So the Champions League sees jaunts to Portugal, Turkey and Kiev. As is usual, the away trips fall into a less than helpful fixture schedule. Kiev is the filling in the trips to Blackburn and Bolton sandwich; Fenerbahce and Porto immediately before West Ham and Middlesbrough play hosts. It is the same as previous seasons and will no doubt be repeated in the future. At least the Kiev journey of all is in times when the weather will be less inclement than previous sojourns to the Ukraine. Fenerbahce though are the dark horses. The combination of a big hostile crowd, the longest journey and a tactically astute manager mean that this is the fixture that may prove most difficult to negotiate.
It is a group that is emminently winnable and I do not subscribe to the view postulated by PHW that the home form will be all important. It alwayshas been, is and will be but of equal importance is to not field a Carling Cup side until qualification is ensured. Of course, the only way to do that is to make sure that everyone is fit which can be in the hands of the Gods.
Danny Fiszman moved into positive PR mode yesterday, stating categorically that if Arsene wanted a player for £30m then he could buy him. It is a soothing finger for those who want ‘big names’, the carrot for media speculation and a stick with which Red & White get beaten over the head. The money has nothing much to do with why Arsene has not signed according to Fiszman,
If we were to buy star names, you are talking about relatively mature players who need to be integrated into the way Arsene plays. They don’t know our style and it also impacts on the youngsters who’ve been brought through
I am not sure that I buy into this totally. Any world-class player – for that is what you expect for such transfer fees – ought to have little problem adapting to the style of play, irrespective of age. More often, the problem will be settling off the pitch which is where perhaps Arsene’s reticence to spend huge sums comes from. Baptista, Reyes and Hleb have all cited something about London that they do not like, be it wet, cold or just unfriendly. However, that adaptability is part of the scouting process and does not hold true for some as much as it does for others.
The fundamental problem is that Arsene does not like to pay over the odds. In this instance, if Barry and Alonso were true targets, there is some merit. However, the market dictates the price and there is little evidence of the money in football drying up to force prices down.
As important, if not more, is the pay structure. Fiszman’s point about the size of the wages bill is a red herring if it is based on the accounts. For example, we do not know how many employees United or Chelsea have off the pitch by comparison. The crucial thing is the ‘equality’ within the players wages. If the band is narrow compared to others, as Fiszman says, you do get the team ethos but you also approach a point whereby the structure has to be broken to retain the best players.
For Arsenal though, high salaries have rarely been paid since the turn of the century to new signings. Those who do, for example, Campbell cost nothing. Everyone else has to earn their corn and there is nothing wrong in that so long as the cob is made bigger when required, something that has happened for exceptional players. Long may that continue. The flip side is that you miss out on some players who feel they have made their elsewhere and are looking for the big payday. Not signing the ‘mature’ professional sidesteps that issue.
Gael Clichy will obviously not be using The Emirates this summer to resit any GCSE’s as he has proved he has enough nous to get by in life, irrespective of qualifications. And also being generally supportive of your captain through holding up your own mistakes as an example. Getting on the right side of supporters is also a good idea,
It was a big disappointment for the fans to see what happened during the summer but Ade is a big, big player; last year, he showed he has the quality to be one of the best in Europe, so we just have to be behind him. I am sure if he starts scoring goals and in December, he is on 15-20 goals, everything will be fine
And who says players are out of touch?
’til Tomorrow.























May I repost the comment that got stuck into moderation yesterday (considering no one will have read my reply as there’s now a new blog)? I’ll take that for a yes. Good work as always, Yogi.
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Muppet: I don’t think swearing is a problem in itself. The problem with blogs like le grove (or the comments section on gunnerblog for example) is that they insult the manager, the team, the players, they say everyone is rubbish, shit, a cunt (these words are not the problem, it’s how they use them)… constantly. That is very stupid if you ask me, and that is what some people consider “freedom of speech”. It’s almost impossible to debate rationally in this atmosphere, unless you have A LOT of free time, patience and energy, which I currently don’t. So these people go on and on and fuel each other up and every day it keeps getting worse. It’s all a self fulfilling prophecy. They are not realistic at all in their expectations, and when something goes wrong they then say: “see? I told you so! The club is shit, Wenger knows nothing bla bla bla bla”. It’s a circular logic and Arsenal has to win doubles and trebles just to stop it for a while. But this will set the bar higher and so this people will want even more, and it will be considered a failure if we don’t become the most powerful team in the world for example. This is, in my opinion, a consequence of the times in which we are living. Constant, pointless competition just to be top of the pile in every aspect of life, just for the sake of it, for the sake of accumulation of money and power. As ordinary people can’t of course do this (not all of us own Microsoft, or are Rupert Murdoch), they want their football team to do it for them, so as to have bragging rights with their “mates”, and make up for their frustration. The colective spirit of sport is being destroyed.
By: Non EdibleNacho on August 29, 2008
at 9:45 am
what a group..!!!… 3 places that most teams would hate to go… and we get all 3 of them, typical!!
we can beat all 3 teams at home quite easily in my eyes if we aint having a shitter like at Fulham.
NICE POST by the way
By: chris GOONA on August 29, 2008
at 9:59 am
“If we were to buy star names, you are talking about relatively mature players who need to be integrated into the way Arsene plays. They don’t know our style and it also impacts on the youngsters who’ve been brought through..” That is what Fiszman said.
For that reason alone, what it means is that we don’t buy star names, and hence we don’t spend the 30m. Actually I think the 30m pounds available is a contradiction and does not exist. AW will not gonna use it. It may be just a gimmick to all other bigger clubs to treat us with some respect. We are saying, “Yes, we are a selling club, but not a really selling club, we have the cash, you know!” What kind of crap are we hearing!
Year in year out, we hear we have the cash, but AW is always blamed for not spending. Wake up, in reality, we DO NOT have the cash. For eg, AW said we were so close to getting Cristiano Ronaldo in the past, but why did we fail? Its the lack of money, my dear Watson.
Talk is cheap. Like they say, Show me the money. It may be too late for this season or next. AW and the Board knows we can never beat Chelsea or Man Utd to the Premiership and the CL for the next 3 or 4 seasons. So why spend esp when we don’t have the money? Better to reduce debt. Trick is to spend it when Chelsea and MU are on their way down. In the meantime, just make sure we qualify for the CL every season. So we fans should bide our time, the glory years are coming. But when Chelsea and MU are on their way down, others will come up, like who knows it may be Fulham (ouch!), and no one wants to come to Arsenal cos we are a mid-table club.
So we gotta give it to AW. He is manning a tight ship and waiting for the right wave to ride into the sunset in glory. The right wave might not come, and the wrong wave will send us down. Touch wood! In the meantime, be satisfied with CL football every season. Anything less is a failure.
By: KLVon on August 29, 2008
at 10:11 am
If what Fitzman says is true and there are funds to spend top class players where does that leave Wenger? If we finish 4th and trophyless the accusation will be put to Wenger why didnt you spend the money which was available.By making this statement Fitzman is switching the blame of faliure on Wenger and not the board.Wenger has to come out now and say what Fitzman say is the truth.
By: The Mole on August 29, 2008
at 10:14 am
Porto was one of the easier draws from pot 2 but then we got pretty much the hardest 2 teams from pots 3 and 4. not just the quality of those teams but the difficulty in going to those stadiums, the distances travelled and the effect those games will have on the premier league games after.
ideally you’d want to play dutch, french and scandinavian teams (see Chelsea and Liverpool groups!).
If we win it we certainly will have done it the hard way.
I have never doubted that Arsene has had plenty of money to spend. the board and arsene are very consistent in their claims that money is there. there is no way in the world Fizsman would have said that yesterday if it weren’t true. Imagine how much it would annoy wenger if it wasn’t – even if wenger had accepted there was no money.
I think wenger wants to keep a kitty aside for a rainy day. if he blows £30m now, what if we lose Ade and Cesc next summer and need desperately to replace them? without that kitty, we may only have £5m to spend ie nowhere near enough to replace big players. Wenger is simply being sensible and will spend if he feels he needs to and if the right player becomes available.
us fans would buy a player because we in panic mode but wenger only buys a player that he has propertly assessed and feels can add something significant to what we already have. Even if he does not buy, we have to get behind wenger. We may not agree with everything the club do, but as fans we have to get behind the club – I am getting a little fed up of the sniping currently and cannot wait for the transfer window to close as I think it will all calm down a bit on the blogs (even if we dont buy anyone else).
By: gazzap on August 29, 2008
at 10:18 am
N EN your comment is a little bit elitist if you ask me – not everyone is able to express themselves as eloquently as you. People post in the style in which they speak in everyday life; are you saying that Arsenal fans who are by their very nature pessimistic and maybe who swear, should not be allowed to vent their frustrations with the team on a blog?
And as for ‘competition to be top of the pile’, umm forgive me for my stupidity but isn’t being top of the pile the point of competition? Virtually every UK Olympic athlete interviewed over the past few weeks has said that you have to believe you can WIN or else there is no point entering a competition. And this at the Olympics, the supposed festival of the ’spirit of sport’ as you put it.
By and large, Arsenal fans expect to win things – why? Because our manager does. Over the last decade we have grown accustomed to winning things, and we all KNOW that our squad contains players of sufficient quality TO win things. The frustration comes when we don’t use the resources at our disposal to reinforce our chances of winning things, as per today’s post.
