Slightly delayed return following yesterday’s birthday celebrations but back into the swing of things.
It was surprising to realise that Arsenal were in the fourth round of the FA Cup with all of the doom and gloom in the media following Saturday’s 3 – 1 win over Plymouth at The Emirates. It is hard sometimes to fathom exactly what is wanted from the team in matches such as these. No, it was not a vintage Arsenal performance yet, with all due respect to the opposition, Plymouth did not extend the team and the objective surely overrides the events on the pitch? Whilst there is an expectation from us as supporters to be ‘entertained’, is that not secondary in these matches?
There were positives that, for me, override the ‘negative’ image of the match. Individuals showed that they are preparing to step up into the first team in seasons to come. That does not negate the necessity for Wenger to strengthen in the current transfer window nor should it ‘kill’ routes to the first team. If a younger player is better than the current incumbent, they will find their place as Djourou did this season.
Gibbs, for me, was a bright point in the match. There are some weaknesses to be ironed out but he was purposeful in going forward, his distribution perhaps helped by starting his career further forward. Fabianksi had an interesting afternoon, one that marked his style out as different to Almunia. His willingness to come from crosses, despite not always making the best of contacts, is refreshing. Perhaps it is a pity that he is not more experienced for that kind of aggression and willingness to attack the ball in the area may hold the defence together under pressure from high balls.
In midfield, it was very much a mixed bag. For Nasri, he seemed more effective in the centre post the interval. I am not sure whether that was a ‘concious’ decision on his part or simply that Plymouth found it harder to deny him possession. Whatever the cause, the impact was more noticeable, serving to emphasise the point that he is becoming rather rapidly a key player in the side. Ramsey meanwhile had a hit and miss game. His abilities were clear to see but surrenders possession too cheaply at times. It is something that will be cleared up in time and with more experience. As for Diaby and Eboue, it was a match that they will not want to remember. Not for the paucity of their performances – they were average – simply because they did not do themselves justice. Both are capable of better yet they did their jobs quietly. Diaby concentrated more on his defensive duties which robbed him of the surging runs that are a key quality to his game. In this role, it would be easy to compare him to Vieira which if he can balance the two aspects of his game would be an ideal role. Plus he needs to stay injury-free.
Up front, Bendtner flattered to deceive. Speculation at the weekend linked him with West Ham as a makeweight in some idle transfer gossip and to be honest, his performance was the type that would be expected from one of their forwards. It is difficult to reconcile his self-belief with his performance on afternoons such as this. He can make it at Arsenal but he is starting to remind me of Kevin Campbell; lots of ability but question marks emerging over whether he can make it at Arsenal.
He would do well to learn from van Persie, who lead the team well through his effort. Involved in all of the goals and a livewire performance. Criticism of him in the media suggests jealousy on the part of the journalists in question. Jealous that they had limited football ability and the fact that he is determined to defy their proposition that Arsenal cannot win a trophy this season.
A trip to a Cardiff side who are in the upper echelons of the Championship suggests that a strong side will need to be fielded in the next round but it is that phrase which matters – ‘next round’ and Arsenal are there.
’til Tomorrow.























Happy Healthy New Year to all Gooners!
By: anderslimpar on January 5, 2009
at 3:30 pm
Welcome back Yogi, and New Year wishes to you.
It’s good to have your blog back, i have had to make do with less sane blogs for my Arsenal fix in recent days!
I couldn’t agree more with you about Gibbs, he had a great game, and grew with confidence throughout.
He showed himself to be more than capable of making it at Arsenal.
RVP and Nasri also had fine games, Samir could well be the answer to our creative problems with Fabregas and Tomas sidelined.
By: Matt on January 5, 2009
at 3:34 pm
….and here we are…
By: Frank on January 5, 2009
at 3:43 pm
I thought Gibbs was culpable for the goal and could almost gifted them a second.
How dare you write positives about Arsenal?? What is the matter with you!? Arsenal need to buy like 8 players just to get into the UEFA Cup. And then the club will collapse from within, and all the players will be hawked to the Spuds for money to maintain the Emirates. Get off your blinkers_!!??
You sound like Arsene Wenger with all your ‘deluded’ crowing about your team.
By: Ole Gunner on January 5, 2009
at 3:51 pm
quite looking forward to the Cardiff game, hopefully its televised!
Good post Yogi
By: goonblogger on January 5, 2009
at 3:51 pm
YW:
“It was surprising to realise that Arsenal were in the fourth round of the FA Cup…”
Really I had to gather my thoughts for a moment when I saw this headline on timesonline:
“Arsenal heading for trophyless season”
The reason?
they say it’s unlikely that Arsenal win anything this season on the evidence of the display against plymouth FGS!!!
By: ToughCookie on January 5, 2009
at 3:54 pm
Based on The Times’ “Arsenal heading for trophyless season” headline, you may have thought Arsenal lost 3-1.
I really like Nasri in the center, but if he plays there he needs a serious ball winner as his partner in a 4-4-2. I thought he really did well last week in a 4-5-1 after they switched Bendtner to the wing when he wasn’t required to track back much.
By: mnmike on January 5, 2009
at 3:58 pm
Happy New Year YW.
==
I thought Gibbs did great, except for the goal.
I also thought Diaby did good, and maybe he was strictly told to take care of his defensive duties and forget about the attacking part as a training?
I agree Ramsey gave away the ball too easy sometimes, but I like that he is not afraid to shoot and sometimes his shoot is a killer. His is 18 by the way
We did what we need to do, I will give the team credit for that, the beautiful football can come along later.
===
So happy Wilshere signed his first Pro. contract, and it sounds like a long one. Now that’s a good signing, how much did it cost beside the wages?
G4E
By: Gunner4Ever on January 5, 2009
at 4:08 pm
happy new year yogi.. til tommorow?? hhhmmm we shall see!
