Posted by: Yogi's Warrior | January 2, 2009

Xmas Catch-Up, PHW & Plymouth

Christmas Catch Up

So I hope that you have all had a good Christmas and New Year. The kids have discovered Daddy’s competitive edge on the Wii to the extent that they are now practising hard at Wii Sports. The connection problems suffered whilst we are away seem to have been solved although for how long is anyone’s guess.

It has been a mixed holiday period on the pitch. Before the two matches, Arsene would probably have settled for four points. Looking back, I have little doubt that he will be feeling it should have been six but quite easily could have been one. The visit to Villa Park was a match hard to digest. The hosts quite rightly felt that they should have been over the hill and far away before Denilson robbed Reo-Coker and finished coolly. When Diaby gave a tantalising glimpse of his capabilities for the second, an unlikely win seemed possible.

As it was, sloppy defending caused two points to disappear. Having seen Gallas’ tackle several times, there is little doubt that it was a penalty. It seemed a cheap foul to commit; I cannot shake the feeling that he could have stayed on his feet and perhaps had a better angle for the tackle as Agbonlahor made in from the byeline. The problem is that the comfort of your armchair makes such analysis somewhat easier than the heat of the moment. The equaliser though was a very poor goal to concede. Sloppy marking on Davies gave him a “routine” finish. Not much more can be said that will assuage the disappointment of the result but relief that the woodwork prevented a defeat overrode that feeling. Perhaps luck is turning on the pitch?

Portsmouth was hard work. Stringing five across the midfield has long been believed by visiting managers as a route to getting a point or more at The Emirates. Tony Adams men worked hard and had Crouch been a few inches goalside, they might have taken an unlikely point. However, David James served up reminders of why his nickname was “Calamity” some years ago.

Overall, neither match served any notice that form is on a tangible improvement. However, those who were missing indicate that the resolution from the players that Arsene has demanded is more prevalent. Arsenal, it seems, can win ugly or at least not get beaten easily when key players are missing or off-form.

Peter Hill-Wood Speaks

The transfer window has opened with many column inches devoted to Given, Arteta or Arshavin, as well as a few others. The manager has indicated that there will not be “early arrivals” at the club which suggests it might be a long month indeed. There is little doubt that the squad needs strengthening. The departure of Toure was poo-pooed by Lord Peter yet the speculation about the futures of the Ivorian and that of Gallas continues apace in the back pages. It would be something of a surprise to see either, or certainly both, depart this transfer window. To lose both centre backs would deplete the squad and be too much to expect new players to come in without a negative impact on the team.

On the subject of incoming deals, Hill-Wood has been commenting about the possibility of new signings:

we are not going to rush out and spend fortunes on people who won’t help us achieve anything better than where we are at the moment. Arsene has a lot of young, talented players at the club and I think he will probably give a chance to one or two of them

In itself, there is little new in Hill-Wood’s words. They represent a re-affirmation from the Chairman in the squad. More to the point, they repeat the mantra from last summer, give youth a chance. In terms of a half-term report, they would get something along the lines of a B- / C, sitting three points outside of the top four but double digits behind the leaders. The Champions League is progressing nicely with a decent draw in the second round. Yet it could be a lot better. The killer phrase of ‘the potential is there but needs more application‘ would no doubt be scrawled in the headmaster’s comments.

Where Hill-Wood is not so certain is the spending that is needed to take the team to the next level, especially in light of the long-term absences of Fabregas, Rosicky and Walcott:

One has got to look ahead – in the future there is probably not going to be much more money coming in. We have got money, but I am not sure we are going to spend it. We’ve got to continue to run the business in a sensible way

It is a mixed message being sent, seemingly directly contradicting the opinions of Danny Fiszman that money is available. Yet Hill-Wood in some respects is not doing so. All he is effectively saying is that Arsene can spend but (a) will not pay over the odds – perhaps a shot across certain Russian bows – and (b) deals are being negotiated in the background but Arsene is somewhat particular about those whom he signs so no guarantees. What he is not saying is that there is no money for transfers available.

Plymouth Preview

Plymouth pitch up at The Emirates as the increasingly irrelevant FA Cup takes on media importance. That it has been of welcome distraction to the rest of the football family for months matters not one jot to the back pages – now the Premier League is involved it matters.

Did I say the competition was irrelevant? Well, that might be the case if you are top of the Premier League but to Arsenal in fifth place, it represents the best chance of domestic silverware. The Premier League is not out of reach but with four teams required to drop a lot of points between them, it seems harder to believe that particular trophy will return to The Emirates this season. It can be done but the fates must smile kindly on the club, something they have not done so far this season in any great quantity.

Plymouth pitch up, hoping to avoid a repeat of their last visit to Arsenal in the FA Cup. What side they will face is open to some conjecture. There appears little chance that it will be a Carling Cup team with Hoyte and Simpson off on loan. Yet there is a chance for some experimentation of Arsene’s part. Certainly, there is a chance to give Toure some match time, ensuring he is not totally rusty if called upon in the near future. An outing for any other fledgling defenders seems unlikely unless Gibbs is given a chance on the left to rest Clichy.

In midfield I would not expect many changes either. Perhaps Diaby will be retain his place but some more width through Merida on the left with Nasri on the right might work. Denilson is deserving of a rest having played a considerable percentage of the season yet in Fabregas’ absence he is a pivotal member of the team. With a goal and an assist in the last two games, is it worth the risk of not including him?

Up front, I would expect Vela and Bendtner to take on the striking duties with van Persie and Adebayor on the bench. The crucial thing with the match is to win with minimal effort as two physical Premier League encounters await in the coming weeks with the visit of Bolton and the visit to the KC Stadium. Enjoy the match wherever you are watching it.

Back on Monday with a catch-up on the Plymouth game as tomorrow is Mummy YW’s birthday.

’til Then.


Responses

  1. Hope your Christmas and New Years was good Yogi.

    Wenger’s comments regarding Arshavin indicates that we are certainly having talks with the player or club. If it does go through, it will be interesting to know the figure attached.

  2. Happy new year YW – great to have you back. Let the run in begin, I for one am looking forward to it.

  3. Great to have you back Yogi!!
    Happy new year from norway :-)

  4. Happy New Year Yogi’s W

    I hope 2009 will be a great year for the Gunners.

  5. i agree arsenalvision.
    arshavin is the ONE i think.

  6. I love arsenal but i hate the emirates.

  7. Good catch ArsenalVision,

    Wenger said “There is no progress on Arshavin” which means there is talks, but he said “We didn’t make any inquiry about Arteta”.

  8. I’ve looked at that challenge by Gallas and it could have ruined a young player’s Arsenal career. He was only thinking of himself when he did it…and didn’t want to be humiliated a second time by Agbonlahor.

    But Agbonlahor did foul him first, and knock him off his stride. After that Gallas is falling to the ground and sticks his foot out. It’s his left leg that DOES make contact with Agbonlahor, who goes down happily. Gallas actually touches the ball. Gallas makes it look unquivocal by raising his left leg. Agbonlahor seals the deal with a little dive and shout.

    If it was a penalty (and it can be given since Gallas made accidental contact), why wasn’t Gallas booked?

    Young Gabby has developed Kevin Davies’s & Drogba’s knack for getting free kicks for fouls he commits. And that’s a skill all in itself….something our own Eduardo knows how to do as well, but doesn’t have the physique to profit from it.

  9. Interesting, Ole Gunner. Good spot.

    I wonder how Toure will react to having his transfer request refused?

  10. Fulhams Hangeland is a great monster who can fill the adams, sol role. I hope Wenger will buy him before he gets too expensive :-)

  11. Toure should be patient, Gallas won’t be there forever. In fact he has to be sold in the summer to get something from his sale instead of leaving for free.

    Every one is saying Toure dropped in form, yes he did but it was only mentally not physically and I can understand that.

    He always gave the club %100, then someone comes in and took the spot light from him “undeservedly”….there is no other explanation.

  12. Turning down Toure’s transfer request is a strange one. He only has 18 months left on his contract – I thought that the new rules mean that he can buy out the remainder of his contract and go on a free. This was cited as the reason why we let Hleb go so easily – better to get some money thatn nothing at all.

    I really wish we could get some sign of the real intent regarding transfers. Wenger and PHW have been playing down our finances recently, I assume this is to stop clubs inflating the prices of any players we approach which is fine. What worries me is that it is not targeted towards other clubs / agents etc but towards our own fans to dampen expectations.

    If we fail to qualify for the CL then we wil really see financial problems.

  13. If the transfer request from Toure was completely unexpected, then I think the club was right to turn it down. This shows Toure that he is still wanted, and also provides an opportunity to solve any problems that might exist in the background.

    In addition, unless we have a replacement lined up, we can’t allow a central defender to leave at the moment.

  14. I thought Toure has 2 & a half years left on his contract??

  15. I could be wrong about the time left on his contract but I believe under the new rules you can buy your contract once there is under 3 years left. If he were to look to buy out his contract a years difference won’t stop him.

  16. I thought it had something to do with the player’s age as well? The player must be 28 or something like that? He will be 28 in March.

    Who knows? I just don’t want him to leave…regardless.

  17. Good point about his age. I don’t want him to leave but we might not be able to stop it.

  18. Does any know how Theo is getting on? The original forecast was for him to return in Jan if my memory serves me correctly.

  19. No, I think it was February.

  20. What an excellent Press Conference from AW….clear and unequivocal.

  21. Arsebogger sums it up well ; Kolo wants ‘out’, and who better to blame than Billly ?
    If he moves ti Italy or Spain, it’s all bollocks – but don’t feel so bothered if he really wants to go…
    $14 ? Kolo….you are a legend…but;
    adios ?

  22. btw: heard Arahamobitch lost $12 billion….but apparently it’s just ‘paper money ‘…
    Howver, if he gets bored of the chavs, they will be in serious debt… oh, yes!!!!

  23. Ponyboy – There was an article I read a couple of days ago claiming that Abramavich either has to sell his yacht or Chelsea. I’m not sure what “paper money” means but most of these very wealthy guys money is tied up in assets.

  24. If his wealth was estimated at 22 billions, surly losing 12 of that is not paper-money.

  25. I thought his wealth had previously been estimated at £11 – 13 billion, hence the cashflow problems!

  26. I don’t really know for sure, but certainly 12 billion is not paper-money….at least, to poor me :)

    Maybe Ponyboy is an unlisted billionaire and that figure is a paper-money to him?

  27. Hadn’t thought of that – be nice to him we might get on his good side!

  28. Well, the good news is – if he gets all patriotic, Chavski will be in massive debt.. paper mpney/roubles/ gold… RA is gonna have to make a choice !!
    Good to have an economics prof. at the helm.. :-)

  29. Ponyboy – Sorry but “If he gets all patriotic”. I don’t see where being patriotic comes into it?

  30. You’re right Ponyboy…I hope people who called him stingy and all that…can realize now how much foresight this man had, and still has.

  31. Gunner4Ever – Who are you refering to?

  32. Ignore that I’m just being slow!

  33. Hello too all

    wish you ha ppy new year..especially to our club

    on tranfers..arshavin is not coming..i expect may be one midfielder to join..mostly unguessed by anyone…

    i thk we shud offload gallas if possible..cant see him perform at his best after what all happened with him..may be a decent replacement shud be brouight..i wud welcome distin..

    rest not much action from arsene..only one addition..i guess

  34. Why all the media noise from PHW & Wenger again?

    It makes me despair

    Quietly, quietly…….. we gets our mouse

    It seems to me that they are talking through the media to Zenit – we are only poor old steptoe and son with our arses hanging out of our trousers….gives us Arshavin for £12m and we’ll be off then…

  35. If a club agrees a fee for Given at say 10m then I think Wenger will also match it. It’s good value. The only problem is if City are interested the fee will go to 15m and big wages and we will not enter the fray

    Arteta – I could take him or leave him. That might be a buy that would block youngsters

  36. @ alanG –
    Media noise? PHW and AW were both responding unequivocally to direct questions by journalists. That’s fair enough, isn’t it?
    Has AW said anything to make you believe he is looking for a new goalkeeper anyway? Surely our priorities are midfielders, with Fab and Rosicky and Walcott injured. That’s who Arsene said he was looking for – a creative midfielder and “eventually” another one.

