Posted by: Yogi's Warrior | July 2, 2008

Adebayor, Eduardo, Ins And Outs And Cesc Is King But Not Yet A Captain Of Industry

The Adebayor saga continues with reports of a £25m bid being turned down. It is now a case of chicken to see who blinks first, Arsenal or Laporta who is up for eviction on July 6th. An irony bypass was given to Adebayor’s agent, Stephane Courbis, who said,

Since the beginning, there has been a love story between Adebayor and Arsenal and his relationship with Wenger is based on trust and respect. Emmanuel is a man of heart, not of money. He is not greedy

Sky Sports News reported this morning that Hatem Ben Arfa signed for Olympique Marseille yesterday which should mean that Samir Nasri’s transfer might be finalised soon although the long-drawn out nature of the deal means he might only be offered a one-year rolling deal because he must be in his thirties by now.

Nothing really new on the transfer gossip front; Amaury Bischoff has some legs on his story with the player having left Werder Bremen whilst Pascal Cygan seems to think that Marcos Senna would be good for the club. Without the slightest hint of irony, he said,

That proves how good he is, as they rarely make mistakes

Hmmmm…

Gael Clichy is this weeks focus in the Player of the Season poll, second place the least that he deserved for his consistency last season; I cannot think who the winner is? Two of his predecessors are effusive in their praise for Clichy and the improvement he has shown over the past season.

In yesterday’s comments, he was touted as a potential Captain of the future. To be honest, I cannot see any change in who wears the armband this coming season. Gallas is unlikely to be replaced given that this would potentially create another problem for Arsene. However, it would be no surprise if this is his last season as captain on the basis of his age and that it would be likely that Arsene would promote or buy a younger centre-back next summer. He has already identified Song as one potential replacement in the long term and others have a shout at the spot.

One argument put forward was whether or not the captain is important to the team. If anything, the role is crucial to Arsenal and Gallas must learn from last season. When leadership was needed post St. Andrews and at Anfield in the Champions League, little appeared to be forthcoming. In particular, he did not get his message across at Anfield after the second equaliser went in, failing to regroup the troops to closedown the game.

Whether Cesc is ready for the role is another matter. There are instances to prove either side of the argument but simply handing it to your best player to keep them happy is not the solution. Henry was Arsenal’s best player but I do not believe that he had the personality to lead the side and his was a time of personal distraction. Too often his emotions manifested themselves in negative terms – a frown, sulk or look – when the best quality of a leader is to put aside their own feelings to recognise the method of encouragement best suited to a colleague.

Age should not preclude Fabregas from taking the armband but I have yet to see the consistent signs of leadership that marked Tony Adams out as the most suitable candidate for the job. That may become more apparent this coming season and whilst a captain may lead by example, there are others on the pitch who need a forceful personality to deal with them. Whether he has the experience yet to cope with those as well as focussing on his own game, only time will tell.

Eduardo is the subject of paparazzi lenses and the initial signs are encouraging but before I get my hopes up, I will wait for the medical assessment when he returns to the club. Whatever the state of his fitness, it is important that nobody gets carried away and he is not rushed back.

Finally, Bob Wilson received his OBE last week and this is related on the official site.

’til Tomorrow.


Responses

  1. 1st post!!!

    nice reading today Yogi, Eduardo shouldnt really be considered as an option untill we are 1000% sure he is ready for the high pace of Premiership football once again, after recovering from an injury as severe as this the 1st few months are vital in not picking up other little injuries, becos they are a lot harder to get rid of.. Look at Freddie Ljungberg for example, was never the same player!

  2. Is it just me or is there anyone else who is baffled at Arsenal turning down the 25 mn bid for Ade. I can only think of the possible reasons for the same:
    1) They are playing the waiting game and are (almost) sure that Barca would come back with an improved offer esp since the elections out there are nearing
    2) They are really desperate to hang on to him. While this would make sense if Ade had not revealed his intentions, I am not so sure whether retaining him would be good for the morale of the team.

    If it were upto me I would’ve sold him for the reported 25mn offer..

  3. thanks for the wonderful article , I can not wait to see Adebayor become a past for the club , and Dudu’s long awaited return , and I think Gallas should continue as Captain if not for anything but for stability…he was obviously bad last season but I am sure he must have improved by now and must have learnt his lesson…making some one else captain over him is going to cause some confusion and that wouldnot be good for the team.

    http://soccerfanbase.com

  4. Agree totally on Captaincy…also on CB position

    Adebayor seem set to go..its matter of some more money ..cud be between 28 to 30 mil..if chelsea become crazy..we cud get 35 mil..

    so out of possible 42 mil for hleb and ade..and 25 mil as transfer budget we have 67 mil…remove 13 for nasri and 5 for ramsey..we still have 39..we can get 4 fantastic players for them in various positions..

    but will arsene spend..no..he just doesnt like to spend..we might end up actually spending in negative considering our sale..very similar to last season..if at all there was some trophy in doind trabsfer deals arsene will win it each year..how others clubs wud be eyeing that kind of manager..just doesnt waste money enabling to maintain sanity business and sport wise..otherwise we have clubs like chelsea barca and madrid..who wastes their money and so much of talent..

  5. stonedwasherman Wenger is trying to delay everything so as to sell him off at a higher price at the tail end of the transfer widow

    http://soccerfanbase.com

  6. Great blog!
    I really hope Ade fucks off after what he said in the notw. I know they are not the most reliable but he hasn’t denied any of it. I’d be ok with Santa Cruz as I’m not sure about villa in the prem.

  7. sfb>> I agree with the waiting part but isn’t the transfer market supposed to be very similar to the stock market wherein you sell your assets at an optimum (not necessarily maximum) price? As much as I would like more cash for him, I am afraid that this speculation that Barca/Chelsea would come up with a better offer could cost us a good deal…

  8. I think Wenger is already bringing in replacements as we speak for Hleb & Adebayor. Im convinced at least 1 will leave out of the 2. Think about it logically now, we have Vela, Ramsey, Nasri, some German guy, and probably a striker and a defender coming in. That is alot of recuits, well done Wenger for moving fast in the market.

