Posted by: Yogi's Warrior | April 28, 2008

Ramming Speed - Derby County preview

Derby this evening and a trip to what a team that is being described as statistically the worst in Premier League history. Reminiscent of the visit to Stoke in the mid-80s when they were relegated with an equally appalling record, beating only I believe Arsenal and Manchester United at the old Victoria Ground, it was day I remember well; a sunny Spring afternoon in late March, travelling up confident of victory, coming home with a tail between my legs following on from a two goal defeat.

Just kidding. Although not about the defeat at Stoke which was no laughing matter. It seems that overly negative thoughts have overrun the Arsenal world with the reality of the situation giving way to recriminations and finger pointing. Consider where the club has been and where it is now. Last season, the princely total of sixty-eight points, twenty-one behind the champions and lagging in fourth place. The season before? Only qualifying for the Champions League on the basis of a dodgy lasagne.

This season has petered out in a disappointing fashion. Whilst the title is not yet out of reach - a win this evening means the gap is four points - to expect United and Chelsea to fail to win either of their last two games is clutching at some very long straws indeed. Yet a gap of four points to the Champions who are likely to end within a small ballpark of the total last season’s title represents a massive improvement. That is not the only margin by which this season should be judged. Eleven defeats has been turned around to three so far with none at home.

Given the background with a new stadium being built that the squad have raised a title challenge this season is something that should be celebrated to a certain extent. The downside is that they fell short yet the expectation before the season started was not even to be there or thereabouts. Arsene has been the singularly most successful manager in the clubs history but that is being used as the rope with which to hang him.

I read a comment somewhere that warned of Arsene leading the club into the same cycle that Brian Clough did with Nottingham Forest, eventually leading to their demise. Yet that spell took well over a decade from the glories of the European Cup to relegation. Anyone who suggests that Arsene is putting Arsenal on that route is completely barking.

I would have thought that there is sufficient goodwill for Wenger to be given time to pursue his policies yet it appears that this is not necessarily the case. Before the start of this season, Arsenal were doomed to fail because Tottenham had spent big and were going to rampage their way into the top four. It did not happen although they have commendably battered to eleventh, a measly thirty-one points behind having played a game more. That is not a case for complacency though yet it does highlight the need for knee-jerk reactions to be tempered.

And so to this evening’s fixture. The midfield has been weakened with Alexander Hleb starting his suspension and Abou Diaby picking up a knock in a reserve fixture last week. Set fair for a return seems to be Denilson. The right hand side of midfield might well take on a more defensive look with Eboue starting ahead of Walcott. Whilst Theo deserves to get playing time, Arsene has been reluctant to start him in away games. Despite Derby’s position in propping up the table, I doubt that he will start the youngster although I would have said that there was a strong case for him to get at The Rams straight away. Whether Walcott starts depends largely on who is leading the line. A lot of the weekend’s papers seem to think that Bendtner is going to get his chance although I cannot recall seeing anything to suggest Adebayor would not be available.

I suspect Arsene will go with

Fabianski; Toure, Gallas, Song, Clichy; Eboue, Fabregas, Gilberto, Denilson; van Persie, Adebayor

Returning to Hleb for a moment. One thing that has struck me as odd with all of this hoo-hah surrounding his contract. Arsene has berated the introduction of Article 17 and its implications. Yet neither he nor the club has emerged with any credit over the Byelorussians’ contract. If Arsene was genuinely concerned about Hleb leaving, it would have been sensible for negotiations to have started on a new one before the provisions of Article 17 could take effect. On the surface, it seems that there is more to this than meets the eye.

Enjoy tonight’s match wherever you are watching it. ‘til Tomorrow.

Responses

“On the surface, it seems that there is more to this than meets the eye.”

Certainly..this always is the case with arsene. I also pondered why isnt hleb given a nother 4 year deal….coz he is approaching the age bar where arsene shys away from too much “generousity”. More so coz article 17 mentions the age needs to be less than 28…which hleb is about to surpass next year i think.

Arsene is being as shrewd as he ever was…I dont like it much though. You cant go on giving speeches on faith and togetherness and stuff and do something like this or the gilberto episode. Thats much of shame and disrespect to everyone.
And thats precisely why flamini is not committing himself to this man. You never know where you will end up.

About transfers… I guess there are two sides of it buy players b4 or after euros…
many ppl would say the former..but considering our history with the unfortunate injuries..i wud say wait till its get over and buy the surviving ones. Of course for someone like Micah we dont need to wait.

