Posted by: Yogi's Warrior | July 1, 2009

Cana Dig It? Yes, You Can & All White On The Night

Oh dear Arsene, what are you going to do? Felipe Melo has signed a new contract extension, which explains the transfer buzz that was created around him, at Fiorentina to whom will you turn now that your primary target has probably got a hugely inflated escape clause surrounding him?

Well, step forward Lorik Cana of Marseille. Don’t hold the fact that Tottenham are reportedly interested, against him; even ‘Appy ‘Arry can be right sometimes. You’ve got loads of room at London Colney now that eight youngsters have been released so what is stopping you? After all, a million of the YouTube generation cannot be wrong. Can they?

Things may be moving along as we speak in any case. Arsene was quoted in French newspaper, Le Dauphine , so he must be in France either sorting out the signing of Karim Benzema or Cana’s. Quite probably though he was on holiday when he put forward his rationale for not signing a contract with Real Someoneelsesmoney:

Real was directed towards the football-spectacle. But another dimension exists: to have success by building a team with a style, a know-how, a culture of play specific to the club, to young people. It is that one which I chose. I am in a construction project with a young team. I want to go to the end. My pleasure comes from seeing them practising the football which I like

Or to put it another way: Real wanted to spend shedloads of cash which demands immediate results and even with the players that are signed, they still won’t achieve global domination and I’ll end up sacked. Actually, I prefer Wenger’s more prosaic and less cynical version. There was a report earlier in the week that suggested coffee drinkers are more positive in the morning so perhaps I’ll give that a go, rather than my usual ten cups of tea.

Back to Wenger. He is often derided as being parsimonious and turned off by spending huge sums of money on players. He set about demolishing that one:

The sums can appear shocking, but they are the result of a calculation carried out by the investor. It is necessary to disregard moral judgement and to question of profitability of the operation

There is that element of it but football is not like that. People get envious when huge sums are splashed around, not wanting to be left off of the merry-go-round. However when demanding that vast sums are spent on one or two players, quite often those who are already at the club are ignored. The quality that exists at Arsenal is underrated by our own supporters at times yet envied to a degree by supporters at other clubs who recognise that the time of delivery is upon us. In the ‘I want it all, I want it now‘ world of football, patience is a virtue in short supply.

Defensively, if Diaby really is bulking up with a personal trainer, we may be a lot better placed than is believed. Like Song and Denilson, the Frenchman divides opinion in much the same way Flamini did before having his season in the sun in central midfield. Before that, Flamini had shown he was a useful squad member and nothing more, certainly not good enough for the first team on a regular basis.

Diaby suffers the same problems as his predecessor. Rarely played in central midfield, rarely played for more than a game or two there when he does come in. All players need bedding in time and he has to an extent been his own worst enemy, injuries bedevilling his Arsenal career. It is the fitness issue which needs resolving. If Diaby is to live up to his potential, he needs to be available for more than thirty games in the Premier League. That has not happened thus far.

Elsewhere, the third kit is being widely acknowledged as well, pants. Which I have to say, I disagree with. There is nothing wrong with a white third kit since it will be worn, well, once or twice at the most and frankly, it could have been a whole lot worse. How? Look at Newcastle’s away kit for answers. Or the United home kit. Or their new away kit. Christ, it’s white and frankly you cannot go much wrong with white.

’til Tomorrow.


Responses

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  2. Dont think Cana is any better than what we already have ..

    On a different topic.. Me and my manu frnd is having a big fight on who is a better judge of talent? AW or Alex F ? Need some help in proving that AW is ahead.. Any statistics / analysis or better still a site with AW’s signings with numbers would help..

  3. No help for you, bops. You shouldn’t have friends who support man utd.

  4. Looks like a Spurs kit. Horrible.

  5. How come nobody mentioned the new kit when it was first worn?

  6. “Me and my manu frnd is having a big fight on who…”. Man U friend? Sort your life out.

  7. Great post. I’m glad you bring up the point about patience and our ‘want it now’ attitude. It frustrates me to no end that people complain (Arsenal and opposition fans, media hacks and ‘pundits’ alike) about us not spending money, when the reality is that we have recently spent almost 400 M on the new stadium. How is that not investing in the team? It improves our global image, allows the team to play on one of the best pitches ever made in sport, makes us able to increase match-day revenues, and acts as venue for both non-Arsenal and non-footballing events. How many football clubs are able to host the Brazilian national team, as well as Bruce Springsteen?

    We are spoiled supporters, and seem to have the tendency to forget things very quickly, and its a shame. We are in a very good position going into July, I am sure we’ll have one (maybe two) more new players in by the time pre-season comes around.

  8. Wenger mentioned in his chat about why he turned down Real that to buy any more than 3 players in a close season is dangerous!

    Do you think this means there are 2 more arrivals on the cards?

  9. Bops – Just say “Fabregas or Anderson?” and then call him a cunt and get some gooner mates.

  10. Clockend..

    Dont you have any frnds who support a different club ? Or is it that you choose ur frnds based on what club they support rather than their qualities ??

  11. What Wenger doesn’t realize is that if you pay over-inflated prices for players, it shows “intent”, and that’s what matters now. If it turns out that the player wasn’t really any good in the first place like David Bentley at sp*rs for example, well, at least you showed some intent by buying him. Look on the bright side, you could of paid a lot less for him and showed less intent, now that would’ve been a mistake!

    Fans these days don’t have the patience to watch a player and decide for themselves if he is good or not. They want to know right now whether he’s a good signing. Is Vermaelen a good signing? Yes, but not because he is a good football player. He is a good signing because he’s a centre-back, 6 foot tall, and was bought quickly for a tasty sum of money. That my friends, shows INTENT!

  12. Bops, one does’nt require too many websites to prove that point.

    In the last 13 years since the arrival of AW Ferguson has mostly bought emerged talents and not emerging talents with a few exceptions. Buying talents like Rooney – 26 million, Ferdinand – 28 million, Carrick – 17 million, Berbatov – 30 million, Hargreaves – 18 million, Nistelrooy – 19 million is easy if you have the money backed by the ManU brand name. Everybody knew exactly how good these players were before Ferguson bought them.

    In the emerging talent bracket Fergie has had quite a few gambles which have’nt succeeded yet like Nani – 16 million, Anderson – 17 million, Da Silva Twins – 15 million etc and some successes like buyin Ronaldo when he was 18 though he cost a then princely 12.2 million.

    Wenger bought players like Anelka, Henry, Vieira, Overmars, Edu, Kanu, Van Persie, Fabregas, Adebayor, Clichy and Sagna for a fraction of the cost that Ferguson paid for players of similar or lesser ability. Its a non contest.

  13. I don’t care how much potential Diaby has, he will never be defensive minded and risking a season on his ability to play that way could be suicidal. It may be a revelation, but its a risk not worth taking. If wenger buys someone he knows can play DM, he can play diaby now and again or bring him on when we’re two up and then decide whether he can play the role or not.

  14. Pz

    The third kit hasn’t been worn yet which is probably why no-one has moaned about it until now.

    HTH

    YW

  15. bops..

    I think that it might well have been, well you know,–a joke…

  16. I hopes ones a keeper as I feel its are only weak position. Almunia will be great but Fab gets a bit nervous and shits his pants

  17. Point of Diaby is not his physical strength, It’s that he dwells on the ball too long and gets caught. Even if he gets stronger unless he can speed up his thought process , it won’t make too much difference.

  18. And bops, you can always mention the names of Veron, Djemba Djemba, Kleberson, Nani, Berbatov big money buys who delivered shit.

  19. Diaby will be the greatest DM of all time ever.

  20. Potter, you are right about the fact that Diaby needs to decrease the time he takes to release the ball but if he becomes fitter, stronger and faster after his training this summer, he can run at defenders even more than before.

    He has the ability to beat defenders and his team mates can run forward in the anticipation that Diaby will pass to them after beating his man.

  21. I aggree with the doomers today. Especially Potter, Frost and Tony Adams. Diaby needs to play Need for Speed, at maximum difficulty level to speed up his thought process.

  22. Or he needs to get into those T.V shows, where they give you a few minutes to get into a Store, and buy like crazy. That would help.

  23. Well..

    Thanks Tony A, Alex, Barney

    Poliz.. Well how can you kick some man u ass if u dont have frnds who support man u..

    Well I did some digging and seems AW had some great signings during his career in AS Monaca. He had signed Weah, Klinsman and even Hoddle( a cunt tho he is)..

  24. I’m moaning about the kit. It’s shit, looks like a baseball outfit and I think it’s time nike’s monopoly on football merchandise was ended! We haven’t had a decent away kit for years and when your traditional colours are red and white or yellow and blue, why do you need a third kit anyway?

  25. Of course the new kit has been worn. The photographs on the Arsenal website clearly show it being worn in a full stadium.

  26. Ateeb! I have told you beore. Stop messing with their heads.

  27. Bops makes a sound point – is Cana better than the existing central midfielders? I know I am asking for trouble by mentioning those three words that seem to split opinions down the middle – Song, Diaby and Denilson – but we would be bringing in someone who would need time to adapt, where as Song and Denilson at least seemed to be getting better as last season progressed. Song in particular seems to me to have all the attributes of a potentially great defensive midfielder, but I accept that he is not the finished article.

    The other question is Nasri. Arsene played him centrally in several matches last season, and not just because of injuries. With Rosicky back and Arshavin in top form, would Nasri get in as an attacking midfileder? A midfield of:

    Rosicky – Fabregas – Nasri – Arshavin

    Would be great going forward, but would it be too lightweight?

  28. Or maybe Diaby could try to give his SATS in half the time.

  29. Trevor Booking’s comments on the U-21s and technique: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article6613315.ece

    Heartwarming.

  30. The point some have made about the preferential treatment Man U get in the press is very valid. They have lost two key players who will need some replacing if they have to be even as strong as they were last season. To replace Ronaldo they would require two players – a winger (Valencia) and a striker. Then there is the task of replacing Tevez.

    There is a high chance that Ferguson will alter his formation and playing style next season. I doubt they will be as incisive on the break as they were before. Owen Hargreaves is unlikely to start the season and Giggs and Scholes have understandably suffered a decline with age.

    I can imagine the headlines if we were in the Mancs position. “PLAYER EXODUS AT ARSENAL”. “Arsenal is a selling club!” are just two headlines that instantly come to mind.

  31. Nick

    The question is valid but it is missing a vital element in that the squad will be rotated on a regular basis through injuries. The chances of AW having his first choice midfield available for more than 60% of the season are pretty low. I would be surprised if Rosicky was not on the bench for most of the summer / autumn until they are sure of his fitness.

    Nasri in the DM role has good forward distribution but like Song, Diaby and Denilson, is still learning his trade. Is he physically ready for the role in the PL since this is something that the D&G brigade constantly bang on about.

    Personally, I would go for Diaby and I think Wenger will as well.

    YW

  32. l really do not see us signing a central mid fielder. l think that you are right about Diaby being shipped out to so called “beef up”. l can really see him being put in like Flamini was pre season 2 years ago and coming thorugh. Remember it was quoted that Wenger had Diaby in mind that season but Flamini played so well he kept him out.

    Adebayor will go, we will buy another striker and then we are done.

    Unfortunately l do not see much more

  33. Serious discussion going on today Bob. That was a bit light midfield that Nick suggested. But no one is really helping me out with suggestions to improve diaby’s speed process.

    How about he made to drive a F1 car, for the next month? With his life hanging by the thread, he will learn. And he will learn fast, and he will release the ball faster.

  34. Stevesai,

    Where do you see yourself 3 years from now?

  35. I think the Swiss training specialists have a program to increase bulk and improve reaction times. They recommend this daily schedule:

    5 X 2-hour long Whack-a-Mole sessions at maximum intensity.

    4 X 30 minute bursts of tetris on level 9, with eyelids pinned back and lubricative eyedrops administered at intervals of 30 seconds.

  36. “Personally, I would go for Diaby and I think Wenger will as well.

    YW”

    Arsene has been planning on a Cesc/Diaby partnership for the last 2 seasons but it has always been the latter’s fitness that has stood in the way. Hopefully his work this summer will have prepared him well to finally deliver in a central midfield position.

  37. Maybe Diaby could be made to join the bomb disposal squad. I can gurantee that his thought speed process will be enhanced.

    On a more different and serious note. Madrid seems to have signed Benzema, as reports suggests.

  38. Ateeb,

    Making Diaby play Pro Evo may be one solution dont you think? Championship manager may be too easy for him. Everybody seems to be find it easy. Sell X, Buy Y. Simple.

  39. No good strikers in the market who can come and take up Ade’s place this season. Anyone who comes will need some time to settle down. For that reason hope Ade stays just to prove a point. By next season am pretty sure Nicky B will be ready.

    And regarding the midfield enforcer does anyone see a good talent anywhere ? I really dont see anyone other than the ones we cant buy ie Essien, Mascherano, Diarra, Flamini..

    And as in above anyone comin from a diff league will take time to adapt..

    Hope anyone of denilson, song and diaby do a flamini next season..

  40. I lost my comment earlier, but Whack-a-Mole at maximum intensity would help build up bulk and improve reaction times. All the specialists recommend it.

  41. I agree YW; it is too much to hope that injuries will not cast their usual shadow, and we need a strong squad. I guess my question is who will Arsene go for with all his options open? Assuming everyone is available, who will start that fist game at the Emirates?

    I hope that Diaby does address the issues mentioned elsewhere on the post; he gives us someting different in terms of dribbling and height if the rest can be sorted out.

  42. Alex,

    That won’t help speed up his thought process. If anyone needs to play PES it is Arsene. Heck, almost july and just one signing. Look at Livpool, Chelsea and Manu, they’ve bought so much.

    I think Diaby can be asked to name 50 names of flowers in 1 minute. He might need some practise.

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  44. I would like to see Denilson pull a Denilson next season. Flamini can go f*** himself.

  45. I agree that it’s most likely Wenger won’t buy any more midfielders.

    I’m looking forward to seeing all the Denilson-haters groan and grunt as they realize they have to put up with his brilliant interceptions and match-consistency for another season.

  46. You mean Flamini can pull a Flamini?

  47. Stevesai

    “Unfortunately l do not see much more”

    Unfortunately we have a brilliant squad – keep ur chin up

  48. Why would we wish any of our players to pull a Flamini and go sit on the bench at the San Siro..??

    To all those Flamini lovers, he misses us more than we miss him… the guy is a tosspot

  49. When will these players learn that laving Arsenal to sit on the bench somewhere else is possibly not the best career move.

    Hleb, moved to Barca, sat on the bench could now end up a Villa! Quality move, if you hated London wait till you get a load of Birmingham!

    Flamini, Moved to AC, sat on the bench.

    Senderos, Moved to AC, sat on the bench, now nobody wants him, except maybe Villa he could meet up with Hleb.

    And the best of all Bentley, moved and moved and moved and ended up not even good enough for the Spuds!

  50. Very naive, Poliziano (10:32am). You’ve never heard of Photoshop?

  51. bison, never heard of sarcasm?

  52. Bentley is the biggest joke, Pennant is another 1 who has suffered big time. Hes moved a few times, i thought he was gonna make it with us, just our style of play didnt suit his.. he had a wicked cross on him and still does.

    Its nice to think about these poor chaps whenever the doomers get to ya head. Its good to be an Arsenal supporter! :)

  53. I actually believe one of Diaby`s `problems` is that he`s so talented.

    Why get the ball & play a simple short pass to a teamate when you can go past an opponent or two with ease ?

    It`s part of his game that will definetly improve with experience.

    Playing wide left & only occasionally in midfield hasn`t done him any favours, particularly when the side was struggling but his best games came playing just behind Adebayor (Fener / Man U) where the competition for a place is equally fierce.

    I`d really like him make a case to be in a first choice eleven & this personal training he`s undertaking has to be a good thing.

