
    2. No departures planned unless someone wants to leave.
    3. He wanted Benzema but didnt even know he was for sale. So no bid from us for the Benz.

  247. More news on Adebayor, Passenal: AC Milan’s lawyer who handles all their player negotiations says he doesn’t hold much hope of Ade going to them.

    It’s the old Wenger thing, Passenal. He responds to questions. He was asked if we want Chamakh, and he said yes but only if someone leaves.

  248. cheers mate…

    yeah i agree with passenal…that part about chamakh is abit wierd….

    if he signs a striker if someone goes but ades staying then whos the striker???

  249. JonJon,

    Faulty logic as usual. He didn’t say anybody is leaving.

  250. Maybe Simpson.

  251. The part about Chamakh is simply in reply to a leading question: “are you interested in Chamakh?”
    “Sure, but only if someone leaves.” It’s not like Wenger went out of his way to mention him.

  252. the thing is ole that if wenger does want to sell ade…then he isnt going to lower his value by saying he’s for sale is he???

    he’s going to keep saying he’s a key player so if a team does show an interest wenger can say hang on a minute…you want a 30 goal striker whos not for sale…

    i want 35million….

    then again…he might not actually be for sale…

    we shall see…

  253. thats why i said it was wierd mate

  254. Thanks marc. Did Cesc get punished?

  255. Securing Aaron Ramsey and Jack Wilshere on new long term contracts is incredibly significant. These two players will be the foundation of a hugely successful side which will emerge in three to four years time. They will act as the bridgehead for the other hugely talented youngsters currently in the U18s. Sod the conjecture, these may well prove to be the most important signings in AWs tenure.

  256. JonJon,

    It’s like the effing News of the World. If he says Ade is leaving, you conclude Ade is leaving. If he says he wants to keep Ade, then you conclude Ade is leaving.

    What does he have to say that actually means Ade is not leaving JonJon?

  257. to conclude…ade might be for sale…or may not be..i think he should be..but he may not actually be…it could all about posturing to get the money or maybe not…

    wenger plays these games every summer…i think this is what wengerball means…summat like that…we shall see.

  258. Top stuff on here today.

    I particularly enjoyed the Phil Salon Brown anecdote from QOS & Frank`s farting post.

    Plus some input from someone called `Knob Sack`.

    Halcyon days

  259. you got it all wrong ole…

    if he stays he’s staying he’s staying…but ive heard wenger say players are staying in the past and theyve gone….

    all im saying is i dont doubt it…but i always keep an open mind on things i know nothing about…

    none of us know what will happen..

    cesc might walk away tomorrow….

    we dont know until the transfer window closes…we can speculate and we can say he wont leave he will leave but we just dont know….

    wenger is a master at mind games….im just saying im not ruling out anything until september 1st

  260. hahaha alex…i wondered how long it would be before someone proved my point about people not debating but taking the piss….

    you let the side down today mate….its been a good day today but theres always one isnt there???

    well done…

  261. dont forget gibbsy frank…

  262. ….which side jonjon….you were never on any side…least of all on this side…

    ….wont let you down next time…am working on it…you shall see…

  263. CB, Cesc was cleared of all wrongdoing. Evidently Arsenal submitted video evidence showing that Cesc was still on the pitch when the Hull assistants claimed he was spitting on them in the tunnel. It’s a bit like that Seinfeld episode with the baseball player and the “grassy knoll” spitting on Jerry and George outside Yankee stadium.

  264. wait, it was Kramer and Jerry I think. Constanza was nowhere to be seen.

  265. You are not debating though are you, JonJon?

  266. Who could I be?

  267. Who are talking about? Relationship George or Independent George?

  268. i wish i could obsess over somebody as much as you alex to the point where i forget all things arsenal and i copy that persons style and grammer…theres a phrase known as a blog stalker and i think that phrase applies to you….

    wierdo

  269. oh i was though frank…

    i actually said i agreed with passenal and then i said i found the last comment confusing and i stated why….

    then stalker alex decides to not debate that and just take the piss…

    why????

    what for????

    because hes a wierdo

  270. Who doesn’t like to take the piss, when the piss is always there for the taking?

    I wouldn’t

  271. FFS what the fuck is going on here. This is me.

    JonJon, I never forget Kieran Gibbs. Has he just signed a new long term contract? If he has I missed it.

