MANCHESTER CITY 3 – 0 ARSENAL
1 – 0 Ireland (45)
2 – 0 Robinho (56)
3 – 0 Sturridge (pen 90)
A deliberate choice not to post yesterday. In view of the outcome at the City of Manchester stadium, I decided to take a step back.
The result was not surprising nor was the performance. A patchwork quilt of a side gave a bits and pieces of a performance. The decisive action Arsene made in removing Gallas as captain unsurprisingly meant he was not included in the squad for this match. I doubt his inclusion would have changed much, if anything. Under normal winning circumstances, the result could have been seen as inevitable but taken as a blip. These are not normal circumstances. The result is very much a continuation of the poor run of form exhibited by the squad in recent weeks.
Typically, the media reaction has been anything from vaguely reasonable to totally hysterical, the honour for which falls to Rob Beasley of News of the World infamy, who decided that the colour of Nicklas Bendtner’s boots summed up the crisis. Is there are crisis at the club? In terms of ability, no. In terms of confidence? Most definitely. Problematically for Arsene Wenger, that feeling will not be lifted in the stands by a win over Dinamo Kyiv this week. This time, sustained results, particularly against Chelsea at the weekend, are required.
Inevitably, the Gallic shadow cast by William Gallas’ actions is large and darkening Arsene’s doorstep. The media had been baying for blood and having stoically fought them off since St Andrews, little doubt that Wenger felt hugely let down by his compatriot. Stripping him of the captaincy was a swift and decisive action by the manager. Omitting him from the squad shows the effect it has had on Gallas mentally. He probably sees himself as the scapegoat. Reports suggest he believed the conversation with the journalist to have been off the record. How much truth there is in that is unknown by as much as it is believable, the opposite is also true. I was going to suggest that this could be an interesting chapter to read in his memoirs but it certainly will be in the paperback version, if not the hardback when it is released over here.
What does Wenger do with the defender? Unsubstantiated reporting suggests he has taken the relieving of his duties badly. Quotes attibuted to the player in Saturday morning’s press look suspiciously like old sayings regurgitated as far as finishing his playing days in France are concerned. For the match against Kyiv, it will take an enormous showing of character on Gallas’ part to participate. It will be a humiliating experience, his chastisement already public, his downfall confirmed as someone else leads out the side. It has been suggested that he and Fabregas – the people’s captain – do not see eye to eye, an easy and cheap accusation to make in the circumstances, the media knowing that no-one in the club will confirm or deny in light of Wenger’s refusal to broach the subject of the captaincy going forward.
Gallas’ character is going to show through in the coming weeks. As much as the media wanted to hang, draw and quarter him, they now need him to close the chapter. Indeed, that is a strong argument to get him to do an interview with ATVO or ATV to put things out in the open and, provided contrition is shown, draw a line under the affair, at least until he has left the club. If that is to be in January, Wenger will presumably only do so with a replacement lined up.
So to the match. There were few positives to take from it, save for the relief that it is out of the way. They can consider themselves unfortunate to have gone in a goal down at half time yet it was more comedy defending which put them in that position. Once more it was the left side with Clichy and Silvestre producing a gentleman’s excuse me for Ireland to capitalise on. Heads went down mentally and they were picked off in a counter-attack, Robinho showing impudence when finishing for the second. The penalty award in the last minute was almost irrelevant, harsh but symptomatic of the afternoon.
Bendtner has been criticised for being ineffective yet a forward is only as good as the service provided which on Saturday was negligible for the most part. That said, he should have done better with the limited opportunities which came his way, the difference between ‘making it’ and not is as marginal as the distance by which the Dane failed to make contact with the ball.
In defence, Djourou had a decent enough game in the circumstances providing the hope that a happier team situation might produce more solidity with the Swiss youngster in the side. Wenger will be hoping no doubt that Kolo Toure is fit for Tuesday for Hoyte was exposed for pace and positioning. It does not mean that he is not good enough, simply that he is not ready to come into a disrupted defence. Ramsey came on as a substitute and injected some urgency but to be honest, the circumstances before the game had too much impact for differences to be made, despite Wenger’s protestations to the contrary.
Arsene made much afterwards of not answering questions about Gallas, save to say that he had a future at the club publicly at least. That was a mistake in my opinion, not in the aspect of Gallas having a future but not answering questions in detail. It was surely better to have got that hurdle out of the way for he will have already made his decision about a long-term replacement before admonishing the former captain.
Wenger believes the team needs to have more than one leader. He is correct in that there has to be a show of character. He is wrong in that this team needs a strong leader, someone whose opinion and word they all respect. If that is Fabregas, so be it. Wenger’s other options appear only to be Toure or Almunia. Nothing against the goalkeeper but it is a position that cannot influence the game very readily. If there were other leaders on the pitch, that might be a solution but so far this season, there has been little to suggest that there has been.
’til Tomorrow.























Almunia being captain won’t take us anywhere, Wenger knows this better than anyone. I will be very disappointed to see it given to him, I like Almunia and i have backed him numerous times but he shouldnt be captain end of.
There is only really 2 candidates now, Cesc and Toure. Both players the fans love, and both players that will die for the club.. for me Clichy is way too inexperienced and he is proving that with a number of his errors lately. Take nothing away from him, i think he is the best left back around. But when you need to look to someone on the pitch for guidance or security,.. id prefer Toure or Cesc.
Giving it to Cesc will make all us fans very happy, it will lift the team… because we know we have a world class midfielder leading us. Remember Torres was a teenager when he was captain of Athletico Madrid!! Age dont necessarily matter, he is ready and is our only chance in turning our season around.
By: chris GOONA on November 24, 2008
at 9:37 am
Too major players were disgraced on Saturday…and both have been gradually diminishing in stature over the last few months but particulaly the last few week….the first is William Gallas….the second is the so-called supporters…
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 9:41 am
….actually there were two players who were too major
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 9:43 am
Great Post Yogi, I have said all along that we should give the Captaincy to Cesc. Not just because he is a world class player but because he genuinely cares about the club and also is very level headed in front of the cameras.
He is an intelligent young man who could really help the boys to rally around.
However, if he has eyes to move at some point in the near future then offering him the armband to try to keep him here is not right. He has to be captain because he wants to lead Arsenal not because it is a carrot to keep him here.
I don’t think Gallas can stay now his position within the team can now only be disruptive and if the armband was given to Cesc would Gallas be man enough to take instructions from him?? I doubt it.
By: drew10 on November 24, 2008
at 9:45 am
I am gutted. I don’t recall having faced such dire times as an Arsenal supporter. I may not be as old as some of the “older” supporters here; but if my short memory of being an Arsenal supporter serves me well, I don’t recall any November when we were speaking about Carling/FA Cups as reasonable targets vis-a-vis the Premiership.
By: Radgovin on November 24, 2008
at 9:46 am
Frank the whole club is disgraced, seems as if we are just rolling over and getting beaten. I am too ashamed of our performances, but its very early in the season, give Cesc the captaincy and lets move on from this.
Wenger has shown that he can be bold by removing Gallas as captain, if he leaves so be it.. it just shows to all of us that he didnt have the character to lead this team. He can blame them for being young and argueing all he wants, he has failed.
By: chris GOONA on November 24, 2008
at 9:47 am
I think you may be closer in age to some of the ‘older’ supporters than you think Radgovin…but of course you know that. As far as I am concerned we are still in four competitions…not looking good in the Prem but it is not yet lost…and the others are still very much there to play for.
Chin up…it has been worse than this….we can turn this round especially with some real support
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 9:51 am
What we need is a manager to get real.Wenger said the 3-0 scoreline was flattering to City.He is having a laugh it could easily have been 6 or 7. Gavin Hoyte is no better than his brother who we got rid of in the summer.The whole midfield was useless with Denilson shocking.They wre given the run around by Ireland and SWP.And Clichy is a shodow of the player we think he is.And dont get me started about that lump Bendtner up front,the 2008 version of Lee Chapman
Now Wenger is bring Gallas back into the team for the Kiev game.What a joke.Who is running the club Wenger or Gallas.Gallas should be out the door NOW.Would Ferguson have put up with his behaviour?
By: Aneta on November 24, 2008
at 9:53 am
Goodness me, Drew10, is that a teleprinter keyboard?
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 9:54 am
Do you expect a response to that, Aneta?
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 9:54 am
Frank
It is not the fans fault.The support at Eastlands was brilliant even when we were 2 down and having to watch us getting mullered.The problem is the stubborness of the manager.His faliure to strengthen the squad in the summer is killing us.Last season injuries cost us the title since then we have lost Helb,Flamini,Gilberto and Senderos and the squad is even weaker than last season
Unless Wenger does something in january results like saturday will become a habit.
Dont blame the fans blame the manager and the players
By: Peter Storeys Budgie on November 24, 2008
at 10:01 am
Frank cant blame the players, it goes against his Cyborg programming
By: Arse21 on November 24, 2008
at 10:03 am
Franks directive 4 -
‘Any criticism of Arsenals players even when they dont give a toss will result in shut down’
By: Arse21 on November 24, 2008
at 10:05 am
Compared to some “stalwarts” over here, I am but a kid. Nevertheless, I agree with you Frank that the team needs our support more than ever NOW. I just wish that I was in London to egg the team on as opposed to being in India!
By: Radgovin on November 24, 2008
at 10:05 am
YW
If AW is as ruthless as PHW was quoted as saying, then simply saying “Gallas has a future” might be the best in the circumstances.
“This issue has shown that Arsene can be ruthless. He has to be otherwise people can run all over you.
“As for whether Gallas has a future at the club, that will be up to Arsene. But I think Gallas has got a problem.
Arsene will advise the board over that and we will support him no matter what.”
PHW was remarkably open, in contrast to AW.
By: Luke on November 24, 2008
at 10:10 am
Maybe a “good guy, bad guy” routine between AW and PHW.
By: Luke on November 24, 2008
at 10:10 am
Radgovin,
Its not all the fans fault though is it? The players have to rise-up and make an effort first. If theres no effort then there wont be much support
By: Arse21 on November 24, 2008
at 10:11 am
Frank
I admire your optomism but you could not have watched the last two games.We are in crisis.
The team has no confidence,the manager has run out of ideas and he looks like he has lost the dreesing room
4th place is going to be a real struggle this season considering the easy fixtures we have had at the start of the season
Our season will be definded in January when Wenger HAS to buy a CH,a defensive midfielder or risk no CL football next season
By: Why Eboue? on November 24, 2008
at 10:12 am
Frank, that is a Spectrum, surely you are old enough to remember them.
Guys the fact is we have let too many leaders leave the club and not replaced them. Last season letting Henry go seemed like a master stroke. Wenger obviously thought the same may happen when letting Hleb go.
Let’s face it, we replaced Hleb with Nasri, but Wenger also assumed that Rosicky’s injury would have been better by now.
Flamini should have been no problem to replace within the ranks although it has proved to be otherwise. If we are honest we all thought Diaby would fill that roll easily.
Letting Senderos go was just daft in my opinion, I still maintain he was the kind of player we have needed in all these games we have lost. Big, Ugly and uncompromising and also a leader on the pitch, in terms of the way he plays at any rate.
Look at this midfield here, Gilberto, Diarra, Flamini, Hleb. Makes you think doesn’t it?
By: drew10 on November 24, 2008
at 10:13 am
I agree with Aneta.
Gallas should not get anywhere near an Arsenal shirt again, irrespecitive of how little other choices we have in defence.
If we have to take backward steps to go forward, then so be it. AW should have stripped him of the captaincy immediately after Birmingham last year, never mind now.
By: zicoinexile on November 24, 2008
at 10:13 am
lets face it we were pathetic on sat, are some of our players colour blind?? they keep passing to the opposition, i.e. song and denilson, diaby seems to want to beat 4-5 players before he thinks about passing, when ramsey came on he was like a breath of fresh air,why oh why did he not play ramsey and jack from the start,surley with so many injuries it was the ideal time.
unlike other people i do not think the season over sure 10 points behind but still 24 games to go and still in 3 cup comps so it is not all doom and gloom. I rember billy wrights team now that was a crisis for a few seasons, as you can see still a gooner till i die, 2-1 tuesday
By: samui gooner on November 24, 2008
at 10:16 am
These are turbulent times. However, if punter confidence can be restored, experts predict an upturn in performance inside the next couple of quarters.
Seriously though.
I’m going all Howard on this mofo! I think we need a couple of English – or British – players this January. And here’s why:
Now, I disagree that English players have more grit or fighting spirit than those from abroad. I just don’t buy it, an a casual glance at our recent history confirms that it is a myth.
Nevertheless, we are an English club with mostly English fans attending on match-days. You only have to listen to the chants of ‘Theo! Theo’ when our young English winger makes any contribution to know that he is held in high esteem by the fans.
I really don’t think that Walcott does more for the team than, say, Eboue or Denilson. It’s just that the fans identify with him more. It’s a pernicious attitude on their part, but that doesn’t matter; the fans won’t change. And foreign players have to do so much more to gain the respect of the fans than English or British ones.
One of the biggest problems we’ve faced this season – apart from the fetid bilge of pundits and hack-writers – is the lack of rapport between fans and team. Maybe a quick solution could be brought about by paying attention to a player’s passport for once, if only to get the fans behind the team.
By: Big Al on November 24, 2008
at 10:16 am
Big Al,
All of the best English players are too expensive and already CL cup-tied.
Any thoughts on anyone else we could bring in from these shores?
By: drew10 on November 24, 2008
at 10:19 am
What is a Spectrum, Drew10….is it a sort of teleprinter?
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 10:24 am
I say Wenger should give the finger to the fans. Fans are supposed to support the team, not the other way around.
Last season, the fans claimed that only Clichy, Sagna, and Fabregas were good enough for Arsenal. This season, Fabregas and Clichy have began to attract a lot of sniping as well. If Wenger wanted to appease the fans, he’d have to dispose of everyone but Sagna.
By: Poliziano on November 24, 2008
at 10:27 am
Wenger gave Gallas one more chance after the Birmingham fiasco when he should have been stripped of the captaincy.What are the other players going to think if they see has got away with it again?He made the same mistake with Adebayor in the summer.Kick out all the bad apples at the club
By: Why Eboue? on November 24, 2008
at 10:28 am
Whatever happens we need to respond by a show of togetherness no doubt bolstered by the return of one or more of our 9 first team absentees for upcoming fixtures.Good post as ususal Yogi though I disagree about Wenger needing to comment about Gallas after the game. I think that as much as the performance may have owed much to Gallas’s ill timed tirade and fragile confidence around the team he needed to analyse the perforance of the players that “turned out” on the pitch. Rather than inflate Billy’s ego any further than he has alreay inflated it.
No doubt Gallas raises some pertinent issues but as usual went about it totally the wrong way. Finding the right balance in midfield to sustain both attacking threat and defensive cover for the back four still seems to be the issue .However I think this player is within the club and hope he stands up to the challenge soon.
By: Gooner4Life on November 24, 2008
at 10:28 am
If Gallas truly believed that parts of what he said to a journalist in an interview can be “off the record”, then he ought to have his head examined.
By: Luke on November 24, 2008
at 10:31 am
Luke,
He’s a moron, just like Adebeyor and Van Persie. Selfish idiots who have ego’s the size of Ray Parlours ex-wife. There not up for the fight, there probably thinking about leaving
By: Arse21 on November 24, 2008
at 10:34 am
YW hit the nail on the head today.
I was so distressed that I am at loss for words the last 36 hours. No point saying I told any anything so. We need to get behind the team now more so than ever. These lads needs our support and despite his poor form Cesc is still in valuable to our midfield. Denilson seems to only play well with Cesc and no one else. Diaby fell to pieces likewise. These players are still boys that need one another to pull up their games so not ready to be consistent. AW will realised that by now and if not now I donot know when.
All said and done we are only 10 points behind the EPL leader but the rot has to stop NOW.
Come on you Gunners!!!
Up The Arse !!! Up The Arse!!! Up The Arse!!!
We are the Arsenal!!!!
By: Malaysiangunner on November 24, 2008
at 10:34 am
Drew 10,
Bruce Dyer?!
I’m not going to say who I think we should buy. In fact, if I made a couple of suggestions I’d be laughed off the blog! I think the players we could use would probably come from teams that aren’t in Europe. And these guys would definitely have less technical ability than the players we already have.
I’m thinking Ray Parlour standard – perhaps lower.
And if we did buy from European rivals, I don’t believe that having cup-tied English players would matter so much really; the players we have now seem to perform well in Europe.
I really don’t think the problem has anything to do with ability, just confidence. Like I say, the fans aren’t going to be won over by a team that’s not winning. And at the moment, it doesn’t seem possible for this young side to perform without the unreserved support of the fans that we saw in the ManU match.
I’m just offering my thoughts on a possible answer.
By: Big Al on November 24, 2008
at 10:37 am
Just a point of information….Peter the supporters were on the players backs at the Man City game…same as the Fulham game last year…it was horrible…
Most of the Arsenal players are deeply suspicious of the supporters now…there is no connection between the two…the supporters have been dising players on blogs for so long that it has a very, very negative effect…if you think that players don’t read blogs…you must be stark staring f***ing mad. I know little about football but I do know about motivation and these players are demotivated
It may well be the same with other teams…as you will no doubt tell me…..but we are not other clubs are we …..want to know why?…well …we are hip …we are cool ….we are Arsenal and we rule lalalalaaaah…lalalaaaaah…..lalaaaaaah
F*** the negative commenters, F*** the negative blogs, F*** the media…..F*** the press……get behind Arsene Wenger and the team…..this is the time to be a supporter….now…now…do it…stop whining and do it…
ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 10:37 am
I agree with mg
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 10:39 am
That’s a whole lotta F*ckin!
