Peter Hill-Wood has given Arsene a vote of confidence. In normal football circumstances, a P45 would swiftly follow except Arsenal do not operate in normal football circumstances. When the Chairman says such things, you have the impression that any question about Arsene’s future is batted away with an answer preceded by a five-minute laughing fit. PHW said,
It’s laughable to think he doesn’t have the support of the board. We are very happy with him and I think he is with us
I do not know anyone who knows anything about football who wants Wenger replaced. Some dislike the presumed power that he has but the criticism of him centres on his transfer policy, not spending the future now for a populist big signing. It is something that has the backing of the club’s hierarchy,
We have never denied Arsene Wenger a penny. Whenever he has wanted to buy, he has. What he is not prepared to do is to buy a big name that everyone will be happy with until they see them play. He is a very good judge. He has brought in so many world-class players, some of whom people had not even heard of at the time, and I am sure he will continue that
This summer Wenger has already admitted to wanting a creative midfielder and a defensive player. We presume he will be looking for a replacement for Mathieu Flamini as well but that may not necessarily be the case. What I do think is likely is that signings of a similar ilk of Sagna and Eduardo are the course Arsene will follow. He has a number of young players on the fringes of the first team squad and the balance he has to strike is to allow those who he thinks will make the grade to progress, or have that chance to, without blocking their path with a number of players in the way. In that respect, we might see two or three fringe players depart and replacements come in otherwise signings ought to be ready for immediate first team action.
Alas for Arsene, the rumours feed on perceived inaction in the market. Despite the close season not even starting, Tottenham are rumoured to have been speaking with David Villa (Madrid-bound if the Spanish media are to be believed) and to have sounded out Samuel Eto’o yet nothing about Arsenal because the manager keeps his cards close to his chest. Sunny afternoons seem destined to be filled with similar complaints to 2007 when missed opportunities such as Ribery, Babel and Torres were all heavily linked with the club and taken as the truth, the whole truth and nothing vaguely resembling media lies. It is easily forgotten that if a journalist asks a player specifically about joining Arsenal, the club’s name is easily interchangeable with any other.
Hill-Wood was more circumspect about the season that draws to a close on Sunday,
I don’t feel depressed about it. Overall, it’s not been a bad season. Other clubs would have been happy to be in our position. I was very happy with the way we played, but we are in the results business and I’m disappointed with the final result, I suppose
The inference being drawn is that the Board lack the drive, based simply on PHW’s last two words. Had he carried out a later thought, that might have been enough for some,
We will start next season with the aim of winning something. If we don’t, I will not be jumping off Tower Bridge. It’s not easy winning the Champions League and the Premier League
Indeed, it is not. That does not preclude trying hard and this season, the team did just that and came up short but not so much as people would like you to believe. However, in this world for some that is not enough. Everyone wants to win but acknowledging those efforts is derided, seeking positives is deemed to be accepting second best. It is an attitude that misses the point. I do not know anyone who supports Arsenal that is ‘happy’ the club did not win anything. Looking for strengths without denying weaknesses ought to be the aim; simply throwing out the latest name that has been bandied around does not solve any problems. It is easier to criticise destructively than to look for truths. In Arsenal’s case, I would suggest that the truth is more palatable than some would have you believe – the many technical strengths were derailed by a lack of leadership in tough times, lack of midfield goals, costly momentary lapses in concentration and a list of injuries that would make even the best wince.
William Gallas may yet pay the price of being relieved of the captaincy. There is no shame in that if there is an experienced replacement. Let us not forget though that it was his first season in that role and he has learned much from it. Yet the captain is not the only leader on the pitch, other experienced professionals can influence upon their colleagues performances in equal measure. Perhaps some of the squad did not realise that at the time when struggling against Villa, Birmingham or Wigan. We do not know.
As for the injuries, who could have predicted Eduardo’s and RvP hurting himself so badly? If Arsene had that much foresight, he would have signed more strikers or looked for a free-scoring midfielder. There is a strong case for looking for a left-sided midfielder who is genuinely that rather than fitting other players into that role.
The job that Arsene and the coaching staff have this summer is to work on those weaknesses and turn them to strengths. New faces will help, making the squad stronger. Signing freely is not the solution for as much as new players can re-invigorate, they can destabilise at a time when Arsene wants the squad to prove that they are ‘winners’.
Retaining the services of Alex Hleb for at least one more season would allow strengthening to take place and give Arsene more options for difficult away games such as those at the rest of the top four where as he rightly points out, leads were thrown away in various competitions.
Meanwhile Arsene has praised Manuel Almunia. Despite improving, there are still muted calls for a new goalkeeper on top of the new signings. This misses the point; there is a paucity of world-class custodians and those such as Buffon and Casillas are not going to leave their current homes and even if they were to be prised away, it would use most if not all, of the transfer budget to do so. To my mind, there are more pressing concerns that replacing someone who has done more than a decent job this season.
The Times meanwhile reports that the British Government has introduced rules that mean as from October 2008, non-EU nationals joining English Premier League clubs must have mastered English to a suitable level otherwise work permits will not be issued. I would have thought that their attentions should be concentrated on English players because some of them are barely able to string two words together in their native tongue…
‘til Tomorrow.























“I would have thought that their attentions should be concentrated on English players because some of them are barely able to string two words together in their native tongue…”
Hilarious ! Good read this morning YW , i read your blog everyday . its written intelligently.. keep up the good work ! i think the FA should turn its attentions to English players as well, gosh when will they do that ???!!!
By: tee on May 8, 2008
at 8:36 am
Another good article Yogi!
You are quite right about Manuel – there really are more pressing area’s of the team to improve than GK this summer.
I for one, would be more than happy not to sign a new GK.
Centre half, a replacement and Mathieu, and a creative player (winger) and i will be more than happy, and confident going into next season.