  272. If anyone is being fucking stalked here it is me.

  273. G4E

    you take the piss out of english so i wouldnt go too far with what you have to say next…

    whats happening frank???

    which one are you???

    looks like you have a stalker too mate

  274. hahaha now this i find funny…

  275. Anyway the point is that JW and AR have just signed long-term contracts. New ones. Very, very important. If Kieran signs a new one then that will be too.

  276. …jon jon you are solely responsible for sucking the life out of me and reducing me to a jon jon….you blame me for stalking you…what…it is you who came to stalk me and everyone else on this blog…

    …imo this is a very sad thing you have done to me jon jon..imo…..am just debating here…can you please just talk football to me…i dont understand anything else…just football please…am very good at understanding football imo…

  277. i thought keiran had signed, frank or not frank?? lol

  278. G4E, definitely independent George. Relationship George too busy faking a job to get the girl.

  279. im glad ive had that much of an impact on you alex…

    personally i dont give a toss about blogging….i just do it for fun….my life wouldnt be any worse if i dont blog so whatever names you call or whatever you wanna do i dont give two shits because theres more to life…it just makes me laugh how some people can take not talking about arsenal yet taking the piss so seriously…

    whereas i could imagine that you need this place to give you something to live for….you need someone like me to give you something new to play with….

    im honoured i give you so much satisfaction…truly… and you dont have to say thankyou alex…i know mate… i know… your more than welcome…

  280. You are aware that I am referring to announcements made yesterday and today are’nt you, JonJon? Or are you more interested in speculating about who we might sign?

  281. If you’re a paranoid English man Jonjo…there is nothing I can do about it.

    As far as I’m concerned, I have seen nothing bad from the English people I knew, and it’s a country I lived in and admire. nothing more to say in that respect.

    But let’s talk about GRIT

    It seems that you’re saying that only English players can have English GRIT. You don’t think that players from other nationalities can have GRIT too? Isn’t that kind of racist? :)

  282. I like Independent George…

  283. It is funny, not wanting to stir things up, but Wenger literally says, regarding Adebayor, unless OG can correct my interpretation of the french interview, “if he doesn’t want to stay, then he will leave, but I think he will be at arsenal this season”.

    That is not quite the same as saying that he will be staying.

  284. Excellent!!!
    http://riflessioniquotidiane.wordpress.com

  285. “whereas i could imagine that you need this place to give you something to live for….you need someone like me to give you something new to play with….”

    An all time great quote JonJon. All motivational speakers will use this line from now on. AW should use you at half time to say this to our players mate. You have me all fired up.

  286. Muppet,

    Quite possibly that is right and it would not surprise me. Wenger has never come across as someone who tried to make a wantaway player stay. I think he’s got the reputation as a fair boss who is only interested in those committed to the plan. If you’re not committed there is no place for you at The Arsenal and he is happy to see you go.

  287. Gris Gris,

    Exactly. Spot on.

  288. no G4E

    i never said that i never mentioned a thing about english grit…..that was you who said that when you were talking with ateeb and nobody else brought it up but you…. i just asked you why you said it and you said you like to take the piss… sounds pretty conclusive to me mate… two non englishmen taking the piss out of the english unprovoked…. i dont know what else you’d call it…and i dont know how you can defend it…if it was a private joke then that makes it even worse…

    you arent the only one though and it wasnt for the first time…which suggests to me it is a private joke amongst a handful of you…. shame…

    give it up G4E your digging a massive hole….and im the fucker that will fill it in….

    but theirs nothing wrong with speculation frank….whats wrong with speculation exactley???? its what fans have done fo decades and its what the summer is all about…..

    whats wrong with it….are you scared that the naughty bad men at the news of the world will read this and publish it as their top story tomorrow???

    like they need an excuse to write about adebayor…he gives them enough fuel all by himself with that gob of his… he doesnt need the fans to do it for him….

  289. Muppet,

    The one thing Wenger didn’t say in that quote, however much it might be subject to interpretation, is that Adebayor is leaving.

    It’s more accurate to say “Adebayor will stay” because Arsene does say he thinks he will stay. And also said we’ll keep the same team we had last season.

  290. muppet i would like to thank you on that clarification a friend of mine also said the same thing

    that doesnt sound like wengers too bothered to me…

    and i know theres others who actually want ade to stay that would agree with me…

  291. Good lord!

  292. The term `gritty` tends to apply to a certain type of player which maybe has been attributed more to English / British players in the past.

