SUNDERLAND 1 – 1 ARSENAL
1 – 0 Leadbitter (86)
1 – 1 Fabregas (90)
Apologies for the absence of a post yesterday but Mrs YW had a birthday. Apparently. Although she keeps telling us that she wants to forget them from now on.
So to Saturday’s game. It was a point at the end of the day and as Arsene said afterwards,
Is it a good point or a bad point? I don’t know
The latter it certainly is given that seven minutes before Cesc Fabregas popped up with his equaliser, there was no point there at all. Grant Leadbitter struck an astonishing strike – the odds are starting to shorten on Arsenal being on the receiving end of the top three goals of the season – beating Almunia comprehensively via the underside of the crossbar. That the response came from a corner is proof that the delivery is key, van Persie’s setpiece of a far higher quality than much that has come from Arsenal this season in this department.
The key for Arsene is ‘Walcott-gate’. Did the whole of the ball cross the line? The Assistant who gave the decision did so on instinct and therefore got the decision wrong, for he could not have seen the moment due to the shape and position of Walcott’s body, masking the flight of the ball. The use of video technology would perhaps have resolved the issue in that there was stronger evidence to suggest that the ball was, at least partially, in play when Theo crossed.
Rafa Benitez’s response when questioned about Steven Gerrard’s disallowed goal against Stoke is the correct answer to Saturday. We should not have to rely upon poor officiating as the excuse for failing to beat Sunderland. Arsene got caught cold by Roy Keane tactically. The Arsenal team was set to counter-attack and battle, as they had done successfully at Bolton and Blackburn with little reason not to believe that this would be the case in the North East. Sunderland though set to do the same and simply sat back, inviting Arsenal to come forward. It was not how Arsene envisaged and the team enjoyed the ball but at times, lacked the guile to break them down.
Little doubt that this was aided by the absence of the usual speed of passing. That aspect was stunted by the quartet in midfield, Song’s defensive play the result of sacrificing Nasri. Personally, it was why I suggested the Frenchman and Eboue be included yesterday, the former’s dribbling, the latter’s directness in attack and defensive cover should have been more than enough to counter Sunderland. It is, however, easy to pontificate after the event.
Weather conditions were poor but that is of little comfort. Quite simply, they were out-thought on the pitch. Sunderland defended deeply and for the most part well, whilst using the ball effectively in attack. Kolo Toure made an excellent tackle in the area, once more, suggesting that thoughts of his demise may be misplaced. Cisse was a thorn in the Arsenal side all afternoon and may have been rewarded for his efforts had his finishing not been so profligate or selfish, ignoring better placed colleagues on a couple of occasions. Almunia saved well when Walcott’s wayward defending set the Frenchman free.
One aspect Arsene seemed to get wrong was the order of the substitutions. It made little outward sense to withdraw Walcott for Bendtner, the play becoming narrower, acknowledged by the manager with the introduction of Nasri for Denilson several minutes later. If Porto was the response that the manager wanted after Hull, this probably was not. Chances went begging, Gordon denying van Persie; Denilson, Song and Fabregas went close(ish) but it seemed to be ‘one of those afternoons’ before Fabregas struck.
Inevitably, there are questions over Gallas’ leadership in the media, spawned from Arsene’s comments about Cesc being a ‘great winner’. Undeniably, this is why a story appears in yesterday’s ‘Mail on Sunday‘ about Gallas ‘borrowing’ the cashpoint card of former colleague, Jerome Rothen, some fifteen years ago and helping himself to £250. Gallas is less than happy at the tale appearing in Rothen’s new book, ashamed of his actions. For the press, it is another nail to hammer into the lid of his captaincy-coffin. It is reminding me of the death-throes of many a political career; constant drip-feeding of ‘bad’ news eventually accounting for chop when it happens. That Arsene will not change horses mid-race seems beyond their capacity to comprehend, egos rampaging so wildly and bloated that they believe they have the right to dictate who wears the armband.
’til Tomorrow.























Great post as always Yogi, and best wishes to Mrs YW, 21 again is it?
I think that lack of pace on the attack is where Arsenal are falling down at present. For 85 Mins on Saturday we got into the final third and went either sideways or backwards. It has happened all season and it is proving our downfall.
Okay so sometimes it works to be patient but teams know that if they stick players on the edge of the 18 yard line we will pass it about in front of them.
We need to get pace and directness back into our attacks, remember the speed by which we used to attack 13 seconds end to end? Yes I know the playing staff is different now, but we do not lack pace just the willingness to inject some into our attacks.
On the plus side from Saturday I think Song played very well but it was down to Arsene not the have Nasri on the pitch, if you put Song in the centre you don’t have to play Denilson on the left it doesn’t work, especially when you have a player who can comfortably play there.
Its about time we stopped worrying about the other teams tactics, and let them worry about us.
By: drew10 on October 6, 2008
at 9:43 am
The lack of width in the game was probably down to the sides of the pitch being completely sodden.
By: Frank on October 6, 2008
at 9:51 am
Wenger got it wrong on Saturday and before people start using the hindsight argument many people felt the same when they saw the lineup. Wenger compounded the problem by taking too long to change the formation (not for the first time) and then narrowed our set-up even more by the strange substitution of Walcott for Bendtner when Nasri for Denilson and reverting to 4-4-2 would have made far more sense.
I am concerned that none of our spinal partnerships have been convincing on a regualr basis this season. Toure/Gallas has been talked about ad infinitum and Cesc has been hampered in my opinion by having to do more defensive work due to being partnered with Denilson.
I confess that I am not 100% sure about this but Arsene knows the physical statistics of players and if Cesc is not tired then the midifeld must be changed to suit him. He is not a number 10 like Bergkamp, nor is defending the best part of his game. If Denilson can play more of a holding role and allow Cesc to play his natural game then fine but I haven’t seen much evidence of this so far.
Apart from Porto Ade and RvP have simply not combined at all and Ade doesn’t looks sharp in front of goal. Let’s give them more time but they have struggled to play together so far.
Something else that is concerning me is that Liverpool seem to have more about them this season and even played some good football yesterday for the first time since about 1990. Chelsea also are playing in a more adventurous style and they dispatched high-flying Villa with ease yesterday.
If we are to mount a serious title challenge, we need to improve starting with the next league game.
By: Alex Ice Cream on October 6, 2008
at 9:57 am
Good post as usual Yogi.Even you are allowed a day off.Even at this early stage of the season the usual suspects have been out in droves to put nails into the Arsenal coffin. To coin a cliche we can only get better from our expereince at SUnderland. I agree with you Drew about pace but its pretty difficult against a bank of 10 well drilled players sitting deep. I suspect thats why Bendtner was put into the game for his heading ability and he almost helped create the openeing with his perfectly weighted pass to RVP which Gordon saved. On the positive side. We still worked hard to gain a point.
By: Gooner4Life on October 6, 2008
at 10:06 am
I personally think we need a change up front. I sung Ade’s praises last season when lots of people were still doubting him. However he is blatantly off form and his partnership with RVP isnt working despite what he says.
I think both Ade, and RVP need a different style of striker with them a more direct centre forward. Both like to come short and make things happen. Personally I don’t think Bendtner is that kind of player so that leaves Vela or Eduardo when fit. These are the sort of player that will compliment Ade and RVP and we will have a more direct and fast attack as a result.
