Posted by: Yogi's Warrior | November 24, 2008

Turbulent Times Indeed

MANCHESTER CITY 3 – 0 ARSENAL

1 – 0 Ireland (45)
2 – 0 Robinho (56)
3 – 0 Sturridge (pen 90)

A deliberate choice not to post yesterday. In view of the outcome at the City of Manchester stadium, I decided to take a step back.

The result was not surprising nor was the performance. A patchwork quilt of a side gave a bits and pieces of a performance. The decisive action Arsene made in removing Gallas as captain unsurprisingly meant he was not included in the squad for this match. I doubt his inclusion would have changed much, if anything. Under normal winning circumstances, the result could have been seen as inevitable but taken as a blip. These are not normal circumstances. The result is very much a continuation of the poor run of form exhibited by the squad in recent weeks.

Typically, the media reaction has been anything from vaguely reasonable to totally hysterical, the honour for which falls to Rob Beasley of News of the World infamy, who decided that the colour of Nicklas Bendtner’s boots summed up the crisis. Is there are crisis at the club? In terms of ability, no. In terms of confidence? Most definitely. Problematically for Arsene Wenger, that feeling will not be lifted in the stands by a win over Dinamo Kyiv this week. This time, sustained results, particularly against Chelsea at the weekend, are required.

Inevitably, the Gallic shadow cast by William Gallas’ actions is large and darkening Arsene’s doorstep. The media had been baying for blood and having stoically fought them off since St Andrews, little doubt that Wenger felt hugely let down by his compatriot. Stripping him of the captaincy was a swift and decisive action by the manager. Omitting him from the squad shows the effect it has had on Gallas mentally. He probably sees himself as the scapegoat. Reports suggest he believed the conversation with the journalist to have been off the record. How much truth there is in that is unknown by as much as it is believable, the opposite is also true. I was going to suggest that this could be an interesting chapter to read in his memoirs but it certainly will be in the paperback version, if not the hardback when it is released over here.

What does Wenger do with the defender? Unsubstantiated reporting suggests he has taken the relieving of his duties badly. Quotes attibuted to the player in Saturday morning’s press look suspiciously like old sayings regurgitated as far as finishing his playing days in France are concerned. For the match against Kyiv, it will take an enormous showing of character on Gallas’ part to participate. It will be a humiliating experience, his chastisement already public, his downfall confirmed as someone else leads out the side. It has been suggested that he and Fabregas – the people’s captain – do not see eye to eye, an easy and cheap accusation to make in the circumstances, the media knowing that no-one in the club will confirm or deny in light of Wenger’s refusal to broach the subject of the captaincy going forward.

Gallas’ character is going to show through in the coming weeks. As much as the media wanted to hang, draw and quarter him, they now need him to close the chapter. Indeed, that is a strong argument to get him to do an interview with ATVO or ATV to put things out in the open and, provided contrition is shown, draw a line under the affair, at least until he has left the club. If that is to be in January, Wenger will presumably only do so with a replacement lined up.

So to the match. There were few positives to take from it, save for the relief that it is out of the way. They can consider themselves unfortunate to have gone in a goal down at half time yet it was more comedy defending which put them in that position. Once more it was the left side with Clichy and Silvestre producing a gentleman’s excuse me for Ireland to capitalise on. Heads went down mentally and they were picked off in a counter-attack, Robinho showing impudence when finishing for the second. The penalty award in the last minute was almost irrelevant, harsh but symptomatic of the afternoon.

Bendtner has been criticised for being ineffective yet a forward is only as good as the service provided which on Saturday was negligible for the most part. That said, he should have done better with the limited opportunities which came his way, the difference between ‘making it’ and not is as marginal as the distance by which the Dane failed to make contact with the ball.

In defence, Djourou had a decent enough game in the circumstances providing the hope that a happier team situation might produce more solidity with the Swiss youngster in the side. Wenger will be hoping no doubt that Kolo Toure is fit for Tuesday for Hoyte was exposed for pace and positioning. It does not mean that he is not good enough, simply that he is not ready to come into a disrupted defence. Ramsey came on as a substitute and injected some urgency but to be honest, the circumstances before the game had too much impact for differences to be made, despite Wenger’s protestations to the contrary.

Arsene made much afterwards of not answering questions about Gallas, save to say that he had a future at the club publicly at least. That was a mistake in my opinion, not in the aspect of Gallas having a future but not answering questions in detail. It was surely better to have got that hurdle out of the way for he will have already made his decision about a long-term replacement before admonishing the former captain.

Wenger believes the team needs to have more than one leader. He is correct in that there has to be a show of character. He is wrong in that this team needs a strong leader, someone whose opinion and word they all respect. If that is Fabregas, so be it. Wenger’s other options appear only to be Toure or Almunia. Nothing against the goalkeeper but it is a position that cannot influence the game very readily. If there were other leaders on the pitch, that might be a solution but so far this season, there has been little to suggest that there has been.

’til Tomorrow.


Responses

  1. Almunia being captain won’t take us anywhere, Wenger knows this better than anyone. I will be very disappointed to see it given to him, I like Almunia and i have backed him numerous times but he shouldnt be captain end of.

    There is only really 2 candidates now, Cesc and Toure. Both players the fans love, and both players that will die for the club.. for me Clichy is way too inexperienced and he is proving that with a number of his errors lately. Take nothing away from him, i think he is the best left back around. But when you need to look to someone on the pitch for guidance or security,.. id prefer Toure or Cesc.

    Giving it to Cesc will make all us fans very happy, it will lift the team… because we know we have a world class midfielder leading us. Remember Torres was a teenager when he was captain of Athletico Madrid!! Age dont necessarily matter, he is ready and is our only chance in turning our season around.

  2. Too major players were disgraced on Saturday…and both have been gradually diminishing in stature over the last few months but particulaly the last few week….the first is William Gallas….the second is the so-called supporters…

  3. ….actually there were two players who were too major

  4. Great Post Yogi, I have said all along that we should give the Captaincy to Cesc. Not just because he is a world class player but because he genuinely cares about the club and also is very level headed in front of the cameras.

    He is an intelligent young man who could really help the boys to rally around.

    However, if he has eyes to move at some point in the near future then offering him the armband to try to keep him here is not right. He has to be captain because he wants to lead Arsenal not because it is a carrot to keep him here.

    I don’t think Gallas can stay now his position within the team can now only be disruptive and if the armband was given to Cesc would Gallas be man enough to take instructions from him?? I doubt it.

  5. I am gutted. I don’t recall having faced such dire times as an Arsenal supporter. I may not be as old as some of the “older” supporters here; but if my short memory of being an Arsenal supporter serves me well, I don’t recall any November when we were speaking about Carling/FA Cups as reasonable targets vis-a-vis the Premiership.

  6. Frank the whole club is disgraced, seems as if we are just rolling over and getting beaten. I am too ashamed of our performances, but its very early in the season, give Cesc the captaincy and lets move on from this.

    Wenger has shown that he can be bold by removing Gallas as captain, if he leaves so be it.. it just shows to all of us that he didnt have the character to lead this team. He can blame them for being young and argueing all he wants, he has failed.

  7. I think you may be closer in age to some of the ‘older’ supporters than you think Radgovin…but of course you know that. As far as I am concerned we are still in four competitions…not looking good in the Prem but it is not yet lost…and the others are still very much there to play for.

    Chin up…it has been worse than this….we can turn this round especially with some real support

  8. What we need is a manager to get real.Wenger said the 3-0 scoreline was flattering to City.He is having a laugh it could easily have been 6 or 7. Gavin Hoyte is no better than his brother who we got rid of in the summer.The whole midfield was useless with Denilson shocking.They wre given the run around by Ireland and SWP.And Clichy is a shodow of the player we think he is.And dont get me started about that lump Bendtner up front,the 2008 version of Lee Chapman

    Now Wenger is bring Gallas back into the team for the Kiev game.What a joke.Who is running the club Wenger or Gallas.Gallas should be out the door NOW.Would Ferguson have put up with his behaviour?

  9. Goodness me, Drew10, is that a teleprinter keyboard?

  10. Do you expect a response to that, Aneta?

  11. Frank

    It is not the fans fault.The support at Eastlands was brilliant even when we were 2 down and having to watch us getting mullered.The problem is the stubborness of the manager.His faliure to strengthen the squad in the summer is killing us.Last season injuries cost us the title since then we have lost Helb,Flamini,Gilberto and Senderos and the squad is even weaker than last season
    Unless Wenger does something in january results like saturday will become a habit.

    Dont blame the fans blame the manager and the players

  12. Frank cant blame the players, it goes against his Cyborg programming

  13. Franks directive 4 -

    ‘Any criticism of Arsenals players even when they dont give a toss will result in shut down’

  14. Compared to some “stalwarts” over here, I am but a kid. Nevertheless, I agree with you Frank that the team needs our support more than ever NOW. I just wish that I was in London to egg the team on as opposed to being in India! :(

  15. YW

    If AW is as ruthless as PHW was quoted as saying, then simply saying “Gallas has a future” might be the best in the circumstances.

    “This issue has shown that Arsene can be ruthless. He has to be otherwise people can run all over you.

    “As for whether Gallas has a future at the club, that will be up to Arsene. But I think Gallas has got a problem.

    Arsene will advise the board over that and we will support him no matter what.”

    PHW was remarkably open, in contrast to AW.

  16. Maybe a “good guy, bad guy” routine between AW and PHW.

  17. Radgovin,

    Its not all the fans fault though is it? The players have to rise-up and make an effort first. If theres no effort then there wont be much support

  18. Frank

    I admire your optomism but you could not have watched the last two games.We are in crisis.

    The team has no confidence,the manager has run out of ideas and he looks like he has lost the dreesing room

    4th place is going to be a real struggle this season considering the easy fixtures we have had at the start of the season

    Our season will be definded in January when Wenger HAS to buy a CH,a defensive midfielder or risk no CL football next season

  19. Frank, that is a Spectrum, surely you are old enough to remember them.

    Guys the fact is we have let too many leaders leave the club and not replaced them. Last season letting Henry go seemed like a master stroke. Wenger obviously thought the same may happen when letting Hleb go.

    Let’s face it, we replaced Hleb with Nasri, but Wenger also assumed that Rosicky’s injury would have been better by now.

    Flamini should have been no problem to replace within the ranks although it has proved to be otherwise. If we are honest we all thought Diaby would fill that roll easily.

    Letting Senderos go was just daft in my opinion, I still maintain he was the kind of player we have needed in all these games we have lost. Big, Ugly and uncompromising and also a leader on the pitch, in terms of the way he plays at any rate.

    Look at this midfield here, Gilberto, Diarra, Flamini, Hleb. Makes you think doesn’t it?

  20. I agree with Aneta.

    Gallas should not get anywhere near an Arsenal shirt again, irrespecitive of how little other choices we have in defence.

    If we have to take backward steps to go forward, then so be it. AW should have stripped him of the captaincy immediately after Birmingham last year, never mind now.

  21. lets face it we were pathetic on sat, are some of our players colour blind?? they keep passing to the opposition, i.e. song and denilson, diaby seems to want to beat 4-5 players before he thinks about passing, when ramsey came on he was like a breath of fresh air,why oh why did he not play ramsey and jack from the start,surley with so many injuries it was the ideal time.
    unlike other people i do not think the season over sure 10 points behind but still 24 games to go and still in 3 cup comps so it is not all doom and gloom. I rember billy wrights team now that was a crisis for a few seasons, as you can see still a gooner till i die, 2-1 tuesday

  22. These are turbulent times. However, if punter confidence can be restored, experts predict an upturn in performance inside the next couple of quarters.

    Seriously though.

    I’m going all Howard on this mofo! I think we need a couple of English – or British – players this January. And here’s why:

    Now, I disagree that English players have more grit or fighting spirit than those from abroad. I just don’t buy it, an a casual glance at our recent history confirms that it is a myth.

    Nevertheless, we are an English club with mostly English fans attending on match-days. You only have to listen to the chants of ‘Theo! Theo’ when our young English winger makes any contribution to know that he is held in high esteem by the fans.

    I really don’t think that Walcott does more for the team than, say, Eboue or Denilson. It’s just that the fans identify with him more. It’s a pernicious attitude on their part, but that doesn’t matter; the fans won’t change. And foreign players have to do so much more to gain the respect of the fans than English or British ones.

    One of the biggest problems we’ve faced this season – apart from the fetid bilge of pundits and hack-writers – is the lack of rapport between fans and team. Maybe a quick solution could be brought about by paying attention to a player’s passport for once, if only to get the fans behind the team.

  23. Big Al,

    All of the best English players are too expensive and already CL cup-tied.

    Any thoughts on anyone else we could bring in from these shores?

  24. What is a Spectrum, Drew10….is it a sort of teleprinter?

  25. I say Wenger should give the finger to the fans. Fans are supposed to support the team, not the other way around.

    Last season, the fans claimed that only Clichy, Sagna, and Fabregas were good enough for Arsenal. This season, Fabregas and Clichy have began to attract a lot of sniping as well. If Wenger wanted to appease the fans, he’d have to dispose of everyone but Sagna.

  26. Wenger gave Gallas one more chance after the Birmingham fiasco when he should have been stripped of the captaincy.What are the other players going to think if they see has got away with it again?He made the same mistake with Adebayor in the summer.Kick out all the bad apples at the club

  27. Whatever happens we need to respond by a show of togetherness no doubt bolstered by the return of one or more of our 9 first team absentees for upcoming fixtures.Good post as ususal Yogi though I disagree about Wenger needing to comment about Gallas after the game. I think that as much as the performance may have owed much to Gallas’s ill timed tirade and fragile confidence around the team he needed to analyse the perforance of the players that “turned out” on the pitch. Rather than inflate Billy’s ego any further than he has alreay inflated it.

    No doubt Gallas raises some pertinent issues but as usual went about it totally the wrong way. Finding the right balance in midfield to sustain both attacking threat and defensive cover for the back four still seems to be the issue .However I think this player is within the club and hope he stands up to the challenge soon.

  28. If Gallas truly believed that parts of what he said to a journalist in an interview can be “off the record”, then he ought to have his head examined.

  29. Luke,

    He’s a moron, just like Adebeyor and Van Persie. Selfish idiots who have ego’s the size of Ray Parlours ex-wife. There not up for the fight, there probably thinking about leaving

  30. YW hit the nail on the head today.

    I was so distressed that I am at loss for words the last 36 hours. No point saying I told any anything so. We need to get behind the team now more so than ever. These lads needs our support and despite his poor form Cesc is still in valuable to our midfield. Denilson seems to only play well with Cesc and no one else. Diaby fell to pieces likewise. These players are still boys that need one another to pull up their games so not ready to be consistent. AW will realised that by now and if not now I donot know when.

    All said and done we are only 10 points behind the EPL leader but the rot has to stop NOW.

    Come on you Gunners!!!

    Up The Arse !!! Up The Arse!!! Up The Arse!!!
    We are the Arsenal!!!!

  31. Drew 10,

    Bruce Dyer?!

    I’m not going to say who I think we should buy. In fact, if I made a couple of suggestions I’d be laughed off the blog! I think the players we could use would probably come from teams that aren’t in Europe. And these guys would definitely have less technical ability than the players we already have.

    I’m thinking Ray Parlour standard – perhaps lower.

