Apologies for the absence of a post yesterday but work got in the way. A shame really because the draft was truly insightful but you’ll have to make do with the usual tosh this morning. And what a morning it is. Excited? Betcha by golly wow, yes indeedy. In a curiously perverse way, a semi-final can fill you with more adrenalin than a final. Until the Final comes around that is.
Much of this morning’s press is filled with analysis of why Chelsea are the stronger team but I should think Arsene is quite happy with that. When he surveys the wreckage of his first choice defence, I would imagine he is happy for anything that brings a smile to his face. Out are his first choice right, left and centre back. Add the second choice left back to that little list as well. Well, not entirely as Kieran Gibbs has a fitness test to pass before a final decision over whether Song drops back with Silvestre moving to the left back berth. If that happens, a match filled with interesting tussles will be missing perhaps the most personal of all, with the battle for midfield deprived of Song v Essien, Part Two. The opening salvo was allegedly fought over the heart of the daughter of a ‘controversial’ 80s footballer and far be it for me to say who won, for I will not stoop to such depths…
The defensive frailties are about the only area where Arsene should have concerns. Further up the pitch, he has pretty much his strongest squad available. If Song does retreat, Diaby will be the natural replacement, ahead of Denilson. A shame for the Brazilian really for he has been one of the consistent performers for Arsene this season. However, Arsene let it be known that Diaby was his first choice to partner Fabregas last season before Flamini stepped up to the plate and little appears to have changed this season, the Frenchman a seemingly automatic pick when he has returned from injury. It is that part which he must overcome if he is to live up to his potential but the history of football is littered with players who have missed chunks of a season only to turn up at the ‘business end’ and turn in stellar performances to drive a team to glory. Diaby can do that; equally so can Denilson, providing a solid backdrop to Cesc’s flair.
The key decision for Wenger is who makes way for Arshavin. Walcott can run Cole ragged with his pace on the right yet the Russian can turn him inside out. Hiddink will be only too aware of that danger. In truth, I suspect it will be Nasri who is relegated to the bench, giving Arshavin a run at Bosingwa, who has apparently returned to training.
The battle between the forward and defensive lines will be crucial this afternoon. Arsenal’s injury woes make theirs more fragile, on paper at least. Yet in the past two games, Chelsea have conceded seven goals which will give the Arsenal forwards encouragement whilst Chelsea will draw the same from the eight they have scored, especially since four came against a defence which is lauded as being as robust as the Arsenal back four have been this year.
Wenger hit the nail on the head when he said yesterday:
We have no reason to panic, we have a good reason to feel strong and determined and show we have the requested quality
That is going to be key today; maintaining the form and belief that has previously been evident. Arsenal has nothing to fear from Chelsea. They have quality players but so do we. As Robin van Persie observed:
We know the differences will be very small in winning and losing
More importantly, the players know that they can retrieve a deficit against a team who had developed a little bit of an Indian Sign since Abramovich’s money had arrived in all it’s brazen depravity. The turnaround at Stamford Bridge earlier this season should not be dismissed as irrelevant, given the different competitions. For an under strength Arsenal side, it was a confidence booster, a well upon which to draw and flourish. Fortune favours the brave – this team possess that quality.
Enjoy the match wherever you are watching it. Play nicely people. ‘til Tomorrow.























Come On Arsenal !
By: Matty on April 18, 2009
at 10:02 am
Come on Arsenal ! There are goals to be scored, waiting to see Arshavin slicing open Chelski!
By: clash on April 18, 2009
at 10:05 am
3rd?
Go Arsenal !!!!! gonna b a really gud match 2day. i think this is going to be v.close as both sides are up for it. hope gibbs passes his fitness test as his forward runs will be an added weapon:) Are the highlights goin to be on Motd?
By: KM on April 18, 2009
at 10:10 am
oh & some other good news.gerrard is out for another week- yes!!!!!
By: KM on April 18, 2009
at 10:12 am
Oh 2 B, Oh 2 Be a Gooner…
The Owl is going to tear into some little blue bunnies on the pitch this afternoon!
By: noah a-b on April 18, 2009
at 10:12 am
hatrick!!!
By: KM on April 18, 2009
at 10:13 am
noah!!!!!u’v ruined the hatrick !!!!:)
By: KM on April 18, 2009
at 10:14 am
hatrick for definate!
By: KM on April 18, 2009
at 10:14 am
…nice work, YW….I am off to see if I can get this experiment underway….
ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 10:19 am
…..Zimpaul, ConsolsBob…post your comments again on todays blog….brilliant…what stars…
ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 10:24 am
Basically, some (I now think a minority) of Arsenal supporters have managed to convince themselves – under the influence of media – that a contingent of stalwart young Arsenal players are not as able as their ‘older and established’ counterparts at ‘big clubs’ … it’s a kind of inferiority complex.
AW has fought to overcome this with belief and respect, and no little spirit.
Later, all Arsenal supporters will come to appreciate the immense achievement and skills in this team, personified by Denilson, Song, Diaby, Eboue and Ade as well as the recognised players Cesc, AA, Theo, RvP, Kolo etc …
There will be set-backs and each one pounced upon by the cynics, but this won’t change the direction. AW, normally cautious, is already amazed by the spirit, energy and skill unleashed.
Today is not ‘make or break’ as blogs would have us think, it is just a step on the road.
C’MON GUNNERS
By: ZimPaul on April 18, 2009
at 10:35 am
A bit off topic but quite funny. I hope Yogi doesn’t censor it.
This is TalkShite Radio.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/9/2/2078214/TalkShiteRadio.mp3
Credit: Arsebloger
By: TalkShiteRadio on April 18, 2009
at 10:35 am
Thnaks for the heads up, Frank. Am reposting. Do you know, you are not a bad sort at all really?
I thought Old Red Noses’ attack on Benitez for showing disrespect to his brown nosed acolyte, Fat Sam, was interesting.
While I am sure that he wants an opportunity to get under Benitez’s skin, can it be a coincidence that another member of the Fat Sam camp, Breakdown, claims that Arsene showed him ‘disrespect’?
No. I think this is an attempt to raise the ‘respect issue’ to another level with the FA, presumably, due to adjudicate on the matter. I can just see Breakdown and Fat Sam rubbing their hands as their Champion enters the lists.
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 10:37 am
Also sickening was the piece by Henry Winter in the DT today. He basically says that Arsene is now ‘back in credit’. That Song and Denilson have improved immeasureably. He is a ‘renaisance man’. Some, says Winter, doubted Wenger’s transfer policy and predicted that he would be sacked.
The inference is that Winter was never one of those poor fools who failed to appreciate Arsene’s genius. He writes as a ‘respected’ journalist for a ‘quality’ newspaper.
He is a liar. I have read his pieces attempting to undermine our club. I have seen and heard him on TV dismissing us with casual disdain. He is also guilty of the undbelievably ’soapy’ piece last week on St Stevie and the scouse ‘family’.
F*ck off Winter along with the rest of your revisionist colleagues who now want to share in the glory of our great club. F*ck right off.
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 10:38 am
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By: linkfeedr » Blog Archive » Arsenal v Chelsea - Semi Final Preview - RSS Indexer (beta) on April 18, 2009
at 10:42 am
….excellent, Zimpaul….
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 10:44 am
hiddink admiring arsenal fc:)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/chelsea/5173230/Guus-Hiddink-says-Chelsea-should-model-themselves-on-Arsenal.html
i really like hiddink. i think he is the man we should go for if/when wenger leaves.
By: KM on April 18, 2009
at 10:46 am
….I agree with ConsolsBob…..you are a star,CB….and Winter is an arsehole…..
…..and Kelsey is a puffs name…
ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL
….phew…sorry a bit out of breath…
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 10:47 am
Any man who would handle the Chavs is not for us KM. Can you imagine the state of his hands?
Just the thought of him getting anywhere near young Theo is enough for me to want to call the police.
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 10:59 am
Attack is the best form of defence. We should go at the CHAVs and put them under pressure from the very beginning. So I’ll go for Diaby/Cesc combo to bring more attacking and creativity to the middle.
The LM and RM should be falling back to support LB and RB in defence when we lose the ball.
I’m sure Gibbs will play at LB. The only changes will be Arshavin coming in for Nasri and Diaby for Song.
Game over, 2:0 to the Arsenal.
By: Howard on April 18, 2009
at 11:03 am
Henry Sphincter is a know nothing hypocrite.
What`s the story YW alludes to with Song & Essien ?
I think Diaby has to play today just to get some height in our team. Chelski are a big danger at set plays & we`re a little on the short side.
By: Paulie Walnuts on April 18, 2009
at 11:05 am
consolbob…..football is a funny game:)
By: KM on April 18, 2009
at 11:07 am
Due to the frailties of health/confidence to ours/chelsea’s defence the score could end up being a cricket score in AW’s terms like 6-4 (tennis score?!) in our favour! Chelsea literally have their strongest XI available for selection, while our injury problems are well documented. Whats is disappointing though is that the injuries have been hitting the same department – earlier it was our attack force that was in the treatment room, now it’s the defence. Nevertheless should be an entertaining match, come on you Gunners!
By: Siva on April 18, 2009
at 11:20 am
To all you lovely folks who are joining our family of love at Wemberley today, please remember to wear something red.
See you there. (I’ll be the one in red).
COME ON ARSENAAAAL!
By: davebluez on April 18, 2009
at 11:24 am
I really would like to know what you meant witht the Essien/Song story, seeing as how I know Song has 2 children, is the mother of those what they were fighting over?
By: haho on April 18, 2009
at 11:26 am
the boys should go there and enjoy themselves pressure is on Chelsky since there are the favorite in the eyes of the world.
By: Bigbrovar on April 18, 2009
at 11:27 am
I see us passing circles around the old men today.
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 18, 2009
at 11:33 am
I think so too Queenie. It just seems that as we are on an upward curve they are going in the other direction. I think this is true of our current situation and the longer term directions of the two clubs.
Chelsea are ageing. Sometimes they seem to be playing from memory and a determination to show that they are not past their best. They are though.
We are the reverse. Playing desperately above our expectations of young players and now reaching a high level of consistency and excellence.
Like your man Pz, I suspect that they are more frightened of us than we are of them. The same goes for those massive pretenders manu, by the way.
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 11:45 am
so infinite games unbeaten
less dan zero goals conceded
blah blah…..
but this is the match now which matter
we knew arsenal will go past thru roma nad villareal
now are d teams which if we defeat
we will be called d reformed team
d team which can have real cofidence next season
d unbeaten run started with chelsh*t
dis is d cruncho time man…
By: .ade on April 18, 2009
at 11:49 am
i think chelsea are getting older……but they are still at their peak & i think they will have some fresh blood this year. chelsea are still a great side though, their still in the fa cup, champs lge & 3rd in the league ahead of us. i think nxt season if we add a few more experienced players (hopefully a good DM & CB & CF? ) we can claim the title.
By: KM on April 18, 2009
at 11:50 am
Shock the arrogant b#s#ards lads.
Shock Chelsea
Then shock United!
Time to deliver!
By: Danny on April 18, 2009
at 11:52 am
@ cb
dun we expect even reaching d fa & cl semis every
whatever arsenal team is playing
let its avg age b less dan 10
so pz dun say dat dis team has done sumthmg out f d blue
now anythng from here n den u can say dat somethng unexpected has hapnd
By: .ade on April 18, 2009
at 11:53 am
i’d love it if we won FA Cup & Champions League!
By: KM on April 18, 2009
at 11:57 am
If I read you right Ade, you think that I am saying that our success is unexpected.
Nope. That was not my point.
KM. You still believe that we need three new players, including a forward and a central midfielder? Good Grief, there won’t be room in the stadium for them, never mind the dressing room.
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 11:57 am
CB – i think we need another CB for defo. DM cos i dnt think diaby is a dm – he’s more of a cm/am he doesnt havent the instincts of a DM. CF cos bendtner is a retard/heskey type of player. i hope i’m wrong in regards to Bendtner….
By: KM on April 18, 2009
at 12:07 pm
Consols, Frank et al: The revisionism in the media want to make my blood boil. Seasoned journalists like Winter are some of the most bare-faced hypocrites on this earth. There is not even a hint of apology for their casual dimissal of AW and this team earlier in the season. None of them saw this coming. In fact they joined the hyenas baying for AW’s blood and for Song, Denilson, Eboue et al to be sacrificed. They were the echo-chamber, stirring the shit, that climaxed with the booing of Eboue at our own stadium, which I regard as the nadir of our season. Now they hop on the bandwaggon with their sly, gratuitous praises, hoping their hypocrisy will go un-noticed.
Thank god for YW and ACLF. G
Go Arsenal! Chelsea today! FA cup tomorrow!
By: shotta-gunna on April 18, 2009
at 12:11 pm
KM,
Have you learnt nothing this season!
You no-marks are stubborn sods!
Clueless/Soulless
By: Danny on April 18, 2009
at 12:11 pm
KM: Can you stop writing cack. Defensive Midfielder, Centre Back, Forward and now a new manager. Sonny….why don’t you stick to Football Manager. This is a place of sanity, not fantasy.
By: shotta-gunna on April 18, 2009
at 12:14 pm
I’m with Zimpaul on this ; win or lose today, it’s not make or break. For Arsenal, it is just the beginning of what should be a journey full of great football, in a great spirit, with ultimately lots of silverware dotted throughout the next few years.
In fact, the players who face the make or break situation for the rest of the season are in the blue corner – they are the far older group of players and they are the ones who will have an impatient Russian billionaire and a brand new manager looking to spend his ill-gotten money this summer. The pressure is on them, not us.
I think it is fair to say we are underdogs today, mainly due to the defensive injuries (as much as we rate the replacements) – but we all know we ahve the ability to out-score them. I could see 4 or 5 goals in this game today.
I agree Diaby should play, his height is needed.
I think the freshness of Fab, Theo and AA will be the deciding factor. 3-1 the the Arsenal.
And yes Consols, I choked on my cheerios this morning reading Winter in the DT. He has spouted a lot of bollocks on the Sunday Supplement this season. Revisionist twat.
By: Matty on April 18, 2009
at 12:24 pm
KM. Keep the faith mate.
re Bendy, i don’t hope you’re wrong, i know you’re wrong.
(And anyway, he is probably the best 4th choice forward in the EPL).
By: Matty on April 18, 2009
at 12:26 pm
off to the game now , my first time in the new Wembley. “Excited” doesn’t do it justice.
Come On Arsenal !!
By: Matty on April 18, 2009
at 12:43 pm
I hope that you have a truly outstanding day Matty. If you do, we all will.
I do think we will tonk the chavs but also agree that it is a ‘no lose’ day for us, whatever the result. We are on the verge of great, great things. For the chavs, the party is nearly over.
Good to see you Shotta, keeping your guns firing!
As your compatriot would say, No Fear!
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 1:11 pm
This is not make or break; how could it be with a team as young as ours?
It is important that the team wins something though as the experience of winning a trophy could really open up the floodgates in terms of winning more trophies in the future. You can see this in Graham’s team after they won the CC in 87 or Rednoses’s United who won the same competition in 1992.
I don not think that this will be a low scoring game somehow and I think that we will prevail. The key is stopping Drogba who has been responsible for most of the hurt that they have caused us in recent years – CC Final,last year at the bridge in the League, ruining Big Phil.
Arshavin to destroy them.
Come on Arsenal!
By: Alex Ice Cream on April 18, 2009
at 1:24 pm
basically SPOT ON. Whether win or lose, this tema have alrasy prove their dounters wrong. Many had already expeted them to finish 6th and be out of all competitions by now.
I feel we will go all the way in the cups though, its the only way people especially the media, can grudgingly or otherwise stop harassing this team.
The media is already afraid of the team hence you see that they have started to praie the team ahead of time so they dont look too odd when the trophies come in.
They will buy themselves some space with wining at least a trophy this season cos i feel for them when there is so much pressure on a young team who is getting to know themselves and gradually gelling with that.
In a team game, playing more and more with your team mates can only make you better, but people choose not to see that denilson and song are in the first team in full blast for the very first season
Truly No Fear!
Arsenal 2 Chelsea 0
By: team spirit on April 18, 2009
at 1:27 pm
this tema have alrasy prove their dounters = this team has already proved their doubters
By: team spirit on April 18, 2009
at 1:28 pm
..and there was me thinking that you had invented a new language ts.
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 1:34 pm
team spirit,
I agree. I have doubted this team and I freely admit that I didn’t think they would get as far in the CL and develop at the rate that they have done and are still doing.
Even if the team wins nothing this season (please no) I still think that they have proved a point and are further in their development than many expected that they would be.
By: Alex Ice Cream on April 18, 2009
at 1:34 pm
Will we see another Drogba offside goal this afternoon? He made an industry of scoring offside goals against us in the last 5 years.
You know, people say Arsene is a whinger. I think he doesn’t whinge enough. If I were the manager I’d make sure that fact is on the refs’ mind. I am tired of our games with them being decided by offside goals.
2-0 to the mighty Arsenal.
By: Ole Gunner on April 18, 2009
at 1:36 pm
3.5 hrs to go….
By: KM on April 18, 2009
at 1:39 pm
Almunia
Eboue Toure Silvestre Gibbs
Walcott Diaby Fabregas Arshavin
Adebayor Eduardo/RVP
Bench: Mannone, Song, RVP, Denilson, Nasri, Vela, Bendtner
I’ll play Eddy because he’s fresh, and the FA Cup is his competition.
By: Ole Gunner on April 18, 2009
at 1:43 pm
shotta-gunna – i didnt ask for a new manager! dnt know how u dreamt that one up. i said earlier IF/WHEN wenger does leave we shud consider hiddink as i like his work.
re.bendtner i hope i’m wrong but if not we hav vela as the 4th choice striker
By: KM on April 18, 2009
at 1:50 pm
Does anyone know what the situation is if it ends in a draw? Is there still a replay and will it be at Wembley, or will they do extra time and penalties?
R
By: F. Frederick Skitty on April 18, 2009
at 1:52 pm
Morning all,
I am really excited…. it feels like this could be our week…..great post ZP and bob…why read newspapers and so-called ‘pundits’ when we have you guys!!
Ole Gunner no Song in the line-up??
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 1:58 pm
skitty – a draw would mean a reply at wembley with chelsea the home side
By: KM on April 18, 2009
at 2:03 pm
Maria,
I’ll go for Diaby because he’s fresh and he’s good in the air. He also played in that final in 2007 with Theo and Cesc. I’ll rotate Song and keep his injury free since he’s our only back up in case of injury to the centrebacks. In any case, if Gibbs didn’t pass his fitness test this morning, then Song would feature in central defence anyway.
By: Ole Gunner on April 18, 2009
at 2:04 pm
big big game for song!! it could be the making of him today. im hoping he wont be brought in at the back for cover, fingers crossed for gibbs. i heard a rumour djorou might be fit….is there any truth in that does anyone know?
By: jimmy on April 18, 2009
at 2:05 pm
I have been trying unsuccessfully to distract myself with work all day. I have now given up and I surrender myself to Arsenalism.
COYG!!!!!
By: FunGunner on April 18, 2009
at 2:06 pm
I quite fancy a reprise of the Denilson/Diaby/Fabregas combination which ran rings around Chelsea at the Carling. I agree that this is definitely a game for Diaby, in any case.
By: FunGunner on April 18, 2009
at 2:08 pm
COME ON YOU GUNNERS!
Let’s hear the singing over the tv like we did against the Yellow Submarine! What an atmosphere. Everyone who goes to the game needs to sing their hearts out.
Consols, great post. I agree, we are definitely on an upward trajectory. These kids have no fear, and nor should they! They can beat anyone now and they know it.
COME ON YOU REDS!!
By: Gris Gris on April 18, 2009
at 2:10 pm
…well the experiment failed….never even got started……and I have just been chased twice around Wembley in a clockwise direction by policemen with their trousers tucked into their Doc Martins……a la Buster Keaton and the Keystone Cops…..luckily I managed to hide under a burger van….
….all I did was ask them to help in my experiment….I wanted to prove that Faradays Cage really works….so I asked 15 of them to taser the Chelsea team coach at the same time…..it seems that it is an offense even to f*cking ask….
ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 2:17 pm
I am not positive but think Yogi was talking about the game between Song and Essein in the ACN….stand to be corrected though….
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 2:22 pm
Bloody Hell!
I’ve planted beans, put mesh on a new bed, made bread, pickled eggs, fussed in the greenhouse and IT’S STILL ONLY 14.42!!!!
Nothing for it, I’ll have to get the strimmer out.
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 2:43 pm
Consolsbob – can’t agree more re: Henry Winters. I actually used to quite like him but this season he’s got his head so far up Ferguson’s arse I don’t think that a team of surgeons could help. He’s quoted as saying that ManU’s squad this season is the greatest ever. What utter bollocks. This season ManU are a good team but in my opinion were superior last season and if their squad is so good why does the defence collapse when you take Ferdinand out of it?
By: Marc on April 18, 2009
at 2:48 pm
Bob – Have a beer, chill out.
By: Marc on April 18, 2009
at 2:49 pm
LOL Frank…u might have asked for too many policeman mate…sick to 11!
AIC @1:24, u make a good point. This is so not a make or break game. Only to the non-believers @ the Press f**koffs!!
I’d only play Diaby if he’s been phenomenal in training. Otherwise stick to the indomitable lion Alexandre Song. He’s been our best player over the last 3-4 matches.
This should be real interesting. Chelsea’s fully stacked, especially having Essien back makes them dangerous but….we are the Arsenal, and f**king hell, we are stacked too!!!!!
AA makes his debut Chelsea/Wembley match!—-oooh wee, can’t wait.
Playing the duel-of-brawn with Liverpool should have tenderized their pro-wrestling muscles somewhat. AW might just throw in a joker….in the shape of an Eduardo Da Silva to shake things up later in the game.
But I like Hiddink quite a lot. I bet AA would love to score a fantastic goal against his national team coach.
ARSENAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!
3-1…bring on the Toffees!
By: Aman on April 18, 2009
at 2:49 pm
My biggest worry today is who will be the victim of Terry’s 2 footed, potential leg breaking challenge that’s only punished by a yellow card that he seems to perform every time we play Chelsea.
I really hope that he gets the clap.
By: Marc on April 18, 2009
at 2:52 pm
COME ON ARSENAL!!!!
By: Marc on April 18, 2009
at 2:54 pm
CORRECTIONS:
stick to 11 policemen Frank
only to the non-belivers & the Press f**koffs!
By: Aman on April 18, 2009
at 2:58 pm
It will be interesting to see what Henry Winter has to say if ManU end up losing the league to Liverpool, CL to us or Barcelona and the FA cup to us or Everton and only end up winning the Mickey Mouse cup.
By: Marc on April 18, 2009
at 3:04 pm
MAYBE:
Fabianski
Eboue-Toure-Song-Silvestre
Denilson
Nasri-Fabregas-AA
RvP-Adebayor
Mannone, Nasri, EDS, Diaby,Walcott, Bendtner, Hoyte.
By: Aman on April 18, 2009
at 3:12 pm
Marc…on’t forget their ‘wordchampions’ aswell…double winners already…lol…
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 3:12 pm
Spot on thrice, Marc.
I’ve had a beer, manu are not as good as last year and Winter is a a dongler on Fergie’s arse.
BUT IT’S STILL ONLY 15.13!!!
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 3:13 pm
I’ve just remembered! You don’t get away with that Maria. Being all complimentary about my post today, trusting that I’d forget that you told one of your old ‘mates’ the other day that I was an old ‘fuddy’.
Oh, no! I remember, oh yes.
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 3:16 pm
Consols…
Such intimacy is really not pleasant to know.. You and your lovely wife should keep your intamacy intimate.
Please ~ “It’s beyond the pale”.
By: Ponyboy on April 18, 2009
at 3:16 pm
Up already Pb? It’s not dark yet.
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 3:17 pm
dammit..intimacy..
bag o’ nerves…
By: Ponyboy on April 18, 2009
at 3:17 pm
Hoyte’s on loan at Watford.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 3:18 pm
Consolsbob – I’m trying to think up a team comprising the most odious players playing in the PL at the moment.
GK – Can’t think of one.
LB – Cashley
RB – G Neville
CB – John Terry
CB – Suggestions please
LM – Diouf
CM – P Neville
CM – Roy Keane – I know he’s not playing at the moment bu t he gets special dispensation.
RM – Ronaldo
CF – Kevin “Elbows” Davies
CF – Rooney
Manager – Sam Allardyce
Ass Manager – Phil Breakdown
Anyone got any better ideas?
By: Marc on April 18, 2009
at 3:19 pm
Hehe.. seeing as there’s so much fear around..thought a little more could do no harm..
Am going back to the cellar soon…
By: Ponyboy on April 18, 2009
at 3:20 pm
Well, could Breakdown possibly go in goal, Marc ? Just to make it official.. He would love the sunlight!
By: Ponyboy on April 18, 2009
at 3:22 pm
Ponyboy – Do you think that Breakdown lays under those lights they use to encourage the grass to grow on the pitch to save money on sunbeds?
By: Marc on April 18, 2009
at 3:24 pm
@ cb
f I read you right Ade, you think that I am saying that our success is unexpected.
m sorry bro… but der is no success aint..
der is no “success” leave d pt of it being unexpected
sorry for late reply
By: .ade on April 18, 2009
at 3:25 pm
Most odious players :
GK – van der Sar
LB – Evra
CB – Vidic
CB – Ferdinand
RB – G Neville
LM – Nani
CM – Carrick
CM – Scholes
CF – Rooney
CF – Welbeck
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 3:27 pm
I like the idea of Phil Breakdown as ‘ass’ manager!
By: Passenal on April 18, 2009
at 3:27 pm
P.S. whoever was asking about replays, there won’t be one it has to be decided today, ET and penalties!
By: Passenal on April 18, 2009
at 3:28 pm
Oh he is..thanks Pz.
Then we def need a defender on the bench. Really hope Sagna ad/or Gibbs are fit enough to play.
By: Aman on April 18, 2009
at 3:28 pm
btw
i ws jus watchin ucl vs liverpool firt leg of d last year
so many goals we missed we cud have finished d game in d first leg
dose memories haunt back sometimes
i mean what if under pressure our finishing goes off target
and den we blame d ref for penalties
By: .ade on April 18, 2009
at 3:28 pm
My Team to play Chelsea:
Fabianski.
Eboue- Kolo- Sylvestre- Gibbs.
Walcott- Fabregas- Song- Arshavin.
RVP- ADE. 4-4-2.
2-1, Arsenal.
If no Gibbs, then Diaby to partner Cesc and Song to partner Kolo, Sylvestre moving to left.
We should be ok!
By: lc on April 18, 2009
at 3:29 pm
Good post Yogi.We will have to be on top of our game today Chelsea will be up for it .I believe we will win 2-1 ,AA to score.
By: trinigooner on April 18, 2009
at 3:32 pm
oh my darling bob, i am almost certain that it was pb impersonating me again….damn him….i mean 50 is like the new 40 right??
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 3:33 pm
Breakdown only likes well-tanned asses in his team.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 3:33 pm
CB – Suggestions please
That Chris Morgan guy at Sheffield United. An absolute coward: punched RvP in the ribs 2 seasons back and took Dudu out after he scored against them in the CC last year.
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 3:36 pm
I think Diaby will play today but will Wenger opt for a 4-5-1 to counter Chelsea’s midfield threat?
Also if Gibbs is out Song is likely to play CB but Wenger will like to see Silvestre there to challenge Drogba in the air.
Still, hoping for a win!
By: The Brain on April 18, 2009
at 3:36 pm
Well, I am sure that you are right Maria.
Such a sweet girl as you wouldn’t make fun of a mature individual such as myself. Ponyboy on the other hand…
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 3:38 pm
Marc –
That’s quite likely..but have a suspicion he gets those weird pills from the net.
PZ ~ Why Van de Saar ? Has he done something bad we don’t know about, apart from playing for that w@nker’s team ?
Ok..strolling down to the offie – a Shepherd Neame for Consols, bottle of Vodka for Poliziano..
And a small glass of milk for Passenal, who is annoyingly calm and relaxed…:-)
By: Ponyboy on April 18, 2009
at 3:38 pm
Have got the FEAR!!!
By: Ponyboy on April 18, 2009
at 3:39 pm
Marc, I’d put Lumpard in CF rather than Keane. CB, I’d go with Ferdinand.
Mind you it is quite hard to second guess Pz on this one.
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 3:40 pm
Okay, Maria, a Bacardi for you, Sugababe!!
By: Ponyboy on April 18, 2009
at 3:40 pm
No Fear!
Where is Paul when you need him?
I must confess to being very unperturbed about the game. I just want it to start.
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 3:41 pm
looool…what no votes for Drogba?? 1st choice for me in th CF position…diving little cheat….
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 3:43 pm
Same here bob…i HATE late kick offs…..
….NO FEAR….
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 3:45 pm
BTW Ade. Sorry but I don’t understand your post. Is it an age thing again? Maria?
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 3:49 pm
I have told you before bob….with an Arsenal team full of youngsters you have to get down witht the yuf of today…….aiight….(that means already btw)…unintentional first lesson….
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 3:58 pm
Me too Consolsbob, I just can’t handle text speak!
Calm and relaxed Ponyboy? If only…
By: Passenal on April 18, 2009
at 4:01 pm
Yes, but what is Ade saying, Maria?
Mind you, I’m in good company it seems. Thanks Passenal. Shall we grow old together? In cyberspace obviously.
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 4:04 pm
Am as mellow as they come, Passenal.. got your milk and a Babycham for Maria..
By: Ponyboy on April 18, 2009
at 4:04 pm
One small happy family…who all wish we were in North London.. Bishop’s Finger, CB ?
By: Ponyboy on April 18, 2009
at 4:06 pm
I am suppose to be writing my disseration…can’t get to a hundred words….i am sooo nervous….i really hope the lads win today revenge for that final were the kids outplayed them but some how won…winning ugly never looked so attractive to me till that day…especially since i am positive that the 1 of their cheating chav fans in the bar stole my phone…5-0 would do me nicely!!!
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 4:09 pm
…grow old togather..hehe….good to see you have more aging to do bob…
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 4:10 pm
this is then……this is one of the biggest games for Arsenal since the INVINCIBLES……April the 18th; what is in a day? 04 18 2009, may it be one of the best days in our illustrious history.
By: space gunner on April 18, 2009
at 4:11 pm
Maria – Disserations can come later!
As a non-Stanta/Sky/Beeb payer… [ yep, you've guessed it.. ?? streams/rivers/ waterfalls?]
By: Ponyboy on April 18, 2009
at 4:12 pm
Man, what is it with nerves and spelling ?
By: Ponyboy on April 18, 2009
at 4:13 pm
Give it 45 minutes I’d say.
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 4:14 pm
I know pb did you download that veetle thingybob..??
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 4:16 pm
AA on the bench. Same defence. Denilson and Diaby in. Song out.
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 4:18 pm
Shhh!
It was a typo. I think Maria meant “beetle”. Did you download beetle?
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 4:18 pm
Oneofus…have you from the game on ‘beetle’??
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 4:19 pm
AA ON THE BENCH???????????????
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 4:20 pm
Gibbs fit then. Interesting midfield. Who would have predicted no AA? Unleash him later I suppose.
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 4:20 pm
that was found….
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 4:21 pm
Ah, that got your attention Maria. Yep.
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 4:21 pm
What’s the dissertation about, Maria? The political philosophy of Arsene Wenger? He’s chums with Blair, you know. I’m not sure he’d find many disciples on here. Too left wing for the National Review reader, too right wing for the anarcho-socialists, who seem to be in the majority.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 4:23 pm
AV winning 1-0? not impressed
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 4:23 pm
just found it….
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 4:24 pm
Veetle hasn’t worked for ages, Maria..
Nor Iraqgoals.com…
PLEASE not Alan “BLUE” Green …….
By: Ponyboy on April 18, 2009
at 4:24 pm
What’s the dissertation about, Maria? The political philosophy of Arsene Wenger? He’s chums with Blair, you know. I’m not sure he’d find many disciples on here. He’s too left wing for the National Review reader, too right wing for the anarcho-socialists, who seem to be in the majority.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 4:25 pm
give us the line up them bob…
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 4:26 pm
Theo to run him ragged, then AA to run rings ?
By: Ponyboy on April 18, 2009
at 4:26 pm
That’s what you call rotation! Anticipating Hiddink’s tactics for AA perhaps?
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 4:27 pm
pb;
I just found the AV game on Sententa there who are showing the Arsenal match right after it….
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 4:27 pm
Diaby behind the striker….?
