Arsene went to war on players who are disrespectful to the club and their contracts. Pictures of Adebayor and Hleb adorned the article in the News of the World and a headline of ‘Mercenaries’ gives away the tone. Before you get excited, it is was not much of an exclusive interview with the paper. Despite taking up the majority of the back three pages, about three paragraphs were new quotes set alongside opinion of the journalist in question and most of the Adebayor interview last week with Arsene commenting on his loyalty and the lack of the same quality from the players.
He is then featured in a link with Huntelaar, supposed replacement for Adebayor if he leaves, valued at about £18m. According to the News of the World, Robin van Persie has been selling the club to him. That signing though is dependent upon Adebayor leaving, a situation that is apparently no closer to being resolved and may be open to some doubt with reports that Barcelona are now looking at bringing in Shevchenko on loan if Ade is not signed. The sensationalist part of the interview,
The strategy of the club is to sell every year and to buy less expensive players. We manage at Arsenal to maintain all our football ambitions, national and European, while having to free up – for 17 more years – an annual surplus of £24m to pay for our stadium. The club’s strategy is to favour the policy of youngsters ahead of stars and to count on the collective quality of our game
Which contains nothing new at all and is a matter of the interviewer’s interpretation. The club’s ’strategy’ has been Wenger’s ’strategy’ since he joined, in that he has always bought cheap and sold expensive. Anelka, Overmars, Vieira, Henry out for big fees whilst Campbell, Ljungberg, Henry, Adebayor, van Persie, Rosicky, Fabregas, Toure, Sagna all came in for more modest amounts or nothing at all. The list goes on and you could add who you want to that. The change came when The Emirates construction started and the youthful element became more prominent yet he had been moving towards this plan anyway as it takes years to develop an Academy system to pick youngsters who can come through to the first team.
For Wenger, he ran out of time when the ‘Invincibles’ broke up and key personnel left or suffered injuries. The weakness of the strategy shone through as inexperience came into the first team. Yet in the rebuilding phase the team finished fourth twice and third last season. The absence of trophies was exacerbated by what had gone before but this summer has seen less of the demands for big money names and more shoring up the squad in key areas, as well as replacing departed and unsettled players, a mix of recognising that buying big is not financially possible or Wenger’s M.O., along with tacit acknowledgement that the rebuilding was heading in the right direction but not yet the finished article.
The most disconcerting part for some will be that Wenger has stated we are a selling club. Perhaps the definition that you and I have is different. To me that is one where a club sells its players at the peak of their powers, something Wenger has not done although that is a heady mix of luck and judgement. The latter for Henry, the former for Overmars and Anelka (for example) as he could not have known the Dutchman would suffer with injuries at the Camp Nou nor that Anelka would land in more cities of Europe than British Airways.
His comments though contradict those of various Board members over the past months but should they be taken at face value or be looked upon as PR? For me, they have elements of both. The selling aspect I have dealt with above but the financial results last year propelled the club into the European riches stratosphere and this year the sensationalist headlines will emphasise that further. Wenger may already be suffering from this, being quote exorbitant prices already. He needs to bring those expectations down and his words seem designed to do so.
The summer though has been marked by interminably drawn out transfers, Hleb and Adebayor out with Nasri in. To some extent, that will be reducing Wenger’s ability to sign any others that he may desire. However, the man himself has said that he will not be bringing many in players. Nasri meanwhile will apparently sign this week but that was the case four weeks ago so if and when it happens, I’ll believe it. A shame the player was not so keen to sign that he would not interrupt his holiday.
’til Tomorrow.























The quoted comments make no sense to me. Arsenal have far more free cash than Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea AFTER all payments related to the stadium. How could the club then be “forced” to sell players? It makes no sense at all. Wenger needs to explain what he means.
By: LB on July 6, 2008
at 10:39 am
Does anyone believe what they read in The News of the World anyway ?
By: Anonymous on July 6, 2008
at 10:45 am
The NOTW statements contradict everything I’ve ever known Wenger say. That Wenger would say Arsenal is a selling Club is inconceivable to me. He specifically said this year that the goal is to keep the team together. By all verifiable reports he has kept the team together so far.
I call BS on NOTW. Oh wait, it’s the NOTW, it’s effing BS:
By: Ole Gunner on July 6, 2008
at 10:48 am
Tried to explain this to the numpties at Le Grove. Inexplicably the comment was “moderated”/censored. I do wonder about them. Can’t help thinking there is a Dein/Usmanov hand at work there
By: clockendrider on July 6, 2008
at 10:49 am
17 years if we win no trophies, 7 years if we win 5.
By: sooli on July 6, 2008
at 10:50 am
I suspect these quotes have been taken from different contexts and then re-assembled with a Red & White spin on them.
By: Passenal on July 6, 2008
at 10:51 am
Fantastic Post YOGI!!!
I have to say I have been extremely fearful of this situation for a few years now. Arsene has to clarify his statements. That was disappointing. The truth of the matter is that arsene and the board has been SELLING us the future for the last 3 years!! We cannot become a SELLING CLUB now, because once that stratifiaction sticks to arsenal then it will become impossible to build a team capable of winning championships!!