  54. no need to get all cranky.. when I said pull a flamini.. i meant to become Premier League Midfielder of the season from a squad player..

    well he left us to sit on teh bench.. well what can you say.. he was daft..

  55. Diabys problem is that he isnt clever enough…

    he is great with the ball at his feet but the reason why he holds on to it is not because he thinks he can beat 2-3 players..its becuase he doenst know what to do with it when hes got it..

    diaby plays with his head down…very skillful yes but often gets caught out because he isnt aware of whats around him…

    therefore leading to bad judgement, holding onto the ball too long, getting himself and his teammates closed down, losing the ball in dangerous areas…

    diabys lack of intelligence combined with his skill makes him a liablity to the team…

    which is why wenger tends to play him on the wing alot because he doesnt trust him centrally…

  56. Paulie Walnuts makes a good point on Diaby; maybe its a case of too much talent combined with too little vision? If he could combine his talent with a better appreciation of what is going on around him, then we would have a world-class midfielder.

  57. Flamini can pull a cement mixer. With his teeth.

  58. QoS

    He’s more likely to pull a hamstring…

    YW

  59. Say it quietly Yogi….Flamini hears all.

  60. flamini was part of a midfeild quartet that played the most pure, flowing football the PL has ever seen

  61. the same quartet that help ade get his payrise..

  62. flamini was also part of a defence that went on a record breaking games without conceeding run in the CL

    but flamini played little part in both roles…he was just there….the others did all the work..

  63. Evolution is officially over now.

    Flamini is the solution.

  64. JonJon –

    I think Diaby would be great if his legs were a foot shorter. They get tangled up like a girraffe and he ends up giving the ball away

  65. id take flamini back in a heartbeat…

  66. lol frost… he is abit like bambi on ice isnt he???

    i always thought of diaby as a striker….he always looks dangerous when hes in at goal and if he wants to do his tricks and he loses the ball then at least he loses it in their box and not outside ours!!!!!

    i think wengers trying to mould him into paddy but i dont think it’ll happen…he doesnt have the football brain….

  67. Jon,

    I know it’s hard but i’m going to try and help you through this

    Now close your eyes,

    Take a deep breath,

    Count to 5

    And repeat after me

    “Flamini is not coming back”

    Now open your eyes,

    Exhale,

    And relax.

    There, there…

    Is that better?

  68. Has anyone else ever thought that if we’d offered players like Flamini the same wage as Adebeyor that they may of stayed? Just a thought.

    Anyway, Onwards and Upwards. Denilson looks like he could be class in a few years

  69. I don’t think we ought to be too hard on Flamini. He trained every day with the rest of the team. He realised that he would never have the ability of a Denilson or a Song, and that a brief injury could mean the end of his days in the first team. He had to take his first and last opportunity to make a lot of money.

  70. JonJon,

    Flamini was made to look good because he was playing alongside Cesc, Rosicky and Hleb. But you dont have to buy that. Keep fantasising about Flamini’s return.

  71. now now JonJon

    Get over it mate, he aint comig back…

  72. now now JonJon

    Get over it mate, he aint coming back…

  73. who made flamini look good at LB then alex

    senderos and eboue???

    flamini did the donkey work so hleb, rosicky and cesc could make Ade look good…

    i will keep fantasising because he’s what this team needs…

  74. Alex –

    Nasri and Walcot are just as good and potentially better then Hleb and Rocisky

  75. Aggree with Pz and Jon Jon. There is as much as one can go based on his running like a madman.
    Technically all three of Song, Denilson and Diaby are better.

  76. i know he aint coming back CG

    i just dont get why certain fans dont apreciate the type of player he was…we miss him…thats a fact

  77. JJ,

    Not so sure about that mate. Diaby is an outstanding talent. And as YW and Passenal have said – I also think Diaby was being paired off with Cesc as Arsene’s preferred choice.

    Problem has been his injuries and a lack of that little bit of aggression to utilise his physical size that Vieira was so very effective at.

    Flam is gone. As too Diarra and Gilberto who were all specialist DCM. So we’ve tried to convert Denllson (who’s done ever so well given that he has had to adapt to the role in short notice), Diaby & to fill the void – and where there has been success (with both Denilson and Song) – I don’t think Arsene’s efforts to sign Alonso and the speculation surrounding Yaya / Melo are totally unfounded. So, I do see Arsene signing DCM and knowing him, he’ll have other options outside of Melo.

  78. If we gonna start looking at bringing a player to Arsenal of “Flamini’s” “calibre” then we might as well look at experienced no ability midfielders like Nicky Butt

  79. “I will keep fantasising because he’s what this team needs…”

    Wish for something that can come true. Seriously, you’ll hate life alot less.

  80. By the way whats with that god awful third kit?
    Of all the colours in the world………….
    Who makes these decisions? John Barnes?

  81. “Speaking with Sky Sports Gallas said, ‘I am at Arsenal, my contract is still valid for a year, so I am an Arsenal player.’

    ‘We have not talked about renewing the contract, but I am relaxed and looking forward to next season with Arsenal.’”

    Fantastic news!

  82. Frost, Nasri and Walcott are two of the best young players in the world. But right now Rosicky is a more complete player than either of them.

  83. Passenal –

    What that they have not talked about renewing his contract?

  84. JonJon

    Miss him??? I dont miss a player that plays for a transfer, i prefer players that play with their hearts for the club

  85. Matt Flamini can sneeze with his eyes open.

  86. Great news Passenal.

    Jon JOn,

    Try sending “I miss u” cards and some flowers to Flamini. Maybe you could convince him somehow. I mean you’re wasting your time blogging, he aint gonna come back like this. Get off your a** and get things done.

  87. It looks like our dreams could come true, and that all our best players will stay.

  88. Matt Flamini destoyed the periodic table because he only recognises the element of suprise.

  89. JonJon, remain stuck in the past and keep hating the present and the future. I can see you going places.

  90. We should get Gallas’ contract extended another year, least we will get some value from him come next year if we decide to sell him. Hes an important player for us and his experience will be vital next year. I hope he does stay.

  91. Chrisgoona –

    We can forgive Adebeyor because he’s great, no matter where his heart is

  92. Lol, Queenie, you made me go through the Chuck Norris’s jokes the other day, again, after a year. Still funny.

  93. Matt Flamini can kill two stones with one bird.

  94. I think Matt has replaced Chuck as the object of mythical legend Ateeb.

  95. Excellent Flamini series QoS!

  96. JonJon

    Point is we are moving forward, Arsenal is moving forward… who ever wants to jump ship – they can. We dont want to carry any greedy cun*s or anyone who isnt 100% with project Wenger. Includes all the spoilt fans. If you cant see what Arsenal is on the verge of, what are you doing here/with us??

  97. If our current midfield got half the admiration reserved for Flamini, they’d have to take out restraining orders against whole sections of the Arsenal support.

  98. A matt flamini sliding tackle is the preferred method of execution in 16 US states.

  99. Frost – DNFTT

  100. Ask Nani.

  101. Frost

    …so how have you managed to look into Ade’s heart then?

  102. Preferred by the criminals, or by the courts?

  103. Perhaps he was channelling Matt Flamini ChrisGoona?

  104. JJ,

    Not so sure about that Mate. Diaby is an outstanding talent. But he has been injury prone and lacks a little aggression to impose himself physically that Vieira had. As YW and Passenal have said I do think he was Arsenes preferred choice to partner Cesc. I do hope he gets some consistency into his game – because he really could be a world class player.

    Flam & Diarra left and it was their choice as did Gilberto. All were specialist DCM. Arsene tried to sign alonso but when the transfer fell through – he opted to use Denilson / Song / Diaby to fill the void. Denilson was outstanding giving the fact that the poor lad has had to adapt to the role in such short notice and Song has come on immensely too – but there’s no doubt that injuries and a lack of squad depth have seen us over use Denilson and even playing Cesc / Nasri in that role to shore up the defence towards the end of last season.

    I do think that Arsene’s attempt to sign Alonso and the speculation surrounding Yaya / Melo has not been totally unfounded. I think he will sign a DCM.

  105. Denilson has had an impressive season, i think hes scored more goals than Flamini did, assisted more, and intercepted more…. imagine the praise and emotional out pour Denilson would get if he left… Fans would commit suicide and all sorts!!!…

  106. Courts PZ. Keep up.

  107. steww – DNFTT?

    Do Not Feed The Teddybears?

  108. QoS

    Looked like it was a dig at Ade, is it?

  109. chrisgooner –

    What do you mean? Its bobvious Adebeyor and the fans haven’t gelled. Its more of a business arrangement that works perfectly. Nothing wrong with that

  110. I didn’t know Adebayor had a brother.

  111. Or un-returned love perhaps

  112. Poliziano –

    Very good

  113. Who does bobvious Adebayor?

    Maybe we could sell Ade, and get bobvious. Better fax Arsene about bobvious. How much would he cost?

  114. No CG i mean that in theory one who channels the supreme abilities of Matt Flamini could possibly see into Ades heart.

    I was speculating Frost may well have done this!

  115. Ohh i see :)

  116. But it looks like Bobvious has the same problem as Emmanuel – he hasn’t gelled with the fans.

  117. heres a question:

    Who is going to lineup against Everton come august up front for the Arsenal….

    Ade/Eduardo/Bendtner/RvP/AA/Vela/Walcott

    im not even sure if we will revert to a 4-4-2 … being a tricky away game

  118. looks like Zem Zemma has gone to Madrid ppl

  119. Well forget Bendtner to start, he’s the worst of a good bunch

  120. QoS, can I have some of whatever you are smoking; the periodic table quote was superb.

  121. i know CG

    but i dont think hes the rat that evryone makes out

    the club treated flamini like shit and when they realised his worth it was too late…

    the thing for me was he never made a fuss…never went public…he just got on with it…played good football and moved

    as for technical qualities…we are loaded with technical players…we need players who can run about abit and like doing it…

    not ones that pass a ball lose it and then stand there waiting for somebody else to close them down like diaby and denilson seem to do alot…

    the amount of times we were hit on the break and other teams passed through us was ubelievable…wouldnt of happened as much if we had flamini…

  122. Frost

    So was Flamini out of…

    Diarra/Gilberto/Cesc/Diaby

    for the CM spot so i wouldnt write off Bendtner, hes got talent

  123. JonJon

    Agreed with most of your comment – but Denilson standing there waiting for somebody else to close a player down..??

    Cant say i agree with that, he is very workman like. Maybe not mad dog style like Flamini… speaking of which he left us over a year ago!! Mate get over him… take his posters down!! he wears other colours now.

    He wasnt a legend, he played FOR A TRANSFER… seriously get over him man

  124. If anyone wants to miss a player… miss Bergkamp, miss Henry, miss Pires, miss Ljungberg… the word miss doesnt associate with the word Flamini…

    I can think of many many other words if anyone wants to hear them ;)

  125. ChrisGoona, my money would be on this for a starting line up (assuming no other squad changes) for Everton

    Almunia

    Sagna – Toure – Gallas – Clichy

    Nasri – Fabregas – Song – Arshavin

    RvP – Adebayor

    I don’t think Arsene will start the season with many changes.

  126. Arsene wouldnt allow anyone to live. he must have learned from those he allowed to go last season and the took the teams heart out. This is Arsenals year.

    Almunia

    Sagna Gallas/ Toure Vanmaeren/Djourou Clichy

    Song/ Nasri Dennilson/ Diaby

    Theo/ Bendtner Cesc Arshavin/ Rosicky

    Van persie/ ade/ Edu

  127. fair enough CG

    going back to your everton game

    i think we should play a 4231

    song and cesc in the 2

    AA rosicky and robin in the 3

    bendtner as the 1

    thats with all things being equal and no signings

  128. Almunia

    Sagna – Toure – Gallas – Clichy

    Nasri – Fabregas – Denilson – Arshavin

    RvP – Adebayor

    This team will win the league, its better then Barcelona and the new Madrid, proper strong quality players who love Arsenal. Last year was a learning curve, we will show the world we are not a pile of shit, we will be champions !!

  129. Like the look of the lineups, Bendtner up top against Everton maybe a smart move… AA, Rosicky and RvP behind would counter Everton well, with Bendtners physical approach distracting the CBs.

    What about Ade though JonJon? You think he wont be in Wengers plans if we keep him… or just he will find 1st team game time harder with Bendtner around?

  130. No rosciky frost???

  131. Frost,

    Flamini did a job for us in 07/08, and JonJon is right that he’d been a useful squad player before then.

    But Flamini is not by any means an indispensable player.

  132. Frost

    Like the optimism, it is an impressive team sheet and you still left out Edu.. Rosicky.. Walcott.. Song.. Vermaelen etc…. etc….

    We have a very capable squad, its good that nobody else can see that, we will hit them all by surprise. Glory awaits our lads!

  133. CG

    Both mate…if he stays i think Nikki will develop into a top striker next year…his work rate link up play and positioning are already admirable…as soon as he starts hitting the net regular ade will find it tough…like i said if he stays…

  134. What the f..k. I go away for a while and come back to find a debate about Flamini going on. Didn’t we do that a year ago and thenabout three months after that?

    He’s gone

    “Rat in a drain ditch, caught on a limb, you know better but I know him.
    Like I told you, what I said, Steal your face right off your head.

    Now he’s gone, now he’s gone, Lord he’s gone, he’s gone.
    Like a steam locomotive, rollin’ down the track
    He’s gone, gone, nothin’s gonna bring him back…He’s gone.

    Nine mile skid on a ten mile ride, hot as a pistol but cool inside.
    Cat on a tin roof, dogs in a pile,
    Nothin’ left to do but smile, smile, smile!!!!

    Now he’s gone, now he’s gone Lord he’s gone, he’s gone.
    Like a steam locomotive, rollin’ down the track
    He’s gone, gone, nothin’s gonna bring him back…He’s gone.

    Goin’ where the wind don’t blow so strange,
    Maybe off on some high cold mountain chain.
    Lost one round but the price wasn’t anything,
    A knife in the back and more of the same.

    Same old, rat in a drain ditch, caught on a limb,
    You know better but I know him.
    Like I told you, what I said,
    Steal your face right off your head.

    Now he’s gone, now he’s gone Lord he’s gone, he’s gone.
    Like a steam locomotive, rollin’ down the track
    He’s gone, gone, nothin’s gonna bring him back…He’s gone.

    Ooh, nothin’s gonna bring him back.”

    Honest.

  135. We will win the league this year I can feel it !!!
    We will power over teams and daxzzle them with our amazing ball skills !!! We will score more goals then has ever been scored before in a single season !!!

  136. frost i see you have the same waters as me!!!!!

  137. We will piss on the face of Man Utd !!!!!, We will make Liverpool lick our balls !!!!!

  138. We are the Arsenal !!!!!!!!
    Chelsea can eat our shit !!!!!
    We are the Arsenal !!!!!

  139. Ade = 15 goals +
    RvP = 15 goals +
    Arshavin = 10 goals +
    Bendtner = 10 goals +
    Eduardo = 5 goals +
    Nasri = 5 goals +
    Cesc = 5 goals +
    Walcott = 5 goals +
    Rosicky = ??? if playing 5 goals +
    Other members = another 10 goals +

    We looking at here a miniumum of 80 goals my prediction is… Thats with AA having an ok season, same with Ade, same with Bendtner, same with RvP…

    If rotated well we can get goals out of everyone and keep everyone fresh.

  140. Sorry I just got a bit over excited then, sorry that was a bit disgusting wasn’t it, Apologies

  141. CG

    i reckon that someone will have another 30 goal season next year

    got a feeing it will be Dudu

    rvp will hit 20

    AA will get 15

    nikki and ade 15 each

  142. Yep,… eating shit dont go down well when ur trying to eat.. thanks Frost!

  143. frost yes it was but it was good

  144. JonJon

    1 striker always seems to benefit from a team playing well. Could be Dudu, could be Nicklas, could be Ade again.. we have to wait n see… all depends on Wenger’s system and who he sees as the best option up top, or options.