By: Poliziano on November 24, 2008
at 10:40 am
Frank,
Yes Frank its all the supporters fault.
Any thoughts on the players not giving a shit?
Dont talk about players needing motivation, the spuds were getting booed off the pitch by there WHOLE stadium and they’ve turned it around.
There professionals for fecks sake
By: Arse21 on November 24, 2008
at 10:41 am
No Arse21..it is about making a differecne as a supporter…your way won’t work it will lead to disaster…..if we get behind the team we might help raise their confidence….if we don’t we will make a bad situation worse…
The acid test for me is……Arse21…shall I pick you as a player or not……NO….like to but I can’t….you are too negative….I need a positive influence on team…….Nope…off you go….don’t need you
Did you ever get picked Arse21?…and if you did …did you win anything?
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 10:46 am
Do you think the players do read the blogs?
I hope they weren’t affected by Puff the Magic Dragon.
By: Poliziano on November 24, 2008
at 10:47 am
Oh I forgot…
Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal…..Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenaaa all….Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal……Arsenal…ARSENAL
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 10:47 am
Some had puffy eyes…as though they had been ….err…errrr don’t start me off……WAAAAAAHHHHHH….WAAAAAAAHHHHHHn
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 10:49 am
Frank
Therein is the eternal question. Supporters will support the team but if the team are not delivering, they should not expect to be immune from criticism. That said, the criticism should be constructive not destructive.
At the end of the day though, the reason there is little or no connection between the players and supporters is not down to them being criticised, it is down to the fact the players are wealthy and no longer mix in the same circles as the vast majority of fans. Those days are long over.
I would agree about negativity but at the end of the day, until the players deliver performances there is always going to be criticism. Indeed, even when the team is performing well, there is still criticism of certain players so plus ca change…
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on November 24, 2008
at 10:50 am
Know anything about these Spectrum things, Poliziano?…this Drew fellow has one as an aviator…avterburn…..havatar….you know? Why would you do that?…. have one of these Spectrum things as an………you know …thingy?
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 10:51 am
The fans are vital in helping our players fight for points right now… FIGHT is exactly what we are lacking. I agree to a point when some of you say its because they are foreign, but players like Cesc, Clichy, Toure, Van Persie all run like idiots for the whole game. You cannot blame their nationalities for our lack of form right now.
*CONFIDENCE is at an all time Low!!
*Our Captain has publicly criticised the team and never had complete backing from them and the fans!
*Pressure on our young players is growing to perform!
*Plus the media has been on our backs since opening day of the season!
Wenger will not want to suggest a crisis, but im afraid it is… I cant really criticise any players because they all are extremely poor as a unit.
Im just praying Wenger installs Cesc as Captain and somehow it turns our season around
By: chris GOONA on November 24, 2008
at 10:51 am
I remember a few years back, on days when the mighty Pascal Cygan used to play in defence.
The way the whole team played changed. It was as if they all stopped playing with so much confidence because everyone was a little concerned about what might happen behind them.
I think until we can sort out a good central defensive partnership, then everyone else is going to be worrying that errors will be made.
A lot of goals scored against us have been defensive lapses or soft set-plays and I think this affects the rest of the team more than we realise.
I don’t think we need to go crazy and sack all the kids and get in 10 new players, I reckon it should be Djourou + 1 other, even if that 1 other is Gallas, I don’t care. I just want some continuity.
By: miesner on November 24, 2008
at 10:52 am
Thanks, YW…logical conclusion is then that supporters are there to make things worse when they are bad….and make things better when they are good?…..and it doesn’t matter becuase they are just a bunch of rich kids anyway……oh dear oh dear oh dear……so what do we do? Give up?
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 10:53 am
I don’t know much about “Spectrums.” I think they might have used them at Bletchley. Perhaps Drew worked there at some time.
By: Poliziano on November 24, 2008
at 10:59 am
Fever Pitch was on last night and it reminded me of times when Arsenal were a tough side. I agree that the fans play their part but if the plyers do not care there isn’t much the fans can do.
The 1989 team did not have 20% of the skill of the current team but they could get a result in a stadium full of people baying for their blood. They were tough, experienced, battle-hardened.
The current crop are lazy, disinterested and over-indulged by the manager. Like Gallas said having too much too soon is a bad thing.The joke is that we are now considering giving RvP 80k a week. Can anyone tell me why? This guy is still as immature as when he arrived and has yet to complete a season or score 15 goals in 1 season, so why 80k a week? Its madness.
I can tolerate a team that is limited but puts in the effort and shows a willingness to battle and show that they care about the shirt and winning games. I do not see any of these qualities in these arrogant, spoilt kids who think that they have a divine right to win maches by just passing the ball around.
I hope that AW looks at his experiment and some of these players that he has invested so much time in and make the changes that are necessary instead of making excuses for his precious players. Its not too late for this season but we need to change and quickly.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 11:00 am
….wow, YW….I just read your last comment again……how utterly, utterly depressing…
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 11:01 am
Actually, YW……the floor is all yours and your negative guys…this is tough enough as it is…..I am off
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 11:02 am
Frank,
Please go and take your delusions with you.
Anyone who dares criticise “Master Wenger” is an infidel and must be banished.
Wake up.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 11:06 am
AIC
Overly harsh on the team. I do not think they are lazy, suffering severely from a lack of leadership and confidence. Arsene can give them the former but only they can bring back the latter.
To be honest, I suspect that they need to be told to forget everything that has gone before, to stop dwelling on their mistakes and to get back to the basics on controlling the ball, patience and scoring, backed up by a lot of hard work.
Their confidence must have got to such a point where maybe the change in captain is what they need to be given fresh impetus. Perhaps even to be told by Arsene to forget this season so far. To start afresh.
YW
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on November 24, 2008
at 11:11 am
Win back the Little Englanders. By Albion, buy British! Change the names of the foreign players:
Samir Nasri should be Samuel Nettles
Denilson should be Dennis Nelson
Alex Song is now Alex Sexton
Emmanuel Eboue becomes Neil Elderton
Kolo Toure is Colin Tudor
Johann Djourou should be John Drewe
Hey, that was fun!
By: Big Al on November 24, 2008
at 11:11 am
Wake up and see that we are destroyed?…is that your point……AIC?…still selectively reading comments I see…seen an opportunity with YWs comment have you?
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 11:15 am
Yogi,
This team do not work hard enough during matches which I why I say that they are lazy. We have been outworked by hungrier teams on a number of occasions this season and its not good enough.
I agree that they need a fresh start though.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 11:18 am
YW
That is exactly what the team needs… forget everything which has happened this season so far and get back to what we do best.
We are one of the best footballing sides on the planet on our day, nobody can argue that. Why are we trying to comprimise this to play ugly all of a sudden???
By: chris GOONA on November 24, 2008
at 11:18 am
Frank,
Wake up and see that we need to change.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 11:19 am
My prediction is that 10000 season ticket holders will not turn up on Tuesday night….and 10 minutes from the end there will 10000 Arsenal supporters left in the stadium….the floods out of the ground having started 10 minutes earlier…just like the Veeelllaa match…..no doubt you will be in the pub AIC….bawling at the players….they won’t hear you but you will still bawl….
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 11:20 am
As we are going through a bad patch…isn’t it self evident that we need to change?
One of the things that needs to change is the one thing that supporters can do……get behind the team…..
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 11:24 am
AIC
Change is indeed needed but not necessarily to the drastic extent that is being said. Centre back – yes, Gallas is going to need to show previously unseen depths of character to recover his motivation from this.
Who knows, perhaps losing the captaincy will make him a stronger player but I somehow doubt it as he appears to be too emotional. Interestingly, his website does not mention the events of the last few days.
There is a sense of desperation around due to the current form to the extent that a self-absorbed prick such as Piers Morgan gets given serious time of day.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on November 24, 2008
at 11:27 am
Negative? What does that mean. Telling it how one sees it in the hope of change or just shouting abuse. I would say the latter. the former? Just fair comment.
Many Arsenal fans believed this squad was too young at the start of this campaign and that we would not win anything this season. That didn’t really bother me as I am an Arsenal fan and believe in the club and in Arsene. It’s a long road.
The season is turning out to be worse than expected. This risks damaging the project that Arsene has been working on. Long term strength and financial sustainability. The good players will leave or have their development stunted by failure- some of it humiliating. The money will get tighter. It risks becoming a spiral.
I think that is a subject worthy of debate. It certainly should he aired even if a few posters find it unpalatable.
Personally, I don’t see much difference between our support at the Emirates and those at other London clubs. Yes, there are some new comers not steeped in the Arsenal of old. Well, we’ll take their money won’t we? The behaviour of some fans does, or should not, impact decisively on professionals. As someone commented earlier, look at Spurs.
We do need reinforcement or things could get a lot worse. We need more MEN in the side. Remember the great sides of the past? Who were the kids in the first double winning side? Extravantly gifted individuals like Charlie and Eddie. The rest were tough and seasoned pros. Same in GG’s and Arsense’s earlier winners.
Sorry Frank, that is just the truth.
My main concern now is that Arsene will not invest substantially in January . Two reasons. First, Wenger is on a mission. Secondly, if he spends then will he have any money left for the close season’s, presumably, planned purchases. We are not Man City or, thank the gods for it, Chelsea.
By: Consolsbob on November 24, 2008
at 11:28 am
Frank, the same thing happens all over the UK & Europe… whether the team is winning or not…
By: rev on November 24, 2008
at 11:28 am
Frank,
Supporters do need to get behind the team. I agree.
The problem is that many of the vocal supporters have been priced out of going to the games.
The fact that we did not recreated the North Bank and Clock End in the new stadium was a catastrophic error as now there is no atmosphere.
Courting the corporates hasn’t helped either. Fans are also tired of spending so much money on tickets. It was more justifiable when we had a better team but the board takes advantage of the fact that we have a huge season ticket queue and have used this to drive up prices.
The gap between club and supporters has never been greater so I can understand why people are unhappy.
So what if I watch games at the pub? I don’t want to spend £60 to watch a match in silence with one or 2 friends when I can watch for less in a pub or free at a friend’s with a big group. The board is taking the piss asking us to pay for the most expensive seats in the world. Its not justifiable.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 11:29 am
I think it’s ridiculous to say that the players don’t care or can’t be bothered.
Why don’t they care? Are they not sportsmen and therefore by nature intensely competitive? Is it not in their individual interest to give everything and win?
I think it is borderline xenophobic to suggest that they don’t care because they are not English.
Having said that, I do agree that some top quality English players would help in the eyes of some of our more base support and the media.
I believe that shaky confidence is the whole problem. This does come from being young and not having won anything of note.
Even before this crisis we were shaky. IMO opinion practically anytime we started a game firing on all cylinders, we would dominate and win or draw at the very worst.
If we start poorly, with the quick passing not coming off, heads drop and we have real trouble getting into our stride. This is when disaster strikes.
You know what though? We have been like this for years. Am I the only one who remembers intense frustration before the season of the invincibles and in most other seasons when we didn’t win the title? We often threw away games and leads despite having Vieira, Pires, Bergkamp, Henry et al at their prime.
I believe that this mercurial nature is part and parcel of AW’s sides. It is disingenuous to beat these youngsters over the head with their predecessors, when they were also inconsistent (albeit less spectacularly so) until things really clicked (spectacularly so) and made them one of the finest teams world football has ever seen.
I do think fine-tuning and confidence and above all; less bitching, less “I told you so” “Wenger has lost the plot” etc. can see this team achieve its potential.
Sincerely, where will we be if we lose Wenger this season? If we don’t help the players step up their game, we might.
Then how sweet will the” I told you so’s” taste?
By: Ian Dolent on November 24, 2008
at 11:29 am
Just back from a week in LA and i wish i had stayed there.
For me the situation is very black and white.
Firstly, we have too many players that are simply not good enough to win the Prem.
How many of our players would Man U, Chelsea or Liverpool want?
Secondly, too many of our players clearly do not have the heart or desire, or care enough about our club.
You can blame the fans all you like, and i for one would never boo at the stadium (not my own team anyway!), but you can understand certain sections getting upset when they can see the decline of our team happening in front of their eyes.
By: Matt on November 24, 2008
at 11:29 am
IT is easy to captain a side that is winning.
IT is easy to support a side that is winning.
Whatever is happening at the moment, for me, always, ARSENAL. ARSENAL. ARSENAL!!!!!!!!!!
By: TC on November 24, 2008
at 11:30 am
“Gavin Hoyte is no better than his brother who we got rid of in the summer”
18 year old making his enforced debut (4th or 5th choice RB) because of a highly unusual circumstance. Caught out for the 2nd goal but didn’t do too badly considering he was up against a team that actually has 2 high class wingers.
It is comments like that make Frank, so right.
The team needs support now like never before, in this era. Those that cannot give it are only helping to self fulfill their own (invalid by & large in my opinion) arguments.
We have a lot of quality but that is not the only ingredient. You have to have faith, spirit & confidence.
Are all the supporters helping with those latter aspects?
When we eventually are successful will you, hand on heart, look back on this period & believe that you genuinely will deserve enjoying it?
I wouldn’t want to play for a lot of these so called fans.
YW
Good piece. Disagree about AW talking about Gallas. There was no doubt a bust up between the 2 & they will need to talk again before AW can make any real commnts on the matter.
By: Flint McCullough on November 24, 2008
at 11:32 am
Frank
Such negativity, tsk, tsk.
Despite feeling lower than the lowest thing in lowtown today, I have faith that there will be a full house on Tuesday and that we will be supportive of the team.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on November 24, 2008
at 11:34 am
Ah, Piers Morgan. I was hoping someone would address that querulous halfwit. He slates Wenger for being stubborn, but the man has cut a wretched little niche for himself by obstinately targeting the LCD – like a dirty little insect burrowing in a turd.
What a c*ntsmith! He should really stick to what he knows: Editing a sh*t newspaper. Actually he didn’t do that very well either.
Hang on, who gave him the time of day?
By: Big Al on November 24, 2008
at 11:38 am
keep telling ya, get Delap and Kev Davis. Theyll sort out song etc.
By: max_underwood on November 24, 2008
at 11:38 am
Excellent Ian & so true.
People have short memories & forget that the Paddys, TAs, DB10s were going to places like Bradford & losing.
This bold experiment, forced out of necessity, should be allowed to run its course. This dip is an essential element, in a learning process. I feel May 2010 will be when we can really say it is working or not.
I hope we haven’t driven AW & Cesc out before we get there.
By: Flint McCullough on November 24, 2008
at 11:42 am
Hey guys – lighten up. It’s just a game of football. Don’t identify so much. Why should you feel ashamed? It’s not you out there!
The bad days are just there to make the good days feel even better. Meantime, get on with life. If we don’t win anything this season, there’s always another season.
It’s not like the Greenland Ice Cap has melted and the Emirates is under 30 metres of water.
That’s next year LOL
By: dkgooner on November 24, 2008
at 11:43 am
Frank… my prediction is for Arsenal to pull together and forget all the little mistakes we have been making and put a run of wins together.
Good team dont turn bad over night people, i remember 6 months ago boasting to all my friends how we play the best football in the world. This really really poor run has not changed anything if we can get our act together. Think we are all forgetting how good are players were. I accept your as only as good as your last game, but i really do believe we can get over this and become a stronger group for it.
By: chris GOONA on November 24, 2008
at 11:44 am
Al
Have a look around – the majority of the press (including the broadsheets) are now speculating on Wenger’s future.
Piers Morgan is the Leader of their Gang…
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on November 24, 2008
at 11:45 am
“I do think fine-tuning and confidence and above all; less bitching, less “I told you so” “Wenger has lost the plot” etc. can see this team achieve its potential.
Sincerely, where will we be if we lose Wenger this season? If we don’t help the players step up their game, we might.
Then how sweet will the” I told you so’s” taste?”
Great points Ian.
What upsets me is that some people seem happier when the team fail, just so they can be proven right. Their egos appear to be more important than the success of the team.
It’s one thing to be critical and give your opinion of where you think the team is going wrong, but there needs to be some balance as well. These are the same players who have played and won some great games this season. To suggest that they are suddenly not good enough is very short-sighted indeed. Football is a lot about confidence and self-belief – this is where the supporters can really help the team.
Above all I’m pleased to say that apart from the usual suspects, reading around the blogs there are also a number of fans who recognise that we need to come together and back the team at a difficult time. That gives me some hope that all is not lost.
By: Passenal on November 24, 2008
at 11:49 am
YW – easy answer is, Don’t read the press. Their job is write stuff that sells newspapers and gets them a pay check at the end of the month. 99% of it is pure reactive garbage.
)
A bit like some of my posts actually.
By: dkgooner on November 24, 2008
at 11:52 am
It isn’t negative, YW …whatever tsk, tsk means….we need to get supporters to really support the team…try to lend a hand there’s a good fellow.
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 11:52 am
Flint
The only time Wenger will go is if the supporters in the stadium turn against him. Much as the players might flick through the blogs from time to time, I believe it is the support that they get on the matchday that means more to them.
