Posted by: Yogi's Warrior | May 1, 2008

Talking ‘Bout My Generation

Cesc Fabregas spoke after the victory at Pride Park on Monday of Arsenal’s season,

We can see the games against Birmingham City at home [1-1], Birmingham away [2-2] and Aston Villa at home [1-1] where we can regret that we didn’t get more points. If we could have had these points that normally if you want to win the title you have to get, then we would be at the top

Add to this Wigan, Middlesbrough [home and away], Newcastle and a record of six points out of eighteen against the other teams in the top four and you can take your pick as to what matches caused the title to be cast aside when a good position to seal it was in hand. The pain that this has caused still rumbles on with fingers being pointed around at various players in such a scattergun approach it is little surprise that there appears to be any number of victims to this pointless witch-hunt.

Fabregas is not blind to the strengths and the weaknesses of the squad,

I don’t think that we can allow teams to score these kinds of goals when we are having the ball 90 per cent of the game. We know that we can score when we push forward, but we still need to improve defensively…If we had defended well as a team, they would not have scored any…We can learn from it. Definitely. Because we are young, because we want to play, because we are hungry for titles. We will improve for next season. In fact, I would say that it has already started for us. In our last two games we know that we have started a new season. For us, it is now

Aside from the obvious of winning titles, there is not much more Arsenal’s own Bruce Forsyth can say. He has been pivotal to the team’s improvement this season and will no doubt be as important next year. Concerns about what would happen if he were to be injured or unavailable for long periods miss one crucial point. Fabregas is the sort of player that you cannot directly replace, the dynamic of the team has to change in his absence, the style becomes different because no two players have the same vision and that is one of Arsene’s biggest challenges, preparing for injury meltdown – not just to the Spaniard - again.

Much has been lost in recent seasons through a lack of depth in certain positions – look at the scoring charts last time around and this to see what happens when a forward line gets decimated – and that needs to be rectified but the squad has sufficient quality that once a replacement for Flamini is found, adding to the numbers can take place.

On that subject, Gael Clichy has added fuel to the fire by suggesting that Flamini is expected to leave and that Lassana Diarra was too eager to jump ship,

From my point of view it’s always good to have a little bit of patience. I have been second choice left back behind Ashley Cole and I knew it was difficult for me to play if he was there. You have to believe in your own qualities and wait for your time. If Mathieu wants to leave it’s up to him and we wish him good luck if we win. But we hope he will stay

The clubs wage structure is under severe pressure when players are targeted to become ‘high earners’ in foreign fields. In every walk of life, there are higher earners for the same job. Should the club look to change their internal finances is a tough choice. They are financially sound without needing a backer to fund ordinary activities but it does put them at a disadvantage in a minority of cases.
The question that knee-jerk reactors need to ask themselves is whether or not they want the club to be beholden to one man with a risk of meltdown in the future when the backers money runs out or whether immediate glory is all and to hell with the consequences? Personally I will take the former and if that means that serious title challenges have to put up with cyclical rebuilding, then so be it.

Given that Arsene’s rebuilding of this squad should end in the summer, have the past three seasons been so bad? Disappointing in that there is no silverware, yes because we all want Arsenal to win the title but to counter that, the club are in a better long term position than they were three years ago and one might hasten to add, than their rivals who have to buy each summer to maintain their position rather than organic growth.

The spending is now going to be more sharply in focus with the top two in the Champions League final and yes, it is an envious position. It does not take rocket science to work out that the coming months are going to be more intense in terms of ‘Fantasy Football’ signings to keep up with the Joneses. The reality is that if Arsene gets the signings right this summer, there is no reason why the squad cannot match their peers in every department.

The Boardroom is expected to take on a different dynamic with Keith Edelman reportedly jumping ship in a move that will give the media their chance to enhance their club in crisis – all the players want to leave now it’s the board’ type stuff. Edelman has done well in a difficult period of the clubs history with the rebuilding on and off the pitch.

Emmanuel Adebayor is the latest player to be linked with a move to Italy after media outlets reported that his agent had met with representatives of AC Milan’s board. No doubt the comment that he will be sitting down with Arsenal to discuss the future in the summer will be seized upon by Adebayor’s detractors as a sign of him getting too big for his boots, conveniently forgetting the fact that they – if employed – probably sit down and have an annual appraisal with their bosses, looking to get due reward for their own efforts in the past twelve months, wanting to know what plans are, etc. Oh, and as usual, the Mr20%’s talk out of their Arsenal’s.

‘til Tomorrow.

Responses

Morning, Yogi’s Warrior. Nice blog again.

About Adebayor, his agent has flatly denied any meeting or contact with the Italian club’s representatives and said that Adebayor is completely committed to Arsenal. However he did also say that he wanted to sit down and talk to Arsenal - about an increase in Manu’s wages, presumably! I’m afraid I don’t have the link because it was a couple of days ago, but assuming the agent is telling the truth, that’s one bit of good news, isn’t it.

Well, they always come from abroad, get better and seek to blackmail Arsenal.

Ade scored 4 goals in his first season, 12 in the second and has scored 30 this time round, colud score more.

As usual with foreign buys, Ade’s agent is threatening, more money right? Edu, became big and left. Flamini, shining out of the blue, going and perhaps Hleb unknown quantity now known, boasting.

Vela will come in, develop and will eventually end up in Spain or somewhere. Diaby, warning recently and so forth.

That is foreign recruitment policy result for you. Is it coincidental that, top 4 with local presence do better in the CL where you need real fighting spirit? MANU/CHAVSKI in the finals, the teams with more local presence?

The Top 4 teams rarely lose their English players but often lose their foreign buys.

Best deal, buy matured foreign players and develop local players. If you buy young foreign players, they leave when they develop, its fact.

Ade will stay but Flam is gone. reports in Italy suggest he has decided on Milan. the lack of news from Arsenal is deafening - from my point of view Flam is 100% gone and should not be involved in either of the last 2 games. I would like to see Den given both games. I think he has the potential to be a good player for us. he had a quiet season but I think he is better than the season he has just had. Injuries played a big part in that.

Hleb looks 70% gone and it looks like his last meaningful act was a slap on Murty - apt.

However despite us losing two-thirds of our key midfield players, I still feel our key problem is at centre back. If Toure and Gallas are the main pairing next season, Arsenal will not win a trophy. Expect no better than third in the league again.
If you put TA (from 97) into the team this season, Arsenal would have won the title by March.

this is a hard one for wenger to manage. If he drops either Toure or Gallas, how can they be happy on the bench? they cant. Maybe Gallas plus a new player is the way forward with Toure playing somewhere else in the team. Not sure where because I am not convinced by him at RB. Maybe DM is a possibility?? Is he technically good enough for that role? I dont know.
Maybe wenger could sell Gallas and make Toure captain. Whatever, but I am sure a new dominating centre back is required.