  37. Random question..

    Does anyone know how to convert a php feed into xml?

    Thanks

  38. Really looking forward to tomorrow’s game…..something magical about FA Cup afternoons…..I am sure Lukascz Fabianski,Carlos Vela, Aaron Ramsey and Jack Wilshere will get a game…hope Mark Randall gets a look in….great player in the making imho…..

    clickclickclick…clickclickclick…..clickclickclick…clickclickclick…lalalalalalaaaaaah….lalalalalaaaah..lalala……here we go….

    “The pride of north London. Forever and ever…..
    The red and white army. Marching together…..
    We’ll fight for the cannon. Proud of our history…..
    Always remember our home is Highbury…..
    Arsenal Arsenal! Arsenal Arsenal…..
    Arsenal Arsenal! Arsenal Arsenal…..

    …a great day to be a gooner

  39. arsenalvision,
    The file extension shouldn’t make any difference to the content of the feed.

  40. It makes a difference to the program it opens with. If you don’t have the program, it wouldn’t open.

    You can save the link to your hard drive, then change the extention to XML

    I think :)

  41. PHW says we have money but wont be spending a lot of it

    So how are we going to get the quality players in we need. Arteta,Given and Arshavin would cost £30m plus and there is no chance we will spend that much.

    By the way Man Utd bought 2 players for £16m today we are miles behind them

    News years predicition 5th place finish

  42. I think if history is anything to go buy it is going to be a long month.Arsene will make an 11th hour signing of someone completely off the radar which is right up his street. When have we ever been right. This guy covers all angles.I think Scott Parker has a better chance of coming to the Emirates than Arshavin. Parker is precisley the sort of uneratted premiership experienced midfield player we need.Otherwise I think we are going to be even better in 2009 and the signs are there. Happy 2009 to allyou Gooners and to you Yogi.

  43. We’re definitely not buying Arteta or Given, so that will cut the cost.

  44. We Arsenal supporters seem to be divided.

    There are those that think AW can do no wrong and will be proven right in the end, as well as those that think he has taken us as far as he can.

    Here is a hypothetical question to you all:

    Were we to finish outside the CL places and not win the CL this year would you prefer AW or Cesc leave the club?

    Hands on buzzers…..please answer…it’s just for fun…

  45. No!! We will make the top four, Aneta….too good, too clever to let Aston Villla – a team who are UEFA cup stuff for sure – beat us… Many months and nice scorelines to come…
    4th… looking at second, really, after the Rednoses.. Optimism or a gut-feeling that the Arse are gonna surprise a few ??
    Lady Nina…

  46. Gris,

    I am the same. I don’t like the Emirates “experience” at all

  47. Skitty – the thought of either leaving gives me funless feelings…My buzzer is in the box. Jheh..

  48. We have the usual mixed messages – we have money, no we don’t.

    Fiszman says we can spend £30m on player PHW says we have no money to spend.

    Personally I don’t care anymore as I have heard it all before. I am not convinced by the financial health of the club especially the flats. I think that there is some money there but fear about the flats and the general cautious nature of AW and the board means no big signings.

    Al this talk of being able and willing to spend 30m on the right player is bollox in my view.

  49. Come on Ponyboy there’s fun and there’s….

  50. Players, however much we love them come and go. Who replaces these players? The manager.

  51. Alex

    Wasn’t that talk about £30m AGES AGO? When £30m was €50m?

    Unless it’s escaped you things are a little different now.

    So what’s your selection AW or Cesc to move us forward?

  52. Question for you, Skitty: Would you rather someone kicked you in the head or the balls?

    Just for fun.

  53. None of them will leave or should leave.

    Wenger is in it for the long long run.
    Fabregas will not leave Arsenal until he is 27 – 28 to have 3 or 4 leagues at Barca.

    Why does someone has to leave if we don’t win anything? What kind of mentality is this? It’s the same as saying if we don’t buy Super Stars at 30 million a piece we will win nothing.

  54. Poliziano

    It’d have to be the head anytime, but maybe you suspected that?

  55. You utterly, utterly miserable f***er, AIC…..you are an abject disgrace…you don’t even go to the Arsenal Stadium…so how would you know…besides the ‘experience’ is what the supporters make it…and we have to make the stadium our own…you will never help to do that…just stand on the sidelines, watch and whine….listen to what the manager has to say…listen carefully….you know this club is really going places…and when we get there we will have left you and yours well behind….

  56. A bit of a US angle to tomorrow’s game…..

  57. Please everybody, relax.

    I did say hypothetically and, of course, I would dread such a situation.

    It just seemed an interesting way to see where we feel we are.

  58. FFS, you are a complete t**ser

  59. Please elaborate….

  60. Hypothetical questions are for people who think life is black and white enough to divide along strictly demarcated lines of their own perception.

    It is not, never has been, and never will be.

    If you think you can neatly divide the opinions of, potentially, hundreds of thousand of people in such a way – you are not thinking.

    Regards to Yogi, I have missed you.

  61. Skitty,
    I didn’t particularly mean my last post to be insulting. I just wanted to emphasize that some questions are unpleasant to contemplate.

  62. Its not ‘just for fun’ – it’s for the playground.

  63. ‘please elaborate’?..what are you some sort of onboard f***ing computer …..

  64. Aren’t you supposed to be on trial, Josef K?

  65. Wow,

    Hands off buzzers please…

    Sincere apologies for any offence or monochromatic thinking. Just wanted a little discussion on the current situation.

    For what it’s worth I’d rather keep AW than Cesc since his loyalty and quality are cannot be doubted.

    In the long run though, in fifty, one hundred or two hundred years they will both just be parts of a continuing saga, in which ( I pray) they will both be accorded the status of legends.

  66. Why so unfriendly?

  67. Don’t worry, Skitty. Sorry if I was unfriendly. Your quiz question just didn’t agree with me.

  68. We like to keep things logical SF Skitty. Although your question my be simple and you are seeking to have fun with it. It implies losing more of our assets assuming we didn’t win anything.

    Why not assume we will win something instead?

  69. monochromatic thinking FFS ?

    You are a strange one FFS.

    Are you one of those oxbridge types who have a tenuous grip on reality ?

    Are we going to see some latin next with maybe some greek thrown in to confirm your intellect ?

    Did you ever kick a ball at school FFS ?

  70. G4E

    I’m not trying to imply anything of the kind. These are uncertain times though and I fear that AW is losing support amongst the less patient fans. I am patient, but also fear the impact of short-sightedness. Logic can seem so subjective at times….

    Poliziano

    Thanks for that and I do understand how imagining that scenario would be hellish. I didn’t want people to ACTUALLY LIVE it.

    This is a rough playground!

  71. I might throw some geek in.

  72. Wenger and Fabregas have both been completely loyal to Arsenal, so I see no reason to speculate about either leaving.

  73. at the risk of pedantry, the boss is not as far as i am aware a professor of economics – he holds a phd and is thus a doctor of said ’science’.

    also, disloyal as it may sound, i agree with alex ice cream and others – having been to both highbury and the emirates, the latter just does not compare as an experience.

  74. I’ll get my coat.

  75. by coming to this blog you can join the more patient fans who support Wenger, Fabregas, and the whole team through good times and bad times…if you like it this way welcome aboard Skitty.

  76. Did anyone catch Moaninho’s dig at Wenger today. I’ve been saying it for 3 years….he’s going after Wenger’s job…and/or legacy. Trying to crown himself the Premier League’s greatest after Ferguson.

  77. Wenger has a masters degree in economics. He’s a professor of football.

  78. Yes, and Ferguson’s trying to crown himself the Premier League’s greatest after Wenger.

  79. YW: new year greetings, and keep up the good work in 09.

    re. the following:

    ‘The Premier League is not out of reach but with four teams required to drop a lot of points between them, it seems harder to believe that particular trophy will return to The Emirates this season.’

    agreed the prem league is not *mathmatically* out of reach, but in every other sense (notwithstanding the total and simultaneous collapse of all of our major rivals – an entirely implausible set of circumstances), it is effectively unreachable now, non??

  80. SnasomSplash,

    We’ve been in Emirates two years or three? So far we didn’t win anything in it, so I can understand there are no good memories to associate with it.

    I think there were long long long cold, empty periods at Highbury…what got you through it, is that we won things there to keep us going.

    Nothing comes for free, everything has a price. A new beautiful and big home…has a big price to pay and a lot of hard work.

    Are you up for it?

  81. Poliziano – re. wenger, you are of course correct. i think ill give up trying to correct the errors of others…

  82. The smell of vitriol in the evening…

  83. Skitty,
    There’s no need to disappear. We get all kinds of unpleasant creatures here, so we have to be careful. Plenty of them are worse than you. :)

  84. You’re the worst of the lot Poliziano ;-)

  85. Poliziano knows how to Zing it pretty good :)

  86. I’ll get my coat.

  87. I didn’t see you bring in any coats Poliziano ;)

  88. That’s my cue, Poliziano!

    As far as I know, “experience” is a horrible marketing term. Also it makes the whole thing sound so passive. Surely you get out what you put in.

    I’ve been away since ‘07 – only gone to a couple of games at the emirates. It’s probably lost the new car smell that it had back then. Especially if people have been using those whistle contraptions I’ve read so much about.

  89. It’s cold out there.

  90. @ AIC
    Can you point me to the quote in which PHW says we have “no money” to spend?

    Danny Fiszman said IF Arsene wanted to spend £30 million on a player, the money would be available. You cannot deduce that DF was lying because AW did not spend it. Just because YOU would have spent the money if you could does not mean that AW would have.

    Re the current transfer window, PHW and AW pointed out that finances have been effectively reduced by the changed economic climate in two ways – less money will be available to football in the future; and the value of sterling has plunged about 30%, so in a global market that makes any deal 30% more expensive before you even start negotiations. PHW also hinted that it would be prudent to spend less and save more cash when revenue is likely to be reduced.
    For a more detailed explanation, try this: http://www.arsenal.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=512355

    The messages are not mixed, but some fans and many newspapers do not understand the difference between “can” and “will”.

    Big signings have been made regularly. Nasri is a big signing, Sagna was a big signing, as was Gallas, Eduardo and Rosicky. *IF* Arshavin comes, he will be a big signing, regardless of whether he cost £20 million or £10 million.

    ****
    There are some fur coats in the wardrobe, if anyone’s cold… Hang on, is that a lamp post I see at the back? And a land of perpetual winter? Oh, no, my mistake. Just a dream. Or was it…??

  91. @ FFS
    Hiya
    Did you realise what your acronym spelt? lol

    About the “split” amongst the fans, I would say that the first group are not exclusively those who think AW can do no wrong, it’s more that they think that the principles he follows/methods he uses are the right ones and lead to correct decisions or good consequences * in general *. Of course sometimes those principles/methods whatever will lead to mistakes/bad consequences, but if you follow correct principles you will get good results more often than you get bad ones.

    Within that there is a lot of variation in views, but I think the notion that AW is on the right lines is what we have in common.

  92. “The pride of north London. Forever and ever…..
    The red and white army. Marching together…..
    We’ll fight for the cannon. Proud of our history…..
    Always remember our home is Highbury…..
    Arsenal Arsenal! Arsenal Arsenal…..
    Arsenal Arsenal! Arsenal Arsenal…..”

    It bears repeating as does the fact that you only get what you give. Football is a sport in which the fans can really contribute to the game on the pitch. Optimism breeds positivity, whilst pessimism breeds negativity – you know it make sense!

  93. Thanks for the help Poliziano and Gunner4Ever. Sorry for changing the topic on your blog Yogi but I gotta take advantage of intelligence.