As for Cesc – the captaincy would, I think, postpone his somewhat inevitable departure for maybe a couple of seasons. Inevitable? Because I think he has the desire to prove himself in his homeland before he retires and even winning the Premier and Champions Leagues would not quell that.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on November 24, 2008
at 11:54 am
And don’t forget what the press was saying two weeks ago after Man U and Wigan. That every manager in England envied Wenger’s squad. Now, suddenly, they’re a bunch of useless turds.
Get some bloody perspective.
By: dkgooner on November 24, 2008
at 11:54 am
Too true YW. Cesc will go, AW will go, they’ll all go and only Arsenal will go on.
Oh, and Usmanov.
By: dkgooner on November 24, 2008
at 11:56 am
This article is worth a read for an alternative perspective on Wenger’s actions
http://www.arsenaladdict.com/home/2008/11/24/the-real-reason-arsene-wenger-dropped-gallas.html
By: Passenal on November 24, 2008
at 11:57 am
Yes and we need the supporters in the stadium to get behind the team….in other words everyone turns up and as many as possible sing or chant etc.
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 11:59 am
…..and the fans of course. (Whoops – sorry Frank)
By: dkgooner on November 24, 2008
at 12:01 pm
To deliberately misquote Harold Wilson (who he?)
“a week is a long time in football”.
And when Shankly said football was more important than life or death, he was joking!
By: dkgooner on November 24, 2008
at 12:02 pm
Well I hope the fans will still be there, dkgooner…I hope so….
Passenal..what a brilliant article…a billion thanks…
Wan Arsene Wenger…theres only wan Arsene Wenger…Wan Arsene Weeennnggggeeerrr…theres only wan Arsene Weeennngggeeerrr
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 12:04 pm
“We do need reinforcement or things could get a lot worse. We need more MEN in the side. Remember the great sides of the past? Who were the kids in the first double winning side? Extravantly gifted individuals like Charlie and Eddie. The rest were tough and seasoned pros. Same in GG’s and Arsense’s earlier winners.”
That takes the biscuit!!!
Arsenal double winning side 1971
Bob Wilson- Joined club 1963 regular from 1968
Pat Rice- club junior 1971 1st season as regular
Bob McNab- Joined club 1966 in his early 20s.
Peter Storey- Junior got in the team c1965
Frank Mclintock- Joined c1963 in his mid 20s
Peter Simpson- Junior regular from 1966
George Armstrong- Junior in team c1961
George Graham- Joined 1966 in his mid 20s
John Radford- Junior regular from c 1965
Ray Kennedy- Junior 1971 1st full season
Charlie George- Junior 1971 2nd regular season
Jon Sammels- Junior regular c1964
John Roberts- Joined c1971 from Northampton
Sammy Nelson- Junior 2/3 games 1971
Peter Marinello- Young big money signing, 1 or 2 games 1971 but never fulfilled his potential.
Anyone else see the parallels?
Those blokes went through a lot of tough times before their great achievement.
Same can be said of GGs title winning teams.
By: Flint McCullough on November 24, 2008
at 12:04 pm
What a star, Flint…what a star.
ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 12:06 pm
Passenal,
This season is in danger of implosion and yet little was done in the summer to plug some obvious gaps in the squad. Are we supposed to be happy about this?
This team does have potential but does putting players in who are not ready for a title challenge do them more harm that good in the long-run? We will see.
There is no question of not backing AW; his record is such that he deserves the chance to put things right at the very least but we need to see some action instead of the tired old excuses.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 12:08 pm
Sorry forgot the great Eddie Kelly.
Another junior making his way into the team at the time.
QED??
By: Flint McCullough on November 24, 2008
at 12:10 pm
Wan Flint McCullough…theres only wan Flint McCullough……wan Flint Mcuuulllllloooouuuggghh….theres only wan Flint McCuuullllooouuuggghh…..
well two actually…the others a cowboy….but….well the fact remains…from an Arsenal point of view theres only one.
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 12:10 pm
I don’t think that the fans were ever convinced by the positivity of 2 weeks ago, DK. The atmosphere was fantastic when we played ManU, but the fans were morose again when Villa showed up. It’s been like that since last April.
Perhaps it’s the gloomy times. It costs a lot of money to go and see the Arsenal, and people are currently evaluating certain aspects of their lives in terms of value for money. For too many fans, going to watch Arsenal lose is like paying a lot of money to see a sh*t film. I think they need to be made aware that they CAN change the script.
I’m just not sure if that’ll happen. Hence my silly comments about recruiting English players.
All fans are aware of the problems. Some are willing to do their part to solve them, rather than complain and add exacerbate the crisis in confidence. I don’t know if they can make a difference right now, but there’s no harm in trying.
By: Big Al on November 24, 2008
at 12:10 pm
WENGER IN DENIAL.
The pathetic and predictable course of events have taken a turn for the worse. As the club hurtles towards its nadir, I was anxious to see what wenger had to say about our present predicament.
And the answers provided by our manager post city has left me DEEPLY DISAPPOINTED.
I have to say, the fans deserve some honesty from wenger now. His statements post city just reeked of ARROGANCE and total LACK OF HUMILITY.
He is simply refusing acknowledge that mistakes have been made and that there are problems. Now, I am disappointed just as any other fan about our recent results but that CAN BE WORKED UPON.
But first there has to be the acceptance that mistakes have been made, its nothing to be ashamed of. If that is done, we can all get behind arsene and get things done to set it right.
The defeat is a side issue, it happens, its football, but denial of the existence of problems removes the scope of remedying it.
I STILL BACK ARSENE, at this moment in time, but he needs to be more honest with us now. The situation can still be worked out.
BUT IF, he continues to take this CONFRONTATIONAL STAND, then I am sorry to say, that it would be dangerous to the club as a whole and that it would be best for wenger and the club to part ways!
Cheers all!!
By: Naga gunner on November 24, 2008
at 12:10 pm
Oh shut up, AIC
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 12:10 pm
Frank,
Why don’t you just f*** off.
You are a sad, pathetic figure who brands anyone who disagrees with you as a traitor. You have no ability to make reasoned judgement but instead rely on blind optimism to mask some very large problems. If you were honest enough to admit the problems then maybe things would change.
Typing ARSENAL numerous times does not change the fact that currently this is the worst Arsenal team under Wenger.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 12:14 pm
If that is backing Arsene Wenger, NG…then lord help him when you turn against him…
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 12:14 pm
….oh shut up, AIC
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 12:16 pm
Boys
Play nicely
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on November 24, 2008
at 12:19 pm
People could see this coming but AW chose to do little about it and our season is in jeopardy.
Lee Dixon revealed that Gallas was kept as captain due to a lack of alternatives. Well if the average age of the team is 20 how can you expect there to be alternatives.
Once again on Saturday we were given the “immaturity” excuse by AW. Who’s fault is that? I don’t blame some of these players as they are just not ready. It could be that that there are too many inexperienced players in the team at once which causes an imbalance.
I am hoping that Eddy and Tom make a difference but it is a lot to ask. I would give Ramsey and Vela more time also.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 12:20 pm
Frank,
You just don’t like the fact that sol, I and the other “traitors” were right in that we could see this happening in the summer.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 12:22 pm
Naga,
Well said. You have identified where most of the problems lie. I hope AWis not in denial privately as otherwise nothing will change.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 12:26 pm
AIC
Once again on Saturday we were given the “immaturity” excuse by AW…It could be that that there are too many inexperienced players in the team at once which causes an imbalance.
I would give Ramsey and Vela more time
Surely you are putting forward contradictory viewpoints in those two statements? If the team is inexperienced, Vela and Ramsey are not going to improve it from that point of view.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on November 24, 2008
at 12:26 pm
Yogi,
You don’t find me acting like the Thought Police on this blog and I only react if attacked from the likes of Frank.
I prefer to debate issues rather that just chat incessent and irrelevant shite.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 12:27 pm
There is too much emphasis on what Wenger is saying, almost every word he says is irritating to our fans. Yes we have problems with his favoritism, choice of players, and his adamant persistence. But This is his CHARACTER, it has always been. Just because the man is having his worst time since joining us, we are all picking on this, we have long admired him for this philosophy, but now that he has got some average players in starting-11 we are really agitated. This is emotional but also understandable. I hope older fans like Frank don’t pick on such reactions.
By: Rocky on November 24, 2008
at 12:29 pm
I will be there tomorrow, i have a feeling this is going to spring board our season. I hope that Gallas is not playing tomorrow, I really dont think we need him. Our defensive record has hardly been impressive with him at the back and with the disruption he has caused off the pitch I dont want to see that Chavski player in our colours ever again. I want to see Fabregas come out as captain tomorrow, I want to see everyone behind the team more than ever and a great game of football. Bringing Gallas back in in any capacity will cause disruptions, he should be put on gardening leave and shipped back to France ASAP. I wouldnt even want him training with everyone else.
I cant believe everyone has been slagging off individual players, they quiet clearly do have the talent and the ability to destroy any team however we lack team unity and we dont have a solid centre back partnership. Gallas goes, bring in someone to replace him and boost the defensive core of the team. Fabregas captain and our season will be back on track. We are seen as out of the titel race, there should be no pressure and that is when we can show our stuff in the league.
By: Marcus Field on November 24, 2008
at 12:29 pm
Now, now girls.
There is absolutely no question that everyone who reads this (very good) blog supports Wenger.
I for one think he is the greatest manager we have ever had, and probably will have, and is a genius.
But that doesnt mean we cant intelligently question some of his decisions.
Can anyone hand on heart say that they dont think that the squad needed improving in the summer, preferably with some experienced players?
By: Matt on November 24, 2008
at 12:29 pm
Yogi,
We have no other alternatives despite the “immaturity”. I highlighted this to show that AW can’t complain of immaturity as he assembled an “immature” team.
There is little to chose from Ramsey or Denilson in terms of maturity, ditto Vela and Bendtner.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 12:29 pm
AIC 12:22,
I think you’re unfairly targeted by some on here, but that’s the ugliest comment you’ve ever left on this blog. Just to see where I’m coming from, have a look at Passenal and Flint’s comments from earlier.
I usually ask myself, what’s the point of being ‘right’ if it’s not in my interests as an Arsenal fan? What do I have to gain from my worst fears being realized? Meanwhile adding to the general malaise around the club can only make things worse. Kind of like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Anyhoo, that’s the way I see it.
By: Big Al on November 24, 2008
at 12:36 pm
ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL….just being emotional, Rocky
Wan Arsene Wenger…theres only wan Arsene Wenger…Wan Arsene Weeennnnggggeeeerrr…theres only wan Arsene Weeennnggggeeerrrr
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 12:36 pm
We should support this club but we also have the right to criticise. There are things we need to sort out and by highlighting weaknesses and strengths we can get better. However I feel many views lack enough real basis to be true or not true so if one person doesn’t agree they are not right or wrong.
I think Gallas has a lot to offer still and hopefully he has learned from his mistakes as he is our best defender at reading the game and would be best if he someone that compliments him i.e. aggressive and tall. The best option for me would be Djourou as how much goals has Silvestre let in. I know it’s not all his fault but I have not been convinced yet by him.
By: The Brain on November 24, 2008
at 12:38 pm
Sorry to unfairly target you, AIC
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 12:38 pm
…where are you going to, Big Al?
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 12:40 pm
Just like my views. But I like to analyse games and want to be a coach so getting things wrong is not really an option.
By: The Brain on November 24, 2008
at 12:40 pm
Wembley, hopefully. Or how about Islington in May to see the open top bus!
By: Big Al on November 24, 2008
at 12:43 pm
Big Al,
I don’t get any pleasure out of it. I was trying to understand why Frank insists on rubbishing my posts and offered that as a reason.
The reason I have gone on and on is that I feared for this season, I really did, but it seems that I was wrong. Things are even worse than I thought they would be. I take no pleasure in this at all, none whatsoever.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 12:45 pm
Big Al,
As for adding to the malaise, I just say things as I see them or how I feel. Its simple.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 12:46 pm
I spoke with a spud fan, they are all happy that we want to push Wenger out, the one man who has carried us through a phase where it seemed only big money could buy success. People say Wenger doesn’t spend frugally. But it’s just Arsenal tradition. Honestly, it’s Dein who usually forces likes of PHW and the rest of the board to approve purchases. So thanks to Dein for Platt, and Bergkamp. But I honestly think there is no way PHW and the board would substitute this profit for 30m purchases, only a person like Dein could bring that through.
It’s not just Wenger who is wanting this, it’s Arsenal as a club/company that has set out with this strategy to see profit. The best thing we could expect is to bring back Dein.
By: Rocky on November 24, 2008
at 12:47 pm
I’m going there too….see you there then.
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 12:47 pm
AIC
Surely you cannot judge the season until it is over? Things are indeed pretty grim at the moment but form is temporary…
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on November 24, 2008
at 12:47 pm
“There is absolutely no question that everyone who reads this (very good) blog supports Wenger”
Some of you have a strange way of showing it.
We have a huge base of talent at the club.
The people, constantly slagging him & his players off, remind me of the record company (was it Decca, YW?) that turned down the Beatles.
It is also like pouring young vintage wine down the drain because it does not taste so good, right now.
The interest is in finding the maturity like 1971, 1989-91 & 2002-2004.
No pain no gain.
By: Flint McCullough on November 24, 2008
at 12:47 pm
Let’s be honest AIC. We don’t come on here to “debate the issues”. We come on here to mouth off a bit. And slag off anyone who doen’t agree with us, in the case of you and Frank, like a couple of old queens you are.
Sometimes I agree with you, sometimes I don’t – but I think it’s pretty pointless “debating”, as you call it. With anyone, not just you.
I say what I think and ignore most of the comebacks. Somedays I’m feeling pretty jovial, like today, and somedays I’m down in the dumps, like on Saturday around 18.00 CET, as the cat discovered. As YW also says in his opening comment, not a good time to post I’ve discovered – no perspective.
Many of us have been supporting/following Arsenal a long term – in my case since 1969 when I first moved to London to become a hippie. We’ve seen the ups and downs and know it’s part of the deal. No point in whinging really, although it’s hard not to at times.
We’ve still got more points than Tottenham.
By: dkgooner on November 24, 2008
at 12:50 pm
Yogi,
I still have hope for the CL or FA Cup. I am not giving in here at all.
The Prem has gone so we need to get 4th.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 12:52 pm
dk,
I like debating issues and sounding off as you say. Its not over for this season but changes must be made. Attitude being the biggest need.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 12:53 pm
AIC,
Fair enough.
I think I’m just a wee nipper on here, so I’m not going to telly anyone what to write, but a bit of occasional levity wouldn’t go amiss.
OK, I’m going to be unseen and not heard for a while!
By: Big Al on November 24, 2008
at 12:53 pm
Big Al,
Don’t go!
We have enough people not posting at the moment without you adding to the list.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 1:01 pm
Frank – I’m sure the real supporters will always be there. By supporter, I mean someone who pays money every week to go to the stadium – financial as well as vocal support. Not me because I decided when it went all-seater that the product was overpriced – for me that is. It’s all a matter of priorities I guess. I think now the cheapest season ticket is around £1,000 – so about £35 a game at best if you never miss one. That’s OTT in my opinion. So now I just call myself a fan or a follower.
But after such a long time, it gets in your blood a bit and is almost impossible to get rid of.
Keep shouting.
By: dkgooner on November 24, 2008
at 1:02 pm
Flint,
It was indeed Decca although it is believed that in turning down the Beatles, they signed the Rolling Stones so a touch of swings and roundabouts I think.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on November 24, 2008
at 1:05 pm
Now I have to get some work done.
There are far too many typos in my posts as it is!!
Post in haste, repent at leisure.
By: dkgooner on November 24, 2008
at 1:05 pm
AIC,
No, just for today; it’s lunchtime! No self-indulgent swan songs from me.
By: Big Al on November 24, 2008
at 1:06 pm
The DOWNFALL here, Yogi, is AW with his kink of Arsenal he has been building for the last four years. Isn’t it time AW come out as a proud man and appologize publicly to Arsenal fans that he has got it wrong, that he is going to fix it?
Yogi, kid who you want to kid, the usual, Big Al, Frank…
Gallas remains the only top CLASS defender we’ve got, you like it or not; and no matter who will be our new captain, we will lose more games as long as Denilson and Fabregas remain our major players in midfield, with that clown, Bentner in attack.
By: lc on November 24, 2008
at 1:11 pm
Flint. Sorry to see you joining the knee jerk slaggers on this site.
My point was that the ‘71 team had plenty of mature players that a few talented youngsters could develop alongside – and occasionally show off to great effect- like Charlie. That side had been strengthened in previous seasons and some players did not make it, youngsters and buys alike.
The current side is not a safe place to grow up.
I stick by that.
By: Consolsbob on November 24, 2008
at 1:12 pm
lc
>Gallas remains the only top CLASS defender we’ve got
Is he? His form this season suggests otherwise and indeed, he is fortunate that when the mistakes were made, he was captain. For me, he has been no better than Toure.
>Yogi, kid who you want to kid
I think that the people here are of strong enough minds to decide their opinions for themselves rather than being suckered in by this charmless snake oil salesman.
>AW with his kink of Arsenal
Sometimes typo’s bring levity to a day
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on November 24, 2008
at 1:17 pm
Breaking news on Guardian:
Cesc is new captain.