    It`s pretty much a sweeping statement though as I don`t remember the likes of Le Tissier , Hoddle , Bowles etc having much `grit`.

    It`s almost like saying we need some Gallic flair (Cygan), some Scandinavian cool (Limpar) or some Italian style (Gattuso).

    In other words it`s just an innacurate sterotype

  293. OG – agree. Yes, I also got the thrust of the comments about evolution of the team and keeping it together. This is welcome news.

    JonJon – Yes. But I’m not going to indulge in mindless speculation. If Wenger is relaxed about the player it might be because, as Gris Gris has pointed out, if the player is not 100% committed then it is better to get another player. On the other hand it sounds like Wenger is happy if Adebayor stays and proves his commitment, which is possibly a million miles away from the position of the anti-adebayor brigade, such as yourself, who believes that he is a destructive influence, not of arsenal quality, and should go.

  294. paulie..

    g4e specifically stated english grit…he mentioned an english fan from 1966 all in the same sentance and it was a mocking sentance in a private joke that was happening between him and ateeb…

    i wasnt involved in the conversation and i asked g4e why he said it….he just carried on taking the piss….

    im sorry to say im english and i found it ofensive….i dont care what anybody thinks i know what i saw…..and im not as stupid as what some on here make out i am….

  295. i wont argue with that muppet…

  296. “if it was a private joke then that makes it even worse…”

    Well, that’s the thing…it was not private because only you trying to find something out of nothing…You trying to take the moral high ground or something?….You’re better than us, right? You know more football than us? You know Cliff Bastin and we’re so ignorant? You You You…right?

    “give it up G4E your digging a massive hole….and im the fucker that will fill it in….”

    I’m glad you know who you are, by the way…are you going to fill the hole with sh8t or Grit, or maybe a mix of both?

  297. asz

  298. Finally. I am alive again, on this blog, offcourse.

    G4E you’re a star, lol.

    Traore will come good.

    Owen will not go to Manu.

    Marc, what sort of money? Senna can’t be more than 3-5m. IMO. And I don’t see us going for him, unless due to some unfortunate turn of events RM decides to buy Song, Denilson and Diaby for a combined fee of 150m.

  299. You may not be as stupid as we think, but you’re not that bright either.

  300. Have ACLF commenters become something of an obssession for you, JonJon? Are you driven to make it all like your own blog? And LeGrove maybe, do you want us to be like the posters on leGrove? What is it you want JonJon? When will you be satisfied? You seem driven. But after all this time I can barely empathise with anything you write.

  301. Welcome back Ateeb.

  302. I’m glad the f**** has had a moment of realization. Good for him. Self criticism is a great place to begin, when it comes to reforming ones life. Let’s all hope that he gets better, and in time don’t consider himself a f*****.

  303. you show a total lack of respect g4e….

    theres alot of overseas gooners on here that i have alot of respect for….you are a sham and a massive let down to them….

    and you say the arsenal dont need fans like me…the so called doomers…

    well id say it was more like we dont need fans like you….the racists….kick racism out g4e….kick it out….

    piss off back to where ever your from and take that smug fucking attitude with you you disrespectful prick…..you dont like the english??? you think its funny to mock us??? then why the fuck do you live here??? knob….

  304. Yawn yawn,

    “theres alot of overseas gooners on here that i have alot of respect for….you are a sham and a massive let down to them….”

    I’ve seen you respect them by degrading African football and African players. I’ve seen how you resort to childish ” Have you been to the stadium” shots. Now I can go on a bit more, but there is no point to that now or is there?

  305. Well if it helps JonJon…he doesnt live here.

  306. Thanks G4E. I see you and your friend are getting along really nicely:)

  307. even fucking worse then… alex

  308. Ge*ff: ” It’s alright Ade saying that Evra’s comment about men against babies was disrespectful but even the most ardent AKB must admit he had a big point.”

    I sometimes find it difficult to believe that we’re supposedly supporting the same team.

  309. ateeb….you are just as bad

    and how have i mocked africans please ateeb….when???

    fuck off…

  310. The only one thing I don’t understand about ACLFers is the obsession with Le Grove. I find them rather uninfluential and really irrelevant. I don’t even find their ideas particularly insidious. What you find on the site is a bunch of babies and and attention-grabbers, but the quality of the discussion never really grabbed me.

    Ateeb; Fuck Geoff!