Totally agree Howard. I would buy Bullard in the summer. he would not cost a great deal. very good technically speaking for an Englishman and full of character and grit. He wont leave when we dont win a trophy.
Failing that Mark Noble would be a good Flam replacement.
SWP would be a good Hleb replacement.

http://www.football.co.uk/arsenal/adebayor_not_
seeking_exit_264046.shtml
Fungunner I think that is the article you are talking about.
I am really looking forward to next year, I honestly believe that we are in an even better position than last year, which surpassed anything the most ardent of fans could ask for. Silverware lovely but what football this club has displayed this season. (I have given up trying to comment about the Doom Mongers, hey Frankie Howard would have been pleased with you lot; thought is Howard his son?)
Flam leaving, (oh well bye bye) we have ample reserves, doubt if he will be missed that much. Now if Ces left that would be a worry. Toure had a fairly poor year, considering his previous seasons and I’m sure it will be Toure of old next season. Eboue, this young man will be one of top players next season mark my words. Notice over the latter part of the season since he returned from the ACN he has been a changed player. The clowns who mock him now will be singing o a different tune next season. The only position that worries me is the GK. Elsewhere we have IMO no worries, and I mean none. Apart from a lousy run of injuries we would have been in the running for the CL and the EPL, of that I am certain. We have the best backs of any in the EPL midfield containing the best player in the EPL and a forward line that is star studded with young and brilliant players. Doom Mongers watch and weep this Arsenal is going to knock your Bloody socks off next year.

Fair point made about English players staying longer however at Arsenal for every Anelka there’s an Henry, Petit- a Vieira etc. Arsenal provides a great environment to play football and as long as we pay close to the going rate, players will be happy to stay. In Flamini’s case it may be that with an Italian Dad his plan was always to go and play in Italy. We cannot complain- apart from the service he has given us, we took him from Marseilles for effectively peanuts. The bottom line is Wenger has not rated him highly enough to pay the sort wages he’s going to get on the back of a Bosman.

As for Adebayor, I must admit I have had my doubts about the finesse of his finishing and his general awareness (e.g. most off sides in CL) BUT and that’s a big but, he appears to be improving and if it turns out next season see’s an improvement I think those fans who are unsure about him will be few and far between. Mind you there’s still part me that would accept £25 million for him and go out and get Benzama or whoever!

Bob N7 what a strange statement if Ade improves next year, what 36 goals 40 goals, the man has scored 30 this year what more do you want? I give up I really do. Gazz love your points of view, but we need to buy to better the third position? How far were we from Manure last season in points? Note we beat them at home and away, but for a penalty and a very dubious free kick we would have done the same this season. I thought we out played all the top four teams of the EPL; sorry must have been watching some other games. Someone said at the beginning of this season I was wearing rose coloured glasses, hey two games to go and we still have an outside chance of winning the EPL. Gees you guys really want the moon, hold on the Boss is getting it for you.

Old Timer, do you judge a player purely on statistics? When I mentioned improvement I was referring to, for example taking a crucial chance against Liverpool in CL 2nd leg. I am not about to start slagging him off. I’ve watched every home game live and pretty much every away game on the TV- during those matches I have been frustrated with his decision making and at times his finishing. That is not say he hasn’t overall put in a helluva lot of great performances BUT (and maybe I’m being harsh) he still has the capacity to infuriate. Oh little statistic Old Timer - around 25% of his league goals have been against Derby!
My point is, he can score FEWER goals next year and still be an improved player- get it Old Timer?

Sorry Bob N7 where did I say slagging off? How many goals did the wondrous players from other teams score against Derby? Thank you for calling me little great , (I was worried about my weight but your complement really warms my heart; my height has never been a problem). Bit confused how many games where Ade has been in the side have we lost?? I think I would want him to score the same amount of goals and believe it or not I would be really happy. I will have a word with the boss about the team missing all those vital goals, you clown of course if all the goals had been taken we would have won everything that is what football is about the thrill of the game. Notice Richard Cranium no slagging from me.

Come on Howard the top 4 teams dont lose their top players bcoz they are all keeping them all sweet paying them 100k plus a week.Dont think for a minute that Frank Lampard (overrated) and John Terry arent demanding talks every day to hoik up their wages. Id be sweating blood, sweat and tears on their wages.

And to say Arsenal have no fighting spirit is absurd. We have been setting the standard all season getting results in places where we would have lost, grinding out results with a smaller squad an budget. We lost the game at Liverpool due to our inexperience, dodgy defending and poor refereeing and rotten luck. We played Lpool, Man U n Chelski off the park for most of the games and scored in each game but didnt have the experience to hold onto the game otherwise the guys never stoped wanting to win those games.

Watchin Barca at Man U was like watching Arsenal last season weaving beatiful patterns but no end product.This season we have been givng it back to all those teams that wanted to kick us off the pitch.

Any way if English players had so much grit wouldnt we have won the world cup and be the best team in Europe playing in the European Cup. These same English palyers get overhyped because of the massive wages they can command and think they r the best players on earth but fail to show any grit on the pitch thinking they are better than anyone coz they earn so much. Look what happenend against Croatia, isreal and all those European minnows whose names we can never remember

And gazzap we keep harping on about TA. Gallas and Toure are a centre back pairing that any team would kill for. So they have been less effective towars the end of this season but that doesnt mean we have to buy another centre back does it. Rooney has been poor this season but is he going to be replaced nxt season.Football has changed a lot since the days of TA. In those days it was about Man U and Arsenal now all the top 4 teams are even stronger with the rest of the chasing 8 teams waiting in the wings.

Its a shame about the flamster a Hleb but if they want to go good luck to them. There will always be life after the two of them. There are players chomping at the bit to play for this club. And you can be sure someone else we never expected will take up the mantle.I am not losing sleep over them. I would be more worried about Cesc but he has shown his commitment for the club by signing for 8 years.

Old Timer, not sure why you’re getting on my case.

1. I didn’t refer to YOU as little but a statistic.
2. I didn’t say anything about ‘you and slagging off’- I was just trying to make it clear that I didn’t want to be too negative about Adebayor

You appear to be extremely defensive about both Adebayor and your good self. Fair enough but I was simply sharing my thoughts and if you don’t accept my points of view no problem.

