Posted by: Yogi's Warrior | May 17, 2008

Top Of The Transfer Pops, Flamini Hits A Sour Note, Arsene Sings A Song

[Cue ‘Whole Lotta Love’ by Led Zeppelin]

Morning Pop Pickers, Arsene ‘Fluff’ Wenger here, it’s time to see who Top of the Transfer Pops this morning. In at Number Five is Yoann Gorcuff from AC Milan with nothing more tenuous than a supposed previous interest in the player to boost his rankings. One higher is Lillian Thuram from Barcelona, an ageing central defender, the rationale for signing him can only be to buy time to allow Senderos, Djourou, Nortveidt or Song time to develop. At number three, replacing Mathieu Flamini is Miguel Veloso, an even more rank outside than Thuram to make it to the top on the basis that it would cost around £24m to sign him. Hot on the heels of the Number One slot is Diego from Werder Bremen, replacing the as-of-yet undeparted Alexander Hleb. Shooting straight in at the top of charts from out of the left field is Samir Nasri and this one could stay there and run for weeks yet. A good ‘un? Not ‘arf! Now let’s go to Wembley for Aretha and Otis belting out ‘Respect’ to keep ‘Appy ‘Arry smiling.

[‘Whole Lotta Love’ fades out]

Arsene moved to quell expectations about incoming players,

I think a huge player is better than a huge name. You have huge names who produce very little at the moment. There is plenty of demand from players who want to join us and what we need next year is two or three maybe. We just need talent

Whether he was referring to any of his own players in an oblique way, I am not sure. It is of course, ability that counts but for supporters (or some at least) that is not the primary motivation of transfers. A growing trend in football now is to want big names. English football is held as the bastion of the world’s best but is that necessarily true? There are a number of good players from overseas yet how many true greats play in this country. Less than half-a-dozen although that is a debate for another day, as my own view is that an awful lot of players we are told are going to remembered for years to come will be forgotten like yesterday’s chip papers, media hype overstating their abilities.

Mathieu Flamini has spoken in this morning’s Sun about his decision to leave Arsenal, launching a vigorous defence of his move,

Those who say I left for money should think that I signed as a twenty year old and I left with the same salary I had when I came to Arsenal. If money was the reason I played for Arsenal, they why did I play for four years with the same contract?

Well, Matt, principally because the club did not offer you a new one until this season because you had not earned a regular first team spot. That he earned one in his last season is a quirk of fate; had Gilberto been available from the off, I do wonder if Flamini would have been given his chance but that is if’s, but’s and maybe’s. He did get his chance and took it spectacularly well. However please do not insult us by claiming money had nothing to do with your decision.

It might not have been the principal reason because there are some things that he said which drive home a somewhat unpalatable message for the club and supporters. Arsenal is a big club in England yet their reputation in Europe is not the same. It is a simple fact. No Champions League win; one Cup Winners Cup and a Fairs Cup. Lost finals in all three competitions. Nothing that compares with the clubs that have the biggest reputations, the ones to whom we supposedly always lose our ‘stars’ to.

Flamini rams that home,

It’s one of the biggest clubs in the world – with millions of fans everywhere, an enormous history and one of the biggest trophy cabinets in the world. Milan are in the Champions League final every couple of years. Arsenal are a big club too and they have ambition

The problem Flamini has is that past performance is no guarantee of the future. Whilst Milan have enjoyed a ‘purple patch’ of three Champions League finals in the past five years, it had been a decade prior since their last similar run and before that a good fifteen years. However, the perception as Flamini sees it remains. And that is what Arsenal have to battle against. The only way to do that is to win Old Big Ears and consistently reach the last four. Only then will the perception of the club change.

When it comes to contracts, Arsenal are perceived as parsimonious by comparison to the rest of the ‘G14’ but have moved to quash that with negotiations ongoing Gael Clichy and Bacary Sagna. Both players thoroughly merit any rewards. Reports suggest that a new deal is being offered to Cesc Fabregas as well although I seem to recall that we have been to this place already this season with false stories about a similar deal.

Unrest is an early theme of the close season which has yet to really get going. Flamini and Hleb featured regularly now Kolo Toure has reportedly become dissatisfied at playing right back, his desire to re-establish himself in the heart of the defence being undermined supposedly by the desire of the manager to give Alex Song some experience.

Arsene was suitably impressed by Song during his half-a-dozen or so games at the tail-end of the season,

I believe he is a remarkable player and I was one of the very, very few who believed in Alexandre Song. You will see in one or two years that he will be a great player for Arsenal. When I put a player somewhere, I know why I do. If I play Song at centre back it is because I believe he will be a great centre back for Arsenal Football Club. In Song’s case, he can play in central midfield. But can he play 60 games there? I am not convinced

To me that is the most interesting observation on Song. Arsene clearly sees his future in defence which is contrary to the form he displayed in the African Cup of Nations where performed well enough in central midfield to be chosen for the team of the tournament. The move backwards is reminiscent of the transition made by Frank McLintock. If he becomes anywhere near as good as the former Arsenal captain, Song will indeed be remembered as an Arsenal Great.

Best of luck to Cardiff this afternoon. Not simply because they are the underdog but more because I am sick of Arsenal being the answer to an unwanted pub quiz question. Will it be ‘R-E-S-P-E-C-T’ or ‘What Becomes Of The Brokenhearted’? Hopefully it will be a damn sight better game than last years.

Finally, thanks for the kind words in yesterday’s comments. It is good to know people enjoy contributing to the blog.

‘til Tomorrow.

