Posted by: Yogi's Warrior | May 27, 2009

Theo, Youths and The Usual Transfer Suspects

Congratulations to the Youth’s on their victory at Anfield, fitting that Steve Bould should once more win silverware at Anfield. The hard work that has been put in not just this season but in those previously, in building an Academy that can produce players to go on to the first team is paying dividends. It is a good sign for the club that the team has won, the taste of success will hopefully make those players hungry for more as they progress through the ranks.

In itself, winning the FA Youth Cup is but one marker for the Academy. More telling in the value of the work will be those that make the grade at the club. At the moment, all that can be said is that there appears to be more potential for this current batch of youngsters to achieve that aim than perhaps there has been in the past. Crucially for the players, they know that if they fail to do so at Arsenal, there is a better than average chance of it happening in the game as a whole. If you look around the divisions, the number of players at other clubs who started their careers at Arsenal but were released by Arsenal seems to be higher than normal. When Wenger is castigated in the media for a lack of English players in his first XI, those elsewhere seem to be conveniently overlooked. That none of them are setting the world of fire is not his fault. David Bentley is a prime example of having unfulfilled talent. Despite no shortage of publicly stated belief in himself, he seems likely to be offloaded by Spurs this window.

The English game is not helping itself. Theo Walcott is one of the brightest young talents around yet the national team is intent on burning him out before he reaches 21 summers old. It is frankly ludicrous that he is picked for the full and Under-21 England squads, requiring him to play potentially until a week before Arsenal resume pre-season training. Every time that there is an international schedule, the usual concerns arise about player fitness and how the football calendar does little to assist the clubs and for that matter, the national teams.

This time though, the situation is simply too stupid for words. Well, not quite but seemingly intelligent men are making crass decisions. There is no logic and personally I believe the Football Association has to take action. There has to be an intervention on their part and Stuart Pearce told that he cannot have Walcott. Failing that, the player should realise that rest is required before next season. I do not hold out any hope of commonsense prevailing. It never does in football.

Walcott though turned his attention to what is required in order to challenge for the title next season:

Man United only won one game out of their matches against the top four, so it just shows how important every game is in the Premier League. The so-called littler clubs, away and at home, they are the points you have to make up. We have to do the dirty work, like we have learned from this year, and take that into next season.

That has always been the crucial aspect but it overlooks one important thing. United win their home games. For the past two seasons, their record at Old Trafford has been outstanding. This season, they dropped seven points, last season even less. By comparison, Arsenal do not stand very well and this needs to be rectified. To highlight that, United only picked up six more points on the road than Arsenal meaning that they collected twelve more at home. This has to be addressed as much as turning defeats on travels into draws and draws into victories. It is not often that a team wins the title in equal measure at home and away. Most of the time it is achieved through being outstanding in one or the other.

Elsewhere, Adebayor is staying and believes that Wenger and Cesc are as well whilst Robert Pires thinks it would be a mistake to let him go. Brede Hangeland is the subject of all speculation emanating from these shores about whom Arsene is going, sorry not going, to sign. Oh, what the hell. Nobody knows and since it is not going to happen immediately, should we be bothered? Anyway, the player got a rave review from Roy Hodgson over the weekend. Whilst Hangeland reckons he is not leaving Fulham, his manager thinks they won’t be able to stop him. Confused? You will be.

’til Tomorrow.


Responses

  1. Nice blogg

    Dont think there is any point talking about potential signings, if a player comes then we talk about them. How many hours people waste speculating… just pointless. 200 names could be mentioned this summer, all them being analysed, put into formations, see how they fit in with our other players!!! then come end of the summer, we have signed 1 player!!!

  2. Aw is very shrewd when it comes to signing players, and … gasp … he might have his own ideas.

    Come on Barca!!!!

  3. Pires says Henry will probably dedicate a winning goal to us tonight, I just hope he lifts the trophy. He deserves to have a champs league medal.

  4. Massive congratulations to the Youth Cup squad, well done Gunners we are so proud of you.

    It was so great to see them lift the trophy yesterday. If they hadn’t scheduled the match for a bleedin’ weekday, I would’ve travelled up there myself. Anfield looked empty compared to the first leg at the Grove, but the travelling Gooners made sure they were heard, and the “respect to the ninety six” flag was a nice touch of dignity to keep things in perspective.

    I’m starting to worry that i’m enjoying watching them play more than the first team! Their defending is superb, always defending as a team and getting on the end of every header that comes their way. When they go forward there’s always so much options, every player in the team can contribute something creative. Winning this cup will get that winning spirit into their blood, but they’ve won it so easily that they’re going to need some fresh new challenges quickly. Next season I expect to see a lot of Wilshere, Coquelin, JET, Lansbury and Watt in the Carling Cup. Eastmond, Bartley, Ayling and Cruise need to bolster their size and strength, play more in the reserves and perhaps go out on loans.

    I know Wenger must be just as excited about them as we are. One thing which defines them is that they’re not just a randomly essembled group of strangers who just happen to be good at football, they are a unit and most have grown up playing in teams together. I’d rather see them carrying on making progress like that, rather than being broken up selectively player-by-player. In that case then, it should be very interesting to see how Wenger will gradually blend them in to the first team.

  5. Frankly, some pressure needs to be applied to Walcott to stop being quite so equivocal about playing for the under 21’s and England first team. He has just had a season where he spent almost half of it out injured. At the end of this, and despite the fact that he has made little discernible progress in the 3 1/2 years he’s been at the club, he was rewarded with a new contract. HTo my mind he ought to realise where his bread is buttered and tell Pearce that he is unavailable. What is he going to learn from playing in the U-21’s?

  6. “Walcott…has made little discernible progress in the 3 1/2 years he’s been at the club.”

    That just shows how discerning you are, clockendgooner.

  7. Quite agree PZ – what a crazy thing to say.
    I loved every second of the match last night. To cap it all I switched ATV at half time and watched the last 15 minutes of the match 20 years ago – still raises the hairs on the neck.

  8. clockendgooner

    I agree mate with your argument that he should tell Pearce to shove it, but to say he has made little progress is going a bit far.

    His experiences with the National squad have given him that extra belief and confidence for when he plays with us. He is the brightest English talent making it through right now at club level and national level. His game has stepped up considerably in the last year or so. Champs League chip against Villareal highlights what he can do. His dribble from the half way line versus Liverpool last season also…

    I do believe though if they continue to abuse his talent like Pearce is trying to, he will end up like Owen. I just cannot understand how a player has been constantly picked for the National Senior squad and yet is still called to the U21.. its remarkably unbelievable and to be honest is a piss take to the player and our club.

    Theo might not want to stand up against it, he loves playing football… but someone needs to look out for the boy… Wenger will be the one to give them an a good speaking to im sure.

  9. Bit harsh clockendgooner especially since Theo is not a winger but a centre forward.

    I agree that he should tell Pearce to f*** off though.

  10. Clockendgooner you silly billy

  11. The revelation in the youth set up is Sanchez Watt. He has pace and power and can score goals. His ability to score important goals contributed to their success in both the Youth league and the FA cup.

    Watt has been playing almost unnoticed to most fans but has emerged as one of the future prospects.

    Walcott should watch his back for Sanches Watt and Denilson should fear Coquelin.

    Coquelin has all the attributes to be the real DM that we lack.

  12. 4TT

    You are inviting Evra to make another “Men against boys” shot at Arsenal.

  13. If Theo is playing he will be facing Finland, Germany and Spain. The group games will on 15th, 18th and 22nd June, although I am not sure of the order.

    Although ill-advised from an Arsenal perspective, I think that the national side is really important to Theo and he sees progress with the U21s as a route into the full squad.

    Good luck to him whatever he chooses to do. If he plays I will be supporting him all the way.

  14. Coquelin is superior to denilson in almost every way except dress sense

  15. The media are a major impediment to sense in football. It was easy to castigate Arsenal for not having English players.

    The real problem is that the academies of the Top 4 have gone through a very unproductive period in which they have not developed top class talent.

    Who’s the last top class player to come out of Man Poo’s academy? Or Liverpool’s? The Chavs have never had a productive youth system anyway.

    This was the real problem. But by picking on Arsenal they obscured the issue and did not help English football in anyway, and can have argued to have hurt by not shining light on the real problem.

    The football media are a disgrace. Not exactly stop press you’d say but it really is amazing how poor they are.

  16. Henri Lansbury as a right back is my prediction for the player after Jack Wilshere to break through into the first team. In fact I have a sneaking suspicion that he will make it before Jack as a right-sided version of Kieran Gibbs.

  17. I agree with OG.

  18. No sooner does one freak leave than another one returns. Welcome back, Happy Gooner!

  19. Frank

    TW does not need the U21’s. Capello picks him automatically for the national squad and has in the past, rated Walcott as the English player of the future. Why risk him in a tournament when he knows what the player is capable of? Capello is Pearce’s boss and should be taking him to one side to point out the risks of picking him. Either that or not include him in the full squad for two relatively straightforward WCQ’s.

    YW

  20. Perhaps you should write to AW and tell him you have spotted a new player called Coquelin, HG.

  21. I don’t agree with Theo playing in the U21s, YW. I was simply explaining the views that Theo has put forward.

  22. I’m sure the experts on Le Grove had been keeping track of Coquelin for some time before last summer.

  23. Coquelin will continue to be a fans’ favourite, so long as he keeps out of the first team. If he does progress to the first team, it will only take one season of him being the best tackler in the league for the fans to get on his back, and refer to him as Francis “read my stats” Coquelin.

  24. Frank

    I disagree with you on Lansbury. Lansbury’s passing needs a lot of improvement. Watching lansbury in both legs against Pool and also the Spurs he seemed to miss too many goal scoring opportunities.

    Lansbury seems a natural CM than RM. He will need to work on his long range passing and crossing.

    I see Watt performing better than him and squeezing into the first team like Gibbs, unnoticed.

    Watt has pace and power going forward. He can tackle and holds the ball very well. The main thing going for him is, he scores goals with both left and right feet.

    Lansbury’s goal scoring ability is thin and he misses too many chances. He also don’t have the pace and power Watt has.

  25. Wenger will never tolerate players trying to sneak into the first team.

  26. Poliziano,

    Very good point. Not being Flamini, or an experienced international they will say he’s not the answer.

    And no amount of pointing them to clear evidence will convince them. They’ll insist they trust their lying eyes.

    He’ll become nicknamed the crab, and slated for not making more through passes than Cesc.

    Talking of Cesc, if this had been his first season in the team he’d have been slated as well.

    That’s the kind of madness that has taken deep root at the Arsenal.

  27. I don’t agree with you at all, 4TT. Henri’s pace, positioning and passing ability remind me very much of Kieran Gibbs. He has already played at right back and, arguably, there is a gap there if Bacary Sagna gets injured and Eboue is off the the ACN.

    Which of Adebayor, Van Persie, Bendtner, Vela, Eduardo, Arshavin, Walcott, Simpson do you see Sanchez Watt getting ahead of next season?

  28. Frank, Lansbury as a right-back seems like a bizarre option but you just might have a point. His natural position is as a central midfielder, playing box-to-box or behind the strikers like Gerrard. He’s not a defensive player nor is he a winger, but it seems he’s been put on the right side of midfield to make him more versatile to the demands of the modern game. I don’t see him as a right-back in the long-term, but maybe some time playing there would help his overall game. Gibbs has played in the center of midfield for England U20’s, and his natural position was traditionally on the left wing, so who knows. Aaron Ramsey seems like the one player Lansbury will have to face as a main competitor for places, they’re both quite similar players but Ramsey is more experienced in playing out of his comfort zone either on the wing or at right-back as well.

  29. Frank

    Lansbury at RB, very likely seeing what he’s done for Gibbs. Like Gibbs, his exposure playing at RM will definitely help at RB.

    Remember, AW has played him at RB before in the CC as a sub.

    I wish AW will try Watt at RM to exploit his pace, power and goal scoring abilities.

    Do you recall Theo’s 6 misses against Chelsea in the 4-1 defeat? Watt would have scored 4 of them. He’s that good, scoring.

  30. Unfortunately, I do have the feeling that Randall and Lansbury won’t make it at the Arsenal. Each one of them basically has one year, the next season to make the breakthrough.

    I really hope they make the grade. They’re truly Arsenal kids who’ve been here since age 10/11.

