Michel Platini and Sepp Blatter have long espoused the view that youngsters moving to another country to serve their footballing apprenticeship is not the right way for the future of the game. At varying times, the clubs are called child traffickers, kidnappers or accused of using slave labour. Hardy rhetoric that damages their arguments rather than enhancing them.
Arsenal are regularly held up as an example of this by FIFA and UEFA. The media like to herald the club as playing football the right way but criticise the path followed to get there, ignoring the personal animosities of Blatter and Platini towards the English, the EPL and Wenger himself.
This week, the head of the KNVB, the Dutch Football Federation, announced that he was seeking ‘clarification‘ about a football school which is being created by Arsenal as part of their global network. According to Goal.com, the Dutch are concerned that they will lose their brightest talents to Arsenal. There is some validity to their concerns yet it is another case of unashamed hypocrisy by a national association.
Arsenal are not pioneers of this strategy by any stretch of the imagination. Many Spanish and Italian teams have stripped the vines in South America, plucking those whom they consider worthy to learn their crafts in Youth Academy’s in former colonial powers. The French and Portuguese do so in Africa, the Dutch themselves have trodden a similar path. Indeed, Ajax took the process further than any other club in South Africa yet none of these are beaten with the same stick as Arsenal.
The nature of football is such that it will forever be a global sport in terms of allegiances on and off the pitch. UEFA may support the promotion of native talent through rule changes but there are holes so wide in the legislation that they propose, rather than promoting the pursuance of natives, they encourage younger players to move abroad if the price is right.
The question is whether there is anything inherently wrong in the policies of clubs or not. For me, the overriding principle is to get the best squad at Arsenal. That is not necessarily the best players in terms of talent but those whose abilities complement others and have a strong team ethic. If they are eleven Englishment so be it. If not, a policy of not being bothered by their passport is perfectly acceptable. Let us not kid ourselves, Arsenal are by no means the only team doing this.
To the chagrin of a section of support and to the media at large, the current Arsenal team does not provide a substantial core of the England squad. That says more of the technical abilities of English players who are unable or unavailable to fulfil Wenger’s dream. The youth system has plenty of English lads in it with some of the brightest hopes for the club eligible for the national team. That is before you address those who have passed through the Academy to forge careers elsewhere.
It is the fundamental issue which divides football and has done so in the past: club v country. Neither has particular regard for the other at administrative level hence the failure to resolve the arguments. ’til Tomorrow.























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By: Nirmit on June 13, 2009
at 10:25 am
2nd
By: Nirmit on June 13, 2009
at 10:25 am
3
By: Nirmit on June 13, 2009
at 10:26 am
yes top 3 for me….
By: Nirmit on June 13, 2009
at 10:26 am
The problem is that the needs of club and country do not always coincide. Arsenal’s priority is to get the right players to fit the system they want to play. For the last few years there have been few English players we could afford who fit that criteria and it has taken 10 years for the club to create their own players who could potentially fit both criteria.
But do we get any credit for it? No. Does anyone ask Chelsea, Man U or Liverpool where their young English talent is coming from? Hell no!
By: Passenal on June 13, 2009
at 10:36 am
Nirmit, this isn’t Arseblog so coming first has absolutely no meaning or value. Why not read the post Yogi has taken time to construct and then post something relevant to the subject matter. You’d get far more credit for that.
By: Passenal on June 13, 2009
at 10:39 am
Thanks a lot for ur very kind advise Passenal…. but i am capable enough to know that..
By: Nirmit on June 13, 2009
at 10:50 am
Why does Blatter hate English football?
By: Poliziano on June 13, 2009
at 10:53 am
Senderos on his way back, briefly at least. I hope he stays and fights for his place, frankly we ae ooking for someone with Senderos’ qualities, just without the gaffs. Personally i think we need to ship a couple out from the back line and rework the whole defence, Gallas in my opinion as the spirit is not there between him and toure – the ivorian is better and younger.
We should also rotate more, with gibbs and eboue playing home games for their creativity. Then sagna, clichy or verhmalen if gael goes in away games.
Verm….Djourou….Toure….Sagna
looks pretty solid, with senderos and another new defender for cover in the centre.
By: arsenehollis on June 13, 2009
at 11:00 am
Thanks Yogi for this thoughtful article.
The Ronaldo transfer has shown that Platini and Blatter both have a personal vendatta against the EPL and Arsenal in particular.
You asked a valid question; where are the English talents in Manu, Chelsea n Liverpool. The case of the latter two is more telling has there current crop are all ageing in the first team and nor to write of in their youth teams
The future is Arsenal if we do the right things
By: Gunner From Nigeria on June 13, 2009
at 11:05 am
arsenehollis;
No offence bro, but Gallas is 10 timers the defender Kolo will ever be. Although gallas may have to leave for the sake of team spirit, altho that seemed to sort itself out.
It was no coincidence, IMO, that as soon as Gallas got injured, the defence was shizen!
We may well have a completely new CB pairing by August, if City firm up their interest in Kolo and Gallas goes to Italy.
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 11:06 am
* The problem is that the needs of club and country do not always coincide.*
Very true. If Rooney and Walcott score winning goals in the next world cup final, with Gibbs making a clearance off the English line to keep the scores at 2-1 to England, but in the same year Arsenal and Man Utd get relegated then Wenger and Fergueson will get sacked.
Club managers aren’t being paid to produce talent for a national team. They’re not being judged on the results of the national team or even how their club players contribute to that result.
I can’t really blame club managers for concentrating on bettering their clubs while that is how their success and continued employment is measured.
By: RobM on June 13, 2009
at 11:14 am
As form Batter? The man’s on oily snake. He’s an honouray Real Madrid member, so no surprises he has completely contradicted himself with his recent comments about Ronaldo being worth the money, when a few months back he was calling the sums paid by the chavs, etc as obscene, now its Real, its all good.
He’s a politician, what do you expect?
Platini is also a man full of spite, it seems and has a real issue with Wenger, which as the head of UEFA, really should not be allowed and he ought to be grought to book, but by who? Blatter??? Yeah, thats really gonna happen!
Arsenal will soon have a number of young home grown players in the 1st team squad, hopefully as many as 4 or 5 from the yutes could make the grade, that would be quite unheard of to have that many and some may not fully reach their potential, but I can see it happening;
The likes of Lansbury, Wilshire, JET & Bartley as well as the French lads; Coquelin and Sunu could be involed with the 1st team squad sooner rather than later… Cool!
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 11:14 am
Too many changes in defence could be risky Spike. How do we know whether the new players will gel quickly, with each other, the rest of the defence and their other team mates?
By: Passenal on June 13, 2009
at 11:19 am
Ive no idea? I just think thats what may happen.
And TBH, we are talking about the 2 CBs, not the entire back 4. I know there would be a risk involved,. but if it means we have 2 top CBs complementing each other and forming a solid pairing, then its a risk worth taking, IMO.
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 11:23 am
arsenehollis
Gallas has been our beat CH for the last two seasons and is much better than Toure who has been a shadow of the player he once was.Players should be chosen on merit not sentiment
By: Gooner Ted on June 13, 2009
at 11:23 am
I can understand Platini hating English football. He is after all French. I find it harder to understand Blatter’s attitude, as I am not aware of any animosity towards England on the part of the Swiss. I’ve just read the Wikipedia article about him in search of clues. It seems he was once the “president of the World Society of Friends of Suspenders, an organisation who tried to stop women replacing suspender belts with pantyhose.” Suspenders don’t seem to be popular amongst English women. Could this be the source of Blatter’s prejudice?
By: Poliziano on June 13, 2009
at 11:25 am
Toure has never been a good defender when he is standing alone as the leader of the defence line, little wonder he blossomd when Campbell and Keown where around.
Gallas as it stands is the leader of our defence. It showed when he was around but, when he became injured the evidence was there to see. He is the ONLY world class defender we have since the fantastic four and Campbell left the club. Toure is not up to it. He needs a leader
By: Gunner From Nigeria on June 13, 2009
at 11:40 am
Gunner from Nigeria,
Was I dreaming in 2006 when Toure led a makeshift defence that included Flamini, and Senderos into a record-setting run of matches without conceding a goal in the Premier League?
Didn’t he lead the defence then?
By: Myles Palmer is the Moron King on June 13, 2009
at 11:49 am
From an economic standpoint there is absolutely no stopping the swathe of talented African and Latin American youngsters finding their way to european football, one way or other. It is an irresistable force. Good or bad? Actually both. Why stop any individual from a background usually of poverty reaching the giddy heights if they are good enough. But it does impact on African football in particular when some national teams have no single player left at home, not even in the top 15 players. All are abroad in the case of many good West African teams.
The onus is on African football to get its house in order, improve in every way and re-assert homegrown and home-based football economy.
Personally, I favour a solution where european clubs are arm-twisted and guilt-twisted into partnerships with local African clubs and facilities, and invest some of their considerable funds. After all, they benefit massively from African skill.
There is however another matter, alluded to but not really openly stated by YW, and that is indeed the corrupt ‘trafficking’ of young players (whose parents typically pay for the dubious opportunity) into Europe, in their hundreds. The vast majority fail. Many never even get to trial at a lower division club. Some are left stranded on the streets of european cities. Some find themselves illegal in europe and far from home. It is the seedy side of this football money go-round.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 11:49 am
Gunner From Nigeria,
Kolo and Gallas were begining to get their act together before injury disrupted things last season. Gallas is a very good defende, as is Kolo. Kolo prefers a more aerially dominant defender like Senderos next to him and he can be very good in that set up.
Gallas is’nt our only world class defender in my opinion. Sagna and Clichy are world class to me. Just because they are not the world’s best crossers yet, does’nt make them bad defenders.
By: Alex on June 13, 2009
at 11:52 am
Alex,
You said that Kolo prefers an aerially-dominant defender beside him. How do you know this?
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 12:02 pm
I don’t agree that Arsenal are regualrly beaten with a stick for their youth policy by Platini or Blatter.
Our media tend to focus upon Arsenal because they are the most obvious candidates being based in England but else where in Europe -local media make little or no mention of Arsenal.
Just because you can hear the shouts of one man ringing in your ears does not mean that other men are not shouting in foreign tongues.
However, I agree with the sentiment of the article. The nationality of youth players are irrelevant to club football and Blatter & Platini’s cynical attempts to reassert the power of national football is against the grain of the modern world.
It is in the interest of each and every organisation to recruit, train and retain the very best talent the world has to offer.
I don’t think Platini or Blatter hate English football but they cast an envious eye over the marketing supremacy of the Premiership and are concerned that Premiership football grips the imaginations of children from Timbuktu to Bangkok. We have the best league in the world.
The gap between the Premiership and the rest of Europe continues to grow.
In response, we face protectionist measures from Platini and Blatter who fear that national football can no longer compete against the truly global nature of the Premiership.
It is too late to turn back the clocks. Platini and Blatter will ultimately fail because the Premier League is a global phenomenon that can not be halted as long as people around the world continue to watch it in preference or addition to their own nationa leagues.
Its globalisation baby!
By: Arse Baggins on June 13, 2009
at 12:02 pm
This came under today’s BBC’s Gossip column…..
“Valencia striker David Villa has signed for Real Madrid in deal worth 40m euros.”
Dont know how correct this is
By: daokta on June 13, 2009
at 12:05 pm
Great post Yogi.
Why does the media not highlight that John Terry is the last ‘home grown’ Englishman to be a regular fixture in the Chelsea squad? Why does buying Lampard, Joe Cole, SWP and later Cashley for big money give Chelsea immunity from getting beaten with the same stick arsenal get beaten for?
The same goes for Man U. Which outstanding home grown English talent have they produced after the last supposed ‘golden generation’? Just because they bought Rooney and Ferdinand for huge money, they get immunity. Liverpool’s case is the same with the exception of Gerrard and Carragher. They seem to have no fresh outstanding talent coming through.
The Arsenal academy on the other hand has atleast provided good careers to many promising English players if not always in the strong first team of the club. Sidwell, Bentley, Upson, Hoyte, Pennant and Muamba being some examples. This is without even counting Ashley and Gibbs who have made it as first team squad members.
A clear case of double standards. However, in the coming years Arsenal may shut their detractor’s mouths once and for all judging by the sheer quality of some home grown players in the reserves squad.
By: Alex on June 13, 2009
at 12:06 pm
The champions league run of 2006 where Toure and Senderos where awesome happens to be an exception to the leadership concept as they had a guiding hand in Keown which can’t be under estimated.
If only Arsenal can practice defensive drills the way it does passing drills, i believe the team would be better of for it. Because, if the concept of regaining possession is not the hallmark of a team, the defence would struggle no matter the personnel.
By: Gunner From Nigeria on June 13, 2009
at 12:07 pm
The problem with club supporters is they always consider themselves victims of media attention.
By: Arse Baggins on June 13, 2009
at 12:07 pm
Ole Gunner, perhaps I should have rephrased my statement as saying that Kolo seems more effective with an aerially dominant partner next to him. I dont know his preferences at all!
By: Alex on June 13, 2009
at 12:08 pm
Gunner From Nigeria,
Don’t be silly. Keown was helping out in the background, no doubt but he wasn’t on the pitch with them. Kolo Toure led the defence that entire season, and it’s not an exception. It’s an entire season. Kolo’s leadership that season was exemplary.
It is a ridiculous myth that Kolo (there’s a similar myth about Gallas) only plays well when there’s a giant Englishman beside him.
He’s one of the leaders of the Cote d’Ivoire team, and he has no giant Englishmen beside him there.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 12:19 pm
Kolo was brilliant after Gallas went out injured, he certainly wasn’t too blame for the defences failings. Gallas is excellent but he is 31 and moody, it is best for the club if gets shifted on, i think. Kolo is arsenal through and through, whatever led him to make a transfer request must have been serious and it needs sorting, for the whole squad. If one has to go i think it should be gallas, a good defender, but the baggage is too much – in hindsight he should never have been made captain.
By: arsenehollis on June 13, 2009
at 12:29 pm
Gunner from Nigeria u make some good points re the defence.
Ole what has Cote d’Ivoire won of recent?
By: chisefran aka Franchise on June 13, 2009
at 12:31 pm
Kolo is a great athlete but IMO he is also quite jittery. and also i believe his form in 2006 is not as good as it is now
By: chisefran aka Franchise on June 13, 2009
at 12:33 pm
chise, what has England won of recent? I think Terry plays for them ….
By: notlager on June 13, 2009
at 12:34 pm
Will the Premier League remain the premier league? The Spanish first division looks set to claim the supremacy. Spain are the champions of Europe. A Spanish team won the Champions League. A Spanish team seems to have more spending power than the oil barons and robber barons of the Premier League, and is certainly attracting the big names. Even over the last couple of years, when English clubs have been successful in Europe, it has been accepted that the quality of the second rank teams in Spain is greater than that of their counterparts in England.
By: Poliziano on June 13, 2009
at 12:34 pm
So, arsenehollis, the player who requested a transfer is “Arsenal through and through,” but the player who, after suffering the humiliation of losing the captaincy, simply dedicated himself more than ever to the good of the team, is a moody traitor?
By: Poliziano on June 13, 2009
at 12:37 pm
Kolo was at his best when he had Sol beside him. Sol was a more vocal defensive leader than Gallas that is perhaps why Kolo looked more solid beside him.
By: chisefran aka Franchise on June 13, 2009
at 12:38 pm
notlager my point is saying that Kolo plays for Cote d’Ivoire doesnt prove anything. England have won nothing but Chelsea have won quite a few trophies in the last few years with Terry being a key player in defence
By: chisefran aka Franchise on June 13, 2009
at 12:40 pm
i dont see how the football schools hurt, particularly in poorer countries.
