Posted by: Yogi's Warrior | May 12, 2008

Ray Of Light - Sunderland Report

Sunderland 0 - 1 Arsenal

0 - 1 Walcott (23)

The season signs off on a winning note with Theo Walcott’s excellent finish midway through the first half being the difference between the two sides that the history books will note. In reality, the margin was wider for despite fielding a side that would not have looked out of place in the Carling Cup.

The hosts started brightly with Fabianski scrambling away Carlos Edward’s long-range effort inside the opening twenty seconds. For all of their possession, Sunderland were largely restricted to efforts from outside of the area all afternoon. Indeed, it was injury-time as the match drew toward its conclusion that the young Pole was required to make another meaningful save, stopping O’Donovan’s effort on the line.

Arsenal’s winner came from the two extremes of the club on show. In youthful surroundings, Gilberto Silva rolled back the years with an inch-perfect pass for Walcott to race onto and bury in a clinical fashion that he shows regularly at the junior international level. The Brazilian was a quietly dominant force in the midfield throughout the afternoon, going about his work in a quartet that provided decent protection to the Arsenal penalty area.

With Kolo Toure succumbing to a hamstring injury - Arsene should look at this for there must be some sort of record held by Arsenal this season for the cumulative total of this type of strain or tear - Johan Djourou slotted into the right back slot, Alex Song being partnered by Philippe Senderos in the centre in the absence of William Gallas. All of them were reasonably comfortable in the carrying out their duties although Arsene needs to look at the right side of the defence for fitting square pegs into round holes over a sustained timescale does not work. Sagna and Hoyte picking up knocks and missing long spells is a somewhat unusual situation to be in so should not be treated as the norm and a reason to claim that more strengthening is needed specifically there. If Hoyte were to leave then that would need addressing.

Post match, Arsene was upbeat,

I don’t think we have failed. When you get eighty-three points, you have the opposite feeling. I have won the championship with less. We have been remarkable; I have never had a team which consistently produced quality like this one. But we lost the one hundred metres by a fraction of a second and someone stuck their chest out in front of us at the last. That doesn’t mean we have not run a great race

It is a matter of opinion whether this season has been a failure. In brutal terms, no trophies is not successful. However, that the team for so long led the way in the Premier League race is a cause for optimism. Reducing the deficit to the Champions to four points is a significant achievement. Ordinarily, the title is won by how you perform against teams lower down the division; this time it has been the matches between the top four that have provided the difference. Of their six games, United won four and drew two. Arsenal conversely won one and drew three, losing the others.

The landscape of English football has changed. No longer is the title race between two teams, three are there and this makes it more difficult to win. The wait for one rival to slip is often not long but for two to make mistakes takes more time. Arsenal found this season that the longer the season goes, the more costly the slip.

Prior to the match, Arsene indicated that he was hopeful his summer business would be completed before the end of the month, toying with journalists that he was going to Euro2008 as a ‘football fan’. If that is correct, people will be happier with the summer months although for some, no matter how many players Arsene signs, they will not be enough or sufficiently high in stature.

More immediately, his attentions will be turned to Alexander Hleb’s future. In this morning’s Times, Martin Samuel feeds the ‘Prophets of Doom’, arguing that Wenger’s modus operandi is nearing its end in the same way that led to Wimbledon’s demise. Using Flamini and Hleb as examples, his argument suggests that players such as Adebayor and Fabregas will follow suit unless Arsene breaks the clubs wage structure.

Samuel would have received his answer had he read the papers over the weekend. The basic salaries may be lower but the bonus and incentive system operated by the club compensates for that. In winning seasons, it is higher yet they will be amply rewarded this time around. Mathieu Flamini used a smokescreen on Saturday to claim he would have stayed had the club won the title or Champions League. It is disingenuous to say the least. He is joining a club facing the very real prospect of UEFA Cup football next season, one that is so far behind their local rivals that winning the title in the next two seasons is not a realistic prospect. To claim anything that represents moving as footballing reasons does not stack up with the evidence in front of him.

As for Hleb, Samuel hits the nail squarely on the head. Without doubt, his head has been turned by the mind-boggling sums on offer elsewhere. However, considering the hard facts of his contribution to the Arsenal team (a total of goals in the Premier League that has yet to hit double figures; a shots on target tally that does not reach double figures in a season in the same competition), this observation ought to be considered very closely,

Hleb may be making a huge mistake and his uniquely ambitious style of play may never be indulged so lovingly by a manager again

Frequently, the Byelorussian is the pass before the ubiquitous ‘assist’ stat and that masks his contribution to the side. However, he needs to remember who has nurtured him through this period. You can guarantee that no other top four manager would have continued to play him with a paucity of end results. That said, I do not think he will give it a second thought. Money talks and it will be no surprise to see Alex walk.

’til Tomorrow.

Responses

Theo took is goal very well.

It will be interesting to see if he starts on the right next season when everyone else is fit i.e Rosicky, Hleb (probably his replacement) , Vela, Eboue (Although most of them are left sided players)

He could continue to grow and become and very potent weapon for us on the right scoring 15 goals.

Exciting stuff

The season has to be viewed upon as being successful.

we were 20+ points behind last season, and out of the title race by Xmas, so it would of been a massibe achievement to have turned around that points difference to of won the league.

We have made huge progress, and as long as that continues, we will be there or there abouts next season…

And a bit of luck wouldnt go amiss as well!

Ben Arfa has been questioned about a possible summer move.

“That is true that we have spoken about Arsenal, but we will see how it is going to happen.

“If I stay at Lyon, it is to play. Wherever I go, it will be to play.

“The season is not over yet, two games are remaining (one in Ligue 1 and the Coupe de France final).

“Today I am at Lyon. We will see what tomorrow is made of.”

I need to tell Arsene that I approve of this signing!

He sounds like a little Diarra like though

“If I stay at Lyon, it is to play. Wherever I go, it will be to play.”

I cannot imagine Arsene will want to throw him straight into Premier Legaue football. He would have to bide his time like Pires, Henry, Reyes did before him

I think the most offensive part of that Samuel article, wasn’t the conjecture and misinformation, it was the comparison of Arsenal (even obliquely) to the Crazy Gang!

Let’s hope for 3 decent signings before the Euros. I want to be able to read the back pages and not be confronted with boring comment-pieces like Martin Samuel’s (Not that I’d ever read a Murdoch paper). However, they’ll surely disappear if we strengthen the squad as much as I believe Wenger plans to.

I don’t believe a word of this stuff, it just gets tedious year on year.

Morning, Yogi

Don’t know about anyone else but I can’t bear to look at a newspaper this morning.

Another positive: we defended a 1-0 lead, quite comfortably!

G10 - sounds as if there might be something in the Ben Arfa rumour, then. However I am worried that everyone is getting so excited, because if he doesn’t end up at the Emirates, everyone will be horribly disappointed. Arsene did say “huge players not huge names”, so…
I’m dying to know who he’s after. I love the way he whips out the surprise packages when you least expect it.

The Press and Arsenal….it’s such a strange relationship. The praise, when it comes is always overdone, and the criticism always wide off the mark. It boils down to Arsene and the club website. He should stop being so forthcoming with them in press conferences, and should at the same time be wiser about using the club website to disseminate information.

