Posted by: Yogi's Warrior | November 21, 2008

William Gallas Must Be Stripped Of The Captaincy

One of the great messages that comes out of the club, and has done for many seasons, is that the squad is unified, is one and is together in their pursuit of honours. We all know that this is a myth to some degree because even the most congenial of settings, a sustained period of harmony is impossible, particularly in a scenario where there is heady combination of egos and testosterone. You accept that but one thing that has happened is that any rows have been kept behind closed doors, dealt with in-house and certainly not played out in the back pages. Not any more.

In bringing a row on the pitch into the back pages, William Gallas has created all sorts of problems for himself as leader, not just in relation to the obvious breach of trust which has happened. Having been the subjected to a media witchhunt, there can be little sympathy for a man who walks around the fire and pours petrol over it. It is impossible to conceive of a way in which he can, in the long-term, the captaincy. I would be surprised if he is not Captain on Saturday simply due to the absences and lack of cover in defence which mean Gallas must play. Once the final whistle has gone, Arsene has a decision to make as to who must replace him, assuming Gallas does not do the honourable thing and hand in his armband before then.

Infuriatingly, Gallas‘ comments are not out of line when he talks of the team’s performance:

We have to understand that to be champions, you have to play big matches every weekend and fight. We are coming up against teams who are not scared to play football against us, who are not scared to take us on at our place, and this is becoming dangerous for Arsenal.

He is absolutely correct in his analysis. The problem is the inconsistency being shown by the team. Losing to (with all due respect) teams such as Fulham, Hull, Stoke and Villa as well as dropping points against Sunderland and Tottenham shows that there are weaknesses to be exploited. The run has to end quickly to restore the ‘fear factor’. Observations about fighting, warriors are the perfect words to use. It is a time for the team to win ‘ugly’ which means they still play better football than 90% of the top flight.

This all gets lost in the mire surrounding his comments, widely accepted as being about Robin van Persie. Quite what the Dutchman has said or (not) done to instigate the criticism, I cannot remember. Gallas quotes himself as saying at the interval:

There was a problem at halftime. The only thing that I could say at halftime was ‘Guys, we resolve these problems after the match, not at halftime.’

Quite right too. At half-time, the only thing that should have concerned them was winning the match, not bitching about one player unless their performance was wholly detrimental to the team. It was not given they had clawed themselves back into the game and finished the half on top.

It is not hard to work out why Gallas has made his outburst. He gives the reason himself:

I am trying to defend myself a bit without giving names. Otherwise I’m taking it all (the blame). It’s very frustrating

He is feeling the pressure of the constant criticism of his leadership and his form which is hardly surprising given his culpability in goals conceded this season. Quite what he hoped to achieve is anyone’s guess. Frankly the only outcome is the complete loss of trust from his colleagues. Personally, I have no time for his whining and self-pity. He would have gained more respect from everyone had he knuckled down, concentrated on his game and leading the team. Instead, he has attracted scorn and derision.

The nail in his coffin, so to speak, comes with the comments:

When, as captain, some players come up to you and talk to you about a player … complaining about him … and then during the match you speak to this player and the player in question insults us.

The only people who know what was actually said and whether it constitutes being called an insult are those involved. If disrespect is being shown to the team, Gallas as captain is quite right to pull someone up over it. He is wrong to bring that into the public domain without prompting. It begs the question as to how unified the dressing room  really is. Yet they are all big enough and ugly enough to handle this in house and sort out their own squabbles internally.

Little surprise that Tottenham stayed in the game. If they heard the arguments, they would have carried on believing. Perhaps RvP commented that players were being too slack in defensive duties. Who knows but that would have been a pertinent observation.

The impact of this is to further destabilise the club, in the eyes of the public as it is, and gives Manchester City, a team struggling for form, further hope that they can take the points tomorrow. It will require a cohesive team effort to win with the game. Maybe this is what Gallas is trying to achieve and has Arsene’s blessing to do so. I cannot think that it would be simply due to the crass nature of the psychology involved.

It is little more than self-pity on Gallas’ part. He indicates that he feels his future is not necessarily at the club. So be it. At the end of this season let him go.

No doubt there will be clarifications about what he has said or not, denials and contrition. I do not care for that. I cannot support William Gallas as captain and if anything is won this season, it will be in spite of his leadership not because of it.

’til Tomorrow.


Responses

  1. Anyone think he might just have been a very clever Chelsea Trojan Horse, sent deep undercover to destabilise our proud club?

    No, me either, but I’m trying to take my mind off the implosion of AFC.

  2. I hear you and agree wholly, Yogi.

  3. In my opinion he has to go as player and captain…and he has to go now. The unforgiveable element to this outburst is that he has left a horrible stain….he has made an accusation which has caused several players and two in particular to be victims of horrible abuse in press, media and blogsite…and has caused even more abuse of the manager….he could not have conducted a more effective smear campaign if he tried…..even if it takes us a while to repair the damage our first act should be to jettison him…he cannot be captain…and his presence in the team can only be disruptive to players and an affront to supporters.

  4. Disagree
    He is pretty much spot on with what he says , maybe shouldn’t come out in public but it no -one is getting through the message inside the walls of the squad. How many bad games does he have as a player not many I know, with some of the points thrown away by fans favourite clichy and co, we all doing in the stands what Gallas is doing on the pitch and going mad and kicking off. They have played in prem for 3 years now , get the massage that turning up and knocking a few passes round doesn’t win games

  5. What puzzles me is the rank immaturity shown by Billy the Kid in making these comments. Did he not for once think about the effect this could have on the team’s mental state, which is already under immense pressure? Heck, over the last couple of seasons, young Theo(19) has shown more mental balance and poise than Gallas(31).

    Does anybody else think it’s time for Gael to step up to the plate?

  6. I don’t think that this will be an implosion of AFC at all….AW has been watching the defence for some time…he has been making adjustments and is about to make his decision…I think that the defence and WG in particular have been blamed for the Villa result and for not holding on against the Spuds…the defence have let us down at key moments this season and WG is at the centre of it. I would not be surprised if AWs reference to waiting until the end of December to make a decision about buying is a reference to the ‘gauntlet’ he threw down to his defence. It takes time to get this right and I think he will act now…..he is more patient than me and will probably hold on to WG for a little while for internal political reasons ….but I would see WG gone as soon as possible. I don’t want a captain who speaks of players to the press in the club…end of.

  7. Now all the haters of gallas are going to come out of their holes…. Before we jump on his head let us wait to hear what the official stance is from Arsenal. Don’t believe all you read from the Tabloid Trash (English or French). I recall when Gallas made some pretty decent comments about Walcott it was twisted and turnd by the Tbloid hacks… every team has a bit of conflict now and again and it usually spurs them on…. Leave Gallas as the captain for this season and support him. He hasn’t said anything out of order…….

  8. We are all of course assuming he actually said all this and the innocent press have just reported word for word????

  9. Unusually fierce for you, Yogi!

    I want to latch on to a comment you made about a “cohesive team effort”. I think that is where we are coming up short this year. I get the feeling that too many of our players don’t really know what their roles in the team are. There are too many times when the midfield, in particular, are strung out across the pitch, with no cohesive structure to close down space.

    In truth, it was exactly that quality that Villa had that won the game for them last week. There was no individual in their team that was any better than ours but they played to structure and a plan that (a) minimized the space available to us and (b) ensured they won the ball back before it got into dangerous areas.

    It may be a feature of the age and experience of our midfield; I don’t know. I can’t help feeling that good coaching could instill those qualities, so you are left to wonder why we keep plodding on with the same deficiencies.

  10. …not the point Troof….it is not a case of hating him….I thought that it might have been an inspired signing and supported him after the Birmingham incident…..but even speaking to the press without due care and attention about internal issues is off the map for any captain…doesn’t matter about misquotes …..it will have potentially far reaching consequences…he will not be able to repair the damage his own reputation has suffered in the dressing room..

  11. I’m going to assume that this story is true if only because it seems to capture Gallas’ character perfectly. If it is a dodgy story then it has been executed with fastidious attention to the guy’s quotes over the past year or so.

    A captain should never go public with damaging information about the team. It is sheer lunacy.

    It’s really difficult to stay cool on this one. Blaming other players for poor results, revealing private club matters; that’s the first thing they tell you never to do at captain school, isn’t it?

    I know our former captains weren’t exactly saints; Tony Adams comes immediately to mind, but he dealt with his demons in a dignified way and knew when to talk and when to shut the fug up.

    Poor AW’s in a bit of a pickle now. You really get the feeling that if Gallas loses the captaincy, he’ll want out straight away and could cause even more disruption.

  12. woops, fastidious attention is a bit of a tautology

  13. It is interesting that Ameya Sarda, like a number of others, has suggested making Gael the captain.

    The truth is that Gael is the most inconsistent of all our players. I love much of what he does but, with alarming regularity, he drops the team in the deep dooh dooh big time.

    He nearly got an own goal against Man Utd, which would have cost us 2 points; he succeeded against Villa, which cost us the chance of 1 point. He instigated the collapse against Tottenham, not forgetting the goals he gave away against Birmingham & Manchester City last year.