    And if we did buy from European rivals, I don’t believe that having cup-tied English players would matter so much really; the players we have now seem to perform well in Europe.

    I really don’t think the problem has anything to do with ability, just confidence. Like I say, the fans aren’t going to be won over by a team that’s not winning. And at the moment, it doesn’t seem possible for this young side to perform without the unreserved support of the fans that we saw in the ManU match.

    I’m just offering my thoughts on a possible answer.

  32. Just a point of information….Peter the supporters were on the players backs at the Man City game…same as the Fulham game last year…it was horrible…

    Most of the Arsenal players are deeply suspicious of the supporters now…there is no connection between the two…the supporters have been dising players on blogs for so long that it has a very, very negative effect…if you think that players don’t read blogs…you must be stark staring f***ing mad. I know little about football but I do know about motivation and these players are demotivated

    It may well be the same with other teams…as you will no doubt tell me…..but we are not other clubs are we …..want to know why?…well …we are hip …we are cool ….we are Arsenal and we rule lalalalaaaah…lalalaaaaah…..lalaaaaaah

    F*** the negative commenters, F*** the negative blogs, F*** the media…..F*** the press……get behind Arsene Wenger and the team…..this is the time to be a supporter….now…now…do it…stop whining and do it…

    ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL

  33. I agree with mg

  34. That’s a whole lotta F*ckin!

  35. Frank,

    Yes Frank its all the supporters fault.

    Any thoughts on the players not giving a shit?

    Dont talk about players needing motivation, the spuds were getting booed off the pitch by there WHOLE stadium and they’ve turned it around.

    There professionals for fecks sake

  36. No Arse21..it is about making a differecne as a supporter…your way won’t work it will lead to disaster…..if we get behind the team we might help raise their confidence….if we don’t we will make a bad situation worse…

    The acid test for me is……Arse21…shall I pick you as a player or not……NO….like to but I can’t….you are too negative….I need a positive influence on team…….Nope…off you go….don’t need you

    Did you ever get picked Arse21?…and if you did …did you win anything?

  37. Do you think the players do read the blogs?

    I hope they weren’t affected by Puff the Magic Dragon.

  38. Oh I forgot…

    Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal…..Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenaaa all….Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal……Arsenal…ARSENAL

  39. Some had puffy eyes…as though they had been ….err…errrr don’t start me off……WAAAAAAHHHHHH….WAAAAAAAHHHHHHn

  40. Frank

    Therein is the eternal question. Supporters will support the team but if the team are not delivering, they should not expect to be immune from criticism. That said, the criticism should be constructive not destructive.

    At the end of the day though, the reason there is little or no connection between the players and supporters is not down to them being criticised, it is down to the fact the players are wealthy and no longer mix in the same circles as the vast majority of fans. Those days are long over.

    I would agree about negativity but at the end of the day, until the players deliver performances there is always going to be criticism. Indeed, even when the team is performing well, there is still criticism of certain players so plus ca change…

    YW

  41. Know anything about these Spectrum things, Poliziano?…this Drew fellow has one as an aviator…avterburn…..havatar….you know? Why would you do that?…. have one of these Spectrum things as an………you know …thingy?

  42. The fans are vital in helping our players fight for points right now… FIGHT is exactly what we are lacking. I agree to a point when some of you say its because they are foreign, but players like Cesc, Clichy, Toure, Van Persie all run like idiots for the whole game. You cannot blame their nationalities for our lack of form right now.

    *CONFIDENCE is at an all time Low!!
    *Our Captain has publicly criticised the team and never had complete backing from them and the fans!
    *Pressure on our young players is growing to perform!
    *Plus the media has been on our backs since opening day of the season!

    Wenger will not want to suggest a crisis, but im afraid it is… I cant really criticise any players because they all are extremely poor as a unit.

    Im just praying Wenger installs Cesc as Captain and somehow it turns our season around

  43. I remember a few years back, on days when the mighty Pascal Cygan used to play in defence.

    The way the whole team played changed. It was as if they all stopped playing with so much confidence because everyone was a little concerned about what might happen behind them.

    I think until we can sort out a good central defensive partnership, then everyone else is going to be worrying that errors will be made.

    A lot of goals scored against us have been defensive lapses or soft set-plays and I think this affects the rest of the team more than we realise.

    I don’t think we need to go crazy and sack all the kids and get in 10 new players, I reckon it should be Djourou + 1 other, even if that 1 other is Gallas, I don’t care. I just want some continuity.

  44. Thanks, YW…logical conclusion is then that supporters are there to make things worse when they are bad….and make things better when they are good?…..and it doesn’t matter becuase they are just a bunch of rich kids anyway……oh dear oh dear oh dear……so what do we do? Give up?

  45. I don’t know much about “Spectrums.” I think they might have used them at Bletchley. Perhaps Drew worked there at some time.

  46. Fever Pitch was on last night and it reminded me of times when Arsenal were a tough side. I agree that the fans play their part but if the plyers do not care there isn’t much the fans can do.

    The 1989 team did not have 20% of the skill of the current team but they could get a result in a stadium full of people baying for their blood. They were tough, experienced, battle-hardened.

    The current crop are lazy, disinterested and over-indulged by the manager. Like Gallas said having too much too soon is a bad thing.The joke is that we are now considering giving RvP 80k a week. Can anyone tell me why? This guy is still as immature as when he arrived and has yet to complete a season or score 15 goals in 1 season, so why 80k a week? Its madness.

    I can tolerate a team that is limited but puts in the effort and shows a willingness to battle and show that they care about the shirt and winning games. I do not see any of these qualities in these arrogant, spoilt kids who think that they have a divine right to win maches by just passing the ball around.

    I hope that AW looks at his experiment and some of these players that he has invested so much time in and make the changes that are necessary instead of making excuses for his precious players. Its not too late for this season but we need to change and quickly.

  47. ….wow, YW….I just read your last comment again……how utterly, utterly depressing…

  48. Actually, YW……the floor is all yours and your negative guys…this is tough enough as it is…..I am off

  49. Frank,

    Please go and take your delusions with you.

    Anyone who dares criticise “Master Wenger” is an infidel and must be banished.

    Wake up.

  50. AIC

    Overly harsh on the team. I do not think they are lazy, suffering severely from a lack of leadership and confidence. Arsene can give them the former but only they can bring back the latter.

    To be honest, I suspect that they need to be told to forget everything that has gone before, to stop dwelling on their mistakes and to get back to the basics on controlling the ball, patience and scoring, backed up by a lot of hard work.

    Their confidence must have got to such a point where maybe the change in captain is what they need to be given fresh impetus. Perhaps even to be told by Arsene to forget this season so far. To start afresh.

    YW

    YW

  51. Win back the Little Englanders. By Albion, buy British! Change the names of the foreign players:

    Samir Nasri should be Samuel Nettles
    Denilson should be Dennis Nelson
    Alex Song is now Alex Sexton
    Emmanuel Eboue becomes Neil Elderton
    Kolo Toure is Colin Tudor
    Johann Djourou should be John Drewe

    Hey, that was fun!

  52. Wake up and see that we are destroyed?…is that your point……AIC?…still selectively reading comments I see…seen an opportunity with YWs comment have you?

  53. Yogi,

    This team do not work hard enough during matches which I why I say that they are lazy. We have been outworked by hungrier teams on a number of occasions this season and its not good enough.

    I agree that they need a fresh start though.

  54. YW

    That is exactly what the team needs… forget everything which has happened this season so far and get back to what we do best.

    We are one of the best footballing sides on the planet on our day, nobody can argue that. Why are we trying to comprimise this to play ugly all of a sudden???

  55. Frank,

    Wake up and see that we need to change.

  56. My prediction is that 10000 season ticket holders will not turn up on Tuesday night….and 10 minutes from the end there will 10000 Arsenal supporters left in the stadium….the floods out of the ground having started 10 minutes earlier…just like the Veeelllaa match…..no doubt you will be in the pub AIC….bawling at the players….they won’t hear you but you will still bawl….

  57. As we are going through a bad patch…isn’t it self evident that we need to change?

    One of the things that needs to change is the one thing that supporters can do……get behind the team…..

  58. AIC

    Change is indeed needed but not necessarily to the drastic extent that is being said. Centre back – yes, Gallas is going to need to show previously unseen depths of character to recover his motivation from this.

    Who knows, perhaps losing the captaincy will make him a stronger player but I somehow doubt it as he appears to be too emotional. Interestingly, his website does not mention the events of the last few days.

    There is a sense of desperation around due to the current form to the extent that a self-absorbed prick such as Piers Morgan gets given serious time of day.

    YW

  59. Negative? What does that mean. Telling it how one sees it in the hope of change or just shouting abuse. I would say the latter. the former? Just fair comment.

    Many Arsenal fans believed this squad was too young at the start of this campaign and that we would not win anything this season. That didn’t really bother me as I am an Arsenal fan and believe in the club and in Arsene. It’s a long road.

    The season is turning out to be worse than expected. This risks damaging the project that Arsene has been working on. Long term strength and financial sustainability. The good players will leave or have their development stunted by failure- some of it humiliating. The money will get tighter. It risks becoming a spiral.

    I think that is a subject worthy of debate. It certainly should he aired even if a few posters find it unpalatable.

    Personally, I don’t see much difference between our support at the Emirates and those at other London clubs. Yes, there are some new comers not steeped in the Arsenal of old. Well, we’ll take their money won’t we? The behaviour of some fans does, or should not, impact decisively on professionals. As someone commented earlier, look at Spurs.

    We do need reinforcement or things could get a lot worse. We need more MEN in the side. Remember the great sides of the past? Who were the kids in the first double winning side? Extravantly gifted individuals like Charlie and Eddie. The rest were tough and seasoned pros. Same in GG’s and Arsense’s earlier winners.

    Sorry Frank, that is just the truth.

    My main concern now is that Arsene will not invest substantially in January . Two reasons. First, Wenger is on a mission. Secondly, if he spends then will he have any money left for the close season’s, presumably, planned purchases. We are not Man City or, thank the gods for it, Chelsea.

  60. Frank, the same thing happens all over the UK & Europe… whether the team is winning or not…

  61. Frank,

    Supporters do need to get behind the team. I agree.

    The problem is that many of the vocal supporters have been priced out of going to the games.

    The fact that we did not recreated the North Bank and Clock End in the new stadium was a catastrophic error as now there is no atmosphere.

    Courting the corporates hasn’t helped either. Fans are also tired of spending so much money on tickets. It was more justifiable when we had a better team but the board takes advantage of the fact that we have a huge season ticket queue and have used this to drive up prices.

    The gap between club and supporters has never been greater so I can understand why people are unhappy.

    So what if I watch games at the pub? I don’t want to spend £60 to watch a match in silence with one or 2 friends when I can watch for less in a pub or free at a friend’s with a big group. The board is taking the piss asking us to pay for the most expensive seats in the world. Its not justifiable.

  62. I think it’s ridiculous to say that the players don’t care or can’t be bothered.

    Why don’t they care? Are they not sportsmen and therefore by nature intensely competitive? Is it not in their individual interest to give everything and win?

    I think it is borderline xenophobic to suggest that they don’t care because they are not English.

    Having said that, I do agree that some top quality English players would help in the eyes of some of our more base support and the media.

    I believe that shaky confidence is the whole problem. This does come from being young and not having won anything of note.

    Even before this crisis we were shaky. IMO opinion practically anytime we started a game firing on all cylinders, we would dominate and win or draw at the very worst.

    If we start poorly, with the quick passing not coming off, heads drop and we have real trouble getting into our stride. This is when disaster strikes.

    You know what though? We have been like this for years. Am I the only one who remembers intense frustration before the season of the invincibles and in most other seasons when we didn’t win the title? We often threw away games and leads despite having Vieira, Pires, Bergkamp, Henry et al at their prime.

    I believe that this mercurial nature is part and parcel of AW’s sides. It is disingenuous to beat these youngsters over the head with their predecessors, when they were also inconsistent (albeit less spectacularly so) until things really clicked (spectacularly so) and made them one of the finest teams world football has ever seen.

    I do think fine-tuning and confidence and above all; less bitching, less “I told you so” “Wenger has lost the plot” etc. can see this team achieve its potential.

    Sincerely, where will we be if we lose Wenger this season? If we don’t help the players step up their game, we might.

    Then how sweet will the” I told you so’s” taste?

  63. Just back from a week in LA and i wish i had stayed there.

    For me the situation is very black and white.

    Firstly, we have too many players that are simply not good enough to win the Prem.

    How many of our players would Man U, Chelsea or Liverpool want?

    Secondly, too many of our players clearly do not have the heart or desire, or care enough about our club.

    You can blame the fans all you like, and i for one would never boo at the stadium (not my own team anyway!), but you can understand certain sections getting upset when they can see the decline of our team happening in front of their eyes.

  64. IT is easy to captain a side that is winning.
    IT is easy to support a side that is winning.
    Whatever is happening at the moment, for me, always, ARSENAL. ARSENAL. ARSENAL!!!!!!!!!!

  65. “Gavin Hoyte is no better than his brother who we got rid of in the summer”

    18 year old making his enforced debut (4th or 5th choice RB) because of a highly unusual circumstance. Caught out for the 2nd goal but didn’t do too badly considering he was up against a team that actually has 2 high class wingers.

    It is comments like that make Frank, so right.

    The team needs support now like never before, in this era. Those that cannot give it are only helping to self fulfill their own (invalid by & large in my opinion) arguments.

    We have a lot of quality but that is not the only ingredient. You have to have faith, spirit & confidence.

    Are all the supporters helping with those latter aspects?

    When we eventually are successful will you, hand on heart, look back on this period & believe that you genuinely will deserve enjoying it?

    I wouldn’t want to play for a lot of these so called fans.

    YW
    Good piece. Disagree about AW talking about Gallas. There was no doubt a bust up between the 2 & they will need to talk again before AW can make any real commnts on the matter.

  66. Frank

    Such negativity, tsk, tsk.

    Despite feeling lower than the lowest thing in lowtown today, I have faith that there will be a full house on Tuesday and that we will be supportive of the team.

    YW

  67. Ah, Piers Morgan. I was hoping someone would address that querulous halfwit. He slates Wenger for being stubborn, but the man has cut a wretched little niche for himself by obstinately targeting the LCD – like a dirty little insect burrowing in a turd.

    What a c*ntsmith! He should really stick to what he knows: Editing a sh*t newspaper. Actually he didn’t do that very well either.

    Hang on, who gave him the time of day?

  68. keep telling ya, get Delap and Kev Davis. Theyll sort out song etc.

  69. Excellent Ian & so true.

    People have short memories & forget that the Paddys, TAs, DB10s were going to places like Bradford & losing.

    This bold experiment, forced out of necessity, should be allowed to run its course. This dip is an essential element, in a learning process. I feel May 2010 will be when we can really say it is working or not.

    I hope we haven’t driven AW & Cesc out before we get there.

  70. Hey guys – lighten up. It’s just a game of football. Don’t identify so much. Why should you feel ashamed? It’s not you out there!
    The bad days are just there to make the good days feel even better. Meantime, get on with life. If we don’t win anything this season, there’s always another season.
    It’s not like the Greenland Ice Cap has melted and the Emirates is under 30 metres of water.
    That’s next year LOL

  71. Frank… my prediction is for Arsenal to pull together and forget all the little mistakes we have been making and put a run of wins together.