I still feel we were the best team this year. I really do. Think about it. We had that horrible 5 week period in which nothing went right for us, yet we finish the season within 4 points of United. Imagine it had gone differently that day in Birmingham. I HAVE NO DOUBT WE’D HAVE WON THE LEAGUE WITH LIKE 6,7 POINTS AHEAD.

Unfortunately it didn’t happen that way, and the morons keep insisting we should throw away the team, and Arsenal is collapsing.

I can’t believe how many articles about “Arsene needs to spend big to compete with United and Chelsea”. Such nonsense. To say that 4 points is a big gulf between these 3 sides is the height of stupidity. I am convinced that the sporting press are the most stupid group of people in the world.

And that’s also counting the gossip columns.

Progress has been made this season but so have many mistakes that really cost us. I don’t agree that 3rd is “not failure”. This season was a missed opportunity as with a couple more quality players we could have won the Prem or CL. Ferguscum refuses to accept losing no matter how many trophies he wins wheras at Arsenal its seems acceptable to be galliant, stylish losers.

In my 35 years of watching Arsenal I am struggling to think of a player with greater dribbling skills than Hleb. When he’s on his game I am reminded of the famous comment someone made of Georgie Best that he ‘twists defenders blood’.

Yogi, I think you make an excellent point about his contribution being often, just before the final ‘assist’. At times, he has been frustrating but overall I would be sad to see him go.

BUT, if we bring someone in who is quick, direct, and goes down the wing and scores goals, then we will be an improved side.

Vela, looks from the couple of games I’ve seen of him, to be a possibility to fill that role but I can’t help but feel that we need one other attacking wide man. Rosicky who is just about my favourite player at Arsenal (behind Clichy and Fabregas) can’t be depended on to play enough games.

Then all we’ll need is a CB - any ideas?

watching steve at espnstar say his “stuff” is the worst thing to happen. he plays along with his telestrator and even if its an arsenal vs united game still speaks about liverpool.

The thing is Wenger doesnt want anything of sort of leeds to happen to arsenal and rightly so.

Manu…. i wish we had won this time… they would have rocked back with their overwhelming debts….

The fact tht wenger is prioritising the future of the club instead of his own managerial records just shows he is more committed to the club than the flaminis and coles.
Seriously, I just hope we f.u.c.k.i.n.g rip apart both inter and milan in the next UCL….

One very good thing Arsene points out is that United have won 16 of their 19 games at OT and thts a lot…they know they have got an advantage at OT with the fans and the refs… they take full use of it.

I am still skeptical about Walcott…. mayb thts because he hasnt played for longer periods…. and btw in whichever matches he has started… he has had significantly less impact than when he comes out off the bench.

So boring its gonna be wo all the football.

Agree with Kos. Don’t know how much we need to spend, but we don’t want to be galliant losers every years. We need great players that can challenge ManU and Chelsea and bring trophies to The Emirates, it is as simple as that. Hope there will be no more 0-4, 1-5, 2-4 !

OleGunner -

“The Press and Arsenal….it’s such a strange relationship. The praise, when it comes is always overdone, and the criticism always wide off the mark.”

This is spot on. One week Arsene’s Golden Generation are going to eclipse all before them and the next week we need to go out and spend at least £150m otherwise we’ll be left behind my Spurs and Liverpool.

It’s tedious.

However -

“It boils down to Arsene and the club website. He should stop being so forthcoming with them in press conferences, and should at the same time be wiser about using the club website to disseminate information.”

Wenger has, by and large, an excellent relationship with the press. Hence why there is relatively limited criticism of him. Remember the way the press practically hounded Ferguson with retirement questions from 2004 - 2006? This ‘barren period’ saw Man Utd win the FA and League Cup whereas we’ve gone 3 seasons without a trophy.

Wenger uses the club website wisely. We only respond the most scurrilous media gossip - see the Adebayor ‘it’s rubbish I want out’ article. At the same time, Arsene’s charmed the mainstream press for 12 years and there’s no reason why that should change.

I will be first to disagree with the tone of your blog albeit well written.

I can not imagine that as a fan we should be happy not to have won anything.

If AW is truly restricted by not having enough money the I as a 38 year old fan would have to suck it up and say that he has done a magnificient job punching way above our weight for the last 3 years with the stadium sucking up all the monies for long term glory for now. His strategy of buying young and cheap while keeping us within the top 4 in the EPL and given our competitions much greater financial power we are doing an excellent job just keeping up with the Jones so to speak.
But the board had kept insisting that the monies are there and AW is the one not wanting and willing to spend to take us a bit higher then something is wrong.
Yes we have improved , yes we have got many more points than last year, yes it was without TH 14 and DB 10 and Pires etc.
But we could have won it had we have a bigger and more balance squad. I for one am not advocating a 30 million splash on some one like Ballack or Schevchenko. But a 23 mio splash on a Torres or a 15 mio splash on Rio Ferdinand or Vidic type would have made all difference in the world. We can not expect many Sagnas and Eduardos out there for easy pickings. We have a scouting net work so has the Chel$Ki and the Manures. We do not operate in a vaccumn ,we need to compete in the tarnsfer market just like the next guy. Sometimes when you need to over pay for a player just to find the fit and the skill, you have to pay accordingly. Not every signings or even a majority of the signings can be an Anelka or TH 14 or Viera. Although AW has been net excellent as for every Reyes we have two Viera/TH 14/Pettit.
We just need that little bit to take us from also rans to winners.
As I have suggested during the Jan window that the EPL is within our grasp and had we bolster the left wing and the CB by some experience players that AW can trust we would still be relishing the prospect of a Moscow CL final with the Manures maybe after wrapping up the EPL by now.
It would be in the longer term worth the 20 to 30 mio spent and maybe the Hlebs and Flamini’s of this world may just say it was an honour to play for a wining team and stay. They would not be so flippant and leave so easily.
I for one will stick with the Arsenal thick and thin whether they win or lose or are in the conference league but in this season AW need to look back at this season and wonder what might have been. While Arsene knows he is not infallible.

Up The Arse!!! Up The Arse!!! Up The Arse!!!

I am not convinced that buying in January would have made the difference. Just simply not convinced. Our season effectively ended at Wigan- the culmination of 3 draws. Games we could have won with the team we had. Yesterday we dropped 9 players and beat Sunderland away-could even have won 2,3 nil. We could have beaten Birmingham and Wigan.

It was just a horrible run of results. And I don’t think that run was inevitable. It wasn’t. It was injuries that ultimately did us in.

To say it all boils down to not buying in January is complete nonsense. Utter nonsense. Arsene could have bought 2 players in January only to get crocked in February….and then what?

And to all the Ade-bashers. He finished the season with as many goals as THE GREAT AWESOME TEAM CHANGING INIMITABLE WONDERFUL FERNANDO TORRES. Suck on that.

Ole

While they could get crocked the probability would be against it. We knew then that Toure/Song and Eboue would come back at least fatigue if nothing else and we have only Gallas as a truly experience CB. Sendy is proven to be not up to it when playing against strong, tall, fast and physical strikers. One more experience CB and a good LW would have made all the difference. Frankly to frame the argument in context, we needed the LW and CB even before the Jan window as the ANC was a well know fact even then. Trusting Sendy cost us the CL and if we had a more experience CB then when Willy imploded at the Birmingham game we could have use him for the rest of the games and allow Willy to get his head back in order.
All the above is conjecture obviously but we can argue that a difference of 4 to 6 points is a high probability.