    We shuldnt despise these players becos they want a move away for more cash, we are supporters and fans of this club at the end of the day, they are just empleyees. It does bug me tho, because you do expect a bit of loyalty when we have actually turned these nobodies into the great players they are becoming. I dont wish any of them bad career’s but u have to feel sorry for all the players that have left Arsenal and have regret it, and u feel there will be some more too.

    Never the less Ade’s attitude and excuse is disgusting and pothetic. Thinking of retirement at 24..??!!

  9. I hope that some of the younger cb at the club will get enough experience the coming seasons, so they can start challenging the seasons after that.

    I have high hopes for Nordtveit, but then I have a national bias. It seems like he is one of the best defensive talents at the club at least.

  10. Good one YW

    I am not sure keeping Gallas as captain is a good idea but if we are to keep the player we should not demoralise him by taking away his armband. But he needs a good talking to by Le Boss. Lets see how he rise to the challenge.

    I am not saying anything more about Ade but the following and it will be my last. Yes we should not blame Ade trying to get more money but it is just like me asking for the Warren Buffet pay when I donot yet invest like Warren Buffet. Yes I am an investment manager but am I Warren Buffet? clearly no. And if I am to ask the same pay then you know what my boss will do. He will laugh at me and find the next excuse to ship me out. We should do the same to Ade. If Barca is willing to pay that salary then he should. We should not hinder his retirement plans. I seriously doubt it.

    Get Out Get Out Get Out now

    Up The Arse!!!!

  11. Did you all see that we have awarded professional contracts to six of last years scholars ahead of the new season – Henri Lansbury, Jay Emmanuel Thomas, Kyle Bartley, Thomas Cruise, Sanchez Watt and Rhys Murphy, all penning two year deals.

    I wanted to point out that all 6 are English, and have been at Arsenal since they were 9 years old.

    It just illustrates the fact that if AW can get English boys coming through with as good technique as the foreign players – then they will get their chances.

  12. We have many defenders who we can bring in if Toure or Gallas are out for whatever reason, so bringing in 1 quality defender will just get in their way even though we will be alot stonger for it in the short term, it could force are ever improving talents to move on. Wenger needs to keep them happy.

    Midfield looks quite busy and full of options, not sure we will be buying a defensive midfielder to replace Flamini with Song, Gilberto, Djourou, Diaby and Denilson all being able to fill in. Maybe if Gilberto is told he is not needed any longer then thats when someone will come in, Frings looks good and has a bundle of experience.

    Also IF Hleb leaves i would love to see one of the German wingers (Pod or Schwein) come in, they look like they will be very accustomed to the Premiership in my eyes. Silva looks like a handy player, techincally sound, but we need some German steel along with quality i reckon. Our midfield is very lightweight, and without the snappy Flamini we need to bulk it up a bit more. We cant have all these slick one touch players right across the midfield, midfield area is a battle, if we dont win the battle we wont get a chance to take advantage of our passing game.

  13. Hello Yogi and all gunners!!!

    Yogi you are right, I think we do lack the “true gunner” leadership and presence of TONY ADAMS. There is just no replacement for him. But I guess expecting someone like adams at this day and age is like expecting the sun to rise from the west. So we have to get on.

    If Gallas gets it, HE BETTER CLEAN UP HIS ACT, or we should kick him out. It will be interesting to see how he does if he indeed is the captain. He will have to show good leadership and strength to disprove What I still suspect he is: “CAPTAIN OF THE GOOD TIMES ONLY”. I remember him complaining within 3 months of joining the club. He is being given another chance, any more moaning or undermining the club and HE SHOULD BE KICKED OUT!!!

    Contrary to what others believe I think it is VERY IMPORTANT. It may not be mandatory, but I think having an inspiration and a true symbol of the club in a player as captain certainly gives a team a great edge especially in trying circumstances, like Tony was for us.

    Could you imagine liverpool winning the 2006 champions league without STEVEN GERRARD??? Lets say, they had DECO instead of gerrard, who skill-wise is no less than gerrard. Do any gunner think it would have been the same for liverpool??? No I dont think so, that is why I believe there is a need for an inspiritional leader, a player that all can look up to in the team!!!

    The worrying thing is that I dont see anyone in the team to fill those boots left by adams. The only player with remote resemblance of that is KOLO TOURE. Well, whether arsene gives him the armband is another matter, but I think kolo is the best we got!!

    All in all, I think if there is a catch to arsene’s foreign policy then it is this issue. And arsene need to sort, and I KNOW HE CAN SORT IT OUT!!!

    Cheers!!!

  14. STATEMENT FROM ADEBAYOR’S AGENT

    Stop dissin us Arsenal, we know other clubs are giving it large and we just wont a fair size
    of the cake, u know wot we mean. We went to Kenyon, and saw this fatbulous bulge sticking out his backsize and we know that is a humoungous slice of the action. We now on the breadlines, but we remain loyal to the Arse, as Wenger is great man, and he not dissin anybody, but we just say play fair, and give us our dues man, me the 20% that is hard earnt, so I can retire earlies, and for Ade, the money he is dues man. My cient diserves the good things in life man, like a private jet, boat, maserati, villa in Dubai and subscription to Arsenal TV – everything dat is enjoyed by the average Arsenal fan, and we feels we are on the breadlines.. PLEASE MR HILL WOOD and MR FIZMAN… can we have some more…

  15. nice one Yogi.

    Captaincy i think is going to be a major major issue…. and I for one think that it will be gilberto and gallas sharing it. Other than these two I can’t say we have anyone else for that job. Cesc being the captain is being too immature i think.

    But senderos to me carries the look of a captain every time i see him on field. He has been punished for Arsene’s inability to give him a consistent run of games.

    About buying a center back… I vaguely remember these two statements from arsene…
    ” I NO LONGER think I am going to buy a center back”
    and
    “I hope Nordveit will make the big step to the first team coming season”
    I can’t help but think that we will be seeing Nordveit in PL matches…. with Ignasi Miquel taking his place in reserves i guess????

    When is it going to start!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  16. i think the easiest thing to do is to shoot as does who are in the firing line. Gallas has leadership qualities and we have to remember he was never groomed to be a leader so he learnt on the job. i for think it is good he went thru all the ups and downs last season which could only improve his judgement and leadership skills for the coming season.