  145. Keeping RvP fit for another season will be good for us also.. hes a striker that guarantees goals – whether it be him or setting up others. Dont know how many goals he was involved in last time round but must have been the highest out of all our players. Same goes for AA, everything he touches turns to gold it seems… keep the key players rotating and fresh.. as long as someone is scoring and the goals are flowing.

  146. CG

    i may stand corrected but robin contributed to over 30 goals last season…

  147. JJ,

    Not so sure about that Mate. Diaby is an outstanding talent. But he has been injury prone and lacks a little aggression to impose himself in a physical way that Vieira had. As YW and Passenal have said I do think he was Arsenes preferred choice to partner Cesc. I do hope he gets some consistency into his game – because he really could be a world class player.

    The fact that Arsene has tried to sign Alonso since the departure of Flam / Diarra & Bert combined with the current speculation surrounding Yaya / Melo leads me to think that he still sign a DCM before the new season. That’s not a criticism of Song or Denilson in particular, who was magnificent in adapting to the role at such short notice. Its just that we could do with the extra cover rather than trying to play Cesc or Nasri there if we face the same injury crisis again.

  148. Joe,

    i agree with you last paragraph…

    as for diaby…i dunno mate…maybe…but not a world class midfielder…not until he learns to look up…i just cant see it….injuries or no injuries you either have a footballing brain or you dont…i dont think he has…

    hop im wrong but diaby just doesnt impress me…i think hes got one more year left anyway to prove himself…if theres no change at the end of next season wenger will offload him me thinks

  149. if we face the same injury crisis again.

    Joe, what do you mean by “IF” we have an injury crisis?

    We WILL have an injury crisis, just like the year before and the year before that. Even if we had 100 players in our squad I bet you we’d still somehow manage to have an injury crisis.

  150. Blackstock –

    I speak in relative terms – the injuries we faced to key players was more than the norm.

    JJ – I do accept that Diaby has yet to make the most of his talent – and I think he knows that too. But he is one seriously talented player. The second goal against Villa was amazing.

  151. Arsenal hit bye injuries!! no we just have a small squad. Any team could loose 6 first team players and still walk all over Manu in a CL semi.
    We just have a small squad!

  152. CG,

    My goalscoring targets for the team will be:

    Ade—> 20 goals
    RVP—> 20 goals
    EDS—> 15 goals +
    Bendtner—>12 goals +
    Vela —> 6 goals +
    Walcott—> 10 goals
    Rosicky—> 10 goals
    Nasri —> 10 goals
    Arshavin—> 12 goals
    Cesc —> 10 goals

    Rest of team—>20 goals

    Total—> 145+ goals in all competitions

  153. OG ! I like your optimism.

  154. i wouldnt exactly say we have a small squad….

    its more like we have a same size squad as our rivals but we are top heavy with players for certain positions and not so heavy in other positions

    we have a decent size squad but it aint a balanced squad….

    OG

    thats a trophy lifting goal count mate

  155. Exactly JonJon.

    And it’s doable too.

    By the way, again I agree with you (THUNDER!!) that we have a normal-sized squad but I think you’re dismissing the effect of injuries.

    Someone here pointed out that we had 30 more injuries to squad member last season than did Liverpool. And like 10-15 more than Chelsea.

    We also had 2 super-long term injuries (EDS & Ros) plus longish ones to Walcott, Cesc and Ade.

    I think where we are light is in central midfield. We have too few choices their. We need a player to make Cesc work hard for his place. And we need experience in midfield/ a specialist defensive midfielder who’s mature and has big game experience.

  156. OG

    I wasnt giving targets… they are sky high

    I think predicting realistically we can hit almost 100 goals if we get a few of our players scoring and key personel fit

  157. gunnerjones,

    All those players have scored that many in the past except Nasri & Arshavin….

    Nasri got 7 this year….Arshavin got 6 in half season.

    Eduardo got 11 before his nasty injury.

    It’s not unattainable

  158. How about a 4-3-2-1 this season? Or a 4-3-3?

    Van Persie
    Arshavin and Theo (RvP if Ade is up front)
    Rosicky and Cesc and Nasri (would Nasri feel comfy on the right side if Theo’s pushed up?)
    Clichy Toure Gallas Sagna
    Almunia

    In terms of formation, I’d love to see Arshavin and Theo pushed forward, and I’d love to see Rosicky back in the mix here. Questions for discussion:
    1) Would Nasri feel comfy on the right side if Theo’s pushed fwd in a 4-3-3? Rosicky would probably be on the left side. If Rosicky can’t start, who’d be on the right side if Theo is moved up and Nasri is left wing in a 4-3-3?
    2) Would Wenger be fine without a big man (Ade or Bendtner) up front for the 1st team for the solid majority of matches?
    3) Should Wenger go the 433 route, Ramsey has to go on loan, yes?
    4) How will Wenger get Vela more playing time this year? Can he be a winger, rather than what he seems truly blessed for, striker?

    I guess that’s all for now. My guess is that the formation will ultimately hinge on what signings we do or do not do.

  159. JonJOn,

    We don’t have a small squad, we just lack numbers in central midfield.

    I think we need someone to make Cesc fight for his place & someone who’s defensively minded, mature, and has big-game experience. We also need a 3rd keeper. Mannone is not ready yet.

  160. Honestly, on current form and our style of play, Song, Denilson and Diaby are not good enough as DM however, Diaby has more potential than the rest. I remember AW fingering Diaby as the replacement for Viera before his injury.

    Diaby needs to improve his physical condition to avoid constant injuries that has been his trade mark since coming over here. I think Diaby knows 2009/10 may be his last chance to impress or lose his future with the club.

    If Diaby is able to improve his physical condition, his aerial power and learns to release balls quickly without over-dribbling and showmanship then we will need no one for that position. Diaby will showcase aerial ability and physical presence, his passing and ball control/technical ability is beyond question. Whether we’ll see the new or the old Diaby will be obvious during pre-season.

    With the fitness of Rosicky being restored, AA’s first full season, the purchase of Vermaelen and Gallas’ expression of intent to stay next season, the players that have become surplus to requirements are Senderos, Sylvestre and Eboue.

    I think AW should be looking into the reserves to find support for Sagna. One of Gavin Hoyte or Lansburi can graduate to play that supporting role for Sagna having had first tastes of that position albeit with mixed result. AW has done for Clichy by developing Gibbs and I think he can do same for either of the two for Sagna.

  161. Frost,

    Is your first name Tommy? Or Jolly?

  162. ChrisGoona – Eduardo is the best finisher in the PL. If he has fully recovered from his injury and he gets the games he will score 20 odd league goals in the coming season.

  163. Of the three…Song, Denilson and Diaby, the only one I have doubts about is Alex Song. He’s like Carrick…a pretty decent midfield player but outstanding at nothing. But he can pass, and he can tackle, and he has some vision.

    Denilson for me is a very good player. Not by any means the finished article. But he has everything it takes. He’s a great passer, and he is very intelligent and reads the game superbly. He knows where the ball will be and I am impressed with his ability to know where the ball will be so he just intercepts it. His weakness is that he can not head. It’s the only weakness in his game. He also has to learn to cover for the centre backs. He trusts them too much for me. Many of the faults attributed to him was him thinking (especially Silvestre) they will make the block or tackle, and then they don’t. He’s not the strongest player in the world but neither is Mascherano or Hargreaves. But he’s shown that he can do some things exceptionally and that’s great. His stamina is phenomenal.

    Diaby has everything he needs to play midfield. He’s not a clean tackler, and that’s the one main defect. He’s good in the air. He’s strong. He’s hard to get past. He has decent pace. He has a physical presence. He can dribble out of tight situations. He also has decent stamina.

    His own problem is that he hasn’t actually had a run in the position and doesn’t know what the position requires.

    The truth of the matter is that if I were the manager I’d have no hesitation to play any of the three in ANY match.

    Of the three, the one who’s proved that he can be relied on to function week-in week-out is Denilson. The others enrich our squad and give us options.

    I still think we need a specialist defensive midfielder who is mature and knows what to do in big games.

    I think our loss to Man poo in the CL was due to the midfield players not figuring out quickly enough what kind of game it was going to be. They got overrun because they did not know what to do. Once they figured it out after the first 25 mins or so, the game was actually very even.

  164. Bodad,

    Eboue is a very useful squad player. What’s the requirement, and how’s he surplus to it?

  165. http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/ramsey-signs-a-new-long-term-contract

  166. YW,

    I agree with a lot of your points. However, everyone appears to ignore a fundamental fact about our midfield that the club doesn’t seem to have resolved itself.

    Most people would agree that Cesc is a shoe-in for abvious reasons, yet his potential partner is a choice of 3 players with very different styles. In the past Wenger has been very specific in the past about the function and role of his midfield particularly the middle.

    A lot of comparisons have been drawn between Diaby and Viera mainly to do with obvious parallels in physique. I’m afraid Diaby lacks the the consistency and intelligence to compare. By the way Diaby is the same age now as Viera when we bought him. Notice the difference in quality (not helped by Diaby’s horrible injury record I agree but quality is not governed by age)

    Song and Denilson have massively improved as players individually but do not necessarily fit in nicely to the team pattern. Until their real role is revealed then their true effectiveness cannot be gauged.

    Until Wenger decides on a particular style(s) of play our midfield capabilities will remain sub-optimal

  167. Ramsey, Like that Kid! he hasnt even been mentioned today apart from that link.

  168. Nice one Rambo. Good lad.

  169. Pin striped third kit…I quite like that. Very dapper indeed

  170. Diaby, Song and Denilson have what it takes.

    Denilson especially has proven himself at the Arsenal. I am quite sure that Arsene has no doubts about his ability at this point.

    What’s special about him is his phenomenal work rate, and stamina. His passing and his ability to play out of tight areas is above average. He’s also shown that he is very intelligent and reads the game quite well. His ability to know where the ball will be and to just show up and intercept it is pretty convincing. His weakness is that he’s not good in the air. He’s not the strongest player in the world but neither is Mascharano or Hargreaves. He’ll build up strength naturally. His ability to make late runs and show up in goalscoring positions shows he can do box-to-box and he has reasonable pace. He also has to learn to cover up for the centre backs. Many of the faults attributed to him lasts season was him trusting the centre backs, to put in a block or tackle, and they failed. He has to learn not to take things for granted or be complacent. But that’s a fault of youth.

    I have no doubt personally about Diaby, though he’s yet to fully demonstrate it on the pitch that he can be a regular starter. Nevertheless he’s proven a quite useful squad player.

    Diaby’s strengths are obvious. He might not be a clean tackler, but it’s hard to get past him in a 1-on-1 situation. He can dribble. He can pass, though he has to learn to release the ball quick. He is good in the air. He has decent pace. His ability to burst forward with the ball gives the team the ability to do well in transitions, a very important tactical factor these days. I don’t know about his stamina though. He has a disadvantage wrt to the other 2. He’s not had a long run in central midfield, and probably understands the position least.

    Song is another very useful squad player. For me he’s like Carrick. He’s a pretty decent midfielder but he’s not exceptional at any one thing except heading. His passing is above average. He is naturally defensive so he brings that to bear. He has decent stamina. He is strong. And he can cover in centre back which is very useful. He has to learn to press higher up the field. I didn’t say the same thing about Denilson…that’s because Denilson’s strength is to stand back and read the game and show up where the ball is. Song’s strength is in 1-on-1 duels so he has to learn to do this higher up the field, while having the stamina to drop deeper and cover as well. This will make him more effective as a player.

    I think we still need a naturally defensive-minded mature player who has big game experience. The game against Man poo in the CL at Old Trashford was such a disappointment because our midfield did not understand immediately what kind of game it was going to be. Once they figured it out around the 25th min onwards, it was a rather even game. But before then we’d gotten overrun in midfield because they didn’t realise (AMAZINGLY) that Man poo’s one goal would be to try to get midfield runners into the box, and doubling up with their wide players. They were chasing the ball and forgeting to track the man.

  171. Ole Gunner

    Eboue is surplus to requirement because he’s not good playing at RB or RM. He’s become a liability playing RB as shown against Chelsea in the FA semi-finals.

    Eboue doesn’t show any seriousness anymore and full of inefficiency at RB where he lost it to Sagna long ago. At RM he runs and runs until he’s disposed of the ball.

    Keeping average Eboue to collect 40k a week is a waste of money and a blockade to a lot of young players knowing at the first team door to come in.

    He’s had his chances, especially being one of the revelations in the 2006/7 champiopns league but couldn’t maintain it. It went into his head and got exploded.

    He’s now blocking the development of others.

    As for Senderos, he’s proved not to be good. Milan won’t take him even though they had the option to buy him permanently. He’s too slow for the EPL and lacks ball sense.

  172. OG,

    It was only a matter of time before Bodad/ 4th the target launched into his usual diatribe about “average foreign players” who are living off the Arsenal. Its almost like he was paying Eboue from his own salary.

  173. Ole – You’re talking about the individual qualities of players of which they have an abundance. That does not necessarily lend itself to a coherent pattern of team play.

    For example, Steve Williams when he first joined Arsenal was individually a phenomenal player but initially did not fit the team play at the time. George noticed this and corrected it and formed a great partnership with Paul Davis.

    You appear to be missing my main point and that is we have yet to achieve a style that comfortably suits either Song, Denilson or Diaby in a central compatible midfield with Cesc and is as effective as the central midfield pairings of the last 10 years

  174. I like Eboue, he has my support.

  175. Bodad,

    Actually Eboue is a pretty decent player who’s proven he has what it takes to play at the top level. He’s one of the paciest players in the team. His dribbling and running with the ball is quite good, and his crossing from wide positions is best of all the full backs. And he’s one of the more experienced players in the squad. As a squad member he’s a very useful player.

    And the way he bounced back from the booing and put in good performances, his immense popularity in the squad, and his willingness to play for the team shows his character. The diving and play acting is no longer on show and there are few excuses left to cudgel him with.

    He can play and has played RB, RM, CM, HM, LM. Every squad needs a player like that.

  176. Picking up on John Radford BigLeggy’s point, what would be the best style of play for the players we have?

    Arsene has hinted at the possible change of styles, mentioning 4-3-3. He has pretty much stuck to 4-4-2 throughout his time at Arsenal, but Overmars played almost as a third forward in 1997/98, with Parlour more withdrawn on the right side.

    Arshavan, Walcott, Rosicky and Nasri are not classic wide players, while Sagna and Clichy are so good coming forward that they can provide the width. Having a narrower midfield three might overcome the lack of a natural holding player?

    Midfield – 3 from:

    Cesc/Nasri/Rosicky/Diaby/Denilson/Song

    Front – 3 from:

    RvP/Ade/Arshavan/Walcott/Eduardo/Bendtner

  177. ramsey is an exceptional talent but he is not the answer to our midfeild problem

  178. Where the he** have they all started returning from? We were having quite peaceful doomer free days a week back. Is it a coincidence that Bob’s return saw the return of the doomers? We need explanations Bob!!

  179. Ole Gunner

    I disagree totally with you on Denilson. Denilson’s weakness is the main reason everyone is shouting for a DM.

    He lacks pace to track back. I agree that lack of pace is not a pre-requisite for a good DM. This was proved by Makelele but the problem with him is unlike Makelele or Gilberto he likes venturing forward but lacks the pace to track back.

    As you noted he lacks physical presence or aerial power to anchor the midfield and is often shoved off the ball.

    Again I disagree with you on his technicality as he lacks the skills to come out in tight corners unlike Diaby.

    His other major problem is lack of efficient passing ability. He may have a 100% passing success but the fact remains that 90% of his passes are sideways and backwards which doesn’t help a team built on attacking play. His passing style don’t help Arsenal to launch any counterattack as he slows down the game.

    Diaby has more potential to fill that void if only he can improve his physical sustenance, tackling and release the ball quicker.