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 4:28 pm
Maria..you are becoming a legend ( but beware of Consols… he wants your eggs)..
By: Ponyboy on April 18, 2009
at 4:29 pm
What dull matches around…0-0’s…
Is it the Stoke/Blackburn game, M ?
By: Ponyboy on April 18, 2009
at 4:35 pm
I think that we are going to line up to match Chelsea across midfield.
Is Eduardo on the bench?
PS – Quick note to the physio. If John Terry gets kicked in the face, knocked unconscious and swallows his tongue DO NOT HELP HIM.
By: Marc on April 18, 2009
at 4:38 pm
Nope…. Aston Villa V West Ham
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 4:41 pm
No change up front. Looks a 442.
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 4:44 pm
Whats the full line up Consolsbob?
By: Marc on April 18, 2009
at 4:45 pm
Song and AA both on the bench….two fo our most in form players……am not impressed…
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 4:46 pm
Some please whats the lineup?
By: Marc on April 18, 2009
at 4:48 pm
Fabianski, Eboue, Toure, Silvestre, Gibbs, Walcott, Fabregas, Diaby, Denilson, Van Persie, Adebayor.
Subs: Mannone, Nasri, Vela, Ramsey, Song Billong, Arshavin, Bendtner.
By: GoonerGerry on April 18, 2009
at 4:48 pm
1645: Arsenal v Chelsea line-ups
Arsenal: Fabianski, Eboue, Toure, Silvestre, Gibbs, Walcott, Fabregas, Diaby, Denilson, Van Persie, Adebayor.
Subs: Mannone, Nasri, Vela, Ramsey, Song Billong, Arshavin, Bendtner.
Chelsea: Cech, Ivanovic, Alex, Terry, Ashley Cole, Ballack, Lampard, Essien, Malouda, Anelka, Drogba.
Subs: Hilario, Carvalho, Di Santo, Mikel, Kalou, Belletti, Mancienne.
Referee: Martin Atkinson (W Yorkshire)
By: space on April 18, 2009
at 4:49 pm
Eboue, Toure, Sylvetre,Gibbs
Walcott, Fab, Denilson, Diaby
Ade, RVP.
Couls be a 5 in midfield looking at it I suppose.
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 4:50 pm
sorry GoonerGerry beat me to it
By: space on April 18, 2009
at 4:50 pm
They both beat me to it..
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 4:50 pm
I don’t get why AA and Song aren’t out there.
I wonder if Gibbs will manage the whole game. Is it possible Song’s on the bench so he can replace Gibbs without disturbing the midfield?
By: GoonerGerry on April 18, 2009
at 4:50 pm
we stole your thunder bob
By: space on April 18, 2009
at 4:51 pm
Nasri and Arsh both benched? Where is our creativity? I can’t see the logic of dropping Song either. This is the first time in a long while I’ve been unhappy with the team selected.
By: crafty bison on April 18, 2009
at 4:52 pm
Cheers Space.
Bob – I think that we’re definately going 4-3-3 / 4-5-1 to match up to their midfield.
By: Marc on April 18, 2009
at 4:52 pm
Obviously Arsene knows and if we ever reach enlightenment, we will understand his wisdom.
By: GoonerGerry on April 18, 2009
at 4:52 pm
West Ham have equalised at VP!
By: GoonerGerry on April 18, 2009
at 4:53 pm
No Dudu at all, that’s a shame.
Maria – I’m doing my dissertation too. Mine’s about strawberries. Beat that for pointlessness.
By: crafty bison on April 18, 2009
at 4:53 pm
so who is playing on the left? Diaby? or RVP?
By: space on April 18, 2009
at 4:54 pm
Don’t think so GG he could just as easily drop into defence in needed and put on Denilson on in the DM position
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 4:54 pm
How do the Denilson haters like that?
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 4:57 pm
fulltime 1-1
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 4:58 pm
Well done West Ham.
By: Marc on April 18, 2009
at 4:59 pm
Don’t think so GG he could just as easily drop into defence in needed and put on Denilson on in the DM position
Just a wild guess, Maria
By: GoonerGerry on April 18, 2009
at 4:59 pm
Ha, Ha. Bolton, Blackburn and Hull all lose.
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 4:59 pm
We hate it pz…has me in tears……
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 5:00 pm
Good boost for the fans at Wembley, the AV result!
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 5:00 pm
So far all the results are going teh right way.
COME ON ARSENAL!!!!!
By: Marc on April 18, 2009
at 5:01 pm
….the time is nearly upon us……
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 5:01 pm
.
By: Gunner4Ever on April 18, 2009
at 5:01 pm
How far behind must Villa fall before we stop caring about their results?
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 5:03 pm
Have you had breakfast yet, G4E?
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 5:03 pm
Just thinking about team selection pz, ahead of the champions league games really…and the fact that we have the other 3 big teams to play and may drop points the bigger our buffer zone the better….
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 5:06 pm
I’ve got to admit to scratching my head at the lineup. Song did take a knock on the ankle on Wednesday so perhaps that is the reason he is on the bench. The absence of Arshavin is the biggest surprise for me. He is top class.
Still, Wenger doesn’t need to prove anything to anyone anymore, he has a reason for this lineup, if it doesn’t work then he can change.
COME ON YOU GUNNERS!!!!!
By: Gris Gris on April 18, 2009
at 5:06 pm
any working links that are not on some fancy software like socpast
By: space on April 18, 2009
at 5:07 pm
Poliziano – After all the shit we had to endure and now it looks like they might not even manage 5th, it just makes me smile.
Right here we go.
COME ON ARSENAL!!!!!
By: Marc on April 18, 2009
at 5:08 pm
We love you Arsenal…We do
We love you Arsenal…We do
AaaRrSenal…….We love You
By: Gunner4Ever on April 18, 2009
at 5:09 pm
This horror at the line-up has greatly amused me.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 5:09 pm
veetle…space takes a second to download and is really good!!
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 5:09 pm
There’s not much point trying to second guess Arsene since we don’t know what is really going on with the players. I’m sure there is a plan behind his decisions and we’ll just have to trust that it comes off.
By: Passenal on April 18, 2009
at 5:09 pm
No, not yet Poliziano
By: Gunner4Ever on April 18, 2009
at 5:10 pm
Denilson having been a first choice player all season, I just can’t understand how Wenger can pick him for the F.A Cup semi-final. I can only assume he has decided to concentrate on the Champions League.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 5:15 pm
Exactly, PZ. It’s a disgrace.
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 5:16 pm
a little nervous about the absent of song .. but its alright .. !Arsenal FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By: Bigbrovar on April 18, 2009
at 5:16 pm
Denilson playing = defeat like it has all season…
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 5:17 pm
shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 5:20 pm
NO FEAR!!!!
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 5:22 pm
calm down Ade .. the goals would surely come
By: Bigbrovar on April 18, 2009
at 5:31 pm
I Love Denilson like a brother .. i just wont pick him ahead of song
By: Bigbrovar on April 18, 2009
at 5:33 pm
walllcotttt..goal
By: kaalhoveddk on April 18, 2009
at 5:34 pm
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 5:34 pm
YEAH!!!
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 5:35 pm
assist asscole
By: kaalhoveddk on April 18, 2009
at 5:35 pm
watching from Miami today!!
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 5:38 pm
!Arsenal’s goal came off a deflection* from cashley cole .. once a gunner always a gunner
By: Bigbrovar on April 18, 2009
at 5:38 pm
We need to take all our chances and kill these bitches
By: bigbrovar on April 18, 2009
at 5:43 pm
we could really do with a better keeper .. really really ..
By: bigbrovar on April 18, 2009
at 5:49 pm
Another offside goal?!
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 5:50 pm
Malouda showed his worth with that sign after the goal…what a tosser. Was he showing us what he’s made of? It looked suspicious…
By: Gris Gris on April 18, 2009
at 5:50 pm
weve gone to shit
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 5:52 pm
Kindly f*ck off, Darren.
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 5:54 pm
yep half time cant come sooner
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 5:54 pm
Eboue was watching the ball!
Wake up Diaby!
NO FEAR!!!!
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 5:54 pm
It’s a shame Chelsea can’t play without cheating.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 5:56 pm
We’ve been lucky so far.
By: Non Edible Nacho on April 18, 2009
at 5:56 pm
Oneofus
Why are you being so rude?
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 5:56 pm
This is a doom free zone, Darren.
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 5:58 pm
Diaby is not up to it at present! Arshavin please!
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 5:58 pm
Oneofus
What are you talking about?
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 5:59 pm
“weve gone to shit”
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 6:01 pm
We have gone to shit
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 6:03 pm
We are not playing well but we are second half warriors. I do think we are missing Arshavin! hopefully he is ok.
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 6:04 pm
OMG Silvestre has been an accident waiting to happen everytime I see him play. He is so uncomfortable on the ball and positionally suspect.
By: gackt13 on April 18, 2009
at 6:05 pm
spare yourself some grace fellas by stopping to say things that you will regret after the 90mins….whoever said “we have gone to shit” take note…
By: space on April 18, 2009
at 6:05 pm
I don’t think you get it.
1-1 at HT vs Chelsea with 4 of our backline missing isn’t “gone to shit”.
Enjoy the rest of the game.
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 6:05 pm
Paul…agreed AA on from half time….i really feel sick….
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 6:06 pm
Darren, you’re comments are rubbish. Rather than spout tripe please enlighten us as to your reasoning, that would be better. If you’d like to spout off like that please go to le grove, where there are more of your ilk.
The team is ok. The chavs are not going to lie down and let us dribble through them. Eboue gave Malouda too much space, in my opinion, on the long ball from fat frank. He’s not our first choice right back but is performing fine. Wenger is the best in the world at halftime talks, he will sort it out. The team is tentative, not yet 100% commitment but it will come.
1-1 is a fair result. Neither team has looked spectacular.
COME ON YOU GUNNERS!!
By: Gris Gris on April 18, 2009
at 6:07 pm
you’re = your for Darren
By: Gris Gris on April 18, 2009
at 6:08 pm
very cagey this one….obviously whoever has a better second half wins lets stay positive and you gotta have some belief people….battles like this one are like a game of chess…..strategy, bluffs and then the inevitable sting…i think Wenger is onto something, dont know what though
By: space on April 18, 2009
at 6:08 pm
and I mean 1-1 is fair for the first half!
COME ON YOU REDS
By: Gris Gris on April 18, 2009
at 6:08 pm
Loads of fouling from Chelsea. There could be a red card for one of them in the second half.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 6:09 pm
young Gibbs has been awesome….i just think that there way we have set-up is’nt quite right…..i see diaby roaming around everywhere leaving RVP defending the gibbs on the left…good to see Denilson has fat lamps under control though…
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 6:09 pm
Well all square at half time – I’m surprised at the very slow tempo/lack of atmosphere in the match and crowd. We scored and looked very comfortable in possession with Gibbs especially playing well but then the poor equaliser was out of the blue. Since then we struggled a bit so we need to regroup and re-assert ourselves.
Ade is getting no joy, a bit isolated as the half wore on… I’m still confident though.
By: CJ on April 18, 2009
at 6:09 pm
If Chelsea played chess, they’d throw your pieces on the floor when you aren’t looking.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 6:10 pm
1-1 is about fair so far. Chelsea had the better of it for the last 15 or so. The longer it goes on the more confident we’ll feel: we have younger, fitter players with loads of attacking talent on the bench.
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 6:10 pm
Ballack me thinks…..
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 6:12 pm
oneofus / space
You two are weird. Please do not speak to me again. Thank you
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 6:12 pm
we are the Second half Kings….we can do this!
By: space on April 18, 2009
at 6:12 pm
Yes Gibbs has been the best player on the pitch.
Fabianski has been off.
Watching the replay on the goal makes me so mad. terrible ball watching!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyway, second half belongs to the GUNNERS!!!!!
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 6:13 pm
maria
yes Gibbs ahs been brillint, a true star in the making. Our midfield just needs to be more aggresive and we can pull this off
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 6:13 pm
Keep Calm Maria. This is where us older men, having seen it all before, come into our own.
Not a great first half, first time for a while that our defence has looked uncertain. I would say that they will be much better in the second half.
Ditto the midfield. Keep it simple, pass and move. the chavs will not have the legs for 90 minutes of this. AA will come on at some point.
They did play with some fear in that half.
Arsene will sort them out.
Arsenal!Arsenal!Arsenal!
Arsenal!Arsenal!Arsenal!
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 6:14 pm
DARREN, DARREN, DARREN, why are you scared?
I hope it is the game that is making you jittery and not the fear of the people behind the screens…..
By: space on April 18, 2009
at 6:14 pm
……my heart was beating so fast i throught i was the one with the pace-maker bob……
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 6:17 pm
….I really do hate it when we score first against the chavs….
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 6:17 pm
It’s our game …
we are second half warriors, the line-up is brilliantly unpredictable … typical AW, some nerves, chelsea not sure …
tactical midfield stuff …
wait and see …
i love you ACLF Rasers
C’mon you gunners … fight!!!
By: ZimPaul on April 18, 2009
at 6:19 pm
Am still a little scared… despite being old.. but am not Darren.
Maria – you are sweet..”Young Gibbs”…
AA for Diaby plz Arsene. And SONG!!!!
By: Ponyboy on April 18, 2009
at 6:20 pm
Ha, Ha. Very funny, Maria, or was that Pb?
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 6:20 pm
…the pitch is a disgrace….
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 6:20 pm
There are always small mercies, Pb.
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 6:21 pm
…stop bob i can’t laugh….
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 6:21 pm
It was Maria, Conols…am unable to be funny until June..
Fu*k history…
Ballack is almost as much of a …ok, game on!
By: Ponyboy on April 18, 2009
at 6:21 pm
Get a grip you two, or one..
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 6:25 pm
NO BLINKIN FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 6:28 pm
is it me or is our passing a touch to soft? is it the field?
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 6:31 pm
Pitch is a joke – just appalling for a national stadium. We can cope though.
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 6:32 pm
little heavier touch on the ball and we will do damage!
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 6:37 pm
Chelsea are fouling like hell
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 6:37 pm
Dirty f*ckers!
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 6:43 pm
Sorry to say it but Denilson is being pushed around!
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 6:47 pm
AA on RVP off?
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 6:51 pm
NB on ADE off?
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 6:58 pm
I dont like Adebeyors body language in front of the whole world. idiot
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 6:58 pm
dd again……..
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 7:00 pm
I dont get this match?
fabianski has been a disaster!
The original line up, confusing?
The subs confusing?
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 7:00 pm
I know….it’s like his resting people for wednesday….
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 7:02 pm
we lost the match from the bench .. why we didnt start with our sttrongest side .. i guess we would never know
By: bigbrovar on April 18, 2009
at 7:02 pm
Darren, what is your problem?
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 7:03 pm
very weird tactics from Arsene…thought we should play with speed but we played a very tactical game
By: tokala on April 18, 2009
at 7:03 pm
resting people for what!
I cant believe this, I am so dissapointed.
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 7:04 pm
Is everyone on this site weird, or is it just me
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 7:04 pm
this match seems to have been over thought.
Still time though
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 7:05 pm
f*** off darren
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 7:06 pm
why we didnt start with our strongest side .. just beats me
By: bigbrovar on April 18, 2009
at 7:07 pm
Don’t come back Darren.
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 7:08 pm
Why do want Ade to be happy!
Stop disrespecting the players!!
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 7:08 pm
darren is behaving like a straight clown
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 7:08 pm
maria i thought you liked me
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 7:08 pm
Paul N
adebeyor should respect arenes decision. he is a genius regardless of today
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 7:10 pm
very very dissapointing game
By: tokala on April 18, 2009
at 7:10 pm
we lost to a better side so take heart guys .. it would have been a different outcome if we started with our strongest side.. but then asenknows
By: bigbrovar on April 18, 2009
at 7:11 pm
You guys feeling bullish?
Prepare for a slew of tosspots on here.
We had a bit of an off-day. At the back we did the best we could with what we had.
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 7:12 pm
I am sick! I just dont get it! what a wasted opportunity!!!
Love the team but Arsene has done my head in today!
Denilson was not strong enough to play against Chelsea, Diaby was off and played the whole game, AA didnt start, Ade and RVP subbed!!!????
I am confused as hell!
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 7:12 pm
I don’t about you guys but that those injuries cost us today….both eboue and fab at fault for both the goals….shame really….
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 7:14 pm
Paul N
If it wasnt for arsene we wouldnt have a good team so dont disrespect him. we owe him lot.
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 7:14 pm
I think the defence cost us!
By: BengalGooner on April 18, 2009
at 7:14 pm
OOU, this loss is on Arsene for me!
Was not the strongest line up at all!!
Anyway, onto the next match but it will take a whole to get over the feeling that this was a waste.
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 7:15 pm
It was just an individual error which cost us today. You can’t account for those things.
By: CJ on April 18, 2009
at 7:15 pm
Paul N,
This is the first time in a long time i am still confused over a Arsenal game…Arshavin last 10 mins….Bentner on??????? Song for Denlison???
Nasri for Denilson????
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 7:15 pm
If you question someones selection you are disrespacting them? how dumb!
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 7:16 pm
We did OK
We love you GUNNERS
By: ZimPaul on April 18, 2009
at 7:16 pm
Oh well…at least their rested for the Liverpool game…..we need to nick third place of these Chavs….
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 7:16 pm
Denilson was poor… uncharacteristic of him…
So is Diaby… also poor….
Fabianski and Silvestre are disasters… Toure had a hard game having to look out for those 2 disasters today.
Gibbs is the best player in the team today, IMO
I really HATE Chelsea to the core. I hate their style of play. I hope they don’t win a single cup this season. >__<
By: gackt13 on April 18, 2009
at 7:17 pm
paul N, stop disrespecting arsene, you obviously know nothing about football.
We wouldnt of been in the final ifit wasnt for him.
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 7:17 pm
No shame today. We were beaten by the better side on the day. We can’t be wonderful every game. Chelsea played well by their standards.
Get over it now and move on.
CL is still there and I really believe that tomorrow belongs to us.
Arsenal!Arsenal!Arsenal!
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 7:17 pm
Gibbs man of the match for me (including all 22 players). He never put a foot wrong and the defence didn’t “cost us” – on the whole it was solid enough. What cost us was an individual mistake of judgement by Fabianski. He has to learn from that now.
Onwards now, we’re still in Europe…
By: CJ on April 18, 2009
at 7:17 pm
ok Darren
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 7:18 pm
Paul N, you were the one having ago at me for questioning Abebeyors body language
one of us,
what happened to the ‘no doom’ stuff. you might want to speak to Paul N
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 7:19 pm
Feel sorry for Fab though it was his birthday….oh to be a gooner…robbed again by the fouling KGB agents….
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 7:19 pm
OOU, this loss is on Arsene for me!
Was not the strongest line up at all!!
…In your opinion, Paul.
Who knows what the deal with Arshavin was…he could have been carrying a small knock. Keeping him on the bench looked like a tactical decision in the face of a big strong side against a manager who knows him inside out.
Another explanation might be that AW was rewarding the players that got us to this stage of the competition. Arshavin starting might have been a slap in the face of someone like Denilson who has helped get us to this point.
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 7:20 pm
I can’t tell you how much I hate that #*%$! Drogba! He’s crap for most of the game, just comes to life for long enough to kill us. How many times has he done that now?
By: GoonerGerry on April 18, 2009
at 7:20 pm
Yes listen to darren OOU
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 7:21 pm
How depressing. Let’s hope we bounce right back for midweek.
Gibbs was a real bright spot, though, wasn’t he?
By: FunGunner on April 18, 2009
at 7:21 pm
I really, really, really don’t understand why Arshavin was on the bench. I love Arsène and usually think he’s right but I can’t understand this.
By: Non Edible Nacho on April 18, 2009
at 7:22 pm
one of us, spot on.
Paul N, you dont realise how lucky you are
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 7:22 pm
We lost to two long balls – one offside – that a very makeshift defence and inexperience goalkeeper struggled to deal with. We have to accept this bad luck unfortunately.
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 7:23 pm
I hear you OOU, what about RVP and Ade coming off.
OOU, you know I love Arsene and what he has done for Arsenal, but for once I am totally confuses. I dont get it, yes Darren, my disrespectful opinion.
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 7:23 pm
I give a flying f*ck about midweek, too. Today was the most important much until United.
By: Non Edible Nacho on April 18, 2009
at 7:23 pm
Errr…
-much
+match
By: Non Edible Nacho on April 18, 2009
at 7:23 pm
non edible nacho,
He must of had his reasos, he’s never wrong before
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 7:23 pm
Was it Fabianski’s birthday?
He was very nervous today. A match to forget for him.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 7:24 pm
We love you Arsenal..we do
WE love you Arsenal..we do
We love you Arsenal.. we do
AAAAARSENAL we love you
By: Frank's biggest fan on April 18, 2009
at 7:24 pm
I am off to make another we hate Drogba page on facebook….cheating little ******!!!!!!!
Darren please don’t wind up people…temperatures are running high as it is…
Bob…didn’t mean shame on the team i meant shame that one mistake late on cost us…..
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 7:25 pm
Who are you?
I have defended Arsene and Arsenal all season long.
You said the team had gone to sh**
You said Ade was an idiot.
I have questioned Arsene but he is the best manager in world football but not today for me.
Onto the CL and the rest of the PL mathces!!!
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 7:25 pm
Darren,
The only casualty of Arsene’s tenure at the Arsenal has been that our verve and success has attracted shallow glory hunting bell ends like yourself.
By: Alex on April 18, 2009
at 7:25 pm
NEN
Midweek is the next match – so we need to bounce back for it. Bouncing back is all-important now.
By: FunGunner on April 18, 2009
at 7:26 pm
Yes, FunGunner. Evidence that we should not judge any player on a single game.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 7:27 pm
You guys are nuts. Do you all know eachother or something?
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 7:27 pm
fbf
Yes! COYG!
By: FunGunner on April 18, 2009
at 7:27 pm
We can knock out United in CL semis. At least that will be a 2 leg affair, and not based on a single game which could go either way. Thought both the teams were in it, and that Drogba goal was unfortunate for Fabianski. Nevermind though!
COYG!!!
By: Frank's biggest fan on April 18, 2009
at 7:27 pm
Lets hope and pray that the team does not this loss affect their confidence too much.
Not happy but proud to be a supporter of the Arsenal!!!
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 7:27 pm
We lost the game for 2 reasons, the absence of Gallas and Sagna, and the pitch. The pitch suited Chelsea. The game slowed down, and their strong midfield were able to control the midfield. This is a bad result. We are now ready to win games against Chelsea and Manchester United, and today it didn’t happen. If the match had been over 2 legs, then I think we would have won, but the winner they scored, was fortuitous, and ultimately decisive in a game of few chances. We just have to hope for the CL now, and that we can scalp the chavs in the league, along with ‘pool and the mancs.
By: Muppet on April 18, 2009
at 7:28 pm
Well, the problems were (a) the team selection and (b) Fabianski’s decision-making, I think that is obvious. However let’s not castigate Wenger, we did very well considering the conditions we are playing under, we have so many players out injured it’s ridiculous. Having said that, Song SHOULD have played instead of Denilson, Van Persie SHOULD have gone off far earlier for Arshavin, and Adebayor SHOULD have not played like a sack of mouldy potatoes.
By: crafty bison on April 18, 2009
at 7:28 pm
I thought Gibbs played really well, didn’t look for one second out of place. He is definitely going to be a future star.
The pitch was awful, might give Everton an advantage tomorrow?
May Chelsea get all they deserve.
By: Marc on April 18, 2009
at 7:29 pm
The pitch was absolutely ridiculous.
By: crafty bison on April 18, 2009
at 7:29 pm
Yes we do.
We have been blogging on here for a while and a new guy like you is not gonna come and try to turn us against eachother.
This guys know how much I love the Gunners!!!
UP DA GUNNERS!!!!!
NO FEAR!!!!!!!
I FEEL BETTER NOW!!!!!!!!
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 7:29 pm
………i really hate this……..those cheski guys are monsters…did you see the way Alex and terry were man-handling Ade….
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 7:30 pm
no castigating Crafty Bison, just some questioning.
Its over now, so onto the rest of the matches.
CL title, beat Man U and Pool and anyone else who dares get in the way!!!
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 7:32 pm
Funny Chelsea fouled the whole match but it seems that we got all the fouls called on us, even when Terry was pullin on Cesc.
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 7:33 pm
We do Paul….i think Darren lost his way from LG and is attempting to play a little reverse psychology……w*****
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 7:33 pm
Don’t know what you mean, Maria. You are truest Red. As are all our friends on ACLF.
God Bless Arsene. God Bless Arsenal.
Onwards and upwards to the broad sunlit uplands tha await.
We are dissapointed now. Tomorrow is another day.
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 7:34 pm
Darren,
We can all tell you’re trying to wind us up with your feigned devotion to Wenger.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 7:34 pm
For some perspective, I’m going to rate the players even though this opens me up for slating.
Fabianski – 3/10. I like him a lot and he looked brilliant in the last game but unfortunately he had very little to do today and what he did do, he did wrong. I feel terrible for him especially as it’s his birthday, but he was simply not ready for this and really needs to work on his decision-making.
Eboue – 6/10. A real mixed bag. He was caught out of position too many times, but surging forward his threat grew exponentially as the game went on.
Gibbs – 7/10. Didn’t look fazed by the occasion and has a wonderfully cultured left foot… wink wink.
Toure – 5/10. Generally decent, but didn’t attack the ball when he needed to, and didn’t command the defence which allowed Silvestre’s jitters to infect everyone.
Silvestre – 3/10. I don’t hate him, like everyone else seems to, but he needs to pass the ball 20% harder to avoid creating danger every single time he does it. And his handball was absolutely insane.
Diaby – 6/10. Quietly effective, and we needed his physicality to deal with Chelsea’s midfield bullying.
Denilson – 5/10. Decent enough but Chelsea ran through him at times. He was also absolutely moronic to push the referee, we were VERY lucky more wasn’t made of it as it could easily have been a red card.
Walcott – 8/10. Easily our most potent attacking threat.
Fabregas – 6/10. Some of his passes were sublime, others lazy.
Van Persie – 4/10. Really sloppy, he seems to go further downhill each week.
Adebayor – 2/10. I thought he saved it for the big occasion. When are his big occasions?
By: crafty bison on April 18, 2009
at 7:35 pm
“We are dissapointed now. Tomorrow is another day.”
Amen to that Mr. Bob!!!
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 7:37 pm
We didnt play with our handbrake off today as Wenger would say. I agree with Muppet about the pitch suiting Chelsea’s style of play. However, we never attempted to keep things simple when we had possession of the ball.
The players constantly attempted tough forward passes and gave the ball away. Diaby seemed particularly wasteful in possession. Denilson’s neat passing game was off today as Ballack and Lampard easily muscled him off the ball. Song would have been a welcome presence today but Wenger seems to be preserving him and Arshavin for Liverpool.
Adebayor’s work rate; so impressive since he returned from injury was off the boil today and one couldn’t spot him winning any aerial battles with Terry and Alex today. Arshavin, Bendtner and Nasri had no time to change the game today. Wish Wenger brought them on earlier instead of playing for extra time.
On to the CL and PL now….onwards and upwards.
By: Alex on April 18, 2009
at 7:37 pm
The test of a team is in adversity.
Wenger will sort out the players on the field.
This team, ACLF, will sort itself out.
Come on!
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 7:38 pm
Thanks for the support guys!!
Yes Darren we are nuts here, nuts to defend this team when all hell was breaking lose and when most had no faith!
BE OFF WITH YOU!
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 7:40 pm
Heartbreaking.
Their first goal looked a bit offside but maybe i’m clutching at straws.
We matched them and arguably looked the most likely, certainly the most inventive.
Once again, the difference was Drogba. god, how I hate that man.
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 18, 2009
at 7:41 pm
Whta didn’t you get bob??
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 7:42 pm
gunners our team
By: ZimPaul on April 18, 2009
at 7:42 pm
I’m out folks. Visiting my peops in Miami!
Holla at you’ll tomorrow!!!
Blessings!
By: Paul N on April 18, 2009
at 7:43 pm
Forget him, PaulN.
There’s much more to come this season. This team will bounce back, that’s for sure.
ManU aren’t going to have the luck of facing Arsenal with 5 key defensive players missing.
Onwards and upwards.
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 7:45 pm
…..I am sooooo jealous P, talk about a great way to get bad news out of your mind…
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 7:46 pm
I am disappointed with Denilson, Fabianski, and Diaby in particular. I mean, Diaby couldn’t keep the ball for a second, what a sucker! Denilson needs to work on his ball control and creativity, Fabianski was good at the other match, but his overleaping and overrunning tendencies showeed their weaknesses. I seriously think the lethal combination of Arshavin and Fabregas would have won it .I agree Song should have played. Heartbroken.
By: ron on April 18, 2009
at 7:49 pm
CBob I agree
The team will learn from this & we will overcome and emerge stronger.
We all know what kind of media negativity is aimed at our beloved club and no doubt we are in crisis now because of this result, that’s what we’ve been contending with all season, that and a ridiculous injury list also.
Bring on the Pool. its time to show some bouncbackability.
ARSENAL…, ARSENAL…,ARSENAL…,
By: Santos on April 18, 2009
at 7:51 pm
Consol well said
Anyone wanna talk about our team ???
You fu@* off
Arsenal beautiful!!!
sorry Fabianski, next time better it’s OK
C’MON YOU GUNNERS !!!!!
THE GREATEST
I really mean it
By: ZimPaul on April 18, 2009
at 7:53 pm
Ron your going to get yourself sin bagged with all this sucker talk make your point without insulting our players please….
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 7:53 pm
Well done chelsea … and Hiddink.
Good luck for the final
By: ZimPaul on April 18, 2009
at 7:53 pm
ROBBED
By: DukeGoonem on April 18, 2009
at 7:54 pm
Both their goals were heap of sh*t.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 7:54 pm
ZP…………..
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 7:55 pm
“We lost to two long balls – one offside – that a very makeshift defence and inexperience goalkeeper struggled to deal with. We have to accept this bad luck unfortunately.”
Good, balanced assessment OOU.
We’re all disappointed with the outcome, but let’s not rip the team or the manager to shreds over it. I am sure they will learn and move on from this experience. That is the mature and constructive thing to do.
By: Passenal on April 18, 2009
at 7:55 pm
Best use of our transfer fund this summer?
A couple of heavies to kneecap bloody Drogba.
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 18, 2009
at 8:00 pm
Good comments on here bar the interlopers from le grove. Glad to see the last of that twat Darren. He’s useless.
Wenger had a plan for today and it obviously didn’t come off. The team looked tentative,definitely had the hand brake on, and never really got into the flow. I don’t know if it was the lineup, the stage, or tiredness, but this was a different performance than we’ve become used to in the last few months. It happens.
It’s too late to stop the bridege jumpers on Fabianski. He had a difficult day in goal. His decision making was off. Just remember last Wednesday when his decision making was spot on. He’s a young keeper and will make mistakes. Thankfully the mistakes he made today are easy ones to learn from. He will learn and move on, as we all should.
Gibbs was outstanding, this guy will be great! I also thought Walcott had a decent game.
This loss stings because it was to the most bloated, arrogant, useless football side outside of Tottenham. It happens but that doesn’t make it better.
Better times to come, that is for sure. Come on you GUNNERS!
By: Gris Gris on April 18, 2009
at 8:02 pm
QofU good news on that front DD is 31 not to many years to go of his **** left….
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 8:05 pm
Save the money, QoS. Next time I see him, I’ll roll my zimmer over his knees.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 8:06 pm
@ QOS 8:00pm
Do you think El Hadj Diouf would do it for free?
Arsene likes a bargain!
Or Maybe Joey Barton?
I’ll stop swearing now
By: Santos on April 18, 2009
at 8:06 pm
Luck of the devil. what have we done to get this awful luck with injuries.
Chavsea are f*kin shite. we would have done them over with our proper team. I hate losing like this, at least lose far and bloody square. chav c*ts.
By: DukeGoonem on April 18, 2009
at 8:07 pm
QoU? Is that Queen of Utopia? Moving up in the world!
Why doesn’t Frank “Quasimodo” Lampard spend some of his money on getting his back straightened out?
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 8:08 pm
Go **ss yourself Ron
By: ZimPaul on April 18, 2009
at 8:08 pm
Where the f*ck was Song??????????
Where was arshavin??? i think wenger made some mistakes aswell today in team selection.