  17. Gunner4life!!

    “senderos to me carries the look of a captain every time i see him on field.”

    ARE YOU SERIOUS??

    Mate! what have you been smoking???

    Every time Arsene leaves Senderos out of the team, that is one of the times I greatly appreciate Arsene’s management!!!

    Please let senderos be! there has been too much here in this blog, I just dont want to start off about Senderos, because I want to respect the views of the other gunners here including yourself. there is vehement disput about senderos so we have all ageed a STATUS QUO about senderos till the start of the season!!!

    G4L, Dont get me wrong, I respect you and dont mean anything insulting towards you. But please. please, let senderos be for now!!!

    As for Arsene’s statement you qouted, I give you another qoute from him:

    “I have made mistakes and will continue to make mistakes”.

    If Arsene doesnt strengtheng the defence, he may well justify that statement of his!!

    Cheers!!!

  18. Lots of ticks Yogi!

    Good post, as said spot on, on the captaincy issue and also on the centre back situation.

    There is a bit of a leadership void at the club and you’re quite right in speaking of the qualities Tony Adams was exuding from the outset of his career. Age may be just a number, as many have pointed out, but Adams was the exception to the rule rather than the blueprint to follow. So while Fab continues to mature, both as a man and with the creative elements to his game, it would seem the armband would indeed be a burden to carry, far before he has reached his full potential.

    The fact that Adams and say Terry played or play Centre Half, maybe explains why the leadership was able to be managed on top of their normal game at such a tender age.

    I think we would all encourage Fab to experiment futher with his own game, maybe by shooting more often and taking up more advanced positions. This process would surely be curbed under the pressures of captaincy.

    It’s clear we have in the main a very likeable, mild-mannered young multi-cultural squad. I wonder if sometimes this lends itself, to quiet composed individuals, when we are at times crying out for vocal, demanding voices.

    Maybe, this will come with experience, maybe these youngsters have to win something before they can become these types.

    But, the next step for the likes of Clichy is to not only take care of their own individual role but take up the team mantle. This is something Gallas has worked hard to bring to his game, in that sense he is no Adams or Terry. Other players have added it in the past, Sol was not always a leading figure.

    Forget, the actual armband, they often talk of having eleven captains on the pitch, our Double sides certainly did, this is where this side can transform their fortunes.

  19. Gunner4life

    Sender-dross for captain are you mad? The guy makes too many mistakes in high profile games,Carling cup final,Seville away Liverpool in the CL.And he was poor for Switzerland in the Euros.
    Every time Sender-dross pulls on an Arsenal shirt we are waiting for a mistake to happen.Its sad but true

  20. Naga… i will never let my views down on sendy till he gets a consistent run of games.
    Enf said… and I don’t smoke.

    The talk of having eleven captains is a bit improbable in the sense that it is to idealistic… and it wont work. Give sendy the complete carling cup run and captaincy, continue with gallas as captain in the pl matches….. and captains cannot be bought.

    I am totally adament that Sendy is not another cygan and he is a class apart, better than all the german defenders put together in air.

    There aren’t many players who have committed so many blunders (or who are unfortunate in so many circumstances) and still be around the first team. He has gotten over those dissapointments and it will make him a stronger player for us.
    Presently I am sorry but in terms of carrying the team on shoulders (TA did it literally) there is none i can think of for next season.

  21. sorry for jumbled up section in the post above.

  22. he was poor for switzerland in euros??? and I am mad u say????

  23. Danny.. very good comment my man

    Its not about the 1 individual captain, but its about having 11 players out their setting an example for each other all the time. Players shouldnt look to others for inspiration, they need to all come of age and take control themselves, this has happened to some extent following Henry’s departure, this comin season i think more players will step up even further. Gallas isnt as bad as everyone outside of Arsenal makes him out to be, when he was scoring them last minute winners he was captain fantastic, now hes captain zero, TIP OF THE DAY, ignore the press peaople ;)

  24. its not sad and its not true

  25. Gunner4life

    Im with you on this, Senderos is class, he can look amazing most the time then 1 mistake will set him back to square one.

    Hopefully he will cut these mistakes down a bit, then Naga and many other over reacting supporters will get off his back!

  26. I read this blog regularly, and i also read the comments as there are usually very good debates and some people have educated, measured opinions. I have one main problem though.

    It is called Naga Gunner. I have nothing against you but your continuous over use of exclamation marks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, CAPITAL LETTERS and laughter HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAH is pretty annoying. If you didn’t persist with the use of them, this blog would be even more enjoyable. You make good points if not slightly exagerated (but everyones are), so please please please stop with the annoying grammar?

    A request from a fellow arsenal supporter and i dont mean to insult you in anyway, just a means of constructive criticisim.

    Thanks

  27. Arsenal Supporter

    Naga is entitled to his opinion and over exageration of grammar, i admit it is annoying but if he feels he has to type in that wat to prove a point, it means he isnt too confident in his own personal view on matters. Sorry Naga but it is true,. ur screaming and raving about Senderos constantly, Adebayor also, and whoever else you have slated. This is our team we are talking about and i like contructive criticism of players but not destructive.

  28. ARSENAL SUPPORTER!!

    Dont worry I saw your response in the last post, and I appreciate that, mate!!

    I have been told about it by other gunners here. Some have compared me to a rambling 5 year old and there have been calls to keep me out. I respect the opinions of those other gunners as well, despite the criticism , because whatever our differences, there is one thing in which we are all the same, (whather we like it or not): We all want arsenal to be the GREATEST CLUB in the world!!

    Many good friends of mine here like TORONTO/CHRISGOONA etc… kindly tolerate my little, out of order writing style and dont seem to mind now. We have very good banters here whatever our writing style, so I hope it will be the same with you as well!!

    My friend, The difference is because, while many gunners gunners write here like they are giving formal articles which is absolutely fine, I tend to take it more as a direct conversation which brings in the CAPS denoting STRESS on the word. If we were having a conversation and I said those words to you the words in CAPS would sound a bit LOUDER! Its just my way of writing, thats all!!