And finally people like you who tar an entire blog community with the same brush, are JUST as bad as those who call Eboue shit without having properly watched him play. If you actually read the whole of the blogs/comments you so readily criticise, you would see that there is an entire cross-section of Arsenal fans with a range of opinions. The difference between them and yourself, is that they are prepared to exist alongside that range of opinions, whereas you sir are clearly not.
By: seb on August 29, 2008
at 10:21 am
All
Ref other opinions. The writers of blogs are giving their opinion on matters, put a lot of effort into it and a considerable amount of time. Before criticising others, bear that in mind.
If you disagree with their viewpoint, might I suggest doing so without having a pop at them in forum messages – email them, constructively pointing out your views and try to persuade through strength of argument rather than cheap point scoring which achieves nothing.
As for the ’sheep’ mentality inside the ground that criticism of the club is supposed to engender, that is a trait of humanity collectively. Only through a wider, more vocal support can you dampen down irrational behaviour.
Can we move back to the subject of Arsenal today please.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on August 29, 2008
at 10:29 am
Mole
I don’t think Wenger needs to say anything. I suspect that the Press Office or Fiszman would have warned him what was said beforehand or immediately afterwards. Anything that is said now will be ‘Corporate’ and nothing will come forth that shows dissent. To do so would be folly, only fuelling a media ‘war’ for hits and sales.
No-one has the right to expect the footballing equivalent of hari-kari from Wenger. If there is a dispute between Wenger and the Board – a world of difference between dispute and debate – would you rather read about it on the back pages or it be kept in-house and dealt with?
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on August 29, 2008
at 10:35 am
We should be challenging every year, and we have been.. last year we should have taken the title against all the odds and opinions of specialist pundits. Wenger is doing an amazing job… 1 loss at Fulham doesnt change anything, was just a bad day at the office.
We as fans are not helping one bit.. the booing, jeering.. and general pessimism amongst us makes me feel sick. I always normally look forward to the season… and i im still excited becos i know this team can achieve great things, BUT … only if we let them
Seriously guys.. we need to get behind the team, thats how we done so well last season.
By: chris GOONA on August 29, 2008
at 10:37 am
I made a comment yesterday or the day before, that Its Wenger that doesnt spend. The board has never denied him money. For some reason he has never really broken the bank on a single player…And I think it comes down to the fact that he is under no pressure from the board. If you look at the other teams spending big amounts of money, ask yourself why? Because they want quick results and believe the best way to achieve that is buy spending 20 million on a player all because he has done well in some other team for the last couple of seasons.
Its still surprising though that when Wenger knows there is a weakness in the squad, one certain position, he is not inclined to just go for the best possible player he can
By: Frichie on August 29, 2008
at 10:39 am
I must be incredibly naive because I actually believe Danny Fiszman when he says there is £30m available if required.
Also, I am prepared to trust Arsene to spend it or not according to his judgement. It’s his decision and based on his record so far in unearthing hidden talent at bargain prices, I am prepared to leave it to him. We fans only know a small fraction of what actually goes on in the marketplace – one day Arsene will be able to write a fascinating book – and my memory of the barren years at Highbury is still sufficiently fresh to know that people like Arsene Wenger only come along once in a lifetime.
If that sounds like blind faith – it is! Before anyone rushes to remind me of Arsene’s errors – and there have of course been a few – judge him overall and I do not think there is one fan, at least on this blog, who honestly thinks that Arsene isn’t the best manager we have ever had and is still capable of winning the silverware we all covet.
Changing the subject did anyone else notice the basic error by Gallas the other night? I’m surprised it hasn’t been commented on so far. When exchanging club pennants with Twente’s captain he solemnly handed over his water bottle instead, by mistake – honest! Hilarious! – well I thought so…..
By: Kelsey Skirton on August 29, 2008
at 10:45 am
LOL, well the whole twente team did look like ‘water carriers’ all night.
By: Frichie on August 29, 2008
at 10:47 am
If we take what Fiszman said as true, then the only possible scenarios are that Arsene Wenger has not found the players he wants at a price he is prepared to pay. Alternatively, Arsene thinks we have enough to win the CL and League with what we have, or there is money but it is being held back for a rainy day.
It seems odd that AW cannot find a central midfield player having had nearly 4 months to do so and having lost 3 players in this position. He has one of the best scouting networks in the world and still no player in sight. We can “spend £30m on 1 player” yet we haven’t. Why are we unable to spend money on much-needed players?
We keep on balancing the books and trying to save any money we can. Our actions are not consistent with a club who has money to burn as we are told.
Something still does not totally add up
By: Alex Ice Cream on August 29, 2008
at 10:54 am
I would say that we dont have a clear partner for cesc in midfield. No single player can say he has done enough to claim that spot.
If denilson were demoted to 3rd choice behind a new signing surely he cannot complain. Tell me what other club will come in and bid for Denilson based on his performances for Arsenal. None will. Denilson is our second most experienced central midfielder after Cesc. all our other central midfielders are less experienced than him.
sorry this is not an attack on Den, but I could have mentioned any name Diaby, Song or Eboue.
OK so Ramsey and Coquelin are good buys but dont tell me 17 year olds are going to run a top premier league midfield for a season.
I’m wondering whether Bischoff is seen as the true replacement. For me he is the genuine unknown who could pop up and surprise us all. He is 6 weeks away from fitness – is that too long?
and when you take Cesc out of the midfield, any other pair you put together looks weak compared with what the other top 4 clubs can field. The long trips in europe and 2 games a week in the Autumn are going to really put a strain on the midfield. its physically the hardest position on the pitch and we just lack the strength in depth for that position. Everytime wenger decides to use an inexperienced midfielder in a big game, its a gamble. He took the gamble against Fulham and it didn’t come off. It wont come off on many other occassions as well. Thats the trouble with inexperience – its inconsistent.
I agree with YW that we NEED another experience quality player in midfield. without it come October we could be in serious trouble. 3 days to go.
By: gazzap on August 29, 2008
at 11:19 am
Apparently ‘Matt’ wasn’t available as a wordpress user name so i am now ‘mlwafc’.
I probably sound like a broken record, but if only we would sign a centre midfielder, i would be so much more optimistic for the season.
3 days to go, come on Arsene…. please…….
By: mlwafc on August 29, 2008
at 11:26 am
I agree completely… nobody doubts Wengers talented youngsters.. but last year they had the aid of Gilberto, Lehmann, Hleb, Flamini who are all relatively experienced. This year they be better equipped technically, but we need that bit of experience to take us throught those tricky moments in games.
By: chris GOONA on August 29, 2008
at 11:31 am
@Non Edible Echo,
Thanks for your response. I agree, but we will have to leave it there. YW wants to move on to football topics, and I respect that view.
By: Muppet on August 29, 2008
at 11:39 am
AIC,
I agree. Its most like when Wenger says balance the books, he literally means not going in to the Red on transfer dealings even if we can afford to.
I’m always inclined to trust Wenger on anything football but like you say something isnt quite right. Is it really this principaled approach that he has against the ‘financial doping’ of Chelski?
I hope not.
By: TopGunPires on August 29, 2008
at 11:40 am
YOGI A very balanced report, about the finances and salaries which if any of us alleged traitors said we would be accused of doom.
The whole PR machine of AFC needs overhauling constantly trotting out players to keep the fans calm, and as ALEX says if we have got 30 million we could have got 2 good players for that since the end of last season, even Fizzy knows the squad is not strong enough Blacburn then Kiev then Bolton you need a lot of strength, and its not a time for Denilson a s a starter.
If we dont sign anybody experienced by Monday I and most supporters will be very pissed off if later in the season we blame our problems to injuires and that we are “a little short”.
I have looked at the dreaded LE Grove sight and although they spout a lot of foul language rubbish, they bring up all WEngersxxxx comments as do most other blogs, and which when mentioned here create havoc.
LETS FACE IT WENGER IS A DICTATOR AND WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT. HE HAS BEEN GREAT, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN HE CAN WALK ON WATER FOREVER, I HOPE BY MONDAY WE HAVE ALL CALMED DOWN AND DO HAVE GOOD NEWS
By: solgooner on August 29, 2008
at 11:40 am
This grueling CL group reinforces the need to bring in a top CM. Arguably, one who can help the team cope without CESC as we will need to rest him on occassions this season. We have tough away games in the PL sandwiched between the CL games where we need more prescence
Gazzap is right – Our second midfielder, Denilson is light (I am not saying that he has no quality but needs more time and 15-20 games more this season, which he will get even if we sign another CM so he can bed in and we can better assess him). Flamini and Hleb were bought because they were among our best players – simple as that.
As stated, Wenger has had 3 months to do something on a signing / signings. If he does not and we suffer for it, he is creating a big problem for himself. This idea that as you near teh end of teh transfer window, bargains become available, is debatable. If anything, clubs with a desperate need end up being squezed for more – see Robinho to Chelsea (not that it matters to them)
By: AlanG on August 29, 2008
at 11:48 am
I think you change the ethos of the side when you put in a big name. If Arsene buys one big name, it’d be a mismatch. Remember how, getting rid of Henry brought the best out of the team?
On the other hand, once you make the decision to start buying ready-made stars, then you destroy your strategy of building players to play the Arsenal way.
I think our biggest strength is the way we play. Our team justifies the £££s we pay to be entertained by them. So that’s a very important consideration.