Responses

I am a bit disappointed with Arsene Wenger’s remarks regarding Alex Song.
Firstly I do not think he is the tall commanding centre half that we need so badly. Secondly I believe he could be the replacement for Flamini as the defensive midfielder; he always looks good there. Not so energetic, but watch his reading of the game, he makes so many interceptions which is much better than crunchiing tackles
Also right back is no place for Kolo Toure, especially when Sagna is back fit. I still think Kolo is our best central defender, but needs a Vidic sort beside him rather than Gloomy Gallas
Talking of centre half, I still do not understand how Campbell was released from his contract to go abroad and make a new life, ending up at Portsmouth for no fee??
If he had stayed and put in the performances for Arsenal that he has this season for Pompey, then we would have been champions.

Thanks for an early laugh, I love the ‘pick of the pops’ style transfer news! Has Ben Arfa fallen out of the top 5 then? I thought he’d be number 1 for a bit longer!

As for Flamini I wish he would just go away now! He got what he wanted and I’m no longer interested in his reasons why. “Methinks he doth protest too much” - who exactly is he trying to convince?

Kolo needs to get himself some new ‘friends’.

clockendjim,

It’s rare that I read a comment with which I completely agree: insightful!

Clockendjim, players do sometimes get ’stale’ at a club and need a change of scenery to re-motivate them. There was not a lot Arsene could do after Campbell pitched up in Portsmouth after claiming he was going abroad.

Interesting comment about Song, as I didn’t view Wenger’s comments as necessarily precluding another signing at the back. Song was already being re-trained for a role in defence prior to Wenger’s recent comments about needing to strengthen there. I’m not sure that he would have been talking about buying a defender if he already had Song in mind for the role. Song should be a back-up to Gallas or Toure but he needs some more CC or FAC game experience before he would be ready for the Premiership. This could actually be the one time when Arsene goes for an older player as a stop-gap because he has young players like Song and Nordveit who are not that far away from the first team as well as Senderos and Djourou both of whom he has not given up on yet.

Song will make a great defensive midfielder and should be Flamini’s replacement. He is not tall enough to be a centre back. Good money should be spent on the centre back position and goalkeeper.

Seeing as Flamini rates Milan much greater than Arsenal, what makes him think that he is Milan quality when the majority of his time at Arsenal he spent either on the bench or filling in for injured players?

It is true Arsenal responded late to renewing his contract but until that point the only other team that registered an interest was Birmingham which he declined last summer. There was no Milan, Bayern or Barcelona then, it was Birmingham! Because Birmingham reflected the level of his quality.

The story about his Italian heritage is nice but the truth is, its the Euro and not his Italian father that lured him.

What you have to remember is that Wenger sees these players day in day out and has all their physical attributes monitored included pitch coverage and stamina levels. He obviously thinks that Song does not have the engine for a sustained run in midfield, despite the fact that he is capable of playing well there. Personally i think he’s played extemely well at centre back, however he is suffering from the fact that Toure, Gallas and he are all around the 5′11″-6′0″ mark… If only he was 3″ taller all our problems would’ve been solved. You have to wonder against a Drogba type player whether any of them would come our on top. The two slightly taller centre backs we have Djourou and Senderos have the height but not the quality unfortunately.

A Cultured Left Foot is my favourite blog for Arsenal. Great sense of humour, the comments always on spot and all the press news are demystified with your writing. I have recently subscribed to your mailing subscripton, so that I dont miss an article.

As with the players suggested, apart from Thuram, who is a football legend from the past, the others cannot comment on them.

Where we need strengthening, in my opinion, is for a new goalkeeper (great teams have great goalkeepers, and Almunia is not great, Seaman was great, Lehman was great, Van Der Sar is great, Cech is great), and left winger.

Keep up the atricles coming in, we love them

Hey Yogi!

Continued great posts. Thanks!

Why not give us your suggested transfers and ideal team for next season? Who do you think we should buy and where should be play our various multi-position players?

clockendjim

The usual ifs’

Sol really pulled a fast one on Arsene and allowed him to leave for free. However, my personal observation is that Arsene perhaps had in mind the development of Senderos. Senderos had done well in the CL games and was looking up to him to step up to replace Sol.

This decision was good but didn’t work out that way as Senderos is still way away from the first XI and has not really improved. I’m informed of the young Adams breaking into the side at 19, became captain of the side at 21 and eventually retired as a legend. Arguably the greatest centre back England has ever produced.

Gallas was brought in to correct that problem in centre back since Sol left but has also proved to be incapable.

Arsene’s such for a suitable centre back to partner Kolo will continue and I believe next season will be a crucial year to fix that.

If Arsene is able to fix that then we can have confidence preparing for next season. Also it will enable players like Haarvard and big player Kyle Bartley the time and space to develop fully for those positions which I think is being held for the two in 2/3 years time when the two should develop fully.

I’m personally of the view that the current prospect of Senderos and Djourou, the Swiss boys don’t have what it takes to make the CB positions their own in the immediate future.

Great article as usual Yogi. A lot has been made of Song and personally, I feel he has looked fantastic in the middle. I feel that he deserves a starting place and the other to be fought out between Kolo and Gallas. Gallas and Toure are both covering CB’s and don’t complement each other. I have a feeling that Song and Kolo will make an amazing partnership.

Correction

Arsene’s search not ’such’

secret squirrel… its easy to blame flamini for what he did…. i have no doubt that he played the whole season just for the sake of reviving his career…. and took the opportunity tht came his way as a result of tht.

Arsene is going a bit too far in being laconic about how things are….. money is a very important part… u cant fool the players into signing a contract everytime…… hope flamini does well… altho he isnt as great a player as this season potrayed him to be…. it was much down to the team of cesc him and hleb which made them such favorites…..

Common arsene how much do we have to wait for a new face..???? and please dont dissapoint with a dunne!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gunnerforlife:

I’m not blaming him. The point I’m trying to make is that I dont believe that it was Milan’s trophy cabinet or history that lured him. I also don’t believe it was his Italian father Roland that took him back. It was money, pure and simple. I would have done the same except I wouldn’t of made excuses for it.