    Good team dont turn bad over night people, i remember 6 months ago boasting to all my friends how we play the best football in the world. This really really poor run has not changed anything if we can get our act together. Think we are all forgetting how good are players were. I accept your as only as good as your last game, but i really do believe we can get over this and become a stronger group for it.

  72. Al

    Have a look around – the majority of the press (including the broadsheets) are now speculating on Wenger’s future.

    Piers Morgan is the Leader of their Gang…

    YW

  73. “I do think fine-tuning and confidence and above all; less bitching, less “I told you so” “Wenger has lost the plot” etc. can see this team achieve its potential.

    Sincerely, where will we be if we lose Wenger this season? If we don’t help the players step up their game, we might.

    Then how sweet will the” I told you so’s” taste?”

    Great points Ian.

    What upsets me is that some people seem happier when the team fail, just so they can be proven right. Their egos appear to be more important than the success of the team.

    It’s one thing to be critical and give your opinion of where you think the team is going wrong, but there needs to be some balance as well. These are the same players who have played and won some great games this season. To suggest that they are suddenly not good enough is very short-sighted indeed. Football is a lot about confidence and self-belief – this is where the supporters can really help the team.

    Above all I’m pleased to say that apart from the usual suspects, reading around the blogs there are also a number of fans who recognise that we need to come together and back the team at a difficult time. That gives me some hope that all is not lost.

  74. YW – easy answer is, Don’t read the press. Their job is write stuff that sells newspapers and gets them a pay check at the end of the month. 99% of it is pure reactive garbage.
    A bit like some of my posts actually. :-) )

  75. It isn’t negative, YW …whatever tsk, tsk means….we need to get supporters to really support the team…try to lend a hand there’s a good fellow.

  76. Flint

    The only time Wenger will go is if the supporters in the stadium turn against him. Much as the players might flick through the blogs from time to time, I believe it is the support that they get on the matchday that means more to them.

    As for Cesc – the captaincy would, I think, postpone his somewhat inevitable departure for maybe a couple of seasons. Inevitable? Because I think he has the desire to prove himself in his homeland before he retires and even winning the Premier and Champions Leagues would not quell that.

    YW

  77. And don’t forget what the press was saying two weeks ago after Man U and Wigan. That every manager in England envied Wenger’s squad. Now, suddenly, they’re a bunch of useless turds.
    Get some bloody perspective.

  78. Too true YW. Cesc will go, AW will go, they’ll all go and only Arsenal will go on.
    Oh, and Usmanov. ;-)

  79. This article is worth a read for an alternative perspective on Wenger’s actions

    http://www.arsenaladdict.com/home/2008/11/24/the-real-reason-arsene-wenger-dropped-gallas.html

  80. Yes and we need the supporters in the stadium to get behind the team….in other words everyone turns up and as many as possible sing or chant etc.

  81. …..and the fans of course. (Whoops – sorry Frank)

  82. To deliberately misquote Harold Wilson (who he?)
    “a week is a long time in football”.

    And when Shankly said football was more important than life or death, he was joking!

  83. Well I hope the fans will still be there, dkgooner…I hope so….

    Passenal..what a brilliant article…a billion thanks…

    Wan Arsene Wenger…theres only wan Arsene Wenger…Wan Arsene Weeennnggggeeerrr…theres only wan Arsene Weeennngggeeerrr

  84. “We do need reinforcement or things could get a lot worse. We need more MEN in the side. Remember the great sides of the past? Who were the kids in the first double winning side? Extravantly gifted individuals like Charlie and Eddie. The rest were tough and seasoned pros. Same in GG’s and Arsense’s earlier winners.”

    That takes the biscuit!!!

    Arsenal double winning side 1971

    Bob Wilson- Joined club 1963 regular from 1968
    Pat Rice- club junior 1971 1st season as regular
    Bob McNab- Joined club 1966 in his early 20s.
    Peter Storey- Junior got in the team c1965
    Frank Mclintock- Joined c1963 in his mid 20s
    Peter Simpson- Junior regular from 1966
    George Armstrong- Junior in team c1961
    George Graham- Joined 1966 in his mid 20s
    John Radford- Junior regular from c 1965
    Ray Kennedy- Junior 1971 1st full season
    Charlie George- Junior 1971 2nd regular season
    Jon Sammels- Junior regular c1964
    John Roberts- Joined c1971 from Northampton
    Sammy Nelson- Junior 2/3 games 1971
    Peter Marinello- Young big money signing, 1 or 2 games 1971 but never fulfilled his potential.

    Anyone else see the parallels?

    Those blokes went through a lot of tough times before their great achievement.

    Same can be said of GGs title winning teams.

  85. What a star, Flint…what a star.

    ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL

  86. Passenal,

    This season is in danger of implosion and yet little was done in the summer to plug some obvious gaps in the squad. Are we supposed to be happy about this?

    This team does have potential but does putting players in who are not ready for a title challenge do them more harm that good in the long-run? We will see.

    There is no question of not backing AW; his record is such that he deserves the chance to put things right at the very least but we need to see some action instead of the tired old excuses.

  87. Sorry forgot the great Eddie Kelly.

    Another junior making his way into the team at the time.

    QED??

  88. Wan Flint McCullough…theres only wan Flint McCullough……wan Flint Mcuuulllllloooouuuggghh….theres only wan Flint McCuuullllooouuuggghh…..

    well two actually…the others a cowboy….but….well the fact remains…from an Arsenal point of view theres only one.

  89. I don’t think that the fans were ever convinced by the positivity of 2 weeks ago, DK. The atmosphere was fantastic when we played ManU, but the fans were morose again when Villa showed up. It’s been like that since last April.

    Perhaps it’s the gloomy times. It costs a lot of money to go and see the Arsenal, and people are currently evaluating certain aspects of their lives in terms of value for money. For too many fans, going to watch Arsenal lose is like paying a lot of money to see a sh*t film. I think they need to be made aware that they CAN change the script.

    I’m just not sure if that’ll happen. Hence my silly comments about recruiting English players.

    All fans are aware of the problems. Some are willing to do their part to solve them, rather than complain and add exacerbate the crisis in confidence. I don’t know if they can make a difference right now, but there’s no harm in trying.

  90. WENGER IN DENIAL.

    The pathetic and predictable course of events have taken a turn for the worse. As the club hurtles towards its nadir, I was anxious to see what wenger had to say about our present predicament.

    And the answers provided by our manager post city has left me DEEPLY DISAPPOINTED.

    I have to say, the fans deserve some honesty from wenger now. His statements post city just reeked of ARROGANCE and total LACK OF HUMILITY.

    He is simply refusing acknowledge that mistakes have been made and that there are problems. Now, I am disappointed just as any other fan about our recent results but that CAN BE WORKED UPON.

    But first there has to be the acceptance that mistakes have been made, its nothing to be ashamed of. If that is done, we can all get behind arsene and get things done to set it right.

    The defeat is a side issue, it happens, its football, but denial of the existence of problems removes the scope of remedying it.

    I STILL BACK ARSENE, at this moment in time, but he needs to be more honest with us now. The situation can still be worked out.

    BUT IF, he continues to take this CONFRONTATIONAL STAND, then I am sorry to say, that it would be dangerous to the club as a whole and that it would be best for wenger and the club to part ways!

    Cheers all!!

  91. Oh shut up, AIC

  92. Frank,

    Why don’t you just f*** off.

    You are a sad, pathetic figure who brands anyone who disagrees with you as a traitor. You have no ability to make reasoned judgement but instead rely on blind optimism to mask some very large problems. If you were honest enough to admit the problems then maybe things would change.

    Typing ARSENAL numerous times does not change the fact that currently this is the worst Arsenal team under Wenger.

  93. If that is backing Arsene Wenger, NG…then lord help him when you turn against him…

  94. ….oh shut up, AIC

  95. Boys

    Play nicely ;-)

    YW

  96. People could see this coming but AW chose to do little about it and our season is in jeopardy.

    Lee Dixon revealed that Gallas was kept as captain due to a lack of alternatives. Well if the average age of the team is 20 how can you expect there to be alternatives.

    Once again on Saturday we were given the “immaturity” excuse by AW. Who’s fault is that? I don’t blame some of these players as they are just not ready. It could be that that there are too many inexperienced players in the team at once which causes an imbalance.

    I am hoping that Eddy and Tom make a difference but it is a lot to ask. I would give Ramsey and Vela more time also.

  97. Frank,

    You just don’t like the fact that sol, I and the other “traitors” were right in that we could see this happening in the summer.

  98. Naga,

    Well said. You have identified where most of the problems lie. I hope AWis not in denial privately as otherwise nothing will change.

  99. AIC

    Once again on Saturday we were given the “immaturity” excuse by AW…It could be that that there are too many inexperienced players in the team at once which causes an imbalance.

    I would give Ramsey and Vela more time

    Surely you are putting forward contradictory viewpoints in those two statements? If the team is inexperienced, Vela and Ramsey are not going to improve it from that point of view.

    YW

  100. Yogi,

    You don’t find me acting like the Thought Police on this blog and I only react if attacked from the likes of Frank.

    I prefer to debate issues rather that just chat incessent and irrelevant shite.

  101. There is too much emphasis on what Wenger is saying, almost every word he says is irritating to our fans. Yes we have problems with his favoritism, choice of players, and his adamant persistence. But This is his CHARACTER, it has always been. Just because the man is having his worst time since joining us, we are all picking on this, we have long admired him for this philosophy, but now that he has got some average players in starting-11 we are really agitated. This is emotional but also understandable. I hope older fans like Frank don’t pick on such reactions.

  102. I will be there tomorrow, i have a feeling this is going to spring board our season. I hope that Gallas is not playing tomorrow, I really dont think we need him. Our defensive record has hardly been impressive with him at the back and with the disruption he has caused off the pitch I dont want to see that Chavski player in our colours ever again. I want to see Fabregas come out as captain tomorrow, I want to see everyone behind the team more than ever and a great game of football. Bringing Gallas back in in any capacity will cause disruptions, he should be put on gardening leave and shipped back to France ASAP. I wouldnt even want him training with everyone else.
    I cant believe everyone has been slagging off individual players, they quiet clearly do have the talent and the ability to destroy any team however we lack team unity and we dont have a solid centre back partnership. Gallas goes, bring in someone to replace him and boost the defensive core of the team. Fabregas captain and our season will be back on track. We are seen as out of the titel race, there should be no pressure and that is when we can show our stuff in the league.

  103. Now, now girls.

    There is absolutely no question that everyone who reads this (very good) blog supports Wenger.

    I for one think he is the greatest manager we have ever had, and probably will have, and is a genius.

    But that doesnt mean we cant intelligently question some of his decisions.

    Can anyone hand on heart say that they dont think that the squad needed improving in the summer, preferably with some experienced players?

  104. Yogi,

    We have no other alternatives despite the “immaturity”. I highlighted this to show that AW can’t complain of immaturity as he assembled an “immature” team.

    There is little to chose from Ramsey or Denilson in terms of maturity, ditto Vela and Bendtner.

  105. AIC 12:22,

    I think you’re unfairly targeted by some on here, but that’s the ugliest comment you’ve ever left on this blog. Just to see where I’m coming from, have a look at Passenal and Flint’s comments from earlier.

    I usually ask myself, what’s the point of being ‘right’ if it’s not in my interests as an Arsenal fan? What do I have to gain from my worst fears being realized? Meanwhile adding to the general malaise around the club can only make things worse. Kind of like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    Anyhoo, that’s the way I see it.

  106. ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL….just being emotional, Rocky

    Wan Arsene Wenger…theres only wan Arsene Wenger…Wan Arsene Weeennnnggggeeeerrr…theres only wan Arsene Weeennnggggeeerrrr

  107. We should support this club but we also have the right to criticise. There are things we need to sort out and by highlighting weaknesses and strengths we can get better. However I feel many views lack enough real basis to be true or not true so if one person doesn’t agree they are not right or wrong.
    I think Gallas has a lot to offer still and hopefully he has learned from his mistakes as he is our best defender at reading the game and would be best if he someone that compliments him i.e. aggressive and tall. The best option for me would be Djourou as how much goals has Silvestre let in. I know it’s not all his fault but I have not been convinced yet by him.

  108. Sorry to unfairly target you, AIC

  109. …where are you going to, Big Al?

  110. Just like my views. But I like to analyse games and want to be a coach so getting things wrong is not really an option.

  111. Wembley, hopefully. Or how about Islington in May to see the open top bus!

  112. Big Al,

    I don’t get any pleasure out of it. I was trying to understand why Frank insists on rubbishing my posts and offered that as a reason.

    The reason I have gone on and on is that I feared for this season, I really did, but it seems that I was wrong. Things are even worse than I thought they would be. I take no pleasure in this at all, none whatsoever.

  113. Big Al,

    As for adding to the malaise, I just say things as I see them or how I feel. Its simple.

  114. I spoke with a spud fan, they are all happy that we want to push Wenger out, the one man who has carried us through a phase where it seemed only big money could buy success. People say Wenger doesn’t spend frugally. But it’s just Arsenal tradition. Honestly, it’s Dein who usually forces likes of PHW and the rest of the board to approve purchases. So thanks to Dein for Platt, and Bergkamp. But I honestly think there is no way PHW and the board would substitute this profit for 30m purchases, only a person like Dein could bring that through.

    It’s not just Wenger who is wanting this, it’s Arsenal as a club/company that has set out with this strategy to see profit. The best thing we could expect is to bring back Dein.

  115. I’m going there too….see you there then.

  116. AIC

    Surely you cannot judge the season until it is over? Things are indeed pretty grim at the moment but form is temporary…

    YW

  117. “There is absolutely no question that everyone who reads this (very good) blog supports Wenger”

    Some of you have a strange way of showing it.

    We have a huge base of talent at the club.

    The people, constantly slagging him & his players off, remind me of the record company (was it Decca, YW?) that turned down the Beatles.

    It is also like pouring young vintage wine down the drain because it does not taste so good, right now.

    The interest is in finding the maturity like 1971, 1989-91 & 2002-2004.

    No pain no gain.

  118. Let’s be honest AIC. We don’t come on here to “debate the issues”. We come on here to mouth off a bit. And slag off anyone who doen’t agree with us, in the case of you and Frank, like a couple of old queens you are. :-)
    Sometimes I agree with you, sometimes I don’t – but I think it’s pretty pointless “debating”, as you call it. With anyone, not just you.
    I say what I think and ignore most of the comebacks. Somedays I’m feeling pretty jovial, like today, and somedays I’m down in the dumps, like on Saturday around 18.00 CET, as the cat discovered. As YW also says in his opening comment, not a good time to post I’ve discovered – no perspective.
    Many of us have been supporting/following Arsenal a long term – in my case since 1969 when I first moved to London to become a hippie. We’ve seen the ups and downs and know it’s part of the deal. No point in whinging really, although it’s hard not to at times.
    We’ve still got more points than Tottenham.

  119. Yogi,

    I still have hope for the CL or FA Cup. I am not giving in here at all.

    The Prem has gone so we need to get 4th.

  120. dk,

    I like debating issues and sounding off as you say. Its not over for this season but changes must be made. Attitude being the biggest need.

  121. AIC,

    Fair enough.

    I think I’m just a wee nipper on here, so I’m not going to telly anyone what to write, but a bit of occasional levity wouldn’t go amiss.