  31. “Do you recall Theo’s 6 misses against Chelsea in the 4-1 defeat? Watt would have scored 4 of them. He’s that good, scoring.”

    Ha ha.

  32. Last pre-season Henri played on the wing and at right back for the first team. His illness held him back. Just watch what happens this pre-season. I have a hunch, which makes me walk funny, but I also have a notion about Henri Lansbury.

  33. Do you think any Top 4 side would pay £11 Million for Sanchez Watt….good young player. But he’s no Theo Walcott.

  34. Poliziano

    Are you making fun of me? Have you been following the youth anyway?

    Watt will surprise you in a year or two.

  35. 4th the target,
    I have a job for you. Draw up a table with all our players across the top, and every goal chance down the side. (Just give the match, the time of the chance, and the player to whom the chance fell.) Then fill in the body of the table with ticks and crosses to show which players would have scored which chances.

  36. I am not expressing a preference I hope they all make it and Sanchez Watt like the others has time on his side. The next step up for them to the top level is massive.

  37. Randell is much better then Hopkirk (deceased)

  38. Ole gunner

    You or poliziano are not getting me. What I’m saying is simple. Watt is a real prospects and currently he’s what it takes to make it. He’ll need to go on loan and prove himself though.

    His goal scoring abilities is top class at youth level. He delivers goals when least expected.

  39. Jeff Randall is the character to whom you refer not Mark Randall, Pratt…………is the name of the actor who played him.

  40. Thierry – score the goal you missed in Paris and add another for good measure. You deserve a CL medal.

    And come back and finish your career with us a la Begkamp. We still love you!

  41. 4th the target ,
    A couple of years ago, Walcott and Denilson were attracting attention as young players with great potential – “real prospects,” as you say. They have now gone a long way towards fulfilling that potential, but instead of receiving praise from you, they receive blame.

  42. Hugh McAuleys comments after the game last night were excellent. Magnanimous. It was great to see him a Steve Bould chatting during the game.

  43. Theo is just being the nice guy he is by agreeing to play for the U21s. Pearce should think about what is best for England, not just what is best for the U21s.

  44. Pusher – still reacting to others? Still no original thought?

  45. 4th the target,
    Do you think Denilson and Walcott, having stood out at youth level and in the reserves, and hence having been selected for the first team, would now, with all the progress they have made in the last season or two, by some magic no longer be good enough for the teams they have left behind?

  46. So the P stands for pusher. What do the D and the T stand for?

  47. Actually, I think I can guess what the T stands for.

  48. Theo missed 4-5 months of the 08/09 season due to injury so it is not surprising that he wants to play games. The England team are only playing Andorra and Kazackstan and he will not miss the pre-season as a result of playing in the U21s. ‘Burn out’ is certainly not a risk. I would think that AW is concerned about the risk of injury. On the other hand if he comes back injury free he will be a couple of steps ahead fitness wise for the pre-season.

  49. I absolutely do not want Thierry Henry to win a CL medal with Barcelona. His chance to win the CL was against Barcelona and he fluffed it.

  50. Poliziano,

    In 4th The Target’s world, critical thinking is optional. Again, you’re right. This guy is ridiculous enough to think though Denilson came through the reserves, he’s somehow not at the level of the reserves. 4TT rates his own irrational biases over the judgement of 10-15 pros who along with Wenger assess the abilities and progress of these players.

    But we haven’t won a trophy in 4 years so voices like these are allowed in the chorus.

  51. Before we all go over board about the youth cup team we should remember that they have also been forming the majority of the reserve side which has been mediochre at best this season. Most have to successfully make the jump from youth to reserve football before they can hope to be considered for 1st team football

  52. 4TH The Target is a troll!!! just ignore him people… he thrives on creating conflicts.

  53. He’s got no hair, we don’t care, Stevey Stevey Bould.

    The youth team are awesome, I agree that Watt is very exciting his pace and power are tremendous. However, I think Thomas, Coquelin, and maybe Frimpong are the ones to look out for. And of course super Jack.

    COME ON THE GUNNERS

  54. the thing with walcott is although he has exceptional potential…. he hasnt really developed as many expected….

    we bought him at 16 when he was a striker with immense talent….the money we paid….around 12 million…would suggest wonkerkid status but that has not been realised yet…

    he has been with us four years and he his progressing…but at a very slow rate…he stills runs into blind allies…has an average first touch and fails to pick out a killer pass or cross….

    which is quite dissapointing….

    reasons for this could be because wenger choses to protect him from the nasty defenders by sticking him out on the wing…but theo isnt a winger….we didnt buy a winger when we bought him….

    to realise his full potential he needs to play up top….only then can he be judged as a success or failure…

  55. Do you recall Theo’s 6 misses against Chelsea in the 4-1 defeat? Watt would have scored 4 of them. He’s that good, scoring.

    Ridiculous. I’ve got a lot of time for Sanchez Watt, but let’s get some perspective. Have you ever seen him score against a senior Chelsea team in the premier league? Have you ever seen him score a hat-trick for England against Croatia? Watt IS good at scoring, but you’ve only seen him score against U-18’s and reserve players, which is obviously a lot easier than playing in the premier league.

    Also Poliziano makes a very good point. 4 years ago, we finished 4th in the premier league with the likes of Henry, Ljungberg, Hleb, Gilberto and Reyes. Walcott and Denilson had just come to us as promising players who everyone was talking about. 4 years later, they have now arrived as regular starters in the team, finished 4th in the league and are considered not good enough.

  56. Everyone needs to really not get caught up in the hype of the youth players potential. Look to Ramsey and Wilshire, they have probably made at most 5-10 appearances this season, and barely any starts. Im for youth completely – if they are ready and good enough.

    I thought Ramsey would have been ready this season personally and thought he would have pushed on but it wasn’t to be. Wenger didnt chuck him into many games this season as he didnt feel he was ready, plus we aint been playing to our maximum for most parts this season so chucking youth players in while the team aint performing well aint going to go down well.

    Gibbs was seen as able to handle the pressures of top flight footy.. he shined and looks to be a real quality player. Other players like Hoyte couldnt hack it eventually… We just have to be patient, hopefully a few more are looked at by Le Boss and hopefully he sees a few which could be of use to the team/squad.

  57. The thing with Walcott is that he should play wherever AW asks him. There is no better manager in the world for bringing the best out in young players.

  58. Blackstock

    Well said, Theo is the brightest and probably the most talented English footballer around right now… his pace, dribbling, and technique is amazing. That pri** saying he still runs into blind alleys, cant cross etc… who have you been watching this season??? Walcott has single handedly been our main attacking outlet when he has played.

    Is it his fault nobody is ever in the box?? If we had a fit Eduardo, Walcotts assist tally would be alot bigger. Next season he may be pushed up top, but i can almost guranetee that Wenger will use him on the wing again.. He is by far better than anyone else in the Premiership as an out and out pacey winger.

  59. JohnN,

    They haven’t been mediocre as a reserves team. They were doing much better until Hoyte, Lansbury, Randall, Simpson, Barazite, Nortdveit among others went away on loan.

    They’re by far the youngest Reserves team. When they played the Spuds, the Spuds had the likes of Zokora and Bentley in the team. When they played Chelski, the Chavs had Malouda, Di Santo, Drogba, in the team.

    And they finished (11th?) but before players went out on loan in January, they were competing with Aston Villa for 1st place.

  60. he does play wherever wenger asks him and that has to be commended….

    but i dont think theo has ever hit double figures with us yet….

    if youve forked out 12 million on a 16yr old striker…you’d of expected a far greater return by now….

    to say hes now 20 and still not into double figures shows how slowly he is developing….

  61. Whilst I agree with the sentiment, CG, I don’t think that ‘Walcott has single handedly been our main attacking outlet when he has played’, has he?

  62. Before we all go over board about the youth cup team we should remember that they have also been forming the majority of the reserve side which has been mediochre at best this season. Most have to successfully make the jump from youth to reserve football before they can hope to be considered for 1st team football

    Exactly. In the reserves they’ve had to come up against much older, bigger and stronger players from the premier league, and it’s been a real lesson for them because they haven’t coped even half as well as they’ve performed in the U-18’s. The reserves have only won a game once in 2009. Their next challenge is to get up to speed with that level. I have absolute confidence that they can do it, but it will take time and patience. We don’t need to hype up a youth player while attempting to bring down a senior player at the same time for the sake of comparison, they are playing at completely different levels.

  63. JonJon,

    As you say Theo is 20 so why does it sound like you are writing him off. Not all players can be world-class at that age like Cesc.

    Thierry Henry barely got into double figures until he was 23 and he didn’t do too badly overall. Ian Wright was a plasterer until 23. These are our 2 highest ever scorers so please refrain from making comments that have no substance.

  64. oh dear oh dear oh dear

  65. Walcott’s progress has been outstanding. Watch him closely. Toughness and confidence growing. He is at the beginning of his career. His exposure at senior level this year will mean a lot in the coming season, and the next.

  66. I do not think the Reserves is a good indication of the youth’s potential. As far as I can see, with half the top youths either on the bench for the first team or away on loan, AW uses the reserves as a way of training and imparting experience for the kids.

    Unlike Spuds where they fielded as many of their 1st team regulars as they could do legally!!.

    The FA Youth Cup is more like for like though I would hazard a guess that even here, the average age of the Arsenal team is a notch below Liverpool et al.

  67. Exactly

  68. Sorry. Exactly, Zimpaul, and I agree with AICs comment too.

  69. Only 20 and already writing him off … such is the D&G way of the world.

  70. Actually the average age of the Arsenal players was greater than the average age of the Liverpool players last night.

  71. I actually believe playing for both the U-21 and the WC team will be good for Theo. The experience he gains will be invaluable and a big confidence booster if he does well.

    He has started to bulk up and I was impressed at his growing ability to hold off his opponent and retain the ball. The old Theo would have been brushed off with ease.

  72. One of the most interesting and rewarding jobs AW and his management team will do this off-season is decide which younger players, loanees, and reserves will begin to be seen as first-team material, and in what kind of longer term role.

  73. Actually the average age of the Arsenal players was greater than the average age of the Liverpool players last night.
    ========================

    Thanks Frank.

  74. AIC

    i aint writing him off

    hes got talent he just needs more time as he is developing slowly

  75. Frank

    Ok not so the 2nd half of the season, but if i remember rightly, the 1st 3 months when he was injury free he was absolutely amazing for us and England.

    JonJon

    Who was the last teenager that got into double figures and was a winger??? very idiotic comment.. hes coming along nicely

  76. AW worries a lot about tiredness and injuries. Theo is still a young lad and already so much pressure to perform at the top, top level. AW seems to take the view that there is ready formula, players mature in their own way, they need space to do that. It has proved successful.

  77. oops I mean ‘No ready formula’, as in no blueprint

  78. CG

    theos not a winger and he cost 12mil at 16 and hasnt reached double figures in 4 years…

    hows that an idiotic comment????

  79. JonJon

    You just expect too much too soon, just like many of the ‘fans’ of this club. The ’supporters’ of our club are willing to sit back and watch the youngsters turn into legends without slagging them off. Its the same as any fan talks about Denilson… you will say he is alrite, but not good enough. Lets get someone else in.

    Its a shame to have this attitude, because if we stick with these players and not moan at them, they will blossom quicker, and turn into better players than many of the so called big names that plastic fans beg and weap for.

  80. I have been very impressed by Theo, and I think he will be a winger. He has started to beat players with more guile, passing and not only speed. Evra was a great learning curve too, and it will all help his development. He’s also a nice lad.

  81. JonJon

    So you regret Arsene buying the most promising attacking English talent around. If you aint heard mate, thats the going rate for English nowadays… thats why we dont buy that many!! where have you been lately?

  82. ZimPaul

    I think Wenger is impressed also how hes adapted, hence why he has stayed there since arriving. Its a voide we have had since Freddie lost his pace and Theo is covering it with flying colours. He scares the hell out of defenders with his pace and runs behind.

  83. JonJon,

    The point is that he is developing and he has had some bad injuries. This is even more of a reason to not play in the U21s.

  84. nope CG

    dont regret signing theo…

    read back through my comments…stop making false judgements….

    theos an outstanding talent…just needs more time and he needs to play uptop… thats all

    my comment about him not reaching double figures yet was just to back up my point that he isnt developing as quickly as you would of thought of a 16yr old who cost 12 mil..