Willie in squad to face Kiev.
By: dkgooner on November 24, 2008
at 1:22 pm
Good news.
By: The Brain on November 24, 2008
at 1:29 pm
Agreed Brain – but not all will think so.
Watch this space!
By: dkgooner on November 24, 2008
at 1:31 pm
“kink of” for kind of.
Yogi,
please, please!
William Gallas has gone public with his criticism of team mates; and I have condamned it; but I don’t think our current downfall has anything to do with his out-spoken manner or performance.
Denilson and Fabregas are not the type of midfield to protect our back four. That is one problem; the other is playing Bentner upfront most of the time while keeping Vela on the bunch.
By: lc on November 24, 2008
at 1:35 pm
IC – don’t you mean “keeping Vela IN the bunch”?
By: dkgooner on November 24, 2008
at 1:36 pm
i’m looking forward to tmrw night i think we’ll win by 3 or 4… if not, sometimes you just gotta hit rock bottom before you make your back up again.
sometimes there is no substitute for experience.
We lost two experienced players in Hleb & Flamini & AW took a gamble replacing them with youth…
We’ll see two experienced players come in January & we’ll be back on track.
i personally think if we’d have kept hold of Hleb & Flamini we’d have won the league this year, but them’s the apples. The team will have learnt alot this past few weeks & that can only be a good thing.
By: rev on November 24, 2008
at 1:38 pm
dkgooner,
Mistake : AW is keeping Vela on the BENCH
instead of starting games with him.
Vela is far better player than Bentner. I see him as a natural replacement of Eduardo.
By: lc on November 24, 2008
at 1:41 pm
lc, I think the main criticism of Gallas has centred around his ill considered public condemnation of his team mates. His performances on field have been hit and miss this season, like many of his team mates, so it’s hardly slagging him off to say so.
I wish Cesc good luck in the role – he has wanted this for a long time and he is a player who rises to the big occasion. Let’s hope he has the full support of his team mates.
By: Passenal on November 24, 2008
at 1:41 pm
GENTLEMEN AS FRANK will confirm I am now the revered Mr. elder statesman on this blog and ALEX although I am a traitor I did I think prove to Frank and others that I have supported and been involved personally with AFC for 60 years. WENGER HAS BEEN OUR BEST MANAGER IN THAT WHOLE PERIOD, BUT NOW HIS ECONOMICS DEGREE AND STUBBORNESS NEED TO BE CORRECTED. WE ARE NOT A POOR CLUB THERE IS NO FINANCIAL CRISIS BUT THERE WILL BE IF WE NOT IN THE ECL NEXT SEASON
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 1:42 pm
lc
I don’t think Vela could play the lone striker role; he simply is not that kind of player. He might be a better option in a 442 but up front is what it is.
Bendtner has done little in this role to suggest that he is ready for an extended run in the side but it is hard to judge how much of it is him and how much is down to poor play by the team in general.
I do not disagree about Fabregas / Denilson as a pairing. I have long said that the Brazilian is too similar to Cesc. That said it is Denilson who has played well for the most part this season. If AW signs a midfielder this January, it will be he who makes way. After all, Wenger is not going to drop his captain, is he….?
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on November 24, 2008
at 1:44 pm
Ic – doh, silly me!
By: dkgooner on November 24, 2008
at 1:45 pm
Do they have bananas in Mexico?
I thought bananas came from Costa Rica.
By: dkgooner on November 24, 2008
at 1:45 pm
Do you like my new monocle?
By: dkgooner on November 24, 2008
at 1:48 pm
See
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By: dkgooner on November 24, 2008
at 1:49 pm
I agree with Ic, Passenal,
Yogi WG has not been a top class defender this season, and Vela started in most of his games in Spain and should do so now with us
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 1:50 pm
so same squad as last year appart from Heleb and Flamini.
By: simon on November 24, 2008
at 1:50 pm
Is Cesc really made a captain?
Oh, I had my reservations about the notion of Cesc being captain, because it’d puttoo much pressure on Cesc’s shoulders.
However,
I have seen Cesc being a true leader after the manu home game last season. So if Cesc has no problem with that, I’m happy.
Here’s to the bright new start for the season!!
(Sh*t, Nasri’s injured!)
By: TC on November 24, 2008
at 1:55 pm
Oh Verbal is back …..have you done some more research, Solgooner……you know who Verbal is surely?
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 1:56 pm
Solgunner – elder statesman you may be but revered? Hmmmmmm.
By whom?
By: dkgooner on November 24, 2008
at 1:58 pm
Tell Solgooner who Verbal is dkgooner…go on.
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 2:00 pm
Frank, some people just don’t get you, but you crack me up!
By: Passenal on November 24, 2008
at 2:04 pm
Well helloo, Passenal….you know who Verbal is don’t you.. Don’t tell em….just between you and me…
Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal….Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenaaaa all….Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal,….Arsenal….ARSENAL
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 2:10 pm
Must be you Frank – must be you.
Verbal dia…. – just a mo – check the spelling.
diarrhoea (Chambers English Dictionary)
By: dkgooner on November 24, 2008
at 2:21 pm
Consolsbob
“Many Arsenal fans believed this squad was too young at the start of this campaign and that we would not win anything this season. That didn’t really bother me as I am an Arsenal fan and believe in the club and in Arsene. It’s a long road”
That is something I entirely endorse.
It feels strange to be accused of a “knee jerk” reaction when what I have bashed on & on about is the need for patience.
The only recent purchase in the 70/71 Double side was John Roberts. He was an industrial CB, who played the 1st 12 or so games because “Super Stan” Simpson was injured. Peter Marinello had been at the club for 2 years but hardly played.
Perhaps I should elaborate on the similarities.
The point is that the MEN in the 1971 team finished low mid table the season before & were knocked out early in both cups (FA Cup by Blackpool 2-3, after being 2-0 up). They did however win the Fairs Cup, which still remains my fondest memory.
Ray Kennedy (aka Bentner), for example, came in & was poor in a 0-3 home defeat against Chelsea. You would never imagine that he would score a crucial goal in winning the Fairs Cup & become a stalwart of the following season.
What I am saying is that you have to allow the current boys to become the MEN that they will be, soon enough.
Some wont make it but with AW in charge the balance will be right sooner or later.
For those like AIC, who maybe have a point, there is often more going on than meets the eye & just possibly the players who might improve our team are a) hard to identify & b) even harder to obtain.
As AW said AC Milan, a club that knows a thing or 2 about defenders, were looking for a CB & ended up with Swiss T. Could be significant perhaps in telling what the market is like.
By: Flint McCullough on November 24, 2008
at 2:24 pm
Yogi,
The point I am trying to make about Gallas is that he cares a lof about Arsenal, and his reaction was just like the reaction of a frustrated Arsenal fan. Don’t forget, the French are usually out-spoken people.
Gallas is a winner and these people hate losing. There are things he sees in the dressing room as well as on the training pitch; may be he had enough of them and he decided to take it publicly, allowing AW to do something about it.
Also, I think he didn’t want the captaincy, because he could see that he had lost respect of some of the players. This could explain why he did this the same week his book came out, then playing tomorrow doesn’t frustrate him eiher.
Vela can play on his own upfront because defenders will struggle with his pace and skill on the ball. He also can shoot from distance and link up play better than Bentner.
By: lc on November 24, 2008
at 2:24 pm
Diaby and Nasri both injured.
Does AW start Jack in a game, or is it too soon?
Who else do we have who can play wide?
By: Matt on November 24, 2008
at 2:29 pm
dk
Love your writings:
“Post in haste, repent at leisure.”
“I say what I think and ignore most of the comebacks.”
By: Luke on November 24, 2008
at 2:31 pm
No, dk…you are wrong…about Verbal anyway…the diarrhoea part….how kind of you.
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 2:37 pm
I hope the sagely types who knew the truth about what is wrong with Arsenal post less. They may have a point here and there, but it is becoming repetitive. When the chips are down, it is even more important to believe that tomorrow will be a better day and be positive. Our run of injuries and an unstable captain has done enough to make the last couple of weeks a terrible period. While I’m prepare for things to get worse (?) before they become better, I’m still hopeful that tomorrow will be the beginning of better days ahead.
By: Luke on November 24, 2008
at 2:38 pm
No, dk…you are wrong…about Verbal anyway…the diarrhoea part….how kind of you.
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 2:39 pm
@lc:
“The point I am trying to make about Gallas is that he cares a lof about Arsenal”.
Nope.
If you read Gallas’ interview, he says “I have to win a trophy”. He cares about winning a trophy for himself, and Arsenal happens to be the team he’s currently playing at.
I’m not trying to join the witchcraft against Gallas. However, when the likes of Darren “more expensive than TH14″Bent says that he and his teammates saw arsenal team arguing during the match and halftime, it is not easy to be open-minded towards Gallas.
We are not the only club with team arguing and being divided by some kinds of faction; but Gallas has painted our beloved arsenal as one with rich kids running riot and constantly bickering even in the middle of the game regardless of the importance of game.
By: TC on November 24, 2008
at 2:43 pm
Frank,
Are you referring to the Usual Suspects by any chance? Titi once said that it was his favourite fil.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 2:44 pm
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/fabregas-named-as-new-arsenal-captain
By: indi gooner on November 24, 2008
at 2:45 pm
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/fabregas-named-as-new-arsenal-captain
By: dsf on November 24, 2008
at 2:47 pm
….at last….well done, AIC…Verbal Kint….Solgooner….Solgooner….Verbal Kint……Sol Kint….Verbalgooner……yeeeeeessssss….come on down Verbalgooner…I mean Sol Kint…I mean Solgooner
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 2:48 pm
TC – the interesting thing is that Bent claims he saw that at the time, but despite playing for our rivals, he was not the one to break it to the press – it took our captain to do so.
By: Passenal on November 24, 2008
at 2:48 pm
….and why do you think that is, AIC?
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 2:49 pm
Flint.
Do you remember that i-2 that charlie played off a Newcastle player before volleying home? Not sure if it was 71 or 72.
Not sure he meant it either but it was a brilliant moment in a much different world than today.
Football was different certainly.
Less fun than remembering Charlie is the point that I do beleive that this side has some likely star MEN of the future. From who will they learn?
By: Consolsbob on November 24, 2008
at 2:49 pm
@Passenal:
I know. And without Gallas’ verbal diarrhea, Bend wouldn’t have mentioned it, because he didn’t say a word about that since the game. I felt so hurt when one of the spuds came out and said this thing about my beloved arsenal.
By: TC on November 24, 2008
at 2:56 pm
Frank – It’s true, our supporters don’t deserve this tough, never-say-die team straight out of the Arsenal mould. Their inconsistency is obvioulsy the fan’s fault.
I think people should get over the media coverage. Arsène is one of the best managers in the business and Arsenal are a top European club. When the team is struggling there will undoubtebly be a media witch hunt. This is just the nature of game. Nothing to be get worried about.
Although Arsène has made mistakes (making Gallas captain and his policy of allowing older, experienced players to leave) I still believe he will put the situtation right. We do have a talented squad but this means nothing if it is not accomapnied by a strong team spirit and a desire to fight and die for the team.
Gallas may be a scapegoat but he is symptomtic of everthing that is wrong about this Arsenal team at the moment: fragile in confidence, arrogant, and refusing to take responsibility for its shortcomings.
Let’s hope the team under Cesc, who has a much better idea of what Arsenal is about can remind the players and supporters what it means to play for Arsenal
By: the Big M on November 24, 2008
at 2:56 pm
I cant read all the comments as they are just based on premature I “I told you so’s”! the fact is the season is just that a season not 1/3 of it.
Who knows what will take place.
I do not agree with this implosion, crisis cry, funny we are so bad but still 5th in the league, well within striking range.
We believe its not the fans, the funny thing is I have read comments from other teams that said that Arsenal supporters were crap and that they wish they had a team that played like ours. Reading those, one would suggest that it is not all about Arsenal not playing well at present but the culture if the spoilt brat fans.
AIC, I think we have to stop talking about Highbury, North Bank and all that. How do we expect the team to adjust so easily to negativity when we cant adjust to the new stadium? Hypocrisy. It was just a stadium, if the teams were crap we would not care about that – Its about the Team.
The fact is fans are important, they are the reason for teams having a better record at home, SUPPORT THE TEAM and stop the everlasting crying and complaining!
One more time, no one can tell how much what was going on behind closed doors. Lets get the team healthy and judge!
I know they are great and trust I will be proved right!
Happy that Cesc has been named captian!
God Bless!!
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 2:57 pm
“One more time, no one can tell how much what was going on behind closed doors affected the team”
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 2:59 pm
Too well, Consolsbob.
It was late in the Double season & an absolutely critical goal.
If you remember Charlie had a real stinker that day & the game was heading for 0-0. If it had been up to me he would have been subbed well before he came up with that, proving how little we fans really know.
Pat Rice, Steve Bould, Kolo, Sagna, Rosicky, Eduardo & even Gallas but most of all from their own mistakes.
Different time, much more of a spotlight to grow up in but the principal is the same.
By: Flint McCullough on November 24, 2008
at 3:04 pm
CESC to lead us to glory..!!!!!!!!!!!
Made my day so much better reading that, thanks Le Boss for making the call. Really believe Cesc will lift every1 at the club, he has been our engine for the last 3-4 yrs and wasnt performing. This will give him extra incentive to play and make the team play football again.
By: chris GOONA on November 24, 2008
at 3:08 pm
CESC to lead us to glory..!!!!!!!!!!!
By: chris GOONA on November 24, 2008
at 3:14 pm
I love Arsene Wenger for his vision but it’s time for him to leave the Premier League because if he continues to be stubborn and not bring in big name talent he will never be able to compete with the likes of Chelsea, United, Liverpool, and the other soon to be big spending clubs. If they’re not careful they won’t even make it into the top four this season.
By: English Premiership Football on November 24, 2008
at 3:14 pm
English Premiership Football
Ur a complete knob… u got a real name
By: chris GOONA on November 24, 2008
at 3:16 pm
oh dear oh dear oh dear
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 3:17 pm
Oh please – EPF! how rediculous is that.
Ask the managers of those team how they feel about Wenger.
“UNBLIEVABLE!”
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 3:18 pm
How many of our first time players wud fit into top 3…
manutd wont mind having cesc…and sagna..
liverpool wont mind fully fit rosicky and nasri….
chelsea..maybe sagna
no one wants gallas..for sure
By: adc on November 24, 2008
at 3:19 pm
The funny thing is that some people are claiming Wenger has lost it and should go, yet he is so crap the first team his name is linked with is Real Madrid!
By: Passenal on November 24, 2008
at 3:23 pm
I guess none of them would want Clichy, RVP, Nasri either adc!
Just crazy comments, no disrespect but before submitting the comment, please review it.
Frank – can I get a cheer?
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 3:23 pm
and other way round…
we dont need any forwards..rvp ade backed up by eduardo vela theo…too much talent there..may be excessive..
wingers we wud love from manutd..
1 midfielder from chelsea..or even owen or mascheranos…
central defenders from anyone…absolutely any top 3 or even lesser…
By: adc on November 24, 2008
at 3:23 pm
adc, that’s a little harsh. I think Gallas would still get picked up by a team in France or Italy if he was available. Maybe the pressure of the captaincy prevented him playing at his best and he could get a new lease of life? At the very least he could do a Flamini and play himself into a good deal elsewhere if his number is up at Arsenal. It wouldn’t do us any harm to have an experienced and fully motivated centre-back for however long he remains an Arsenal player!
By: Passenal on November 24, 2008
at 3:26 pm
Has anybody read Clichy’s comments reagarding Cesc and even Gallas?
And someone, I think it was NYmarcus – said the young players were arrogant. These yongsters are pure class!
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 3:28 pm
Paul N
i never mentioned clichy…
well rvp i wouldnt discount at all buddy he just score brace for netherland…and i wont just be pessimistic about him or most of our guys cause we r having bad games..
nasri…well show me any liverpool winger who is better than nasri..and has won 3 points against manutd…
pls dont paint everyone as losers..we are 5th on table not 20th for god sake
By: adc on November 24, 2008
at 3:28 pm
I rate RVP, but would you really not swap him for any of Drogba, Rooney or Torres?
By: Matt on November 24, 2008
at 3:32 pm
Nostalgia, eh?
Four memories of that season.
Southampton keeper having a blinder on a frozen Boxing Day to earn a 0-0. (altho John had a perfectly good goal disallowed) Better were the bottles of spirits passed around on the terraces which were only partially closed due to ice. Great Christmas.
62000 crammed in against Chelsea. Couldn’t stand up straight for a week after. Thumped them.
George Graham thumping in a header from the edge of the 18yard box – against Liverpool I think.
Radford turning Tommy Smith on the half way line at Anfield and then rouding the keeper to score. Great player, John.
Musn’t forget lost 5-0 at Stoke and didn’t the spuds hold us at home that year too?
By: Consolsbob on November 24, 2008
at 3:34 pm
passanel..
u r right he shoudl fit into someitalian and spanish top sides..but top 3 in epl all have better defenders than him..
my problem with gallas is not that he is not good enough…he just hasnt performed for us..i was very happy when he joined us..but in retrospection v shud have taken cash..