    Basically guys I am trying to sort out an rss feed. The php file is basically just a database command that pulls up all the articles so I am not sure if I can just swap the extension to xml

  94. I agree with Passenal…game of football tomorrow…in Highbury…..FA Cup…oh yes!

  95. I watched the season review 92-93 the other day and I felt so emotional.

    Highbury
    Merson
    Wrighty
    Adams
    Smith
    Graham

    We won the cup double. I was at the FA cup final against Sheffield Wednesday

    Just reminded me of my youth.

    How football has changed since Sky Sports.

  96. Sorry that wasn’t structured whatsoever haha, I think I need some sleep.

    COME ON YOU GUNNERS!!!

  97. I was back home for a few days over Xmas. My folks had Sky Sports News on for a few minutes. What a ridiculous channel that is!

    I couldn’t stop laughing, because they have intro music after every ad break – it sounds like a string arrangement from some kind of epic adventure movie. Then a newsreader comes on (clearly not recruited because of physical appearance) and delivers a story about Macclesfield Town’s reserve goalkeeper. I think that’s called bathos!

    I didn’t realise it was so bad! No wonder so many Arsenal fans are losing their minds.

  98. Arsenal vision –

    Beware watching those season reviews and “g arsenal gold” games on Arsenal TV – I have done so and come over all misty eyed. It is dangerous to live in the past…..

    We must never look back. Only when we are rocking in our armchairs waiting for our maker should we lok back and reflect

    Now – we should drive on and turn our collar up against the cold and rain for we are the Arsenal and we will never let the sun go down on our wrath (or mixed metaphors….)

    Come on Arsenal ……where’s your fuck**g pride. Let’s be having youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu……….

    this season 2008/2009

  99. Arsenal vision –

    Beware watching those season reviews and “g arsenal gold” games on Arsenal TV – I have done so and come over all misty eyed. It is dangerous to live in the past…..

    We must never look back. Only when we are rocking in our armchairs waiting for our maker should we lok back and reflect

    Now – we should drive on and turn our collar up against the cold and rain for we are the Arsenal and we will never let the sun go down on our wrath (or mixed metaphors….)

    Come on Arsenal ……where’s your f**k**g pride. Let’s be having youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu……….

    this season 2008/2009

  100. Dead right AlanG. The past is gone, mistakes have been made but WE ARE ARSENAL!

  101. This is a siege we are facing Arsene

    Tell your players so

    Alex Ferguson has written us off – “it’s now a big 3″ – well you red nosed c*nt, you will regret that. We will some to OT and deny you the treble

    The media have written us off

    Many fans waver…..

    Well you spotty faced spoilt London Colney Hogwarts trainee wing wizards – you owe your Professor DumbleWenger big time. Now go out there and start paying some back….

    It begins in 2009 ….cry havoc and let loose the puppydogs of war !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  102. Alan, might be time to lay off the strong stuff!

  103. I forgot my scarf!

    Thanks to the more patient of you.

    I guess it says a lot about how nervy we are feeling, when an innocent (if not intellectual) attempt to discuss the impact of a player and a manager can invite such scorn.

    I am far from a negative, Sky Sports swallowing supporter. It is telling though, that even pondering, can elicit such a mob mentality.

    That said, I do appreciate that this site is one of the last bastions of positivity in the Arsenal blogosphere and must be treasured.

    Muppet at 9:49 pm,

    That post was far below your normal standard, please try again. Everything ok at home FFS?

  104. Skitty Skitty Bang bang

    There are some right wank*rs on here

    Right know it alls who pooh pooh an honest comment

    Don’t take it personally

    Just wait for when they say something stupid themselves (which they inevitably will) and punce for your own dose of poooh poooing…..

    wait in the long grass with your sharpened wit and then pounce !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  105. “We shall draw from the heart of suffering itself the means of inspiration and survival”

    - Winston Churchill

    In our heart of darkness rally round – for out of our annus horribilis will come forth the dawning of the day….

  106. F. Frederick. Skitty – stick around and say your piece. It’s as valid as anybody elses. Talk you again friend…and fellow Arsenal fan

  107. I don’t think that any Arsenal fan is happy with the current table postion or some recent performances but Wenger has been amazing over the years for Arsenal and we are now a different club to when he arrived.

    Ashburton Grove doesn’t feel like home, well it’s up to the supporters to make it feel that way. We should also remember the effect that the 12th man can have in games.

    A couple of seasons ago there were ManU supporters calling for the sacking of Ferguson. We have undertaken a huge project in the new stadium (And one that doesn’t finish just because the last brick is laid). Liverpool want a new stadium and can’t afford one, the Spuds want to expand and yet are currently in a relagation battle.

    We should be proud of what we have achieved and our place in world football.

    WE ARE ARSENAL

  108. AlanG and marc,

    Good comments, nice to see that positivity is not the preserve of the few!

    I’m going nowhere, unless any of those nasty big boys turn up, in which case I’ll skulk or try my luck at Le Grove. They seem relatively welcoming……

  109. FFS – I just think that some people get a kick out of being a miserable bastard.

  110. I might try that tomorrow and see where that leads!

    Anyway I’m off to bed.

    Looking forward to a convincing, confidence-building win !

  111. Dear oh dear oh dear

  112. Oh please don’t get me wrong guys.

    I would never go back, we are playing the most exciting football of our supporting lives and Arsene Wenger and all he has brought is a massive leap from what we had in the Graham days.

    It was for more nostalgic reasons that I wrote that comment.

    As I said, It reminds me of my childhood, my days of being innocent. Those times will always remain dear to me.

  113. Pilgrim Father’s…Mayflower…Sir Francis Drake…Golden Hind…Gardening implements….Football…Scottish name….Green Kit…uuuurrrggghhh…thats Plymouth Argyle that is…

    Happy to host them….and to try our new song…

    clickclickclick…clickclickclick…..clickclickclick…clickclickclick…lalalalalalaaaaaah….lalalalalaaaah..lalala……here we go….

    “The pride of north London. Forever and ever…..
    The red and white army. Marching together…..
    We’ll fight for the cannon. Proud of our history…..
    Always remember our home is Highbury…..
    Arsenal Arsenal! Arsenal Arsenal…..
    Arsenal Arsenal! Arsenal Arsenal…..

    …the FA Cup….love it…it is a great day to be a gooner…getting very excited….

  114. dont f*ck with the aclf bloggers!!!!!!

  115. FFS,

    I’ll get my coat.

  116. I hope it’s not a monochromatic coat.

  117. Certainly not green anyway…red might be OK…though there might be a style issue around this time of year.

  118. …chrome coats might work…specially on sunny days…

  119. I think a red greatcoat with white fur trim would be just the thing for this kind of year. With the owner’s name, “Muppet,” written on the back.

  120. LOL…. Poliziano

    what’s with this being slagged off in the middle of the night when one is sleeping….

    that is not cricket !

    I’m glad Frank was half awake keeping a vigil.

  121. …yep that could do it…..reckon people would buy em?…maybe chrome coats too?….got a job lot of ski goggles to go with the chrome coats…actually they are one-eyed ski goggles…bloke I bought em from said that pirates like em…didn’t know that pirates enjoy winter breaks…but he seemed an honest cove….only got one leg…felt quite sorry for him….f***ing parrot was a bit rude though…told Lady Nina to shove it up her a*se…not very nice….

  122. Plenty of Green at Arsenal today Frank.

    10000 Argyle fans. They will make a noise too, I know the club well.

  123. …just got back from a party, Muppet…actually where I met this one-legged bloke…thought I would log on and discovered a conversation between some one-eyed blokes…well I thought…on to a winner here…

  124. …ok Consolsbob…so we will just see our boys running up and down the pitch chasing these disembodied bits of arms, legs and heads? Is camouflage allowed in football?

  125. I reckon they’d be expensive – perhaps too expensive for a lot of people at the moment. Wenger might like one, though. I know he feels the cold. He might prefer to have “Wenger” written on it, rather than “Muppet.”

  126. in the land of the blind the one-eyed bloke is king

  127. …ah but what about the land of the one-eyed?

  128. I’m talking about the coats, not the goggles.

  129. I don’t think the superiority of two eyes over one would be enough to make the the two-eyed man king in the land of the one-eyed.

  130. Teachers have two sets of eyes, but I’ve never heard of a teacher being king?

    I suppose that could be an example of diminishing marginal returns to eyes.

  131. Sorry, that wasn’t a question. It’s a fact that I’ve never heard of a teacher being king.

  132. We would have been better off playing Argyle back in the 70’s.

    Green would have shown up against the brown..

  133. I don’t think that a two eyed man would last long in the land of the one eyed….they would hate him and eventually do away with him…they simply would not believe that a third dimension actually exists….

  134. …they probably would have worn their brown away kit, Consolsbob…

  135. Plus they might sneak in a few Marines as ringers. Marines are very good at camouflage.

    I’ve seen the adverts on telly.

  136. ….got some souvenir hoes on the stall today…special one off…genuine Plymouth hoes…

  137. …if there was any symmetry in the world..there would be a team in the Scottish league called Argyle Plymouth…

  138. What are the hos like in Plymouth?

  139. What do the police think about you selling hos in public?

  140. If the world was all about symmetry, there would be no one eyed people.

    Then where would we be? No more blogs?

  141. Not so, Consolsbob. What about a Cyclops.

  142. Have you got any Cheryl Coles for sale?

  143. Cyclops are not symmetrical Poliziano. Surely that is self evident?

    Vote yes or no. Now.

  144. …they did not complain about me selling rakes…i

  145. Why not, Consolsbob?

  146. …see that little ‘i’…..no idea how it got there…got a box of em and they keep getting out…wrong sort of i’s anyway…

    Well did Cyclops’ or Cyclopses have an eye in the middle of their heads…if so….eye..I mean i…I mean aye…ok yes….if not know…I mean no…

  147. But an eye in the middle of your forehead.. and a big one; that gives Cyclops an advantage..in one-eyed lands or even two.

  148. Did you make much progress with the rakes?

  149. Look, obviously one of anything cannot be symmetrical.

    I mean, Nelson was probably the most asymmetrical man in history.

    Anyway, you didn’t vote.

  150. I think you need to go back to symmetry school, Consolsbob.

  151. I knew the sister of a one-eyed girl once..she gave me $100 HK. Hope i’m not wandering here..

  152. Well you see if Tony Hancock had one eye in the middle of his head and he did his mirror thing….FunGunner knows all this…she will demonstrate..he would be symmetrical if he had had one eye in the middle….actually he would be symmetrical if he had one ye at the side as well in that instance…ok…..I say eye

    you count the eyes and I will count the noses

  153. ye = eye

  154. Of course, Hitler was assymetrical in another way according to the popular song whereas Goebbels was perfectly symmetrical.

    Although, probably not in any way that the men amongst us would like.

    Of course I am no expert. Howard might know more about this sort of thing.

    The people I mean, not symmetry.

  155. ….no the police did not get it at all….these guys just stood around the stall reading out rude words and make lewd offers to anything waliking past…the police threatened to do em…and I said they were only rakes…and the police said fuuuurrrccckk awf we know what rakes are…you use em in the garden…what had these guys got to do with rakes…well you can imagine we were there for hours…

  156. Are you sure that was Tony Hancock, Frank?

  157. I thought you said that you were innocent Ponyboy?

  158. …waliking is a kind of sexy walk btw…with thrusting pelvic movements…experts can make it look very sexy….amateurs just get laughed at….these policemmen tried it nine of em….last time I saw them they were waliking up Holloway Road….amateurs they were

  159. Well, let’s just say – the punishment didn’t fit the crime:-)

  160. Oh know..I mean no…it was Harry Worth…..senior moment….well senior year actually..

  161. Where is Howard ? Bet he left his uniform behind.

  162. Is a face not (ideally) symmetrical? And is a face not one object?

    The popular song tells us that Hitler was symmetrical at birth, but that he was later made asymmetrical. If he had been born one-balled, he could have been symmetrical, depending upon how it hung.

  163. Is Howard a streaker as well as a Fascist?

  164. Oh, have I misunderstood? Were you saying that Howard’s behind is symmetrical?

  165. Right…..painted wagon loaded….Lady Nina fed and itching to get to the police horses….literally actually…..FA Cup today…big tie….got loads of those on the stall today…big ties I mean…….