By: drew10 on October 6, 2008
at 10:06 am
Some thoughts on the game against Sunderland:
1) Robin van Persie cannot play on the left. Let’s please put an end to that experiment. It hasn’t worked before, it’s not going to anytime soon. Instead, a five man midfield, with Fab, Denilson, and Song in the middle, and Walcott/Eboue/Vela, Nasri/Eboue on the wings, looks much more balanced. It gives Fab the so-called license to go forward, and provides width. And going by last season’s evidence, Ade can do pretty well going it alone up front. And we have RvP and Bendtner as backup if things go horribly wrong.
2) Bendtner is the goods. His link up play, passing and vision made an instant impact on the game, providing RvP with a sitter, which he should have converted. Combined with an out and out striker like vela/eduardo, he can be deadly, as we’ve already seen in the Kids’ Cup.
3) One of the main reasons of our perceived defensive frailties has been our full-backs’ form. Sagna and Clichy haven’t quite hit the heights of last season. Their crossing has been average (especially Sagna), and their defensive work can do with some improvement. Sagna’s mistake on Saturday almost led to a goal, while Clichy’s failure to close down on Leadbitter eventually did.
4) Cesc scoring with his head!! Didn’t think I’d live to see that. I could just picture Roy Keane gritting his teeth as he plugged the hairdryer in, waiting for his defenders to walk into the dressing room.
By: Ameya on October 6, 2008
at 10:08 am
G4Life, yes I know its hard against a back 10 but there were times when we started to break against them when they had less back but then stopped and went sideways.
I have noticed this quite a lot so far this season. That is why I think we need a player who will run for the box and stretch the play forward.
By: drew10 on October 6, 2008
at 10:09 am
Drew 10
“I think both Ade, and RVP need a different style of striker with them a more direct centre forward. Both like to come short and make things happen. Personally I don’t think Bendtner is that kind of player so that leaves Vela or Eduardo when fit.”
You may be right about the first point; its a bit early to say. Bendtner is the best link up player in that position; he is a number 10 who links the play. Forget the fact that he is 6′3 he is more Bergkamp than Van Persie is. Maybe Ade and Bendtner? I have not been impressed at all by RvP this season, although Ade has not played well either.
By: Alex Ice Cream on October 6, 2008
at 10:29 am
Alex IC
I wasn’t that impressed with Liverpool. Man City self-destruct with the red card, then Skrtel escaped punishment with a blantant kick at Jo, but not the justice meted out by the hand of fate when he injured himself wit an awkward fall. Liverpool seems to be enjoying a run of good luck.
By: Luke on October 6, 2008
at 10:41 am
Alex, I agree Bentdner is quality and perhaps deserves some more starts but you seem to highlight my point. He also needs a different style of player with him which is why his partnership with Vela is looking so promising. At present on current form I think we should maybe give that partnership a go.
We know there is no way that will happen. We know RVP is world class once he rediscovers his form. He is still scoring goals but not playing well. We need him back to his piss-taking best.
By: drew10 on October 6, 2008
at 10:46 am
Luke,
I agree that Skrtel should have gone as well but Lpool have managed to play badly and win. They did play much beter football style-wise and I just get the sense that there is more belief in them than before. I hope I’m wrong!
Lucky or not, it didn’t stop them winning the CL and a comeback win like that will only give them more confidence.
By: Alex Ice Cream on October 6, 2008
at 10:50 am
Wenger lamented that the percentage of goals to shots by our opponents is inexplicably high. How true! (Not an excuse for our inconsistency, but a hard luck story to console the down and out.)
Logging out.
By: Luke on October 6, 2008
at 10:57 am
Arsene botched it on Saturday, plain and simple. The 4-3-3 crap didnt work, though I suppose it was designed to accomodate Mr. Walcott.
His substitutions were bad for sure. I think Bendtner should have come on for Denilson. I think Walcott had to go since he is a defensive liability, so maybe Vela on for him.
I don’t get the over-defensive thing. Since when did Arsenal become a team with two standing centre-halves who barely crossed the centre line?
By: Ole Gunner on October 6, 2008
at 11:05 am
It doesn’t help the team when you’re most in form players are sat on the bench. Nasri, Bendtner, Vela and Djourou should all be in the current first team.
then wenger compounds it by playing 4-5-1. Why? sunderland hardly attacked. why did we need 2 DMs? I tell you why, its because he does trust either Den or Song to provide a full defensive function. He doesn’t beleive in them. had Flam been in the team, wenger would have had faith to play 4-4-2. We miss Flamini more and more every week. despite that, at some point I just want wenger to trust Song to do the Flam role. OK he might not be quite as good as Flam but at least we can get on with playing our way rather than compensating the whole time.
RVP on the left was pathetic. why could wenger not see that? he is a striker and can sometimes play on the right but not the left.
Nik B had a great impact when he came on but it was only for 20 mins and to be honest he cant do enough damage from the right wing. He is more like DB10 (as mentioned above) and I think he could be of great use to us. Both RVP and ade have not really come into any sort of form. they seem to be scoring goals without playing well and they seem to be getting lots of goals in the easiest games and getting hatfuls in a rout. when the games are tough they are not scoring vital goals. To me, just watching Vela and Bentdtner this season you can see they are playing well. forget stats and goals scored, they just look total class – crisp accurate passing and running at players and making positive things happen around them.
By: gazzap on October 6, 2008
at 11:08 am
Ameya,
You’re right on the money mate. Sagna and Clichy have been disappointing this season. Sagna is looking one-dimensional, always trying the same cross, and Clichy allows too many crosses from his side.
By: Ole Gunner on October 6, 2008
at 11:09 am
Gazzap
RVP on the left was pathetic but Wenger made no attempt to change it over the 90mins.Why play both Song and Denilson in the same team? it either one or the other.
Why does wait till the 70min to bring on any subs?
The fixture list was very kind to us with us not playing a top 4 side till November.These dropped points against poor sides will come back and haunt us
By: Peter Storeys Budgie on October 6, 2008
at 11:17 am
gazzup,
Finally someone agrees with me that we miss Flamini. I think he would have closed the space for the Hull and Sunderland goals and allow us to play 4-4-2. Cesc also plays better with Flam in the team. We miss him badly. I would try and buy him back in January!
Agree that Clichy and Sagna have not hit the heights of last season either.
I wouldn’t have a problme if Vela and Bentner played as I think Ade and RvP have been poor this season. Its too early to write them off though.
By: Alex Ice Cream on October 6, 2008
at 11:25 am
PSB,
Don’t you know that is written into Wenger’s contract that he is not allowed to make a sub before 70mins?
By: Alex Ice Cream on October 6, 2008
at 11:26 am
Extremely disappointing result for sure.
The longer the game went on at 0-0, the more it felt like they would score, i can’t explain why.
For sure, AW made some killer mistakes on Saturday, so the gaffer needs to take it on the chin.
Unfortunately for us, as much as AW is a genius, he is a little prone to letting himself down tactically and with his substitutions.
By: Matt on October 6, 2008
at 11:39 am
Matt
“Unfortunately for us, as much as AW is a genius, he is a little prone to letting himself down tactically and with his substitutions.”
Spot on. I have said the same thing for years. Europe in the early years we were tactically naive.