    Gael is a flair player, who plays on instinct. A captain needs to be disciplined, organized and reliable. Gael is nowhere near ready for that role yet.

  14. WORD!

  15. Well put Yogi. I have read many blogs on this and the papers today. You are I think the first to make the great point, rather than be stripped of the captaincy, WG should do the honourable thing and resign. He has bought ridicule to the club by making public the private business of the team.

    I agree with much of what he said about fight etc, but not the making public of a private squabble to shift blame from himself. It is a captains role to take the blame, all part of the job.

    My only query on your post is “…which mean Gallas must play.” I would play Dijorou and Silvestre. I say this because if he cared a jot for AFC he could hand on the arm band and still play well for us, but he clearly doesn’t as illustrated by his line on ‘I must win something…’ and therefore without the armband (to support his massive ego) I don’t think he will care, and therefore won’t play for us.

    Villa are a lesson here, despite Barry telling the world how much he wants to play for Liverpool, he stayed put, was punished by Martin O’Neil, yet still gives loads for the team, without (apparently) the dressing room falling apart around him. Oh if only….

  16. While we were all hoping for a clear the air talk like the one that took place 10 yrs ago at this club, something so opposite seems to be happening. Don’t know how this outburst would help the team’s performance. Btw, does the timing of this has something to do with AW praising JD this same week?

    We needed some imputes to wake-up from the slumber, the loss to Villa, Cecs’s ban, Walcott’s injury & now this, there would be significant change in personal tomorrow, hopefully there is a significant change in the performance as well.

  17. It is interesting that everybody has jumped to the conclusion that it was Robin Van Persie who Gallas meant.

    Adebayor is 6 years and 6 months younger than Gallas. It could just as easily have been him. He is quite capable of being disruptive, as we saw in his relationship with Bendtner last year.

  18. Big Al,

    Yeah it does look like the comments could have come from Gallas himself. Sounds like him for sure. When Wenger made Gallas captain I guess he was thinking
    a) Of his most experienced player who has experienced what it is like to win trophies
    b) One who can command a first team place in my team almost automatically
    c) One who can mentor and guide younger players by winning their respect by virtue of his previous record and achievement.

    It did seem like an inspired move at the time as well. Well what did we fugging know what would happen next.

  19. Troof

    You will see from the archives here that I have been on the whole supportive of Gallas. With this I cannot do that any more.

    All the while he is on the pitch, he will get my support as an Arsenal player but I cannot see how he will remain one in these circumstances.

    As for believing the media, we don’t. This interview came out on the wires yesterday morning. If it were not true, the content is so incendiary that a denial would have been issued last night at the latest, in time to be picked up for the morning dailies in the UK. His personal website and Arsenal.com have nothing of the sort.

    Indeed, the club will probably not make any official comment other than what Arsene has to say at lunchtime today. Given that Wenger will want to play down the incident, there would be little surprise if a denial of some sort comes out.

    Problematically for the club, the source is a major and normally reliable newswire service. That is not to say it is above being wrong but it is a hell of a fight to pick for the Press Office.

    YW

  20. aj, it doesn’t really matter who it was – Gallas as a player and even more so as captain should not be airing these disputes in public. He has really gone too far this time and personally I don’t see a way back for him.

  21. aj,

    I think no self-respecting gunner will go so far as to call Gael “the most inconsistent of all our players”.

    Sagna aside, he has been pretty much the best defender for Arsenal this season. A young team such as ours requires, more that anything else, a leader who can inspire the team with his presence on the field. Initially, i thought Gallas, with his slightly OTT and emotional displays would do the trick. But that has not proved so.

    Clichy plays with a big heart, is willing to go through a wall for the team, and has the respect of all his teammates. From all i’ve seen of him, he seems to have a balanced and mature personality.

    While i would never, ever question his culpability in the defensive errors you mentioned, these mistakes can be ironed out with time.

    However, i expect Wenger to take the safer option, and if he does choose to demote Gallas, Almunia will be captain.

  22. aj,

    As you note, EA25 is not 25 years old. Also, in the Ade/Bendtner spat it was the latter who also swore at WG when he tried to calm things down: if I recall properly!

  23. If I follow the logic of YW, Gallas said it or Arsenal would have denied it. However, Arsenal are likely to deny it because it could have a negative short-term impact!:~)

  24. SHAMELESS IS AS SHAMELESS DOES.

    So the great “leader” has spoken. One would have expected william gallas to keep his inflated head well below the parapet after the fiasco of last season and his stupid indiscretions in the press this season as well.

    Has this man no sense of shame?

    First of all his defending is deeply questionable, let alone provide leadership and he has the audacity to mouth off again and again undermining the club.

    I was one of the most VOCAL CRITICS of the gallas/cashley deal (we should have, without doubt, taken the 20 million + from chelsea).

    I dont want to say anything derogatory about gallas at this moment in time. It has all been said before.We just need to concentrate what Arsene needs to do with him.

    I had said we need to back him till the end of the season (as there was nothing that could be done before the transfer window) and that he should be replaced IMMEDIATELY once the season ends.

    But it now seems arsene’s hand might be forced. If that is the case, then stripping gallas of the captaincy would be an UNQUESTIONABLY POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT, as far as this team is concerned.

    Cheers all!

  25. Very forthright today, YW.

    On the evidence we have, I have to agree with you.

    However we do not know all the facts about the true personalities of the players. Who has the respect of the others etc. etc.

    In the absence of Gallas resigning, it is something that AW has to deal with & quickly.

    From an outsiders point of view I agree with Passenal, that Gallas has gone too far. That being the case Frank is right that he has to go both as captain & player & asap.

    He can be an exceptional player but too often he has not shown the concentration & courage that he seems to find lacking in others.

    Maybe this will act as a catalyst to sort a few things out.

  26. Dgob

    I agree, whatver has been said and come out in the media… if Arsenal deny it its case closed for now. If Gallas is dropped instantly on Saturday then you know actions are in place from now. I think that is what we need to inspire this time, i would like to see a new head to this team, i really cannot give a crap if Gallas wants to leave after being stripped of the captaincy. He is detrimental to every mental aspect of this team, he is passionate, and a winner but his childish displays undermine any form of leadership he could have on this team.

    I dont see his performances as bad, and if Wenger sits him aside and says you are still a defender for Arsenal football club, you play well your in the team etc etc… because we do need him. I think Djourou and Gallas will make a great partnership, but him being capatin isnt working at all. The media take his comments and it simply poisons our club and our players.

    Every team has their fair share of arguments, but when ur captain releases that info to the press during pressing times then i cant see no other choice but give it to someone else.

    HE HAS LOST ALL RESPECT, he should turn the captaincy in and say thank you to the boss for the opportunity and admit that he isnt up to it.

  27. No-one has mentioned the fact that Gallas’ autobiography comes out today. Could this be the reason for the timing of his outburst, after all the Spurs game happened some time ago. If this is the case it surely confirms that Gallas has no right to PLAY for Arsenal never mind be captain!

  28. My choice for captain would have been Cesc, but i dont think his displays even warrant him as a guaranteed starter at this current moment in time.

    Would love to see Clichy get it with all his drive, determination and passion… plus he is a great defender and probably the best LB around despite his occasionaly blip. Toure has dropped in stature and importance to the team so i wouldnt choose him but then again he is VICE CAPTAIN, he would be the logical choice. Almunia is a safe bet also.

    If Cesc got the captaincy the team will be buzzing, Cesc has been Arsenal for the last 4 years. He has carried the team, he is our engine, this season he hasnt been performing this is what he needs to get him going.

    Cesc performances have shown the fans that something aint right in the team, time to fix it Wenger.

  29. Fugging bastard wg

  30. Can’t say I disagree with your opinion. Gallas is just frustrated at the lack of focus by the youngsters. He hasn’t won any trophies since joining Arsenal and now he’s getting frustrated. Fabregas needs to take the armband.

  31. If anyone buys this man’s autobiography they should be put-down.

  32. Yogi,
    I love reading your blogs, but recently I have become increasingly tired of you following too much the head line.
    Arsenal is not well at the moment, and you are distracting us with William Gallas who is not the one who makes team selection as well as buying players fit for the Premiership.
    Yes! Gallas is wrong for criticising in public team mates; but I think he is absolutely right about criticising them, as Captain.
    And I am going to take RVP as a bad example of a kind of players who will never make Arsenal win anything anytime. Here is a player for the last four years, when he is not on hospital bed, he is suspended for three matches banned, managing only about 10 to 13 goals per season as a striker; but as soon as he gets a call for a national game, he will go weither he is fully fit or not, and score goals there.
    This cannot go on for ever. Gallas is Gallas and that is not what is warring me right now; it’s AW ’s team selection which is troubling me.
    I whish Yogi will focus more on AW , and not Willy!

    For the Preview, this is my team selection:

    1 Fabianski.

    Djourou- Gallas(Captain)-Silvestre- Clichy.

    Ramsey- Song.

    Diaby- RVP- Nasri.

    Ade.

    4-2-3-1.

    City 1- 3 Arsenal.