And for stability – keep Willy as Captain.
Let the silly season commence.
By: Matt on May 8, 2008
at 8:37 am
Hi Guys! My call for Fab4 to be given the Captaincy I must retract! Clichy is the guy to lead the team for the next 10 years if you ask me, read this interview in the Sun http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article1137360.ece
Spoken like not only a true captain but also a man who will die for the Gunners this is the sort of insperational talk that we need in the side.
Love that guy more and more everytime he plays or speaks!
By: drew10 on May 8, 2008
at 8:43 am
Just read few details on leeds tory… its chilling.
Leeds or manu it will take just 2 seasons of not winning anything for them to indulge in frantic selling of players.. to us to gain an advantage with real bargains… I think if we would have won this time…we would have been in a whole new world with evone at chelsea and manu wanting to come to arsenal… not without the “board’s backing”…
Anyone else wanting to know the full picture…. and put all the clubs including us in perspective can do tht by reading this… Am really happy with what we have got…Death can come so swift.
http://www.mightyleeds.co.uk/seasons/200304part2.htm
As of transfers… I said all the time.. we wont have any difficulty in finding a player of flamini’s calibre….
And now I think with wilshere surely making it to the first team next year… it certainly isnt a disaster if we get good money for hleb even…altho having said tht we would prefer our nucleus to stick…more so cause he is frnds with cesc…and make no mistake cesc runs the show for us.
Another playmaker in kranjcar would be most welcome to play alongside cesc or mayb in place of cesc where both can share the role(more likely)..And a giant of a center back is imperative it sounds.
But I think most of them we need a goal scoring midfielder…whether vela can do tht i am not sure…and not even walcott…. a true pires type buy would be required… btw if huntelaar comes…it would be just cool… mayb RVP can make some of his wages worth by luring him into our squad.
By: gunner4life on May 8, 2008
at 8:48 am
Clichy:
“But, as we say in France, any experience which does not kill you can only make you stronger”
I love this guy
On the same lines…if senderos is able to pick himself up..he is going to be phenomenal with all those experiences.
By: gunner4life on May 8, 2008
at 8:51 am
“I would have thought that their attentions should be concentrated on English players because some of them are barely able to string two words together in their native tongue…”
haha…..!!
Clichy and Fabregas top class examples of being loyal to the club. Boo mathieu..
By: alter on May 8, 2008
at 8:57 am
Another perceptive article. The modern Arsenal are Arsene’s creation. The press do not give him enough credit for creating a competitive side while the club built a new stadium. His transfer dealings are generally miraculous and blow a hole in Keegan and Redknapp’s ascertion that you need to spend big to compete with the top two. Indeed Moyes and O’Neill have demonstrated competitive sides can be built with time. It shows the immaturity of the press that they criticise Arsenal and Wenger for trying to control their costs while Chelsea and Man Utd continue to operate their unsustainable business models (How much press was there for Man Utd’s holding company’s £45m loss).
As for the quota/import arguement Blatter was on Sky last night again with his quota proposals. Do they really think that by limiting non domestic players the game would be improved, you only habve to look at the improvement in African players as a result of their exposure to the game in Europe and better coaching standards. But I guess FIFA and UEFA are really only about ensuring the international game remains pre-eminant
By: Vivb on May 8, 2008
at 9:03 am
o.k, i will probably get slated for this but I would not waste resources on a centre half. I say get Senderos on the first team from day one and he will grow from there. We cannot forget that this guy was at the heart of the defence when we got to the CL final without conceding a single goal. He needs games to gain confidence. He was playing better and better with each game when Toure was in the ACNs. He messes things up when he comes in for a game because he is anxious to make an impact. I fear if Senderos goes he will be an amazing centre half elsewhere. I even think he can be club captain one day.
By: drgooner on May 8, 2008
at 9:08 am
Another great piece YW.
I have the feeling that Arsene will not buy a replacement for Flamini he may already see that in Denilson. We all thought that the Brazilian was a better prospect that Flamini before the season started and he has had alot of injuries this season. This is why I think Arsene is playing him alongside Cesc now.
We shall see.
I read a comment from Josef K yesterday and it was so good that I used it on my site today. I hope you don’t mind Mr K.
http://www.arsenalvision.co.uk/myvision.php?articleid=619
By: MeanLean on May 8, 2008
at 9:14 am
Good one, YW.
Great perspective from you & I have to say PHW.
We have to recognise, where AFC are at this particular time.
Kevin Keegan said that there is no way for other clubs to break into the top 4. I don’t actually believe that because there are a group of clubs, including his own, who have spent much more on players, than 1 member of the 4, AFC.
AW could easily say a similar thing, as KK, & with some justification, about breaking into the top 2, but he doesn’t. Not only that but he will come within a maximum of 7 points of proving you can go all the way against those in a much more powerful situation than your own.
At the end of the day this season, the reason we didn’t win anything was down to a catastrophic loss of form & confidence, brought about by the events at Birmingham. Lack of maturity to overcome it was our problem.
As PHW says it is bloody hard to win these competitions & to have nearly won them is much better than the the great majority are achieving.
This current team may go pear shaped, I don’t think it will, but whilst AW himself has the motivation he will remain by far our best hope of defying the real odds, that KK refers to.
Seeing as silly season has already started I will put in my 2 penneth.
GK – I agree with YW
CB- Richard Dunne put in about the best CB display at the Emirates, this season, & I understand is available.
Flamini replacement- Song with Denilson & Gilberto. Only need to buy if Gilberto goes.
1 or 2 (if Hleb goes) creative players, preferably 1 to be left sided.
That & retain all but Jens, should make us competitive again.
By: Flint McCullough on May 8, 2008
at 9:22 am
drgooner -
I for 1 will not slate you.
I was thinking the same myself but feel that because of the ridiculous expectation it would be too much of a risk.