No question for me that this is the best Arsenal blog around - thanks Yogi! It’s also helped by the *majority* of contributors also posting interesting stuff worth reading! There’s no other blog I read every day, but Goodplaya doesn’t write so often & is always worth a look.

Re Song - there’s a big difference between playing 4-5 games in the ACN and 50 games. Playing CM takes a lot of stamina & I think we have to believe Arsene if he says Song isn’t up to that. Song’ not too short to play centre back but he *does* need someone taller alongside him. That’s the signing I want Arsene to make.

I’m not sure I understand how so many of you conclude Song will mature into defensive midfield role.

He was widely ridiculed for his performances there and as the boss suggested, written off all together as a future Arsenal starter. It was not untill his conversion to centre half in the Carling Cup that his confidence was re-invigorated and he began to shake off, the doubts of the boo-boys. A commanding Centre half is not defined by his physique but by a no nonsense attitude. At times neither Gallas or Kolo attack the first ball, preferring to sweep the knock ons. This cannot simply be put down to a lack of say a couple of inches but more the manner they like to defend.

Whether, Song has that mentality, I am uncertain but games like last year at Ewood Park, he raised the bar, showing an ability to cooly dominate at the back. He looks a centre back to me and not Flamini’s successor. No matter his displays for his country.

Would imagine Wenger is only looking for a defensive midfielder, which there do seem to be a few potential targets on the continent and maybe another winger.

His hint of a premiership based player, more of a general observation and maybe a little red herring for the media as he battles to keep his targets beneath the radar and publicity driven price tags.

I’m wondering why Djourou is not being tried in the DM position since he doesn’t seem to cut it in defence?

Djourou’s actual position is midfield and that is the position he wants to play but Arsene wants to push him to CB but so far hasn’t proved much. With the absence of Flamini, I think Arsene should try Djourou in that position?

It seems his height and experiences at CB coupled with his pace can help him there instead of the CB slot.

What do you think?

You could be right Danny, I have also wondered whether Wenger is looking for someone who is tall, a good header of the ball and mobile enough to protect the defence, to step into Gilberto’s role in the middle. Flamini had his strengths but the fact that he was often found high up the field meant that he offered less protection at the back. Also, if Walcott is to start more often on the right, he needs to do more defensively too. The whole team needs to defend from the front, which is what they did when we had that run to the CL final.

Another good piece, YW.

Good summary about the difference between us & AC.

We should really all switch off, just wait n’ see, but it is so hard.

It surprises me that AW doesn’t see Song as CM. He plays CB as though he wants to be a CM, going forward at every opportunity. When there was quite a debate about him, last preseason, I remember thinking that whatever you thought about his quality you certainly saw a lot of him. He looks like he wants to be involved & has high energy - a natural to replace Flamini’s role. AW has the stats & doubts his stamina for a full time role there.

The same stamina thing may apply to Kolo, too.

It is up to someone to do do what Flamini did, get their chance, take it & become undroppable.

If Song is not going to play there it could come from Gilberto (who looked his old self at the end), Denilson, Djourou, a newcomer (big, strong & quick), or possibly Diaby, who I see more in an attacking role.

I think Djourou could be the surprise package, either as CM or CB. I confess to not having seen him play a full match, since preseason, but it is all there, bar a bit more aggression & determination. It strikes me that he has been content to be an up & coming for a while, he needs to come to preseason to show AW that he has arrived.

Flamini left for tax free money, nuff said!

Arsene should consider investing in two new CBs and move Toure to DM, Gallas to clitchy deputy. The performance we had defensively from the 2 CBs and their reserves have not been up to championship level. Song can alternate with Toure in the DM. I agree he is good in one on one and that suits the DM picture perfectly. He is not strong enough for CB position.

I got to say I’m totally surprised that some people easily forgot how good Toure was at CB before the Gallas era.

I also believe that the problem at the back is a Gallas problem, not a Toure problem. AW can come out and defend him all he wants, but Gallas is old, slow, not good in the air and should not play for Arsenal beyond next year (as a courtesy).

It feels like %75 of the team is being put on the black list or need to be moved somewhere else on the field? If we really want to solve the backline or defensive issues, we need a player who can play well with Toure (Remember Toure - Campbell?) and we have the best two full back in Clichy and Sagna.

Song can cover CB until he is strong physically to play the DM role, which require a lot of running and stamina as Flint put it.

The team needs to be stabilized, not switched around and missed about. The picture will not be clear until we know who the new signings are, but I think the backline and CM duo should be stable and not changed a lot during a season.

G4E,

Glad we all agree that the defence needs fixing and that Captain Gallas is a problem. The only difference is how we fix it.

Toure pre AFC has been good no doubt. But at the AFC and the premiership he has been below par. Do I need to catalogue? For starters he is not tall enough and it showed at the business end of the season, when the crunch games came. He also turns his back at attackers and this caused his country dearly at the AFC. I have not mentioned the poor awareness at the box, causing us penalties. on a score of 10, he is a 6 for that position. Gallas willl be a 5. Compare that to Vidic/Ferdinand who are both 8 or compare to the CBs at Liverpool.

Now Toure was a midfielder before we bought him and his game at CB reflects his natural disposition. He passes well and is not afraid to go foward and score. Now we lost Flamini and possibly Hleb, we have the opportunity to get the
height and pace we want at the back, while letting Toure play the DM role, perhaps sharing it with Song. It still is not a big disruption of the team as you stated but only an improvement. We bring in two players at the back, none at midfield and possibly a striker or playmaker for our sick notes.

Sorry for the long post but hope you feel me now?

Danny has it right with his comments on Song although I believe he could play both DM & CB if required.

Djourou was a disappointment to me last season but only in the fact he got so few games.

I`d rather he wasn`t loaned out & he could have taken over when Kolo went to the ACN.

He has the physical attributes & just needs a harder edge to his game to develop into the player we need at the back. Whether he`ll be given that chance I`m not sure.