  85. I think that Theo is a winger. But in a way it is irrelevant because up front and in midfield AW appears to be opting for interchanging positions during the match as circumstamces and opportunities arise. So Theo will find himself in the middle and upfront during a match, as well as on either wing.

  86. i agree AIC

    he doesnt need to play in the U21’s

    hes just earned himself a new contract and capello is making great noises about him already and regards him first choice…he doenst need to play and he should tell pearce…NO..capello should tell pearce that it aint happening…

  87. Good stuff as usual, YW.

    I think the England plan will be for Theo to play through summer, get himself a nice lengthy injury when he comes back to us, so that he will be fresh enough for South Africa.

    Although he has made good progress, bulked up his physical strength, it is only his pace that distinguishes him. For me, Vela is the much better footballer & long term prospect.

    I think it will be at least a couple of seasons before any of this excellent youth team become anything like regulars. They were all very impressive but it is strange that of our previous FAYC winners very few made it. Pat Rice in 66? was no stand out player but it was only him & Sammy Nelson who made it with us & 4/5 years on.

    There does look like something extraordinary about these boys though, so it will be interesting.

    I really think that the top clubs are missing a trick by not setting up a properly competitive & regular reserve league for these boys to progress in. 33k proves there could be a market. The entertainment from the CC team & the youths has been wonderful.

  88. Theo is set for a fantastic season as a first team and England regular starter which at 20 years of age is impressive from a developmental perspective. All the more impressive as he was held back by serious injury to his shoulders and more latterly his knee. I would say that he and his management team have plotted exactly the right course for him.

  89. Frank

    Agree, 20 yrs old starter for England and Arsenal is very impressive. Dont know why people like JonJon have to come along and try and say he should be delivering more. He has impressed everyone so far and will continue to, we stick with him he will be 1 of the worlds best.

  90. I would say that Carlos Vela and Theo Walcott are neck and neck and if we can get them playing together we are quids in. Interestingly they were both born in March 1989.

    Also although I am no England fan, we do have to be careful about adopting double standards regarding international football. We tolerate players of other nationalities being away for all sorts of competitions. The competition which might have an impact upon pre-season is the U21 European Championship and Theo has a perfect right to play in that. The full England games are almost irrelevant becuase if he was not with the full England squad he would be at the U21 training camp.

  91. You put a figure of 20 goals for the season in the back of his mind, will just pile even more pressure to a 20yr old who has pressure from club and country already. Expectations are high enough already, he has managed to perform alot more consistently this season, the goals and rewards will come soon enough.

    Be patient and SUPPORT

  92. Randall is much better then Hopkirk (deceased)

  93. If England need Theo to play, I’m afraid he’ll have to play. Theres a world cup coming up and we need our best players like Theo to be on top international form. Theo himself will want to play for England as much as possible and I shall be there supporting him in the three lions.

    Whatever happend to Quincy?

  94. Sell the freaking first team, I say. All of them, keep 2-3 experienced players. Bring in the reserves, they’re all better. They just won the cup, why can’t they do it on the bigger stage?

    Before we get excited about the players that played last night, I think there is a long waiting list, because we have many players on loan, who would be assimiliated in the first team before than.

    JonJon,

    How do you come up with the most ridiculously unenlightened comments?

    FFS, people have been have been spoilt by a few young stars, and expect alot from the younger players. Messi, Cesc, Ronaldo are exceptions, not the general trend.

  95. Why don’t you do some research and find out what happened to Quincy, you slow lazy fuckwit.

  96. Frank, whatever happened to Quincy?

  97. I hope we have plenty more players who develop as slowly as Walcott.

  98. Remember Theos hat-trick in the Three Lions, incredible

  99. Walcott single-handedly revitalised the fortunes of the England national team. Not bad for a 19-year-old under-achiever.

  100. Poliziano

    Me too… If Theo is a slow developer, i cant imagine what a fast learner would be like. Hatrick for England, very rare indeed!! Such a slow learner isnt he?????

  101. Actually when you think about it the manager most likely to improve the fortunes of the England team is Arsene Wenger. Theo is the first of many who will have been prepared for England stardom by him. Kieran is the second. Jack and Henri will be the third and fourth. WC2014 and WC2018 are in the bag for 3 lions supporters.All the lardarses have to do is sit and watch, scratch their bellies and think about beer and tattoos and fly-tipping.

  102. Everybody secretly supports England, the greatest and most welcoming country on earth

  103. Cristiano Ronaldo, a hero of the anti-supporters, was 20 years old (I think) in the 04-05 season. He scored 9 goals in 50 games, a goal every 5.6 games. This season, when Walcott was 20, he scored 6 goals in 27 games, a goal every 4.5 games.

  104. That judgement is not for you to make, HG.

  105. It is Frank, I’m a judge

  106. I have no doubt that you think you are.

  107. No seriously I am a Judge at the Old Bailey, Judge dread they call me

  108. I have no doubt that you think you are!

  109. Have you ever watched Judge John Deed?

    He’s my homeboy, we go out for lunch sometimes

  110. It is your intellectual application and integrity which give away what you are.

  111. And the tatoos

  112. Blogging and TV and England games. About average, maybe slightly less than average intelligence. Small circle of ‘friends’. Is that it Happy Gooner? Does that describe you?

  113. But if you take into account that one of them freinds is Judge John Deed………..

  114. Depends on the subject matter of the tattoos. Spelt with a double ‘t’ btw.

  115. Is it true you have a picture of Alexandre Song laying naked acroos a ferrari tattoed accross your chest?

  116. No it isn’t. Such an image would never occur to me.

  117. Frank

    HG gets bullied enough as it is on this blogg – his attempts to be intellectual are laughable and his comments he trys to put across lack any real argument or backbone behind them.

    I think you described him well being an average, small circle of friends kind of guy who gets a kick out of stirring a fuss on a few bloggs to draw attention to points of which he cant argue.

    The more simple phrase that sums Happy Gooner is “Pothetic”

    Did you manage to take that deep look into the mirror by the way, or you too afraid??

  118. I think you need a little help on the comedy front. Come on, surpass yourself, make us all laugh, HG.

  119. “Is it true you have a picture of Alexandre Song laying naked acroos a ferrari tattoed accross your chest?”

    Typical TROLL like comment HG…. or Howard is it?

  120. We don’t have mirrors in the house, CG.

  121. Before we all go over board about the youth cup team we should remember that they have also been forming the majority of the reserve side which has been mediochre at best this season. Most have to successfully make the jump from youth to reserve football before they can hope to be considered for 1st team football
    ———————————–

    They’re by far the youngest Reserves team. When they played the Spuds, the Spuds had the likes of Zokora and Bentley in the team. When they played Chelski, the Chavs had Malouda, Di Santo, Drogba, in the team.

    ——————————

    In reality Arsenal does not have a “reserve” team. unlike other teams you would be hard pressed to find anyone in the senior taking part in the reserve games.

    Wenger much rather send his “reserve” players on loan, because in his mind for players to develop they need more games than the reserve league allows.

  122. “We don’t have mirrors in the house, CG.”

    I was talking to HG mate

  123. I know, CG.

  124. Q. What type of bee’s produce milk?

    A. Boo-Bees

  125. That shut everyone up.

  126. Q. Why does Happy Gooner persist on being a mug?

    A. Nobody knows!!!

  127. decent display from the youth team last night, very good display last friday. i enjoyed watching bartlett, i like the look of him, jack obviously and sanchez. those three stood out for me last night, the thing it is important to remember is that young players are inconsistant , its in their nature. I also read today of some more defensive youngsters coming in from home and away. I suppose i will watch the game tonight, i promised myself i wouldnt as i didnt think i could face it but we will see. I like to have a team to support when watching a game, no problem with that then

  128. its almost as if theo never scored a hat trick for england. thanks muc for those stats pz.

    perspective. the d&g crew lack it

  129. 7.45pm

  130. I have always had a soft spot for Ajax, never more so than now with Dennis working with the club to obtain his coaching qualifications. My second favorite club. However Martin Jol has just become their new manager. Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

  131. This side football fans fall into Arsenal-Barca … and the rest.

    Come on Barca!!!!

  132. I’m certainly hoping for a Barcelona win tonight. A thrashing would be great. If it’s decided by a single goal, I hope the lesser Ronaldo is to blame for conceding. A red card for Rooney would also be good.

  133. I would like to see Barca win but mostly for the fact that I dont like Man U.

    I dont see why there is a Ronaldo and Messi debate on who is the best player in the world. I dont even think Ronaldo is the best player on Man U!

    Ronaldo is only good in tons of space from what I see.

  134. I would like to see both sides lose handsomely tonight. Can’t stand either of them.

  135. So I guess you would also like to see both teams lose also?

  136. That would be a fair reading of my opinion, yes, Paul N.

  137. I really hope Henry scores a hat-rick against the Mancs and Ronaldo misses a pen. that would be perfect….well as perfect as it can get without us being there winning and lifting the trophy ourselves!!

  138. its the endless drivle that surrounds players like christa bell. Of course he’s not the best player in the world, there are many better, i can name you 22 from Arsenal, but i agree with you Paul N, he doesnt have the ability to twist and turn in the box as messi does. i hpe he recieves a none life threatning injury, then he can go into acting cause looking at sky sports recently i think hes got his eye on a reporters job

  139. Ronaldo has never excelled against Clichy,Sagna,Lauren and Eboue…..took avantage of injuries this year orange spotty little freak!!

  140. Even though Henry “missed” his chance with Arsenal I wouldnt mind seeing him win it.

    Would also love to see him retire at Arsenal.

  141. Can anyone remember the Semi’s between the two last year when Man U were forced into doing a Chelski at home had Barca any decent stikers then it would have been them in the final….lets see Fergie play the ‘beautiful football’ he claims they can do against decent opposition not the West Hams of the world.

  142. Wish i was predicting an Arsenal win tonight, still if Henry grabs the winner I will feel delight for the man and in some sence i will be proud for him, too. BUT THIS TIME NEXT YEAR I PREDICT GLORY, oh yea bring on that glory, glory glory halleluya, enjoy the game those of you watching

  143. Just supposing, and this is an outside possibility, that some industrious and inventive soul has managed to synthesise a drug which when administered causes bizarre behaviour in the recipient. Perhaps also this individual has managed to administer this ‘elixir’ to the players of Manchester United and Barcelona, this afternoon.

    And just supposing that the effect of the drug was initiated by a whistle. And so when the kick off whistle sounds, all of the players capture the referee and linesmen and all UEFA officials in the ground, strip them naked, ram peacock feathers up their arses…each and every one of them…and chase them round the ground for 90 minutes.

    Do you reckon if that happened the competition would be declared null and void and neither team would win? OR that the two clubs in third and fourth position to stage an alternative final at a later date.

    Could happen couldn’t it? Not beyond the bounds of possibility?

  144. Come back Paul?

    What so he can be booed after our beloved fans claim he wasn’t good enough for Barca and was using Arsenal as an early retirement home.

  145. Hello people… Its been quite a while to post but I have been making effort to read the excellent blogs by YW as well as the responses as per usual.

    Guess the transfer window will soon open.

    Not expecting many buys and any buy should be in addition wot what we have and no one should be sold please!

    I will continue to say it that a team needs understanding to function well long term and whatever has been archieved in that area this season should not be thrown away like what happened when Hleb (most missed… see those 0-0 draws) and flamini left.

    Although if Rosicky and Eduardo had been available this season we would have defo fared better

  146. And furthermore that all the evidence pointed to Frank Lampard and John Terry having funded the ‘pharmacist’. AND that I, I mean an anonymous Arsenal supporter, had DNA evidence and photographs to prove it.

    Would the ECL be awarded to Arsenal? Naaah, they would just scratch the final for this year and besides we want to win it fair and square don’t we?

  147. Mara, such assertions were by the minority as usual me thinks… they always tend to be rather vocal.

    Henry is one of those players i wont mind coming back… he left Arsenal, maybe rather England for personal reasosn I think not sure AW actually wanted him to go

  148. Frank LOL…

    Your imagination is quite legenedary at the best of times

  149. .

  150. Barca to win this thing please. They are a better team than man U!

  151. For those supporters looking for a theme to AWs purchases this summer the fact that we are rumoured to be buying a full back from The Eagles (Crystal Palace) and a 15 year old from the Robins (Cheltenham), might provide some heavy clues.