Come on you Reds!

howard, just like to point out that Edu didnt just leave because he got good but rather the due to the board taking the piss with his contract & letting it run down.
In the penultimate year of his contract he was saying in every interview how he wants to stay..he wants a new contract..he loves the club..but did the board give a shit..no!
Would they let players like henry, toure etc’s contract’s dwindle till the last year!! this is the club saying..we dont give a shit about u! and this policy has lost us edu…(who btw was a big big blow as he was so much improved! everyone talks about vieira leaving that summer but wenger was ready for vieira leaving! if edu stayed he wouldve held down a cm position & we wouldnt have relied on cesc to clock up 40 games as a 17 year old!)
& now its lost us flamini..if anyone knows of the board starting talks/offering a contract to flamini last season than please say so…otherwise my points made…& talking about foreigners always leaving is a bit strange because our players recently have all been 95% foreign! so of course the ones that leave are gonna be foreign….mind u look how great the englishmen were in the end..cashley! campbell! bentley! jeffers! just bizzare..to me a players a player whether from hackney or midway!

Old Timer LOL. The Boss is getting the moon eh? Am holding on.

Its actually not wrong to say that Ade will improve next season. he will yopu know. He has not finished learning so I dont think who made that comment meant any harm. There is actually nothing wrong in him scoring 40 goals is there?

I for one am glad AW is stubborn enough not to listen to all the doom sayers and continues to build up his team to his own taste.

Am slightly worried about Keiths resignation. Hope it has nothing to do with red and white

“Gallas and Toure are a centre back pairing that any team would kill for.”
I dont think man u, Liverpool or chelsea would kill for them to be fair.
they are both excellent players but they both need to be next to a physically more dominant type defender.
Arsenal play all this great football and score lots of wonderful goals then go and let ourselves down by letting in stupid goals under very little pressure. if we could hold a lead for a while we would have won 2 trophies this season.
Going forward we dont have a problem and never had under wenger but at the back we are currently not good enough for the title. Improve at the back and we wont just be as good as Man u or chelsea (which is virtually where we are now), but we will be better and thats what we need if we want to win it.

Mo

Cashley’s case is an exceptional one. Well, Sol left Spurs for us because of trophies and not for the love of Arsenal, he was a Spur. Sol left after achieving his ambition. Bentley, Jeffers were not good enough and couldn’t get into the first XI regularly so they left.

You’re misunderstanding me. We don’t have to bring in 14,15,16,17,18 year old boys to develop them when we have them plenty here, right? The records show that they’re more inclined to leave after getting to the top than local boys.

Arsenal faces rumours of players leaving every season because of the comstitution of the playing body; all foreign so the commitment is not as high as a local player getting a chance to be a regular. The chance that Diaby will leave if he manage to get to the top playing week in week out is more than Theo Walcott; its a fact.

If Ade improves in a way so as to not score few more goals in already won matches…. and instead score as many goals in important situations… even if that means decrease in his total tally he would have improved wont he??

Now another board member is gone… hmm… its a situation where no one wants to be in really… u run a club like an institution where as others run it like a business… he was instrumental in move to emirates… he has done all the hard work.. and he knows the club cant offer him much more than he is presently getting.. and if someone offers something like twice as much he is getting right now… there is not much of a choice to make really…. Arsene is following his philosophy and not any other’s… why should others follow his philosophy?

Ditto with the players… I doubt cesc will stay after next season if we dont win anything.. he has age on his side…. if he wud have been 24 he would have moved on just like flamini… getting payed less and not winning anything is not really something that anyone would like.

If we all were payed for supporting our clubs…. how many of us would still support Arsenal ?(assuming the clubs’ financial position reflect the pay.) Its not a small deal.

gazzap

How do you know Ade wont leave have you asked him? We heard the same with Vieira and Henry and they both left.If AC come along and offer Ade a huge pay rise do you honestly think he would turn it down.The days of players just playing for the club have long gone its all about wonga

gazzap

The CB, stupid. MANU were outplayed by BARCA but their defence were able to withstand all thrown at them so they won.

If we had good CB, we would have won at Riverside, St James, Stamford Bridge, Old Trafford, Anfield and eventually won the league and get to the CL finals.

The most important decision Arsene should take to save this club and pave the way for future successes is to buy a big, tall, mobile centre back to partner Kolo. If we’re able to do that, Vela joins and we retain our current crop of players, we can win the league next season.

All we need is to fix the centre of the defence, finito.

Gene, I dont know Ade personally but its my opinion that he wont leave based on several interviews he has given recently. Put it this way, if he leaves this summer I will be massively surprised.

Precisely Howard.

well it a policy thats a) CHEAP, b)nurtures players the way you would think is best for the team! (if u want to improve certain aspects of their game or change pos & so on) which is perfect for arsene & arsenal as we do play our own way!

foreigners are cheaper than english players i think we agree there correct?
arsene has punched above his weight for 10 years (by competing with far far less money) not out of choice…how do u think we built the world class training facilities & financed the stadium!
he’s developed this system to produce a top class team without splashing the cash…which nobody else competing at the top does btw! you dont think arsene wouldve got ferdinand or rooney if he could! of course he would’ve! but no cash!
just because he’s got some money now why should he just suddenly change the way he’s been running the club for a decade…& finally..splashing cash hell for leather (ala fergie & whoever) would stifle the development of players who are gonna be future cesc’s & clichy’s! dont get me wrong i think a few purchases would do us a world of good! but generally im a great fan of his style..plucking nobody’s like hleb, eduardo, ade..a typical wenger signing where we’re all like..whos he! & then bang theyre great! i love that.
english players for ages now are simply too expensive for him..i mean curtis davis was 10 mill when he was in championship!! COME ON he’s a defender too! dont get me wrong he paid top money for walcott(considerin he was 16) but arsene isnt gonna get sumthin unless he sees it as an investment! & walcott definately is!

btw Howard im understanding u fully, (ur saying how foreigners would leave to play for barca, milan etc cos they’ve had cot dreams about it etc!) but actually u’ve missed my point…u say the records show foreigners leave…well im sayin the records show that almost all our players are foreign so of course the ones that are gonna leave are foreign! & i simply made the point that english players leave equally as much!(more than u expect with us act) & u listed excuses for them but every player has an excuse…if ur implying that foreigners move because they think the grass’s greener/money well thats exactly what ashley moved for! & with bentley im highlighting the lack of patience & loyalty that the english can show..since ur main point is foreigners leaving!
that same patience has been shown & rewarded by the likes of clichy, van persie & all our other youngsters! bentley i think could’ve made it at arsenal but seeing his character & his constant anti-arsenlal remarks in his interviews..its no surprise he left cos he’s a thick class-less arrogant fool! also pennant is another englishman who holds bitterness towards the club when…he drove drunk for a living rather than played football!! & ive met him u know what his chat up line is..how much is in his bank account!!
is it really surprising these yobs leave a club managed by someone of arsene’s class! there’s no time for ppl like that!
equally i must add look at walcott he’s a shining example to any young player! so u take the good with the bad…with the english & the foreign!

gazzap

I can assure you that Arsene will buy English to replace Flamini. It will be one of the following:

1. Gareth Barry-Aston Villa
2. Michael Johnson-Manchester City
3. Mark Noble-West Ham

Arsene has also decided to go for a CB and has narrowed the serch to 3:

1. Zapata
2. Raul Abiol
3. Lucio

He’s buying two players and may get an additional one, say LW if he comes cheap.