By: Alex Ice Cream on October 6, 2008
at 11:41 am
Very dissapointing performance, Wenger thought Sunderland would come out and attack and they didnt. We still had enough chances to win the game, but it wasnt a vintage Arsenal performance to say at the least. We held the ball very well, but there wasnt no adventure going forward untill Nasri came on.
Why he didnt start i dont know, maybe he wasnt ready for 90 mins yet after his injury. But we just looked very ordinary and i think Wenger got the balance wrong in this game. Van Persie dont look at all comfortable on the left, and a few more games there he will definately get sent off! We need to stop reverting to this 4-5-1 and allow Cesc, Robin all to play in their preffered positions. Bendtner came on right wing!! Every game we have tried to play a 5 man Midfield with 2 DM’s we aint looked right, lets just stick to 4-4-2 Mr Wenger and stop thinking about other teams.
Where has the confidence from last season gone?
By: chris GOONA on October 6, 2008
at 11:42 am
Alex Ice Cream & Matt
You can question his tactics, and pick at Wenger, im ok for healthy constructive criticism. He got it wrong on Saturday, but against Bolton it worked with Song and Denilson on the pitch. I just felt Van Persie should have been left to roam the pitch, he never has looked comfortable on the left.
For away games we have to take a different approach.. and we have the personnel to change things around in a game. We need a plan B, and Wenger did not simply have that against Sunderland. Bendtner should have came on earlier, or someone should have been drafted into left Mid and stick Robin up top. It didnt happen, we still should have won, ‘wonder goal’ and a disallowed goal just spoilt the day for us.
I dont think we can criticise Wenger too much for being cautious though, because 1 mistake from the team and everyone is on their backs. Hes trying to protect them a bit too much, but i have seen far worse tactics from the likes of Man u & Fergie than us. Tevez/Rooney right mid anyone?
By: chris GOONA on October 6, 2008
at 11:50 am
chris GOONA
No one expected us to do so well last year.And it was a suprise to many.But the signs were there in the final 10 games of last season that if the team was not strengthened this season it would be more of a struggle.Wenger failed to make the nessecary signing while our top 4 opponents bought big again.
By: Peter Storeys Budgie on October 6, 2008
at 11:53 am
Good post Yogi. A lot of fire being rained down on Wenger all weekend, as well as it should. Not surprisingly, many of those who advocated generally the same starting XI, demanding we start with a holding type DM in the form of Song, have either kept quiet or piled on with more lashes. But that is to be expected. Having watched almost all our games (by TV) it seems to me we have a different team this season than last; the departure of key players like Flamini and Hleb have given us a different look and feel. Yet I think Wenger has not determined his best XI and that was apparent on Saturday. Hence the difference between Yogi’s starting XI and Wenger’s. Most teams outside the Big-4 are going to resort to Sunderland’s tactics and we will have to impose our method of playing. In my opinion, play our preferred XI and to hell with the critics.
By: shotta-gunna on October 6, 2008
at 12:01 pm
AIC, not sure about buying flam back but I would hope wenger will buy a DM in January. I saw we are still linked with Blaise Matuidi. Either that or just trust Song and go with it. Song is no worse than Gilberto would have been. Given time Song, I think, could be better than Gilberto was.
The formation at Bolton was totally different so you cannot compare the two just because Den and Song played. at Bolton we were 4-4-2 with Denilson on the right wing and Eboue on the left. Song and Cesc in the middle and cricually Nik B and Ade up front. Nik B was excellent in that game and Bolton could not handle his size and the way he drifts so deep to get the ball. Defenders cannot follow him that far. Den had a good game on the right and I think can do a steady more defensive job than Walcott can offer.
Eboue is suited to the left in so far as he then has some goal threat. song dealt with the midfield battle on his own with some help from Den and Eboue who were out wide. I would say that day, wenger got the tactics pretty much spot on.
the only change I would have made to the Bolton team at Sunderland would be to bring in Nasri for Denilson, thus switching Eboue back to the right. Perhaps walcott can replace eboue though that would be down to whether you want the more defensive player or more offensive player.
By: gazzap on October 6, 2008
at 12:05 pm
Shotta, playing Song in the holding role was right. but playing Song AND Den in central midfield was the problem. it was overly negative when what we needed was more presence in the final third where Ade was isolated and crowded out.
I still say Song and Cesc in a 4-4-2 is the way forward.
By: gazzap on October 6, 2008
at 12:10 pm
somehow that ‘team mentality, of playing togethers seems to be dropping… it can be especially noticed when we dont score when we want to…
By: jonnyboy on October 6, 2008
at 12:13 pm
I think we have problems in the 3 key areas of the pitch, firstly Ade and RVP are just not working mainly down to Ade’s lack of well everything, at the moment I am struggling to find any strength’s at all.
The man is unable to shoot when in front of goal, he tends to favor passing the ball sideways instead, and when was the last time he scored a goal from outside the box? He hardly ever takes up a position in the box where he can receive a high ball to head, and continues to get caught offside.
For my money Bendtner has much more subtlety and nous and should be given a proper run in the team, instead of automatically playing Ade, even when not playing well. I know he is very young, but isn’t that the case with most of squad.
The midfield lacks the holding player which we all crave for, someone who is prepared to get stuck in, win the ball back and distribute simply but accurately.
I find myself wishing for Diaby to return even though I believe he is not the answer, he only has one foot, his tackling is woeful, and as we all know he is very injury prone.
Our defense continues to looks out of sorts, I believe the main issue stems from Captain Billy, he does not inspire confidence and this is spreading across our back line. Both Chlicy and Sagna’s game appear to be suffering as a result of the hesitancy which all to often characterizes our defensive set up.
Having said all that, we do have the resources within the squad to remedy some of these problems as we could play either JD or Kolo in the DM position, and possibly drop Gallas for Silvestre. Up top I would like to see Bentdner and either RVP or Vela start with Ade being used as a sub.
I know this all sounds a bit controversial, but, I am feeling that Arsene’s perceived loyalty to certain individuals is clouding his judgment and team selection. I am finding it hard to reconcile that the manager who has bought so much success is making so many mistakes and poor judgments.
By: GunnerX on October 6, 2008
at 12:29 pm
@gazzap: “Eboue is suited to the left in so far as he then has some goal threat”
You having a laugh mate? Eboué a goal threat? He’s scored 1 goal in his Arsenal life and that was offside. Why do you think the Arsenal fans sing “You’ve only come to see Eboué”? Because they know he’s a joke. Sorry mate, but I think you’re totally off the wall.
Bendtner is a talent but also a problem. First problem is he’s not as good (yet) as he thinks he is. In a recent Danish interview, he said he didn’t think there were any weaknesses in his game! Self-confidence is fine but when it slides over into arrogance, you have a problem. I think Ade has the same issue.
Problem 2 with Bendtner is, who do you play him with? I think he’s too like Ade for it to be a long-term working partnership. AW hasn’t started RvP and Bendtner together yet, which might be worth a try. It is clear that Bendtner and Vela are working out an understanding with each other but I think it’s too early to have them as a starting pair in the Premiership. Fact is that on his day, Ade causes lots of problems for opposing defences, even though he misses a lot of chances. So he has to start. And RvP is, IMHO, the best of them all. But he has to be played centrally. So by all means start with them Mr W, but if one or both is clearly off his game, as with Ade on Saturday, then get them off quicker. I thought RvP looked pretty sharp again against Sunderland but was wasted out on the left.