  311. Ateeb even by his usual abysmal standards G*off’s post was absolute tripe today.

  312. You’ve got a short memory span. I don’t know the medical terms for your conditions. But it seems every day is new for you, and you begin it with a clean slate. What you do and what is handed to you on daily basis, is completely forgotten(medical condition) or for the sake of conveniance, ignored, on your part. But why am I writing this when I know you would neither get it, nor remember it tommorow? I am learning, I suppose.

  313. Ateeb, JonJon played the least the lead character in 50 first dates. Its a movie with a light take on the issue of short term memory loss. He got the part because he was a natural. He did’nt have to act.

  314. Ole I couldn’t aggree more. But one should also know what else is out there. And the posts are unintentionally very funny, especially when they he resorts to playing armchair manager, only to contradict his selected players a few weeks later. And come on, when a person suggests that ” Arshavin was signed because we’ve been going on about him on our blog”, you just can’t stop laughing at their delusional crap. Speaking of delusional crap, I think yawn yawn, is pretty delusional himself.

  315. Alex,

    You’re suggesting it is Adam Sandler who goes by the name of Jon Jon. I won’t be surprised, he looks thick in all his movies. Really, really thick.

  316. FFS here we go again…

    you dont answer the question cos you cant….you resort to taking the piss….again…your so clever i wish i could do that….

    jonjon you are adam sandler you are thick….

    WTF… ateeb are you like 6 or something????

    this blog is full of wierdos and racists and children…. YW must be proud of the shite he has commenting on here…

    jonjon wannabe alex and adweeb played dumb and dumber in that movie…. what was it called again i forgot???? and they acted natural they didnt have to act….

    tehehehehehehehe….

    fucking geeks….

  317. Your attempt at humour is funny JonJon.

  318. Is “digging a massive hole” some kind of obscene homosexual jargon?

  319. that wasnt humour jonjon err sorry alex i was taking the piss out of you…

  320. Jon Jon,

    You answer Pz’s question and I will answer yours.

  321. It was bad enough when we had QoS talking about filling holes. Now we have JonJon threatening to fill the dry hole that he claims (most implausibly) G4E has been “digging.” It’s a free country, JonJon, but what has it to do with Arsenal?

  322. Oh blimey! Here we go again….

    Best players leave for foreign cliimbs and all that come in are over the hill past it crocks….

    No, not Arsenal, this is ManU we is talkin about! United ARE signing Owen…

    Why the fuck didnt Wenger sign him???? Too busy chatting shit in malaysia I bet… And dont even get me started on that Boro keeper the chavs have signed…. on a fookin free no less! We shudve signed him! Grrrr

  323. Q-o-s:
    Derby fan here! this blog came up on a google alert so I thought i’d have a look.
    I think I might know the player you’re on about.
    Has he just joined Burton Albion from Walsall by any chance?

  324. i’ll reply to that in two ways

    1…only a homosexual would think of linking a comment like that to being homosexual

    2…whats wrong with homosexuals?? have you lot got a problem with that too??? because again you seem to be using it in a phrase to mock someone…you are clever people but you should really think about what you say before you say it…

    i reckon a few of you have got a touch of the adebayors….

    in simple terms…

    you chat shit….

  325. You really answered that?

    I am going to sleep now.

  326. once again ive never been so glad to see spike…
    lol

    have you noticed spike that even though manure have all these millions…. that they wanna spend it all on players like valencia and maybe owen???

    splashing the cash hard there on the worlds finest

    id rather not spend any at all…

  327. United have a huge debt to service, not like ours, which is basically a mortgage and therefore a means to an end, theres is just a humoungous great cavernous bottomless hole that the Glazers just need to shovel money into….

    They will spend on players no doubt, but they will balance the books and leave enough to try and cover their billion $ debt….

  328. Erm is there any news on the Board meeting today?

    I simply cannot think about that Uzbek United supporting twat getting his hands on more shares and closer to his goal of betting onto the board and then what??? Gawd no!

  329. i think we are seeing the start of the fall of the empire spike…

    the glaziers have shoved the biggest banana in the manure exhaust and its beginning to take its toll…..

    they’ll never be the same…the loss of ronaldo will hit them harder than vieiras was for us….

    oh well…see how the mighty can fall…

  330. i dunno what happened at the meeting spike…probably a big FU

  331. “shoved the biggest banana in the manure exhaust”

    Will you stop using using obscene language?