    Carmon Arsenal Carmon Arsenal Carmon Arsenal

    clickclickclick…clickclickclick…..clickclickclick…clickclickclick…lalalalalalaaaaaah….lalalalalaaaah..lalala……here we go….

    “The pride of north London. Forever and ever…..
    The red and white army. Marching together…..
    We’ll fight for the cannon. Proud of our history…..
    Always remember our home is Highbury…..
    Arsenal Arsenal! Arsenal Arsenal…..
    Arsenal Arsenal! Arsenal Arsenal…..

    Don’t forget to listen to the train parps…..great stuff…..very happy gooner me…

  166. I don’t remember the verse that made his testicular state at birth clear. You must have gone to a very special school Poliziano.

    Even if one could accept that point, I think we could further debate the symmetrical nature of a one eyed face or a one testicled scrotum.

  167. Hogi!

    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

  168. In the land of the eunuch, the one-balled man is king.

  169. You must be the same age as my wife Frank. When I checked your comment with her she agreed it was Tony Hancock.

  170. Yogi!

    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

    Sory for writting, Hogi*.

  171. Now you are just making me cross Poliziano. You still haven’t voted on the first issue and now you raise another one!

  172. Hitler has only got one ball,
    The other is on the kitchen wall,
    His mother, the dirty bugger,
    Chopped it off when he was small.

    She threw it over Germany,
    It landed in the deep blue sea,
    The fishes got out their dishes,
    And had scallops and bollocks for tea.

  173. I don’t know if I went to a special school; but you must need to go to one if you still can’t understand the meaning of symmetry.

  174. Don’t worry, Consolsbob, you won’t be on your own. Alex Ice Cream is already there taking remedial classes on the meaning of free speech.

  175. You can teach me so much PZ. I have never heard those verses before.

    Wait a minute. Are you sure that you haven’t been chatting privately to Howard to know so much personal detail about the testicular condition of the leaders of the Third Reich and how their mothers trated them?

    And if you are so clever, why were Goering’s and Himmlers so small?

  176. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I know.

  177. It’s just a silly song, so far as I know.

    Were Goering’s and Himmler’s particularly small? You live and learn!

  178. its been reported that man city are paying £12m for bridge!!

    nzogbia… no we dont! you are shitter then what we got, that would not make sense!

  179. ..Goering had two but very small,
    Himmler had something similar..

    Sorry for the delay in the stream of wit that is flowinf from my keyboard this morning but I had to clean out the chickens.

    They are having a special treat tonight, leftover Greens.

  180. Lets dispose of Plymouth and then focus on 5 games to win a trophy…and get some forward momentum

  181. Got any asymmetrical eggs for sale?

  182. did anyone notice wenger yesterday in his press conference smirking/smiling as he was speaking about arshavin! was it a good smirk though that is the question??

  183. Now I get it! No, I really do.

    Thank you PZ

  184. dukeGoonem,

    “its been reported that man city are paying £12m for bridge” – yeah, I saw the report and W.bridge will get £100,000/week! That’s utter madness.

    nzogbia… please no!!
    I want to have Traore back than wasting the money on someone mediocre. Does anybody know whether Traore can be recalled from Pompey? (Jamie @youngguns says no; but cannot find any other source of information)

  185. A R S E N A L

  186. Come on Arsenal

  187. silvestre injured shit !!!

  188. Mmm…. a goal or 5 please guys..

    Citeh… what is happening to you ?

  189. Anyone ever tried watching this stream?
    http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/sat3.1/Arsenal_Plymouth2.html
    The most bizarre. Like someone sat with a video camera pointed at the tv. Still better than 5 live tho.

  190. It’s official ! Symmetry needs more than one part to be valid. Am not even sure what it’s all about anymore, as there is only unity in the universe; yet only diversity through the mind.
    Love this blog… ok, steww, going to watch your stream. A streak of piss…

  191. Update – the guy just dropped his pants – it is someone with a video camera.
    Ah well – up the Arse.

  192. RvP !!! Atlast, can breathe.. steww – that was a ghastly thing.. but thanks for the hot girls.. need some now, seeing as Robin is outta my league…
    YESSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2-0 … now the rout begins

  193. I found a really excellent stream of Canal + from spain…

    Ramsey looks very lively. Our defense IMproved when Gibbs came on for Silvestre. His ball skills are top drawer and he is a force on defense. And playing Sanga is like having two players. We are far from perfect. The movement upfront isn’t very good so we just don’t unlock defenses like we did last year… but the signs are encouraging.

  194. CG,

    “Ramsey looks very lively”

    I don’t know – for me, he seems to be too greedy. RvP looks quite frustrated with Ramsey for not passing to him.

  195. TC, I agree with that too. He is too greedy. It’s as if someone told him “Arsenal over-elaborate” and he’s taken it on himself to rectify that. But still, I love the fact that he is all over the field making the effort. D

  196. He will learn.

    RVP last goal was sweet.

    Diaby is a great player when he runs at the defence with the ball, he has a wonderful ability to beat players. If he can do this and know when to pass more consistantly he will do wonders. Great talent.

  197. Chavski 1 – Southend 1. Nice !!

    Only heard the match on radio, but seemed like RvP really made the difference. Keep him as captain until Cesc returns ?

  198. Steww, I watched 10 minutes on this guy’s stream…He is freaking crazy, he was drunk and commenting on the game himself. I couldn’t take it.
    ==
    A few encouraging individual displays today, not the best performance overall…but we move on to the next round. No complaints.

    Going to get some sleep now..

  199. hey i thought the guy was funny especially the muppets show he constantly did . it kind of reminded me of muppet ! i hope yogi and the yogi cubs are fine !

  200. Just back from the game – MOTM definitely RVP 2 goals and an assist – you can’t argue with that!

    Robin Van Persie, clap clap clap clap clap

    I am becoming increasingly impressed by Diaby – the last couple of games he has shown good discipline while playing in the centre. Ramsey gave away the ball a couple of times, which led to potential danger, but not bad for his age and stage of development.

    Despite the referee’s attempts to level the playing field by giving Plymouth a free kick every time an Arsenal player breathed on them, we did the business, so no complaints from me.

  201. Just got back from the game…..I have been looking foward to saying this for some time now……MotM performance from CAPTAIN Robin Van Persie…the MotM part is becoming the norm….some good performances all round but special mention for Kieran Gibbs…different class, son…different class…..great afternoon..really enjoy FA Cup days…

    Now about the 10,000 Arsenal season ticket holders that did not turn up……you utter f***ing a*seholes you are a disgrace…..and to the other 10,000 who left 7 mins from full time….that is 11 minutes from the end…..you utter f***ing a*seholes…..what the hell is wrong with our supporters….the FA f***ing Cup you lazy, miserable bunch of spoilt t**sers…I am so ashamed of you…you made us a laughuing stock today….and what has happened to RedAction…I bought and wore the Carlos Vela hat….but where was your singing…where was THAT song….

    Apart from the supporters it is a great day to be a gooner….

  202. 3-1 is looking good. Man City losing, Liverpool just hanging on against Preston, Chelsea drawing – it’s tough to play a “minnow”. All the pressure is on the big side.

  203. “you lazy, miserable bunch of spoilt t**sers”

    I totally agree Frank.

  204. Great to hear about Gibbs and Diaby playing well, Frank and Passenal. Gibbs is the dark horse who’s coming up on the rails. How would you rate his defensive performance?

  205. Silvestre is out for 3 weeks. How many more injuries can we get this season?

  206. Kieran’s defensive performance was excellent today, FunGunner…..Arsene has been and gone and got us another world class left back in the making….he is going to be a fantastic left winger too…you know this squad are really something…a great bunch of players and watching them come through one by one is such a privilege….it really honestly does not get better than this… very happy with AW and the players indeed…very happy indeed…btw I would not be surprised to see AW stick with RvP as Captain for the FA Cup campaign…absolutely fantastic….the rest of this season is going to be something special.

  207. Bad news about Silvestre, Steve…but we still have replacements….unbelievably….Kolo is ready and waiting and now we have cover for Gael as well…actually with performances like today Kieran will be pressing Gael for a place…..

  208. Kolo is also out with a groin injury but Clichy should be fit next week, according to ArsenaldotCom.

  209. That’s great to hear, Frank. I loved him in the Carling Cup because he seemed to learn the defensive duties from game to game. He seems very calm and phelgmatic as well which is a good quality in a defender. Next year’s CC choices will be interesting with Gibbs, Traore and Botelho all tall, speedy left-sided wingbacks.
    Mind you, I’m relieved that Clichy’s back next week.

  210. Oh OK. But I think that William and Johann work as well as any pairing we have in the middle. On our uppers are we not…. but I reckon we can cope. Be nice to give the team that 12th man once in a while….in fact the support has been improving….don’t know what happened today!

    Forgot to say that Samir Nasri worked brilliantly with Aaron Ramsey when he moved to the middle…Diaby sitting just behind and around them…kind of patting them into place and tidying up…

  211. …Nic needs to relax…he is so much better when he opens up…

  212. Bacary Sagna….is ….well Bacary Sagna…do I need to say more….fast becoming a world class right back…actually he already is…and so consistent…

    Carlos Vela..I could watch him all afternoon…super, super player…runs at defenders…rarely gets knocked off the ball…passing, crossing, pace…..positioning…a great shot….and courage…welll….look out world

  213. Yes, FG…actually I think we will see some more of Kieran this season…and Jack Wilshere too.

    You know today I wonder whether we got a real glimpse of the world beating team of two years hence….with RvP as Captain…Eduardo and Theo on the way back….Cesc….if he stays he will be captain…but maybe it is not as important as we think…players like Simpson, Randall, Lansbury, Coquelin getting established….

  214. Totally agree Frank. I don’t sit near Red Action, but I was really disappointed with them today and I did not hear our new song, which I was really looking forward to. Supporters expect so much from the team but give so little in return. I was sitting next to a couple of season ticket holders who left 5 minutes early at half-time for refreshments and then again at the end of the match. There were more Plymouth fans than Arsenal fans left at the end to cheer the players off. Absolute disgrace!

  215. With their players being so old, I thought Chelsea would tire towards the end of the season; but it looks like they have begun to tire already.

    I’m starting to wonder whether Liverpool might be our main competition for the league this season. They struggled today, but that’s because their game is essentially that of a Championship side, and so Preston were well equipped to combat them.

  216. As many people know, can’t get to the New Highbury atm, but this early leaving.. not into laws etc., but make the lazy shites PAY, maybe £20 – and – for the quiet non-singers, booze!
    Games in Japan, anyone who left early would have been elbowed and kicked..polite people, but they fu##ing hate rudeness.
    Plymouth fans – well done! Hell of a long ride home, but you enjoyed the game more, it seems.

    Still, enough moaning.. do think that Arse fans are a nervous bunch though.. so obsessed with not losing, they forget to enjoy the games.

  217. I think these Arsenal fans are trail-blazers. They are not going to disappear. On the contrary, they will spread to the other successful clubs in the Premiere League. The reason they arrive late, leave early, and spend half an hour getting refreshments at half time is that they don’t enjoy watching football. They go to matches because it’s in fashion. It brings them kudos in society. It’s the sporting equivalent of buying a Booker Prize winning novel and leaving it on the coffee table. I’ve read that 90% of those books are never read (Hardly surprising: how many times does one want to read about the amours of a gay professor?). Appearance is everything.

  218. “do think that Arse fans are a nervous bunch though.. so obsessed with not losing, they forget to enjoy the games.”

    Good point there Ponyboy – I think that is a big part of the problem.

    “Games in Japan, anyone who left early would have been elbowed and kicked..polite people, but they fu##ing hate rudeness.”

    I was sorely tempted today as I missed RVP’s first goal thanks to the half-time late returners blocking my view!

  219. Instead of engendering a fully supportive atmosphere at the ground, we (the decision-makers) choose to ignore the constant stream of late-comers, the weak-bladdered and the beer-addicted.

    We seem prepared to condone the restive behaviour of fans, in order to share the spoils with the concessionaires.