Still believe in Song at DM, needs to up his work rate a bit.
Agree with all those saying that AW got tactics wrong – maybe not at the start, but as soon as it was clear what Keane’s game plan was, he needed to get Nasri on and Denilson off, and switch RvP into a central role. Latest half-time I think.
By: dkgooner on October 6, 2008
at 12:41 pm
This is not sour grapes but look at the following:
ManU v Bolton – one of the worst ever penalty decisions, obviously in favour of Manu. There was utterly no contact with Ronaldo and the ball was clearly won (by Gardner I think)
Manu v Blackburn – Vidic elbows the Blackburn keeper in the face. I have seen red cards given for less but the goal stands.
Citeh v Liverpool: Skrtel with a professional foul on Jo – last man 20 yerds out. No red card.
Sunderland v Arsenal: Walcott crosses the ball that is on the line and sets up a goal for RvP. No goal as the ball was over the line? This is a joke for the simple reason that the linesman guessed the ball was over as he couldn’t see the ball. How can you guess that it was out.
Once again we get a raw deal from the refs who are at best inept and at worse biased or even corrupt. No wonder AW wants replays.
By: Alex Ice Cream on October 6, 2008
at 12:46 pm
i Think football games are won and lost in the mind. i magine being in the tunnel with Vieira, Pettit, Henry, Berkemp, Adams, and then compare them with what we have. i weep sometimes. The confidence to win just based on a name is not there.
By: arsenalkabisa on October 6, 2008
at 1:14 pm
LETS BE REALISTIC.
I feel this is the time to put some perspective to our season. Watching the 8/9 games of the season, it is now more than fair to say that we will not win the title.
After SURVIVING what I now refer to as the “Hull experience”, and all the games before and after it, looking at the team and saying we are serious contenders is to put it quite bluntly, DELUDED!
I did not want to come on the blogs after the hull game because there would be too many tubs and kitchen sinks being thrown around and everything would get lost in it.
For me, quite frankly, it was more of a sober CONFIRMATION OF DOUBTS, rather than furious exasperation. We shouldnt really be surprised with the results of fulham and hull. It was coming all along, so I was disappointed but accepted it rather magnanimously.
I had noted on this blog at the beginning of the season that, there were just too many questions about the team as we went into the campaign for us to win it. I had also said that my expectations had been scaled down to winning the FA cup and getting 4th in the league. And I think that is the most realistic target we can hope to achieve.
THE PROBLEMS:
1) I have been accused of harping too much about the defence but I am sorry to say this defence is only good enough to secure us 4th place. It will never win us the title!
2)Lack of match winners is costing us as well. we are poor against well organised teams.
3) Inconsistency is another problem, but it cannot be helped as we have decided to stick with the youngsters.
4)Lack of leadership is another problem. Characters to take tough games by the scruff of the neck and turn it around. Since I have scaled down my hopes, I watch with GREAT AMUSEMENT gallas giving “inspirational” talk before games. It doesnt surprise me that it hasnt filtered down to the team! ha ha.. but anyway I guess that is the best we have!
NEED FOR PERSPECTIVE.
I seriously think, if we go all out for the FA cup we have about 85-90% chance of winning it. It may not be considered highly by the fans but to me it still means something, and more importantly give us something to go on in the coming seasons. As for 4th I think we strong enough to secure that comfortably.
SOME POSITIVES FROM THE STADIUM OF LIGHT.
1) LAST GASP CHARACTERISTIC: I am extremely pleased that we still retain the tendency of scoring late goals from last season. This is one area in which I feel the team from last season was superior than the “invincibles”. We have to keep this going, it is a characteristic that all great teams have. Shame that we dont have the OTHER characteristic of great teams, which is a solid defence, but anyway, lets leave it at that..
2) THE GREAT DANE: I am a big fan of bentner because he comes to his own in games like saturday where everything is strangled and disjointed. Our delivery was poor and we didnt exploit nikki as we should have done. He is going to be an awesome player for us, and I dont understand why he was brought on so late in the game!!
3) SINGING THE SONG: We atleast had midfield stability at sunderland. The reason so obviously and emphatically being Alex song. He was the reason why our midfield was NOT overrun like the fulham game. He is not as good as flamini but he does a solid job and he is the only player we have for the DM position. Song HAS to be first choice alongside cesc not denilson!!
So, as I said before I think, we as fans should now assess what we are expecting from the season pragmatically, so that we avoid unnecessary repercussions emanating from unrealistic expectations.
Wenger has made the decision to go with this team, and we need to back him despite having reservations because nothing can be done, atleast for this season.
So for me personally, if he delivers the FA cup this season along with sustaining fourth place, I WILL NOT COMPLAIN!!
Cheers all and up the guns!!
By: naga gunner on October 6, 2008
at 1:21 pm
naga gunner
You must be very happy to throw in the towell just like that.. do u believe Man Utd have given up like you have??? I know we have dropped some stupid points, but barely any football has been played yet. There are actually fans who have faith in these players along with Wenger.. but cheers for your optimism. We are sitting fourth in the league and we havent got out of 1st gear yet. We moved into second against Porto and look what happened. We have played some amazing stuff at times.. a few results and the Emirates will be buzzing mark my words and you will all be saying how we weill be challenging again.
It is just so remarkable how perspectives change over a game to game basis. This team is good enough, why cant you all just get behind them. What has age got to do with it, or Gallas’s tantrum last season?
By: chris GOONA on October 6, 2008
at 1:55 pm
Here’s a debatable point.
- a point to sunderland away in a cold downpour is an acceptable result.
- these conditions are not suited to arsenal’s game, and though i know pundits keep talking about winging precisely these matches, the truth is arsenal do well if we draw them.
And that’s why Wenger chose the formatio he did. Cause he knows that.
It’s true our schedule has not yest included the big teams yet, but frankly, I think matches away to bolton, blackburn and Sunderland are just as hard, or harder for us. having gotten those 3 out with 2 wins and a draw is decent. Outside of Wigan away those are the “crappy weather crappy team” matches we always have trouble with.
By: nando on October 6, 2008
at 2:12 pm
Hi naga, welcome back!
If we have now become a team that sets its sights on the FA Cup then we might as well not bother. I agree that the Cup may help bond the team but other than this FA sums up exactly what I feel the value of the Cup is.
Arsenal are not a team that should be challenging for consolation prizes. We need to be challenging for the Prem and CL and I am not propeared to give in yet. People here know my thoughts on aspects of the way the club is run but I want Arsenal to challenge for top honours. For one reason or another we didn’t sign players that we hoped we would but there does not appear to be a clear solution to the DCM problem yet.
Personally I think Song is our best bet but its too early to tell if he is the long-term solution.
Too many players have been below par for some matches including last season’s best performers Cesc, Clichy, Sagna. Ade and RvP have also been average. Its too early to call for players to be dropped but too many more Hull and Sunderland level performances will mean making changes. Let’s hope there are no repeats as otherwise we could struggle to stay in touch with the leaders.
By: Alex Ice Cream on October 6, 2008
at 2:29 pm
nando
i cant agree with your comment that the conditions did not suit Arsenals game.So what was the excuse v Fulham and Hull when the weather was dru and warm?
Good teams change there tactic”s to suit the oppostition and conditions.The truth is we had no Plan B as usual.