By: DukeGoonem on April 18, 2009
at 8:10 pm
Fair play to Chelski. It was a cagey game but unlike us they never gave away any cheap chances at goal. However we did, and they took advantage. My earlier concerns on this blog about our defence prior to the Villareal game have come to haunt us. Le Gaffer we know hates losing and I am sure he will be have doubts about his decision not play Song and holding Arshavin out until the 75th minute. He must have been thinking about Liverpool on Tuesday, but surely making it to the FA cup finals would count more than a regular season Premier League game. Wouldn’t that outweigh a loss on Tuesday to the scousers?
In the end Denilson had a mediocre game by his standards. One area of weakness was the lack of cover provided Eboue when he made his runs forward. Similarly RVP was not as effective playing in the hole and, apart from Walcott, we lacked a cutting edge going forward. No wonder Ade was ineffective. Again fair play to Chelsea they made it difficult for us.
Gooners, in the words of Peter Tosh, we must “pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off and start all over again.”
By: shotta-gunna on April 18, 2009
at 8:12 pm
Maria, your 7.25 comment. I’m Bob, No?
Everyting’s gonna be alright.
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 8:13 pm
Tosh and Marley in consecutive posts.
Good man Shotta! Fair analysis.
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 8:15 pm
The only reason people are pointing the finger at Denilson is that they had decided before the match that they didn’t want him to play.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 8:16 pm
Sad. Personnel selection was off today. Diaby especially. AA on bench against his national team coach?
I choose to leave this game alone. F**k it..on to Anfield RASERS!
Will be tougher without Gerrard in my view. Less predictable.
Oh well…WE ARE ARSENAL!!!!!
RASERS 4 LIFE!
By: Aman on April 18, 2009
at 8:18 pm
Can I say thank god for ACLF, you guys are the perfect remedy for post match depression.
By: Santos on April 18, 2009
at 8:18 pm
Polizi- Stop fooling yourself
By: spoiled brat on April 18, 2009
at 8:18 pm
Frank- Where are you? are you crying like a little boy in the bathroom.
Polizi-why makin fun of a player who has bust his gut for his team. cheap shot. If some of our players did half of his hard work we might be in the final.It was a shit selection. Why didn’t Arshavin and Song start and why take off our most potent strikers and play a girl instead. Fabianski had a shocker but I don’t blame him he is a rookie and the nerves got the better of him. Diaby Denilson and Eboue were a disaster and the latter made Malouda like Maradonna.
By: spoiled brat on April 18, 2009
at 8:19 pm
Tell it to Spoiled Brat, Santos.
You miserable b@stard, SB. What do you want, a funeral?
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 8:20 pm
Duke, with all our defensive injury problems, Song is our only cover left for centre back, or he might have been carrying a little knock for all we know. I’m willing to give the manager the benefit of the doubt since I have no way of knowing otherwise.
By: Passenal on April 18, 2009
at 8:21 pm
Oh, sorry, I didn’t read your post of 8.19 before I posted, SB.
You are obviously either only eleven or completely thick. I am sorry in either case.
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 8:23 pm
hhhmmm Passenal he could easily have just put Song back into defence if we got an injury. Im baffled because Song has been our best player for the last month. and only having Arshavin on for 20 mins…well they were lucky.
By: DukeGoonem on April 18, 2009
at 8:24 pm
What are you talking about, spoiled brat? If you’re looking for the crown of stupidest poster, believe me you’ve got some tough competition.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 8:25 pm
Chelsea capitalised on a couple of defensive errors, they did not overwhelm us, so I think some balance is called for.
By: Passenal on April 18, 2009
at 8:28 pm
aaaaaah…this is so sad it’s like these LG ‘fans’ have been waiting us to lose so they could come on her…this actucally more upseting than the lost…thanks bob….the lost has confused me….
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 8:29 pm
I’m definitely glad we won’t be playing on that vauxhall conference quality pitch again.
I suppose it makes sense that the English national stadium is better suited to teams that prefer the ball in the air than on the ground.
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 8:29 pm
Well, not again this season.
I’m really over-egging these italics now!
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 8:31 pm
Truth hurt. You keep fooling youselves but deep down you all know it. You just afraid to let it out.
By: spoiled brat on April 18, 2009
at 8:34 pm
“Song would have been a welcome presence today but Wenger seems to be preserving him and Arshavin for Liverpool. ”
That had better not be true. You don’t preserve people for a bloody league game by sitting them for an FA Cup semi (especially) when you’re 9 pts up on the club behind you in the league).
My take on Arsene’s thinking:
1) Makeshift defense needs extra cover, so we need 4-5-1. (Good call, I think. Had we played straight 4-4-2, Chelsea goes into “defensive shell + route 1 counter to Drogba” and wins 4-1)
2) Denilson and Diaby are the DM pair (bc Song’s ankle is still off from Villa game, I hope).
3) Ade is the only one who can play the solo role effectively.
4) So who on the wings from Walcott, Arshavin, Nasri, RvP? Walcott’s speed give Chelsea fits (and it did, and he scored), and on the left…RvP scored twice the last time we played Chelsea.
Myself, I would have picked AA over RvP on recent form, but it’s not an obvious choice. I would also have subbed him in sooner. But who we really REALLY missed was Almunia. Fab just had a shit game, although on the second it was TOURE (not Sil) who bears the most blame.
By: nolaboyd on April 18, 2009
at 8:36 pm
….did someone mention my name?…I have just got back from the game….
….I enjoyed the game….we are wracked with injuries in defence….suprised we lasted as long as we did….all down to a couple of mistakes…..
…the pitch is a disgrace…every time a player ran with the ball there was grass flying up like a lawnmower..and very little bounce…at one point Ade threw the ball to Eboue to take a throw-in and the ball didn’t bounce…
….for most of the game the RvP/Gibbs right side worked well…it was audacious really…playing RvP in a defensive midfield role….his job was to keep Ballack off Gibbs…which he did very well…allowing Kieran to get forward….RvPs injury screwed that up though…
…..on the other side Theo played well when attacking….didn’t give Eboue too much protection though….
….fairly sure that the plan to hold until the last 20 minutes and then AA would come on and destroy them…but the second goal put paid to that…..
…..we had a makeshift defence…third string…always going to be difficult…
….Chelski are strongest in the centre of midfield and to be fair that is where we lost the battle….only just though and it will be different in the league game….
….cup games are like this….can go either way at this stage….ECL here we come…thankfully we play at Old Trafford and our place….proper football pitches…
….meanwhile looking forward to the Scousers game….
ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 8:37 pm
see they even have me posting gibberish….please take a hike sb and your little small friends…Darren….Ron…
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 8:37 pm
That’s the whole point Duke, we just don’t know the reason, which is why I’m not rushing to judgement about it. Song could have played and had an off day, so whilst you might assume he would continue where he left off, there are no guarantees as other players who have played well previously did not have their best games today. That is why I just accept what happens and move on. Second guessing and what ifs get you nowhere.
By: Passenal on April 18, 2009
at 8:39 pm
I certainly don’t believe that Wenger was resting anyone, we don’t need any points against Liverpool, certainly not more than we needed to get into the final today.
I think what Alex said above was very prescient. Wenger was playing for extra time. If the game had gone past 90 we would have won it, with Nasri, Bendtner and Arshavin running things. But unfortunately we lost it before 90. You don’t try and outsmart the fact that extra time will ALWAYS be a tactical and physical nightmare. You play for the 90 and deal with extra time when and IF it comes.
By: crafty bison on April 18, 2009
at 8:44 pm
Thanks for the view from Wembley Frank. We knew it would be tough and could go either way and it sounds like Chelsea just edged it probably due to their greater experience. But we were not slaughtered as some would have us believe!
By: Passenal on April 18, 2009
at 8:48 pm
if you are not honest with yourselves and say it like it is then you are foolish an misguided go and live in a dictator state.I’m off this place . You Just keep caressing each other here.Till next time
By: spoiled brat on April 18, 2009
at 8:49 pm
…I don’t think that AW was relying on extra time at all…..and I don’t think his intention was to sub RvP for AA either…injury forced that…we lost to a couple of silly errors in a makeshift defence…nothing more…nothing less…
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 8:49 pm
we cant blame this one on injuries or the pitch….
the team selection was a disgrace….so was the perormances of over half the team because of it….diaby is useless….denilsons a liability and adebayor is soooo lazy its untrue….
AA has been our best player and Song has finally started to prove everyone wrong and show to all how much of a rock he can be in midfield…..
wenger dropped them both…. played cesc in the hole (where he is ineffective) and RvP out on the wing (where he is inefective)
chelsea had all the time in the world to clear the ball because Ade cant be bothered to run and our midfield was over run because diaby couldnt keep the ball if it was glued to his boot and denilson is soo overated its untrue…..
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 8:50 pm
….nope…none of that is correct JonJon….
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 8:51 pm
Who cares if we lost????
What were Denilsons stats like??
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 8:51 pm
A 2-1 slaughter! And their two the worst goals you’ll ever see.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 8:51 pm
….Alex Song is carrying an injury and AW hoped not to have to play him…..the rest was about protecting a third string defence….which almost worked…very few would get so close with so many defensive injuries…..
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 8:53 pm
Was the plan from the start to play for extra time? That is the most insane idea I have ever heard.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 8:54 pm
I agree with Frank @8:49. There has been too much overanalysis. Chelsea barely deserved to win it, we made individual mistakes that we haven’t made recently.
Let’s move on. The team is much much better than we saw today. I think the mancs, chavs and scousers will still get a good hiding at some point.
By: Muppet on April 18, 2009
at 8:54 pm
so ade closed down then did he frank???? diaby never lost the ball and neither did denilson????
AA hasnt been our best player and song hasnt been in form?????
what part of it is not correct frank????
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 8:54 pm
Sorry JonJon, but that is really stupid. Ade ran like crazy today. I think Song acutally has a knock, so maybe he couldn’t do it.
RvP was VERY effective today. Everyone is raving about Gibbs bc RvP did such a fantastic job protecting him. Theo didn’t protect Eboue at all (not criticising Theo, just saying).
If Diaby never played for Arsenal again, I would be fine with that. The only position he can play effectively for us is the 10 and we have 5 who can play it as well.
By: nolaboyd on April 18, 2009
at 8:56 pm
if wenger plays the same team against the mancs over two legs we’ll be destroyed…
weve lost the momentum lads….. nobodys getting a hiding from that side….
yes chelsea scored two bad goals but we scored a bad goal also and never threatened other than that…..against a defence and a GK how had previously conceeding 7 goals in two games….
wenger got it wrong today and we were punished….
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 8:57 pm
“Ade ran like crazy” try watching the replay.. you are seriously deluded …
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 8:57 pm
I think the plan was to keep the match at 0-0 until the seventieth minute, then to quickly score two goals. We would then defend for the final 15 minutes, not letting them score more than one.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 8:58 pm
RvP looked unfit and his free kicks, set pieces, were poor…. gibbs controlled the left by himself and theo played well also…. eboue just made a cock up for the malouda goal…nothing to do with theo not protecting him…..
Nolaboyd, adebayor didnt run today….watch the highlights he never closed a chelsea player down once when they had the ball….
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 9:00 pm
Yeah it was Walcotts fault he scored to early he should have just passed it to Cole or kicked it into touch.
Wait until the 70th minute Theo. you knob!
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 9:01 pm
…..the team selection was not a disgrace….neither was the performance….diaby is not useless….denilson is not a liability and adebayor is not lazy…
….AA is not our best player he is one of our best players…one of many…as even Terry Venables acknowledged….as I said Alex Song is not fully fit….
…Cesc was not ineffective…he was man-marked by two players…..and almost overcam that…
…as I have already said…RvP was very effective in the role he was given which was to protect kieran Gibbs from ballack….this worked until RvPs injury (groin strain)….
…so you see none of what you said was correct or even sensible, JonJon…
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 9:01 pm
It really annoys them doesn’t it?
Come on you Reds!
By: Consolsbob on April 18, 2009
at 9:01 pm
Why do the batards from the looney grove run over to our site when we lose? Let me think. Aaah…thats where the true supporters can be found. H’mmm. Not so looney after all.
By: shotta-gunna on April 18, 2009
at 9:02 pm
Yeah jonjon Terry Venables said so.. heheheh
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 9:02 pm
…Gibbs did not protect the left by himself…that is simply a lie….you clearly completely missed the running battle between Ballack and RvP….did you actually watch the game, JonJon?…
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 9:02 pm
………I am really get bored of this Frank & co. please read them the riot act…..
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 9:02 pm
Walcott followed the plan exactly, but he couldn’t foresee the incompetence of Ashey Cole.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 9:03 pm
well i think it was bad injuries and wenger not putting the right team out that cost us. But if wenger didnt have a choice with the team he put out then there is not alot we can do.
By: DukeGoonem on April 18, 2009
at 9:06 pm
“Gibbs controlled the left by himself”
Hahahaha….step away from the keyboard JonJon.
By: nolaboyd on April 18, 2009
at 9:07 pm
…….I am told that the point Terry Venables made was that it almost didn’t matter which Arsenal players play…they are interchangeable….I think that is probably true of all but the defence….defences have to be very organised these days and to have to play together a lot to be very effective….injuries have decimated our defence which has an effect on the whole team as players are deployed in defensive roles which they would not normally adopt…..defence is where our problems lay….but it will not always be the case….
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 9:09 pm
I think we have to stop Walcott scoring first against Chelsea in these cup games or maybe it will be third time lucky?
By: Passenal on April 18, 2009
at 9:11 pm
Terry Venables is a Spud isn’t he.. tut tut tut..
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 9:11 pm
…yes he was….and as you know he was also the England manager….he talks a lot of sense….what was it about his opinion that you did not like, no worries..?…I did not see it myself…did you?..
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 9:14 pm
Frank – thanks for letting us know that Song is carrying a knock and now RVP. ….I hope they both are not hurt seriously. I thought AW did a good job of team selection to ensure good protection for our defense. But the middle is where Chelsea is stongest and there was simply no room for Cesc. Hence the balls to Ade were limited and in places where he could do little damage. But then try explainling this to idiotic Ade-bashers. If he was running around the field like a chicken without a head they would be just as poisonous.
AW is right – the surface at Wembley is a disgrace. But fair play to Chelsea, they took advantage of their chances.
PS: It is obvious that the blueprint of all teams is to control Ade by controlling Cesc. It is a bit worrying and we have to negate this.
By: shotta-gunna on April 18, 2009
at 9:14 pm
well it would be nice to play chavsea in a major game with our first team.
By: DukeGoonem on April 18, 2009
at 9:15 pm
This years honours.
Man U Premiership.
Chelsea Fa Cup.
Barca. Champions League.
Arsenal Denilson has the best stats.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 9:16 pm
….I think that this game could have gone either way, shotta-gunna…as YW pointed out in his piece the game was always going to hinge on a couple of incidents…as RvP says….and it did…
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 9:16 pm
…you clearly don’t enjoy supporting Arsenal, no worries…
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 9:17 pm
And no worries has the best jokes.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 9:17 pm
How would he know? He’s never tried it.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 9:18 pm
…ah well his loss, Pz…..I enjoy supporting the club immensely…no better club, manager or squad to support in the world….
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 9:19 pm
Yea I love it.. Do you enjoy supporting a second rate football team?
Team selection killed us today, Nasri the man who took Man U apart was sitting on the bench.
He would have been a far better option than a semi fit I cannot keep the ball Diaby.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 9:21 pm
we had nasri and AA sitting on the bench….that almost 30mill worth of talent…. and you lot would rather see denilson and diaby???? WTF
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 9:23 pm
…nope…. defensive injuries and a resulting two mistakes caused us to lose today…you sure you watched the game?…perhaps your powers of observation are a little impaired…
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 9:23 pm
maybe we should play frimpong and randall against manutd in the CL…. and then blame the pitch and injuries afterwards when we lose….
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 9:24 pm
….Nasri has not proved to be the best player in a physical game where the opposition midfield like to mix it…..and to date AA has been best in games where there is space….no space anywhere today….very hard game…
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 9:25 pm
nope frank… my vision wasnt impaired
because i dont wear rose tinted specs mate….
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 9:25 pm
no worries,
you are obviously a spud… yogi why do you let them slip under the radar..cant you put some anti-spud protection program in…you can tell them a mile off.
By: DukeGoonem on April 18, 2009
at 9:25 pm
My mistake: JonJon has the best jokes.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 9:25 pm
“No Worries”! Another fair-weather supporter. Trashing his own players, trashing his own manager, trashing his own club.
They are the first to jump on the bandwaggon, behind the team bus when we win the Champions League. Paper or plastic?
This kind of trash is unwelcome at ACLF.
F*ck off to LG little man!
By: shotta-gunna on April 18, 2009
at 9:26 pm
Always an excuse eh Frank. always an excuse to be second best. Wenger is perfect eh. never, ever made a mistake.
If we had scored 3 our defence would not have mattered.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 9:27 pm
nasri proved not physical enough??? and mr lighweight pass the ball backward and sideways denilson has???
if pushing the referee counts than yes i agree…
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 9:28 pm
shotta gunner.. was I rude to you big boy? No you don’t like it when debate goes against your little safe zone do ya?
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 9:28 pm
…excuse?…strange word to use…just describing the game as I see it…your version seems a little short on facts…..
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 9:29 pm
….strange insult to throw at a player, JonJon….
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 9:31 pm
…debate…who said anything about a debate, no worries?
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 9:32 pm
frank…. so all your opinions on the game should be the law…. you keep saying ‘did you see the game’
all this coming from a bloke who said he enjoyed it????? you actually enjoyed watching the team get beat in a semi against chelsea…..
did you actually watch the game????
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 9:32 pm
The facts are they scored 2 we scored 1. Are you happy?
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 9:32 pm
More cathartic whining than a debate, I’d say.
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 9:33 pm
no worries……im not…..
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 9:33 pm
….I enjoyed the game…I did not enjoy the result….no my opinions are not the law…they are just different to yours…..my point about you watching the game was that you seem to have missed key points, moves, actions and events…
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 9:34 pm
nw, when Manu lost Ferdinand they conceded 4. When Chelsea lost Terry they conceded 4. (You think scoring 3 is a guarantee of anything, foolish child?) We lost Gallas AND Djourou (his backup) AND Clichy AND Sagna. And on top of that, we lost our keeper Almunia as well.
Our hope was for Drogba to have a sulky game. He didn’t. We were still in it to the end.
By: nolaboyd on April 18, 2009
at 9:34 pm
THE BLAME FOR TODAYS DEFEAT LIES AT THE FEET OF ONE MAN.ONLY A FOOL WOULD GO INTO A GAME AGAINST A BETTER TEAM THAN US AND LEAVE OUT OUR BEST 2 PLAYERS FROM THE LAST TWO MONTH.UTTER F**KING MADNESS.WENGER YOU FOOL
FABIANSKI A JOKE-HE LEARNED NOTHING FROM WIGAN LAST WEEK
EBOUE-MADE MALUDA LOOK GOOD AND THAT TAKES SOME DOING
DIABY AND DENILSON=OUT OF THERE DEPTH
RVP AND GREEDY-CANT WORK AS A POOR AGAINST QUALITY OPPOSITION
ONLY GIBBS AND THEO WERE A CREDIT TO THE SHIRT TODAY
By: Arsene i dont know on April 18, 2009
at 9:35 pm
im not happy with our bad luck with fukin injuries. if we had even a couple more of our regular backline we would have won. whats the point in slagging the team…if we lost with our full strengh team then i would understand the critisism.
By: DukeGoonem on April 18, 2009
at 9:36 pm
no frank…
i said that denilson and diaby kept losing the ball….which they did….i also said that ade was lazy because he didnt close..which he didnt and you said i was wrong simply because you say so…. no reasonable debate…. no opinions….just im wrong and your right….
quite patronising dont you think????
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 9:37 pm
You changed your name Muppet?
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 9:37 pm
….the 2-1 scoreline is one of many, many facts about the game…you want applause for being able to remember the score, no worries?…in terms of being happy….I presume you mean about the result….no I would have preferred us to win….and to have not made the two mistakes that lead to their goals….those two mistakes did not involve any of the players you atre keen to denigrate….
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 9:37 pm
I saw the team Wenger put out against Villareal was good enough.
The team today wasn’t.
key cock ups. Denilson, Diaby.
How can a true Arsenal supporter enjoy the game today?
I’m pissed off until Tuesday now.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 9:37 pm
Feel better now that you’ve vented Aidk? Good. Now take a deep breath and turn off the caps lock.
By: nolaboyd on April 18, 2009
at 9:37 pm
PZ – wasn’t me. Either he’s serious or taking the piss. Who knows.
By: Muppet on April 18, 2009
at 9:39 pm
Arsenal ’supporters’? You’re avin a laff.
By: Steve on April 18, 2009
at 9:41 pm
Frank, I agree there was no space first half but the game really opened up from 60 minutes or so and we should have had Arsh on sooner.
By: crafty bison on April 18, 2009
at 9:41 pm
JonJon and nw, assume for a moment that Song has a knock, which there is evidence for.
Now: who do you play in DM? Remember, this is with only one first choice player in your back 5.
By: nolaboyd on April 18, 2009
at 9:41 pm
the team selection was wrong….
chelsea are hoofers and are strong in the midfeild and we played a side that didnt match that….
cesc is ineffective in the hole and always has been when hes been asked to play there….
rvp cannot play LW….he never has been effective when asked to play there either….
denilson hasnt being playing well for the last few games and diaby is an enigma…. so why play them????
chelsea have just come off the back of conceeding 7 goals in two games and we drop our best attacking options in AA and nasri and hand them the game even before kick off….. we played the game chelsea wanted to play….
wenger got it wrong today and the result and the performances proves that…..
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 9:43 pm
….no not patronising…just pointing out that you are mistaken and occasionally misinterpret the action…..Ade did try to close players down….Denilson and Diaby lost the ball several times as did Ballack, Essien, Lampard….as did Cesc…often the case in closely fought midfield games…..
…..yout powers of observation are letting you down and causing you to have difficulty supporting the team….you obviously are having difficulty otherwise you would not find yourself in the unfortunate position of evangelising to a load of Arsenal supporters about how bad you think their team is….
…fianlly…no-one is stopping you from expounding…from crticising the team….some of us just disagree with you….and think you have it wrong…
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 9:43 pm
ACLFers have a right to chase the the doom and gloomers because those of us who see the positives as exceeding the negatives have been proven right over and over again. Frank provides facts to support his opinion. The D&G crew were never at the game but spout their opinions as facts. A thousand times “no” to that kind of inverse logic. Y.W. doesn’t moderate but old-timers have a right to say this is not a blog for the crazies and loonies.
By: shotta-gunna on April 18, 2009
at 9:43 pm
I’m devastated this evening. I didn’t see the result coming but i didn’t see the team selection coming either. That being said we gave the game away with two poor goals the second was particularly galling given how we gift wrapped the opportunity, from a simple punt. Fabianski will do well to recover from his horror show for Tuesday but i think a big game so soon after is exactly what the the doctor ordered. This young squad is still in footballing pergrutory and Nirvana will have to wait for another day but chin up girls and boys it is coming.
By: bradys right foot on April 18, 2009
at 9:44 pm
if song has a knock then we should of gone with cesc and denilson as the deep laying back two and either rvp or nasri in the hole with AA on the wing…… we got it wrong and we lost…. injuries and poor pitch are not an excuse…..
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 9:45 pm
If Song was on the bench he was fit enough to play.
Who would you play as our left winger. (a) our best striker who plays right wing for Holland (b) Our most expensive signing who has set Arsenal alight since he joined or (c) the player we have used there most of the season?
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 9:45 pm
Some people can’t give a fair and balanced assessment of our performances. We cannot win every game and a narrow loss does not mean that our players are suddenly rubbish.
It’s not people on here who refuse to slaughter the team, who are failing to “tell it like it is”. It’s the spoiled brats with their unrealistic expectations, who don’t live in the real world.
By: Passenal on April 18, 2009
at 9:46 pm
i dont have any difficulty supporting the team mate… id die for this team…. but when mistakes are made and we lose without a fight then i will say something and not just accept it and bury my head in the sand like alot of you do….
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 9:46 pm
…I disagree with you, JonJon….we lost because of two defensive mistakes…
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 9:47 pm
….RvPs job was to protect the left side of defence which he did well…until injured….Nasri or AA would not have done that….
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 9:47 pm
passenal… diaby has never been any good and denilson has never really been anything more than average…
living in the real world is accepting those facts and not patronising others for having a different opinion then yourself….
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 9:48 pm
…no worries, there is a lot more to RvPs game than you seem to understand….
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 9:49 pm
chelsea are rubbish on the wings frank they play down the centre…. since when did the left side need protecting???? the wings werent the problem and boswinga was out…. we should of played AA and tore them to bits….. no protection was needed on the left…..
we played right into chelseas hands with that one….
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 9:50 pm
Nasri has all season..
So Wenger made a mistake in not signing a decent goalkeeper as back up for Almunia .
How much did given cost? mmm
Another year goes ticking by, another load of excuses. another empty trophy cabinet.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 9:50 pm
Just got back from Wembley, obviously a very disappointed man. But I’ve had a read of the post match comments, and it seems to me that people really need to get some perspective.
Our defensive injury list was huge. We competed well all match, and the difference between a victory and a loss today was very small. Any other team in the world would struggle to play Chelski with 4 replacements out of their first choice back 5.
I was surprised AA didn’t start, but we don’t know what Wenger knows, i’m sure his reason was a good one.
I am also surprised at some of the vitriol aimed at Diaby today, my perspective of the game live was that he was one of our better players – there was 25 mins in the first half in particular when he bossed the middle. I thought Cesc and Denilson were more guilty of having off days.
Theo and Gibbs were great.
Their goals – for the first one am I harsh in saying that Eboue could have done better ? or that the goalie being beaten on his near post was not great ?
And the second one, Silvestre got pushed off the ball far too easily didn’t he ? And again, Fabs could have done better.
Almunia’s position as first choice no.1 has been cemented for some time now I think. Fabs is a good keeper and could well become a great one. Today was all part of the learning process.
On the day, they were just the better team. I hate to say it, but Lampard’s influence on the game grew considerably in the second half. And that s.o.b. Drogba, blimey I hate him.
Lastly – the pitch. A total disgrace…. I’ve seen Wembley games on the TV and the pitch looks bad, but live and up close it is much much worse. I really think you will struggle to see a great game in that stadium until they sort the pitch out.
I really would consider long and hard before parting with hard earned money to watch a match on that pitch again.
No excuse, as Chelski aren’t exactly a long ball team either – it did neither team any favours. But it certainly dspoiled the spectacle.
If any of us had a choice of winning todays semi or Manu in the CL, we all know which one we’d take.
Come on Arsenal !!
By: Matty on April 18, 2009
at 9:51 pm
Lost without a fight? You really didn’t watch the match, did you?
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 9:51 pm
No JonJon, this is where the difference lies. If you seriously believe that you can pick the team from the comfort of your armchair, then good luck to you. However, a lot of people on this site, beg to differ. Mainly because of Wenger’s track record, but also because most of us wouldn’t be stupid enough to presume we could pick a team without having seen the players, knowing their readiness and the tactics required to beat teams at this level.
You may find it highly cathartic to slag off the manager, scapegoat certain players and sound like a genius in hindsight, but believe me, there is probably another analysis to be had, and that’s to accept that sport being what it is, you can’t win every time, there are injuries to take account of, and sometimes, just sometimes, a couple of teams are assembled with a combined cost of £1 billion who completely distort the landscape.
By: Muppet on April 18, 2009
at 9:52 pm
….patronising because we disagree with you, JonJon?….and for pointing out that you are prone to misinterpretation?….I bet you get patronised quite a lot, JonJon…not surprising is it?….take a look at the exchanges and you will see why…
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 9:52 pm
WHAT IS THE POINT IN PAYING 15M FOR A PLAYER WHO IS CUP-TIED FOR THE CL AND THEN NOT PLAYING HIM IN AN FA CUP SEMI FINAL. AA HAS BEEN BRILLIANT SINCE WE SIGNED HIM YET FOR THE BIGGEST GAME OF THE SEASON HE IS ON THE BENCH.ARSHAVIN WAS FRESH FROM NOT HAVING PLAYED ON WEDNESDAY.
I BET CECH COULDNT BELIEVE HIS LUCK HE WAS A NERVOUS WRECK AFTER THE LIVERPOOL GAME YET THE BEST CROSSER OF A BALL IN THE ARSENAL TEAM IS NOT PLAYING
COMPLETE AND UTTER BOLLOCKS FROM WENGER TODAY
By: Peter Storeys Budgie on April 18, 2009
at 9:52 pm
Oh I see, only you understand Arsenal. the other million or so supporters cannot have an opinion.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 9:52 pm
shit decisions by wenger cost us again today to leave out song arshavin and nasri for such a big game is mental and taking off v.persie then ade just about summed it up. Wenger has made to many stupid decisions in recent times that have cost us badly, he would never have left out vieira pires ljungberg a few years ago for a semi final and taken off bergkamp and henry and replaced them with a average striker like bendtner when drawing 1 1.
By: randall on April 18, 2009
at 9:53 pm
Would I be right in thinking that JonJon is considered a “big beast” among the grovellers?
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 9:53 pm
Onto the game: I must confess that initially I was quite upset not seeing Song or Arshavin in the startin XI. But based on the factual observations of many, in the cold light of day I can see and concur with AW’s logic. If Song is carrying a knock and is the next best defender in the squad, it wasn’t worth the risk with important EPL and Champions League games coming up. As for Arshavin, he is great going forward especially on the flanks but he is a lightweight defensively especially against the physicality of the Chelsea midfield.
Yet we lost due to two defensive mistakes and not to Chelsea over-running us. Football is so unfair. LOL.
By: shotta-gunna on April 18, 2009
at 9:53 pm
Heh, I was waiting for PSB to show up.
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 9:54 pm
poliziano….
we were under the kosh for the last 15mins of the first half and tell me…..
how many shots on goal did we have mate??????
against a keeper who is shot for confidence?????
im curious????
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 9:54 pm
I am not overly concerned about today’s loss, strangely. I would have been happy if we won and was duly guted when Fabs came out to chase the shadow of the Drog and completely missed, i think in that case the biggest culprit was Sylvestre. Now, that we are out, no need to cry over spilled milk, Chelsea won, because our defense was shaky and many of our players, like theirs didnt have a good game. we are now presented with one option; win the CL or be bust and it is not a bad place to be….we will definitely want it more. Like others,I found Arsene’s line up and tactics a little baffling and I wondered if, due to our injuries, he decided to throw in the towel and instead focus on the Liver game and the upcoming ManU game; of course this was the tactic he used last year and it backfired[cant really qualify this because maybe we couldnt have lasted that long in the epl if we had not gone out early of the FA cup, others would say the opposite]
By: space gunner on April 18, 2009
at 9:54 pm
With all these flies around, I thought a shit must be near by; and there he is.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 9:56 pm
Frank “…I disagree with you, JonJon….we lost because of two defensive mistakes…”
Your right Frank, but that wont stop some alleged gooners having a right go at the team and the manager.
By: bradys right foot on April 18, 2009
at 9:56 pm
Poliz….. dont post on le grove mate….. i got my own gaff….
le groves authors do a good job but i dont post on there…….
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 9:56 pm
Good debate Poliziano.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 9:57 pm
See JonJon, you have been corrected on facts several times and still accuse others of not being “in the real world”. You don’t acknowledge RvPs defensive work, or how hard Ade worked among the possibly best Central D triangle (Alex, Terry, Essien) in the world, or the fact that we just had limited choices because of injuries.
I might too consider Cesc-Denilson pairing, a 4-2-3-1, but there is no free lunch with Ballack and Essien in the midfield. They are just stronger. We usually counter with speed, but with Clichy and Sagna out, we needed more midfield protection.
You’re feeling patronised because you feel pissed off and want everyone to be as globally pissed off at everything as you are. You’re like the young RvP of commenters…but maybe you’ll come good eventually.
By: nolaboyd on April 18, 2009
at 9:57 pm
…seems to me that you are having ample opportunity to express your opinion, no worries…who is stopping you?…
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 9:58 pm
What did you want to debate, no worries?
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 9:59 pm
nola boyd,,,
i dont want to debate RvP defensive work as rvp is in case a STRIKER…… in case you missed it….
get with it…. you changing the goal posts and missing the point completely….
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 9:59 pm
nolaboyd
i am sorry but I cannot see where these facts have heen corrected. If you mean you have a different opinion I think that would be more accurate.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 9:59 pm
….. so many childish and angry people …….
By: Matty on April 18, 2009
at 10:01 pm
“Oh I see, only you understand Arsenal. the other million or so supporters cannot have an opinion.”
Was that your suggested topic of debate?
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 10:02 pm
Funny eh One-of-Us: PSB is back. Which rock was he hiding under? With the trash at the Looney Grovellers, I bet.