By: Ole Gunner on August 29, 2008
at 11:59 am
OLE no one wants a big name Sagna wasnt a big name we just want an experienced player not another teenager unless its Messi or Bojan.
Our biggest strength is the way we play, if we can play it for a whole season and end up with some reward and not be exhausted by the end of March.
Any players that comes in adapts to the Arsenal way as did Sagna, and as is Nasri.
By: solgooner on August 29, 2008
at 12:14 pm
gazzap,
I also feel we need another central midfielder. Experience is not in my mind an absolute neccesity, but would be nice. However, if you can find a 21 year old monster Essien junior, I’ll take it above an overrated over-priced 27/28 year old cruiser, the likes of who we have been linked too. Besdies, I trust the boss completely, if he signs someone they’ll be better than the names we have been linked to.
Where I do disagree, is that if that signing does not arrive. Will we be in serious trouble? Not nessescarily! If Diaby or Song make the nest step we’ll get by!
By: Danny on August 29, 2008
at 12:31 pm
AW often talks about balance but our central midfield equation is anything but.
AW often says that we have a number of players in this position Diaby, Denilson and now Ramsey, Bischoff and Coquelin but this was the same last season when we also had Diarra, Gilberto and Flamini who have now left.
Denilson didn’t play last year, Diaby did bit on the wing, so they didn’t really develop in this position. If Wenger thinks that Bishoff, Ramsey and Coquelin are ready to replace Gilberto, Diarra and Flamini this season the he is wrong, so where is the balance?
If Song played in CM then this could redress the balance somewhat. AW said that Song didn’t have the energy but with time running out to sign someone maybe Song will play there.
By: Alex Ice Cream on August 29, 2008
at 12:39 pm
Hi, KLVon
“AW said we were so close to getting Cristiano Ronaldo in the past, but why did we fail? Its the lack of money, my dear Watson.”
This one came down to personal factors. Portuguese Carlos Queiroz was able to persuade fellow Portuguese Ronaldo that he’d be better off at United.
@Non Edible Nacho
For the record, I agree as well!
@solgooner, Alex Ice Cream, TopGunPires
I think the whole spending question does make sense if you just accept that it’s Arsene making the decisions, not you.
Your reasoning seems to be that if you were in Arsene’s shoes and an extra £30 million was available, you would spend it; therefore if he does not spend the money, that must mean it’s not available. But HE wouldn’t necessarily spend it. Remember that anecdote that PHW or DF told, in which they said to Arsene, “What would you do if we gave you £100 million?” Arsene replied: “I would give it back to you.” To me, that says that he thinks that he shouldn’t need/wouldn’t want to spend that kind of money. He certainly seems to fund purchases with sales most of the time, usually at least breaks even or makes a profit.
We can debate as to whether or not he ought to spend, and on whom, but we can’t conclude that the money is not there – especially since DF can back up his claims with hard facts and the club’s accounts which are available to anyone to check, and which it is an offence to misrepresent.
Furthermore, Wenger explained recently that given the financial restrictions imposed by building the new stadium, he had made a virtue of a necessity in the last few years by training up kids for the team rather than buying in readymade players. He called it an “experiment” and he will see it through – in his mind, that might be another reason not to spend big on someone because he might feel that he has made a massive investment of training in a player already at the club, and wants to give that investment a chance to bear fruit.
Obviously, I don’t know for sure, just trying to say that for Arsene, the decision process may be more complicated than simply asking “can we afford X or not?”. He may not buy anyone, but it won’t be because the club can’t afford it. The stadium brings in a much a higher income than Highbury, even taking the debt repayments into account. The one-off costs of moving have been paid for, and if, (as I read that on another blog), the sales of the vast majority of the flats at Highbury have actually been completed at the original valuations, that would make a huge dent in the capital owed. Should appear in the next lot of full accounts. Basically, I don’t see any reason not to believe Fizsman when he says the board could back AW if he wanted to spend big.
By: FunGunner on August 29, 2008
at 12:41 pm
Nacho…
You and Obama in the same 12 hours – an excess of profundity!
Great post and analysis, thanks for the insights.
Blazon.
By: Blazon on August 29, 2008
at 12:56 pm
solgooner, the reason the players who come adapt is because Wenger tracks them, sometimes for years before it happens.
By: Ole Gunner on August 29, 2008
at 1:13 pm
I get this uncomfortable feeling that if Song was not an Arsenal player and we had just watched him play in the Olympics as an effective CB and DM we would be falling over ourselves trying to encourage the club to sign him.
It seems to me that Song is at the same stage of his international career as either Inler or Guzman, the difference being that they have had more playing time for their respective clubs, and therein lies the rub; we haven’t seen enough of Song in an Arsenal strip to know just how much he has improved, there by enabling us to gauge, whether or not, he is capable of taking the DM strain over the course of this season.
But let me be clear: I do not envisage the need for him to play every game, as Flamini did, just the ones against teams that try and come onto us, like Chelsea. In games against lesser opposition: teams that come to the Emirates to defend, it will almost certainly be more effective with the combination of Cesc and Rosicky or Cesc and Diaby or Cesc and Nasri or any combination of those three if Cesc is injured: the need obviously being to break down the opponents defence rather than bolstering our own.
There is still hope if Wenger decides not to spend on strengthening the midfield. My guess is still that he will not. In the mean time I really hope that Wenger plays Song as DM against Newcastle just behind Cesc; this will give us more of a measure as to how much he has improved.
By: London on August 29, 2008
at 1:18 pm
Yogi – I must take issue with your attempt, in my opinion, to discourage criticism of other bloggers via this forum. Quote: “If you disagree with their viewpoint, might I suggest doing so without having a pop at them in forum messages.” Frankly most of these bloggers , unlike your posters, discourage any reasoned argument that is contrary to theirs. They encourage vitriol and hysteria in their opposition to the longstanding policy of the club and its manager to pursue a policy of developing young players into a championship winning team rather than the knee-jerk response of most clubs to pay over the odds for players with big reputations. In fact these bloggers and their fellow-travelers are not reluctant to take repeated “pops” at Arsene Wenger and his players. While you may be reluctant to take on your fellow-bloggers, do not discourage posters from calling them out and exposing them as loudmouths and internet bullies.
By: shotta-gunna on August 29, 2008
at 1:18 pm
Gazzap, you may be right about hoarding the money for a rainy day, but if we slip out of the top three or fail to get through the group, it’s the equivalent of doing a rain dance.
Does anyone know what Bishoff’s injury is and how long he has had it?
I disagree with the implication in Yogi’s 10.35 comment that fan behaviour – booing or a half-empty stadium by 70 minute – are irrelevant to Arsenal. I’m not proposing an academic discussion of crowd psychology; nor do I think moaning about it is useful. But I do believe that some constructive suggestions and a commitment to follow them through would be the best thing that could emerge from sites such as this. A supportive atmosphere for Wenger and the players at home games could help the team more than an expensive new signing.
By: Mia on August 29, 2008
at 1:21 pm
This Wenger vs the board, spending vs not spending is kind of boring. The bottom line is that we as outsiders will never know. We can observe and then try to conclude and do our own little personal analysis. My 50 cents is that there IS money if Wenger really, really finds someone perfect (Nasri, Bacary, Edouardo and so on, all pretty expensive), but that the board would like it if he didnt spend, due to the stadium and rising wages and so on.
Gazzap, regarding our personal quest to bring Stephen Appiah to the club: http://www.stepapp.com/latest-blog1.html . Its his own blog, and the titel of this entry is “I am back, I am fit, and raring to stepapp”. Pretty interesting to read about why he became a free agent, and if what he writes is true; that he is 100%, I can not understand why Wenger doesnt do a little gamble and gives him a contract.
By: aintnobodyworryin on August 29, 2008
at 1:30 pm
as fizman said all you need to do is look at the financial statements to show they have money. NO ONE wenger included has ever said they don’t have money to spend. in fact wenger said the exact same thing last week, ie if i wanted a 30m player i could.
fans don’t want to believe it because they are either blind to it or don’t want to believe that wenger has well and truly lost the plot. ever since the emergence of chelsea and the money culture he has decided he wants to compete against them in an alternative way, ie buying young players and moulding them. the experiment has failed as was seen this summer when we failed to hold on to those players and will continue to fail as we will lose players every year, who want success and more money they can get elsewhere.
like it or not, we need a new manager who can adapt to the unfortunate changing money culture of modern footbal, because he is no longer living in the real world.
this is far and away the worst team ever under his reign and has NO chance of winning of the league. we are playing for top 4 and everyone knows it, wenger included.
it is unacceptable and sad that the board just go along, the one thing fizman said that was in correct was that they won”t accept second best and that is blatently incorrect, because we are not and have not been in the top two for the past three years, and no we didn’t nearly win the league last year. we did great but didn’t nearly win it.
By: dan on August 29, 2008
at 2:14 pm
Mia
I was not implying that booing inside the stadium is irrelevant, simply that someone does it, another follows and so on through an inability to come up with an original thought or comment of their own.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on August 29, 2008
at 2:21 pm
part of the booing is based on the fact that the majority of fans as are currently so disillusioned with what is going on at the club. if we were winning and playing well there would be no booing.
By: dan on August 29, 2008
at 2:31 pm
Shotta
I do not discourage anyone from airing their opinion, just that if you do it directly to the blogger, they might take more notice.
Use a forum to respond to criticism by posters or to a post but for a generic complaint about the blog, take it to the writer. It is more effective.