    So my friend, I hope to have other discourses with you in the future, and hope that as long as you get the point you will not mind the CAPS and the others!!!. But even if you decide to IGNORE my posts, Just keep supporting ARSENAL the greatest club in the world!!!

    Whatever you do, you are a gunner and thats good enough for me to consider you as a pal!!

    THANKS AND CHEERS!!!

  29. ha ha ha…

    CHRISGOONA!

    Thank you! Point taken!!!

    P.S. By the way this are the players I have NEVER slated: Fabregas, RVP, Bentner,clichy,sagna,theo,flamini,eduardo,hoyte,rosicky and toure.

    I dont intend to slate them in the future either!!!

    Cheers!!!

  30. Naga

    U cant use the we all are Arsenal supporters as a getaway from the fact that you do stress too much my friend. Its stress from these bloggs, and stupid media related articles that have increased the pressure on our team in the last 3 years. I know we havent won anything, but we havnt exactly done badly considering the move of stadium, and the rebuilding of our team (the invinsibles)… we lost alot of great players in Bergkamp, Pires, Campbell, Ljungberg, Vieira, Henry for whatever reasons they may be. We dont need supporters stressing everyone else out, that is the key point here.

  31. Senderos

    poor guy i dont know how his mental make up wud be considering all his blunders…he wud need to be especially strong mentally to take all that criticism and come out good…i am sure that mental condition is one reason arsene cud look at letting him go cause he wud be concious of not making mistake…that will keep him focussed but wud remain nervous..and being nervous i dont think is best thing a defender shud be..

  32. By the way, what is the derivation of “Naga gunner”? Is it from “nagging” or a place near Nagasaki, or some other source – are you prepared to disclose your heritage?

  33. Big Johan!!

    I am from neither mate!! Good guess though!!

    Cheers!!!

  34. Heard we told AC Milan we want 35.8m for Adebayor no less!!.. now thas playin hard to get. But maybe we are just trying to scare AC off and do a deal with Barca for a player..??

  35. how can senderos be captain, he isn’t even in the first choice team.
    Toure is surely the only candidate after Gallas.

  36. Chrisgoona, my friend!

    I absolutely agree with you mate! Its just that I get annoyed when players undermine the club I am a bit of a stickler for these things. And I get irritated when I feel that the club is not rectifying defects which have been dragging for a long time like YOU KNOW WHO!!

    But I appreciate the fact that you and many other gunners have been constructive in whatever you have stated.I guess I am passionate and do fly off the handle sometimes but I will try to keep more restraint in the future!!

    Anyway enough about me!! CHRIS What do you fell about the “imminent” arrival of Bischoff to the club??? Mate I have to say that a player eho hardly got a game for bremen is not what we meed now dont you think???

  37. I think we are being unfair to Gallas after just one season with the armband. I agree that some leaders have natural ability and stand out in the crowd but others develop when the situation arises.

    So to discount the whole team as having no strong leaders shows a lack of foresight. Gallas handled himself admirably for 2 thirds of the season and rose to the challenge, grabbing games by the scruff og the neck and scoring crucial goals in crucial games against Manure, Chelski, Bolton,Wigan. Most leaers are flawed geniuses anyway who are not infaliable. Was not Tony Adams himself a raving alcoholic and constnatly being banned and locked up for his off the pitch shennanigans. We have rightly judged him over his contributions over an illustrious career and the trophies he has helped the club to win. So lets judged Gallas at the end of his career. otherwise its a bit rich based on his show of passion and emotional breakdown at St Andrews and loss of confidence following this. Toure and Gilberto look like worthy replacements but for consitencies sake give Gallas a chance.

  38. WENGER ENGLISH SHOCK

    Henri Lansbury, Jay Emmanuel Thomas, Kyle Bartley, Thomas Cruise, Sanchez Watt and Rhys Murphy were are signed by Arsenal, each on a 2 year contract.

    Scientists are puzzled by the move, stating that the DNA of each of the players are english, and this will now confuse the make up of the squad:

    “These players will have certain behavioural characteristics that will now be thrown into the mix. Our observations so far have found they frequent other primates in London nightclubs, bookmakers and speak an untelligible local dialect”.

    All players have trained at Arsenal since they were 9 years old. A lack of french, at this stage though, is an unknown quantity.

  39. “a player who hardly got a game for bremen is not what we need”

    SORRY!!!

  40. Naga

    We dont anything about the player from Bremen, he is by all acounts highly regarded there, just had a few iinjury problems. Wenger has been monitoring him closely for a number of years now so he cant be that bad. Besides hes bought him in for the reserve team so what is the problem with that. He is FREE also and may turn out to be another Vieira/Henry signing so i wouldnt criticise a wenger signing so soon mate.

  41. Naga

    Also, was you saying the same thing when we signed Sagna last year..?? that we dont need him because you never heard of him before. Wasnt Sagna the best Right Back in the premiership?

    Wenger knows talent, why would he buy him if he thought he wasnt good enough?

  42. G4L. Definitely well said Re Gallas.

    I do believe for constancy sake that he should continue as captain, i cant see much that he has done wrong in his first season as captain!

  43. by the way, morning all.. been quite a while eh?

    have we actually signed the bremen guy and how old is he

  44. a concise, objective and detached view from Appalachia where the creeks run clean and all the children are above average…

    there are none so blind as those who cannot see…

    ADE out, BERBATOV in…

    HLEB out, ARSHAVIN in…

    don’t tell me Spurs will never do it…they are spending big, knowing he’s going…they need the cash…SAF wants him, bad…we are not going to sit back and watch that happen…

    don’t tell me this wouldn’t be a MASSIVE improvement…small net cash outlay to be covered by sale of Denilson, Gilberto, Senderos.

    AW called me last night to check my approval…told him to go ahead.

  45. It looks like Santa Cruz is coming and Marcos Senna on a card!
    I think AW should let Ade go, as he knows that a lot of fans don’t see him as our main striker. It’s not good keeping a player you are not willing to get a contract is going to get elsewhere. You (AW)
    need to be more realistic and release him taking the money(£25M); That gives you times to find a replacement and training time with your squad.
    Gallas should remain our Captain. You seem to blame him for things even TH14 has never dared to try on pitch when we were losing a game.
    Good write up Yogi, as always.