We will need 4/5 CBS because of injuries & suspensions. Kolo, Gallas, Swiss T, new guy with Djourou able to fill in at CB, RB or CM.
Song should be our up & down man. I am really impressed with him.
By: Flint McCullough on May 8, 2008
at 9:31 am
I think Wenger wants 12 months out of Hleb then Merida will ready for a run or one of the other young talents in the club Gibbs, Randell, Brazite or Lansbury.
Keeping a lid on costs is vital as you have to suspect revenue streams at the Emirates will come under more pressure as companies cut back corporate spending.
By: Vivb on May 8, 2008
at 9:35 am
Flint I agree Dunne would be good but how old is he, Song should be given the opportunity to replace Flamini, Denilson can play RM if needed, if Gilberto stays he should play for 60 minutes, or come on as sub at 60 minutes, not using him for weeks caused him to lose his match fitness and he has lost some speed.
Spurs are really going all out to be a top four challenger and Ramos, will get rid of a lot of the rubbish, as well as selling Berbatov for 30 million. so he can afford to lash out on Etoo, Modric etc. and if they settle in they could be a tougher hurdle tan previous years.
Its also time for us to clear out players who cant make the subs bench like Hoyte who cant replace Sagna, and is costing us one million plus a year, and we dont need 2 CB either Djouru or Senderos should go or be loaned out.
By: solgooner on May 8, 2008
at 9:43 am
Yay! It is good to hear some sensible comments about Senderos, he is quality and should be given a run of games. It is no coincidence that our poor run of form began when he was dropped for Toure’s return!
By: drew10 on May 8, 2008
at 9:49 am
Its nice to see some comments with perspective today.. all the previous talk of buying big in the summer will only ruin the work of which has been done up till now. A few signings we definately need in order to continue to challenge with the big boys. Flamini’s loss isnt too bad, he played excellent this season but i reckon there are plenty of better DM around with better technique that wenger knows of.
But DM aint really a problem.. we have Song and maybe Gilberto, if Gilberto leaves i say we should definately be looking for sum1. Diaby for me will be a great player, i say it time and time again, he can do some amazing things on the ball – PLAY HIM IN THE MIDDLE ARSENE!!… but my question over him is on his defensive side, maybe if he added that to his game like cesc did, he will be very suitable to becoming Cesc’s new partner.
Hleb we must keep, otherwise we are truely looking like we are falling apart wen 2 of our main MF players decide to just leave. Even if we do keep Hleb we need another creative midfield player for sure.
Up top we are fine, all our strikers will get better and better, we dont need 2 spend in that area. At the back we lack sumthin… if we sort that out it will help us improve for next season.
By: chris GOONA on May 8, 2008
at 10:02 am
drgooner – No slating but … Senderos to start as first choice CB? I think that idea is highly optimistic in terms of his ability on the field, but more importantly, his mental strength. He has been visibly disturbed by a number of mistakes – notably the Drogba beatings and the abject performance against Liverpool. That he was dropped immediately by Wnger who spoke publicly about poor Phillipe’s ‘intensity’ speaks volumes! Senderos appears to lack the mental strength to deal with the demands of the game at the very highest level – he may mature in time and overcome that weakness but for now he’s never first choice, and yes maybe he would look a better player in another side but it would be a West Ham and not a Chelsea … I think we’ll keep him and that he’ll develop but with other players coming through [Djourou - looks better than Senderos for me and Nordtveit - who looks world class already] I would not be suprised if he goes.
By: El Tommo on May 8, 2008
at 10:19 am
Dunne is nearly 29 so dont know if Wengers age policy would exclude him, if he did come in what happens to Tolo or Gallas?
By: solgooner on May 8, 2008
at 10:20 am
News of Hleb’s departure would be most welcome.
By: G10 on May 8, 2008
at 10:25 am
Almunia is not in the top 5 keepers in the country.Arsenal should have the best between the sticks.He has lt in the most goals out of the top 4 keepers.
By: Harry Harris on May 8, 2008
at 10:27 am
Harry (is that your name for today?)
What is the source of yours stats & what is the goals conceded / games played ratio?
A small point for you to consider:
How many goals were conceded due to defensive lapses and how many were directly attributable to Almunia? A goalkeeper is not at fault for goals conceded all of the time.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on May 8, 2008
at 10:31 am
I don’t think we will have any trouble replacing Flamini – there are numerous players out there in that mould. I’d like to suggest to Mr Wenger that we attempt to bring in the Lyon defensive midfielder Mathieu Bodmer who is a dynamo in midfield and probably a better player than Flamini and at 6ft 3in he would be ideal for that long ball problem Arsene has identified as a weakness in the team. Check him out if you get a chance [on Setanta] he’s made for the premiership. But I digress!
The worrying thing about Flamini’s departure is the club’s failure to tie him to a long-term contract ffs! If he was on a decent contract he could not have walked away and we would at least have been able to negotiate a decent fee for him. He might not have left because AC Milan would not have been able to offer him such a hike in wages … it’s just down to poor financial management and quite unforgivable. I suspect there is a link between this scenario and the departure of Keith Edelman … Wenger must be furious! Hopefully we can put this one right without too much bother and make sure it doesn’t happen again but it feels like we haven’t yet made good the management structure post-Dein.
By: El Tommo on May 8, 2008
at 10:31 am
in the Gooner there is an article that shows that lots of clubs who build new stadiums get relegated within a year or two. derby, sunderland, leicester, coventry, millwall and southampton all went down after trying to fund stadiums. we should be grateful we are still competing at the highest level.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Toure used in defensive midfield as an experiment but I honestly dont know how good he’d be. I said something similar about Eboue last year and regretted it ever since!
By: gazzap on May 8, 2008
at 10:34 am
Nice article… as always.
By the way, the Feed Blitz link does not seem to be working. You might want to try FeedBurner.