    If they refused to show anything on the screens or to serve anything until the whistle went, surely this would have a beneficial effect.

    It was clear how much the team would have appreciated some real applause and adulation at the end of the match, yet the majority had their backs turned or were already out of the door.

    RVP was a case in point. This is an exceptional player. He did a great job today and it was clear how much some recognition meant to him. He was one of the last players off and did get some attention, but this was his biggest day as an Arsenal player and I just wish I’d been a little closer when he through his captain’s armband into the crowd.

    It may seem hackneyed in this climate, but he really could be Arsenal through and through. I just wish he had got a greater reinforcement,,, from us, of how well he had done.

    Nasri was fantastic and Gibbs’ peformance should, hopefully, end any chance of Sylvestre playing left back again.

    Can’t wait ’til the next round, Tottenham….?

  220. I’m not sure that was van Persie’s biggest day as an Arsenal player.

    He did well today, as he has on numerous occasions this season.

  221. I think these Arsenal fans are trail-blazers. They are not going to disappear. On the contrary, they will spread to the other successful clubs in the Premiere League. The reason they arrive late, leave early, and spend half an hour getting refreshments at half time is that they don’t enjoy watching football. They go to matches because it’s in fashion. It brings them kudos in society. It’s the sporting equivalent of buying a Booker Prize winning novel and leaving it on the coffee table. Appearance is everything.

  222. I’m not suggesting that Arsenal are equivalent to a Booker-Prize winning novel. That would be Tottenham.

  223. Yes Poliziano, there seems to be an attitude of ‘oh well, I missed a goal, but I’ll see it on the highlights later’. I just don’t get it, I much prefer the match going experience and hate watching Arsenal on TV with half-witted pundits showing me their version of the match and trying to tell me what I should think about what is going on in front of my eyes. Unless you have no other choice, why go to the trouble and expense of getting a ticket? Because if that is your attitude, you might as well watch from the comfort of your own armchair or the nearest pub!

  224. Yeah, but AIC might be at the pub.

  225. “Yeah, but AIC might be at the pub.”

    And I wonder if he regales the other pub goers with his wisdom the way he does here?

  226. Nothing could be more certain.

  227. lets hope the gods can give us a favaurable draw this year!!!

    come on the arsenal!!!!!!!

    oh and one report says wenger has been told he cant spend when he actually does want to buy arshavin! apparantly we have had a low bid turned down! those fat cats at the boardroom are going to keep milking this cow and not put alot back in. lets get that fat hillwood out!

    Bring back dein!!!!!!!!!!!

  228. dukeGoonem – the story is in the Daily Mail, surely you don’t believe that? The Mail is no friend of the Arsenal.

  229. the daily mail….what the paper that just gives you nothing but depressing reading then hits you with fifty pages of holiday ideas!! big travel agent paper thats all that is.

    yeah well i was just throwing that comment in because i would not be suprised if the board actually told wenger that he could not spend as much as he would like.

  230. THE HACKS

    ed: hack…

    hack: yes, ed…

    ed: look, it hasn’t been a bad news story for Arsenal today, so we need to make something up

    hack: yes, ed

    ed: Ok.. I want a story about boardroom unrest, a split regarding the Arshavin transfer, threw in the devaluation of the point and the approach by Real Madrid

    hack: what ed ? You know that hasn’t got any legs.. are you ****ing crazy, we’ve got no quotes, nothing

    ed: I don’t ****ing care… just print it.. I want this as the lead, and don’t amplify the Man City or Chelsea stories, we don’t want to upset our russian or arab investors and friends.

  231. @dukeGoonem

    “those fat cats at the boardroom are going to keep milking this cow and not put alot back in. lets get that fat hillwood out!

    Bring back dein!!!!!!!!!!!”

    They put money in when they bought their shares. They have seen their value shoot up, much like people who bought houses in Notting Hill 30 years ago, but since they haven’t sold their shares (unlike Dein) they haven’t profited from the increase in value. As they say, it’s only profit when you’ve banked it.
    The board don’t own Arsenal’s profits or revenue, the club does, so the board wouldn’t be any richer for keeping money back. This isn’t just semantics – legally, the company is a different person to any board member or the board as a whole. If they took any money from the company except in accordance with their contract, it would be theft of one form or another.

  232. I agree with Frank; he’s been right all along!

    Well done!

  233. dukeGoonem – I sorry but how are the board milking the club? Some of them earn a salary, I wouldn’t mind it but for the circles they move in its less than peanuts. Also don’t you remember the first thing Usmanov did when he bought Dein’s hares was to start moaning that there is no dividend. The only way they can profit is to sell the shares they own and if we finish outside the top 4 the share value will fall.

    I do not understand your logic.

  234. Although I liked DD during his time at the club, I disliked him to no end when he sold his shares to a scum bag.

    You can’t say you love Arsenal, and then go sell your big share in it to someone you don’t even know.

    Once he left the club, he looked only for himself..

    1- He sold his shares thinking that if the club doesn’t do what he think is right (selling to a billionaire) the club will go down, so he sold now before the shares go down. That is arrogant and selfish.

    2- He sold to the scum bag, thinking he will be able to come back and run the club the way he wanted, and also oust the whole board in the process in revenge as they did to him.

    DD is gone, and I hope the scum bag gives up and sell his shares and be gone too.

    G4E

  235. good morining everybody

  236. I would be very happy with DD back at the club…he understands the supporters, the players and is very close to AW. Maybe he made a mistake by selling shares to Usmanov…maybe he didn’t…..strange to me that they oust him for bringing Kroenke into the fold….and then they embrace Kroenke…very strange.

    Most importantly though we have to do something about support at the grouns on match days….this has gone on for too long…..for a start the club can see which season tickets are not being used from one week to the next….they should at the very least be writing to the owners of these tickets to ask them to either attend matches, use the transfer ticket scheme or relinquish their season tickets…..nobody wants sanctions at this stage but this is getting ridiculous…..we should also be asking over the PA for people not to eave early…put it in the programmes…..keep only one door on the ground floor open until the final whistle….

    …..and RedInaction…you guys are a real enigma…..nobody really knows when you are going to turn up….you hardly sang a song yesterday…..you promise to deliver a great song….nothing….I went to the Rocket before the game yesterday…..f***ing useless…there are more active Gooners in my local pub…

    ….and AST….who the f*** are you people…..you certainly don’t have my Trust…

    ….still from a manager and team perspective…it is a good day to be a Gonner.

  237. yeah good freezing morning all..

    well since dein left i think the club has gone backwards in terms of keeping players. and also the lack of signing players! ok we dont know who/whats to blame for this so maybe it is just coincedence. maybe the ground has really killed us off financially.

    but i think dein played a major roll in the above before he left.

  238. I don’t have a problem with the current squad….so I am not sure I can agree with those points Dukegoonem….but I do think that DD had a galvanising affect on the club and connected the club to the rest of the football world….

    …the real problem at the club though is its supporters….when you see some of the blogsites and you see the support yesterday…..something is changing for the bad……if you listen in to conversations amongst supporters at the ground…all you hear is the constant hum of moaning, whinging and whining……

    Club level was almost empty yesterday for most of the second half….

    …btw where are the Directors of this club on match days?….they used to be there for all to see in the front middle of the East Upper….with commissionaires….are they in the bar too….

    turn the f***ing tellies off when the whistle is blown….please

  239. we miss dd bcoz we didnt replace him . but from this jan 1st we got a new man . hope he does well

  240. …sorry about the mis-spellings….

  241. …I hope he does well too, Santino….

  242. all hail ivan gladis our saviour

  243. I listened to the match via Radio devon yesterday. the commentaters, obviously Plymouth fans were very good. No agenda, no script to follow, just good commentaters.

    they loved being at arsenal and they loved Arsenal and the way that they were playing. they also commented on the Arsenal fans saying something like”…they are watching a world clas team in a world class stadium with AW as their manger and they are still not happy..”

    In the land of the blind…

    By the way Ponyboy, are you sure that PZ is wrong about symmetry?

  244. Ponyboy might well be sure, but he’s still wrong.

  245. so what !!!
    am still a goon star
    i got my up the arse move

  246. Arsene Wenger’s our saviour.

  247. “Chelsea players received an unwelcome New Year’s gift from owner Roman Abramovich when the club’s economy drive was extended to complimentary tickets. First-teamers have had their allocation of free tickets halved to four a game.” (The Observer)

  248. I don’t know PZ. I’ve been thinking. Isn’t an egg an asymmetrical object?

  249. but the archetype saviour is somebody who come out of the blues and save us not sumbody who is here for ages
    aw is our …
    our …
    what we call him
    any suggestions ???

  250. I do agree with you about Arsene though.

    God Bless Arsene.

  251. Saviour?

  252. Liverpool are apparently planning to replace Alonso with Aaron Lennon.

    You heard it first in the Sunday Times.

  253. king wenger

  254. i think alonso is injured . so that will end the speculations

  255. Muppet,
    Why did you stop being a football hack? It must be the easiest job in the world.

  256. Don’t bet on it!

  257. Poliziano,

    I am an important man Poliziano, I don’t have time for friviolities and printing untruths. I have an important life and family, and saw the light.

  258. I am half listening to Sunday Supplement on Sky as I sit here. One of those hacks has just told us that his wish is for Aston Villa to get into the top four because they are a club we all admire for the way they do things, a bright manager who is building a team properly. He then added “… not at Arsenal’s expense, I admire… etc, etc”.

    They really hate us don’t they?

    Wenger is our past, present and future saviour PZ

  259. Re: Symmetry and William Blake..

    “Tyger Tyger burning bright..
    In the forests of the night
    Can’t remember this next line
    Who can frame thy awful symmetry ?”

  260. With spelling like that…you don’t mess with him.. like Arsene..he KNOWS !

  261. Well the transfer gossip is really going into overdrive. Those tabloid hacks have some imagination! Arsene said he is looking for an ‘exceptional talent’ but some of the names bandied about aren’t even talented, never mind exceptional!

  262. Consolsbob……an egg is symmetrical in one plane…and assymmetrical in another…like so many things it depends where you draw the line……in the case of current Arsenal supporters……worst in the Premiership…biggest whingers…..biggest know-alls…..laziest….quietest…..probably the richest……but definitely the worst…yesterday was a disgrace

  263. so what !!!!
    am still a goon star
    i got my up the arse move

  264. But where do you draw the line, Frank?

  265. Like your season-ticket idea Frank… yeah, it’s Nanny State, but how about a little clip everytime one leaves early ? 10 or so, and that Season Ticket goes into a raffle ?
    Personally, probably because i can’t get one, I’m all in favour of no season tickets at all..first come etc..

  266. I would draw several lines…the first would be a letter from the club if you don’t turn up three times in succession…reminding you of the ticket transfer scheme….I would also suggest that if your seat has not been occupied by half time…at half time it will be given to a local youngster.

  267. frank u r promoting born again arsenal

  268. Another suggestion: A season ticket just gives the holder an option on his seat for each match. If he does not reserve his seat during the week (say) before the match, or claim it a certain time before kick-off, it automatically goes on sale at the gate. If it is sold, the season-ticket holder gets a refund.

  269. Santino – are you wearing a monocle ?

  270. PZ – that is a genuinely good idea! But why get a refund ?
    Think we’re still doing Amnesty International.. they need the ££ more. Or give the money to the Ladies team ?
    Some of them work in the laundry, just to pay their way -

  271. Brilliant PZ. Why not send it to our new CE?

    The club could even deduct, say. a tenner, for admin., thus making more money out of the tosspots.

    Are there no mathematicians out there to settle this symmetry issue once and for all?

    Trying to get used to the thought of Frank drawing a line anywhere except around a few people’s necks.

  272. no am blind ponyboy

  273. no am deaf ponyboy

  274. cant u hear AM BLIND pronoboy

  275. Well, you’re one asymmetrical man, Santino – and that’s high praise indeed ! Unless you are a woman, ofcourse…where symmetry is far more important.
    Just wish i had some idea of what i’m talking about…

  276. ok from now i’ll be asymmetrical santino

    so what !!!!
    am still a goon star
    i got my up the arse move

  277. “What dread hand or what dread eye,”

    I think. I haven’t looked it up btw! Blake was drummed into me at school.