Up The Arse!!! Up The Arse!!! Up The Arse!!!

Ole… while i believe torres has got the attributes t consistently do tht… dont think many of us would say the same abt ade

Malasiangunner - I agree. Sometime a big signing does make all the difference. I also agree that spending silly money is not the answer but sometimes you have to spend to get the player you want. We did not compete for any of them but it is indisputable that Carvalho, Essien or Torres would have improved our team. Not only are we not competing for the top players but we are losing players like Hleb and Flamini who were both first choice starters last year. Losing Flamini was a disaster. He was awesome last year and was a big reason for the improvement of the team. Players stay for success, money or both and many more seasons with no silverware and there will be more cases of players wanting to leave.

I do not understand how fans can be happy when our once great team which had world-class players and challenged most years has been replaced by a promising team with talented youngsters who have yet to win anything. I have faith in our great manager but we need more of a squad to compete. A lack of quality throughout the squad cost us more than anything else. Arsene needs to spend and if he won’t or the money is not there we will struggle to keep up with Manu and Chelsea.

We missed our chances to win the title by drawing twice against Birmingham, simple as that. If we had the additional 4 points, we would have held our own in the matches against MU or Chelsea and won the title.

No doubt AW tries to soothe the pain by claiming that we were not expected to do so well post-TH14 etc etc, but the truth remains we had the element of surprise on MU and Chelsea, but we did not capitalise on it. I grief for this lost chance, and I hope the Arsenal players feel the same. Somehow I got the feeling that they may not, because as professionals, the players treat it as a day job, that no matter what, they still get paid handsomely. That would sadden me heaps.

As fans, we live Arsenal. We don’t get paid handsomely for following Arsenal, but we FEEL Arsenal in our system. That’s why we don’t change clubs at the drop of the hat (or penny). That’s why I sincerely hope the Arsenal players also feel grief for this lost chance. It is the only way they will be mentally focused to win next season. Of course, new signings will help, and for that I leave it to the skills of AW who I hope this time will not shrink when the bidding hots up.

Back when Eduardo was injured, I was hoping the season would turn out like in 2002 when Pires got his cruciate damaged. We won it for Pires, but this time around, we could not win it for Eduardo. The reason for this is pure and simple - we had Bergkamp, Vieira, Henry, Campbell, Ljungberg all performing after Pires was out. This time, we had none, actually, sorry, we had youth but not experience.

So bottom line is we need a bigger squad, with current youth and new experienced players. We need that mixture. We cannot rely on youth all the time, cos by the time they get the experience, they get lured away, and the rebuilding cycle never ends.

Why has Flamini got off so lightly? Everywhere I’m reading guff like ‘good luck to him, anyone would do the same….etc’. Compare that to the reaction Cashley Cole got when he left. I ask; What is the difference?

The difference is that Cole joined a club with realistic chances of silverware, while Flamini has joined a club likely to be in the Uefa cup. He also has no guarantee of first team football with so many world class midfielders.

They were both offered £55k a week but left to earn more. While selling Cole was good business, losing Flamini is a disaster for the club and must have serious repercussions for the rest of the squad (and their agents).

And he leaves without so much as a ‘thank you’ to the club and the fans. This is a club who turned him from a utility player to a world class defensive midfielder. Where is the gratitude?

Plus he comes out with this crap about wanting to sign a contract last summer. What a load of rubbish!

So why the double standards? Cole and Flamini both betrayed this club because of greed.

Malaysia Gunner- What do you mean the probability of losing players is low? Of course it was also improbable that we’d lose our best offensive players for so long. What was the probability of Eduardo getting his leg chopped off after 6 months in England. We only bought him in August, right? And what about Sagna who missed crucial games at crunch time.

If you think injuries are improbable then you’d also realise why Arsene could not have planned on the improbability of losing so many players.

Torres is class. I don’t doubt it. But this is also his first free-scoring season. In Spain he averaged 15, 16 goals a season. All I am saying is not that Adebayor is better or even as good, but that the gulf in class is not as big as made out.

I find a lot of Arsenal fans lack perspective.

Someone wrote about us having a team of promising players. BOLLOCKS. We had 4 players in the team of the year. More than United. Surely we do have a team of top class performers already.

I’ll never agree with this needing a bigger squad thing as well. We had a big enough squad to win the league. Certainly as big as United had. As big as Inter, Real Madrid, PSV, Porto, Bayern Munich, Lyon, the winners across Europe.

Ole

I will argue that if we could have so many players injured all the more reason to have a bigger squad. No? And I will argue that with only one experience CB during the ANC , all the more reason to buy an experience substitute instead of Sendy.
Ade and Torres can not be compared as Torres achieve in one season what Ade took 3 seasons to do plus less playing time in one season. But that is not to say I devalue Ade’s performance and he gives us more than just goals as I have often stated that he leads the line single handedly competently. The only Arsenal player able to do so today.

I have never said we do not have a good team but we need a bigger team as our first eleven when fully fit is more than a match for most. Sagna, Cesc , and Clichy is amongst the best so our third position is no fluke. But alas we needed 5 points more….

Up The Arse!!!

Ole

Playing Flamini, Ade, Clichy, Cesc, Sagna and Toure sometimes to the point of exhaustion and whether in form or out of form during the last 10 games cost us the title and the CL.

We needed a bigger EXPERIENCE squad. We have the same numbers as the next guy just not the experience.

Up The Arse!!!

MG,

If you want to make counterfactuals let’s make it the other way as well. If Sagna had been available and not injured Senderos wouldn’t have played the CL 1/4 finals against ‘pool.

I am not against a bigger squad, I am saying that’s not why we failed this season. And I am saying that United had a similar squad size as us, and still won the league.

The squad in the unbeaten season was much smaller than the current squad.

I agree that Torres is a better player. All I am saying is that those who say Adebayor is crap and Torres is God simply have no leg to stand on if Adebayor did as well as Torres in this season. By the way, this is Ade’s first full season as a main striker so it can be compared to Torres’ first season.

Yeah we can do everything… but if u were given a choice between torres and ade who would u chose.. and before comparing no. of goals u have to consider the delivery that torres gets at liverpool and what he mite get while at arsenal.
Ther lies the difference.

Ole,

Its not the first time we have disagreed, but to say that we had a strong enough squad is simply not backed up by what happened. As noted above by Malasiangunner, we had so many injuries as we were not able to replace first teamers with back-ups of the required quality which forced Wenger to play the same team every game. This made it more likely that we would get tired and pick up injuries which is what happened. Players like Sagna, Cesc, Clichy, Toure, Ade simply played too many games. Others like Diaby, RVP and Rosicky are massively injury-prone which further reduces our options.

I think that you are the one lacking perspective. You are denying the reality that a lack of quality alternatives pushed us past breaking point. Ade carried the goalscoring burden almost on his own, Clichy and Sagna played every game virtually and Cesc has periods of looking utterly exhausted yet you refuse to see this. If we has a better back up to Sagna than Kolo (who is not a RB) and someone better than Senderos as back-up we may well have beaten Liverpool. If we had another goalscorer also we would have achieved more.