Since December when the team began to overcome the pall of negativity, the trash went into hiding. One loss later, they are back. We must be doing something right at ACLF.
By: shotta-gunna on April 18, 2009
at 10:02 pm
….RvPs preferred role is as a second striker…..but he is also very versatile and does any job required of him….he has said as much on many occasions…you just have him on one box….
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 10:02 pm
Ah let me think Poliziano we are on an Arsenal blog when we have lost.
And some peeps are happy and enjoyed the game.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 10:03 pm
… in one box…
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 10:03 pm
“I would have been happy if we won and was duly guted when Fabs came out to chase the shadow of the Drog and completely missed, i think in that case the biggest culprit was Sylvestre.”
See, I think the biggest culprit there was TOURE. Where the f*ck was he? Did you ever see Ade get the ball without both Terry and Alex around? Silv occupies Drogba while Toure runs past them both to get the ball…that’s how that should work.
By: nolaboyd on April 18, 2009
at 10:03 pm
…aaah…you are prone to read very selectively, no worries….
By: Frank on April 18, 2009
at 10:03 pm
Carry on, no worries.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 10:03 pm
and I’ve just read that prick Myles Palmer as well, he should just come out of the closet and admits he hates Arsenal.
I really get the impression he is gutted when we do well ? (not unlike a few others on here actually).
By: Matty on April 18, 2009
at 10:05 pm
“i dont want to debate RvP defensive work as rvp is in case a STRIKER…… in case you missed it….”
As Frank noted, RvP is a FOOTBALL PLAYER. If you have someone who can do that defensive work while also being a threat to score from anywhere, that’s exactly where you play him.
By: nolaboyd on April 18, 2009
at 10:06 pm
Do you want to debate whether it is right to enjoy the football match, or whether the said people did in fact enjoy the football match?
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 10:07 pm
eboue and fab was at fault for the first goal and silv and fab for the second…. other than that the defence was reasonably solid for the whole game… apart from eboue….who got worse and worse…..
the problem was the midfeild…. we werent direc enough and thats because we had nobody direct enough on the pitch…. by the time AA and nasri came on it was too late to change the game…
we should have gone for the jugular from the start and bombarded cech with shots….
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 10:08 pm
so where was adebayors defensive work??? nola…
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 10:09 pm
I acknowledge that fans have to feel angry after a loss of such magnitude. Complain as much as you like, cry even, tomorrow is another day, the sun will come up and might even be feeling better…..
You might even choose to break your tele or kick your dog or cat, but at the end of the day, you cant reverse time, you cant change the past, Wembley Semi between Arsenal and Chelsea is over – suck IT big time! we lost, simple! what is the best cause of action; I think a sane individual would rather look forward to the game against liverpool and the semis with MANU…..on the other hand some might choose to jump out of their windows…..in that case, i say safe journey wherever you end up in
By: space gunner on April 18, 2009
at 10:09 pm
Eh?
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 10:09 pm
We started the game very well and looked head and shoulders above Chelsea until we scored.
I cannot understand why Wenger played Van Persie on the left instead of the fresh Arshavin. He must have his reasons but I cannot understand what they are.
The Song for Denilson change is undertsandable, Song needed a rest while Denilson has been playing well all season.
We stopped passing the ball after they equalised. I hope they can pick themselves up for Tuesday and get back to the way they have been playing.
I am gutted but the boys can make up for it and turn it back around.
COME ON YOU GUNNERS!
By: Mean Lean on April 18, 2009
at 10:11 pm
My week is now destroyed.
Are you happy Jonjon?
Still i must look forwards to seeing Man U or Everton win something.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 10:11 pm
Now you’ve just stopped making sense, JonJon.
By: nolaboyd on April 18, 2009
at 10:12 pm
Exactly Mean Lean a man who tals sense at last!!
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 10:13 pm
what im afraid of ML is the knock on affect from this loss…. the momentum may have now gone and we will start to stuggle…..
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 10:13 pm
“Talks”
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 10:13 pm
space gunner, lay of the crack
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 10:13 pm
Everton all the way for me…..NO worries, dont worry, I think we have a game against Liverpool on Tuesday, A win and all you problems of the week will be cured. On the other hand, dont ignore the opposite because i think your week will truly be messed up
By: space gunner on April 18, 2009
at 10:14 pm
how are you feeling Darren my friend?
By: space gunner on April 18, 2009
at 10:14 pm
Mean Lean , do you like us to win? On here if we lose 10-0 every game it doesn’t matter they will find the positives.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 10:15 pm
It’s all about division of labour, nolaboyd. A winger should run up and down the edge of the pitch. If the ball is passed into his path, his motion will naturally carry it up the pitch. If he arrives at the end of the pitch with the ball, he should swivel through approximately 100 degree, and kick the ball into the penalty area. There, two strikers will be repeatedly making a kicking motion towards the goal. If the ball lands in the correct position, the motion of the striker’s foot will propel the ball towards the goal.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 10:15 pm
jonjon, you sound like alittle girl. arsene knows, have faith
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 10:15 pm
youve never made any sense nola…
no worries… no im not happy…im gutted and what makes it worse is that we played the team to suit chelseas style…..
the run in is going to be hard now after this loss and although 4th spot is almost secure… the cups arent…..and i wanted one badly this year….
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 10:16 pm
Unless Arshavin got a slight knock in training then he should have played. He has been our best option going forward since he joined.
Ditto with Song; injury is the only reason to leave out perhaps your two best players on current form. A physical battle would have suited Song.
I thought that the team battled manfully in the midfield melees and in the end defensive mistakes cost us.
If Arshavin wasn’t injured then Wenger simply got the selection wrong.
By: Alex Ice Cream on April 18, 2009
at 10:16 pm
darren….you sound like a right puff….
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 10:17 pm
Exactamo AIC.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 10:18 pm
But where did our momentum come from?
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 10:18 pm
space gunner, my bums a little itchy but other then that i’m perfect.
not happy with Fabianski though. he cracked big time
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 10:18 pm
jonjon, a puff pastrie?
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 10:19 pm
Arsene thought he knew about fabianski Darren. lol
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 10:19 pm
Hi Shotta. It’ll make for a lively few days but I’m sure they’ll be gone after we beat Liverpool on Tuesday.
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 10:19 pm
I believe you’ll find, JonJon, that Darren has very similar opinions to yours.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 10:19 pm
our momentum came from when we signed AA…. the same player who we dropped today for arguabley one of the biggest games of the season…
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 10:20 pm
either or darren…. you dont know me well enough to call me names…..
i’ll be reasonable if you are mate…
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 10:21 pm
Do you want to go and get a drink, OneOfUs? I’m tired of this.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 10:21 pm
no worries, see the choice you have is whether to be angry and sulky or remain positive after a loss. you are expressing you opinions on a blog, and i very much doubt whether Arsene wenger reads these comments…..people have watched soccer for generations upon generations, often good teams win, at some critical points they loose. I imagine that a lot of people felt really angry after the hand of god, but for me, soccer is about that one moment, i am looking forward to that day when this arsenal team will lift a trophy, and i am sure that the moment is coming, for that reason i might end up skinning my cat after we loose to chelsea or Liverpool, but at the end of the day I pick myself up and look forward to another game with the faith that we can win it…..pick you own poison man, your choice
By: space gunner on April 18, 2009
at 10:22 pm
Poliziano, why was that winger description directed to me?
By: nolaboyd on April 18, 2009
at 10:22 pm
no worries, arsene had to give him a chance. he wont trust him again though.
poliziano, you’re not old enough to drink, have one for me, goodnight
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 10:24 pm
I was just expanding on the argument JonJon made to you.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 10:25 pm
space gunner you need to lay of the peyote
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 10:25 pm
Why have faith that you can win tomorrow, when we could have won today? I thought it was a blog where you can discuss things like this and not just say “Oh well”
“we lost” “oh well” ” tomorrows another day” “it doesn’t matter” “never mind” “Denilson has a lovely set of stats ” “”never mind”
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 10:26 pm
nolaboyd it was aimed at you because you were one the worst winger in your school, werent you?
What do ou think about fabianski? Nerves?
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 10:27 pm
OK, you’re on PZ. I’ve found this entertaining though. It’s really cheered me up after a disappointing result.
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 10:27 pm
no worries, we played at wembley and were unlucky you ungratefull swine
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 10:28 pm
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/-we-didn-t-have-our-usual-fluency-today-
A proper assessment of the game and an explanation for the manager’s selection decisions. If people can’t accept that, it’s really their problem. Personally, I’m an Arsenal supporter, so I will continue to support through win or lose.
By: Passenal on April 18, 2009
at 10:29 pm
wenger doesnt do wingers…. we dont have any wingers at the club…. wenger plays strikers or attacking mids as wingers and always has done…..
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 10:29 pm
Is it me but all these guys all sound alike….1 person many alias methinks….Idjits as some ACLF would say!!
….I invite all these ‘fans’ back when we win the CL and take three place from the chavs….that’s with our first choice back 5 ofcause….
Special mention 4 Gibbs tonight he set up the goal and was MOTM….could give Cashley Cole a run for his money in the national team…CC looked awfully laboured and old against Theo…
……..Arsenal till we die………..
By: Maria on April 18, 2009
at 10:30 pm
Just got in from the game today.
Not happy at all, why was AA left out?
We didn’t even go down fighting – I thought the line up was weird, the substitutions weird!
Really thought we were gonna win today!
Very deflated!
By: Remi on April 18, 2009
at 10:30 pm
no worries, you conjecture that why have faith you win tomorrow when we could have won today, doesnt make sense because we didnt win today and therefore the only option you have is about the next game and the one after next into the future…
Darren, what the heck is paynote?
I think Fabianski is a good keeper who plays well with a good defense in front of him. I think the nerves got into him seeing that the likes of Syilvestre were a little shaky
By: space gunner on April 18, 2009
at 10:31 pm
Second best is first loser darren.
Why not ask Arsene if he was happy to lose?
You seem to be.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 10:31 pm
“i’ll be reasonable if you are mate…”
Why start now? You and nw counter every argument with “you can’t face reality…stop patronising me.”
Actually nw’s “I’m pissed off until Tuesday now” explains you two. You love Arsenal, and thus should be tolerated. But you’re also immature, and so if you feel this bad after a loss, IT MUST BE SOMEONE’S FAULT! Thus you can’t accept that, not having been in training the past few days, you don’t have the relevant info to make sweeping judgments about team selection. Because SOMEONE MUST BE TO BLAME! It can’t just be because we played very hard against a very good team on a crappy pitch and had our rookie keeper have a bad game, compounded by some mental errors by our 2nd and 3rd choice defenders.
Sometimes you lose. No one enjoys it. But it’s not always because someone screwed up. That billionaire who owns Chelsea wanted to win today too.
By: nolaboyd on April 18, 2009
at 10:31 pm
jonjon, he relies on his full backs as wingers. what do you rely on? poliziano relies on viagra
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 10:32 pm
so song wasnt injured…. he was rested…..
what wories me is that wenger said we have two bigger targets to go for….. in other words he purposely fielded a weakened team today with one eye on the pool game…..
thanks alot arsene….
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 10:32 pm
You coming, Ponyboy? I need that bottle of vodka to wash away the memory of JonJon, Darren, and no worries. I will never understand why they have come here.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 10:33 pm
Nolaboyd you need to learn to agree with us then. Then you wouldn’t argue with us like you are!
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 10:34 pm
i rely on my manager to pick his strongest team for a semi final of the biggest dometic cup competitions in the world against one of our rivals….
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 10:34 pm
I came to talk Arsenal.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 10:35 pm
poliziano…. its abit late for you to be going out now isnt it???? the sweet shop has closed mate….
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 10:36 pm
Maria,
Your right Gibbs was very good!
Still as deflated as I am will still be at Anfield
Keep the faith!
By: Remi on April 18, 2009
at 10:36 pm
Jonjon, what happens when your manager doenst meet your expectations, who do you throw punches at?
By: space gunner on April 18, 2009
at 10:36 pm
no worries, no worries….
do you think denilson and diaby are good enough????
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 10:37 pm
no worries, wenger is a professor, have faith in him to always make the correct decisions.
Space gunner, peyote is a mind altering drug used by native americans to go to the spiritual world.
Poliziano, why are you still here i thought you were going down the pub?
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 10:37 pm
i love my manager….but that doesnt mean he escapes my critisism……space gunner….
weve done well to get this far but to lose without playing your best team is unforgiveable really….
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 10:38 pm
I need a drink too.
By: shotta-gunna on April 18, 2009
at 10:39 pm
Remi, you are the people that keep me loving football and keeping the faith even in the darkest of days….I cant go to the Arsenal games because I dont live in the UK, but I imagine fans like you who pay to attend these matches even when you have to criss cross the country and watch us tonked at some nothern village but still have the will to express some faith despite the loss….you guys are stars
By: space gunner on April 18, 2009
at 10:39 pm
Has Wenger brainwashed you or something Darren?
Is he a cult that you cannot question?
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 10:40 pm
wenger is always questionable no worries…. thats why he is paid so much money and thats what alot of gooners fail to realise…
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 10:41 pm
mo worries, yes thats exacly right
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 10:42 pm
Hahahah
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 10:45 pm
this is an endless loop that doesnt change anything…..you guys can continue spewing your melancholy but that doenst change anything……get over the loss! maybe after that you can be a little objective..out of here
By: space gunner on April 18, 2009
at 10:47 pm
Is this what is known as spam?
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 10:49 pm
We lost because Wenger fucked up. and he will do it again .. Last year v Spuds Last year v ManU.
This year v Spuds. This year v Chelsea.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 10:50 pm
Poliziano, what happened in the pub? Wouldn’t they serve you?
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 10:51 pm
i can be as obejective as i want spacegunner….
but if we dont win the CL now we will look back on this game as the turning point and yet again blame our trophlyless season on injuries and pitches and referees……when it is in fact lineups, tactics and substitutions that has messed us up all season……
the CL is all we have left….. lets hope we win it or wenger will have alot to answer for…..
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 10:51 pm
Cheers Space Gunner
Win, lose or draw their my team and as much as the hacked me off today I still love them!
We really do support the greatest football team on the planet!
Come on you Gunners!
By: Remi on April 18, 2009
at 10:51 pm
jonjon we will win it, relax we have no need to fear anyone
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 10:53 pm
Oh it’s the I’m the best Arsenal supporter competition now is it ? lol.
I love youuuuu .
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 10:54 pm
It’s just a heap of shit, isn’t it? A complete load of bollocks.
What are they trying to achieve? They’ve never contributed to this site, and yet when we lose they appear, writing the same message again and again, without a trace of reason. They accuse others of enjoying the loss, while reveling in it themselves.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 10:55 pm
Darren we can fear chelsea for a start.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 10:55 pm
Yeah, fancy trying to be a loyal Arsenal supporter. Idiots crack me right up.
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 10:55 pm
love you too!!!!!
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 10:55 pm
I’m the best ACLF blogger competition now. lol
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 10:57 pm
Having seen the highlights it was really poor defending from Eboue for the first goal. He let Malouda cut in far too easily and it was poor goalkeeping to be beaten at the near post.
It reminded me of Eto’o’s goal in in the CL final in 06.
By: Alex Ice Cream on April 18, 2009
at 10:58 pm
Poliziano go down the pub, I know a place called the big red which will serve anyone
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 10:58 pm
It’s like the playground of a special school.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 11:00 pm
I agree, AIC, both were really cheap goals to concede
By: space gunner on April 18, 2009
at 11:02 pm
Poliziano. I said it ruined my week losing.
Someone else said they enjoyed the game. What an Arsenal supporter enjoying a game where we lost!!!
Look it up.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 11:02 pm
If people are really interested in knowing why the manager made the decisions he made – follow the link I posted. But those who are shouting the loudest probably aren’t interested in anything that might undermine their ranting.
By: Passenal on April 18, 2009
at 11:02 pm
“the CL is all we have left….. lets hope we win it or wenger will have alot to answer for…..”
Who will Wenger have to answer to?
By: Steve on April 18, 2009
at 11:03 pm
the people who pay his wages steve……
i wonder if kreonke and gazidis like a manager who drops his best players for the semi final of one of the most prestigious trophies in world footnall??????
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 11:06 pm
Do you really believe what he says in public is the truth?
Wenger spin buddy get your own opinion.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 11:06 pm
ah the Wenger spin man is back.
By: Steve on April 18, 2009
at 11:06 pm
good question Steve, certainly not no worries and Jonjon
By: space gunner on April 18, 2009
at 11:06 pm
I’ve never witnesses an outpouring of crap sustained for so long on here before.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 11:07 pm
i read the article passenal and i also commented on it….. it was worrying when wenger said we have two bigger targets to go for…. which tells me he fielded a weakened side with one eye on the pool game…. and song was never injured…. he should of played…. form players play….. end off….
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 11:07 pm
Passenal,
I read what AW says on Arsenal.com but it does not answer the big question: why no Arshavin?
By: Alex Ice Cream on April 18, 2009
at 11:08 pm
We have and we thought we would assist you in putting it right Poliziano. lol
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 11:08 pm
hahaha
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 11:09 pm
Wenger has to answer to nobody. His record is top notch. It is he who managed to get us to the semi-finals not you so called supporters. Many of you would of wanted Kompany and Barry in our team.
By: Steve on April 18, 2009
at 11:09 pm
Who will Wenger have to answer to?
good question Steve, certainly not no worries and Jonjon
Don’t be so sure. Wenger does a lot of work in the community. He may be meeting these lads at some point.
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 11:10 pm
Wenger didn’t play Arshavin because Arsene says so. Full stop. end of debate.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 11:10 pm
Incredible! This is what passes for wit.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 11:10 pm
“We have and we thought we would assist you in putting it right Poliziano. lol”
That says it all for me.
By: Steve on April 18, 2009
at 11:11 pm
Probably sideways if Denilson does it.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 11:12 pm
thats where your wrong steve…. i didnt want kompany or barry but i did want alonso…
and wenger does have alot to answer for…. thats why hes paid so much as manager as a football club….his past record is top notch but his recent record is under scrutiny…. especially after this season…. a CL win is the only way out or he will be forced to change the squad this summer whether he likes it or not…
take your head out of the sand pal…..
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 11:13 pm
so wenger does it as voluntary work…. the people who pay wengers wages are the ppl who he answers too and in case you all missed it the board is changing hands and we are seeing new ppl in charge….
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 11:14 pm
You could always debate it Steve . unless you are scared.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 11:15 pm
I have faith in the squad, and you are not my pal.
By: Steve on April 18, 2009
at 11:15 pm
poliziano why do you bother commenting on things you find silly? why not ignore it or go down the cyber pub?
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 11:16 pm
no worries when an idiot comes out with a statement like, “unless you are scared”, I tend to take very little notice of them any more.
By: Steve on April 18, 2009
at 11:17 pm
i have faith in the majority of the sqaud….just not diaby or denilson or ade…….
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 11:17 pm
Steve when someone cannot debate and calls me a idiot. I tend to agree.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 11:18 pm
All your comments on this blog will not change the minds of the positive people on here. We will support The Arsenal whatever happens.
By: Steve on April 18, 2009
at 11:19 pm
There’s no point in talking to them, Steve. They must be completely pissed, or they’d try harder to conceal their stupidity.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 11:19 pm
“I read what AW says on Arsenal.com but it does not answer the big question: why no Arshavin?”
The way I read it, we needed more height and players who could attack and defend because of the makeshift nature of our defence.
By: Passenal on April 18, 2009
at 11:19 pm
jonjon, denilsons stats are brilliant, he is the best dm in the prmiership. Diaby has more potential then any player in the top flight. Agree about ade, his body language after the substitution was disgusting
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 11:21 pm
JonJon,
Why would you want to change the squad? Maybe one or two defensive players assuming everyone stays but change the squad? These players are improving at a fast pace and have done well this season. The Double teams in 02 and 04 didn’t get into the CL semis.
We had so many players out today it was a joke and we lost a tight game which is not enough to warrant changing the squad
By: Alex Ice Cream on April 18, 2009
at 11:21 pm
So to some it up so far the debate goes like. we are idiots, we are care in the community, special needs, we don’t want Arsenal to win, we must not question Arsene or the ACLF gang will go down the cyber pub.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 11:21 pm
what i dont get is why ppl are defending playing rvp LW….
nasris played there all year…. AA comes in the team and plays there…….
yet for a semi final wenger decides to show off his tactical genius and play rvp there for defensive reasons when rvp is an attcking player and never done defensive wok in his whole career………
jeez…. some ppl are so blinded its untrue…..
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 11:21 pm
Look Jonjon Arsene said so OKAY!!
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 11:24 pm
Passenal,
AW mentions Song specifically to explain his absence but not Arshavin. Why not?
Not playing your best player on current form unless due to fitness was a mistake in my opinion.
By: Alex Ice Cream on April 18, 2009
at 11:24 pm
AIC that is what we have been trying to say or even Nasri. Our best form of defence today was attack and possession.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 11:27 pm
AIC….
dont want the squad changed too much…. get rid of ade and diaby…maybe eboue and add a few quality players here and there…..but if we dont win the CL now….. no matter what the players say cesc robin ade maybe off and wenger wont have much choice…. player power is higher now than ever and the only way to keep your players is to win trophies or they go……
flamini, hleb proved that last year….i wonder who goes this year….
the CL is sooo important now its beyond just seeing siverware…. its keeping the best players at the club…..
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 11:29 pm
JonJon,
That’s something I can agree with. RvP has never had a good game at left-wing
By: Alex Ice Cream on April 18, 2009
at 11:29 pm
Alex ice cream, it was not a mistake, he thought the team he played was good enough to win, we have no need to fear any team in the world, man u, real madrid, barca, chelsea, we can defeat them all when we play well
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 11:29 pm
Like today Darren.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 11:30 pm
He cocked up admit it!!
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 11:32 pm
no worries, today was a blip, we will win the champions league with no problems, have faith in arsene, doubt him at the exspense of this club
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 11:33 pm
darren thats true… we can beat anyone when we play well but it helps when we pick our best team….
by dropping AA song and even nasri we didnt have much chance…..
and thats why im so annoyed with wenger…..we could of had chelsea today and we drop our in form players?????? i dont get it….. tactics dont come into it, we should of played our own game not worried about chelseas…..
wenger got it wrong…
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 11:33 pm
AIC, from what I heard of the City match last week AA had some defensive difficuties during that game. You’re the manager, having just lost your entire back 5, what would be your biggest worry?
I didn’t see the match today, but didn’t we concede the second goal AFTER AA was substituted in?
By: notlager on April 18, 2009
at 11:34 pm
jonjon, he obviously thought they needed rest
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 11:34 pm
We blipped in the Champs League against Barca, We blipped against the Spuds last year, we blipped against Man U last year, we blipped against the Spuds this year, We had Eboue left wing, we had Song right back. Wenger is a serial blipper.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 11:37 pm
sorry should have said “lost almost your back 5″ ….
By: notlager on April 18, 2009
at 11:38 pm
you dont rest your best players…. chelsea havent rested lampard in about 5 years…. liverpool dont rest gerrard…… manutd dont rest ronaldo….
you dont rest your big players for big games……
and AA didnt play midweek so its stupid to rest him…
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 11:39 pm
thats true no worries….
when wenger gets it wrong he gets it badly wrong….
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 11:40 pm
How can any Arsenal supporter not see the match today?
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 11:40 pm
JonJon,
I have criticised Ade this season but if he wants to stay an works hard then I would want him to stay. In fact, I would prefer that we kept as many of our players as possible as it is difficult to replace them. Who would you replace Ade with? He had no service today; not one decent pass.
I rate Diaby but he can never stay fit enough to get a run of games which has really hampered his development.
I agree that success is vital to keeping our players but getting to the CL semi is a good indicator of what this squad could achieve.
By: Alex Ice Cream on April 18, 2009
at 11:41 pm
Very funny. Jon jon do you really believe that Benetiz would have sold us Alonso without getting Barry.
You are a bit naive then.
Your real name would not be Geoff…..
By: kaalhoveddk on April 18, 2009
at 11:41 pm
the best form of defence is attack and AA is one of our most potent attakers….
and what can RVP offer defensively that AA cant….
ive never seen RVP play a defensive role ever so why???????
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 11:42 pm
no worries, thats right Arsenal are the only team who are able to lose games.
By: notlager on April 18, 2009
at 11:43 pm
AIC Ade has shown his true colours, that can never be undone, he doesn’t work hard on £80,000 – £120,000 a week when do you think he may start to?
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 11:43 pm
AIC,
I read it the same way as Passenal. We were up against a tall and physical team and had a really makeshift backline. This really forced AW’s hand.
We needed more physicality in the team than on Wednesday while of course rotating to keep players fresh for the rest of the season.
Diaby is a decent choice if you want a bit more presence in the team. We needed his height for set pieces especially.
It was working OK: Chelsea had a spell at the end of the 1st 45 but didn’t make an attack of note in the second half until around 70 mins.
They scored from 2 defensive lapses. The killer goal came at 84 minutes – which kind of suggests that AW’s lack of faith in his depleted defence was justified. Our normal backline would have coped easily enough.
Oh well, the injuries have really cost us unfortunately.
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 11:44 pm
how was AA’s offensive effect in his time on the pitch?
By: notlager on April 18, 2009
at 11:45 pm
look kaal
the barry deal depended on the alonso deal…. if we would of given them the money they wanted for alonso they would of afforded to buy barry and both deals would of gone through but we didnt offer enough so they couldnt buy barry as they had already forked out 30mil for kean and reira…
jeez… not so funny is it mate…
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 11:46 pm
Notlager so we play to be, er okay!
I have quite like us to win these big games every now and again, wouldn’t you?
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 11:46 pm
Oneof us. that didn’t work against Stoke, Why try it again?
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 11:47 pm
rvp has a more physical presence and tracks back
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 11:47 pm
I’m seriously down because we’ve put ourselves in a tight corner.
Eboue was at fault for the first goal, allowing the ball to drop to Malouda who was in an outside position. Eboue showed no seriousness in the game and had to be helped several times by Toure. He could not handle Malouda even though Malouda lacked much pace.
I will rather blame Toure rather than Sylvestre. Everyone knows Sylvestre lacks pace and it was the duty of Toure to be near Drogba to counter Drogba’s pace. Toure was about 4 yards off from Drogba when the long ball came.
Sylvestre held Drogba well except that challenge but his lack of pace did him in. Toure should have been there to double-team against Drogba; that is what Alex and Terry did on Ade.
Song should have played instead of Denilson. I don’t rate Denilson and his good stats is not reflected in his passing and skills on the field of play. Denilson is not ready.
Playing Cesc upfield instead of deep just to accommodate Denilson caused Cesc to be marked out and Ade starved of supplies.
Denilson is not creative enough and Arsene’s insistent on fielding and playing Cesc out of position was the major cause of our non-creativity in midfield.
We have a new star in the making named GIBBS and he’s a local boy. May he continue to improve.
By: Howard on April 18, 2009
at 11:49 pm
Than who Darren . Berbatov. lol
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 11:49 pm
we should of played our in form team….. and not put square pegs in round holes……
rvp hasnt played left wing since his teenage years so why play him there now when nasri and AA are fit?????
why play cesc in the hole when he cant play there and why play diaby as a DM when his defensive game is shit and hes tactically unintelligent……
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 11:50 pm
OR Nasri?
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 11:50 pm
big game n°1 this season: Arsenal Mancs 2-1
big game n°2 this season: Chelski Arsenal 1-2
every now and what? forever?
By: notlager on April 18, 2009
at 11:51 pm
no worries,
I have slated Ade all season long on this blog but he has looked more motivated since his return from injury. He has been key in Europe this year. At his best he is a nightmare to defend against and although there are some rough edges to his game he is only 25 and will improve. If his attitude is right he is definitely an asset.
Who would you replace him with?
By: Alex Ice Cream on April 18, 2009
at 11:51 pm
tracks back against who ivanivich?????
chelsea are shite out wide we had nothing to fear whatsoever out on the wings…rvp playing there for defensive reasons makes no sense at all…
we should of used the wings to our advantage instead wenger made it easy for them….
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 11:52 pm
No Jon, Villa did not want to sell.It’s not that difficult to understand or is it……
By: kaalhoveddk on April 18, 2009
at 11:53 pm
Was that your cup final this year darren? We beat the team that won the title whoopie.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 11:53 pm
NW, our creative players are small. Try imagining AA or Nasri marking Lampard, Terry, Alex, Ivanovic or Ballack on a corner. It’s the stuff of f*cking nightmares, especially when you remember that these guys would have the job of protecting depleted defence.
Wenger has put us in a position when we have these big games coming thick and fast at the end of every season. This time we were incredibly unlucky to be missing so many defenders.
NW, where the fück have you been all season? Where were you commenting when were surviving without Cesc, Dudu, Rosicky and Theo. Where were you during the unbeaten run? All of a sudden, after one bad result you show up and expect people to take you seriously.
Fück right off.
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 11:53 pm
JonJon & no worries, why were you not on here for the last 20 odd games we were unbeaten. Do you just like to moan when we lose and cannot find time when we don’t.
By: Steve on April 18, 2009
at 11:53 pm
not lager… and for both big games we played our best players and got the result… wenger tinkered today and it went wrong…
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 11:54 pm
Exactly, Steve. That’s the problem here.
By: OneOfUs on April 18, 2009
at 11:54 pm
AIC . How much are you going to sell him for so I can play silly championship manager?
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 11:54 pm
That’s the style, OneOfUs. It makes me sick reading this shit.
By: Poliziano on April 18, 2009
at 11:55 pm
Ah Steve .. a quick change of goalposts.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 11:55 pm
AFTER THE LIVERPOOL GAME CECH WAS SHAKING LIKE A JELLY.HOW MANY TIMES DID WE TEST HIM WITH LONG SHOTS AND CROSSES? NEVER
SURELY WENGER TOLD THE PLAYERS TO TEST HIM OUT
THE TEAM SELECTION WAS WRONG
THE FORMATION WAS WRONG RVP IS NOT A WINGER FFS
THE TACTICS WERE WRONG
AND THATS WHY THE RESULT WAS WRONG
NEVER MIND THERE IS ALWAYS NEXT YEAR
By: Peter Storeys Budgie on April 18, 2009
at 11:56 pm
jonjon, has anyone ever told you that your the spit of BA Baracus
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 11:56 pm
Beat me to it Al
By: Steve on April 18, 2009
at 11:57 pm
ive just found the site steve….. i was roaming and i thought id comment…. and i was jumped on by everyone so i though id stick around for abit…..
dont get me wrong i think wengers a great manager…. but just by me saying he got it wrong today, which he did doesnt make me a bad naughty person…..
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 11:57 pm
Poliziano, then why read it?
By: Darren on April 18, 2009
at 11:57 pm
Budgie have you got a dodgy keyboard?
By: Steve on April 18, 2009
at 11:58 pm
Darreen. coz he loves it but cannot debate and resorts to name calling.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 11:59 pm
crazy fool….. i wanted a picture or bergkamp but i couldnt find a decent one so i got the next best thing…. i aint getting on no plane….
By: JonJon on April 18, 2009
at 11:59 pm
Sorry Darren take a “e” out of your name.
By: no worries on April 18, 2009
at 11:59 pm
OH I FORGOT KIERAN GIBBS IS EVEN BETTER THAN THAT PILE OF SHITE CASHLEY”JUDAS”COLE
By: Peter Storeys Budgie on April 18, 2009
at 11:59 pm
Cannot argue with that PSB. lol
By: no worries on April 19, 2009
at 12:00 am
jonjon, thats what bergkamp used to say “I aint getting on no plane wenger you fool”
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 12:00 am
Poliziano were is your mates to help you out it looks like JON JON and NO Worries put you in your place you big girl.
By: spoiled brat on April 19, 2009
at 12:01 am
yes budgie…. someone who talks sense….
never mind there is always next year….but our best players will leave so dont worry theres always the year after… but our best players will leave again…but dont worry theres always the year after next…..
becoming a vicious circle isnt it….
By: JonJon on April 19, 2009
at 12:01 am
OOU,
I am not convinced. I see the reasoning which is why we played 4-5-1. I would still have played Arshavin instead of Robin.
We created practically nothing in the second half.
By: Alex Ice Cream on April 19, 2009
at 12:01 am
So you just found (by accident) the most positive gooner site and thought you would come on an moan lot. Why tonight off all night were you trawling the blogs if not just for a moan.
By: Steve on April 19, 2009
at 12:02 am
Jon, for both those games we had our back 4 NOT injured. Do you think Wenger would have gone for this formation had he had all our defenders fit and running?
Is it too difficult to comprehend that a manager has to make decisions based on what who of his players are available to him rather than pleasing a spoilt audience?