By: adc on November 24, 2008
at 3:35 pm
on wenger…
i guarantee u guys…no body in this world has it to keep arsenal in top 4 with that limited budget as we have…
in that sense his acheievemtns surpasses than for even fergusson..
rated managers like ramos and hughes..fail to make it to top 4 with all the money they have..
arsene is lifeline of afc…
By: adc on November 24, 2008
at 3:38 pm
“pls dont paint everyone as losers..we are 5th on table not 20th for god sake”
was that directed to me adc?
Hope not I was agreeing with your statements and just adding a few more names, that could more than play for Chelsea and Man U!
I agree with you all the way.
Matt, yep! I see no better player than RVP when on form. Please dont mention rooney with RVP either – no comparison. Plus RVP is tied with Torres in scoring and above Rooney and Drogba. So is Ade and even Nasri if you want to go a little deeper.
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 3:40 pm
Although Torres has missed a large chunk of the season through injury…..
Anyway, i respect your opinion Paul, but i would take Rooney over RVP personally.
On a seperate note – Young Guns are reporting that Merida may start tomorrow… what do you guys think?
By: Matt on November 24, 2008
at 3:42 pm
Thank the gods that our peers(that is the so called other top 3 stuttered.. pity none of them lost).
This gives us a little breathing space… now the TEAM needs to fix up and the fans need to give encouragment. We are going through a rocky patch which we will soon emerge from… Dynamo and Chelski be warned….. we will take our frustrations out on you. PS. Dennilson is playing no better or worse than Fab so drop that crap now.
By: The Troof on November 24, 2008
at 3:42 pm
Has Rooney been injured also? That would add to your arguement.
RVP has been injured also, true?
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 3:48 pm
The Troof,
One of our peers has gained this weekend..even after drawing..aston villa..
i dont think they keep that position we shud play next season in CL…
on chelsea..we cud just beat them against all odds..just like we did against manutd…but i wouldnt be too positive though..cause i fancy them to win it this year…
matt
dont fancy merida starting..in cc yes..not in cl…he wasnt even one of our best performing players in cc..there were few ahead of him
By: adc on November 24, 2008
at 3:52 pm
I agree ADC, just commenting on what is being reported on Young Guns, which in all fairness is pretty good.
Paul, RVP also missed 3 games from being petulant, not injured.
By: Matt on November 24, 2008
at 3:59 pm
matt
i love our fwd line trust me..u cud argue rvp vs rooney…but we have few up there who r better than almost all..yes even better than heavily bought..manutd and chelsea
i wish we cud have fully fit..rvp and eduardo…lets not forget eduardo..the guy has so awesome finishing…poor fellow got injured when he was finding his feet..yet in first 6 months he had good no of goals against his name…
not to forget vela and theo..not bad back up…
fwds trust me no problem for coming few seasons..ther r all young too
By: adc on November 24, 2008
at 3:59 pm
Frank,
Its a great film. Are you asking me why Titi said it was his favourite film as I don’t know.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 4:01 pm
So Cesc is Captain of he next match…
I actually prefer Mad, Bad (rough everyone up) Gallas. Instead of nice talking softley spoken (wouldn’t step on an ant) Cesc.
By: The Troof on November 24, 2008
at 4:02 pm
RVP 11 games – 5 goals 3 assists
Torres 9 games – 5 goals 1 assists
Rooney 12 games – 3 goals 5 assists
Ade 12 games – 5 goals 3 assists
Say what you will but here is the facts of the season at present.
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 4:11 pm
adc,
I agree, our forward line is not really a problem area.
It will be nice to have Eddy back for sure
By: Matt on November 24, 2008
at 4:12 pm
ffs…some of you do not rate our players at all do you? Do you really expect to be taken seriously when you come out with this drivel…..I have not so much absolute f***ing rubbish for a while as I have some of the posts today….
Now down to serious business…..AIC…I will spell it out for you shall I……..
Verbal Kint…does not exist….nor does Keyser Sosa…it was all made up by ‘Verbal Kint’ from information on the noticeboard in the detectives office….who is who? ..who knows?….
Now …why Solgooner….well, Solgooner is not his real name…..nor is he a ‘veteran’ gooner…..certainly not in his seventies anyway…..he was certainly not in London during the war……if you don’t believe me then read the text…not just the bits that you want to read….all of it…there are a million clues in there including the timing between responses…..I don’t know exactly who he is but I could take a guess at his age from his language…and some of his proclivities e.g. hip hop….he has made a valiant effort to create a persona….but it is very superficial….good fun though…I enjoyed it…..still knows f*** all about football mind you.
…and for Paul N
Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal…..Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenaaa all….Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal….Arsenal….ARSENAL
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 4:16 pm
Cesc is captain for good according to skysports. This is great news, we now have a player with one of the best footballing in the world brains in charge. Come on you gunners, lets get behind are team and show them the support they deserve
By: gunner33 on November 24, 2008
at 4:22 pm
last comment should read ‘a player with one of the best footballing brains in the world in charge’!!
By: gunner33 on November 24, 2008
at 4:24 pm
YES YES and YES
I thought it’s a little bit early for Captain Fab, but it was distend to number 4
New page, new Captain….hopefully Gallas can concentrate on his only job…defending (Just in case he doesn’t know)
As Frank always say:
Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal…..Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenaaa all….Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal….Arsenal….ARSENAL
By: Gunner4Ever on November 24, 2008
at 4:26 pm
Cesc is Captain according to Arsenal.com too!
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 4:28 pm
Frank,
I rate some, i rate some not so highly.
That also applies to players of other teams, in fact, i have an opinion on every player i ever watch.
It’s called having a mind of your own.
If i choose to come and chat about it with others, then i will, and some of the time people agree with me, and me them.
By: Matt on November 24, 2008
at 4:31 pm
Oh, by the way….
I rate our new captain very highly indeed. (in case you were interested).
By: Matt on November 24, 2008
at 4:32 pm
Matt,
I guess stats dont mean that much to you as far as players (strikers mainly) are concerned, would that be right?
If so, what do you use to judge a player?
I’m not trying to be a jerk, would love to read your answer.
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 4:40 pm
Frank,
Ok. I don’t really care though.
Its true that people here do not rate some of the players, so what?
Many of them have achieved next to nothing in the game despite their talent. Maybe if they were not given huge contracts and a huge billing before they have done anything would make them less arrogant and more willing to fight.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 4:42 pm
I just watched Clichy’s interview on Arsenal.com because I wanted to see the body language. He seems genuinely pleased that Cesc is the new captain. I was also impressed at the way he made sure to let the fans know that the players are behind William, just in case he faces any backlash tomorrow. That’s very mature from one of our other leaders in the squad.
By: Passenal on November 24, 2008
at 4:44 pm
“Many of them have achieved next to nothing in the game despite their talent. Maybe if they were not given huge contracts and a huge billing before they have done anything would make them less arrogant and more willing to fight.”
You know this for a fact do you AIC?
By: Passenal on November 24, 2008
at 4:46 pm
AIC,
Isnt players getting paid large sums of money a football thing now? or is it only Arsenal that does that?
arrogant – making claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights; overbearingly assuming; insolently proud:
How are they arrogant? what is the proof of that.
These are some of the most humble lads I have seen. show me th light please.
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 4:47 pm
I dont think you are a jerk Paul..
Stats are obviously important, especially with strikers as they are ultimately judged on goals.
To be honest, my opinions on players are exactly that, my opinion.
What i look for in a player is how effective they are in the position they play, how they fit in to and complement the team, and what they bring to the team in attitude, drive and commitment.
Players do not have to be overly skilful to be ‘great’ in my humble opinion.
A great example would be Paul Scholes – i thought (think) the guy is world class – not only as a player but as a team man. (his tackling could do with a bit of improvement, mind).
By: Matt on November 24, 2008
at 4:48 pm
Matt,
I agree with you. However, with some people on this blog you are not allowed to have your own opinion.
If you say anything that is considered “negative” then you are a traitor who should f*** off and support Chelsea.
If you are proved right you are said to be enjoying Arsenal’s demise. If you do not rate the players then you are a traitor.
Its bollox and for what its worth I agree that a number of players are not good enough yet or not ready to mount a challenge. It does not mean they are rubbish but too raw.
Having said that the senior players have also played badly – Cesc, Ade, RvP patchy, Clichy Sagna not at last seasons’s levels, Almunia still rooted to his line.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 4:48 pm
Anyway, off to the gym Gents.
Feel free to ridicule my comments while i am away.
By: Matt on November 24, 2008
at 4:50 pm
Passenal,
No I don’t know that which is why I said maybe.
Many haven’t achieved much though. Not to say they won’t in the future.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 4:50 pm
AIC,
Your a person who I think is cool but could you stop beating up the team unjustly. How the team has been playing is clearly open to be criticized but you are attacking them as a person and of things you cannot prove. I dont think that right, do you?
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 4:50 pm
Paul N,
Arrogance in that they seem to think that just turning up and putting in half-hearted performances will do at the top level.
Its the impression that they have left on me this season. I may be wrong but that is how it looks. Other players have also questioned the attitude – Clichy, Gallas.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 4:52 pm
Paul,
Ok, I’ll stop beating them up.
The alternative is that they are simply unable to deal with the huge pressure they have been put under, perhaps prematurely.
Maybe its not arrogance or laziness but fear and a lack of knowledge of what to do.
As for arrogance I think Ade is the worst culprit and he is a senior player. The attititude is wrong though whatever the cause.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 4:55 pm
Our players are not getting paid large sums, maybe large sum in comparison to the sums you and I make. I think you are mistaking us for Chel$ki and Man U….Mr. Arsenal fan.
If our players wanted arrogance, they would’ve gone to Chelski and Man Ure and made $130K/Week warming a bench.
By: Gunner4Ever on November 24, 2008
at 4:59 pm
Well Gallas has been the most arrogant of all, you think. Who is he to talk?
Its more immaturity in my eyes, and lack of good leadership. Arrogance is very strong word as if they are Gods gift to football and have a God given right to win – I dont see that with this team.
Yes they should and need to play harder and dont think that just because they play pretty football they will automatically win. I agree with you on that!
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 4:59 pm
It doesn’t matter whether you care or not, AIC…you provided the required response…and for that I thank you.
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 5:04 pm
Does anyone really believe that on Saturday the Arsenal players thought they just had to turn up to win?
By: Poliziano on November 24, 2008
at 5:28 pm
No!
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 5:36 pm
At least not me. There is more to this situation than meets the eye.
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 5:36 pm
I don’t see the Arsenal team as a whole as arrogant. I deny that Wenger is arrogant. There is a big difference between amour propre and arrogance. Wenger is the best manager in the world, so he is right to put his judgement above that of bloggers and journalists. I think Wenger discourages arrogance from his players. He often talks about the importance of humility. As for Adebayor: he’s not the most modest player in the team, but perhaps he is rather flamboyant than arrogant.
By: Poliziano on November 24, 2008
at 5:42 pm
FRANK WILL YOU BET ME A THOUSAND POUNDS THAT I CAN PROVE WHO I SAY I AM LET YOGI HOLD THE MONEY I WILL GIVE YOGI PROOF NOW OR YOUR FATHER IF U GIVE ME HIS NUMBER
YOGI IS THERE ANY WAY TO CONTACT YOU PRIVATLEY
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 5:49 pm
I agree Poliziano.
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 5:59 pm
Before you prove anything, would you please lower your case as gesture of goodwill to your fellow Gooners?
By: Gunner4Ever on November 24, 2008
at 6:07 pm
It was because I was pissed off I have now sent a mail to Yogi proving everything I said sorry that you are such a know all Frank
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 6:12 pm
Frank you were so polite yesterday so I scanned some of my old photos to send to you I now realise you are a mickey taker too bad
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 6:18 pm
Thanks for the lower case Sol.
By: Gunner4Ever on November 24, 2008
at 6:19 pm
G4E I am sorry but now Yogi has all the proof and I hope he can now confirm I am telling the truth
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 6:21 pm
The truth about what? Sorry, I’m not following….I guess I have to read all the posts but I’m at work so it’s not easy
By: Gunner4Ever on November 24, 2008
at 6:25 pm
I was just hav¡ng memories of 60 plus years as an AFC supporter and Frank asked lots of questions which I answered thinking he was genuine about those days and people I knew
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 6:47 pm
I haven’t read all the comments, but:
1) I’m glad about Cesc. I certainly like him more as a captain than Gallas. I prefered Kolo for the captain role last year, but now that his performance hasn’t been that great and Cesc has more experience, I think the coice is right.
2) “Crisis” is a word used too easily in football. Being one point off the champions league zone in the prem. and still doing well in the other cups is not a crisis. And the club is in great shape. So, if you see the bigger picture, we’re allright. My biggest problem is with some people’s attitude and short-sightness.
By: Non Edible Nacho on November 24, 2008
at 6:48 pm
Wow our very own football blogging mystery! Frank is a Colombo / Cracker-like super-sleuth on the trail of Solgooner (either a defeatist, senile, sun-baked Marbella “sort” or a defeatist “I want it all, now” teenager, prone to wind-ups and flights of fancy – this is REALLY EXCITING!
Frank, I fear you are going to have to breakdown your case a little more for us, certainly for me. I do want to believe you though.
Solgooner, I was impressed by your VERY LONG reminiscences, why is it only Yogi who gets to see the evidence?
How do we know that Yogi is not in on this with you?
Maybe you ARE YOGI!!!!
By: Ian Dolent on November 24, 2008
at 6:51 pm
Ian you are funny .. Frank is not a super sleuth hes an egotistic idiot.
If Yogi can just confirm getting my mail and checking the facts I will be happy to continue being senile and sun baked in Marbella.
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 6:55 pm
Ian I was so verbal because Frank kept asking questions and I was stupid enough to answer them
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 6:56 pm
Consolsbob
Were the touchlines marked in blue for that game against the Saints? I didn’t remember the disallowed goal but now you mention it wasn’t someone other than the scorer supposed to be offside?
We beat the Spuds 2-0 at home that season but lost 0-2 away to Liverpool, so I think Raddy’s goal at Anfield was a couple of seasons later.
The 0-5 at Stoke was about the only time I left a game early. Charlie George was sitting a few rows behind us with his leg in plaster.
Losing to Huddersfield by a dodgy penalty. The terraces there were made out of old railway sleepers.
Going weak at the knees when Snout took that penalty at Hillsborough. The way it went in, his must have been shaking too.
The GG header I remember best from that season was the SF replay at Villa Park – broke the net.
He scored one of his specials against Liverpool, but I have a feeling it was a quick pass & move with a stinging volley at the end of it.
I’ll have to find the old video now, happy memories eh !!
Sorry to be an old bore people.
By: Flint McCullough on November 24, 2008
at 6:57 pm
Sol, if you are 60, 70, or 80 that has nothing to do with your posts or the way you support the club.
If anything you’re more experienced with long long periods with no trophies, more than us who are new to this drought.
I don’t claim to be 80, but just reading my club’s history tells me that even with the current problems and no trophies, we still have a great manager and a great squad and we can do it against all odds, and against all the cynics.
Cheers Sol…..
By: Gunner4Ever on November 24, 2008
at 6:57 pm
Alright, I meant.
By: Non Edible Nacho on November 24, 2008
at 6:58 pm
Thats what I said having been friends with two AFC managers who won next to nothing and Wenger is the best but too dictatorial
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 7:02 pm
This is so funny, Frank and Mr Sol were getting along great and now look.
Frank, I would also like to know why you doubt Mr. Sol is being genuine?
Quite, entertaining!
but Mr. Sol I still prefer this more objective side of you, please dont backslide because of this. Ha Ha!!
Be Blessed!!
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 7:03 pm
I am not 80 im in my late seventies but businesswise I could outsmart Frank giving him a head start
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 7:04 pm
Paul N you were nice yesterday and I just t want Yogi to confirm and make Frank eat his words
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 7:05 pm
YOGI ARE YOU GOING TO COME TO THE RESCUE SO WE CAN DISCUSS SERIOUS THINGS like Gallas facial, gestures
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 7:06 pm
I dont think Wenger is dictatorial or he would have kicked Gallas’ backside out a long time ago with all the comments he has made.
I think that the Arsenal Board trust his judgment as he is tried and proven so it makes him seem that way. What can you say, he is not above reproach but has done one hell of a job with less means than many clubs.
He is just the best manager, hands down!
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 7:07 pm
I am dieng to find out Solgooners identity!! And only Yogi can solve this mystery. Don’t make us wait Yogi!!!
Frank you’re such an *****. You and Solgooner were getting along so well yesterday, and now you’ve ruined it. You should be ashamed of yourself. Dissing your new best friend like that. So what if he’s not 70 years old, whatever he told you was to get closer to you. And you accuse him of lies.
The curiosity is killing me. Who is right? Solgooner or Frank?
Voting begins now.
By: Ateeb on November 24, 2008
at 7:08 pm
Solgooner,truly I did enjoy the glimpses you provided into the past, both yours and Arsenal’s.
I do love a good whodunnit though, and I love the thought of you being unmasked by Frank as a precocious tween – and so should you!
By: Ian Dolent on November 24, 2008
at 7:09 pm
I agree but the board who have seen a 300k investment grow to multi millions are too blame, there have been some great players available and e are not impoverished
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 7:09 pm
If he does that he should be running Interpol
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 7:09 pm
I am going out to buy a Zorro mask
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 7:10 pm
YOGI WHY ARE YOU SILENT I TOLD YOU MORE THAN ENOUGH
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 7:11 pm
I’m looking forward to that Mr. Sol,
I just hope we will all have access to this proof.