As for bullying, that is an emotive and subjective term. Each site has its own rules and moderation tripwires. At the end of the day though, if it is upsetting you why read it?
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on August 29, 2008
at 2:33 pm
Wenger said today “There is a long time to go. Already there has been an acceleration; every half an hour there is a headline that someone has signed somebody.
“Will we sign someone? Maybe or maybe not, it’s as simple as that. We are out to look, if we find the right players maybe one we will, but I think we should focus on our qualities.”
There are long trips involved, but we have the squad to cope with every problem we face in the season.”
not yet we dont Arsene.
aintnobodyworryin, I think I might try and email Wenger with that link. pointless I know but I want to feel that at least I tried.
By: gazzap on August 29, 2008
at 2:33 pm
I think some fans are genuinely disappointed that the club isn’t taking their hard earned £1000 season ticket money and building on what we had last season as opposed to ‘patching it up’.
Ebouie in the middle of the midfield????!!!!! For Christ Sake!!!!!
We’re blatantly in need of a midfield enforcer, end of… i’m one of the more tolerant fans on here but i have to admit to losing a little faith of late – unless we do something soon we will see a few repeats of that Fulham game last wk.
I also think we need an experienced winger – Walcott isn’t going to be a world class player – take the pace away and there isn’t much there.
Come on Rosicky, get yer act together!
By: rev on August 29, 2008
at 2:35 pm
I just listened to AW’s interview on the official site. At one point he answers a question about a possible transfer before the window closes. To me, the way he answers the question, I get the strong impression that there is indeed a deal being negotiated but that there may be a problem with finalizing it quickly. He mentions again it takes 3 parties to agree to the deal, etc.
As to Fiszman’s comments…earlier this summer AW was quoted in the NOTW as saying that he has to sell players every summer to pay off the stadium debt…or something similar. Some bloggers disputed the truth of those comments but I don’t recall AW or club officials denying them. Did they?
So what the hell is the truth here?
I don’t doubt AW has some money to spend, we know that because of the money from players sold this summer. Plus a kitty of 25m if we’re to believe the AST.
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 2:35 pm
Also — what about the stories we’ve often heard that AW went in for players like Ribery, Rooney, Tevez but couldn’t compete with higher bids from richer clubs?
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 2:42 pm
haha… the panic is very amusing to me in a way with most u silly fans.
We have such a promising team… if i was a liverpool fan i will be very very dissapointed.. all these spanish players hes been investing in looks a complete waste, apart from 1 of course.
Wenger knows quality when he sees it… if you lot really want a manager that just goes out and splashes cash just to make u lot feel better about yourselves… then i dont know what to see. All i know is Wenger builds teams that play football, that is what hes doing again. If you want to play fantasy manager and stick a Deco on the wing, a Etoo on the bench… then go play it people.!!..
DAN.. in regards to “this is the worst team Wenger has had”… ure just another pothetic excuse for a supporter. 3 games into the season and u have dismissed them already, great stuff.
U know our team contains players like… Cesc, Nasri, Sagna, Clichy, Ade, RvP, Rosicky, Eduardo, Walcott, Toure… these are players other teams would snatch off us mate… wait untill the injuries clear up and then come back to me and say this is the worst team.. We have a better squad than United… Liverpool.. but i concede not chelsea.. but we will beat chelsea if we have most our team available.
Will be an exciting season gooners… just sit back and enjoy!
By: chris GOONA on August 29, 2008
at 2:50 pm
its true. as soon as chelsea or united or any european superclub are involved in the bidding wenger loses interest. he does not want a bidding war. that makes the price unrealistic. he is right not to do so.
wenger never said he had to sell but thats what fans thought he meant. he indicated despite the huge income, we also need to pay an extra £17m a year towards debt and said its the equivalent of selling a player every summer. that doesn’t mean we have to sell our best player every summer, it was just an illustration to show that clubs without debt dont have that problem.
currently Arsenal are still tied by the property development side of things. as I understand it, by next summer, cash flow will be a lot better when the investment in new flats diminishes.
we could become relatively flush virtually overnight.
By: gazzap on August 29, 2008
at 2:53 pm
As you Brits say, “cheers” gazzap — thanks for that clarification.
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 2:57 pm
chris, it’s not fair to use phrases like “splash the cash” — at least not to diehard AW supporters like me. I have little interest in AW splashing $100m on Kaka. All I asked for when the transfer window opened was that AW get players like Sagna and Eduardo with their price tags in areas where we need strengthening. Like many other supporters, I thought we didn’t need much to improve on what we already had. The point is that AW does not need to spend big money on big name players–he just needs to spend reasonable money on good players.
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 3:02 pm
This save it for a rainy day money idea is infuriating.
We are fans; we want to win trophies, and using every penny of a well thought-out budget will surly be more helpful in achieving that goal than not.
Save it for a rainy day Aaahhhhhh, spend it, we want success this season.
By: London on August 29, 2008
at 3:04 pm
Its time for Wenger to leave
***Hides behind rock***
By: Arse21 on August 29, 2008
at 3:13 pm
I’m not even going to dignify that comment with an answer.
By: London on August 29, 2008
at 3:15 pm
London,
I believe Wenger has gone ever so slightly mad.
He is an amazing man, but I feel our club could be better with a new manager
***jumps back behind rock, has a good itch***
By: Arse21 on August 29, 2008
at 3:19 pm
Arse21
Try Le Grove
By: London on August 29, 2008
at 3:20 pm
London,
No thanks, I quite like it here if thats ok with you.
I feel Wenger has taken us as far as he can
By: Arse21 on August 29, 2008
at 3:24 pm
On what basis?
By: Yogi's Warrior on August 29, 2008
at 3:41 pm
ARSE21 – If AW were to leave now we’d be well & truly f*cked. All of our best players would follow him… chances are he’d go to Madrid or Barca… and Cesc, Ade, Sagna, Van Persie would follow him… just like Anelka, Henry, Petit followed him to Highbury…
By: rev on August 29, 2008
at 3:50 pm
Yogi,
He’s being ridiculously stubborn.
And I mean Ridiculously, if he spent 15 mill last season we would have won the league. Its just silly
By: Arse21 on August 29, 2008
at 3:50 pm
Liverpool spent twice that and they didn’t win it
By: rev on August 29, 2008
at 3:52 pm
Neither did Chelsea.
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 3:56 pm
And Liverpool finished above us the year before last…
By: rev on August 29, 2008
at 3:57 pm
Arse 21, wind up?
What if he had spent that money and hadn’t won the league. Perhaps our grand “Exodus” this summer would have been bigger and even more detrimental to team morale – and the sh*t shower from the press and pundits would be twice as heavy (and twice as putrid). Why would 15 million guarantee success?
I’ll stand by what I wrote here recently; this is one of the best teams Wenger’s ever put together at Arsenal. However, it does need one or two extra players to sustain a push on all fronts.
I think he’s definitely on this case despite the poker face he’s pulling right now!
As has been said before, team morale is paramount, especially when there are young players involved. There’s no doubt he wants to strengthen, but he’s never going to be brazen about it and risk the self-belief of our team.
Anyone see the Guardian’s list of football’s 6 most astute signings on their website today? The author wrote that you could compile the same list based exclusively on Wenger’s amazing finds and there would still be some harsh exclusions.
Like it or not (and I don’t know how any sane fan couldn’t), he’s here to stay.
As usual, I hope that reads ok. It’s been a long week and it’s nearly home time!
By: Big Al on August 29, 2008
at 4:06 pm
1st para + ?
By: Big Al on August 29, 2008
at 4:07 pm
Fresh quotes from Arsene re new transfer(s) before the 1st:
Wenger chasing new faces
http:// http://www.football365.com/ story/0,17033,8652_4065499,00.html
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 4:08 pm
1st para:
- would be
+ would’ve been
By: Big Al on August 29, 2008
at 4:09 pm
Great post, Big Al — your posts always sound fine to me.
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 4:09 pm
Its different in wengers case because our one problem was staring us all in the face, defensive cover. Liverpool are a bit of a mess and whoever just mentioned chelsea is just being silly
By: Arse21 on August 29, 2008
at 4:10 pm
Eboue in Midfield?
Eboue in midfield?
Eboue in Midfiled?
By: Arse21 on August 29, 2008
at 4:14 pm
Some fans are stupid really. SPPPPEEENNNNNNNNNDDDDD
Ny Marcus,
Arsenal did not give an exclusive to NOTW in which he made comments he’d never made anywhere else about Arsenal having to sell. It just never happened.
Why does the club have to come out specifically to debunk the News of the fecking World? Has the footballing world gotten so shallow that we now take jokers that seriously?
Listen to everything the club and Arsene have said before and after the NOTW article, and they have always made it clear that Arsenal are not a selling club.
Think about it. If we were a selling club, we’d have sold Adebayor, and we’d certainly have asked for much more money for Hleb.
By: Ole Gunner on August 29, 2008
at 4:16 pm
GAZZAP. regardless of the interst there is a 30 million positive cash flow PLUS any profit on transfer dealings.
BUT even if we had 80 mlllion in hand 40 mllion has to always has to be there to cover the conditions of the main loan. When all flats are sold we will pay off the 50 million short term loana nd all the property debt, so then our debt should be 200 million and there should be another 5 to 10 million available in cash
By: solgooner on August 29, 2008
at 4:16 pm
“whoever just mentioned chelsea is just being silly”
huh??? What’s so silly about it? The fact is that Chelsea spend huge amounts of cash on players, they have a squad the size of a small army, they have a supposedly superior defense to ours with a superior defensive cover to ours — and yet they didn’t win anything last season.