Morning gents/ladies,

Great blog again Yogi, and thoughtful comments by many of the usual suspects :)

To Bob N7, the CB I want to see at Arsenal is Zapata (Udinese). I have mentioned this before, I shall again and he coveted by many sides in Italy so we would need to be fast, but the lad is big and strong and young at 23… I would say to any of you check him out and judge for yourself. I would love to be an Arsenal scout so that I could call Arsene and say “mate, this lad is a diamond”.

I agree with Yogi’s comments on Flamini The lad was wrong to suggest that he ‘may’ have stayed if we had won. I guess that I am in the department of those that think it is better he go to climes best suited to himself if he didn’t want to stay, that said his contributions well be missed. I now wish he had the good grace just to say the truth… “I left Arsenal because Milan offered silly money, I have my future to think about because football is a short part of your life. I have maybe 12-15 years to make all the millions I can to buy the 4 houses I want and the boat in Monaco.” Okay, I admit that is probably a bit harsh but still has an element of truth. The problem with footballers now is that they are treated like they are something very special, in some cases seemingly above the rules of common men.

If we were to have started the season over and offered a 3rd place finish 4 points behind the leaders, we probably would have taken it. The season can only be viewed as a disappointment because the team played so well for so long and the expectations were increased, thus the collapse drained us all. I still believe that there are many positives to take out of the season, though more than anything else for next I would to see fewer players in the medical room. The last 2 seasons have been hell with injuries, and given that the squad is thinner than most the impact is pretty severe.

I want to touch on one final thing this morning… what is up with Spurs? I was disappointed to see them sign Modric, but where is all this money they seemingly have to spend coming from? I noted also that Chelsea have splashed another £16 million + on a right back and there are suggestions that they well top their previous spending before the start of the next season. Money does not grow on trees, though perhaps in Chelsea’s case that is not true. I would love to Arsenal buy in 3 new players, all probable 1st team regulars. I sincerely believe that the contributions of these new players (although still unnamed) and the likes of Merida and Vela, Randall and Walcott well add to the push for next year.

Toronto

Well this morning we have been linked with Toure’syounger brother again that would be a good signing so long as he doesn’t have massive wage demands.

I hope the stories about Man U trying to sign Micah Richards are false.

I think there were 3 main reasons we lost the league:
1) weak links in the team in the important part of the season, here I am talking about Eboue and Senderos mainly. But also things like using diaby left wing. Injuries left wenger with few options in some games though I dont feel we needed to use eboue on the wing in nearly as many games as he was.

2)The 3 draws following Birmingham where the team looked shorn of confidence and energy. we did not deserve to win those very winnable fixtures. I dont know why. Was it Gallas’ fault or was it purely that the players were knackered from a lot of games in a row? It may have been a combination of mental and physical things but its hard to nail this down. Its been said that Man u and chelsea both win games when they cannot get out of second gear. its clear that we cannot.

3) our inability to defend a lead. I agree with wenger that simple long balls down the middle were a problem for us and I also never feel comfortable defending set pieces when the other team have a couple of big men up there. This needs sorting out.

I dont beleive buying a player in Jan would have made much/any differerence. Settling in time would be 6 months, they may have got injured too, plus the problems in March were down to the whole team underperforming - one new player would not have made enough impact.

There was also a huge degree of bad luck and poor refereeing but I dont think its worth us discussing those as there is not a lot we can do about that.

MG,

“Playing Flamini, Ade, Clichy, Cesc, Sagna and Toure sometimes to the point of exhaustion and whether in form or out of form during the last 10 games cost us the title and the CL.”

Even if that were the case, it was due to injuries. And you just simply couldn’t discount that fact.

And I don’t agree that our players played too many games

It’s easy to say we need this we need that. For me we could have won the league this year. We had the squad to do it, but injuries and other factors prevented it. If Arsene had bought 4 players more, people will still say we needed more. But we could have won it. That 5 weeks of hell was not inevitable. It could very easily have gone differently. One win in just one of those draws would have changed our season. And we could have done it.

Yes I think if Torres played for Arsenal he’d start ahead of Ade. But it doesn’t make Ade a bad player.

Kos,

It’s easy. Here’s how I see it. That 5 week period of disaster was not inevitable. One win out of those would have changed the season. We had the squad to win one of those games. So we could have won the league.

We had injuries the whole season. It is easy to talk about a lack of quality alternatives but as I remember it, of our whole squad, each player missed at least 2 games to injury this season, and we finished 4 points off the pace.

If United had had injuries to Ronaldo, Rooney and say Tevez at the same time (we were missing Eduardo, RVP and Rosicky) I doubt they’d have won the league too.

It’s stupid to expect your second string to be as good as your first string. Their role is to be able to fill in for short spells. And they did that well. But we had long term injuries to key players at crucial times in the season.

Gazzap I agree with your views on Eboue he needed to be benched to shake some sence into him bause for all his supposed defensive capabilities has tendencies to laspe in concentration and is often unaware or simply ignore players in good positions.

Theo on the other hand has been good with both the points, his awareness has always been there and his previous failing (being lightweight seems to have been addressed)

I can see him being 1st choice next season as a winger although i am sure he wants to play upfront.

I also agree with Toronto about Zapata quick and powerfull but Udinese will not want their Columbian go without a fight.

gazzap,

I agree our inability to defend a lead was a serious problem. That was a real weakness. Also our conceding stupid goals. What was most worrying was that it started at that very crucial period in which had we held on to leads against Chelsea, Liverpool, Liverpool and United we might well have won something this season.

No veteran playing in the epl gets more disrespect than those at Arsenal.
I dont think wenger is to blame alone. But you got to keep ur statesmen for the transition to be successfull. Just tell me if Viera had stayed… hadnt we won those close games…yes we would have….

Man U second string beat our second string 4-0 in the FA cup. For me that showed the difference in depth.

N19,

Man U second string got whooped in the first round of the Carling Cup, ours got to the semis. Did that show the gulf in class?

Don’t forget that Man U had a full squad to choose from while we had 14 players fit for the game.

I agree that the second string won’t be as good as the first but the gap between them is too great. It is also too simplistic to say that had we won 1 more game it would all have been different. We could have the won that extra game and then gone on to lose more games than we actually did.

Injuries hurt us badly but the point of having more of a squad is to insure against injury. We were a bit light 2-3 players and got found out. I do not believe that its all negative and that we need extenive surgery just a 2-3 quality players that would have made the difference, especially with all the sick-notes we have at the club. I agree that buying in Jan is difficult but selling Diarra was sheer madness!

Playing the hapless Eboue as first choice for the whole season highlights our paucity of options. Real lack of alternatives meant that players got overplayed or had no real competition for their place. Hleb for example had a really bad patch but played every game due to a lack of alternatives. At other times we had to play players out of position due to a lack of alternatives - Diaby left-wing, Eboue, right-wing, Kolo right-back, Cesc right-wing. With Diarra gone it was back to the lumbering Gilberto when Flamini got injured which was costly especially at Anfield in the CL. Others like Denilson, Djourou, Hoyte barely made any impact. The back up was just not good enough and this really cost us.

Wenger
“It would be better to buy someone who has played in England because they are less risky,” said the manager. “But it costs more money if they are from the Premier League, so maybe I will try to do both.”

Does it mean he is looking at a player who has played in epl but nt playing in england as of now??

Any guesses arses??

Good analysis, gazzap.