Regards,
Gooner Govindraj
By: Govindraj Umarji on May 8, 2008
at 10:40 am
El Tommo – agree with Senderos’ lack of mental strength and proness to errors. But most if these have come after a period of being out, when he is under pressure to show his worth. We have all seen him have good runs in the team only to be replaced when he is settling in. This is surely going to affect any players confidence.
If we had alot of money to spend, then of course buy a world class centre half. But we don’t and i would much rather see some good wide players being brought in, rather than using Diaby or Denilson on the flanks, and have eboue relegated to full back cover. No replacement for Flamini either – we have plenty of of centre midfielders that should be used in that area.
By: drgooner on May 8, 2008
at 10:49 am
It seems that there is a problem with Feedblitz’s site generally at the moment.
Thanks for letting me know.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on May 8, 2008
at 10:51 am
drgooner – You make a good point in defense of Senderos but he’s had a few runs in the side and yes at times he’s looked good but there’s always a sense that he’ll make a big mistake sooner or later. We have to accept that we have been vulnerable through the middle and for some mysterious reason the CB pairing of Gallas and Toure isn’t quite as strong as that of Ferdinand and Vidic or Terry and Carvalho. Tony Adams made the comment that “the best defense wins the title” and in some respects he’s correct. I think it’s a big step for Senderos to perform at that level. Don’t get me wrong here – I think he’s a good player but not good enough yet. If we give him a run next season it’ll be a big risk and I don’t believe Wenger will be prepared to take that risk next season because we know we must win something next time or risk losing other more important players. Senderos can only be deployed in one position and that limits him, whereas Gallas, Toure and Djourou can play in at least two positions … I would expect Arsene to bring in a dominant central defender who will challenge for a first team spot, along with a similar central midfielder and probably a wide player who can play either side and that will be all.
By: El Tommo on May 8, 2008
at 11:08 am
About the goalkeeper, Why hasnt anyone suggested JUSSI JASKALINEN, He would be perfect, Who by the way can be obtained for FREE!!!
By: naga gunner on May 8, 2008
at 11:45 am
if you asked me if we had to buy only one player this summer, for me it would be a centre back.
our attack scores enough goals to win a title – had we kept our leads we would be champions now. even Derby can score against us from set pieces or long balls. I know we scored 6 but how many games did Derby score 2 goals this season? the answer is 5, and 2 of those were against lower league opposition in the cups. We are one of the worst teams in the division at defending these kinds of goals.
By: gazzap on May 8, 2008
at 11:55 am
Great article, Yogi.
“Everyone wants to win but acknowledging those efforts is derided, seeking positives is deemed to be accepting second best. It is an attitude that misses the point. I do not know anyone who supports Arsenal that is ‘happy’ the club did not win anything.”
Couldn’t agree more. Coming third is hardly the summit of our ambition for the club, but it’s a huge improvement on the last two years and a good platform to go all the way next year. I remember reading a piece of research at the end of last season which concluded that teams almost never win the league from a position lower than third in the previous season, so I adjusted my expectations accordingly. But now that we have come third, I am REALLY hoping for the big one next season!
“It is easier to criticise destructively than to look for truths.”
Exactly. No-one should kid themselves that they are being brave, or “telling it like it is” by just constantly concentrating on the negative. The greatest teams the world has ever seen have had their weaknesses. You don’t need to be perfect to win the league.
*****
“I say get Senderos on the first team from day one and he will grow from there.”
Good shout, drgooner! He has his flaws, but he’s so committed.
I also agree with whoever said Hoyte should be sold – he’d do really well in a different sort of team where he could challenge for first choice RB and get more confident and hence improve.
And roll on the “Song for CDM” bandwagon! He takes games by the scruff of the neck and we could have done with that attitude in March.
By: FunGunner on May 8, 2008
at 11:59 am
My goalkeeper vote would be Marcus Hanneman(spelling?) – Reading would be down and out without him this season. Also a dominant character a la Jens – and affordable, particularly if Reading are relegated this weekend
By: rixy on May 8, 2008
at 12:05 pm
Gazzap, I like the sound of Toure as CDM as well, but was there not a question mark about his stamina at one point?
But he passes very well and he doesn’t panic when he gets into the final third. At the start of the season, if I recall, he would barrel his way to the edge of, the penalty box and win us free kicks. Mind you, the opposition would have been better off backing off him and letting him take a shot, wouldn’t they?!
By: FunGunner on May 8, 2008
at 12:05 pm
Lets stop all the talk of Flamini – he has gone now – he is history – forget him.
We Dont need a new GK – as i mentioned on my previous post.
We have an adequate GK, and buying another would just eat into our already limited budget.
CH has to be priority – a replacement at DM, and a creative player or winger.
I mentioned Arshavin from Zenit the other day – 26 now, a great player, scores goals – very creative – plenty of experience – and probably wouldnt cost more than 7-8Mil.
By: Matt on May 8, 2008
at 12:19 pm
agree completely Matt… lets stop talking about a GK.. Almunia has done nothing wrong this season, he deserves his position!
CB and a wide midfielder are the areas which are lacking.. I am not too confident that Senderos has what it taked to displace Gallas or Toure, maybe send senderos on loan, get his confidence up from playin week in week out. Bring in a more experienced accomplished CB that will stop some of these silly goals from long balls we are letting in.
Wide midfield would love to see Hleb stay and another player added who is naturally a wide player, becos Hleb has the ability to play anywhere along the midfield like we saw this season when many other players constantly were getting injured… Diaby, Rosicky, etc.. Even tho he doesnt score so many he is an asset to the team and opens up defenses for others on our team to score.
I generally believe that even if we dont add any1 to the squad and we kept Hleb, Gilberto and others who we think might get rid of we will still challenge if every1 stays injury free!!!… but we all now that is impossible and we will probably have the most injuries in the premiership once again (maybe its down to our style of play?) so we must be prepared…!!
Vela coming in helps, but some1 else in the wide midfield are is Top priority along with a CB… come on Arsene… give us fans a boost!