Surely they provide work for people living there, pump money into the communities and provide some of the kids with better opportunities – even the ones who dont make it benefit
Just cos it happens to benefit arsenal or whoever doesn’t make it a bad thing
And your absolutely correct Yogi about the arsenal school in holland. They have no right to complain. Ajax has snapped up tonnes of kids from africa, not that those kids would complain im sure
By: davi on June 13, 2009
at 12:40 pm
Lol notlager. Not that Franchise will get your point. He wants big names and he wants it now. Franchise, Hleb has now won a champions league medal. Does it mean that his career has progressed even though he had absoloutely no part to play in Barca’s win? Does it mean that Barca will keep him for another season?
By: Alex on June 13, 2009
at 12:41 pm
chisefran aka Franchise,
When Kolo did not have Campbell beside him, he was still VERY solid.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 12:44 pm
kolo’s a recovery defender, he aint really a leader, he wears his heart on his sleeve when he plays so its fair to say hes a leader in that sence but he is definately not a leader in the organisation sence…
i bet most strikers would rather play against a kolo than play against a vidic or a terry…
its no coincidence that kolo hasnt been the same player since sol left…
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 12:46 pm
Alex whats ur point about Hleb?
GFNigeria made a point about the defence
Ole disagreed saying Kolo plays for Cote d’voire
I agree with the point GFNig made
Not Lager asked me what England has won with terry?
I answered by saying nothin but he’s won quite a few with Chelsea being an integral part of the defence
and u come up with ur hleb comment?
WTF
By: chisefran aka Franchise on June 13, 2009
at 12:46 pm
chisefran aka Franchise,
Are you completely stupid? Has Kolo Toure not also won a lot of trophies for and with the Arsenal?
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 12:47 pm
Ole Kolo did look more solid beside Sol although he was younger then and less experienced
i watch a more experienced Kolo now and his decision making is poorer and he seems more jittery
if u havent noticed it then hey
By: chisefran aka Franchise on June 13, 2009
at 12:48 pm
Poliziano – no mate, i didn’t call gallas a traitor so dont put words in my mouth. Toure has been a loyal servant for many years, making his name at the club and playing extremely well. He handed in teh transfer request, so the reports went, due to bad blood with billy. This is not the first time that gallas has alienated his team-mates is it dude? Moody yes, clearly. just check birmingham. A traitor no. A bad player? No, gallas is excellent. However after 2 difficult seasons i think it is time that we looked for something new, rather than kolo and wild bill together. It looked good at first, but it hasnt really worked has it. Realistically, that would probably mean one of the senior defenders leaving the club – i think gallas should go. Toure is younger, more dynamic, and yes better for team spirit. Moving on doesnt mean that you have to kick him on the way out, but time for gallas to go… I think.
By: arsenehollis on June 13, 2009
at 12:50 pm
JonJOn,
You’re completely wrong. I’ve seen Kolo Toure being a leader in an organisational sense in 05/06 when he organised a makeshift defence including Eboue, Flamini and Senderos into a very effective defensive unit.
We saw it the season Gallas was injured 07/08. We saw it this season after Gallas was injured. He is an organiser. He can play that part.
I remember Gilberto, when talking about losing the captaincy, saying that Kolo is a very good organiser who communicates a lot and motivates his team mates. Gilberto said that, and Gilberto has played several games in central defence with Kolo.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 12:51 pm
why do u keep twisting debates on this site and making petty insults?
some of u on here are really just a waste of time
if u didnt get my point then ole there is no point trying to repeat myself
u sounding like the stupid one
By: chisefran aka Franchise on June 13, 2009
at 12:52 pm
I think the Premier league is still the premier league, without the Norwegian official Barca would not have got to the final…The EPL had 3 of the four semi-finalists, qualified for the CL final for four 5 seasons in a row…the international scene is a completely different picture, Spain dominate…In terms of spending, man shitty, chavski, villa, manure, spuds are big spenders capable of outbidding the majority of La Liga clubs…where clubs like villa and man shitty fall short isn’t so much in spending power but that they lack the prestige or clout most top players are tempted by as Kaka’s move illustrates…
By: Mandanda on June 13, 2009
at 12:54 pm
ole
im not completely wrong…
since sol left what have we won with kolo at the heart of the defence??? so ypur comment towards franchise was completey OTT…
kolo has won trophies with arsenal but who was he playing with when he last won one???
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 12:54 pm
Franchise, the point I was making and your are incapable of seeing is that winning trophies is no benchmark of a key player. Hleb was not key in Barca’s success last season and neither was Berbatov hugely resposible for Man U winning the premier league last season.
So asking what every player has “won recently’ is a pointless and idiotic question.
By: Alex on June 13, 2009
at 12:55 pm
Kolo is a good defender but if u cant see that he doesnt work well with Gallas and that he is looking like a player on the decline then i dont know what else to say to you.
our best partnerships since Sol left IMO has been a pairing (over a run of a few games) of Senderos and either Gallas and Toure. The funny thing is that Senderos is not one that fills me with a lot of confidence
By: chisefran aka Franchise on June 13, 2009
at 12:59 pm
Franchise, Jon Jon
Both of you are well aware of the record of previous debates between the two of you and almost everybody else on this blog. Keeping that in mind and the fact that we share little common ground in terms of opinions and beliefs, what is your agenda of posting here? What do you hope to achieve?
By: Alex on June 13, 2009
at 12:59 pm
alex
no it isnt a pointless question asking what a player has won….
lee dixon was once asked if he ever thought he was a good defender and dixon replied with look at my trophy cabinet….
would he of been noticed otherwise??? really??
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 1:00 pm
I view the Spanish league as an ‘enhanced’ SPL, the money, prestige and clout mainly resides in its two top clubs – Barcelona and Real Madrid
By: Mandanda on June 13, 2009
at 1:00 pm
A Hleb wasnt a key player in Barca’s success but Terry has been the rock in Chelsea’s defence leading them to a few trophies over the last few years so u dont make a good point there
By: chisefran aka Franchise on June 13, 2009
at 1:00 pm
chisefran aka Franchise,
It was incredible to me that you made the “point” that Terry has won trophies for Chelsea and it did not occur to you that also applies to Kolo.
JonJon,
What did England win with Tony Adams at the heart of their defence?
+
Since Hyppia became out of favour, what have Liverpool won with Carragher at the heart of their defence?
Since Nesta has been out injured, what has AC Milan won with Maldini at the centre of their defence.
Summary: Don’t use such a silly argument. Arsenal’s not winning a trophy is not down to Kolo Toure. As I’ve pointed out again and again, Kolo led the defence that took us to within 17 minutes of winning the European Cup.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 1:01 pm
Alex u r too narrow minded for ur own good. i read this blog like several others and if i am allowed to by the owners i comment if i want to. who the fuck are u to decide who comes on here?
By: chisefran aka Franchise on June 13, 2009
at 1:03 pm
england won naff all with adams at the heart but ARSENAL won shed loads with adams at the heart…
your just being silly again ole
i never said it was down to kolo…what im saying is he isnt the defensive rock you make out he is…
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 1:05 pm
Ole u r twisting the argument. Notlager asked what England has won in a response to my question about what Kolo has won with Cote d’ivoire. u made the point about Kolo playing for Cote d’voire like they have won the ACN 3 times in a row. I didnt bring up John Terry’s name NotLager did. And for the record I believe Kolo is looking less of the player he was when we were winning things with him in the side.
By: chisefran aka Franchise on June 13, 2009
at 1:07 pm
Alex question why you’re here is a legitimate one. I remember you writing that you’re only on this site to defend anti-LG posts.
So what are you doing here today?
By: notlager on June 13, 2009
at 1:07 pm
Franchise, I am nobody to decide who comes on here. Which is why I asked your illiterate self what point you see in coming on here. Get it? I dont think so.
The point is you and your partner will drag the level of discussion down on this blog and that does matter to us. This blog is not LG or Avenell Road. Its not the number of comments that matter but the content of the comments.
By: Alex on June 13, 2009
at 1:09 pm
Common Sense and Objectivity shouldnt be thrown into the corner in the name of support.
even wenger has said two seasons in a row that our defence has let us down in our quest for silverware.
I believe I’m not alone in believing that Kolo is not the same player that he was as recent as the beginning of 2007/08 season.
By: chisefran aka Franchise on June 13, 2009
at 1:11 pm
i think our defensive system is at fault rather than the players . barca played the final with a makeshift defence . two 30+ players at fullback positions who dont have any pace .and at cb position one was inexperienced and another was a midfielder .but they got away with it because of their system.their dm was also a rookie. we did somewhat simular thing in semi and got hammered.
By: santino on June 13, 2009
at 1:14 pm
Why are you so nauseatingly self righteous to believe that you are the treasurer of all “common sense and objectivity”? Its all about different points of view.
By: Alex on June 13, 2009
at 1:14 pm
chise just for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwwyjgLckMg&feature=related
would you have said that terry was in decline in 2002?
By: notlager on June 13, 2009
at 1:14 pm
being illetrate doesnt stop me from having common sense Alex. u gonna take cheap shots at me like we are commenting on some youtube video sillyboy.
By: chisefran aka Franchise on June 13, 2009
at 1:15 pm
JonJon,
You’re playing the clown. I never know if you’re serious. Most of your comments sound like you’re taking the mickey.
Your point about us not winning with Kolo at the heart of our defence is BOLLOCKS. England have won nothing since ‘66. By our logic, Campbell, Adams, Bouldie, Keown are all shite.
For me, Kolo Toure has proven in his career to be one of the best central defenders in Europe. He had a period of poor form between April 2008 and November 2008 but he’s since bounced back. Good players don’t become bad overnight. It does not happen.
chisefran aka Franchise,
You’re twisting the argument. To counter my factual statement that Kolo Toure is the organiser and leader for his quite good national team, you say they’ve won nothing. Someone points out to you, using the example of Terry that it’s a stupid argument because John Terry has won nothing with England either. As a counter you say Terry has won trophies with Chelsea. That was a very daft retort since Kolo has also won trophies with Arsenal.
Why is it so hard to admit that your arguments have been shown up as illogical/baseless?
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 1:15 pm
santino,
Stellar comment. You.are.exactly.right.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 1:18 pm
Notlager u r really a narrow minded person. i feel sorry for u.
By: chisefran aka Franchise on June 13, 2009
at 1:18 pm
PTL \o/
By: perrygroves on June 13, 2009
at 1:21 pm
Lol Franchise. Everybody on this blog is narrow minded and you are the knight in shining armour knocking some common sense and objectivity in our heads. It does make sense.
By: Alex on June 13, 2009
at 1:21 pm
chise, let me ask you again what are you doing here apart from calling everybody norrow minded? there aren’t any anti-Lg posts today.
By: notlager on June 13, 2009
at 1:23 pm
Ole Kolo is meant to be the most senior player, defender in our team. john terry has gotten better as a player leading chelsea to several trophies. kolo imo has gotten worse and looks a shadow of the role player he was when we were winning things. are u from cote d’ivoire?
By: chisefran aka Franchise on June 13, 2009
at 1:23 pm
ole
read my 1st comment about kolo
i said he was a recovery defender who hasnt been the same since sol left…
he hasnt become shite overnight..but he isnt the player he once was 3-4 years ago…
im not bothered about the national teams or adams or bould or keown or nesta or cannavaro or maldini…
im talking about how kolo isnt the defnsive colossus you think he is and he never has been…
good defender yes…but no longer the defender he was and he’s never been the defensive rock you make out…
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 1:23 pm
I would have said notlager is a rather broadminded chap. As evidenced by him routinely pointing out the limits of your points.
And what a great video. Kolo would never have been beaten so easily.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 1:23 pm
“kolo imo has gotten worse and looks a shadow of the role player he was when we were winning things. are u from cote d’ivoire?”
Franchise, does one have to be from the Ivory Coast to see that Kolo is still a good defender? You are violating your own stated mantra of “objectivity”.
By: Alex on June 13, 2009
at 1:27 pm
notlager, ole trying to discuss footie with u guys is like attempting a smear test on a 90 year old granny. sticky icky
notlager u cant handle my sensible points eh? ok i would return to being a prick on here
i’ll do u a favour and fuck off!!! for now
By: chisefran aka Franchise on June 13, 2009
at 1:28 pm
JonJon,
You’re not allowing fact to get in the way of our flawed thinking. I have pointed to three examples of Kolo being outstanding without Sol in the team. CL 05/06 and entire season, for Cote d’Ivoire, and even when he’s played with Gilberto as Gilberto asserts.
I am saying that you are completely wrong. You keep asserting the same thing. Your point about him being a “recovery defender” or him not being a colossus is not borne out by three strong counter-examples.
chisefran aka Franchise ,
Your entire last comment is a red herring that has nothing to do with what we’re talking about. Can you keep on-point please?
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 1:29 pm
@Ole Gunner
It may well be that Keown’s impact then was more of a myth than reality. I agree with you that Toure was awesome in 2006 However, my point is that
Toure should be a better and more experience defender now than he was 3 years ago but, if anything he has declined in a way eventhough, flashes of his brillance are still there for all to see. My point is, he needs to reassert himself to the pre Gallas era because he is different now.
By: Gunner From Nigeria on June 13, 2009
at 1:30 pm
is kolo good enough to be at arsenal though????
personally, i would like us to keep him but he’d be on the bench and id find gallas a partner….
kolo would probably want to move…but who would want him???
apart from city, ive not heard of one team around europe that want him….
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 1:31 pm
ok ole
my facts are that arsenal have not had a defensive colossus snce sol left…we havent won a trophy in 4 years and our defence has been one of our weaknesses…fact…wenger admits that…
im not saying kolo is at fault but kolo is no adams or sol, he is the same type of player as gallas and in my opinion gallas is better of the two…
we need a rock at the back and if i had to chose between gallas and kolo to partner that rock id choose gallas because kolo isnt the same player he was…
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 1:36 pm
GFN,
I don’t deny that Keown had a good influence. I remember that the defenders themselves said so. But Vidic-Ferdinand, or Bouldie-Adams also had great influences in the background but nobody ever tried to solely credit the backgroud influences for the players’ achievements. Kolo Toure was good in that CL run. Period.
I think Kolo is still a great defender. Again, I acknowledge that he wasn’t playing so well tail end of last season to start of this season. But that happens to all players. John Terry, funny enough was very much off-form in that same period.
I agree with you that he needs a big season. Play fantastically so his bad spell is forgotten.
I just don’t agree that we should try to diminish how good he actually has been in the past. He’s just 28 years old, so we have no reason to think he’s past it. Though there’s a rumour he’s actually older than his passport says he is.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 1:37 pm
The question I asked was: “Will the Premier League remain the premier league?”
The trophies are going to Spain, and the star players are going to Spain. These are signs that the Premier League might not remain the premier league.
If the Spanish first division is an enhanced Scottish Premier League, then so is the English Premier League. In Scotland there is a big two; in England, where the league is twice as large, there is a big four.
Four teams have won the English Premier League. Since 1992, when the English Premier League was founded, five teams have won the Spanish first division, so it would seem that by this measure also it is the English league that is more similar to the Scottish.
By: Poliziano on June 13, 2009
at 1:38 pm
i dont know how a youtube video of john terry being exposed in 2002 is meant to buttress any points
By: chisefran aka Franchise on June 13, 2009
at 1:40 pm
JonJon,
Your point is not valid. How many times do I, and others have to point out that that’s a silly point?