  33. lc

    You are wrong, as captain you have responsiblity to represent your club, not show us up to the rest of the Premiership and the world. It shows weakness and lack of unity in the group, he cannot handle the pressures of being captain because he doesnt say the right things, and he doesnt lead by example. Yes he is the most experienced, but your place in the team should be looked at on your last performance which Wenger cant while Gallas is captain.

    Strip him for it and make him earn his place as an Arsenal player. Denilson does it every week, so does Walcott, Clichy etc… now its his turn.

    Dont care who else is made captain, just want them to show us some passion, commitment and drive to lead Arsenal forward.

  34. http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/breves2008/20081121_083308_les-revelations-de-gallas.html

    according to l`equipe gallas had a bust-up with nasri

  35. All the players around Gallas have lost form: Cesc, Toure, (Senderos), now Clichy.

    He is poisonous. He only looks like a good defender because he plays selfishly. He doesn’t play like he’s in a team, helping out the other players around him. Toxic.

  36. My team for Saturday:

    ————Almunia————–
    Hoyte Djourou Silvestre Clichy
    —Ramsey–Song–Denilson—
    RvP————————–Nasri
    —————ADE—————-

    With Song sitting in midfield Ramsey and Denilson can roam forward which they both prefer to do. Djourou’s height and strength as well as Song will help us severely from set pieces. RVP should be played in an attacking 3 on the right like for Holland if we dont play 4-4-2.

    This formation and players have not as much speed as the likes of Theo.. Vela etc, but will allow more to support to Adebayor.

    Expect us to win this comfortably for some reason, and a change of captain to spark our season.

  37. Chris,
    I am not interested in weither you agree with me or not; it doesn’t bather me at all.
    My concern here is the team AW set out to win the next game. On this one, he(AW) is not doing well at the moment. He is the one to criticise.

  38. lc

    Have you ever considered the team not to be doing well because we are lacking something??? Wenger has tried several teams this year, and they are all flawed. What does that tell you, i really cannot care if it dont bother you but pointing figures instead resloving a problem dont help.. It is just childish on your part, just as it has been on Gallas’s part pointing at his team mates to deflect criticism. You have your right to criticise Wenger, i do it all the time, but the teams he has put out have more than enough qualityto be doing better than they have been.

    There are no excuses here

  39. chris

    I agree with you. There are no excuses for displays like Stoke, Hull, Fulham and Villa none whatsoever.

    All those people slagging off Gallas fail to see that he actually makes some valid points, especially about the lack of fight.

  40. I hope this is a case of Gallas administering the kick up the backside that Wenger is incapable of. Regardless of whether you think he was right in doing it publicly at least he has the attention of everyone now. Some teams respond to adversity well, some don’t. The next few games will make it clear what sort of team Arsenal has this season. Yes, Gallas is a twat for a lot of his behaviour, but at least he is not afraid to speak his mind rather than Wenger. All Wenger does is say this team is great and he is excited and they are pulling together and things will be better soon blah, blah, blah. Everyone knows this is utter tripe and more of Wenger’s myopia. Sometimes players need to be publicly called out in order to sharpen their focus. By calling out his team Gallas is essentially saying “put up or shut up.” Now there can be no more excuses. The rubicon has been crossed. Either this team pulls its socks up or finishes mid-table. I, for one, am glad that this point has been reached. Strip Gallas of the captaincy, he has fallen on his sword and he deserves it. But don’t ever say that he doesn’t care.

    Gallas might not be good enough for his own role in the team but at least his public comments show he cares how the team performs. All you hear from everyone else is the “party” line.

  41. Our worst captain ever. I do not think anybody will top his performance. Lacking in spirit but not lacking in blabber. He just undermine the entire team. Imagime the suspission caused on who were fighting etc etc. He should now show that he has gall by resigning his captaincy. What an idiot….Moron. Covering his weakness by blaming others. Totally unacceptable. GET LOST>

  42. lc

    If you re-read the piece, you will see that I said:

    Infuriatingly, Gallas‘ comments are not out of line when he talks of the team’s performance

    The ‘infuriating’ aspect is that he was right about performance and character building. He let his mouth get into overdrive and his brain into reverse. Being captain carries responsibilities beyond the pitch and Gallas demonstrates why he is not the right choice to lead the team.

    >RVP as a bad example of a kind of players who will never make Arsenal win anything anytime. Here is a player for the last four years, when he is not on hospital bed, he is suspended for three matches banned, managing only about 10 to 13 goals per season as a striker

    RvP’s strike rate is 7 in 15 this season, bettered only by Adebayor’s 9 in 17. Name another striker at the club who is capable of that strike-rate. He is not without his faults and is chastised when wrong. To blame him for the club not winning anything is blinkered to the faults that currently beset the squad beyond belief.

    >I whish Yogi will focus more on AW , and not Willy!

    The blog is about Arsenal, not one individual no matter how intertwined they may be.

    >I have become increasingly tired of you following too much the head line.

    In what respect? Giving opinions of the news is what a blog is about. It is a place where anyone can have an opinion on events surrounding the club.

    YW

  43. We need to know the full story first. Meanwhile, it’s best to remain cool.

    If true, then there is no way back for WG. If not, then bare the facts, clear the air so that the team can get on with the game.

  44. With blogs all over adding fuel to fire, on the facts can put it out and clear the air, one way or another.

  45. Is it true that WG has resigned from his captaincy?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot…al/7741430.stm

  46. testing testing testing
    1-2-3

  47. Guys..

    There are reports coming in that gallas has quit as captain.

    Anyone got info?

  48. Naga,

    It said so on Myles Palmer’s site, which means we can’t infer anything just yet!

  49. This time I think Frank summed it all up nicely. Gallas has to go and as soon as possible.

    Yes, he has said what many of us believe about the lack of fight but he should never criticise our club in public. No class, no notion of leadership, no loyalty, no idea.

    This does not mean that he does not make some good points or that Wenger should, privately at least, acknowledge his part in all this. I think he knows that the whole gallas adventure has been a big mistake.

    For those who believe he should play as first choice at least until the summer, I say no. There is something wrong in the dressing room. I think it may be Gallas. It doesn’t matter. He should go. Some bloodletting is necessary and frankly, he has put himslf on the chopping block. In what could be Arsen’e words “…pour encourager les autres.”

    Is there any other Arsenal player any of you would chose to let go rather than the Gallas? Not me.

  50. Chis,
    I am quite prepared to debate about the current team fortune if you are truly interested rather than pointing fingers on someone, just because it happened to be named captain. A captain can help motivate a team and win a couple of winable games; but i don’t belive that motivation alone can help a team, other wise Aston Villa would have been champion every season.
    We are talking here about Arsenal wining the Premiership including CL, I don’t think so.
    I have been crying the last three years that since Viera had left Arsenal, AW has been buying the wrong players for the EPL challenge.
    The Bookies including Sky Sports pundits have predicted Arsenal to just finish inside the top four, the best we could afford. And they have been proven right for the last three or four years on that.
    But, what did AW do about it? Absolutely nothing. He kept buying lightweight players who often get injured as the result of trying too hard.

  51. Sorry about that – bloody comments submission fell over 3 times.

    1. The content of Gallas’ comments is correct. Going public like this undermines the team and his captaincy and solves nothing. He should do the right thing and resign. His position is now untenable.

    2. You may well think AW’s public comments anodyne, but I think he always publicly supports the team and individual players and has his hissy fits behind closed doors. Previous players have commented on his temper and it’s impossible to imagine anyone as passionate as him about his job not having a temper. This is why I expect his public comments about this incident to be supportive of Gallas – unfortunately. The AFC website is still ignoring it, maybe hoping it will go away.

    3. Cesc has also always been quick to publicly support Arsenal, his manager, his teammates and confirm his own place there. He has shown he has the best interests of the club at heart and, his current form not withstanding, should be given the captaincy. He has shown he is mature enough. Form returns. I think he’s either tired or depressed by the rifts in the squad or both.

  52. Gallas may have some valid points but coming out in the press with these comments is simply unprofessional. These are issues you discuss at team meetings. This will do nothing to improve the team spirit. He is too volatile to be captain. Unfortunately we don’t have any leaders in our team at the moment. Cesc may be a good choice but based on this current form, I wouldn’t even pick him in the starting XI. Actually I would send him away for a couple of weeks so he can go home, get some good rest, eat home made tapas and come back fresh. He just looks too tired and unmotivated out there. Contrary to what Terry and Benitez have said, we’d have to defy all odds to win the league this year. So maybe it’s not such a bad idea to focus on winning the CL or the FA cup.

    As far as some people suggesting Clichy as captain – I can’t say I agree. He is the kind of player you give you a great game for 89 mins but then he’s gonna have one fuck up that’s gonna end up costing us the game. And when Clichy fucks up, it’s always a bad fuck up. It’s happened time and time again – vs. Manu at home last year when he failed to mark Ronaldo, vs. Birmingham when he gave up the penalty, vs. Tottenham this year when he lost the ball – and that’s just three examples i came up with off the top of my head. So unless he can show that he can keep his focus for the full 90 mins, I wouldn’t make him my captain. but then again – who knows? maybe that’s just what he needs to be a complete player (oh that and learning to put a decent cross in the box).