Kos said:
“it is indisputable that Carvalho, Essien or Torres would have improved our team.”
Yes, they would - but in the long run, not for this season. Has Anelka made a huge splash at Chelsea? Not yet. He will next season, but it’s too late for this season. I agree with gazzap about the settling-in period when you buy in January. SAF doesn’t favour buying in January, either. Most managers don’t buy then unless they have to, because they won’t, in all likelihood, see the benefit in time. In SAF’s words: “You can’t do much with them.”

And I have to defend Philippe Senderos - his stint at CB was excellent, and our backline got worse after he was dropped for the returning KT.

I understand what people are trying to say about our “thin squad” (in terms of experience/quality, not numerically) but injuries made it look thinner than it was. We couldn’t rest Cesc if Denilson and Rosicky were both injured at the same time. It was the timing, as much as the severity and number of injuries, that did for us.
Sorry to repeat what gazzap and Ole Gunner have said, but we could and should have defeated Birmingham, Wigan and Middlesbrough - and Liverpool - even with the tired and depleted squad we had. Up till the Birmingham game the team (in league matches) had coped brilliantly with all the injuries, the pressure, etc, but the loss of Eduardo in such a horrible way and the aftermath knocked them off their stride. If they had won, they would have felt that they had “avenged” Eduardo (if that doesn’t sound too fanciful) and they would have got over the shock more quickly. As it was, they were not able get themselves out of a fearful, cautious mindset.
I reckon it’s not top quality we’re short of, it’s experience. And hopefully the players will have understood what is required for next year.

Finally, nobody’s thrilled about being third with no trophy. OK? That doesn’t mean we all have to slit our wrists or beat up on the team or turn on the manager. We can take the positives to build on and try and eliminate the negatives for next year. As for comparisons with the Invincibles and the earlier incarnation, let’s not take too rosy a view of previous years - Arsenal under Wenger have always tended to be fragile. We have let leads slip before, passed up the chance to win the double or the treble before. The competition for top spot even 5 years ago was not as fierce as it is today, so put their achievements in context. I personally am of the opinion that the current lot are (mostly) tougher nuts than their predecessors. I think they’ll do it next year.

The difference was that Man U have world class players who seem happy to be part of the squad and wait for their opportunity.

We had Diarra.

I totally disagree with you. If you win the title, money flows in; it’s as simple as that. Chelsea now sells more shirts than we do because of recent good records.

MANU has already paid the money they spent on Rio and Rooney (30 & 27). This win will send more money to them and if they overcome Chelsea as I pray that they do (because of the noice Chelsea will make in London that they’re the best and the fact that they’ve bought their success), they will easily pay the debts of Hargreaves, Nani and Anderson.

If only Arsenal had taken a loan and spend to buy a dominating CB in January, we would win the title and would generate more than needed to pay off the debts.

Its a fact that Arsene despite his economics degree and a former lecturer doesn’t buy and thus causing years without trophy.

N19 i couldn’t agree with you more we should have tried harder to keep Diarra, he would have been so usefull in the second half of the season.

The club docs need to sort out the long term fitness of our resident sick notes RVP and |Rosicky who are undoubtably both world class when they are on form but we have seen to little of them both for a long time, should they be fit for next season it would be like having two new signings.

Fungunner,

That’s a very good point about Arsenal being fragile under Wenger and that they passed up opportunities. I think that a lack of squad throughout the Wenger years has hampered us but a lack of bouncebackability is harder to explain.

I agree we need to build on this season but this will be hard with Flamini gone and probably Hleb as well. Other teams will be stronger also so we need to invest. I don’t want a new manager just for us to take that extra step up.

I do wonder whether the club is managing injuries as well as it used to. Eduardo aside, we seem to have players out for long periods with apparently minor or ‘mystery’ injuries.

Have there been changes in the medical staff? Gary Lewin is a legend, but is he getting enough support?

N19 my thoughts exactly…

Kos,

If I were Wenger I wouldn’t have sold Diarra, I’d have relegated him to the reserves till he learnt his lesson. But he wouldn’t have played. I think it’s daft to say that Wenger should keep a player who refused to play FA Cup games. Certainly he was unsettling the dressing room.

About alternatives. All these are facile arguments to make. The fact still remains that we had an enormous number of injuries. Our whole squad; each player missed at least two games to injuries, and we still finished 4 points of the pace. Surely the alternatives stepped up.

But it’s ridiculous to expect that having so many injuries will not affect the team. Simply ridiculous. I say the difference the injuries made was the 5 points that would have made us champions.

United played the whole season with a centre-back as right back and without one single out and out striker.

Denilson was injured most of the season. Djourou was injured most of the time he’s been back. Hoyte did struggle to make an impact but then Hoyte is 3rd choice right back. I’d compare him to Man U’s Johnny Evans or someone like that.

Ole Gunner wtf is Jonny Evans?

Hoyte suffered this season purely because Wenger went and bought a better pleyer than him Last season there wasn’t that much difference in his performances to that of Eboue when he was playing at right back and the wind just got knocked out of his sails when Sagna a much better right back was bought.

N19,

“The difference was that Man U have world class players who seem happy to be part of the squad and wait for their opportunity.”

Nonsense. This is the exact attitude that drives me nuts. The players of other teams are always world class, special, wonderful. We had more players than them in team of the season. A lot of their big names-Hargrieves, Nani, Anderson, Carrick have done fuck-all this season.

And for fucksakes Diarra is NOT a world class player. He’s a guy that could be a World Class player and no more. I am sick of hearing about this Diarra guy. If he was that good, why didn’t he win a place in the team?

About injuries, you do have a point. Every injury seems to be a long lay-off. I wonder what’s up with that. This is the 3rd season in a row that injuries crippled our ability to compete.

“The basic salaries may be lower but the bonus and incentive system operated by the club compensates for that. In winning seasons, it is higher yet they will be amply rewarded this time around.”

Yogi, can you or anyone provide links that support this info?

Diarra isn’t world class but could have improved like Flamini. There were ways of handling the Diarra situation. As you say, he could have been put in the reserves. He could have been loaned out. Eboue who was utterly hopeless could have been dropped and Diarra play instead. Flamini could have been told to sign by January or he would be dropped for Diarra. The only situation we needed to avoid was losing both which we managed to do. This is not just sheer stupidity but borders on criminal negligence. We also sold Diarra for too little -£5.5m isn’t much. We now have to spend more to replace both. Sheer lunacy.

My god Kos very good points, I cant help but think that were a director of fottball been here or a David Dein replacement this scenario would not have happened.

Kos,

But Eboue is not first choice. When Diarra was here Rosicky was fit, and he had no path into the team. Diarra is not a winger, so how could he have played right midfield? He was not as good as any player playing ahead of him. But he could have improved. he had to learn to play the Arsenal game…chiefly to pass the ball quickly to feet which he was poor at.
Kos, come on stop all this kind of funny talk. Flamini could have been told to sign in January? Flamini insisted he wanted to stay all along.

This talk of negligence is completely illogical.

How much should we have sold Diarra for? £100 million? Chelsea sold him for £2M. I have a feeling you much overrate the guy.

I don’t think that I overrate Diarra. Wenger called him “a fantastic player” he currently plays for France and could well become the new Makalele and we sold him for too little when Flamini had not signed! Given time I think Diarra would have been class. It took Flamini time and he was great last season.

This is just laughable conduct from a club like ours. The point is that Diarra should not have been sold while Flamini had not signed a new deal. Its really simple. Diarra not a winger - I agree but neither is Eboue. In fact Eboue is not even a footballer. Diarra could not have been worse than 0 goals and 1 assist all season which is all Eboue managed!