    We’re one day closer to the 31st of January! To the press I’m sure the transfer window is open season as far as Arsenal is concerned. Withhold judgement… even if it’s good news.

  278. It’s, “What immortal hand or eye”.

    Bugger.

  279. Mathematicians have a more extensive notion of symmetry, as they recognise rotational and translational symmetry, for example, whereas in common parlance symmetry means reflective symmetry.

  280. Well, that’s cleared that one up then, PZ..

  281. A normal hens egg is symmetrical about its vertical axis. That’s probably true of all bird’s eggs. I think some birds might have spherical eggs, and these would be symmetrical in any plane that passes through their centre. Some reptiles, I believe, have soft-shelled eggs, which would be asymmetrical.

  282. If you rotate a square about it’s central point through 90, 180, 270, or 360 degrees, it looks the same as it did in its original position. This, to a mathematian, is rotational symmetry.

    Translational symmetry, I think, only applies to infinitely repeating patterns. Imagine an infinite chequer board. If you moved the chequer board two tile-widths horizontally, it would look identical. This is translational symmetry.

  283. What if you moved it one tile width horizontally ?

  284. Afternoon, all.

    @ Frank
    We’re never going to agree on this but anyway…

    “I would be very happy with DD back at the club…he understands the supporters, the players and is very close to AW.”
    Ivan Gazidis is a football man and if he gets on with Wenger, and apparently he does, problem solved. Also, realistically, there is no way that DD could work with the board that he tried to stab in the back, is there?

    “Maybe he made a mistake by selling shares to Usmanov…maybe he didn’t…..”
    I know you are very loyal to the man, Frank but this is a teeny bit disingenuous. DD didn’t just
    * accidentally * sell his shares to Usmanov, he sold them in order to form a company, Red and White Holdings, whose expressed aim was to take over Arsenal. His “mistake” was to underestimate the Board’s determination to resist a takeover and do what they thought best for the club. He didn’t have to sell any or all of his shares, even in forming R&W, but I guess he couldn’t resist £75 million. Because of DD, and purely because of DD, we are stuck with a non-Arsenal fan as a large shareholder – a man who has openly stated that he bought in in order to make money out of the club, and bemoans the fact that no dividends are paid.

    “strange to me that they oust him for bringing Kroenke into the fold….and then they embrace Kroenke…very strange.”
    Nothing strange here – when Kroenke came on the scene, everyone, including Dein, was expecting him to oust the current board if he took over. That was the whole point, as far as Dein was concerned. Nobody knew much about him or his long-term plans for the club AND he would have had to execute a Glazier-style leveraged buyout because he couldn’t afford to pay cash for the shares. And he was not an Arsenal fan. Those are all perfectly sound reasons for the board to be suspicious and unwelcoming. When both sides got acquainted, SK realised that the board were doing a good job and the board realised that SK could be a valuable contributor. Hence the cosying up.

    “…I do think that DD had a galvanising affect on the club and connected the club to the rest of the football world….”
    And if he had accepted the majority view about the stadium etc and NOT chosen to try to sell the rest of his colleagues out, he would still be there.

  285. I think that translational symmetry is a bit more complicated than that is it not?….also I do not think that soft-shelled eggs are necessarily less symmetrical than hard-shelled eggs….however their lack of rigidity may cause distortion as a result of applied forces e.g. gravity….not necessarily less rigid though as I believe that most reptiles eggs are spherical…rather than…..egg-shaped…also if the force is applied to a non-rigid spherical object…it will probably make it….egg-shaped.

    I think the season ticket idea could work, Poliziano…after all the ticket transfer scheme is in place already…just a question of changing the default. In practice you will probably have loads of people turning up for games having forgotten to confirm their seats.

    btw…one of the major changes that the club should instigate is to have a part of the site dedicated to suggestions by supporters…at the moment…it is very difficult to communicate with any of the ‘decision-makers’.

  286. We could operate a shuffle scheme whereby season tickets which have not been used a requisite number of times per season are last in the queue for seat selection. People keep their seat position if they have above 95% occupancy. If not anyone who would like a move gets a chance to pick spare seats…the low occupancy season holders would then end up at the top or back of the stadium.

    Anyone who attends more than a certain number of away games should get preference in the season ticket queue…as should any red member who has purchased more than a certain number of games. That way only supporters who have proved their mettle will get season tickets.

    The club should lobby the ‘authorities’ to be able to create ’safe’ standing room only areas….low cost pay on the day tickets for these areas.

  287. …as you wish, FG..I know nothing of the ‘facts’ behind the DD situation…most of it is hearsay. I am definitely not starting a campaign to get DD back at the club…

    I am more interested in getting proper supporters back into the club….Ivan Gazidis met AW for the first time a few weeks ago according to Hill-Wood…I hope they do get on…I am also a Kroenke fan I think….but I don’t know for sure yet because he has done nothing….but his track record in the US looks good.

    Bottom line at the moment is that I would not trust any of them as far as I could throw them.

    In the mean time those of us who have no shares in the club are trying to get AW and the squad the support they need and deserve…

  288. Muppet,
    A horizonatal move of one tile width would map black squares onto white squares and white squares onto black squares. In terms of symmetry, I don’t think it would have any meaning, although it would in a sense invert the pattern, which mathematicians might find interesting. This is a special case, however.

    Frank,
    I think the essential notion of mathematical symmetry is that the mapping under which a shape is said to be symmetrical should leave the shape unchanged. I was able to give an example of translational symmetry, but I cannot say much more about it.

    Perhaps I was unjust in denying symmetry to reptile eggs. I think they would be asymmetrical in many circumstances, but in others they would be symmetrical. I’ll modify my original position to say that soft-shelled eggs are only symmetrical when symmetrical.

    I don’t believe a non-rigid spherical object can exist except in special circumstances. A non-rigid object by definition does not have a fixed shape. A drop of water might take on the shape of a sphere when in free-fall, but will not maintain that shape on landing. A soft-shelled egg might be similar. I admit, though, that a soft-shelled object can be rigid. A balloon is a common example. As for the egg-shaping of spherical objects due to gravity: since no object is perfectly rigid, I think any object will suffer some distortion from a gravitational field, and that a spherical object might well take on the shape of some kind of egg.

    It’s easy to communicate with the decision makers at Arsenal, since they’re all avid readers of this blog.

    Aren’t they?

  289. I suspect that the non-rigid reptiles egg is perfectly spherical between its arse and the floor.

  290. Or maybe egg-shaped.

  291. Difficult and frustrating times because the Doomers are mobilising…..

    I have written to the club previously and received no sensible reply…I have written to AST and to RedAction…..nothing yet….I write on here…still nothing…..

    Not beaten yet but time to change tactics I think………one day it will be a great day to be a gooner in the company of gooners…one day.

  292. “It’s easy to communicate with the decision makers at Arsenal, since they’re all avid readers of this blog.

    Aren’t they?”

    If they’re not, they should be, then they would see that not all fans are negative nellies who don’t support the team in their hour of need.

  293. My wife, who says she remembers symmetry as being a part of her maths course, wanted to mention the factoid that there are more people alive than have ever died. Now, I don’t know what this has to do with symmetry except to say that it occurs to me that there might be more Arsenal fans alive than ever have died. Isn’t that nice to know.

  294. No thats the point..it will be egg-shaped when it does something that many Arsenal season ticket holders do not do enough…..come into contact with the ground.

  295. Your logic is faulty there Muppet….Arsenal fans are not propagating at the same rate as human beings…in fact some of them seem to have lost the ability to ‘breed’ new supporters.

  296. “one day it will be a great day to be a gooner in the company of gooners…one day.”

    The trouble is that those doomers will only be happy when we win something and they will really not deserve to bask in the reflected glory having done nothing to help the team achieve it.

  297. It’s not the first time I’ve heard that of more people alive than ever died, but it’s not true.

  298. But surely a spherical object doesn’t have a point.

  299. Not unless you distort it…by applying a force.

  300. Yeah, in that case we need some predicate logic.

    Some human beings claim to be Arsenal fans.

    Some Arsenal fans are true Arsenal fans.

    All true Arsenal fans are human beings.

    Not all human beings claiming to be Arsenal fans are human beings.

  301. “we are stuck with a non-Arsenal fan as a large shareholder – a man who has openly stated that he bought in in order to make money out of the club, and bemoans the fact that no dividends are paid.”

    And who also happens to be a huge criminal.

  302. There’s a real Nutter playing for Gillingham.

  303. Isn’t it time Villa’s luck runs out?

  304. Joke of a penalty decision by the referee. Is he Father Xmas in disguise ?

  305. Birds eggs start out spherical but become ‘egg-shaped’, oval, elliptical or whatever you want to call it…because of forces applied to the egg by the muscles in the birth canal… the blunt end comes out first and the sharp end is where the muscles squeeze down on the egg…..similar but lesser distortion occurs with babies heads…but they take different shapes because the head generally comes out first and the muscles tend to squeeze the babies body rather than head…

  306. Are babies’ legs and arms formed in that way as well?

  307. Nope

  308. I don’t think that explanation can be true.

  309. Different species of bird have different shaped eggs, according to the conditions in which they typically nest.

  310. Yep it is…they don’t

  311. Correct…or it seems that way…some are more spherical than others

  312. Ostrich eggs are more spherical because they are unlikely to roll away…unless the ostrich lays them on the side of a hill….which is why they can run so fast…..f*** the eggs are gone…and off they go down the hill trying to catch them up before they roll into the mouth of a hungry hyena…

  313. Unless the shells of birds’ eggs are soft when they are first laid, they would be too inelastic to be shaped by the muscles of the birth canal.

    I would have guess that the pointy end would emerge first, as this would allow more gradual stretching of the opening. Also, one would expect the muscles of the opening to be more relaxed when the back end of the egg emerges, on which basis the force would be less.

  314. FA cup 4th round: away at Cardiff!
    C’mon Ramsey more than anybody else then!

  315. No…the egg does not solidify until it emerges from the birth canal…it is moldable until then…

  316. …otherwise if you went up to a hen when she was laying and slapped her on the back and said…hows it going me duck…no,no, sorry…hows it going chuck….she might not be too happy….well she wouldn’t be happy anyway… but well you know… not because the egg had just broken…

  317. Yes, that makes sense. The last thing a hen would want is to be cut up by razor-sharp shards of egg.

  318. Excellent…an away game….the team will get some decent support….

  319. Arsenal need more firepower after star striker falls pregnant

    mirror.co.uk/sport/columnists/the-mole/2009/01/04/arsenal-need-more-firepower-after-star-striker-falls-pregnant-115875-21014849/

  320. I am more upbeat as we head into 2009

    Nasri can play centrally as we have seen in the last couple of games

    Give Vela and Gibbs some time on the left if he moves inside (Give Jack Wilshire some cameos)

    A fit defence with Sagna, Gallas/Toure Djourou & Clichy is fine

    BUT let’s protect them better in DCM – I think we do need to sign someone in this position still

    GK is ok – Let’s see how fabianski develops and pressures AM – he looks very commanding in the air (unlike AM) but is raw

    Eduardo, Rosicky and Walcott back by end FEB

    Diaby starting to show flashes of his talent

    Arshavin – I don’t know – seems too pricey for a 27 year old but would bring a lot of short positives. NOT a normal aW signing but with Villa threatening perhaps an exception might be ade

  321. And RVP is atarting to net regularly

    Come on ADE & NIC – get with the programme!!!!

    We are Arsenal !!!!!

  322. “Excellent…an away game….the team will get some decent support….”

    Sad, but true!

  323. RVP, pregnant?? :)

    Seriously, though, congratulations and good luck to Julie Fleeting. Apparently when one of the other Arsenal ladies was pregnant (Katie Chapman, I think), she had to be hauled off the training ground and told to go home…at FIVE months. That’s dedication for you!