  180. Nick – Wenger has already alluded to this but Arsenal’s strength going forward could be in in the versatility of its squad with the ability to change the style as and when. Being unpredictable is a frightening thought for a lot of teams. The downside is this is governed by player availability and wholly dependent on the players abilityt to adapt to the relevant system

  181. Well, they were on offer at the airport and I can never resist a bargain and so…

  182. I think we should definitely start next season with a 4-5-1/4-3-3 formation, it will suit the fact that we have many good attacking midfielders whilst giving us stability defensively. Playing with cesc and just one other in CM left us too exposed last year. No idea who will play CB, that should be uo for grabs in the training camp, so ahead of that:

    Cesc Denilson Rosicky/nasri

    RVP Arshavin

    Ade/bendtner

  183. You sold us out for money Bob? All the effort we put to get rid of these ****** and you threw it all away for what?

    Were you offered money or something more precious?

  184. Bodad,

    Actually, it’s not because of Denilson’s weakness. It’s the team’s weakness. We simply lack an experienced warrior who knows what big games is all about. And that’s not Denilson’s fault by any means

    The rest of what you say is actually not accurate. If someone is shoved off the ball, that’s a foul. And he’s not the strongest, yes, but neither is Mascherano or Hargreaves.

    His passing is very good. This nonsense of sideways passing is false. He got 7 assists. That’s more than Carrick, Ronaldo, Alonso and others. So somehow he finds penetration with his passes. And it also shows your ignorance about football. His role as a defensive midfielder (watch Melo, Gilberto, in the recent Confed Cup) is to pass the ball safely. His job is not to split defences, but to keep possession.

    Also it’s false that he gets upfield and gets caught out. Watch when Arsenal lose possession in the opposition last third, most of the time, Denilson is the first to the ball to track the runner. That’s just a fact you can verify by going to ANY game Arsenal played last season and watching it.

  185. arseneholis,

    I actually think that of all the formations possible, 4-3-3, with the players we have, gives us the least defensive stability.

  186. I admire your patience Ole. You’re a star!!

    If Denilson knew how much you stood up for him, he’d hire you as his agent.

  187. re denilson

    his job is to break up play and then release the ball quickly

    he often holds on to the ball too long and then passes it 5 yards to the nearest player..often a defender

    denilsons passes allow the opposition to get their ’shape’ back therefore allowing them to compress the play and ‘park the bus’

    this is typified when cesc was out for months and we couldnt create a thing…leading to all those goal less draws and ‘crab like’ build up play…

  188. JonJon, how do know you if Ramsey will or will not be the answer?

  189. OG

    Formations are pretty meaningless due to the events within a match. Unless it is a two-legged affair, 4-5-1 mutates into 4-3-3 / 4-4-2 / 4-1-5 / 0 – 0 – 10 depending on how events unfurl.

    Concentration and awareness of opponents positioning and runs is of far more import than sticking rigidly to formations.

    YW

  190. OLE – 4-3-3 and 4-5-1 are basically the same thing, it just depends on who plays. A midfield with denilson, cesc, diaby, in the middle and eboue and nasri wide will be more defensive than what i suggested, but is pretty much the same in terms of shape. I think that would leave the lone man isolated though and nullifies our strength.

    Either way, playing with 3 in the middle will give us a better base than just 2. It is a waste of our best players to ask the wide men to be defensively thinking: why play eboue when we have arshavin?

    Now that we no longer play with 2 strong men in midfield, as with vieira and gilberto/petit/parlour i think we need an extra set of legs chasing the ball. Our strength is passing and creativity, but we need a platform structurally for this without leaving all our talented att. mids on the bench.

  191. Ole – A couple of points. Getting ’shoved off the ball’ does not always constitute a foul. Secondly describing Mascherano as not being tough is a little bit off the mark. He is one tough cookie.

    Lastly, the whole of Arsenal’s midfield was exposed in quite a few games to being caught upfield (something we can definitely improve on) which on occasions cost us goals.

    No player has a high success rate in retrieving lost possession (and not in the ‘most’ bracket). I admire your protection of Denilson but please keep it within the realms of plausibility

  192. Paul N

    take a look at our CM’s

    Cesc
    Nasri
    denilson
    song
    diaby
    rambo

    the problem is obvious..it stands out and hits you in the face and rambo isnt the answer…

    maybe in 5 years time but not just yet

  193. JonJon,

    Ramsey isn’t the answer now, the lad is still quite young. He may be, however, the answer in a few years time, which is why we have him.

  194. Arsenehollis – 4-5-1 and 4-3-3 take on different definitions in the context of ball possession.

    4-5-1 is predominantly a defensive formation when you don’t have the ball. You don’t attack with such and require players equally adept at going forward. You are wholly dependent on the sole striker’s ability to hold the ball and retain possession to bring other players into play when attacking.

    4-3-3 suits an aggressive attacking style (Barcelona) with a combative midfield but also allows your wide players to tuck and form the first line of defence (as a 5) as and when required

    4-4-2 is a half way house and is much more flexible than people think providing more flexibilty for individual players to interchange rather than change the system of play depending on how the game plays out

  195. yes Gris Gris true

  196. JJ, we can percieve anything but we dont know. I just look for our players to shock the world and would not put any restrictions on them at all, but thats just me. When I have watched Ramsey play he has always held his own and also went to the FA Cup final if you remember, which means he had to have played well against PL teams.

    JJ your beloved player, was good for only one year as a DM, how many more times can that be stated.

  197. Actually I hope all our players are the answer so we can have a great rotation. I hope that this last season has given them all the experience and confidence they need to take the PL by storm, so until they fail they will be great for me, but again, thats just me.

  198. Re

    formations…

    the way wengerball works requires no set formation…the intelligence and versitilty of our attacking players allows them to interchange at any set point in the game….which is why for example wenger doesnt use ‘out and out’ wingers

    i would imagine after watching wenger experiement with the team last season we will be looking at a very non rigid 442 converting into 4231…the players he picks will be able to alternate positions to fit accordingly….

    IMO

  199. Wonderful team we have, wonderful set of players. We are blessed to be able to watch and support the Arsenal!

    I am so very proud of what Arsenal is and will become!

  200. YW,

    I have to agree. In the end, if you look at the average positions of the players, on Telegraph’s website, you’ll find that we actually play something like 2-5-2-1! LOL

    So you’re right, it’s winning your individual battles that count.

    But some in the end allow the team to keep a certain shape.

    In my mind, I’ll always hold on to Henry drifting left, Bergkamp in the hole, Ljungberg and Pires making diagonal runs and cutting in, while the full backs offer true width. Then two central midfielders who share attacking and defensive duties.

    It’s why I like 4-4-2. I think Wengerball was built for 4-4-2.

    Now Arsene is worried about teams playing 3 men midfields against us….

    It’s why many probably want 4-3-3…..it’s just that we have never looked comfortable with it…..

    Well I don’t know anymore. Let’s just see if he figures what suits the team best in pre-season.

  201. he wasnt though PaulN

    flamini was good in any position he played for the entire time he was at arsenal….

    look paulN

    the season we almost won the league we had

    rosicky 28

    hleb 28

    cecs 21

    flamini 24

    that midfield was the best midfeild in the league argueably

    last season our midfield was

    walcott 20

    song 20

    denilson 20

    nasri 21

    we struggled…the difference is not hard to work out….

    ramsey is an excellent prospect…but i dont see how he is the answer to our midfeild problem right now….thats not knocking him paulN….thats a fact…

  202. Ole Gunner

    I admire your advocacy and ’stand up’ for Denilson but the fact remains that he’s not the solution to our midfield problem.

    In 2/3 years time, I’ll take Cesc/Ramsey midfield to Cesc/Denilson. Cesc/Denilson is a ‘donkey’ midfield that will lose our natural counterattacking abilities. Ramsey in future will provide pace, aerial ability and fighting-spirit cover for Cesc to roam forward.

    Denilson will grow to be a good player but not great. His abilities are definitely limited.

  203. Mr Radford – what you said about the 4-3-3 is basically what did/tried to say. It can give us extra numbers back. In a 4-4-2 rvp often drops into CM, but i think it is more effective defensively to have more balanced players in there.

    With everyone fit we have so many attacking players and options that we will make our game with the ball.

    The players, denilson and song, got a bum deal last year because we didn’t pass as effectively as normal and losing the ball often, uncharacteristically and i poor places put us under undue pressure. What they had to do wasn’t a fair comparison with flamini say, a tougher ask.

    If we play high-tempo, pass and move with commitment to win the ball back not many teams can live with us. We are too good to have to imitate people, e are the arsenal ffs, but barca showed us the way last year, now it is our turn to show the world how beautiful this game can be.

  204. Jon Jon you ignore the team set up off the ball- a key component of team fomations. IMO this one of our key weaknesses. You can’t set up a team to play with the ball unless you have a plan and system to cope with not having the ball. Stats suggest ball possession = about 55% at best. what do you do with the other 45% when you don’t have it? Wander around and hope for the best?

  205. Speaking to a club insider, coach Schaaf tipped Naldo to reach the top:

    “Naldo is a great athlete and could do well at the right club, unfortunately he doesn’t fit the direction we’re planning to move in any longer.

    “We expect to move him for somewhere in the region of €10 million, and English side Arsenal is as of now the most likely destination.”

  206. I just look for the best, I dont know who the answer is or isnt, If Cesc can be the answer at 17+ I dont put anything past any of our great young players.

    Anyway, why are we worrying if Ramsey is the answer when we have Song, Denilson, Diaby and Nasri if need be?

    we will have Rosicky back(hopefully), Nasri will have a year under his belt, AA will be with us the whole season, Denilson and Song a good season under their belts, Diaby is pumping Iron, Cesc will hopefully be rested, Walcott will be back to his best.

    “ramsey is an excellent prospect…but i dont see how he is the answer to our midfeild problem right now….thats not knocking him paulN….thats a fact…”

    Now here is the problem, I see no problem with the Midfield so this is why this debate just prolongs……………….

    Great team the Arsenal, Great team!

  207. The problem we have in midfield is that fans like JonJon keep moaning about it. A player who is excellent at football cannot solve this problem. Denilson was the best in the league last season, but the moaning continues. The solution is a player who is willing to put a bullet in JonJon’s head.

  208. I think Denilson is limited by the sky!

  209. JRBL

    when wengerball flows at its best we have 70% possession in the oppenents half…i dont see how hard it can be to defend when the oppenent is stuck in their own half…our problem will be counter attack alone….thats if wenger can sort out the set piece issue….

    but i know what your saying

    playing a 4231 means we will have 2 deep laying midfielders…if our only problem is counter attack then the two midfielder will sweep up….

    the interchangable players will be the front 4….the widemen and the strikers switching from two out wide and two up top to 1 up top and three behind him…

    all the time the deep laying midfeilders stay in tact providing protection…..

    its the way the invincibles played with bertie and vieira holding the middle with freddie bobby denis and thierry switching positions and all mashing up the opposition defence…

  210. paulN

    my original comment was ‘ramsey is an exceptional talent but he is not the answer to our midfeild problem’

    their is no malice in that comment whatsoever…..

    our midfield problem is lack of experience…if you are suggesting that we shove a 17year old into our midfeild to solve the experience problem you are mad….

    it seems to me that you are trying to cause arguement where it is not neccesary…

  211. Post of the day @ 4.37 pm Poliziano!

  212. JonJon,

    It is you who is trying to cause an argument when it is not necessary.

    At 4.19 PM you agreed with Gris Gris’s assessment about Ramsey not being the answer now but perhaps being the answer in a few years time. Chapter closed.

    You are raking it up again. Nobody said Ramsey is the midfielder who will play next to Fabregas in the league next season. You are on a wind up. As usual.

  213. I know that but you keep talking about “problems”

    Cecs at 17 solved a midfield problem!

    We may be young but have gained experience.

    Look you can focus on the roses or the thorns, the choice is yours.

  214. its not maoning polly

    its telling anti english fans like you who know naff all about footy how we went wrong last season….

    you wanna know how i know you know narf all about footy…because what you do on here is the same as bloggers like ateeb G4E and shotta who talk fuck all about arsenal…know fuck all about arsenal and try fit in by following the leader and slagging everything and everybody off

    worthless waste of fan….

  215. JonJon,

    When we lacked creativity it was because we had no playmaker. It’s insane to blame Denilson for that. Much like blaming Almunia for the 4 goalless draws.

    John Radford BigLeggy,

    Mascherano is not the strongest player in the world. his game is based on anticipation and aggression. Denilson is not aggressive but he doesn’t need to be because he’s clever.

    When we were caught upfield it was a hoofed ball that bypassed the midfield. When it led to goals it was Silvestre, Gallas, Djourour or Toure who didn’t deal with it.

    Actually Denilson won the ball a lot. But all I was saying is that he’s usually first to the ball. I didn’t say he wins most balls when the opposition counterattack. Nobody can possibly do that. The best you get most times is to delay the attack, or direct the play to the wings…whoever the holding midfielder is.

    arseneholis,

    I am not sold on it.

    We can play 4-3-3 the defensive way like Chelsea, or we could do it like Barcelona. The Barcelona way I think is too offensive for a direct league like the Premiership. Could there be an Arsenal version? I don’t know how it will work in practice.

    Share your ideas, please.

  216. Ole

    mate im not blaming denilson….not at all…but i just think the rave reviews about him are over the top….i admire your defence of him but i doubt he will be an arsenal player in 3 years time….

    we shall see….

  217. fair enough paulN

  218. JonJon,

    Who is this “leader” you say we bloggers follow in your post@ 4.50 PM?

  219. did i mention your name alex???

  220. You dont see Denilson getting better JJ?

    Now lets be logical here, we all agree that Denilson got better as the year went on (except for a patch where it seemed he was tirred) so why is it he will not continue to grow?

    You say stats dont mean nothing except for goals(something like that), so how do you know if a players is doing a good job?

    Ole I am with you, Denilson is already very good and will become a very special and essential player for us for years to come.

  221. I’m on a bit of a later schedule here in California (GMT+8), but:

    1. I don’t care about the kit if the team comes out playing with the intensity they did two seasons ago. (BTW, does anyone remember who the captain was when that happened?)

    2. Would a midfield of Rosicky – Fabregas – Nasri – Arshavin bed too lightweight? No, because they would have 85 percent of possession. I would love to see it sometime. However, it all depends on the formation we play.

    3. OleGunner, interesting theory regarding the misreading of the ManU game. I also think there were some strange issues upfront. Ade was totally ineffective as was Theo. Why wasn’t Theo switched left or Ade moved around to pull Vidic out wide? Watching Barca match Vidic against Messi convinced me that a 4-3-3 with a more mobile front line could make life very difficult for opposing teams. Barca, of course, has very quick attackers who defend well from the front. Would our front 3 be as effective at harrying defenses?

  222. PaulN

    on the contrary i think he got worse as the season went on

    he started off very well but lost his way and regressed towards the end epecially after about february….

  223. You just cannot get by a statistic as far as interceptions of the ball, that means that the player is either in the right position more often than most and if not fights his way to overcome his bad positioning to win the ball, no?

    Quite simply this player is doing a great job as a DM.

  224. You are dodging the question though JonJon.

    Who is this “leader”?

  225. Didnt see that but OK.

  226. Was Denilson worse at the end of the season? Let’s suppose he was. He was still good enough to be singled out by Arshavin as the outstanding player. He must be even better than anyone realised.

  227. JRBL,

    In addition to JonJon’s commenti which I agree with (THUNDER) I want to say that, in modern football, there’s only one set-up when you dont have the ball. That formation is 9 men except the main striker behind the ball. That’s what all teams including Barcelona play.

    In fact, the real issue is which formation allows you to quickly transform into that shape, and out of it into your attacking shape, given the players you have.

    In the end formations depend on the players you have.