By letting Diarra go we were trusting the word of a footballer who already did one Bosman. I can see why Wenger felt let down but its naive to think that a player will sign just because he says so! This is an ever more mercenary sport and Wenger’s job is to do the best for the club, not the best for Flamini or Diarra. I cannot believe that ManU would have allowed this type of situation to develop.

Diarra managed to bully us into giving him a transfer after he had just signed a 4 yr contract and Flamini strung as along until he got offered a better offer elsewhere and we allowed this to happen.

This is pathetic to be frank.

Ole Gunner - I disagree i think its fair to see that he is minimum an above average midfielder who is more than capable of playing on the right mid.

And we did miss a trick in loosing two very good defensive midfielders for next to nothing in the space of 6 months something which should not have happened so talk of neglegence is not unfounded and is likely to cost us finacialy.

Sorry dude I am with Kos on this one to loose on good defensive midfielder was reckless but two within 6 months borders on neglegent.

Ole

One thing I can agree with you on is that our injuries last much longer than that of Manures. Imagine Rooney playing yesterday if it was an Arsenal player he would have been out for 10 to 15 days. Absences of Dudu, RVP and Ros for long periods cost us dearly. But at the end of the day it was the defence that let us down the most.

I want to pick up one of gunner4life comments that players over 30 are not well respected by the club. I look at Scholes and Ryan Giggs contribution to Manure this season(Sir Rednose I will grudgingy admit is loyal to his players and a great motivator) and I imagine that if we had kept Viera and Lauren and maybe Pires we could have done much better. The way Gilberto’s confidence was shot to pieces was not good too. Bert played very well yesterday after a string of games. His pass to Walcott was superb and his holding play was also good. Maybe if we had played him more back to form we would have a better contributor during the crucial period of our season and steadied the ship better after Dudu’s injury. Psychologically we were poor after that game( BTW I am glad Birmingham is going down- that is karma for you)
The defense that had held well before that leaked goals and killed our EPL/CL hopes. A good mixture of experience and youth is needed I think next season. Willy as captain in the begining was good but when the shit hit the fan he imploded when it is he who should be a calming influence.
That must change.

Up The Arse!!!

I think Flamini was offered a new contract before January (around Christmas) but he kept stringing the club along. That’s what annoys me about him. Ok, it’s his right to go for more money to a glamorous club like Milan. Yes, Milan are hardly setting the world on fire right now and may even be out of the CL next season but with Flam’s Italian background and Milan’s history and prestige regardless of their current poor form, it’s undersandable he chose to go there. It is simply a fact that AC Milan are a bigger, more prestigious club than Arsenal.

(Inter, however, are not, and Hleb’s choice is suspect on that score–except for money, and maybe his belief that Italian refs will protect him more than in England).

However this bullshit Flamini’s spewing about Arsenal not winning trophies being his reason to leave just reinforces my feeling about the guy. He wasn’t honest and straightforward with the club. That may be naive to expect nowadays, that doesn’t prevent me from criticizing him for it. At least Diarra was open and honest with Wenger: I want to be guaranteed a first team spot and if you can’t do that, then I won’t play in the FA cup or Carling Cup.

I don’t like that kind of negotiating tactic either but at least it’s straightforward. Diarra never professed that he wanted to stay at Arsenal over and over again the way Flamini did. He never claimed to have any attachment to the club.

And about Diarra….there’s no doubt we could’ve used him. No one is saying he’s world class but he’s good enuf to have stepped in to give Flamini a break and also to show Flamini he wasn’t indispensible. The fact is that Wenger preferred Gilberto behind Flamini rather than Diarra. I just wish Wenger had rotated a bit more. I don’t want him to be like Rafa but I just don’t think he rotates enuf (except for injuries and suspensions).

And as for those injuries….is this issue ever going to be resolved for us? We are more injury plagued than Utd or Chelsea or Liverpool. And now we have the Euros coming up….and, as AW mentioned in last week’s Q&A, there are wc qualifiers for African and South American players as well. (AW also got in a dig at how Africa’s football authorities manage to hold their qualifiers in the summer yet they argue that they can’t hold the ANC in the summer).

Wenger’s never won a title during the season immediately after a wc or Euro tournament. I’m trying to remain hopeful but with players who are constantly beset by injuries I am worried about next season. If this problem persists, how can we hope to win the title?

And it also looks like we may be losing Gary Lewin to the national team because Capello wants a fulltime physio. Seems a stupid waste of Gary’s time but he’s been offered a larger pay package than he gets at Arsenal.

I think gazzap is on-target re reasons for our failure this season:

“2)The 3 draws following Birmingham where the team looked shorn of confidence and energy. we did not deserve to win those very winnable fixtures. I dont know why. … Its been said that Man u and chelsea both win games when they cannot get out of second gear. its clear that we cannot.”

Exactly. All this talk of the January transfer window….the fact is we were coping well in the league with injuries and the ANC until that Birmingham game. The fact is that few if any of the January buys in the league made a huge difference to their clubs’ performance in the remaining half of the season.

“3) our inability to defend a lead. I agree with wenger that simple long balls down the middle were a problem for us and I also never feel comfortable defending set pieces when the other team have a couple of big men up there. This needs sorting out.”

This has been a problem for some time now and it’s good to see Wenger finally seeing this is a major problem. I just wish I understood why it took him so long to see it, tho.

Kos

You’re right. The behaviour of Diarra and Flamini would not have been tolerated at Man U. Wes Brown tried to play games and threatened to go on a bosman until he got the hairdryer and signed.

Players and their agents have gained too much influence and the Board need to sort it out.

N19

There ia a perception that Wenger’s infinite understanding with players can be taken as him being too soft (apart from over 30s!).

Brown is a good example as you say.

We should take a hardline with players and contracts. How much has it cost us to lose Kanu, Wiltord, Edu, Campbell and now Flamini for nothing! We keep making the same mistakes. At a conservative estimate thats about £30m I reckon.

Diarra is playing for France because Sagnol wasn’t available. Not in central midfield. And Diaby has got games for France too.

I can’t understand how you’d seriously talk of retaining a player who refused to play FA Cup games. For crissakes, what kind of freaking attitude is that?

Andyour argument’s based on hindsight. Wenger didn’t expect Flamini to leave. At the time Diarra left Flamini was playing, Diarra insisted on playing. He was unsettling the dressing room, affecting mates like Abou Diaby.

I don’t understand how I should take Kos seriously when he says Wenger should have benched Hleb to play Diarra. That’s puerile talk. Diarra’s record could not have been worse than Eboue’s you say? How about Man United’s Anderson who has 0 goals and 0 assist for the whole season?

Diarra was sold because he was 4th in the pecking order for the position. We made £3 Million quid off his stupidity.

Flamini leaving is not a crisis. Losing Diarra is not a crisis. He wasn’t one of our main targets for the summer. he just happened to have been available. A good buy.

Ole,

I never said bench Hleb and play Diarra. I said bench Eboue and play Diarra.

If it meant keeping Diarra I would have done the above. It was clear long before Jan to everyone apart from Wenger that Eboue was never going to make it at right wing, or anywhere else for that matter. He is so bad it is almost funny especially since his other talents include diving, cheating and feining injury.