AC Milan have won nothing in how many years. It does not mean Maldini is a bad CB.
And you have a lot to learn about the world if you think that all that happens in the world is all you read about in the newspaper. If the newspapers don’t report that somebody wants Kolo Toure it does not mean nobody wants Kolo Toure. Get it? I haven’t heard speculation about Xavi, Iniesta or Messi leaving Barca but it doesn’t mean nobody wants them.
Some of your arguments are so clownish but you keep reassuring me you’re being serious….
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 1:41 pm
chisefran aka Franchise,
That we hate John Terry on this board. It buttresses that point. Also, that I don’t think Kolo’s ever been humiliated like that by a quick, skillful player.
To be fair to you, Terry has made one improvement since then. It won’t happen to him now. He’d just dive on and wrestle Ljungberg to the ground as he does now when he’s beaten.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 1:45 pm
ole, the three points you make are daft in themselves
we havent won a trophy in the times you say kolo stood out as a captian and leader and organiser of men…
players like sol and adams did…
and are you serious about maldini…the man was like 157 years old… hahaha…
and kolo standing out for the ivory coast means nothing as a mark of leadership…the IC are full of quality players arent they??? who wouldnt stand out….
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 1:47 pm
ole kolo has been exposed too often to mention in the last 2 seasons
just of recent the penalty denilson conceded against stoke did u see how kolo was exposed by a less skillful player? how about his school boy defending against drogba last year in a must win league match at the bridge after flamini scored the opener?
catalogue of errors even more than phillipe
By: chisefran aka Franchise on June 13, 2009
at 1:49 pm
JonJon,
Now I’m sure you’re deliberately acting the idiot to avoid facing facts. Wow! Where do I start?
1. Your point about not winning a trophy is MORONIC. If it were to be a valid point, then we’d have to say that Adams, campbell, Bouldie, Keown, …..were all shite since they played for England and England won jack sh1t. We’d definitely say so many players are crap. I’ve given 3 or 4 examples I can find another 100.
2. Cote d’Ivoire is a very strong team (that’s the name of the country). They have several top class players who’ve won a lot in football.
In summary you have no point. The one thing you think is a good point is ridiculous but you’ll keep repeating it because you have nothing else.
chisefran aka Franchise,
Never have I seen Kolo that humiliated with a player running 10 yards towards him and going past him like he’s not even there. I challenge you to find an example of Kolo, William or even Big Phil being ridiculed like that.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 2:01 pm
Ole Gunner
I’m glad you raised the allege rumour mill about Toure’s age. Its a common thing in West Africa so it may well be true.
You wouldn’t believe if i tell you Kanu’s real age as claimed by most people over here.
The way forward for our defence is what Santino pointed out@1.14pm. We have to change our concept of defending especially when it comes to regaining possession. It should be a team effort not one for a Flamini-sque player.
By: Gunner From Nigeria on June 13, 2009
at 2:02 pm
Erm, whoever it was who mentioned the CL run and clean sheets in 2006 being proof of Kolo being a leader, etc clearly has forgot how shite our defence was in the league that year!! EVEN with Keown in the background!
Kolo has beem a shadow of his old self, IMO. He was awesome for several years, with and without Sol, Keown beside him.
BUT, he has declined quite a lot. Playing with gallas hasnt helped, although the 2 of em were excellent for a spell late last season.
Howver, if one of em has to leave then for me, it would be Kolo.
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 2:02 pm
there is a solution for all these kolo arguments. just loan out kolo for one year and see if we win anything
By: santino on June 13, 2009
at 2:05 pm
spike good point expect a torrent of abuse from ole
By: chisefran aka Franchise on June 13, 2009
at 2:09 pm
i second that spike…
ole your on a wind up mate arent you..either that your u are incredibly stupid…
your number one point is ridiculous…again i state i couldnt give a toss about the national teams…sol adams keown and bould were all better defenders than kolo is now…FOR ARSENAL
and the Ivory coast are crapper than england so whats your point???? why do u keep bringing national sides up ole it has naff all to do with the point im making
kolo isnt a colossus…kolo is a recovery defender who sweeps up playing sidekick to a monster…he’s gone downhill no matter how you look at it and no matter how many times you bting up the england set up or mention how adams was crap is it going to change my mind
it doesnt appear that wenger would agree with you though ole as wenger has already stated the defence is our weak link…and we missed gallas…so i wonder who he was on about?????
doesnt take a rocket scientist does it ole???
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 2:11 pm
I dont just feel the defence has been the main issue with us and doin our best to avoid pickin up any trophies… The central midfield area, probably the most important part of the team has been way too lightweight, and not to mention inconsistent with several young players thrown in there who were not ready for that role. The fact Cesc was the main man there at 19 and 20 is crackers!
Song and Denilson were incredibly poor and inconsistent at verious times. However, Song has come on immensely and is now a premier league quality player, Denilson isnt too far away either.
However, I still think we must sign an experienced quality DM to play alongside cesc, as well as at least 1 top CB and 2 if Gallas or Kolo leave.
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 2:11 pm
chise, still here?
By: notlager on June 13, 2009
at 2:12 pm
What Kolo or Gallas need IMO is a new partner. It wld be interesting to see what happens cos I believe one of them would leave
a new signing plus the CBs we’ve got would mean we have
new signing
Kolo
Gallas
Senderos
Djourou
Silvestre
and Song is also an option
By: chisefran aka Franchise on June 13, 2009
at 2:14 pm
yeah notlager
By: chisefran aka Franchise on June 13, 2009
at 2:16 pm
now u r here i would fuck off!!!!
By: chisefran aka Franchise on June 13, 2009
at 2:16 pm
Spike,
We conceded fewer goals that year than Man poo, and fewer goals than in the previous year in which Campbell played most of the season. We conceded fewer goals than when we won the league in 2002.
GFN,
I’m with you 100%! We need to defend much better as a team. Our fullbacks have to do better at nipping crosses in the bud. The wide players have to cover the full back more. The strikers have to defend better from the front.
About Toure’s age….It might be true. But I doubt it since he, Eboue and Yaya came through Asec’s academy and were there from an early age.
Someone sent me a link that Adebayor is also older than his official age, and that he was born in Nigeria. Is that true?
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 2:16 pm
By: chisefran aka Franchise on June 13, 2009
at 2:17 pm
Chise;
For me, Song has looked pretty dam good at CB!
Would be funny if Gallas and Kolo left and we started the season with Song and Senderos as our 1st choice pairing! Erm, maybe not!
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 2:18 pm
true spike and ole no way Ade is 25ish
By: chisefran aka Franchise on June 13, 2009
at 2:19 pm
Ole
We also lost 11 times that year! Hardly a ringing endorsement eh?
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 2:21 pm
Look, I dont want to get into a thing where we try and find examples of Kolo being a shite player, coz, for me, he is a Gooner and plays with his heart on his sleeeve etc… But there’s no room for sentiment IF we wanna improve the team and its chances of winning things, IMO.
I would be happy for Wenger to go out and sign 2 new CBs and let gallas go to Italy & Silvestre to Leyton orient and Kolo can try and fight for a place along with Djourou, Song and perhaps even Senderos if he hasnt left…
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 2:24 pm
JonJon,
I don’t care what you care about. Whether you care about it or not, it shows up the nothingness of your argument.
The fact that we have won nothing does not mean Kolo is a “recovery defender” and not a “colossus”. The fact that Kolo led a makeshift defence of kids into one of the best defensive runs of any team in any one Champions League season shows that your argument is nonsense. He did not have any giant Englishman beside him and he was examplary, and his performances (including goals and assists from a centre-back position) was crucial in getting us into within 17 minutes into winning the 2nd biggest prize in all of football. If you have anything to weighty counter-examples, I’d be happy to hear it.
I also agree with Wenger that defence is our weakest link. What Wenger has never said is that Kolo Toure or William Gallas are anything but top quality defenders. Logic.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 2:27 pm
Spike, you said:
“Ole
We also lost 11 times that year! Hardly a ringing endorsement eh?”
Henry was in that team. Ditto Ljungberg. Ditto Pires. Does that mean they were less than good players?
For me you lot are the sentimental ones. I’m looking at cold fact. Kolo Toure has proven himself a stellar defender. He’s had one poor period of form in 2008.
Why should we lose our most experienced players who are still good? Because some people have a transfer fetish?
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 2:31 pm
kolos a good defender and id like him to stay but we need better defensive options….
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 2:32 pm
http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/21519/Bergkamp_advises_Wenger_to_buy.aspx
no doubt many of you will brand him a troll and say he has lost his love for arsenal like adams and keown et al have done….
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 2:35 pm
ole baaaa baaaaa
By: chisefran on June 13, 2009
at 2:35 pm
lol Jon Jon soon only the ACLF hardcore would be true Arsenal fans
every1 that suggested we werent good enough and that we should sign players were branded chavs, spuds
if i add present and past arsenal players that have done the same the spuds have a massive following
something tells me that its spuds that are happy with the fact that we havent won anything for 4 years and that we dont have better defensive midfield options etc
The Spuds dont want us to improve or progress
By: chisefran on June 13, 2009
at 2:38 pm
Henry scored 27 goals and was the top scorer that year, so, Id tend to say he did his bit…as for the defence…. Hahaha!
Ole, seriously, you are hardly stating any facts apart from repeating that Kolo is a great defender… logic…etc…
And again, you are twisitng things to try and make out other people are being churlish and shit.
You love Kolo, OK, I get it… move on, coz you obviously dont get it that the defence needs sorting, that our best CB in terms of ability by some consi9derable distance is Gallas and he needs a new partner or if he leaves, then Kolo does…
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 2:38 pm
the spuds want denilson to be our starting DMer next season
By: chisefran on June 13, 2009
at 2:40 pm
I saw the bergkamp interview. He said Yaya would be a good signing for us, but they’ve twisted to state that he said we need 5 players. He was saying it was good in pre-season when there were 4 or 5 new players starting at the club…
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 2:43 pm
Ole Gunner
I’m glad you raised the allege rumour about Toure’s age. Its a common thing in West Africa so it may well be true.
You wouldn’t believe if i tell you Kanu’s real age as claimed by most people over here.
The way forward for our defence is what Santino pointed out@1.14pm. We have to change our concept of defending especially when it comes to regaining possession. It should be a team effort not one for a Flamini-sque player.
By: Gunner From Nigeria on June 13, 2009
at 2:46 pm
kolo is many gooners favourite player .i think when refering to their favourite player fans tends to retaliate a bit harshly .many ex players said we need to buy to be successful and got hammered by blogers here . for example dixons comment . some people here said he was a shat defender in his days. now bergkamp said the same thing but i dont think many will react to that like they did to many other explayers .because he is still a fan favourite .
By: santino on June 13, 2009
at 2:47 pm
gunner from nigeria..
how old is kanu???
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 2:49 pm
Franchise, only one blog apart from a spud blog -
a) Calls Wenger a c*nt.
b) Ridicules half our squad and calls for their heads.
c) Has an almost burning hatred for Adebayor and Alex Song
d) Calls for the board to throw money at supertars.
e) Calls the Arsenal board “a bunch of unambitious jokers”
f) “Bins” Arsenal fans that point out that the blog is being unnecessarily negative.
g) Publishes the email addresses of bloggers who dont agree with the party line.
I suppose it wont stretch your formidable intellect to know which that blog is.
By: Alex on June 13, 2009
at 2:49 pm
I havent got a problem with most ex players giving their opinions about the club, team, etc… But it depends why they are saying and their agendas.
Most are just giving an honest opinion, so fair play to em, they still care, whereas others, namely twats like Ian Wright do it out of spite and the fact they can line their pockets by utilising a past association with our club.
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 2:50 pm
Spike,
What other fact am I required to state? Not only was he an integral part of our greatest Arsenal team ever, he’s proven himself in our greatest CL run ever. He’s had great performances for his country. Just this season, once he and Gallas were back in form, they set a Premier League record for cleansheets at home.
You don’t get it. I keep saying here: If we get a top defender who’s better than Toure or Gallas, lets keep both of them BUT also get that player.
I think it’s brain-dead to be advocating our most experienced players who’ve won trophies and know what it’s all about.
It makes you lot seem like you don’t know what you’re talking about. It is a big contradiction to argue that we need more experience and to then advocate losing our most experienced players. It’s like Gilberto. When he was in the team, he was savagely criticised. Once he left, it was because we lost him we didn’t win a trophy.
There is this crazy thing out there that if we don’t win a trophy it means we can dismiss and distort the actual records of our players.
Liverpool have not won a trophy this year (apart from the league we did better in every tournament), they have not won a trophy in 3 years, nor the league in 20 years.
I don’t hear people saying that means we can say Carragher, Reina, Torres or Gerrard are crap.
I am not even defending Toure per se. I am just saying that a popular conception about him and Gallas is a myth. That they only play well when they have a giant Englishman to “organise” them.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 2:56 pm
JonJon,
Don’t be silly.
Every season, Wenger buys players. Every season he’s been at Arsenal. Why would anyone have a go at Bergkamp for saying we should buy players?
Wenger says we should buy players. Did you see Wenger or Bergkamp distort the actual record of any of our players and turn players who work hard into hate figures?
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 3:00 pm
i think on aclf its a case where people think with thier hearts and not thier heads
people have opinions and say and type some things out of fustration but i doubt they would have the time to blog if they wasnt 100% behind arsenal..
By: kirby on June 13, 2009
at 3:06 pm
Alex believe what u want to believe all i hear is baaaaa baaaaa from u. U r sheep
any thing to say about Berg’s, Petit’s, Henry’s, Vieira’s, Dixon’s comments?
I bet u were binned form LG for being a prick i know it hurts but hey
By: chisefran on June 13, 2009
at 3:06 pm
Ole remember smear test 90 year old granny sticky icky. u r the worst type of human to debate anything with. always digressing
By: chisefran on June 13, 2009
at 3:08 pm
The problem with Gallas and Toure is that they are both ’sweeping’ defenders who instinctively drop off when defending a high ball because their strength is mop up loose/second balls.
Both players can win headers at times when they make a conscious effort to attack the ball but in moments of adversity and tension they both revert to their natural instincts of dropping off. This leaves a space for physical/clever strikers who are adept at dropping off and receving the ball to feet or their chest.
So ideally you want a defender whose actual instinct is to attack the ball and another who likes to sweep up behind him.
By: Paulinho on June 13, 2009
at 3:12 pm
Franchise,
I find it deeply ironical that a sad bloke who takes his orders from a neo nazi like G*off and has to obey his dictats, abuse and psychotic behaviour calls other people sheep. Funny.
Who says, we dont need reinforcements for the squad numbnuts? What I am saying is buying a Vermaelen does’nt necessarily mean selling a Toure. Comprende?
By: Alex on June 13, 2009
at 3:16 pm
The fact that both Gallas and Toure excel at recovery defending and in general defending along the ground make us nearly impossible to penetrate at times and make us very hard to score against…..in certain situations….such as when we’re playing high up the pitch and being pro active and aggressive…..however successful teams need to have a defence that performs at a high level ‘in all seasons’ so that’s where we fail.
Having a Hangeland type defender will undoubtedly weaken us in the mobility stakes but if it strengthens us in other areas then it might be worth the trade off.
By: Paulinho on June 13, 2009
at 3:18 pm
can u show me when i said we should sell toure u baaist?
i dont see any correlation between Nazism and arsenal football club or with le-grove so u have to be clearer on that one.
thats another aclf baaaist theory i guess.