By: notlager on April 19, 2009
at 12:03 am
Steve . Be a big boy and not worry about that and debate.
By: no worries on April 19, 2009
at 12:03 am
rvp should say the same thing….. i aint playing on the wing you crazy fool…….
By: JonJon on April 19, 2009
at 12:04 am
Diaby. “I like passing in my own box Wenger you crazy fool!”
By: no worries on April 19, 2009
at 12:06 am
no worries I have yet to see any debate. All I have seen is the same crap from you. You think Wenger made a mistake, that is your opinion, I however think he has done well to even get us to the semi.
By: Steve on April 19, 2009
at 12:07 am
steves a little boy, he’s only seven
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 12:07 am
wenger had four of his back 5 injured….. yet we have been told all season that eboue is one of the best RBs in the PL and Silvestre is a good player…. so the defnse wasnt really that weak was it…. unless your saying that EE is shit??????
so…. if your defense is so frail why then do you make you midfield just as frail and play rvp and cesc out of position and leave your in form players…..AA and song on the bench???????? it defies logic to strengthen your squad by weakening it…….never heard of that tactic before….
By: JonJon on April 19, 2009
at 12:08 am
AIC,
AA vs RvP could have been decided on premiership experience.
NW,
You haven’t debated at all. PZ was trying to get you to debate for an hour, to no avail.
By: OneOfUs on April 19, 2009
at 12:08 am
It is now starting to become childish.
By: Steve on April 19, 2009
at 12:08 am
denilson i should of been sent off for assualting the referee and i have the best stats but im still shit you crazy fool…
By: JonJon on April 19, 2009
at 12:09 am
Starting?!!
By: OneOfUs on April 19, 2009
at 12:09 am
Say it Slooowwwly “Yes Wenger done well getting us to the semi finals of the FA cup and I am happy with 3rd/4th best”
I ain’t not losing when he put out a piss poor team selection today.
By: no worries on April 19, 2009
at 12:10 am
Steve You can be positive as much as you like . The point is we lost and you seem happy to lose. If we criticise it does not make lesser fans than you. With other fans I defend our players with a passion but between Arsenal fan we can discuss what went wrong in the game and there is nothing wrong with that. So what went wrong today? I know the pitch was bad thats why we lost.
By: spoiled brat on April 19, 2009
at 12:11 am
one of us….
that makes no sense….. AA vs RVP on PL experience?????
robin doesnt play left wing and hasnt done in years……
so i dont get it??????
By: JonJon on April 19, 2009
at 12:11 am
JonJon you are now sounding like a broken record. I think we all have got the point you are making.
By: Steve on April 19, 2009
at 12:11 am
I bet after the game Fabianski was shouting
“ITS MY BIRTHDAY SUCKA !!!”
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 12:11 am
steve well make a valid point to back up your debate or im going to have to keep sounding like a broken record aint i??????
By: JonJon on April 19, 2009
at 12:12 am
Brat no one is happy losing, but keep harping on all night about the same thing is not going to change anything now.
By: Steve on April 19, 2009
at 12:13 am
Spoiled brat it is not being happy about losing. Its down to being supportive of wenger whos given the club so much
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 12:13 am
If the ref had of lost his balance today like in the de Canio inccident Denilson was on a lengthy ban, and knowing how the Fa treat us that would be career over. In this country.
By: no worries on April 19, 2009
at 12:13 am
OOU,
Why? Arshavin has been our most decisive attacker since he joined. We are handicapped by not having him in Europe and now willingly deprive ourselves of him in the cup semi?
Andrey is a little genius and today could have been his big stage.
By: Alex Ice Cream on April 19, 2009
at 12:14 am
and ade was saying im a celebrity……get me out of here……..
By: JonJon on April 19, 2009
at 12:15 am
Steve- a constructive debate is a good thing. Can you please tell me what went wrong today be honest please and give me your assessment of the game.
By: spoiled brat on April 19, 2009
at 12:16 am
As I saw it, JonJon, RvP was in a supporting striker role but he was dropping deep.
AIC,
That’s something we may never know. RvP’s been good for a few goals this season though.
By: OneOfUs on April 19, 2009
at 12:16 am
“and ade was saying im a celebrity……get me out of here……..”
This is where you let yourself down JonJon. Very immature comment.
By: Steve on April 19, 2009
at 12:18 am
Hang on where is FRANK? lol
Come on in the morning when we have all gone Eh.
By: no worries on April 19, 2009
at 12:19 am
i was having a laugh with darren, steve….. nothing immature about it….. just lightening up the place with a bit of humour……
but its true though…. ade was a joke today… not for the first time i might add..
By: JonJon on April 19, 2009
at 12:21 am
Brat, constructive debate is a good thing when it can alter the outcome of future events. As we are unable to alter or influence Arsene’s mind what good is constructive debate going to do.
By: Steve on April 19, 2009
at 12:21 am
Of course all blogs will alter future events at Arsenal.
Or are blogs a place to debate with fellow Gooners?
By: no worries on April 19, 2009
at 12:23 am
Wenger cocked up his team selection today. ahh
By: no worries on April 19, 2009
at 12:24 am
That word “debate” again. Without irony.
By: OneOfUs on April 19, 2009
at 12:24 am
You know, when you know what’s coming. lol like a book.
By: no worries on April 19, 2009
at 12:25 am
JonJon,
Ade didn’t have one decent pass all game and was often left isolated against both Alex and Terry.
We could never get him in the game which wasn’t his fault.
By: Alex Ice Cream on April 19, 2009
at 12:25 am
no worries, your opinion of our squad is different to mine, I think we have a good squad, you do not. We will not change each others mind on this I fear.
By: Steve on April 19, 2009
at 12:26 am
thats what i thought too NW……
but sometimes when your vote isnt with the ‘norm’ you get judged badly…. a sort of blogging predjudice…..
some ppl are soooo ‘bloggist’…….
By: JonJon on April 19, 2009
at 12:26 am
No worries-Frank is crying in bed holding his teddy.
Steve I agree it will not change the result or future games but we can still discuss tactics, what went wrong etc no harm in that.
By: spoiled brat on April 19, 2009
at 12:31 am
AIC…..
one of my biggest pet hates about ade is that he doesnt run or chase anything…. he never closes down and he never puts the defence underpressure…. the chelsea defence were given too much time to lump the ball long and ade was strolling around letting them do it…. watch the highlights theres enough proof on them if you watch……
and he plays the same every game…
By: JonJon on April 19, 2009
at 12:32 am
Brat no harm in that as long as it stops short of selling half the squad.
JonJon I don’t know if you were at the game or watched on TV, but if you go to other live games you should know that TV never shows players running off the ball. Ade does a lot of that which cameras do not see,
By: Steve on April 19, 2009
at 12:34 am
i watch games on TV and go to the games too….
even on tv you can see ade in the picture 5-10yards away from the ball and he doesnt attempt to get there…..
he doesnt run….. hes shite….
By: JonJon on April 19, 2009
at 12:36 am
I think ades a usefull striker for any team. Its his atitude that lts him down. The shrugs when he was subbed. Making a crazy fool out of wenger. Not on in my opinion. Maybe sell ade and bring in martins or Mark Bright
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 12:36 am
That is a stupid comment JonJon. Ade is far from shite.
By: Steve on April 19, 2009
at 12:37 am
Steve. can you find me the bit where I said we don’t have a decent squad please?
By: no worries on April 19, 2009
at 12:38 am
hes far from good too steve….
By: JonJon on April 19, 2009
at 12:38 am
Is that why other teams what him then, because he is far from good?
By: Steve on April 19, 2009
at 12:40 am
no worries, you said it in your comment 12.02.
In that comment you also said you are thinking of changing your hair style to a red mohican
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 12:40 am
no we should sell ade and buy a top quality midfielder and a top qualiy defender…..
we dont need another striker we have enough…. unless villa or aguero becomes available…..
By: JonJon on April 19, 2009
at 12:40 am
Darren,
Did Ade shrug when he was subbed?
By: Alex Ice Cream on April 19, 2009
at 12:40 am
The problem with this debate is people are putting word in other peoples mouths.
If jonjon got £25 million for Ade why would you assume he would want Martins or Mark Bright that is not debate is it?
By: no worries on April 19, 2009
at 12:41 am
If we signed mark bright we could all sing -
Marky Bright Bright Bright !!!!
Marky Bright Bright Bright !!!!
Oh yeah !!!
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 12:42 am
Darren I have no comment at 12.02.
By: no worries on April 19, 2009
at 12:42 am
So sell Ade and buy another top midfielder, who?
By: Steve on April 19, 2009
at 12:43 am
Alex Cornetto,
Ade did shrug, he mopped off like a child who’s been told to get off the climbing frame
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 12:44 am
Alonso.
By: no worries on April 19, 2009
at 12:44 am
Ade did not shrug
By: Steve on April 19, 2009
at 12:45 am
well the way i see it steve is that cesc is our only top quality CM…. song is getting there but diaby and denilson arent just yet…. so we need another….someone like alonso or veloso would do nicely…..
maybe another wide player in there too… in case rosicky dont come back….
By: JonJon on April 19, 2009
at 12:45 am
I think Alonso’s made himself priceless this season, he’s been there best player
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 12:45 am
Steve, ade did shrug. Please dont make me tell you this again or i shall be forced to spank you
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 12:46 am
Liverpool are skint £25 mill would see him at Arsenal.with change.
By: no worries on April 19, 2009
at 12:47 am
Were any off you lot the ones clamouring for Fabianski in goal instead of Almunia? I bet you were.
By: Steve on April 19, 2009
at 12:47 am
I bet I wasn’t!!
By: no worries on April 19, 2009
at 12:48 am
too right darren he has…. but liverpool pissed him off last year and if they go for barry again, who will be at a knock down price because he is in the last year of his contract, where will alonso play????
ade did shrug and he strolled off the pitch like a spoilt brat….. hopefully he’ll kick up another fuss in the window like i fully expect him to and we get rid of the lazy baby….
By: JonJon on April 19, 2009
at 12:49 am
25 million ffs are you mad
By: Steve on April 19, 2009
at 12:49 am
Or the year before I couldn’t wait to see Lehmann dropped, cost us the champs League and nearly cost us the invincible season.
By: no worries on April 19, 2009
at 12:50 am
Fabianski has to go. He completely shit his pants
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 12:52 am
Steve..the question was if you sold Ade what midfield player would you buy. Now Ade is said to be worth £25 million plus and I said Alonso with change, can you tell me why I am mad?
By: no worries on April 19, 2009
at 12:52 am
spank me hard darren…..
and i also think fabianski will still make a top keeper…. almunia has made fuckups like that all through his career with us… starting with the CL final….
By: JonJon on April 19, 2009
at 12:52 am
I am away, no worries is getting a bit dafter than darren now. A sensible person can only take so much crap. Nite all.
By: Steve on April 19, 2009
at 12:52 am
no worries, You are mad because no one will have change for 25 million. Do you not have anything smaller?
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 12:54 am
Steve slagging me off again because you are not capable of debate.
By: no worries on April 19, 2009
at 12:54 am
id drive ade to whatever club we could get 25mil from and id pay 18 for alonso……… easy….
18mil for a midfeilder in the top 5 of the PL easy……
By: JonJon on April 19, 2009
at 12:54 am
Did you not read the comments Liverpool are in debt up to there eyeballs they have to refinance all there loans this summer.
Mad?
By: no worries on April 19, 2009
at 12:56 am
liverpool cant even afford to pay off the loan gillete and hicks took out to buy them…..
they will sell some players in the summer definately….
By: JonJon on April 19, 2009
at 12:57 am
Right I am going to bed now. Thanks for the debate guys, I have not resorted to name calling etc.
Also to Yogi your writing on the blog is excellent mate!!
By: no worries on April 19, 2009
at 12:59 am
agree yogi does a top write up…….
By: JonJon on April 19, 2009
at 1:00 am
I havent got a clue who Yogi is but he sounds cool.
Good night and god bless
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 1:02 am
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By: Top Posts « WordPress.com on April 19, 2009
at 1:21 am
i wonder if kreonke and gazidis like a manager who drops his best players for the semi final of one of the most prestigious trophies in world footnall??????
It’s bad enough to plagiarise opinions and pass them off as your own.
It’s worse when those opinions belong to Myles Palmer.
By: crafty bison on April 19, 2009
at 1:34 am
I really, really hope the Sunday papers don’t focus on Denilson pushing the ref.
By: crafty bison on April 19, 2009
at 1:43 am
speaking from the perspective of living in a town where Kroenke owns three of the four sports teams and two of the stadiums I don’t think Kroenke cares at all how Arsenal do. The only sport he is involved in at all outside of looking for a profit is basketball. Whoever suggested that he’s paying attention to Wenger’s lineups, whether it was that c$nt myles palmer or the le grove idiots who have been posting here all day, is full of absolute and utter tosh.
Darren, jonjon, no worries, and all the other shite posters just f#ck off and go back to your arsenal/ade/wenger bashing on your own schoolboy blog. scrolling through the posts for the last hours it’s obvious why there are no regulars posting on here, this blog has been overrun by the cockroaches migrating from their own garbage heap.
By: Gris Gris on April 19, 2009
at 1:46 am
Chelsea outplayed us. The better team on the day won. They somehow have more desire to win the cup than we do. I am sick of hearing about how our players are hungry for success. Not in this case it seems.
By: Ole Gunner on April 19, 2009
at 2:30 am
Fabianski is being blamed for the goal.
SILVESTRE!!!!!!
That’s the feccker who gave the goal away. He actually stopped chasing Drogba!
By: Ole Gunner on April 19, 2009
at 2:40 am
SOS! SOS SOS!
The crazies are out. The loonies are out.
Arsenal loses to Chelsea and the lunatics have are loose on the web.
SOS! SOS! SOS1
By: shotta-gunna on April 19, 2009
at 3:21 am
Phew … coast clear?
Crazy people!!
We lost. Maybe AW made a mistake a maybe he didn’t and had reasons, he had a few difficult decisions to make. Maybe Chelsea’s experience did make a difference. Maybe luck played a part. Maybe our shattered defence played a part.
I felt we didn’t dominate and when we don’t dominate we tend to lose focus.
I thought a lucky goal either way would have done it, and so it proved, a very close match.
I thought the match showed the respective strengths and weakness of two top sides, and showed roughly where we are in the long march to victory; easily able to take on top sides, unlucky on the day, big defensive problems had to be overcome.
I am very happy with the team and the selection, a typically bold AW.
The ‘pundits’ I will not read, no use to me at all.
By: ZimPaul on April 19, 2009
at 7:19 am
well well well….we lose coz we had our defence cruely robed from us and then the fans turn on our team. I really dont think it would have mattered what line up wenger put out, he still would have had to play the most inexperienced poor backline i think i have ever seen. It was always going to be an uphill battle and in the end it WAS the defence that cost us the game.
By: DukeGoonem on April 19, 2009
at 7:23 am
Am up bright and early just looking through the papers….even with the bad press i am even more proud of our young boys…..
While i didn’t initially understand AW team selection i do think that with the amount of injuries we’ve had and the fact that Song had just played the full 90mins on both Saturday and Wednesday that AW was just protecting him….and dropping AA on the bench must have been tactical decision when facing Hiddink a man all to aware of the Russian’s weaknesses…as it was of the little time he was on the pitch he was bullied off the ball continuously….the game itself was more in the mould of a scrappy league one game not a FA cup Semi-final so it seems bizarre that people are complaining about few stray passes….how anyone expected us to get our usual passing game going with that abysmal pitch is beyond me…home of football my *** as a result Chelski was always going to have the upper hand with their anti-football bullying ways…just like the England football team…really…. they thrived on this god forsaken pitch however we STILL only lost through an individual mistake from a young goalkeeper who was playing in his first game on the big stage…remember while Fab has been playing all the cup games all our F.A games have been at home and so was our important second leg against VR which he did so well…..all in all while i can’t say that Chelski are the better team with all their fouling cheating ways….we had a 20-21-20-22 facing a aging team that have hit their peak and are aging by the second…our future looks bright…it’s red and white….
As a side note could the ACLF regulars please just ignore those annoying kids that have been on since yesterday they are only attention seeking i see it outside my local estate all the time….ignore them and they will inevitably move on….
P.S i really feel we were out muscled yesterday especially Denilson and i must say that while his excellent when we are playing footballing sides against Roma 1st leg for instance Arsene really needs to play Song against the likes on the uncultured midfield of the Chavs….less finesse more brutal force …IMO….anyhoo…us we like to say on ACLF upwards and onwards
COME ON YOU MIGHTY REDS……..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1171741/Piers-Morgan-Wenger-make-look-like-idiot-Ill-happy-one.html?ITO=1490
Views of a surprisingly intelligent Gooner…..
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 7:52 am
…morning all…..I agree with ZimPaul and DukeGoonem….
……I notice that a number of people referred to last nights exchange as a ‘debate’
…..pfffff…..pffffff….hehehehehe…….HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA……HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA…
…..some of you guys are like f*cking slugs…only come out when it rains….only come onto sites such as this to attempt to spread misery and bile…some of you f*ckers even quoting the hack dwarf….
….ah well…you are what you f*cking are……….arseholes
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 8:03 am
….Piers Morgan is a tw*t, Maria….don’t be fooled…
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 8:05 am
….he maybe that Frank but aleast he can admit his wrong even after yesterday’s defeat……
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 8:10 am
Arsen on the pitch and AA and Song not playing….
Arsenal coach Arsene Wenger was definitely not happy with the state of the pitch of the Wembley stadium, describing it as “laughable”. The Frenchman said:
You spend all that money on the stadium and still have no pitch. It is laughable. It’s not football. The quality of the pitch is a disaster.
I believe that when you do not play well some days you always regret (your decisions), I’m not sure if he (Song) could have stopped the ball in the air on the second goal. We are a team who has eight games in 24 days, and you cannot play the same players in every game.
On not using Nasri and Arshavin from the first minute he added:
We know they are dangerous on set-pieces and we are a bit short. Plus they have some tall boys who make it physical in midfield, and we needed a player like (Abou) Diaby to be capable of fighting against them.
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 8:16 am
Terrible and painful period.
First caused by joker Eboue.
Second goal by Sylvestre but he needed Toure’s pace and Toure had pushed forward. Alex and Terry double-teamed Ade but Toure and Sylvestre failed.
Arsene should have played Song to allow FAB4 to play from deep position. He wanted to play Denilson at all cost. Without FAB4’s passes, Ade was starved of chances.
Arsene always want to find a way for Denilson. His tactics was wrong. Denilson is just average. His favourable stats don’t say what he really does on the field.
Best players were Theo and Gibbs. Fans who attack English players should now see the impact one or two English players can do for Arsenal. English players will die for their club.
Players like Eboue will always not die for Arsenal. Eboue will always remain a joker.
It’s really difficult this time for everyone
By: Howard on April 19, 2009
at 8:23 am
It’s really difficult this time for everyone
No. It was one difficult game without a decimated defence. Usual shite from Howard.
Ugh, what happened here last night?! I’m ashamed I bothered.
By: OneOfUs on April 19, 2009
at 8:31 am
…hi Maria…..naaah…Piers Morgan is a hack who leads the way in creating celebrity out of journalism….he may admit that he was wrong…but he abused his position in the first place….just when the manager and team need its supporters most….as a hack he follows the flow….he saw mileage in pandering to the doomers….and now he sees mileage in pandering to the more positive people…..
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 8:32 am
….f*ck off, Howard…..
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 8:32 am
f*** off Howard you and your BNP drivel aren’t welcome here….and in case you have’nt noticed these ‘english lads’ your on about probably have African dads like Eboue…your ignorance really knows no bounds…i suppose that’s becomes of people who’s only diet of information is the Murdoch press….
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 8:32 am
…I agree with Maria…
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 8:34 am
…with a decimated defence…
Haha, I’m still on edge.
By: OneOfUs on April 19, 2009
at 8:34 am
Interesting article on Arsene and the great work his doing for our club….
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/263887.html
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 8:34 am
….if we put 10 players in defence would it still be decimated?…
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 8:36 am
I’m slow, what do you mean?
It is injury ravaged, beyond what could ever be reasonably expected.
By: OneOfUs on April 19, 2009
at 8:42 am
Gibbs and Theo were our best players by a margin –
Irrespective of their nationality.
Eboue had a reasonable game apart from a couple of hesitant moments – one of which led to the first goal (which Fab2 should nevertheless have prevented).
Ade…………..Nik looked up for it when he came on
Need Big Al back for Man U
By: big johan on April 19, 2009
at 9:07 am
When the dust has settled people might see an important and poignant milestone – the amazing unbeaten period has come to an end, and gives us a chance to reflect on that accomplishment.
The silly little boys and girls want trophies so they can prance about and oh dear poor little Howard, there there you softie says ‘It’s really difficult this time for everyone”. Boo hoo, quick get a tissue for Howard. He’s crying. He will get a rude shock when he grows up one day and finds out what “difficult” means.
If AW changes this team or his bold and unconventional tactics – as in the selection yesterday – we will go backwards – in the direction of Villa, Everton, Hammers and Fulham, which is the ‘comfort zone’ for some Arsenal supporters, they would prefer that.
What a wonderful accomplishment already this season! What extraordinary growth and development. And what adventure for us the RASERS. Thanks Arsene. Hiddink of course appeciates and has already said Chelsea must try to emulate Arsenal.
By: ZimPaul on April 19, 2009
at 9:09 am
Ole Gunner – of course this team has hunger and spirit, they’ve shown it so many times, so many ways, this season. Get a grip!
By: ZimPaul on April 19, 2009
at 9:14 am
Perhaps to sober up a few crazy supporters out there – as far as I know the FA cup is won by one team, not always the best, sometimes the luckiest, and that means that every other team including some of the very best do not win.
At this stage in the season games work on the principle of ‘best and luckiest team on the day’ – any team can win or lose, the margins are very close, the differences tiny.
This one did not go our way, we were not at our best, others will go our way, the season is not over just yet – there are games to play.
If you cannot lose gracefully, you cannot win with pride. We will win others. This one is Chelsea.
By: ZimPaul on April 19, 2009
at 9:22 am
Thankfully much better posts this morning. Last night was scroll down time.
There was almost an inevitability that Drogba would score the winner in a 2-1. How many times now ?
The injuries in defence killed usbut I wouldn`t blame individuals, especially Fabianski as these things happen & he will learn.
Overall, a good FA Cup run with some nice moments (Eduardo / Vela / Phil Salon-Brown) but nit`s over now so on to Anfield on Tuesdayto show what we`re made of.
By: Paulie Walnuts on April 19, 2009
at 9:22 am
Frank did you cry enough last night. Stop pussy-footing around Eboue was shit.the seletion was wrong on the night. Ballack ,Fat Frank ,Essien ,Drogba, these are heavy weight the only player who can match them physically was Song why was he on the bench? in the end they were nocking us of the ball with ease.
By: spoiled brat on April 19, 2009
at 9:36 am
….WTH…..I seems as if everyone forgot the way we went out of the F.A cup last and the CL one was 4-0 at the OT and no that was’nt in the Semis and the second a 4-2 defeat @ Anfield again not in the Semis…so ZP it’s clear that the results coupled with the improvement of many young players has meant that this season has been much more fruitful than last year….
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 9:39 am
….everyone ingore the little spud he will leave with time….
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 9:40 am
…OuU…sorry it was a play on the word ‘decimated’….10 players?…deci…mated?..no….Sunday morning….you are a star anyway even if you don’t get my f*cking awful joke…
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 9:46 am
….excellent stuff, ZP and Maria….real stars you are…the players will be gutted this morning….we really need to get behind them for the Liverpool game…
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 9:47 am
…I agree with Paulie Walnuts…
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 9:48 am
Maria- when we lost 4-0 to manure we were in the top of the table and aiming for the title this time we don’t have anything else other than the FA cup which it was a good chance the CL we don’t have a chance. 4th spot is pretty much wrapped since knowing that A.villa dropped points. So why resting some players?
By: spoiled brat on April 19, 2009
at 9:48 am
Maria – is ingoring the man-child spud amongst us
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 9:52 am
Maria -Do you know what went wrong last night?. Actually you do have an answer you just afraid to say it in case your dictator friends tell you off
By: spoiled brat on April 19, 2009
at 9:54 am
….are you going to watch the Mancs vs Everton today, Maria?….
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 9:57 am
Oh what a lovely morning it is….completely ruined of course.
Just read last nights comments. Farcical really. Defeats seem to drag the strangest Gobsh!tes on.
How I see it.
With the knowledge we have, which is none in terms of knocks and fitness, it did seem the wrong decision to leave out Arshavin. A player who has been so decisive in recent times.
It may be that Wenger wanted to give his Carling Cup finalists a chance of redemption.
Wenger has rotated as such before, in big cup games. I remember Jeffers and Wiltord starting up front at Old Trafford one time and us winning convincingly. In hindsight, it may have been a mistake, hindsight is of course a bleeding easy place to stand when passing judgement and for the record, as perplexed as I was by the starting line-up, I was still utterly convinced that 11 would take victory.
It may be of course that Arshavin, had some kind of strain, in which case the decision makes complete sense.
So possible individual error there, but of course the game was decided by individual errors allowing Drogba to steal in and win it!
My only hope is Arshavin understands the reason he was not in the starting line-up, if that is the case, then fine.
By: Danny on April 19, 2009
at 10:00 am
Know you’re not asking me, Frank…but personally just hope Everton win, then beat the Chavs.
btw: Good to come on here for a bit of solace. Am not going to have a go at anyone..but still feel it’s a game we should have won. Ok, it’s all in the past. Atleast we went to Wembley.
By: Ponyboy on April 19, 2009
at 10:06 am
Danny- you make sense.I just hope Arshavin knows why he was left on the bench.
By: spoiled brat on April 19, 2009
at 10:10 am
….AW brought AA on to win the game…..1-1 at that point….sadly the defensive error gifting them a goal occurred shortly after…..he would have preferred RvP to stay on but it was obvious that he was carrying an injury….so it was a straight swap…
…typical of the season really….we pay a high price for our injuries…our defence looked utterly knackered towards the end…..without RvP in front of him, Gibbs was dead on his feet…..great performance from him….Sylvestre could not move another step…..
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 10:11 am
….already have my blue scarf on Frank…..really hope they get though and Cahill and Co. give the chavs the splanking they deserve….!!!
My hopes for this season are;
F.A cup Everton
CL Arsenal
EPL Liverpool
CC ManYoo
Cheski win zilch and only manage 5th place in the league…i see Everon over taking them…DD injured for the rest of the season…then off int he summer….etc……hehe
ManYoo the kiddies cup…no quadruple for those b******
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 10:12 am
Frank you ignorant.The defence was dead on their feet because they had no protection Song would’ve done the job better than that feeble Denilson
By: spoiled brat on April 19, 2009
at 10:16 am
@Maria
Manure the title
Chelsea FA cup
Barcelona CL
Arsenal 4th spot, Hoooray
and that is the sad truth. You see I make sense and I say it like it is. You keep on the denying the truth and live in lala land
By: spoiled brat on April 19, 2009
at 10:20 am
brat –
Any point in dredging it all up again ?
Get weary of constant post-match analysis when we lose.
Maria – agree entirely. And bring on the CL.
That f**ker Djiouf… With Big Al in goal – dammit, am doing it myself.
By: Ponyboy on April 19, 2009
at 10:21 am
brat. Annoying little tw@t.
By: Ponyboy on April 19, 2009
at 10:22 am
PB we have a policy in place @ ACLF were we ingore the demented off spring of spuds…..or give them that 2 worded send off…spuds for relegation i say…
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 10:26 am
Truth upset you doesn’t it? You resort to swearing when you come up aginst it. Very clever. By the way you all resort to swearing on here when it doesn’t go your way nd that shows your level of intelligence . I’m off your all dim no point talking to fools
By: spoiled brat on April 19, 2009
at 10:29 am
Astoninshing some of the reaction on the Arsenal blogs this morning.
Have I missed something? Did somebody die?
We got mugged by a striker thats mugged just about every premiership defence on multiple occasions. That’s it.
All this talk about team selection is daft. A) We don’t know the (real ) reasons why players are picked and never do.
B) We were undone because of the one area of the pitch we knew we were always going to struggle with due to injuries . Defence.
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 19, 2009
at 10:31 am
Maria. You wish I was a spud but I’m not I’m a gooner who speaks his mind and says like it is. Bye
By: spoiled brat on April 19, 2009
at 10:33 am
morning again people…
well its a new morning and wenger must of learnt alot about some of these players yeaterday…..
i wonder if diaby will still be here next season…..
By: JonJon on April 19, 2009
at 10:35 am
your all dim?
Do you mean, you’re all dim?
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 19, 2009
at 10:37 am
QofS read my 10:26 post……
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 10:40 am
Jon JOn sort these lot out. I’m off now
By: spoiled brat on April 19, 2009
at 10:42 am
Morning all.
Went to the game, then went to the pub and stayed there. And now, having just logged on, blurry-eyed, and seen the slew of opinions from last night, I’m considering heading straight back to the pub.
Unlucky to the young guns. It was obviously a disappointment for many reasons but I’m sure there are none are more disappointed than those players who have kept their heads and worked their socks off this season in the face of constant vitriolic media and ‘fan’ abuse.
Well done, boys. Glass raised in your direction.
By: davebluez on April 19, 2009
at 10:42 am
Takes 15 minutes to navigate away from a page does it?
By: OneOfUs on April 19, 2009
at 10:44 am
His still waiting for a response Oofus…..
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 10:50 am
Haha! That made me look it up, Frank. It comes from “the removal or destruction of one-tenth”. So our defensive problems were much more severe than trifling decimation!
By: OneOfUs on April 19, 2009
at 10:50 am
For God’s sake, JonJon. Just f*ck off.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 10:50 am
Oneof us – nice!
Maria – i know.. the idiot got to me though..(next time – just two words, the last being OFF!)
QoS – well said..
Davebluez – may i join you ?
It’s kind of nice chatting individually to the good people.. but time-consuming.
By: Ponyboy on April 19, 2009
at 10:51 am
…you are a star, davebluez….
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 10:52 am
Pb. Maria has them sussed. Follow her lead. You usually do.
By: Consolsbob on April 19, 2009
at 10:53 am
QoS,
I was a weird selection. It seemed to me that Wenger was trying to out-Chelsea Chelsea.
By: Ole Gunner on April 19, 2009
at 10:54 am
……any chance we may have caught you on the telly Frank….??
PB chin up it’s not like we lost to the spuds…like last season…
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 10:54 am
…he is just trying to advertise his site, PZ…..don’t bother is my advice….can’t believe you could come onto another guys site to try to recruit…..lowest of the low in the blogosphere….
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 10:55 am
….am not making it any better am i……oh well…
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 10:55 am
Bit pedantic, but “Decimated” comes from the Roman legions who ran away ~ every tenth man was marked and killed, often by the other nine, and sometimes with just fists.
Phil Breakdown.. Beyond the pale ?
By: Ponyboy on April 19, 2009
at 10:56 am
the summer will see changes….i dont think certain members of the curent squad have done enough to warrant a wage at this club….
By: JonJon on April 19, 2009
at 10:57 am
….hope not, Maria…..I try to stay out of sight….hence the night work….hat, scarf and shades help though….
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 10:57 am
….thanks, OoU and Pb…I was just deconstructing and playing on the deci and the mated….
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 10:59 am
I think we have been targetted because of some of the propaganda spread on other sites by those visitors of a few days ago.
Their followers obviously came on here just to try and upset us. Childish behaviour I know. Some extraordinary things were said about ACLF.
Apparently, for instance, we are all ‘pinkos’ quite sweet really. I haven’t been called that cince 1977
By: Consolsbob on April 19, 2009
at 11:00 am
Consols…
Just when i thought it was safe to go back in the water..
By: Ponyboy on April 19, 2009
at 11:02 am
….’pinkos’??….anyone care to explain….
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 11:03 am
JonJon can’t be so stupid that he thinks his performance last night will attract visitors to his blog, can he?
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 11:05 am
Communist sympathisers, apparently, Maria.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 11:07 am
Zimpaul,
You know what? Chelsea wanted to win that game more than us yesterday. They flew into every ball. They were better in every way yesterday. It cracked my heart to see it, that’s how it is.
By: Ole Gunner on April 19, 2009
at 11:07 am
Well, i think – it means we are socialists.. with perhaps a tinge of homosexuality. Or a bunch of Gays with left-leaning political views.
PZ will no doubt elucidate..