  46. Blazon, very optimistic, cant see either player coming tbh.

    Wenger has many players in mind to bring to the Emirates, and hes known of them long b4 Arshavin’s little cameo in the Euro’s. Plus when has Wenger ever publicly said how much he liked a player in the news then went out and bought him – i think never.

    Spurs will never sell to us, even if Man U offered 10m less they wuld rather him go there!

  47. Hi All

    Naga is dragon in Sanskrit and hence Naga gunner has origin from the Indian sub continent, Indonesia, Malaysia or Singapore. He may be staying in Britain now but his orgin is from there. My guesswork Naga, do tell me I am wrong.

    Now for the Captaincy, Danny I think you are spot on but good Captains thrive in adversity , Gallas is too self involved to be a good captain. He has no sense of his fellow gunners when he sat on the pitch after Birmingham’s game. We always try to give some one second chances but is the Captaincy too important to risk. May be we should rotate abit just like what Capella did for England. Being captain is an honour and it needs to be earned.

    Up The Arse!!!

  48. naga

    Senderos is at par with Eboue. The most useless players we don’t need playing for the Arsenal. He’s one of Arsene’s mistakes but he’ll continue with him because he doesn’t want to admit that he’s failed with him too.

    Senderos as captain? Is like making an incompetent person as a leader. What good example can Senderos give? He’s only in the league of Cygan’s, Stepanov’s and Luzhny’s; he can never be better.

    Have you forgotten how McCarthy licked him in the FA semi-finals in the 2006/7 season. Then Drogba in the CC finals, then at Servilla and at Anfield?

    Eventually, he’ll get frustrated and leave like the others of his class.

  49. I think our 4 top candidates should be all given trials with the captains armband also, rotate it around every now n then and see who responds better.

    1st Gallas leads the team out for opening 2 or 3 games…

    2nd Toure gets his chance

    3rd Cesc has a turn

    even give Clichy a chance after that!.. now that will build some team spirit and healthy competition within the team. A few arguments over, but we will see who can be a good captain 1st hand.

  50. Yogi, enjoyable as always. Muppet, keep up the good work!

    I’m now resigned to Ade leaving. The only thing that worries me is where the 30 goals are going to come from. The midfield showed the potential last year but ran out of steam quite early and any striker that Wenger brings in will likely need some time to adjust unless he, gasp, brings in someone from the PL. Given his modus operandi I seriously doubt this. I would expect Eduardo, assuming he makes a complete mental and physical recovery, to be back on form in January and to provide some goals but 30 is a lot to make up. I don’t think Bendtner is ready either from a technical standpoint or a maturity standpoint to pick up the slack and Van Persie will likely be out for a month or two before Christmas given his history. Vela and Nasri (if he is even coming) likely won’t be more than 5 goals apiece. So where are the goals going to come from? Either way without strengthening the back line and conceding fewer I think we would be in for some tough times without Ade.

    One thing that also has me thinking a bit…Hleb has said he wants to go but it has been more than a month now and he’s gone nowhere, Ade talks about going but he’s gone nowhere either. Arsenal don’t have to sell and if they don’t the players are sort of in a tough spot. If they sulk and don’t play well intentionally they will hurt their value and won’t be able to command the gobs of money their overinflated egos think they are worth.

    What if Ade and Hleb end up staying? With Vela and Nasri (if he ever shows up) added to the squad thing would be looking good. Perhaps too much to hope for and an example of how naive I might be but still, that would be a good squad!

  51. Gris gris, understand where ur coming from about hurting their value if we keep them. But we shouldnt be a selling club in the 1st place, these players aint just squad players, they are 1st team regulars! If we let them go every year then we will have no chance of winning anything, continuity is the key, the INVINCIBLE team was built from this principle where 1 signing was made prior to that season and that was the GK Lehmann.

    Players at Arsenal should learn to respect their contracts here and appreciate the fact that Wenger has given them this opportunity and not hold the club to ransom when things are going well for them. In a way they are threatening the club for more wages and why, because we persisted with them through the times where they couldnt put in a solid performance paying them well, now they are playing well they want more n more every season. If this is the case then a clause should be set in contracts to when a player doesnt perform well they dont get paid.

  52. Gris

    Ade is good and was good at leading the line combined with hard work. We played a lot with lone striker when we had Ade(he is dead to me now). So we have to change our system to suit the personnels we have. Bentdner/Eduardo, RVP/Eduardo, RVP /Bentdner partnership up front etc. IF we play well we will score. Manytimes Ade juts happens to be there to score. Not many goals are from nowhere, some one had to pass to him. NOw it will be a new recruit which could be world class with the amount of money coming in bandied around for Ade or even what we have now.

    No one is indispensible, we worried when TH 14 left but along come Ade. Now some one else will take his place.

    Up The Arse!!!

  53. Gris Gris,

    You never know and can our team possibly have a torrid a time with injuries as last season?

    Surely not!

    I would hazard a guess that one of Ade or Hleb will go. Simply because that is the how the boss sees the side evolving and that along with improving our football it would represent good value.

    I would like to see one more incoming or two if you include the on-going Nasri saga. That player would be either a Centre-Half or Defensive Midfielder.

    I see the potential to fill either of those roles withion our own squad, but just feel it may be a bridge too far to expect two players to mature into their respective positions, A’la Flamini!

  54. ‘Hleb is not leaving,’ Wenger said last season. What is his real position on this?

    (1) Does he genuinely think Hleb can be persuaded to stay and, more important, will be happy and settled here and not suffer a dip in effort or form?
    (2) Is he holding out for a principle and would play Hleb in the reserves till the end of his contract if need be?

    As far as most fans are concerned, the sooner both Hleb and Ade are sold for the maximum money the better, but for Wenger there’s a principle to fight for, and – I would guess – Hleb and Ade won’t be treated the same way.