By: chris GOONA on May 8, 2008
at 1:16 pm
I think we’ll certainly be signing Hatem Ben Arfa, with Arsene looking for him to become the new Pires on the left. The central defender is a mystery. I do have a feeling though that we’ll sign at least one good English player this summer, probably from Manchester City.
By: crafty bison on May 8, 2008
at 1:24 pm
I hope your right Bison – and i hope my dream of Richards playing at CH for us next season comes true!
By: Matt on May 8, 2008
at 2:13 pm
I have to say that people who go on about Almunia not being world class and then put in suggestions for Arsene to buy keepers like Hahnemann and Jaskelaainan (sp?) baffle me no end.
Maybe you get bored by all the praise, Yogi, but I have to add mine today: you blog is a testament to sanity. One gets tired of all the hysteria on other blogs throwing insults at our players, manager, board, fans in every single post (and these are people who call themselves gooners). The word perspective is beyond these people. I’m not talking about gooners who are reasonable skeptics with criticisms of Arsene and the club. I’m talking about pure hysterics.
And then there are those idiots who waste bandwidth telling the manager to splash the cash and buy the likes of Buffon, Casillas, Kaka, Messi, Villa, [insert Big Name Boy Wonder Here] LIKE IT’S SO SIMPLE, as if Arsene can compete financially with Chelsea, Man United, Milan, etc.
On another depressing note…. I was thinking last night about how the Euros will affect our squad in the summer. A lot of us gooners are being rather complacent about that.
Unfortunately I then remembered that Arsenal under Wenger have never won the title in the season immediately after a world cup or Euro championship. I certainly hope he breaks that record next season.
He did, however, win the FA cup immediately after the 2002 wc.
Regarding the Webster ruling and Hleb’s invoking it…as Arsene says it’s not as simple as everyone thinks. Here are some pertinent facts about Webster from another blog:
“…any player under 28 who has completed his protected period of 3 years [2 years over 28] can terminate his contract IF he is prepared to pay compensation. Hleb has 2 years left of a 5 year contract and will have completed his protected period at the end of this season. However, to buy out his contract he first has to agree the amount of compensation under English Contract Law – think George Michael vs Sony and you then understand that it is not quite as straightforward as it sounds – especially so if the club he subsequently joins has induced him to breach his contract. There are substantial penalties for any club taking the player in that situation.”
Further: “…a player needs ‘just cause’ before invoking article 17, so I’m guessing a player cannot buy out his contract just for the heck of it.”
That said, Arsene is a manager who never forces a player to stay at the club if he doesn’t want to. If Hleb really wants to leave, I think Arsene will let him go.
By: NYmarcus on May 8, 2008
at 3:17 pm
why is there a smilie for the number 8 in my post?
By: NYmarcus on May 8, 2008
at 3:18 pm
NYMarcus
Thanks. As for the smiley, it was a combination of the digit 8 followed by a round bracket. If you use square brackets, it solves the problem.
Cheers
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on May 8, 2008
at 3:44 pm
Ref Webster
Article 17 also stipulates that there is a 15-day period during which notice can be given. This starts when the club has officially played its last match for a season. For Arsenal this is Sunday so if it is to be invoked, notice period is 12th – 26th inclusive.
As for just cause, ‘just for the hell of it’ is acceptable. The crucial thing about Webster was that the CAS deemed FIFA’s financial penalties for buying out the contract too punitive. Before it could have been a relatively arbitrary figure, now it is based on salary.
I’ll read the CAS judgement tonight to see if it changed anything else but I do not believe that is the case.
Arsene was hinting at as well, the G14 having a gentlemen’s agreement not to induce players to assert their rights under Article 17. I suspect that it will still be the case with Internazionale paying Arsenal a fee if they are actually interested in the player.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on May 8, 2008
at 3:51 pm
Great post as usual YW, I wish there was other words of praise, I feel so ridiculously redundant saying it almost every day
But it is well deserved.
I have to say the FA is taking great strides in becoming the joke of the world. What the hell English language has to do with football? Maybe next, the FA will be testing foreign players on their knowledge of English muffins!
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I agree with Yogi’s and the sensible voices on Almunia, although his not the world number 1 keeper, he has done well in his first season and I assume he can only get better if the defense line in front of him is getting better at defending.
I also agree that Senderos’ problem is more of a mental one rather than technical one. I think he gets affected a lot by the crowds and what the media & “fans” say about him. He needs to put in a good performance in Euro 08 first and then we will see.
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As far as Wenger is concerned, I think people are just jealous of his success and his ability to work on a very tight budget, yet still producing the best football ever played and also producing some of the best players in the world. It is much easier to run a company with huge and unlimited resources, the difficult thing is what Arsene does, not Fergie or Mouninho. Manc or Chelski can win the title yet people still say that Arsenal plays the most beautiful football. The title is presented to the winner in one game, the beautiful football is presented 38 games +
I may be upset we didn’t win anything, but I’m sure very happy watching my team play the way nobody else does.
G4E
By: Gunner4Ever on May 8, 2008
at 4:37 pm
I will support new British government rules to restrict work permits to foreign players who can speak English only.
This new policy wll curtail our unquenchable thirst for foreign young players, who come in, get all the development and unsettle Arsenal with constant threats to leave.
We should start buying English to help win titles. Foreign first XI can’t in anyway win us any trophy. Arsenal statistics are they for anyone who disagrees with me.
The new players Arsene has in mind should all be English. Bring in Barry and Richards; finito.
By: Howard on May 8, 2008
at 5:12 pm
gentlemen, got to say i am anew poster but been reading this blog from the beginning of the season. I enjoy the objctive and realistic views of the posters and would like to commend you all.
For all the talk and bad press we get, you gotta see the envy in the press because of the uniqeness of the club. Financially we play our own game albeit all the talk of not spending big. Bad luck and unfortunate lack of form as well a bit of inexperience may have halted our journey to glory but any drastic moves can destabilise what arsene has built and by God it can only get better.