How is that irrelevant to your original point about spending money guaranteeing us the title?
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 4:16 pm
Injuries, Arse 21, injuries. Will that do?
Eboue came into midfield because Fab, Ros, Diaby all injured. Song was away. Meanwhile, Wenger seems to have delayed the signing for later to see what will get shaken up in the countdown to midnight on Monday. It seems perverse right now, but it could come up trumps when the window closes. Here’s hoping!
Cheers NY, Right back at you. I have a problem with spontaneity you see, hence the disclaimer.
By: Big Al on August 29, 2008
at 4:22 pm
dont you think team morale would be better if they genuinely beleived that there was a strong midfield in THEIR team?
dont you think Gallas would have more belief to pass onto the younger players if he could really believe himself? A top player coming in now would boost the team not drag it down. Do you think Eboue and Denilson looked happy when they walked off at craven cottage. sure they played for arsenal but they were humiliated by Bullard and Murphy. would a season of humiliation really develop these players? of course not. they need pros to develop alongside. No one is say sell Denilson or Eboue but they need a better player alongside them without being entirely reliant on Cesc.
By: gazzap on August 29, 2008
at 4:22 pm
gazzap, That’s a good point actually. I thought part of the problem at Fulham was a lack of confidence in the midfield pairing.
So I think everyone connected to Arsenal is unanimous in thinking we need one or two more quality player(s) in central midfield.
Some are just driving themselves hysterical in the mean time.
By: Ole Gunner on August 29, 2008
at 4:33 pm
Gazzap, I fully agree that we need to sign, but injuries and absences cannot be discounted when assessing last week’s abject defeat either. I think the hopeless form of RvP, Ade, Theo and Gallas also played a part. I call Saturday an off day, nothing more foreboding than that – especially if a signing or two materialises over the next few days.
The main point of my post was to defend Wenger against Arse21 who seems to think he’s lost the plot because he’s being so coy about bringing in new faces. I think that’s just part of a strategy to defend morale, and that Wenger has a plan here.
As for this magical sum of 15 million pounds. Thanks to our massive scouting network, 8 million spent by Wenger is the same as 15 million spent by most other managers. Especially when the mercurial talents of James Milner will set a club back 10 mil in today’s market.
That’s only one million less than Nasri!
By: Big Al on August 29, 2008
at 4:36 pm
that milner story made me laugh. after their CC win KK was waxing lyrical about Milner and how underrated he is by others and how important he is to Newcastle. the next morning he puts in a transfer request. you couldn’t script it any better!
By: gazzap on August 29, 2008
at 4:43 pm
Guys don’t worry. There is “a long way to go” and we will bring in “one or two”
My money is on Essien and Kaka.
By: Alex Ice Cream on August 29, 2008
at 4:48 pm
Marcus although Platini is an asshole I hope his campaign to have clubs with massive debts not to be allowed into UEFA competitions is a good start, and would curb Ambramovitch buying players like toys to be sold and discarded later.
By: solgooner on August 29, 2008
at 4:51 pm
OLE The vote is in by aclamation all agree we need one or 2 midfielders, the ony minor snag is that delegate Wenger has the power of veto, but lets hope he will agree with the majority and the resolution is passed and enforced by September 1.
By: solgooner on August 29, 2008
at 4:55 pm
Yogi
I agree with you on the sheep thing – I made more or less that point last night.
My point now, however, is what are we prepared to do about it?
It’s all very well to ask fans to be vocal and supportive. Some are already, and Red Action have been battling away for some years. Trouble is, we haven’t even made a dent in the problem; if anything, it has been getting worse.
You can’t just leave it to the individual, or even to small groups like Red Action; it’s asking too much. What can they do when the stadium starts emptying at 70 minutes? Glare at the people who are leaving, challenge them, shame them by standing up and singing mocking songs about the well-heeled spoilt-brats that they are? It’s a rare fan who’d be brave enough, even if he/she knew there were a dozen more nearby prepared to chip in in support – which there may not be.
I think it’s time for the club to take a firm line. It has already tried polite requests in the programme. Nothing doing. So what about stadium announcements designed to make the early leavers extremely uncomfortable? What about stadium announcements backed up by threats? What about actually implementing those threats? Take the names of offenders, give repeat offenders a three-match ban, a long-term ban if need be.
Unless we create a culture where it simply isn’t acceptable to leave early (except in an emergency) – at present it’s the normal, smart thing to do – or to boo (except under very rare circumstances) Arsenal could be heading the way of the England national team where the players are so paralysed with misery they’d rather not play.
As things stand, the club will do nothing. It will only act if a very large group of fans demand that it does. How about letters or, better, petitions? Isn’t that one of the few powers – and responsibilites? – sites such this one actually have?
By: Mia on August 29, 2008
at 5:00 pm
“My money is on Essien and Kaka”
Alex, they can’t fit into our style of play!!*
sol, Platini has a lot of backing about this whole debt issue — it’s a big deal in France and Germany, esp. In France, e.g., there are severe legal restrictions re club financing. Clubs cannot operate under massive debts. Of course there are legitimate criticisms from pundits and fans in the UK about this campaign — they rightly ask why UEFA was never bothered by debts when debt-laden clubs in Spain and Italy were prospering in the CL? These critics see this as a specifically anti-English thing.
Still, there’s a legitimate competitive issue to be confronted here. I just doubt Platini can go far with it. Some pundits in England–when they talk about this issue–lump Arsenal’s debt together with Chelsea and MU. But Arsenal would not be affected by any new policies UEFA would usher in. Arsenal’s debt is considered “good debt” by the banks, it’s not in the same category. Our debt is not the kind of debt Platini’s talking about when he talks about this issue.
*[to those who don't understand sarcasm: that was a joke]
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 5:05 pm
Mia,
I suggest the following:
A lock in.
A clock out system so those who leave early should have their season tickets/memeberships confiscated.
Armed guards outside with authority to beat early leavers senseless. This could have an additional benefit if this is videoed as it can be played at half time to deter any would-be offenders.
By: Alex Ice Cream on August 29, 2008
at 5:09 pm
MIA their season tickets will be exchanged for Spurs season tickets.and corporate sponsors will have their box fees dobled and the price of caviarre and oysters trebled
By: solgooner on August 29, 2008
at 5:13 pm
MARCUS It should be a Chelsea Manchester City thing any club owners who have obtained their ill gotten gains by Fraudaulent means shoule be disbarred from UEFA and EPL
By: solgooner on August 29, 2008
at 5:16 pm
sol, how could I forget about Man City? When the FA allowed Shinawatra to buy MC, that showed conclusively to anyone who doubted that the FA suits are incompetent, irresponsible, corrupt scumbags. Might as well allow bin laden to buy up Newcastle, no big deal.
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 5:19 pm
The club should take pictures of early leavers and then display them at half time.
Early leavers should be locked in a room and made to watch endless re-runs of last years CL defeat to Drivelpoo
By: Alex Ice Cream on August 29, 2008
at 5:21 pm
So Arsene Wenger is destroying English football.
Sir Alex Ferguson, of course, is not:
http:// http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/ football/internationals/angry-capello-set-for-first-battle-of-wills-with-ferguson-912128.html
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 5:22 pm
NYmarcus,
Talking of Bin Laden, do you remember that rumour of him being at Highbury years ago.
I doubt it had any truth to it but it was funny.
By: Alex Ice Cream on August 29, 2008
at 5:22 pm
“Early leavers should be locked in a room and made to watch endless re-runs of last years CL defeat to Drivelpoo”
Followed by our game v. Fulham?
Actually, I do agree with Mia on one thing: I wish someone at Arsenal would come up with some good sarcastic remarks that the stadium announcer could use against fans who boo and insult our players. Or even something lame like “any Arsenal fan caught booing our players will be charged double for their next meat pie.” Same with early leavers: the announcer would make jokes at those leaving. The club could even hold a competition among the gooner faithful to come up with good jokes. It may not have an impact, but you might silence a couple of people at least.
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 5:28 pm
yes, Alex, apparently bin laden is frequently on the list of “famous Arsenal fans.”
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 5:29 pm
**Here We Go Again**
Attacking Wenger for being wise? If all what he has to spend is a 30 million which we don’t know for sure that he actually has, don’t you think it would be wise of the manager to save this money for some crises? Maybe buy one player as he may still do, but leave 20 million just in case of a players disaster that he may buy in January? If he spends that 30 million on one player, what happens if a good player becomes available in January, borrow money from his Aunt Prudence?
He gets the most of what he has and he signs players for all times not just the present.
Nasri, Silvestre for the present
Bischoff for the near future
Ramsey, Cuquelin for the future.
Arsene Wenger was never at any time worried about himself, if he gets sacked by Arsenal today he will not have to wait a minute to find a bigger club.
Right now he is reaping the rewards of having the audacity to try to take the club to a new heights, and the price is Calling him: Stingy, Ridiculously Stubborn, WengerSpin…and God knows what other names.
Without this man in the last 12 years, you would probably still be living in stone-age, mid-table mediocrity, let alone competing for a place in the top four.
GET REAL
G4E
By: Gunner4Ever on August 29, 2008
at 5:43 pm
Mia
This whole issue is the fruition of one of the major concerns about football in general with the implementation of all-seater stadia.