Surely its time bendtner got shipped out. if he cant turn up against plymouth what chance in the prem? its a shame his footballing skills dont match his ego!
ha ha the sun said man utd had a young team to match ours at the weekend! what with berbatov,carrick,vidic,vds,giggs,neville! pah!
By: dukeGoonem on January 5, 2009
at 4:52 pm
It really is best not to read the papers. it just encourages them.
By: Consolsbob on January 5, 2009
at 5:01 pm
THE HACKS
ed: look boys, I desperately need some stories.
hack1: well ed, how about we print some false rumours about a couple of Arsenal targets
ed: ok
hack1: and then, we write a couple of stories about the tight fisted Arsenal board and the wage structure
ed: ok
hack2: and then boss, we supplement that with some stories about Wenger’s tenure coming to an end if no players are brought in as they are not going to finish in the top 4
ed: ok, and then ?
hack1: to complete the cycle, we then approach the clubs in question and get them to issue denials, and then we can print some more stories about Wenger issuing denials
hack2: lot’s of column inches ed
ed: fantastic – go ahead
By: Muppet on January 5, 2009
at 5:05 pm
Have you got the offices of ‘The Mail’ bugged Muppet?
By: Consolsbob on January 5, 2009
at 5:14 pm
Happy new year ppl, fantastic blog (as always) Yogibear, first signing young Jack today, good stuff! i just wanted to highlight despite all the negativity…arsenal are unbeaten since gallas-gate! thats a nice run of form (8 games i think) & i think the manager & team deserve credit for that! van P was terrific & this is was always going to be a big season for him! come on arsenal
By: Mo on January 5, 2009
at 5:26 pm
Great blog and comments. There seems to be so much negative stuff around the Arsenal sites.
Does anyone know of any other good well written positive sites. This one is by far the best that I have seen.
By: Positive Gooner on January 5, 2009
at 5:34 pm
Disagree with your assesment of Midfield thought Diaby looked really good as did all the other people around me.
By: Samuel on January 5, 2009
at 5:37 pm
Great blog and comments. There seems to be so much negative stuff around the Arsenal sites.
Does anyone know of any other good well written positive sites. Thir one is by far the best that I have seen.
By: Positive Gooner on January 5, 2009
at 5:40 pm
So good you said it twice Positive Gooner. No need to try and impress us.
By: Consolsbob on January 5, 2009
at 5:49 pm
@Positive Gooner:
“Does anyone know of any other good well written positive sites”
I’d recommend goonerholic:
http://www.goonerholic.com.
If you are over 21, you can even have a drink there!
By: ToughCookie on January 5, 2009
at 5:54 pm
Thanks TC, not bad at all from goonerholic. He too was watching the game on this drunk Spanish speaking funny guy’s 15″ TV.
By: Gunner4Ever on January 5, 2009
at 6:13 pm
I used to read five or six Arsenal blogs last season, but now I read only one. The lack of transfers in the summer seems to have driven most of them mad, with Gunnerblog in particular turning into a maniac.
It was interesting that Wenger said he is no longer interested in Gokhan Inler. That, I suppose, is because of the performance of Denilson in central midfield. If that is the case, then we are unlikely to buy anyone else for the same role. Having played well on Saturday with three central midfielders out, that seems a reasonable decision.
By: Poliziano on January 5, 2009
at 6:56 pm
Yes what was that all about G4E with the feed with the mad spanish guy. Luckily I managed to watch it on a better feed after , but sadly after we were 2 – 0 up. Funny how all the negativity is coming from outside the team. Frankly these vultures have been circling all season and cant wait for their moment.
How does the author of the Times article work out his conclusions. If we were bad how bad was Chelsea and how “inconsistent” have they been. You would think with all the millions they have spent they woul be getting slaughtered in the press. Its selective journalism at its best!!!
After watching the game again on Arsenal TV. I doubt whether the guys who write these papers are actually watching these games. So I might be a little bit partisan but I think given how badly we have played at home previously, in phases we played with the conviction and directness of the Arsenal of Old, The team seemed hungry and started the game like they meant to win it. Anyway did the author think Plymouth would just roll over. What a twat he is!What a performance by RVP and Nasri. Tireless running, And Diaby and Eboue and Ramsey (watch out for his guy).
Happy New Year all you Gooners. And thanks to you Yogi as ever for keeping the blog going all year round.
By: Gooner4Life on January 5, 2009
at 6:56 pm
“thought Diaby looked really good as did all the other people around me.”
Me too Samuel – we know he’s not really defensive minded and a lot of people questioned his ability to be disciplined in the middle, but I was really impressed with how he stuck to his task on Saturday. He ventured forward when he could but he also kept to his task and helped the team to keep their shape in the middle.
By: Passenal on January 5, 2009
at 7:01 pm
@ Poliziano
“It was interesting that Wenger said he is no longer interested in Gokhan Inler. That, I suppose, is because of the performance of Denilson in central midfield.”
I think he hasn’t been interested in Inler for a while – some medical issue, I heard.
By: FunGunner on January 5, 2009
at 7:41 pm
Every season in the F.A. Cup we see that lower division teams can play good football at times. Preston put Liverpool under a great deal of pressure in the second half of their match on Saturday. They had a goal disallowed for a blatant foul on Carragher, but the referee failed to see the equally blatant foul by Carragher only moments earlier, which should have given Preston a penalty. I watched tha last half hour of the match between Gillingham and Aston Villa, and there was no difference in the ability of the two sides. They won only through the cheating of Ashley Young.
By: Poliziano on January 5, 2009
at 7:44 pm
@positive gooner
I can also recommend Untold Arsenal
By: FunGunner on January 5, 2009
at 7:45 pm
I’d heard about Inler’s supposed medical problem, but I have never seen it confirmed by a reputable source.
By: Poliziano on January 5, 2009
at 7:48 pm
I haven’t seen Untold Arsenal before, but I’ve just had a quick look, and it seems good. Thank you for that, FunGunner.
Is there any chance that united will go bankrupt?