I have to say Arsene is also to blame for this and now he has to sort it out. The signing of “wonderkids” has to stop. We cannot keep talking about the future because if we have no present, we have no future. The FUTURE that we talked about 3 seasons ago is now. THE FUTURE IS HERE!! It time to deliver and I have said here before, that the coming season could very well be the season of judgement for the club on so many different levels!!
Well its sad that if this is indeed the case maybe its time for a new beginning at arsenal.The question is: Has arsene taken arsenal as far as he can take us???
By: Naga gunner on July 6, 2008
at 10:54 am
I don’t think that Wenger said the specifics of 24 mil each year for 17 years. Especially considering that we make a profit every game day. I expect those quotes will be rebuffed in the upcoming days…
Now I am going to go into CM mode – If Ade goes, please buy Rademel Falcao. He has potential to be loads better than Ade. Good 1st touch, good in the air, plays off last man, links up play, shoots outside area, and two footed – he would be my choice. I don’t think that Klaas would suit our sort of football. He’s good, but doesn’t really have the pace that we need. Santa Cruz falls into the Klaas category, but has a bit more pace about him.
By: Begeegs on July 6, 2008
at 11:00 am
WENGERSPIN NEEDS TO CLARIFY HIS ALLEGED STATEMENTS NOW. IF WHAT HE SAYS IS TRUE A TAKEOVER IS NECESSARY
By: solgooner on July 6, 2008
at 11:01 am
Solgooner!!
A takeover is the worst thing that could happen to the club. I would rather prefer trophyless seasons than burden the club with huge amount of someone elses debts. NO NEED FOR A TAKEOVER!!!
What is needed now is pragmatic signings, in the mould of Dudu (24) and sagna(24) which we did last season not another of those “wonderkids”. Wenger seriously needs to shed a bit of his aesthetic philosophy and repair the gaping problems in our team. A little bit of forceful promptness is needed to make all HIS OWN HARD WORK of 3 years pay off!!!
If this team breaks up without trophies and ESPECIALLY if cesc leaves (I wont blame him if we carry on like this) then it would be disasterous for arsenal!!!
By: Naga gunner on July 6, 2008
at 11:10 am
Some of you people need to grow up. Arsene Wenger did not make those statements. The NOTW did. Why should he explain fabiricated statements?
Those of you creating stories about Red and White Holdings are also guilty of creating your own spin to suit your own view of the world. How can you expect the press and media to stop making it up if you are doing the same.
By: Frank on July 6, 2008
at 11:14 am
I dont believe this post and comments attributed…it is extremely pessimistic and looks like wenger’s worst enemies have attributed this comments to him…
SHAME OF THIS NEWS…YOGI PLEASE DONT ENCOURAGE THIS RUMOUR FURTHER…I BEG YOU..
By: adc on July 6, 2008
at 11:16 am
we all need to get real the takeover has to come !! i trust dein and think if hes involved then it will be fine, after all he loves arsenal just as much as we all do!!!!!!
By: jenko on July 6, 2008
at 11:16 am
HERE IS A DIFFERENT TAKE!!
I have to say that this is pretty well written which gives us a very pragmatic and fresh take on the issue. Check this out!!!
http://www.arsenalvision.co.uk/myvision.php?articleid=712
By: Naga gunner on July 6, 2008
at 11:16 am
i read the article mentioned…it doesnt sound as pessimistic as Yogi has made it out to be…i am sorry to say this is the worst article i have read on this blog
By: adc on July 6, 2008
at 11:21 am
ADC!
I like to assess the issue from all possible angles. I disagree with you that you think YOGI is completely wrong. His perspective is also a very valid concern!!!
By: Naga gunner on July 6, 2008
at 11:27 am
Oh my God!!! Please don’t let this be true!!! Arsenal are a selling club!!! The world is going to end!!!
For f**k’s sake!!!
What a bunch of paranoid w****rs most arsenal fans have become. That every single article in a rag like the NOTW is taken as completely true is the biggest worry about our club today.
All Arsene has ever said is that he wants to keep the squad together and then add one or two players to it. Is that the actions of a club that ‘needs to sell’ every summer to stay afloat? Absolute horses**t!
That you’d all honestly think that is what Wenger actually said is almost laughable. If it acyually wasn’t so sad.
Even with the stadium repayments Arsenal have just about the healthiest financial position than any club going, and that will be the case for DECADES to come. Can Chelski, the Scousers or Manure say the same. Hell no!
The Barndoor and Pleb stories are obviously going quiet at the moment so the NOTW needs something to talk about related to the Arsenal.
Why don’t you all read a book or something rather than the crap printed on a Sunday morning. Your intelligence might improve a bit then.
By: Anon on July 6, 2008
at 11:28 am
adc
You have misinterpreted the article if you think it is pessimistic. It is a fact that the comments attributed to Wenger are no different to the policy he has always had and therefore as I put it in the first para, it was ’sensationalist’.