We have some excellent CBs at the club but since Sol left we`re lacking a real `defender`. Unfortunately, I don`t see Big Phil as either of the above.

As for Flamini - his article in The Scum is total BS. The way Milan played last season it`ll be longer than two years before they reach another CL Final but money talks.

Finally, this Blog is class - from YW to the vast majority of comments.

Long may it continue.

if Flamini is the biggest loss this summer I feel we will be in excellent shape. In the last 10 years I have seen Petit and Overmars leave (together), I have seen Anelka leave for 26 million, I have seen the seemingly irreplaceable legends Vieria and Henry and Pires and Ljungberg and Bergkamp retire to seemingly greener pastures, and clutch key performers like Lauren or Kanu or Campbell be let go. And I have seen a supposedly irreplaceable left-back cunt on his way to “legend” status get magnificently replaced by a supposedly crocked Frenchman with pace to burn but no experience in the Premiership. What does all this tell me? The last three years have been a fallow period, no doubt. Am I upset by a lack of trophies? Of course. But at least I feel like something bigger is at work, some master plan that will be revealed in the fullness of time. Have faith in Arsene. In the Arsenal feudal system yields, this year’s harvest was promising, and the next few seasons should be deep. I think the players sense this too, and this is reason for our optimism. Next season, regardless of who we buy, should be fun

the problem at the back is leadership. We all know Kolo panics occassionally & which back in the day was balanced by a calm Sol Campbell. That was until Sol’s the West Ham fiasco of course. Gallas despite the injuries did well in his first season and the 1st half of this season. But sadly he fell apart once pressure started to tell. Basically wenger has 2 sign some1 whose leadership qualities r excellent, some1 like Barca’s Puyol, of course he’s out of reach for us despite the recent rumours!
Anyway i live in hope that we get rid of Senderos and Eboue. As for Hleb he can leave for all i care!

howard

its not what djourou thinks of himself..its what arsene thinks of djourou..so i thk he will remain in defence not in midfield..

Flamini

in defence of him he played in odd position and had good attitude when on contract…he took advantage of lack of foresight of club and got himself good deal..what harm in that?

he is far better than cashley..or diarra..or now hleb..or reyes..his case is more like edu ..pires who were not given what they expected at right time..my only complaint why dont we give contract they want and later sell them..we can thus get some transfer fee to replace them..also chances of them sitting on bench only for money seems less..they might take lesser offer to move if not played..

sometimes i feel..arsene is too ethical..he needs to get practical and nasty if necessary

arsenehimself - with the benefit of hindsight, Arsene miscalculated by not extending Flamini’s contract before he stepped up. However, Flamini had done nothing prior to that to indicate that he could make it in midfield so I can see why Arsene didn’t offer him an improved contract before.

The only reason Flamini stayed put was because no one of note was interested in him. Arsene was decent enough to give him the chance to prove himself and earn his place in the team. Fortunately for Flamini, his gamble paid off and he was able to take full advantage of the situation he was in.

He earned himself a place as a regular and integral part of the team and was rewarded with the offer of a much improved contract that more than doubled his weekly salary as well as the chance to carry on playing fantastic football alongside his ‘friends’. If he really wanted to stay as he claimed, that would have been incentive enough. However, whilst claiming he wanted to stay he dragged out the signing of this contract until a better offer came along. He put himself first, which he is entitled to do, so why try to pretend it was any more than that?

I do agree with you that perhaps Arsene appears too trusting of his players at times - how many times did Arsene say that he believed Flamini when he said he wanted to stay? On the other hand, it would be a shame for him to lose the very quality, which also makes him so respected and able to bring out the best in the vast majority of his players.

Is anyone watching the FA finals?

Sol is back to his old self, losing attackers and giving David James heartache. He could be good if he has a run of games but today he is looking too shaky for me.

Good morning folks (at least it is in Houston).

I’m not so sure about Kolo not being a good CB, from what i remember he is the only player that i have seen in the past put Drogba under control. True his form has suffered since the ANC , maybe loss of confidence or being tired, but i remeber Toure being one of the best CB’s in the league and believe he can get back to that level. I agree that Gallas could be the problem there. One thing about Kolo and really Arsenal on a whole that i dont like is the tendency to back off when teams are attacking! leaving and giving room for a player to shoot or pass freely (Anelkas second goal last season comes to mind, the fake babel penalty, the gerrard run = Kuty Goal, i think). We do not disrupt the flow of the ball until we are in the Goalie area - this has to be down to the training though. We are also lax on set peices, not realizing when the ball is in the air it is free for anyone, its like we believe that we have to see it touch the oppositions head b4 we can clear it. We need to attack the ball with the same ferver as the team trying to score. What i am saying is that there really does seem to be a need for Tony Adams as something is fundamentaly wrong with how we defend, WE GIVE TOO MUCH SPACE AND TIME! so maybe it is not so much a need for new players, though someone like Sol would be great!

I dont know but i have a good feeling about song and do believe if he can build his stamina as has been said will be great as a DM.

Where Flamini is concerned, so many people miss the point. No one cares that he left for money, it is how he went about doing it and now all the silly excuses. From what i remember he kept saying that he WANTED to stay. I mean did he even say thanks to supporters b4 leaving or even now? He says it wasnt about money but somehow the whole Arsenal organization got that feeling!? He never got a new contract but was surely given the chance to prove his worth, leading to Milans eyes being on him.

Anyway, cant wait to see us lift multiple titles next year!!

LORD please no more injury problems.