It is, to me, doubtful whether or not the club can do anything about it now inside the ground. If you talk to people who leave early, they cite getting caught up in the crowd. There was talk about improving the transport infrastructure when the stadium was being built.
That needs to be implemented now. In view of the investment going on around the Olympics in 2012, it might be worth the club offering up the ground as a venue for the football tournament and piggybacking into some of that money?
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on August 29, 2008
at 5:44 pm
The transport infrastructure is not a problem, the police just hold up people for hours. Two ranks of them at the end of each road…just like Rourke’s Drift.
Does anyone know of a bar in NY showing the game tomorrow?
By: Frank on August 29, 2008
at 6:04 pm
I just watched AW’s latest press conference.
The more interesting part was toward the end when he was questioned about UEFA’s probe re debt-laden clubs. AW is in support and says that he thinks clubs with massive debts should be kicked out of European competition (I’m sure that’ll grab some headlines and rival fan blogs as well as pundits trashing him).
The reporter asked him to expand on his views on the subject. He said he’s sure some kind of restrictions are coming. He said clubs should not “speculate” one year and then find themselves unable pay salaries the next year. Or they can’t pay “transfers” from the previous year’s window. When he said this I thought of a couple of recent reports I’d heard about certain clubs failing to pay out the latest installment of a transfer deal from the previous year.
A reporter asked him if 2-3 year transfer payments are common and he said, yes, explaining that no club can just hand over 30m in cash — he then stopped and said with a smirk “I know of only one.” And the reporters laughed. So did I.
I only mention this because it just reinforces how very much aware AW is about the current financial climate among European clubs and how much he thinks about it in his transfer deals. I know that’s not news, it was just interesting to hear him talk in more detail about it rather than the few excerpts we get from newspapers.
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 6:07 pm
If he could just apply all that interllect into realising that Eboue is neither a winger nor a defensive midfielder.
By: London on August 29, 2008
at 6:13 pm
London, I wish some reporter would ask him about that!!
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 6:16 pm
No one will ask him because they know he will defend his player even if it means he gets abuse from the fans for it
By: G4E on August 29, 2008
at 6:32 pm
Well, what I had in mind was issuing the stewards with tatoo kits. Repeat offenders could be forcibly detained and given a tasteful design of pimples across their foreheads, spelling out
W-A-N-K-E-R. But I see you have lots of better ideas. I particulary like the season ticket to Spurs.
Fine, fine, we’ll just have a satisfying little moan about it every now and again and blame all-seater stadiums or something equal global (global as in warming, perhaps). Odd that Anfield, Old Trafford and even the ghastly Stamford Bridge, all of which I believe are all-seater stadiums, don’t seem to have the same problem of booing. Sure the transport problem is awful but if they don’t watch the whole game why are they wasting their money on the ticket? Wankers.
By: Mia on August 29, 2008
at 6:40 pm
Frank, the websites below can give you the info you need on where to watch football in NYC.
The home bar of most NY gooners is Nevada Smith’s, NY’s most famous “soccer bar.”
Nevada’s will be showing the Newcastle game at 12:30 pm live.
http://www.newyorksoccerbars.com/
http://www.firsttouchonline.com/bars.html
http://www.nevadasmiths.net/
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 7:04 pm
Yogi – Just getting back to you. Despite your protestations, I stand by my “opinion.” I urge that you not discourage debate about the merits of the postings of certain bloggers, some of whom have pretensions of being opinion-leaders when it comes to the fortunes of our great club. Obviously this is your site and you want to discourage its use a platform vituperative tirades againstr other blogers. My concern however is that you have a community that prides itself in healthy debate. That engagement is not limited to the contents of your blog but mind-numbing attacks on Arsene Wenger and his team. Much of that is taken from other blogs; I recognize the names of frequent posters on your site posting at other blogs. Even those who adopt different identities there is no missing the similarity in writing styles and the nature of the attacks. They are fair game as well.
BTW: I make no apology for reading other blogs and fair credit to you, you are an island of sanity in a sea of hysteria and emotionalism. Hence I feel sufficiently knowledgeable to post what I regard as an informed opinion.
By: shotta-gunna on August 29, 2008
at 7:10 pm
It just occurred to me that maybe AW is trying to teach Gooners how to be more reasonable supporters for the future.
Surely wages and transfer fees cannot continue to rise at this unbelievable and hopefully unsustainable rate.
We are the only top 4 supporters who are (somewhat) used to not seeing massive signings coming in every year. We seem to hate it, but what if football will be like that for everyone in the future?
It is supporters who are being bent over by Sky, the Premier League and our £120k per week “heroes” and their “representatives”. Have you really stopped to think about what £120 THOUSAND PER WEEK actually means? for something that real footballers like Cesc would do for free in another climate.
I do pray that we soon see a tipping point and that wages, transfer fees and ticket prices tumble.
To me the game is changing just a little too much. I just thank God we have Cesc and Arsene two figures we can genuinely admire – who do Chelsea have?
By: Ian Dolent on August 29, 2008
at 7:22 pm
Eboue is a utility player. For Cote d’Ivoire he’s played right midfield and right back. For Beveren he played defensive midfield, right back and centre half.
He’s a utility player. You didn’t know that.
By: Ole Gunner on August 29, 2008
at 7:30 pm
Frank, the websites below can give you the info you need on where to watch football in NYC.
The home bar of most NY gooners is Nevada Smith’s, NY’s most famous “soccer bar.”
Nevada’s will be showing the Newcastle game at 12:30 pm live.
http:// http://www.newyorksoccerbars.com/
http:// http://www.firsttouchonline.com/bars.html
http:// http://www.nevadasmiths.net/
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 7:30 pm
Frank, I sent you a response about where to see the game in NY tomorrow but my message is stuck in the queue because it has some links in it.
Go to Nevada Smith’s (home bar for NY gooners and NY’s most famous “soccer bar” – also named the USA’s best “soccer bar”). It’s in the Village, on 3rd Avenue between 11th & 13th Streets (address is 74 Third Avenue).
Take the 4,5 or 6 train to 14th Street.
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 7:34 pm
Oops, I meant “between 11th & 12th Streets” of course.
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 7:34 pm
Well said Ole, Eboue is a utility player. What we need is wingers to play as wingers and defensive midfielders to play in the midfield.
By: London on August 29, 2008
at 7:49 pm
Wow, this site is so cosmopolitan, directions to the Village, ahhhhh, happy days.
By: London on August 29, 2008
at 7:53 pm
That’s the East village of course
By: London on August 29, 2008
at 7:59 pm
I don’t agree though. Eboue can play right midfield. It’s adifferent position to winger. By the way, Wenger hasn’t played wingers for 8-9 years now.
By: Ole Gunner on August 29, 2008
at 8:02 pm
I Love Amy Lawrence
By: G4E on August 29, 2008
at 8:03 pm
Come to see Eboue, you’ve only come to see Eboue.
Eboue has become the modern-day Perry Groves: a loveable, useless twat.
This comment will self distruct if Sagna gets injured.
By: London on August 29, 2008
at 8:05 pm
LOL! Yes, that’s the east village, London. There are lots of other bars showing the game too — Baker Street over on 1st Ave. and 63rd Street is showing it. Frank, hope you’re still here, that was directed at you.
G4E, I like Amy too — did you just read something by her or did you just want to let us know how much you admire her?
By: marcus on August 29, 2008
at 8:10 pm
That “marcus” was me!
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 8:11 pm
Hey NYm
I just watched her on Arsenal TV…I do admire her for her honest & balanced opinions.
By: G4E on August 29, 2008
at 8:13 pm
Ole, I know you disagree.
My point, which I am sure you are aware of, is that we should have specialists and not utility players.
By: London on August 29, 2008
at 8:14 pm
You mean she loves Arsenal?
By: Ian Dolent on August 29, 2008
at 8:15 pm
Ole, I know you disagree.
My point, which I am sure you are aware of, is that we should have specialists and not utility players.
By: London on August 29, 2008
at 8:18 pm
Ole, I know you disagree.
My point, which I am sure you realise, is that we should have specialists and not utility players.
By: London on August 29, 2008
at 8:19 pm
Maybe, but at least she is much better than some of retired Arsenal players who talk & write cr*p.
By: G4E on August 29, 2008
at 8:21 pm
Amy Lawrence is another famous Arsenal supporter.
By: marcus on August 29, 2008
at 8:22 pm
NYMarcus,
Cheers …you are a star.
Take care
Frank
By: Frank on August 29, 2008
at 8:22 pm
This is interesting.
Ole, I know you disagree.
My point, which I am sure you realise, is that we should have specialists and not utility players.
By: London on August 29, 2008
at 8:23 pm
Am I sin bined?
By: London on August 29, 2008
at 8:24 pm
Obviously not
By: London on August 29, 2008
at 8:25 pm
Mia
I love your ideas but is there a way to get them past the human rights brigade?
What can be done about the early leavers? I don’t know but (with a few exceptions) they can’t really care about their team.
In 1000+ games I can only remember walking out early twice – the 0-5 at Victoria Road (1970) & the game against the French side (Lens? c1999) at Wembley, after they scored & OOh Ah & Dicko lost it.
In 50 years at Highbury, I was always amazed with people, who would arrive 10 mins late, go to the bar 10 mins before 1/2 time, come back (if at all) 10 mins into the 2nd half, then leave 10 mins before the end.
It would be the same if the team were playing good, bad or indifferent & if the result was in the balance or not. As someone, who resented missing even a minute, I just could not understand it.