My only concern is that i know the players we have are good enuff except for Hoyte who i find really mediocre. Big Phil will come good this season and i agree with the most of you that he needs to start right from the beginning to gain confidence.
Almunia on the other hand to be honest just does not do it for me. He has no presence whatsoever and you could never trust him to win you game with a last ditch or damn near impossible save like we have seen for years with first David Seaman and Mad Jens. As for Jens we could blame for all his indescretions but he had apresence that put fear in strikers just like Peter Schmichel. Almunia is a s dosile as they come and for me lets in simple goals which is just not good enough. Its very evident that out of the top 4 teams we have the weakest keeper and tha worries me. That position can not be filled by someone who is alright, you need an exceptional individual who as i said can win you a game.
sorry , i seem to have drifted from the point i am trying to make. I am of the opinion that we have a team of talented individuals, i just think a few things need attention.
1. Its not rocket science that our defence needs a dedicated coach to help positional play. I can not count the number of times that i have seen Gallas or Toure scrambling top recover because of bad positioning. Clichy & Sagna are exceptional with this, its just our centre back pairing which needs real work. Even with the long ball situation, both of them are not comfortable heading the ball away first time they always look troubled. As for Gallas he has this annoying tendency when passed the ball to let the ball run then run after it and always gets himself in trouble doing that. You would think he would have more know-how than that.
2. The lack of killer instinct this season only really became progressive as the season wore on. The attitude of the team has to be to take their chances as though there will be no more because we almost always ended up having difficulties closing a game we were in control of because of not being ruthless enough. In the past, arsenal were a team to score 3 or 4 early goals and coast the rest of the game because we were ruthless. Now the way we waste chances is enough to give me a number of heart defects.
In all, I am super confident Arsene will bring players we surely dont know, who will fit into the team and we are off again. and this season we will not have as much bad luck as well as injuries and we are surely going to win the league.
ARSENE KNOWS
UP THE ARSE !!
Damn, I love this club.
By: Planx on May 8, 2008
at 5:18 pm
14 other teams with majority English players don’t win trophies for 100’s of years. I wonder why that is?
And what is the language has to do with football? Using the language barrier as means to curb thirst for foreigners, borders on being racist. What’s next? If the color of your skin doesn’t match, you are disqualified?
I may understand limiting the number of players “quota” but language? How stupid can the FA get?
By: Gunner4Ever on May 8, 2008
at 5:22 pm
So according to the British government’s new rules (and according to people like Howard who agree with them), the following players would never have been allowed into the PL:
Cristiano Ronaldo
Eric Cantona
Gilberto Silva
Roque Santa Cruz
Fernando Torres
Robert Pires
Carlos Tevez
Mikel Arteta
Nemanja Vidic
And several others….
All those players spoke little to no English when they first arrived in England. Some of them still speak very limited English. I can’t remember if Zola spoke English when he first came to England either. What about Vieira and Henry? What about Cesc? I know Denilson has English classes but by his own admission he’s still struggling with the language, he speaks very little of it.
The clubs wanting to buy the above players would’ve had to wait until they mastered English. Do you have any idea how long it takes to master a foreign language?
This is an absolutely ridiculous rule.
By: NYmarcus on May 8, 2008
at 5:44 pm
I`m going against most posts today & saying Senderos should go.
He`s a yard short of pace & can`t get away with it in our side. He would do well at a more defensive side in my opinion.
Much as I admire his attitude he`s very much a confidence player & I`d rather he rebuilds it elsewhere. I believe Djourou is the better player.
By: Paulie Walnuts on May 8, 2008
at 5:45 pm
Great post as ususal YW and sane well balanced views from all you gooner bloggers. Arsenes bravery in sticking with his philosophy of creating a gr8 team by nurturing them and getting them next to nothing must be commended rather than derided. He really doesnt get all the credit he desreves. RVP puts it quite nicely buy saying that we did win one trophy and that was “respect” through the football we want to play. Save for running out of steam at the crucial moments and some very dodgy refereeing decisions, we would be right up there. Surely if after Man U n Chelski spent on average £60million each this year to strengthen their squad the gap in points should be closer to 20 points but no its 4points!
Love it or hate Ive seen all Arsenals games from prem to Reserves and I tell you we will be laughing for years. Thats why all these teams around us have to keep spending an arm and a leg. I think Arsene will stay faithull to his mantra and get 1 or 2 new relative unknowns. Sagna and Eduardo proves you dont have to pay £30million. I agree with other bloggers that with more play time other players will have just as phenomenal a season as flamster and would be just as big as a new signing . So with a glut of midfielders -Song, Diaby,Gilberto, Denilson, Cesc – I doubt Flam will be replaced. Traore also looks lyk he could burst onto the premiership next season on the left.
By: Gooner4Life on May 8, 2008
at 5:50 pm
On the official site today, Arsene explains he prefers evolution to revolution in building a team. However, he does say he will be bringing new players in:
“I will try to buy, maybe in the defensive area and one on the creative side of the game as well because we had some players, important players, who were out this year,” said Wenger. “We want as well to bring new talent in on the creative side of our game.
“When there is a problem in England, people say ‘you have to buy’. But you have to consider as well the development of your players internally.
“It isn’t just down to money because we have bought players for nothing and they became world stars. It is as well down to the quality of the scouting, the quality of the work in training and the quality of the development in the players.
“I believe much more in that, working in an intelligent way to make a player improve.
“If we lose, people leave the game and say ‘Wenger you must buy a centre forward’ if we haven’t scored, or they want a central defender if someone has made a mistake. But you have to accept that the team can be developed.
“This team made 68 points last year and this year 83. That is 15 points difference and in between we lost Thierry Henry and we lost many, many important players during the season. So you cannot say the team has not developed. Now the target for next season must be to make 90 or 92 points.”