By: Poliziano on January 5, 2009
at 7:53 pm
Poliziano – good points about the Championship teams. What they lack in top quality talent, they make up for with fit players who are well organised and play to their strengths. I was surprised at how much football Plymouth played, only resorting to the ball over the top late on in the match when they were desperate for an equaliser and realised they were not going to be able to play through Arsenal.
By: Passenal on January 5, 2009
at 8:02 pm
On the subject of the media.. “Plucky Plymouth force Arsenal to dig deep”.
And a tiny few paragraphs below a massive pic of GBH. That was the Times, which is normally ok (relatively), esp. on a monday.
Positive Gooner – if you’re new to blogs, try ‘Le Grove’ and please report back. Just be interested –
– also like ‘holic, once the first 20 bloggers have been witty and asked for drinks.
Arseblogger is still great – esp. the Arsecast – but the posts, which once were quite like ACLF, have become meaningless/unreadable.
Sounding like a YW arselicker, but really like it here; nice blend of serious, funny, obscure… and a little freakiness now and again.
By: Ponyboy on January 5, 2009
at 8:05 pm
@ Poliziano, Passenal
RvP made a similar observation about smaller sides in the FA Cup, Poliziano – he said they give absolutely everything.
By: FunGunner on January 5, 2009
at 8:06 pm
..but that he was ready for it!
By: FunGunner on January 5, 2009
at 8:07 pm
this squad is so much closer to challenging for big honours than most people can see. let’s not forget we have cesc, eduardo, theo, rosicky to all come back.
we would all like to see a michael essien type bolster our midfield. i can appreciate the progress made by denilson, and to a lesser extent diaby – and the promise of ramsey and wilshere is obvious. but it will be a big gamble by arsene if he doesn’t buy in centre mid in this window.
what would liverpool do now if gerrard was out for 3 months, or chelski with lampard ? the cesc hole is as big, if not bigger, than those 2.
i am encouraged that it’s finally been established/confirmed that toure and gallas aren’t a good fit. kolo’s problem seems to have started off as physical (malaria, and he now seems a bit heavy), and now it’s become mental – ie lack of confidence.
gallas needs to go in my opinion, too much baggae there now, a clean break needed.
we need a dominant centre back don’t we – (silvestre’s not for me thank you very much).
my main personnel gripe is bentner. i have a problem with his general attitude (manu game aside, when he was great). and in my eyes he can’t trap a bag of cement.
so if we swapped gallas for a classy and dominant cb, toure gets his health and form back, djourou maintains his progress, then silvestre is ok as a 4th choice cb.
looks like arsene will gamble and not bring in a centre mid until next summer.
i still think arshavin is coming.
so this season is all about gambling on beating villa to 4th spot, consolidating until the summer when it is a better time to buy.
i think we will get 4th spot, a run to at least the last 8 of the champs league, and a decent if not ultimately successful fa cup run. that will do us won’t it ?
then next august we will have this squad a year odler, plus more reinforcements in centre mid, plus arshavin, plus cesc/theo/eddy/rosicky.
that squad wins the prem. arsene is god. end of chat. believe.
By: Matty on January 5, 2009
at 8:09 pm
Matty, I’m re-watching the Plymouth game at the moment on ATV (it’s half-time) and Bendtner is actually doing a lot better than I thought when I watched him in the stadium. He’s not looking like a prolific goal scorer at the moment – perhaps he is trying too hard, but his general link up play is good and he is working hard and closing down the opposition well. I think there is more to come from him and he deserves some more time to show us what he’s got.
By: Passenal on January 5, 2009
at 8:27 pm
KOLO TOURE
we love you man and like kc and the sunshine band said….PLEASE DONT GO!!!!!!
By: dukeGoonem on January 5, 2009
at 8:28 pm
I don’t want to see gallas go. Okay, there is no contest in who the fans favour – however, in terms of performance, I’d go for gallas over toure. There seems to be so many people who think once gallas goes, toure’ll find a form since his problem is mainly mental now. But as much as I love toure, he has been like this for nearly a year now..And the age thing, even though it’s generally thought that CB’s peak at 28-32, in my opinion, it really depends on the playing style. In toure’s case, he is so dependent on pace; so any positional mistake, he used to make up for it with pace.
Anyway,
whatever happens with toure, I wish him the very best, but do hope that toure’s leaving (if he really is leaving) does not pour in more hostility towards gallas.
I miss senderos by the way….Before toure came back from ACN, gallas-sendy paring was rock-solid. When toure came back from acn and was back into the first 11, that was the first and only time I was angry with AW….
(I’m leaving the blog now; can’t face the flak for saying this especially on emply stomach!)
By: ToughCookie on January 5, 2009
at 8:30 pm
Some unusual musical tastes there, duke..
By: Ponyboy on January 5, 2009
at 8:33 pm
Passenal,
ok players do need some time to show what they can do but he has had opportunities. look at eds as soon as you saw him you knew he was class but i dont get that with bendtner, i dont think he has it in his locker to be as good as what we need.i.e ade, van persie or eds. he will never be in their class.
By: dukeGoonem on January 5, 2009
at 8:38 pm
Agree, dukeG – he just isn’t scoring goals, and worse, he’s talked about leaving..so soon after making statements about how much he loves the Arsenal. Somehow, just don’t like him – his sulky, arrogant expressions. His boots..
TC – with you on Billy G ! How many crucial goals has he scored for us, quite apart from some excellent defending; and he didn’t go into a ‘poor me’ about the Captaincy either. Genuinely hope he stays.
Malaria is a nasty disease – apparently you get ‘flashbacks’ of weakness, months later.
By: Ponyboy on January 5, 2009
at 8:52 pm
dukeGoonem, Bendtner is 20 and the 3 players you mention are in their mid 20’s and therefore more experienced and had more time to develop their qualities, so I think it’s unfair to compare them. Also given his recent cameos in midfield, I wouldn’t be surprised if a chance of position was on the cards.
By: Passenal on January 5, 2009
at 8:53 pm
I’m not sure we should write any of our players off, full stop.
I will, however, not complain if they are replaced by significantly better players. Imagine, though, spending £20m on Arshavin only for him to do a Rebrov and letting Diaby go off and become a Barcelona legend!!!