This unfortunately is happening on a significant scale at the Emirates.
My solution would be to have exits, during the game, which lead to the underground car park, where you would be locked in a pen, for an hour after the game, so you could applaud the players as they drove off into the night.
The away fans are often kept behind after the game, so why not?
By: Flint McCullough on August 29, 2008
at 8:25 pm
Perhaps Eboue should go ginga, so he could be loved.
By: Flint McCullough on August 29, 2008
at 8:27 pm
If you’re in NY and want to check out bars showing football games, these are the links to check out for locations, schedules and fixtures:
http://www.newyorksoccerbars. com/
http://www.murphguide.com/ soccerbars. htm
http://www.firsttouchonline.com/ bars. html
And the USA’s best “soccer bar”:
http://www.nevadasmiths. net/
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 8:33 pm
Ian Dolent,
I’ve been thinking about how Wenger has always been a step ahead of the game.
Diet, performance statistics – he wa the first to use them – all those big, athletic players from France, Africans brought through Beveren… until his rivals catch on and catch up. Clearly the copy-cats mean job is getting much harder. Even lowly little clubs have scouts everywhere now; every big club has caught on to the idea of a feeder club in countries with laxer immigration laws; and if you want a top-class Brazilian kid these days you’re not competing with just Chelsea: there are at least a dozen clubs in Russia alone who can pay more than us both in fees and in wages.
So where’s he looking to now to upstage everyone else? France still, of course, though his buys are relatively modest (Sagna, Coquelin, Bischoff, in contrast to the comparatively well-known and expensive Vieira, Petit, Pires, Henry), but mainly the current trend looks to be to buy English kids. Sometimes I’ve feared this was in response to media pressure, but maybe he knows something we don’t? Like UEFA regulations are soon going to get ever tougher?
By: Mia on August 29, 2008
at 8:42 pm
As it seems the solution for the atmosphere issue at Emirates is already lurching towards a dystopian nightmare, why not plant STASI-style “Jubilance Administrators” among the fans who can report fans that jeer the team? Or the stadium could introduce a parole-style ankle bracelet system that would shock fans that leave their seats early?
Or how about some soma in the pies?
I think the atmosphere will improve once the place has a few memories – if that makes sense. No spectacular moments come to mind just yet, except perhaps for John Terry’s injury last season.
By: Big Al on August 29, 2008
at 8:47 pm
I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!
JUST CAN’T!!!
WHO IS WENGER GOING TO BUY
BEFORE THE WINDOW CLOSES??!!!
WHO WHO WHO????
I’M EXCITED, CURIOUS AND IMPATIENT!!!
ITS BEEN THREE F***** MONTHS OF TRANSFER RUMOURS!!!
OH HOW GOOD ITS GONNA FEEL KNOWING THAT WE WONT BE LINKED WITH ANYONE FOR THE NEXT 3 MONTHS ATLEAST!!!
HE’S GONNA BE GOOD. WHOEVERS COMING IN, CAN’T YOU FEEL IT???
By: Ateeb on August 29, 2008
at 8:52 pm
Or frontal lobotomies…
By: Big Al on August 29, 2008
at 8:56 pm
Ateeb, LOL, you gave me a great chuckle on a slow Friday afternoon!
Here’s some idle gossip I found today on a transfer rumour site, something to occupy your mind:
AW is trying to get Veloso but it’s taking long because of the price being asked – if it doesn’t go thru expect Song and Diaby to compete for the DM position; AW is also going for an unknown forward because Ade and Bendtner are underperforming. AW did seriously try for Alonso but Pool decided not to sell him once they couldn’t get Barry.
Also, according to ANR, AW was very interested in selling Ade but wanted 24m. The highest bid he got was 19m so he turned it down.
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 9:00 pm
Ateeb, here you go:
AFC
Wenger remains tight–lipped on any signings as he is working away on securing Veloso from Sporting.
He likes this guy as he’s flexible and can play CB as well as CM. Price is high and that’s what’s taking the time. Alonso is a no no as cup tied for CL, Barry was never an option. Inler was until medical revealed problems so deal called off.
If Veloso doesn’t arrive then expect Diaby and Song to compete for CM berth.
Also expect an unknown forward to sign as both Bendtner and Adebayor are under–performing.
Keep em peeled!
http: // www. football-rumours. co. uk/
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 9:04 pm
Did you see that progamme tha other night about the guy who came up with the idea of “Frontal lobotomies” It invoveles taking an ice pick and hitting it with a hammer just above the eye socket and into the brain. This man travelled the States doing that for 20 years in the belief that he was helping people. Scary!
By: London on August 29, 2008
at 9:06 pm
Totally f*cked! The best example I can think of was JFK’s sister; she was depressed so they gave her a frontal and it totally messed her up. Never saw that programme, but I can imagine how horrific it was – BBC? Hard to believe there are still people alive that got “helped” that way.
By: Big Al on August 29, 2008
at 9:12 pm
Really?? You’re being fooled more than me as far as the rumours are concerned:)
I know of some french midfielder who plays for st.something.
And yeah Alonso would have been good, but i dont want to see any of the known stars, I want wenger to come up with an edur-sagna. He’s a midfielder that’s gonna blow everybody apart with his tackling and playmaking skills. Screw Velosa and everyone that looks like him.
I’m telling you dude, EDUR-SAGNA!!! He has the pace of Theo, the vision of Cesc, the built of Adebayor, the skills of RVP, the eye for goal of Eduardo and is as solid as Sagna on any given day. And since he’s gonna be made of steel, we’ll never have any injury worries. Just 3 days before he is revealed.
MANU’s LOSING 2-0!!!! Buhahahaha……I heard Ronaldo is keeping all the depth in their team for company, while he applies gel to the pubes that grow on his head.
By: Ateeb on August 29, 2008
at 9:12 pm
You must mean Ruth Kennedy, yeah she was very screwed up. But you know, there are some people in the world who actually benefit from a frontal lobotomy…won’t name any names…
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 9:13 pm
Some of our fans my benefit from that
By: G4E on August 29, 2008
at 9:17 pm
Thanks NYmarcus for the transfer rumours that’s going to keep me busy till tommorow. I don’t think he would be looking to add any forwards, we have too many of those, unless offcourse he comes accross someone that he can’t absolutely miss.
Vidic scored. One of their old deja vu-ish scrappy corner goals. F**** scrappy play as usual.
By: Ateeb on August 29, 2008
at 9:20 pm
Flint
I take your point. Amnesty International might be cross about the underground pens. But Muppet’s methods, I mean satire, seem pretty effective. How about a blast of this from the stadium announcer at around 65 minutes:
Plastic fans are slinking out,
Eee-ay-Eee-ay Oh!
Rushing home for Songs of Praise
Eee-ay-Eee-ay Oh!
I’m sure Muppet – and lots of people – can do better. Worth giving it a try?
By: Mia on August 29, 2008
at 9:29 pm
Ateeb, I didn’t say I believed that site, I just offered it to you as just something to occupy a little time with while waiting for the window to close.
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 9:30 pm
Nymarcus
I know, was just being sarcastic in a corny way.
By: Ateeb on August 29, 2008
at 9:34 pm
Man Ure lost…haha
By: G4E on August 29, 2008
at 9:38 pm
yeah zenit!!!! Did Arshavin play?
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 9:39 pm
Pretty remarkable for zenit, first time euefa cup winners, first time super cup winners.
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 9:40 pm
Yes, he was playing NYm
By: G4E on August 29, 2008
at 9:40 pm
And it seems Ashravin wasnt a one tournament hit either, because he was quite decent tonite aswell.
By: Ateeb on August 29, 2008
at 9:44 pm
‘If he made mistakes, they were PR mistakes, but I like a footballer who is not PR. When they become PR they behave right on the outside and wrong on the inside. They have a series of things people want to hear and they never behave like they talk. I prefer the reverse.
What a good quote for the Ade-baiting simpletons.
By: Danny on August 29, 2008
at 9:44 pm
I hope you didn’t get a frontal NY! I’ve trodden on a few too many toes today!
By: Big Al on August 29, 2008
at 9:48 pm
I prefer Clichy, who doesn’t get in the papers unless he wants to.
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 9:49 pm
whose toes, Big Al? And my toes can take it.
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 9:50 pm
Thought I’d scan Le Grove comments
(721) since it’s been discussed here recently.
This leapt out at me:
Jules1 Says:
August 29, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Rasputin, Do you think his days are numbered. Should we go for a british manager like Curbishely ? Somebody more in tune with the needs of the fans ?
’nuff said?
By: Akbty on August 29, 2008
at 9:54 pm
fair enough NYMarcus,
I like the lad too, but don’t be surprised if he is underpaid!
By: Danny on August 29, 2008
at 9:54 pm
Look guys I want to make it clear about some things. Set the record straight. I love Arsene. The guy has been immense for us, I mean, really, we’ve played a brand of football that no one has seen in this country.
I wouldn’t swap him for anyone in the PL. No one. But that doesn’t mean he’s immune to criticism, right ? Anyone challenging my view is a ****, and will be given abuse. Look, I’m sorry you don’t understand that, but if you don’t, you are a ****. Get it ? And there has been several things he’s been saying recently, I can’t believe it, but some of the stuff is just bizarre. Look, I love Arsene, I love Arsenal and I want the best for Arsenal, but if anybody challenges my view that he talks **** on the TV then they are an AKB, I’m sorry, but this is a friendly site and we all love each other and if anybody comes on and wants to question my views they will be rightly singled out as a ****** and a ********. I still love Arsene and won’t have him replaced by anyone, but he’s only got another 2 days to sign someone, and if nothing happens then it’s time for that love affair to end cos we all want trophies and although we love Arsene we know more than those AKBs everywhere else on the Net don’t we, cos we are arsenal and we know what’s best for Arsenal.