Good post…. how abt another 6-0 tonite.

fabianski
toure-song-gallas-clichy
eboue-fabregas-denilson-wilshere ( :D )
RVP-Ade

Bendtner - Derby makeshift goalie

I think that the fact we have more players represented in the team of the year (4) to uniteds 3 and mug smashers 2 proves we must have been doing something right.

It makes me sad that we were unable to call upon Sagna for the big games, I am sure he would have made a huge difference.

Also, it is very funny that CSKA Chelskum did not have one player in the 11, if those boring gits win the league it would be a travesty!

I actually would prefer to see Manure win it, yuck that was horrible to say!

What I would actually like to see is Ronaldo missing for 8 weeks next year just to see how they get on.

If Gilberto, Hleb, Flamini. and Jens, leave it will be ridiculous if Arsene doesnt sign AT LEAST 4 new players, a club with our resources, should be able to have a transfer budget comparable with Spurs or Liverpool, with only 15 million a year interest where does all the money go?

I admire Wenger’s - almost mad - belief that he can find some young lads, pay almost nothing for them, and go on to win everything against rivals with the riches of Midas at their disposal!! And then he’s amazed when such a plan doesn’t come off. He’s been a victim of setting the bar ridiculously high. But would we have it any other way? Wenger still totally knows.

cheekyarse - I’m with you.

“Arsene has been the singularly most successful manager in the clubs history but that is being used as the rope with which to hang him.”
The hanging is by the emotive fans and wind-up artists. They see success in terms of a big-check book and mega-signings, not the measurable incremental progress of the past two years at a fraction of the cost of the big three and various pretenders. Given the prudent fashion this club has been run historically I hardly see Arsene being hung out to dry by the Board. That is what has made the club a long-term success long after the check book fans have lost interest.

Yogi funny you should pick that line this morning I too can see defeat heading our way, Sunderland and Everton will be tricky games too. It would be a shame and we should remember the end of a season is often reflected in the next.

It is difficult to remain balanced look at the criticism Ferguson and Grant have received and either will end up with a premiership trophy and maybe the CL as well.

I personnally think the contra ct situation of Hleb might reflect Dein’s absence, he was prone to be too close to the players but was far more focused on tying players into longer deals. Wenger nolonger has that support and has to do it himself (where was the mooted Director of Football), Ken Friar is unlikely to be anyway as dynamic or able to nurture players ego’s.

The problem with Hleb’s departure is not his leaving (if Wenger is happy for him to go) but the size of any transfer fee. Look at Spurs quoting £30m for a striker who turns it on sporatically and certainly not as productive as Torres or even Adebayor.

Good morning everyone.

Yogi, re: Hleb & the provisions of Article 17 of the FIFA regulations taking effect.

I suspect that even Arsene couldn’t have foreseen that Hleb was likely to start flirting with Inter Milan whilst having some Pistachio ice cream, the night before a big Champions League game against Milan.

Yes, after this season, Hleb has two years of his contract remaining, but I believe Article 17 only applies if the player himself (goaded, perhaps, by a greedy agent) decides to invoke it.

If Arsene has been guilty of anything, then perhaps it was in believing - in good faith - that Hleb would show more loyalty towards the team, the club, and him, then he appears to have been doing in recent weeks/months.

I think we’ll see RvP on the left with Theo up front with Ade.

Might the FA deduct points from both Chelsea nad Man Utd for their post-match brawl? That could make things interesting.

:D
tere mooh me ghee shakkar

It could be Theo on the left and RVP up front with Ade. Denilson to the bench.

Brian that would be great, but how about Manure lose one draw one and Chelsea do the same and our team get that piece of luck we have been missing and win all theirs now that would be a turn up for the books.

Everyone of the doom mongers wants to buy yet how is it that we have four players in the EPL best team? Left back right back and of course Ces with Ade up front Hmmm, okay doom mongers have your fill. I shall just go on as a silly old fool and say we have the best team in the EPL and with just a little bit of luck and a fully fit team we would have won at least two bits of silver this year. Flam leave Hleb leaves so what we have still the best team and ample replacements. Buy the odd one yep could be good but just read all about the young gunners and a few blokes we have overseas waiting to return. In my crystal ball one player who will next yer be praised by all will be Eboue at last he seems to be growing up (IMO) Theo will make this English man proud he is in the English team and staring. Just hope they can sort out the ANC ACN cup( which ever is right) and let us truly have our players fit for the whole year.

I agree with Old Timer

drew 10

yes we have 4 players in the team of the year but 4 players dont make a title winning team. So what! We haven”t won a trophy again for the third year running.

With less players in the team of the year how does that leave Mancs, Liverpool and Chelsea then Don the Gooner?