    OK, I’m going to be unseen and not heard for a while!

  122. Big Al,

    Don’t go!

    We have enough people not posting at the moment without you adding to the list.

  123. Frank – I’m sure the real supporters will always be there. By supporter, I mean someone who pays money every week to go to the stadium – financial as well as vocal support. Not me because I decided when it went all-seater that the product was overpriced – for me that is. It’s all a matter of priorities I guess. I think now the cheapest season ticket is around £1,000 – so about £35 a game at best if you never miss one. That’s OTT in my opinion. So now I just call myself a fan or a follower.
    But after such a long time, it gets in your blood a bit and is almost impossible to get rid of.
    Keep shouting.

  124. Flint,

    It was indeed Decca although it is believed that in turning down the Beatles, they signed the Rolling Stones so a touch of swings and roundabouts I think.

    YW

  125. Now I have to get some work done.
    There are far too many typos in my posts as it is!!
    Post in haste, repent at leisure.

  126. AIC,

    No, just for today; it’s lunchtime! No self-indulgent swan songs from me.

  127. The DOWNFALL here, Yogi, is AW with his kink of Arsenal he has been building for the last four years. Isn’t it time AW come out as a proud man and appologize publicly to Arsenal fans that he has got it wrong, that he is going to fix it?
    Yogi, kid who you want to kid, the usual, Big Al, Frank…
    Gallas remains the only top CLASS defender we’ve got, you like it or not; and no matter who will be our new captain, we will lose more games as long as Denilson and Fabregas remain our major players in midfield, with that clown, Bentner in attack.

  128. Flint. Sorry to see you joining the knee jerk slaggers on this site.

    My point was that the ‘71 team had plenty of mature players that a few talented youngsters could develop alongside – and occasionally show off to great effect- like Charlie. That side had been strengthened in previous seasons and some players did not make it, youngsters and buys alike.

    The current side is not a safe place to grow up.

    I stick by that.

  129. lc

    >Gallas remains the only top CLASS defender we’ve got

    Is he? His form this season suggests otherwise and indeed, he is fortunate that when the mistakes were made, he was captain. For me, he has been no better than Toure.

    >Yogi, kid who you want to kid

    I think that the people here are of strong enough minds to decide their opinions for themselves rather than being suckered in by this charmless snake oil salesman.

    >AW with his kink of Arsenal

    Sometimes typo’s bring levity to a day

    YW

  130. Breaking news on Guardian:
    Cesc is new captain.
    Willie in squad to face Kiev.

  131. Good news.

  132. Agreed Brain – but not all will think so.
    Watch this space!

  133. “kink of” for kind of.
    Yogi,
    please, please!
    William Gallas has gone public with his criticism of team mates; and I have condamned it; but I don’t think our current downfall has anything to do with his out-spoken manner or performance.
    Denilson and Fabregas are not the type of midfield to protect our back four. That is one problem; the other is playing Bentner upfront most of the time while keeping Vela on the bunch.

  134. IC – don’t you mean “keeping Vela IN the bunch”?

  135. i’m looking forward to tmrw night i think we’ll win by 3 or 4… if not, sometimes you just gotta hit rock bottom before you make your back up again.
    sometimes there is no substitute for experience.
    We lost two experienced players in Hleb & Flamini & AW took a gamble replacing them with youth…
    We’ll see two experienced players come in January & we’ll be back on track.
    i personally think if we’d have kept hold of Hleb & Flamini we’d have won the league this year, but them’s the apples. The team will have learnt alot this past few weeks & that can only be a good thing.

  136. dkgooner,

    Mistake : AW is keeping Vela on the BENCH
    instead of starting games with him.
    Vela is far better player than Bentner. I see him as a natural replacement of Eduardo.

  137. lc, I think the main criticism of Gallas has centred around his ill considered public condemnation of his team mates. His performances on field have been hit and miss this season, like many of his team mates, so it’s hardly slagging him off to say so.

    I wish Cesc good luck in the role – he has wanted this for a long time and he is a player who rises to the big occasion. Let’s hope he has the full support of his team mates.

  138. GENTLEMEN AS FRANK will confirm I am now the revered Mr. elder statesman on this blog and ALEX although I am a traitor I did I think prove to Frank and others that I have supported and been involved personally with AFC for 60 years. WENGER HAS BEEN OUR BEST MANAGER IN THAT WHOLE PERIOD, BUT NOW HIS ECONOMICS DEGREE AND STUBBORNESS NEED TO BE CORRECTED. WE ARE NOT A POOR CLUB THERE IS NO FINANCIAL CRISIS BUT THERE WILL BE IF WE NOT IN THE ECL NEXT SEASON

  139. lc

    I don’t think Vela could play the lone striker role; he simply is not that kind of player. He might be a better option in a 442 but up front is what it is.

    Bendtner has done little in this role to suggest that he is ready for an extended run in the side but it is hard to judge how much of it is him and how much is down to poor play by the team in general.

    I do not disagree about Fabregas / Denilson as a pairing. I have long said that the Brazilian is too similar to Cesc. That said it is Denilson who has played well for the most part this season. If AW signs a midfielder this January, it will be he who makes way. After all, Wenger is not going to drop his captain, is he….?

    YW

  140. Ic – doh, silly me!

  141. Do they have bananas in Mexico?
    I thought bananas came from Costa Rica.

  142. Do you like my new monocle?

  143. See
    ————————————————>>>

  144. I agree with Ic, Passenal,

    Yogi WG has not been a top class defender this season, and Vela started in most of his games in Spain and should do so now with us

  145. so same squad as last year appart from Heleb and Flamini.

  146. Is Cesc really made a captain?
    Oh, I had my reservations about the notion of Cesc being captain, because it’d puttoo much pressure on Cesc’s shoulders.

    However,
    I have seen Cesc being a true leader after the manu home game last season. So if Cesc has no problem with that, I’m happy.

    Here’s to the bright new start for the season!!

    (Sh*t, Nasri’s injured!)

  147. Oh Verbal is back …..have you done some more research, Solgooner……you know who Verbal is surely?

  148. Solgunner – elder statesman you may be but revered? Hmmmmmm.
    By whom? :-)

  149. Tell Solgooner who Verbal is dkgooner…go on.

  150. Frank, some people just don’t get you, but you crack me up!

  151. Well helloo, Passenal….you know who Verbal is don’t you.. Don’t tell em….just between you and me…

    Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal….Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenaaaa all….Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal,….Arsenal….ARSENAL

  152. Must be you Frank – must be you.
    Verbal dia…. – just a mo – check the spelling.
    diarrhoea (Chambers English Dictionary)

  153. Consolsbob

    “Many Arsenal fans believed this squad was too young at the start of this campaign and that we would not win anything this season. That didn’t really bother me as I am an Arsenal fan and believe in the club and in Arsene. It’s a long road”

    That is something I entirely endorse.

    It feels strange to be accused of a “knee jerk” reaction when what I have bashed on & on about is the need for patience.

    The only recent purchase in the 70/71 Double side was John Roberts. He was an industrial CB, who played the 1st 12 or so games because “Super Stan” Simpson was injured. Peter Marinello had been at the club for 2 years but hardly played.

    Perhaps I should elaborate on the similarities.

    The point is that the MEN in the 1971 team finished low mid table the season before & were knocked out early in both cups (FA Cup by Blackpool 2-3, after being 2-0 up). They did however win the Fairs Cup, which still remains my fondest memory.

    Ray Kennedy (aka Bentner), for example, came in & was poor in a 0-3 home defeat against Chelsea. You would never imagine that he would score a crucial goal in winning the Fairs Cup & become a stalwart of the following season.

    What I am saying is that you have to allow the current boys to become the MEN that they will be, soon enough.

    Some wont make it but with AW in charge the balance will be right sooner or later.

    For those like AIC, who maybe have a point, there is often more going on than meets the eye & just possibly the players who might improve our team are a) hard to identify & b) even harder to obtain.

    As AW said AC Milan, a club that knows a thing or 2 about defenders, were looking for a CB & ended up with Swiss T. Could be significant perhaps in telling what the market is like.

  154. Yogi,
    The point I am trying to make about Gallas is that he cares a lof about Arsenal, and his reaction was just like the reaction of a frustrated Arsenal fan. Don’t forget, the French are usually out-spoken people.
    Gallas is a winner and these people hate losing. There are things he sees in the dressing room as well as on the training pitch; may be he had enough of them and he decided to take it publicly, allowing AW to do something about it.
    Also, I think he didn’t want the captaincy, because he could see that he had lost respect of some of the players. This could explain why he did this the same week his book came out, then playing tomorrow doesn’t frustrate him eiher.

    Vela can play on his own upfront because defenders will struggle with his pace and skill on the ball. He also can shoot from distance and link up play better than Bentner.

  155. Diaby and Nasri both injured.

    Does AW start Jack in a game, or is it too soon?

    Who else do we have who can play wide?

  156. dk

    Love your writings:

    “Post in haste, repent at leisure.”

    “I say what I think and ignore most of the comebacks.”

  157. No, dk…you are wrong…about Verbal anyway…the diarrhoea part….how kind of you.

  158. I hope the sagely types who knew the truth about what is wrong with Arsenal post less. They may have a point here and there, but it is becoming repetitive. When the chips are down, it is even more important to believe that tomorrow will be a better day and be positive. Our run of injuries and an unstable captain has done enough to make the last couple of weeks a terrible period. While I’m prepare for things to get worse (?) before they become better, I’m still hopeful that tomorrow will be the beginning of better days ahead.

  159. No, dk…you are wrong…about Verbal anyway…the diarrhoea part….how kind of you.

  160. @lc:

    “The point I am trying to make about Gallas is that he cares a lof about Arsenal”.

    Nope.
    If you read Gallas’ interview, he says “I have to win a trophy”. He cares about winning a trophy for himself, and Arsenal happens to be the team he’s currently playing at.

    I’m not trying to join the witchcraft against Gallas. However, when the likes of Darren “more expensive than TH14″Bent says that he and his teammates saw arsenal team arguing during the match and halftime, it is not easy to be open-minded towards Gallas.
    We are not the only club with team arguing and being divided by some kinds of faction; but Gallas has painted our beloved arsenal as one with rich kids running riot and constantly bickering even in the middle of the game regardless of the importance of game.

  161. Frank,

    Are you referring to the Usual Suspects by any chance? Titi once said that it was his favourite fil.

  162. http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/fabregas-named-as-new-arsenal-captain

  163. http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/fabregas-named-as-new-arsenal-captain

  164. ….at last….well done, AIC…Verbal Kint….Solgooner….Solgooner….Verbal Kint……Sol Kint….Verbalgooner……yeeeeeessssss….come on down Verbalgooner…I mean Sol Kint…I mean Solgooner

  165. TC – the interesting thing is that Bent claims he saw that at the time, but despite playing for our rivals, he was not the one to break it to the press – it took our captain to do so.

  166. ….and why do you think that is, AIC?

  167. Flint.

    Do you remember that i-2 that charlie played off a Newcastle player before volleying home? Not sure if it was 71 or 72.

    Not sure he meant it either but it was a brilliant moment in a much different world than today.

    Football was different certainly.

    Less fun than remembering Charlie is the point that I do beleive that this side has some likely star MEN of the future. From who will they learn?

  168. @Passenal:

    I know. And without Gallas’ verbal diarrhea, Bend wouldn’t have mentioned it, because he didn’t say a word about that since the game. I felt so hurt when one of the spuds came out and said this thing about my beloved arsenal.

  169. Frank – It’s true, our supporters don’t deserve this tough, never-say-die team straight out of the Arsenal mould. Their inconsistency is obvioulsy the fan’s fault.
    I think people should get over the media coverage. Arsène is one of the best managers in the business and Arsenal are a top European club. When the team is struggling there will undoubtebly be a media witch hunt. This is just the nature of game. Nothing to be get worried about.
    Although Arsène has made mistakes (making Gallas captain and his policy of allowing older, experienced players to leave) I still believe he will put the situtation right. We do have a talented squad but this means nothing if it is not accomapnied by a strong team spirit and a desire to fight and die for the team.
    Gallas may be a scapegoat but he is symptomtic of everthing that is wrong about this Arsenal team at the moment: fragile in confidence, arrogant, and refusing to take responsibility for its shortcomings.
    Let’s hope the team under Cesc, who has a much better idea of what Arsenal is about can remind the players and supporters what it means to play for Arsenal

  170. I cant read all the comments as they are just based on premature I “I told you so’s”! the fact is the season is just that a season not 1/3 of it.
    Who knows what will take place.

    I do not agree with this implosion, crisis cry, funny we are so bad but still 5th in the league, well within striking range.

    We believe its not the fans, the funny thing is I have read comments from other teams that said that Arsenal supporters were crap and that they wish they had a team that played like ours. Reading those, one would suggest that it is not all about Arsenal not playing well at present but the culture if the spoilt brat fans.

    AIC, I think we have to stop talking about Highbury, North Bank and all that. How do we expect the team to adjust so easily to negativity when we cant adjust to the new stadium? Hypocrisy. It was just a stadium, if the teams were crap we would not care about that – Its about the Team.

    The fact is fans are important, they are the reason for teams having a better record at home, SUPPORT THE TEAM and stop the everlasting crying and complaining!

    One more time, no one can tell how much what was going on behind closed doors. Lets get the team healthy and judge!

    I know they are great and trust I will be proved right!

    Happy that Cesc has been named captian!

    God Bless!!

  171. “One more time, no one can tell how much what was going on behind closed doors affected the team”

  172. Too well, Consolsbob.

    It was late in the Double season & an absolutely critical goal.

    If you remember Charlie had a real stinker that day & the game was heading for 0-0. If it had been up to me he would have been subbed well before he came up with that, proving how little we fans really know.

    Pat Rice, Steve Bould, Kolo, Sagna, Rosicky, Eduardo & even Gallas but most of all from their own mistakes.

    Different time, much more of a spotlight to grow up in but the principal is the same.

  173. CESC to lead us to glory..!!!!!!!!!!!

    Made my day so much better reading that, thanks Le Boss for making the call. Really believe Cesc will lift every1 at the club, he has been our engine for the last 3-4 yrs and wasnt performing. This will give him extra incentive to play and make the team play football again.

  174. CESC to lead us to glory..!!!!!!!!!!!

  175. I love Arsene Wenger for his vision but it’s time for him to leave the Premier League because if he continues to be stubborn and not bring in big name talent he will never be able to compete with the likes of Chelsea, United, Liverpool, and the other soon to be big spending clubs. If they’re not careful they won’t even make it into the top four this season.

  176. English Premiership Football

    Ur a complete knob… u got a real name

  177. oh dear oh dear oh dear

  178. Oh please – EPF! how rediculous is that.

    Ask the managers of those team how they feel about Wenger.

    “UNBLIEVABLE!”

  179. How many of our first time players wud fit into top 3…

    manutd wont mind having cesc…and sagna..

    liverpool wont mind fully fit rosicky and nasri….

    chelsea..maybe sagna

    no one wants gallas..for sure

  180. The funny thing is that some people are claiming Wenger has lost it and should go, yet he is so crap the first team his name is linked with is Real Madrid!

  181. I guess none of them would want Clichy, RVP, Nasri either adc!

    Just crazy comments, no disrespect but before submitting the comment, please review it.

    Frank – can I get a cheer?