  228. The way everyone kepps talking about our midfield you would believe we were dominated in that area. In fact for the vast majority of games we dominated possession.
    that was one of our problems, we dominated teams so couldn’t score on the counter attack.
    Herbert Chapman commented on this in the 30’s, saying that is was sometimes a mistake to attack all the time.
    so maybe we need a worse midfielder, who gives the ball away a bit more so we can become a counter attacking team again!

  229. CG, I agree that Theo shouldve been moved so he could use his strenghts, I think it was hard for Ade by himself.

  230. JohnN, I do think we were not direct enough at times, over passing but I dont think is was because we had too much possession. We need to get the killer instinct back and I can see it coming next year as we started to be more dangerous towards the end of last season

  231. JonJon, where are you? You are usually so everready with answers..

  232. Ole Gunner

    I doubt Denilson will be an Arsenal player in 2/3 years time. The competition will suffocate him. Ramsey, Frimpong, Coquelin and JET.

    Frimpong and Coquelin will all be better players than Denilson. He won’t be able to sustain the competition.

  233. JonJon, do you ever just wake up in the morning and burst into tears at the state of our midfield?

    Do you sometimes find yourself walking happily along the road, when you are suddenly reminded of Denilson, Diaby and Song in midfield, and then feel a need to put a shotgun to your head and blow your brains out?

    Whilst having sex or masturbating, does it ever suddenly cross your mind that Ramsey is not the answer to the midfield conundrum and thus, you lose all passion and instead want to listen endlessly to Linkin Park albums whilst carving satanic messages in your forearm with a surgeon’s scalpel?

    Do you ever find yourself sitting in a restaurant, enjoying a nice meal when you are suddenly reminded that Flamini left Arsenal on a free which causes you to immediately regurgitate everything you’d eaten all over the table and all over the pretty waitresses shoes to the sheer horror and disgust of everyone around you?

    No?

  234. Ole – I did not say Mascherano was the ’strongest player in the world’ just that he was a tough cookie.

    Getting caught by a ‘hoof up the field’ wasn’t the only time the midfield were caught out but to discuss in detail is semantics and futile.

    Your quote “most of the time, Denilson is the first to the ball to track the runner” suggests that he wins the ball(i.e the use of just ‘track the runner’ would have been more appropriate and accurate). Again semantics and willing to concede the point.

    A lot of the discussion on here (and not only here I might add) revolves around individual player capabilities and their stats (what did we do before Opta stats eh? How good would Rinus Michels have been as a coach with Opta stats to hand?) and not very much around team dynamics. This is an often overlooked and extremely important part and involves a lot more than a one dimensional view of single players abilities and stats and is intrinsic to a team’s success

  235. Interesting investigative article from David Conn.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2009/jul/01/football-money-laundering-report

    Hope the wrong doers are identified by name soon.

  236. Lol Blackstock. Quite a vivid vision that.

  237. Alex

    Not much investigation in the article though since it is based on the Financial Advice Task Force report that was issued today. Conn is basically summarises the bits relevant to England.

    Follow the link in the article to read the full report.

    YW

  238. Stats were still stats even though records were not kept, a good DM player would have still had to be able to intercept the ball and have good positioning. The manager would have to look at the player and see how many times he intercepts the ball and if he had good positioning. It is why Wenger rates Denilson higly, not because he looked at stats but becuse he watch the player and saw the skill necessary.

    If you know boxing, you have a Marvin Hagler or a Sugar Ray Leonard, one uses mostly power while the other speed and finesse – both very effective even though styles differ.

    Denilson may not run at a player as if he is going to break every bone in their body like Flamnini but that does not mean he isnt as effective.

  239. Poliziano….

    “I don’t think we ought to be too hard on Flamini. He trained every day with the rest of the team. He realised that he would never have the ability of a Denilson or a Song, and that a brief injury could mean the end of his days in the first team. He had to take his first and last opportunity to make a lot of money.”

    That’s exactly it Poliziano.

    Do you really think if Wenger thought he needed or Flamini was worth it, he wouldn’t tie him down?

    Flamini ran away at the first chance because he knew, technically he will not stand the chance once Denilson and the rest come through. He also knew that if Wenger didn’t tie him down with a long term contract, it means he didn’t believe in him as the long term solution. Add to that Flamini probably asked for too much money which meant, the door hitting him in the ass.

    Adebayor is completely different matter, he is a striker, when the team is ticking he can score an average 25-30 goals a season…not too many strikers out there who can do that for the price we paid in him.

    There a reason why there is only a few good managers in the world of football. Too many online experts though…

  240. “Do you ever find yourself sitting in a restaurant, enjoying a nice meal when you are suddenly reminded that Flamini left Arsenal on a free which causes you to immediately regurgitate everything you’d eaten all over the table and all over the pretty waitresses shoes to the sheer horror and disgust of everyone around you?”

    I think this one is a daily one…just substitute the pretty waitress with great blog.

  241. Denilson is a superb player and will be with us for years to come. An audacious replacement of Flamini by AW. Great stuff. Can’t wait to see him in action in the pre-season games.

  242. Paul N – I don’t disagree that stats play a part. However people have a tendency to stop trusting their eyes and are completely reliant on stats to back up an argument (80% of people can’t be wrong I suppose).

    I have never named individual players (certainly not Denilson) and wasn’t targeting certain players with my comments. This was merely a general observation.

    My main point was and still is that people ignore team dynamics in their debates and focus on individual players. You sir, have proven my point.

    Toodle pip for now. I have a train to catch. I hope to pick up on this later

  243. Paul N, I’m not sure that stats are just stats. In the past I have argued that stats can be used along with our observation of the game to triangulate — that two eyes are better than one. Sometimes interesting things come up that make us reconsider opinions formed by watching games. The current favorite example is Denilson’s awesome passing stats. Another is the fact that we one more points per game with Senderos playing then when he did not play. Lately Adebayor’s stats have been thrown around to defend his performances.

    However, I have to agree with Jon Radford that team dynamics count for a lot more. We all know about players who do not have particularly impressive statistics and yet make a huge difference to the game. I would argue that Hleb was such a player — hugely important in both breaking down defenses and in holding the ball and keeping possession. To hear the statistics brigade, we had an awesome season last year, when quite frankly we were quite ordinary for large stretches of the season.

  244. bodad I disagree with your comments about denilson he definitely has the quality to be one of arsenals best players.. Wenger is most pleased with him and although he is not flashy like most brazillians he has all the hall marks of a truelly exceptional talent.Denilson completed more tackles than Carrick ,Marscherano Barry and any other top midfielder in the last season (not to forget 40 more tackles than crooked leg Alonso). although Denilson has only benched for brazil he has captained every national team from the U-15’s and is one of the main keys to Arsene’s team image… The reason I think Wenger has been neglecting the classic 4-4-2 system is that he doubts cesc’s defending qualities with out protective wingers… Hleb and Rosicky were not only amazing in offence but very solid coming back and playing a four man midfield with Walcott and Arshavin is sure to leave alot of space.. Even Clichy relishes the come back of Rosicky as he makes Clichy looks so good… Apparently Rosicky was ready to play Last two games of the season but was thankfully not risked..Fans Futbol memories are very shortand I feel rosicky will be the most crucial element this coming season.. His vision technique and tactical awareness are crucial to the growth and progression of the team and I know we will once again have a chance to admire the wondrous Little Mozart..

  245. JR, I didn’t get to see your reply as I was writing my own post… but good point. I agree.

  246. and I meant to say we “won”, not “one” more points with Senderos in the team…

  247. Interesting day, a bit strange. I can’t really see why Jon Jon upsets some of my fellow bloggers so much. He is a it stuck on Flamini I admit andhe does move the goalposts occasionally.

    My only real gripe with hm is his slagging off of some of the best bloggers on this site that have been here a lot longer than he has.

    A bit of debate in these dog days is necesary to carry us through. I’ve even have followed the technical stuff when all I really want do when watching Arsenal is see them stuff the oppo.

    Then again, maybe Ateeb is right and I have come back soft. I’ll give it a few days.

    Lay off of Ateeb, Shotta, Pz and G4E though JJ. You don’t really want to start a long running fight with them.

  248. Oh, and I’m off to the pub now.

  249. ESPN.com reporting that Real has landed Benzema….

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=658536&sec=transfers&cc=5901

  250. I think you have gone soft, CB

  251. Kitchen Sink, great point. People forget how defensively good and complete a midfielder Rosicky is and they don’t realize how badly we’ve missed him. And its disappointing to see these people belittle Denilson so much. Over the course of the season, Denilson’s overall game improved considerably. Those who saw him go worse as the season progressed definitively have no eyes or they must have been seeing Jermaine Penis.

  252. It’ll be interesting to see how all those players blend in together at Real Madrid. And they still will likely go after Ribery.

    Guess this will likely put Huntelaar into play for a squad in the EPL.

    CaliGooner, agree with you 100% on Hleb. Guy played a big part in setting the table for everyone.

  253. Rosicky’s been easy to forget given his injuries, but going back and watching those games from a few years back, when he and Hleb were out there, it was a very confident group pushing the ball offensively. He’ll be very much welcomed back.

  254. I think it’s a valid point that you can’t rely only on stats, or how players perform in training because the real test, and the real measure is on the field.

    But, you can’t ignore other circumstances that also effect the overall performance of a team, how many first team players out, how many players playing as regulars for the first time, how many new players added to the team and need to adapt.

    The whole thing really comes down to your ability to accept that the players we have are good but needed more time to fit in together and work as a unit.

    Denilson-Song are good players but it’s there first season as regulars. Diaby not even a regular yet.

    Nasri – Arshavin are great players, but new to the team & Arsenal

    Cesc-Ade-Rosicky-Eduardo-Gallas-Toure are all great players and where out for big parts of the season.

    If you eliminate the above, we would have a hell of a team that can challenge seriously for all trophies.

    But, can you also accept that with these issues, we still managed to reach the semi finals of two cups, finished fourth?

    I do, because we can only get better…there is no way we are going backwards from this.

  255. You may be right Frank. I have been out of combat for several weeks and unless faced with Howard charging at me in full nazi gear or AIC whinging on I can’t raise much ire at the moment.

    JonJon seems pretty harmless to me at this time. He’s not Toxic Tommy or that bloke from Chicago who was irritating yesterday.

    My stance will be different when the Phoney War ends and the action starts I am sure.

    Now I really am off for a pint.

  256. Consolsbob,
    Try reading JonJon’s comments, then you might understand why some people find them irritating.

  257. Ateeb-ayor: So you are staying on as our #1 anti-doomer!

    How could you? You are disruptive and arrogant. Sometimes you act as if you alone can take on the entire doomer-brigade. After another ACLFer scores against a doomer, you never rush from your pc and give us a hug.

    I wanna bet all those other blogs did not want an arrogant anti-doomer like you. All the other excellent anti-doomers have signed for other teams an we are stuck with you, a proven anti-doomer.

    Well it is eight weeks before the window closes, and who knows what kind of anti-doomer formation we will have to play. We may have be able to dominate with you on the bench. You may then get fed up and leave.

    Hmmm!

  258. I havent proven your point at all, I am saying that a manager has to have something upon which to base his evaluation of a player.

    As far as stats it is Denilson who has been the player of debate all along so if he isnt a problem to the teams dynamics then I dont see the need for your comment.

    Arsene always chooses players that he feels fits the dynamics of how he want Arsenal to play.

    CG, that exactly whay I said, the manager without the stats would have to look at the player and determine his positioning, if he intercepts the ball and tackle well, no?

  259. “But, can you also accept that with these issues, we still managed to reach the semi finals of two cups, finished fourth?”

    G4E – This is precisely why I found it utterly astounding that there were cries to replace Wenger after the season. For a team that young and injury-riddled to do what it did, in retrospect, rather than curl up and die after those early embarrassments, was terrific.

    Just need to have a little more luck this year.

  260. Arse Chicago Lyon said before lunch today a larger bid was made than the one in reports (by another team) but for now nothing has been agreed upon and all concerning Benzema’s move at the moment is mere speculation

  261. Ateeb-ayor: You are greedy anti-doomer b*st*rd!

  262. Kitchen Sink, I’m only providing you links to stories from CNN and ESPN that have come out in the last 30 minutes which quote Lyon officials from the official club website. Seems pretty solid to me.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/soccer/07/01/karim.benzema.ap/index.html

  263. I think we will ArseChicago, we needed last year experiences and hardships to prepare for next year.

    I would consider last season as a standing still in regard to trophies, we reached Semi finals but couldn’t cross the line and we finished fourth in the league.

    But I have to also consider the gains and a few step forwards for Denilson/Song/Walcott/Gibbs. The addition of Nasri/Arshavin was great.

    Finally the icing on the cake would be the return of Rosicky/Eduardo..adding TV, and any one else we may sign.

    It is certainly something to be looking forward to, not like some wants us to believe it’s something to dread.

  264. Chicago your probably right but earlier today sky quoted that a deal had been accepted and then a couple of hours later rescinded those statement as clarified by Lyon..

  265. G4E, I always live on hope. We can definitely get better. Like everyone, I will be watching the pre-season closely to see if the belief and intensity are there, since those tend to be self-reinforcing. That is what we saw in 2007-2008 for the first 2/3rds of the year. A lot will depend on the injury situation, of course.

    As for last season, I think our arrival at the semi-finals of the CL really flattered to deceive. Rome and Villarreal were not the best competition and we barely got by for large parts of those games. I think we were very disjointed for much of the season with Wenger experimenting different formations and different players right to the end.

  266. oh ..have a look at the time of your article

  267. Its on Lyon’s own website now.

  268. true Barney ..I just won’t be able to help myself if he goes to the Manc’s they don’t deserve his quality

  269. California Gooner,

    It’s unfair to say Roma and Villareal weren’t top opposition.

    Roma were very very motivated to win because the final was in Rome. And they’re a decent team.

    We beat Villareal convincingly and showed we are better than them.

  270. Great post Blackstock. Lol.

    Bob,

    I back Pz’s suggestion that you read Jon Jon’s posts. And I think we’ve gone through all of this before with him, a couple of weeks back. I think that he thinks, that if he returns a couple of weeks later, we might have changed our mind.

  271. Well there are some on here who not very long ago were calling for AW to leave. Some who have blogged on here today. You know who you are.

  272. Shota would did I do? I am here, ain’t I? Huh?

    It’s a long summer. And I kinda like Barca’s new kit, and Madrid’s as well.

  273. our attacking players are good enough to win us the league…if we keep the best ones fit for 80% of the season….

    wenger has already made strides tho improve the defence so we just have to trust his jugement on that….

    i think if we get that CM we lack to add experience in that area the league is ours next season….

    rosicky is already back in training….with him and AA and cesc we have a midfield that will be more dynamic and fluid than barcelonas….

    i think the CL loss to manure really hurt the players….they will be up for it next season… so attitude cannot be in question….wenger was under fire abit too…they owe the manager for standing by them….so the fire will be there…

    the question is do we have the quality to win something…

    with a fully fit squad…i’d say yes we do….

    everyteam gets injuries…but our injuries have been to key players…we need the injuries to come to our squad players instead and we’ll be ok

    having rosicky and dudu out for a year and cesc out for 3 months didnt help us….

    if it was nikki and eboue out for a year and diaby out for 3 months we wouldnt be affected….

    fingers crossed…

  274. ateeb ive already said i dont gve a shit what you think

  275. I would be surprised, even alarmed if the feeling was not mutual.

  276. id agree with that frank but i couldnt care less…

    i like to talk arsenal…ateeb likes to talk shite…and i’m questioned about my love for the club???

    go figure

  277. You have a tendency to talk too much, JonJon.

  278. [...] Cana Dig It? Yes, You Can & All White On The Night (A Cultured Left Foot) “Oh dear Arsene, what are you going to do? Felipe Melo has signed a new contract extension, which explains the transfer buzz that was created around him, at Fiorentina to whom will you turn now that your primary target has probably got a hugely inflated escape clause surrounding him?” [...]