The Board’s in-fighting has not ended and the resignation of Edelman is the direct consequence of our failure this season after promising so much. RED & WHITE may be hanging around the corner with Dein in tow.

Howard

How do you know the reasons for Edelman leaving?

YW

Sorry BobN7 Must have misunderstood the following written by yourself I quote ‘Oh little statistic Old Timer” but there you go old age. And I thinking you were being kind to me, tutt tutt.
team spirit of course you are right, I would love him to even greater next season but i am really rapped with what the lad has achieved this season. The nutters who get on the Blogs lately are just that barking mad nutters. I find it very hard to believe that instead of praising this team who play a style of football that just makes my mouth water, continually knock them. The boss does not say lightly that they are the best team has ever produced, when you consider the teams he has produced in the past. I never saw the 1930’s teams,(I was still a thought in the old mans, god rest his soul eye). But I can now understand his never ending praise of the Arsenal of that era. We are so lucky to have this team wear our clubs colours, IMO. So BobN7 can not find fault with your, go you Gunners.

Edelman leaving a direct result of our ‘failure’?

how?

I’m a huge Flamini fan, i secretly hoped that he’d be given the captains arm band next season, however, it does seem like he might be gone having read Cliche’s statement.
If he does go it might not be so bad just as long as Wenger gets in a good experienced replacement. For me, Denilson isn’t the answer, he’s just too lightweight.
I think we still have the same problem as last year - we lack a solid spine in our team, yes it improved this year, and Flamini was key to this improvement, but i still think we looked a little light weight in the midfield at times…
I’d like to see a big strong holding midfield player, somebody who can really grab the midfield by the scruff of the neck…
If we could build a time machine i’d be inclined to go back & pick up a young Roy Keane, Gattuso or Patrick Vieira for our midfield and a young Steve Bould, Martin Keown or Jaap Stam for a defense… so we have a rock hard spine going through the middle of the team, an anchor if you like… with flair, pace and movement surrounding it (which is what we have in an abundance)… I think we’re one third of the way there with Ade leading the line, we just need the defensive midfielder & centre back. The main problem is, who? Any ideas, anyone?

Maybe the board had a bet and his leaving had to do with him vowing that the team will win the double else he would resign\

I can thelp but the wary that red and white are lurking.

I dont know the man personally, but his assertion of a business model/benefactor model for running a football club is spot on and I liked the idea of a business model better. He was so against benefactor ideas that that has to be a plus for him apart form all else that he has achieved….

Amazing just read the latest from the Boss, I must be reading from the same pray book. y comment was posted at 9.40am his on Arsenal.com at 1.30pm.

My comment ‘How far were we from Manure last season in points? Note we beat them at home and away, but for a penalty and a very dubious free kick we would have done the same this season.’
See Howard your not the only one in the know.

YW I suspect plagiarism by the boss.

I am still looking forward to us winning the leaugue though in so far as we are still mathematicall in it. I just wish they would score more goals just in case Chelsea and Man U actually only draw their last two matches.

Man U have now dropped 7 points to boro, Blackburn and Chelsea. I don’t hear talks of their team needing to be disbanded

I have said it a million times - spend the money - get Richards.

I would be over the moon with that as the only signing we make this summer.

On the CM role - what about Diarra at Real Madrid? Big and powerful and on the fringes there.

Nice one Old Timer. The boys have had a great season. All round the world people have marvelled at the way our team as played. When people think of Arsenal at the moment they don’t think of the silverware we’ve won(sadly) but they do think that we play football the way it should be played. The only two teams above us also happen to be in the CL final and have spent an obscene amount of money to be there. With a little luck and a couple of shrewd signings(CB and winger/striker), next season will be even more enjoyable than this one! Happy days!

Micah Richards is a good player but he would not get us anywhere. He is just like Toure. They rely on their athleticism to get them out of trouble time and again. Having 2 Toure’s next to each other is not what we need because thats virtually what we already have in Gallas.
Proper tall no nonsense defender like Zapata (yes please Howard) will do us just fine.
However, I do think that wenger will try and get away with spending as little as possible on a defender as he usually does. I dont expect him to pay more than £5m for one - his scouts will already have a few names in the pot that he can pick up for not a lot. I just hope wenger has the inclination to buy one of them and that he does not think Toure and Gallas are the answer.

BobN7 I dips me lid to you, happy days and lots of silverware. Dying to see the likes of Vela and the new young boys Jack Wilshere , Freeman etc. We have a mouth watering up and coming team. Reports say they play just like the first team; its great to be a Gunner fan really great. As for young Denilson, I think the lad has turned the corner, sorry but I think he will be as big a player as Ces in years to come. My only worry and its not really a worry as long as the Boss is in charge is the GK. But hey Fabi could be the next Petr Cech, who I rate as the best GK going around at the moment.

There are plenty of players around that can slot in for Flamini.

Yes he’s had a good season but he’s not worth destroying our wage structure for.

Arsene has replacements in mind, remember our signings last season? There’s no need to spend big as there are no guarantees when you spend big.

Branislav Ivanovic 9m
D. Bent -16m
Malouda- 15m

r. Santa Cruz -3.5m
sagna 5.5m
Petrov 4.7m

let’s not forget Anelka who many of us wanted back at £15m

Tansfer prices have nothing to do with talent and everything to do with agents and club making up numbers to suit themselves

Old Timer, we’re on the same page. Denilson, given a run in CM may be good enough (ditto Diaby).

We know that Arsene won’t bring in loads of players so I’m hoping that CB is sorted out as Phillipe’s never going to be mobile enough. Djourou may have it but he seems to want to play in midfield. Nordveit from what I’ve seen, just needs to bulk up a bit but won’t be ready for next season.

When Rosicky’s been out it’s weakend our team and although Vela looks like he could be outstanding, in his first year here it might be expecting too much to seem him playing 30-35 games.

Given that these positions are our priority I’m not sure Arsene will ‘upgrade’ the reasonable but not outstanding Almunia. It doesn’t take a genius to note that the teams who generally win things have world class goalies.