I love it.
I have been an Arsenal supporter since the seventies (late) and then I came to America in 82 and lost touch until the late 90’s! Can you believe that.
Quite sad, but the last real memory I have of Arsenal before I left England was that sickening loss to West Ham in the FA Cup (when it meant much more). So you see this trip down memory lane for you is quite exciting for me.
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 7:11 pm
But Sol, you do not know Arsene Wenger, so how can you say, with any conviction, he is dictatorial?
Is it necessarily a bad thing anyway?
Perhaps George & Billy were not as clear, in their objectives, & that is why they failed.
Billy Wright & Terry Neill both brought through youngsters that later did brilliantly for their successors.
Arsene will be different in that he will bring them to fruition too.
By: Flint McCullough on November 24, 2008
at 7:11 pm
ATEEB I wish I was 70 0r even better 17
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 7:12 pm
FLINT I feel when one man has all the power its too much when DD was there he was a counterbalance.
Those were different days and Billy was a modest guy who never had ego like some of our players today.
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 7:14 pm
Paul when I lived in the USA and Bahamas satellite was going strong we had all the games with those illegal scrambler boxes
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 7:16 pm
I agree with you Mr. Sol, but if tehe boards trusts him what can you so about that and as I said he can be trusted – he has delivered the goods numerous times. because we have a little dip that is no reason to start doubting him.
Really we dont know what goes on behind closed doors but infront of them we have seen some amazing stuff.
I just dont see what there is to complain about really. Patience is needed at this time, I think!
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 7:18 pm
PAUL except I still believe the Dynamo game I saw was at Highbury and obviously IM wrong
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 7:18 pm
WHy are Frank and Yogi so quiet
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 7:19 pm
Sorry Sol, my family was a bit broke for a time and really I just didnt know where to watch the matches in Brooklyn NY. I moved to Florida and that is when I started to get back into it. I guess I was just young and Ignorant.
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 7:21 pm
I’m really loving this suspense! I’m sure Yogi is lapping this up too.
Reputations are at the mercy of a nod or a wink from Yogi – such power!
By: Ian Dolent on November 24, 2008
at 7:21 pm
I think Yogi works for a living? Has a family and stuff?
By: Gunner4Ever on November 24, 2008
at 7:21 pm
The mystery deepens.
What is an *****, Ateeb?
If you are not serious Frank, you are being more than a bit unkind.
Perhaps you have tawtss (Turkish arse whistle truth suspicion syndrome), that is very common when the whistle has been previously used by a Turkish detective, in the wrong orifice.
By: Flint McCullough on November 24, 2008
at 7:26 pm
Paul where did u live in Florida
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 7:26 pm
FLINT this is helping us forget Saturday
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 7:27 pm
Sherlock Frank is lost in Baker Street. I hope the tawtss go up the wrong orifice again
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 7:29 pm
I Lived in Miami Mr. Sol!
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 7:32 pm
Hmm….Solgooner what did you do with Frank and Yogi??
I think Frank was onto something. Maybe he was close to revealing Solgooners true identity. And now he’s mysteriously dissapeared. And so has the man who supposedy holds the truth in his mail. Something doesn’t feel right. I smell bloood.
FRANK!!!!
By: Ateeb on November 24, 2008
at 7:36 pm
So did I the Blue Diamond on Collins avenue next door the Eden Roc
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 7:37 pm
Paul you shouldn’t have told Solgooner that. Be safe my friend.
By: Ateeb on November 24, 2008
at 7:37 pm
Ateeb Frank is just too underwhelming for me.
I must say Yogi has not replied to my mail
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 7:39 pm
HAHAHAHAH@
“So did I the Blue Diamond on Collins avenue next door the Eden Roc”
Paul watch out now. People dissapear when they talk to SOlgooner about places he’s/they’ve lived.
By: Ateeb on November 24, 2008
at 7:40 pm
Ateeb is blood red or blue
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 7:40 pm
ATEEB can you give me your full address and zip code
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 7:41 pm
Haha good one Ateeb!!!
The funny thing is , and I’m serious, I always pictured Solgooner as a brit “on the run” in sunny spain. With all the dolly birds and swimming pools.
Seems like he is living the life, but he’s actually kosher…or is he? Dun da dun DAAAA!
By: Ian Dolent on November 24, 2008
at 7:44 pm
“when DD was there he was a counterbalance”
Again that is an assumption not a fact.
There have been may Saturdays to forget, in our time, Sol!!
Highbury was bombed during the war & was not used until the 1946/47 season.
It was very different in those days. The players were only marginally better off financially than those who watched them.
That did not mean there were no egos about. Johnny Haynes was known as “big head”.
By: Flint McCullough on November 24, 2008
at 7:45 pm
Screwin’ shiksas on the Costa del Sol.
By: Poliziano on November 24, 2008
at 7:47 pm
I lived more north Frank – like Carol City. Do you know that section of town?
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 7:47 pm
I just looked at that place – Mr. Sol you are a rich man?
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 7:48 pm
At Sollys deli in Puerto Banus. But Im not on the run I come to the Emirates a few tiimes juut for the pleasure of being ripped off 150 pounds for a good seat
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 7:50 pm
Paul I was once
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 7:51 pm
You’re not going to ask him for money, are you Paul?
By: Flint McCullough on November 24, 2008
at 7:52 pm
Paul it wasnt great during Hurricane Wilma and Katrina
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 7:53 pm
Flint the levity is coming back here, even though Yogiis hiding
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 7:54 pm
Flint, I’m quite contented with my few hundred dollars a week.
Take a look at where Mr. Sol said he lived – its quite an amazing place and its on South Beach so that should speak for itself.
http://www.rcrsmiamibeach.com/MIAMI-BEACH-Condos/Blue-Diamond.htm
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 7:55 pm
I here you Mr. Sol, I was still in Florida for those. Wilma especially handled South Florida quite bad!
I moved to Houston and low and behold their Bro Ike came to visit!
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 7:57 pm
yep i was on the 45th floor and it was scarier than the blitz in london in the forties I was stupid enough not to evacuate
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 8:00 pm
Hahaha……the conversations I’ve seen in the last two days have been really ‘out of place’.
Who are you solgooner? Tell us, tell us now. Can you please ask Frank where he put the whistles. I can’t find them anywhere in the stall. Did you steal them too?
By: Ateeb on November 24, 2008
at 8:10 pm
Ateeb I was in Transylvania yesterday and didnt touch the whisles
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 8:16 pm
Ateb until you give me your full address I cant tell you anything I have taken the Hypocrites oath
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 8:17 pm
Sorry to change from the usual suspects, no, sorry subjects…but…back to the team.
Maybe I should say someone who used to be in the team. Does anyone find young Anelka’s recent comments interesting?
I’m thinking of the people who regularly go on AFC fan/blog sites and call our players s****.
Oh yes, I think we can safely assume they read them; so I’d just like to say thanks a lot to you guys for playing your part in so effectively undermining the team.
VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
By: Sore Finger on November 24, 2008
at 8:25 pm
Yep, Mr. Sol its a good idea to leave when you are that close to the beach.
How long has it been since you left and went back home?
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 8:33 pm
2005 I came back to Spain
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 8:36 pm
sol,
Don’t waste your time with Frank. He is certainly the most arrogant and least relevant poster here.
Accusing you of lying just sums him up.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 8:36 pm
Sore Finger,
What were Anelka’s comments?
By: Ian Dolent on November 24, 2008
at 8:36 pm
I have just watched the City game in full.
The officiatling is scandalous. The number of fouls and body checks that the ref allowed to pass un punished shocked me.
I feel for the boys that played, they tried to get on with it.
By: shango on November 24, 2008
at 8:39 pm
Ice Cream,
I’m not sure how you think you come across, but I can imagine it is inaccurate.
By: Ian Dolent on November 24, 2008
at 8:39 pm
Sore Finger,
I reckon that if Anelka was really so ready to leave over that little slight then I’m sure he’d have found another excuse to screw us over further down the line.
Bizarre few days on here! Entertaining though.
By: Big Al on November 24, 2008
at 8:40 pm
Ian,
Please enlighten me.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 8:41 pm
Yep that’s right. I hate commas.
By: Big Al on November 24, 2008
at 8:41 pm
Big Al – it’s probably some Arsenal club astrological alignment. The club and its supporters have all “lost it” a bit.
It’s been great though, a change from the incessant bile that I had expected following the last 2 games.
By: Ian Dolent on November 24, 2008
at 8:43 pm
Is there any point?
By: Ian Dolent on November 24, 2008
at 8:43 pm
I would like to hear your opinion.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 8:47 pm
Ian,
From an Astrology blog entry today:
“It’s easy to become fearful, go into survival mode, and think you’re alone with an uncertain future. But there’s the other path of thinking collectively, and building networks that will get everyone through the hard times. It’s an old-fashioned idea that’s quickly turning into the next big thing.”
Apparently it’s these ‘Uranian’ times we’re living in.
By: Big Al on November 24, 2008
at 8:49 pm
re-Anelka.
He said that after having scored 12 (I think) and 22 goals in his first two seasons he felt slighted that fans in a poll felt he was not the man to replace Ian Wright.
OK take anything he says with a pinch of salt; but I actually think this cynical young man understands how fickle our support really is.
Incidentally, does anyone who posts or reads this site belong to Red Action? I’d love to see some debate about this lot.
By: Sore Finger on November 24, 2008
at 8:49 pm
These networks seem to extend into the underworld, but what the hey!
By: Big Al on November 24, 2008
at 8:50 pm
I,ve said it and been attacked but will continue to say it and be damned. Unless and until Arsene Wenger stop making Arsenal a foreign team on English soil, there will be no silverware for us.
He should bring in some English players into the team. Upson has proved to be a better CB; a player Arsene let go and recruited a waste in the name of Senderos.
By: howard on November 24, 2008
at 8:51 pm
It’s nothing that hasn’t been said dozens of times.
IMO you are overwhelmingly negative, you glaze over or ignore the good things and harp on about the bad.
You are extremely over-bearing with your posts and intolerant also.
You seem to enjoy going on and on about what Wenger should have done, even a stopped clock is right every now and then.
Many of the things you despise in Frank are equally true of you, except humour seems a stranger to you.
Apart from that you are perfect.
By: Ian Dolent on November 24, 2008
at 8:53 pm
Sore Finger – it always concerns me when some so called fans seemingly go out of their way to undermine the players’ confidence. I also remember Ade before last season saying something similar how the fans had not even considered him as a potential goal scorer after TH left, even putting midfield players ahead of him in a poll. So they do know what is said, which is why unhelpful nicknames are not funny in the least. Maybe if some love and respect was shown to certain players they would still be with us.
By: Passenal on November 24, 2008
at 9:01 pm
**God save the Queen of England**
By: Gunner4Ever on November 24, 2008
at 9:02 pm
Oh surprise, surprise here comes Howard singing the same old song. If you can only support a team with English players in it – there is always the national team. That’s the only time where passports should count.
By: Passenal on November 24, 2008
at 9:04 pm
Howard,
You are damned, if you believe that tripe.
By: Ian Dolent on November 24, 2008
at 9:09 pm
This cliffhanging is all a bit much. When can we expect all to be revealed in our whodunnit?
By: Ian Dolent on November 24, 2008
at 9:15 pm
The Bleak Midwinter.
In the bleak midwinter, Gallas did make moan
Arse stood hard as Iron, the red card was shown
Points had fallen, points on points, points oh no
In the bleak midwinter, no so long ago
Arsene, heaven cannot hold him, nor earth sustain;
blues and reds shall flee away when he comes to reign;
In the bleak midwinter, the Emirates sufficed
The many injured players sliced and diced.
Fabregas and VP will be gathered there,
Hopefullness and willpower throng the air
The press a crumpled paper in the bin
The end of gooner despair.
What can I give them, poor as I am ?
If I were a fan, I would bring a cheer;
If I were a wise man, I would do my part;
Yet what I can I give them; give my heart.
By: Muppet on November 24, 2008
at 9:17 pm
Actually, in my 10:16 post I (clumsily) toyed with the idea of hiring English players. It’s my Realpolitik for patching up the rift between players and fans. Like it or not, the British lads do seem to get almost unequivocal support. However, guys like Eboue and Denilson are derided when they produce the same level of performance.
At the same time, Cesc’s promotion to captain may helped that problem.
By: Big Al on November 24, 2008
at 9:20 pm
Muppet,
Chapeau!
By: Ian Dolent on November 24, 2008
at 9:22 pm
Big Al, that’s kind of sad if you’re suggesting that Nationality alone makes that much difference. I know Theo gets a relatively easy ride, because people are desperate to see an Englishman do well at Arsenal. But some of the most loved players in recent Arsenal history have not been English.
By: Passenal on November 24, 2008
at 9:30 pm
Also, the fans will not love the English players if they cant ptoduce.
Say what we want but there is no big Club in England that is predominantly English. Why people hang onto that rubbish is beyond me. Its a complete farce.
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 9:35 pm
We’re holding a bunch of crap foreign players who can’t get play in any of the top 4.
English players with no quality? Yet Villa, Stoke, Hull, Fulham and City are all beating our so called quality foreign players.
By: howard on November 24, 2008
at 9:39 pm
So howard which english players would you like to see in an arsenal shirt? Who would you want Wenger to buy in january?
By: Ateeb on November 24, 2008
at 9:48 pm
@ Passenal and Paul N,
It shouldn’t, but I have a feeling that it does count among certain fans. I’d even suggest that players like Dennis, Bobby and Henry were well-loved only after they had come through a longer than reasonable period of vacillation amongst the faithful. Vieira’s an exception because he liked to really get stuck in and that kind of attitude really appeals to English supporters.
Paul N, that’s true; we saw it with Justin Hoyte. However, I think English players get a longer stay of execution. Song hasn’t fared very well amongst the support, despite the fact that he’s performed at a higher level than J Hoyte.
As I said, the jingoism is backwards, poisonous and I want to distance myself from it, but there’s no denying that it exists (see above) and I just think it could be considered in our recruitment policy after Xmas.
By: Big Al on November 24, 2008
at 9:49 pm
howard, I do admire your genius.
Oh, this is the same “so called” quality foreign players that beat Man U also,huh? how could that be, after all they have a team full of great english players! Would you believe we beat West Ham, Blackburn, Bolton and Everton all teams who are full of English players, that could not be according to the genius of Sir Howard!
“UNBELIEVABLE!”
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 9:52 pm
You’re missing the point Howard, you reference us being beaten by the like of Hull and Fulham as if they have better players than us.
The reality is none of these teams would dream of beating us if we play as a one unit. With your mentality why do you think we beat Man Ure?…I’m sure you consider them an English team, even though I don’t think they are.
By: Gunner4Ever on November 24, 2008
at 9:53 pm
howard, how do you call yourself an Arsenal fan if that is your attitude towards the players? If you have been a supporter for more than 5 minutes you would remember the days when we had more English players and also managed to lose games. I expect you were also calling for Henry, Vieira, Pires, Ljungberg and Bergkamp to be replaced by English players too?
By: Passenal on November 24, 2008
at 9:55 pm
I hear you Big Al.
I hope we break that foolishness though. The fact is when this team does get back on par no one will care if they came from mars or pluto – That a fact!
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 9:55 pm
Howard is all about the trophies now.
He really doesnt care where the players come from he is just upset these little foriegners are not producing at the moment. Was he talking crap when we beat Man U?
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 9:58 pm
this english debate is old hat! lets dig deeper into the mystery of sol.
sol…when you bumped off frank did he scream, arsenal, aarsenal, aaaaarsenal, on his way out!
By: dukeGoonem on November 24, 2008
at 9:58 pm
Ian
That’s fine. I can be negative but based on what we have seen this season it gives the negativity some credence.
I think that others glaze over the postive points that I make also.
I’ll try and cheer up.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 9:59 pm
Agree Paul! It’s just been a gloomy week, hasn’t it?
By: Big Al on November 24, 2008
at 10:02 pm
Just looked at the arcticles after we beat Man U. No surprise, Howard didnt even comment!
You are behaving like the grim reaper dude, only show up to deliver a death sentence or a vulture circling an animal that is about to die but stay away from something that is full of life.
Not cool! who needs that type of support?
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 10:04 pm
Yep, its been pretty rough Big Al but I’m expecting sunshine tomorrow. I getting my shorts, t shirt, Sunglasses and flip flops ready!
Stay strong and positive!
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 10:06 pm
I would love for Arsene to buy Podloski, love this player. Seems he wants out of Bayen.
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 10:08 pm
Paul N, I’m not sure where Podolski would fit – he doesn’t seem like an Arsenal type player. If Arshavin hadn’t been so ridiculously over-priced he could have fit in well with Arsenal. But I guess we’ll never know.
By: Passenal on November 24, 2008
at 10:14 pm
A win and qualification tomorrow will help lift some of the gloom.
Hopefully Cesc can inspire more than Gallas.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 10:18 pm
Passenal, one thing he does that we need is blast the ball from a distance with accuracy. I would have him.
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 10:18 pm
I’m sure he can and will AIC!
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 10:19 pm
Hello, people.
What a couple of weeks it has been. I had food poisoning over the weekend, so on Saturday I was literally and appropriately “sick as a parrot”!