Before any of those points are up for grabs, Wenger has a busy summer planned. “How will I spend my summer? On the phone!” he laughed. “On the phone and on the football pitch.
“We are very busy at the moment with [Director] Ken [Friar], he knows that the holidays this year will be shorter than ever. I hope to find a few days but it will be very short.”
http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?thisNav=News&article=491248&lid=NewsHeadline&Title=Wenger+-+Why+I+want+evolution,+not+revolution
BTW, I’m not so certain as Arsene that we’ll get the 3 points at Sunderland. They have a very vocal, supportive fanbase, the game is sold out and they gave us a real challenge at the Emirates. Their stadium has a much louder “12th man” than the overhyped Anfield. Skysports reported on a survey of PL grounds decibel levels and the Stadium of Light came in first. I don’t think it’s going to be an easy game for us.
By: NYmarcus on May 8, 2008
at 5:51 pm
Randall and Gibbs are included for Sunderland, they are English aren’t they?
Oh I forgot, they’re not 30 million pounds English.
By: Gunner4Ever on May 8, 2008
at 6:30 pm
NY Marcus,
Most of the the players you mention are EC nationals & would not need a work permit.
Even so a stupid rule. As YW says most Africans speak better English than the majority of English players & a lot of pundits, come to that.
Good post, Planx, but I cannot agree with you about Almunia.
Whilst he may not make the last ditch saves like those you mention, he doesn’t throw them in either. There have hardly been any goals that have been directly down to him.
I think the situation is that he is a 2nd tier GK, with probably only Casilas, Cech & Buffon in a very small group above that.
Would anyone prefer Reina, as our keeper? No, Almunia is on a par with the likes of Van de Sar, Jaskelinen & Given, all of whom can be brilliant but also throw a fair few in.
He is like Lukic, quite adequate, but if a Seaman comes along & you can afford him, grab him.
GK is not a priority if we need the cash elsewhere.
With regard to Hoyte, he is in a situation where he needs a run of games, which gives the confidence to look an entirely different player. With this quota thing on the horizon, I would keep him if he wants to stay. I believe he has an injury that has kept him out in these run in games.
It would be naive to think we don’t have defensive coaching. Pat Rice & Steve Bould, who are both at the club, were both excellent defenders.
By: Flint McCullough on May 8, 2008
at 7:22 pm
Flint, oops, you’re right, I forgot about the EC membership exemption! That’s something a lot of us over here on this side of the Atlantic too often forget.
By: NYmarcus on May 8, 2008
at 7:45 pm
It would be funny, if other countires would restrict English men from working in their countries before they learn Japanese, Chinese…etc.
By: Gunner4Ever on May 8, 2008
at 7:59 pm
G4E
You can say what you like but if we continue this policy of bringing in any foreigner at all cost then we won’t make it.
Foreign players like Senderos, Eboue, Djourou are no better than a lot of local players in the championship and League 1.
We should import good foreign players to team up with brought-in good English players to win trophies for us as we used to do years ago.
That’s what Arsenal needs now. A combination of good English and foreign players. Now we have first XI foreign players, but 40% of those are worse than their so called unskilled English counterparts.
By: Howard on May 8, 2008
at 8:12 pm
Howard, your posts get further from reality almost daily. THe reason those players are in the Championship and League 1 is that is their level. If they were better the top clubs would sign them.
By: Steve on May 8, 2008
at 8:44 pm
Where are all those TOP English players? The majority of them are the mediocre to average ones. Until we develop the likes of Theo, Gibbs, and Lansbury in 2 – 4 years the policy will remain the same.
What’s the point of replacing what you call foreign mediocre with local mediocre? At least the foreign ones are cheaper.
And as YW said, they speak better English
By: Gunner4Ever on May 8, 2008
at 8:49 pm
I dont beleive it would be a good idea to buy spanish players in general. thats because la liga is strong and eventually (or quite soon) they always want to go back and play in spain. Albiol would not be the centre back I would buy.
By: gazzap on May 8, 2008
at 8:56 pm
NYmarcus, in the original interview he actually said 83 points “I hope”. Sunderland did give us a run for our money at Emirates after we switched off, so it will not be easy especially as we will be without most of the first team. But maybe the fringe players will be motivated to earn a regular starting spot and will put in the necessary performance to get us the 3 points.
Denilson may be struggling still with mastering the English language, but he surely loves Arsenal. I listened to his interview on ATVO earlier in which he admitted to smashing up his TV with frustration when Arsenal crashed out of the CL against Liverpool because he was so angry that we lost! I’m really hoping he will be able to shake off his injury problems next season because I believe he can offer us all that Flamini offered defensively, but with the added bonus of more creativity going forward as well.
P.S. for Gazzap, you’ll be pleased to note that Wenger does see Diaby as having a future in the centre of midfield as he mentioned in his Q&A. Diaby’s stints on the left wing have been about developing his all round game this season.
By: Passenal on May 8, 2008
at 10:06 pm
Some clubs are just funny! Frank Rijkaard wins 2 Liga titles, and a Champions League title in 4 years and still gets the sack.
Glad we are not run by some idiot.
By: Gunner4Ever on May 8, 2008
at 11:01 pm
YW – you deserve all the praise you receive for a fine blog. Keep up the good work.
By: paulmarinershair on May 8, 2008
at 11:02 pm
This is the crap that some Arsenal fans read and believe.
“Adebayor demands an £80,000-a-week deal from Arsenal and threatens to quit if he doesn’t get it ”
“Agent: ‘No way back’ for Hleb”
Sh!te stories from a sh!te newspaper “The Mail”.
Thank goodness for sensible blogs like this, and most of the posters.
By: Steve on May 8, 2008
at 11:06 pm
G4E:
I see you read that stupid nonsense about Hleb and Ade. It is just a crap story from the usual suspects in the media.