@gazzap - Entirely correct! About Richards.

And what we need a big What we need is a big tall no-nonsense muth*£&$r .No more of that nimble technical players who gets out jumped by anyone over 5′9″ we’ve got enough of those

Sot on BobN7 have a decko at this article well worth a look.
http://www.sportingo.com/football/a8339_next-fabregas-will-come-
from-arsenals-new-young-guns-he-could-be-british

for those who want to look at what could be in store for us mouth watering hmmm
Arsene Wenger has a wealth of home-grown stars waiting to burst into the Premier League, as well as a global reservoir of talent – with more on the way.
‘The current crop of youngsters at the Emirates includes … home-grown youngsters such as Henri Lansbury, Rhys Murphy and Jack Wilshere’

Arsene Wenger has a history of cherry-picking the best young talent from around the world. First it was Cesc Fabregas, then Gael Clichy and Theo Walcott. The current crop of youngsters at the Emirates includes the likes of Fran Merida, Nacer Barazite, Havard Nordtveit and home-grown youngsters such as Henri Lansbury, Rhys Murphy and Jack Wilshere.

But who will be the next young stars to come under Wenger’s guidance? Arsenal have already signed Ignasi Miquel from Cornella in Spain and Oguzhan Ozyakup from AZ in Holland. They will be joined by the exciting Under-16 stars Benik Afobe, Samir Carruthers, Sam Byles and Nico Yennaris, but will Arsenal again bring in more young talent from abroad?

Here are just a few possible new stars who could be joining the Arsenal ranks next season:

Nikolay Dimitrov: Bulgarian Under-21 winger who currently plays for Levski Sofia. Dimitrov spent a week on trial with Arsenal at the end of last season and impressed all of the coaching staff.

Miralem Pjanic: Precocious talent from Bosnia who plays his club football for FC Metz in France. At 18 years of age, he is already being tipped as a future world star.

Patrik: A 17-year-old Brazilian playmaker who has spent time with Arsenal on trial. He says it is his dream to play for the Gunners as soon as he turns 18. Plays his club football in Brazil for Sao Caetano.

Luiz Guilherme: Another Brazilian but this time a goalkeeper. Only 16, this Botafogo youngster has already been scouted by Arsenal for over a year.

Pablo Sarabia: A Spanish striker from the Real Madrid youth system. Arsenal have already made approaches for the 15-year-old, who is already being dubbed “the new Torres”.

Aaron Ramsey: Cardiff City youngster who has made a huge impression this season. Another youngster who has been followed by Arsenal for over a year now.

Aaron Spear: A 14-year-old striker who has a style similar to Wayne Rooney! The Plymouth Argyle youngster has been tracked by both Arsenal and Rangers. Spear, it seems, has chosen to play for Scotland, the birthplace of his parents.

So that’s just a few of the potential future Arsenal stars, but no doubt Wenger and his team have many more in mind as well.

Gazzap and Dog - Your wrong about Richards..

He is a monster of a CH already, and is only 19 - imagine how good he is going to be?

And he is 6 foot plus - much taller and more powerful than both Toure and Gallas.

The kid will be the best CH in the Prem in the next 3 years - you see.

Old Timer/Sportingo one and the same? I think we should be told.

to me the concern over the flamini situaition isn’t the player himself who is technically not a great player and has had 2/3 of a great season that is it. the problem is that we are unable to keep hold of in world football terms a fairly average player, not even a regular full international.

if we can not afford to buy top quality players and groom them instead then it is even more worrying that we can not afford to keep them after they are groomed. if this is a short term issue then ok, but if even with the new stadium we can not afford the wages either then i think there is a fundemental problem that needs to be addressed ie the money gap between us and the other great european teams.

you can say we have been close to utd and chelsea and we are not miles off, but it is no coincidence they are fighting for the PL and CL and we are not and that both will continue to strengthen and out spend us year in and year out.

as for replacements denilson, diaby and song are clearly not good enough to the first choice centre midfielders for a club aspiring to be the best in the country and europe.

on another note wenger should stop talking about the utd game being the be all and end all of the season, it was those 4 draws that killed us, you don’t lose the league by being beaten at old trafford. it is daft.

also i hope flamini isn’t picked again infront of the young players if he is isn’t committed which he isn’t obviously then the others should play.

dan

This average player(flamini) just happens to have been our best player this season.He is a perfect partner for Cesc.And if the other 10 players had play with as mush passion as the Flamster we would have pissed the league.AC Milan are not signing him because he is average.

he has a good year or 2/3 ’s of one as he has not been as good in the past few months, however the point i was making is that he can not in anyway be compared to PV or TH in their prime when barca and real were calling every year, ie one of the great players in the world, he simply isn’t in that league. he is not even in the french 1st team and is behind diarra for the central spot.

i am not trying to slag him off but saying we should be able to keep players of that calibre. milan are currently an average italian team not even in the CL and the reason he is going is clearly all about the money, based on the fact that he has constantly said how much he loves us and wants to part of the future. therefore point made was we can not keep hold of a good but not great players down to cash!!!!! and can not afford to buy them either ie problem!!!

you totally missed the point.

Oh come off it dan.How dare you call Flamin average.Why are Bayern,Juve and Milan trying to sign him then.He has been fantastic this season.Just compare him with snail pace Gilberto.The guy does not stop running for 90mins

he is verty attractive to teams because he is free, i doubt clubs would be paying 15m for him if he was under contract.

i would have loved him to stay, but we have lost far far better players than him in the past and survived.

chris read above, he is FREE and like chester you missed the point of what i was trying to say.

if wenger thought that highly of him, he would have done what he had done in the past to keep TH and PV happy, ie whatever it took. in this case he won’t braek the bank because flam isn’t worth it. (which isn’t saying he is not good, or had a great year or an important player in the team)

again i was talking about the financial implications of losing players due to wages not flamini per se.

YW

How do I know? I had a call from a deep throat, praying its a different reason altogether.

dan

My point is Wenger is prepared to sell our best player this season.Knowing we wont get a transfer fee and that buying a replacement would cost more than Flamini”s wages.It is business suicide.Wenger knew Flamini”s contract was up this summer yet sold Diarra. Madness

Interesting comment from Ancelotti about Flamini; “He will add depth”, a couple of years in Milan’s reserves await.