Mixed feelings about Cesc being made captain – is it too much pressure on him? Too much responsibility on top of his tempo-dictating duties? On the other hand, he is a talismanic player, he loves the club and he wanted the job.
So is YW being Hercule Poirot for the night? Is he going to point a plump French finger (steady, Frank!) at someone?
On the Englishness issue, I can’t believe we are having this debate AGAIN. All I’m saying to Howard is this, which is a methodological point – if you want to show that entirely/mostly English teams do better than mostly/entirely foreign ones, you have to look at the results and finishing positions of ALL the teams in the Premier League. Not just the teams which beat us.
@ Alex Ice Cream
Not having a go, but…regarding your venting earlier on about the club generally, I understand how you feel, but logically, you cannot have all the things you want.
You want low ticket prices AND high wages for the players
But then again you DON’T want high wages for the younger players because they have achieved nothing, but you DO think Arsene should have broken the bank to keep Flamini…who had achieved nothing. And what would have stopped him just taking that improved offer to AC Milan, demanding they match it, and leaving Arsenal anyway?
You want money for wages etc to come from somewhere other than ticket prices and replica kit – (Sponsorship? Check. Special events? Check) but you hate the commercialisation of the club and game you love.
You want it all, but you can’t have it all.
By: FunGunner on November 24, 2008
at 10:24 pm
I fear its putting too much pressure on him but hey it may inspire Cesc to new heights
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 10:33 pm
AIC,
I feel a little guilty now. We all have our personalities. Sometimes spreading positivity is harder and more useful than the converse.
I can see, however, that some might consider it laughable given the current situation.
Nevertheless I love this team, as is and I feel that they deserve more of a chance. As does Wenger.
There is nothing to say that things would have been better or different in a better way, had any of the millions of possible choices been taken by Wenger or each individual player.
Anyway we are all Gooners and I, for one, don’t envy Chelsea, Tottenham or Villa. I’d love a CL trophy, but that will come……
By: Ian Dolent on November 24, 2008
at 10:38 pm
I think the things is that they will grow together instead of looking to one man, I think the Gallas situation couldve had a little touch of what happened with Henry. I think him being the captain put pressure on the youngsters because he seems to be miserable also.
They will now rally around Cesc, I have no doubt!
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 10:42 pm
Ian Dolent, he who laughs last, laughs the best. You could only be laughed at if something is wrong but dont worry, keep the faith!
By: Paul N on November 24, 2008
at 10:44 pm
Ian,
I have no issue with spreading positivity and I don’t consider it laughable. People should be able to express what they feel.
I just write as I feel. Until we lost Hleb and Flam I was hugely optimistic and tipped the team to surprise everyone last season.
Living in denial does not help though and I can’t help feeling that some good may come of Gallas’ rant.
Maybe I’m living in the past but I find it harder to connect to the players now than before.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 10:46 pm
Why is that Alex because they are not winning?
By: Gunner4Ever on November 24, 2008
at 10:49 pm
Are you saying AIC is a born winner, G4E?
By: Poliziano on November 24, 2008
at 10:52 pm
ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL
Wan Arsene Wenger…Wan Arsene Wenger…QWan Arsene Weenngggeeerrr…theres only wan Arsene Weeennngggeeerrr
We got Cesc Febregas…we got Cesc Fabregas…we got Cesc Fabregas….we got Cesc Fabregas…..
Robin Van Persie……..clapclap,clapclapclap….Robin Van Persie….clapclap, clapclapclap
Did I see Ateeb around here…..thought you got arrested, son….sorry about that…entirely my fault …. about the worms I mean
Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal…..Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenaaa all…Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal…..Arsenal…ARSENAL (Pheeeep)
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 10:54 pm
ICECREAM The only reason I talked to Frank the moron was to prove that you, I and others were long time supporters. Then he accused me of fabricating the whole thing,but what suprises me most is I sent proof to YOGI of who I was , and what I HAD SAID WAS FACT AND HE DIDNT EVEN BOTHER TO INFORM FRANK AND PALS THAT HE HAS THE PROOF, HE JSUT IGNORED ME, SO I AM LOSING CONFIDENCE IN HIM AND MY FAVOURITE BLOG.
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 10:54 pm
Not totally sure. Its not success; I used to cheer on the team in the Don Howe days and they won nothing.
Since the move to the Emirates I have felt more of a distance between the players and the club. I also find the whole matchday experience less involving that at Highbury; maybe its the distance to the pitch.
Also a lot of players are new or relatively new compared to other team which had a mixture of newer and older players.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 10:55 pm
HEY GUYS FRANK IS BACK WHERES ALL YOUR BULLSHITE PROOF THAT I AM NOT WHO I SAY I AM?
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 10:56 pm
sol,
Maybe Yogi wasn’t around. You don’t have to justify yourself to anyone. Least of all Frank.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 10:57 pm
@ Sol,
He’s behind you! Good old panto season!
By: Big Al on November 24, 2008
at 10:58 pm
ALEX ATEEB IAN, Poor Frank has a brain blockage where he keeps repeating his words have pity on him
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 10:59 pm
Oh lordy, lordy…you still around, Solgooner…I’m sorry to be so disrespectful to a man in his late seventies……big birthday coming up and all. My father is the same…he said I should be much more respectful.
Sorry, old fella…
Stick your ear trumpet next to this…..
ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL
Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal….Arsenal, ARsenal, Arsenaaaa all…Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal….Arsenal…ARSENAL
Slighty different to the songs in your day…which I believe were quite witty..
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 11:01 pm
HEY BIGAL This idiot is just beyond belief. I dont know what his job is but I pity his employers
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 11:01 pm
FRANK 3 HOURS AGO YOU ALLEGED ALL I SAID WAS FICTION MAKE UP YOUR STUPID MIMD
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 11:03 pm
I’m not getting involved.
But Sol, did you know that it was Franco – the dastard – that changed the clocks in Spain to CET?! Before that Madrid was in the same zone as London.
He wanted have the same times as Germany and Italy. Crazy innit?!
By: Big Al on November 24, 2008
at 11:04 pm
BIGAL Do you know Steve Edwards from Boatronics who works in Palma Nautico mainly
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 11:04 pm
Not possible to mime on a blogsite, Solgooner…but I will give it a go…………………………………………………………………………………………did you enjoy it………………………………I will try……..to do it…..again…..I think it still counts as mime if I write and don’t speak……………………………………hang on …..this is f***ing difficult…………………………….there …what did you think….I just mimed Morning Spider by Marcel Marceau……wearing only a body stocking….YW might want to check that that is a first on a blogsite
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 11:06 pm
IT’S YOUR BED TIME GRANDPA AND DON”T FORGET TO SOAK THE DENTURES AGAIN
AND DON’T COMPLAIN CAUSE THAT’S WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU PLAY WITH THE KIDS
By: GrandPa Watch on November 24, 2008
at 11:08 pm
Hey Frank good to see you. Apologies for not giving enough time on the stall, caught a bad flu, so reading my way out of it with catch-22.
Interesting read.
Couldn’t contribute much because didn’t see the game. And when I finally managed to, the debate had shifted to other more important things. Apart from the true identity of Solgooner. As for the game, we created a few chances, and weren’t as bad as depicted by the media. Given that we had so many starters out.
Cesc the captain. I would have prefered giving him the captaincy after 3-4 years, and right now passed on to Rosicky. But his injury situation doesn’t bode well. So well, he’ll make a great captain anyways. Things are getting sorted out, the way I see it.
SOLGOONER, Relax old chap. Yogi might have not gone through his mails yet. What’s with this identity crisis of yours?
By: Ateeb on November 24, 2008
at 11:16 pm
Solgooner,
Frank is winding you up, presumably because he doesn’t like your negative comments about the team.
Don’t worry. I believe you are authentic, and you shouldn’t get upset by Frank.
By: Muppet on November 24, 2008
at 11:17 pm
GP Watch that was a little mean don’t you think?
Come on guys, let’s just hope for a new start with a new Captain. Who cares who’s old or who’s lying? What we are sure of is what you post every day.
Any one can pick the team tomorrow?
By: Gunner4Ever on November 24, 2008
at 11:18 pm
It’s not who you are that counts, it’s what you write.
By: Poliziano on November 24, 2008
at 11:19 pm
Nope Sol, I don’t really know many English people in Mallorca, would you believe. In fact I speak more German (poorly) than English some days. I work for/with Germans and often don’t get out of Palma unless it’s to Soller or Valldemossa.
Luckily my identity’s so mundane that I feel no real urgency to defend it!
By: Big Al on November 24, 2008
at 11:20 pm
I believe solgooner is solgooner.
By: Poliziano on November 24, 2008
at 11:22 pm
Big Al, ich kenne wer du bist, machst du keine sorgen daruber !!
By: Muppet on November 24, 2008
at 11:22 pm
Ateeb…mah san…where av you been already…(always wanted to do Ron Moody’s Fagin)….ah thort you ad bin arrested becos of de vorms unde da counter…?
You are sach an onist boy..ah nooo yooo would tell tha coppa abart the mescalin worms…..so ah swapped em with earthvorms…
Mamas chickin sooop for yoo ma boy….aynd strate too bed…theres no mistakin….
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 11:23 pm
Solgooner,
I don’t understand any of this; surely you know who you are and thats the truth isn’t……..well, isn’t it?
You are whover you want to be; whoever you say you are and whatever you want to be………
By: Sore Finger on November 24, 2008
at 11:25 pm
whoever, apols.
By: Sore Finger on November 24, 2008
at 11:25 pm
Poliziano, how about playing Solgooner as CF after january. Work rate may be slightly low, but imagine how he can fool the opponents that he is one of them. Get a pass, and score.
By: Ateeb on November 24, 2008
at 11:27 pm
Oh wow..is that the Grand Muppet, Muppet McPuppet himself…..by jiminy it looks a bit like him….joined another gang it seems…Ateeb got those shirts ready
Double strength Ibuprofen, Ateeb…alternate it with Paracetamol at two hourly intervals…lots of fluid…mainly citrus…lay off milk…tell them you can’t make work and curl up with some good DVDs until you feel better….get as much sugar into your system as you can…..and if you still have a fever try to pretend it is mescaline and listen to lots of King Crimson….Catch22 is good….but not very cheerful…take care….and I really mean take care….Frank
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 11:31 pm
solgooner can add some much needed experience to the team.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 11:33 pm
What’s this? Spain. Is Sol Spanish? Short for what? Soliterra, mmm, no isn’t that Sherry?
omg; sorry should be omG!
Its no good when your are just an occasional reader you know?
Does anyone else get lost in these comments?
Come on now tell me which one of you is Mr Red Action?
You’re the one I really have a rosbif with!
By: Sore Finger on November 24, 2008
at 11:34 pm
On second thoughts, combine King Crimson with lsd, they go together.
By: Muppet on November 24, 2008
at 11:35 pm
Vielen Dank, Muppet. Meine Identitätsproblemen sind endlich vorbei. Leider fangen meine zahlreiche Deutschschwierigkeiten erst jetzt an.
Sein oder nicht sein, das ist die Frage!
By: Big Al on November 24, 2008
at 11:35 pm
I just worry that solgooner has lost that yard of pace.
solgooner, how many yards of pace do you have?
What about solgooner as player-manager? He has told us himself about his business acumen, and his word is not to be doubted. With his walking-stick, he could make a good midfield hatchet man.
By: Poliziano on November 24, 2008
at 11:36 pm
Frank, don’t worry about the worms. The minute I sensed danger, I got rid of them. Maybe that’s why I feel a bit sick. But reading the book has led me to new ideas about our stall. We can start our own syndicate. In which evryone can have a share. Even Solgooner. Profits are to be made my friend. Here’s a paragraph from the book.
”
I don’t understand why you buy eggs at seven cents a piece in Malta and sell them for five cents.”
“I do it to make a profit.”
“But how can you make a profit? You lose two cents an egg.”
“But I make a profit of three and a quarter cents an egg by selling them at four and a quarter cents an egg to the people in Malta I buy them from for seven cents an egg. Of course, I don’t make the profit. The syndicate makes the profit. And everybody has a share.”
Yossarian felt he was beginning to understand. “And the people you sell the eggs to at four and a quarter cents a piece make a profit of two and three quarter cents a piece when they sell them back to you at seven cents a piece. Is that right? Why don’t you sell the eggs directly to you and eliminate the people you buy them from?”
“Because I am the people I buy them from,” Milo explained. “I make a profit of three and a quarter cents a piece when I sell them to me and a profit of two and three quarter cents apiece when I buy them back from me. That’s a total profit of six cents an egg. I lose only two cents an egg when I sell them to the mess halls at five cents apiece, and that’s how I can make a profit buying eggs for seven cents apiece and selling them for five cents apiece. I pay only one cent a piece at the hen when I buy them in Sicily.”
“In Malta,” Yossarian corrected. “You buy your eggs in Malta, not Sicily.”
Milo chortled proudly. “I don’t buy eggs from Malta,” he confessed… “I buy them in Sicily at one cent apiece and transfer them to Malta secretly at four and a half cents apiece in order to get the price of eggs up to seven cents when people come to Malta looking for them.”
By: Ateeb on November 24, 2008
at 11:37 pm
Passenal,
Thank you for your observation on my Anelka note.
Are you sure you should be contributing to a site such as this? Isn’t your view a little too balanced and well thought out?
Why do you think before you speak? Its a rare talent!!
By: Sore Finger on November 24, 2008
at 11:40 pm
Du sprichst wirklich gut deutsch Big Al ! Ich bin beiindruckt. Leider mein hauptproblem ist die umlaut zu finden !
Ja, sein order nicht sein. Naturlich.
By: Muppet on November 24, 2008
at 11:41 pm
Oh f***, ATeeb ..did you eat all the f***in worms….how can we even hope to match Milo if you eat all the worms….well if it makes you fell better…..
No, Muppet…KC is better with mescaline than lsd
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 11:41 pm
I think a brain transplant for Frank would be ideal especially as his exisiting brain is a very valuable commodity its unused
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 11:42 pm
Hmmm… pretty much your standard ranch stash so far as we head into the night…
Where are the Red Activists?
Are there any?
By: Sore Finger on November 24, 2008
at 11:44 pm
Look…Big Al is Big Al, Muppet….and Muppet is Muppet, Big Al…..identity is not a problem…and stop fiddling with your f***ing umlauts
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 11:45 pm
Excellent Senor Sol…. thats irony right? I get it at last!
Whats Spanish for red?
Do you want to be an activist?
By: Sore Finger on November 24, 2008
at 11:45 pm
Frank tambien un tonto sin inteligencia y cabeza flojo
mais il parle francais avec tout lequipe y avec monsieur docteur wenger
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 11:45 pm
Thanks Frank. I am trying my best. Have to get ready for the game. Have to see our new capi in action. The best, he will be. A legend he will become. Historic day tommorow. No more whining and moaning from our captain. No more of that touchy sensitive stuff about ” the young lads don’t show respect”. No more bul**** interviews, to promote your book. Cesc the awesome will set the world/pitch on fire tommorow. If you thought he was good at Milan, now on every game will be Milan (and alot of other games that surely I can’t fit on this comment section). Our unbeaten run starts tommorow. Throw in Vela, Ramsey and mix it with a bit of Wilshere. And round it off with the left over Hoyte. And add sprinkes of RVP. And let Denilson and Captain Cesc serve.
By: Ateeb on November 24, 2008
at 11:46 pm
How about a brain implant for Frank?
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 11:46 pm
Sore Finger…welcome…are you flirting with Passenal?
…and you are right where are these Red Inaction chappies??
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 11:46 pm
Senor Sol,
Did you know Mr Franco?
He was an activist I understand; were you around then?
By: Sore Finger on November 24, 2008
at 11:47 pm
Yes go Cesc , Wilshere and Co.
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 11:48 pm
Sol,
El es un culo grande. No me gusta como habla de las otras personas aqui. Un a person debe tener la libertad de decir lo que quiere.
Ojala que nos vaya bien con el capitan Cesc.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 11:49 pm
He was in Mallorca in the seventies, but I dont think he supported AFC
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 11:49 pm
Poliziano,
I like your idea better. Solgooner would be better utilised that way. I’m just not sure if he knows when to stop though. You know…..Keeps going on and on and on and on…..might give a little drag to our players. We wouldn’t want that.
By: Ateeb on November 24, 2008
at 11:49 pm
Mr Frank,
Its one thing to f*** with Senor Sol but dont question my sexuality!
By: Sore Finger on November 24, 2008
at 11:50 pm
Ahora todo el mundo habla en Espanol y Francesy Frank en El Gibberish
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 11:50 pm
Nuesto amigo habla la lengua de mierda solamente.
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 11:53 pm
Any credence to the story that Merida is playing ?
If so… any thoughts ?
By: Muppet on November 24, 2008
at 11:53 pm
I am getting motorised sneakers tent plus titanium heels Im unstopable look out John Terry
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 11:53 pm
Porque es un mierda
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 11:54 pm
Glücklicherweise habe ich eine Deutche Laptop.
Danke für deine mitleid,
Muss zugeben daß mein Universitätsstudium Deutsch war. Das heißt nicht, daß ich Deutsch gut schreiben oder sprechen kann, sondern ich habe Deutsche Literatuur und Kultur studiert. Ich konnte Englische Übersetzungen für die Mehrheit der Bücher findem.
Deshalb habe ich jetzt Probleme! Hast du Deutsch Studiert?