By: Steve on May 8, 2008
at 11:15 pm
Steve, it looks like Hleb is gone too. All newspapers are reporting the same. I would say f*ck Hleb too. We tried to make something out of him but he is doesn’t have the resolve. I think he is more of a Reyes type of player.
By: Gunner4Ever on May 8, 2008
at 11:15 pm
I haven’t said anything about Ade Steve? But Hleb news seems to be true, I still have doubt until Arsenal. com say something, but when all newspapers are reporting the same, then it might be true.
By: Gunner4Ever on May 8, 2008
at 11:17 pm
It all stems from Hleb’s agent. After the Milan ice cream crap I think it best Hleb left but Arsene wants to keep the team together.
Having said that if Arsene was overly worried about Hleb why did he not extend his contract at the end of last season.
By: Steve on May 8, 2008
at 11:31 pm
That is true Steve, maybe he doesn’t rate Hleb as %100 must keep player. I think he probably just wanted to keep him one more year, but then he would be free to leave in the year after for nothing? It’s kind of weird stuff going on here. I’m getting confused myself
By: Gunner4Ever on May 8, 2008
at 11:40 pm
Truth be known I think Hleb and Flamimi out performed Wenger’s expectations of them.
After the previous seasons from both players, us as fans were not happy with them, so perhaps Wenger could not forsee the improvement that they produced.
By: Steve on May 9, 2008
at 12:01 am
My daughter is studying journalism at the moment. Unfortunately she has been bought up to tell the truth so I cannot see her making it.
By: Steve on May 9, 2008
at 12:10 am
Hello Yogi!
It’s no big deal. I had selfish motives when I informed you about the Feedblitz link not working. I want to get your articles by email!
Regards,
Gooner Govindraj
By: Govindraj Umarji on May 9, 2008
at 3:10 am
Thing is though is its not losing Hleb (or Flam) that matters. Because both are, IMO, replacable. Hleb is the wrong player for the kind of style Wenger wants to play – he’s a worse player than Pires and Ljunberg. Or Overmars. And he’s nowhere near Dennis Bergkamp if he’s a withdrawn forward. And Flamini plays perhaps one the positions that is easier to find a good replacement and is probably too small to play in a midfield alongside other players of his physique (Fab, Hleb, Rosicky – more size and steel is needed, IMO).
Rather, its the principle and what it suggests about what is going on internally at the club. Why the fuck are important first team players leaving so readily, not even before the end of the season? What is wrong inside the club? Is it simply about money? If it is, the board needs to change some things. Really, is Arsenal becoming a feeder club, nothing more? Is there something else we don’t know about? Personality conflicts?
Is it because Hleb and Flam don’t want to play in England because they don’t like the style of play? (which I suspect is a significant factor here – they’d both rather play and live in Italy) If so, maybe Arsene needs to think a bit more about the types of players he brings in, there background. And I don’t blame Arsene – I think the board/financial situation is tying his hands. But honestly, how can a club as big as Arsenal, selling out its stadium (most expensive seats in the prem – not the Bridge, not OT, not Anfield, not WHL, the fucking Emirates) that draws 60,000 (less only the OT, with better crowds than any team in Italy) have such serious trouble keeping its players. Some serious answers are needed.
That is fucking ridiculous for what was one of the best 5 or 6 teams in Europe this season. I’m sorry, but some more transparency is needed as to what exactly is going on at the club right now.
By: Ben P on May 9, 2008
at 6:00 am
according to gunnerblog:
We’ll start with the news that Aleksandr Hleb will seemingly be on his way within the next fortnight. Allow his agent to explain:
“Alex is preparing to make one of the most important moves of his life.
He is leaving even though Arsenal want to offer him a new long-term contract.
Only time will tell if it is the right decision but there’s no way back now. Everything will be settled in the next two weeks.”
So Hleb is gone too. But If we get Kranjcar in place of him… i wouldnt mind much.
The case of Almunia is tough one… For a goalie not committing any mistakes doesnt make any impression.. what makes is some really good saves…. and Almunia this season did that on a no. of occassions…. notably keane penalty save… but he was beaten more than once at his near post…and a few mistakes too. Consistency is what we require… and saves like hart’s against pool. This is where i feel fabianski is a much better goalie… not huge… but similar in stature to joe hart who is fab btw.
And abt sunderland hope arsene continues with song…it will be very interesting to see how he defends against a striker who is both strong aerialy and pacy (jones)… and hoping to see few more youngsters… randall and lansbury… but dont think wenger will add to the hype surrounding wilshere by giving him a start.
By: gunner4life on May 9, 2008
at 6:12 am
Great ! ……… Alex Hleb’s agent has come out and told the media that Alex is leaving this summer.
He will buy out the remaining two years of his contract and will be off to Inter Milan if the reports are true.
Thats a real kick in the teeth for a player Arsene bought who nobody had heard of and turned into the player he is today.
When will these players learn that the grass is not always greener.
I feel the target of two new players into the squad might well have to increase this summer.
By: veteran on May 9, 2008
at 6:58 am
YOGI WHAT ABOUT ADEBAYOR ACCORDING TO HIS AGENT HE WANTS 8OK A WEEK, WHEN I MENTIONED HIS EGO AND THAT HE WOULD WANT MASSIVE WAGES YOU SAID , HE SHOULD GET WHAT HE DESRVES, WELL 8OK IS RIDICULOUS
By: solgooner on May 9, 2008
at 7:07 am
thts all b.u.l.l.s.h.i.t if u ask me
a dein spill over on the mail.
fatty c.unty
By: gunner4life on May 9, 2008
at 7:44 am
Sol
Got to agree with Arseblogger on this one. Smells of something that you don’t want to tread in especially after the comments the player made, reported in today’s post (Friday 9th May). Believe it if you want to re-inforce your own prejudice against the player and torture yourself on the media invective. Otherwise ignore it.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on May 9, 2008
at 7:50 am