  324. It’s a great draw. And what a treat for Aaron Ramsey.

  325. So one of our hens is going to lay an egg.

  326. Reasons to be cheerful – part 3

    We have a fair pot of cash and in this climate cash is like gold dust. In a years time, transfer prices will be cheaper. Only City are immune.

    Wenger is right – Football does not operate in a bubble…

    And we are generating operating profits

  327. Eggs ?

    It never fails to amaze me what some of you end up talking about on here?

    Too much time on the discovery channel…

    DID YOU ALSO KNOW:

    A mother hen turns her egg approximately 50 times in a day. This is so the yolk does not stick to the shell.
    Like Wenger – nurturing her prodigies…

    A chicken once had its head cut off and survived for over eighteen months, headless.

    Maybe Frank is actually a headless chicken ????? When did he join this blog………..

  328. I’d be surprised if Wenger pays £20m for Arshavin. As alanG suggests, we should be in a strong bargaining position. A lot of clubs are going to get very short of money, and won’t be able to hold out for high transfer fees.

  329. I hear you, alanG, on both counts.

    We are a properly run business and in the end we will reap the benefits. Man City are immune as you say but with Mark Hughes in charge, I think we’re safe.

    You definitely get the feeling that Nasri can do the business till Cesc gets back. It’s just a matter of whether he can stay fit.

    @ Poliziano
    “So one of our hens is going to lay an egg.”
    lol v witty

    Except that I don’t see Arsenal Ladies as hens, more as hen harriers. Wheeling denizens of the skies, ruthless predators, preying on plump voles and field mice. Or something.

  330. We don’t know yet what Manchester City will do. It’s likely that the owners have a lot less cash floating around now than they did in September. Their boasts have detroyed morale at the club, and they’re no longer even attempting to sign the big names they talked about at first.

  331. @ alanG
    “A mother hen turns her egg approximately 50 times in a day. This is so the yolk does not stick to the shell.
    Like Wenger – nurturing her prodigies…

    A chicken once had its head cut off and survived for over eighteen months, headless.”

    Nature is truly a wonderful thing.

    ****
    I am curious about the factoid that there are more people alive now than have ever died. How is that worked out? Surely there must be whole communities or branches of the human tree whose existence we can no longer trace? Is this conclusion derived from some mathematical law about multiplication?

  332. have to say after reading about what is happening or what will happen to west ham! maybe we should not spend any money.

    what will happen to them in march?? would not like to be a hammer at the mo.

    there’s only one sir Arsene WENGER!!!!!!!

  333. I don’t see how it would be possible to know that there are more people alive now than have ever died. But if you believe that life is all about balance, there is only so much matter within the planet and it is just in different forms at different points in time.

  334. For those interested in the sub-subject of world population, click on my nickname.

  335. @ dukeGoonem
    Actually we CAN spend some money, whch makes it all even more fabulous. (smug glow)

    @NEN
    Checked out that link. Those were pretty much the reservations I had.

  336. Scientists can calculate the exact number of people living in any epoch by measuring the quantity of a rare istope of carbon in ice extracted from the North Pole.

  337. Governments use that data to validate the results from their censuses.

  338. By using advanced statistical techniques and powerful supercomputers costing millions of pounds, mathematicians can work out the number of people who will be alive on any future date.

  339. Governments use a method called Geographically Enhanced Government Surveys (GEGS) for census monitoring……….in other words scrambled EGGS.

  340. Can someone email all these rather good season ticket rules suggestions to somebody at the club?

  341. Does that involve advanced statistical techniques and powerful supercomputers costing millions of pounds?

  342. We need someone to guess Wenger’s email address.

    Perhaps advanced statistical techniques and powerful supercomputers costing millions of pounds could help.

  343. Someone could just shout the suggestions to him at the next home game.

  344. Wenger’s address…

    MagicHat@arsenal.com?
    VenGur@Highburyshire.co.olde_englande?

  345. Which French companies provide email addresses?

  346. French companies? AW is a world citizen.

  347. He was in England long before email became popular.

    Could just be arsene.wenger@hotmail.com

  348. Why don’t we just ask Joe Kinnear?

  349. Anyone know Joe Kinnear’s email address?

  350. tw@f**k.off

  351. Don’t know how the comments regarding Human population started but I do know that around 75,000 years ago a super volcano went off in Indonesia (It is called Toba or something like like) and the resulting environmental effect almost pushed the human race to extinction.

  352. It’s all in the ice, Marc.

  353. Are we talking about drinks now?

  354. 75000 years is not very long ago at all in evolutionary terms….wonder how long-tailed tits managed to get through…brains, dexterity, perhaps it did not affect nut supplies…….cabbage whites too….cabbages must have been completely unaffected…..humans though?….perhaps they had not realised they could eat cabbages and nuts 75000 years ago….see any cabbages and nuts in the ice record, did they?

  355. this is great! talk about the arsenal and get some history lessons thrown in aswell!! got to be blog of the year at this rate.

  356. Cabbage population is in the ice. You just need the right isotope.

  357. Amazing…what did they find a whole frozen allotment with a frozen old fella just about to hoe between his frozen cabbages….?

  358. No, it’s not as simple as that. They used advanced statistical techniques and powerful supercomputers costing millions of pounds.

  359. ….surely hoes would have been better?

  360. I don’t think the date when humans first began to eat cabbages is recorded in the ice, but I could be wrong.

  361. At that time, humans lived in a state of innocence. Civilisation had not corrupted them. They didn’t have hos.

  362. Always fun to read here. I regret that I can’t contribute much of interest.

    I was in Tarragona yesterday – a town in Barcelona/Gimnastic territory – and there were some guys playing at the playground (concrete pitch). Not one but two of them were wearing Arsenal shirts, from different seasons as well. Kinda cool to see that. Maybe it’s the Cesc connection.

  363. ….can they not measure methane levels in ice?

  364. Now that is a cheerful story, Big Al…perhaps we should move the club to Spain.

  365. Do you live in Spain, Big Al, or are you on holiday?

  366. Tell you what frank, we’d have fewer injuries if we played in Spain. And most teams, apart from maybe Deportivo, play good football and actually try to win games against the big sides.

    My other half’s Catalan so I’ve been doing a kind of triangle for the last few Xmases: London, Catalonia and back to Mallorca!

    I’m in Palma semi-permanently. Never been to Magaluf though, I’m proud to say!

  367. How many other halves do you have?

  368. One, I think. Although it wouldn’t be an ‘other half’ because it would have to me. When you think about it it’s quite a cheesy expression.

    Hang on, I thought you were good at maths!

    Anyway, I think Arsenal’s got a good reputation here: Exciting young team, skillful players! Why wouldn’t we?!

    I guess people in Europe don’t have to listen to pundits and can choose teams that entertain them, or at least play in the right spirit.

  369. We have a superb squad and a genius for a manager…the stadium is great but needs some customisation…..perhaps we could have some fans…maybe about 10,000 on loan before the transfer window closes….fly em in for each home game…cheaper than some of the players that some are ‘predicting’ AW will buy….and if they are Spanish they may already know the words to the new song….well done, Big Al you are a star.

  370. My fifth wife…the best looking one actually…used to get very angry if I referred to her as my other half…..she is in prison now….spiked my drink and then tried to run me over….

  371. Not a ‘better half’ then? Or was she?

    BTW – anyone watch Yaya Toure last night? Scored a good goal, but he really gives the ball away a lot – and that’s playing in a team that’s on fire. I’ve seen a bit more of him this season and still prefer Song or Denilson. He just seems out of sync with his teammates.

    Aw’s being sincere when he says that we’ll only get players who can improve the team.

  372. …no not really…but she was a trier and had application…once she decided to do something she did it…got to admire that haven’t you…?

  373. Seems that all that links AW to Yaya is Kolo….bit trite even for our press and media.

  374. I wouldn’t be surprised if they *were* that lazy. Some fans lap it up though. Anyone’s better than what we have etc.

    What I don’t get are the fans who fear good results because they’re worried Wenger will feel vindicated after sticking with players and won’t recruit in the future. Now that’s anti-support for you!

    I admire anyone who has the guts to try anything. Especially in these times. As long as they do it in good faith or whatever. Also, as long as nobody gets hurt – or if they do – it isn’t in vain.

  375. Ostrich eggs are like chicken eggs; but whiter, so they are easily found.

  376. Tried, Frank ? How spiked was that drink ?
    Egg fact: An ostrich egg is so hot, you could fry an egg on it. Except it’s too damned egg-shaped.

  377. Big Al, It’s interesting to read that about Yaya. There are too many fans out there that always think any player other than our own has to be better. I’ve even read people saying Arsene should buy players who they have never heard of before their names had been linked with ours in the papers – names they can’t even spell, but if they’re in the papers, they must be good!

  378. She missed because she drank the wrong drink, Ponyboy….got in the car, fell asleep and drove straight into an allotment…well you can probably guess the rest….

  379. @ Big Al
    “What I don’t get are the fans who fear good results because they’re worried Wenger will feel vindicated after sticking with players and won’t recruit in the future. Now that’s anti-support for you!”

    You said it, Big Al! Having been vociferous, they have so much invested psychologically in “proving” that they know better than he does, that they want to be proved right at ANY cost. Because God forbid they should lose face with their mates in the blogosphere.

  380. I’m very pleased to say I agree with all of the wonderful bloggers on line in recent minutes.

    The woodwind section are especially taken with Big Al this evening!

  381. We need to engage in a dialogue with the club about the paucity of our support, we need to find out why people are not turning up and why they leave early. We need some sort of communication system and so we need to use the match day programme, the PA system, ATVO, ATV, the Gooner, the blogsites etc to first gather information and then produce remedies…….we need to act…no not drama….well yes drama if it helps…..how do we start?

    It is a good day to be a gooner…..and it will be even better soon.

  382. ….if we do not do this quickly we are going to be overwhelmed by wrong headed analyses and anti-support actions from other quarters including the press and media…and astonishingly some blogsites…just watch them this week……

  383. 1) Reduce the advantage of leaving early: make it slow, and introduce cavity searches for early leavers.

    2) Make leaving at the proper time quicker.

    3) Introduce benefits for people who stay till the end. Entry in to a prize-draw for everyone who stays for the entire length of every game, for example. Wet t-shirt competitions on pitch after the match.

    4) Make supporters aware that the players appreciate them staying to the end. This has been suggested before.

  384. I was reading Fever Pitch again the other day for a little trip down memory lane, and came to a chapter where he’s going on about increasing ticket prices due to the new all-seating North Bank, and the lack of proper support among the johnny-come-lately, more well-to-do fans who only come to experience the atmosphere but do little to add anything to it. This was at Highbury during the George Graham years, and the whole entire chapter is so relevant to now that it could’ve been written on a blog somewhere yesterday and you’d never know the difference.

    So I suppose what’s happening now is simply the outcome of a long process which has been going on for the last 20 years, and only recently bubbled to the surface in a big way due to the new stadium capacity. As Frank says, the club and the fans should act sooner rather than later to try and put it right, but what matters to the club at the end of the day is finance and revenue. If they can afford to put the ticket prices down, then fine, but if they can’t, then they also can’t afford to scare off the people who can.

    So everyone’s aware that we are going through a little tough spell at the club (although not really that tough). And that this tough spell is (most likely) all because of the building of the Emirates, having debt to pay off etc. However, the building of the Emirates is also the sole reason behind the “new” support not being up to par, and ironically good support is what is needed to help see us through the tough spell! Catch-22.

  385. I think the next big step is to have the club and various supporters groups openly recognise that there is a problem to be solved. Although I can’t see the club being very open about it….given that they are happy to lie about attendance. There have been some very interesting ideas presented on this blog….but how do we get them aired? I have written to the club and to RedAction and to AST….no response….so I will do it again…and again….others might do the same.

  386. .

  387. I agree with Blackstock

  388. Given that the club is not likely to openly recognise that there is a problem and therefore even more unlikely to act….it is down to supporters groups. The very least we should be doing is to let everyone know that ensuring that your season ticket is used and not leaving early helps the players and the other supporters….