By: Peter Storeys Budgie on October 6, 2008
at 2:32 pm
Chis GOONA – Your optimism is fantastic and I am not giving up this season at all however feel that someone not being particularly positive should not be slated for his/her view. I will be behind the team 100% but I have to say the outlook is not looking that wonderful. We have played some amazing football at times I agree but we are too lightweight and vulnerable to win the league this season. I thought that at the begining of the season and continue to have that opinion.
We simply should not be loosing to teams such as Hull and Fulham and drawing to Sunderland. Of course we will not give up and of course Man U have not given up but we are not looking as though we can come close to winning the title.
We always know that Man U start slowly and that is why they will not give up, they have experienced players who have had a bad start to the season before and know what they need to do. Our team relies on confidence not experience and our confidence is not looking good on the pitch.
By: Marcus Field on October 6, 2008
at 2:32 pm
Ohh and Ade should have been sold in the summer for the £24mn that was touted and we should have not played hardball and wanted £34mn for him or what ever it was. It would have been a absolute treat to get £24mn for him, I bet he is not worth that at the end of the season. He is a striker who turned his back on his loyalty and needs 10 chances before he scores….surely people can see this. I just dont understand why he is automatically on the team sheet, Wenger needs to grow some balls and get our most in form team out there, not just the highest paid!
By: Marcus Field on October 6, 2008
at 2:37 pm
PSB,
I agree.
nando,
Are you taking the piss? Are we made of paper which means that we can’t play in the rain?
Are you serious?
By: Alex Ice Cream on October 6, 2008
at 2:55 pm
What a pathetic board this is. It has been a very bad week. We have had 3 goals scored against us that will, for the players who scored them, be their goal of the year. We’ve also had 2 incorrectly disallowed goals. This kind of shit happens. I actually think we played better yesterday than we did in our 1-0 against WBrom.
It’s fine to discuss whether we should have played with more width (was Nasri fit enough to play 70 mins?), and I agree that this seemed a little too negative for the occasion. I think Arsene overreacted to the weather.
Right now we’re in 4th, with a better goal differential than Liverpool. Our fullbacks have not been in form yet this season. Those writing the season off (and pretending that Ade/Rvp didn’t score 4 goals against Porto) are merely making themselves look stupid. I would like them to go on record writing off ManU’s season as well, and to wish Hull good luck in the Champs League next year.
By: nolagunner on October 6, 2008
at 3:04 pm
Even the most positive of fans cannot realistically think that we have a chance of winning the league if we carry on the form of the last 8-9 games.
A serious improvement is required in all areas of the pitch.
On the bright side, Bischoff and Silvestre are playing for the reserves tonight – they may be the answer!
By: Matt on October 6, 2008
at 3:05 pm
I agree with Chris Goona, dkgooner, Nando and Nolagunner
By: Frank on October 6, 2008
at 3:26 pm
“It is just so remarkable how perspectives change over a game to game basis”
Chris, this is such a load of nonsense, a very convenient way of dissing critics. The same people on this blog who have doubts about this team are the same exact people who said AW should replace key players (esp. Flamini) and make needed defensive changes all summer long. And when he didn’t, those doubts intensified. It isn’t “game to game.” It’s consistent doubts. PSB, gazzap, Alex IC, naga all have consistently expressed doubts to different degrees for months.
Unlike you, some of us don’t see a great result like Porto as somehow convincing proof that all’s well with the team.
I’m the most inconsistent because during the summer I honestly believed AW would replace Flamini. I also wanted him to address the defense but would’ve been satisfied with bringing in a Flam/Gilberto replacement. I thought we could handle Hleb’s departure but not Flamini. It’s why I got into so many arguments with Alex IC. I thought AW would see what he saw about the DM role.
I waited until the close of the transfer window and then and only then did I believe that this team–while full of quality players–would be inconsistent throughout the season, and that we would have to fight for a top 4 finish (tho I never believed we can’t achieve it). My hopes for a stronger team were raised when we had 3 successive away games on tough grounds with very good results. At that point I still had doubts but began to wonder if this team was indeed capable of consistent results. I wanted my doubts laid to rest, I don’t WANT to believe that we’re back to a transitional season like 05-06, as some Arsenal blogs have argued.
Subsequent games have proved my original doubts were well merited. I’m not saying that we ARE conclusively back to the 05-06 season, I’m saying that we may well be.
What is so dismaying about Sunderland is that after Hull I thought at least the team would go on to win 3 or 4 more games before the same problems cropped up. They couldn’t even do that.
Do I think we can still win the title? I seriously doubt it but yes, it’s still possible. Part of me has written off the title, the other part feels it’s still to early to go that far. I actually think we have more hope of the CL than the league. What seems to be happening is an extended “pre-season” stage where AW still doesn’t know his best XI. So in one game he gets his formation/tactics right, in the next he doesn’t.
It’s a pity the team doesn’t go into the int’l break with a win on their backs, this draw feels like a loss. Let’s just hope the players come back with no injuries and that AW finds the right balance and tactics after learning from these recent results.
Last season around this time I remember that everyone was raving about Man City, they were in the top 4, had beaten MU, had fantastic results.
That didn’t last. Early season results can be very deceptive. At least we haven’t had a shocking, comedy humiliation like Atletico Madrid had against Barca on Saturday (Henry created and scored a fantastic goal). Less than 8 minutes into the game, Atletico conceded 3 goals. In less than 20 mins., they conceded 5.
By: NYmarcus on October 6, 2008
at 3:33 pm
All i know is we have a squad full of great players.. but we aint got a solid 11 yet, that is our problem. Fabregas hasnt got a definate partner in midfield, we have been letting in wonder goals and corners while actually defending well on open play. Our attackers aint hit top form but they are all scoring. Its just a matter of finding sum form and we will be flying..
I cant see us not challenging this year, if we dont i will be heavily dissapointed and Wenger will see that as a failure. There are no excuses for him that is why he has been cautious so far which i believe he shoulnt. He needs to show confidence in them.. play a 442 away from home and go for 3 points. We are Arsenal and will play anyone off the park.
The hesistation that is around the club is surfacing onto the pitch and into the tactics.
By: chris GOONA on October 6, 2008
at 3:34 pm
NY Marcus i completely agree.. and i stand on the same grounds.
I just dont like it when fans are ready to throw a tantrum over a single result.. I know we have lost 2 already!! which is bad, but making things out to be worse than what they are dont help. We know what this team is capable of, like you said and i said b4, its just a matter of finding our best 11 and best tactics to suit what we have available at the moment. Diaby will be back after the Int break, so will Silvestre.. Eduardo later this year. We have the players, its just how Wenger uses them now.
By: chris GOONA on October 6, 2008
at 3:39 pm
It just takes a while to get going. The Invincibles wobbled through most of the season as well.
By: Frank on October 6, 2008
at 3:39 pm
Matt
I aint normally an optimist.. but yes i do think we can win the title.. i think you are stupid for not
By: chris GOONA on October 6, 2008
at 3:40 pm
I think we can win the title too
By: Frank on October 6, 2008
at 3:42 pm
Frank,
How could the Invincibles have wobbled through the season but remain unbeaten?
By: Alex Ice Cream on October 6, 2008
at 3:55 pm
My point, AIC, is that the Invincibles drew a lot of their games and very nearly lost them. They also had difficulty when teams stacked all of their players in defence against them. The Invincibles were playing inferior opposition compared to the Premiership line up this year. I see no reason to write off the current squad and this point in the season.