Ole Gunner

The whole team refused to play an FA cup game at Old Trafford and we lost 4-0.

Kos bloody hell that is a conservative estimate i would think closer to £50m and you forgot my fav Pires.

Wiltord virtually went on strike before we bought him and the same player refused to play v Southampton in the last game of the 2001 season but Wenger dealt with this.

Its called man management and is an essential part of being successful in football.

We got bullied by Diarra and held to ranson by 1 great season Flamini. Its called embarrassment.

Silver Gunner,

I apologise profusely for forgetting the great Pires who is criminally underrated (obviously by me also.)

£30m too low I agree. I was being conservative!

Kos,

Hleb and Rosicky were fit. Eboue wasn’t starting games. So what are you talking about? It was after Diarra left that Eboue had a run in the team. To say that we should have played a defensive midfielder with no history there when better players were available makes me wonder. And I just love how Diarra is suddenly the messiah on which our title hopes would have rested.

We could also have played him upfront instead of Eduardo right?

You guys crack me up. Wes Brown didnt leave because he got the hairdryer treatment? L fucking OL. What did Red Nose do. threaten to kill his family?

Diarra is not the messiah but losing him was inept. He could have been rotated with Flam and Sagna to give them a rest also.

Bottom line about Brown is that he signed. I don’t see ManU losing good players for little/nothing.

I mean, if Diarra thought Rosicky would be injured leaving him a path into the team he’d have stayed right? He afterall left because he saw no path into the team. Which just further underlines his stupidity. To think he’d have had his chance, and if we accept all you say, that had made the difference. he could have stayed at Arsenal and contributed to a championship winning team. Instead he’s gone to obscurity somewhere.

Man U don’t lose players. PERIOD.

Ole Gunner i think the thing to remember is that Wes Brown has had a good season and Man U have done the sensible thing in retaining his services how that was done i dont know. But what is clear is that we have missed a trick with Diarra and Flamini.

Whether Diarra can play right mid or not is irrelevant as he has the technical attributes to play in the center of mid right mid or right back and has done in the past for chelsea when he was their player.

All that matters is that we dont let similar things happen in the future, it seems AW is very trusting in all his players but the Flamini’s of this world do exist (pro’s that don’t show any great alliegence or affinity to any particular club). We must be wary of them.

Lets agree to disagree re Diarra. He’s gone.

Lets see how much we spend replacing him and Flamini!

Ole agreed it seems that Man U only sell players they no longer need that must be addressed.

Ole Gunner

“Man U don’t lose players. PERIOD.”

Don’t you wish that we could say the same?

Silver Gunner

I agree. We missed a trick and need to learn from this for the future. There are too many mercenaries about so we have to be careful. Its easy for a player to say “I’ll sign” and wait for bigger offers like Flamini did. We need to better protect ourselves against this. We even gave Sol a free so he could go abroad (strange) and yet ended up at Pompey where he pocketed some of the potential transfer fee in wages! Edu, Pires etc also. This has gone on for far too long and is a bad example to the other players. How many other will be tempted to run down their contract and then ask for 100k a week?

Kos,

Of course I hate the fact that all those players left…Vieira, Henry…They were stupid to leave. But if a player wants to leave, HE WILL LEAVE. That’s why Mourinho sold this guy Diarra. He rated him as a player. Same happened with Gallas.

Exactly. That’s why Arsene was right not to succumb to Flamini’s blackmail. That’s what it was. If he’d paid Flamini more I guarantee you he’d have had other players do the same.

You guys really do crack me up… Diarra left because he didn’t want to stay! Wenger as I recall tried to point out that patience is required and still he decided to spit the dummy and rant to the press until he engineered a move. Firstly, he is not god’s gift to the midfield and even were he to prove that he could walk on water with an attitude like his why the hell would we want him at the club. I remember one of his first interviews after the transfer… he said the move was a stepping stone to a bigger club! I think some of you live in a fantasy world, this isn’t the latest version of Championship Manager.

One final though, many have mentioned Brown. The difference with Brown staying is that he held the club over a barrel with regards to his wage demands… they decided to meet them and thus you now have an average player getting £55k a week. Manchester United now have debts in excess of £700 million all using the club as the asset, interesting to note in the calculations of the riches clubs that transfer fees were not included and yet the players valuations are? Please explain that to me?

If someone like Giggs had been at Arsenal before 2 seasons when chelsea were winning… would he be offered a new contract?? nopes… but he should be for what he brings into the side wrt experience ditto with gilberto… he has got no noticeable effects on the game in terms of producing goals and scoring them…. but he deserves to be paid back his loyalty to the club…same with henry and pires and viera.

Abt Flamini… I have the most fitting story tht led to his departure..

When he said he wanted to sign a contract last july but nothing happened ..he meant he wasnt offered a new contract when he finally decided to give it a one last shot.

So even before the start of the season he had it in his mind tht he has to revive his career and this was the golden opportunity… he was playing for team never…he was playing for himself and of course the team gained. But I think he had decided long ago tht he would leave if he got a gr88 offer….. make no mistake those star studded performances from hleb and flamini were nothing but to impress the opp directors of the massive massive club… thts where from that extra energy came from…and we as fans were fooled a bit. Hleb going for an icecream is a testament to this fact tht he was unusually gr8 tht nite.

So all done and dusted we dint win and tht was the last straw… not th us winning would have changed flamini’s mind… but as he himself said… it would have been a tougher choice for him to make. Finally he had a very easy decision to make. I can blame wenger as much as i can blame flamini for this.

One last thing on Diarra. Why on earth would he refuse to play Carling Cup and FA Cup games. He’s playing FA Cup games for Portsmouth. He played CC games for Chelsea. Why would he refuse it for Arsenal?

I think he just realised there was no path to a starting place, and he deep down didn’t think he’s good enough.

My opinion.

Toronto dude in the past i would have agreed that Wes Brown was an average player but that is no longer true he is first choice right back at the manure even with neville fully fit i doubt he will be able to oust brown from the team next term.

Signing Brown even for 55k was good business, I can only think of sagna in the english prem better than him.

Let’s see who Wenger gets to replace Flamini. His suggestion was that Diaby, Denilson, Gilberto or Song.

Diaby is an attacking player and I am not convinced he can play defensively or stay fit. Gilberto has been a decent player over the years but it is time for him to go now. Song may be able to do it but we have not seen enough with him as central mid.

I would prefer a signing but let’s judge at the end of the transfer window (when we usually make our moves, right at the end.)

About taking 3rd place if offered at the start of the sesson, I agree I would have been VERY happy but that doens’t mean I’ve to be happy to after having lead the race for sooo long. To start again, I would have been happy to be offerd 3rd place of the sesson because we had sold arguabley the best player after having extended his contact by 4 yrs (or was it 5?) just a sesson ago. The club didn’t bring in a replacement with the same star value (probably the right thing to do) but if they had say brought-in Eto, most of us would have taken 3rd place for granted & would have expected us to be fighting for the title. Thanks Arsen for brining us Eduardo.