    It would be useful to know if the ticket transfer scheme actually works….I use my own ticket all the time but have people who will take it off my hands if I can’t make a game….so I don’t need to use the club system……don’t know whether the club system works….anyone used it? If it doesn’t work that may explain why some of the seats are empty….can’t make the game and can’t get your ticket to anyone…..in the latter case as supporters we might be able to sort that out….

  389. Frank – how do you write to the club ? As in, whose name at the top etc ?
    Or anyone know an email address where they might actually READ them ??
    Just thinking..there’s enough of us on here to (just maybe) get someone doing something.

    Wet T-shirts in January PZ… Mmm.. Now that’s a fan!

  390. Thought the world’s population link was interesting. Thanks NonEdibleNacho.
    Inspired me to a population analysis of ACLF by posts, which looks like this (out of 385 posts at time of writing):
    Poliziano 84
    Frank 71
    Ponyboy 24
    Consolsbob 21
    Gunner4Ever 20
    Marc 20
    FunGunner 17
    santino 15
    F F Skilly 15
    Passenal 14
    Muppet 12
    alanG 12
    Big Al 10
    dukeGoonem 8
    arsenalvision 6 (free advertising :-) )
    Others 36 (<5 posts each)
    Probably doesn’t add up but what the hell.
    Can’t shake off the feeling that the population is shrinking, along with the diversity of opinion. Maybe it has something to do with incest? Even YW can’t be bothered to post much anymore.

  391. The only way to email the club is to use ‘contact us’ on the club website. I put my comments through the complaints option. Nothing back on this one yet.

    I have also sent comments in to RedAction on their website and Arsenal Supporters Trust on their website.

    You know no-one at this club…and particularly the club itself is responsible for improving the supporter experience it seems….even the stewards on matchdays are contracted in and do not see themselves as part of the club.

  392. http://www.arsenal.com

    http://www.arsenaltrust.org

    http://www.redaction.org.uk

  393. I bet the club receives thousands of emails a day with suggestions for new signings, most of them about Vincent Kompany. There’s almost no chance that any email will be passed on to someone with authority.

    Ponyboy,
    I wasn’t expecting the fans to take part in the wet t-shirt competition. They would watch. The club would have to pay some girls to compete. They shouldn’t have a wet t-shirt competition every match anyway, as that would be boring. That was just one suggestion.

  394. Actually the Arsenal Supporters Trust…home page most recent news is June 2008….the news items however do have items from as recently as October 2008…f***ing great. They seem to be so far up the boards ar*es as to be perfectly useless…jollying it up in Colorado at Stan Kroenke’s expense…my guess is that they are todaies but they may be useful if we can turn them….BUT they only really seem to be interested in shares and accounts.

  395. todaies=toadies…todaies means going to the Cardiff City game….anyone going todaies?…that sort of thing…

  396. Is there a newsletter produced by fans that actually supports Arsenal?

    If not, such a newsletter might have a chance of being read by someone at the club, and could be a way of contributing ideas.

  397. RedAction…bless em….they are amateurs and they are trying hard….I am going to join with RedAction see if I can help…..might donate a percentage of my stall takings…advertise them..sell CDs of the new song ….

    Haven’t got much time though…we are training Running Dog Capitalist Lackey the Fourth at the moment…decided to skip the first three…

  398. Apart from the matchday programme The Gooner is the nearest you get to a newsletter….the blogsites are fast sweeping up any communciations efforts between supporters….

  399. Yes, yes, The Gooner. But what about one that supports Arsenal?

  400. Quite right and their website is crap….

    http://www.onlinegooner.com/

  401. I think the newsletter should have a regular cartoon called The Hacks, written by Muppet and illustrated by ??????

  402. None of the pictures seem to show at onlinegooner. Is that the same for you?

  403. Beginning to think ‘the hacks’ are no more or less supportive of Arsenal than the average Arsenal supporter….f***ing hell I had no idea it was getting this bad….

    No wonder the b**tards on the Board are happy to hide between Arsene Wenger

  404. Yep

  405. Arsene Wenger is in fact conjoined twins…with very little space between them..

  406. It’s interesting you should say that. I don’t read the hacks much, but radio and tv commentators always take it for granted that the Arsenal players are good, and they just say things like, “Arsenal’s usual slick passing isn’t quite working today.” Many fans, on the other hand, take it for granted that our players are sh*t. Maybe the cartoon should be called The Fans.

  407. THANKS FRANK _ THAT WAS THE EMAIL ADDRESS I THOUGHT> AM NOT SHOUTING HERE NOT A CAPS LOCK THING_ BUT A PAIN> ANYONE KNOW A WAY OUT OF HERE ?

  408. HELD THE ARROW KEY FOR CAPITAL LETTERS DOWN TOO LONG>

  409. Now every time a letter gets typed it makes a click.. shall soon be driven insane.

  410. Restart your computer.

  411. I think ‘The fans’ is a great idea…..

  412. Gosh. I go away for a few hours and the debate on eggs symmetry eveolved way beyond my ability to contribute to meaningfully. I am full of admiration for PZ and Frank.

    Glad to hear that training has started for Running Dog Capitalist Lackey the Fourth. Pewrhaps he could do tricks on those matchdays when we get fed up with Wet T Shirt Competitions?

    I am actually a member of AST and challenged them on the Colorado visit. Got an immediate email back in justification. They have always, to be fair, responded to emails I have sent them. Well, both of them anyway.

  413. Clearly AW is in the process of building a successful squad…within the constraints of the club business plan and the current and near future economic environment. In order to do that he has a plan which involves sensible spending and of course the development of young players…..and he is beginning to succeed.

    His messages are always very straightforward and reinforce his strategy…and they include the need to support the players. Lots of evidence though that this is not good enough for whatever reason for a number of supporters.

    The problem though is that the club communication strategy seems to be one dimensional…relying almost entirely upon AW to deliver his message.

    The rest of the management team (and I include the Board in this) should be promoting the values of the club and focusing upon the supporters….AW does the players…they need to do the supporters. This must include the constant reinforcement of the values that the club claims to uphold…..

    What values?…well AW is repsonsible for the technical side and has built a reputation for producing a wonderful style of football….takes time but it looks like it will be successful….BUT…apart from success on the pitch there has to be something else otherwise during times when we have not quite made it the supporters will not only whine and whinge….but they will f*** off….

    What is the something else?…..I would suggest that the club could build upon its reputation as an INNOVATOR…first to tour Europe….new training facilities and techniques…..first to host a film ….new youth policy….new stadium….lots of others….

    …also CLASS….we run the club as a successful business…not owned by one individual…..we volunteer to replay games if there is even the whiff of an unfair result…we are generous to a fault….we clap the opposition off if they deserve it….we always stay to the end to applaud our players…we can deal with loss as well as victory…you get the picture

    I know that success on the pitch is paramount but surely the Board can really get stuck into the supporter experience by building upon that reputation for INNOVATION and CLASS….personally I love the fact that Barcelona have UNICEF on their shirts….come on Board…WAKE UP.

  414. You think your boys at AST are doing a good job do you, Consolsbob?

  415. The problem of support is a huge problem and has been for a while but it is partly of the club’s own making.

    Many supporters have been priced out of the game. Its simple and these are some of the people who would make most noise.

    The club shamelessly courted the plastic corporates who generally don’t sing and will “support” another team at the first sign of trouble.

    Not recreating the North Bank and Clock End was the biggest mistake.

    The ticket prices are too high. They were previously justified as our was a “premium product” but since this is no longer the case prices should go down. Whether the club will do this or could afford to is another matter.

    The club also used the fact that we have so many on waiting lists to drive up prices. This waiting list could disappera or be reduced soon. How many now can afford a 1500 ticket?

  416. You know if you look around the blogs, the press articles…the media shows even…all you see is f***ing lumpkins trying to prove that they can pick a better team than AW…there is not even a wiff of understanding of supporters and what really makes them tick…not one of them is innovative or even constructive…never generate new ideas…never ever big hearted or generous….never creative….the hum from their whining and moaning is getting louder and louder and more and more high pitched….

  417. I agree with you AIC…but I still have a problem with season ticket holders (already paid for tickets) staying away…the Board are responsible and culpable and wrong…but so are the supporters….you don’t get off that easily

  418. @Poliziano – thanks for proposal about ‘The Hacks’ newsletter. I would be willing to contribute anytime.

    Frank – I agree with one of your proposals to let in more enthusiastic fans in place of vacant season ticket holders. This is reminiscient of Wimbledon ‘Sunday’ where it was open to the general public after rain delays. Instead of the quintessential middle class tossers with their balleted allocations, who, the majority by the way, can’t play tennis, we had an vociferous gathering of riff raff who made it so much more enjoyable.

  419. Well done Jack Wilshere…great stuff

  420. The middle class tossers at Wimbledon can make a good noise when they want to. For a lot of matches, I suppose, they don’t care who wins, so they have no reason to cheer. Surely not the case at Arsenal?

    I take it we’re all upper class on this blog.

  421. Don’t think I said that AST were doing a good job.

    Don’t think they are “my boys” either.

    I haven’t a clue what other members of AST get up to. Never been much of a joiner. Never been to one of their meetings with Board members or the CE.

    I did like the idea of owning a tineist bit of Arsenal though. Seemed fairly positive at the time.

    Still like the idea of doing something positive.

  422. What’s the lad done now, Frank ?

    (restarted PC, PZ and got there in the end. Thanks.)

  423. We know Howard is related to a Baronet.

  424. OK PB

  425. Lumpkins…great word! Nothing quite as boring as some lumpkin telling us all who he (rarely a she) thinks/knows who to play..Would rather read all Howard’s posts in one sitting..
    Howard – Baronet = ?? Will get there one day..

  426. “I hear John Terry is a very good dart player. Next time we play Chelsea, if we’re beating them again I might just drop in a line about beating him at darts too, just to wind him up.”- rvp

    i ‘ll say make him the captain

  427. Where is that from, santino?

    Oswald Mosley, leader of the British Union of Facists, was a Baronet.

  428. Ah!

    Howard

    Poliziano Muppet YW Passenal
    Frank Arsenalvision G4E

    ponyboy
    FFS Consolbob

  429. oh bugger.. it came out all wrong – but we can play anywhere…

  430. AIC – on the bench, today….

  431. I can play on the left or the right…I can kick with both feet…at the same time…used to play sack football as a child.

  432. I do beg your pardon, Consolsbob…you did say you were a member of AST…..which presumably meant precisely nothing?

  433. Ponyboy, Jack has been and gone and signed a contract.

  434. Ponyboy. How did you know that they called me Charlie when I was at school in the early Seventies?

    I’ll only sign if I can have the No11 shirt

  435. You need to put Muppet in goals, Ponyboy

  436. Consol – no probs, as i’m having no.14…
    Frank – guessed as much, but great news…now time for Theo to be sorted out; so no chocolate legs ? Mmmm…. You had better come on as an impact sub… Don’t wanna win 5-0 every game..

  437. oh, my daughter is coming.. and i had a post-festive restorative.. teeth, pb..clean them !!

  438. Absolutely nothing Frank.

    Sometimes you have to try something to see if it’s any good.

    For someone so positive, you don’t have get a down on people Frank. I’m sure that all those who joined AST thought they were doing something worthwhile, if only by reminding the board that supporters existed. There are few ways of doing that in modern football.

    Just another vehicle. Like this Blog. It may or may not actually achieve anything. Although I will say that this Blog is more fun than the AST has been. You do get a nice pin badge from the AST.

  439. But if Muppet is goalie, Howard will be upset.. and, him being a baronet’s offspring.. sorry, but class above ability in the ACLF team…

  440. Muppet’s upper class.

  441. lacks some english grit in that team

  442. HI All

    Sign me up too , I will take number 7 shirt.

    IF need be I will fly to London

    Up The Arse!!!

  443. certainly malaysiagooner will add some continental skills may be a little lightweigt but technically superb .there might be a issue with work permit

  444. ….down the tunnel chaps…..

  445. Howard can toss.

  446. cheers arsenal ladies

  447. u r dribling Frank watch the shoes

  448. There is a new post


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