Also, intersting watching Yaya against Man Utd the other night. I wondered why Arsene was reluctant, but think although he looked decent he didn’t look mobile

chris, that i agree entirely, the fact that we will end the season with no diarra, flamini and probably gilberto is the most unbeleivably poor management, utter madness!!!!

they never seem to learn with these players in their last year, he should have signed by january or not played and palyed diarra instead.

so unbeleivably poor. we lost gilberto and diarra for the sake of 30 good games from flamini!!!!

jamie agree i can not see him replacing gattuso or pirlo. we all know it’s all about money let’s not kid ourselves.

also wenger has to stop trusting players, hiow many times have we heard him say this player has said he wants to stay and i believe him. here is a hint DON’T, until he signs on the dotted line.

dan i agree with ur 3:01 point, that Wenger wouldve broke the bank if he thought it worth while..i.e. like with a Cesc!
However regarding ur previous point about Diaby & Denilson. I believe Denilson was included once in the brazil squad before he kicked a ball in anger for arsenal first team, & Diaby im sure is in the french squad too! the latter has amazing talent but is not the finished article yet! & to be honest i can see him leaving in next couple of seasons if things dont go his way! but denilson is a def keeper he’s going right to the top!
he’s got ‘worldclass’ all over him!

mo,

i think denilson is potential at most at the moment, he even struggled at derby until the 2nd half. he is a squad player and can not be considered first choice quality for a team with our aspirations. as for diaby who the hell knows, wenger never plays him in the middle which probably tells us all we need to know, let alone his poor injury record.

diarra was a good player but an arsehole who hasnt got the heart to fight for his place..he cared more about his french place than arsenal & hence y he’s at portsmouth! wenger didnt want to let him go & he wanted to play?!? what do u expect wenger to do, handcuff him & chuck him in the cooler for next year?! but whatever happens with flam & hleb wenger’s got the whole summer to think about it & do what he thinks is best! if this happened in last few days of sep then id be worried! but at least its over with nice & early now so we can make plans in the summer with players that want to play for arsenal

to me he should have got flam to sign in januray and committ or play diarra full stop, he knew what might have happened, ie losing both, we all knew it might happen so why didn’t he.

equally diarra could have been loaned out until the end of the season and seen how flamini situation resolved itself.

either way we would not have been left in a situation in which we don’t have a partner for cesc other than unproven potential, a limited budget that is required for other areas of the team and the sight of one of better players this year walking out in front of everyone for more money elsewhere. not pretty!!!!

as for diarra, i disagree who took a gamble leaving and wanted to play football nothing wrong with that, even admirable. the ironic thing being in the past five months he has been ahead of flamini in the french squad!!! go figure.

mr dan one bad performance(i didnt see it) doesnt make a player! the game against derby was meaningless anyway! he hasnt been lucky this season but u got to have to remember the one thing youngsters struggle with is consistancy(bar cesc whos a one off), & that comes with age & experience, i dont think anyone can say he’s had a good season but i still remember him dismantling tottenham 6 months after joining the club! thats not an average squad player to me! he’s gonna be special & if u cant see that now it’ll hit you next season! but as i said lets first see who stays & who goes, whoever;s going the sooner the better! & should be interesting whoever wenger chooses instead of flamini next year..if gilberto stays might be him, denilson/diaby! maybe even song who was camaroon’s best player in the acn he totally ran the show & they might’ve won it if he didnt miss the final! i have a sneaky feeling wenger might opt for him because he’s quite similar to flamini in aggression but has MUCH…MUCH better passing ability!

i wasn’t saying the derby game showed he wasn’t good enough, all i am saying is he is not of the quality required to be our 1st choice centre midfielder. he has been unlucky with injuries this year, but when he has played he has not shown himself to be ready to make that huge leap from cc player to 1st choice week in week out. Then again who would have thought flam would have gone from about to go to birmingham to AC Milan and 60k net a week in 12 months, shows what i know!!!! (or wenger for that matter, i bet he didn’t offer him anywhere near near 55k a week last year if anything at all)

i don’t think you can compare flam and denislon very different players. den is no where near as dynamic or up and down the field like flam he is much more of a holding player.

Might be a bit off topic, but check out my videos of

Fabregas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJxQzaHbJgk

Adebayor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgBfwZmgxH8

RVP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrtTsGiV6Mk

and a Walcott one’s coming soon…

Cheers!

yeah because domenech bums him…that guys a bit of a loony anyway, he axed pires from the team! wat a joke! flamini’s not the prettiest player but he compliments other players & makes them look good! diarra as a total package has obv a lot more to offer than flamini but that doesnt mean he’ll do a better job for every manager!
diff players fr diff systems!
what i liked about flam this season was his leadership on the pitch he really acted like the boss out there! & at least he showed guts to fight & win his place…diarra was here for 4 months & wanted out! wat a sissy were not in the school playground! & yes he’s ahead of flamini for france….but flamini has the choice of arsenal…milan & juve to choose from…while diarra has PROSTITUTED himself at pompy & so far…NO one’s interested

he’s got bett passing & a better shot which he aint afraid to use! i know theyre not similer but you have to compare players who play in the same position!

speaking of the 55 offered it prob inculded his agent’s feel maybe they wanted to aviod another colegate….oops…

the season is yet to finish and already we have to contend with a whole lot of transfer nonsense.i wouldn’t read too much into the adebayor story , agents always have to sound as though their player could be on the move .after the season ade has had it’s fair enough he has an improved deal or at least tries to get one at the club :-)

i think we should forget about the flamini thing until he actually signs for someone else.his leaving was a possibility since january and wenger will have someone in mind to replace him.

as for hleb i am not sure we should be disappointed if he wants to leave.don’t get me wrong he has been top class this season but it may not be a bad time to get someone else in just for a change .who knows a replacement may get the goals we used to from pires/ljungberg.

one good reason to buy english is fatigue/injury issues wont be a problem as england are not in euro08

i think richards will be a good buy ,he has pace as well as the physical attributes (read heading ability :-) ) which a toure and gallas combo seems to lack
lucio would be a coup ,didn’t he want to leave germany for a different league ?

it’s ironic 8-9 months ago we were overstuffed in central midfield now with diarra gone flamini and gilberto to folllow possibly we seem short.

arsene will find replacements though. last season we got in sagna,eduardo and fabianski. the first two were quality players (not big names) so it’s not like arsene will shy away from getting quality players to slot in straight away just to give his young guns more chances.

i am optimistic about our chances next season,just -23 good buys we will make the final step towards title winners !!!

sorry meant 2-3 buys in my previous posts.

mo do you think flamini swerved his car off the road while he heard his agent say 55k ala cole :-)

Edelman is gone??

lol imagine his french ass sqealing with fury!

If AW carry on his current policy(no english, no big men), of course we won’t win anything next season. Our squad suffer mostly of a lack of winning quality, because simply we don’t have the mixture a winning team needs. We are unidimensional; we can’t mix it when our plan A fails. No one is even questioning why AW is buying too many lightweight players recently. We have been bullied for sometime now. Ppl are talking about our rivals are actually winning, because they have more money than us. I wonder AW is going for lightweight player has anything to do with money or his own personal ego. This policy is failing us, but no one in the board is able to tell him to stop it now.