By: Ponyboy on April 19, 2009
at 11:10 am
It is not possible to play four attacking players. AA-Ade-RVP-Theo? This is no Championship manager on a console! It wouldn’t have been feasible for Song-Cesc to counter Ballack-Essien-Lumpard. Who do you drop out of AA-Ade-RVP-Theo? Ade-RVP-Theo worked brilliantly against Villarreal. Song and Nasri were both jaded after their workrate in that game. (especially Nasri who worked his ass off for the team). Song had played many games back-to-back. the natural replacements were Diaby for Nasri and Denilson for Song. This meant Diaby-Denilson-Cesc in the middle. Likely that AA and Nasri would have been involved in the later stages of the game. In any case, How would their inclusion stop Lumpard’s long balls to Malouda and Drogba (or Fabianski’s mistake)? Moreover, I think Guus would have set up to nullify AA. Wenger had to go for a maneuver by bringing him for the final few minutes when the chelsea defence tire up. It was a prudent choice. Sadly this didn’t work out in the end.
Besides, the pitch isn’t the best for passing down the ground. This suited an aerial (and more importantly long ball) game which Chelsea master at. Yes, it’s unfortunate that couple of crosses from Theo weren’t better, or the forwards (or Diaby at one point) didn’t attack it well. Something which they WILL have to work on in the training ground.
Anyone with no semblance of bias would say Chelsea barely deserved to win the game. It’s a one-legged KO game. It comes down to individual mistakes. Chelsea players didn’t commit them, and their intentions were very admirable with the way they attacked every ball. While there were one too many casual mistakes from Denilson, and Diaby which weren’t all punished by Chelsea. But Fabianski’s mistake in the end was lethal. There was not much time to react. These players will have to realize the mistakes. Especially Fabianski who for my money hasn’t learned a lesson at all. In this level you can’t afford to come out that far to block the attacker. It didn’t work out in the Wigan game against Mido, or the one early in the first half against Drogba. In both occasions, Gibbs was there to clear off the line. Still Fabianski repeated this and there was no Gibbs to save him. Again.
There are not much positives to take from the game except for the mistakes, and the experience of a terrible Wembley pitch. At least now this gives us proper concentration and focus on CL. We haven’t won the damned big ears in our entire history! Let’s f-ing do it. COYG!
By: Frank's biggest fan on April 19, 2009
at 11:12 am
Or maybe gays ? There is a paper which Consols reads when his wife is away, called “The Pink Paper”.
Who can fathom such minds ?
Weird, my last post just disappeared – not even moderated; straight in the bin where it belonged.
By: Ponyboy on April 19, 2009
at 11:13 am
“You know what? Chelsea wanted to win that game more than us yesterday. They flew into every ball. They were better in every way yesterday. It cracked my heart to see it, that’s how it is.”
I agree with this.
By: Frank's biggest fan on April 19, 2009
at 11:14 am
Have the cowards Spoiled Brat, Jon Jon and Howard gone now?
I hope so … you can tell a lot more about people in defeat than in glory … weaklings all.
Unable to deal with the basic guts of AW’s vision they deal with petty nonsense. They want to ‘be’ Chelsea, Mancs, Pool – I want to be Arsenal, and I am very happy with my team.
There is much to dissect from last night, and it’s really quite interesting, human, dramatic. I feel for Fabianski and hope he recovers, he will, he has more guts than the little men who rubbish the dream they cannot comprehend.
I am guessing they low self-esteem, sad lives, small hopes.
By: ZimPaul on April 19, 2009
at 11:15 am
‘have’
By: ZimPaul on April 19, 2009
at 11:16 am
Always welcome, PB. I’m buying.
Likewise, Frank. Likewise.
By: davebluez on April 19, 2009
at 11:18 am
“Weird, my last post just disappeared – not even moderated; straight in the bin where it belonged.”
JonJon’s had the same problem on his own blog.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 11:19 am
PZ – hehehe.. classic!
By: Ponyboy on April 19, 2009
at 11:25 am
Is that still a insult in 2009??
Undertandable really with the collapse of the capitalist system ensuring that all those so to be homeless t****** bitch and moan about how Arsene and his young ‘foreign’ players make so much money…which is in itself simply a by-product of the capitalist market they hold so dear….well here’s a novel idea how about taking some interest in what’s going on in the world…and stop insulting the only intelligent Arsenal fan’s site that represents all that’s good about the gooner family!!!!
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 11:26 am
You could be right Ole Gunner, Chelsea played to their strengths and showed hunger – personally I am not afraid to say or understand that experience worked in their favour, while our limitations were exposed, on the night.
By their enormous standards Cesc, RvP and perhaps Ade and Diaby had tough games – it happens. Good experience in my view.
That doesn’t change a thing, Sagna, Gallas, Clichy, Almunia out at the critical moment, both of their goals came from defensive mistakes, ours from clever build up, it is clear what happened, and less to do with ‘lack of spirit’ and character than we think.
By: ZimPaul on April 19, 2009
at 11:27 am
….am getting somewhat off topic but the more i hear from these guys the more they irritate me….aaaarrgggh….
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 11:28 am
Thanks for the link to that article Maria. This is the key line for me:
“It should also be remembered that we play against teams with unlimited funds. You produce young talent with your limited funds but still everyone is asking you to always beat these teams.”
We’ve seen plenty of evidence of that on here since last night
By: Passenal on April 19, 2009
at 11:30 am
….pleasure P…..
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 11:32 am
….aah but for people who burned ten pound notes on the terraces in the 80s whenever we played Liverpool….being the biggest spending club is quite important…probably true of their spawn too……
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 11:33 am
I was surprised that AA didn`t start & in hindsight maybe he should have but Arsene had his reasons so anything else is purely hypothetical.
We`ve still got some massive games left & yesterday wasn`t the end of the world – at 1-1 it could have gone either way.
So let`s get behind the boys again & start another run, not go looking for escaped goats after one defeat.
By: Paulie Walnuts on April 19, 2009
at 11:35 am
Arshavin took some time out after the match to share his views on the defeat:
“I think that today at Wembley there was a match between two very strong teams. I think that at first in the game, we had greater territorial advantage, but they conducted the game and they could drive in goal. Subsequently the game was equalized. After that goal the game narrowed. Chelsea slowly took possession over and due to that advantage they got a goal.
“If we, as a whole, evaluate the results of first half, then I think that it was quite even. But in the second half Chelsea had more possession. Most of the game took place in our half of the field, although we did carry out rapid counter-attacks. Unfortunately, we conceded a late goal. We were left with very little time to organize and make Cech work. They did not give us any chance to score. We are upset that one half of the stadium left Wembley utterly disappointed. This is football, sometimes there are defeats. Surely it is not possible to win every match. Now we have to switch our focus to the fight in Premier League and Champions League.”
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 11:38 am
Maria @ 8.34am – thank you for adding the link to that article, enjoyable and enlightening.
I am ashamed at a lot of the reaction from so called Gooners on here since last night. Pathetic, childish, spoiled brats.
I would rather come 4th in the league “our” way, that 1st in the league Chelski’s way.
Winning is great, and win again we will, I’m convinced there are trophies in this squad – and it will be so sweet when they come.
By: Matty on April 19, 2009
at 11:38 am
I regard with self-respect and pride the slurs against the posters on this site, myself included – s’truth it shows we are not like them …. and that makes my day brighter
By: ZimPaul on April 19, 2009
at 11:39 am
I missed the attack of the trolls on the blog last night. Which cave did they come from? Summer holidays are on at the troll school it seems.
By: Alex on April 19, 2009
at 11:40 am
I like AA’s comments .. sober, clear, honest
By: ZimPaul on April 19, 2009
at 11:44 am
Paulie Walnuts,
I think he left out Arshavin because he wanted big strong players on the pitch.
By: Ole Gunner on April 19, 2009
at 11:45 am
Looking forward to Tuesday night. AW said after yesterdays match that he felt both teams looked “jaded”. I think we can expect quite a few changes in the starting XI. Arsh will certainly start.
Villa drew, so 4th looks relatively safe.
Our priority has to be the ECL. The team for the next two PL games will be all about getting the right team out for the first leg on Wednesday week.
Prick Palmer last night – can Arsenal beat ManU without Gallas and Arshavin – “not in a million years”. OOOOHHHHH I am desperate for us to beat them, so we can all email that Spurs supporting tosser and tell him what an arrogant prick he is.
By: Matty on April 19, 2009
at 11:45 am
Gunnerblog makes a good point today, that Arsene’s team selection was as close as possible to the Carling Cup Final – and indeed, the way the game went mirrored it.
By: crafty bison on April 19, 2009
at 11:46 am
ACLF is a wonder to me …
By: ZimPaul on April 19, 2009
at 11:47 am
Same Zimpaul ~
Have said this before, some time ago now, that each troll makes ACLF feel more sane, and you get to realise that the people here are good to be around.
Now come on Everton! Mmm..feels very odd to say that.
By: Ponyboy on April 19, 2009
at 11:59 am
Im just gutted we didnt get on itv1!! what a c*nt.
By: DukeGoonem on April 19, 2009
at 12:10 pm
oh yeah – 100pct – come on Everton !
By: Matty on April 19, 2009
at 12:21 pm
We need third in PL Matty to avoid the complicated new play-off format for CL 2010. It’s more important than most think.
By: ZimPaul on April 19, 2009
at 12:51 pm
Agreed ZP. there is a chance to finish top 3, let’s do it.
And there is no way Wenger prioritizing top 3 finish, he put up what he thought would be a winning team. Unfortunately we lost. Now we got a better chance of winning the big ears, which is much bigger than domestic cup.
By: Frank's biggest fan on April 19, 2009
at 12:54 pm
mmm yes ZimPaul, that’s a good point re the difference between 3rd and 4th.
By: Matty on April 19, 2009
at 1:17 pm
Hello, all
I stayed away last night to forget my misery. And now, having just read through last night’s posts, it feels like coming back from a disappointing holiday to find you have been burgled and the burglars have sh*t on the carpets. Who are these people? Why does it kill them inside that some fans refuse to turn on their team and manager? How bizarre that their first reaction to a painful defeat is to gloat?! I think Consolsbob has it right – they weren’t here to discuss Arsenal or last night’s match. It was more like a gang attack in retaliation for some imagined slight. As for the debate they were supposedly after, Lauren “Am I bovvered” Cooper was about their level. Maria, spot on, ignoring them is the only thing to do.
******
Much of the analysis of the match (from the regulars) makes sense to me, but ultimately I feel that it was just that most of the players weren’t at their best. The team was crammed full of creative players. It may not have been the ideal formation, but with our squad, any formation or combination CAN work if people click on the day. Unfortunately, we were a bit flat, physically and mentally.
I can’t wait for Tuesday. Bouncing back immediately is the most important thing.
COYG!!!
By: FunGunner on April 19, 2009
at 1:17 pm
….while i feel part of the family i need to get the insider info on COYG…..
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 1:24 pm
I’ve just read the Piers Morgan article, and the title gives a clue as to what is wrong with the nutters. “Wenger can make me look like an idiot…”
It’s all about bragging rights for them.
****
I think the article’s quite good though, and Piers’ change of heart appears genuine and long-lasting.
****
See you later. Must do lunch now.
By: FunGunner on April 19, 2009
at 1:25 pm
Come
On
You
Gunners
!
By: Matty on April 19, 2009
at 1:29 pm
Completely agree, FunGunner, “most of the players weren’t at their best.” Also, the best thing to do last night was stay away from here.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 1:32 pm
Believe one who watched the burglars shit on the carpet.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 1:35 pm
…….aaaaaaaahh thanks matty….
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 1:35 pm
victory when it comes only tastes so sweet because of the defeats.
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 19, 2009
at 1:35 pm
…….so true QofS after two final defeats and the semi yesterday i think i am going to go bonkers when we do finally win something…..the right way ofcause….
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 1:38 pm
From an overall … laying foundation, business financial and Arsenal development perspective finishing third might be slightly higher on AW’s wishlist than bringing home the FA Cup, which is not to say the FA is not important.
It means however that the remaining PL matches are as important and we need to beat 2 of the top 3 to do it.
By: ZimPaul on April 19, 2009
at 1:46 pm
Reading the latest posts is like a breath of fresh air. Makes me realize how level this blog is and how the regulars are just great. I look forward to it everyday. You all are stars!
Arshavin’s comments are top! He understands it. Feel quite bad for Fabianski as he will be miserable today. I am very happy he gets a chance to take his frustrations out on Liverpool so shortly. The best thing, really, just right back at it for everyone and very quickly at that. No time for moping, just right back at it.
It will be interesting to see the team selection for the Liverpool match. I assume Gibbs came through without aggravating his injury, the big question is Sagna. Willl he be recovered or not? If so I see the following:
Fab
Sagna – Toure – Silvestre – Gibbs
Arshavin – Diaby/Denilson – Fabregas – Nasri
Adebayor – Eduardo
I’m fired up already….COME ON YOU GUNNERS!
By: Gris Gris on April 19, 2009
at 1:55 pm
Gibbs didn’t have his best match a few days ago, but he was great yesterday. I think it will be the same for Fabianski. He was probably especially eager to do well on his birthday, and this perhaps added to the nerves that he must have felt at playing in front of such a large crowd. Whatever the explanation, I think every goalkeeper has days like Fabianski had yesterday.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 2:07 pm
…Again no Eddy on the bench GG…not to sure his fit to play…true Pz with inexperience there’s a risk that a player can be overwhelmed mentally in a game early on and not recover especially a GK…before the match everyone was talking about Cech being the weak link in the Chelski side a player that two seasons was hailed as the world’s best keeper by both pundits and fans….
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 2:17 pm
What’s your dissertation about, Maria?
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 2:23 pm
Why offering much need help are we Pz?? I have been skirting around it all week….
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 2:26 pm
Just interested, really. I don’t know much about politics.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 2:32 pm
Ahh…Should ethnic minorities’ communities be given exemptions from British legislation?…
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 2:34 pm
And why should they be?
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 2:37 pm
No.
By: Ponyboy on April 19, 2009
at 2:38 pm
I saw the picture of Eduardo in the stands and assumed he was just not an option for some other reason. I sure hope we get to see him again this year! His return from injury has been so stop/start that he must be absolutely frustrated. In that case, and assuming Van Persie is injured, I wonder if Wenger is thinking 4-5-1 and slotting Walcott into the midfield as well.
I’ve never rated Cech, personally, but he does have the experience to be a steady ship in a storm. Fabianski will learn, that is for sure, he just got a big lesson yesterday. It will only make him stronger. Those are the experiences you draw on later in your career.
Interesting dissertation topic, Maria. That’s certainly one that would generate lively discussion!
By: Gris Gris on April 19, 2009
at 2:39 pm
…touched on it whilst reading democratic theory last year….thought provoking especially in relation to Britan’s inner cities were there’s widespread discourse on this subject and arguments are heated on both sides…
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 2:39 pm
What’s your premise Maria? Should they …?
By: ZimPaul on April 19, 2009
at 2:40 pm
Yes and no…am a typical liberal really….
pb; why???
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 2:40 pm
rough version of a simple conclusion to get me started….
I would argue that it is of immense importance that any host nation, which contains any number of minority groups, should accommodate their views and cultures as long as they don’t undermine the fundamental principles of the country itself.
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 2:44 pm
Does a country have fundamental principles?
If they do, is one of the fundamental principles of England not equality before the law?
Can the views and cultures of minorities not be accomodated by changing the law in general, rather than by offering exemptions?
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 2:49 pm
Crudely put…yes to kosher meat….no to female circumcision….
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 2:51 pm
Who would be given the authority to state what is the culture of a particular minority?
Might not the spokesman state as a universal belief of his culture what is only a belief of a section of the community?
Suppose the English were a minority in another country. Who could claim to represent English culture? What special privileges would English people demand?
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 2:54 pm
interesting that’s essentially the debate on the liberal front Pz
Here’s a snap shot of the mutliculturist agrument;
Fundamentally, it is the claim from multiculturalists that liberalism creates an arena of injustice and unequal treatment of society’s different individuals and groups that is at the core of the debate between the two theories. While both liberals and multiculturalists agree that justice entails that there most be equal rights for citizens in society it’s the method used that causes disagreement. Multiculturalists argue that it’s the use of the liberal theory of universalism that has created a normal of problems within contemporary society that must be dealt with. They argue that there isn’t a single way in which individuals must life their lives but instead a variety of ways which all need to be given equal status, only then can the ideal of a unified ethno-cultural society be realised. This will enable the state to attempt both, to regress the feeling of injustice felt by minorities in society as well as remove any potential threat this discrepancy in privilege could have on the workings of society as a single cohesive entity.
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 2:57 pm
Would individuals be able to decide whether or not they belong to a particular minority.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 3:02 pm
“Who would be given the authority to state what is the culture of a particular minority?
Most demands for exemptions are made by a variety leaders of various communities.
Might not the spokesman state as a universal belief of his culture what is only a belief of a section of the community?
Happens invariably hence allot of exemptions are denied by parliament.
Suppose the English were a minority in another country. Who could claim to represent English culture? What special privileges would English people demand?”
It depends where the English ex-pats go if it’s a democratic country then MC argue they can demand that they be given special exemptions from laws that dispprotionality affect them. In most Muslim countries for example while alcohol is prohibited by law there’s exemptions for non-Muslim minorities were they are allowed to drink. Alcohol could be integral to the English way of life. The English drink at weddings, funerals, church and always after football win or lose..lol.. e.t.c
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 3:16 pm
Phew! The nutters seem to have gotten the message. You are not welcome!
Speaking of nutters, have you guys surfed the Arsenal blogs? Most, not all, just as insane. One defeat to an arguably better team on the day and the sky has fallen in. Like Howard, the targets of their venom are (1) those lazy, useless foreigners especially the Africans, and (2) Arsene Wenger for the temerity to select a team geared at countering Chelsea’s advantages.
They are completely bi-polar. Initially, they were in complete depression during the rocky spell up to in the first two months of this year; in recent weeks they go completely over the moon with the unfolding of our undefeated spell as we advanced in the FA Cup and Champions League; now they go complete bunkers because of one defeat. Absolutely no credibility.
By: shotta-gunna on April 19, 2009
at 3:21 pm
Interesting you ask that pz because the problem really accords when a perosn is from a variety of groups….e.g You could be a female, Sikh and black while all these groups are minorities a person is’nt necessarily disadvantaged because they could also come from privileged background.
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 3:22 pm
Sorry mixed two ideas in the last post…you guys have me figuring out my dissertation on ACLF
First point;
Essentially a person can be included into 1 or more groups leaving an individual with the difficult question of which label creates he/she the most amount of disadvantage in their live.
Second point;
Is that being labelled as coming under the umbrella of these groups doesn’t mean your automatically make a person disadvantaged in society.
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 3:30 pm
Hmm. I seem to have posted during a high brow political discourse.
By: shotta-gunna on April 19, 2009
at 3:35 pm
Now that the nutters have sobered up, they have perhaps realised what fools they have made of themselves by appearing in public, as it were, naked.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 3:36 pm
So, Maria, might Muslims demand to have the consumption of alcohol by Muslims made illegal?
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 3:38 pm
hehe…8 changes for ManYoo…Rooney out…
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 3:38 pm
In the U.K?
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 3:39 pm
Can you give any other examples of the special privileges that minorities might desire?
You mentioned female circumcision as one demand that you would turn down. I presume that female circumcision as such would not be made illegal, but rather the circumcising of women against their will. Is that right?
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 3:41 pm
Yes, in the U.K.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 3:41 pm
The one good thing about yesterday was Gibbs.
Gibbs is a true star in the making isnt he. I was so impressed with his commitment and nerve on a massive stage. Fabianski cracked though didnt he, such a shame because he has the talent but the pressure was too much for the young lad
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 3:44 pm
….does this include Scotland? …or would they be exempt?….
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 3:44 pm
The Scottish would demand the right to headbut.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 3:46 pm
….well we could make Scotland an enclave for all minority groups….maybe treat it as an experiment …..anything that works we will have in England…anything not…well…we wouldn’t…
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 3:48 pm
…it would be legal for the Scots to headbutt each other….in fact it might be illegal for them not to….
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 3:49 pm
Do they allow minorities in Scotland? I thought they were racists.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 3:50 pm
….this female circumcision thing doesn’t sound good at all….I am definitely against Kosher meat though…that is just plain cruel…
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 3:51 pm
Female circumcision is illegal in the U.K and there’s even sanctions on parents sending their children abroad to do it.
Rasta’s want to smoke cannabis….
Sikhs want to wear turbans instead of helmets….carry daggers….
Jews want kosher meat….
Muslim’s want multiple wives illegalised….
etc……etc………etc
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 3:51 pm
…no they don’t but…well this could be an education for them…works in lots of different ways this….Maria is a genius…
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 3:52 pm
Maria, what the hell is female cicumcision? it sounds horrific
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 3:53 pm
….I have had mutiple wives…seven in fact…but I am not a Muslim…oh you mean all in one go…..
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 3:53 pm
@ 3:38 pm….no PZ……
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 3:53 pm
kinda is Darren…just another example of male oppression of the fairer sex
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 3:54 pm
So you’re telling me that a man can have his genitals cut off so he can be turned into a “woman,” but a woman can’t even get circumcised? Doesn’t sound very fair.
Is kosher meat illegal? What does that mean? I thought it just had to be prepared in a certain way.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 3:55 pm
maria, but what do they take away? I dont think I want to hear the answer
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 3:56 pm
…..looking for a eighth are we Frank……
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 3:56 pm
I did surf one or two other blogs Shotta and almost wet myself laughing …
Wenger hopeless, incompetent, a journeyman…!
Flamini back…!! Senderos back!
Eboue, Den, Diaby, Ade, Bendy …. out!!!
Cesc is no good in the ‘big’ games
Ramsey, Wilshere in NOW
In Zim Maria we wouldn’t want foreign minorities to have special rights and priviliges, although Africans are so chilled mostly people can do what they want anyway
By: ZimPaul on April 19, 2009
at 3:56 pm
….well the poor lambs have to be bled…and this is the dastardly thing they have to be blessed as well….outrageous…
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 3:56 pm
Are you talking about female circumcision or kosher meat, Frank?
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 3:59 pm
Darren you would’nt eat for the next week or so if i sent you a pictures link so i won’t….
Pz….the human sluaghter act prohibits the killing of meat in kosher manner so they have been given an exemption from the law…
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 4:00 pm
It wsnt wengers fault we lost, unfortunately in reality it was down to Fabianski. With any goalie thinking clearly we would have won or at last goneto extra time.
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 4:00 pm
Come on Everton!
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 4:01 pm
….always on the lookout, Maria….but I have to be careful…the current one is quite violent…and one of my previous wives is in prison for trying to kill me….she missed me and ran over an old man in an allotment after accidentally drinking a sleeping draught intended for me….
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 4:01 pm
I’m definitely against human slaughter.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 4:03 pm
….human slaughter?….ffs…this has gone far enough surely…
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 4:03 pm
Unfortunately ZP African’s have been have had so many pieces of legislation forced upon them by foreign nationals historically so they my take issue with exemptions for minorities.
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 4:03 pm
Unfortunately ZP African’s have had so many pieces of legislation forced upon them by foreign nationals historically so they my take issue with exemptions for minorities.
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 4:03 pm
…reckon there was a split second in that, Pz…well done..
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 4:04 pm
…opps…
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 4:04 pm
…unless of course it’s an honour killing.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 4:05 pm
…that was Humane Slaughter Act…..didnt mean to scare all you boys…
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 4:07 pm
….honor killing would be useful in taking care of all these mercenary arsenal fans….
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 4:09 pm
I was thinking more of killing one’s daughter if she refuses to marry the man chosen for her.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 4:11 pm
i know but if legal it could have dual purpose….
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 4:12 pm
Undergrad or postgrad, Maria?
By: crafty bison on April 19, 2009
at 4:17 pm
It seems to me that exemptions are only likely to be given to those laws that are a matter of indifference to most people.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 4:21 pm
Correct Pz but on the other hand it mean’s allot to those requesting it..UG…CB
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 4:25 pm
Z-P: Those poor bloggers. Just when they got on the bandwaggon. Lost their bragging rights. Touche!
BTW: Sir Alex rested some of his 1st choice players for today’s match with Everton. Can’t see him being villified like AW if they should lose to Everton.
Maria: Curious how these colonial powers (note they are not ex-) have so much dificulties upholding these universal human rights at home to immigrants/minorities from cultures they once ruled directly.
By: shotta-gunna on April 19, 2009
at 4:34 pm
Do you think opinions are not important to people outside of ethnic minorities?
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 4:34 pm
Something we’ve all left out in all this. Atkinson’s poor refereeing yesterday. Two clear penalties he didnt see….1 each to be fair but ours was first. And then every 50-50 challenge went for Chelsea very bizzarely.
By: Ole Gunner on April 19, 2009
at 4:39 pm
Anderson ought to have to play with a bag over his head.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 4:41 pm
It’s true Maria, so much foisted on us or a century or so
ha ha ha Pz funny
By: ZimPaul on April 19, 2009
at 4:50 pm
Pz…huh…didnt really get that q….
Shotta; It seems that now that they aren’t colonial powers countries like France and Britain are much more reluctant to be as autocratic towards it’s minorities in Britain as they were abroad.
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 4:52 pm
Pz with Tevez, Park, Saha and the like on the pitch you leave Andy of it…i quite like him when he plays for Brazil….
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 4:53 pm
The editors of the Sky-owned tabloid website football365 are just enjoying the Arsenal fans go into a complete mental breakdown. They must have had a smile on their face by posting as the headline on their mailbox `Arsene Wenger Is A Crap Manager`
As PT barnum is reputed to have said “A sucker is born every day.”
By: shotta-gunna on April 19, 2009
at 4:54 pm
…no no i take that back his an annoying like g**…
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 4:55 pm
…..that was little….
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 5:00 pm
Maria: Neo-colonoliasm is now as effective and even more pernicious than direct rule. Nominally independent countries are even more underdeveloped and dependent than ever before. If you are in doubt, this latest recession and world credit crisis have exposed the growing poverty, inequality and social disintegeration in most of the former subjects of the British Empire.
By: shotta-gunna on April 19, 2009
at 5:01 pm
I agree shotta … we see it all the time … and pernicious is the right word
By: ZimPaul on April 19, 2009
at 5:06 pm
….new colons should be available on the NHS….no doubt about it…
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 5:10 pm
Sorry, Maria. I was trying to say that I can’t see how the situation of ethnic minorities differs from the situation of any other group within a polity. It seems to me that the normal system of politics tackles essentially the same problems. A majority in England, for example, probably find something in the law to dislike, and many will hate a large part of the law. I doubt it can be otherwise. If it could, there would be no politics. Democracy is one system that is intended to provide a satisfactory solution to the problem of different human opinions. It should at least give everyone a fair chance to influence the law within a society. If it does not, perhaps there is reason to reform the system of democracy. In a democracy, though, nobody can expect to have more than his share of influence.
In a democracy, there is usually some framework to secure individual freedom against the incursions of the popular will. Perhaps there is some scope in this domain for protecting the idiosyncracies of particular cultures. Whatever solution is adopted, it should, in my opinion, be founded in some general principle, so that changes to the law can be guided by reason, rather than momentary expediency.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 5:12 pm
ZP: Pernicious because it is very difficult for the ordinary man to identify the causes, the forces behind the current system.
By: shotta-gunna on April 19, 2009
at 5:14 pm
The gay-rights movement has removed much of the stigma against colonists.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 5:17 pm
SG;
Two of the word biggest challenges ..the financial recession and gobal warming have the greatest affect the world’s poor that cannot be denied…but it really is funny how western thinkers and politicians have cited misuse of assets as reasons that many third world countries are subject to appalling levels of poverty…..have now been forced into admitting the very same charges themselves; mismanagement and sheer greed by the west has resulted in the world recession….Brazil president has a unique view on things here though….
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ae4957e8-1a5f-11de-9f91-0000779fd2ac.html
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 5:21 pm
…is pernicious always the right word though?….was the Roman occupation of Britain or the Saxon settlement of Britain…or the Viking invasion of Northern Britain actually injurious?….sure the local population had a bad time to start with and sure there were many examples of injustice at the time…but were the injustices any worse than those created by the ruling classes at the time…?
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 5:23 pm
What was your ticket allocation? I notice alot of the regulars on here didn’t go to the game.
By: Ruisliptiger on April 19, 2009
at 5:26 pm
Ferguson’s just had a fit.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 5:27 pm
What was your ticket allocation? I notice alot of the regulars on here didn’t go to the game.
Snidey question. It’s just the matter of a few thousand miles for many of the regulars here.
By: OneOfUs on April 19, 2009
at 5:31 pm
SG;
While many western thinkers and politicians have cited misuse of assets as reasons that many third world countries are subject to appalling levels of poverty…..it’s funny how they have now been forced into admitting the very same charges themselves; mismanagement and sheer greed by the West has resulted in the world-wide recession….yet the third world has been about unable to reprimand in the same condescending manner as their western counter-parts…Brazil’s president has a unique view on things here though….
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ae4957e8-1a5f-11de-9f91-0000779fd2ac.html
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 5:32 pm
bkiu
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 5:34 pm
…my ticket allocation was one….
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 5:34 pm
Wave after wave of ManU pressure. Everton is tiring and defending deep.
By: shotta-gunna on April 19, 2009
at 5:38 pm
SG;
While any western thinkers politicians have cited misuse of assets as reasons that many third world countries are subject to appalling levels of poverty…..funnily now they have been forced into admitting the very same charges themselves; mismanagement and sheer greed by the west has resulted in the world recession….however third world countries have been somewhat reluctant to
reprimand intheir western counter-parts the same condescending manner as
e though….
Brazil president has a unique view on things though….
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ae4957e8-1a5f-11de-9f91-0000779fd2ac.html
reprimand in the same condescending manner as their western counter-parts
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 5:40 pm
OneofUs – My missus gave me a ticket for my tv. LOL.
By: shotta-gunna on April 19, 2009
at 5:40 pm
SG;
While western thinkers andpoliticians have cited misuse of assets as reasons that many third world countries are subject to appalling levels of poverty…..have now been forced into admitting the very same charges themselves; mismanagement and sheer greed by the west has resulted in the world recession….third world contries are however recultant to reprimand their western counter-parts in the same condescending manner…
Brazil president has a unique view on things here though….
http://www.ft.com/cms/84d2eba2-2a26-11dc-9208-000b5df10621.html
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 5:44 pm
LOOL
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 5:48 pm
Couldn’t catch the game and neither did I have any access to the internet over the weekend. But just skimming through the record posts today, can any one of the gloomers gurantee that we would have won had Arshavin played from the start? Or song had started instead of Denilson/Diaby. The point is even if we had played to our strengths completely, and lost the game. These doomers would still be howering around slagging the team and the managers.
The more important question is where the f*** had these gloomers been the last couple of months?
By: Ateeb on April 19, 2009
at 5:49 pm
Shotta-gunna;
While western thinkers andpoliticians have cited misuse of assets as reasons that many third world countries are subject to appalling levels of poverty…..have now been forced into admitting the very same charges themselves; mismanagement and sheer greed by the west has resulted in the world recession….third world contries are however recultant to reprimand their western counter-parts in the same condescending manner…
Brazil president has a unique view on things here though….
http://www.ft.com/cms/84d2eba2-2a26-11dc-9208-000b5df10621.html
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 5:50 pm
SG;
While western thinkers and politicians have cited misuse of assets as reasons that many third world countries are subject to appalling levels of poverty…..have now been forced into admitting the very same charges themselves; mismanagement and sheer greed by the west has resulted in the world recession….third world countries are however reluctant to reprimand their western counter-parts in the same condescending manner…
Brazil president has a unique view on things here though….
http://www.ft.com/cms/84d2eba2-2a26-11dc-9208-000b5df10621.html
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 5:53 pm
….surprised you are not rehearsing your testimony, Ruislipkitten….you are a Hull person….are you not?…..remember it happened in the tunnel…not on the pitch as first indicated….IN….THE…..TUNNEL…..f*ck the football….you must get this right or you will all look like a right bunch of Charlies…and we wouldn’t want that……would we?
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 5:53 pm
Haha Shotta. I believe they can be difficult to get hold of. Bargaining takes place, sometimes even extortion.
By: OneOfUs on April 19, 2009
at 5:54 pm
Are you guys ever restricted from posting something??
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 5:55 pm
….absolutely fucking not….
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 5:57 pm
Are they still persisting with the Breakdown lie?
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 5:58 pm
….have they called it off?….