God Bless!!!

arsenal board should come out and say they got it wrong with flamini…wenger said it…wtf was his contract not extended…he was the guy we turned to to play left back against the might european clubs only to be droped in the final…not a regular place?…well if the club sawn no potential after 3 yrs they should have offloaded him but instead they tagged him along because they knew he would fill in the gaps…intead he gave his heart for the club and played the whole season only to make the board in easy…why is it hard to give flamini 70 k / wk but lose and buy a 10 million guy..if this was a one off season for flamini then maybe we could offload him next season and we would get bloody money…al i see is sour grapes from our fans and the board hinding behind this ludicrous money allegations…btw any idiot would leave a place who didnt value them….i thought flamini played a better season than fabregas…both should get rewarded yet only fabregas gets the freakin deal…guess what fellow gunners we messed up and now we are sulking….quit the flamini hate and concentrate on how we need to go about with his absence

sorry i want to reply to yesterdays post !

howard you do know clichy is more black then white! i noticed you ruled out sagna and ade from your possible player of season. pah!! and to slate ade for arrogance!! ha ha he hasnt got a patch of henrys arrogance!!

I am not even going to waste my time on flamini! it seems he is upset that arsene didnt rate him highly enough to offer the money he did to keep previous players!

Yeah this is nothing bad in what arsene wenger does ><< you guy should just keep supporting the team

“he is far better than cashley..or diarra..or now hleb..or reyes..his case is more like edu ..pires ”

Dude u can go as far as edu…. noone comes close to pires…..skill wise flamini wont give a headache to anyone u have mentioned here….. he just runs…wins the ball… plays a simple pass to fabregas… and is occassionall found with his shooting boots on….thts it abt him…. i think he reads a bit too much into himself….. and so did milan… who will find out soon enough tht he commits too many fouls in the italian league…which wouldnt be considered as fouls here in premiership….

No one comes even close to bobby pires… tht guy is a legend…. when asked about if the rumors of him joining spu*s are true… he said it would be weird seeing himself in their shirt after playing for 6 years at arsenal. If fabregas leaves…. I wont count him in the same bracket as pires, henry, viera and ljunberg… those guys would die to win for the club… heart on their sleeves as howard would say….
:D

ok you guys are just bitter about flamini…if we had wonthe epl and gone to the final of the champions leageue which was possible before sagna and flamini got injured you guys would be all praise for flamini…the least any gunner can do is give the bloody guy some freaking credit for his performances….he was one of the few who would cheer the crowd on when the team was down and still give his tackles…then we have dukegoonem saying
” it seems he is upset that arsene didnt rate him highly enough to offer the money he did to keep previous players!”

well its you who seems bitter…who wouldnt be pissed after you have played right back when no one was available …played left back against the best in europe and getting us to the finals and then plays a whole season and no one even gives him cresit with a pay salary raise…who the fuck wouldnt be pissed….

then we have gunner4life saying
“. he just runs…wins the ball… plays a simple pass to fabregas… and is occassionall found with his shooting boots on….thts it abt him…. i think he reads a bit too much into himself….. and so did milan… who will find out soon enough tht he commits too many fouls in the italian league…”

wtf….. do people even know what the job of holding midfield is? gosh …i would seriously rate flamini as a 70 k player….he was more important than adebayor….the freaking backbone of the team…..if the idiots around think this was just one great season for him then we could sell him and make some money….

we gunners have a case of denial that arsene wenger got it wrong and so did our board…atleast wenger came out and said we got it wrong….while the rest of us have a case of sour grapes….we know we have lost an important cog in the team and now try to put the blame and look for reasons to say its flamini’s fault…..

btw how much is it gonna cost us to buy a quality holding midfielder?? dukegunner or gunner4 life please answer….minimum 8 million….plus wages …without knowing he would settle in the team…flamini is a finished product with good understanding with cesc and the rest…you will see next season what a difficult job flamini was doing….financially and for the morale it was a blunder…if we are a freaking “big” club we sure are cheap and foolish….10 k more per week than the actual offer would mean less than 600k per year from the arsenal bank….but now we have to go to the market and by a minimum 8 million guy ….economic brilliance ….so all you guys eat your words and stop acting like 6 yr olds whose lollipop has been taken and are now crying the lollipop wasnt even good….

btw if you guys blame flamini for holding arsenal to ransome…then why increase cesc’s wages from 60 k to 100 k as reported….to keep the likes of barca and madrid from luring him…so now the board and arsene dont trust cesc with his 2014 contract?….surely if he is such a big fan of arsenal he would stay with arsenal and would have no incentive to go back to spain…unfortunately its about money always….and seriously if madrid was gonna give 200k per wk to cesc and we were giving still giving 60 k ….cesc would tell us to kiss his ass…half of the fans are so delusional to believe that they love the club so much…..one more season and ade is gonna be arsene’s back to say he needs a raise…its rare to have the club before self mentality…i respect stevie g for that and maybe some roma players….

if you want to win titles this is the type of shit you have to do…its no big surprise who one the epl and will win the champions league…people who are willing to spend…pesonally cups are not important for me and the only reason i am a gunner is because the football magic produced by the team…so we can cry all day saying flamini left arsenal for money ….i could say arsenal lost flamini for being stingy….either way you guys will see the mess that will come of this…

the invincibles - dude i agree with your assessment of the flamini deal, but i have said so much about in last week.

Why oh why does AW think Song can play center half he is as tall as gallas with a similar leap against a drogba type he WILL struggle…

But heah that is why he is the boss and i am writing on a blog!!! :)

since i am the only mad gunner awake at 1.50 in the nite i would respond in only one way….
u need to have a big heart to be a great great player…. if cesc remains at 100k per week for next 6 years….and provided we win 5 trophies in those 6 years… do you think he would leave even if madrid offer him 180??????

Flamini couldnt be more clear on how the club dint give him a longer contract…… and he took it as a challenge… and not surprisingly he even says the talks with juve/milan had started in december itself…. and i dont doubt his integrity when he says winning something this season would have made it a much more tougher choice to leave… and imho he would have stayed no doubt.

so money isnt everything for players like pires who i will always be the biggest fans of…… henry would be ruing the decision he made to leave a place where he was treated as god…. not tht he isnt a legend already…. but he was ever so close to being immortal…. if he had won his much coveted champs league medal with us.