One must admire Wenger’s cojones, surely the biggest in all of football. I pray he is vindicated.
I agree whole-heartedly with the recent poster who pointed out the vile way the media studiously ignore the sporting carbuncle that is Chelsea.
We fans need to stop trying to do Wenger’s job and concentrate on doing our own job of supporting the team better. We can actually do a lot to make this team more effective. It does start with something as simple as encouragement rather than griping.
By: F. Frederick Skitty on January 5, 2009
at 9:08 pm
Gallas is great at finding the ball in the opposition 18 yard box. I’m just not sure why can’t he find a ball the size of the moon in our 18 yard box?
Do you think because scoring goals get you more recognition but defence mistakes can be blamed to the defence line or the team?
Every one says oh Gallas is so great he scores important goals, but his job is to prevent goals not to score them…he certainly let’s in more, than he scores.
Gallas loves himself nothing else. He will go in the summer and the summer is a long wait for me to see the door hitting his ass on the way out.
By: Me, Myself & Gallas on January 5, 2009
at 9:14 pm
edit -chance, +change!
By: Passenal on January 5, 2009
at 9:15 pm
Me, Myself & Gallas,
I take it you have issues with Gallas ?
By: Muppet on January 5, 2009
at 9:20 pm
I would just love to see some consistently world-class defending – from our team. Whether it is Gallas, Toure, Sylvestre really doesn’t matter. I do think Gallas is playing closer to his potential, or at least rediscovering his form quciker than Toure. It’s a shame because I loved Toure, but are there any excuses for him seeming out of shape?
By: F. Frederick Skitty on January 5, 2009
at 9:21 pm
Malaria FFS
By: Muppet on January 5, 2009
at 9:23 pm
@TC – agree. I don’t want either Gallas or Toure to leave, and actually I don’t think Toure is going, not this January anyway.
@dukegoonem, ponyboy
Before we decide that Bendtner won’t make it, let’s remember Theo of 18 months ago and the way he is now. Still not the finished product by any means, but he seemed to suddenly improve, after bumping along at the same level for ages, didn’t he?
Bendtner started very well this season and he’s shown versatility, too. Perhaps he’s still finding out what his best position is. The booing and groaning and stick he gets whenever he touches the ball can’t help, either. To me, he looks like a player short on confidence who is trying too hard – all the talk could be bravado. Lack of confidence can look like “laziness”, cause a player to screw up or be indecisive. Think Eboue.
I know he has the reputation for arrogance, but some people flip between arrogance and insecurity before they achieve genuine self-belief.
@FFS
Wholeheartedly agree.
By: FunGunner on January 5, 2009
at 9:23 pm
@Muppet
In terms of the Muppet Show
Gallas is like Ms. Piggy to Kermit the Frog
By: Me, Myself & Gallas on January 5, 2009
at 9:26 pm
@ FFS – was referring to yr earlier post
@ Muppet
Depends what kind of malaria he got. It’s not neecessarily that debilitating.
By: FunGunner on January 5, 2009
at 9:26 pm
“We fans need to stop trying to do Wenger’s job and concentrate on doing our own job of supporting the team better. We can actually do a lot to make this team more effective. It does start with something as simple as encouragement rather than griping.”
Spot on FFS!
Re the earlier discussion on the end of the last thread about season ticket holders not turning up for matches. The club have noticed as they have an advert on ATV trying to encourage season ticket holders to put their tickets on the ticket exchange, so maybe they would welcome suggestions from fans about how to improve things further?
By: Passenal on January 5, 2009
at 9:29 pm
Passenal: The should play that advert on the big screens before and at half time during home games. No good at the end as half the people have left anyway.
By: Steve on January 5, 2009
at 9:32 pm
Malaria is a horrible disease, I’ve had it several times and, apart from the irreversible brain-damage, I made a full physical recovery.
Many Africans have had malaria,literally dozens of times and almost everybody from West Africa at least a few times. They also know how to diagnose and treat it quickly. If the results were always as drastic, there would be practically no West Africans playing anywhere near their potential.
I just feel there is something else to it and it doesn’t excuse carrying extra weight.
I would love him to recapture his pre ACN form but this is almost a year now. FFS
By: F. Frederick Skitty on January 5, 2009
at 9:32 pm
FunGunner,
Right… an africans themselves might be more immune than we.
Me, Myself & Gallas,
Are you making a serious sporting observation here or are you trying to get everyone to share your prejudices ?
If so, then what is the basis for your criticism ? My own view is that Gallas is an outstanding defender in a back 4 that has not, for whatever reason, operated as a tight unit, and has leaked more goals in the top 4 than counterpoint defences like Liverpool’s, Man U’s and Chelsea’s.
I’m no expert, but there are several factors cited; the style Arsenal play, the need for more height, the lack of a consistent centre back partnership. Toure and Gallas were not bad at some point last season, perversely, the stats showed that Senderos was influential in conceding less goals per game. Whatever the analysis, we are conceding double the amount of goals as others in the top 4, and that isn’t just down to Gallas.
Sorry.
By: Muppet on January 5, 2009
at 9:35 pm
“Passenal: They should play that advert on the big screens before and at half time during home games. No good at the end as half the people have left anyway.”
Good point Steve, the same thought had crossed my mind and I’m surprised they don’t do it already.
By: Passenal on January 5, 2009
at 9:36 pm
There’s something about the ticket exchange in the Arsenal Magazine as well – stressing that using it won’t count against you for fan credits.
I think some “fans” are boycotting the matches. I’ve seen posts to that effect.
By: FunGunner on January 5, 2009
at 9:42 pm
We’ve seen ample evidence this season that Senderos is not the only defender who makes mistakes. He didn’t really make that many, but the ones he did make were given a lot of attention. Many fans, of course, hated Senderos, and that hatred has now been transferred to Gallas. If Senderos had not gone on loan, I believe he would have played a lot of games this season. Wenger was reluctant to play Djourou at the beginning of the season, and I think Senderos could have claimed a permanent place in the team.