  332. Well, I dont know exactly what United have to do to get some bad press??? They have an unservicable debt that is on the club, not the owners, they have raised ticket prices more than anyone and cut back on reserve and yute teams as well as many other unpublicied money saving excercises… Their best player has gone and they couldnt even hold onto a player who wanted to sty there….

    Yet, all is good and we are fucked coz we released 8 youth team players and Gallas wants to stay next season????

    Go figure?

  333. Polizi;

    You are incorrigible!

  334. Just as I thought. “Digging” is an obscenity. It does involve “manure exhausts,” but it doesn’t mean exactly what I thought. In fact, it means something that I would never have imagined anyone doing.

  335. spike we could win the PL the CL, wimbledon, the grand national and the formula one constuctors championship and all would still not be well at arsenal according to the media…

    just ignore em spike i do…i like to laugh at the stories…

    ive seen the same story everyday this week about senderos leaving and the price ranges from 2 mil to 9 mil and it always the same people….

    sometimes when i fancy a laugh i read a paper or two…good fun…

  336. poli…

    i’ll give you that one… lol..

  337. I havent read a tabloid newspaper in years… But its thr drip drip drip effect it has on all other media sources and therefore the public in general, they constantly spout their shite and lies, eventually it is taken on by the rest of the media and seeps down into the psyche of joe public….

    Just like the WMD lies before the yanks and UK inveded Iraq…

  338. “wait, it was Kramer and Jerry I think. Constanza was nowhere to be seen.”

    Better late than never, but it was Kramer and Newman

    Are Man U really going for Owen? Things must be really tough up there!

  339. The statements today by Wenger today in the press is evidence that he has totally and utterly lost the plot. The policy of youth has backfired already and he has given a massive hint that no further players are required. Everybody with a tape measure knows that it’s players over 6ft that will make a difference to our defence, but it appears that Wenger doesn’t see that. I pray to god that Wenger will read this blog and get a tape measure.

    Real Madrid is concrete proof that spending phenomenal amounts of money brings success. They have 9 european cups. We have none. If anybody dares contradict me, look it up on Wikipedia. It will be there. I will be right. We’ve been saying for ages that Wenger needs to spend spend spend. And not on youth players. What’s the point of paying them too much money ? They should be thankful and we should tell them to clean the boots of Fabregas. That should be enough.

    And there is still the lies from the board. Lies, lies, lies. They tell us we have money, yet they don’t tell us how much. Gazidis spins like a DJ, and is an AKB. You can tell he’s an AKB cos he has a big nose. It’s groundhog day boys, prepare yourself for a season of lies, deceit, mediocrity and spin.

  340. Why are you commenting on this blog, JonJon? Are you on a mission?. You only seem to like Spike and Joe and one or two others and you resent the fact that quite a number of the commenters like each other. It is patently obvious that you don’t understand many of the commenters from your reactions and you clearly do not share the same sense of humour. You also have two other sites at least that you frequent and one you might call home. So why irritate the hell out of yourself and bore everyone but a few, witless?

  341. Passenal;

    Owen has suddenly gona from being a past it crock with huge wage demands to a quality striker and bargain of the century, well, now that United are reportedly in for him…

  342. frank…beleive it or not i actually like you….

    i like passenal, consolsbob, pauln, grisgris, QoS, arsenehollis, i even like ole….oh yeah and Chris Goona..im sure theres others but i cant remember names yet…..

    and i understand some of the commentors perfectly….i just dont like the people who seem to make constant fun of others…in a way its a form of bullying cos one leads to two and two leads to three and its always the same people so no i dont really like them….but if you like bullying as a sence of humour then your not the man i thought you was….

    i comment on here because i like it…or i wouldnt keep coming back…the intelligent people are good to debate with the children are good to have a laugh at….i dont care what they write about me its just a blog.. if it was a pub it would be alot different….but it isnt so i dont care….thats why you wont drive me away….im not as sensitive as some of you think i am…or as some of you are on here…..

  343. yeah i noticed that spike….owen has no future and his futures in turmiol because hull want him and the next minute hes the best striker that doesnt play for england…

    go figure

  344. Why can’t we all just get along?

    Why does it have to be like this?

    Why were there diced carrots in my bed after that heavy night out on the town, when I never even eat any?

  345. WANTED

  346. ???

  347. I don’t live their Jonjo…I lived there before, obviously you have a problem retaining information, that’s beside the obvious lack of intelligence, and if anything..you’re a disgrace to your own people.

    Before you ask me to piss off back to where I belong, why don’t you f*ck off back to your gritty sh*t blog you came from?