Yogi keep up the good work i do enjoy your writing…

I believe that our greatest weakness is still found in a low scoring midfield.

They started well but were not consistant in front of goal. Still, they were much improved over the season before last -where they would look to Henry for the end product.

It seems like a long time ago but I seem to remember a midfield of Pires, Edu, Vieira and Freddie scoring bucket loads of goals each season. With Bergie and Henry up front -they were a team of goalscorers.

Would you say the same about our current team?

Not really, and it is here where we need to see further improvements.

I disagree with the view that our squad needs significant additions. I believe that we only really need players to compliment our existing group f players.

Wenger has started something here and you can see that in less than three years Arsenal will be dominating Europe.

I don’t want Eboue, Hleb or the usual suspects to leave. I want them to be part of our squad and watch them develop into the team that I have long expected them to be -worldbeaters.

Let’s not forget the players that will be coming into our squad next season -players who we have missed enormously at the business end of the season -Eduardo, Van Persie, Rossicky, Denilson, Diaby. They will be back.

Then we are going to see the rise of Walcott and the emergence of Fran and Vela. We will see glimpses of their genius next season -I hope.

We were 4 points behind the eventual champions this year -Man Utd did not win the league.

We lost it. That hurts, but makes me think that we will be pusing harder and further next year.

hail Gunnerzzzz
hail AW
hail YW…..
f.u.c.k the useless spuds who are so consistent in building up pre season and “playing it down” during the season..
I said something very heart warming there
:D

g4l u mental… f.uc.k.i.n.g get off this blog for now…

ON Flamini:-

Well, he has gone and he feels a bit bad about it. Let him explain that it was not about money.

Who really cares?

I wish him well but if we can lose Henry and come close to winning the title -I will take my chances on Wenger coming trumps with another player.

As much as I enjoy Hlebs aristery, I don’t mind if he leaves. I would me more upset if Van Persie or Fabregas left.

and i wouldnt be upset if Ian left…. and some MI agent came in his place…. it was some fun Ade hunting.

I didn’t really understand your comment and nor do I want to. :)

do you know something called a c.u.n.t.o.m.e.t.e.r???????????????????

you just scored a 10/10 on it…..
:D

“We were 4 points behind the eventual champions this year -Man Utd did not win the league.

We lost it. That hurts, but makes me think that we will be pushing harder and further next year.”

Good point Ian

theinvincibles - Cesc is worth the money, he has been delivering for several years now. A squad player who steps up for one season when he wants a new and improved contract does not deserve £100,000 p.w.. Flamini was supposedly offered more than double his previous salary, which sounds generous to me for a defensive midfielder. Creative players like Cesc are harder to come by and will be coveted by others. You have to protect your best assets.

Ian’s link took me to arseblog. I dont think you are arseblogger from your tone but still if you are …. helluva gr8 job mate… pleasure having you here.

why have my comments not been cleared from the moderator…gunner4life i have answered you in that …just facts dunno why they didnt get through….get back and read those…

passenal this has been happening consistently…and every year we have oh well we did this year ….oh we came so close…pete czech said it well…10 yrs from now no one is going to remember the 2007-08 arsenal team ….why because they didnt win shit….

passenal we have for the past few season had one bad week late in the year wher we get knocked out of three competions , fa cup, cl, and epl…what does that say…DEPTH OF SQUAD AND EXPERIENCE….i dont buy the bullshit that rosicky was injured and so was vanpersie…we are a “big”club these things shouldnt matter….we should have quality on the reserves and not people like eboue playing rt back???…

as for gunner4life ….i can bet your ass that if you with all the gunner “love” you show were given 200 k vs 60k ….you would be packing your bags too…so stop being self righteous…..btw please read my comment once yogi gets it thru

passenal personally i believe hleb could have done that job …he is a creative midfielder not a winger…diego could easily take cescs place…nasri could do the same…so the cesc is untouchable thing is bull shit….2 yrs from now and he will leave arsenal if we dont win anything in those years…then all you guys would be blaming madrid for tapping him….

if you muppets think it was a one off season then who the heck was playing left back on our way to the finals of the champions league….that too against the best in europe….screw that …and just answer me…who had a better season flamini or cesc?….ever seen cesc play with gilberto and the track backs he has to do….why has cesc scored more goals this season?…because he knew he didnt need to get his ass back because flamini was there….

and i dont buy the one good season argument because you could give him a contract on his demand and “if” he was crap this season then off load him…but to buy a 8-10 million player when it could have been cheaper to make flamini stay ….btw if you think song, gilberto and diaby can play that position like flamini …i dont know what you guys are smokin….arsene doesnt even rate song as a midfielder but a defender …and flamini kept gilberto off the team …so bertie playing that position would mean a backward trend rather than moving forward…..

admit it you guys are just bitter he left and need an excuse to justify it…what better than to blame him for money…

the invincibles: you just cotradicted your own arguement. with this.

“as for gunner4life ….i can bet your ass that if you with all the gunner “love” you show were given 200 k vs 60k ….you would be packing your bags too…so stop being self righteous…..btw please read my comment once yogi gets it thru”
(leaving for the money)

“admit it you guys are just bitter he left and need an excuse to justify it…what better than to blame him for money…”
(not leaving for the money)

steve….

thank you for pointing that out …and letting me clarify….its exactly what im trying to state….

the guy left for more money…that is also what “I” BELIEVE ….even if he denies it it is his right….whatever the cause he is history….move on find a replacement….but then you have fans who come back and say “flamoney” or he left for the money…i am highlighting the FAN MENTALITY rather than fans being right or wrong concerning the allegations….he did his service for a year….he got us as close to the title as possible with this team (we need more EXPERIENCE AND QUALITY RESERVES) ….give him credit for that…the fans are bitter about his loss…cmon which gunner wouldnt want to see flamini back with cesc next season…he was willing to stay for an extra 10k …now that he is gone they need something to take their anger out on…they cannot take it out on the gunner management so fueled by the media they take it out on flamini’s money over club chants….

get it….im not trying to disprove the fact that flamini left for money or not…just the muppets who in every post tend to bring it up….

steve besides i posted before those comments but they havent gone through moderation… if they do read them and get a sense of what i was trying to say…\

Invicibles - why are you so angry dude?