Anyway, that didn’t happen – to Djourou’s benefit.
By: Poliziano on January 5, 2009
at 9:44 pm
Boycotting a match after buying a ticket – you don’t get much stupider than that.
By: Poliziano on January 5, 2009
at 9:50 pm
Cheerleaders ? Yeah, know it’s all a bit American etc., but 1) They would be a novelty; 2) we’d be on TV more and 3) they look good.
Sexist in the extreme.. but – well, it’s a new one.
4% of Americans go to games, and presumably sit there and get excited, mainly for the cheerleaders. Could even give them mikes…
By: Ponyboy on January 5, 2009
at 9:55 pm
Would Mike mind if you gave away his cheerleaders?
By: Poliziano on January 5, 2009
at 9:56 pm
I didn’t say it’s down to Gallas, and it’s true Kolo is not at his best either….but you just can’t say Gallas was outstanding…it’s just not true.
By: Me, Myself & Gallas on January 5, 2009
at 9:57 pm
Bendtner.. claiming that own goal.. but hope i’m proven wrong. AW is giving him chance after chance; could be a goal or two sets him on fire.
Think i may be prejudiced against Danes..
By: Ponyboy on January 5, 2009
at 10:01 pm
Me, Myself & Gallas,
That may be fair comment, that Gallas hasn’t been outstanding. On the other hand, who has been oustanding in defence ? Possibly Sagna. The others have all been culpable for lapses in concentration that have led to goals.
Gallas lives in the shadow of Campbell and Adams. If you are not making this comparison, one has to admit that Gallas has been a controversial figure. Some, with strong opinions, will villify Gallas for Birmingham and suspect that he is the cause of a lot of unrest. Who knows ? I suspect that he has said what has needed to be said at times, but he was just the wrong person saying it, with not enough history at Arsenal for the words to carry any gravitas.
I think singling out individuals, unless they are blatantly error prone and clearly off the pace, is not helpful.
By: Muppet on January 5, 2009
at 10:09 pm
Ponyboy – he might as well as David Gray is claiming he didn’t touch the ball and watching on TV earlier, it’s still not conclusive who touched it!
By: Passenal on January 5, 2009
at 10:09 pm
A rare sortie to your site
The idea of advertising the ticket exchange at half time rather than at the end is, I agree, an improvement but the most guilty, corporate level, are already in the bar and don’t get out until the second half is well under way.
I always think that the players must feel really insulted that the fans can’t be bothered to come out and watch the game.
I digress, the ticket exchange is clearly not working as efficiently as it needs to do but, alas, apart from more advertising I cannot think of a way of improving it.
By: London on January 5, 2009
at 10:16 pm
Wealthy supporters have little incentive to sell on their tickets anyway.
By: Poliziano on January 5, 2009
at 10:23 pm
@ Poliziano
“Boycotting a match after buying a ticket – you don’t get much stupider than that.”
Yup! And then they will also moan about the cost of a season ticket.
Cheerleaders would be interesting – how about if the band Blue reformed and performed in scanty costumes? Not to any of their own “hits” obviously – they’d have to dance to proper music.
By: FunGunner on January 5, 2009
at 10:24 pm
Singling Gallas out would need me to say he’s the only problem we have, but if you read my post you will know that i was discussing Gallas as a figure and as individual…don’t get fooled by him scoring goals, if it didn’t serve him well, he wouldn’t be scoring them. I would love if he concentrate on defending and let others score…I bet he wouldn’t agree to that….how can he be away from the limelight? Yeah he scores a goal, and gives away a stupid penalty to make up for it. His goal against Portsmouth was just as crucial as the stupid penalty he gave away at villa.
By: Me, Myself & Gallas on January 5, 2009
at 10:32 pm
i’d say let him go in the summer we won’t be losing much.
gallas or flamster?
if it was me i’d give flamster gallas wages and asked him to stay…both are greedy, at least flamster would of been more benificial
By: Me, Myself & Gallas on January 5, 2009
at 10:37 pm
Gallas made a mistake at Villa, just as you did with that last post, MM&G.
By: Poliziano on January 5, 2009
at 10:39 pm
Two mistakes in five minutes. See how easy it is!
By: Poliziano on January 5, 2009
at 10:40 pm
my mistakes doesn’t lose us points
By: Me, Myself & Gallas on January 5, 2009
at 10:40 pm
That’s not the point.
By: Poliziano on January 5, 2009
at 10:42 pm
I would say to MM&G
Viva Gallas…..until he leaves. I don’t like him too, but he is there and we should get our money worth of him. That’s all, plain & simple.
By: Gunner4Ever on January 5, 2009
at 10:44 pm
i know what you syaing… he’s human..we all make mistakes…right? Let me tell you something, when you get paid 80k/week you should make less mistakes…Or i should be playing in his place for free and make the same mistakes…we all human right?
By: Me, Myself & Gallas on January 5, 2009
at 10:48 pm
Happy New Year all, its been awhile!
I’m slighlty confused about the positivity on this blog. Forget the papers we can be reasonably assured that most of that is bulls**t, fair enough, but surely the evidence we see on the football pitches around England tell their own story when the once impressive Arsenal are playing?
This is not a team close to challenging for honours and I’m not trying to be majorly negative but the evidence is right in front of us, we are simply not good enough.
To say that really saddens me because I love the gunners and also am a huge fan of Wenger so I’m not interested in Wenger-bashing, but neither am I going to wax lyrical about him when he’s obviously got it wrong this year, and its not just about transfers, its about team selections too.
The problem is not going to be fixed by injured players returning, to say that is true is foolish. We’ve had injured players for years and repeatedly the lack of depth in our squad has been exposed, as it is again this year.
I realise that its not all Wenger’s fault, the board has some questions to answer too, but unfortunately for him, he is the public face of the club and as such will come in for the most criticism.
One thing he must stop doing is treating the fans like they’re imbeciles, I really am fed up with his lines about how well the team played when they patently did not (Villa game for example),
Here ends my rant, and I sincerely hope we have a fantastic 09!