By: chisefran on June 13, 2009
at 3:20 pm
Paulinho@3.18pm
Yes against certain teams in the EPL that strategy may prove beneficial. Chelsea, Liverpool and Bolton come to mind.
By: Alex on June 13, 2009
at 3:21 pm
what do u have to say about Berg’s comment Alex stop avoiding my question?
By: chisefran on June 13, 2009
at 3:22 pm
Keep bleating franchise.
By: Alex on June 13, 2009
at 3:22 pm
I kind of aggree with JonJon, Spike, and Santino. Haven’t read all of their comments because well I had some urgent meeting with some other folks, one of our double agents got caught. And this whole AKB trying to build a centre to cure what they call “Doomers”.
Anyways, I aggree that the defence has been a major let down, for the past seasons. Kolo has been caught out many times, and so has Gallas. Clichy has been inconsistent, and has lead to goals because of the odd mistake. Putting biases aside, Gallas is better than Toure. But don’t know if he’d stay with us. What we need is a PERFECT DEFENDER. Yes, a perfect defender is the solution to our problems. A perfect defender would never let in any goals, and we can keep a clean sheet every game. Because every goal that goes on in football, is 100% a result of a mistake by a defener or the midfield. Or else there never will be any goals. Maldini, as jonJon/whoever pointed out, is 137 years old, but he didn’t mean it literally. What he meant is what my team is still trying to decipher, but apparently he isnt the perfect defender. Hence, I really suggest that we start looking for this perfect defender who would never let in any goals. And no Vidic and Ferdinand are not perfect because they also leak goals, and Vidic has been made a fool many a times this season, because of his horrendous defending.
BUY THE PERFECT DEFENDER AND WE’D NEVER CONCEDE ANY GOALS.
By: THe Doomer's Family on June 13, 2009
at 3:23 pm
Alex uve hit a brickie as i expected i would add u to the smear test 90 year old granny sticky icky list
By: chisefran on June 13, 2009
at 3:26 pm
Doomers family,
How about a striker with 100% conversion rate to go with that perfect defender? Lol.
By: Alex on June 13, 2009
at 3:26 pm
Gee am honoured cockroach.
By: Alex on June 13, 2009
at 3:27 pm
doom fam u retarded
By: chisefran on June 13, 2009
at 3:28 pm
Don’t mock us Alex. This is not a joke. We all know that there has never been a striker with a 100% conversion rate.
ARSENE COME BACK FROM CHINA AND SIGN SOMEONE. THE BLOGGERS ARE RUNNING OUT OF ARTICLES TO WRITE. I DONT WANT THEM DISCUSSING CRICKET FOR FFS!!!!
By: THe Doomer's Family on June 13, 2009
at 3:28 pm
Yeah lets not discuss cricket. A game the grovers understand even lesser.
By: Alex on June 13, 2009
at 3:31 pm
Alex is bergy a spud?
By: chisefran on June 13, 2009
at 3:31 pm
CHisdefran A.K.A dumb***
Is that the way to behave to your commanding officer? I will report you the HQ, and you will be relieved of your services. And then you’d not be allowed to ” you know where”. Or are you playing the double agent with me? It kind of gets confusing, sometimes. And I will admit I add to the confusion. If you really called me retarded.
If you are serious, type the code word. I’ll type mine. ” CO-CO-ALPHA-ROACH-CO-CO-BETA-ROACH”.
By: THe Doomer's Family on June 13, 2009
at 3:31 pm
Nopes franchise but chances are high that your masters are.
By: Alex on June 13, 2009
at 3:32 pm
Frankly I’m tired of reading trash talk about nazi’s, sheep, etc. Unless you are discussing The Producers or the impact that National Socialism had on football, keep the childishness to yourselves.
Uncle Moderator is on his way.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on June 13, 2009
at 3:32 pm
Franchise,
“Alex is bergy a spud?”
Thank Goodness you received the memo we sent today. We didn’t get any confirmation that you did. I haven’t seen you going on about buying the 15 year old kid we’d never see. Or you holding that back for laters?
Good Job.
By: THe Doomer's Family on June 13, 2009
at 3:33 pm
Paulinho,
So which of Ferdinand-Vidic, Bould-Adams, Terry-Carvalho are the “sweeping defenders”?
Which of Pique-Marquez, Maldini-Nesta is the sweeping one.
I ask this because it seems people act like there’s only one way to set up a centre-back partnership.
People act like being dominant in the air is the number one attribute of a centre-back.
Toure and Gallas have not yet shown that they can do the business as a partnership. That much I will agree. What I don’t agree with is that they necessarily can not play together. Gallas has been effective with even shorter and less aerially-dominant players than Kolo. And in his partnership with Thuram he was the one who often attacked most balls.
There are many ways to set up centre-back partnerships. I am surprised that even a lot of pros and knowledgeable pundits act like the only way is to have a “stopper” and a sweeper.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 3:34 pm
re toure-gallas patnership i say time up.
ole if u dont know u would never know especially as u are ST90YOSIist
By: chisefran on June 13, 2009
at 3:37 pm
Fuck off franchise you numbskull.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 3:41 pm
Ole GUnner,
“Toure and Gallas have not yet shown that they can do the business as a partnership”
I think after that Mancity defeat, they quite admirably showed that they both can work as a partnership. From January to March I guess, we had conceded the least goals. The issue however is that was that just both of them working better alongside each other or the lesser attacking role played by the Fullbacks. In my opinion, it was more of a trade off between attack and defence. Not to forget that we had almost two DMs, playing for some time, i.e Song and Denilson. That is also the time when the goals dried out. We need to find balance, with the team. Anyone who claims Toure should be kept and Gallas sold, is without question being biased. Gallas has been one of the best players of the season, and definately our top defender. So I really can’t pass a definitive judgment wheather Gallas and Toure started working better because of the changes in other parts of the field, or if they sorted out their issues. You can’t really isolate one partnership, from the whole team and then form a judgment.
By: Ateeb on June 13, 2009
at 3:41 pm
What a performance by Windies yesterday!!! Them Indians got hit for six yo. Big boy Bravo (what a defender) did the damage. Man that inside out stuff is like electric shock.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 3:42 pm
easy ole i didnt know u were aggressive too. u should consider Anger Management
By: chisefran on June 13, 2009
at 3:44 pm
Uh-oh, uncle moderato cometh. That was REALLY a football comment, comparing … um Bravo to oh I dunno Kolo.
Hell it gets boring on here when the likes of JJ and Friend Cheese start pissing on normal comments.
OG, Alex, Notlager are real.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 3:46 pm
ZimPaul its not nice when u mess up withh ppl’s names how do u think Yogi Warrior would feel if i referred to him as Yogi Bear uh? address me as Franchise please. Thank you Thank you. You are far too kind
By: chisefran on June 13, 2009
at 3:50 pm
It’s also a silly discussion. Kolo versus Gallas versus someone else. Both great defenders, especially this past season. You have to rate Vidic/whatshisname and Terry/whathisname, but our pair are barely if at all behind that level.
Some inconsistency early in the season cost us.
Lack of depth in defence cost us, a bit too much reliance on sylvestre. That’s it.
I have never understood why people think Kolo and Gallas do not perform together. Have not seen it myself. I think it’s rubbish.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 3:51 pm
And in any event ‘defence’ is not, has never been, down to two players, or their height; it has more to do with team organisation and midfield positioning.
Friend Cheese, your name has never changed for me, except when you were Crab Cake.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 3:54 pm
No franchise, I usually just ignore you. I thought I’d just prove why people here don’t try to engage you. Because you make stupid, false arguments and are too dumb to realise when you’re talking crap.
Ateeb,
Really I don’t see any reason to break those two up. Last season we actually conceded fewer set-piece goals than Liverpool and Man poo (not sure about Man poo but I remember seeing this stat). So their lack of aerial prowess seemed overdone to me. On the other hand, this season our defending on set pieces and aerial situations was atrocious for much of the season.
So there is still some kind of a question mark over that partnership.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 3:57 pm
Defence is about buying that perfect defender. We shouldn’t be looking for the ugly, monstrous defenders anymore. They also let in goals. We await the arrival of the perfect one.
By: The Doomer's Family on June 13, 2009
at 3:58 pm
The thing to do is call someone a nazisheep and then run like hell. Sorry YW. Joke in poor taste.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 3:58 pm
Zimpaul if it makes u feel more connected to me then u can call me Friend……….
By: chisefran on June 13, 2009
at 3:58 pm
Ole said;
t makes you lot seem like you don’t know what you’re talking about…
—————————————
And herein lies your real problem fella. Lumping individuals into some perceived secret anti-Arsenal negative society…
You’ve consistently twisted what others have said, repeated non factual stuff like it somehow proves your point time and again.
You dont get it at all, you are effin deluded!
No one has advocated selling gallas or Kolo. They HAVE stated however that they may leave. AND if that were to happen, then so be it.
You are as bad as the ultra negative twats on other blogs.
Someone doesnt agree with you, so you conjure up some persecution complex and witch hunt against Arsene and the club…
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 4:01 pm
We had some problems from wicked balls (or throws from Delap) into the box, it’s true.
But it always seemed more nervous lack of confidence than a height issue.
I think Puyol proved showed amazingly that defence does not mean tall; or ugly. It means stylish and good hair.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 4:02 pm
Puyol is ugly.
By: Poliziano on June 13, 2009
at 4:04 pm
Ole Gunner
So which of Ferdinand-Vidic, Bould-Adams, Terry-Carvalho are the “sweeping defenders”?
Which of Pique-Marquez, Maldini-Nesta is the sweeping one.
Ferdinand -sweeper
Vidic – attacks high balls
Bould and Adams – both dominant attackers of the ball, what was their weakness? You’ve guessed it – mobility. Hence my ‘trade off’ comment earlier on.
Terry – attacks high balls
Carvalho – sweeper
Pique – attacks high balls
Marquez – sweeper
Maldini – sweeper
Nesta – sweeper *
* Different league and thus being mobile along the ground and reading the game is more important than dealing with aerial balls and physical, rugged, Kevin Davies types. They can get away with not being the greatest in the air and use catenaccio tricks of the trade that would get punished in England.
Obviously, I’ve pigeon holed players here when in reality they need to perform at a high standard in every aspect of the game to play for a top club, but I’m speaking generally here. Toure and Gallas are a decent partnership but are lacking in several key areas, and these flaws often come home to roost at the most inappropriate of times, such as when Drogba scored twice against us in March 08 at Stamford Bridge.
By: Paulinho on June 13, 2009
at 4:06 pm
Well, that’s untrue Spike. The nonsense about selling Kolo because “he’s finished” and “Gallas is going anyway” – both fairly stupid ideas, are frequent amongst the doom family values. It’s pretty noticeable in fact that poor Kolo has joined the ’sh*t-list’ with Diaby, Song, Den and Ade.
It’s so common that it’s become predictable and boring. Then folks come here and think they’re being original.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 4:07 pm
PZ how are u today?
By: chisefran on June 13, 2009
at 4:09 pm
There you are Pz. In truth, I agree.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 4:09 pm
Spike,
Has Kolo spoken about leaving since withdrawing his transfer request in January? Has Gallas spoken of leaving? Find me the links please.
By: Alex on June 13, 2009
at 4:11 pm
ZimPaul;
What?
This all started when some1 (arsenehollis, I think) said Kolo was a better defender than gallas and Gallas should go!
I merely stated that I thought Gallas was a far better defender and IF he were to go, which has been mooted, so hardly a fiendish ‘Doom mongering’ plot, then we really needed to sign a defender and IF 1 of them had to leave, again due to alot of reports about the pair not getting on and…erm, Kolo actually, for real, honest guv, putting in a transfer request, Kolo leaving was on the cards, then I would personally rather see Kolo leave, purely on the basis of Gallas being the better defender.
But no, Im being way too negative and am advocating the culling of most of our squad!
Brilliant!
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 4:16 pm
Alex any1 who in their brightest minds would expect 1 too leave.
its documented that they dont like each other
gallas might want to leave as he was stripped of his captaincy
kolo might want to leave too handing in a request in january tells me that if we were willing to sell he would have gone
arsene wants to buy a CB. a player i expect would be a starter meaning one of kolo or gallas would have to be 3rd choice at this stage of their career n with the world cup coming up i doubt they either would be happy with that
gallas is in the last year of his contract i believe
kolo would be at the nations cup next january
their are too many reasons why ppl speculate one of them would leave
hope it helps
Friend Cheese
By: chisefran aka Franchise on June 13, 2009
at 4:18 pm
Alex;
Jeeeez, you really are hard work. This is a blog site, not an effin scientific thesis. But feel free to suck all the enjoyment out of the place…
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 4:18 pm
PZ @11.25 – how do you know it was just women wearing suspenders ?
By: Muppet on June 13, 2009
at 4:19 pm
Loved up, is that you?
By: Paulinho on June 13, 2009
at 4:20 pm
Sorry for the double post and last reply.
@Jon Jon
My boss and a much older colleague in a Law Office in 2007 claims Kanu is in his Forties (40) and most Nigerians share that view.
Harry Redknapp even joked with it last year.
@Ole Gunner
Adebayor’s parents are Nigerians from Ogun State in the South West of the Country but, he was born in Togo. The name Adebayor is a popular yoruba name in South Western Nigeria. Many Nigerians plays for Togo.
By: Gunner From Nigeria on June 13, 2009
at 4:20 pm
And I better point this out, coz I really wouldnt wanna feel the acid sharp tongue of that devilishly witty Doomer family (AKA sad old cliche ridden twat who is as bad as the ultra knee jerk negativos that frequent certain blog sites)
I hope they both stay, I just feel it might be difficult for them to as Wenger, you know? French bloke… manages the club… Has stated that defence has been our weakness and he is looking to sign defenders and probably in midfield too….
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 4:22 pm
And paulinho, that was a very valid point you made there fella!
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 4:23 pm
Spike,
Jeez, I asked for too much information did’nt I. Ever the party pooper. Do continue to make unqualified statements.
Spike, nobody really attacked you or called you a doomer or someone calling for a culling of a large number of players. I dont know where your persecution complex stems from.
By: Alex on June 13, 2009
at 4:25 pm
Spike,
What has anyone said that I have twisted?
People have advocated selling Gallas and/or Toure. On this blog. Today.
Where is the witch-hunt or persecution?
Amigo, you sound to me like the one who’s seeing things. All I have done is engage people on their own points. If anyone is being made to look bad it’s not me doing it, it’s the persons comments.
No players have asked to leave. At least we do not know at this moment that any of our players has asked to leave.
I am contemptuous of people who go on and on the whole season about how we lack experience, and then they start advocating losing our most experienced players. I think people like that are just disruptive and no more. While the season is on and the team requires our support, all we hear is “we need experience”. When the season is over all we hear is why we should sell Ade, RVP, Toure and/or Gallas who actually are our most experienced players apart from Cesc and Arshavin.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 4:26 pm
Ole Gunner,
Spike’s persecution complex stems from being a loved up loner.
By: Alex on June 13, 2009
at 4:28 pm
Very well infilitrated boys. Proud of you, all. Now let’s go out and have some ice cream. You can have 2 today spikey. Choclate?
By: The Doomer's Family on June 13, 2009
at 4:28 pm
Me too Spike, never attacked or even criticized you. Only to say your points are a variation of a common theme – most of which is informed by speculation, not fact – which actually gets boring.
You have little or no idea of the current relations or views of Kolo or Gallas unless you think they actually tell the media everything they think.
Nor is it unusual for a couple of players to have an issue in any team, ever. Pretty normal.