Indeed, as you will note later, I have said that the comments might well have been designed to lower the expectations of clubs from whom Arsene wished to buy.
Now if someone can point to a quote from a reputable source where Arsene denies the comments, I’ll be happy with that.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on July 6, 2008
at 11:30 am
First things first Arsene did make those comments, they are in quotes after all unless you are accusing the News of the World of plain fabrication which could land them in a lot of legal trouble.
But look at the quote “The strategy of the club is to sell every year.” No club is going to consider selling its best players every year far too much player turnover and then you have a team that does not gel. So I agree with the arsenalvision blog he is talking about the academy.
By: klon on July 6, 2008
at 11:31 am
totally agree with anon….u have to be paranoid to belive in what has been attribute…
naga u can agree everything what yogi says…but if any arsenal fan believes in what has been written here he wud have done great disservice to the club and wengers’s intention which have not been that of sellers but of winners..if they were sellers..arsene wud have taken some other job and owners wud have long back sold the club..please for heaven sake dont doubt these noble minds and dont insult us as club…
By: adc on July 6, 2008
at 11:32 am
Yogi
my mate it might well be that arsene wud play games..i am sure huntelaar doesnt interest him and he isnt buying him…but i dont believe arsene will give perspective that club is selling club ..he wud rather talk about historyt etc..what will arsene personnaly achieve by breaking even the club in 17 yrs without any trophy…his first priority will be to win with his budget limitations but not by trading..if that was case he wud sale cesc…he offered henry path breaking salary to retain him but henry himself opted out..he didnt sell viera when he was really hot and cud have fetched 25 mil instaed of 12..so dont tell we just trade…we trade well..but we foucs on winning well first…
By: adc on July 6, 2008
at 11:38 am
No..no ADC!!
You are getting me completely wrong Mate! I told you above that I like to see the news from all possible angles. Yogi’s is just another take on the issue, which I am not dismissing. I am saying that all the perspectives are valid concerns!!!
Cheers!!!
By: Naga gunner on July 6, 2008
at 11:40 am
Nothing wrong with buying cheap and selling expensive, especially when the players are passing their peak; it’s when we do the opposite that I worry – Jeffers and Richard Wright come to mind. And do you really envy Liverpool for paying a fortune for Barry? A decent player certainly, but one who could well be approaching his sell-by date.
More interesting is the persistent Huntelaar rumour. Fine by me but if we’re not going to play three strikers – which yesterday you all assured me we’re not – then at least one winger is essential.
The Arshavin thing reported on arseblog is strange (and in direct conflict with yesterday’s rumours and quotes): Chelsea have pulled out of the race now they’ve got Deco. Really? At first sight it seems highly implausible, but on reflection I wonder if Scolari is flexing his muscles? The rumours of a showdown between him and Abramovich do have a plausible ring, and we know that Arshavin has been flexing his own muscles about the style of football he wants. Then again, the source is the Telegraph (I think) and their reports this transfer window have been about as reliable as the News of the World. I certainly wouldn’t say no to Arshavin, and I can’t imagine what other London club could be in the running for him (if the report that he now favours London is true). No, don’t even mention it, he couldn’t be as stupid as that…
By: Mia on July 6, 2008
at 11:42 am
NAGA A takeover doesnt mean the club gets saddled with debt. Depends on the fiancial worth of who buys it, Glaziers, and Hicks are not in the real Billionaire League, tht¡ats why they borrowed.
By: solgooner on July 6, 2008
at 11:44 am
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By: Adebayor, I watched Thierry Henry. You’re no Thierry Henry on July 6, 2008
at 11:46 am
Wenger needs to clarify URGENTLY tHE STORY IS BEING CARRIED BY ALL THE NEWS WIRES. It makes Fizman and the board to all look like liars, with repayments quoted much less than 24 milion, and us being able to compete with the big 3.
By: solgooner on July 6, 2008
at 11:49 am
adc
But that is the point I made – Arsene has always done the selling bit but not when they are at their peak, something he has not done hence when I wrote:
The most disconcerting part for some will be that Wenger has stated we are a selling club. Perhaps the definition that you and I have is different. To me that is one where a club sells its players at the peak of their powers, something Wenger has not done
Pretty conclusive that I don’t think that Arsenal are a selling club in the conventional sense. Whether he is referring to the Academy or not is another subjective matter. Maybe he is but I think he was also making a point that there are probably only two or three whom he would not sell under any circumstances.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on July 6, 2008
at 11:51 am
Sol
The most likely source of funding for a takeover is with some money coming from loans and some from personal wealth. There are few Abramovich’s in the world and fewer of them who want to invest in football. Even then, money that he has ploughed into the club aside from the original purchase has come from loans rather than increasing the share capital to fund spending.