  53. RVP is an annoying twatt, that is official. Wenger is afraid to criticize him because he doesn’t have the funds to replace him, his ill disciplined self centered petulance in the Stoke game went without criticism from Wenger

    well lets face it letting Helb and Flamini go was a statement of intent, why are we surprised we are loosing games and arguing amongst ourselves, Can’t recall any of our rivals having key members of their squads leave…Walcott isn’t half the player Helb was

  54. I’m behind AW for what he has done for our great club BUT FOR VARIOUS REASONS HE IS TO BLAME for the current situation. Here are some of those reasons .. ..

    1. The undignified way in which he overlooked Gilberto for the OBVIOUS CHOICE captain. Can ANYONE tell me what Gilberto had done to be treated like a piece of shit?

    2. The fact that Gallas should have been stripped of the captaincy for his childlike display at Brum. That is UNACCEPTABLE behaviour for an Arsenal captain.

    3. The AW spin machine now seems to make Alastair Campbell and New Labour look honest and trustworthy.

    4. Gallas can’t cope – he is essentially too immature, but AW WILL defend him AND keep him in the armband.

    5. In the unlikely event that Gallas is sacked as captain don’t expect a sensible replacement, we will get Almunia. Nice bloke and all that but not the long or even short term answer, just a cop out.

    6. I really hope not and God forbid – But is AW turning into the Maggie Thatcher of Arsenal?

    7. Even a ‘God’ like AW needs some control, the board are to blame here though, he has NO pressure to achieve, a guarantee of a lifelong job and it seems even the appointment of our new CEO is totally AW’s final say.

    TO MUCH POWER CORRUPTS (By the way I idolise AW but .. .. ..?)

  55. Delboy :”Even a ‘God’ like AW needs some control, the board are to blame here though, he has NO pressure to achieve…”
    You have clearly seriously misjudged the man in my opinion if you think that he needs outside pressure to achieve. He eats, drinks and sleeps AFC. Whatever I may think of some of his team selections, I would never question his commitment to the club.

  56. lc,

    I think you’re missing the reason for everyone’s displeasure today. Personally speaking, I’m not pinning all the blame for our poor performances this season on Gallas. I think he is a factor, but that’s beside the point.

    I believe people are angry because an Arsenal captain has undermined the team by publicly mouthing off about internal problems, has cast doubt on his own future at the club and sought to deflect blame for our recent troubles onto his teammates. He did all that in just one interview! Quite some achievement when you think about it.

    The current form of the side is actually secondary to this Gallas debacle right now.

  57. The RvP issue is becoming interesting after his public spat with Wes Snejder, and his frequent petulant on-field acts. I’m in no doubt about his ability – it’s his stability I’m beginning to question. The sooner Eduardo gets back the better.

  58. Yogi,
    stop talking about RVP stike rate when he can’t even manage to play 20 games per season for the last three years.

  59. Simon, “Wenger is afraid to criticize him because he doesn’t have the funds to replace him…”

    Actually if he sold him he would have the funds wouldn’t he?.

    RVP happens to be our most talented individual.

  60. I agree AIC, that Gallas has mades some valid points but he is the biggest culprit – how can such a seasoned defender get beat and outmuscled to the ball time and time again – he is not leading by example so he has no right to complain.

    Ic – you say its about the team, very true but remember the whole is the same of all its parts “a chain is as strong as its weakest link” , if you get me.

    I would hate to have to walk around hearing my private business in the public, taken to the public from someone in my own home. Who the hell is the media to tell this to anyway and how will it help.

    Its it unfair to the team to excuse his actions because you deem what he said to have some truth, so what? I will not demonize him but he is acting like a spoilt brat that cant get his way, its not right, no matter how you cut it. The sooner you find cancer and take care of it the better, even though you will have some effects from the necessary procedures, it will hopefully bring health.

    A captian should go down with the ship and not bail out when he has been more than culpable for the ship crashing into a rock.

    Just not cool!

    I wish the best for Gallas but for the teams sake, something must be done.

    God Bless!!

  61. lc

    I’ll stop if you stop crass generalisations…

    ;-)

    YW

  62. I really hate posts like DelBoy’s last one, pointing out all of Wenger’s ‘mistakes’. The boss has to make lots and lots of important decisions and of course he will get some of them wrong. So bringing up some of the wrong decisions (or wrong in your opinion — we don’t know the alternative) is a rather pointless activity. An alternative is a coach who sticks with conventional wisdom and fails — but then we all say “he did what he could.” Because Wenger does things his own way it is easy to criticize and blame him when things don’t work out. Of course, to incredible degree they have worked out. Anyhow, I would suggest that is not ‘corruption’ but simply that Wenger lacks a strong foil who can see things differently and challenge his views. Quiroz did that for Ferguson and Wenger would do well to find himself an understudy of similar stature. Perhaps one with more tactical sense so that Wenger can focus on what he really loves — player development and instilling his distinctive philosophy on the team. I doubt it will happen. It’s just not how he has worked to now.

    Similarly earlier criticism of Clichy as an inconsistent and error-prone player are off the mark. He does make mistakes and will improve with time, but some of those mistakes are only made because he is ubiquitous on the pitch. He cannot score that own-goal against Villa if he hasn’t run back to cover the striker. But there he is.

    Finally, the comments that the midfield is ‘disorganized’ on defense and thus poor at closing down opposition attacks strikes me as basically true. I never make it to games and that is something that is relatively hard to see on TV, where one cannot see the whole field as a play develops. However, it would suggest that one of the problems is simply too many ‘new’ players coming into the first team at once. Denilson has been used sparingly in the past and is being asked to play in a new way, Nasri is new, while Theo is relatively inexperienced as well and is more of a striker than a midfielder. He is better going forward than he is either defending or holding the ball.

  63. I said I’d never post here again but after having read Yogi’s post and some of the comments I wanted to provide some context re Gallas’ interview, and some opinion. Yes, this will be predictably long, it will take two posts, so scroll right down to the next post and ignore me if you don’t want to read them. I promise ‘ll go away again.

    The context of Gallas’ interview was this week’s France v. Uruguay friendly and the publication of his biography to be released today. He was asked about his role at Arsenal and the national team. One of the biggest talking points in France about the NT is the well-known tensions between older and younger players. He was asked about the well known Benzema-Thuram bust-up at the Euros, incidents involving Ben Arfa and Nasri with older players. Nasri and Henry were not speaking for a while. Neither was Gallas and Nasri for a time. However, Gallas emphasized that such tensions exist in every club and national team, and they can be resolved. It is already known, for example, and Gallas confirmed it, that most of those NT tensions have been resolved. Gallas and Nasri reached an understanding some time ago with Nasri admitting he was wrong.

    Gallas then used this to launch a general critique about today’s young players, how their attitude is very different from they were in his day. His experience in the NT and at Arsenal have caused him to see many young players as arrogant, complacent, not willing to fight, comfortable with their high wages even when they haven’t won anything. Worse, they do not respect the authority of senior players. (Fans at the Spurs game saw this when Song refused to follow Kolo’s orders at a free kick, turning his back on him).

    Gallas explains how shocking this has been for him to witness: “Youth of 20 years, they have everything for them. I am surprised by some of their reactions. Their way of responding by example. In my time it was different.”

    He then goes on to make the well-publicized comments about Arsenal. Philippe Auclair also spoke to Gallas, and he has reported that the player who insulted Gallas and other teammates at half time during the Spurs game was RVP (this wouldn’t be the first time RVP has done this kind of thing, ask Feyenoord fans). Auclair is a well-known French sports journalist who writes about English football and who is an admitted gooner, and great admirer of AW’s.

    While Gallas’ comments about Arsenal’s young players are correct, I agree it was wrong of him to air all of this in public. He seems extraordinarily naive to think there would be no fallout from his comments. Reports in France claim that AW intervened yesterday against Gallas going further with any more planned interviews there about his biography, and told him to come back home. Gallas canceled all of his scheduled interviews in France.

    Naturally, this is the last thing we and Le Boss need right now.

  64. Consolsbob – agreed about RvP’s talent – but have you never wondered if he has a bit of a screw loose?

  65. Just some points:

    One of our great captains now regarded as flawless once got drunk and drove his car into someone’s yard, causing serious damage. He did that in a very crucial time during the season, when the team needed him badly. So Gallas is not the only irresponsible captain we’ve ever had. Also, he’s not the only captain to have tensions with teammates. Just as one example, there was the famous Vieira-Lauren bust-up.

    The incredibly hysterical reaction to Birmingham: Every gooner who actually went to that game–the ones I know personally or whose posts I’ve seen on various blogs–all say that neither set of fans thought very much of Gallas’ actions at all. No one talked about it on the way home because no one thought it was a big deal. Only when they arrived home did they see that the media had blown it all out of proportion. The fact is that the people who were at the game and saw Gallas’ reaction live, close up, did not fixate on it, did not consider it even worth noting. So anyone who constantly inflates that incident beyond all proportion has been totally brainwashed by the media’s obsession over it.