The last thing Kolo said publicly was “keep the squad together”. What makes you think AW’s preoccupation with defensive issues concerns ONLY replacing CBs. don’t you think, like any good manager the looks at the ‘whole’ – all the factors, which are many, that led us to leak 12 more goals than we should have.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 4:34 pm
Paulinho,
I think you back my point. There are many different types of CB partnerships. It’s not all…dominant stopper, plus sweeper.
I agree that there are faults to Toure and Gallas. But they have considerable strengths…like pace, and strength. They’re also winners who’ve come through a lot in life and succeeded.
However, if we can find a player who’s dominant in the air but better and as experienced as the two I hope we get that player.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 4:35 pm
“And I better point this out, coz I really wouldnt wanna feel the acid sharp tongue of that devilishly witty Doomer family”
Don’t worry, you wont. I understand you just have a different opinion. And all you ask for was the perfect defender. World peace is what I am wishing for. Amen.
Vanilla Ice cream?
By: The Doomer's Family on June 13, 2009
at 4:37 pm
Good question, Muppet. I suppose people just assumed…
By: Poliziano on June 13, 2009
at 4:38 pm
Spike comes across as a angry young man. Must be the name. Hell keep it real Spike, wind your head in buddy.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 4:41 pm
I wouldn’t mind an ice-cream.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 4:45 pm
An Alex ice cream?
By: Poliziano on June 13, 2009
at 4:46 pm
Sorry, Zp.
Family only. And just one friend cheese. But thats it.
By: The Doomer's Family on June 13, 2009
at 4:47 pm
Aw shucks …
On second thoughts the idea of an alex ice cream has made me a queezy -
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 4:50 pm
a bit queezy, how the hell do you spell queazy
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 4:51 pm
Dammit, Seth Efrikens beat the Windies.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 4:52 pm
for that matter how to you spell squonk?
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 4:53 pm
Zimpaul;
Angry? nah mate, you dont know me at all. This is a blog site, absolutely no effin reason to get angry….
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 4:54 pm
do
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 4:54 pm
Wenger on how to recognise quality:
“A team goes to the strong points,” he said.
“Like a human being it has an intelligence. That’s why most of the game goes through the good players.
“If other guys don’t get the ball it’s because they think he’s not a good player.”
Denilson. The player who had the most touches on the ball in the entire Premier League last season. Why do his teammates pass to him so much?
Honest question to those who think he’s crap: Why do his teammates pass to him so much?
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 4:56 pm
Good Spike. I didn’t think I knew you.
… all this talk of ice cream has left me a bit peckish
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 4:57 pm
Fu*k ice cream, anyone feeling cold turkey.
By: DukeGoonem on June 13, 2009
at 5:03 pm
Nice piece Yogi. Its strange but if a youngster goes to University in another country it is viewed positively. What’s the difference as long as the education, whether it be football or academic is up to standard?
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 5:19 pm
Winter in Istanbul is over-rated.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 5:19 pm
Don’t worry, you wont. I understand you just have a different opinion. And all you ask for was the perfect defender. World peace is what I am wishing for. Amen.
Vanilla Ice cream
======================
Nope,. didnt ask for the perfect defender, that was all your own hilarious work there fella. I simply stated an opinion on Gallas being a better defender than Kolo and that perhaps one or both may leave, IF, as Wenger suggested, new defenders were signed.
As fior the ice cream ‘gag’… Sheeesh, must be a riot round at your place…
Alex;
Never said I was attacked man. But this lumpin of people in different camps; Doomers and Rose tinters is something that pisses me off. I get called a doomer here and a rose tinter elsewhere!
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 5:20 pm
spike fella imo there ain’t gonna be room for both Toure and Gallas…. one is a semi crock (Gallas)… and pound for pound a better defender than Toure… both now bleed for the arse…but we cant aford to be sentimental anymore and it aint a questoin of being a rose tinter or a doomer… one or the other will go .. and imho it has to be one or the other
By: Muppet on June 13, 2009
at 5:28 pm
zimpaul
what is inside out ?
By: santino on June 13, 2009
at 5:29 pm
Debates on ACLF tend to be robust. It’s good.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 5:30 pm
It’s a difficult cricket shot Santino.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 5:31 pm
LOL Muppet, you cruel man. LOL
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 5:33 pm
Muppet give up your day job. You have a career as a satirist.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 5:33 pm
when its all said and done and and its a dog fight in a cage to the death its hard to say who will die first but my money would be on both of them killing each other.
By: DukeGoonem on June 13, 2009
at 5:33 pm
Or that is your day job?
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 5:34 pm
He has a job?
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 5:36 pm
Sharp DG
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 5:36 pm
zimpaul
why your team is not participating in t20?
By: santino on June 13, 2009
at 5:37 pm
Thank goodness Spike has penetrated this arse blog and injected some enjoyment. Effin good work, fella.
By: Poliziano on June 13, 2009
at 5:39 pm
i was a huge fan of andy flower back in the day .neil jhonson and murry goodwin were also good players.
By: santino on June 13, 2009
at 5:40 pm
Hey, fellas, don’t mess with the Spike or you might get pricked.
By: Poliziano on June 13, 2009
at 5:41 pm
Spike,
Nobody has classified you either as a rose tinter or a doomer here.
Its not as if squad reinforcements in defence are not needed. However, the arguments of some people that buying a new centre back proves that Toure ‘has lost it’ is not valid and is an insult to a good player and loyal person like Toure.
By: Alex on June 13, 2009
at 5:42 pm
Well, it’s a long story because our guys are better than at least 3 teams who are participating. In brief the senior cricket officials in Zim are tainted with the brush of corruption in government, and some officials are actually banned from visiting UK. The country as a whole is in difficult period, and lacks many essentials. The decision was taken that the cricket team couldn’t afford to go.
It’s tough.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 5:42 pm
Yeah Santino for a brief time Zimbabdwe’s batting line up of Grant Flower, Murray Goodwin, Andy Flower, Dave Houghton and Neil Johnson was one of the very best. Sad that Neil Johnson and Murray Goodwin left soon and Andy Flower followed.
By: Alex on June 13, 2009
at 5:44 pm
On Denilson, I’d like to see the list of the other players who have alot of touches on the ball. I think Mikel might there as well a certain Nicky Butt
When you play as a deep lying central midfielder and pick the ball off the centre backs then it’s no surprise that a player gets alot of touches of the ball. Denilson also rarely makes any runs beyond the midfield, instead of preferring to drop off -again!- make himself available for the next pass, only to pass right back to the same player, and so the cycle(tedious cycle some might say) continues.
I was quite impressed with Denilson in the first half versus United. If he manages to keep up that intensity for long spells and also break out of the robotic sideways passing routine to give the opposition a different look, then he has potential to be good/useful/revered player.
By: Paulinho on June 13, 2009
at 5:45 pm
Andy Flower is a legend, and his brother Grant.
We had a good team. There’s a new crop now, very promising, young. Amazing keeper by the name Tatenda Taibu, and fine batters including Hamilton Masakdza (the youngest player to score a ton in a test, against West Indies aged 17).
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 5:46 pm
And we beat Australia in the SA World T20.
They were shocked all the way to the outback.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 5:50 pm
ZimPaul, is Taibu still the captain or is someone else the captain now?
By: Alex on June 13, 2009
at 5:50 pm
Polizano;
You are soooo wacky… Keep it up
Alex;
Fair enough mate. But I think you’ll find i was referred to as an infiltrator and part of a certain family! Ive posted on here, albeit sporadically for ages, and I think there is alot of pigeon holing if 1 doesnt sing from the same hymn sheet…
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 5:50 pm
I think my drink was spiked.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 5:51 pm
Off-spinner Proper Utseya has been capt for 3 years now. Pretty good player, and excellent captain. Taibu’s younger brother has joined the national side and is better than Tatenda. Vusi Sibanda came back from australia provincial cricket and opens the batting. A few of the white players are returning, notably leggy Ray Price who makes a formidable spin combination with Proper. We love our cricket team!
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 5:56 pm
I meant my ice cream
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 5:58 pm
Paulinho,
Players with the most touches in the Premier League:
1. Denilson. 3,462 touches.
2. Lampard. 3,355 touches.
Source: Times Online end of season review.
Unfortunately they didn’t give a more complete list. But I would expect the likes of Fabregas, Alonso, Gerrard & Alonso to figure on the higher places on that list.
The likes of Mascherano, Palacios etc., I’d expect to feature lowly.
There’s something for the doomer in that stat though. Someone would try to say it’s why we had creative problems; Denilson was getting too much of the ball.
But it very much shows that his team mates rate him. If they didn’t they won’t pass to him so much. He won’t be so influential or involved in play.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 6:01 pm
No need to get effin spiky, fella.
By: Poliziano on June 13, 2009
at 6:04 pm
Sorry to talk cricket here, my last mention, but this story is really interesting. Opener Vermeulen who, after being hit sickeningly on the face (through the helmut) by a Brett Lee 158 kph bouncer, was told he could never play cricket again for fear of permanent brain damage. He later set fire to the cricket academy and was only kept out of jail because of sympathy for his injury. He is back. Looks like he will open the batting again. A much loved figure in cricket lore in these parts. Wonderful cover drive.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 6:08 pm
It can get difficult on here if you start kicking against the spikes…I mean the pricks…Oh, I’m just confusing myself now.
By: Poliziano on June 13, 2009
at 6:08 pm
ZimP;
Tsk tsk, that was a really lame effort….
Polizano;
Oh dear, you’ll have to stay behind after class for that one. BTW have you flogged any other dead horses lately fella?
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 6:08 pm
Don’t worry Zimpaul, I’m filling the void with Tennis and Golf myself. Not much good boxing on the telly these days.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 6:11 pm
Consider your self bespiked
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 6:12 pm
I am king of the bad joke, spikey.
Which reminds me (true story), in my younger atheltic days I had to borrow spikes for the 800m.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 6:15 pm
Well, Spike, at least I won’t be on my own. You’re already being kept behind for your ridiculous name.
By: Poliziano on June 13, 2009
at 6:18 pm
zimpaul
who is your fav cricket player outside your country ? mine is sachin
By: santino on June 13, 2009
at 6:19 pm
Don’t you dare spike to me like that spike. Thus spoke her royal heinous.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 6:19 pm
“There’s something for the doomer in that stat though. Someone would try to say it’s why we had creative problems; Denilson was getting too much of the ball.”
That’s my biggest concern with Denilson. A bit too much passing for passing’s sake and are we spiking our momentum in the bigger scheme of things if Clichy or Sagna decide to pass infield to Denilson instead of looking further afield to the more risky/high reward pass?
I was a massive fan of Hleb and he had similar stats in terms of getting alot of the ball, Fabregas also, but both those players were/are not afraid of receiving the ball in congested areas and then passing it on, an exercise which draws players towards them, which also makes the simple pass afterwards a penetrative, progressive one simply for the reason that the receiving player has more space to run into. Denilson receives the ball in lots of space and the opposition are quite content to let him have it so that element of is not there. He often passes to players who themselves are under pressure.
This accusation could also be thrown at Nasri too and as winger type the onus is on him to these things more than Denilson I suppose.
By: Paulinho on June 13, 2009
at 6:22 pm
Ole Gunner.
Cotto-Clottey on tonight!
By: Paulinho on June 13, 2009
at 6:22 pm
ole gunner
what do you think about Andy Murray ?
is he the next best thing ?
By: santino on June 13, 2009
at 6:24 pm
Liverpool and Chelsea have had bids for Glenn Johnson accepted.FFS wern”t Liverpool going out of business last week?
By: Gooner Ted on June 13, 2009
at 6:25 pm
Damned, I come on and there are over 200 comments on a Saturday! I figured it must be raining in London, but a check of the weather showed that wasn’t the case. What’s up?
Anyhow, a brief comment on Gallas. He got so much flack for his failures as a captain and leader. But I think before the March meltdown, Arsenal had performed way, way above most people’s expectations during the 2007-2008 season. I actually thought they might be good after watching the Emirates Cup the summer before. The team showed an intensity and toughness and togetherness that boded well. Flamini has been widely praised for bringing that, but I thought Gallas and Cesc were also key leaders by example in that team. So, the ‘failure’ of Gallas’ leadership was only remarkable because he had been so good for the club up to that point.
By: California Gooner on June 13, 2009
at 6:26 pm
Whats sooo wrong with the name Spike???
Spike Milligan was a genius. Completely crackers but a genius nonetheless/
Ooh, some of you are bitchier than a fishwives convention… I’ll scratch yer eyes out
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 6:26 pm
I like Sachin too, also Chris Gayle, Chanderpaul, Jayasuriya and Mendis, Yuvraj and Sehwag. Sachin is the greatest of his generation.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 6:28 pm
I liked Spike Milligan when he was with the other two. What were they? The Goon Show or something.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 6:32 pm
Dont worry Spike, Spike out of the gremlins was cool.
By: DukeGoonem on June 13, 2009
at 6:33 pm
Are you on skipe spike?
Oh this silliness must stop.
Bad Zimpaul.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 6:35 pm
Nothing wrong with the name.
There I said it.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 6:39 pm
Paulinho,
All those touches weren’t passes. Passes were less than half of those. So somehow there must be some quality to the guy.
I don’t think it’s fair to say Denilson passes for the sake of passing. Especially since so many also accuse him of only being capable of making safe passes.
Cotto’s a bloody tough guy. The beating he got from Margarito- that was some drubbing. I think he took it till the very end. That was a good fight. I expect he’d beat Clottey who I haven’t seen much of to be honest.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 6:48 pm
Gooner Ted,
Are you a Liverpool or Shellsey fan? Did this blog become a Liverpool or Shellsey blog?
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 6:50 pm
“Ooh, some of you are bitchier than a fishwives convention… I’ll scratch yer eyes out”
He tells jokes does our spiky
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 6:54 pm
Passes for the sake of passing?
He passes to keep the opposition moving, in the hope of creating space. That’s what all the Arsenal players do.
In most football matches, there are only a small number of goals. A goal-scoring opportunity cannot be created with every touch. The players have to work for an opportunity.
By: Poliziano on June 13, 2009
at 6:56 pm
Poliziano,
I suppose Makelele also crunched all those tackles for the sake of it…
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 7:13 pm
well people SHOULD be praising Denilson for a good first season in the prem at a young age. how can anyone expect him to put in great match winning performances straight away… erm..week out week in.
By: DukeGoonem on June 13, 2009
at 7:13 pm
Gooner Ted – If Liverpool spend any real money it will be the proceeds of sales. They have at least 4 players being linked with big moves and several others being put in the “to be moved on” category.
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 7:17 pm
Can someone tell me what position Denilson plays in? I have spent the entire season under the impression that he is a DM, his role being to win the ball and breakup opposition play but from all of the criticism he gets he must play another position.
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 7:24 pm
Ole;
Thanks for noticing… I do try…
As for Denilson, I think he was asked to shoulder a lot of responsibilty this season and somewhere got labelled with passin sideways all the time, when I can remember him setting up a few goals and getting forward alot. The very 1st game of the season v WBA he was everywhere for us.
I think him and Song have come on sooo much this season, at the expense of us putting up much of a title challenge. maybe Wenger didnt get the player he wanted to replace Flamini/Gilberto/Diarra or he purposely wanted to bring him and Song on???
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 7:28 pm
Spike – I am of the opinion that Wenger did go after a couple of midfielders last summer, Alonso and Inler are the names usually mentioned but couldn’t get either of them.
As always Wenger will not sign a player for the sake of it. Why settle for second best if the alternative is to improve your young players.