  182. and other way round…

    we dont need any forwards..rvp ade backed up by eduardo vela theo…too much talent there..may be excessive..

    wingers we wud love from manutd..

    1 midfielder from chelsea..or even owen or mascheranos…

    central defenders from anyone…absolutely any top 3 or even lesser…

  183. adc, that’s a little harsh. I think Gallas would still get picked up by a team in France or Italy if he was available. Maybe the pressure of the captaincy prevented him playing at his best and he could get a new lease of life? At the very least he could do a Flamini and play himself into a good deal elsewhere if his number is up at Arsenal. It wouldn’t do us any harm to have an experienced and fully motivated centre-back for however long he remains an Arsenal player!

  184. Has anybody read Clichy’s comments reagarding Cesc and even Gallas?

    And someone, I think it was NYmarcus – said the young players were arrogant. These yongsters are pure class!

  185. Paul N

    i never mentioned clichy…

    well rvp i wouldnt discount at all buddy he just score brace for netherland…and i wont just be pessimistic about him or most of our guys cause we r having bad games..

    nasri…well show me any liverpool winger who is better than nasri..and has won 3 points against manutd…

    pls dont paint everyone as losers..we are 5th on table not 20th for god sake

  186. I rate RVP, but would you really not swap him for any of Drogba, Rooney or Torres?

  187. Nostalgia, eh?

    Four memories of that season.

    Southampton keeper having a blinder on a frozen Boxing Day to earn a 0-0. (altho John had a perfectly good goal disallowed) Better were the bottles of spirits passed around on the terraces which were only partially closed due to ice. Great Christmas.

    62000 crammed in against Chelsea. Couldn’t stand up straight for a week after. Thumped them.

    George Graham thumping in a header from the edge of the 18yard box – against Liverpool I think.

    Radford turning Tommy Smith on the half way line at Anfield and then rouding the keeper to score. Great player, John.

    Musn’t forget lost 5-0 at Stoke and didn’t the spuds hold us at home that year too?

  188. passanel..

    u r right he shoudl fit into someitalian and spanish top sides..but top 3 in epl all have better defenders than him..

    my problem with gallas is not that he is not good enough…he just hasnt performed for us..i was very happy when he joined us..but in retrospection v shud have taken cash..

  189. on wenger…

    i guarantee u guys…no body in this world has it to keep arsenal in top 4 with that limited budget as we have…

    in that sense his acheievemtns surpasses than for even fergusson..

    rated managers like ramos and hughes..fail to make it to top 4 with all the money they have..

    arsene is lifeline of afc…

  190. “pls dont paint everyone as losers..we are 5th on table not 20th for god sake”

    was that directed to me adc?

    Hope not I was agreeing with your statements and just adding a few more names, that could more than play for Chelsea and Man U!

    I agree with you all the way.

    Matt, yep! I see no better player than RVP when on form. Please dont mention rooney with RVP either – no comparison. Plus RVP is tied with Torres in scoring and above Rooney and Drogba. So is Ade and even Nasri if you want to go a little deeper.

  191. Although Torres has missed a large chunk of the season through injury….. :-)

    Anyway, i respect your opinion Paul, but i would take Rooney over RVP personally.

    On a seperate note – Young Guns are reporting that Merida may start tomorrow… what do you guys think?

  192. Thank the gods that our peers(that is the so called other top 3 stuttered.. pity none of them lost).
    This gives us a little breathing space… now the TEAM needs to fix up and the fans need to give encouragment. We are going through a rocky patch which we will soon emerge from… Dynamo and Chelski be warned….. we will take our frustrations out on you. PS. Dennilson is playing no better or worse than Fab so drop that crap now.

  193. Has Rooney been injured also? That would add to your arguement.

    RVP has been injured also, true?

  194. The Troof,

    One of our peers has gained this weekend..even after drawing..aston villa..

    i dont think they keep that position we shud play next season in CL…

    on chelsea..we cud just beat them against all odds..just like we did against manutd…but i wouldnt be too positive though..cause i fancy them to win it this year…

    matt

    dont fancy merida starting..in cc yes..not in cl…he wasnt even one of our best performing players in cc..there were few ahead of him

  195. I agree ADC, just commenting on what is being reported on Young Guns, which in all fairness is pretty good.

    Paul, RVP also missed 3 games from being petulant, not injured. ;-)

  196. matt

    i love our fwd line trust me..u cud argue rvp vs rooney…but we have few up there who r better than almost all..yes even better than heavily bought..manutd and chelsea

    i wish we cud have fully fit..rvp and eduardo…lets not forget eduardo..the guy has so awesome finishing…poor fellow got injured when he was finding his feet..yet in first 6 months he had good no of goals against his name…

    not to forget vela and theo..not bad back up…

    fwds trust me no problem for coming few seasons..ther r all young too

  197. Frank,

    Its a great film. Are you asking me why Titi said it was his favourite film as I don’t know.

  198. So Cesc is Captain of he next match…
    I actually prefer Mad, Bad (rough everyone up) Gallas. Instead of nice talking softley spoken (wouldn’t step on an ant) Cesc.

  199. RVP 11 games – 5 goals 3 assists

    Torres 9 games – 5 goals 1 assists

    Rooney 12 games – 3 goals 5 assists

    Ade 12 games – 5 goals 3 assists

    Say what you will but here is the facts of the season at present.

  200. adc,

    I agree, our forward line is not really a problem area.

    It will be nice to have Eddy back for sure

  201. ffs…some of you do not rate our players at all do you? Do you really expect to be taken seriously when you come out with this drivel…..I have not so much absolute f***ing rubbish for a while as I have some of the posts today….

    Now down to serious business…..AIC…I will spell it out for you shall I……..

    Verbal Kint…does not exist….nor does Keyser Sosa…it was all made up by ‘Verbal Kint’ from information on the noticeboard in the detectives office….who is who? ..who knows?….

    Now …why Solgooner….well, Solgooner is not his real name…..nor is he a ‘veteran’ gooner…..certainly not in his seventies anyway…..he was certainly not in London during the war……if you don’t believe me then read the text…not just the bits that you want to read….all of it…there are a million clues in there including the timing between responses…..I don’t know exactly who he is but I could take a guess at his age from his language…and some of his proclivities e.g. hip hop….he has made a valiant effort to create a persona….but it is very superficial….good fun though…I enjoyed it…..still knows f*** all about football mind you.

    …and for Paul N

    Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal…..Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenaaa all….Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal….Arsenal….ARSENAL

  202. Cesc is captain for good according to skysports. This is great news, we now have a player with one of the best footballing in the world brains in charge. Come on you gunners, lets get behind are team and show them the support they deserve

  203. last comment should read ‘a player with one of the best footballing brains in the world in charge’!!

  204. YES YES and YES

    I thought it’s a little bit early for Captain Fab, but it was distend to number 4 :)

    New page, new Captain….hopefully Gallas can concentrate on his only job…defending (Just in case he doesn’t know)

    As Frank always say:

    Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal…..Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenaaa all….Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal….Arsenal….ARSENAL

  205. Cesc is Captain according to Arsenal.com too!

  206. Frank,

    I rate some, i rate some not so highly.

    That also applies to players of other teams, in fact, i have an opinion on every player i ever watch.

    It’s called having a mind of your own.

    If i choose to come and chat about it with others, then i will, and some of the time people agree with me, and me them.

  207. Oh, by the way….

    I rate our new captain very highly indeed. (in case you were interested). :-)

  208. Matt,

    I guess stats dont mean that much to you as far as players (strikers mainly) are concerned, would that be right?

    If so, what do you use to judge a player?
    I’m not trying to be a jerk, would love to read your answer.

  209. Frank,

    Ok. I don’t really care though.

    Its true that people here do not rate some of the players, so what?

    Many of them have achieved next to nothing in the game despite their talent. Maybe if they were not given huge contracts and a huge billing before they have done anything would make them less arrogant and more willing to fight.

  210. I just watched Clichy’s interview on Arsenal.com because I wanted to see the body language. He seems genuinely pleased that Cesc is the new captain. I was also impressed at the way he made sure to let the fans know that the players are behind William, just in case he faces any backlash tomorrow. That’s very mature from one of our other leaders in the squad.

  211. “Many of them have achieved next to nothing in the game despite their talent. Maybe if they were not given huge contracts and a huge billing before they have done anything would make them less arrogant and more willing to fight.”

    You know this for a fact do you AIC?

  212. AIC,

    Isnt players getting paid large sums of money a football thing now? or is it only Arsenal that does that?

    arrogant – making claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights; overbearingly assuming; insolently proud:

    How are they arrogant? what is the proof of that.
    These are some of the most humble lads I have seen. show me th light please.

  213. I dont think you are a jerk Paul.. ;-)

    Stats are obviously important, especially with strikers as they are ultimately judged on goals.

    To be honest, my opinions on players are exactly that, my opinion.

    What i look for in a player is how effective they are in the position they play, how they fit in to and complement the team, and what they bring to the team in attitude, drive and commitment.

    Players do not have to be overly skilful to be ‘great’ in my humble opinion.

    A great example would be Paul Scholes – i thought (think) the guy is world class – not only as a player but as a team man. (his tackling could do with a bit of improvement, mind).

  214. Matt,

    I agree with you. However, with some people on this blog you are not allowed to have your own opinion.

    If you say anything that is considered “negative” then you are a traitor who should f*** off and support Chelsea.

    If you are proved right you are said to be enjoying Arsenal’s demise. If you do not rate the players then you are a traitor.

    Its bollox and for what its worth I agree that a number of players are not good enough yet or not ready to mount a challenge. It does not mean they are rubbish but too raw.

    Having said that the senior players have also played badly – Cesc, Ade, RvP patchy, Clichy Sagna not at last seasons’s levels, Almunia still rooted to his line.

  215. Anyway, off to the gym Gents.

    Feel free to ridicule my comments while i am away. ;-)

  216. Passenal,

    No I don’t know that which is why I said maybe.

    Many haven’t achieved much though. Not to say they won’t in the future.

  217. AIC,

    Your a person who I think is cool but could you stop beating up the team unjustly. How the team has been playing is clearly open to be criticized but you are attacking them as a person and of things you cannot prove. I dont think that right, do you?

  218. Paul N,

    Arrogance in that they seem to think that just turning up and putting in half-hearted performances will do at the top level.

    Its the impression that they have left on me this season. I may be wrong but that is how it looks. Other players have also questioned the attitude – Clichy, Gallas.

  219. Paul,

    Ok, I’ll stop beating them up.

    The alternative is that they are simply unable to deal with the huge pressure they have been put under, perhaps prematurely.

    Maybe its not arrogance or laziness but fear and a lack of knowledge of what to do.

    As for arrogance I think Ade is the worst culprit and he is a senior player. The attititude is wrong though whatever the cause.

  220. Our players are not getting paid large sums, maybe large sum in comparison to the sums you and I make. I think you are mistaking us for Chel$ki and Man U….Mr. Arsenal fan.

    If our players wanted arrogance, they would’ve gone to Chelski and Man Ure and made $130K/Week warming a bench.

  221. Well Gallas has been the most arrogant of all, you think. Who is he to talk?

    Its more immaturity in my eyes, and lack of good leadership. Arrogance is very strong word as if they are Gods gift to football and have a God given right to win – I dont see that with this team.

    Yes they should and need to play harder and dont think that just because they play pretty football they will automatically win. I agree with you on that!

  222. It doesn’t matter whether you care or not, AIC…you provided the required response…and for that I thank you.

  223. Does anyone really believe that on Saturday the Arsenal players thought they just had to turn up to win?

  224. No!

  225. At least not me. There is more to this situation than meets the eye.

  226. I don’t see the Arsenal team as a whole as arrogant. I deny that Wenger is arrogant. There is a big difference between amour propre and arrogance. Wenger is the best manager in the world, so he is right to put his judgement above that of bloggers and journalists. I think Wenger discourages arrogance from his players. He often talks about the importance of humility. As for Adebayor: he’s not the most modest player in the team, but perhaps he is rather flamboyant than arrogant.

  227. FRANK WILL YOU BET ME A THOUSAND POUNDS THAT I CAN PROVE WHO I SAY I AM LET YOGI HOLD THE MONEY I WILL GIVE YOGI PROOF NOW OR YOUR FATHER IF U GIVE ME HIS NUMBER

    YOGI IS THERE ANY WAY TO CONTACT YOU PRIVATLEY

  228. I agree Poliziano.

  229. Before you prove anything, would you please lower your case as gesture of goodwill to your fellow Gooners?

  230. It was because I was pissed off I have now sent a mail to Yogi proving everything I said sorry that you are such a know all Frank

  231. Frank you were so polite yesterday so I scanned some of my old photos to send to you I now realise you are a mickey taker too bad

  232. Thanks for the lower case Sol.

  233. G4E I am sorry but now Yogi has all the proof and I hope he can now confirm I am telling the truth

  234. The truth about what? Sorry, I’m not following….I guess I have to read all the posts but I’m at work so it’s not easy :)

  235. I was just hav¡ng memories of 60 plus years as an AFC supporter and Frank asked lots of questions which I answered thinking he was genuine about those days and people I knew

  236. I haven’t read all the comments, but:

    1) I’m glad about Cesc. I certainly like him more as a captain than Gallas. I prefered Kolo for the captain role last year, but now that his performance hasn’t been that great and Cesc has more experience, I think the coice is right.

    2) “Crisis” is a word used too easily in football. Being one point off the champions league zone in the prem. and still doing well in the other cups is not a crisis. And the club is in great shape. So, if you see the bigger picture, we’re allright. My biggest problem is with some people’s attitude and short-sightness.

  237. Wow our very own football blogging mystery! Frank is a Colombo / Cracker-like super-sleuth on the trail of Solgooner (either a defeatist, senile, sun-baked Marbella “sort” or a defeatist “I want it all, now” teenager, prone to wind-ups and flights of fancy – this is REALLY EXCITING!

    Frank, I fear you are going to have to breakdown your case a little more for us, certainly for me. I do want to believe you though.

    Solgooner, I was impressed by your VERY LONG reminiscences, why is it only Yogi who gets to see the evidence?

    How do we know that Yogi is not in on this with you?

    Maybe you ARE YOGI!!!!

  238. Ian you are funny .. Frank is not a super sleuth hes an egotistic idiot.

    If Yogi can just confirm getting my mail and checking the facts I will be happy to continue being senile and sun baked in Marbella.

  239. Ian I was so verbal because Frank kept asking questions and I was stupid enough to answer them

  240. Consolsbob

    Were the touchlines marked in blue for that game against the Saints? I didn’t remember the disallowed goal but now you mention it wasn’t someone other than the scorer supposed to be offside?

    We beat the Spuds 2-0 at home that season but lost 0-2 away to Liverpool, so I think Raddy’s goal at Anfield was a couple of seasons later.

    The 0-5 at Stoke was about the only time I left a game early. Charlie George was sitting a few rows behind us with his leg in plaster.

    Losing to Huddersfield by a dodgy penalty. The terraces there were made out of old railway sleepers.

    Going weak at the knees when Snout took that penalty at Hillsborough. The way it went in, his must have been shaking too.

    The GG header I remember best from that season was the SF replay at Villa Park – broke the net.

    He scored one of his specials against Liverpool, but I have a feeling it was a quick pass & move with a stinging volley at the end of it.