LC,

Please tell me where we have been bullied this season. Bolton ? Everton ? Any other northern outpost where we`ve struggled in recent years ?

We`ve lost to Chelsea, Man U & Boro away & only by the odd goal in those games.

It`s not something that happens to us anymore - even the media don`t mention it.

We might need a little more of a physical presence down the spine of the team but it`s not so easy to knock us out of our stride these days.

Maybe a couple more leaders would help but our success has been BECAUSE of plan A & the fact that all the players 1 to 11 can play our way.

Bringing more physicality to the team may effect that & do more harm than good.

jamie, Wenger wasn’t reluctant about Yaya, according to an ATVO interview available on the official site. The interviewer asked him about Yaya and Wenger said something about there being issues with his work eligibility in England (or something like that) and that the plan was for him to stay where he was for a couple of years (I forget the European club he was at, sorry, I’m working from memory) and then come to Arsenal. But Yaya didn’t want to wait so went to Barca. Wenger made it clear that he was originally supposed to come to Arsenal, at least that’s what he claims.

When dan says Flam is “average” I think he means Flam is not technically as good as most of our players. dan is right, he’s not. What Flam brings is something every squad needs–incredible energy, intelligent support, sheer bloody-mindedness. And a practical football brain.

Also, dan, it’s the media that keeps talking about Wenger’s quote re the Manu game. On Arsenal TV (official site) in interviews and press conferences he’s specifically pointed to Birmingham as the turning point and all those draws. It’s true he mentioned the lead we lost at Manu but he doesn’t give it as much prominence as the media keep implying.

Unfortunately he points too much to the role of luck–he’s not wrong about that but he doesn’t talk enuf about our defensive problems. He HAS mentioned those but not as much as us being “unlucky.”

As to Richards, he’s a good defender but sometimes his positional sense is suspect.

I think dan is right to point to the money issue.

Like most gooners I am strongly opposed to any takeovers, esp. from the Usmanovs of the world, but at the moment we’re witnessing two of England’s richest clubs controlling the top 2 spots in the PL *AND* the CL. In the PL, that control is consistent now. We’re also witnessing big moneyed clubs like Milan trying to plunder our squad. How long can this go on?

It’s very frustrating to watch all this knowing that we were very close this season. I’ve supported Arsene’s policy but I think it’s fair to ask is it possible anymore to win trophies without spending more money than our club is able to? I want the answer to be yes but my faith is wavering.

Certainly it’s not all about money since that didn’t help Barca or Real Madrid (in the CL) this season. I’m thinking out loud here, I don’t have any definite answers. I just think that whether or not Arsenal can compete against the chavs and the mancs as they keep buying expensive young players is a legitimate question.

just got back from italy and according to all the media out there the flam deal is done and dusted!!

well im starting to hate the close season because we always loose players. unless wenger scraps the wage structure then we will be nothing more then an english ajax!!

fu** flamini lets get in barry!!

Paulie W,
I don’t know about your understanding of the word ‘bully’, but I guest you see probably only the physical contact a stronger(physically) player makes against a lighter player.
I think it’s more than that. For example, recently we ‘ve lost and drawn a couple of games when we were often a goal up; but we ‘ve found ourself chasing the game later on. We have been blaming this on our defending. I would say that it’s how we are resolute to win the game. We ‘ve lost at Stanford Bridge, Oldtraford and Anfield almost the same way.
Of course we didn’t defend as we should, but most of the time in that period, often you could see how far we were outplayed in midfield. We had no resistance in middle and you could see that it was a matter of time to break our resistance, particularly in the game against United and Chelsea. It’s all easy accusing our defending; but we don’t see how any team can be vulnerable when their midfield can be dominated physically.
We simply need some big men and home lads in our starting eleven, just like four years ago; and we will do well again.

NY on arsenal.com today the article is just that, the loss at OT was the decider.

the reality is barca and real haven’t spent as much as chelsea and man utd in the last couple of years.

I appreciate your point LC.

Some of our lads have been a bit green in seeing out games which will come with more experience.

I just think AW has to be careful about who he brings in.

Terry, Ferdinand & Carragher would fit the bill (if only)but I can`t think of many other English defenders good enough to get into our side.

This time last year ( well slightly later ) very few people were singing Flam’s praise and no one suspected his great season, some comments described him as a second string utillity player! Maybe we should not be so bold again to bracket Dennilson and Diaby and Song as second string midfielders. This could be the time they do make the grade like Flam, lets just hope all the contracts are sorted……..

Ic..i thought u were way off point in ur first post! what’s englishness got to do with it this we need an english player nonsense has got to stop! being english french italian or sudanese doesnt alter ur football quite like ppl are making out to be! look at flamini…he’s an all out terrrier, or gattuso, another similer top drawer player! both are not english! yet they both have that fighting spirit u think we need! the fact that the england squad is dying for a player like that in the middle right now tells u all u need to know!

u talk in ur second post of the games we lost in anfield, old trafford & anfield….what! lack of resilience! we played united off the park, we were robbed at liverpool & against chelsea we just combusted(outside goal & all that) thanks to our defence fell apart…we certainly werent outplayed & we showed more than enough character..guts..& skill to win alll those games! what we lacked is a cutting edge! look at united against us, against barca! they get totally outplayet yet come out on top! every2-3 attacks they fashion a great chance!! we need to be as clinical! we’ve shown this season we can DOMINATE anyone in the world..without a doubt! liverpool at laegue game in anfield..manu in ot, milan in san siro! we’ve played the top teams off the park! just havent made that superiority counted in some of these games! eduardo is a big big miss for us in that way! he’s our only natural finisher! ‘we need big men & home lads’… i disagree, what we need, esp if flamini leaves(whom im starting to think might stay) is leaders! plus as i said earlier english players are over priced & dont represent value for money for a shrewd investor like arsene! i think most would agree we certainly put to bed our ’softies’ tag this season! we need goals from midfield, spec the wingers, & bendtner & walcott will have a lot more on their shoulders next season the goals need to be spread out! id be shocked if ade scored another 30 goals, a) he’s not just an out & out goal scorer there’s much more to his game b) its not good to be too reliant on one source for goals! a better spread of goals is important nx season! & a fit eduardo & sharp please!!

Grim raises a good point about Denilson & Song in particular.

It`s too early to talk disparagingly about our younger players. Bendtner is another one and earlier this season doubts were raised about Theo.

These lads are still very young. I think they`ve probably started less than 40 premiership games between them & yet some people would let them go.