    The racist is you who says that English players are entitled to “grit” because they are English and nobody else can be gritty.

  348. Cobby – at the risk of appearing rude, i wouldn’t like to say because i feel i should respect his privacy by not naming him.

    Also I think Phil Brown is enough of a twunt to sue for libel or something!

    Out of interest…how did you rate the player you think it might be?

  349. There’s no point in responding to JonJon’s absurd accusations. They’re just a pile of grit. I don’t know where he got this racism rubbish from. I haven’t noticed anyone on here being anti-English. A few people don’t like the England football team, but JonJon is one of them, so that can’t be the problem. He was pleased to label me anti-English, even though I have spent a lot of years there in total.

  350. I assumed i’d missed a row where the alleged racism took place to be honest…

    For me the cultural diversity is one of this blogs key strengths

  351. I’m intrigued by this word “twunt.” I assume it’s formed from the first two letters of **** and the last three letters of ****. Why not, instead, use the first letter of ****, and the last two of ****, giving “cat,” which would be less rude, and in a way more appropriate?

  352. I think he is an absolute perfect professional. He will run through brick walls for the cause. Fairly solid defender, but has had a torrid time with injury. Got a trick or two. Tore his Cruciate Ligament during a game in a tackle, got up and won a second tackle before getting treatment. Then he relieved treatment before trying to run it off.

    If it is the player in question, then that could possibly could be the injury you refer to.

  353. whats with the racism thing?

    Night all!

  354. nope wrong again g4e

    i said in the arguement that arose after that you dont have to be english to have grit…but when you take the piss out of something and specifically use the word english with it it shows a lack of respect…..or any nationality for that matter….if it was the other way round g4e it wouldnt be funny…no it wouldnt… that person would be hunted down on here and attacked in the wolf like pack you all have….. the fact that people stick up for you just shows what anti english pricks are on this site….

    its like me saying that the yanks are a set of sister fucking inbred ponces because they wear helmets and robocop like gear when the play rugby and they are a trigger happy set of silly fucks that cant tell the difference between friends and enemies in a war……im sure that would cause uproar…..more than sure….it wouldnt be nice would it…rather disprespectfull i would of thought…..especially when our major shareholder is a yank….

    so its just like you taking the piss with ateeb and saying that this team needs the perfect english grit and the perfect english gritty fan from 66 because they are the perfect supporters and players in a sentance that is clearly taking the piss….

    you were making a mockery of the english….and it was totally unprovoked….you were the first to mention it…so you have no excuses

    which is thick as fuck when you say support an english club in an english country that has provided us with some of the most legendary english players of all time…

  355. You’re a maniac, JonJon.

    Is it good or bad to have grit? It’s an ambiguous term. Whether it’s good or bad, G4E, Ateeb, and others dispute that it is a typical characteristic of the English. They are rejecting a stereotype. Describing people as “a set of sister fucking inbred ponces” is not ambiguous. I don’t know if it can be called a stereotype, because I have never heard Americans described so by anyone else; but it is certainly a generalisation, an absurd and offensive generalisation. Thus there is no correspondence between G4E’s words and your own imagined example.

  356. No Jonjo…you’re wrong as always…

    People here stick for me because they knew me through 3 years of posting..never racist, never will be, because I’m in a minority group myself and know what racism is all about.

    I don’t think you do though. It seems that you’re defining racism in a way that no one understand here, maybe only in a way your little mind can comprehend, I don’t think you’re that intelligent to baffle us all.

    So how is asking to replace Ateeb, with the “Perfect English fan from 1966″ is racist? If any thing Ateeb should be upset with me for replacing him with an English fan. :)

    I’m sorry to say you are far too stupid than I thought you were to waste my time on false accusations, you remind me of Ethan, or maybe you’re Ethan? That’s exactly why you came here, to instigate and change this blog to a stupid blog like the one you came from.

    Only out of respect for Yogi Warrior, and the many many good people I know here on this blog, I will leave it at that.

    So, f*ck off “My Friend”

  357. Thanks Poliziano for pointing out the blatant racist remark he made. I’m not going to respond to it because that’s the difference between me and him.

  358. Dear JonJon

    “if it was a pub it would be a lot different”?

    please explain what you mean!

  359. G4E is no racist thats for sure?

  360. That was supposed to be a ! not a ?

    . thats for G4E!