Look, Flamini was given a chance to prove himself and obviously that went well, but u cannot forget that Wenger was the one who told him to stay in the first place! Arsenal tried to reward him for his good services but he chose “greener” pastures. All this is ok but dont say “not winning anything hurt” crap and “u wanted to stay but u were not offered a contract last year” foolishness, just bounce and get on with life. Flamini saying he would have signed last year is quite silly, he would have signed the contract last year because AC Milan was not after him! U GET IT?

As far as all these signings we need and so called “DEPTH OF SQUAD AND EXPERIENCE”, well would Man U have won the league with Rooney and Tevez being out for almost the whole season. this is rediculous, you cannot expect to have your starting strikers injured for the majority of the season and win all these titles. There is no way to have players of that same quality just sitting on the bench, COME ON! Its not that we just had injuries but we had them to our main players. Eduardo was bought to replace “HENRY”, so we end up not having either. Give me Eduardo for the whole season and i say we win the league even without RVP. Your first team players are essential, full stop.

Man, i remeber all the silly talk and lack of faith after loosing Henry, yep! we would most probably not make the TOP 4. Arsenal fans were saying this! I remember reading a lot of negative comments on this blog also. But this team proved the football world wrong and even though we did not win, this team has been a joy to watch. If one year could make such a difference, what do you think is going to happen next year.

Stop all the crying and have a little faith! We all have concerns but some of us have a doomsday mentality that is just depressing!

God Bless!!!

well i just hope eds comes back to full fitness it was a bad injury…..

Seems Samir Nasri is leaving Olympique Marseille. I hope he is one of Wenger’s targets.

Confident G, I totally disagree (Hey, that rhymes) that Toure became a “Lemon” as a CB in half a season. Toure has been playing since 2004, game in and game out with consistency hard to find in any CB. Now all of a sudden we want him to be something else? The new comer to the CB was Gallas, and since then we can’t find the right combination. The backline next season should be Sagna-Toure-?-Clichy and that would be the best backline in the league…just depends on who the ? mark is going to be.

“btw if you guys blame flamini for holding arsenal to ransome…then why increase cesc’s wages from 60 k to 100 k as reported”

**Very simple, because Fabregas went from 4 goals a season to 13 goals a season that’s a 3 fold increase. Add to that his accomplishments from prior seasons, reaching 200 games for Arsenal, being a maestro of midfield from 18 years old playing with huge and great players like PV4, TH14, RP7. it’s not so hard for Arsene and the board to be convinced that Cesc is worth a 100K/week if not more.

Compare the above to Flamini, and you know why he was not offered a contract last year.

We don’t need Nasri. He’s another creative player and we already have a lot of them coming through. He’ll also come at not less than 15.

What we need is a LW who can score goals too, a DM and a CB.

Hatem Ben Arfa is the only player that fits the bill for LW.

*Unusual Event*

Probably for the first time, I feel the same way about Nasri as Howard. I think Ben Arfa is a better choice for us, and it he is of more what we need. He scores more goals, have great control on his left foot, shoots a lot and can also create chances. Most likely he is less expensive than Nasri too.

I would be much happier with Ben Arfa, he looks like an Arsenal type.

There you go Howard, do say I disagree with everything you say :)

do = don’t

The invincibles, you are free to disagree, but the name calling is really not necessary. Unless Flamini is part of your family or a close friend, I cannot understand why you are getting so worked up on his behalf. He’s well able to look out for himself and he won’t be looking back while enjoying himself in Milan.

I agree Paul N - the same people crying over the loss of Flamini are probably the same people who were crying over the departure of Henry. If we could survive the loss of the latter, we can surely cope with the loss of the former.

Sometimes you have to accept there is a larger purpose and that everything happens for a reason. Flamini’s departure creates an opening in the middle for someone else to step up, just as he had the chance to step up due to Gilberto returning late from the Copa America.

Obviously, the fact that Arsene was willing to risk losing him suggests that he believes there are other options available to partner Cesc in the middle. After all, one of the best midfield performances I’ve seen from Arsenal in the last couple of years involved Cesc, Denilson and Diaby in the CC final until Diaby had to come off.

passenal ….point taken ….no name calling ….got overboard….

haha no flamini is not part of my family….

we need stability in the club….flamini and hleb were essential for that….i for one second do not doubt flamini would not stay for the extra cash we could provide…players cannot be changed every year…your theory regarding someone coming in to fill the role like flamini did for bertie with due respect isnt what it seems…flamini was playing for the past three yrs with the team…he knew the style of play and also comfortable with other players…it was easy for him to slot into that role…
so first point that if we buy a news defensive midfielder he will not start performing on day one.

if you suggest playing song at that position, then arsene has already stated that he eyes him as a Ccetral defender rather than CM. If you think denilson will fill the role then I personally thing he is more an attacking midfielder with a few tackles. I doubt he could make cesc feel confident that he doesnt need to help him out. Plus he is injury prone. Diaby I agree with you has the “potential” to fill the role not the bertie way but theveira way.
Unfortunately he hasnot played well with cesc and goes forward too often getting the back 4 exposed too often…

I hope for arsenal sakes that you are right but all the signs are against it. If you mean we can finish in the top 4 with these players then i agree…but i doubt we can win with either one of these three playing that position….