  279. OleGunner, I just disagree. I like Roma both and Villarreal. They are both a bit like Arsenal in their style — clever movement and great ball control, although Roma seems altogether more conservative. However, neither was a top team and neither were a real physical threat. You seem of the opinion that Man U was an aberration while I feel that it was actually more reflective of our actual level at the time of the tie.

  280. the thing what i find about certain bloggers on here is that if they dont agree with you they will automatically ‘brand you’ call you names, make up silly names for you, make fun of your name, make fun of your avatar, nit pick your comments to try make fun of you but after all this the one thing they dont do is give you their opinion on the topic youve raised….

    one thing ive noticed if that if you make a decent comment about something like i did about wenger ball and formations earlier…nobody will pick it up because it provides no fuel for them to try take the piss…

    the moment you say something they dont like they on it like a pack of wolves picking bits out and acting childish….

    its embarrasing for them because it just shows they use the blogs not to support arsenal…but to pass their time making fun of others….

    like i said none of this bothers me…beacause when the season starts i know what i’ll be doing…i’ll be going to as many games as i can and cheering the club like you wouldnt believe…what will they be doing….probably on the blog taking the piss out of someone who says denilson isnt better than alonso….its ridicoulous

    but i will say the only thing that bothers me is all the anti english jibes and mockery of the english….

    ive blogged here a few months now and ive noticed it alot and it concerned me….ive monitered it a while and some days it aint so bad but others its out of order…..

    those people know who they are and i know they arent english so my point is if you want to take the piss out of the english parts of the game then fair enough…but dont support a team that is a cornerstone of english heritage….

    yes we are a multicultural club and weve accepted you with open arms so dont abuse that fact and bite the hand that feeds you because its poor form….arsenal is english… if you wanna take the piss then fuck off and do it to another club….

    we dont need you….

  281. I am English.

  282. The English football establishment is a joke, epitomised by the England team.

  283. California Gooner,

    Man U….I agree they deserved to go through. And they sure looked much stronger than us in that tie. They seemed much further along in their development as a team. But it’s a cup game. If we’d played them when they played Porto and were in worse form, or had faced them with a full team, you never know…

    Roma & Villareal…

    I just think that you can’t hold it against us for beating the teams put in front of us. Which suggests that there were better teams than us which didn’t make it into the semi-finals. And I’m not sure of that.

    Suggesting that if we’d met some other team we woouldn’t have been in the semis. I think we were in the semis on merit.

    Only Liverpool, but then I simply don’ t think Liverpool were better than us. Especially since they were demolished by Chelski much like we were demolished by Man poo.

  284. Arsenal’s contribution to English history is its multicultural character. Even in the middle of last century it was the first club to tour Europe. Historically many, many of its heroes are Scots and Irish. Most of the founding members of the club way back when were Scots.

  285. …and of course that is good, because London’s contribution to the world is its multicultural character. Greatest city in the world. Greatest club in the world. London is not England. Different country.

  286. Fair enough Ole, I don’t fault the team. I simply don’t think we can pretend there wasn’t a big gap between us and the very top. We never felt like a top team. My predominant emotion before games was anxiety — and I have enough of that from other sources.

    I really hope we go into the new season with more focus and drive. Chelsea and Man U are both still strong but will have periods of adjustment. Liverpool may actually be weakened when the season begins. If our midfield can start to control games again and perhaps Song/Denilson/Diaby can have a Flamini (07-08 vintage) season we will be on our way. With belief and luck with injuries, this could be our year.

  287. frank….nope..you got it wrong mate….we are not talking about the national team mate or the set up….

    which i also agree are a joke by the way…we are talkig about something totally different…

    like i said they know who they are..

  288. “Roma were very very motivated to win because the final was in Rome. And they’re a decent team.

    We beat Villareal convincingly and showed we are better than them.”

    Roma beat Chelsea in a group-stage match and Man U failed to score against Villareal home or away, so I would definitely say we did not have easy opposition in those two teams.

  289. YW

    You said earlier formations aint important, yadda yadda,…. Cant really agree with that, well, not considering that AW said he is CHANGING the fornation tio suit the players we have better next season!

    I think it will be the 4-2-3-1 with either Eduardo or Ade as the lone striker…..

    Thats if we have any players at the club by August…

  290. Found the Werder manangers comments about naldo hilarious…. Trying to big him up in one line, while at the same time saying he wont be needed the next! He can score a top free kick, but erm, defending??? Nah

  291. F*cking Wenger! Benzema gone to Real! I told all my ManU friends in the play ground we definitely 100% had him in the bag and that tight git lets him slip thru the net yet a0fookingain….

    Bastardoooo!!!

  292. hahaha spike i love your comments…

    i agree mate it will be that formation…but not so rigid….

    it will alternate between that and 442

    the CB’s and the CM’s will keep their position…but the fullbacks will play wing and the front 4 will swop over and interchange

    wenger ball will be back next season…watch this space…

  293. Spike,

    Since the entire Arsenal squad cost something like £70M to assemble, Real Madrid are planning a bid for our squad.

    And Toxic Tommy tells us we have no choice in these things…..

  294. No I didn’t get it wrong, JonJon. The people to whom you are referring are not anti-English. They are against people who bang on about English players and mythical ‘English’ attributes. I agree with them.

  295. The stats argument, though tired, is instructive. Probably the best person to ask is AW himself since he’s the one choosing the team. Now I don’t know him and live thousands of miles away but I do read the Arsenal magazine and they have a passage that speaks to this very argument in their interview with Wenger. I’ll quote verbatim.
    “There’s no doubt he (Wenger) has a head for figures though. He puts great emphasis and trust in the stats he receives from ProZone. There’s no laptop or computer in his training ground office, but a large screen for analysing the games and a huge pile of printed sheets detailing the data for various pass completion rates, tackling success, distance covered etc.”

    Sort of makes you wonder.

    Oh, and JJ, good comment about the formations. I’m not much of a tactician when it comes to footy so, while I found your comment interesting and thought-provoking, I did not choose to comment on it. I’m much more apt, as you point out, to rise to the lure when someone is slagging off people unfairly.

    Cheers

  296. Hi, Let me just eavesdrop into Ole Gunner’s and California Gooner’s debate.

    Um, firstly I’ll like to start talking about the Roma/Villarreal similarities. Funnily enough those two are my favourite teams in their respective countries (and Barca) but regarding the latter; Villarreal have always looked a good team, have strength (Eguren and Senna). It is strange to see them not do as well but what is it?

    They have the strength like I said and what people said Arsenal are missing, play good football with clever technical players.

    Ultimately they let in too many goals and having heard Pellegrini’s philospohies as much is down to their attacking play. They leave too much open because they are expansive therefore causing much strain to their play.

    Arsenal are similar but last season we didn’t play as effectively. Our attack is our defense essentially as we have the ball so much. If we lose it we have to keep a good shape. Flamini was brilliant at this although his stats were inferior. Denilson had great stats and he seemed like a load bearer. He wasn’t helped great enough as it is all about team collective.

    This article will probably sum up what I’m trying to say.
    http://arsenalcolumn.wordpress.com/2009/06/04/a-season-in-review-%E2%80%93-the-defence/

    On another note mental aspects such as decision making and understanding team collective is not understood by many as much when quantifying a players strengths/weaknesses.

  297. Cannot understand the hostility sdhown to Jonjon on here by some posters??? Sure, for twats who post pure bile and garbage to get a reaction… But when someone, a fellow GOONER, posts honest, thought out stuff, only to be slated and made purile jokes of, I seriously dont get it….

    Why can’t we all just get along people???

  298. spike i really wanted benzema…i thought if theres one player out there that all the top clubs want but wenger could nab and piss them off it would be him….

  299. Are you trying to turn this blog into a cross between Avenell Road and LeGrove, JonJon. If so, you are succeeding. The whole blog will be winking away like a fucking goodun soon. Standards are dropping.

  300. Oh dam! Everyones back again! I thought I was out rambling on my own…

    B*llocks!

  301. Well Jonjon, we can get Benzema on loan when it all goes tits up for Real… round about January by my calculations!

  302. Frank;

    You did mean winking, right?

  303. awww spike that brought a tear to my eye…now how much do i owe you????

    no frank…im not trying anything mate…im just a gooner trying to connect with other gooners…broadening my horizons if you will…i cant help it if some of them are tits…but thats not my problem mate…its theirs….

  304. JJ;

    I said, why cant we ALL get a long???

  305. will benzema go though spike…

    he wants to keep his 1st team place for the world cup……

    but he get 1st team footy at real…??

  306. “If our midfield can start to control games again and perhaps Song/Denilson/Diaby can have a Flamini (07-08 vintage) season we will be on our way.”

    Sorry, but this comment really p*sses me off! Song/Denilson/Diaby are different players to Flamini and the latter did not achieve anything on his own – he was very fortunate to be part of an experienced and highly effective midfield quartet.

    The reality is that Flamini might well have struggled last season alongside an off-form Cesc and no Rosicky or Hleb. He had his strengths, he made his contribution for which I thank him, but he is gone now so it’s time to move on and stop comparing every midfield player to him because he is not superman and he is not the definitive template for how a DM should play.

    Football is a team game. In 07/08 the whole team played well as a unit and we all saw the results. Last season the team was disjointed and inconsistent due to key player departures, inexperienced replacements and injuries, which impacted on the team chemistry. Hence why Arsene’s main priority is to keep the existing team together.

  307. sorry spike..

  308. Can you imagine, Man City sign Eto’o and teves and next season, after leaving United, ciomplaining of not gettin enough games, Teves spends most of the year, on the effin bench!

  309. i dont think citeh will get either of those players mate….

    those players wanna play CL footy and can get good wages at any top european club…

    mancity may offer them 50k a week more but will that make up for the fact they arent in europe???

  310. Paul N – You seem to still be missing my point. I talk about team dynamics (which, incidentally is a stat free issue) and you talk about individual peformance. An individual is a composite part to team dynamics. Again, I reiterate that I have not mentioned individual players. A team dynamic exists of a blend of players that harmonise to attempt to achieve optimum performance. Players contribute to that in different ways but the sum is greater than the individual parts. Dynamics take into consideration a multitude of factors and not just player’s individual performance and underlying stats

  311. it might appeal to players like barry and bellamy but eto’o and tevez?????

  312. JonJon,

    “yes we are a multicultural club and weve accepted you with open arms so dont abuse that fact and bite the hand that feeds you because its poor form….arsenal is english… if you wanna take the piss then fuck off and do it to another club….”

    Am sorry but this is yet another deluded bullshit statement to make.

    You rant and make cliched arguments against the board, players and manager on a daily basis. Is that not biting the hand that feeds you? Go figure.

  313. We are talking about English Grit Frank…JonJon is very protective of the “English Grit” sold in liquid or in lard jars…or any kind of English grit.

    While there is nothing wrong with the grit, persistence, and courage of the English people over 2000 years or more of history.

    I have an issue with the “English Grit” in football, which may be nice if it’s about %5 of other traits needed for a decent team to win a trophy.

    On the other hand, if you try to convince me that “English Grit” alone is enough for you to win a trophy…then I’m sorry, you invite me to ridicule your comment. It’s un-avoidable “My Friend”

    Hope you got that this time?

  314. I also really dont wanna see nasri wasted in the CM as a defensive minded player… Unless we are down to the bare bones and its either him or Doris the Tea lady and even then, Doris is a right old terrier….

    As for Diaby? I really hope he comes good, he was looking soooo good till that thug snapped his ankle, since then he has been a picture of inconsistency, IMO…. Having him partner Cesc maybe the way to go, we will soon see, but out of the 3 favourites, he has the least chance of coming good now, for me and that is a complete reversal of how I thought things would end up, from this time last year….

    Just goes to show, things change, players can surprise you (positively and negatively) and its good to keep an open mind… Although Arshavin is crap innit…

  315. Spike, if you spot a piece for dry humour, piece of double entendre, that sort of stuff. Try to resist the urge to point out to everyone that you understood it by explaining. Bad timing. Ruinously unfunny.

    I think I preferred the trolls. The exchanges on here are becoming dull beyond belief.

  316. nasri as a DM is a no no for me…why take away one of our weapons that provides us with direct play and nuetralise him in a defensive role???

    dont get it….

  317. Frank;

    Sorry, oh jeez, I really messed up there….slap my legs.

    Gallas is staying = Great news. He is the best CB we have at the club by far.
    Seems Senderos aint wanted by the club. I always thought he would make it at AFC, he’s a right proper old skool defender; gets his head in there where it hurts. Too many lazy hacks and twats kept bringing up one game where Drogba got the better of him at a time when Drogba was doin that to every fucker and not just inexpereicned 21 yr old CBs….

  318. Brain, I checked out your article. Interesting as always. Reading further down, I’m not convinced we need another midfielder. Following the suggestion that possession is 3/4ths of our defense, I wonder how good we could be with a midfield triangle of Nasri, Cesc and Rosicky (rotate in Denilson Diaby Song, and maybe Eboue) with a mobile frontline of Arshivin, Eduardo and RVP or Adebayor or Theo or Bendtner or Vela, etc…

    I guess I would really like us to follow the Barca example and be true to ourselves — passing circles around teams and running their big, lumbering players into the ground. And we already have the players to do that.

  319. Yeah, it is a bit dull on here, I prefer it when Doomers Inc/Family is about…

  320. Jon Jon — I get what you are saying about Nasri not being a DM, but he does get stuck in, he does understand the game, and he does do much better when played centrally…

  321. JonJon,
    Would you describe yourself as a gritty person?

  322. John Radford BigLeggy,

    Psychology and team dynamics count for a lot. Belief is king. If you have a world footballer of the year in Denilson (hypothetically), playing exactly as he played last season, his overall impact on team results would have been amplified.

    You’re right. Cesc-Flamini-Rosicky-Hleb is a midfield of friends and mutual admirers who really got each other’s game.

    But I disagree with you that stats give us no insight into team dynamics. I’m going to stop calling them stats. I’m going to start calling them facts.

    Take the fact that Denilson was the player in the Premier League who had the most touches on the ball in the Premier League. Much more than the next. What this tells us is that his team mates trust him. And he does a job for them, that’s why they pass to him.

    If you’ve played football or any sports (I bet you have) you know that sports men pass the ball to people they trust with possession. Football flows through the quality players. But it’s also a thing of person to person dynamics. If the guy’s an arsehole they won’t pass to him. Ditto if they think he’s sh1te but they like him.

    In the end, on this blog today, the views being expressed are not as far apart as it seems…..

  323. looking at last season, we had a slow start as the team came to grips with a new midfield, then struggled mid season with so many of our creative players out. Things started to look better once AA joined and the creative players began to come back from injury, then almost the entire defense dissapeared over night before the semi-final with Chelsea! From that point on AW had to set the team up much more defensively to cope with the inexperience of Gibbs, Fabianski and to a lesser extent Djourou.
    I still feel though that playing our normal 4-4-1-1 the team looks more confident and comfortable.
    Of course you have to fit the formation to players available but I’m sure we have enough multi talented players to to fit whatever system AW decides to play, especially if we improve our strength in depth at the back.

  324. cali gooner

    yes he does but in an attacking role not defense i would of thought

    yes polly….full of grit…english grit…have you a problem with that?????

  325. Benzema has gone to Real….

    Boo Hoo! The big boys are goin to stick my head down the toilet again…. I hate being the only Gooner in school…

  326. hahaha

    ole i like that stats-facts…

  327. Full of grit. Yes. Very close to my opinion.

  328. has he gone fo definate…. oh well at least the mancs didnt get him…whos left for them now??

    crouch???

    bent???

    voronin???

  329. yess ole gunner

  330. Spike, JonJon. This is now your blog comments section. Bye.

  331. i can understand your beef with me frank because i know you dont like me

    but spike??? who doesnt like blogging with spike???