    Thirty million for Ade represents a huge profit and would buy us two to three quality players – not to be sniffed at. Also, history suggests Ade shouldn’t be allowed near Arsenal ever again. At Metz, once he began angling for a move, he had to train separately he was having such a disruptive effect on the rest of the squad At Monaco the manager said he couldn’t keep a player who’d ‘lost touch with reality’ – sounds familiar. Playing for Togo (or rather refusing to play), his team-mates were reduced to pleading with him, at which point Ade said (a) he had stomach ache and (b) he wanted to go to Lome to visit his mum.

    In short, let’s just hope someone is stupid enough to sign the cheque before his antics make him completely unsellable. Trouble is, if his destination is Barca, will they have enough money to buy Hleb as well? They’d be wise to, as without Hleb’s patient service Ade won’t be scoring 30 goals a season, thumping his chest and kissing the badge. But then wisdom isn’t Laporta’s strong suit.

    Could it be Wenger saw all this coming? Hleb is actually a much more valuable player than Ade, but that isn’t reflected in his price and the profit for us that he commands. Hleb makes other players look better (as Cesc pointed out), whereas Ade pigs out on the glory. What will Hleb do if the only reasonable offer comes from Wolfsburg? Knuckle down in Hampstead probably and continue to work as hard as he can. He’s got no bargaining power at all, the poor love, not being a selfish, flashy player or a distruptive one, which makes him a perfect test case in Wenger’s fight for a principle. Oh the injustice of life!

  55. Gris gris!!

    Dont worry,We will be alright without ade! I would simply love to see santa cruz take the mantle. Anybody got an update on the ZAPATA story. Unlike the others I would be excited about him.

    CHRISGOONA!!

    I wasnt optimistic but reserved my opinion on sagna when he signed. Mate he was 24. Its just that amaury is 20, for which I was concerned!!

    MALAYSIAN GUNNER!!

    ha ha ha.. Naga is not the “sanskrit dragon” though I would love to be a dragon!! ha ha..thats a good one..

    cheers!!!

  56. MIA!!

    I completely agree with you that ade must be sold quickly. I think his price will plummet, if we wait another season. We could have sold henry for a WORLD RECORD if it had been after the UCL final, because david dein revealed that when henry signed his extension! He eventually went for 16 million. It was the same with viera.

    I dont want hleb to go but it seems done. Mia do you think arsene will be able to keep this team together??? I am starting to get concerned!!

  57. Hi All

    I am now adding to the rumour mill. Some obscure Italian blog is saying that Milan after being priced out of Ade is no after Bendtner. Meeting with Bendtner’s father and all that jazz.

    This third rate club that can not even get in to the CL is now trying to poach all our players. AW is that good at selecting.. that must be the case. Soon it will be Sendy Naga, keep your fingers crossed.

    Up The Arse!!!

  58. Hleb

    poor guy i dont think he has many options..he might be worried man now..no one specifically wants him and his agaent and he has done quiet a damage here….

    my guess is he will stay and ade will go..only cause ade is more wanted and will fetch us good cash..hleb will some time into the new season get an improved contract..which he will derserve..

  59. We dont know how good Ade will be in years to come, you cannot liken him to Henry as Henry was a far older player when he played in the CL final. Dont you think C Ronaldo is worth more this year than last? many doubted he could play as well this season before but he actually exceeded the last. Who knows how good Ade will become, lets hope great, so that if we dont sell him this year, we will make even more money when he does leave.

    I believe Vela will score more than five goals, he looks quite good for Mexico, so i dont see why he wouldnt be able to.

    Lets be postive and not jinx our players by saying they are going to get injured and score few goals. just as the bad can happen so can the postive.

    Im excited about this season.

    God Bless!

  60. Paul N

    Vela will be the revelation along with Walcott, with Gods grace we will finally goal scoring wingers something that Will take us to the trophies we all desperately want.

    On the subject of Ade he has talent but with out the right focus will just end up being another Nicolas Anelka story, going where ever the dollar bills illuminate most.

  61. Naga means snake in Sanskrit and a state in the northeast of India is called Nagaland. Possibly Naga’s home state.

    Wenger has quitely gone about his business in the transfer market and the wheels havent stopped rolling in the club even in his absence. The paperwork hasnt stopped happening and if any player/ player’s family has wanted to see Wenger before signing they have been flown in to meet him. Wenger continues to put an exorbitant price tag on the ‘core players’ in the first team and if anybody is prepared to pay that kind of silly money, the club could easily find the funds for adequate reinforcements if required.

    Bischoff seems to be injury prone but so were Clichy and Santa Cruz at his age before they recovered and found fitness. Werder Bremen wouldnt have offered him a new contract if they didnt rate him and in any case he is a Strasbourg academy product and Wenger knows any notable talents graduating from there. I guess if he regains fitness he could be second choice on the right wing after Hleb. Perhaps Wenger now views Eboue only as a cover for Sagna at right back.

  62. good one yogi and naga i dont mind the grammar or the exclamation marks p.s. theres a reason wenger persists with sendoras , he is quality and he only needs to work on his concentration levels and speed . he may have had bad games and scored sme owngoals but so did john terry earlier in his carrier and made many mistakes as well ! the point is u can never truly judge how much a player improves take flaminis example ! one season a buckingham city quality player the next ac milan so chill out with sme of the young guys in our squad ! sendoras needs time and a consistent run ! during the season when toure was injured after the acn sendy stepped up and took control and his ultimate game was at the san siro .

  63. Didn’t mean to jinx anyone but I just think Vela is young and will take time to adjust to the PL. Same with Nasri (if he ever arrives will be my tag line any time I mention him from now on). 5 goals would be pretty good considering their age and the leagues they are coming from. Laughing my head off at Milan being “priced out” of the Ade market. What a joke. At least Wenger is going to stick it to anyone who wants Ade, but then teams may do the same to Arsenal if they want some players. The monies being bandied about for players right now are simply ludicrous. The mad mad world just keeps getting worse.

  64. Alex i do hope you are right about AW seeing Ebuoe as only cover for right back but i think in games he wants defensive cover doen the right he will be employed, but i do hope i am wrong.