By: AussieGunna on January 5, 2009
at 10:49 pm
http://www.arsenal-world.co.uk/news/loadnews.asp?cid=TMNW&id=425635
Red Action looking for ideas to improve the atmosphere
By: Passenal on January 5, 2009
at 10:50 pm
Maybe, but still your name is not William Gallas and you’re not French
You sound like a low cost lame movie.
By: Gunner4Ever on January 5, 2009
at 10:51 pm
Re. the ticket exchange. When I can’t get to games I put mine up for sale on there – the service is very efficient and I can recommend it.
Passenal – your comments re Bendtner v plymouth are well taken, i also watched some of the game on arse tv tonight and agree he did better than i felt when i saw it live in the stadium. he also didn’t do bad at right mid when he swapped positions with nasri after 30 mins against portsmouth. i guess it’s the boots and the body language that sway me. probably unfair.
have to agree with the comments re arsene and the biggest gonads in football, if he doesn’t splash the cash in jan and still pulls the season round then he really is the master.
i for one ain’t gonna criticise him, he has given me too many great times over the years to even consider that.
By: Matty on January 5, 2009
at 10:53 pm
suprise bloody suprise , hleb is having a moan up at barca! the fool! did he really think life was gunner get better after playin for the greatest team on earth!!!
By: dukeGoonem on January 5, 2009
at 11:07 pm
AussieGunner,
I’m surprised by your post. You are australian. Amongst the most positive people in the world. The english on the other hand, can be the most negative, so I guess you may find it a little strange that there are a lot of positive comments on this blog.
Other blogs, one in particular, actually do not allow positive comments on their site, and delete posts that they feel don’t toe the line with their thinking, which is somewhat aligned with your own.
The problem with your arguments is your expectation level. I’m not saying you have a problem; just that the basis of your argument is that we should expect to be as successful as Chelsea and Manchester United. I don’t know how old you are, and I’m not going to reveal my age, but put it this way, I was a teenager growing up in the Terry Neil era, and watching Arsenal have some good domestic success under George Graham, with some moderate european success winning the cup winners cup in 1994.
Now, at this point, at the height of George Graham’s reign, we were not a top 10 european club. Argue all you like, but we were not in the same league as Liverpool, Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Juventus etc etc… we were simply not a top tier european cup. Our forays into european (champions) level footbal wer embarassing. We were technically outclassed, and I remembed us being outplayed by Benfica to lose 3-1.
Now, along comes Wenger. We have finished in champions league qualification every year since his arrival, but more importantly, we have gone up a level. Your demand is probably that we should be competitive in this league, but on the CL standings, we are competing with the number 1 and 2 clubs in europe. At the moment, we are not there, and a good part of the reason for that is money. Abramovich has spent £584 million since he arrived at Chelsea. Manchester United have spent at least £200 million in the last 5 years on players. If you asking us to match that, then you are asking for debt.
Now, you can gripe about the odd thing here and there. Maybe you don’t like Song. Denilson is too young. Maybe the defence is not tight enough. But overall, the club is in good shape. There are some superb youngsters, and there is a hope that with some minor changes, the team will be competitive for the CL and premiership soon.
By: Muppet on January 5, 2009
at 11:08 pm
Well said Muppet!
By: Passenal on January 5, 2009
at 11:14 pm
and remember aussiegunner we were in a title race last season!!
By: dukeGoonem on January 5, 2009
at 11:14 pm
Frank is not around, But Muppet:
You are a Star
By: Gunner4Ever on January 5, 2009
at 11:18 pm
Haha fair enough Muppet, thats true enough about the aussie battlers!
The reason I love this blog is ’cause its not so negative all the time (although not sure I can handle the ashes this year!)
I’m not suggesting that the team needs a major overhaul, the only player I really don’t rate in this current squad is Song and I think its safe to see why! I do think however, that if there was ever a time to get the cheque book out this is it! In terms of where Wenger has brought us, absolutely correct, the thing I’m worried about is falling backwards again. I’ve grown to quite enjoy watching the Arsenal on Europe’s biggest stage and it wouldn’t be wrong for me to say that for the first time in recent memory I’m really worried that we’ll miss out on 4th, along with the requisite summer rumours of every man and his dog leaving Arsenal for Champion’s League football next season.
Thanks for the perspective you’ve added, I’ll go back to being my upbeat self! On another note, I’ve had the privilege of travelling to Europe relatively frequently and when I do I usually manage to get to the Emirates for a game, and I must say that every time I go I really enjoy the matchday experience.
By: AussieGunna on January 5, 2009
at 11:19 pm
AussieGunner,
Don’t mention the cricket !! Although you guys are maybe under pressure a little from SA.. ha ha.
The only thing I can say about Song is that against Liverpool he was very very good. Sure, he’s no Makelele or Dunga, but who knows ? He’s been accused of everything including not being able to pass, yet I saw him teeing up Eduardo for the winner in a carling cup tie last year against Blackburn. The trouble is that a bandwagon forms, and it’s sometimes difficult to accept that some players don’t do much but simply receive the ball and square it, or knock it forward a bit. Deschamps as the biggest example of this and he got over 100 caps for France.
I’m not saying everything is rosy, but when criticisms are made, they are usually of the form like.. ‘Song is ***t’. But nobody actually points out why, or what he isn’t doing. Against Liverpool I thought he and denilson made Alonso and Gerrard look anonymous with their positional play. Still, maybe song won’t cut it in the long run, but I still think he has some more development to come.
By: Muppet on January 5, 2009
at 11:34 pm
TOURE CLEARS OUT LOCKER SHOCKER!!!!!