By: Frank on October 6, 2008
at 4:00 pm
Chrisgoona!
I desperately hope you are right. Believe me mate, there is nothing I would LOVE more than wenger and our team proving me wrong. Chris, I wholeheartedly congratulate the lads for the wins we had both in the UCL and the league, but I feel statistics dont tell the entire story.
There are a lot of ingredients missing in our team which worries me. Its not about throwing in the towel, its about picking our options well according to our resources.
To me our team just dont look convincing. We should have been punished against porto but we got away because of THEIR glaring misses. Again we got away with murder against WBA.
I am not complaining too much about the results, winning and losing is part of the game but what concerns me is THE WAY we are losing. somehow I dont know chris, the team as a whole just does not convince me.
On good days we can beat anyone no doubt, but the title will be won on results on OFF days. I hope I AM WRONG, but it looks that way to me chris!! Lets see!!
And please dont doubt my support for the team. Despite being disappointed, I have never wavered my eternal support for Arsenal!!
Cheers!!
By: naga gunner on October 6, 2008
at 4:05 pm
Bad news – neither Geovanni’s nor Leadbitter’s goals against us will be goal of the season….
Good news – Geovanni’s against Spurs almost certainly will be!
May have to settle for Spurs to be relegated rather than Arsenal to win the Premiership…..
By: Big Johan on October 6, 2008
at 4:05 pm
Frank… that is very very true.. the invincibles came very very close to losing on numerous occasions.
I can see us losing more games this year than last, but i think we can pick up alot more wins. The draw to sunderland surprised me because u always feel with us if we score that 1st goal early enough we will go on and rap the game up no matter who we play. It hasnt been happening of late and desperation is kicking in with the tighter games. Like Hull at home and FUlham also. We have to show more patience, not every game can sparkle full of amazing football.. we need to show how to grind out performances and dig deep for the 3 points. The invincibles played out many draws
By: chris GOONA on October 6, 2008
at 4:10 pm
Frank
Come on be serious the invincbles would not have taken just 1pt out of 9 against Fulham,Hull and Sunderland.If the Invincilbles were playing inferior opposition how come Man utd and Chelsea havent gone 49 games unbeaten.The Invincibles had at least 4 truly world class players in Henry,Vieira,Pires and Bergkamp
This current squad is not good enough to win the title.
By: Peter Storeys Budgie on October 6, 2008
at 4:13 pm
I think that is right Chris Goona. Let’s see where we are in January. My prediction is that the title race will be close this year and that their will be a lot of surprising results so it might go to the wire.
By: Frank on October 6, 2008
at 4:14 pm
I am being serious PSB. I think the form of this squad will get better and better.
By: Frank on October 6, 2008
at 4:15 pm
Frankly I do not see how anyone can write-off the title at this stage of the season. If we were bottom of the division, with two points, I might be inclined to concede that we would be hard pushed to win it but a mere four points behind the leaders with thirty-two games left. Somewhat premature, I think.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on October 6, 2008
at 4:20 pm
Alex ice cream!
Good to hear from you..
I am just concentrating on this season when I refer to the FA cup. I get your point about it not being enough for a club like ours. But all I am saying is that I feel looking at our team it seems the best option for THIS SEASON.
We have the talent but we are clearly not ready to juggle the 4 competitions. I am also extremely concerned about us degenerating to the status of feeder club like Ajax, which would be disasterous for the club. I just want to realistically assess our options for SUSTAINENCE through these thin times.
You are right about not giving in, but most of our personel are alright in my opinion except the defence. And i am refering to song because he is the best WE HAVE. Given the choice, believe me I would take the flamster over him anyday, but as I said he is the best we got.
Alex, all said, there is a certain presence missing in the team to put all the talent and qualities and pull it through. I desperately hope I am wrong!! we will see!!
Maybe its just me but these days I just miss RODDERS that much more!!
Anyway cheers mate!!
By: naga gunner on October 6, 2008
at 4:23 pm
I think you are definitley wrong, Naga
By: Frank on October 6, 2008
at 4:29 pm
Yogi!
Loved your reference to a certain “top 4″ team!
I understand where you are coming from about the games remaining. Lets hope for the best then!
Cheers!!
By: naga gunner on October 6, 2008
at 4:30 pm
ha ha ha.. Frank..
I hope so too!!
Cheers and up the guns!!
By: naga gunner on October 6, 2008
at 4:31 pm
its not just 3 bad results, its 4 years without a trophy. every single bad result in 4 years has to be included. you cant just wipe the slate clean.
clearly some people on this blog can go year after year of not expecting Arsenal to win anything despite having a top notch squad.
well I cant. Wenger has created expectations and has provided us with a squad that i think is at least equal to Chelsea’s as the best in the premier league. If wenger cannot acheive simple victories with the best squad then he is doing something wrong.
you cant blame sunderland playing defensively or the rain. both are pathetic excuses. wenger got he shape wrong this time. OK it happens. But at what point does wenger run out of lives? does he ever run out? the board would never sack wenger, but he would go if he felt he’d made enough mistake and lost enough fans’ support.
I am behind wenger, but I think if we have a season of failure, with a squad as strong as this, then questions will be asked.
Results dont bother me as much as performances and there have now been 3 unacceptably poor performances (remember we were 30 seconds from defeat on saturday). I think we only had 3 this poor in ALL of last season. why is this happening? you only have to watch those 3 games to realise why we wont be premier league champions. Its not being negative, its just being realistic. It doesn’t require us to stick at it and hope things turn around it needs a realisation from Wenger that I just see happening any time this season, let alone now.
I dont want to compare us to other teams, but I just believe WE can do better.
By: gazzap on October 6, 2008
at 4:50 pm
gazzap
>every single bad result in 4 years has to be included
Why? How many of the current first team were here when the 2004/05 started? How many were senior players? Holding a mistake against someone from that time ago, unless it is a clearly identifiable pattern is an ill-thought out path to follow. More witchhunt than rationale debate.
Presumably though every achievement in the preceding decade will be taken into consideration.
>clearly some people on this blog can go year after year of not expecting Arsenal to win anything despite having a top notch squad.
well I cant
Some people may be more patient than yourself. It is not a reason to dismiss them.
>But at what point does wenger run out of lives? does he ever run out? the board would never sack wenger, but he would go if he felt he’d made enough mistake and lost enough fans’ support. I am behind wenger, but I think if we have a season of failure, with a squad as strong as this, then questions will be asked.
Blimey Guv, I should imagine Arsene would prefer to see you in front of him, showing both palms denying you the opportunity to hide the knife.
Let’s get a grip. The season has barely started; The PL is not out of reach – what would you prefer a wobble now or in March? Europe – 4pts out of 6.
Is it all over?
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on October 6, 2008
at 5:07 pm
gazzap, it’s 3 years, not 4 — yes, I know, the FA cup is a mickey mouse cup to some, but to me, it’s still a trophy worth mentioning.
By: NYmarcus on October 6, 2008
at 5:09 pm
“what would you prefer a wobble now or in March?”
– this is what I’m holding on to, hoping that we’re getting our bad performances out of the way now and will be flying in March.
By: NYmarcus on October 6, 2008
at 5:10 pm
The thing is that the Invincibles were the finished article, with brilliant mature players riding their peak.