  332. No wit. No art. No Africans. No non-English contributors. Repeat the same inane drivel over and over and over again. It all descends into the same fucking gloop. I just can’t stand your comments boys. And I have no energy to respond to them.

  333. Haha Poliziano :) I hope there is any room left for some intelligence just to understand what you meant.

  334. “If our midfield can start to control games again and perhaps Song/Denilson/Diaby can have a Flamini (07-08 vintage) season we will be on our way.”

    Sorry, but this comment really p*sses me off! Sorry for pissing you off Passenal. I think you completely misread my comment. I was not comparing Song/Denilson/Diaby to players to Flamini. I was suggesting that one of them (or all of them) might make the leap from solid role player to ass-kicking world-beater. My point is that Denilson as part of a midfield with Cesc and Rosicky and Nasri may be ready to do that, combining some of the flair he showed early in the year with the solidity he gained in the middle of the season. Song and Diaby have the potential as well.

    Is there a problem with that?

  335. ok frank

  336. Whoops… my comment should have started with “Sorry for pissing you off…” I guess I got my quote wrong.

  337. At least Arsenal have Walcott as our poster boy and mascot .. with out him and his twinkly eyes to oppose the hoards we’d surely be done for..

  338. you know summat lads i know exactly what you mean….it doesnt go over my head it just doesnt deserve a response

    polly meant full of shit… there you happy…

    G4E you really are a thicky aint ya…

  339. Spike, be grateful that he hasn’t gone to Man U or the playground would be even more unbearable!

    It does amuse me though that the papers aren’t full of doom and gloom about Man U selling the world footballer of the year and replacing him with a Wigan player

  340. Passenal,

    5 star comment @ 7.36 PM.

    Flamini did a good job for us even before his final breakthrough in 07/08 but he’d never had that kind of impact before and he wasn’t exceptional at AC Milan after either. He might have struggled this year.

  341. JonJon, you have been dodging my question for 3 hours now. Who is this “leader” you say bloggers here follow? Please show some of your legendary grit and answer the question.

  342. Passenal;

    Spot on. Funny that we release 8 kids and its an “exodus” Whereas United lose their main attacking threat, match winner as well as Teves and…Nope, not a thing!

    Hilarious!

  343. JJ,

    Good Comments throughout but I can’t believe you thought Benzy was going to come here though.
    Apart from saying he wanted to go to Spain, Aulas always gets top money for Lyon players – and they weren’t going to miss out on taking RM for a ride.

    Benzy is only 21. Think about it – your 21 and Zidane arrives on your doorstep to tell you that RM are offering you banana money to play with Kaka, Ronaldo, Ribery et al……….and your supposed to say – Im very flattered, but considering that the Club is a circus and that its had about 400 managers in the last 5 years – I think given my age and maturity – I’d be better served playing for a proven manager who develops youth like Wenger. Only very smart young lads like Cesc might think in those lines.

    No doubt he’s a goodplayer – but he’s not worth that type of money at his age. Ronaldo is a fine player too – but it was utter madness paying that type of money for him.

    Its no wonder Wenger turned down Madrid, again.!!

  344. Ole

    i could see flamini had it in him though to make a breakthrough like he did…

    i suppose they same applies to you with denilson…

    i’ll tell you what though mate if denilson does it i’ll search the blogs until i find you and i’ll admit you were right….

  345. yaaaay he got it….let’s celebrate this unbelievable break-through

  346. Wow, so Ole also thinks my comment was about Flamini or that I am comparing our current DMs to Flamini. I am not! I was simply noting the ability for a player to raise his game and confidence level from one season to the next when surrounded by the right players and noting that our existing options can easily do that. So, I guess we all agree — I only object to being used as a straw-man in this debate.

  347. Frank;

    I have no idea what your problem with me is> Apaert from the fact I am devilshly good looking and a real wit (oh can you imagine the larks we can have with that one?)

    But, nope, dont get it, but….erm, bothered…

  348. imo Denilson is a useful DM but does not quite cut it. he is not good at tracking back and the stats that show lots of completed passes are pretty … but they ain’t tell the whole story… Diaby imo on the other side of the coin … if he cut out the mistakes.. can be summat special… but i ain’t gonna hold my breath…

    in the other category imo comes song.. song is just to slow at tracking back… not as bad as denilson.. but still needs a lot of work imo.. if we make the position of dm and important one.. as we shuld do. cos we leaked a lot of goals last summer.. then we doesnt play song denilson or diaby and instead go for someone on youtube like cana or inler

    cana imo is good on the ball and cana put foot in.. we need dat at arsenal cos we are lightweight and lost semi finals of fa cup thru not being strong… but imo we need make sure he’s playing defencive role and not attacking role…

    neither denilson, song or diaby are arsenal playas imo

  349. G4e, to celebrate this momentous occasion lets down a peroni. Its the doomer’s favourite drink.

  350. Jon Jon, I must admit that you have amazing powers. I think, that you could be the first human being to bore someone to death.

    Great post Passenal!!

  351. joe

    i didnt really believe we could match the financial bullshit that is real madrid

    i thought though if there was a manager out there that a young french lad wanted to play for it would be wenger…and we now wengers capable of enticing these players

    i suppose it was a dream…but footballs about that sometimes…if you had no dreams what would you achieve…

    i dream of us lifting the treble but that doesnt always become a reality does it???

    ive always said wenger would never go to a team like madrid…

    wengers a legacy hunter…a legacy creator…he does things his own way..the football way…

    he wouldnt have the time now to build anything at madrid like he has done with us….and the principles they have are totally against his

    therefore it doesnt appeal to him and never has…

    wenger will stay with us until he finishes the job…

  352. ateeb

    and you could bore a glass eye to sleep but each to thier own

  353. Lmao Muppet.

    The use of the words “summat”, “imo” and no use of capitals. Your attention to detail is superb.

  354. A round of Peroni then Alex :)

  355. Today is my first time on this blog butI have to say I am pleased with the levels of info sharing, maturity, objectivity and optimism there are some really sad blogs out there…If any of you read the Arsenal Truth you’ll know what I’m on about.. Greetings

  356. muppet u’r a star imo :)

  357. hahahaha hi fives all round fellas your so creative..my sides are splitting you set of geeks…

    oohhh poor grammer….oohhh poor spelling…

    hahaha…

  358. hello kitchen sink…

  359. Arsenal Truth has to be on a wind up surely? That twat is unbelievable.. Not as bad as Gooner Forum for knee jerky pre-pubescent reactionary wailing and whining

  360. OK, a Perroni… but its the middle of the day here and I have to get back to work…

  361. Kitchen Sink,

    We apologize that you had to go through Jon Jon’s post. Usually people like him get the hint that they are really unwanted and leave. We’re working on it, though, just need Bob to step up and do his share of work.

    Lol Muppet. I regret to inform you that HE(JON JON) won’t get the hint. How blatant do we need to get? It’s really irritating to scroll down the page, and you have Mister T staring at you. Hell. Long , repetitive posts, with absolutely nothing original. And then the whignes and the moans, and the declaration that his day’s effort goes unappreciated when he decides to put in a thought in 1 out of his 100 posts. He could win the most irritating blogger award, since, Howards departure.

  362. Mmmm… Loved the post today – until the last hour or so.. QoS – her usual witty self.. PZ – too clever by half! – Cretan 2000 Bob off to the pub.. JJ talking too much..Passenal (dammit!) absolutely right..
    Atleast no-one calls Flamini (yawn) “The Flamster” anymore ~ a big relief.

    Just one point to make: Ade is becoming part of things again..atlast! We have so many goalscorers atm it’s unreal. And well done rambo! Look forward to seeing you, erm, in the flesh!

  363. Arsenal Truth is the catalogue of a middle-aged (or approaching middle age) man’s self hate reconciled with contempt for certain things Arsenal.

    Myles Palmer is the best example of a clever cretin in the world (no offense to cretins), and a rather shameless parasite.

    Arseblog. Some players must exist to ridicule. Without ridicule, there’s no comedy.

    Muppet: You’re the king. God you’re so clever….LMAO

    Cali Gooner—No I didn’t think you were talking about Denilson.

  364. yes the banter is strong and humuorous with this one

  365. Ole;

    Lets not get onto Myles Palmer, please! He really must be goin thru some kinda naval gazing, self-hate, mental breakdown right about now… His loathing for Arsene has increased to epic proportions… maybe its just a vain attempt to get hits from Newsnow???

  366. I’m really beginning to miss Howard’s epigrammatic style.

  367. Spike – you have opened a very old and filthy can of worms there!!

  368. spike…

    have i blogged with you before on another site??? but you werent called spike then???

    your style is familiar….

  369. alex,

    you really do read le grove alot! peroni is a doomers favourite drink lol!!

  370. hi kirby…

  371. Come on guys don’t be hard on him, he left the retarted neighborhoods of LG and wants to join the cool neighborhood kids of ACLF.

    He has some anger issues to work on, some residual doomamine in his blood still exist but he’s just doing his best…

    Well that transition train still runs between,
    Quad-le-Grovier and ACLF civille,
    And at dead of night the whistle blows,
    And people fear she’s running still…
    And far away in some recess
    The boy who left and the ACLF Fellas are now playing chess,
    The Fellas still beats and wins more debates,
    And as for the poor boy, well, he’s just doing his best…

  372. It’s interesting that JonJon notices the minor details of Muppet’s satire – the grammar, the spelling – but completely misses the important truth that it contains. It’s also interesting that he, like Tommy, fails to realise that a man is never amused by a joke told at his own expense. In fact, his stony face merely proves the quality of the wit.

  373. Ponyboy;

    Yeah, soirry about that…. But he irks the beejayzuss outta me…. Should ignore him I know

    Jonjon;

    Wrighty7???

  374. hi jon jon.

    just reading mainly but saw a bullshit comment and just had to write something.

    how are you?

  375. G4E

    i’ll do you a deal….if you tell me who cliff bastin is i promise i’ll be reasonable with you and for half an hour tonight…we’ll talk arsenal…we’ll share veiws….tell me why you supprted arsenal and i’ll tell you why i did….tell me what you love about arsenal and i’ll tell you what i love…..just me and you one and one….if it doesnt work and we still hate eachother fair enough…but i’d like to try…

    what do you say????

  376. I don’t like Perroni, where does that leave me then???

  377. nah spike….before wrighty7…

    did you blog under a different name with me and avenell on another site?????

    im good kirby mate…

  378. he is on the internet jon jon, he will find it quickly.

  379. kirby,

    Your English has improved since we last met. Not sufficent to pass 5th grade but you will get there. You seem to be reading a lot of ACLF.

  380. do you like red stripe spike????

  381. Sorry Ponyboy, but this is funny;

    http://www.arsenalvision.co.uk/yourvision.php?articleid=1237

  382. “just reading mainly but saw a bullshit comment and just had to write something.”

    Please we apologize we offended you. Please, don’t write anything. I’ll take the comment back from whoever wrote it. Just don’t post. PLEASE NO. You will suck the life out of this blog. There is only a little left, JOn JOn is doing an incredible job.

  383. i enjoy reading everyones comments alex.

    don’t like getting slagged off for grammer, thought i would improve it.

    i’m not here for a grade, i come to talk arsenal and football, sometimes on here that isn’t that easy.

  384. ateeb-

    stop moaning.

  385. Vodka/Gin and tonic… Brandy and coke… Sherry…

  386. kirby,

    Am sorry. Your erudition is an asset to this blog. Your support to JJ is also invaluable. Please continue reading bullshit comments here.

  387. umbongo????

  388. Arsenal were in the last 8 of europe 2 years ago, the last 4 this time. They were there on merit, beat the teams they had to. Only Chelsea, with Liverpool, had to play a top team before the semi’s, but that is because only Barca last season could challenge the english teams – no one else. This may make us seem less good, because we are not the best within our league last year, but europe wide we were easily top 8 last season. That is what it is, maybe standards were poor, but we were top continental class. This year will be much tougher, we do it again there can be no argument.

    OLE – to go back a ways dude, we can play a barca game, we just need our defense winning the one-on-ones in space in the break against direct sides. We can dominate possession though, score a ton, and should run most teams ragged with our pace and passing. That sort of 4-3-3 mate.

  389. We must be signing Ribery then…. Makes perfect sense now! We let Real get Benzema, fucking ManU up at the same time, while we slip into bavaria in the dead of night, like Clint Eastwood and Richard Burton in the Eagle has Landed and nab our Nazi, erm, I mean, French winger…

  390. If there’s something strange
    on your blog
    Who ya gonna call?
    DOOMERBUSTERS

    If there’s something weird
    and it sucks the life
    Who ya gonna call?
    DOOMERBUSTERS

    I ain’t afraid of no Doomers
    I ain’t afraid of no Doomers

    If you’re reading comments
    that makes no sense
    Who can ya call?
    DOOMERBUSTERS

    I ain’t afraid of no Doomers
    I ain’t afraid of no Doomers

    If you’ve had a dose of a
    freaky Doomer guy
    Ya better call
    DOOMERBUSTERS

    Don’t get caught alone no no

    DOOMERBUSTERS

    When it comes through your blog
    Unless you just want some more
    I think you better call
    DOOMERBUSTERS

    Who ya gonna call?
    DOOMERBUSTERS

    P.S Requiring an assistant that could perform Doomer Exorcism.

  391. arsene hollis…

    if we get the balance of our team sorted out we will play the arsenal way at 100%…

    which would match the barca way and more….

  392. Spike – you mean Where Eagles Dare.

    The Eagle Has Landed I think was a film with Michael Caine about an assination plot to Churchill.

  393. Ateeb,

    You completely crack me up. Do you take the piss out of your fellow pakistanis in urdu in much the same way ?

  394. alex,

    look people are not going to agree with jon jon all the time but i can see he knows his arsenal so thats why i back him up

    the second jon jon or me said anything you didnt agree with we were labelled doomers.

    now you disagree with everything, even when there is a chance that you understand what we are saying its childish

    how often do we call you an akb?
    never?

  395. JonJon…

    You really think Cliff Bastin is a tricky question that will tell you if I’m real Arsenal fan or not? You don’t think I can look it up online?

    Sorry “My Friend” not enough time to tell my Arsenal story again, I’m at work. If you are really willing to put the effort and want to know my history with Arsenal, read the archives of ACLF in the last 3 years JonJon.

    Fair enough?

  396. spike…you think we would get ribery???

    i dunno….i reckon wenger would have got him before he went to bayern if he wanted him

    i got a theory that wengers waiting for the firesale at madrid to start before he makes a move…

    theres a few players over there that would be useful to the squad…and if real want rid they could be wenger cheap?????

  397. “I’m really beginning to miss Howard’s epigrammatic style.”

    He’s too afraid to come here anymore, even under an assumed name. But he’s still about as I saw one of his paranoid posts somewhere today.

  398. Muppet;

    I ;ways get those 2 mixed up! Cheers!

  399. G4E

    i would of thought that you wouldnt need to go online to find out who cliff was

    you know summat mate….

    i’ll meet you half way…i’ll check the archives and get the basic stuff….

    then tomorrow when weve both got time we’ll sit and chat arsenal and not throw shit at each other????

  400. always

  401. Superb film, and book – Where Eagles Dare.

  402. Jon Jon, I think Spike was being sarcastic about Ribery. There was no need for you to write 3 paragrpahs of crap, as armchair manager.

    Muppet, the language fluctuates alot, depending on the audience. But there are both pros and cons using either english or urdu.

  403. kirby,

    I am a card holding member of the AKB. You can call me that anytime. Only on the blog you frequent is AKB a slur.

  404. Broadsword to DannyBoy…. Broadsword to DannyBoy….

    JonJon;

    Nah mate, I was just reacting to the tabloid BS about us offering Bendtner and £30m for him…

  405. maybe spike was ateeb…

    i was ony asking…

  406. hahahaha spike…

    i dont think bendys going anywhere and i cant see us parting with 30mil….

    escpecially 30mil and a player….

    i havent seen that rumour mate…sorry…

  407. The funny thing is that those called AKB embrace it but those called Doomers, D&G, & antigoons don’t embrace it. Maybe it’s not something to be proud of afterall.