3 nil tonight, reckon Fabragas will get 2.

for tonight as long as we have a mathmatical chance of winning the league we absolutely have to play our best team.

as for the PFA team it is great honor and shows how well they have done, but is completely irrelevant it is team game and all players would forgo them for trophies as fab correctly stated last night.

I must be living somewhere under a rock or something. I can’t believe people who says our lack of silverware(not yet!) is down to “not spending big”. If just 2 wrong decisions in the last 2 months had been called right, we would have been tied on points for the lead, and everyone would have been singing AW praises.

Anyone remember a match we had our first 11 on the field this season? Still we are only 4 points off, with the potential to get even closer, even to win it. The team that wins it apart from us would know that we let it go and for most part due to crazy injuries, and doggy decisions

I have a suspicion that, if AW plays fringe players tonight, we might get tons of goals

TayGoon,

You aren’t by any chance related to Tay Zonday?

YW agree with you about arsene being stung by his own lofty standards but you have to agree that we are making do with a very thin squad for the past two seasons and our “bad luck ” with injuries seems permanent :-( . most gooners admire arsene’s faith in his squad and young recruits but we need numbers in the squad not 5-6 players but 2-3 players of real quality(not big names ).
although i still think this season has seen us make real progress i didn’t expect us to challenge for the title and we pretty much did that till april.
hope arsene sticks with gallas ,i know he has his faults but he is still a top player and has the experience to lead this side

I think that the PFA team of the year is relevant precisely because it is honour to have so many players voted in by professional footballers..rather than hacks or fans. To have so many players voted in is a counterbalance to the negative comments coming from the press and media and (unbelievably) some Arsenal ‘fans’.

This squad is not far from greatness and with a little bit of tweaking will be an even greater force next year…playing football like no other.

AW makes the odd mistake by his own admission but that does not detract from the fact that he is a sheer hard-working genius.

We are as good at least as the Mancs and Chelsea. Interesting that the Mancs had some bad luck at the weekend….didn’t deal with it very well did they? At least William Gallas did not accidentally kick a woman. Now they have key players missing. The only difference between the top three at the moment is luck.

Yogi, another measure of our improvement from last season is our away form. Good post, as usual.

I think the “worst” thing that happened to us — in the sense that it has left us all disappointed — was the way we started the season. Arsenal were not expected by anyone to achieve much this season. If we had simply improved modestly from the start, not being on top of the league so soon and for so long, and then ended up where we are now, everyone would’ve been saying “well done, instead of finishing outside the top 4, they’re in 3rd place, etc.”

I agree with you, Yogi, on there being more than meets the eye with Hleb. I also wonder if it’s the same with Flamini — we’re all assuming it’s all about money, maybe it isn’t just that.

BTW, if Hleb goes to Inter, he’ll be managed by Mourinho who, as well know, is the “perfect” manager for all creative playmakers.

Since when did “three seasons without a trophy” constitute a catastrophe? Man United went 3 seasons without a trophy. Real Madrid went 4 seasons without a trophy. Barca have gone 2 seasons without a trophy. Liverpool have NEVER won the PL! What is this blinkered, short-sighted, gloryhunting belief that Arsenal are absolutely entitled to a trophy every f–king season?!?!

again it is great and they all deserve it, but i and i am sure every player would rather be in chelsea’s shoes this week with no players in the PFA team of the year and playing in the semi final and equal points at the top. that is not slagging us off by any stretch of the imagination just reality.

That is not the point though is it Dan? You have deliberately reversed the order. We had bad luck, we did not win ….but we very nearly did. Obviously the players would rather we had won the prem or the ECL or both.

However, separately, it is some consolation that other professionals recognise the ability and efforts of the club.

i agree entirely Frank, i was just responding to some who are slagging off chelsea for not having players in it and think that is rather ridiculous.

Hleb and murhinho ..its a hehehehehe
gud one NYmarcus he will surely get the best out of hleb…he will make him bloody slog out in central mid defense if you can’t shoot…. that way he will be able to play in his favored position… behind the striker..the opposition’s striker that is…he aint that fast to be ahead of him. :D

I get a feeling hleb will stay…but wenger he needs to extend his players contracts and give his older players a bit more respect than what he gives to the wage structure.

Arsenal are hopeless at renegotiating contracts. We have lost too many players because of our dawdling and tightfistedness. The cost of replacing these players and the new wages must outweigh perhaps a one off re-signing fee that does not affect the wage structure. If Wenger cannot do it all, get someone in to help! I feel someone is wasting my hard earned season ticket money.

I believe that if Hleb intends to leave the club this summer - using the ‘Webster Clause’ - he needs to invoke Article 17 by giving Arsenal 15 days notice following their last game of the season.