    I’ll have to find the old video now, happy memories eh !!

    Sorry to be an old bore people.

  241. Sol, if you are 60, 70, or 80 that has nothing to do with your posts or the way you support the club.

    If anything you’re more experienced with long long periods with no trophies, more than us who are new to this drought.

    I don’t claim to be 80, but just reading my club’s history tells me that even with the current problems and no trophies, we still have a great manager and a great squad and we can do it against all odds, and against all the cynics.

    Cheers Sol…..

  242. Alright, I meant.

  243. Thats what I said having been friends with two AFC managers who won next to nothing and Wenger is the best but too dictatorial

  244. This is so funny, Frank and Mr Sol were getting along great and now look.

    Frank, I would also like to know why you doubt Mr. Sol is being genuine?

    Quite, entertaining!

    but Mr. Sol I still prefer this more objective side of you, please dont backslide because of this. Ha Ha!!

    Be Blessed!!

  245. I am not 80 im in my late seventies but businesswise I could outsmart Frank giving him a head start

  246. Paul N you were nice yesterday and I just t want Yogi to confirm and make Frank eat his words

  247. YOGI ARE YOU GOING TO COME TO THE RESCUE SO WE CAN DISCUSS SERIOUS THINGS like Gallas facial, gestures

  248. I dont think Wenger is dictatorial or he would have kicked Gallas’ backside out a long time ago with all the comments he has made.

    I think that the Arsenal Board trust his judgment as he is tried and proven so it makes him seem that way. What can you say, he is not above reproach but has done one hell of a job with less means than many clubs.

    He is just the best manager, hands down!

  249. I am dieng to find out Solgooners identity!! And only Yogi can solve this mystery. Don’t make us wait Yogi!!!

    Frank you’re such an *****. You and Solgooner were getting along so well yesterday, and now you’ve ruined it. You should be ashamed of yourself. Dissing your new best friend like that. So what if he’s not 70 years old, whatever he told you was to get closer to you. And you accuse him of lies.

    The curiosity is killing me. Who is right? Solgooner or Frank?

    Voting begins now.

  250. Solgooner,truly I did enjoy the glimpses you provided into the past, both yours and Arsenal’s.

    I do love a good whodunnit though, and I love the thought of you being unmasked by Frank as a precocious tween – and so should you!

  251. I agree but the board who have seen a 300k investment grow to multi millions are too blame, there have been some great players available and e are not impoverished

  252. If he does that he should be running Interpol

  253. I am going out to buy a Zorro mask

  254. YOGI WHY ARE YOU SILENT I TOLD YOU MORE THAN ENOUGH

  255. I’m looking forward to that Mr. Sol,

    I just hope we will all have access to this proof.
    I love it.

    I have been an Arsenal supporter since the seventies (late) and then I came to America in 82 and lost touch until the late 90’s! Can you believe that.

    Quite sad, but the last real memory I have of Arsenal before I left England was that sickening loss to West Ham in the FA Cup (when it meant much more). So you see this trip down memory lane for you is quite exciting for me.

  256. But Sol, you do not know Arsene Wenger, so how can you say, with any conviction, he is dictatorial?

    Is it necessarily a bad thing anyway?

    Perhaps George & Billy were not as clear, in their objectives, & that is why they failed.

    Billy Wright & Terry Neill both brought through youngsters that later did brilliantly for their successors.

    Arsene will be different in that he will bring them to fruition too.

  257. ATEEB I wish I was 70 0r even better 17

  258. FLINT I feel when one man has all the power its too much when DD was there he was a counterbalance.

    Those were different days and Billy was a modest guy who never had ego like some of our players today.

  259. Paul when I lived in the USA and Bahamas satellite was going strong we had all the games with those illegal scrambler boxes

  260. I agree with you Mr. Sol, but if tehe boards trusts him what can you so about that and as I said he can be trusted – he has delivered the goods numerous times. because we have a little dip that is no reason to start doubting him.

    Really we dont know what goes on behind closed doors but infront of them we have seen some amazing stuff.

    I just dont see what there is to complain about really. Patience is needed at this time, I think!

  261. PAUL except I still believe the Dynamo game I saw was at Highbury and obviously IM wrong

  262. WHy are Frank and Yogi so quiet

  263. Sorry Sol, my family was a bit broke for a time and really I just didnt know where to watch the matches in Brooklyn NY. I moved to Florida and that is when I started to get back into it. I guess I was just young and Ignorant.

  264. I’m really loving this suspense! I’m sure Yogi is lapping this up too.

    Reputations are at the mercy of a nod or a wink from Yogi – such power!

  265. I think Yogi works for a living? Has a family and stuff?

  266. The mystery deepens.

    What is an *****, Ateeb?

    If you are not serious Frank, you are being more than a bit unkind.

    Perhaps you have tawtss (Turkish arse whistle truth suspicion syndrome), that is very common when the whistle has been previously used by a Turkish detective, in the wrong orifice.

  267. Paul where did u live in Florida

  268. FLINT this is helping us forget Saturday

  269. Sherlock Frank is lost in Baker Street. I hope the tawtss go up the wrong orifice again

  270. I Lived in Miami Mr. Sol!

  271. Hmm….Solgooner what did you do with Frank and Yogi??

    I think Frank was onto something. Maybe he was close to revealing Solgooners true identity. And now he’s mysteriously dissapeared. And so has the man who supposedy holds the truth in his mail. Something doesn’t feel right. I smell bloood.

    FRANK!!!!

  272. So did I the Blue Diamond on Collins avenue next door the Eden Roc

  273. Paul you shouldn’t have told Solgooner that. Be safe my friend.

  274. Ateeb Frank is just too underwhelming for me.

    I must say Yogi has not replied to my mail

  275. HAHAHAHAH@
    “So did I the Blue Diamond on Collins avenue next door the Eden Roc”

    Paul watch out now. People dissapear when they talk to SOlgooner about places he’s/they’ve lived.

  276. Ateeb is blood red or blue

  277. ATEEB can you give me your full address and zip code

  278. Haha good one Ateeb!!!

    The funny thing is , and I’m serious, I always pictured Solgooner as a brit “on the run” in sunny spain. With all the dolly birds and swimming pools.

    Seems like he is living the life, but he’s actually kosher…or is he? Dun da dun DAAAA!

  279. “when DD was there he was a counterbalance”

    Again that is an assumption not a fact.

    There have been may Saturdays to forget, in our time, Sol!!

    Highbury was bombed during the war & was not used until the 1946/47 season.

    It was very different in those days. The players were only marginally better off financially than those who watched them.

    That did not mean there were no egos about. Johnny Haynes was known as “big head”.

  280. Screwin’ shiksas on the Costa del Sol.

  281. I lived more north Frank – like Carol City. Do you know that section of town?

  282. I just looked at that place – Mr. Sol you are a rich man?

  283. At Sollys deli in Puerto Banus. But Im not on the run I come to the Emirates a few tiimes juut for the pleasure of being ripped off 150 pounds for a good seat

  284. Paul I was once

  285. You’re not going to ask him for money, are you Paul?

  286. Paul it wasnt great during Hurricane Wilma and Katrina

  287. Flint the levity is coming back here, even though Yogiis hiding

  288. Flint, I’m quite contented with my few hundred dollars a week.

    Take a look at where Mr. Sol said he lived – its quite an amazing place and its on South Beach so that should speak for itself.

    http://www.rcrsmiamibeach.com/MIAMI-BEACH-Condos/Blue-Diamond.htm

  289. I here you Mr. Sol, I was still in Florida for those. Wilma especially handled South Florida quite bad!

    I moved to Houston and low and behold their Bro Ike came to visit!

  290. yep i was on the 45th floor and it was scarier than the blitz in london in the forties I was stupid enough not to evacuate

  291. Hahaha……the conversations I’ve seen in the last two days have been really ‘out of place’.

    Who are you solgooner? Tell us, tell us now. Can you please ask Frank where he put the whistles. I can’t find them anywhere in the stall. Did you steal them too?

  292. Ateeb I was in Transylvania yesterday and didnt touch the whisles

  293. Ateb until you give me your full address I cant tell you anything I have taken the Hypocrites oath

  294. Sorry to change from the usual suspects, no, sorry subjects…but…back to the team.

    Maybe I should say someone who used to be in the team. Does anyone find young Anelka’s recent comments interesting?

    I’m thinking of the people who regularly go on AFC fan/blog sites and call our players s****.

    Oh yes, I think we can safely assume they read them; so I’d just like to say thanks a lot to you guys for playing your part in so effectively undermining the team.
    VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT

  295. Yep, Mr. Sol its a good idea to leave when you are that close to the beach.

    How long has it been since you left and went back home?

  296. 2005 I came back to Spain

  297. sol,

    Don’t waste your time with Frank. He is certainly the most arrogant and least relevant poster here.

    Accusing you of lying just sums him up.

  298. Sore Finger,

    What were Anelka’s comments?

  299. I have just watched the City game in full.
    The officiatling is scandalous. The number of fouls and body checks that the ref allowed to pass un punished shocked me.
    I feel for the boys that played, they tried to get on with it.

  300. Ice Cream,

    I’m not sure how you think you come across, but I can imagine it is inaccurate.

  301. Sore Finger,

    I reckon that if Anelka was really so ready to leave over that little slight then I’m sure he’d have found another excuse to screw us over further down the line.

    Bizarre few days on here! Entertaining though.

  302. Ian,

    Please enlighten me.

  303. Yep that’s right. I hate commas.

  304. Big Al – it’s probably some Arsenal club astrological alignment. The club and its supporters have all “lost it” a bit.

    It’s been great though, a change from the incessant bile that I had expected following the last 2 games.

  305. Is there any point?

  306. I would like to hear your opinion.

  307. Ian,

    From an Astrology blog entry today:

    “It’s easy to become fearful, go into survival mode, and think you’re alone with an uncertain future. But there’s the other path of thinking collectively, and building networks that will get everyone through the hard times. It’s an old-fashioned idea that’s quickly turning into the next big thing.”

    Apparently it’s these ‘Uranian’ times we’re living in.

  308. re-Anelka.

    He said that after having scored 12 (I think) and 22 goals in his first two seasons he felt slighted that fans in a poll felt he was not the man to replace Ian Wright.

    OK take anything he says with a pinch of salt; but I actually think this cynical young man understands how fickle our support really is.

    Incidentally, does anyone who posts or reads this site belong to Red Action? I’d love to see some debate about this lot.

  309. These networks seem to extend into the underworld, but what the hey!

  310. I,ve said it and been attacked but will continue to say it and be damned. Unless and until Arsene Wenger stop making Arsenal a foreign team on English soil, there will be no silverware for us.

    He should bring in some English players into the team. Upson has proved to be a better CB; a player Arsene let go and recruited a waste in the name of Senderos.

  311. It’s nothing that hasn’t been said dozens of times.

    IMO you are overwhelmingly negative, you glaze over or ignore the good things and harp on about the bad.

    You are extremely over-bearing with your posts and intolerant also.

    You seem to enjoy going on and on about what Wenger should have done, even a stopped clock is right every now and then.

    Many of the things you despise in Frank are equally true of you, except humour seems a stranger to you.

    Apart from that you are perfect.

  312. Sore Finger – it always concerns me when some so called fans seemingly go out of their way to undermine the players’ confidence. I also remember Ade before last season saying something similar how the fans had not even considered him as a potential goal scorer after TH left, even putting midfield players ahead of him in a poll. So they do know what is said, which is why unhelpful nicknames are not funny in the least. Maybe if some love and respect was shown to certain players they would still be with us.

  313. **God save the Queen of England**

  314. Oh surprise, surprise here comes Howard singing the same old song. If you can only support a team with English players in it – there is always the national team. That’s the only time where passports should count.

  315. Howard,

    You are damned, if you believe that tripe.

  316. This cliffhanging is all a bit much. When can we expect all to be revealed in our whodunnit?

  317. The Bleak Midwinter.

    In the bleak midwinter, Gallas did make moan
    Arse stood hard as Iron, the red card was shown
    Points had fallen, points on points, points oh no
    In the bleak midwinter, no so long ago

    Arsene, heaven cannot hold him, nor earth sustain;
    blues and reds shall flee away when he comes to reign;
    In the bleak midwinter, the Emirates sufficed
    The many injured players sliced and diced.

    Fabregas and VP will be gathered there,
    Hopefullness and willpower throng the air
    The press a crumpled paper in the bin
    The end of gooner despair.

    What can I give them, poor as I am ?
    If I were a fan, I would bring a cheer;
    If I were a wise man, I would do my part;
    Yet what I can I give them; give my heart.

  318. Actually, in my 10:16 post I (clumsily) toyed with the idea of hiring English players. It’s my Realpolitik for patching up the rift between players and fans. Like it or not, the British lads do seem to get almost unequivocal support. However, guys like Eboue and Denilson are derided when they produce the same level of performance.

    At the same time, Cesc’s promotion to captain may helped that problem.

  319. Muppet,

    Chapeau!

  320. Big Al, that’s kind of sad if you’re suggesting that Nationality alone makes that much difference. I know Theo gets a relatively easy ride, because people are desperate to see an Englishman do well at Arsenal. But some of the most loved players in recent Arsenal history have not been English.

  321. Also, the fans will not love the English players if they cant ptoduce.

    Say what we want but there is no big Club in England that is predominantly English. Why people hang onto that rubbish is beyond me. Its a complete farce.

  322. We’re holding a bunch of crap foreign players who can’t get play in any of the top 4.

    English players with no quality? Yet Villa, Stoke, Hull, Fulham and City are all beating our so called quality foreign players.

  323. So howard which english players would you like to see in an arsenal shirt? Who would you want Wenger to buy in january?

  324. @ Passenal and Paul N,

    It shouldn’t, but I have a feeling that it does count among certain fans. I’d even suggest that players like Dennis, Bobby and Henry were well-loved only after they had come through a longer than reasonable period of vacillation amongst the faithful. Vieira’s an exception because he liked to really get stuck in and that kind of attitude really appeals to English supporters.

    Paul N, that’s true; we saw it with Justin Hoyte. However, I think English players get a longer stay of execution. Song hasn’t fared very well amongst the support, despite the fact that he’s performed at a higher level than J Hoyte.

    As I said, the jingoism is backwards, poisonous and I want to distance myself from it, but there’s no denying that it exists (see above) and I just think it could be considered in our recruitment policy after Xmas.

  325. howard, I do admire your genius.

    Oh, this is the same “so called” quality foreign players that beat Man U also,huh? how could that be, after all they have a team full of great english players! Would you believe we beat West Ham, Blackburn, Bolton and Everton all teams who are full of English players, that could not be according to the genius of Sir Howard!

    “UNBELIEVABLE!”

  326. You’re missing the point Howard, you reference us being beaten by the like of Hull and Fulham as if they have better players than us.

    The reality is none of these teams would dream of beating us if we play as a one unit. With your mentality why do you think we beat Man Ure?…I’m sure you consider them an English team, even though I don’t think they are.

  327. howard, how do you call yourself an Arsenal fan if that is your attitude towards the players? If you have been a supporter for more than 5 minutes you would remember the days when we had more English players and also managed to lose games. I expect you were also calling for Henry, Vieira, Pires, Ljungberg and Bergkamp to be replaced by English players too?