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 7:34 pm
Don’t worry spiky. They all say they don’t belong to any family in the start. But as time passes by, and Arsenal loses a game, they all start to lose it. However in your case it will be “as time passes by and Arsene doesn’t buy anyone” you’ll start to lose it. My work has just started yet. You’ll see, we get many like you all the time, looking for rational debate and being die hard supporters. Who suggest a couple of tweaking to the team here and there. But with time, my friend, you’ll know we’re all part of a big effin family.
Yup. Pre-emptive strike. It had to be done.
By: The Doomer's Family on June 13, 2009
at 7:37 pm
Ole, I’m glad you’ve gone back to your original name BTW. Denilson’s team mate Arshavin was full of praise for him after the Portsmouth away game. Also re-watching some of last season’s matches on ATV, I’ve noticed how often Denilson was responsible for the pass before the assist, sometimes from an interception. Because Arsene has asked him to sit back and play the DM role, he has obviously been reigning himself in. Occasionally he does let fly with some really fantastic incisive forward passes (Blackburn at Emirates comes to mind). I’m sure as he becomes more comfortable in his role, we will begin to see more of this side of him, whereas he has mostly been playing it safe in order to keep the ball moving and help the team retain possession, which is his primary role.
By: Passenal on June 13, 2009
at 7:37 pm
The Doomer’s Family – You really give weight to the argument “there’s no blood thicker than ink”
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 7:39 pm
Wow, you must be a contortionist fella. being able to post on here with your head so far up your own arse like that….
Talk about delusions of granduer…. jeeez.
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 7:40 pm
FFS, hasnt Wenger signed anyone yet? Whats he waitin for?
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 7:44 pm
Honestly I’m quite intrigued by the Denilson situation. I think I have never seen a player with such overwhelmingly positive stats, and such widespread view of him as dismal. I really and truly do not. Everyone here knows I’m into numbers. I look at anything that can be measured. When I still kept a car I knew what the pressure in each tire was.
I follow stats. It is unprecedented to find a player who all the stats indicate to have played very well but who is somehow a crap player.
And have you seen the boy? Have you seen his interview. Handsome baby face must be a marketing asset to the club. His obvious cleanliness as a human being. (He won’t be shagging grannies). His very professional attitude that’s just unpararelled in a player of his age. The fact that he runs so fucking much. If you run so much it has to be because you care. I’ve played sports. Especially in football, if you don’t care you’re running no fucking way.
Also considering the pressure he’s been under as a kid getting his chance at a top club, and then the pressure the whole club was under, and then the pressure of fans targeting him and scapegoating him. He’s just gotten on with it. Never will you see the boy hide or not take responsibility. Never will you see him not wanting to receive the ball.
Honestly, it blows my mind. I can’t understand why some Arsenal fans hate Denilson and say he’s shit.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 7:46 pm
Passenal – There was a period after the Man City game where the teams dynamic was change in order to help regain some defensive stability. The players most affected by this were Denilson and Cesc. Cesc was pushed forward on his return from injury, Denilson given less license to push forward. Song whose game is naturally more defensive was not effected in the same way.
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 7:47 pm
Paulinho @ 6:22 pm: “That’s my biggest concern with Denilson. A bit too much passing for passing’s sake and are we spiking our momentum in the bigger scheme of things…”
Are you serious?
Now the truth is out – Denilson passes the ball too much, he makes too many safe passes in his half of the field, he is too pre-occupied with maintaining possession!!!
Poor Denilson – you are in the wrong league son…methinks I should fix you up with an agent who can engineer a transfer to FC Barcelona.
By: shotta-gunna on June 13, 2009
at 7:47 pm
Can anybody give just ONE good reason we didn’t buy Ronaldo or Kaka?
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 7:51 pm
Ole Gunner – You never hear about Denilson falling out of nightclubs, getting into fights or shagging some rotten tart from Debden (even though your married) either.
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 7:51 pm
LMAO spike
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 7:51 pm
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25630289-2883,00.html
I always find Arsene interesting to listen to
By: Passenal on June 13, 2009
at 7:52 pm
ZimPaul – Wenger couldn’t be bothered to fish £80 million in change from the back of the sofa.
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 7:52 pm
Spike @ 7.40pm – Was that addressed at me?
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 7:53 pm
ZP
we didnt buy kaka or ronaldo because we couldnt afford them…
well i tell a lie…we could of signed ronaldo before utd did as wenger admitted…but we wouldnt stump up that little bit extra…oh well…
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 7:53 pm
shotta-gunna – Dead right. People praise one team (European Champions) for the way they play and then criticise a young player for this kind of football. It really beggars belief.
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 7:55 pm
I always wondered where Arsene stashed the dosh
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 7:55 pm
The Fink Tank (on Times Online) did an analysis called “The real player of the season” trying to measure which players contributed the most to each point their clubs gained. Guess who was at Number 5?
Denilson (Ahead of Vidic).
The Fink Tank said it was a controversial finding.
My point is not his ranking in the Fink Tank statistical Player of the Year stakes. My point is that nobody is willing to consider that the boy might actually have been good this season despite a sea of evidence suggesting that.
Some say I am obssessed with this issue, but I think this is one example of the foolishness of crowds.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 7:55 pm
JonJon – We put in a bid of about £5.5 – £6 million for Ronaldo. ManU paid £14 odd million for him. Even the Irish guys who part owned ManU at the time asked questions as to why so much more.
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 7:57 pm
Marc;
Nope, not you, shouldve said so after, sorry.
I think we havent heard about Denilson’s partying hard, coke snortin, cross dressing and swinging with European Aristocracy due to the fact max Clifford is his PR man…
Bloody good he is…
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 7:57 pm
“Honestly, it blows my mind. I can’t understand why some Arsenal fans hate Denilson and say he’s shit.”
I don’t get it either Ole.
By: Passenal on June 13, 2009
at 7:59 pm
Sorry..:Denilson was Number 5 in Midfielders. Number 7 overall….
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 8:01 pm
What? We missed out on signing Ronaldo as well??? FFS! Heads shud roll for this one, bloomin typical tight fisted Wenger….Grrrrrr!
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 8:01 pm
Spike – I can’t stand Max Clifford. Denilson’s rubbish sell him! Give him away. PAY SOMEONE TO TAKE HIM!!!!
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 8:01 pm
im not so sure about that marc….
wenger had been tracking him for a while and was stalling over the price for a while…
manutd played them in a pre season friendly and paid the the cash the wanted … i believe it was more like 12 mil… manutds only concern was because fergie bought him on the back of one game…. but it turned out to be a steal…
with sporting and manutd linked..the deal went through straight away and wenger missed out…
but thats football…paying 10mil for henry was a steal, but i suppose this conversation is neither here nor there…
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 8:03 pm
Cant stand him either, but he does a fantastic job for his clients… Max Clifford I mean.
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 8:03 pm
JonJon – Such is life. There’s a line from a song I like “Some days are shiny, some days have a grin and some days are bouncers that won’t let you in”
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 8:07 pm
i think denilson played more games then anyone else aswell.
By: kirby on June 13, 2009
at 8:07 pm
denilson isnt shit…he just isnt good enough yet…
i think wenger told him to keep it simple in his first season hence the reason so many short passes…he started well but fell away towards the end…in songs case it was the other way round….
either way..if wenger signs a new midfeilder it means he doesnt think denilson and song are ready yet so we’ll just have to hang fire and wait and see what happens in the window…
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 8:07 pm
i like that marc… lol
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 8:09 pm
SSN did a little poll the other day. Who were the top 6 strikers in the premiership ?
Now my arsenal friends, let us guess the top 6. Any arsenal players ? Was VP on the list…Nope…
I think it was composed of Torres, Rooney, Anelka, Kuyt, Drogba and Agbonlahor !!
No VP !!!
There is a definite anti-arsenal bias out there. Accolades were showered upon Torres last year… this is the player that scored the same amount of goals as Adebayor (24 I think, in the premiership). Walcott was singled out for attention in the England games – ffs. Nasri fails to get any mention as one of the players that Wenger brought in… but he was excellent and underrated in my view… Almunia was excellent in that he hardly made any mistakes and was as consistent as Cech…. but was he the goalkeeper of the season or in contention.. er no.
By: Muppet on June 13, 2009
at 8:10 pm
JonJon,
Wenger says we’d actually even virtually signed him. He’d been to the dressing room in Highbury and even knew what his squad number was going to be. Queiroz stepped in at the last moment, Man poo paid twice the money and the rest is history.
You’re crazy to suggest that we could have gone into a bidding war with United. We’d never win a bidding war with a richer club. When we’ve signed players ahead of them it was not for money, it was because the player preferred us.
Note! He was just 17 at the time. We’d been watching him for 2 years. Fergie saw him over one game but knew that if Arsene was signing him he was class.
Same thing Moaninho did again and again at Chelski.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 8:10 pm
JonJon – There’s another one but it’s a little more down beat “God pisses down the back of your neck every day, but he only drowns you once”.
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 8:11 pm
ole why you dragging the ronaldo thing out… i said in my post what happened…the same thing you said in yours…im not suggesting we should have got into a bidding war with utd… i said thats football…
only you are suggesting i suggested… i suggest you wind your head in for once…and think before you type…or actually read other ppls posts properly before making false judgements or stereotypical assertions…
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 8:17 pm
Muppet – It’s amazing who the press will hold up as quality. Torres – No argument top top player. Drogba – Not the player he was a couple of years ago. Anelka – Talented but still fucked up. Rooney – Technically very good but doesn’t score enough goals for a top striker. Agbonlahor – Very quick but it’s easy to stand out in a ordinary team. Kuyt – Good grief.
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 8:17 pm
Muppet,
Carlos Vela and maybe even Walcott are better strikers than Agbonlahor. If Arsenal signed Agbonlahor today he’d be behind Carlos Vela. What he has is his blistering pace, and even there Walcott is faster.
kirby,
Many out there think Wenger is a moron. But somehow I think he must be clever enough to know when a player is doing the job for him or not. If a player like that is playing so many games (running 13 KM per game!) I suspect it’s because Wenger sees his value.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 8:18 pm
JonJon,
Oh, I read your comment. You said;
“well i tell a lie…we could of signed ronaldo before utd did as wenger admitted…but we wouldnt stump up that little bit extra…oh well…”
When you say we WOULDN’T, that suggests that we could have, but just didn’t feel like. Or Wenger couldn’t figure out where he left the spare change.
You guys are pathetic. You make silly statements/points/arguments. When taken up on them you blame the person responding to your comment.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 8:23 pm
Err… JonJon.. no..you said we were outbid.. That’s not strictly true is it though, because Ronaldo had a relationship with Queiroz, and was swayed by him.
I think it’s the reality that we will be outbid, probably for lots of players. I don’t know if your comments are that we are outbid and therefore it just shows we are a small club, or you are just resigning yourself to the reality.
By: Muppet on June 13, 2009
at 8:24 pm
Marc, Ole
I agree. I wish we had more of a continental press because I get tired of watching the usual hacks on Sky Sunday Supplement. The broadsheet journalists are usually good but some of the tabloid hacks make one want to run for the hills.
By: Muppet on June 13, 2009
at 8:27 pm
SSN has had a series of best goals, saves, strikers, midfidlers, GKs, defenders…. Not one Arsenal related thing in there….
Almunia made some amazing saves, but they just had the usual media hyped dudes, including Dasvid james FFS.
Nasri has been immentse this season, scoring goals as well as a great work rate and ability and willingness to track back, tackle etc… Maybe thats why he came out and said he can do the DM role, if required.
But fuck all that… Have we signed Eto’o yet???
Why the fuck not? Effin stingy Board again…pfft
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 8:30 pm
Muppet – ManU didn’t just out bid us. They paid at least double what we had offered for Ronaldo. In itself it can be considered as no big deal but when you look at the recent patten of signings by ManU it shows a pattern of paying over the odds for players. At some point this profligacy will come back to haunt ManU.
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 8:31 pm
oh no..
i said oh well… we couldnt afford 80mil but we could afford 12… but we didnt and its gone…neither here or there and thats football..
some of the tripe you guys say is laughable…best to describe it…
i know spike from another site and he is far from anti arsenal… far far from…but he said the smallist thing of slightest importance and was jumped on…
that happens too much on here some of you really need to get a life and if the sole reason you support the club is to lead a crusade against certain fans then i suggest you fuck off and support the team where you come from and do it to them…
cos the whole branding of fan bullshit is exactley that…bullshit…
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 8:33 pm
Muppet – I think that even the broadsheet journo’s aren’t what they were. Henry Winter used to talk (mostly) good, common sense. The last season or two he seems to have buried his head in Fergie’s colon.
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 8:35 pm
I am personally delighted we didn’t get Ronaldo. I don’t like his smarmy attitude, but maybe if he had come to Arsenal he would behave a little better. I like all Arsenal players. In fact, I only like Arsenal players. I think Denilson and Song will be the revelations of the next season.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 8:35 pm
jonjon;
Thanks, Im touched dude, seriously… but enough about my mental health
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 8:35 pm
Marc;
Henry Winter is a chav sycophant and sucks up to Fergie sumfin rotten too. Football hacks, tabloid and otherwise, in the main are orrible agenda driven jaundiced overly cynical twats who, instead of regaling us with articulate football reports, regurgitate lazy hackneyed xenophobic little englander fallacies….
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 8:37 pm
And Vela and Walcott.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 8:37 pm
And Eboue and Ade and Dudu and RV.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 8:38 pm
Goals per minute, Premier League:
Agbonlahor: 264
Carlos Vela: 214
To be fair Vela only played 428 minutes while Agbonlahor played 3166.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 8:38 pm
And maybe Vermalaen who slew the Antigoon.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 8:38 pm
Marc,
There is no doubt that Man U have spent big. You have to say that without the money they would not have been successful. Also, I think that despite some of their more high profile transfer fiascos, they did, unfortunately for us, get it right with the likes of Vidic, Ronaldo, Evra and Van Der Sar.
I think the Ronaldo departure will be really telling. In effect they no longer have a match winner who is capable of conjuring a win out of nothing. They have match winners, sure, but none like Ronaldo. He was worth at least 25 points for each of the last 3 seasons.
JonJon,
Fuck off.
By: Muppet on June 13, 2009
at 8:41 pm
And Spike cause he can take a joke and make one too. And he supports the Arsenal and has said some something important about the media.
By: ZimPaul on June 13, 2009
at 8:41 pm
BEST VIDEO OF ANDREY as an Arsenal Player
By: Nemesis on June 13, 2009
at 8:43 pm
Another correction….Vela only scored on Premier League goal. So he got that 1 goal in 428 minutes.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 8:45 pm
Muppet – No argument. My point was if you waste big money on the likes of Anderson and Nani you have less to spend when you really need it.
Especially when you a £750 million credit card bill to repay.
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 8:45 pm
ZimPaul;
Im fillin up here fella….
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 8:45 pm
ZimPaul – You only have to see the personality change in Ashley Cole after he left us to see how different Ronaldo could have been had he signed for us and been surrounded by decent human beings instead of that lot.
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 8:47 pm
Obviously missing out on Ronaldo (for whatever reason) is a bummer, United have spent huge sums on the likes of Ferdinand, Rooney, Carrick, Hargreves and Berbatov (£130 million approx) You HAVE to win shit if you are spending that much dough! And personally, I dont want us to go down that particular route. Hopefully, with the youths coming thru, we might not need to buy many players in a season or 2!
Well, apart from Buffon, Maicon, Chielinni, Zapata, Owen, Carvalho, Essien, Matuidi (FFS! Weve missed lout on him already! Bl;oody Wenger pissin about in malaysia) Lescott, Young, Yaya, Messi…
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 8:50 pm
Marc,
Absolutely. Of course, cough, cough, not wanting to wish the demise of any club, but if it so happens that they have been a little reckless in their expenditure, and the chickens are coming home to roost, then it will be a nice vindication of our patient strategy.