  152. Newcastle (The magpies), Brighton (The seagulls), WBA (the throstles)???

  153. You have to be very clever to keep one ahead of AW. Of course he might be going for animals in general and the first two just happened to be birds. Tricky stuff.

  154. Team Spirit, how are ya?

    No way Maria, Henry would be welcomed home with lots of love.

  155. Walcott has been included in the England under 21 team according to Setanta TV.

  156. Kieran Gibbs is also in the U21 squad and will be going to Sweden. For some reason no-one ever mentions it.

  157. Frank, I just mentioned Walcott due to the debate earlier.

  158. Its true though, they didnt mention Gibbs, actually Walcott was the only player they mentioned.

  159. I dont agree with a player playing too much if it can be helped though. Cesc was exhausted when he came back from the Euro’s.

  160. I dont buy alot of the ‘exausted’ talk by players, alot of it is just another cop out.

  161. I think that Theo and Kieran will be OK, and they will have a full pre-season. neither of them played a full Prem season. AW is lodging an objection because he does not want players going as a matter of course. I don’t think he expected the arseholes at the FA to respond positively. Still what goes around comes around as they say.

  162. Do you think that anyone actually gives a fuck what you buy, HG?

  163. Frank, You’d probably be interested in what I buy from soho, from what I hear you could probably use a bit of it as well

  164. Agreed Frank,

    Theo MAY be going to next year`s World Cup after 15 months without a break.

    There will be complaints then that he`s cream crackered.

    I`m surprised Capello hasn`t pulled rank on the Wealdstone Sparky

  165. ‘Exausted’ is another way for a layer to say ‘I’m playing shit at the moment’ or ‘I cant be arsed’

  166. I wish, Happy Gooner, that you could more often say you “can’t be arsed,” and less often say you’re writing “shit at the moment.”

  167. Arse21 + Soho Stuff = Happy Gooner

  168. Phartoids, I had a terrible case of you last night

  169. we know you have every night

  170. Tin of Baked beans + Lamb Madras = Phartoids

  171. and morning too

  172. then under this theory:

    Phartoids = Happy Gooner?

  173. So Ian(legendary status in the balance) Wright says he wants Man utd to win coz he doesnt want Henry to win and prove that you have to leave The Arsenal to win things!!!

  174. Isn’t Soho the Chinese quarter of London?

  175. DukeGoonem, surely you can see the sense in that? Imagine Henry in a press conference afterwards going “this is why I left Arsenal and came to Barcelona”

  176. Poliziano, Have you ever been to London? I thought you supported Arsenal?

  177. Phartoids, I do tend to get verbal Phartoids, or so I’m told

  178. Another faux pas from Wrighty then. Would he say the same thing if it was the Spuds versus Barca ?

  179. Poliziano,

    love the point you made at 1.01pm.

  180. I’ve been to London many times, Happy Gooner.

  181. Poliziano, you should go to Soho then there loads of dirty sh1t

  182. I believe I have been through Soho. I don’t know what kind of dirty sh*t there is there.

  183. You tend to have mental Phartoids Happy Gooner

  184. Aggree with Frank, Henry’s chance to win the CL medal should have been against Barca and not with Barca. But what the heck, can’t digest Manu winning the CL. Would love to see Messi, rip apart Evra. Tough job though, Barca has a weakened defence. Not any of the first choice full backs, and the wings would be the key. No marquez either. Expecting Rooney and Evra doubling up on Messi, like they did against Theo. They’d play against Barca, as they play against us. And if Barca don’t make mistakes, they can walk away with a win, despite their defence.

  185. Oh alright then. I will support Barcelona just for this one match. But only this once mind, and only because Ian Wright is supporting the Mancs. As ex-players go if I have to choose between Ian Wright and Thierry henry I choose Thierry becuse he helped to get us to a CL Final and he never dises the club.

    Barcelona, Barcelona, Barcelona…Barcelona, Barcelona, Barceloooonnnaaaa….Barcelona, Barcelona, Barcelona…Barcelona…BARCELONA….

    There it is done. Except I can’t do that without finishing with..

    Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal….Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenaaa all….Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal….Arsenal…ARSENAL

  186. I love some of the Chinese restaurants in Soho.
    The carnage in the windows though look like dead babies, which can be a little off putting.

  187. mental pharting is a sience.

  188. I’m actually supporting…

    Thierry Henry…..THieRRy HeNry….tHIerRy..HeNRy

  189. Then Soho is the Chinese quarter. Am I to assume, Happy Gooner, that you have something against the Chinese?

  190. A dead Arse21 on the other hand, slowly roasting with its bollocks in its mouth might add a bit of spice to a pre-theatre meal.

  191. Prediction –

    Utd 2 Barca 2

    1 all after ninety minutes.

    Man Utd win on penalties

    Both Ronaldo and Messi to do absolutely nothing for the whole match. (Exhaustion maybe?)

    Rooney to score two for Man Utd, Henry and Iniesta to score for Barca.

    Ronaldo to pldge future to Man Uts after game, ten sign for Real on Sunday night

  192. Best of luck to Henry, Toure and Messi etc.

    I really fucking hate ManU.

    COME ON BARCA!!!

  193. Happy Gooner can i joing your mental pharting sience project?

  194. An own goal or two by Patrice Evra would be nice, followed by him being stretchered off with a mouth injury.

  195. Rookie, Yes of course, all are welcome (except frank)

  196. Ronaldo to hit six free kicks into row Z and stamp his feet like a three year old girl, blames his sh1t performance on exhaustion

  197. Guess who didn’t even make it on the bench?

    HAHAHAHAHA…..Hint Hint. He still can’t shoot. What’s it now? 6 games for him the whole season. Well that’s one way to jeopordise your football career. Sad, I really rated him.

    Barcelona: Valdes, Puyol, Toure, Pique, Sylvinho, Busquets, Iniesta, Xavi, Messi, Eto’o, Henry. Subs: Pinto, Caceres, Gudjohnsen, Krkic, Keita, Rodriguez, Muniesa.

    Van der Sar, O’Shea, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Carrick, Anderson, Giggs, Park, Ronaldo, Rooney. Subs: Kuszczak, Berbatov, Nani, Scholes, Rafael, Evans, Tevez.

  198. Man Utd to win 10-0, Evra to say after the game ‘It was men vs girls’

  199. I thought that Ronaldo was going to Real nearly all season but the way Real have been lately I think he might still be at the mancs next season after all.

    Been looking at the ManU squad and while they have some very good players I think that some of them are between OK and average at best. Where they are very strong is in central defence but once you lose either of the first two again nothing to get excited about. If you consider that Giggs, Neville and Scholes don’t have much more football in them the midfield squad looks pretty light.

    If the money dries up, and they can’t go on borrowing huge amounts and not paying it back forever ManU could easily fall out of the top click of clubs.

  200. Yes he’s the fricken energiser bunny

  201. I agree with Marc

  202. Frank – I think that a mouth injury could easily be arranged for Evra.

  203. Marc, There’ll always be a rich billionaire football fan to save Man U. If it came to it Abou Daby would probably ditch City and take Man U instead

  204. Is it beyond hope that Ferguson will retire after tonight?

  205. The doctor might accidentally sew it up. Actually if it is a UEFA doctor this is highly likely.

  206. Happy Gooner – I’ve heard that the Glazers would accept an offer for ManU. If so why have ManU not been taken over. The Glazers have a history of fucking over sports teams. Remember that they don’t give a fuck about ManU’s history, the fans, players or football in general. As long as they can keep squeezing money out of the club they don’t give a flying fuck whether ManU win the league or finish mid table. Something a few Arsenal supporters should remember when advocating a takeover.

  207. Poor Alex. Has he played enough games to get a medal? Sincerely hope not.

  208. Like your style, Marc

  209. Frank – I think that your faith in anyone at UEFA is misguided! Although if they were meant to sew up a life threatening leg wound who knows?

  210. I hope Yaya doesn’t accidentally kick Evra in the face.

  211. Then Fabregas runs on in full hoody attire and flobs in his face

  212. with both feet at the same time

  213. and a follow up punch….

  214. Poliziano – As long as Gary Lewlynn isn’t there to administer first aid!

  215. Do you mean Gary Lewellyn-Bowen, brother of Lawrence, Marc?

  216. Ronaldo will struggle tonight if he doesn’t have Jamie Redknapps head removed from his arse.

  217. Frank – What’s he like at first aid?

  218. Who dreams up the opening ceromony’s at these things? Have they ever met anyone who supports a football club?

  219. Predictions anyone?

  220. Henry will never win the CL. Its as simple as that. What goes up always comes down. He had an agreement to play for Barca so he wasted all the chances he had against them when we played them in the CL finals. He was actually corrupted to play it soft. He put to waste two glaring one-on-one chances.

    Henry also pocketed his contract fees in advance when he signed a new contract after the CL against Barca; then he engineered a move the following year destabilising the team and left. He’s a chameleon who pretends to love the club but selfish.

    He won’t win. Manu will win because they deserve it and Sir Alex has always been serious focusing on rebuilding his team season after season.

    He always buys quality players from abroad and try to bring through British players and buys quality British players as well. Sir Alex knows that once you keep on winning the money will flow in.

    For us, AW in recent times has been buying average foreign players that’s why we will never win again unless his policy is altered.

    MANU wins today 2-1 or 1-0

  221. Giggs to totally flop. Park to spontaneously combust. Anderson to run around like a headless chicken. Barca’s defence to lay an egg and concede at least one. Barca’s attack to fire. Henry to score.

  222. Man Cheater United to just lose in any form or shape.

    Oh, and evra to eat all the grass in Roma with his ass*ole

  223. Your not joking Marc.These pundits have been building up Man Ure’s challenge so much that it is going to implode in their faces. Jamie Redknapp is just a twat. And this Sky Sports Punitry is eciely one side except Ruud who is the only one that beleives Barca can win. Go on Barca twinned with Arsenal!!!!We will be back next year

  224. Against all the odds, I am getting quite excited now.

  225. Hold up how come pycol is playing…sorry about the spelling!!

  226. I still can’t bring myself to watch it but if anyone cares to post updates, I’ll check in from time to time. I just can’t bear the thought of the man u love in for the rest of the summer if they manage to come away with another victory.

  227. ETTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  228. 1-0 Barca!!!!!!!!!

    Eto’o!!!

  229. 1-0 Barca!

  230. That’s settled Barca down! They were A bit nervy at the start.

  231. Agree with the Barca team there are actucally 3 or 4 players i like….can’t and never will say that about the dirty cheating Mancs!!

  232. >Ronaldo is a right old twat

  233. That he is OG that he is…..goddamn fool!!!

  234. Carrick is the definition of a luxury player. I’ll never understand why he’s so rated.

  235. Amost a Vidic own goal…

  236. Ronaltwat again…..

  237. ……..Everytime he comes on the screen he looks like Phil Browns bastard child nowadayz……..

  238. Man poo need Berbatov and Tevez. Their midfield is very weak. Park, Anderson and Giggs are being found out.

  239. Henry should have scored would have finished off the first half perfectly!!!

  240. Not to talk of Carrick who’s again leaving me wondering why he’s that rated.

    Let’s see how they regroup for the second half….Bet Tevez or Berbatov comes on…

  241. Maria….Ronaldo greasy porn star looks are the stuff of Shill Brown’s dreams….

  242. It looks like man utd are playing for a draw, like they did against us a couple of weeks ago.

  243. Someone needs to remind Anderson that’s its not the premiere league where he’d get away with bullying and kicking players. Hardly made any impact!! Barca had been outstanding, exhilrating football. Messi has showed up, Ronaldo hasn’t yet. Iniesta has brilliant.

  244. Joy to see a proper football team put it to m u . What a crying shame it wasn’t an Arsenal Barca final. Two teams intent on proper footy, would’ve been such a feast. Just need Thierry to score now.

  245. Man U look very weak!

    Barca’s attack is giving them a warm time. Once you stay secure at the back they are not that good as all they do is wait for the counter. I can honestly say that even though they are PL champs they are nothing special, to me at least.

  246. Aah the look on Ronaldo and Man Ure’s faces…Priceless!!! That twat Andy Gray has even stopped eulogising about Cronaldo. One more please Barca. Please. A move starting with a messi nutmeg on Cronaldo would be great. Come on Barcz.