  328. I hear you Big Al.

    I hope we break that foolishness though. The fact is when this team does get back on par no one will care if they came from mars or pluto – That a fact!

  329. Howard is all about the trophies now.

    He really doesnt care where the players come from he is just upset these little foriegners are not producing at the moment. Was he talking crap when we beat Man U?

  330. this english debate is old hat! lets dig deeper into the mystery of sol.

    sol…when you bumped off frank did he scream, arsenal, aarsenal, aaaaarsenal, on his way out!

  331. Ian

    That’s fine. I can be negative but based on what we have seen this season it gives the negativity some credence.

    I think that others glaze over the postive points that I make also.

    I’ll try and cheer up.

  332. Agree Paul! It’s just been a gloomy week, hasn’t it?

  333. Just looked at the arcticles after we beat Man U. No surprise, Howard didnt even comment!

    You are behaving like the grim reaper dude, only show up to deliver a death sentence or a vulture circling an animal that is about to die but stay away from something that is full of life.

    Not cool! who needs that type of support?

  334. Yep, its been pretty rough Big Al but I’m expecting sunshine tomorrow. I getting my shorts, t shirt, Sunglasses and flip flops ready!

    Stay strong and positive!

  335. I would love for Arsene to buy Podloski, love this player. Seems he wants out of Bayen.

  336. Paul N, I’m not sure where Podolski would fit – he doesn’t seem like an Arsenal type player. If Arshavin hadn’t been so ridiculously over-priced he could have fit in well with Arsenal. But I guess we’ll never know.

  337. A win and qualification tomorrow will help lift some of the gloom.

    Hopefully Cesc can inspire more than Gallas.

  338. Passenal, one thing he does that we need is blast the ball from a distance with accuracy. I would have him.

  339. I’m sure he can and will AIC!

  340. Hello, people.

    What a couple of weeks it has been. I had food poisoning over the weekend, so on Saturday I was literally and appropriately “sick as a parrot”!

    Mixed feelings about Cesc being made captain – is it too much pressure on him? Too much responsibility on top of his tempo-dictating duties? On the other hand, he is a talismanic player, he loves the club and he wanted the job.

    So is YW being Hercule Poirot for the night? Is he going to point a plump French finger (steady, Frank!) at someone?

    On the Englishness issue, I can’t believe we are having this debate AGAIN. All I’m saying to Howard is this, which is a methodological point – if you want to show that entirely/mostly English teams do better than mostly/entirely foreign ones, you have to look at the results and finishing positions of ALL the teams in the Premier League. Not just the teams which beat us.

    @ Alex Ice Cream
    Not having a go, but…regarding your venting earlier on about the club generally, I understand how you feel, but logically, you cannot have all the things you want.

    You want low ticket prices AND high wages for the players
    But then again you DON’T want high wages for the younger players because they have achieved nothing, but you DO think Arsene should have broken the bank to keep Flamini…who had achieved nothing. And what would have stopped him just taking that improved offer to AC Milan, demanding they match it, and leaving Arsenal anyway?
    You want money for wages etc to come from somewhere other than ticket prices and replica kit – (Sponsorship? Check. Special events? Check) but you hate the commercialisation of the club and game you love.

    You want it all, but you can’t have it all.

  341. I fear its putting too much pressure on him but hey it may inspire Cesc to new heights

  342. AIC,

    I feel a little guilty now. We all have our personalities. Sometimes spreading positivity is harder and more useful than the converse.

    I can see, however, that some might consider it laughable given the current situation.

    Nevertheless I love this team, as is and I feel that they deserve more of a chance. As does Wenger.

    There is nothing to say that things would have been better or different in a better way, had any of the millions of possible choices been taken by Wenger or each individual player.

    Anyway we are all Gooners and I, for one, don’t envy Chelsea, Tottenham or Villa. I’d love a CL trophy, but that will come……

  343. I think the things is that they will grow together instead of looking to one man, I think the Gallas situation couldve had a little touch of what happened with Henry. I think him being the captain put pressure on the youngsters because he seems to be miserable also.

    They will now rally around Cesc, I have no doubt!

  344. Ian Dolent, he who laughs last, laughs the best. You could only be laughed at if something is wrong but dont worry, keep the faith!

  345. Ian,

    I have no issue with spreading positivity and I don’t consider it laughable. People should be able to express what they feel.

    I just write as I feel. Until we lost Hleb and Flam I was hugely optimistic and tipped the team to surprise everyone last season.

    Living in denial does not help though and I can’t help feeling that some good may come of Gallas’ rant.

    Maybe I’m living in the past but I find it harder to connect to the players now than before.

  346. Why is that Alex because they are not winning?

  347. Are you saying AIC is a born winner, G4E?

  348. ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL

    Wan Arsene Wenger…Wan Arsene Wenger…QWan Arsene Weenngggeeerrr…theres only wan Arsene Weeennngggeeerrr

    We got Cesc Febregas…we got Cesc Fabregas…we got Cesc Fabregas….we got Cesc Fabregas…..

    Robin Van Persie……..clapclap,clapclapclap….Robin Van Persie….clapclap, clapclapclap

    Did I see Ateeb around here…..thought you got arrested, son….sorry about that…entirely my fault …. about the worms I mean

    Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal…..Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenaaa all…Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal…..Arsenal…ARSENAL (Pheeeep)

  349. ICECREAM The only reason I talked to Frank the moron was to prove that you, I and others were long time supporters. Then he accused me of fabricating the whole thing,but what suprises me most is I sent proof to YOGI of who I was , and what I HAD SAID WAS FACT AND HE DIDNT EVEN BOTHER TO INFORM FRANK AND PALS THAT HE HAS THE PROOF, HE JSUT IGNORED ME, SO I AM LOSING CONFIDENCE IN HIM AND MY FAVOURITE BLOG.

  350. Not totally sure. Its not success; I used to cheer on the team in the Don Howe days and they won nothing.

    Since the move to the Emirates I have felt more of a distance between the players and the club. I also find the whole matchday experience less involving that at Highbury; maybe its the distance to the pitch.

    Also a lot of players are new or relatively new compared to other team which had a mixture of newer and older players.

  351. HEY GUYS FRANK IS BACK WHERES ALL YOUR BULLSHITE PROOF THAT I AM NOT WHO I SAY I AM?

  352. sol,

    Maybe Yogi wasn’t around. You don’t have to justify yourself to anyone. Least of all Frank.

  353. @ Sol,

    He’s behind you! Good old panto season!

  354. ALEX ATEEB IAN, Poor Frank has a brain blockage where he keeps repeating his words have pity on him

  355. Oh lordy, lordy…you still around, Solgooner…I’m sorry to be so disrespectful to a man in his late seventies……big birthday coming up and all. My father is the same…he said I should be much more respectful.

    Sorry, old fella…

    Stick your ear trumpet next to this…..

    ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL

    Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal….Arsenal, ARsenal, Arsenaaaa all…Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal….Arsenal…ARSENAL

    Slighty different to the songs in your day…which I believe were quite witty..

  356. HEY BIGAL This idiot is just beyond belief. I dont know what his job is but I pity his employers

  357. FRANK 3 HOURS AGO YOU ALLEGED ALL I SAID WAS FICTION MAKE UP YOUR STUPID MIMD

  358. I’m not getting involved.

    But Sol, did you know that it was Franco – the dastard – that changed the clocks in Spain to CET?! Before that Madrid was in the same zone as London.

    He wanted have the same times as Germany and Italy. Crazy innit?!

  359. BIGAL Do you know Steve Edwards from Boatronics who works in Palma Nautico mainly

  360. Not possible to mime on a blogsite, Solgooner…but I will give it a go…………………………………………………………………………………………did you enjoy it………………………………I will try……..to do it…..again…..I think it still counts as mime if I write and don’t speak……………………………………hang on …..this is f***ing difficult…………………………….there …what did you think….I just mimed Morning Spider by Marcel Marceau……wearing only a body stocking….YW might want to check that that is a first on a blogsite

  361. IT’S YOUR BED TIME GRANDPA AND DON”T FORGET TO SOAK THE DENTURES AGAIN

    AND DON’T COMPLAIN CAUSE THAT’S WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU PLAY WITH THE KIDS

  362. Hey Frank good to see you. Apologies for not giving enough time on the stall, caught a bad flu, so reading my way out of it with catch-22.
    Interesting read.

    Couldn’t contribute much because didn’t see the game. And when I finally managed to, the debate had shifted to other more important things. Apart from the true identity of Solgooner. As for the game, we created a few chances, and weren’t as bad as depicted by the media. Given that we had so many starters out.

    Cesc the captain. I would have prefered giving him the captaincy after 3-4 years, and right now passed on to Rosicky. But his injury situation doesn’t bode well. So well, he’ll make a great captain anyways. Things are getting sorted out, the way I see it.

    SOLGOONER, Relax old chap. Yogi might have not gone through his mails yet. What’s with this identity crisis of yours?

  363. Solgooner,

    Frank is winding you up, presumably because he doesn’t like your negative comments about the team.

    Don’t worry. I believe you are authentic, and you shouldn’t get upset by Frank.

  364. GP Watch that was a little mean don’t you think?

    Come on guys, let’s just hope for a new start with a new Captain. Who cares who’s old or who’s lying? What we are sure of is what you post every day.

    Any one can pick the team tomorrow?

  365. It’s not who you are that counts, it’s what you write.

  366. Nope Sol, I don’t really know many English people in Mallorca, would you believe. In fact I speak more German (poorly) than English some days. I work for/with Germans and often don’t get out of Palma unless it’s to Soller or Valldemossa.

    Luckily my identity’s so mundane that I feel no real urgency to defend it!

  367. I believe solgooner is solgooner.

  368. Big Al, ich kenne wer du bist, machst du keine sorgen daruber !!

  369. Ateeb…mah san…where av you been already…(always wanted to do Ron Moody’s Fagin)….ah thort you ad bin arrested becos of de vorms unde da counter…?

    You are sach an onist boy..ah nooo yooo would tell tha coppa abart the mescalin worms…..so ah swapped em with earthvorms…

    Mamas chickin sooop for yoo ma boy….aynd strate too bed…theres no mistakin….

  370. Solgooner,

    I don’t understand any of this; surely you know who you are and thats the truth isn’t……..well, isn’t it?

    You are whover you want to be; whoever you say you are and whatever you want to be………

  371. whoever, apols.

  372. Poliziano, how about playing Solgooner as CF after january. Work rate may be slightly low, but imagine how he can fool the opponents that he is one of them. Get a pass, and score.

  373. Oh wow..is that the Grand Muppet, Muppet McPuppet himself…..by jiminy it looks a bit like him….joined another gang it seems…Ateeb got those shirts ready

    Double strength Ibuprofen, Ateeb…alternate it with Paracetamol at two hourly intervals…lots of fluid…mainly citrus…lay off milk…tell them you can’t make work and curl up with some good DVDs until you feel better….get as much sugar into your system as you can…..and if you still have a fever try to pretend it is mescaline and listen to lots of King Crimson….Catch22 is good….but not very cheerful…take care….and I really mean take care….Frank

  374. solgooner can add some much needed experience to the team.

  375. What’s this? Spain. Is Sol Spanish? Short for what? Soliterra, mmm, no isn’t that Sherry?

    omg; sorry should be omG!

    Its no good when your are just an occasional reader you know?

    Does anyone else get lost in these comments?

    Come on now tell me which one of you is Mr Red Action?

    You’re the one I really have a rosbif with!

  376. On second thoughts, combine King Crimson with lsd, they go together.

  377. Vielen Dank, Muppet. Meine Identitätsproblemen sind endlich vorbei. Leider fangen meine zahlreiche Deutschschwierigkeiten erst jetzt an.

    Sein oder nicht sein, das ist die Frage!

  378. I just worry that solgooner has lost that yard of pace.

    solgooner, how many yards of pace do you have?

    What about solgooner as player-manager? He has told us himself about his business acumen, and his word is not to be doubted. With his walking-stick, he could make a good midfield hatchet man.

  379. Frank, don’t worry about the worms. The minute I sensed danger, I got rid of them. Maybe that’s why I feel a bit sick. But reading the book has led me to new ideas about our stall. We can start our own syndicate. In which evryone can have a share. Even Solgooner. Profits are to be made my friend. Here’s a paragraph from the book.


    I don’t understand why you buy eggs at seven cents a piece in Malta and sell them for five cents.”
    “I do it to make a profit.”

    “But how can you make a profit? You lose two cents an egg.”

    “But I make a profit of three and a quarter cents an egg by selling them at four and a quarter cents an egg to the people in Malta I buy them from for seven cents an egg. Of course, I don’t make the profit. The syndicate makes the profit. And everybody has a share.”

    Yossarian felt he was beginning to understand. “And the people you sell the eggs to at four and a quarter cents a piece make a profit of two and three quarter cents a piece when they sell them back to you at seven cents a piece. Is that right? Why don’t you sell the eggs directly to you and eliminate the people you buy them from?”

    “Because I am the people I buy them from,” Milo explained. “I make a profit of three and a quarter cents a piece when I sell them to me and a profit of two and three quarter cents apiece when I buy them back from me. That’s a total profit of six cents an egg. I lose only two cents an egg when I sell them to the mess halls at five cents apiece, and that’s how I can make a profit buying eggs for seven cents apiece and selling them for five cents apiece. I pay only one cent a piece at the hen when I buy them in Sicily.”

    “In Malta,” Yossarian corrected. “You buy your eggs in Malta, not Sicily.”

    Milo chortled proudly. “I don’t buy eggs from Malta,” he confessed… “I buy them in Sicily at one cent apiece and transfer them to Malta secretly at four and a half cents apiece in order to get the price of eggs up to seven cents when people come to Malta looking for them.”

  380. Passenal,

    Thank you for your observation on my Anelka note.

    Are you sure you should be contributing to a site such as this? Isn’t your view a little too balanced and well thought out?

    Why do you think before you speak? Its a rare talent!!

  381. Du sprichst wirklich gut deutsch Big Al ! Ich bin beiindruckt. Leider mein hauptproblem ist die umlaut zu finden !

    Ja, sein order nicht sein. Naturlich.

  382. Oh f***, ATeeb ..did you eat all the f***in worms….how can we even hope to match Milo if you eat all the worms….well if it makes you fell better…..

    No, Muppet…KC is better with mescaline than lsd

  383. I think a brain transplant for Frank would be ideal especially as his exisiting brain is a very valuable commodity its unused

  384. Hmmm… pretty much your standard ranch stash so far as we head into the night…

    Where are the Red Activists?

    Are there any?

  385. Look…Big Al is Big Al, Muppet….and Muppet is Muppet, Big Al…..identity is not a problem…and stop fiddling with your f***ing umlauts

  386. Excellent Senor Sol…. thats irony right? I get it at last!

    Whats Spanish for red?

    Do you want to be an activist?

  387. Frank tambien un tonto sin inteligencia y cabeza flojo

    mais il parle francais avec tout lequipe y avec monsieur docteur wenger

  388. Thanks Frank. I am trying my best. Have to get ready for the game. Have to see our new capi in action. The best, he will be. A legend he will become. Historic day tommorow. No more whining and moaning from our captain. No more of that touchy sensitive stuff about ” the young lads don’t show respect”. No more bul**** interviews, to promote your book. Cesc the awesome will set the world/pitch on fire tommorow. If you thought he was good at Milan, now on every game will be Milan (and alot of other games that surely I can’t fit on this comment section). Our unbeaten run starts tommorow. Throw in Vela, Ramsey and mix it with a bit of Wilshere. And round it off with the left over Hoyte. And add sprinkes of RVP. And let Denilson and Captain Cesc serve.