By: Big Al on November 24, 2008
at 11:54 pm
What a star you are Ateeb…go to bed..take it easy..and we will prevail tomorrow…….misery squad will still be about…no doubt they will find something to moan about and of course they will have spotted it all before…..we have seen today the lengths they will go to to spresd their rubbish….stolen identities etc etc ……but we will prevail you, Passenal, Flint, Muppet, G4E, Poliziano, Paul N, Veteran..YW who needed cheering up today…hope we managed it…..Sore Finger who seems to have something interesting about him….Ian Dolent…Big Al the private dick …etc etc
You never know, Solgooner might confess before we let out a few goodies…
By: Frank on November 24, 2008
at 11:56 pm
usted puede hacer mejor que el Señor Sol
By: Sore Finger on November 24, 2008
at 11:56 pm
Frank who only speaks fluent rubbish is getting confused
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 11:56 pm
finden – I mean I have to correct myself in English nearly all the time. German kicks things up a notch.
By: Big Al on November 24, 2008
at 11:56 pm
Muppet,
Young guns came out with that news. And they are usually quite reliable. He hasn’t caught the spotlight like Vela, Wilshere, or Ramsey. But he’s deffinately as good as any of them. Judging from how much I’ve seen of him, I think he likes to make the killer pass. And quite successfully too.
He has made the squad, but don’t know if he’ll play. So has Simpson, and Hoyte.
By: Ateeb on November 24, 2008
at 11:57 pm
El habla mierda.
Estamos confundiendonos!
By: Alex Ice Cream on November 24, 2008
at 11:57 pm
BIGAL It wasnt your uncle who bombed Coventry?
By: solgooner on November 24, 2008
at 11:58 pm
Internationals are over people, you missed the time frame.
By the way, you can get any thing translated on Google, so to the linguists: don’t get carried away
By: Gunner4Ever on November 24, 2008
at 11:59 pm
What a great blog this is!
By: dukeGoonem on November 25, 2008
at 12:00 am
GUYS In this show we have been puttting on you always need a dummy and Frank is ideal.
By: solgooner on November 25, 2008
at 12:00 am
Oh dear, Sol. Or should that be ‘Ach weh!’?
By: Big Al on November 25, 2008
at 12:00 am
GUYS This has been a great show tonite and in every show you need a dummy and a stooge and Frank played that part well
By: solgooner on November 25, 2008
at 12:03 am
Ich habe nur das Abitur auf deutsch genommen, als ich junger war. Ich habe meine License auf Informatik, deshalb wahrschienhlich bin ich nicht zu fliessend wie du.
Hast du einmal in Deutschland gewohnt oder gerarbeitet ?
By: Muppet on November 25, 2008
at 12:05 am
alex please contact me at gooner1939@gmail.com
By: solgooner on November 25, 2008
at 12:05 am
Ateeb,
Thanks. Very interesting. I did see a youtube video of him once, when he was in the Barcelona youth team. He looked sensational. But they always say that about youtube clips.
By: Muppet on November 25, 2008
at 12:06 am
Muppet Ive seen him at Barcelona and here hes great in the under 19 team and I hope he gets a chance as does Vela
By: solgooner on November 25, 2008
at 12:07 am
Shame on you Gunner4ever; you spoilt it for everyone.
Partypooper
By: Sore Finger on November 25, 2008
at 12:09 am
Solgooner,
Yes. I hope he does get a chance. I hope also that the wolves don’t surround Wenger before that with the usual accusations of playing youth.
Still, too many injuries at the moment. Not many options.
By: Muppet on November 25, 2008
at 12:09 am
I meant with the Spanish under 19 team
By: solgooner on November 25, 2008
at 12:09 am
Muppet,
Watching Merida in carling cup, he looked to me the most mature player on the pitch. He doesn’t try to complicate things, or do fancy stuff. He keeps it simple. Which is really something we need right now. Back to the basics.
I think I might have seen the youtube video as well. Nacer Barazite looked sensational as well. The music though is always a bummer.
By: Ateeb on November 25, 2008
at 12:10 am
lol at G4E re the google translation !
By: tee on November 25, 2008
at 12:10 am
Ateeb, lol… yeah these guys are always going for a grammy
By: Muppet on November 25, 2008
at 12:11 am
I believe MERIDA should hve been loaned to Ossasuna he would have come back like Vela with a lot more week to week experience
By: solgooner on November 25, 2008
at 12:11 am
My first point is that I am not at all confused Solgooner….some of the stuff you came out with is pretty base…strange that AIC thinks that he should have the right to speak but then reverts to Spanish to state privately to you that I am speaking shit….of course I am…that is the fun is it not?
But why would AIC then discuss the fact that you are both speaking shit spanish??
Big Al, is an honest chap and is wondering if his German is really good enough…and questions where or how Muppet studied German…..
I have a very, very strong statement to make to you in a moment or two, Solgooner…so those of a delicate disposition, please log out or at least forgive me.
By: Frank on November 25, 2008
at 12:13 am
Well folks its 1.15 and I have a 10AM meeting and being old slow and senile I think I will go to bed
By: solgooner on November 25, 2008
at 12:14 am
pensamiento mio:
where are the red activists; come on show your faces
By: Sore Finger on November 25, 2008
at 12:15 am
At last he’s gone to bed; no more spanish then?
The fact that some 90 years old Spanglish person can dominate this site really is s****
Where are you Red Action?
By: Sore Finger on November 25, 2008
at 12:19 am
What a jolly, multilingual troupe we are. Maybe we should all go on holiday together! All back to Solgooner’s?
By: Ian Dolent on November 25, 2008
at 12:20 am
Ian Im till awake Marbella is too laid back and for old fogeys
By: solgooner on November 25, 2008
at 12:22 am
Testing 1, 2
Testing 1, 2
Es todo ahora
The reds actions are missing
By: Sore Finger on November 25, 2008
at 12:23 am
Sore Finger whos stopping you from dominating the blog
By: solgooner on November 25, 2008
at 12:23 am
Zeit vier Jahren habe ich für ein paar Monaten in Hamburg gewohnt. Ich habe dort Germanistik ‘Studiert’ aber wenig gesprochen weil meine Wohngemeinschaft voll von Spanieren (?) und Französen war.
Es ist ziemlich peinlich für mich, daß du ein Abitur auf Deutsch. Habe ich bis jetzt keine fehler gesehen.
Wie Sol, muss ich jetzt schlafen. Aber es war sehr nutzlich für mich ein bißchen Übung zu holen. Bis morgen!
By: Big Al on November 25, 2008
at 12:24 am
The bombing of Coventry was hilarious, wasn’t it, Verbal…absolutely hilarious….and you managed to rope Big Al into your joke…well done. Bye AIC…watch your arse,son.
By: Frank on November 25, 2008
at 12:25 am
What a disaster. Those translation engines are an absolute joke, but I think it would’ve been the less embarrassing option in this case. A German person would be cracking up right now!
By: Big Al on November 25, 2008
at 12:26 am
Senor Sol,
Well, I guess it must be that barra boy Frank!
Err…if its not you that is….?
Where are the Red Actors?
By: Sore Finger on November 25, 2008
at 12:26 am
…daß du ein Abitur auf Deutsch haben. Bis jetzt habe ich…
By: Big Al on November 25, 2008
at 12:27 am
BIGAL Our ignorant friend doesnt know the faulty towers type humour whenever Im around German speakers I bring up German misdeeds. Worked great In Andraitx
By: solgooner on November 25, 2008
at 12:29 am
Good to see AIC does have a sense of humour after all.
Shame it only works in foreign.
By: Ian Dolent on November 25, 2008
at 12:30 am
well we had fun tonite this is a great blog and we alll forgot last Saturday
By: solgooner on November 25, 2008
at 12:31 am
We gotta keep the world inaction (red)
By: Sore Finger on November 25, 2008
at 12:33 am
Like I say, I’m not getting involved with that stuff. It really depends on who you’re dealing with, Sol. Sometimes it can be a real ice breaker. Other times it goes down like a lead balloon (or is that zeppelin?!)
One colleague loves the banter: ‘Jawolhl’ etc. I wouldn’t initiate anything like that though.
By: Big Al on November 25, 2008
at 12:34 am
WHY if we are that BAD were we one win ( man u ) away from the title last year yes we need a CB DM and a top keeper , but imagine if we still had bruce Rioch as manager where would we be
boring boring Arsenal with no trophys in the last 15 years
BE REAL
By: danny murphy on November 25, 2008
at 12:34 am
This ‘my hovercraft is full of eels’ stuff is excellent…..nice on Big Al
On a serious note…interesting sharing the blog with a 78 year old man who lived in London during the war who thinks that the bombing of Coventry is funny…..if my mother meets him he won’t make 79…her family were in Coventry during the war and several friends were killed…they were children at the time…never heard a 78 year old Englishman speak of Coventry like that before….undoubtedly there were many in Germany who suffered the same fate…that generation find it difficult to forget……except, Solgooner of course…..is this what Arsenal fans have become???? You f***ing liar
By: Frank on November 25, 2008
at 12:35 am
“faulty towers type humour whenever Im around German speakers I bring up German misdeeds. Worked great In Andraitx”
Excuse me but Fawlty Towers parodied such bigotry; so its funny if you see it that way but not… if………….maybe you’ve just outed yourselves?
By: Sore Finger on November 25, 2008
at 12:40 am
Hey Frank my brother,
I’d let it lie for a while. Pick your battles, I don’t think you’re going to get much joy in this one, for now.
Still, I’m sure that must be the most times you’ve ever been called stupid in one day. (Family doesn’t count) ;o)
By: Ian Dolent on November 25, 2008
at 12:43 am
Can one out oneself?
Maybe not
If one could, one would be inside out.
So, I apologise my previous remark was technically incorrect.
Nevertheless, very accurate. What do you think Big Al?
By: Sore Finger on November 25, 2008
at 12:45 am
Hey Frank,
Seen a fair amount German film – it was my way of copping out of actually learning the language properly. I don’t want to make generalisations about how they coped, or have coped until now.
I’d say check out anything by Fassbinder or a film called ‘Die Bleierne Zeit’ by von Trotta, I think. Difficult viewing, but definitely cool. Also, try ‘The Reader’ by Bernard Schlink. Once you get past the perverted opening, you get to see all the old wounds get opened up. Grizzly stuff. OK, must sleep.
By: Big Al on November 25, 2008
at 12:45 am
You are not my brother, Ian…and I get called stupid , c***, imbecile, inept, fascist, arsehole almost daily…I have had my children and my family insulted…..and all the time by people who claim that I have no brain and that my optimism is misguided…….f*** off with your advice, sunshine, f*** off
ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL
By: Frank on November 25, 2008
at 12:45 am
‘The Reader’ is a book btw. Nytol!
By: Big Al on November 25, 2008
at 12:46 am
Wan Arsene Wenger….theres only wan Arsene Wenger…wan Arsene Weeennnnggggeeerrr…theres only wan Arsene Weennngggeeerrr
By: Frank on November 25, 2008
at 12:46 am
Danny Murphy: I SALUTE YOU!
Never, ever thought I’d see myself writing that!
Nice one Sir.
By: Sore Finger on November 25, 2008
at 12:47 am
I dont speak spanish or german but I’m fluent in Jamaican patoi – check dis!
“Arsenal ah go kick up Dynamo Kiev Blow wow inna di morrows!”
By: Paul N on November 25, 2008
at 12:47 am
I don’t need any more war stories, Big Al…my family have provided me with many, many first hand accounts and my son speaks German nigh on fluently…his great passion before University was German political history…..
By: Frank on November 25, 2008
at 12:49 am
Hey Frank, I’m just trying to show some support.
Try a little tenderness…
By: Ian Dolent on November 25, 2008
at 12:50 am
You are a good man. Paul N…and a star
By: Frank on November 25, 2008
at 12:50 am
Ah tink it may b time 4 da fingameister to retire and go doooo his stuff
By: Sore Finger on November 25, 2008
at 12:51 am
I don’t need your support, Ian
By: Frank on November 25, 2008
at 12:51 am
Good night, SF…sweet dreams
By: Frank on November 25, 2008
at 12:53 am
If you say so Frank, but you might be surprised.
Anyway, I had always thought that a little fragrance clings to the hand that gives the rose.
Had no idea you were so prickly though, my mistake.
By: Ian Dolent on November 25, 2008
at 12:55 am
You obviously don’t give roses very often, Ian
By: Frank on November 25, 2008
at 12:58 am
Are you a girl, Sore Finger?
By: Frank on November 25, 2008
at 12:59 am
Exactly
By: Ian Dolent on November 25, 2008
at 12:59 am
I’m not really being prickly, Ian…I am just trying to get out of this mime bodystocking thing so that I can have a piss.
By: Frank on November 25, 2008
at 1:01 am
Frank,
hmmmn
By: Sore Finger on November 25, 2008
at 1:01 am
Cheers Frank, apart from your */#$!@ words, I like your style too! ha ha!
Frank we know there is something special about this team we just have to have their back and they will come with the goods!
By: Paul N on November 25, 2008
at 1:02 am
What you mean you don’t know, SF?
By: Frank on November 25, 2008
at 1:02 am
Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal….Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenaaa all……Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal….Arsenal…ARSENAL
By: Frank on November 25, 2008
at 1:06 am
Frank,
Frankly, I dont like this…ooh I didn’t mean Frank/Frankly like that but now I’m all flustered and don’t know what to say!!
If you persist I may become a Spanish war baby!
Don’t try to bully me.
May you rest in peace
OOPS!
I meant as in; have a good night’s sleep not die and be burned etc and then have a happy whatever these revisionists call it (afterlife? or does that desribe Senor Sol et Al?)
By: Sore Finger on November 25, 2008
at 1:10 am
[...] from the comments section of A Cultured Left Foot, comment by By: Muppet on November 24, 2008 at 9:17 pm [...]
By: Cesc - El Capitán « The World as I see It on November 25, 2008
at 5:54 am
Solgunner y So.re F.inger son ambos penes estúpidos. mudo como vaca. Aclamaciones
By: Max_Underwood on November 25, 2008
at 7:35 am
I think this is a cool post from Gunnerblog…click my name if you like to read it.
By: Gunner4Ever on November 25, 2008
at 7:54 am
Good morning FRANK Just to clarify your stupidity some of my own family were killed in the Blitz in 1940, so humour with Germans appeals to me.tinged with sadness
Its a pity your turned on me as I am sure your Dad doesnt realise the diatribe you made about my stories of the past that were 100% true. and Yogi knows it even if hes deaf and dumb now
By: solgooner on November 25, 2008
at 8:01 am
G4E that was great CHANGE starts tonight
By: solgooner on November 25, 2008
at 8:04 am
FRANK Dont you think somethings wrong when you say you and your family get insulted every day,? It seems odd to me
By: solgooner on November 25, 2008
at 8:07 am
Maybe my family are insulted maybe not , old fella…you will never know will you?
Maybe I am an unemployed mime artist trying to get a pitch in Covent Garden…..but then maybe not…
Maybe I am a doctor or nurse….maybe not
Maybe I am a sixties hippie…maybe not
Maybe I went to University in London…..Big Al thinks so….but maybe not
Maybe I was born in Scotland….maybe not
Maybe I am a stall holder…..pretending to be a stall holder….not a stall holder…
Doesn’t matter really
Maybe you live in Spain…..maybe not
Maybe you used to live in America….may be not
Maybe you lived in Stoke Newington…..maybe not
Maybe you went to the Moscow Dynamo game …maybe not
Maybe you are 78…or 72…..or 64…..or 54……or 44…..or 34…..mybe not
I doesn’t really matter…..just great fun….some of it is horrible …some a great joy…some creative …some boring….
Who cares we are just trying to get behind the manager and players aren’t we?……maybe not!
ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL
By: Frank on November 25, 2008
at 8:19 am
[...] from the comments section of A Cultured Left Foot, comment by By: Muppet on November 24, 2008 at 9:17 pm [...]
By: The Bleak Midwinter « The World as I see It on November 25, 2008
at 8:22 am
….oh Muppet you’ve gone and spoiled it now!…….maybe
By: Frank on November 25, 2008
at 8:28 am
I mean how are we supposed to call you the Grand Muppet, Muppet McMuppet…named by your parents Dave and Sue McMuppet becuase they could not think of a suitable name….
By: Frank on November 25, 2008
at 8:29 am
FRANK for once we agree completely, tonight I hope is the start of a new era,
Ask your dad if he remembers the 653 and 647 buses, he will know what era that was.
By: solgooner on November 25, 2008
at 9:02 am
Muppet youre a poet and now we all know it…
By: solgooner on November 25, 2008
at 9:03 am
Frank,
I have some bad news for you. I too was a spectator at that great match between Arsenal and Dynamo Kiev in 1945. Remember it as if it was yesterday. The thing that sticks it my mind is the fog. I’ve never seen anything like it. I actually suspect that Kiev had more than 11 players on the pitch. I don’t know if anyone else has ever suggested that. I can confirm that a young man called solgooner was there. All the fans and players knew him. Miserable bugger he was, even then. He never laughed except when someone was killed by a German bomb. We could never see the joke. “That’s a bit edgy,” we used to say, in the language of those days.
By: Poliziano on November 25, 2008
at 9:50 am
Going down the tunnel …tunnel….tunn……tu now…..ow…ow…ow.
By: Frank on November 25, 2008
at 12:19 pm