  247. Allot of world-class premeir league players are looking very average with they average age of 28 the Mancs need to step up…..have been keeping an eye on Henry he doesn’t hold on to the ball run with it anymore no close control its’s been 1 touch football throughtout the first half…..do love the way the Barca are pressing the ball from the front.

    Only worry is that the Mancs will get a early goal.

  248. My prediction comes true….on comes Tevez.

  249. Oh no the changes have come…..Anderson for Tevez…next it will be Berba for Park….

  250. That should have been ‘world-class’.

  251. Maria….Man poo are carrying two midfielders….Carrick and a past-it Giggs.

  252. Henry misses!!!!

    Damn!

  253. Second final running in the CL……..HENRYYYYYYYYYY should of scored!!!

  254. Almost 2-0 again!!! Eto’o!

  255. PEN!!!

  256. Messi misses …..Barca may well rue this later!

  257. Vidic-Ferdinand get away with yet another little push in the penalty area that’d be a foul anywhere else.

  258. Acgtually it was O’Shea who pushed Messi. But it’s standard Man poo practice that they get away with in the premerier League.

  259. Barca must make these chances count!!

  260. Hit the bar!!! Could be 4-0!

  261. But isn’t……….much like Arsenal convertation rate needs to be higher!!

  262. Giggs is strolling around in midfield. If this were Ade Arsenal fans would be baying for his blood.

  263. Yaya to avenge for Kolo….

  264. OG how come Puycol is playing isn’t he suspended?

  265. men against boyz, huh?

  266. Puyol isn’t suspended. Abidal and Alvez are.

  267. Hope Henry makes Evra cry for the boys back home.

  268. Carrick is useless.

  269. N us ofcause.

  270. Having said that bet he flukes some contribution now….

    Scholes is warming up. If he has the legs they need him….maybe for the last 25 minutes.

  271. Stop OG he will score the equaliser at this rate.

  272. On comes Berba….bet it’s for Giggs.

  273. What’s Messi trying to do…..disappointing stuff from him.

  274. hehe…nope Park i called it!!

  275. They’ll look slightly better now…if Giggs deigns to run…or conjures up new legs.

  276. Ronaltwat elbows Puyol!

  277. Keita….for who? Seems a strange move.

  278. Messi scores with a header!!

  279. 2-0!!!!!!!

    Messsi!!!!!!!

  280. there it is!

  281. Love Keita too.

  282. West Brom standard defending from Man poo. Ronaldo watches as Xavi crosses….was he watching his reflection in the mirror…

    Off comes Henry….probably not 100% fit.

    Ronaldo almost scores.

  283. Talk about Men vs boyz!

  284. Horrible Ronaldo foul….Ba-jeeze!!

  285. Ronaldo is SUCH a CHEAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  286. Shame. Nearly 3-0 there.

  287. Paul N….only thing rthat hasn’t happened yet is for Ferdinand to slip and allow Keita score…

    Finally Fergie changes Giggs…

    He’s gotten his tactics spectacularly wrong.

  288. Fergie looks like he woke up with an enema up his arse.

  289. Yellow for Ronaldo.

  290. Incredible but finally Ronaldo gets a booking…..amazing

  291. If RONALDO gets sent off……..oh la la……..

  292. Wont be surprised if he gets sent off.

  293. Scholes is back to his old tricks….and that’s cue for the English commentators to chuckle about how the great man “never learnt to tackle”….

  294. Scholes. All these years and he still hasn’t learned to tackle properly.

  295. “If RONALDO gets sent off……..oh la la……..”

    cake. icing. cherry.

  296. Is Carrick playing?

  297. OG, Fergie wrong? I thought only Wenger made mistakes.

  298. Fun Gunner,

    I am watching with the commentary off….can’t bear the Man poo exaltation….Did the commentators for only the 887th time chuckle about how Scholes never learnt to tackle?

    Well it’s just a cover you moron kings. He gets a pass for his dirty play.

  299. Feggerson doesn’t know his strongest team….this crap about his huge squad and “strength in depth”.

    Cover for the fact that they don’t have a right-back, not one dependable goalscoring sriker, no proper defensive midfielder, and 2 of their best players Scholes and Giggs are past it.

  300. OG

    They weren’t too indulgent about Scholes.

    The match commentary I can live with – but the build-up in the studio was positively rebarbative.

  301. Come on, Barca. One more. Just to rub it in.

  302. [img]http://www.fiatforum.com/gallery/data/500/ronaldo-lookalike_JPG-tn.jpg[/img]

  303. This has been an embarrasing display from Man U.
    They have been outplayed in every area.

  304. Totally agree, Paul.

  305. So much for the world club champions ,Messi never Scoring against English opposition and tall commanding defensive midfieldiers. Soundly beaten by a team with a makeshift defence and a bucketload of vertically challenged hombres with cojones and yes beautiful football has triumphed over English spines, passion and grit. Take note Howard. Not as good as they thought . Dimitar Berbaslob 30million wasted. Now all the excuses under the sun come out. Barca the peoples champions.

  306. Like Spain v Germany in Euro 2008. Technique wins out again.

    4th the Target, what were you saying again? Manure to win, was it?

  307. THIERRY HENRY-CHAMPIONS LEAGUE WINNER THE LEGEND JUST GOES ON AND ON

  308. Fergie mugged himself with his lineup…everyone knows park n o’shea only play well against us.

  309. We will slaugter them next year.

    I tell you Ronaldo is crap unless he has space. The counter attacking style of Man U make him look special but put someone on him and his tricks are crap. best player in the world my foot!

    We will dominate next year!

    ARSENAL!!!

  310. If only it could have been us in that final…. Oh well.

  311. Is it over then?

  312. What will the English media say now. Barca’s “poor” defence held up against Manchester “Heaven” United. How is that possible. They unanimously said it wouldn’t..

    ha ha ha ha ha ha

  313. Gotta agree with you again, Paul N. He has been shown up, big-time.

  314. Iniesta!! he may have no hair but he has plenty of flair!! what a player! iniesta,xavi n messi what a midfield…class.

  315. Rejoice. Think I might just support Spain in SA. That’s how it should be played. I just hope to God we never have to watch Paul Scholes on a football pitch again.

  316. DukeGoonem,

    He’s made the same mistakes all season. Strange season though at home…. they didn’t have to be anything better than good to win the Premier League, while the media tore apart all the opposition and teams rolled over and died.

  317. I’m just glad that man u lost and even though it should have been with us TH deserves to win a CL medal for being such a great player for so many years.

  318. Yes FunGun, he also didnt one of those free kicks goals to make him look sooo special!

    I would almost put my neck on the block and say a fully fit Arsenal would’ve played Barca much better!

  319. For the third time today – I agree with you, Paul N! :)

  320. We’ll be there soon enough FunGunner and if good fortune smiles on us and we can avoid losing key players before the crunch games, we will conquer all.

  321. Not saying we would have won, but we can at least play the same game.

  322. Last summer wanted to sign Adebayor and sell Eto”o.What a stroke of luck they had and what a stroke of bad luck we had

  323. Buhuhahahaha……HAHAHAHAHA…..DID YOU SEA RONALDO’S FACE?!?!!

    HAHA…..Vidic, and scholes on their cheating self. Sore losers!!!

    Man of the match…..Iniesta…….puyol was superb today.

    Ronaldo was dissapointing. If the team had won him a few more free kicks near the goal, he might have scored, or converted a penalty. Really not his day.

    Pointing finger, and laughing at the manu team. Buhahuahaaha

  324. Passenal, I hope and believe you are right.

    When I look back on this season, I think maybe it was one which had to happen. We’ve found out things about our squad, certain players have stepped up and we have a platform to build on.

  325. I’m Gooner Ted: “Bitch, bitch, bitch”

    Give it a rest. We’re bored now.

  326. The media narrative tomorrow will be about how more Arsenal players would leave to be like Henry and Hleb and win trophies….

  327. Manu’s season includes, just one(?) win over the top four teams in the PL. They’ve slaughtered the lower teams. Their CL run, had been relatively easy, porto almost found them, and Inter did quite well too, in the second leg. Let’s not go to the semis:p

  328. My only sadness tonight is that it means Spain has now won more European Cups than us.

  329. Hleb looks like he’s crashing a wedding!

  330. Well done Thierry Henry.Never has a player deserved to win the Champions League more than you.You are truly a Gooner legend.Tonights victory was as much for Arsenal as it was for Barca

  331. Totally agree FunGun.

    This season has been painful but we will be better for it. Our players have had to have thick skin and have learnt to battle even when the “supporters” were not in their corner. They are fighters!

  332. Gooner ted,

    I was expecting someone to come up with that. You people are getting really predictable now.

    Is hleb taking part in the celebrations?

  333. damn, I forgot Hleb was at Barca!

  334. Barca totally deserve it!

  335. Once again Ronaldo proved he cannot compete at the top level.

  336. This should be Henry’s second shouldnt it!

  337. Yes, he doesn’t look awkward about it either. I mean, the Barca kitman has more reason to celebrate than Hleb.

    Pique has some kind of net fetish. Good on him.

  338. I get feel kinda sick seeing hleb picking up a medal smiling like the sneaky little rat that he is!!!

  339. Fans wondered why Cesc couldnt get a start in the Spanish national team,well we saw why tonight.Xavi and the best player in the world Iniesta.Well pleased for Henry after the sadness of 2006

  340. Hleb is a bit weird though isnt he. He is the worst character ever to play for Arsenal.

  341. that was…did…

  342. Cesc was pure class when Spain won the Euro’s (one of the best players). They are his senior and he will be in there place soon enough.

  343. Would anyone like to join me in a rousing chorus of “You’re shit and you know you are?”

  344. Barcelona et al,

    Why so many aliases? Why?!

    Or is it multiple personality syndrome?

  345. I’ve been to Barcelona on holiday – if Hleb’s getting a medal, I should, too!

  346. Barca’s treble is so well deserved….

  347. Barcalona,

    Cesc was a 21 year old playing for a VERY talented national team and he still played his part….i.e scoring the winning pen to send them to the final.

    And Henry was on about his kid again it’s her birthday…i really feel for him….oh the faces of the dirty Mancs and their fans…hehe

  348. Iniesta is 25. He has 35 caps. Fabregas is 22 and has 37 caps.

  349. Delighted for TH14 and also the brilliant SILVINHO dont ever forget the great service he gave us.

    What Barcelona showed is you can play brilliant football but without great strikers to finish the chances you will win nothing.And they have three world class strikers

  350. Now come on Everton!!!

  351. It was nice to see Henry lift the CL but just feels that we really missed out.

    ManU were average at best. Against a good technical team where the ref won’t allow them to kick the shit out of the opposition they look very poor. Vidic who I have really rated over the last two seasons has been shown up. If good attacking players put him under pressure he loses it big time, a lesson for other teams to act on.

  352. I’m probably over-reading things but the body language of the Man poo players to each other reeks of a divided squad. Lot’s of grudges bubbling under the surface….

    For e.g I just saw the Messi goal again. O’Shea saw Messi but left him (for Ferdinand) but Ferdinand didn’t see him and O’shea knew that. Once the ball goes in, O’shea gives Ferdinand the full strength of his lungs.

  353. FunGunner – You probably made a bigger impact than Hleb has.

  354. how good was the ref!!!!!!!

  355. Fabregas can fit in any team…and plays for the Spanish national team. That’s beside the subject at hand.

    The Cheaters were beaten today and that’s all what matters to me.

    I didn’t watch the game, but now I can enjoy watching it tonight.

  356. As Rooney did to Evra on many occasions…..also everyone gives Berba a dirty look….also really don’t think that crybaby Ronaldo is scared of ol’ whiskey face anymore wheres Keano when you need him.

  357. What a balls up by Ferguson.

    Barcelona were there for the taking. He was too cautious at the start, and he was too cautious after they conceded an incredibly soft goal. Totally screwed up the midfield and tried to play too many speculative balls wide. What a cock up.

    The press should slaughter Ferguson. O’Shea, Park, Anderson ?? World class ?? The normally reliable defence were a shambles. Giggs and Scholes are too old.

    One may argue that Barcelona were lucky not to concede one early on, but the ball retention by Man U after that was diabolical. Why didn’t they play like that against us ??