    The thing that sticks out for me the most about Gallas as Arsenal captain is that, unlike his predecessors, Gallas has no one on the pitch to help him. There are no experienced lieutenants to assist Gallas in guiding the young players. Adams had Bould, Dixon, Winterbourn and the calming influence of Paul Davis. Vieira had Lauren, Bergkamp, Campbell, Pires, Henry. Gallas has no one. I don’t see Kolo helping him much.

    This is the wrong blog to say this but I really don’t care. For me the blame rests entirely on AW. He’s built this young, inexperienced team and shorn it of older, experienced players. Cesc learned alongside Vieira, Pires, Henry, etc. These other kids are not learning alongside veterans like that. There’s only Kolo. So AW gave the captaincy to Gallas — a totally new player with no Arsenal pedigree at all, while Gilberto and Kolo are right there. Gallas had never been a captain, he had to learn on the job.

    AW handed the captaincy to a player who’s totally new to the club and never had been captain before. Such a player was given the responsibility of leading a team of young kids all by himself.

    Added to that is the thing that Gallas is entirely right about: these young players do not respect authority of older players; they do not have the fighting, winning mentality to win games; they’re arrogant well-paid kids with no experience of learning alongside strong, commanding personalities like Adams, Lauren and Vieira–players who commanded authority and who’d never tolerate the kind of insubordination and disrespect these kids direct at Gallas. Gallas does not command authority.

    It’s been a very poor decision all-round on AW’s part, very few players could win in such a situation. You need a very special character to lead all by yourself an arrogant, erratic bunch of talented kids like this. Who in the world could do the job?

    Even if you take the armband away from Gallas, who in the squad is up to the job? I hear a lot of names bandied about but I don’t see anyone who’s strong enough to command authority and respect of his teammates.

    I still hope (no, I expect) that all this will ultimately BENEFIT the team and our season. I really do think we gooners we’ll be happier come May of 2009 than right now. AW’s the man who created this team, he’s the one to fix it.

  66. as much as i hate gallas he does have a point when he says teams are not scared to play us now and it is becoming a problem.

    look at chelsea and man utd last weekend. west brom and stoke were already beaten before they walked on the pitch and hence they put in two of the worst performances your ever likely to see.

    There was a time when this used to happen to teams when arsenal were in town but it is clearly not the case these days. teams up there game against us coz they sence victory!!

    We have lost our reputation!!! or gained a new one as a big team on the ropes!

  67. NYMARCUS!

    Welcome back.

    I have a feeling that with recent developments, there will be a lot of serious matters to talk about in the near future.

    Your balanced views are much appreciated by many here. It would be great to discuss the issues about our club with you and a few others.

    Keep the posts coming mate!

    Cheers!!

  68. Welcome back NYmarcus – you were missed!

  69. yeah welcome back new york marcus my IQ levels were dropping!!

  70. I think that Gallas should be sold in the transfer window – I just cant see how it will work in the locker room, how weird would that be. Its one thing when the fans dont like you but when the team is not in your corner it cant work “a house divided amongst itself cannot stand”.He needs to go back home and end his career somewhere he is comfortable and doesnt have to be a leader.

    I feel bad about this!

  71. Hear hear NYMarcus…this blog has missed you!

  72. Good to see you here NY Marcus.

    Wenger probably thought he was making a logical but unpopular choice by making Gallas captain ahead of insiders like Kolo and Gilberto.

    His calculations that Gallas would galvanise this young team and make them ‘winners’ have gone awry but it would be pertinent for him to analyse how much of that it because of Gallas’s inability to inspire and how much due to the young team’s insubordination.

    Guess some of both these factors may be responsible.

  73. NY Marcus you assume that what Gallas says about young players is completely true. But respect is a two-way thing and has to be earned. You are also labelling the whole team as arrogant? There are some egos and personalities amongst the group no doubt, but I think it’s going a bit far to tar everybody with the same brush.

    With the benefit of hindsight we can say that AW made a mistake by making Gallas captain, but he had good reasons at the time and has tried to back him hoping he would grow into the role. All this week has done is to show that he does not have what it takes to lead a team.

    As for comments about the players salaries, Arsenal have to pay them what they could earn elsewhere in order to remain competitive. There were enough people on here suggesting that we should have paid Flamini whatever he wanted in order to stop him leaving in the summer.

  74. NYm – some good points, but I think what the fans at the Brum game thought is now pretty irrelevant.
    The fact is that before his latest outburst he appeared to command little respect within the squad, his reaction at Brum was probaly part of that, and now I imagine it will be absolutely zilch. And a captain without respect and authority is no longer a captain, except in title.
    Let’s hope he doesn’t start scoring o.g.’s!

  75. NY,

    The blog’s better for your contribution.

    I have to say you paint a slightly negative picture of our team when Gallas assumed leadership. They weren’t exactly young kids last season. Front to back, all our first-team choices, with the exception of cesc, were well into their twenties.

    In football terms, that’s not young at all.

    I think there are captaincy candidates amongst the younger generation of players at the club. A good captain isn’t necessarily an experienced player. Adams was very young when he got the role. Now, I accept he may have had experience heads around him back then – O’leary etc.

    However, if the player chosen as our next captain is already a respected figure at the club, which we have to assume Gallas wasn’t, then it should be likely that this current perceived insubordination will be brought to an end.

    Just my rushed out thoughts.

  76. Correction: Adams was very young to be chosen as *captain*.

    Otherwise it looks like I’m contradicting myself!

  77. NYMarcus, everyone has disagreements true but did they come out publicly. He must be wise in his words as look what it has caused. Not only that, did these other captains have the support of the players and does Gallas? its much more than people having issues but it is about facing up to them.

    I also disagree with you regarding the team, because the team is experienced, we only lost two players and we were in 4 points if the title.

    Gallas is the captian and should step up to the plate regardless of having help. What does he need help from Toure for when he doesnt lead the players himself? Where is the example of him instructing the team against the Spurs, Villa.

    Its ok to defend a player but he has not been an example of his expectations of others. Which makes him an invalid candidate to speak to some degree.

    I disagree with you arguments but I do hope you stick around.

  78. Is nymarcus a doom and gloom merchant?

    t t t t

  79. DKgooner, I am certain RVP does have a screw or two loose. He does have history after all. He is still worth a few bob in the market and I want to keep him. I think for him it is payback time.

    More pertinent to this debate and with a deep bow to our friend NY Marcus who makes excellent points, does not William Gallas rattle a bit if shaken?

    The difference is, he is captain. RVP is just another rebel.

  80. One more thing NY, how do you know they are arrogant? Are you talking about the same players who constantly came out in his defence as far as the captiancy? I think both you and Gallas should look at some of the archived articles and see.

    As far as the Birmingham match, you never really think about things in the heat of the battle but after the dust clears it is natural to go over the situation in more depth.

    Just as many fans thought he acted immaturely, I am quite sure some of the players may have thought so. It doesnt have to all be media driven as if people dont have a mind of their own.

    God Bless!!!

  81. Just a thought about Brum and Clichy. I keep reading about Gael’s “mistake”. There’s no doubt he dithered a bit on the ball but then played the ball, not the man. I recall the slow-mo’s revealing that the mistake was the ref’s in awarding the penalty.
    So can we now stop giving Clichy a hard time about this?
    His Spurs dithering – now that’s another matter ……
    :-)

  82. NY – Great post – I agree with pretty much all of it.
    I especially agree with the post brummie game – i was there too & I remember thinking ‘i know exactly how you feel mate’… got home & couldn’t believe all the coverage.
    Arsene talks about age & experience not having a direct link to consistency but it’s all so circurmstanstial… that said, there is absolutely no denying that sometimes there is no substitute for experience… and it could be argued that Flamini & Hleb were experienced players, losing the pair along with Gilberto has really rocked the boat, sometimes it takes more than just the captain to steady the ship…

  83. Team for Man City anyone? Touré, Eboué, Sagna, Walcott all injured; Cesc suspended; Vela doubtful because of jet-lag?. RvP is back. Time for Djourou to step in but where? Ramsey must surely get the nod. What I expect from AW (not what I want to see):

    Almunia
    Djourou Gallas Silvestre Clichy
    Nasri Denilson Song Diaby
    van Persie Adebayor

  84. I watched the Brum game on an Internet stream with either Chinese or Romanian commentary (don’t ask!) and I remember thinking, “What the fuck are you playing at, man!”
    I understood his feelings but I was dumbstruck at his behaviour.
    We’re all different. Just wanted to say it’s not just because of the media.

  85. [...] Gallas has gone too far. (Arseblog)  He must be stripped of his captaincy. (A Cultured Left Foot)  Who is the real cancer in the dressing room? (The Other [...]

  86. Yesterday I was totally furious at Gallas’s lack of maturity and his childish moaning. Having calmed down I have decided that this is a tricky one. Stripping Gallas of his capataincy can have far reaching consequences than we can apprehend. For instance, sure he came out in public about something that he shouldn’t have. But what if he had support amongst the players in the dressing room against that one 25 year old player. It’s really difficult to judge whats going on behind close doors. If he is stripped, how will that effect his performance? Will he stay for the rest of the season? How will other players respond to this situation? Sure he shouldn’t have come out in public, and if evidence( which we don’t have) is against him, than Wenger should rightly dismiss him as captain.