Passenal buddy, can’t you make the connection? It’s obvious who’s back to grace our beloved ACLF :)

If Clichy’s news is true, then this Dommench is just a d*ck head ( Excuse my French). How did he not select Clichy for Euro 2008 is just plain stupid. I hope they get KO of the group stages.

Rather relieved actually but it is a shame for Gail.

How Adidal is ahead of Gail & Evra is quite astonishing.

What kind of a ridiculous story is that about Toure?
“…he is unhappy at Arsenal after being played out of position in the second half of the season.”
Really?! If whatever little fiction writer the Guardian employed to come up up with that one checked his facts I thnk he’d find that Kolo only played the last 4 or 5 matches at right back, and that was simply as cover because Sagna and Hoyte were out. And contrary to general opinion, I think Kolo is quite good at right back and isn’t bothered in the least by playing there. That story is one hundred percent bullshit and the Guardian should know better.

Agree TAFKAEH (please excuse the abbrieviation!) Kolo is the last player to pick to add to the ‘Arsenal in crisis bandwagon’. Kolo loves Arsenal and is grateful for the opportunity he has been given. He respects Wenger and will play wherever necessary to help the team out.

I do hope he gets a good rest over the summer as he was looking a little jaded after playing non-stop for the past few seasons. But he is still a good defender and I don’t agree with those who want to shove him into midfield to accomodate this mythical ‘big, ugly, defender’ everyone is anticipating.

no post today huh….

Anyone who is of the view that we dont need nasri just need to look at this video.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_4chzgPtx9g

What i feel is altho we have cesc as one of the best playmaker…. this guy has more to him than just killer passes… his dribbling is very gud.. better than cesc in fact… and a big plus… he has much better shooting prowess than cesc….. we need all the best talent we can get… if he wants to come to us…. we cant afford not to get him and join some spu*s like modric.

Benarfa, nasri, richards, any decent CDM
done

it looks like the flamster will playing in the uefa cup rather than the cl.never leave the arsenal.

If I were to add another rumor here…
Both Nasri and Ben Arfa are coming this week to London for medicals.

nasri could go to lyon and benarfa to marseille according to l`equipe,but they did say that arsenal are after nasri who played his last game for l`om last night.letts wait and see.up the arsenal

forza fiorentina, enjoy the UEFA cup Flamini!

Well said! Matty enjoy the money youm chump!
also congratulations to Real Zaragoza on their relegation!

gunner4life, why does it have to be either/or? If Nasri came it doesn’t mean he would replace Cesc. They play in different positions, Cesc’s game is about passing not running with the ball and there is room for both in the team.

Nasri is coming for sure. Reliable sources in France ( some friends in France who informed me of Sagna deal has confirmed to me about this one too).

If it’s true then it seems Hleb might be on his way as they’re similar but Nasri more productive. Arsene may have just decided to allow the Belarus guy leave for a fee to avoid unsettling the team this summer.

Is Ben Arfa coming too? My souces are not certain of the Arfa deal but its possible that the two may be coming. Lyon is very difficult to deal with in player tansfers; they always sell to the highest bidder and might be playing a waiting game to get a higher fee as much as possible. Its like Arsene wants to deal with the LW problem and at the same time resolve the Hleb’s imminent departure issue.

If we get the two, then I foresee Arsene digging in for either Diaby, Eboue (rumoured), Denilson and Song to fill the Flamini slot.

In tat case, we will just be left with te CB position to fill.

There is no way Eboue will be replacing Flamini. He is a right back or wide midfield player, not a central player.

Nasri, Ben Arfa, Vela …would all be sweeeeeet!
But tall aerial savvy defender needed most though

Passenal…. not either or….

Just to say tht nasri can make plays like cesc with more than just an inclination to shoot…. so all those games where cesc deserved a rest we can rest him now without letting our creative play suffer. I am very very excited about this signing. Wenger said ..”the fans must be assured of what they see..” yes damn I am.

BenArfa is coming for sure too like undying said….. that leaves just the CB position as the only position to be filled in….altho i wouldnt mind someone like veloso too since we would be getting at least 10 million pounds from hleb’s transfer.

Its looking better for next season….. Hope our strikers are upto it in converting the chances till at least dudu returns… coz if they do…. i think dudu’s talent in the box would be sufficient to give the final push we couldnt get this time around.

mannnnn so long before the games start!!!!!!!!

I have to admit, after viewing some of Nasri’s clip and I will be watching a game for Marseille soon. Either or both him and Ben Arfa would be great additions, but can we really land and pay for both? And if we can, will there be enough money for either a DM or a CB?

Remains to be seen, and I doubt we will get both. I wish but I doubt it.

well g4e i think we will have enf to spare for a CDM and a CB if we sell hleb….
young guns reported today nasri will come to us for as less as 12million pounds (where the f*** is the pound sign on the keyboard???)
arfa would come around the same…. add 10 million from hleb’s and we can add some more frm our ow pockets to find 2 more additions…

but my hunch is tht wenger will only go for a CB and make a CDM out of someone we already have.

Way to go Arsene!!!!!!!!!

All sounds great G4L, I just will believe it when thay are wearing th red & white :)

I wouldn’t get so excited since there has been no official announcement yet. You’ll only be massively dissapointed if it turns out to be some unknown player Wenger plucks from obscurity.

Agreed Passenal, the only difference with me is that I’m %99 of the time find myself satisfied with Wenger’s signing, known or uknown players. He is hardly wrong any way, even what some consider to be half assed signings are still good players.

Flamster should be ashamed of himself …I am just too happy for him becos he is going to enjoy a uefa cup first round knockout which is very good ..I see Arsenal going a step further to atleast reach the semi finals of the champion league if not win the cup

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I think we can safely trust Arsene Wenger’s judgement. His only mistake was to not have enough players in his squad. Something which is sure to be rectified over the summer.

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