  358. “I’ve been to Barcelona on holiday – if Hleb’s getting a medal, I should, too!”

    Ha, ha FunGunner, best laugh I’ve had all night even better than the scoreline!

  359. “Giggs and Scholes are too old.”

    I don’t know. Scholes got booked as quickly as ever.

  360. Well congratulations Barcelona….ish. Problem for me about Barcelona is that they are the darlings of UEFA. They are also effectively a nationalist team (Catalan) and as such are as ‘doped’ as Chelski in that the club are run by different rules.

    I thought Thierry was as ineffective tonight as he was in our final two years ago. BUT they beat the Mancs and for tonight that will do. Only for tonight mind you.

    ….Arsenal…..

    P.S. Nice to see Silvinho win something. Bit wet crying his eyes out at the end but he did a credible job of replacing Giovanni, oh another Arsenal player.

    P.S.S. The honourable president of UEFA is becoming a right little porker

    P.S.S.S. Why was Prince William there?

  361. Now Fergie is going to say he lost because he didn’t have Fletcher…

  362. Do you know any welders? There is a bus in Manchester that needs a top putting back on. Lol

  363. Ole Gunner – As I commented earlier the ManU squad is vastly overrated. They do have some very good players but this thing about the greatest squad ever is a joke. Nani, Anderson, O’Shea, Evans, Park, Fletcher, Carrick, R da Silva, Neville even Scoles and Giggs are shadows of their former selves. All asembled for a small, sorry make that a pretty large fortune. I really feel that most teams in the PL have lost the game before they set foot on the pitch.

  364. Muppet, they played well against us at Old Trafford but only managed one goal. They were extremely fortunate at Emirates with that slip that put them in a commanding position, and gave them the confidence to hit us on the counter because we were forced to chase the game. Fortunately they ran out of luck tonight and the tables were turned on them. Also, perhaps Ferdinand was rushed back and wasn’t really fit tonight?

  365. Withe future Welfare king is apparently there just because he’s a fan. He was as of protocol invited to the VIP section because he lives off our taxes and our political system tolerates his kind.

  366. London – In Manchester they will need bullet proof glass as well!

  367. EVRA called our players babies well tonight him and his mates looked like girls in white skirts. Hleb should be ashamed of himself if he utter a word about himself winning a trophy.

  368. Passenal,

    Yeah. The luck was reversed tonight for them.

    They had none.

  369. Of course Marc, the media and pundits play a big role in that…they hype them up and scare every one that plays them…on the other hand, they down play Arsenal as young, weak, and pushovers which encourage the small teams to stuck up.

    Not for long f*ckers, your day will come when we turn this crap right over your heads.

  370. HEHE G4E….could you really compare the two MFs….

  371. Iniesta actually reminds me a lot of Denilson.

  372. Passenal – This is my major problem with the sporting press at large. If the ManU squad is as good as everyone claims why can’t they manage with one player missing through injury. We’ve played most of the season with between 3 – 6 missing but nobody give us any credit.

  373. Bullshit Muppet

    Man Utd were totally outplayed because Barcelona our a much better team with superior players

    Tonights result really shows how poor the premiership really is.

    Iniesta,Xavi and Messi are better than any player in the premiership

  374. For me it was Xavi that remembered more of Denilson…..

  375. Calls for Ronaldo out Benzema in start early!!!

  376. We don’t have a Roomey, We don’t have a Ferdinado…We don’t have English grit….that’s why Marc

  377. BARCELONA,

    LOL

    Is this Howard ?

  378. BARCELONA,

    Henry and Sylvinio were great wern’t they ?

  379. You’re right Maria, Fergie will probably solve the problem by buying two or three more players :)

  380. Marc,

    Unfortunately they’ve been winning trophies and the media will never ever be critical in my lifetime.

    His best team is: 4-4-1

    EVDS, Rafael, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Ronaldo, Anderson, Carrick, Giggs, Berbatov, Rooney

    4-4-3

    EVDS, Rafael, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Carrick, Anderson, Fletcher, Tevez, Rooney, Ronaldo.

    Any way you look at it, Rafael, Carrick, Anderson, Fletcher are very average players.

    But he masks that with all the rotation, while the media tear apart the opposition…..

  381. Pep Guardiola was the youth coach at Barcelona last season……………..time to move on Wenger and let Steve Bould take over

  382. Marc, Man U benefit from a lot of hype – they steam roller the ’smaller’ teams on the back of an undeserved reputation, but when they come up against the top teams who are not scared of them it is a different story. They caught us at a bad time in the CL semi’s but in the league we did quite well against them, so we really are not that far off.

  383. On a different note Portsmouth are close to a takeover by a mega rich Arab. Wonder how Man City, Sunderland, Chelsea and Portsmouth are going to divide up the trophies when each owner is going to make them the biggest, most successful team in the world? Honestly the spuds have got more chance.

    In five years time I can see over a billion pounds having been spent on piss poor transfers and nothing much having changed. I wonder if anyone wants to buy Silvestre for £30,000,000 honest he’s really good.

  384. Howard talking up non-English players…i think not!!!

  385. Sorry…up there I meant to type 4-4-2 and not 4-4-1, 4-3-3 and not 4-4-3!!

  386. Yes Passenal, they only took one point off of us in the PL.

    Maybe Arsene was right in saying maybe the CL Semi was a little too big for the team.

  387. few rumours about Chamakh from Bordeaux he is a fantastic header of the ball and will only cost about 7 millions.
    Is anyone happy for Thierry?

  388. Barcelona

    Say F*ck Off to Howard if you see him.

  389. I wondered how long it would take for someone from the D&G brain trust to come up with that gem @ 10.33 pm. You probably think the first team should be replaced by the youth team in the PL as well don’t you?

  390. I saw this from Marc:

    “Vidic who I have really rated over the last two seasons has been shown up. ”

    ..and I basically was going to post what everyone else has said!

    They are NOT the superstars they are portrayed as. What has won them the league is confidence and consistency – not to be sniffed at, God knows, but far from the all-round ascendancy which is claimed for them.

  391. Muppet

    Barcelona 2 Man Shite 0

    Does it really matter who was good or not the cunts from Manshitster got there Arses spanked .And Silvinho and TH14 are ex Arsenal players so that makes it sweeter/Tonight is a great night for all those who love great football

  392. Passenal – I agree, the points difference this season is reflected in a huge number of injuries, a couple of young players dropped in sooner than Wenger would have liked and a few internal problems, now sorted. I think that last season gave us a better indication of were we are going. With a little luck next season will see us shine.

  393. Evra was asked what he has to say about his comment that against Arsenal it was Men v Boys. He said they were disappointing…and sidestepped the Men v Boys comparison.

  394. The only reason Man Shite have won the leagues for the last 3 seasons is because the other top 3 teams do not give them an opposition.Man Shite havent played well this season

    How the fuck did we finish 18 pts behind that pile of crap

  395. Barcelona et al,

    I agree. Also, Guardiola and Bould are both follically challenged.

    That must count for something.

    Sorry, AW, thanks for everything, but there are just too many weird similarities popping up here.

  396. FunGunner – My view on Vidic was based on my opinion that we needed a dominant defender like Vidic to play alongside either Gallas or Toure. When you look at his performance tonight, against Liverpool at Old Trafford and when Ferdinand has missed a couple of games shows that over estimating the opposition is as dangerous as under estimating them.

  397. Passenal

    Who was the youth coach at Barcelona last season.

    Barcelona are a much bigger club than we are.If they can promote a coach like Guardiola why cant we?

  398. OneOfUs – Are you suggesting that we shave Wengers head?

  399. OneOfUs, you might be on to something there – Arsene has got a fine head of hair but maybe it’s getting in the way of him being able to think straight with all that pressure from the weight of it. Perhaps if he shaves it all off, he would be inspired and the team will start winning again!

  400. BARCELONA @ 10.45,

    Because we don’t need to you fuckwit troll.

  401. apart from the CL semis which I thought it was down to nerves and not quality more than anything the fact a place in the CL final was at stake our players were nervous but in the league we outplayed united in both games so I’m not surprised Barcelona spanked them.They failed to beat the top 3 teams. United win the title by beating the crap teams they are very good at that.

  402. Laporta is right this moment tapping Ibrahimovich up….

  403. “over estimating the opposition is as dangerous as under estimating them.”

    That is a very good point because I remember being concerned about how much our players were singing the praises of man u before the CL semi. Cesc has also been quoted recently describing them as having “the perfect defence”. Perhaps our players have also bought into the man u hype a bit as they are exposed to the British media – Barcelona, don’t have the same exposure to the man u hype machine.

  404. it was men vs boys tonight!

  405. Barcelona…So hard not to love them, so painful not to hate their guts….

    Love the team hate the club.

  406. Nah, Marc.

    That would be superficial baldness; typical Wenger spin!

  407. Actually, Barcelona, you do raise some interesting points. Of course the first is that pep Guardiola is Barcelona born and bred and a Catalan nationalist. Steve Bould is not London born and bred. Pep was a product of the Barcelona youth system, not so Steve.

    Pep was not a youth team coach, rather he coached the ’second team’. Now this is interesting because in Spain second teams or ‘B’ teams are allowed to take part in the official league. Many of us have been advocating the same in England. The youth and reserve teams would benefit hugely from playing in the league. Arsene Wenger has been the biggest advocate of this approach with not a lot of support from anyone else including you Barcaprickinglona.

    The major, major difference though is the funding. Barcelona are a sort of mutual or a trust run club, this effectively means that they have been running as Chelski do for many years. They do not have to run as a business and their debts are covered.

    The last point trumps all others. All of this is irrelevant because Arsenal will win the ECL for the foreseeable future, with Arsene Wenger as manager, and Steve Bould or Martin Keown or someone similar will take over eventaully with Arsene’s blessing.

  408. Duke- No it was men against girls tonight

  409. Muppet @ 10.48

    COMMENT OF THE YEAR.

  410. OG…I think those are thew sentiments of most Arsenal fans.

    “Love the team hate the club.”

    Love their style of football and players like Eto’o, Keita, Henry, Yaya and Messi.

  411. Excuse me LE GUNNER do you have a problem with the fairer sex. You have made a couple of comments of that ilk now.

  412. The strange thing is that with all of that financial doping, Barcelona are going to be overtaken by a club with an internationalist agenda, run as a sound business and with an even better youth system.

  413. Muppet

    So you dont want to win the CL.You want to lose and be outplayed by a shite team like Man U.Well i dont

  414. LE GUNNER – Back to my earlier point that most teams have lost against ManU before they step on the pitch.

    Reminds me of a story I heard about Paul McCartney in the mid to late 60’s. He wanted to know if his songs were now popular because of quality or just because of the name behind them so he released a song under a different name. It completely bombed.

  415. I fucking hate everything about Barcelona, but marginally less so than the Mancs, only because I like their style of football.

  416. Frank-Martin Keown ? don’t make me laugh. I will never forget prior to the liverpool game he was asked about the game and he said he was certain Liverpool will beat Arsenal because Arsenal can’t play under the lights that a was very stupid comment ,Dixon was seating next to him he looked shocked, almost thumped him.

  417. Also Ya Ya Toure had a trial at Arsenal and Arsene said he wasnt good enough.We have denilson we dont need YaYa

  418. We outplayed man utd the last time we met. On that occasion, as tonight, the utd midfield was outclassed.

  419. The problem with Barca is that they play great football which is rightly admired, you then spend the whole summer with them tapping up your players and planting stories in the press about them.

  420. LE GUNNER…..could it not have been a joke….

  421. I’m happy tonight. We can be inspired by the way Barcelona played and won tonight. I think we share a similar ethos and I don’t think it will be long before we emulate or even eclipse them.

    What’s more… I love the smell of Schadenfreude in the evening!!!

  422. No it was…we have Vieira we don’t need Yaya, BARCELONA you nitwit.

  423. Marc I agree.I can’t stand Barcelona or R.Madrid for that matter they think they are above everyone and alwyas unsettle our players.

  424. My only reason for blogging is to make you laugh you fucking prick. The comment was ironic and Lee Dixon did not get it.

  425. Thank you Frank this LE GUNNER is getting on my goddamn nerves!!!!!

  426. No Maria he was serious Lee Dixon was not happy at all. Anyway he is not going to be an Arsenal Manager. Wenger will be around for another 10 years after winning 2 CL cups and few more titles then he will retire I can’t see him leaving in near future.