This isn’t to say Ade is a bad player but Arsen himself said he was expecting only 15 goals from Ade, which meant Ade was playing a different role from what was originally planned. Ade is not my fav player but I’ve to agree he did more than all the criticisim from me (I was one of those who cursed him when he missed the chance against Liverpool like so many other times). Ade’s case is not unique this year, Eboue is only a make shift winger, Senderos is a good deputy & so is Almunia. Don’t get me wrong here, Almunia is a good golie but being Spanish but not being coverted by any spanish club to me clearly shows he is not world class (example Schmeichel - hate him cos he played for Manu, ofcourse there were so many other players who caused a lot of pain for us Arsenal supports but he was definitely one of the main one)
We can’t afford to start the next sessons as well on make shifts. That is not to say lets buy a forward, if RVP & Eduardo are fit, along with Ade, Bendtner & Theo, we have a set of forwards as good as any but we need a similar group of the other areas as well.

In the wings we don’t seem to have any 1st choice wingers, even Rosicky has said he prefers the center which clashes with Fabs position & hence been playing wide. I’m looking forward to Vella joining up but will he be sufficient?

Clearly we also need a couple of good defensive players, 1 each for DM & center half. Someone in the Sol Campbell mould. It would also be useful to retain Gilberto (I do think he has not been treated with respect after all these years of good service)
Also there is no cover for Clichy, he has been so good & injury free this year that we have all taken Galles’s words that Tarore is the next bright star in the making. He is just 17 & flamini is gone!

Finally I would be happy if we do sign a good GK as I would be worried starting the session with just Almunia & Fabianski.

Guess, I’ve doubled Arsen’s plan for 2 players & comes with the Q of sqaud size & management of players expectations.

Man Utd dumped Stam & Van Nistelrooy, amongst others, not because they no longer had anything to offer in football terms - they were both in their peak years, and still had plenty to offer - but because Ferguson fell out with them, and therefore airbrushed them out of Old Trafford.

It simply isn’t true that Man Utd don’t lose players…they do, but not necessarily for the same reasons that Arsenal do.

Well done Toronto and Ole gunner for trying to bring some sense to the proceedings. I can see from the comments that it’s going to be a long and tedious summer. At least it will discourage me from wasting too much time online in the coming weeks!

lol i agree with you passenal

Well ben arfa looks more and more likely it may be the end of Hleb…..

Kos you keep harping on about Diarra like they guy was Kaka. Since he left the club I must have missed how he has been setting the premeirship alight with his performances at Pompey. The bottom line is the guy has an attitude problem that was damaging to the squad.he was simply trying to build up his profile, play at all costs to get a France call up. No player is bigger than the club so to call Wengers behaviour towards players who clearly dont want to be at the club irresponsible is laughable.Fegie got rid of Ruud Van Nistelrooy (Man U top scorer for 3 seasons at the time) becoz he challenged his decisions. Man U didnt win the Prem for 3 years after that but look who is laughing now. Ronaldinho has been ditched at Barca.World player of the years 2 seasons ago.Are they stupid?

Also wtf does flamini mean when he says he would have stayed if the club won silverware.Yeah like Milan is going to win Serie A?He would have gained more respect by just being honest.Good riddance

Also ow do you rate world class.When you say Arsenal lack first clas players. If you took away Ronaldo, Ferdinand, Rooney and Tevez then Man U would look just as world class as Blackburn Rovers.

We came 3rd an improvement from last season and lost out by 4 points. Gutted but not down. All about next season an looking forward to the Young guns doing even better

“It is a matter of opinion whether this season has been a failure. In brutal terms, no trophies is not successful.”

That depends on what you choose to define as success. Will someone that gets a broze in the Olympics this summer be branded a failure? Or even someone who finishes 4th in their event, and goes home medalless?

They might be gutted, but they will also rightly be celebrated as one of the very best in the world at what they do.

The only standard by which this season was unsuccessful is the one where it is held up as our birthright to win trophies every year.

As for all the fuss about people leaving, a lot of the fan reaction is a heck of a lot more like the rantings of a dumped boyfriend than anything bordering on rationality.

Kos, I agree with ur views on man management wrt Diarra and flamini.

Going back to Birmingham or Middlesbrough away, these were matches that showed how jaded our players were. You cannot wish away squad depth and the injury excuse just does not wash. Every team is expected to have sick notes, we cannot be an exception.

If we look back at those matches, most teams pack their midfields, defend massively against us and hit us on the counter (-ve football). That explains the difficulty for us to score against them and the long ball weakness that we have. Our centre backs are not as fast and tough, so we conceed. With Eduardo pairing Ade, we had an outlet for our own long balls, which survived us against Everton away. But Ade alone or Ade/Bert could not produce that spark. Eduardo/Ade could have won the league as one compensates for the other!

The title was lost by Ade. In the critical matches, Birmingham, Wigan, Boro, Villa and Liverpool in the CL, he threw away all the sitters he had.

Ade scored 30 goals and helped put us up there, right? and great for him but most of his goals were not critical ones. My emphasis is on ‘most’ because when it came to the crunch with only he and the goalkeeper, he always failed.

Arsene realises it that’s why he said he still needs improvement. In fact, I can say that Bendtner scored critical goals than Ade. Next season, I don’t expect all balls to be thrown to him as he has the tendency of wasting an only chance in a game.

Torres is far ahead of him, a better finisher.

I really think although we did well in January, the ACN + Injuries came in the wrong season for us. I think if this happened next season we would have been better prepared for it than this year. This the year that every one wrote us off as inexperienced, still young and not enough depth. Fair enough, but add to that a double digit number of injuries, and an ACN, then losing Eduardo, plus some stupid referee decisions, is one too many obstacles to go through beside being already written off before the season started.

If our Euro 08 players come back not injured, plus the couple of players we add, with the young today, older tomorrow….we will have a big chance.

Howard

Care to be more specific in which insignificant goals Ade had scored and which one Bentdner had scored?

Up The Arse!!!

Howard, thanks for the laugh mate. We should replace Ade with which English striker then? Crouch, I bet :)

Oh wait, or would you like Heskey instead?

G4E

Injuries are part of the game and everyone knows it but you plan against.

Our problem was relying on poor back-ups especially in defence, Senderos and Djourou. Arsene should have brought in a better defender in January, who could have replaced Senderos and also allowed Kolo to rest. We also lost because of Ade’s poor finishing at Birmingham and after; missiing sitters after sitters.

I doubt if Ade can improve his touch, passing and finishing. It’s good Arsene is looking for creater/scorer (Ben Arfa). He will come in and score the vital goals which Ade can’t muster courage to score.

Ade is poor man’s Drogba and Torres. We can’t rely on him to deliver the ‘one chance in a game’ goals unlike players like Torres, Drogba, Ronaldo and Teves.

Ben Arfa will be like Bobby Pires for us.

You still didn’t answer my question Howard, Crouch or Heskey?

Please for god sake leave it at tht.. howard.
We al know what Ade is all about…no one here is saying he is a superman…and no one says he is equal to torres.

Torres is not affordable now forget him… neither is ramsey now coz his hero giggs has it seems persuaded him to join manu. So…thr you go.

Where the f*** do the get the money from.
Manu are still signing….. they will have to win next season… one season of flop it will burst.

Ben Arfa if he comes will compete on the left hand side with vela i think…. It sounds very good.
But I think we still need to buy someone as creative as Kranjcar…..he is speed and technique and creativity in a single player.

And a CB signing is also around the corner…. as revealed by wenger himself.

So a nice summer period to look forward to… and if RVP can get himself fit for at least 20 games next season… we are complete in squad depth.

well said G4e…this howard is an idiot..

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