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 5:59 pm
…well i keep trying to post one particular message and it keeps telling me that i have already posted it but its not up there…
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 5:59 pm
SG,
While western thinkers and politicians have cited misuse of assets as reasons that many third world countries are subject to appalling levels of poverty…..have now been forced into admitting the very same charges themselves; mismanagement and sheer greed by the west has resulted in the world recession….third world countries are however reluctant to reprimand their western counter-parts in the same condescending manner…
Brazil president has a unique view on things here though….
http://www.ft.com/cms/84d2eba2-2a26-11dc-9208-000b5df10621.html
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 6:00 pm
…add a full stop or comma….or change one word…
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 6:01 pm
While western thinkers and politicians have cited misuse of assets as reasons that many third world countries are subject to appalling levels of poverty…..have now been forced into admitting the very same charges themselves; mismanagement and sheer greed by the west has resulted in the world recession….third world countries are however reluctant to reprimand their western counter-parts in the same condescending manner…
Brazil president has a unique view on things here though….
http://www.ft.com/cms/84d2eba2-2a26-11dc-9208-000b5df10621.html
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 6:01 pm
I think I might have seen them buzzing around a turd a couple of days ago.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 6:02 pm
SG
While western thinkers and politicians have cited misuse of assets as reasons that many third world countries are subject to appalling levels of poverty…..have now been forced into admitting the very same charges themselves; mismanagement and sheer greed by the west has resulted in the world recession….third world countries are however reluctant to reprimand their western counter-parts in the same condescending manner…
Brazil president has a unique view on things here though….
http://www.ft.com/cms/84d2eba2-2a26-11dc-9208-000b5df10621.html
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 6:02 pm
i have still no luck…
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 6:04 pm
The doomers, I mean, not Breakdown; although it might explain his tan.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 6:05 pm
SG;
While western thinkers and politicians have cited misuse of assets as reasons that many third world countries are subject to appalling levels of poverty…..have now been forced into admitting the very same charges themselves; mismanagement and sheer greed by the west has resulted in the world recession….third world countries are however reluctant to reprimand their western counter-parts in the same condescending manner…
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 6:05 pm
Brazil president has a unique view on things here though….
http://www.ft.com/cms/84d2eba2-2a26-11dc-9208-000b5df10621.html
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 6:06 pm
Maria: there is a “Duplicate post” block. just discoverd it.
“One of Us” – the key to negotiation is making up before and after the game. Not in the way some of you guys and gals may be thinking
By: shotta-gunna on April 19, 2009
at 6:07 pm
The same thing has happened to me before now. It might appear later; it might never appear.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 6:07 pm
Brazil president has his own unique view on things here though….
http://www.ft.com/cms/84d2eba2-2a26-11dc-9208-000b5df10621.html
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 6:07 pm
Brazil president has a unique view on things here though….
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 6:08 pm
http://www.ft.com/cms/84d2eba2-2a26-11dc-9208-000b5df10621.html
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 6:08 pm
Shotta that’s so true …
PZ ha ha ha …. you’re witty today
Frank … it’s a telling point you’re making and we talk and think a great deal about the benefits of the colonial period, there were many, one of which interestingly is a unifying language
… on the other hand the massive social inequity and distortion of social and cultural norms count as destructive and sometimes tragic loss …
Shotta makes a seperate point – annual receipts into Africa (aid, trade, investment, whatever) fall far short of of funds leaving Africa annually (loan repayment, dividend on profits) leaving Africa poorer every year – the system called ‘neocolonialism’.
By: ZimPaul on April 19, 2009
at 6:09 pm
PZ – The doomers may be busy watching their favorite team, ManUSA. Afterall, their calling card is “how many trophies have you won recently?”
By: shotta-gunna on April 19, 2009
at 6:10 pm
http://www.cnbc.com/id/29910075
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 6:11 pm
did you get all that SG?
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 6:12 pm
mouthtiger, there’s a great article about how your favorite manager phil brown is embarrassing his profession. I suggest you read up on it.
By: Gris Gris on April 19, 2009
at 6:13 pm
here’s the link ruislipcat:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=638220&sec=england&root=england&cc=5901
“Brown, you’re a disgrace to south shields!”
By: Gris Gris on April 19, 2009
at 6:17 pm
Zim Paul – Not only the massive outflow of capital, surplus, whatever you will, but here in the Caribbean, while the plantation economy has declined, we are even more massively dependent on imports. Domestic industry, such as they were, are now historic relics, and subsistence farming isfollowing closely behind. Social disintegration in both rural and urban societies is the norm. That is why there is so much out-migration affecting ex-colonial powers such as Britain.
By: shotta-gunna on April 19, 2009
at 6:22 pm
Later you guys, have a nice rest of weekend … talk soon
By: ZimPaul on April 19, 2009
at 6:22 pm
We have very similar and comparable scenario this side SG … you put it very well … although I do see more hope in Africa, several economies are growing fast, resilience and ingenuity in much in evidence and a new spirit of emancipation amongst the youth … we shall see
very nice to talk … what part of Caribbean are you … we Zimbabweans are also cricket fanatics
By: ZimPaul on April 19, 2009
at 6:27 pm
See ya…ZP
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 6:27 pm
see you too Maria
By: ZimPaul on April 19, 2009
at 6:28 pm
Got it Maria. Lula is trying to simplify it as a matter of race, in trying to distinguish the role of the developed and developing countries. But last time I checked Obama is black and he is certainly not trying to change the current system of international relations.
By: shotta-gunna on April 19, 2009
at 6:31 pm
I am off to thanks everyone for your help…especially PZ…ACLF really is something else…shame bob was’nt here would’nt enjoy our discussion….offered the insight of a wise old man….
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 6:33 pm
SG…his white himself if i am not mistaken…just a crazy guy….
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 6:34 pm
ZP – Jamaican but a Caribbean man.
Bye guys. Interesting discussion.
Respect!
By: shotta-gunna on April 19, 2009
at 6:35 pm
Come on, Tim!
Never thought I’d hear myself shouting that!
By: FunGunner on April 19, 2009
at 6:37 pm
I’m not watching FG, what’s the score?
By: Passenal on April 19, 2009
at 6:39 pm
Penos – Toffees ahead.
By: OneOfUs on April 19, 2009
at 6:40 pm
Yaaay!
Does that mean Sir Alex has lost it?
By: FunGunner on April 19, 2009
at 6:42 pm
Damn Sir Alex – Poor team selection.
By: shotta-gunna on April 19, 2009
at 6:43 pm
Did the mancs lose?
By: Passenal on April 19, 2009
at 6:45 pm
…..the British Empire must have been a really malevolent force to have caused so much poverty in the world and to be the hidden force behind most of the current world problems….and to have disenfranchised so many minority groups…some of which have populations running into the billions….the amazing thing though is that all of this was done by my forefathers….and passed it down to me…how they found time to do this whilst putting in so much time in the factory and fields…I have no idea….and all without even a vote…..
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 6:46 pm
Yes indeed, Passenal. Wouldn’t it be delicious if the quintuple bid fizzled out into just the Carling Cup?
By: FunGunner on April 19, 2009
at 6:47 pm
I bet he won’t get half the abuse Arsene has had to take from pundits and alleged ‘fans’. I hope Everton go on and win it now.
By: Passenal on April 19, 2009
at 6:49 pm
When I say ‘he’ I meant SAF!
By: Passenal on April 19, 2009
at 6:50 pm
Been reading further back – what an interesting topic for your dissertation, Maria. Very timely. Can I dive in as well? I’ll take that as a yes.
Like you and others, I am often suspicious of “cultural” exemptions which are basically just a manifestation of female oppression, and it’s questionable just how representative the official voices of various communities are. There comes a point when you just have to stand up and say, X is wrong, you will not be permitted to do X, whether it’s traditional in your culture or not.
Having said that, I lean towards the principle of no exemptions which conflict with fundamental legal and cultural principles of the UK – which should be defined by law. (This is one of the reasons I also think that we should have a written constitution in the UK.) This would mean, I think, that, for example, Sikh men would continue to be exempt from the requirement to wear a helmet on a motorbike. Wearing a helmet is a health and safety matter to non-Sikhs, but to some religous Sikhs, it’s an issue of cultural identity. Anyone taking advantage of the exemption would be taking his own life in his hands, not causing harm to anyone else. And he has a free choice.
Male circumcision would pass this test, if correctly carried out, but female genital mutilation – let’s not be mealy-mouthed – would not.
And on this principle, there would be no cultural or religious exemptions from child abuse laws.
As to how to what the basic principles are, I think you could start with the thinking underlying human rights laws, animal cruelty legislation, laws governing the democratic process, and much of the anti-discrimination legislation – with the exception of religious discrimination law, which is contentious anyway. It would be easier, as I said earlier, if we had a written constitution.
I take the point that equality before the law is itself one of the most fundamental legal principles of all, but I think some accommodation of “new” cultures as outlined above would do no harm, and would contribute to diversity and social harmony. Ethnic minorities often feel besieged by the dominant culture (despite the tabloid press claiming the opposite!). And we should also remember that the culture of the UK, like the English language, IS the result of many cultures coming together.
By: FunGunner on April 19, 2009
at 6:51 pm
that has certainly cheered me up.
Everton for the Cup !
By: Matty on April 19, 2009
at 6:51 pm
Finally the stupid quintuple is over!
By: Siva on April 19, 2009
at 6:53 pm
Going back to the football, I would love Everton to win the FA Cup now. Not just because it would stop the Chavs winning, but also because it would be a reward for a good manager and a club which has taken a long-term approach to team-building.
By: FunGunner on April 19, 2009
at 6:54 pm
Maria, ZP, Shotta,
There are many who debate that Africa’s problem stems primarily from the fact that it isnt even partially connected to the capitalist world system. After the decolonization, sa far as economies are concerned, they are quite insulated from the world economy. Moreover whatever form of connections that existed were detrimental to Africa’s development. Africa’s total debt is mere $235 Bn, yet the west refuses to write it off, for obvious reasons. One of the faces of neo-colonialism.
Expecting a change on how the West deals with Africa now, maybe it’s baout time that it’s brought into the system more fully.
By: Ateeb on April 19, 2009
at 6:56 pm
Well done Everton! Don’t care about the abuse – he never gets any anyway, from the media.
Am not sure if they have ‘fans’ exactly.
Suppose the downside is extra focus on the CL ~ but not worrying about that now. (yet)
Hope Benitez says something to really rile him…
By: Ponyboy on April 19, 2009
at 6:56 pm
…..’Wearing a helmet is a health and safety matter to non-Sikhs, but to some religous Sikhs, it’s an issue of cultural identity. Anyone taking advantage of the exemption would be taking his own life in his hands, not causing harm to anyone else. And he has a free choice.’…..
….why don’t we all have that free choice, FG?…
…..and why is male genital mutilation OK but female not’…
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 7:03 pm
Maybe it’s the way it’s done. Crude spiky-looking contraptions and weeks of agonizing pain for women, as opposed to the bris-k procedure for dudes.
By: OneOfUs on April 19, 2009
at 7:07 pm
How stupid does Everton winning make the anti-AW, pseudo Arsenal fans look? SAF did not play his strongest XI, no Ronaldo, no Ronney, but he supports his young strikers and midfielders with his two best central defenders. In AW’s case, the converse is true, he tries to protect his makeshift defence with the most qualified players to compete with Chelsea’s midfield. SAF is saving players for his upcoming Premier League games, eyes on the title. Similarly Arsene is saving Song for Liverpool on Tuesday. What do these two great managers know that these armchair pundits don’t? As I’ve said before, they have absolutely no credibility.
By: shotta-gunna on April 19, 2009
at 7:11 pm
….one of the early written constitutions was inscribed on a rock on the top of amountain….found by Moses who glared at the heavens on reading the inscription….and with a quizzical look shouted….’ now lets get this right….you want us to cut off the end of our dicks?’….
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 7:11 pm
Also, there are health benefits for guys.
I don’t think FGM benefits anyone!
By: OneOfUs on April 19, 2009
at 7:18 pm
…I think we are comparing circumcisions which are done for cultural reasons, OoU….
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 7:20 pm
@ Frank
“….why don’t we all have that free choice, FG?…”
Because not taking off his turban is a genuine religious/cultural objection for a Sikh.
There is a case for overriding a general legal principle in the interests of social harmony.
I do see that one could run into problems with the definition of what is a genuine religious duty, but I think those problems are bypassed by the test – ie does it do harm or does it conflict with the “basic principles”.
“…..and why is male genital mutilation OK but female not’…”
Because male circumcision is a much less aggressive procedure, closer to ear piercing. It’s not necessary, but it’s not actually harmful, as far as I’m aware. FGM has serious health implications. And male circumcision IS usually carried out for cultural or religious reasons – possibly originally inspired by health considerations back in the mists of time.
I don’t see any reason to ban practices which don’t do any harm but which mean a lot to the community which carries them out.
By: FunGunner on April 19, 2009
at 7:37 pm
……..am i sad for coming on just to gloat about the mancs losing only to see two excellent post by FG and Ateeb for me…..
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 7:37 pm
..and why is male genital mutilation OK but female not’
Really, with my second comment I was just backtracking after the crass joke I made earlier.
As I understand, if it’s called “female circumcision”, it’s is only ever done for cultural reasons – and seems horrendous and unnecessary.
For guys it’s something that often has to happen anyway. In fact it’s slowly being recommended for everyone.
Will stop before i start looking even more ignorant!
By: OneOfUs on April 19, 2009
at 7:40 pm
No, Maria – gloating is compulsory!
By: FunGunner on April 19, 2009
at 7:43 pm
When it comes to feeling embarrassed, that wee incident is the least of our worries. We have a worrying trend of only playing well again good opposition. Not an ideal situation to pick up points.
Brown is coming out with some ill advised comments at the moment. He reacts to easily when goaded by the press. He should stop reading to much into what they say. It seems he started to believe his own press when the stories were positive early on and now can’t understand why they’re fucking him up the arse.
I never realised you could swear on here. Are any word off limits?
By: Ruisliptiger on April 19, 2009
at 7:45 pm
It’s a shame Ronaldo and Rooney weren’t playing. Still, I expect Ronaldo will cry anyway.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 7:53 pm
Foreskin robbers are going to attack us in the night.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 7:55 pm
It’s for your own good, they’ll say.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 7:56 pm
Women will be employed to pick up men in bars, go to bed with them, then cut them in their sleep.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 7:57 pm
“Still, I expect Ronaldo will cry anyway.”
lol
***
Regarding the gloating, the awful thing is that, in my case, it’s directed as much at the Arsenal D&G brigade as at the Mancs. It is such a pity that things should have come to such a pass. Am I a bad person?
By: FunGunner on April 19, 2009
at 8:01 pm
A bad person! Not at all!
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 8:04 pm
“Women will be employed to pick up men in bars, go to bed with them, then cut them in their sleep.”
Hmm…is this one of your recurring nightmares, Poliziano?
By: FunGunner on April 19, 2009
at 8:16 pm
…Ruisliptiger….when Hull visited Arsenal way back towards the beginning of the season…many of us gave your side a standing ovation at the end of the game….we were even prepared to congratulate Phil Brown on being a progressive manager etc etc……regrettably he threw that right back in our faces….and insulted our club for all to see….not only that he and his sidekick concocted a story etc etc…it could have been so different…
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 8:22 pm
Whats all this talk about willy’s?
Willy Thorne is the most annoying comentor in the Snooker pundit line up.
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 8:23 pm
Am so there with you FG it’s unreal…
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 8:27 pm
…tiger we censor ourselves on this site you and your manager should take heed…
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 8:31 pm
….FG, for what it is worth…I believe that all people should be treated equally….all choices should be the same…..male circumcision for cultural/religious purposes is carried out on minors and should not be allowed….and female circumcision on minors should also not be allowed…..circumcision as a matter of choice for either sex is just that….provided it is a free choice then so be it…..if it is not a free choice then I am against it…..now the interesting question is whether a person who has been indoctrinated does indeed have a free choice….
….the Seikh crash helmet thing is interesting becuase I believe that the wearing of crash helmets had an economic basis…..too much of a burden on the NHS etc….
…I don’t think that culture or religion should trump all else…
…as a rule though I think that making laws to change behaviour is a bad thing the effect of the making law is often illusory…..
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 8:34 pm
….sorry f*cked up the last sentence…but you know waht I mean….
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 8:35 pm
now we have a real debate going….multiculturalists V liberals…..ingenious on my part…primary information from real people….FG and Frank do you either of you live in the UK?
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 8:40 pm
Circumcision is cleaner though, its reccomended to stop future problems. You might as well to do it when there kids because they wont know whats happend and it’ll beneifit them later in life.
Also, The hospitals can then collect all the foreskins, melt them down, cool them, then heat them up again to make a kind of soft plastic material. The material is then made into wallets. These wallets are great and extremely exspensive because if your going on holiday you can rub them and they’ll turn into a suitcase
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 8:40 pm
OneOfUs said circumcision is “slowly being recommended for everyone.” Once it has been decided that circumcision is good for us, it will inevitably be made compulsory. I was just wondering how the new law would be implemented. Was that not obvious?
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 8:40 pm
Pz starting with every newborn baby i suspect…voluntary removal for older folks like yourselfs….
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 8:43 pm
Doesn’t anyone discuss football on this blog?
there was a great football chat the other day, better then most blogs i have to say
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 8:45 pm
anyway…. great pens by manure
By: rico01 on April 19, 2009
at 8:47 pm
…isn’t there a difference between health reasons and cultural reasons?….
….from a health perspective lopping things off to prevent ‘problems’ later on is generally not a good idea unless you are genuinely at risk….
….I live in London, England, Maria….remind me which ism am I?….
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 8:49 pm
…I don’t understand…why are multi-culturalists and liberals polar opposites?….
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 8:59 pm
….I don’t think I am either of them….?…..Arsenal is a multicultural team which is fine with me….provided they can play well together as a team and on the pitch they adopt the Arsenal playing culture….technique, pace, passing etc….
…..they all play to the same rules of course…
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 9:03 pm
UTD going out softens the blow – it means that we both stay on 10 and 11 FA cups apiece – some way ahead of those titans of the game, Chelsea on 4
By: alanG on April 19, 2009
at 9:05 pm
alanG, they are titans of fouling i’ll tell you that much
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 9:07 pm
A lot of footballers have problems with their cruciate ligaments. To avoid that, why not cut off their legs?
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 9:07 pm
“…I don’t understand…why are multi-culturalists and liberals polar opposites?….”
Phew, I’m glad you brought that up, Frank!
I also should have put, “recommended for everyone – by some people”:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7960798.stm
Still here, reading along.
By: OneOfUs on April 19, 2009
at 9:09 pm
I was frustrated by Saturdays tactics – Wenger spoke of all out attack as a way of occupying Chelsea and keeping their gaze averted from our fragile underbelly of a reserve backline.
For me the KEY DEFENSIVE injury was losing Djourou. He was an adequate cover for Gallas – because he is tall and has pace. He could have handled Drogba. Silvestre could not because he has lost the only asset he ever had – his pace.
By: alanG on April 19, 2009
at 9:09 pm
A little harsh on Silvestre i think alanG.
Drogba’s “done” pretty much every centrehalf in the league.
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 19, 2009
at 9:11 pm
I don’t know anything about politics, Maria, but is it enough just to accept two opinions, multiculturalism and liberalism, and then categorise everything accordingly? I pay very little attention to politics. I know nothing of the secret forces about which other bloggers on here are expert. It seems to me, though, that liberal and multicultural have a wide range of often contradictory meanings. Would it be better to dispense with those terms, and look for a more solid foundation on which to build your analysis?
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 9:14 pm
I wish everyone would stop having a go at wengers choice and the outfiled team, the only reason we lost is bcause fabianski shit his pants, simple as that, he’s just a kid and i fear he’s proved he doesn’t have the mental strength, he’ll always be an accident waiting to happen. They dont make seamans like they used to do they
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 9:15 pm
I could have scored the goal Drogba got yesterday.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 9:17 pm
No you couldn’t, I’ve seen you play
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 9:18 pm
Good one Darren.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 9:18 pm
Brilliant
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 9:19 pm
Are you Arse21?
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 9:20 pm
Arse21?
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 9:21 pm
I actually agree that Wenger needed to stiffen his midfield to a 3 against Chelsea to both counter Chelseas big 3 midfielders and also try to shield his makeshift defence
-but why not play a 3 of Song holding, FAB central joined by Diaby who would maraud forward. What is FAB doing up behind ADE – he does not have the pace to play that position. He must come from deep
- Why leave the fresh Arshavin out when he could have started left instead of an injured out of sorts RVP and been the one to come in behind ADE
- Chelsea scored at a time which killed Arsenal but Wenger saw the writing on the wall from early 2nd half and reacted far too late – a double substitution of Song for Denilson and Arshavin for RVP on 60 would have galvanised things
- I heard Toure saying that the youngsters will learn from this. Well Kolo, it was you and Silvestre
who were stood 2 on 1 against Drogba in a flat line instead of you tucking back round 5 yards behind your knackersyard french partner to avoind him being caught in a race that would only ever have one winner. FABianski went walkabout also but if he had stayed on his line Drogba would probably have achieved the same result
- In a midfield three, we should also have considered man marking lampard. Taking him out effectively nullifies Chelsea to a large extent
Overall feeling – we played ok but the handicap of the defensive injuries, the failure for the midfield three formation selected to work and the ordinary performance of ADE & FAB (which could be attributed to Wengers formation which left FAb too forward and ADE too isolated) represents a chance lost
By: alanG on April 19, 2009
at 9:21 pm
Darren that is an unfair assessment of a player based on one performance. He has had and will have better performances. All goalkeepers make mistakes including Petr Cech and Pepe Reina who both have years more experience than him.
By: Passenal on April 19, 2009
at 9:23 pm
I can’t see the value of the “if this then that” argument.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 9:25 pm
Passenal, you could see it in his eyes from the beginning, being at wembley, against chelsea, the world watching, he cracked. You cant learn wha he doesnt have
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 9:25 pm
I don’t accept the fAB was shi*te – so we lost
In my post I said:
“I heard Toure saying that the youngsters will learn from this. Well Kolo, it was you and Silvestre
who were stood 2 on 1 against Drogba in a flat line instead of you tucking back round 5 yards behind your knackersyard french partner to avoind him being caught in a race that would only ever have one winner. FABianski went walkabout also but if he had stayed on his line Drogba would probably have achieved the same result.”
This point is so crucial. 5 minutes to go – two highly experienced CBs playing. The game is petering out (Chelsea are not attacking in Waves). What’s the one big danger – lampard to burst forward or a few long balls to Drogba.
BOTH CBS SWITCH OFF FOR A FATAL FEW SECONDS
The ball is up the other end of the pitch – both walk out and don’t look where the other is. I blame Kolo. Silvestre is beside Drogba. Kolo should take 4-5 steps back and in and he’s on the cover. He doesn’t. Ball breaks, Lampard quickly releases it and BANG – you’re dead.
That’s the top level – you dont concentrate for 85 minutes you concentrate for 90. Then Kolo tells us the youngsters will learn. Grow up yourself Kolo….
By: alanG on April 19, 2009
at 9:29 pm
What do you mean by “can’t learn?” If you mean from a book, you’re probably right. One becomes accustomed to it through experience, as with so many things.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 9:31 pm
How amazing was young gibbs though?, what a career chaging performance, he’s worth 10 million after that game, expect his contract to be increased, the boys got and shedloads of talent
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 9:31 pm
Poliziano, I mean you cant learn to be cool under pressure, well not cool enough to play football at the highest level anyway. I wouldnt have minded if he just didnt play well, but he was awfull. Lampard was having 40 yard shots and it seemed worth it. I feel sorry for the lad
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 9:35 pm
How do you know that, Darren?
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 9:37 pm
AlanG – it’s easy to be wise after the event, but Arsene explained it thus
“Alex Song has played many games and I believe when you do that you need rest. I am not sure he would have stopped the ball in the air on the second goal, but it is difficult. We know they are dangerous on set-pieces and we are a bit short. Plus they have some tall boys who make it physical in midfield and we needed a player like Diaby to be capable of fighting against them.
“As well I wanted to rotate it a bit because Nasri was sick last week and he looked a bit tired. We played with three strikers – Theo, Robin and Adebayor – and I couldn’t play with four when they had three in midfield.
“I believe we are team with eight games in 24 days and you cannot imagine to play every game with exactly the same players.”
By: Passenal on April 19, 2009
at 9:37 pm
I can’t see what you’re getting so excited about, alanG. Can Toure and the younger players not learn from the same match?
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 9:39 pm
Know what?
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 9:39 pm
How do you know that it is impossible to learn to be cool under pressure?
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 9:41 pm
Well I know its hard enough not to take a chance on him again this season. I dont feel we’ve got the time for him to learn any more in the big games. Maybe a loan period?
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 9:45 pm
Man Poo’s exit doesnt soften the blow. It sharpens it. Everton would have been the opponent had we won yesterday and we’d all have fancied us against them.
By: Ole Gunner on April 19, 2009
at 9:46 pm
It was a stupid question, because of course you don’t know it. You don’t know anything about what can or cannot be learnt. You don’t even know Fabianski was affected by pressure.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 9:47 pm
Don’t remember when last Wenger looked as bad as we looked yesterday. Oh you guessed right. When we last lost in domestic competition.
By: Ole Gunner on April 19, 2009
at 9:49 pm
Yeah…..wel……You dont know your two times table
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 9:49 pm
ole gunner, do not blame arsene, without him we wouldnt o made it there, we have a great squad which has to be utilized
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 9:50 pm
Darren is a bore.
By: Ponyboy on April 19, 2009
at 9:51 pm
Darren – Arsene is a manager with 30 years experience in football and he disagrees with your assessment. I think I will go with his judgement rather than yours because what you are suggesting is that a 24 year old who may have frozen during his first ‘big game’ is not capable of learning from that experience and getting better?
By: Passenal on April 19, 2009
at 9:51 pm
Is the two times table another of those things that cannot be learnt?
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 9:51 pm
Passenal –
why are you bothering with him ?
By: Ponyboy on April 19, 2009
at 9:53 pm
I think he could be Arse21 in disguise, Ponyboy.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 9:56 pm
Anyway I’ll prefer a Champions League final to actually winning the FA Cup. So it’s all to play for.
By: Ole Gunner on April 19, 2009
at 9:57 pm
I swear this is the wierdest site ever, why are you all so aggresive for no reason?
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 9:57 pm
Passenal, i hope your right, i was just suggesting maybe our goalkeeping options could be strengthened. I do like the lad, it was his birthday you know
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 9:59 pm
f*** off Darren…..
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 10:07 pm
Nice
By: Darren on April 19, 2009
at 10:08 pm
on the debate front i only mentioned the divide in relation to my question….on the whole must mutlitculturists are for exemption laws while liberals are against the idea they agrue instead that there must be equal treatment in order to ensure universal equal citizenship….i am perosnally still on the fench…..
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 10:12 pm
…my pleasure….
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 10:13 pm
Ole, the game is past what is the point of ‘what ifs’? We didn’t win the game, the players and manager will take the lessons they need to take from it and move on. We might as well do the same too since we can’t change what has happened.
By: Passenal on April 19, 2009
at 10:14 pm
……..fergie for the sack……
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 10:15 pm
Anderson, Park,Fabio, tevez, Welbeck their all shiite…sell thwm all in the summer along with that moody lazy striker Berbetov 20 odd million for that!!!
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 10:21 pm
No heart especially those samba boys….disgrace to the shirt……best player was that english kid in goal…..showed some real heart….aswell as Rio ofcause….
By: Maria on April 19, 2009
at 10:23 pm
Dissertation coming along nicely, Maria ?
Ask, because each time i pop up on here, you are here too. Co-incidence ? Stalking ? Strimming ?
Darren… something about his NAME…
By: Ponyboy on April 19, 2009
at 10:32 pm
…well I am against the laws altogether, Maria….exemption or otherwise…..good luck with the dissertation…
By: Frank on April 19, 2009
at 10:32 pm
Feel all guilty now.. sorry D****n. Ish.
By: Ponyboy on April 19, 2009
at 10:33 pm
Slightly off topic, but is anyone watching Paul Gascoigne’s impression of a pundit on Match of the day 2?
It is making me cringe
By: Mean Lean on April 19, 2009
at 10:36 pm
More of a trimmer, I would say.
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 10:38 pm
Passenal – this isn’t the first time!! Stop making so much sense, please!
Some of us have self-esteem issues…
okay…to Gazza… thanks, ML.
By: Ponyboy on April 19, 2009
at 10:41 pm
What an amazing period this. Wigan last tuesday seems like last season already. And we still have all these big games to come.
By: Ole Gunner on April 19, 2009
at 11:12 pm
Is Djourou expected to be back for Tuesday?
By: Poliziano on April 19, 2009
at 11:24 pm
Almunia had a terrible time the first time he stood in for Lehmann, but look how he turned out. Fabianski will be fine.
Roll on Tuesday!!!
By: FunGunner on April 20, 2009
at 12:03 am
@ Maria
Yes, I do live in the UK.
@ Frank
“I don’t think that culture or religion should trump all else…”
I agree. That’s why the test I would apply is “does it do harm and/or conflict with “the basic principles”.
“…as a rule though I think that making laws to change behaviour is a bad thing the effect of the making law is often illusory…..”
Again, I tend to agree. Although it depends on the behaviour you’re trying to change, on social conditions and a host of other factors. Anti-smoking legislation combined with other changes in attitude has helped to push a lot of people into giving up smoking, but prohibition in the US was a spectacular failure.
And as for the general principle of everyone being equally treated, that we can definitely agree on, but equal treatment does not necessarily mean identical treatment. FGM is completely different to male circumcision. You could look at it as the difference between having your ears pierced, and having your ears cut off, and probably your eardrums perforated into the bargain. Unnecessary but harmless versus unnecessary and harmful.
Like I said before it just seems to me that a lot of good and very little harm would result in allowing some latitude within certain parameters.
Good point about children not having a choice, but I would argue that kids would be protected from the worst excesses of their parents. If we are talking about relatively trivial practices like piercing babies’ ears, which will not have an significant impact on them in later life, why ban these practices? There would be borderline cases, but there are always borderline cases.
By: FunGunner on April 20, 2009
at 12:09 am
I, for one, wouldn’t care how the game against Liverpool this Tuesday will turn out. Just enjoy the game would be of utmost importance.
The game against Liverpool isn’t the game that would have mattered the most this season. (You guys should know which games are the most important to us right now, don’t you?)
By: gackt13 on April 20, 2009
at 5:58 am
What a laugh this morning reading last night’s posts … oh Darren Darren… something about his NAME… Pb I burst out laughing … Maria too
By: ZimPaul on April 20, 2009
at 6:11 am
No, the game v Pool is quite important – we need to finish third if possible to avoid the new format play-offs for CL 2010 … and in any case we need to get or mojo back ….
Sat was a setback not a shipwreck … the lads need the supporters more than ever …
GO GUNNERS~!!!!
By: ZimPaul on April 20, 2009
at 6:15 am
Frank said …..the British Empire must have been a really malevolent force to have caused so much poverty in the world and to be the hidden force behind most of the current world problems….and to have disenfranchised so many minority groups…some of which have populations running into the billions….the amazing thing though is that all of this was done by my forefathers….and passed it down to me…how they found time to do this whilst putting in so much time in the factory and fields…I have no idea….and all without even a vote…..
No, it wasn’t your forefathers Frank … nor mine. It had no nationality really, it was an economic system, that could take over huge territories with military might, mercenaries, private armies a la Cecil Rhodes whose diamond fields financed the conquest of countries.
By: ZimPaul on April 20, 2009
at 6:51 am
Hi All
Terribly disappointed with the result. I know this is against the established view here but AW made the mistake of not including AA in the squad , no ifs and buts here. Song took a knock and he explained that but for AA not to play was plain wrong. He would have another outlet and Essien, Ballack and Lampard would have another creative midfielder to worry about and allow Cesc to pay deeper also protecting the back four. Diaby kept giving the ball away. He was not in form and Denilson played badly too. We can understand AW initial logic and even early in the second half it was plain to see that Diaby and Denilson was not working out well , changes should have beeb made then and not until the 75th minute when it was too late for anything serious.
I know I will be either ignored or attacked but you guys should not think AW is infallible. He made the mistake and it should be acknowleged. He has been our best managers for a long time but I seriously think that he needs a better second man than Pat Rice. Somebody whose opinion he respects and can disagree with him and has great tactical acumen. This can only help the team in crucial moments like teh last match.
AA would have free up Cesc more than Diaby who had a horrid game of giving the ball away. Ditto Denilson and Ditto Slyvestre, who I observe that he had almost a 100% rate of passing to the opposition when he passed upfield.
With all these giving of the balls away our ball retention was poor and allowed Chel$ki to keep coming back at us.
Let admit it AW screw up this time but we hope he learns.