Flam only really got moving with us this season (at 23) so we should cut them some slack & hope they don`t leave if they do make the grade.

ive been harping your tune all season grim!

paulie,

the problem is we don’t want that many more seasons on transition, none of them are ready to be week in week out top quality players. as you said flam was 4 years experiance and 23 when he made the step up, none of them are any where near close. they wouldn’t get in to any of our rivals 1st team as first or even second choice players why do you think they are good enough for us as first choice players.

Sometimes the veiled attack on Bendtner for not scoring enough goals is beyond me. He’s only 19 and has scored 8 goals mainly coming off the bench in his first season.

Ade scored 4 goals in his first season ( he arrived in the January opening) playing regularly. He managed only 12 goals playing regulary in his second season and 30 now. He also arrived at the club with more experience under his belt than Nik.

So why the attack on Nik when he just began his professional career?

I think he goes MIA in some of the games he started. I was one of the people who criticized him.

After Derby’s game, and the role he played in the second half…even with the opposition being Derby, I think he had one of the best performances this season.

But, I have to point out there is a difference between criticizing a player because you know they can do better, and destructive criticism because you just hate the player.

Howard, on Bendtner I absolutely agree with you. I’ve never liked the double standards with Bendtner v. Ade. Both of them have major ego problems but only Bendtner gets called on it. It’s like we judge who to like or not to like just because of who Ade and some in the squad like or apparently don’t like. The fact is we simply haven’t seen enuf of Bendtner to really made an intelligent judgment of him, period.

Song is more of a CM than a CB he can defend hes good in the air and can attack I think he could be ideal as holding midfielder now that Flaminis nearly gone.

Diarra has played right-back for France. He has not managed to dislodge any of the old guard in midfield so far.

Denilson had a good game against Derby especially as it was his first premiership game after a long injury lay off. Technically, he is head and shoulders above Flamini and if the latter goes, we have options to replace him. If Flamini can go from average squad player to ‘irreplaceable’ in the eyes of some Arsenal fans, there is no reason why more technically gifted players cannot do the same.

Flamini is the type of player who appeals to the average premiership footie fan, because he runs around a lot and shouts, which has it’s place, but on it’s own cannot win games. Perhaps Flamini is honest enough with himself to know that he needs to strike while the iron is hot and cash in before he is found out and replaced by a better player. However, Milan will be in for a shock when they realise that he is not half the player they think he is without the rest of the team to make him look good.

As for Diarra, he is a good player, but he clearly lacks the character to make it at the top of the game. He was not prepared to compete for a place at a top 4 club so chose another path. Good luck to him, but he is spilt milk and I don’t see the point of crying over him.

Physicallity in the midfield has not been our problem this season. Our technically mobile midfield have played around problems. What we have missed is the natural finishing of Eduardo at the business-end of the season as well as the solidity in defence, which we had early on and which makes me feel that we could get it back again. Also, I really cannot understand this obsession with Richards. If he had not let on that he supported the gunners as a kid, I wonder would he keep being touted as an Arsenal player? He has skills, but he is young and learning just like our players so he will hardly add more than we already have (as well as costing an arm and a leg because of his nationality).

Let’s go for Barry to repalce Flamini. He’ll come expensive but we’ll reap results if successful.

Barry will come as a leader having led Villa for years. A good tackler of the ball and like Flam he can play LB and also LW. He offers physical presence, an attribute we lack in midfield.

He has long shots in him, shooting around the 18, 20,22,25 yards range and scoring; an option that we lack in the team.

Getting him will introduce Englishness in the team reduce refs. biase and dislike by pundits. While he will offer work rate and versatility like Flam; his engagement will be a public relations coup.

He’s a natural leader so he also fills in as a captain straight away, taking the arm band from Gallas.

Good night

Will Barry sell shirts? Shirts are more important than even trophies.

“Getting him will introduce Englishness in the team reduce refs. biase and dislike by pundits.”

So all the smaller teams, (full of english players) that complain about the big teams getting the “ref’s” decisions is down to “Englishness”.

What a stupid comment that is.

Several ways you can look at Edelman’s departure.

He and Dein loathed each other the first thing that would happen if Red and white got control would be to turf him out or block his re-appointment. It could be the first step in a takeover or concilliation.

The club have yet to announce ticket prices for next season. Edelman intimated they would be 3% maybe the board feel following Chelseas ticket freeze would create better good will with supporters

More likely though it is the board taking the first step for life after Wenger none have the necessary football contacts/expertise the club needs a football expert who can identify and potentially replace Wenger or counta-balance his control of the club. It could be to maintain revenues the club has to abandon the youth policy and buy bigger names.

What I take on the comment is:

1st. Who cares about the pundits liking or disliking Arsenal. If we follow the pundits, we would be fighting relegation.

2nd. Players as Wenger said, should only be selected or signed on the basis of how good they’re and what can they add to the team. Not on how to be favorite or exchange niceties in English with the referees.

3rd. Labeling the English referees as bias towards foreigners would not help them better their already bad reputation in Europe or on international level.

G4E: Also some of the worst ref’s decisions affected us in the CL with non-english refs, so the bias talk about us getting the bad decisions in the prem league because we are not full of english players is sheer nonsense.

Steve, I agree. Although I really dislike English refs, I don’t think we are not winning titles because of them. Maybe some dicisions are bad, but not because we have a team of foreigners.

You can’t say we won the 2004 title just because we had two English players.

Howard makes some very good points but his perception regarding the value of english players seems wrong to me. England as a team are not even worth mentioning in world football today, they are no better (maybe a lot worse) than some countries with a far smaller population to pick players from.

And I am English so should be biased.

Not a reliable source but the sun says Edelman departure was due to a fall-out with Wenger over transfer dealings.

G4E Wenger has no power in the board room. It was Fizman who wanted him out.

Seems now the move is done there is no room for a pure finace man. Seems we are after a football MD now.

BobN7 spot on that is correct (Sportingo one and the same? I think we should be told.) Tried putting their email site on but not published. I believe they have to check it out as it could be a possible naughty site. Did not mean to mislead you, but the article was just too good to miss. I have to go to sleep otherwise I would have replied earlier. Just read some of the latest articles on this blog, Gees they missed this lot at the COLOSSEUM in Rome· Some are a bit more merciful they just want to shoot them.

I enjoyed reading your article. Look forward to coming back to see wha’t next in the line up.

chelsea surely gets the UCL now… they appear to be stronger technically and mentally than manure.

Flamini it seems is waiting for milan to qualify for europe… he has made his decision to leave in all probablilities….

no barry….. we have song and if given a chance he would more than prove himself.

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