By: Muppet on June 13, 2009
at 8:51 pm
JonJon,
Nobody brands you. Your words brand you. I know you from another site and I don’t even think you’re one of those I consider anti-Arsenal.
There are people I know on this and that other forum whose every comment is slagging off either the players, the manager or the club. Just like Tottenscum fans I know.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 8:51 pm
By passing for passing’s sake I meant there is no method to Denilson’s passing, no real thought behind it. He’s like a tennis player continually playing a backhand slice.
I’m a fan of the Barca way of playing with Iniesta and Xavi, and at Arsenal when Fabregas and Hleb probed with purpose, but with Denilson there’s no ‘thread’ or idea. It’s just pass to Clichy, get it back, pass to Sagna, get it back.
That sort of stuff does nothing to trouble the top teams and only succeeds in taking all the thrust and momentum out of our game. There was quite clearly a moment in the first half against Chelsea in the F.A Cup when Fabregas petulantly stamped his foot on the floor in show of frustration after Denilson neglected to pass to him in order to play his usual regulation ball sideways and backwards.
Denilson did show some potential at times this season to play it simple and then try to be more expansive – such as the pass to Arshavin for his goal against Blackburn – but in general it’s all very plodding and predictable.
By: Paulinho on June 13, 2009
at 8:54 pm
spike the buffon rumour was a classic…30mil?? whats wenger playing at??
we probably wont need to buy anyone soon..
have you seen what our CC line up maybe for next season… wilshere, ramsey, coquelin, merida…
that could be a world class midfeild in 5 years time…
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 8:54 pm
Yeah, I like the look of Lansbury too. Thinkhe’ll be goin on loan again.
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 8:58 pm
i like lansbury… i like Jet and frimpong…but i cant see them all making it…especially if cesc, nasri,song and denilson are still about…
the age gap between them isnt that big,and there isnt room for them all…
but it would be nice if they did…
dont rate randall though, think hes got a touch of the bentleys about him…
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 9:03 pm
Paulinho – In the Barca way of playing Denilson is not Iniesta or Xavi. He’s Yaya Toure. Cesc, Nasri, Ashavin, Rosicky even Diaby are our creative players. Please compare like for like and give the lad a chance.
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 9:04 pm
JonJon – If Randell does have a touch of the Bentley’s about him the worst we can do is earn £10 or so million out of him. The youth system can be productive in more than one way.
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 9:07 pm
Paulinho,
That’s his job. His job is to pass the ball safely. It doesn’t matter if he passes from his left foot to his right foot. First and foremost he should keep possession.
But the number of assists he got makes mockery of the claim that his passing does nothing to does nothing to “trouble the top teams and only succeeds in taking all the thrust and momentum out of our game”.
He got more assists than a lot of playmakers in the league: Carrick, Ronaldo, Alonso, Ashley Young just to name a few.
That shows that somehow he did find some “thrust and momentum”.
Before reaching your opinion, did you consider that it’s more dangerous to the team if the defensive midfielder loses the ball in the middle of the park than if he loses it out on the flanks? Doesnt that fact help explain why he prefers to shift the ball out wide?
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 9:10 pm
Ya Ya Toure?
I think if I compare Denilson with Ya Ya Youre like for like then I’ll end up being more critical than when I was when I compared him to Xavi.
By: Paulinho on June 13, 2009
at 9:11 pm
the youth system is second to none marc…the way its set up is not only to help us but to help other teams as well…
we have bundles of talent…whoever doenst make it will be sold at a profit and whoever is sold will go on to make a good career…who doesnt want an arsenal kid…
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 9:13 pm
Ole Gunner – I have a genuine fear that if the constant slagging off and criticism of Denilson continues he will move on to a new club in Spain. In a couple of years we will then have to listen to these idiots asking why did we sell Denilson? He’s just won the CL with Madrid or Barca. It will of course be Wengers fault or those supporters who back Wenger.
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 9:18 pm
Unlike many, I think Randall can come good. He has been written off by most Gooners I speak to, but i think he could surprise us and step up. He needs to go out on loan tho, which Banfield already alluded to.
Obviously they cant all make it, although i always hope for the best when it comes to the yutes; Lupoli, Svard, Muamba, Bothroyd, Bentley, etc was gutted when they all left
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 9:20 pm
I strongly doubt that Yaya Toure makes as many tackles as Denilson, and he certainly doesn’t make as many interceptions.
By: Poliziano on June 13, 2009
at 9:21 pm
Marc/Ole;
Do either of you guys think we need to sign a defensive midfielder?
We should definitely try and sign gareth barry, IMO.
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 9:21 pm
Paulinho – What formation do you want us to play? And within that who would you like to see play alongside Cesc? Who is good enough?
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 9:21 pm
Glad we all love the youth system.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 9:22 pm
Spike – Are you serious? I get a little confused between the Muppet’s of the world and the idiots.
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 9:24 pm
What hasnt Wenger made a machine like in that film; “The Fly” yet? How much longer does he need FFS??? Why do i bother paying soooo much for my season ticket?
Then he could put all Flamini’s work rate, tenacity, box to box running, stamina and high energy into Gilberto’s big frame…. Sorted.
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 9:24 pm
Marc;
The 1st bit was serious!
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 9:25 pm
“That’s his job. His job is to pass the ball safely”
Is it his job or is it the height of his capabilities?
“But the number of assists he got makes mockery of the claim that his passing does nothing to does nothing to “trouble the top teams and only succeeds in taking all the thrust and momentum out of our game”.
It wasn’t really his passing in these instances, but his off the ball running. This off the ball running dried up dramatically after the Bolton match. Did Wenger rein him in or did the week in week out grind of premier league football catchup with him?
“Before reaching your opinion, did you consider that it’s more dangerous to the team if the defensive midfielder loses the ball in the middle of the park than if he loses it out on the flanks? Doesnt that fact help explain why he prefers to shift the ball out wide?”
Do Xavi and Iniesta think that when they decide cut a swathe through the opposition’s midfield and decide to dispense with the pleasantries? The top teams play high risk/high reward football or moderate risk/moderate reward football, without worrying about failing or losing the ball. They back themselves.
If Denilson had the defensive prowess of Ya Ya Toure then he could get away with a basic offensive game, but he gets outmuscled and out-manouvered defensively as well as playing too safe going forward.
I know he has good stats for interceptions and tackles but there are no stats for being outmanouevered or outmuscled in midfield, or faling to track runners. There were no stats for when Lampard dispossessed an ambling Denilson outside our box in the F.A Semi Final, or when he stopped tracking Leon Osman for Everton’s goal at the Emirates.
By: Paulinho on June 13, 2009
at 9:27 pm
Paulinho, your comments on Denilson just show your ignorance. I am absolutely convinced that you will be eating your words soon, so let’s wait and see.
By: Passenal on June 13, 2009
at 9:28 pm
Marc,
That could well happen. I remember how much stick Flamini got until that last season. Especially in the season before.
Spike,
I think we need experience in midfield. I think we have room to have a very strong, complete central midfielder. Two players I particularly like are Senna and De Rossi. I prefer Senna because he’s at the end of his career and in the long run won’t block any of the younger players competing for that position.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 9:30 pm
Marc, I’m not fussed with the formation. As long as we get the right mixture of attributes in the side, play high tempo football, then we can pull off any formation.
I trust Wenger with that stuff on the most part. I was even in favour of him moving Nasri centrally. I think he could be massive there!
By: Paulinho on June 13, 2009
at 9:31 pm
If in doubt (or lack any counter argument) keep the faith eh Passenal?
By: Paulinho on June 13, 2009
at 9:32 pm
Spike – I was a little concerned by the Barry comment. I think it would be unfair to buy a DM after the improvement shown by Denilson and Song over the season. My only real concern is if Denilson gets injured while Song is unavailable during the ACN.
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 9:33 pm
Ole; Senna looked top against us in the CL. Whether he could do it week in, week out in the premier league tho, might be a different story, then again, the fella’s top class. Older than Gilberto, but top class!
I wonder if Real will offload that other Diarra, Mamadou, in their oh so soon fire sale? Coz I rate him and his injury proneness will be a huge comfort to the likes of Rosicky, RvP and Eduardo too…
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 9:35 pm
Marc;
I can see why you would be against signing an experienced DM, but i think it would aid Song AND Denilson’s progress. They won’t have the pressure they had this season, we know they can come in when needed and the amount of games, they would get enough games, in Song’s case, some of em at CB too.
I think, of the 2, Song has shown the greater improvement over the season. Although Denilson was solid until, he ran out of gas….
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 9:38 pm
we need experience and presence in the midfield…
song and denilson do a good job, but we need someone who can do more than just a job, we need a player who can run the midfield, epsecially is cesc has an off day….
i suppose in this day in age with the citehs and chavs of this world a player in the right price range who ticks the boxes are hard to come buy but if anyone can find him im sure wenger can…as long as they arent 17-18..by that i mean look at the signings of petit and edu for example…neither were pricw busters but both were good players who had a presence…and neither were 5 years old…
i like de rossi ole but i think the price would be too much
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 9:38 pm
I really don’t understand this obsession with Yaya Toure. If we buy him, firstly he will be off to the ACN in January and secondly he might look good in Spain, but who’s to say he has what it takes for the PL?
By: Passenal on June 13, 2009
at 9:40 pm
I have to agree with Passenal. Actually there are stats for all those. You can check out the number of duels he wins.
Find me one midfield player who’s never been dispossessed in football. Or find me one player who has never failed to track a runner.
You’re getting really ridiculous now with your risk/reward stuff. I don’t see Mascherano, or Mikel making fancy passes either. I don’t see any defensive midfielder making risky passes. He’d be out of position in no time.
Again, he does not have a “basic offensive game”. He got more assists than Carrick, Ronaldo, Alonso and Ashley Young. Those are considered some of the best playmakers in the Premier League. He got more assists than Yaya Toure for friggin sake.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 9:40 pm
Paulinho – Let’s see Yaya Toure play against Bolton (or any other northern shit kickers) in the middle of Feb and have the shit kicked out of him with no protection from the ref.
He would be on the first flight back to Spain. Please compare like for like.
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 9:42 pm
GKB GUIDE
There’s been a lot of talk about the ‘Grovers Know Best’ brigade in recent weeks. I’ve had
many emails asking me to point out how you can tell early on if your loved one might have
been struck down with the disease.
Here’s a list of indicators:
1. Inability of think for themselves. They can no longer sit in the pubs with their
footballing friends and enter into reasoned conversation. His/Her friends will grow bored of
their debating tactics… ‘Song is shit’ grows tired after a few years.
2. Negative support of anything Arsene. Yes. When your loved one sounds like Victor Meldrew,
you know you are in trouble. When you hear things like ‘No trophy for 4 years’ or ‘Taxi for
Eboue, Denilson and Song’ you know that your loved one may think they are able to call the
shots at Arsenal, but sadly they don’t.
3. Wanting to be the Worlds No 1 team. If you beat Manchester United 2-1 in one fixture, then losing to Chelsea in the next is totally unacceptable. They will not accept anything other than being the best team in the world, despite not having the resources or the history to suggest that they can be.
4. Hours spent on blog sites. If your loved one gets so worked up by an Arsenal loss that they start writing hate on arsenal sites, pilloring the board, the manager and the players then you know that they have been struck down big time. Anonymity is a must for any budding GKB member, as they would never dare to say any of these things directly to any Arsenal personnel.
5. Everything negative is down to Arsene. You’ll be lead to belive that the success of the team in the last 12 years is actually down to the progression of Arsenal football club and nothing to do with Arsene Wenger. He is in fact responsible for the rise of ticket prices and has made football inaccessible for ordinary fans. By my reckoning we have been in the european elite clubs for the last 12 years, and were never in contention before then. But most GKBs will tell you that we were actually competitive against the top teams in europe with the likes of GG. In their eyes he is just another manager.
So there you have it, if your loved one has any of the above symptoms be very careful… they can be quite dangerous if you breach the subject with them… you wouldn’t want to be called ‘deluded’ would you ?
By: Muppet on June 13, 2009
at 9:43 pm
“If in doubt (or lack any counter argument) keep the faith eh Passenal?”
There is plenty of counter argument, which has already been made by Ole Gunner today and others before him. But facts seem to be lost on people like you who have already made up their minds and refuse to budge in the face of them, so the only thing we have left is that time will tell. Since you can’t be persuaded otherwise, let’s wait and see. You have faith in your opinion, I have faith in mine, so we’ll see soon enough who is right.
By: Passenal on June 13, 2009
at 9:44 pm
i agree spike, younger players learn better with an established player whos been there and done it, forgive the phrase..
at the moment they are learning from their mistakes and it isnt doing the team any good..
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 9:44 pm
We should sign Nicky Butt now the Toon have been relegated….
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 9:44 pm
Surely its unfair to compare Denilson with the likes of xavi and Ya Ya when they have been about for a bit and learned the trade. Surely its more appropiate to compare Denilson to say Busquets or Drenthe.
By: DukeGoonem on June 13, 2009
at 9:45 pm
Just one other thought. We had Yaya Toure on trial and when he would not of cost that much. If Wenger had rated him, why not take him? Even if it was to sell on at a profit at a later stage.
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 9:47 pm
muppet;
Did you copy and paste that from somewhere? Just asking coz of the way it looks…
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 9:47 pm
DukeG;
How about comparing Denilson with Anderson?
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 9:48 pm
Marc;
Work permit restrictions meant we couldnt sign Yaya apparantly…
FFS! Another one slips thru Wengers fingers again….!!!
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 9:49 pm
Good one Spike,
Anderson is Shiiite. Has he scored yet???? has he assisted yet??? has he done anyfukin thing yet??
By: DukeGoonem on June 13, 2009
at 9:51 pm
Spike – So it was the bloody governments fault.
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 9:53 pm
Spike,
I’ve seen Senna play for Villareal this season like 10-11 times and he’s as influential for them as Fabregas is for us. I swear.
And he’s still hungry because previous to winning the Euros with Spain he’d won nothing in football.
Can he do it week in-week out for us in the Premier League? I don’t know. I’m not sure. But he won’t be the only player we have there.
Passenal,
I like Yaya Toure. I think he’d be good for Arsenal. If we can get him, it’d be fine. If Denilson has one more season like the present, everyone will recognise his quality. It’s inevitable.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 9:54 pm
Anyway, I think the biggest problem was losing Hleb rather than Flamini so Denilson is by no means the lone villainn in our midfield going from one of the most lauded in Europe to one which is barely rose above the mediocre this season.
Nasri wasn’t quite bringing enough to the party on the left flank and Wenger’s decision to put him in the centre and make use of his combative abilities says as much, IMO.
By: Paulinho on June 13, 2009
at 9:55 pm
I do not understand all this talk about DM. Wenger has stated our problems of last season were in defense, that is where he will add players.
I cannot see him buying any midfield players as we already have plenty + Song and Denilson will be better after their baptism of fire last season.
By: Steve on June 13, 2009
at 9:56 pm
DukeGoonem – I think your being a little unfair on Anderson. After all he only cost a token £15 million and he is very young. What do you expect form players?
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 9:56 pm
Nasri did quite well for his first Premier League season. He’s a player I expect so much about because he has fantastic ability. He should shoot more. Sometime around January he stopped shooting and I don’t know why.
But he did quite well for a first season, even getting 6 goals. We’ll see the best of him next season.