All those who think that Fergie is actually going for the quintuple is fooled. 2 of his best players are not playing Rooney and Ronaldo so he has put a so so team to try to win but if he does not so be it. His eyes is on the EPL and the CL. Those who think that we can afford to be like Fergie look at the table. He has a very high probability of winning the EPL whereas we at best is 3rd place.
We needed to win the FA.
THat over lets move on. We absolutely need the CL now and lets hope the team does not get discouraged
Up The Arse!!!!
By: Malaysiangunner on April 20, 2009
at 6:56 am
We love you Arsenal…We do
We love you Arsenal…We do
AaaRrrsenal……We love You
It’s Liverpool next…
By: Gunner4Ever on April 20, 2009
at 7:21 am
….for Maria’s dissertation and before YW posts….
..FG, I believe that female circumcision is abhorrent….I also believe that male circumcision is abhorrent…one may be worse than the other although the literature on both indicates real concerns…..male circumcision in the UK is not practiced as a matter of course….and is much ,much more dangerous than ear-piercing. However I do not believe that the latter should be practiced upon children either.
Adults can make their own decisions…provided that it is of their own free will and they are of sound minds….religious indoctrination probably fails on both of those counts. Of course we might also define ‘adult’…at the moment in the UK it is an arbitrary age, 18. Though it is soemtimes 16 or 17….e.g. riding motorbikes, cars etc…..
…which brings me to Seikhs…if riding a motorbike without a crash helmet is deemed to be so dangerous that we need a law to protect unwitting cirizenry…then Seikhs should wear a crash helmet like the rest of us…they can exercise their right to not wear a crash helmet by not riding a motorbike….which in itself is not a right.
…not sure about anti-smoking laws….I don’t think that enough was done previously to ensure that children did not smoke…I know that the laws recently implemented in the UK have caused people to smoke in different places…..although it always seemd to me that if a restaurant or pub advertised the fact that they are there specifically for smokers there should be no problem….after all any non-smoker has the choice to not work there or go there….I believe that reducing smoking from now on will be difficult if not impossible….
By: Frank on April 20, 2009
at 8:26 am
….understand the sentiment, Zimpaul…but when people bemoan the British Empire or The West….they are blaming a lot more than the private armies of a few individuals….racism needs to be eradicated….but there is an insidious form of racism in the world which works in the reverse direction …..which tends not to be spoken of in political arenas or in polite society…..in itself it is a barrier to progress….
By: Frank on April 20, 2009
at 8:34 am
Arshavin needed rest idiots
By: Happy Gooner on April 20, 2009
at 8:45 am
With you Frank … we do understand … personally hate the reverse racism that creeps around … we have our own problems in Africa (that cruel dictator that runs my country being one of them)
By: ZimPaul on April 20, 2009
at 9:03 am
ZimPaul dont worry be happy. There’s too much negativity in the world, dont add to it with constant whinging
By: Happy Gooner on April 20, 2009
at 9:06 am
Queen of Suburbia,you seem a decent person yourself.Just a message to pass on to Frank.”Kuschmeintuchas”.I think you might understand
By: kelsey on April 20, 2009
at 9:09 am
Malaysian Gunner … some good points … but wrong context. Nobody is infallible, but Wenger is just a very, very good manager who’s accomplishments are not generally appreciated …
When Hiddink says (and lots of other respected managers in modern football) that Chelsea needs to emulate Arsenal he knows what he is talking about …
One victory or loss do not make a season, the reason we did not win is 80% injury in key defence positions and 20% ‘on the day’ factors
How does anyone know AA was completely AOK, what happened in practice, what other factors had to be considered …
We don’t play the blame game
By: ZimPaul on April 20, 2009
at 9:14 am
ZimPaul you seem to whinge alo. Stop it, be happy
By: Happy Gooner on April 20, 2009
at 9:16 am
Morning fellow CLFs,
More intelligent debate i see, thanks Frank i am having abit of a mental block so your throughts on the subject are most helpful…..
Kelsey, HG **** off!!!!
By: Maria on April 20, 2009
at 9:16 am
…I agree with Zimpaul….
By: Frank on April 20, 2009
at 9:16 am
With you Happy Gooner, no I am not a whinger, but quite a happy bloke really … no problem my brother (or sister) …
I leave the whinging to others …
By: ZimPaul on April 20, 2009
at 9:17 am
….now about that name, Kelsey….
By: Frank on April 20, 2009
at 9:17 am
I would say it was more 75% injurys to key players, 20% on the day factors, 5% kryptonite
By: Happy Gooner on April 20, 2009
at 9:17 am
I like your nickname Happy Gooner, keep the spirit
By: ZimPaul on April 20, 2009
at 9:18 am
LG’s again they most be sooooooo bored over there….
By: Maria on April 20, 2009
at 9:18 am
not crap-tonight
By: ZimPaul on April 20, 2009
at 9:19 am
In my humble view i thought Diaby and fab in the midfield were quite poor. Fab in goal was like a lunatic and silvetre was old Actually the game wasn’t even entertaining, although chelsea were stronger and played better….. Song should of been on and Ashavin.. it’d done and dusted now lets focus on the CL
By: The Troof on April 20, 2009
at 9:22 am
Sorry ‘Happy’ … I’m sure you have the wrong fella … I tend not to whinge … too busy enjoying myself mostly … reading and laughing at ACLF wit and wisdom …
By: ZimPaul on April 20, 2009
at 9:23 am
…strange assessment of ZP, HG….
By: Frank on April 20, 2009
at 9:27 am
Arsene went for power on Saturday. Power and pace. Now that I’m completely over it and looking at next week, I reluctantly understand his thinking. If he played Arshavin, we’d have lost height and understanding of the scrap that a cup game against Shellsey is. He had to play his best two strikers. Not playing Song also made sense because he is our only fit defensive cover. If you played him and he had a groin strain, then Toure got sent off, what would you do?
In the end, the game was going into extra time, and we could see that our stamina was going to start counting.
There’s no accounting for a hoofed ball down our throats, Silvestre letting Drogba run to it. He actually stopped running as Drogba skipped past him, and then picked up again with a jogging pace. A defender that experienced would have been expected to keep up his run at full pace, knowing that Drogba still had work to do. That’s what Kolo did. But not our Silvestre. That was malpractice really.
Fabianski was completely to blame for the first goal but I absolve him of the second. What has he to do? Stay on his line and wait till Drogba strolls, hands-in-pockets into the box to score? Once Silvestre stopped running
By: Ole Gunner on April 20, 2009
at 9:27 am
First time I’ve ben called a whinger … gosh … me no like it …
By: ZimPaul on April 20, 2009
at 9:31 am
…league and ECL are the most important competitions for us…we have won the FA Cup four times under AW…and lost in the final once….nice to go for a fifth but the ECL is the big one….and fourth or third are essential….
ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL
By: Frank on April 20, 2009
at 9:31 am
…you are not whinger, ZP….the person is barking…
By: Frank on April 20, 2009
at 9:32 am
Ole Gunner … you make sense
By: ZimPaul on April 20, 2009
at 9:32 am
Ole Gunner I’m glad you’ve calmed down enough to see the bigger picture, but I think Slyvestre was dead on his feet as Arsene said
On making late substitutions…
“You must consider you could go to extra time and we had one or two players who were short – Silvestre and Gibbs at half-time – so if you make the change earlier you could have played with 10 men.”
He has had an injury interrupted season and coming off the back of the Villareal game, he didn’t have the legs to keep running on that choppy pitch.
By: Passenal on April 20, 2009
at 9:32 am
…I agree with Passenal…
By: Frank on April 20, 2009
at 9:33 am
Frank you and I have the same humanistic philosphy … I’m too old for a lot of crap that passes as ‘politics’ … ideology … race … political correctedness … nope, I’ve seen too much … people first I say
By: ZimPaul on April 20, 2009
at 9:35 am
Malaysian Gunner, you are so wise perhaps you should apply for the manager’s job at Arsenal since it will be vacant soon.
By: Passenal on April 20, 2009
at 9:37 am
I understand Kelsey … he’s just an ‘otherwise’ fellow … playing devil’s avocado … can’t help ‘imself … I think he knows a lot about the Arsenal and I wouldn’t put him in the same boat as ‘The Troof’ ha ha ha ha ha ah ha ha ha he ha he … The Troof … I love the comedy Am I Bovvered
By: ZimPaul on April 20, 2009
at 9:41 am
…do you mean you understand Kelsey….or you understand, Kelsey….?
By: Frank on April 20, 2009
at 9:45 am
…sorry I could have put that better…
By: Frank on April 20, 2009
at 9:46 am
Hey ZP,
My uncle works for the UN and his just accepted a offer a post in Lesotho now my cousins are trying to convince me to visit….any ideas on the place and it’s people…
By: Maria on April 20, 2009
at 9:49 am
Can someone post a link to the transcripts of Pat Rice’s conversations with Arsene Wenger? I haven’t been able to find them. I’m interested to see the evidence that he is Wenger’s “Yes man,” that Wenger doesn’t respect him, that he knows nothing about football, and so on.
By: Poliziano on April 20, 2009
at 9:51 am
ZP
You can not begin how much I admire the man,AW, that is but Saturday was not one of those days. It is days like these that the manager earns his keep, this tiem AW has fallen short. ZP, he had explained why he did not play our most inform CM , Song but he was silent on not playing AA. The question of not playing a fresh ,well rested in form talent like AA needs to be answered. So I presume injury was not an issue.
Look at Spain, going for power and height is not everything. Speed and passing and quickness of thought are all hallmarks of our best game and that of Spain. If he had wanted power he would have bought Kompany and etc but he tried to buy Alonso and did buy AA. So why chicken out on your philosophy and style in this crunch game. You can not line you best players with smallish players the change your mind half way.
I rather we give it a good go playing our gameand lose 5-2 than lose by those hoof up goals to the Drog because we have a better chance of wining if we have the ability to score more goals with AA instead of Diaby or Denilson(who is no giant either)
But that is passed, now we look towards the Pool game and give them a good spanking just to vent our frustration.
Come you Gunners !!!!
Up The Arse! Up The Arse!!! Up The Arse!!!
By: Malaysiangunner on April 20, 2009
at 9:51 am
I don’t really get the furore over the selection.
None of us fans are “inside” so we aren’t privvy to the decision making process.
It seems sort of futile to complain that Song or AA didn’t get a game, for all we know Alex could have said, i’ve got a problem with my hamstring boss, I need a rest.
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 20, 2009
at 9:52 am
….what the f*ck has AA got to do with the way Chelski scored their second goal, MG?…..
By: Frank on April 20, 2009
at 9:55 am
Perhaps he should have played in goals Frank?
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 20, 2009
at 9:57 am
…..he would have cleared of the line Frank…..duuh…
By: Maria on April 20, 2009
at 10:00 am
…in fact you might argue that AW should not have brought AA and Nasri on because when he did…they scored…..that is the logical concusion of you analysis, MG…..stop f*cking whining…we lost to two defensive mistakes….and I think the poor pitch very slightly favoured them as it got cut up….
….AW and the squad are fine and they will pick themselves up, dust themselves off and get on with the next game…..they always do….only the so-called supporters wobble…
ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL
By: Frank on April 20, 2009
at 10:00 am
Passenal
AW still streets ahead of most managers and he has put faith in this team and Song , to some extend Eboue, Denilson on another day and others is paying dividend. Very few others have such vision and courage. As you all have said if not for him we would not have travelled so far. But for this one match he blinked away from his philosophy of playing football on the ground.
Of course the injuries at the back made it very difficult. It is our sh@3s4T luck.
Lets move on.
CYOG
Up The Arse!!!
By: Malaysiangunner on April 20, 2009
at 10:03 am
I have to say though that what bothers me is not that we lost but that the chavs were better than us, and seemed to want it more.
By: Ole Gunner on April 20, 2009
at 10:06 am
Apparently Saturday was “disrespectful to every Arsenal” fan?
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 20, 2009
at 10:07 am
Well OG they are in the CL third in the league and no in the final of the FA they are in all those positions for a reason…..
By: Maria on April 20, 2009
at 10:09 am
Frank
With AA we might be 3 up before they scored.
The logical conclusion of my analysis is that we play to our strength. I am happy to lose , that is part of the game , but we should not blink and trust our best players AA,Cesc, RVP,Walcot and Ade to deliver the goals.
I have supported the Arsenal for 38 years, you can not begin to think how grateful I am of AW for bring us thus far. I have seen horrendous football in the late 70s and 80s.
But we need to look at this honestly and move on otherwise we will repeat the same bloody mistake.
Up The Arse!!!
By: Malaysiangunner on April 20, 2009
at 10:09 am
MG “…but we hope he learns”.
What more about football does AW have to learn ?? That is really arrogant – usually you make sense, so put that substance down!
By: Ponyboy on April 20, 2009
at 10:09 am
….oh dear, MG…you can’t honestly mean that last post…..when did you last see AA score three goals on a poor pitch against physical opposition with an impaired defence behind him?….
By: Frank on April 20, 2009
at 10:12 am
for bringing..
By: Malaysiangunner on April 20, 2009
at 10:13 am
They also cost about £350m more than us as well ole…
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 20, 2009
at 10:15 am
Frank
if Bolton and Pool can out 3 and 4 pass Chelski why can’t we.
The defence will is not much worse that Boltons and we hold the ball it midflied much better than Bolton. Diaby and Denilson kept giving the ball away in game yet we lost only by 1.
So yes we could have outscored Chelski with Cech being tested more. He has been wobbly.As it is after we score the firts gola we did not test him sufficiently.
PB
All of us learn no matter how old we are or how good we are. If AW was perfect we would be top of the table and won against Chelski.
Up The Arse!!!
By: Malaysiangunner on April 20, 2009
at 10:20 am
….right OofS if we were the best team in the country we would be top of the league instead we still hoping to dislodge the Chavs from third place…i could be wrong but isn’t Essein worth more than our whole MF…
By: Maria on April 20, 2009
at 10:22 am
can score 3 and 4 pass
By: Malaysiangunner on April 20, 2009
at 10:22 am
Maria
Grab the chance and go to Lesotho. An incredible scenic place, unbelievable, the roof of the world, high in the mountains, clear spring water, the only horse culture remaining in Africa, if you go in winter (June-august) snow and loveliest views, a proud people, colourful and dignified, steer clear of the capital Maseru, although it has its own interest, make sure you have a car, and drive.
By: ZimPaul on April 20, 2009
at 10:23 am
Maria, QoS,
Are you saying we’re inferior to Shellsey because I certainly don’t think so. We did not play well. I don’t think there is an excuse for not playing well in a semi-final. RVP, Cesc, Ade have been going on and on about winning trophies, but I didn’t see a trophy-winning performance from any of them on Saturday.
Even if they are superior to us as you both seem to be saying, I can’t accept them having more desire and being more up for the scrap. Their players have won it all. Most of ours haven’t.
It’s all still to play for of course. Cup games are cup games, and between 2 Top 4 teams it should be a 50-50 in theory.
We’re not desperate. So much still to play for. But our big guns have to be ready to show they’re as desperate to win things as we hear from them.
Bring on the scousers tomorrow!
By: Ole Gunner on April 20, 2009
at 10:24 am
What a lovely morning.
Sorry I wasn’t on hand to sort out your thesis Maria, but I am sure that Pb was a great help.
By the way, I thought it was on strawberries. Now that I could have discoursed on for some time.
Also by the way, Pb, ‘The Pink ‘Un’ used to be the forst results paper that came out after the games on a Saturday. Sometimes you could buy it on leaving the ground. It was actually pink.
For what it’s worth, it doesn’t seem to be that modern politicians are capable of framing sensible legislation on even relatively minor matters. On anything remotely complicated or sensitive, they are bound to get the law hideously wrong.
I am assuming that they are actually starting with good intentions when I make that statement. If we look at ‘anti terror’ legislation for instance, we can see the clear hand of oppression behind the rhetoric of ‘preserving our freedoms’. the terrorists don’t frighten me much but the government does.
By: Consolsbob on April 20, 2009
at 10:26 am
Deeply unfashionable thoughts on the British Empire:
1) For such a tiny nation, to create it at all, “where the sun never sets” etc. is pretty impressive.
2) For all our exploitation, we were far better and less cruel than the French, Germans and esp. the Belgians.
3) No-one has to be in the Commonwealth, but almost all former colonies are.
4) One old Indian guy i met said :”Things were much better under the Raj – the British stamped out corruption”.
Ok – i won’t go on… just a few points.
By: Ponyboy on April 20, 2009
at 10:26 am
Maria
We do not have Essien but we have Song and I believe he can get to the same level.
Diaby if and when he has a good run in can make it too.
Ramsey and another hope of the future.
Up The Arse!!!
By: Malaysiangunner on April 20, 2009
at 10:27 am
… and if you a chance pop up to Zimbabwe …
By: ZimPaul on April 20, 2009
at 10:29 am
PB;
oooooh my…..I think we should stick football mate….
By: Maria on April 20, 2009
at 10:29 am
….imagine the conversation at half time….
…EE..’sorry boss I screwed up on the goal’…
…LF..’not your fault EE I should have got down to the shot quicker..’
..AW..’you guys stop it…mistakes happen…keep your focus we are doing well here’
..AW..’MS how are you doing?….
…MS…’ bit knackered, boss…this pitch is crippling me….I will keep going though….’
…AW…’Good man…keep it going you will get cover from midfield..’
…AW..’KG how are you…you are doing superbly young man’
…KG..’thanks boss…didn’t realise games could be this difficult…I will keep it going though don’t worry’…
..AW..’don’t worry Kieran…we will keep Robin in there a bit longer to keep Ballack and Essien off you…well done Robin…not the way you like to play but you are completely neutralising Essien and Ballack down their right…you OK….’
…RvP..’..I’m fine…very physical…but I just want to get back out there..’
…AW…’you sure Robin….hows the groin?’
…RvP..’like I said fine, boss…’
…AW…’OK Andrei…bring you on with twenty to go..we will try to keep it tight until then….there should be more space for you in the last twenty…if you can nick one fine…if not I think we will have them in extra time…Samir…bit later for you..’
…AW…’right everyone….try to protect our backline if you can…you’ve heard Mikael and Kieran…there may be balls coming in over the top this half so Abou try to drop a little deeper…Kolo…you are a star son….try to protect Mikael and Kieran best you can…Lukascz you too….
…AW…Emmanuel get forward when you can but don’t forget we are a bit short at the back….’
…AW…’Den, Cesc, Theo….stars all of you you are going to have work very hard this half but you are on top’.
…AW..’Ade….difficult game…not many chances…you are just going to have to feed off titbits this half…harry them…and any small chance just let rip….you should get more chances towards the end of the half if we can hold on…’
..AW…’good luck everyone….lets go’
By: Frank on April 20, 2009
at 10:29 am
PZ was on hand, Consols… my sole contribution was a ‘no’. And the above.. Agree with you about this government – since 1997 we have lost almost all feedoms.
Once they fully monitor blogs (Chinese style) – i’m emigrating. Maybe to China..
By: Ponyboy on April 20, 2009
at 10:30 am
freedoms.
By: Ponyboy on April 20, 2009
at 10:30 am
As for Saturday, Passenal has said all that needs to be said. Chelsea played better than we did. One game. Move on. No point crying over spilt milk.
Interesting to see all those who believed Song ‘not good enough for the shirt’ are now castigating Arsene for not playing him as first choice. Similarly, all those who wanted Fab in and Almunia out are now telling us that Fab should be replaced by a ‘proper keeper’. ‘Twas ever thus for the hopelessly intellectually challenged.
By: Consolsbob on April 20, 2009
at 10:32 am
hehehehe… yep, i read Kipling as a boy. And i’d like to say sorry to everyone for my reactionary views.
Was hardly an indepth analysis..
By: Ponyboy on April 20, 2009
at 10:35 am
PB … the British empire … yikes … I seem to recall it ended in about 1960 and the wind of change … hmmm .. it was many things to many people … some good, fine and some appalling … the best that I love British for is the love of literature, the ‘novel’ and the written word, alongside a fine sense of humour … and now we have the commonwealth and times have indeed moved …
By: ZimPaul on April 20, 2009
at 10:36 am
hehehe…….Frank…your a legend….
The place looks majestic really ZP but i think i would do well to learn horse riding before go other there i am very sure as a the job is of a UNICEF rep. the family will be based in the capital…however i would love to get up those mountains…the views must be amazing…
How far is Zimbabwe from there and is it relatively safe @ the mo?
By: Maria on April 20, 2009
at 10:36 am
COME ON YOU GUNNERS
By: ZimPaul on April 20, 2009
at 10:39 am
…don’t forget football ZP!!!
By: Maria on April 20, 2009
at 10:39 am
Nice one Frank –
Reckon you got AW’s speech and the accent spot on there…
By: Ponyboy on April 20, 2009
at 10:41 am
Maria, Drive … don’t ride you won’t cope ….it’s a small country, 30 mins outside Maseru you in wilderness … Zimbabwe is OK at the moment … beware potholes … 3 hour flight Maseru to Harare
By: ZimPaul on April 20, 2009
at 10:44 am
oh year Maria football, Arsenal, Arsenal … and um …. cricket of course now that’s what I call a fine contribution to world civilisation … PB you listening? Remember Kiplings ‘Ode to Arsenal’.
By: ZimPaul on April 20, 2009
at 10:48 am
No worries Bob;
Pz,Frank and ZP were superb yesterday…..
By: Maria on April 20, 2009
at 10:48 am
Frank
Like your presentation of AW tactics before the game
Not a bad game plan at the start but when we see Diaby and Denilson not coping. Andrey you play slightly ahead and shoot from long range when possible and Cesc you fall back and Denilson stay and protect the back line with Cesc.
Diaby we will save you for the Pool. All at the 60th minute.
Ade push harder and harras their defence as much as possible, keep in front of Cech whenever possible and stay in the box as a target man as much as possible.
How about that?
Up The Arse
By: Malaysiangunner on April 20, 2009
at 10:53 am
Yes, but I am sure that you mentioned strawberries before. Is it too late to change?
By: Consolsbob on April 20, 2009
at 10:54 am
Do i think Chelsea are superior Ole?
Nope. Not at all.
BUT i do think £350m buys a lot of talent and certainly a lot of experience.
To lose a game means not only that we failed to do somes things but that they also managed to do some things.
What gets me, is that all of this “analysis” is so internally focussed. Its arrogant, as though, we only had to turn up and play well and victory was guaranteed.
At the end of the day, Chelsea had a game plan, they managed to create a situation where their fast striker had isolated our slowest defender with plenty of green behind him. It was an “experienced” play.
Our team is still learning and still improving. What Saturday showed for me is that on that day at least £350 million can’t be written off as irrelevant.
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 20, 2009
at 10:57 am
Good analysis queenie.
By: Consolsbob on April 20, 2009
at 10:59 am
^^^^Ditto ^^^^^
By: Maria on April 20, 2009
at 11:00 am
OleG – Your comment is tops, all the players like to spout off about they want from the club, but its about time they showed us that they are as good as they say they are..
Denilson, Diaby and Silvestre were dreadful, absolutely dreadul. I would sell them and get as much money possible and buy one bloody good player who can boss the midfield alongside Cesc – and Song could learn so much more from ‘this player’
By: rico01 on April 20, 2009
at 11:01 am
What if that “one good player” got injured though Rico?
Isn’t it a bit knee-jerk to just write off two developing talents and one who was superb against Villareal just a few days earlier?
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 20, 2009
at 11:03 am
Gallas wouldnt have let Drogba through QoS, Silvestre was shocking
By: rico01 on April 20, 2009
at 11:04 am
Gallas let Abonglohor (sp) through earlier in the season though…
Arguably Silvestre is 4th choice Centreback…Drogba eats 4th choice centre backs for breakfast.
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 20, 2009
at 11:06 am
That d happen to any player, we have Ramsey as a Cesc clone, Sog an understudy to a strong midfielder, for me Diaby is crocked and his feet and brain dont work together, Denilson is another Cesc clone, who gets shoved off the ball too easy and doesnt seem to have the killer pass he once showed – i think he has gone backwards. but hey, just one persons view..
By: rico01 on April 20, 2009
at 11:06 am
Sog = Song ….
By: rico01 on April 20, 2009
at 11:06 am
His our third choice CB playing in a FA cup Semi i think that tells you all you need to know…rico…
By: Maria on April 20, 2009
at 11:07 am
QoS, I am on about Saturday, Agb is quicker I think than Drogba, and certainly more agile – but the team had improved a lot since the Villa game and Gallas has got so much better – the way he was playing before his injury, i honestly dont think he would have give Drogba an inch..
By: rico01 on April 20, 2009
at 11:08 am
Maria – it does, he is poo
By: rico01 on April 20, 2009
at 11:09 am
Its like i said earlier, i think sometimes you just have to say when it comes to the crunch £350m worth of talent coming up against a defense that had only played once together before is going to score goals.
We put out a weak back four through neccesity and a very efficient Chelsea team exploited it. I’m not sure what options we had on the bench or in the squad that could have prevented that?
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 20, 2009
at 11:09 am
Maria & QoS, I’m more with you than with rico but I don’t agree with making excuses for not being up for it in a semi-final. We should be outplayed and outfought. Shouldn’t happen.
By: Ole Gunner on April 20, 2009
at 11:09 am
Ole – that is what i am trying to say, that was the day for them all to show their real talent, none of them rose to the challenge, that says a lot to me
By: rico01 on April 20, 2009
at 11:11 am
QofS…..Song was our only possible defender on the bench….
By: Maria on April 20, 2009
at 11:12 am
I don’t understand the point Rico – Gallas wasn’t available to us.
You’re probably right that he may have handled Drogba better than Silvestre did, which would explain why he’s first choice and Silvestre is arguably 4th choice.
But it doesn’t change that he was injured.
A fourth choice player isn’t going to be as good as your best defender.
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 20, 2009
at 11:12 am
Your point is that they didn’t “try” hard enough Ole or that they didn’t have enough talent?
Effort i’d dispute on the grounds that most of our players were dead on their feet.
Talent – I’m not sure one game is a reasonable basis in which to judge talent.
I guess the trick is to manage that talent to peak at the right moment. Maybe Chelsea just did that better than us.
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 20, 2009
at 11:16 am
I know that he wasnt available, and i know he is a better player – what i am saying is that silvestre IS capable of playing better than he did, but he didnt raise his game – Gibbs on the other hand, wasnt 100% fit, very little experience in such a big occassion, took the game by the scruff of the neck and played his heart out…
By: rico01 on April 20, 2009
at 11:17 am
If he’s capable of playing better – why do you want to sell him Rico?
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 20, 2009
at 11:20 am
If he’s capable of playing better – why do you want to sell him Rico?
Also
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 20, 2009
at 11:20 am
If he’s capable of playing better – why do you want to sell him Rico?
Also Gibbs
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 20, 2009
at 11:20 am
If he’s capable of playing better – why do you want to sell him Rico?
Also Gibbs wasn’t
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 20, 2009
at 11:20 am
If he’s capable of playing better – why do you want to sell him Rico?
Also Gibbs wasn’t up
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 20, 2009
at 11:20 am
If he’s capable of playing better – why do you want to sell him Rico?
Also Gibbs wasn’t up against
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 20, 2009
at 11:20 am
If he’s capable of playing better – why do you want to sell him Rico?
Also Gibbs wasn’t up against Drogba
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 20, 2009
at 11:20 am
If he’s capable of playing better – why do you want to sell him Rico?
Also Gibbs wasn’t up against Drogba….
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 20, 2009
at 11:20 am
Wow! That was odd!
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 20, 2009
at 11:21 am
Maria – Song should have been alongside Cesc or Kolo, such a shame
By: rico01 on April 20, 2009
at 11:22 am
Would Song have prevented that goal though Rico?
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 20, 2009
at 11:23 am
QoS – I havent come on for a fight or football lesson about positions – I am well aware thanks that Gibbs wasnt marking Drogba I am referring to a players attitude throughout the game.
Silvestre is capable of playing better, how he didnt. Just because he is capable of playing better, even if he did, IMHO he is not good enough hence the view to talk about selling him.
I would much rather Senderos than Silvestre, however before you tell me, I know he was not available as he is on loan!
By: rico01 on April 20, 2009
at 11:26 am
lol Frank@10:29..
Hope we light up Anfield with some heat tomorrow. Will be tough cause they need to win much more than we do.
The great Arsene Wenger might just line up:
Fabianski
Eboue-Toure-Silvestre-Gibbs
Song
Walcott-Fab4-AA
Nasri-Adebayor
Mannone, Denilson, Diaby, Bendtner, Sagna*/Vela/Clichy*.
Should be fun.
Go ARSENAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RASERS 4 Life
By: Aman on April 20, 2009
at 11:27 am
A slow player who won’t even do the basics despite all his experience is a big liability. Let’s just hope we get Djourou back soon.
By: Ole Gunner on April 20, 2009
at 11:28 am
He didnt play, so I cant tell you that, I do however believe he would have put a lot more effort in to giving it a go!!
By: rico01 on April 20, 2009
at 11:28 am
More hand wringing. Is there a point to all of this?
By: Consolsbob on April 20, 2009
at 11:29 am
Ole – JD is a huge miss, he and Kolo seem ok together at the back.
By: rico01 on April 20, 2009
at 11:31 am
Where is Eddy, Aman? Is he fit? If so, he must be due a start in place of RVP who we understand was carrying a knock on Saturday.
By: Consolsbob on April 20, 2009
at 11:31 am
I wasn’t fighting either Rico.
The point i was making was that sometimes we just have to accept that its also about being up against a very very good player in very good form.
We look to internalise, for “reasons” so much that we miss the obvious. Drogba on this occasion and probably on many others is a better striker than Silvestre is defender.
I’m just glad we don’t play him every week.
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 20, 2009
at 11:32 am
But we gifted him the goal, he didnt have to really do a lot – I could have scored that one
By: rico01 on April 20, 2009
at 11:36 am
He had to get into a position where he had isolated Silvestre with plenty of grass to run into and then he had to shrug off the challenge before rounding the keeper.
I’m happy to suggest that you actually couldn’t have scored that goal!
Drogba has done that to better defenders than Silvestre.
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 20, 2009
at 11:41 am
QoS,
Drogba is a better striker than Silvestre is a defender. But Drogba doesn’t score against even weaker defenders. To be fair, Silvestre is slow and there’s nothing we can do about it given injuries to faster players. I am just incensed with not at least tracking back. Again, to be fair, that guaranteed nothing. But he could even have fould Drogba. That was a choice.
So, yes it’s injuries that cost us. I don’t think Djourou or Gallas would have been beaten for pace like that.
By: Ole Gunner on April 20, 2009
at 11:44 am
Its irrelevant to say Djourou and Gallas wouldn’t have been beaten for pace.
Neither would Usain Bolt but he wasn’t available for selection either, is really my point.
There is a case for a better 4th choice centre back I guess and I personally prefer Senderos but Silvestre brings other things like the ability to cover LB and vast experience that Sendy doesn’t have.
Silvestre has scored a couple of goals this season and was very good against Villareal…he’s not been a disaster by any means.
Plus finding a player happy to sit on the bench but that isn’t going to be overmatched against possibly (on form) the best striker in the Premiership is at best a VERY big ask.
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 20, 2009
at 11:50 am
Ah, well there you go QoS, you never saw me play football!
By: rico01 on April 20, 2009
at 11:51 am
I heard you were all elbows Rico!
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 20, 2009
at 11:53 am
I think that to beat Chelsea with a side assembled for a tiny fraction of the cost that they are, you need several players playing out of their skin.
By very definition “playing out of your skin” indicates out of the ordinairy. Something beyond the expectation.
We never got that Saturday. We hoped we would which is why it was so disappointing for us all.
But expecting “beyond expectation” every week can surely only ever lead to inevitable disappointment.
We have a great side and we were close. First team vs first team, i think 9/10 we’d beat them, but first team vs makeshift back four it was an uphill battle.
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 20, 2009
at 12:00 pm
Your source must be very unreliable then
A little slow maybe as i aged, but all elbows – definately not…
By: rico01 on April 20, 2009
at 12:01 pm
We move on to Liverpool and hope that next time we play Chelsea, we have enough of our first choice back four available to stuff them!
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 20, 2009
at 12:02 pm
…………In Arsene we trust………..
By: Maria on April 20, 2009
at 12:03 pm
Like a young Mark Hughes, it is said.
By: Queen of Suburbia on April 20, 2009
at 12:03 pm
Now I know who your source is…
By: rico01 on April 20, 2009
at 12:04 pm
Hey everyone Yogi has a new post up…..since about 10am…loool….
By: Maria on April 20, 2009
at 12:07 pm