  408. Second rate punk huh ?

  409. I just don’t know how Cliff Bastin is going to help you deciphering my entire Arsenal knowledge base?

    So if I know Cliff Bastin’s middle name, is that mean I’m a better supporter?
    ==

    Why would I want to sit with someone who throws sh*t? You haven’t done enough of that already, you want to have an appointment too? :)

  410. JJ,

    Unabashed recent supporter of Arsenal here, from America no less, who only became aware of The Arsenal when Bergkamp joined as he was the footballer I followed. In the close season this year I decided, after reading ACLF for some time and realizing that I knew nothing of the history of the club, to educate myself a little bit. It’s book learning only for me, I’m afraid, as I’m not from the N5 area. However, having just finished Highbury, the Story of Arsenal in N5, by John Spurling and prior to that his book “Rebels for the Cause” now I know who Cliff Bastin is.

    Of course my knowledge of one of the all time great Gunners means nothing about my qualifications as a supporter today. If you think only a “real” Arsenal supporter is someone who knows who Cliff Bastin is than you need to wake up in the 21’st century. While knowledge of a club’s history may be important to some, times and reasons for supporting have changed. No longer are the only Arsenal supporters those who were pissed off when the club moved from the sewage grounds at Woolwich to Highbury adding an hour to their match-day commute. Arsenal is a global brand with new fans every day who have never heard of Wilf Copping, Peter Storey, or Bastin, or even Chapman and Graham and Norris.

    Is this bad? Of course not, don’t be daft. Does this mean that some of the history of the club is being forgotten? Perhaps, but the club could do more than it currently is to rectify this problem and a lot of the regular bloggers on this site have done a fair bit too. I’ve been educated by a lot of the people on here who don’t just spout that this player is rubbish and that player needs to go like you started off yesterday doing.

    Am I a better Arsenal supporter than I was before reading those books? No, just one who appreciates the history, the meaning of it, and can place the current team in its proper historical context, something a lot of people who post on here would benefit from greatly.

  411. fine keep calling me a doomer i know i’m not i won’t ask for anyone to stop anymore.

  412. Lol @ Gunner4ever.. knowing Cliff Bastin’s mothers maiden name obviously puts you in the upper echelon of Arsenal supporters..

  413. Looks like the name changes worked then Spike?

  414. LMAO…didn’t think of that KS :) I have to add that to my knowledge base.

    I don’t want to get surprised in a curfew by the Arsenal Knowledge Police

  415. Spike (earlier) – yeah..grinning!

    @jj – You know alot about our club, but calling everyone “mate”…or am I just too sensitive ?? Or, heaven forbid, a bit middle-clarse ?

    ACLF is a great blog because there is a mix of wit and wisdom.. when one becomes top-heavy, it’s just a turn-off. Ok – rant over.. gotta get those Zombies!

  416. Lorik Cana it’s my first choice. Good balance, perfect header, a real warrior on the pitch and he is cheap.

    He is the best choice

  417. I sort of agree with Consolbob…I don’t think Jon-Jon is a lost cause.

  418. gris gris i have no beef with you mate…none whatsoever….

    i dont know why you felt the need to write that comment but im glad you have and i have the utmost respect for that…i found it interesting and moving and bergkamp is one of my all time heros and i would easliy share a jar with you and talk about bergkamp all day long…

    the cliff bastin comment was just a curious comment that would lead to a discussion about english grit….

    bastin and wright were both english and held the records for the clubs top scorer before the great henry showed up….both bastin and wright had ‘english grit’ as part of their game….

    the same could be applied to tony adams…a measure of true english grit and also one of the greatest captians of all time….

    ray parlour david rocastle martin keown especally of my time all showed grit and all were english

    now having grit doesnt mean you have to be english….not one bit….

    but if certain bloggers want to mock the grit of the english especially they need to be more specific about what they write because as you can see it can lead to offence….

    now im not saying we need more english grit but im not against it either so it is a phrase i dont appreciate being used in a derogatory manner….

    i hope that clears it up and i apologise if you taken offence to my earlier post….i wasnt directed at you….

  419. No one is calling you a doomer Kirby. You’re just a sidekick to the doomers. You could yet be cured. It will take time, but we’re seeing improvments in you. The first step was the grammar, and you’re deffinately picking it up.

  420. I have speadfastly refused to join in any debate about Cana. I just haven’t seen him play very much.

    I wonder if everyone who has seen as little of him as I had the said as little about him as I do…would there be any conversations about him at all?

  421. But is Cana the answer to the problem in our midfield?

  422. QoS;
    I never saw him on there…?

  423. Ahhh…I knew it. It’s all about the grit isn’t it.

    If it any consolation

    “GRIT” wherever you’re, and in whatever form you come, liquid or bars…I’m sorry GRIT, I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings…I didn’t know you’re so sensitive about your weight.

  424. Ahh Lorik Cana…. Surely he cana be the answer to all our problems

  425. QoS –
    Agree! But his posts are rather short, and infrequent….

    btw: Denis Compton!! Ok..only scored 15 goals..but he was playing cricket for England at the time…
    Different days, yes – but still an amazing sportsman!

  426. He has posted on there before i’m sure Spike. (if that is your real name!)

  427. you still dont get it do you G4E….

  428. lorik canas a you tube myth…..

  429. Cricket needs grit too…but for any one who watches it not the players.

  430. Not till I’m done making fun of it JonJo. :)

  431. Nice one G4E…but it’s only five days….and you can even buy snacks these days!

  432. i dont have to prove anything i say what i feel ateeb whether you think its right or wrong.

    i rarely insult or take what someone has said and twist it.

  433. Pboy

    Five days of Cricket non-stop? Oh dear God, I don’t even have enough grit in my pantry to cover 5 minutes.

  434. G4E – It’s Attention…erm, attenti….att..it’s a disorder you have ! LBW!! Back to the pavilion with you… Mmmm… that sounds slightly wrong..

  435. Ya it does..

  436. I’m going to give GRIT a break…

    I’m going to lunch..

  437. So, the Gallas is atying story didnt take long to be twisted into something negative did it…

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/jul/01/arsenal-william-gallas-arsene-wenger

  438. Jesus fucking christ. From being the most interesting Arsenal blog out there todays comments have been the most inane, enervating fucking tripe I have read in a long time. I hope this fucking crap is not going to continue. Nothng funny, nothng informative. Just fucking drivel.

    JonJon you ae a genius. People have tried and failed to bring down the interesting and intellgent community on this blog. But you found the secret weapon. Utter, utter mundanity and your very dull friends think you are great. What a fucking dullard.

    I am not even going to say fuck off. Because I am going to fuck off. I will send my thanks to YW privately. There has to be a better way to create an interesting,creative community of Arsenal supporters than this. This is just like one long migraine, or its equivalent, Proctalgia Frugax.

    …Arsenal….

  439. Who is the guy masquerading as Frank ?

  440. Dunno what you did Muppet, but you really pissed him off…. Bad show old bean!

  441. That’s not Frank, our Frank wiould hand out the f*ck offs anyways

  442. lol frank has lost it.

  443. That is not Frank. Different avatar.

  444. An avatar is a temporary manifestation of a continuing entity. Very personal indeed. Fuck with a persons avatar and you are fucking with his very soul. Fucking bastards.

  445. Divine intervention. YW is much, much cleverer than you think.

  446. 6th July is when next season’s campaign begins. Players converging on London Colney from all over the world.

  447. I back divine intervention in this rare case. You can’t do much when a doomer has no self respect, and has liquid memory, where he completey forgets what has been handed to him over the time. He starts everyday with a clean slate.

  448. oh dear…

    ===

    Some news suggest Birmingham as seeking a loan for Arsenal’s Armand Traore, I would give those fu*kers a pair of his old dirty socks.

    I would really be so pissed of at Arsene and Arsenal if they allow any player we have on loan for this sh*t manager & club.

  449. Totally agree G4E.

    Alex McLeish has still not apologised to us about Eduardo’s injury. He stood steadfast behind Tiny Taylor then and now. If Traore has to go on loan let it be to any club apart from Birmingham or Hull.

  450. Right Alex, there are many clubs other than these two.

    I don’t think Arsene would do that, but who knows? I hope not.

  451. As fans we can afford to react emotionally, but the club would need to consider what is in the best interest of the player’s development. If Armand is given a chance to gain first team experience with a premiership club, they probably cannot afford to turn it down however they might personally feel about Birmingham City FC.

  452. I agree with Passenal. I doubt very much whether there is bad blood between the clubs at a managerial level.

  453. True, I’m reacting on a personal level :) and I have bad blood with Birmingham.

    We could even sell him to them if it’s in our best interest and his. I just hope it doesn’t happen.

  454. Birmingham City used to be called Small Heath, having seriously considered Ploughed Field and Bog. They eventually changed the name to disguise the fact that they play on a small heath. But it is not that simple is it? As we saw in that fateful day more than a season ago.

  455. its very rare that when wenger loans a player out…that player goes on to become a 1st teamer….

    armand has both clichy and gibbs and now TV in front of him and so the only other option is winger….

    but wenger doesnt use wingers and again AA rosicky and nasri are in front of him…

    it wouldnt surprise me if wenger sees armand surplus to requirements and last seasons loan spell was a ’shop window’ spell..

    we shall see…

  456. You seem to have one of those revolting circles with a face drawn on it stuck to your post, G4E.

  457. Managerial level bonhomie between us and Birmingham was great during the Steve Bruce days resulting in loan deals for Djourou, Bendtner and Larsson. The good relationsho continued during the McLeish tenure till the Eduardo injury.

    Birmingham had asked for the loan of Traore even last year after they were relegated. Arsenal also called back Djourou earlier than McLeish had hoped to keep him last year. The Traore deal will be an indicator to see if the relationship has thawed.

  458. I know Frank…can”t get rid of it, and not sure why it’s always yellow?

  459. :)

  460. Are you suggesting that Djourou was brought back because of a poor relationship between the managers, Alex? I thought he stopped playing for Birmingham before the Eduardo injury?

  461. So someone was impersonating Frank? Wow!

  462. I agree with those that say we should not be loaning one of our superstars to Birminhgam City under any circumstances.

    I will review this policy after 6 years.

  463. I like this Naldo :) defender we are linked with, but do we really need another defender?

  464. You are right Frank. Djourou came back in December 2007. Two months before the Eduardo injury. Djourou’s return could’nt have anything to do then with any bad blood between the managers.

  465. No problem, Alex. I think that AW is clever enough to have pre-empted the Taylor tackle on Eduardo and got in his retaliation first by withdrawing Johann. Incidentally Nik Bendtner was also on loan, which kind of gives the lie to the AW ‘never brings loanees back into the first team’ myth.

  466. I don’t know much about him either but I’ve seen a couple of posts suggesting he has some short-comings as a defender so Arsene may be considering another conversion?

  467. alot of the kids dont come back though frank…especially when they have three established players in front of them in both positions they play..

    and i didnt use the word never, i said rare…

  468. Naldo appears to be very tall and can play anywhere across the backline. BUT his name is Ronaldo. People of Portuguese extraction are not terribly creative when it comes to naming their children. One family in Brazil has seven sons all called Ronaldo, and one daughter called Ro..Ro…Maria. Is this phenomenon associated with Ronnie Biggs? Might be.

  469. Yes, I read he doesn’t have pace or heading abilities? but don’t know how much of it to believe since he’s like 6′5″ I assume he just needs to put his head in the way of a flying ball.

  470. Nicklas and Johann were 18 ans 19 respectively when they went out on loan and Armand was 18 when he went out on loan.

  471. Jon Jon you make me yawn yawn.

    I prefer the rationale that sending players on loan is based on the logic that they would get first team experience, when there aren’t much opportunites in our first team. If the loanees are not meant to return and have a good shot at first team action, I think the club would rather sell them instead of sending them to loan.

    I for one would would like to loan you to LG. In that case, I am sure whether you’d return to this comment section or that loan deal made permanent.

  472. You what I find hilarious – is why anyone would want to impersonate Frank..!!

    I mean why would you want to impersonate someone like Melvin in “As good as it gets” or Ebeneezer Scrooge? It would be like trying to pass yourself off as either Jack Lemon or Walter Matthau from the Odd Couple.

    Kinda like being an inverted version of Pyles Palmer………….

    And there was me getting my hopes up – thinking after his departure – the world will be as one again……

  473. Your know is missing, Joe.

  474. What is an inverted version of the hack dwarf, Joe? What characterises that particular state?

  475. Look like Real Madrid is gonna have to sell a sh*t load of shirts to make up for all the money they’re spending on players.

    In fact Ronaldo may have to strip in sleazy nightclubs of downtown Madrid.

  476. Joe,

    Are you admitting then that you impersonated Frank?

  477. Why would your mind take you in that particular direction as a method of deriving income G4E?

  478. Perhaps RM have been very clever indeed. The Mancs did not read the small print and £80m worth of Ronaldo RM shirts are being delivered to OT as we speak.

  479. I imagine that they would be trying to bring some wit to a dull day’s blogging or create some mischief. Either would be welcome to kick start the day.

    Back to Reithian principles. Inform, educate, entertain or fuck off.

  480. Ah guilt, it’s a lousy feeling…

  481. Yes I agree with those principles, Cb. Welcome back, seems that your re-acclimatisation is complete.

  482. Not sure QoS, maybe because he’s the one cost more than the others…so he has to do the extra stuff?

    I actually had something worse than striping for him in mind, but chose not to post :)

  483. He might actually enjoy that too much G4E!

  484. frank

    do you not agree that with so many options available to wenger in front of armand that wenger used last year to put him in the shop window???

    is this against all realms of possibility????

  485. It’s more likely it was to give A.T. additional playing time and experience JonJon don’t you agree?

  486. You know what? He probably would Passenal…that winking freak.

    I’m so glad he’s gone…don’t really care what they do with him or to him :)

  487. I have no idea, JonJon. Prior to his departure Armand seemed to be on a similar trajectory to Kieran. I notice that at Portsmouth he played in left midfield and was very much an attacking player. Let down a little by his final ball in the few minutes I watched of him. If he gets that right then he will be a phenomenal player. At 19 he is young enough to wait for his moment.

  488. Ah there it is again, G4E. Catch the little fucker quick.

  489. At least it’s moving about now Frank…I will set-up a trap for it when I wake up…

    :) until then..

    You all have a great morning…I have to get some sleep.
    ===
    P.S.
    CBob…shake off the relaxed vacation mode. Some of us here didn’t even take a day off, working day in & day out to ward off sick freaks.

  490. by the way…new post from YW is in…

  491. With our first team full of established but very young players, I think the generation coming up behind them are going to have to be more patient as I can’t see many of them getting the opportunities at such a young age as previously. They may have to accept several seasons on loan before they are ready to start challenging for the first team. Unless of course they are so desperate to play they would settle for ‘lesser’ teams and start the downward spiral of their careers a la Bentley.

  492. Yes QoS

    that is also a possibility…i wont dispute that….

    i think overall though armand is not as far up the pecking order as he may seem….

    with a taste of regular footy he may want more….with keiran and gael at a young age also…this possibily rules out a role a LB for him for quite a long time…..id say all his career…..

    and with the style of beautiful play wenger craves…he doesnt require out and out wingers….which armand seems to be developing into

    so maybe another loan season is the best option…but then again…how many times do you go out on loan before you want stability????

    it depends on the player himself…if armand is patient and skillful enough he will get his chance….

    but if he craves regular action a permanent move may be the best option…

  493. But also more likely JonJon?

    I can’t believe Arsenals first thought would be lets send him out on loan so it makes it easier to sell him.

    Most likely was lets send him out on loan to get some experience. Then we can take a look at him next season as to where/whether he fits.

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