  427. Maybe Henry will come home now. He’s proved himself in Spain.

  428. LE GUNNER – It doesn’t help that you have a prick like Platini running UEFA. Spends his time preaching about all the wrongs in football and conveniently ignores serious rule breaches by the likes of Madrid, Barca, Milan, Juve etc.

  429. If Lee Dixon is your yardstick you have a problem, son.

  430. Marc did you see Platinni? he had a big smile on his face tonight

  431. Do you know any welders? There is a bus in Manchester that needs a top putting back on. Lol

    Cheers, London. I’ve passed that one on.

    Great to see Henry getting a CL winners’ medal. He hasn’t got the old pace though, has he? Nice to see Silvinho again. Nice to not see Hleb, asothers have said.

    Brilliant stuff from Barca. Well deserved win. Now we just need Everton to win Saturday.

  432. He attacked Wenger in the past for bringing young players look at Barca Messi was snatched from his pram

  433. Watching Platini give out the medals tonight, he seemed a very amiable fellow. I find it hard to dislike him now, even though his leadership of UEFA has not done him credit so far.

  434. GoonerGerry,

    I am thinking of going to Wembley to cheer Everton. Nothing will give me more pleasure for Chelsea to lose.

    Then the media will get the basic reality that it’s not onl Arsenal who are not winning trophies and that Abramovich MOST CERTAINLY did not spend £400-600 Million on players just to win the FA Cup.

  435. He touched the face of every player with his chubby fingers and even tweaked the cheeks of his favourites. What a nice chap.

  436. LE GUNNER – It’s no secret that he hates English football and the recent dominance of English clubs in the CL has only made it worse.

    The Platini plan.

    Step 1 – Force English clubs to play a majority of English playes thus dramaticaly reducing the standard of English clubs.

    Step 2 – Banning all clubs from fielding more than 1 English player

  437. Platini is a hypocrite – the Spanish teams are full of South Americans who they import at a young age. It’s only a problem because Arsene Wenger took a couple of players from one of the UEFA darlings in Barcelona. Had he focused only on players from small teams Platini probably wouldn’t have anything to say about it.

  438. Marc-In his home country France the entire league is made up of African players even the national side .

  439. A lot of people in France are not fond of the English.

  440. At least if we are forced to play English players we’ve managed to grow our own to a decent standard!

  441. Added to which Platini’s father is slightly in awe of Arsene Wenger which leaves the son angry, jealous and a little bitter.

  442. Ole Gunner – It’s strange that Liverpool are not criticised for not winning anything recently and didn’t they finish 4th last year? Chelsea – maybe the FA cup this year (hopefully not though!) and one CL final, a really amazing return on 3 managers and how many hundreds of millions? And I really can’t see the papers being full over the summer of how ManU promised 5 trophies in 1 season and ended up with the PL and a mickey mouse cup.

  443. Arsenal seems to be the only source of quality English players at the moment.

  444. Passenal- thats right the south american players tend to have a spanish name so they blend in really well Eufa knows about it but they sweep it under the carpet.

  445. On top of it all most South American players playing in Spain / Portugal avoid the rules on the number of non EU players because their great, great, great, great, great grandfather met a bloke from Spain in a bar once.

  446. But in London most English don’t mind the French at all and treat them with respect as with any other nation. So some of the French are being a little small minded perhaps? It is also true that people in Northern France identify with the English more than any other nation including their own. So the Northern French have a tendency to be …not so small minded. Interestingly given the tedious wars over the centuries the French people with the greatest dislike of the English come from south of Paris, centred on Lyons…oh there is a term for them…think, think, think…I know Vichy France….I went to Vichy once and found that the people there were more unpleasant than…er…than…er…well Mancs I suppose.

  447. Actually to be fair I should point out that Spain and Portugal are not the only countries to do this. France does it with parts of Africa and we do it with the Channel Islands.

  448. Marc- Italy have Cameronezzi from Argentina Portugal have Deco and few others from Brazil and Spain have Senna from Brazil. If Fabregas was called up by England and he decided to play for England Platini would’ve waged war on England

  449. I hope our squad learn the right lessons from this.

    The English media might sneer at and deride attractive passing football but it works. It delivers trophies and wins neutrals.

    I hope that makes us more determined to be a better passing team and a better attacking team.

  450. LE GUNNER – Maybe England should learn from Wenger and start scouting the youth of the world instead of believing that we are still one of the top nations in the world.

  451. Frank-the people from Brittany are quite nice maybe because of the Britain connection. is Wenger from Brittany ?

  452. I believe a lot of French are small-minded, which is perhaps why France is of such little importance these days.

  453. Ole Gunner – What we need is the media and FA to realise that attractive passing football is not the enemy. When teams managed by Sam Alladyce etc are punished for anti football and talanted players are protected we will see not only better quality PL football but the teams in the UEFA cup and the national team will do better.

  454. Wenger’s from Alsace, isn’t he? A man from there can hardly be parochial.

  455. LE GUNNER – Wenger is from the Alsace region. I believe it borders with Germany and some of the Flemish countries.

  456. Marc-Its something to do with pride only once England did that with John Barnes and you get people who still moan about it.

  457. Poliziano – I’ve never understood how Wenger ended up in Japan. It’s not exactly a hub of football.

  458. Arsene is certainly from Alsace right on the border with Germany and he was brought up speaking both languages fluently. Of course he is also well travelled and speaks several other languages and I am sure that means that he is not at all parochial.

    Brittany is a Celtic region, has its own language and has an affinity with Cornwall but not really with the rest of Britain. Brittanny hales from the huge Celtic networks of Europe which were systematically dismantled by Rome.

    Michel Platini is a French Italian from Nancy. Fuck knows what that means.

  459. Frank – I think we could all add a few ideas.

  460. Marc- Wenger is a well cultured man and working in Japan probably appealed to him also he wasn’t well known then but Arsenal was destined for him.

  461. Didn’t know that about Brittany interesting.

    ACLF more than a fans site.

  462. Guys listent to BBC 5LIVE…..they are talking about the Mancs debt….

  463. It’d take a whole article to underline the tactical mistakes Red Nose made tonight…..

  464. Socialist V Capitalism

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  466. If there are things to learn from this, it is in the execution. We have the philosophy, but I guess lack maybe some skills and some confidence. The entire Barca backline could pass it out of trouble, and all three midfielders were constantly making themselves available. I think only once did they pass back to the keeper and he hoofed it. We used to play like this back when we had Pat and Edu and Pires, etc, but now unfortunately Song and Denilson haven’t matched such passing quality, and the back 5 are much more likely to hoof when there are no options.

    Another thing is making runs. Barca forwards and were all making runs in behind, which is what we miss. Sometimes we are a bit too static when we have the ball.

    Barca also pressed really well from the front. We used to do this really well, so I hope Arsene can instill this again.

    Obviously the Mancs don’t deal with possession teams very well. We play like that, controlling the pace and the tempo. Ferguson always talks about how we had possession but didn’t do anything with it. Well, as we can see from today, this has more to do with us, than any strength of his team and tactics. The other obvious fact we had confirmed is that Vidic REALLY hates one on-ones. Showed a few times this season, and found REALLY wanting in his penalty box

    I agree Ole Gunner, the tactical decisions were bizarre. As if Giggs and Carrick were ever going to bother Xavi and Iniesta in possession. And a host of other things.

    Luckily here in Oz I could watch it Free-to-Air, instead of cable. I actually only had a single commentator who would actually keep quite sometimes, to let me savour the game, and unlike the Sky “pundits”, didn’t feel the need to regale me with uninformed, sycophantic ramblings ever second of the match.

  467. Hi All

    Fully agree that talent wise the ManUres are not street ahead of us but as a combination of Rio and Vidic, they are still world class while not invincible.

    Barca essentially outplayed them in middle and the passing was a joy to behold. The Arsenal has the capability to play like that.

    So what is the difference between us and Barca , it is all psychological(self belief) and maturity.

    Of course injury cost us but look at Barca, 3 of their first choice defenders were injured yet they kept a clean sheet. They defended higher up as a tactic for the night and it paid dividend.

    So our injuries, while a factor should never be used as an excuse as it is part and parcel of the game.

    Next year with a bigger squad in terms of experience that comes with one or two signings we should be good to go.

    We Are The Arsenal!!!!

  468. Well done Barca. Very happy for them. Puyol was amazing, amazing. Neither Iniesta or Henry were 100%, if they were ManU would have been humiliated, as it was they were totally outplayed and shown up as an ‘honest journeyman team’. The English media’s ignorance of football and arrogance about so-called English ’spine and grit’ has been embarrassingly exposed. I was mainly interested to see how easily Rooney is contained, and Ronaldo pushed to wide areas where he is ineffective, by a capable midfield allowing no space between mid and defence, and yet without these two ManU are middle-england average.

    As for Catalan Barcelona, their history, not unlike Andalucia, is not fully understood outside Spain.

  469. How stupid must Wenger feel today.We gave Ya Ya a trial yet Wenger said he wasnt good enough and we released him.Kolo always said his brother was a better player than him

    But dont worry we have Diaby……..

  470. In which way is the history of Catalunya not unlike that of Andalucia?

  471. GoonerTed,
    How stupid must you feel criticising the Arsenal manager on a blog for supporters of Arsenal. Doh! Now go and bother a different group of fans, we’re busy getting on with the business of supporting our great club not trying to score cheap shots in public.

  472. steww dont steww

  473. YaYa didnt really have a trial did he? I find that hard to believe

  474. Blog Head why do you not go to the spuds site?The team that you are supposed to support.

  475. steww

    Yes no point crying over spilt milk. While I am very happy for TH 14 and Silvinho and absolutely happy that the ManUres get their just desserts , I have a deep sense of disquiet at Barca’s victory and the manner which the won. In that , the next time they come calling on Cesc or any other players it ma be too tempting to refuse to be part of such a beautiful game. This come back to my point that AW must allow this team to win even the minor trophies be it the CC or the FA if nothing else to show the players that they have true potential and the hope for bigger things is real. Again , I am crying over spilt milk but the FAC would be a perfect balm for a trying season, not for me alone but for the players.
    And they will be much less fodder for the very biased press to attack the Arsenal.

    I hope the team will stay together next season.

    As for Hleb or Help, he deserves his time in obscurity.

    We Are The Arsenal!!!

  476. Gooner Ted is amazingly dumb.

    London, 20th century politics and the struggle against 40 years of facism in Spain.

  477. Steve who is the bloghead you and and alex always bang on about?

    Malaysiangunner, That is what Ian Wright was trying to say yesterday and he got shouted down by alot of ‘new’ arsenal fans who dont appreciate him and are just glory hunters

  478. Blog Head why ask a question when you know the answer.

  479. Steve, You’re weird

  480. Pot, keetle, black, comes to mind Blog head.

  481. Steve, steve, steve, steve, steve

  482. That’s me, me, me, me, me.

  483. I wonder how many text messages Fabregas got last night from all his buddies. I’m worried, very worried, very very worried

  484. Enough banter with you BH, I have work to do and you need to get to school.

  485. Bye Steve

  486. So you answerd to BH then. Bye Blog Head have a good day at school.

  487. Bye dissillusioned steve.

    He’s a strange one, that steve

  488. I don’t think there’s anything special about the history of Catalonia. It’s similar to a thousand other places throughout the world.

  489. I am fully aware of the history of the Catalans, ZP, and have spent a lot of time around Perpignon where many fled to during the worst times. I am also aware that until recently Spain was a fascist state. Hopefully the formation of the EU will prevent extremes rising in any European country in th future. But the Barcelona business model is very different to other clubs and over the years they have become arrogant enough to puclicly and without sanction court players from other clubs.

  490. I agree with PZ

  491. Malaysiangunner – you provided the answer yourself why an invitation to join Barcelona is not necessary attractive. “Helb”. Anyway, we, and not Man Utd, are England’s answer to Barcelona.

  492. Why the heck are people still talking “what might have been if ___ (has joined us) / (has not left us), etc.” They’re all hypothetical scenarios and you can assert till the cows come home that you’re right while others can similarly challenge you that they disagree. What a waste of time.