So on or around the 26th May 2008 the club will either be formally notified of Hleb’s intentions to leave, or Hleb will choose, instead, to commence negotiations for a new extended contract with Arsenal.

I know of at least six people who will have that season ticket off you PS7. If you really have one send me the details via YW and I will put you in touch with a buyer. In terms of football quality there is no better season ticket to have.

Old Timer, Eboue grow up? That would be great. He certainly has loads of talent. I was backing him this year, but finally had to grow up…not that he deserves all the slack he gets, but he definitely deserved some of it. However, I will defer to the wisdom of experience and hope you are right.

In any event, it is sooooo tiring to hear fans on these boards slag off our players. I was always taught that a team is as good as its weakest link, so as long they are playing for us (and even afterwards) I will get behind them and watch with satisfaction if they are able to raise their game.

Doom mongers?
We/they are all Arsenal fans.

I’m really happy for all of them especially Cesc and Clichy. Clichy is so calm and mature, watching him respond to interviews and is a real captain material in the making.

Good to have 4 in the final XI but the centre back is still stupid.

A good centre back would have delivered the title with more money flowing into the club next season.

Arsene should just concentrate on fixing the centre back and if Flamster leaves, get a replacement for him.

NEWSFLASH

Bad news

It has been reported in the blogosphere that Flamini is gone to AC Milan

Great Post and glad to see loads of sensible responses too..

Me I never give up till it is mathematically over so starting with 12 - 0 tonight lets go for it.

It is not beyond belief that Man U can drop points as they have shown in the last few games although listening to some people you would think they were invincibles although they have lost 5 times this season.

All our luck which have been missing are about to come out in a deluge!

Can any one guarantee %100 that if we get a big tall and handsome English center back we will win the title?? :)

Yes TeamSpirit, don’t forget that both CSKA Chelks & Mancs both have a crucial 2nd leg CL tie which should kill some energy and hopefully they lose some points in the league.

Flint McCullough

If, rather than telling me that I didn’t know enough about Denilson to express an opinion, you had instead asked me why I thought what I did - that he wasn’t a good stand-in for Cesc or Hleb, not yet - I would have told you, and backed up my view with examples from the Carling games this season and last. That way, we might not have agreed but we could have had a fruitful discussion.

If, rather than telling me that ‘press and blog rumours shouldn’t be treated as fact’, you had instead asked me for my source - the Daily Mail or something better informed? - again, I would have told you. In the case of the young Lille midfielders, it was a French journalist I talked to recently about possible Arsenal targets. No, nothing earth-shattering: of course he doesn’t know for certain who we will sign, but he is very knowledgeable, and what he said might have been interesting for people who haven’t followed the French league. (Well, it would make a change from the view expressed last week that we shouldn’t buy anyone French.)

The fact that you didn’t ask me any questions, you just assumed you were getting unthought-out ignorant crap, tells me a lot about your expectations and hopes for the site. As does the fact that you seemed not to notice that Passenal’s argument was completely bizarre. The team is none of our business? Eh? Now there’s an encouraging manifesto for an Arsenal discussion site! Or more likely you did notice, you just weren’t bothered by the absurdity of it, which is probably worse.

Kind of you to say I can go on posting but, given your low expectations, I’d lose the will to live. So I’ll leave you to the repressive Passenal - No Opinions Permitted! - unless perhaps it’s ‘Buy English, Sell Shirts’?

mia, you should know by now that anyone who doesn’t permanently say the sun shines out of wenger’s behind and that arsenal are the best in the world are doom mongers and have no right to an opinion and if they do they should sod off and support chelsea.

in case you didn’t you do now!!!!

and the ironic thing about it is that in comparison top other web sites the the critisisms are completely non offensive and tame.

Yes Howard. It has been reported in the blogosphere…however if you were sensible enough to have tracked the story you would find its origin in an article in the independent. An article that uses no quotes from anyone at all. Its idyll speculation.

This is the problem with the internet, too many people to lazy to stop and think.

if he leaves to sit behind gattuso and pirlo he is a mug.

Hi, Mia
I have to say I too am astonished that you think Denilson can’t pass the ball. You have to remember that he has been injured a lot, especially in the second half of the season after a very creditable Carling Cup showing. I also remember last year’s CC campaign and a league match last year - away to Everton, I think it was - when he ran the show, spraying the ball about beautifully. Perhaps I am biased in his favour as he is one of my favourites of the young uns, but I think he is going to be a star.