In any case, until the board change their stance on selling shares, a takeover is unlikely to happen: would a hostile takeover succeed? Unlikely. Therefore it is not an issue.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on July 6, 2008
at 11:56 am
I can’t see anything wrong with Yogi’s take on it. But Naga’s first post, the one where he wonders whether it’s time for Wenger to go, is truly appalling. Nearly as bad as Sol Gooner’s Let’s get Usmanov in because he’s absolutely certain to give us loads of money (and take nothing out for himself) and then we can spend more than anyone else and jeer in their faces and thump our chests and feel important for a couple of weeks.
Talk about childish, talk about stupid.
By: Mia on July 6, 2008
at 11:56 am
MIA!!
I disagree!! there has to be some perspective for “buying cheap and selling expensive”. Lets say, cesc is sold at 23, for 35 million, would that justify your take on the matter??? Its alright if we let them go at 29 or 30 but we cant build up players to let them go at their prime like 25-26. We have to challenge for honours ourselves and the time we invest on players to bed in must be reciprocated by them playing for us in the best years of their lives!!! Do you want us to be like AJAX then??
And dont you think, Arshravin is surplus to requirements whatever his status? Dont you think a centre back is more important than that???
By: Naga gunner on July 6, 2008
at 11:57 am
MIA!!
As you said I was “wondering”!! I DID NOT say Arsene should go!! Mia, I admire Arsene, but he is not indispensible. He is a servant of the club and will be judged on results according to the circumstances. My lady, you cant say that it is sacreleige to say anything against him!!! Are you saying that nobody can suggest anything against him???
Arsene is a great manager, I admire him, but he is not the BE ALL AND END ALL of Arsenal!!!
Cheers!!!
By: Naga gunner on July 6, 2008
at 12:04 pm
No Naga, the point Mia is making is that Wenger has done a pretty good job until now and there is no reason to remove him.
He is not above criticism but there is a trend now to berate those who believe he is the right man for the job. He makes mistakes, of course, to err is only human but there are few candidates out there right now who could do a better job.
By: Yogi's Warrior on July 6, 2008
at 12:08 pm
I’m an absolute financial dyslexic, but my bullsh*t detector’s definitely going here…
I always thought that the repayments on the stadium were set up in such a way that they would never affect transfer fees. That’s a line that’s come out repeatedly from the board. What’s changed then?
Also, there’s no mention here of the Highbury Square sales. Maybe someone’s trying to fool someone else:
Either Wenger’s up to his usual hush-hush tricks to stop some of the speculation, or the “selling quote” is just pure guff made up by a NOTW hack to create just the kind of reaction you can see on this board.
I don’t know. But at least it’s the first newsworthy story for a while.
By: Big Al on July 6, 2008
at 12:12 pm
It doesn’t look to me to be an interview.
No mention is made about where & when these comments were made, although the NOTW try to tie it in with their exclusive with Ade, last week.
I would say that they have joined quotes, made over a period of years, & about football in general to look like they were made together now & exclusively about Arsenal.
Put together it just does not sound like AW, eg “the bad players want to stay”. What would players like Cesc & Clichy think of that.
Just does not ring true.
Having said that football is going to devour itself, if the likes of Real Madrid etc are continually allowed to destabilise contracted players, making the circle of competitive clubs smaller & smaller.
By: Flint McCullough on July 6, 2008
at 12:24 pm
I saw a reference to Red & White above – that makes sense. And it wouldn’t be the first time either.
By: Big Al on July 6, 2008
at 12:25 pm
Naga how many players have left in their “prime”. Some names please? You make it sound like players are leaving in droves.And what has become of those that left?
I think that the articles appear to have taken Wengers comments out of context. Arsenal is not and has never been a “selling club” and people should stop hysterically latching onto anything the jaded press say.Last season it was “strength in depth”. Arsenal sell just as many players on average as other clubs. Chelses sell at least 5 players every season. We get more attention because our players attract more interest from Europe becoz of thier style of play.
You dont get many top club teams falling over themeselves to buy Man U,Chelsi n Liverpool players every season for exactly that reason. If u r running your club as a business without a bottomless pit of resources then often you will have to cash in on your assests when market forces dictate. I would agree with Mia that Arsenes foresight and opportunism in tying up these sales an letting players go at the right time is second to none and the reason why the future will be bright for many years to come. Belive me the ones that he needs to stay he will move mountains. The ones that got away were not needed anymore. No Red and White Holdings needed here.
By: Gooner4Life on July 6, 2008
at 12:34 pm
This is the a very bad part of the year to be a football reporter in England. If you are a ’sports reporter’ then you have Wimbledon, FI, Cricket, Olympics etc to feed on. But if you just survive on football then you have to feed on scraps. The big clubs in England no longer open up to the press and media. No news. So you have to make it up, recycle other people’s stories, add a bit of blog stuff, restitch old stories or just plain make it up. Don’t make it too personal so as not to end up in court …..but just make it up.
By: Frank on July 6, 2008
at 12:49 pm
Gooner4life!!
I am just saying that it looks like its starting, thats all. Flamini, easily one of our best players has left. Do you think Hleb will stay after this fiasco, mate?? And do you want ade to stay after this?
Remember, Cesc is still 21, In the near future with vultures like madrid and barca lurking who knows?? Remember none of our rubbish players have left. Its only the best ones!!