  389. How about a brain implant for Frank?

  390. Sore Finger…welcome…are you flirting with Passenal?

    …and you are right where are these Red Inaction chappies??

  391. Senor Sol,

    Did you know Mr Franco?

    He was an activist I understand; were you around then?

  392. Yes go Cesc , Wilshere and Co.

  393. Sol,

    El es un culo grande. No me gusta como habla de las otras personas aqui. Un a person debe tener la libertad de decir lo que quiere.

    Ojala que nos vaya bien con el capitan Cesc.

  394. He was in Mallorca in the seventies, but I dont think he supported AFC

  395. Poliziano,
    I like your idea better. Solgooner would be better utilised that way. I’m just not sure if he knows when to stop though. You know…..Keeps going on and on and on and on…..might give a little drag to our players. We wouldn’t want that.

  396. Mr Frank,

    Its one thing to f*** with Senor Sol but dont question my sexuality!

  397. Ahora todo el mundo habla en Espanol y Francesy Frank en El Gibberish

  398. Nuesto amigo habla la lengua de mierda solamente.

  399. Any credence to the story that Merida is playing ?

    If so… any thoughts ?

  400. I am getting motorised sneakers tent plus titanium heels Im unstopable look out John Terry

  401. Porque es un mierda

  402. Glücklicherweise habe ich eine Deutche Laptop.

    Danke für deine mitleid,

    Muss zugeben daß mein Universitätsstudium Deutsch war. Das heißt nicht, daß ich Deutsch gut schreiben oder sprechen kann, sondern ich habe Deutsche Literatuur und Kultur studiert. Ich konnte Englische Übersetzungen für die Mehrheit der Bücher findem.

    Deshalb habe ich jetzt Probleme! Hast du Deutsch Studiert?

  403. What a star you are Ateeb…go to bed..take it easy..and we will prevail tomorrow…….misery squad will still be about…no doubt they will find something to moan about and of course they will have spotted it all before…..we have seen today the lengths they will go to to spresd their rubbish….stolen identities etc etc ……but we will prevail you, Passenal, Flint, Muppet, G4E, Poliziano, Paul N, Veteran..YW who needed cheering up today…hope we managed it…..Sore Finger who seems to have something interesting about him….Ian Dolent…Big Al the private dick …etc etc

    You never know, Solgooner might confess before we let out a few goodies…

  404. usted puede hacer mejor que el Señor Sol

  405. Frank who only speaks fluent rubbish is getting confused

  406. finden – I mean I have to correct myself in English nearly all the time. German kicks things up a notch.

  407. Muppet,
    Young guns came out with that news. And they are usually quite reliable. He hasn’t caught the spotlight like Vela, Wilshere, or Ramsey. But he’s deffinately as good as any of them. Judging from how much I’ve seen of him, I think he likes to make the killer pass. And quite successfully too.

    He has made the squad, but don’t know if he’ll play. So has Simpson, and Hoyte.

  408. El habla mierda.

    Estamos confundiendonos!

  409. BIGAL It wasnt your uncle who bombed Coventry?

  410. Internationals are over people, you missed the time frame.

    By the way, you can get any thing translated on Google, so to the linguists: don’t get carried away :)

  411. What a great blog this is!

  412. GUYS In this show we have been puttting on you always need a dummy and Frank is ideal.

  413. Oh dear, Sol. Or should that be ‘Ach weh!’?

  414. GUYS This has been a great show tonite and in every show you need a dummy and a stooge and Frank played that part well

  415. Ich habe nur das Abitur auf deutsch genommen, als ich junger war. Ich habe meine License auf Informatik, deshalb wahrschienhlich bin ich nicht zu fliessend wie du.

    Hast du einmal in Deutschland gewohnt oder gerarbeitet ?

  416. alex please contact me at gooner1939@gmail.com

  417. Ateeb,

    Thanks. Very interesting. I did see a youtube video of him once, when he was in the Barcelona youth team. He looked sensational. But they always say that about youtube clips.

  418. Muppet Ive seen him at Barcelona and here hes great in the under 19 team and I hope he gets a chance as does Vela

  419. Shame on you Gunner4ever; you spoilt it for everyone.
    Partypooper

  420. Solgooner,

    Yes. I hope he does get a chance. I hope also that the wolves don’t surround Wenger before that with the usual accusations of playing youth.

    Still, too many injuries at the moment. Not many options.

  421. I meant with the Spanish under 19 team

  422. Muppet,
    Watching Merida in carling cup, he looked to me the most mature player on the pitch. He doesn’t try to complicate things, or do fancy stuff. He keeps it simple. Which is really something we need right now. Back to the basics.

    I think I might have seen the youtube video as well. Nacer Barazite looked sensational as well. The music though is always a bummer.

  423. lol at G4E re the google translation !

  424. Ateeb, lol… yeah these guys are always going for a grammy

  425. I believe MERIDA should hve been loaned to Ossasuna he would have come back like Vela with a lot more week to week experience

  426. My first point is that I am not at all confused Solgooner….some of the stuff you came out with is pretty base…strange that AIC thinks that he should have the right to speak but then reverts to Spanish to state privately to you that I am speaking shit….of course I am…that is the fun is it not?

    But why would AIC then discuss the fact that you are both speaking shit spanish??

    Big Al, is an honest chap and is wondering if his German is really good enough…and questions where or how Muppet studied German…..

    I have a very, very strong statement to make to you in a moment or two, Solgooner…so those of a delicate disposition, please log out or at least forgive me.

  427. Well folks its 1.15 and I have a 10AM meeting and being old slow and senile I think I will go to bed

  428. pensamiento mio:

    where are the red activists; come on show your faces

  429. At last he’s gone to bed; no more spanish then?

    The fact that some 90 years old Spanglish person can dominate this site really is s****

    Where are you Red Action?

  430. What a jolly, multilingual troupe we are. Maybe we should all go on holiday together! All back to Solgooner’s?

  431. Ian Im till awake Marbella is too laid back and for old fogeys

  432. Testing 1, 2
    Testing 1, 2

    Es todo ahora

    The reds actions are missing

  433. Sore Finger whos stopping you from dominating the blog

  434. Zeit vier Jahren habe ich für ein paar Monaten in Hamburg gewohnt. Ich habe dort Germanistik ‘Studiert’ aber wenig gesprochen weil meine Wohngemeinschaft voll von Spanieren (?) und Französen war.

    Es ist ziemlich peinlich für mich, daß du ein Abitur auf Deutsch. Habe ich bis jetzt keine fehler gesehen.

    Wie Sol, muss ich jetzt schlafen. Aber es war sehr nutzlich für mich ein bißchen Übung zu holen. Bis morgen!

  435. The bombing of Coventry was hilarious, wasn’t it, Verbal…absolutely hilarious….and you managed to rope Big Al into your joke…well done. Bye AIC…watch your arse,son.

  436. What a disaster. Those translation engines are an absolute joke, but I think it would’ve been the less embarrassing option in this case. A German person would be cracking up right now!

  437. Senor Sol,

    Well, I guess it must be that barra boy Frank!

    Err…if its not you that is….?

    Where are the Red Actors?

  438. …daß du ein Abitur auf Deutsch haben. Bis jetzt habe ich…

  439. BIGAL Our ignorant friend doesnt know the faulty towers type humour whenever Im around German speakers I bring up German misdeeds. Worked great In Andraitx

  440. Good to see AIC does have a sense of humour after all.

    Shame it only works in foreign.

  441. well we had fun tonite this is a great blog and we alll forgot last Saturday

  442. We gotta keep the world inaction (red)

  443. Like I say, I’m not getting involved with that stuff. It really depends on who you’re dealing with, Sol. Sometimes it can be a real ice breaker. Other times it goes down like a lead balloon (or is that zeppelin?!)

    One colleague loves the banter: ‘Jawolhl’ etc. I wouldn’t initiate anything like that though.

  444. WHY if we are that BAD were we one win ( man u ) away from the title last year yes we need a CB DM and a top keeper , but imagine if we still had bruce Rioch as manager where would we be

    boring boring Arsenal with no trophys in the last 15 years
    BE REAL

  445. This ‘my hovercraft is full of eels’ stuff is excellent…..nice on Big Al

    On a serious note…interesting sharing the blog with a 78 year old man who lived in London during the war who thinks that the bombing of Coventry is funny…..if my mother meets him he won’t make 79…her family were in Coventry during the war and several friends were killed…they were children at the time…never heard a 78 year old Englishman speak of Coventry like that before….undoubtedly there were many in Germany who suffered the same fate…that generation find it difficult to forget……except, Solgooner of course…..is this what Arsenal fans have become???? You f***ing liar

  446. “faulty towers type humour whenever Im around German speakers I bring up German misdeeds. Worked great In Andraitx”

    Excuse me but Fawlty Towers parodied such bigotry; so its funny if you see it that way but not… if………….maybe you’ve just outed yourselves?

  447. Hey Frank my brother,

    I’d let it lie for a while. Pick your battles, I don’t think you’re going to get much joy in this one, for now.

    Still, I’m sure that must be the most times you’ve ever been called stupid in one day. (Family doesn’t count) ;o)

  448. Can one out oneself?
    Maybe not
    If one could, one would be inside out.
    So, I apologise my previous remark was technically incorrect.
    Nevertheless, very accurate. What do you think Big Al?

  449. Hey Frank,

    Seen a fair amount German film – it was my way of copping out of actually learning the language properly. I don’t want to make generalisations about how they coped, or have coped until now.

    I’d say check out anything by Fassbinder or a film called ‘Die Bleierne Zeit’ by von Trotta, I think. Difficult viewing, but definitely cool. Also, try ‘The Reader’ by Bernard Schlink. Once you get past the perverted opening, you get to see all the old wounds get opened up. Grizzly stuff. OK, must sleep.

  450. You are not my brother, Ian…and I get called stupid , c***, imbecile, inept, fascist, arsehole almost daily…I have had my children and my family insulted…..and all the time by people who claim that I have no brain and that my optimism is misguided…….f*** off with your advice, sunshine, f*** off

    ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL

  451. ‘The Reader’ is a book btw. Nytol!

  452. Wan Arsene Wenger….theres only wan Arsene Wenger…wan Arsene Weeennnnggggeeerrr…theres only wan Arsene Weennngggeeerrr

  453. Danny Murphy: I SALUTE YOU!

    Never, ever thought I’d see myself writing that!

    Nice one Sir.

  454. I dont speak spanish or german but I’m fluent in Jamaican patoi – check dis!

    “Arsenal ah go kick up Dynamo Kiev Blow wow inna di morrows!”

  455. I don’t need any more war stories, Big Al…my family have provided me with many, many first hand accounts and my son speaks German nigh on fluently…his great passion before University was German political history…..

  456. Hey Frank, I’m just trying to show some support.

    Try a little tenderness…

  457. You are a good man. Paul N…and a star

  458. Ah tink it may b time 4 da fingameister to retire and go doooo his stuff

  459. I don’t need your support, Ian

  460. Good night, SF…sweet dreams

  461. If you say so Frank, but you might be surprised.

    Anyway, I had always thought that a little fragrance clings to the hand that gives the rose.

    Had no idea you were so prickly though, my mistake.

  462. You obviously don’t give roses very often, Ian

  463. Are you a girl, Sore Finger?

  464. Exactly

  465. I’m not really being prickly, Ian…I am just trying to get out of this mime bodystocking thing so that I can have a piss.

  466. Frank,

    hmmmn

  467. Cheers Frank, apart from your */#$!@ words, I like your style too! ha ha!

    Frank we know there is something special about this team we just have to have their back and they will come with the goods!

  468. What you mean you don’t know, SF?

  469. Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal….Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenaaa all……Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal….Arsenal…ARSENAL

  470. Frank,

    Frankly, I dont like this…ooh I didn’t mean Frank/Frankly like that but now I’m all flustered and don’t know what to say!!

    If you persist I may become a Spanish war baby!

    Don’t try to bully me.

    May you rest in peace

    OOPS!

    I meant as in; have a good night’s sleep not die and be burned etc and then have a happy whatever these revisionists call it (afterlife? or does that desribe Senor Sol et Al?)

  471. [...] from the comments section of A Cultured Left Foot,  comment by By: Muppet on November 24, 2008 at 9:17 pm [...]

  472. Solgunner y So.re F.inger son ambos penes estúpidos. mudo como vaca. Aclamaciones

  473. I think this is a cool post from Gunnerblog…click my name if you like to read it.

  474. Good morning FRANK Just to clarify your stupidity some of my own family were killed in the Blitz in 1940, so humour with Germans appeals to me.tinged with sadness

    Its a pity your turned on me as I am sure your Dad doesnt realise the diatribe you made about my stories of the past that were 100% true. and Yogi knows it even if hes deaf and dumb now

  475. G4E that was great CHANGE starts tonight

  476. FRANK Dont you think somethings wrong when you say you and your family get insulted every day,? It seems odd to me

  477. Maybe my family are insulted maybe not , old fella…you will never know will you?

    Maybe I am an unemployed mime artist trying to get a pitch in Covent Garden…..but then maybe not…

    Maybe I am a doctor or nurse….maybe not

    Maybe I am a sixties hippie…maybe not

    Maybe I went to University in London…..Big Al thinks so….but maybe not

    Maybe I was born in Scotland….maybe not

    Maybe I am a stall holder…..pretending to be a stall holder….not a stall holder…

    Doesn’t matter really

    Maybe you live in Spain…..maybe not

    Maybe you used to live in America….may be not

    Maybe you lived in Stoke Newington…..maybe not

    Maybe you went to the Moscow Dynamo game …maybe not

    Maybe you are 78…or 72…..or 64…..or 54……or 44…..or 34…..mybe not

    I doesn’t really matter…..just great fun….some of it is horrible …some a great joy…some creative …some boring….

    Who cares we are just trying to get behind the manager and players aren’t we?……maybe not!

    ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL

  478. [...] from the comments section of A Cultured Left Foot, comment by By: Muppet on November 24, 2008 at 9:17 pm [...]

  479. ….oh Muppet you’ve gone and spoiled it now!…….maybe

  480. I mean how are we supposed to call you the Grand Muppet, Muppet McMuppet…named by your parents Dave and Sue McMuppet becuase they could not think of a suitable name….

  481. FRANK for once we agree completely, tonight I hope is the start of a new era,

    Ask your dad if he remembers the 653 and 647 buses, he will know what era that was.

  482. Muppet youre a poet and now we all know it…

  483. Frank,
    I have some bad news for you. I too was a spectator at that great match between Arsenal and Dynamo Kiev in 1945. Remember it as if it was yesterday. The thing that sticks it my mind is the fog. I’ve never seen anything like it. I actually suspect that Kiev had more than 11 players on the pitch. I don’t know if anyone else has ever suggested that. I can confirm that a young man called solgooner was there. All the fans and players knew him. Miserable bugger he was, even then. He never laughed except when someone was killed by a German bomb. We could never see the joke. “That’s a bit edgy,” we used to say, in the language of those days.

  484. Going down the tunnel …tunnel….tunn……tu now…..ow…ow…ow.


Categories