I’m not big on the idea of him in holding midfield though he’s a tenacious tackler.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 10:05 pm
Paulinho – I’d just like to try the negative standpoint.
Fucking Hleb useless! As an attacking midfielder how many goals did he score for us? Assists piss poor as well. Admittedly he did come top of the tables for the pass before an assist but a fucking half wit could do that in our midfield. Wenger’s fucking useless. We should get Benitez as manager. I don’t won’t to be entertained, I’ve worked hard all week, I want to be sent into a nice relaxing comatose state on a Saturday afternoon.
Nah don’t like it. I much prefer to live in the real world and watch entertaining football for a team I love that will still be here long after I’m dead.
And the W.H.O. is worried about the spread of Swine Flu.
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 10:07 pm
Ole Gunner – If we were to go for a Barca like formation Cesc and Nasri alongside a DM would do a fantastic job. Both excellent creatively, going forward and willing to track back and tackle.
Why do we put up with these signings by Wenger?
By: Marc on June 13, 2009
at 10:09 pm
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By: Gunner4Ever on June 13, 2009
at 10:11 pm
Marc,
Wenger should get back into town. The big boys are spending. What is Wenger doing? Are we going to fall further behind this season.
Wenger OUT!! SACK the BOARD!!
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 10:12 pm
Marc I think you may be right about us playing a Barca style midfield next season.
Cesc, Nasri, Song/Denilson being the main 3 and then 3 up front.
By: Steve on June 13, 2009
at 10:15 pm
DukeG;
Yep, Anderson has hardly set the Prem alight has he? And he cost about £15mill! Never saw him do much when we played Porto a couple of seasons back.
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 10:15 pm
Anderson has something like 0 goals 1 assist since he’s been at Man poo.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 10:18 pm
Although the prospect of seizing Xabi Alonso from Liverpool may be receding because of Gareth Barry’s move to Manchester City, Arsenal’s Gael Clichy is among the principal candidates to fill Real’s left-back position, problematic since the departure of Roberto Carlos in 2007.
Arsenal are unlikely to resist a £12m bid given the progress last season of Kieran Gibbs and Clichy’s injury record.
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Love the line about us not being able to resist a bid of £12mill! Shit! If Glen Johnson is valued at £16m, why the fook would we gladly accept £4m less???
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 10:19 pm
Glen Johnson is being quoted at 18-20 million. Now that is fucking daft money for a 2nd rate player.
By: Steve on June 13, 2009
at 10:22 pm
…being sought by second-rate clubs.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 10:23 pm
Having said that some idiots would think he was better than Sagna because he was a higher price.
By: Steve on June 13, 2009
at 10:24 pm
Who’s this Matuidi?
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 10:26 pm
Spike, it’s amazing how the media can put 2 + 2 together and make 6. People have really short memories if the absence of Clichy towards the end of last season has made them forget what a quality left-back he is. Gibbs did a really good job considering, but he is not ready to be our full time left back yet. People can’t cry about lack of experience in one breath and then want to offload our experienced players for rubbish fees like that in the next!
By: Passenal on June 13, 2009
at 10:27 pm
As an English right back Glen Johnson is OK. Just shows what we have as English RBs
By: Steve on June 13, 2009
at 10:27 pm
clichy has to be seen as one of the best left backs in the world…in the PL team of the season 2008 proves this…if real are spending silly money for kaka and ronaldo and villa then 12mil wouldnt even buy one of clichys legs
25-30 mil should be the minimum we ask for…easily
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 10:27 pm
Glen Johnson is really benefitting from the fact there’s no competition for England’s RB position, since Micah Richards startin actin like Peter Stringfellow…
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 10:27 pm
sssssshhhh steve…let them pay it…
more players for us to chose from once theyve used most of their kitty paying 20mil for johnson…
hes a good player but not that much..no way…
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 10:29 pm
Very true Passenal but some fans are just media informed fools.
By: Steve on June 13, 2009
at 10:30 pm
That quote was from the Daily mail… Its funny coz they are goin on like the premier league is now sub-standard coz of CRonnie’s departure. When about 2 weeks ago, we were being told the league was the most amazin, dominant marketing machine in the known universe…
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 10:30 pm
i see richards as a definate wenger type target…
hes lost his way abit at his club, not seen as first choice and needs a new challenge….abit like henry and vieira…not flops but players who need a world class manager who knows how to nuture them…
does anyone think under wenger richards could reach the standards his potential suggested????
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 10:31 pm
If we sell clichy because Gibbs played well, who will come in if Gibbs gets injured?
By: Paul N on June 13, 2009
at 10:32 pm
Jonjon;
Ive thought that for a while, usually get shouted down tho! He’s still young enough to come good and his value has gone down significantly, which would appeal. He can also play RB, CB and possibly CM and he’s a Gooner!
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 10:33 pm
Paul N, Tom Cruise will have to fill that void if we sold Clichy.
By: Steve on June 13, 2009
at 10:34 pm
Gibbs has done fantastically well, no doubt, but he is too young to be 1st choice IMO. Clichy has never made noises about wanting to leave, quite the contrary really. Always seems to say the right things too.
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 10:35 pm
paul…ive heard a little rumour that the lad from ajax will be used as a left back if clichy leaves..
i cant see wenger selling clichy..but if the right offer came in it would be wengerish to let him leave…especially its true that clichys back is a tad brittle…
i know it sounds ludricris to suggest clichy is past his best at such a young age…but a 20+mil bid for a player with back problems isnt bad business…
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 10:36 pm
Spike the trouble is he is also English and not trained under a sensible managment.
A bit like many English players his ego may be to big to contain.
By: Steve on June 13, 2009
at 10:36 pm
JonJon do you not think his back problems may show up in a medical therefore lowering his value.
By: Steve on June 13, 2009
at 10:38 pm
spike..
thats what i think also re richards…the fact he’s a gooner will give him the boost he needs to get his game back…and who doesnt want to play for wenger…
no disprespect to hughes…but i think its safe to say wenger is a bit better at keeping his players in check
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 10:40 pm
I know that vermaellen has played LB, but then again, so has Silvestre! Really cant see Wenger selling Clichy, if Wenger declines any offer, then Real will go for United’s Evra! makin em even weaker still…. Another reason to keep Gael then!
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 10:41 pm
JonJon,
Yep i’d like to see us sign Richards.
By: DukeGoonem on June 13, 2009
at 10:42 pm
Wenger would get him back on the straight and narrow.
By: DukeGoonem on June 13, 2009
at 10:42 pm
Can’t we buy a player and put it down on some MP’s expenses.
By: Steve on June 13, 2009
at 10:43 pm
We talked a bit about Richards a few days ago. Whether he fulfills his potential is completely down to him. It’s almost impossible for someone who doesn’t know him well to say whether he has the necessary character.
By: Poliziano on June 13, 2009
at 10:43 pm
thats a good call paul…
but back problems come and go..you never know do you…these clubs with all this money arent as shrewd as wenger….
the just pay whatever, throw it about like its endless…if clichys fit at the point of medical it wouldnt matter…
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 10:43 pm
sorry paul i meant steve…
sorry steve
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 10:44 pm
Real Madrid apparently think they will sell 5 million shirts by Christmas.
Just as a backgrounder, no club sells its shirts worldwide. They are sold by the kit manufacturer. Adidas in the case or RM. The club only get something like 10% of each sale. Which makes sense since the
That’s to be separated from sales at the clubs’ own retail outlets which I am not sure but I think they get most of the money for but only make small profits. Few shirts are sold at these retail outlets. Certainly not 1 million. (They’d be lucky to have 1 million people walk into their stores in 6 months).
So, obviously RM means it will sell 1 million shirts worldwide. Meaning? Real Madrid will make maybe £5 Million if this fantastical projection is true.,…
Barcelona’s Commercial Director (who’d know about this kind of thing) says RM would have to sell 30 Million to recoup the Kaka-Ronaldo money.
1 million shirts in 6 months would be a lot (since Chelsea only sold less than 400k shirts world wide in 2007) but it would be a very poor number of shirts to sell if their fantastic duo (or trio) will be the fat golden geeze Perez says.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 10:46 pm
I’d hate to see Clichy leave. He’s always seemed completely devoted to Arsenal, and he has so often been an outstanding player for us.
By: Poliziano on June 13, 2009
at 10:46 pm
“Chelsea..sold less than 400k shirts world wide in 2007.”
And 350,000 of them were bought by Abramovich.
By: Poliziano on June 13, 2009
at 10:48 pm
Right, so its simple then;
Sell Clichy for £22mill
Sell Ade for £25mill
Sell Cesc for £40m
Sell RvP for £25m
Sell Diaby for £8m
Sell Senderos for £6m
Sell Kolo for £12m
Sell Gallas for £5m
Sell Sagna for £15m
Thats £87500 trillion or something like that, we go sign Titus bramble, Nicky Butt, Stern John, Joey Barton, Charles Charley Charles and Frank Spencer
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 10:50 pm
Pz,
And I’d believe it too. LOL.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 10:51 pm
id hate to see clichy leave too…id say it would be silly to sell him now but if it happened id like to see more of gibbs…
id like to see clichy and gibbs in the same team…but i dont think wenger shares that view
ole…
dont see how real can make the money back from shirt sales…
yes they will sell alot of shirts in the first year and the money will roll in…but what about wages?????
ronaldos wages will go up 25% each season…to the point where he will be on 500k A WEEK…
it would be logical to say real wont sell as many shirts in the second and third years of ronaldos career there so how will shirt sales pay for ronaldo???
they will make alot of money, but is it enough to pay his wages too???
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 10:53 pm
spike..
id only like to see diaby and ade sold…
and then use the money to bring in defence minded players, who just love to defend…
frank spencer would be my no. 1 choice though… him and bobby moore
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 10:55 pm
It’s funny, but I’ve never seen anyone wearing an RM shirt until today and it was clearly a shirt that had seen better days as it was well worn! I’ve seen a few people wearing Barca shirts so wherever RM are selling these shirts, it’s doesn’t seem to be in the UK
By: Passenal on June 13, 2009
at 10:57 pm
What’s going to make everybody suddenly go and buy RM shirts? And not Messi, Eto’o, Henry, Xavi and Iniesta shirts?
Ok ok, I know it’s not only about football shirts.
RM negotiate their own TV deals so they can ask for more money if they have a team of galacticos. They can push more aggressively for the players’ image rights and take a cut from it. In other words they push Ronaldo’s face unto more tubes of hair gel, and get a cut of the loot. That kind of thing. In which case, Paris Hilton will really help. They could have special Ronaldo Paris KY Jelly or something.
They can have exhibition matches in the Sahara like the Harlem Globetrotters.
Maybe they have some amazing revolutionary new ideas that nobody has done in show business/sports business.
Whatever they do it’s going to be hard to get their £250-£400M in costs (on transfers+salaries) back.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 11:03 pm
According to that bastain of journalistic integrity, the News of the World, liverpool are preparing a £5m bid for Micah!
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 11:13 pm
Wondered how long it’d be before you got onto Hleb Paulinho!
By: Queen of Suburbia on June 13, 2009
at 11:15 pm
for 5mil id like to see micah at arsenal
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 11:16 pm
His value has come down some innit! He was valued at £20m 2 seasons ago… £5m is well worth a punt!
More shite from the Mail;
The Dutch striker has been reluctant to commit to a new deal before seeing Arsenal strengthen the team but though Wenger is likely to sell Gael Clichy and Emmanuel Adebayor this summer to provide funds, further significant signing are expected, with another defender in addition to Vermaelen already being lined up.
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 11:17 pm
Here’s how bad the media said it would be for us in 2005: http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/specials/article771187.ece
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 11:19 pm
Spike,
You’re doing a good job. I never read those sites so its useful to know what they write without me actually having to click on their websites and keep their disgraceful operations going. Thanks, Mate.
By: Ole Gunner on June 13, 2009
at 11:21 pm
If there’s a young English defender worth getting at man shitty then its Nedum Onuoha…I’d prefer we’re sold a virus than Micah
By: Mandanda on June 13, 2009
at 11:22 pm
5 mil for richards or 18-20 mil for glen johnson. One can play LB, CB the other LB. Both supposed liverpoo targets.
By: Steve on June 13, 2009
at 11:23 pm
the media are a pain in the arse(nal)
whatever they think sells they will write…it doesnt matter if its true or not…
the only thing i’ll say though is that its the same for all clubs…they all suffer the same fate especially transfer time..
i tend not to look too much into it…alot of articles have substance but it depends on who wrote it…
fergie has it all worked out…you write shit i wont talk to you…wenger should do the same…
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 11:25 pm
I agree with Mandanda.
By: Steve on June 13, 2009
at 11:25 pm
Ole;
Im only surprised that piece wasnt written by Mihir Bose fella!
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 11:27 pm
Ole; No probs. I see it as trying to find out what the enemy are up to really.
Mandana, Onuha has come on hugely for City, thats why Micah aint getting a game now. No way they would sell him now. But it does show how a young player can come good given time.
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 11:29 pm
does anyone think that wenger wont look to secure any players until his own players are sorted 1st…walctt fabianski and now robin…once robins sorted i think we’ll see new faces…
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 11:31 pm
Mihir Bose is a spud wanker and should be shot. Preferably in the semi-circle at Ashburton before a derby between us and spuds.
By: Steve on June 13, 2009
at 11:33 pm
Well, if we believe the hacks, RVP wanted assurances there would be new signings before he’d commit…. Sooooo, maybe!
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 11:33 pm
“Well, if we believe the hacks, ” not a very comment there spike.
By: Steve on June 13, 2009
at 11:36 pm
add a clever there
By: Steve on June 13, 2009
at 11:37 pm
I was kinda bein sarcastic there Steve, but its difficult to add a sarcastic tone just by typin!
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 11:44 pm
Can anyone tell me what a bastain is?
By: 1number10 on June 13, 2009
at 11:46 pm
Sorry Spike, no offence meant.
By: Steve on June 13, 2009
at 11:48 pm
A stain on your ba.
By: Steve on June 13, 2009
at 11:50 pm
I’ll just get my coat.
By: Steve on June 13, 2009
at 11:50 pm
lol
By: JonJon on June 13, 2009
at 11:51 pm
Steve; None taken mate. I liked the Mihir Bise execution!
Did I type bastain, instead of bastian there Well whattaya know… slap my thighs with a damp copy of the Racing Post….
By: Spike on June 13, 2009
at 11:57 pm
Spike,
sarcasm is very hard to accomplish on this blog.
By: DukeGoonem on June 14, 2009
at 12:21 am
Looks like I should book mark this page and not just type in aclf, as I am not in need of; The Association of Christian Law Firms
DukeG; You being sarcastic there????
By: Spike on June 14, 2009
at 12:27 am
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=643825&sec=uefachampionsleague&campaign=rss&source=soccernet&&&cc=4716
wow now thats passion !
By: ARSLAN on June 14, 2009
at 1:10 am
ARSLAN, ffs get a grip. That is not news.
By: Steve on June 14, 2009
at 1:58 am
this was the reaction of sepp blatter
http://manutd1.wordpress.com/2009/06/13/blatter-buoyed-by-ronaldo-fee-espnstar-com/
By: vijay on June 14, 2009
at 6:28 am
[...] But What About The Children? Michel Platini and Sepp Blatter have long espoused the view that youngsters moving to another country to serve their [...] [...]
By: Top Posts « WordPress.com on June 15, 2009
at 1:21 am
just checking sumthing
Who’s your Favourite?(survey software)
By: Cartmaninho on June 19, 2009
at 7:32 am