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  362. I personally believe that Traore is a wonderful talent full of potential. May be Wenger can create some magic and convert him from a winger to striker “a la ” Thierry Henry. He has pace, trickery, dribbling abilities, strength, height, technically he is outstanding. The question is can he score goals like a striker? What does anyone think??

  363. Michel, if anyone can convert a player it is Wenger.

  364. For the 1000th time – don’t feed the troll. People like that come here for a fight. Ignore them folks & they shout and shout and nobody listens. It’s beautiful trust me. DNFTT

  365. steww, excellent point again. Hope all the regulars get together to do that today. Yesterday the bait was too much for me not to take!

  366. ….Arsenal…

  367. Pure entertainment from Chelski: http://www.chelseafc.com/page/LatestNews/0,,10268~1712156,00.html

  368. I’ll be so glad when the football starts again as I’m heartily sick of silly season

  369. 16 days to the first pre-season

    We love you Arsenal…We do
    We love you Arsenal…We do
    AaaRrsenal…….We can’t wait to see You

  370. …clickclickclick…

  371. I think we will play with a 4 – 2 – 3 – 1 formation

    Defense: from Gallas/ Toure/ Vanmeeren/ Djourou/ Clichy/ Sagna/ Eboue/ Gibbs/ Silvestre/

    Defensive mid: from Cesc/ Nasri/ Song/ Dennilson/ Ramsey/ Diaby/ Eboue

    Offensive mid: from Cesc/ Arshavin/ Nasri/ Bendtner/ RVP/ Vela/ Wallcot/ Diaby/ Rosiscky/ Wilshere

    Offence: from Edu/ Ade/ RVP/ Bendtner/ Vela

  372. ‘We love you Arsenal…We do
    AaaRrsenal…….We can’t wait to see You’

    That was a little bit gay wasn’t it?

  373. It has been reported that some stars at Arsenal are demanding a showdown over the lack of ambition by the club as reflected in their transfer market dealings and insistence on a wage cap that is putting off any serious players being interested in joining the club.

    It is hard to know were they get this story from but considering anything that gets reported in Spain about discontent at arsenal nearly always goes back to one source, ie, the club captain Cesc Fabregas it is hardly a surprise.

    It is becoming clear that there is disharmony at the club, player after player seems to want to leave or at least is being linked with certain comments and from the lack of any success over the last few years it is no great shock that some people are beginning to question the wisdom of Arsene Wenger’s policies.

    The next month and a half will be a pivotal time at Arsenal.

  374. Yeah Ateeb, I for one always wear a cyanide capsule around my neck. Better ready than being faced with no transfer market activity.

  375. OG,

    The chav’s have a classy website much like their club.

  376. haha

  377. Maybe Michael Owen really will go to man utd.

  378. That’s a really good idea Alex. Do you think you can get them in Arsenal colours because there would be a lot of buyers out there?

    This could be a big idea, maybe those who wish to top themselves in despair at the terrible condition of the club could do it in public at half time. Less messy than the guillotine idea but maybe less visual and therefor less fun.

    What do you think?

  379. I prefered the other version Bob. It’s more dramatic, and you know how many wacko fans will flock towards our club with the give up your balls idea. We are arsenal, and if our fans want to bleed for the club, we will help them do it with style. Leave the cyanide capsules idea to the chavs.

  380. Also they should be hung up by cox cables for a least a week before they are done away with, and don’t forget the heads on pikes please..

  381. Still have the 50′ long cox cables Frank

  382. Yes, that’s right. I did think that the visuals for the tumbrils were probably better, all those buckets of balls and the wailing and gnashing of teeth would look and sound inpresive – especially on a home cinema.

  383. Good Morning G4E, you racist old bastard you.

  384. Good morning my gritty old Britt friend :)

  385. Don’t make me mad!

  386. As for that piss taker Ateeb, well, what can you say?

    Actually, as our old friend Ponyboy once said, taking the P is the essence of a very English sense of humour.

    Mind you, he did say that it usually given and taken without offence.

  387. drink some Cider old friend, or is it too early for cider?

  388. A little G4E, a little. Maybe this afternoon when I am cheering on whoever it is against that dour Scot Murray.

  389. Sounds like a good plan, I can’t drink anything right now…it’s 2:30 am and I should go to bed

  390. Im with you bob. I cant stand that boring, characterless, dour, boring i said boring,dull,scot either. I tried to get behind him but he is too bloody annoying.

  391. New post guys.


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