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  66. I agree that Ade has to be sold. But I also understand what Barca are doing and why he is so valuable to Arsenal. It is not just the goals. Did you guys watch Spain demolish Germany? For the first 10 minutes the Germans were stifling the Spanish midfield. So they started kicking it into space where they could put Torres one-on-one with a defender. Obviously he scored, and that goal forced Germany to defend him more seriously, leaving more space for the midfield to operate in. Game over. That is what a physical striker can do. Can Bendtner do that? He has skills, but I haven’t seen that he has the speed or the motor to keep going all game. He will be more like Berbatov or Bergkamp, a brilliant schemer…if he ever gets close to their level. I would say bring in Villa with the money. A perfect Arsenal player. But not a replacement. See what I mean: Ade had and would have had an important role in our team.

    As for Hleb, he is wanted. I want him at Arsenal! Now all he needs to do is score consecutive hat-tricks and I’m sure the rest of you will forgive him everything. Ditto Eboue! :-)

  67. BTW, Senna would be an awesome fit for Arsenal. I watched him a lot last year with Villareal and he was their best player. He is also very good going forward; very creative. However, that would mean Gilberto leaves (no need for two 32 year old DMs.

    What Senna offers is a defensive shield who is more reliable than Flamini, who is calm like Gilberto, who can make good passes, and who can score from free-kicks. Bring him in for two years and let him teach Denilson how to play that position.

  68. If Ade has an average season his value will plummet. BUT on the bright side no one will want him! I dont think he is a dependable player. He could easily have a season where he scores only 15 goals IMO. As I have said for a while if we can replace with Santa Cruz and make £10m into the bargain then thats good business. If that means wenger can go out and buy a DM or CB then thats exactly what he should do.

    My team for West Brom!!

    Almunia
    Sagna Toure Gallas Clichy
    Walcott Cesc Gilberto Nasri
    Bendtner RVP

    7 subs: Fabianski, Vela, Diaby, Djourou, Ramsey, Eboue, Senderos

    Rosicky and Eduardo to return a little later.

    No Ade or Hleb!

  69. Gazzap, the problem with the profit theory, as many have pointed out, is that our board seems to treat Arsenal as a cash cow. If we get 30 million, let’s spend it. Of course any player we bring in at that price will have higher wages than we have been giving Ade…

  70. Gazzap,

    Personally I just cannot understand this obsession with Santa Cruz. Yes he has had a strong first season showing, I seem to remember, Benni McCarthy having a good first season, I’m pretty sure Chelsea fans are glad they did not follow up that alleged interest.

    He has certainly fallen flat second time around. Mourinho knew too much having had him at Porto as somewhat of a bench player, but the story seemed good to the hacks at the time.

    Now it’s our turn with Santa Cruz. He hardly set the world alight in the Bundesliga, he was only at the outstanding club in the league. Yes he had injuries, but they saw fit to ship him out for whatever they could get and if many clubs came calling, I missed it.

    Bayern replaced him with Toni, who has been all together more successful and frankly we do not want him either. Santa Cruz like McCarthy has found his level, he may struggle as a known entity this time around. He scored very few outstanding goals and as gaping weaknesses go, his complete lack of pace, just does not fit.

    Bendtner is a similar…ish, but a far better player in the making. Santa Cruz may be a Ferguson type signing, Saha, Andy Cole being prime examples of a limited scouting network who may have stretched themselves to Match of the Day, but a Wenger signing he is most certainly not.

    As for Blackburn pricing him fairly, let us not forget the prices McCarthy was ridiculously quoted at.

    Not interested, unless it is smoke screen for the real business.

  71. I just fail to believe Ade is as bad as those quotes make him sound

    maybe he was misunderstood and will soon come out to refute them?!

  72. Also, is senna really better than Gilberto has been for us? Are they not the same age bracket?

    Cos I feel Flamini kept Berto out on merit and it affected his overall performance

    Am sure if he is fully back in the first team, he will do well.

  73. Naga, I agree, keeping the team together is a concern. We tore up the Invincibles and started from scratch; now it sometimes feels like we’re having to do it again.

    Still, if Rosicky and Van P can manage more than a couple of games, and if Hleb, poor sod, has to stay, we should have enough continuity in key positions to allow Nasri and Vela (plus a new striker, with luck) to integrate gradually. I just hope we make the key signings early enough this time so the new players get a proper pre-season to bed in to the team. We’ve got the Champions League qualifier, don’t forget, without Cesc (who’ll be on holiday), Rosicky or Eduardo. Thankfully the league fixtures aren’t bad.

    I’m not that worried about losing ‘La Bomba’, as the Italian papers are calling him – too right, in more senses than one – but I don’t see Bendtner as a direct replacement – not enough pace. If Milan are prepared to offer us good money for him, I’d be quite tempted. Depends, I suppose on whether we’ve got anyone better lined up.

    I’m inclined to agree with NYmarcus and Myles Palmer that Wenger will try to use Hleb as a test case, as the bargaining power – for once – is with us. It’s clear that Wenger feels strongly that an important principle is at stake, but it occurs to me that it cuts both ways. I mean, if contracts are increasingly meaningless, why should we be so noble and respectful towards other clubs? I’m sure Benzema would prefer us to Lyon, especially we offered him in wages what we offered Ade at the end of last season…

    Interesting piece in The Times. Wenger thinks Modric won’t cope with being kicked black and blue and left with his foot hanging off. I was miserable when Spurs got him as I knew Wenger liked him at lot. So that’s the explanation. What a lot Martin Taylor and Alex McCleish have to answer for. That injury cost us not just Eduardo himself, Gallas’s composure, the League title (in Wenger’s view) and the Champions League possibly, it also cost us Hleb, who decided to leave at that point, and maybe the signing of Modric.

  74. Senderos needs to work beside gallas toure as right back. he need a mentor like what henry was to ade.gallas fits that

  75. Great post Yogi….thanks.

    Yeah, the irony of Cygan’s comment

    “They rarely make mistakes” He doesn’t think his part of the rare statistic? :)

  76. No, I don’t want Santa Cruz. I think Bendtner is potentially better but my problem with him is his lack of pace, as I’ve said, which is surely important for our fast attacking style and it’s not a quality he is going to acquire. There’s also the question of how we’re to use him, in what partnership(s), what formation(s). We know he’s OK in a 4-4-2 with Eduardo, but could he play with Van Persie? I don’t like the idea of him as lone striker in a 4-5-1, so probably 4-3-3 with Eduardo and Van Persie or Walcott would be the best option? I’d rather have Villa or Benzema in place of Ade and Bendtner, however.