We now have a squad, fuller of very high quality (& young)players, 3 – 5 years from their peak & for most of them a further 5 or more years at the top.
There is every possibility of winning things, this season because it is only just starting for real & unless true disaster strikes we shall just have to wait until Christmas to see where we are.
The likelihood is that it may still be too soon, mainly because Chelsea look like they are peaking this season & will set some target to beat.
The fact remains that good things are worth waiting for & it is such a shame that a large number of Arsenal fans are not capable of just enjoying the great football we are capable of playing & just show some patience when it doesn’t go quite right.
Gazzap, your 4.50 post is arrogant nonsense, not worthy of you.
We are very very good right now & with the right support can only improve. The potential is for our best ever years but weak support can destroy all of that.
By: Flint McCullough on October 6, 2008
at 6:00 pm
Flint you are a star…and you too YW
By: Frank on October 6, 2008
at 6:04 pm
The people saying we lost the title already are assuming that Chel$ki, Man Ure, and Liverpool will wipe the floor with Arsenal based on a couple of games we lost, not learning from history that Man Ure was crap in the beginning of last season, but then they won it at the end.
We can beat the lot, but it seams to me that Wenger now has more options than what he had last year and he has to find the right combination for the each game. This team selection worked for Bolton, with the exception of RVP. If it was me, I would play RVP every other game since he’s always one step away from injury. Give Bendtner the chance, or even Vela who holds the ball better and may be useful in those away games.
No need to chop any one’s head really!
By: Gunner4Ever on October 6, 2008
at 6:12 pm
Trouble is G4E we would not have beaten Bolton or scored the equaliser on Saturday without RvP. Just becuse he was injured last year does not mean he will be injured this year.
By: Frank on October 6, 2008
at 6:46 pm
I must agree with gunner X and G4E that for once we have the resources to cope with any changes that we may need to make in terms of personnel within the team. All this talk of buying a DM in the January window is just not realistic. And how many players bought in the January transfer window make an impact to the rest of the season anyway.
Yes it was a puzzling selection by Wenger were rather than playing to our strengthss we played right into Sunerlands game plan to defend and hit us on the break. We still showed enough character to fight it out for thepoint and it could have been a very different outcome had “Walcottgate” resulted in an allowed goal. Then we wouldnt be havin this discussion. I think its too early to start rubbishing the RVP and Ade partnership.We definitely need to work on being more clinical with set pieces because more often than not we are getting lots of corners but not capitalising on them.
So Man Ure, Chelski and Liverpool had a good wknd but thats not a reason to despair is it.
I think finishing strongly will be more important. Last season we were 12 points ahead of chelsea and 8 points ahead of Man Ure at some point after they both made indifferent starts but both finished stronger in the New Year. Thats what we need from this team. I certainly feel more confident that we are capable of this.We r never outplayed by top 4 teams anyway no matter what they are doing. We just have to get more clinical in burying the chances.
By: Gooner4Life on October 6, 2008
at 6:47 pm
“The potential is for our best ever years but weak support can destroy all of that.”
Utter nonsense. So some fans’ frustrations and doubts will destroy whatever success this team may achieve. Please. Give me a break.
By: NYmarcus on October 6, 2008
at 6:47 pm
It looks like Bischoff is getting a game for the reserves tonight. If fit, he could yet prove handy. He models his game on Xavi and can come in off the flanks Rosicky-style.
I know that doesn’t mean much – I model myself on Carlos Valderrama, but the blonde bifro hasn’t improved my skills a great deal.
By: Big Al on October 6, 2008
at 6:50 pm
Frank
“RVP did not play at Bolton”
By: Gunner4Ever on October 6, 2008
at 6:59 pm
No I realised when I wrote it..but why take RvP out of the side..he is probably our best player.
By: Frank on October 6, 2008
at 7:00 pm
Gazzap you seem to be forgetting the 16 years when Arsenal never won a League crown between 1972 and 1988 How did you cope?A true genius as is Wenger is never appreciated in his time. We will be talking about him long after he is gone and only then fully appreciate what he has done for this club. There was no silverware at OT for 3 years, talk of Fergie getting the sack. But he always new that his team would be ready to take up the challenge one day.Who had the last laugh there.
By: Gooner4Life on October 6, 2008
at 7:05 pm
I didn’t say sell him Frank or take him out of the side forever
I just said rest him in away games. I love RVP and I think he is one of the most talented players, he has a huge future ahead of him.
What I was trying to say, is if you take him away from the goal and put him on the Left side, you lost about %80 of his effectiveness. In this case Nasri or Vela would have been probably better.
By: Gunner4Ever on October 6, 2008
at 7:30 pm
Maybe Gazzap wants a Ramos to take us to the bottom of the table?
By: Gunner4Ever on October 6, 2008
at 7:32 pm
Let me add my two cents.
No matter what you do in life you have to stay true to your core values, in this match we obviously did not by the line up. You can always adjust a little bit but when you change too much you will be ineffective. If we need to be more defensive, the only change that was necessary to me was to play Song instead of Denilson (I know this had been said). I love Arsenes way of managing but it hurts that we did not play our way and still drew anyway! Nasri/Vela needed to be in the team not Denilson and Song, This fact is quite dissapointing.
I have another take on the problems of our team, I do not buy this missing Flamini arguement because this is not were we are mainly failing, it is in the goalscoring department – how can you win if your strikers do not put the ball in the back of the net? regardless of how good defensively we would like the team to be. Another thing is when you play poorer teams and are not putting them under any pressure by scoring, they grow in confidence.
Anyway, I believe a problem is that these players actually know how good they are and it is getting in the way of the effort. You see Arsenal was not expected to do anything last season but proved critics of both the opposition and many of us fans wrong. This year they know they have the ability to beat anyone so the hunger of proving people wrong is not there as much, they are extremely confident in their ablilities. I aslo think that overly good results cause this team to become satisfied as though they can turn it on because we beat Potro badly – its all mental and not at all physical as many are making out to be (to me at least). We have to squad to take the world by storm.
My answer to our problem is that we are lacking leadership, I am not saying Gallas but the whole team is too comfortabe with the fact that we play nice ball but have not added the emotion and desire to play as if their life depends on it.
maybe Im wrong but its what I think!
I am not at all doom and gloom – and people, no team has ben overly convincing yet, so get a grip, please!
Arsenal for the title still! I just believe that this side will add the mental fire to the beautiful football they play – Im very confident that the best is yet to come!!!
God Bless!!!
By: Paul N on October 6, 2008
at 8:03 pm
Are you guys watching the reserve game with Stoke? Bischoff and Silvestre are playing (Bischoff was just taken off after a few mins. in the 2nd half). The Stoke guys are freaking MUTANT GIANTS!! It’s a joke! They’re like a baskgetball and rugby team combined. They can’t get the ball. They don’t need to, all they need do defend, defend, defend and nick a goal. Which they just did with an equalizer.
By: NYmarcus on October 6, 2008
at 8:25 pm
Hi NYmarcus, I’m watching exactly how you see it
Those Stoke players are playing with the “Stupid Giant” mentality. I hope Wilshere will not get injured. One of them already sent off.
I liked Coquelin, he looks like another good player Wenger snatched for pretty much nothing.