I am just saying that we have to take advantage of the fine players that we possess now with some pragmatism because in this day and age, the players have no filial loyalty and the only way to keep them together is with trophies. If this team breaks up without anything What is the purpose of our 3 year “rebuilding”??
I am not laying down a law here, just expressing a valid CONCERN. thats all!!
Cheers!!
By: Naga gunner on July 6, 2008
at 1:09 pm
Flint,
That’s spot on!
By: Danny on July 6, 2008
at 1:13 pm
Frank, the reason I mentioned Red & White is because the article clearly had an agenda by mentioning that the ‘takeover’ option could be a solution to Arsenal’s perceived problems. If there were no agenda that comment by the journalist was totally unnecessary, hence my scepticism.
Football is a business and business is sometimes characterised by dirty tricks. It would be naive not to be suspicious about the source of some of these stories. Journalists are fed information in order to advance agendas all the time. There is no such thing as objectivity when it comes to journalism.
I’m sure Arsene said all these things in different contexts at different times. Dependent on your agenda or what spin you want to put on things, you could trawl the archives for the right sound-bites to make any story you want. Technically, it’s not lying, but morally you can make your own mind up.
By: Passenal on July 6, 2008
at 1:15 pm
YW still a good one
Irresepctive if the quotes are made by AW or not this NOTW is doing significant damaged to Arsenal’s reputation and needs to be refuted thru a more credible newspaper. We can not allow outsiders and other players to even get a hint that we are a selling club in order to stay profitale and finish paying of the stadium. Then the vultures will start circling.
Ade did not refute his retirement plan story and now most of us has taken that as a reality. NOw this selling club story needs to be refuted.
I strongly believe that AW purchasing power is limited but never to the point that we sell players at their peak. AW is not stupid. He knows that winning is as important as a good balance sheet. But I believe it is getting more and more difficult to keep a winning team or a team with winning potential together basis the wage structure that we are having. Good players will always be wanted by other clubs which wage structure is not as rigid. Secondly other than winning on the field the next best thing to destabilise or break up your potential competitors and AW was right in that last seasons win over AC Milan awoken many to the potential threat that is The Arsenal. If you know you potential threat has a rigid wahe structure just look for the chinks in their armour which Hleb and Ade has become. So AW strategy must be to make it painful for anyone who wants our good players ie 35 mio plse sir. And Fergies threat to bench anyone who is tempted to go ie Cronaldo.
AW should bench Ade as 35,000 pounds a week is within the clubs budget to spend to make a point.
We must look to see if the wage structure needs to be revised to keep the club as a competitive employer.
Up The Arse!!!
By: Malaysiangunner on July 6, 2008
at 1:33 pm
Naga, better to be Ajax than Chelsea. At least they’re respected.
You wonder whether Wenger has taken Arsenal as far as he can. Fine, so who do you propose to appoint in his place and what transfer policy would you like that new manager to adopt which would take the club further? Since buying young players for practically nothing, turning them into stars and selling them on for huge profits when – and only when – THEY THEMSELVES have wanted to move is what has apparently occasioned this ‘wondering’ on your part, we have to infer you’d appoint someone who does precisely the opposite of Wenger.
McClaren might suit you nicely. He spent vast sums of money on young players whom he turned into crap and sold at a loss. Maccarone, for instance: an excellent young striker, the star of the under-20s and under-21s, way beyond Wenger’s price range. Thankfully he is now very slowly regaining his confidence and skills back in Italy; he may even make the national team, but if McClaren hadn’t systematically destroyed him, he had have been scoring for Italy years ago.
Is Wenger beyond criticism in every respect? Of course not. Is your criticism – or ‘wondering’ if that’s the term you prefer – justified on the grounds that provoked it? No, it is not.
Cesc may ask to leave in a year or two. If he does, we will indeed have to sell him sooner than we wanted to and use the profit to create another generation of stars. Wenger won’t – can’t – keep players here against their will, try as he might. But for finding those players and buying them for a pittance, for nurturing them so they become the envy of every club in the world, he deserves nothing but admiration and gratitude.
This policy, the one you’re imbecilic enough to be ‘wondering’ about, not only helps to keep our club solvent and safe for the next generation of fans; it also creates generations of outstanding footballers (as opposed to destroying them, like the big spending and destruction at Chelsea or Boro). For this managers of national teams across the world are grateful to Wenger. Despite Arsenal’s sad lack of success in Europe, our lack of glamour, of history, of romance, compared to the big clubs in Europe, Wenger has made us respected and loved. Rather like Ajax have been respected and loved; rather like Chelsea are disliked and despised.
Is Wenger bigger than Arsenal? In a way, yes, he is. For he has created something at Arsenal that goes beyond Arsenal itself. We stand for a philosophy, a commitment to excellence and integrity, for creativity rather than destructiveness. We nurture talent rather than selfishly wrecking it – Sheva, SWP, Sidwell, Maccarone… For this everyone everywhere is in Wenger’s and Arsenal’s debt.
By: Mia on July 6, 2008
at 1:36 pm
I would be amazed if Wenger made those comments.