    However we can’t forget that if there is one man that has more maturity than Gallas, it is Arsene. Maybe he would bottle this up, and let Gallas’s behavior slip. That would depend on what number of strikes(warnings) Gallas is on at the moment. And if issues are resolved in the dressing room. I won’t be surprised though if AW let this one slide as well, and keeps Gallas as captain.

    ( Toure is injured, won’t be playing. That means our squad is Gallas, Silvestre, Djourou, Clichy and maybe Eboue. If eboue is unfit, than Gallas will surely be played. So benching him might not be possible at the moment. This one is really tricky.)

  87. Rev – its not the point. So because you dont have help you shouldnt do your job properly? and why be public?

    for the record Flam was more of a leader last year than Gallas, wasnt he? and Gallas still made mistakes with him and Gilberto in the team. So you are actually making a good case that Gallas is not a good captian.

    One more time – how can you cry and complain if you are not doing what you are asking others to do?

    Its just makes no sense to defend this bull and lay the blame on the team and AW (yes, maybe for making him captian) for Gallas’ mistakes.

    Because of the problems the team is having we are justifying what has taken place, If Gallas could not/cant handle the Captiancy, he should just give it up and stop crying all the damn time.

    Henry was miserable, yes, but did he come out and dis the team? Did he not have a lot of youth, even more inexperienced than now to work with?

    Stop making excuses for a wrong movem, please!

  88. Ateeb, something is wrong and it needs to be dealt with.

  89. Paul, on principle alone, Gallas should be stripped of his captaincy. But Wenger would have to analyze what’s better for the team. And we don’t know th exact information of the incident and what is going on behind the dressing room. Judging from whatever information we have, Gallas should be stripped, but maybe the people who are going to make that decision have more information and might think otherwise.

  90. Paul N – it is the point… the problem doesn’t lay at one man’s feet… and even if it did it would fall at AW’s & not Bill’s…

  91. Good points Ateeb – what would be ideal and what would be pragmatic are often two different things. Arsene may well want to replace him as captain, but he might have no choice due to circumstances beyond his control.

    As for other leaders we do have the captain of the Czech Republic and the former captain of Dynamo Zagreb in our squad. It’s just unfortunate that they’ve both been injured long-term. A fully fit Rosicky would be a good option as captain of this football team IMO

  92. Passenal, it’s unfortunate that when we’re thinking up possible candidates for captaincy, we overlook Rosicky. Obviously because of his injury issues. But IMO, there isn’t a better player than Rosicky to be handed over the captaincy. He would make a great captain. Let’s hope he returns soon, and remains fit. Next season I would love to see him made the captain.

  93. According to Arseblog and Gunnerblog – Gallas is out

  94. The point is Rev that you said we need more than one leader and I am saying that when he had more than one leader last year he started to come unglued, so how is that a defence?

    The fact is that he took the responsilbilty and he must lead by example in word and deed. So dont always run crying to the media and saying we need to play hard when you are playing the softest. If Clicy would have made the same comments it would not be as bad as he plays like a lion in every match but not someone wo lets primary school boyz push him out the way.

  95. Ateeb, you dont think he waould have said something if it was wrong?

  96. Welcome back NYmarcus, I assume since you posted today that you still have some ties and love for this blog.

    I personally know that this is still the best blog for debate and valid views.
    ===

    Glad to see you back, but I will have to disagree on generalizing the team as arrogant, it’s the same false accusation leveled at Ade for scoring 30 goals last season.

    I was one of the people who thought nothing of Gallas tantrum at Birmingham last season, but come to think of it, if instead of setting on the field surrendering & shamelessly defeated as he did, is no inspiration for a young team who just saw one of their teammate’s leg broken in half, and lost two points by a 50-50 stupid referee decision. If he stood up tall after the game, shock his players hands, wrapped his arm around them and said we have to stand up from this fall and keep going…we may have won the title.

    Having said that, Gallas is human and he will make mistakes just like any one else. You just expect a different type of character from your Captain, your Leader…..If you lose your respect for your leader, you will not accomplish much, and the examples are so many around the world…not just in football.
    ===

    Although I blame Arsene partially for this Captaincy debacles, I think he had little choice. People were saying two years ago that Arsenal lack experience and Gallas supposedly had lots of it…I think he had experience in playing but not in leading. I personally feel Toure (even though so quiet) would have been a lot more respected by those same young players, and I still think they would respect him more if he became the Captain.
    ===

    There is nothing wrong with the team technically, but we need the spiritual change…..

    G4E

  97. Rumours bloody rumours.
    Let’s wait until the words come out of Wenger’s mouth or on the AFC website.

  98. dk, do you think Wenger will adress this publicy. He will not throw his players under the bus, even “if” it is true.

    He said something, thats for sure!

  99. G4E, I agree – Leaders are important and the problem is of a spiritual nature.

    I dont know if we remember when the players commented about that Birmingham situation but they all said that he (Gallas) knows that he made a mistake. That means that is how they viewed it – it has nothing to do with the media. Give them a little credit for for being able to make up their minds about a situation.

    I supported Gallas after that understanding it was very emotional but it was still the wrong reaction.

  100. It seems Myles Palmer is the one leading the rumours. Better to wait untill something official comes up.

    http://www.arsenalnewsreview.co.uk/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01articleid=1127&cntnt01origid=30&cntnt01returnid=42

  101. I agree with NYMarcus that the importance of the Birmingham incident has been greatly exaggerated. I don’t believe, however, that this exaggeration is created by the media, as they just say what they think their audience wants to hear. One needs a strong backbone to resist the combination of the media and the mob, and very few people have one.

    I don’t consider Arsenal to be an arrogant team. Clichy, Sagna, Toure, Walcott, Denilson – these are not arrogant men. One might point at some of the strikers, but I think a degree of arrogance goes with the job. I wouldn’t say they are more arrogant than strikers at other teams.

  102. “I wouldn’t say they are more arrogant than strikers at other teams.”

    Poliziano, that’s probably true – CRonaldo is currently being given a going over by some of the Brazilian team who recently faced him in that (less than) friendly game.

  103. Nobody at Arsenal is as arrogant as the lesser Ronaldo.

  104. Poliziano, many of the players said he made a mistake – who knows how they truly feel? they have been very honorable towards Gallas and have not dissed him at all – which agrees with your statement that they are not arrogant.

    I just dont think he commands respect anymore, its hard to get it back once its gone. Its his own doing.

    The funny thing is he talks to the media a lot and when he’s on the field you dont see him saying jack!

  105. Exclusive – Hoyte Replaces Gallas In Arsenal Starting XI•November 21, 2008 • No Comments
    Arsenal Reserve team captain Gavin Hoyte will make his Premiership debut tomorrow afternoon, as Arsene Wenger takes his out of form outfit to Manchester City.

    The news comes after captain William Gallas was reportedly stipped of the armband following his arrival from International duty with France. Fellow Reserve team players Henri Lansbury and Jay Simpson will take up places on the bench, as injuries take hold.

    courtesy of young guns

  106. Poliziano & Passenal agreed, no more arrogance than any other strikers in the league. It’s been always like this in football, the strikers get a lot more credit for scoring the goals even though the team as a whole have to work hard to give them the chances to score.

    Strikers need that little bit of extra confidence that can be mistaken for arrogance….but I think if I score 30 goals in a season, I would be bragging at least a little.
    ===

    I think this has to be internally nipped in the butt and quickly, I’m not asking for Gallas’ head and I don’t think Wenger will axe him. I just think we need to smacked down quickly, because we have an important game coming soon and another loss will not make things any better…..

  107. There’s no butt nipping at Arsenal.

  108. Looks like Gallas has got his just desserts and has lost the armband. The guy has been an absolute disgrace as captain – time for the team to re-form around a new leader (Clichy anyone?).

    I hope Gallas is flogged in the Jan window. Good riddance

  109. Well Poliziano, the news are gathering pace about Gallas being axed at least for the City game….if this is true, that would be a quick nip that I haven’t even think it’s possible.

  110. I’d rather have my butt nipped than be axed.

  111. dkgooner.
    I have not questioned AW’s ‘commitment’ to Arsenal. I have merely pointed out some facts.

    California Gooner.
    You might hate posts like mine but then I am right. I am an Arsenal supporter and an AW fan – not an ‘AW supporter’ It does not make me a traitor to point out some of AW’s obvious faults/weaknesses. You actually point out the ‘Right Hand Man’ syndrome. At Arsenal. Pat Rice is AW’s RHM because he keeps his gob shut.

    All this does not make me not love Arsene and appreciate how much he has done for us but we should feel free to speak out on things without fear of retribution from the AW Mafia who seem to think we should all sit in awe and not have an opinion about our club.

  112. Maybe Arsene will rotate the armband and wait to see if a natural leader emerges?

  113. You can get in a lot of trouble these days for nipping a butt. Sexual assault. I heard of a five-year-old boy getting prosecuted for slapping a girls butt, and I should think that a nip is worse than a slap.