By: Gunner4Ever on October 6, 2008
at 8:30 pm
G4E, yeah, the more I see Coquelin the more I think this guy is a very serious contender for a first teamer, and not too far off either. Wilshere’s just a pleasure to watch, amazing how he shows no intimidation by these hulks. Depressing to see a club in England’s top flight so entirely focused on building teams of Hulks with little footballing ability.
By: NYmarcus on October 6, 2008
at 8:35 pm
3-2 yaay
I hear ya NYmarcus, I guess that’s the poor man’s team…just huge players who left weights more than play with a football, but what can we do? It’s the Rugby mentality that’s hard to separate from Football in England.
I think in English football world to show you are man enough, you have to break a leg or two.
By: Gunner4Ever on October 6, 2008
at 8:45 pm
Great goal by Rui Fonte — and great opportunist play from him too.
By: NYmarcus on October 6, 2008
at 8:50 pm
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By: Muppet on October 6, 2008
at 8:53 pm
I’m slowly starting to see what Randall’s about. He’s a very elegant player (in a platonic way of course!), but he’s strong in the tackle as well. It’s just a matter of time before Jack’s a regular I think.
It’d be great to see a few more of these youngsters make the grade, but I’ve been fooled so many times before. I was certain Lupoli, Quincy and David Bentley would at least be good enough to play for prem-standard teams.
By: Big Al on October 6, 2008
at 9:01 pm
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By: Big Al on October 6, 2008
at 9:06 pm
Big Al, Randall was MoTM in the Sheff Utd game…in my humble opinion.
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By: Frank on October 6, 2008
at 10:09 pm
“The hesistation that is around the club is surfacing onto the pitch and into the tactics.”
Chris GOONA, these are the most telling words amongst the plethora of words on today’s comments! The fear of losing is becoming upper most rather than the desire to win and we all know this team is at it’s best when they play ‘without the handbrake on’. Hopefully Arsene will not make that mistake again and go back to what we do best. I really think it would help the team if the fans just supported them and relaxed with this attitude that they are completely worthless unless they win every game in style by a hatful of goals, whilst preventing the opposition from creating any chances. Even when we win there are non-stop complaints. Last season Ade scored 30 goals and that was still not enough for some people. Do you really think the players don’t know about this? Don’t you think they pick up on the moans and groans anytime something they try doesn’t come off? As supporters we really only have one job to do, support the team (however you feel about individual players). Show some confidence in the team, they will feed off that confidence and you will be rewarded by consistent, winning performances.
By: Passenal on October 6, 2008
at 10:11 pm
Big Al, Randall was MoTM in the Sheff Utd game…in my humble opinion.
US contingent…Stoke City are a venerable club..and we are Arsenal and have class. Please try to remember…..and the word ‘freaking’ doesn’t really exist in England. If you mean ‘fcuking’ then just say it.
(sorry I forgot we adults are not allowed to use expletives, my orginal comment is of course being moderated. What a society of children we are becoming).
By: Frank on October 6, 2008
at 10:14 pm
My first impressions of Bischoff is that he is another creative passer more than a dribbler or driver. He went periods without much of the ball but having said that the team were a little crap at keeping the ball during parts of the game.
Wilshere was man of the match, always probing and trying to create openings.
Coquelin looks some player to me. Everytime I have seen him, he has impressed me.
Wasn’t a great game overall to be honest. Would like to see a fitter Bischoff at a higher level.
By: arsenalvision on October 6, 2008
at 10:41 pm
Hey Frank,
“We the people” the American contingent use the word freaking so our comments doesn’t get moderated like yours.
The England contingent wants to go for the ball & the man, we here just want to go for the ball. That’s metaphorically speaking of course.
By: Gunner4Ever on October 6, 2008
at 10:45 pm
I disagree arsenalvision – we started tentatively and had to ride a few meaty challenges in order to win the right to play our game, but our players never gave up and began to impose themselves more and more as the game wore on. Not every game is going to be flowing and full of neat passing and clear cut opportunities, but overall I thought it was a good game for a reserve match against a physical team like Stoke. There had been a lot of changes to the Arsenal side and as you say Bischoff showed some promising play, but is not yet fit enough to draw conclusions about his overall quality. Like you I was impressed by Coquelin and by Wilshere’s ability to ride the rough stuff and still impose himself on the game.
By: Passenal on October 6, 2008
at 10:48 pm
I agree Passenal, not every game can be free flowing I just felt like we gave the ball away more than we needed to. It is good for the likes of Wilshere to be on the end of tackles like he faced today to get him ready for the first team in the next year or two.
I thought it was interesting to hear before the game that the Arsenal boys think they are better than they are (talking about the 4-1 defeat to Villa) according to reserve boss Neil Bandfield.
Sounds like the attitude goes right through the Arsenal set up.
By: arsenalvision on October 6, 2008
at 10:55 pm
G4E, my belief is that football is an art form and my favorite players have been Liam Brady and Dennis Bergkamp, I probably would have liked Alex James too but I am too young to have seen him . I like flair players but particularly those with great skill and an understanding of the three dimensional spaces on a football pitch. LB and DB had those attributes. RvP has those attibutes and Nic Bendtner might have them.I also like innovators and Herbert Chapman and Arsene Wenger are two of the greatest innovators in football. I like risk takers too and Henry Norris and David Dein were the most successful risk takers our club has known. I like the football traditions but not as barrier to progress. I want to see more Africans in top European leagues because I think it may help them. But I can’t stand words like freakin, feckin, smeg..they get on my fcuking ttis.
By: Frank on October 6, 2008
at 10:59 pm
“fcuking” is not an English word either
By: Gunner4Ever on October 6, 2008
at 11:25 pm
It was Song who should have made the tackle on whitbeer(whatever the name was). But instead he kicked him like a little girl, before “whatever his name for and im too tired to check it out” took a shot!! He is so lathargic. Never seen him sprint back to get a ball, always jogging.
Good post Muppet. It’s been a while you coming up with such posts.
By: Ateeb on October 6, 2008
at 11:30 pm
If only Coquelin was a couple years older. His energy is fantastic and would up the tempo to our ‘lazy’ days.
By: arsenalvision on October 6, 2008
at 11:33 pm
‘Fcuking’ is a deliberately misspelt English word, G4E. ‘Freaking’ is a different word, spelled correctly.
By: Frank on October 6, 2008
at 11:33 pm
Are you a Setanta commentator, Ateeb?
By: Frank on October 6, 2008
at 11:35 pm
Almost made it.
What? Song did try to kick him from behind like a little girl. It’s quite funny in the replay. Just stating the fact, there can be no discussion on this. See the replay and let me know if you disagree. And if you still disaggree, then watch it again and again, untill you start agreeing with me.
By: Ateeb on October 6, 2008
at 11:39 pm
I can’t remember my little girl ever trying to kick me from behind, Ateeb
By: Frank on October 6, 2008
at 11:52 pm
Ateeb, Song could not risk kicking the player because he had already been booked for no good reason. Getting sent off and missing up coming games would have been no use to the team.
By: Passenal on October 7, 2008
at 8:42 am
“I thought it was interesting to hear before the game that the Arsenal boys think they are better than they are (talking about the 4-1 defeat to Villa) according to reserve boss Neil Bandfield.”
To be fair Arsenal Vision, Neil said ’some’ players. I do think the hype of the Sheffield win got to some of them, but they are young so they will learn not to get too high with the highs or too low with the lows. Some fans could do with learning that lesson too!
By: Passenal on October 7, 2008
at 8:46 am