It’s ok – a “source” has told me that he was just doing some spring cleaning as things had gotten overcrowded in there. Two young Brazilian prodigies who Arsene signed but had forgotten about were found lodging as squatters behind some old boots….. they should be in contention for the Cardiff FA Cup tie
By: alanG on January 6, 2009
at 12:23 am
Yes Muppet – the Club is in good shape and I feel positive generally and feel that Wengers decision making seems predicated on him staying longer than 2011 – to see his youth project bear fruit
On your comment:
“I’m not saying everything is rosy, but when criticisms are made, they are usually of the form like.. ‘Song is ***t’. But nobody actually points out why, or what he isn’t doing”
Well how about (as midfielder):
He is slow, languid and jogs about
He lacks positional sense
He lacks a sense of danger developing and being there to snuff it out
He does not bite into tackles cleanly (he obstructs players and then holds his arsms up in an I’m innocent gesture
He has no creative talent – Arsenal as a team cannot afford to have even a defensive midfielder who cannot at least have an adequate passing range
I actually think he has shown some better signs at CB
I hope that he will improve but how long will we have to wait
I know that a lot of the above come with experience
and I would be happy for a start if he just put some fire up his ar*e
By: alanG on January 6, 2009
at 12:35 am
He is slow, languid and jogs about
- lot’s of players seem slow and languid. A central midfielder covers about 7 to 8 miles a game. Flamini and Vieria made lung busting runs, but who else is in the PL does ? When Diaby broke through against Villa last week he was followed, slow and languidly by 2 villa players, who watched him put the ball in the net. In passages of play one can’t expect players to sprint everywhere all the time.
He lacks positional sense
- Well. Against Liverpool he was pretty good.
He lacks a sense of danger developing and being there to snuff it out.
- Experience ?
He does not bite into tackles cleanly (he obstructs players and then holds his arsms up in an I’m innocent gesture
- So did Makelele. Do you want a player to make a guilty gesture to invite a yellow card ?
He has no creative talent – Arsenal as a team cannot afford to have even a defensive midfielder who cannot at least have an adequate passing range
- Songs stats show that his passing is in the high 80s. I saw him line up an assist against Blackburn. I’m not sure what extent of creative talent you want ? Are you expecting an out and out DM or something in between. If we can’t afford an out and out DM, but you want some assists then I guess we play Denilson.
By: Muppet on January 6, 2009
at 1:04 am
Hi alanG & muppet
I think Song is at his best as a CB anyway. AW says he hasn’t really got the engine of a CM, so perhaps he paces himself a bit more? And remember he is a squad player, a utility defender/midfielder.
He has a lot to learn, but for me one of the qualities Song has right now is a will to win. Seriously, if you see him playing for Cameroon, and in the Carling Cup last year against Blackburn, there was a fire about him. Whether it entered via his nether regions I have no idea, but it was there. He virtually drove his team to the semifinal.
By: FunGunner on January 6, 2009
at 1:30 am
..semifinal of the ACN, I mean.
By: FunGunner on January 6, 2009
at 1:31 am
Well said Muppet, could not agree more. I personally am so fed up with negative comments that it caused me to stop writing. I felt like the little boy with his finger in the dam wall. Arsenal are a great side and will if given the time once again reach heights we have not seen since the 1930’s. We have a set of youngsters that will set this league on fire. when you consider our injury lists etc it is a wonder we are as high up in the league as we are. We are still in contention for the CL cup The FA cup and an outside dark horse to win the league. If this was a horse race i would have a each way bet on us in the league. It is hard not to have more silver ware but half the fun of winning it is the climb to the top. I love our team and always will no matter where they are.
By: Old Timer on January 6, 2009
at 3:47 am
FunGunner (9:23) :”some people flip between arrogance and insecurity before they achieve genuine self-belief.”
That’s a beautiful and tidy bit of wisdom there!
By: California Gooner on January 6, 2009
at 7:06 am
OldTimer said :
I love our team and always will no matter where they are.
That is exactly what is missing from le gr@ve spawned Arsenal “fans”. Media will stir sh!t that is their job, they cant help it but we as fans can choose to either believe/analyze what we see in the matches or blindly believe whatever is being said by the D&G brigade.
Also if you watch any Arsenal video in youtube just follow the comments and check the LeGr@ve D&G brainwashed teen comments :
1. was such a LEGEND; sure i miss those good ol days; he was such a LEGEND.[most of them were being breast fed when the video was done]
2.I dont rate ; i dont want him at Arsenal. [yeah right scouting team asked for your opinion about the player]
By: footieFAN on January 6, 2009
at 7:07 am
Hi All
Aussie Gunner has the right to state his very well reasoned opinion which we are free to disagree.
AW has finally came out to say after 20 games into teh season that Toure and Gallas does not combine well. May be he knows this long ago but is willing to give it more time.
But that experiment has cost us points this season and perhaps last years EPL position or even the title.
It was patently obvious to many we needed some thing else for eg perhaps Djourou or better to complement either Gallas or Toure.
It irks me a bit that he did not do anything about it earlier this season when Djourou was injured and he was slow to put Djourou on when he was fit. I know AW sees Djourou in training and everything else but we had a season ahead of us after coming so close the last, sure a bit of ambition is not amiss here ie buying an complementary CB to either Gallas or Toure? Sylvester did not work.
Now this season we have leaked goals and can not hold on to 2 goals lead. I know this is AW we are talking about but the decision making puzzles even the best of us and I am a huge fan of his.
Do not get me wrong , I still think this team can eventually make it but meanwhile we may have to settle for the FA cup or the CL. The EPL while possible needs every one else to falter while possibe may not be probable.
Brgds
David Wong
By: Malaysiangunner on January 6, 2009
at 8:48 am
I think you are all stars…get your comments and ideas about improving support in to the club, AST and RedAction…and keep doing it until you start to see a difference. Tell everything that walks your thoughts and ideas. When you can, get onto the press sites and comment on their articles….do it…because the doomers have been doing it for a long….get onto to phone-ins….because the doomers do…most of all keep the positive blogsites alive and interesting…up their hit rates and the number of comments….make them look as good as they are….