    California, forget Senna. He may have been the player of the Euros but he’s 31, and Wenger doesn’t buy anyone that old. Not ever. Mid-twenties, 24-25 is his limit.

  77. Mia, you are probably right about that. I just note that I watched him a lot for Villareal and that he didn’t just do it for 3 games (which old tired legs can manage). He did it all year. But I don’t actually think he will come — i am just arguing his merits.

  78. Martin `Tiny` Taylor will only ever be remembered for one thing & he has to live with that. I blame McCleish as much actually, especially after hearing about his interview on local radio prior to the game when he said his lads would `get stuck in`. I`m still raw now & it`s almost 6 months on !

    Moving on ,having seen Modric perform at the Euros (yes, I know it`s not the EPL) I`m gutted we didn`t get him especially as he`s gone to the Spuds too.

    I`ll be disappointed if we don`t get maximum money for Ade. I see him as a character who will act like this wherever he is & believe he`ll never stay anywhere for long.

    Hleb may be different. His options appear to be Wolfsberg or staying with us & unless that changes I think he`ll stay.

    As for incomings, I don`t rate Santa Cruz & Senna is too old but would use Ade`s cash on Huntelaar & Veloso.

  79. Paulie Walnuts, I agree, McLeish is far more to blame than the hapless Taylor. Hope it costs him his career (which it could do as Birmingham won’t be getting any more of our players on loan).

    Let’s hope there may now be a minimal shift in the cultural climate and that type of manager will begin to fall out of favour. Otherwise I fear a bit for both Nasri and Vela who look on the frail side to me – frailer than Modric in fact, which makes me think that Wenger may have had other good reasons for leaving him to Spurs and – as so often – he’ll be proved right. I remember being similarly gutted when Spurs signed Zakora! I know, I know, but at the time he looked the real deal and was massively hyped by people whose views I respect.

  80. Mia,

    I know what you mean – it`s difficult to know how these players will perform until they are actually performing in the EPL.

    I`m hoping Nasri & Vela both have enough talent & `ticker`to make it especially if refs can help them out (fairly) or else there will be plenty more MOTD quips from Lawro & Co about how Arsenal don`t like it up `em

  81. Mia, I saw Bendtner and Van Persie combine very well against Steaua Bucharest at the Emirates. It looked like a promising partnership. Bendtner also combines well with Eduardo.

    Re Modric, I think if Zagreb hadn’t doubled his price tag, Arsene may have taken a chance on him, but at £16m it’s a much bigger risk if he has concerns about his physique. Whilst the diminutive/creative players were protected in the Euro’s and were up against defenders who can play football, in the Premiership there are still a good few ‘Tiny Taylor’ types who replace their lack of talent to tackle effectively with ‘getting stuck in’. Also, whilst Modric showed a few good touches, he did disappear in most games and showed some mental frailty with his penalty miss against Turkey.

    I agree that Nasri looks slight, whereas, Vela actually looks like he has filled out a bit and maybe he will be tougher than we think? I certainly hope so.

  82. On Gallas it is simple, he is not a commanding defender.
    In a lot of key games physical players see him as a weekness in our defence.
    Kolo is a lot more physical and has better recovery pace. I cannot see AW further hinder Kolo by leaving Gallas as captain. As captain means he will be the first on the team sheet.

    Further more Wenger surely knows he can no longer play two small defenders in EPL

  83. Shango. I agree. I used to think the world of Gallas…best one-on-one defender in the game. but both for Arsenal this last year and for France I saw him get beaten a lot both in the air and with strikers slipping in behind him. If anyone has to e swapped out of central defense for a more commanding presence, it should be him. But a big name like that could be hard to move and get value, and it may be that Wenger wants to hold on to him for one more year.

  84. California Gooner & Shango,

    I’d really like to see a return to the days when our two central defenders provided an almost impregnable barrier to the opposition.

    That was when both of our centre halves were 6ft plus, dominant in the air & fully conversant with the so called ‘dark arts’ of defending.

    As much as I have time for both Toure & Gallas, I think that if we are serious about winning major silverware, we simply can’t do it with two relatively short central defenders.

    I think the purchase of two tall, commanding, ball playing centre halves would significantly increase our chances of winning silverware & solidify our defending, particularly in the air.

    You just have to look at the roles played by the two sets of central defenders in the last champions league final to see how important it is to get those positions right.

    We already have the best full backs in the premier league. Just think how solid we’d be if we had our own versions of Ferdinand & Vidic, or even Carvalho & Terry.

    No team would be able to bully our defence.

  85. Magneto

    I fully subscirbe to the idea of at least one good commanding experience defender. 2 May be asking for too much. Kolo I have all the time in the world. The more I think of Gallas the less I think he is suitable for our team. Too high profile to bench but not good enough to complement Kolo. Yes he did score a few of those Tony Adams goals but that is not his primary role. We need to be inpenetrable in the center. I would love to hear the repeat chants of 1-0 to the Arsenal.

    Up The Arse!!!!

  86. Magneto:
    “two tall, commanding, ball playing centre halves”

    those would be zapata and kompany, kompany is more like a own show kind of player … very very brave in terms of going forward but he has pace to burn… much like clichy. But since clichy is a fullback, others can cover up for him better since the wings dont provide direct threat in goal. In case of center backs… its very risky.

    I really believe we have got zapata…. its very very quiet about him… isnt it?…

    And I can’t believe senderos not being sold this summer and still not getting games… just can’t see it. Surely wenger would have known by now that he needs to be a regular.. In the euros with the swiss he seemed to start getting into positions much much earlier than other defenders… his reading of game is superb…where as kolo can make it up by his great pace… and gallas can by kicking the sideboards.

    I think we will see senderos in action more often this time……I really really hope he comes of age…. he deserves to get luck after the torrid time he has had.


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