The £24 million a year obviously would be nice to have to spend on players, but Man U have far higher debt service levels than we do, as do Liverpool. This is typical tabloid bullshit and has been the easy story for a couple of years now – Arsenal are broke and are going to have to sell all of our players. The only thing missing was that this is the spuds year to finish top 4 and Liverpool to win the league.
By: Marc on July 6, 2008
at 2:03 pm
I think that what Wenger is saying isn’t a massive departure from the way in which most transfer business is carried out…you sell players you don’t want to buy players you do…a simple matter of economics. It also makes sense if our Academy system is starting to produce players of the quality that Wenger has been hoping for
Wenger has a good track record of selling players he fells we no longer need or that can get good value for e.g. Overmars, Pires etc for the former and Henry/Vieira for the latter.
The comments sound negative to some but they are edited in such a way that implies we’ll be selling our stars at their peak which doesn’t sound like wenger at all given his comments on keeping the team together at the start of the summer. It is much more likely that he is refering to simply selling the unwanted and buying sensible, reasonably priced replacements thus maintaining the team and also allowing for extra funds for whatever they are needed for whether its transfers, academy funding or debt servicing
I also feel that mentioning specific figures such as 17 years and 24 mil are very un-wenger like and are designed more as an excersisde in lowering expectations due to excessive transfer fees being bandied about with regards to our alleged targets this summer
By: npgooner on July 6, 2008
at 2:12 pm
Ground zero for the we are a selling club story was the news of the world. No attributable quotes or background. Basically it was made up. Ignore it.
By: Alan on July 6, 2008
at 2:31 pm
Mia!!
You are coming on too strong. I am sorry you are associating me with things I never suggested because you are simply assuming that I want Wenger out, which I have said above is not the case. You are getting too far fetched in your comparisons. Ajax over chelsea? What makes you think chelsea is the club I prefer? Dont you think I am referring more to the likes of Bayern munich?? who are both successful and respected!!
Your arguements are based on too many assumptions about me, my friend. Steve mclaren is another extremely unfortunate arguement for your point. Dont you think I am referring more to the likes of MARCHELLO LIPPI!
Here again when I say if its time for a change, I am saying that maybe the board needs to make the changes. I certainly wont be appointing the manager, but I am entitled to my views on the position of the arsenal manager, Arent I? You are simply saying that even the thoughts I have must be positively shaped toward wenger!
About nurturing players?? Are we nurturing them for others?? If we have a youth policy it has to be pursued to produce players to bring us success shouldnt it? I am willing to go 5 years without a trophy if our young team stays together. But in the current market scenario that progress will always be disrupted. What i am calling for is some pragmatism to translate our policy into success with trophies!!
If players leave because they want then shouldnt we take that into account when we build our strategy? Or should we be just naievely blind to everything that is going around us. We have to deal with what is around arsenal whether we like it or not because it will affect arsenal. What I am saying is that we need to formulate ourselves to tackle that so that arsenal can be what it wants to be!!
About your last point, Mia, YOU ARE WRONG! Nobody is bigger than the club whoever it maybe. If someone becomes bigger than the club then it is a sign that there is something wrong at arsenal. Arsene has been a magnificient manager for arsenal, but he is not bigger than the club or is he above criticism. Even the great Herbert chapman is not bigger than arsenal. On that point you are wrong, Sorry!!
By: Naga gunner on July 6, 2008
at 2:49 pm
Yes of course. I’m just amazed that anyone bothered to read it – the News of the World, for heaven’s sake! – let alone discuss it as though it consituted a policy statement from Wenger. The only possibly interesting angle is that it’s a piece of Red&White propaganda designed to whip up a frenzy of outrage and anxiety in the stupider fans – which, alas, it seems to have done.
What bothers me is that Red&White believe this is worth doing. Why? Do they really think the Board and/or Wenger will eventually crumble if they can sow enough dissatisfaction among the fans? Are they right?
By: Mia on July 6, 2008
at 3:04 pm
Mia how do you know it was Red and White dont jump to conclusions.
Whatever happens Wengerspin needs to explain now, as its been on Sky, Sentana, and every major newspaper and agency site.
By: solgooner on July 6, 2008
at 3:19 pm
Mia, Passenal
I doubt if Red and White have said anything at all. If they had the hack would have attributed the comments to them becuase that would have been big news.
By: Frank on July 6, 2008
at 3:25 pm
Naga, no, it didn’t occur to me you could possibly be thinking of Bayern, a club even more hated in Germany, if that’s possible, than Chelsea is here. Where do you get the idea they’re respected? From German friends, the German media? If so you’ve been talking to different people, watching different tv channels and reading different papers from me, because I get the impression Bayern are seen as a giant vacuum cleaner, who for decades have systematically bought up their nearest rivals’ best players. Chelsea at least spread their greedy nozzle a bit wider in that they haven’t sucked up Rooney, Ronaldo, Torres, etc. – just Cashely so far. But it’s scarcely relevant anyway. What makes me furious is that some tabloid paper, possibly fed by Dein/Usmanov, puts out a piece of muck-stirring twaddle and you rise to the bait. Sadly Ian Wright on talksport will be doing the same next week, but with rather more influence.