  114. Are we still speaking metaphorically Poliziano?

  115. “Maybe Arsene will rotate the armband and wait to see if a natural leader emerges?”

    Sounds rather superstitious. Like rubbing the magic lantern?

  116. NY Marcus,

    I much appreciate the balance that you have brought to this hysteria. Sadly, WG will not travel or captain at the City match tomorrow. Let’s see how it plays out and hope well

  117. Sorry, G4E. I’m being pedantic. I think the phrase you were looking for is “nipped in the bud.”

    Sorry.

  118. Not really Poliziano – there are potential candidates, but if someone can rise to the occasion and pull the team out of their current funk, they would be in a good position to take the job on longer-term.

  119. I agree with Passenal

    NYMarcus …you made up most of that post as you often do..

    Although my favorite player in the squad and the only player in the first team with an absolutely unconditional commitment to the club…I do not think the reference was to RvP…I did originally…in fact I hoped it was…but I don’t think so…and you made that up NYMarcus…you just made it up….

    Btw way for the RvP detractors…did you see the hug and the laughing and joking between Wesley Snjeider and RvP after RvPs second goal.

    We are going to use this to grow…..

    Gallas must go…becuase he is not Arsenal…but we are….we are Arsenal……we are slick we are cool we are Arsenal and we rule …lalalalaaah…lalalaaaah…lalaaah

    Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal….Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenaaa all…Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal….Arsenal…ARSENAL

  120. hahaha Poliziano….Kicked in the butt and nipped in the bud…you got the idea :)

    Thanks for the clarification though.

  121. Sorry Passenal. I was just being silly. As if Wenger would actually rotate the armband in his hands, and wait for a leader to emerge from it.

  122. pheeep pheeep pheeep…..pheeep pheep pheeep

  123. I have a question, if the story isnt true then why would Gallas have the Captaincy taken?

    Is Wenger that unjust? I dont think so.

    Obviously there is some merit to what he is being accused of.

    he is not to be condemned though, I actually feel very sorry about this situation, unfortunate.

  124. Frank,

    I think Whistle Support has the superior fit Armenian Arse Whistle.

    You may be in trouble if they get on the market!!

  125. “Sorry Passenal. I was just being silly. As if Wenger would actually rotate the armband in his hands, and wait for a leader to emerge from it.”

    Sorry Poliziano, I didn’t realise my post would have you thinking in that way – I thought you were totally dissing my idea!

    Frank, I’m starting to wonder if it was Ade, as he is also allegedly being ‘rested’ tomorrow. Not that it really matters who. I also agree that RVP is one of the AFC players who is most committed to the cause. He just needs to channel his frustrations better. Although maybe that is a Dutch thing because I seem to recall even the great DB having a few red-mist moments in his career!

  126. Frank – thx for that piece of info about Snejder and RvP kissing and hugging. Good to hear they’ve sorted it out. Just a storm in a teacup then.
    As for arrogant bastards, I can almost guarantee that Bendtner belongs in that category, judging from his body language at times on Wednesday evening towards his Danish teammates. I still don’t get the impression that the Arsenal squad have changed their attitude towards him either. He seems OK with the CC squad but not with the seniors.

  127. Dear Mr. Flint, we work in tandem with Mr. Frank as we have a contract.

    As you can see from yesterday’s post, Mr. Frank used the same kind of whistle in support of an Arsenal new chant “We want change”.

  128. Henry on Gerard…

    “He is an inspiration,” Henry continued. “He reminds me of Patrick Vieira in that he doesn’t talk too much. He just does what he does. He inspires Liverpool without talking. I find it a disgrace that he didn’t win European Football of the Year in 2005 after Istanbul. For me, he is one of the best ever.”

    Guess a captain doesnt need to be vocal as long as he can come up with inspirational performances…

  129. Hi – just wondering what other fans think…

    As it stands, and assuming it’s true, I completely agree that Gallas has been demoted and left out the squad completely.

    My own view going forward is that he should never play for the club again and leave in January UNLESS he apologises and that apology is reflected in his commitment to the team (i.e. head down, playing for the TEAM and keeping things to himself, not with the media!)

    I would guess this won’t happen but what do other people think? Would an apology be enough?

  130. Well if what we are hearing is true, Cesc has to be the man.

    Although struggling for his true form, he runs the team, has an excellent attitude & appears to be popular.

    I would also throw another idea in the air. Send Gallas to Milan, get back Swiss T, install him & Djourou as the cb partnership from January & the remainder of the season.

    I am convinced Djourou will be a thoroughbred, whilst Swiss T, for all his faults has a real Arsenal attitude. Something that is currently in too short supply.

  131. I trust you are not “fitting up” our dear Frank?

  132. hmmmm where is Frank? I bet he is printing “Willy must go” T-Shirts for his stall

  133. No, G4E, he is engraving the whistles with that phrase, because he thinks Willy should go precisely, where they go.

  134. Arse21 Arse?

  135. Quitre right, G4E….absolutely furious…where is Ateeb?…had to do it myself…I decided to use the unlettered Muppet shirts..on the grounds that I can sell Muppet shirts anytime…very, very popular….anyway I got 100 shirts printed with F*** Off, Willie Up the Arse on two lines …well I thought I did but the bl**dy printers thought it was vulgar so they missed off the F*** Off…I mean honestly what self respecting Arsenal supporter is going to walk around with that on their shirt ….b***ards…….

    Robin van Persie…pheep, pheep, pheep, pheep, pheeep….Robin van Persie…pheep, pheep, pheep, pheep,pheep

  136. NYMarcus,

    Welcome back !!

    Please keep posting.

  137. Frank,

    I’ll have to come into town and buy one of these Muppet shirts !

  138. Ateeb has sent a whistle to WG….dipped it in Chilli first…

    People could not have made that WG story up….oh…ah well…f*** off WG

    We are going to win the Prem now.

    Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal…Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenaaa all…Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal…Arsenal…ARSENAL

  139. Passenal…you really are a star

  140. Buy one, Muppet??? It would be an honour, sir…on me….if you wouldn’t mind signing a few…..dozen

  141. Sorry, Flint, I just saw your comment…..we have heard rumours of the market being flooded with cheap Armenian imports….so happens that I have a few contacts in Bulgaria looking into this for me….thanks for the ‘heads up’..revolting term that isn’t it…btw do you like tripe?

  142. according to l`equipe,gallas wants to go back to france to end his career there,they also think almunia or clichy could be the next capi

  143. Please not Almunia he has not been there long enough.

    It is a tough one 4 the new capt because i felt at the time gallas was appointed capt that Toure would have made an ideal candidate but since then his own for has dropped considerably perhaps coinciding with with AW overlooking him and his bout of malaria.

    But what is clear is that there is no clear choice those shouting for Clichy i believe are mistaken because even though at times he is world class he is prone to cataclysmic mistakes which are frowned upon when you are capt.

    This has to be Djourou’s time and I hope we have the option to recall Sendy because he may be needed as cover.

    Wow this has really been a bad week for us. :(

  144. I don’t know what the feeling is on the the blogosphere but for god’s sake the new captain has got to be Fabregas. If anybody is a personification of Wenger on the field then it has to be him. Articulate, diplomatic, skilled and someone who will gain the respect from all the players.

    A man after my own heart.

    :-)

  145. Gallas, in my view, has been quite deliberate in his actions here. he knows what constitutes the point of no return. Breaking teh dressing room code is one such

    The reason – our Billy wants a move and he wants to promote his new book. He may be gone by January.

    Gallas should never have been appointed Captain. I am not saying that in hindsight. I’m saying it because of what I said at the time – appointing someone who has only just arrived into the club sends out the wrong signal to thoase who are loyal. This has been a sorry chapter -

  146. yes Silvergunner – Good point

    Recall Senderos, play Djourou and let Billy rot in the stiffs until August – that will teach the c*nt

  147. NYmarcus,

    Welcome back. For what its worth I have missed you!

    I agree about the fact that there is noone to help Gallas and have made a similar point myself previously. We used to have leaders all over the pitch wheras now we have none. I think that the kids are too spoilt and having too much too soon can work against you.

    The manager assembled the team and its up to him to put things right. This is no only a test for the team but a test of AW’s abilities when he is being questioned like never before.

    We can say what we want but as Vieira said “The truth is on the pitch” and so far this season some of the truth has been pretty ugly.

    Keep posting Marcus.

  148. AIC stop making excuses for what Gallas did. He was talking last year also when Gilberto, Flam were around. If he felt that way he shoudl have gone and spoke to Wenger not the press. He has no license to talk crap. Why is he the only person with problems? No onther player came out and blasted his team mates.

    I dont condemn him but he was wrong, I hope the best for him but he needs to sit down.

    the comments that Wemger has assembled a bunch of kids is wack – these are the same kids that lead us close to the title.

    Damn it, he has been the main one playing poor! So who is he to talk?

    You may have more than one leader but there is always a main leader in the team and thats Gallas – he should step up or bounce. He accepted the armband, if he couldnt handle it say no.