And last but not least lets see if we can get that f***ing clock back up at the Clockend…working on that…but please lobby the club
btw anyone at games…make the early leavers know what you think of them…and if you have a season ticket and one of your neighbours persistently does not turn up….speak to them about it…make them feel like the toads they are…
ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL
By: Frank on January 6, 2009
at 8:52 am
MalaysiaGunner…there is a time and place…please get behind the team…we are trying to sort out a crisis in support here…
By: Frank on January 6, 2009
at 8:54 am
“Aussie Gunner has the right to state his very well reasoned opinion which we are free to disagree.”
Thanks for the reminder, Malaysiangunner.
Any idea why you said that?
By: Poliziano on January 6, 2009
at 9:09 am
Passenal is in fact a superstar……
For those going to the Bolton game on Saturday….RedAction would like people to turn up to their meeting upstairs in the Rocket from 13.00 – 14.00…the idea is to have people put forward their ideas for improving the atmosphere at the gound on matchdays….GREAT STUFF….if you are going to the game please try to get to the Rocket…if not get your ideas onto this site or Arsenal World or RedAction and someone will try to put them forward………I will be going to the meeting.
This is great …we can really start to get something going now…lets not lose the opportunity…..
ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL
By: Frank on January 6, 2009
at 9:16 am
I’ve never been able to get a ticket through ticket exchange. I’m not sure if there isn’t much available or if they get snapped up really quickly.
@Frank 8:52 – In every walk of life the negative minority always seem to be have a stronger, louder voice. It’s about time we spread some positivity out there.
It’s sad to see doom mongers given a free reign to spread their tales of woe.
By: wengerball on January 6, 2009
at 9:34 am
Could you give a demonstrations of the use of arse whistles?
By: Poliziano on January 6, 2009
at 9:37 am
OK Wengerball, lets see if we can find out and get you into some games…write to the club on their website…use the complaints option…ask them if the scheme is actually working…I will do the same…lets get them to respond to us…..
By: Frank on January 6, 2009
at 9:37 am
…why not….although the prototype pasta ones have not been a success…go all floppy after a few minutes and no noise comes out…have to use a Turkish original I reckon…
By: Frank on January 6, 2009
at 9:39 am
Btw everyone…if a seat near you is continually or regularly empty and you are unable to have a word with the owner…….complain to the club….
By: Frank on January 6, 2009
at 9:41 am
Yes yes Frank, that’s the spirit! I’ll see what I can do.
I was just thinking this morning, when Arsene Wenger said that this Arsenal side were “on the verge of league domination”, it seemed that many people, including many of our own fans, chose to laugh out loud at the suggestion.
But hold on… let’s re-evaluate that statement for a second. Look at this list of players below and tell me, as an Arsenal fan, if you can’t feel an immense sense of pride at the sheer amount of talent and class which lies in the squad:
Samir Nasri
Cesc Fabregas
Theo Walcott
Eduardo Da Silva
Bacary Sagna
Emmanuel Adebayor
Tomas Rosicky
Robin van Persie
Gael Clichy
Now those are all world class players who in my opinion, could play in any top team in the world (bar Rosicky, if he wasn’t quite so broken half the time).
But then… look at our amazing up and comers:
Carlos Vela
Denilson
Abou Diaby
Aaron Ramsey
Johan Djourou
Alexandre Song
Amaury Bischoff
Jack Wilshere
And tell me WHAT OTHER CLUB ON THIS PLANET has this kind of incredible talent coming through the ranks at stampede pace? None, and yet this is only the tip of the iceberg.
So as everyone is aware, the only problem is a void in defense and the need for an extra midfielder. Djourou is class but Kolo seems past his prime, Gallas is a good player but a bit of a prick. Silvestre is just, well, Silvestre. This is hardly some kind of emergency, squad-wise. So if we were to get in Mathew Upson (i’d love to see him return back to the Arsenal) and Arshavin as all the reports suggest, then tell me how you could not look at this list and feel that with these players, we can do incredible things:
Samir Nasri
Cesc Fabregas
Theo Walcott
Mathew Upson
Abou Diaby
Eduardo Da Silva
Bacary Sagna
Aaron Ramsey
Emmanuel Adebayor
Andrei Arshavin
Denilson
Jack Wilshere
Johan Djourou
Tomas Rosicky
Robin van Persie
Carlos Vela
Alexandre Song
Gael Clichy
JUST LOOK AT IT! Would you trade that for any other side in the world at the moment? Not me.
Now I know a lot of people here will be reading this and thinking “I knew this already, why is this broken record telling me what I already know?”, but I just kinda woke up this morning and felt that I should really be taking more pride in the players regardless of some of our recent results, and I know that there’s a LOT of non-believers out there. I read comments on blogs slagging off our team like we’re some group of two-bob amateurs, yet then I run my eyes down the list above and I see some kind of incredible explosion of football genius just waiting to blow everyone away. So for all of those non-believers out there, with your help and your belief, this team can and will go on to dominate the league. You just have to wake up and see it, vision it!!
By: Blackstock on January 6, 2009
at 9:45 am
What a star you are, Blackstock
By: Frank on January 6, 2009
at 9:51 am
Excellent stock-taking.
By: Poliziano on January 6, 2009
at 9:59 am
aristockcratic
By: Muppet on January 6, 2009
at 10:04 am
Well said Blackstock!
IMO just one season with hardly any serious injuries where it hurts, is all it would take for us to get there.
Battle-hardening is what our players need and they can’t get that if they are not given time. The amount of time, by the way, cannot be decided from our seats, armchairs and keyboards. Booing and calling for players to be sold is quite breath-taking in its ignorance and counter-productiveness.FFS!
By: F. Frederick Skitty on January 6, 2009
at 10:05 am
Is “counter-productiveness” a word?
By: F. Frederick Skitty on January 6, 2009
at 10:08 am
OK everyone…YW has posted again…let us not forget the threads of this discussion though…..we need to improve our visible support…matchday…blogsite etc etc…..don’t forget the Rocket at 13.00 on Saturday….
By: Frank on January 6, 2009
at 10:27 am
Arsenal just needs to sharpen up really, they badly need Rosicky back passing upward as they have no offensive midfielder like him and badly need him
By: free bet on January 6, 2009
at 10:58 pm