By: Muppet on August 29, 2008
at 9:59 pm
Not on here. I’ve got an uptight German boss – with gout. His toes definitely can’t take it!
By: Big Al on August 29, 2008
at 10:00 pm
Watching Man Utd deservedly get beaten by Zenit in the European Super Cup – and they should have won by at least another 2 clear goals in my opinion – was worth the licence fee alone.
So much for Utd’s ’strength in depth’, whatever that means.
By: Magneto on August 29, 2008
at 10:01 pm
Flint
On your human rights (consumer rights) point.
No, just because you’ve paid a lot for your ticket doesn’t give you the right to do whatever you want. You can’t throw rotten eggs at the players, for instance. If you did, you’d be banned and no amount of blathering about your rights would get you back in! There ARE rules and codes of behaviour.
A couple of hundred years ago, people at theatres bood and throw eggs at the actors – it was part of the fun. Now they don’t because theatres have got extremely genteel, so much so that if you walk out during the play, you feel uncomfortable and embarrassed, not least because everyone there has paid a lot for their ticket and they feel they’ve a right not have their pleasure disturbed.
What’s considered OK behaviour depends on the culture of the particular venue. It shouldn’t feel normal and acceptable to leave the game early at the Emirates, and it actually isn’t normal and acceptable anywhere else.
By: Mia on August 29, 2008
at 10:07 pm
danny, 80k a week for a striker who’s achieved only one season of achievement (and still hasn’t won any trophies) is NOT “underpaid”!!! That’s Gallas’ salary and Gallas HAS won trophies. Sorry, but how in the world do you consider that “underpaid”???
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 10:08 pm
I’m online now chatting with two pals. One in Brazil, the other in the States. Both are heavily critical of Wenger. Neither is an Arsenal fan.
Wenger hate is reaching critical mass.
Discuss. LOL
By: Ole Gunner on August 29, 2008
at 10:09 pm
NYMarcus,
I’m saying we both like Clichy, but don’t be surprised if our super left-back is underpaid.
By the way Ade is now on 60 grand and was on 10.
By: Danny on August 29, 2008
at 10:11 pm
Ole Gunner,
Have you been on Le Grove ? What are your experiences of this site ?
By: Muppet on August 29, 2008
at 10:15 pm
@Mia,
Think what you have done so far is pretty good.
I would throw in some line about the ‘Glory Hunters’. Don’t know if that would add to it.
By: Muppet on August 29, 2008
at 10:16 pm
Danny, Clichy’s salary was doubled at the end of last season and he signed on the dotted line. What is your standard for being “underpaid”? Certainly he’d get a better salary at Chelsea.
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 10:18 pm
There’s enuf heavy criticism of AW from gooners, Ole. You’re right – it’s reaching critical mass.
Danny – I don’t know where your figures come from. Ade was on 35K a week, he’s now on 80K. But that’s according to the papers. Where in the WORLD do you get “10″???
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 10:20 pm
And btw, Danny — no European club wanted to pay Ade the kind of salary you think he deserves.
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 10:22 pm
Marcus,
read that. Says it all really. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1050730/Arsenal-boss-Wenger-tells-fans-lay-striker-Emmanuel-Adebayor.html?ITO=1490
the boss may be speakly loosely, but the figures will be genuine.
Ade deserves a break. My point about Clichy is, that if say he is on 20 grand and Barca decide they want him and will pay him 80 grand, if we want to keep the lad, we’d have to pay him more.
Simple really.
By: Danny on August 29, 2008
at 10:26 pm
I read that article, danny — it doesn’t say anything about the figures. There is NO source whatsoever that ever claimed Ade was on “10″ a week, that’s hilarious!! He was on 35K and was offered double that at the end of last season, like Clichy and Sagna were. Only he wanted more than double — and got 80K in the end. AW’s defense of Ade doesn’t impress me at all — I do agree with him, however, that fans shouldn’t boo him.
Clichy WAS offered more and accepted it — he was not on 20K, he was receiving the same amount as Ade. Actually I think he was receiving more than Ade because he’s been at Arsenal longer and has an FA cup trophy medal. Arsenal’s salaries are performance-based.
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 10:30 pm
Are you confusing my posts for somene elses?
I’ve never said what salary I think he deserves.
By: Danny on August 29, 2008
at 10:31 pm
sorry, danny, but your figures are laughable.
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 10:31 pm
To all the US gooners here: have a great Labor Day weekend! I’m off!
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 10:35 pm
danny, you said Ade was on “10″ a week!
By: NYmarcus on August 29, 2008
at 10:35 pm
As in ten grand.
Not a tenner, that’s a Phillipine sweat shop and we’re a little frugal but not that bad.
By: Danny on August 29, 2008
at 10:42 pm
They’re not just performance based, players who have signed from other clubs are generally on better wages than someone who has come through the youth team.
They of course have not had to be attracted to the club and are subject to different leverage during negotiaions. Also attackers and goal-scorers often earn more than full-backs say.
You don’t agree with the figures , which is fair enough, I don’t doubt them, Ade was outrageously underpaid having signed from Monaco at a time when he was not their top scorer.
My point was about Clichy anyway.
By: Danny on August 29, 2008
at 10:43 pm
Mia,
Good points about behaviour at games. I feel that due to the slightly brittle nature of our team, as well as its inexperience, supporters need to be careful about how they voice their frustration.
I don’t think there is anything particularly wrong with booing the team off after a particularly bad defeat, but while they are actually playing has got to be daft.
I think we have always been a “confidence” team. Even “The Invincibles” used to wobble before they finally clicked into that awesome gear they eventually found.
When everybody is full of belief, that is when we are unplayable. Why should fans not do as much as they possibly can to make that happen?
By: Ian Dolent on August 29, 2008
at 10:57 pm
Great post Ian
All points spot on
By: Danny on August 29, 2008
at 10:59 pm
Muppet,
I avoid Le Grove since the dude deleted my comment. Perfectly legit. All I said was that if Arsenal fans only focused on our weaknesses, then our squad will look really weak. It happened to be the opposite of the Supremo’s opinion. AND HE DELETED IT!! Never been back there.
By: Ole Gunner on August 29, 2008
at 11:58 pm
Every Arsenal fan should read this:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/james-lawton-wengers-revolution-lays-down-test-of-loyalty-for-arsenal-fans-913161.html
And yes, I am aware it’s by James Lawton. It’s still essential.
By: Big Al on August 30, 2008
at 12:35 am
It’ll be interesting over the weekend. Saha and Campbell probably out; if Berbatov hits a hitch, Man Utd are royally screwed.
By: crafty bison on August 30, 2008
at 6:57 am
Arsene never spend big neither buy players aged in and around 30. why?? i think its his weakness,
he cant manage big players and he cant motivate aged players thats why he avoid buying those types. i dont think he is a great motivater , so buying young who will be self motivated will be a good idea.
By: santino on August 30, 2008
at 7:30 am
Santino
One word “Sylvestre”.
By: London on August 30, 2008
at 7:58 am
Thanks for the link Big Al, it is a good article and I think it is a must read for some fans. For me, this is exactly how I feel about Wenger and the club that I love. Unfortunately, some fans will never get it because they only believe in the material…”show me the money, and show me a tin cup” and I will be happy kind of people. That’s success for them, it’s easy, it’s simple, no need to think, no need to struggle, no need to sweat to achieve your goal, just buy it. Those fans envy Chel$ki & Man Ure. I have to say those fans are the selfish kind of fans, they may love the club when they are getting their moments of glory on a regular basis, but when the going gets tough, they will abandon ship, boo the crew and captain and may even sink the ship. Only the true fan will survive though.
===
One more thing, people who boo our players are only seeking harm to our club and our team. There is no justification on earth to boo a player for wearing your shirt and representing you. How can you make profit from booing your salesman while he is trying to sell your product? That is absolutely stupid.
===
Hard game today, NC are building confidence from their first two games but we should be able to win. Go Gunners.
G4E
By: Gunner4Ever on August 30, 2008
at 9:11 am
I recommend James Lawton’s article in the Independent for all you fickle sceptic invertebrates. Read it and then f**k off somewhere else
By: Jamie on August 30, 2008
at 10:30 am
Jamie, I read that article and I am amazed that a man who is not an Arsenal fan gets it and so many of our fickle fans cannot see what is right in front of their eyes.
By: Passenal on August 30, 2008
at 10:55 am
Well said Jamie. Much as I dislike Lawton he makes some sound points in that article.
By: Steve on August 30, 2008
at 11:55 am
This is either a great time to play Newcastle or a bad time following the loss of milner this could galvanize them or polarize them……..
Lets hope its the latter because as good as we were in the 2nd leg against twente the just didn’t turn up, we need a string of victories/good performances to build confidence.
I read the article and it was really a great read, the problem is that most fans find it difficult to share in arsenes vision when they are fed by sensationalist tabloid press which 90% of supporters read.
What would appease fans would be more forthright PR to dissipate the foolishness coming from sections of the media.
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at 12:02 pm
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