  493. I didn’t see anything in Yaya Toure’s performance last night that would make Wenger regret his decision.

  494. God it’s a long time to the Barnet game. Anyone want to play I spy?

  495. For me, Puyol and Pique were the most prominent members of the Barcelona defence. Not that any of them were given much of a test.

  496. I suppose Puyol got a few bruises from the lesser Ronaldo’s fouling.

  497. Poliziano

    Denilson is not even 50% of Iniesta. Its a joke; Denilson will never be an Arsenal regular next season ‘cos he’s been found to be average.

    A new better DM for the Arsenal who can tackle, pass more than 5 yards, able to retain the ball, with pace to track back, better positioning and having physical presence.

    Denilson on the bench next season. Denilson in? Arsenal will be fighting for 4th once more.

  498. You going to whine your way through the summer, Podric?

    Cesc is our equivalent of Iniesta is he not? Cesc is not far away at all. Iniesta was man of the match and Cesc has been man of the match in the Spanish side. Denilson is not as effective as Iniesta in attacking situations, yet. But then he has 4 more years to catch up. He has 8 more years to catch up with Xavi, who he is probably closer to in style.

    For me last nights result reaffirms AWs vision in terms of football style. More consistency at the back next year will see us in the final of the CL.

  499. Poliziano

    Iniesta and Xavi are far skillful than the average Denilson. Poliziano, don’t even make that comparism, its a joke.

    The lad you’re promoting isn’t and don’t have the confidence to pass beyond 3 yards. I never saw Iniesta and Xavi making only backwards and sideways passing.

    Denilson is one of the main reason we’ve lacked creativity this season.

  500. Actually we watched the Barcelona’s midfield passing game very deliberately last night. They often pass backwards and sideways. Watch the game again, Podric. This time with unbiased eyes.

  501. Does anybody know what Ferguson’s best 11 is?

  502. Of course the real non-phonetic spelling is Paidric, pronounced Podric.

  503. The difference between us and Barca is that they do a review every season and ship out all average players and replace them with better players.

    Eboue, Diaby, Song, Denilson, Bendtner would’ve been shipped out by Barca.

    We keep them because AW is not ambitious and his Afro-French team don’t care.

  504. Whoops I mean, Padraic

  505. Our ambitious project this year is to ship out all of the average supporters and replace them with better supporters from the season ticket waiting list.

  506. Totally agree with Frank :-)

    We need to replace 2nd rate, average supporters, with the likes of the Barcelona and Arsenal supporters who stay behind after games.

    Supporters who are distinctly average, slow to applaud, have poor stamina and do not last 75 minutes, slow to get into the seats, should be replaced by fitter, more mobile supporters, with better sitting technique and seat retention.

    Supporters with low intelligence and class should also be shipped out.

  507. Zim Paul

    I think you have made the mistake of assuming that the majority of Andalucians were against the Nationalists as were the Catalans during the Civil War but with a bit more research I think you will find that a larger part of Andalusia was very much pro the Nationalists and the Flange. It is often forgotten or not realised that the majority of Spaniards were in fact very much in favour of Franco.

  508. I can just picture, 4 years from now, Barcelona offering £20m for an in-form, in-his-prime Denilson, and all those pricks who spent years slating him demanding that we keep him.

  509. Ha Ha Ha Ha

    Lets all laugh at Man Utd what a bunch of LOSERS.A league title and a carling cup(dontlaugh)big deal you lost the big one.LOSERS LOSERS LOSERS

    Hail to King Henry.Once a Gooner always a Gooner

  510. The funniest posts of the year were those on LG where they were slating AW for not playing Song in the semi final of the FA Cup. After they had spent 4 to 5 months from August slating Song.

  511. Luke

    You think Cesc will be a bench warmer in this Barca team? Not likely. But I think the time has not yet come , but if we go any season without winning anything, doubts will creep into the players mind, so it is imperative that we challenge well the coming season.

    We Are The Arsenal!!!

  512. Hey Loser Fergie where”s your European cup gone?To the Nou Camp thats where.You and your team are just not good enough.You can win the title for the next 10 years but unless you win the Champions League you have failed.

  513. Agree with frank
    Barca most certainly do pass backwards and sideways, anywhere in fact that retains possession. What game did some people watch?
    They remind me of a north London club……

    Agree with Muppet
    no stamina, It makes me sooooo madddd……arggghhhhh!!!!!!!!!@*#!

    Not surprised so many ex or possible Arsenal players at Barca and Cesc at Arsenal, surley the styles of both teams show what kind of player is needed to produce such football, no brainer?

  514. This argument is what baffles me…

    A player that is 20/21 years old is expected to match consistently, no, is expected to evn be better than his above 24 years old conterpart?

    So if a player is not zinadine zidane in his prime when he is 20 years old, he should never play football again?

    I am very glad barca won and even kept a clean sheet is an added bonus cos I predicted 2-1 to them

  515. It’s attitudes to Song which proves the irrational bias against Denilson. Song is now appreciated because of his height and his physical strength. But because they have convinced themselves that Denilson is “too lightweight” they won’t accept the clear quality of his contributions.

    I remember that the Online Gooner or some other blogger wrote a headline saying that if Song is a Premier League footballer, then he’s a mop stick.

    I can’t count how many times I heard people say that Song is not good enough to play in the Premier League, and is the worst Arsenal midfielder ever.

    It is breathtaking that he’s now a matchwinner and world-beater! And no credit to Wenger who saw his ability, stuck with him and keeps developing him.

  516. Anyone notice the difference in Messi”s Header last night and RVP”s v Man Utd and Stoke.C”mon Robin practice you heading.Messi does

  517. Arsenal should be proud today.Because if we were not a FEEDER club for Barca would they be so successful.Overmars,Petit,Van Bronkhust,Henry,Silvinho,Toure and Helb have all played for Barca in the last 10 years.If only Greedy had joined them last summer that would have put an end to their success. Lets hope we can swop him for Messi this summer

  518. Team Spirit

    I agree with you as 20/21 year while he can be very good at times can not match the consistency of older players. It is what we call maturity.

    Now I pose to you all another question, has Cesc improved this season over last season overall? My take on this is no, he has not improved. This begs the question why? could it be a lost of form, lethargy from the European nations cup or injury. But could it be that he does not have players better than him to learn from? It may not be exactly the same but as I, a lousy tennis player but with the basic skills , if I keep playing with better players , I inevitably will improve than when I play with poor players. That is natural for badminton, tennis, and table tennis, games which I play often. The same could somewhat be said about football, we need older better players to mentor even a player like Cesc. So I put it to you all that Arsenal need to seriuosly review their over 30 policy. Some players are worth keeping but not all though (Sylvestre comes to mind) , I am thinking more like Pires and Henry without the angst or even Sol.

    WE Are The Arsenal!!!!

  519. Thierry Henry”s words after the final say all you need to know about the great man “Arsenal are always in my heart and my blood” Thanks Thierry you are always in our hearts

  520. I fully agree that the over 30 policy needs to be riviewed to max 2 years… some deserve one, others two… We would have been better of keeping Pires for instance at the time he left, yet be sure that some of these same fans bigging up wanted him out, he had lost pace blah blah blah.

    This matter of learning from a better player than u can also go into a cyclic loop, so who does the best player of them all learn from?

    Football is a team game adn understanding your team mates help, this barca team have been together for a while even the great man henry barring injuries has fared better in his second season than the first, cos i believe that he has learnt to flow with his team mates better… team spirit plays a great role in how a team perform, each working for the other and all that.

    Cesc injury lay off affected his form more than anything else, also his partnership wigh Hleb and Rosicky and also flamini would have gone up another level if all had been in th =e same team ths season.

    Watch how much better Cesc, Arshavin, Nasri, Rosicky and Van P in the same team consistently next season will do. How many times have these played together as a team? Compare this to how long the Barca midfield has been together for example…

  521. I fully agree that the over 30 policy needs to be riviewed to max 2 years… some deserve one, others two… We would have been better of keeping Pires for instance at the time he left, yet be sure that some of these same fans bigging up wanted him out, he had lost pace blah blah blah.

    This matter of learning from a better player than u can also go into a cyclic loop, so who does the best player of them all learn from?

    Football is a team game adn understanding your team mates help, this barca team have been together for a while even the great man henry barring injuries has fared better in his second season than the first, cos i believe that he has learnt to flow with his team mates better… team spirit plays a great role in how a team perform, each working for the other and all that.

    Cesc injury lay off affected his form more than anything else, also his partnership with Hleb and Rosicky and also flamini would have gone up another level if all had been in th =e same team ths season.

    Watch how much better Cesc, Arshavin, Nasri, Rosicky and Van P in the same team consistently next season will do. How many times have these played together as a team? Compare this to how long the Barca midfield has been together for example…

  522. Sorry about the double posts…

  523. I like your double posts, Team Spirit. Oh sorry, I didn’t mean. Well,you know? I just meant that I enjoyed reading it twice.

  524. Looking back over some predictions I posted on ACLF last August, here’s some I got right (sort of):

    - Eboue will finally come good.
    - an aging Toure will be edged out of the starting line-up by a strong Djourou/Gallas partnership. (this one isn’t entirely correct – and I was stupid to put it down to “aging”)
    - Walcott’s development will reach a temporary plateau of being above average (for his level), but he will also show more consistency.
    - Fabregas might have a bit of a wobbly season. He’ll still put in a handful of exemplary match-winning performances, but I just have a gut feeling that he will struggle to maintain his consistency this year. However if the team can learn to be just as effective without Cesc as with Cesc, then that is a good thing.
    - Van Persie will stay fit and score more goals than Adebayor this season.
    - Armand Traore who? Kieran Gibbs (if he doesn’t get loaned out) will make that left-back position his own during the Carling Cup. (never would’ve thought he’d make it his own in the FA Cup as well though!)
    - We will not fall apart at the end of the season like last, rather this time, we will start the season in a very low gear, gradually building up more momentum towards the end. Consistency in defense with the likes of Djourou and Song will give us more confidence protecting 1-0 leads.

    And some I got very wrong:

    - Toure will play more in midfield
    - lack of back-up for the full-backs will be most costly when injuries strike the team
    - A renewed Rosicky would give us a boost in the second half of the season
    - Bischoff would break into the first team and blow everyone away (lol)

  525. No selling of any player if it can be helped and keep all together, they can only get better

  526. Frank LOL… I kinda understand

  527. …One thing I noticed since Barca’s victory is the back-flips the English media have been making. Prior to the game, they were sycophants extolling the super-heroes at Manu and the genius of Ferguson. Today, without fail, Barcelona is the best in football, not just Europe, according to one headline…The truth is they are utterly hypocritical. How long will it take them to extol the virtues of English grit and a true English spine? To extol the virtues of Big Sam’s cloggers who are giving players like Wacott a kicking.

    One more thing: How about that big no-nonsense Defensive Midfielder, Brusquets and that steely-eyed towering Central Defender, Vidic?

  528. shotta, it will take too much effort even for the lazy journos of english media to find fault with the game of yesterday…

    It was too clean, no controversy and if there was ever a pen not given, then it would have been to barca and not man u.

    Well done to the ref and his assistants

  529. Hi London, Pz, Frank … To be honest I don’t know enough about Spain, and should not have made that comment. There is a romantic notion, that’s all, with the idea of regions asserting ‘local identity’ as a form of resistance. I did not know in Andalucia there was a majority in favour of the Flange, I know the war there was bitter. Anyway, blissful ignorance, and I stand to be corrected.

    Thanks.

    Having said that I really enjoyed the game, especially the way Barca had confidence to ride the early onslaught and dominate to such a degree. There are lots of happy gunners around here this morning coz they all support Barca.

    I think psychologically the match is important to younger Arsenal players, to see how the passing game outwits and outplays the ‘defensive discipline’ game, as played by ‘the best team in England’. It helps too when the referee is fair.

    Arsenal, with their current players can emulate Barca’s success (not Barca as such, coz we are Arsenal) this year, take on and beat the best.

    I was surprised Hleb could not make the bench.

  530. Yogi has a new post.

  531. Zim, yeah over here in Nigeria, the average gunner is by default a Barca fan, and i know they wold have been yesterday alone even if just for the gloating of the Man U fans over their semi final victory

  532. Yeah Team Spirit, from this distance, Arsenal equates to Barca (in style and some other factors), while Read Madrid equates to ManU/Chelsea – smug and arrogant.


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