By: Mia on July 6, 2008
at 3:45 pm
Frank, I really can’t believe that you believe what you are saying, but fair enough if you really believe that is how these things work. I know people who deal with journalists every day and it’s a very murky world out there.
By: Passenal on July 6, 2008
at 3:58 pm
Passenal,
I did respond but the message seems to have been lost in the ether. Maybe it will appear shortly before this… However as you don’t know me how can you judge what I believe? I certainly don’t belive that this is a put up story by R&W. I don’t see what they have to gain by making AW look weak.
By: Frank on July 6, 2008
at 4:13 pm
Guys TNOTW is a BS paper and always has been, our problem is that the average fan will read that and because of what has transpired over the past 3 months may start believing it.
But I think with the exception of Diara, Anelka and Reyes we only sell when we want to sell, our problem was our collapse at the end Flamini, sort pastures new and it is possible Ade and Hleb will too.
What these players seem to forget is that pastures new are never the same as playing for arsenal. I believe that we were seriously unlucky not to have won the title last year. And with a couple of additions in defensive areas we will dominate the league and champ league next term.
If Hleb and Ade do eventually go I would like a target man and a creative winger like Ashley Young.
But i doubt Barca or Chelea will stomp up £30m for Ade, Hleb on the other hand looks like he could find a place nicely at Barca with Deco now at chelsea.
Wow i was proper annoyed with all this BS this summer, instead i have immersed myself into the tennis which has calmed me down.
By: Silver Gunner on July 6, 2008
at 6:11 pm
If Wenger didn’t say it the NOTW should be sued (no chance).
If not Wenger has contradicted himself and the Arsenal board and should be held to task!
He has called Fizman a liar if the story is true!
By: HVS on July 6, 2008
at 7:57 pm
HVs,
The story is not true…and Fiszman probably is a liar.
By: Frank on July 6, 2008
at 8:14 pm
For all of those wishing for Usmanov to buy Arsenal, please keep in mind of his first concern after he bought some shares:
HE WANTED A DIVIDEND.
Only when he realised that it was bad PR, did he kept away from the subject. It does not mean that he does not want a dividend. He wants to reach 25% ownership, because then he can block any financial decision unless a dividend is paid.
It means that he does not see Arsenal as a play thing to throw money at to be entertain.
He see Arsenal as an undervalued asset from which he can extract a tidy profit. The problem is that the only way to do so would be to cut back on Arsene Wenger budget or by massively increasing the ticket price. The TV revenue cannot be increase as we have a global contract. The stadium sponsor (Emirates) has a long term contract. The tee-shirt sponsor (Nike) is also on a long term contract that may be undervalued, but with the credit crisis looming might not.
If you look at the numbers of our main rival they are exactly in the mess we do not want to be.
The Glazier are in very big trouble. Trouble who may start to unravel in 2010 when some loan will have to be repaid. Already this year they had only budgetted for 6% interest (instead of their current 12% that they could not refinance because of the credit crunch) and therefore had to add the extra interest to the loan. They could not afford the repayment, so they increase the loan !! And that despite a huge increase in the ticket price and a big operationnal profit.
The same thing with Liverpool who suddenly cannot afford to build the stadium they would like. If the owners were so rich, would they try to claim back travel expense of 1.5m from Liverpool ? See in November when they will have to choose between selling at a profit (not as much as they would like), postpone indefinately the stadium (and cause a riot) and try to renegotiate a new bigger loan.
Chelsea may have a rich sugar daddy, but he has not given them money, just a loan at 0% interest that has a 18 months repayment notice period. It mean that if anything happen to Abramovich (accident happen ask Gretna or the previous co-owner helicopter pilot) or if he changes his mind, Chelsea would have 18 months to put their house in order otherwise they would face bankruptcy. In the current climate, I doubt they could find somebody willing to lend them or buy them for 650 millions.
By: Valentin on July 6, 2008
at 8:40 pm
They look like direct quotes to me Frank and newspapers tend not to do that if it is not true as it is expensive.
By: HVS on July 6, 2008
at 8:54 pm
wow Valentin is that correct about chelsea on an 18 month agreement with adramovich?
If that is it will be interesting when he finally gets bored of football…..
By: Silver Gunner on July 6, 2008
at 9:40 pm
A newspaper friend of mine says Wengerspin will be asked about his comments at next news conference
By: solgooner on July 6, 2008
at 9:41 pm
Valentin Your talking nonsense a 25% owner cannot block any financial decision only something detrimental to the club.
By: solgooner on July 6, 2008
at 9:44 pm
You just make it up as you go along, don’t you Solgooner?
By: Frank on July 6, 2008
at 10:16 pm
HVS,
I have not been blessed with your obvious interpretative abilities… how do you differentiate direct quotes from made up stuff in NOTW articles?
By: Frank on July 6, 2008
at 10:19 pm
Silver Gunner,
I think you will find that Valentin just made that up. Maybe he should write for the NOTW.