    Alang 9:00 -I agree!

  149. Even if we lost every match to date it would not change the fact that Gallas has been a poor leader and has been found wanting when we needed him to step up.

    Its not a about the teams form its about him not using wisdom – and yes that can cause a breakdown in the team, if it affects the unity. Get it straight!

  150. Gallas should not have done this in public but some of what he says is horribly true.

    I am not a Gallas fan, look at all my posts and what I say about him but I think its high time that someone came out and admitted some our our problems instead of repeating the anodyne football-speak that we are usually fed. Maybe something will change now.

    Its not true that the same kids almost won the Prem. We have lost Hleb and Flam and Eddy and Tom have yet to play this season. The team is very different now.

  151. Paul,

    I am not saying Gallas has been a good captain. He did well at first but couldn’t sustain it when things changed for the worse. At the time there was a lack of alternatives once AW decide Gilberto would not be captain. This is part of the problem; there are no obvious solutions. I am not convinced about putting Cesc under even more pressure at all.

  152. NYMarcus

    May I join those in welcoming your return. You have been missed.

    On the point about overeulogising Tony Adams and greats capatines of the past, you mention when he wrapped his car around a lampost during a crucial point of the season as being irresponsible and the point is well made… but…

    ……..remember when, after falling down the stairs of a nightclub and needing 20 stitches, he took to the pitch heavily bandaged in a crucial FA cup qtr final away to Ipswich and actually scored a goal from a corner launching himself thorugh a crowd of players in a 4-2 win

    Oh memories……………….

    Imagine Gallas doing that ????- FFS he ruled himself out recently for the away game to Stoke with a “hamstring niggle” because he was scared of facing an aerial bombardment

    Good fu*king riddance. Wenger took an uneccessary risk on him as captain (not as signing him because that was a worthwhile gamble given Arsenals inexperience at cB at the time and the price)given his baggage

  153. Good to have you back, NYMarcus …this is the best discussion going on Arsenal and you definitely raise the level just a bit more. So, could you just call this a ‘time out’ rather than a full parting of ways?

    Regarding insubordinate players, I can see that there are a few in the squad, although it also seems like there are some really good characters. Clichy, Denilson, Cesc and Theo all seem like hard-working, put your head down types. However, it is pretty clear that RVP is a bit of a head-case. He had problems with Titi, he picks up useless red-cards before key games, and despite his incredible talent he hasn’t really broken through. Ade is another one, although I get the feeling that he is a bit bipolar, sometimes lacking confidence and at other times becoming over-confident and even grandiose. Nasri? He clearly has a punkish steak in him although I don’t really know enough to figure much more than that.

  154. AIC

    I think I agree with you – some of this coming out in public may be catharthic

    and may force Arsene to face some of the real issues that have crept up on the team over the last few years (gradual loss of experience, loss of leadership, loss of physical steel)
    and also force his spoiled kids to grow up

  155. “The truth is on the pitch” – yes, very apt by
    Patrick

    Billy did not let his boots speak for him – certainly this season but having such a lightweight mudfield in front of you must be a nightmare

    A central defence is only as good as its midfield 4

    Look at the Villa game – a midfield that most of the time contained Nasri, Fabregas, Debilson and Walcott. Roy Keane would hold them all back with one arm…featherweights

  156. California,

    I agree abvout Van Persie in that he hasn’t broken through despite his huge talent and his temperament also worries me. Injury has played a big part though but I am not as convinced as I once was.

  157. alanG.

    I too bemoan the lack of physicality in the midfield. Its so bad that we look to Alex Song who has talent but has played about 5 Prem games to play in the position previous graced by legends like Vieira, Gilberto, Edu, Parlour and Petit

  158. Sorry Frank, I read Myles Palmer’s blog and heard that a meeting between the players and manager would be held. So I grabbed the binoculars and the periscope from the stall, and rushed to the club. Half way through the meeting Gallas started crying, so his mommy had to be called to pick him up and take him back to France. Felt bad for him. He tried, not his fault that he wasn’t MAN ENOUGH to handle the situation. I’m pissed, this couldn’t have come at a worse time. But well you know, maybe this could be a turning point of the season. And the only way our team is going to turn is towards the top of the league. Because…..we are hip and cool…..WE ARE ARSENAL.

  159. alang,

    Sorry I missed your 9:58 post. I couldn’t agree more. You highlight the same areas that I do with what you so accurately say as the problems that have crept up on us.

    I also think that there is an inability to close-out tight games.

  160. Dear Gris Gris,

    Gumbo ya ya!

  161. RVP’s hasn’t really broken through primarily because ofn his injuries. How do you expect someone to BREAK THROUGH untill they get a good run in a season or two. But anyone with a footballing brain can easily spot what RVP is capable of. Awesome talent, if anyone is going to be compared to the likes of Kaka, Messi, Ibrahimovich or Ronaldo, its going to be RVP from Arsenal. And I have no doubts, that if he plays the whole of this season, he would have fullfilled his potential.

  162. Goodness me; its true Americans know nothing about soccer and US based gooners know even less

  163. Oh great…..The feather weight midfield argument. I’m out.

  164. Ateeb,

    I agree but the problem is that if something does not happen by a certain time it may never happen. We have a huge number of strikers and not all can be first choice.

  165. They can’t all be fifth choice either.

  166. 7 goals in 15 matches this season. I think it’s happening already.

    Poliziano, whats the situation on the strikers? If RVP doesn’t get to 25 goals by january we might have to offload him as well.

  167. Sore Finger….I think we may be related.

  168. I thought we were only keeping Clichy and Sagna.

    If RVP can get to 25 goals by the end of the year, we could consider keeping him. With the service he would get from our midfield, Amr Zaki would get a minimum of 28 goals between August and December. But is it worth going to all that trouble for a few extra goals?

  169. Not that I’m suggesting for a moment that our midfield is good. That’s why we’re getting rid of them all.

  170. I think I can smell a contradiction there. If anyone else notices, I’ll give them an earful of abuse.

  171. alanG, thats crazy to say the central defence is only as good as the midfield. What did the Mid have to do with that second goal against Villa? What about at Fulham when he was outuscled again. Thats plain rediculous – he gets beat all the time one on one?

    Keane could have held them back with one arm, and I guess thats the reason why we have stood up to so many physical teams and won, and Beat Man U?

    when we win, why is it? because we are light weight also or do we all of a sudden become heavy weight? Some of the comments make no sense to me.

    AIC stop agreeing with madness! everything ok partner?

    be easy – looking forward to tomorrows match!

  172. Sore Loser

    What made you sore?

    Com killy killy com com

  173. grauniad is reporting that the team left for Manc without Willie, so it’s beginning to look like more than just a French + arseblogger-sourced rumour.
    young guns also saying ade not with squad. Looks like AW may be acting on his statement that he wouldn’t be afraid to play any of the CC team in the prem. But all of them?
    We live in interesting times, as the chinese allegedly say. (never heard one say it myself)

  174. Sore finger, “US based gooners know even less”
    Well Paul just proved you wrong. You want to say something about that?

  175. Dear Alex Ice Cream,
    9.58 post!
    Your postal deliveries are very precise; where do you live?
    Are you also American and therefore using pony express?

  176. Ateeb,

    Yes, I guess I’ll have to admit it!
    I’ve never been outuscled in my life; I’ve led a sheltered life.
    I am obviously just rediculous; but not rednecked.

  177. Lets keep rednecks out of this. As far as I know, there interests lie in oil not football.

  178. we need to win tommorw this week has been a bad week… i hope the guys do well tommorow, i pray they do !!!

  179. hhmmm…gallas doesnt travel to city….see ya!!!

  180. Yes, Gallas will buy a carton of smokes tonight to smoke while watching the game….or do you think he will be watching Chel$ki and remember his good old days?

  181. Ateeb,

    Are you confused; I thought it was roughnecks who were involved in oil.

    Maybe thats what Gallas thinks Arsenal needs; mmm roughnecks in midfield and redneck supporters.

    Hmm..now you’ve got me thinking

  182. paul N

    We win against MAN U with a featherweight midfield because Sir Alex loses the plot, sense blood and goes out all gung ho tp lay football against Arsenal and win at the Emirates

    Imagine this scenario – Fergie plays 5 across the middle and adds the dogged Fletcher whilst deploying the tenacious Tevez instead of Berbatov. They would, in my opinion have did what Villa did because they have even better players

    Of course we will win games with a light midfield because when we have the ball we are very very good (and tend to have a lot of the ball against the lesser teams who also give it back cheaply to us in many cases without us having to fight for it)

    For example, lok at Denilson (who many say had a good game against Villa) 3-4 times he let Sidwell run past him onto our centre backs without tracking him. You can get away with that some of the time but you wont win the PREM – GET SERIOUS !

  183. so Flamini=weighty midfield!

  184. Sure alanG, why isnt it you managing one of the top teams as surely they dont know what they are doing.

    Man U is not the only team we have beaten, we have beaten more physical teams than the ones we have lost to. Its nothing to do with lightweight, thats just makes no sense.

    You didnt answer my question about how are`they to blame for Gallas’ mistakes?

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