By: Frank on July 6, 2008
at 10:21 pm
“this is a direct quote”
this isn’t a direct quote
By: HVS on July 6, 2008
at 10:38 pm
Frank, I have no idea if R&W are behind it, but it wouldn’t be the first time the tabloids have been used. I remember when Dein was in league with Kroenke the Standard carried a piece straight out of Kroeke’s PR department about how he was going to give us money to buy players and once the old regime (the Board, perhaps even Wenger) had fallen we’d never have to penny-pinch ever again. Why Dein, Kroenke and Usmanov think it’s worth wooing and scaring the fans I don’t know – what power do the fans have anyway? – but their previous use of the media suggests that they do.
Maybe with reason. Certainly responses like Naga’s – perhaps Lippi would do better on the budget than Wenger – shows that any piece of crap in a tabloid works just fine on a large number of fans. There are probably millions of Nagas out there suddenly thinking we’re not getting what we deserve as supporters and it’s time for a change.
Propaganda is effective if what you want is to spread discontent and thereby put pressure on Wenger and the Board. Keep up the pressure for long enough and sooner or later someone may crack. Never mind if it’s Wenger and we lose the only manager on the planet who could manage so well on a limited budget; never mind how that would impact on Arsenal: Arsenal’s interests are a secondary consideration to these people for the moment: their aim is presumably to create enough instability to give them a way to move in.
By: Mia on July 6, 2008
at 10:38 pm
Wenger said that we are a selling club so when we are buying other clubs dont bump up there prices.He is a clever man
By: Ty on July 6, 2008
at 10:39 pm
If he goes around saying i have a suitcase full of cash millions will be added on to any player he trys to buy
By: Ty on July 6, 2008
at 10:42 pm
Ty . Do you really think that owners of football clubs who have made millions of pounds in buisness don’t know the tricks of the trade!! Have a think about it!
By: HVS on July 6, 2008
at 10:51 pm
Yawn !
By: Muppet on July 6, 2008
at 10:58 pm
Not one of your better comments Muppet but true just the same.
By: Steve on July 6, 2008
at 11:30 pm
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By: Top Posts « WordPress.com on July 7, 2008
at 1:01 am
As I feared attached article in Football365
http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_3781843,00.html
Now we are dubbed a selling club.As said before AW needs to refute in no unceratin terms the above claims.
Up the Arse!!!
By: Malaysiangunner on July 7, 2008
at 4:36 am
report from Deloitte, published in the telegraph…
”
Arsenal recorded an eight per cent increase in their wage outgoings between 2005/06 and 2006/07, although in that season they had the highest surplus of cash after wages had been deducted from the club’s revenue.
Arsenal also had the best stadium utilisation this season with 99.5 per cent of their 60,054 capacity used. It is just as well: Arsenal were the major stadium investors in 2006/07 with £34.2 million, while their pricing strategy this season did not increase on the previous one.
But the club have the third highest debt. At the end of 2006/07 their net borrowings stood at £268 million, with the second highest loans balances in the country. They are required to pay £19 million in net interest costs, but that is dealt with comfortably by revenues (match-day revenue doubled to £91 million in 2006/07 alone) generated by the move to the Emirates Stadium.
Also, by refinancing a £260 million loan, the club has reduced its annual debt service cost from £32 million to £20 million per annum. Moreover, the club is predicted to have an operating profit of £103.9 million over the next five years – the second highest in the country. Arsenal also lead Manchester United as the club with the most assets, put at £113 million at the end of the 2006/07 season.
Finally, according to 2006/07 figures, they bring in the third largest amount of money through television rights – £29 million. ”
I don’t care how you try to spin it, that is massively impressive and make them a powerhouse.
By: c95mbq on July 7, 2008
at 4:40 am
very impressive.
infact the key to the combined success on both the financial and footballing forms is having arsene at the emirates for at least 6 more years.
No noise about zapata and diogo.
I wonder the start of next season will see these new players in the team
Ramsey, Vela, Bischoff, Zapata, Diogo, Arshavin (I really hope for this…I think if Ade or Hleb goes we will be getting him).
Its good enough for me.
Total spendings on these players
5 + 0 + 0 + 12(?) + 12(?) + 15(?) = 44(?)
Also if Hleb goes its 44 – 12 = 32.
If Ade goes its 32 – 30 =2
I am having fun with nos here….
By: gunner4life on July 7, 2008
at 7:35 am
my player of the season for next term….
Vela or Bischoff
By: gunner4life on July 7, 2008
at 7:36 am
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By: Chairman Pete Speaks « A Cultured Left Foot on July 7, 2008
at 10:36 am
I’m so sick of being a sellng club, why the hell cant we compete with the big boys anymore? Why the hell does Arsene give us such drivell? Why the hell does someone as crap as Adebeyor think he’s better then us? I’m sick of the club taking my money and taking the piss. Wenger must go and we must sel to the russian to stop everyone laughing at us
By: DBerg on July 10, 2008
at 12:26 pm