On the question you posed a few days ago, as to what level of debate is acceptable, here’s my answer, if you’re interested. I disagree with the views of some of the people who post on here, sometimes with YW’s views as well, but the posters that drive me mad are the kind who are ignorant, or impervious to argument or evidence, or strangers to logic. For example, some people think that when they buy a ticket or the new kit or whatever they are putting money into the pockets of the Board, not AFC, hence accuse the Board of personal greed when ticket prices go up; or they continue to insist that coming third in the league is worse than coming fourth. I would add name-calling to that list, but thankfully there is virtually none of that on this blog. The preferred weapon on here appears to be sarcasm, the art of which you seem to have mastered ;)

And to Dan, I personally do not object to criticism of Wenger as a matter of principle; however, I do object to unrelenting, uninformed or unfair criticism - of anybody.

I guess Ade’s Hatrick will not count again since it’s against Derby not Man Ure or Chelski….Hahaha

Mia,

I think you have totally misread my comment or at least the intention of it.

Other than the Denilson bit I was not being critical of you, at all.

You asked the question & I honestly thought my reply would give you at least one blogger’s view on what constituted sensible comment.

Of course I can be as wrong as the next man/woman. It is all opinion.

ps
After tonight’s performance perhaps you may wish to reconsider your view of Denilson. No he is not a direct replacement for Cesc but then who would be?

It was a shame Denilson went off, at that point he was MOTM for me.

In fact I know it was Derby but I thought everyone did well and my only criticism is that it should have 12 not 6 so maybe we were not clinical enough.

Good to see Ade score a Hat-trick although it will still not appease his doubters. He can be a frustrating player to watch but you cant argue with 30 goals in a season where he has never had a real run of games with the same striking partner.

Well done Arsenal, time for that miracle now

According to some, Denilson can’t pass the ball. Now I don’t know who do I believe Wenger & people who are in charge of Brazilian football or some major insightful amateur posters? That’s a difficult one hummmm…any help?

I’m really happy for Theo. Today’s match has proved that he’s growing in bits and bounds. He’s also exhibitted his ability to play at both wings; good for us and for his future.

Today’s match has also become clear that the centre back positon is urgent and that Gallas is not good enough.

It’s also obvious that Denilson can’t be a replacement for either Flamini or Cesc.

Come on Newcastle, Bolton, West Ham and Wigan. I’ve always thought of you guys as a (joint) second team.

Howard how many games has Denilson played for us. Flamimi was never rated even after he had played many more than Denilson. Give the boy a chance.
I think he was very good after a nervous start.

Do you think Denilson had a bad game tonight then Howard?

I thought he tracked and tackled really well, mopped up and his passing was excellent.

I definately think there is more to come from him. Will he be Flamini or Cesc quality, not sure but definately possible.

Howard?

You thought Denilson was poor?

You shouldn’t think of players, or anything, as being a replacement for one or another - they each bring different skills to the table.

Otherwise - every player you ever see put on a shirt will not match up to whomever it is you use as the yardstick.

There is no Henry replacement. No Vieira replacement. No Dennis replacement. No Smudger. No Brady. No George. No Drake etc etc

The team moves on and evolves to suit the skill set of the individuals it contains.

That is the genius of this years TEAM performance.

3 More for Ade tonight, none of them count though as they were against Derby ;o)) Nice to see big smiles on faces tonight, that is what its about, and what certain players would be foolish to leave behind.

Finally Arsene has spoken of the team make-up on Setanta Sports.

He said he’s looking to strengthen the team on the defensive side as we had little problem with our offensive play.

He said not many players will come in and that we conceded so many goals when we were even playing better than our opponents.

I’m happy with that.

At least AW is conscious of our porous defence. That fact Derby could breach our defence twice shows how backwards our defence is.

HI YW Et Al

Yes we have progressed and on very little spent. So in that aspect AW has done an excellent job for us and I will venture to agree that he is one of our best manager so far. But I can not find it acceptable that to progress from last season and not win anything is enough for the Arsenal. I will elaobrate why. Yes I have supported The Arsenal for 38 years now and we have gone thru many a years playing bland football and winning nothing. So the era under AW has been the best years of my life as a fan. But the new regime of the EPL and CL demands that you are either on top and winning or you fall behind very quickly. The gulf between the haves and have nots are growing wider and wider. The difference is that it is a world wide game now and most TV audiences only remembers the top 4 and sometimes only the top two. The game is moving away from local support ie Wigan fans being suppported by Wigan from generations t generations. It is still there but it is moving very quickly away from that. Liverpool is only popular because of their long dominance in the eighties and early nineties plus they have won the odd FA cup and winning the CL kept them on the world wide fans radar.
The bottomline is that winning sell shirts, pay per view audiences and other memorabilia and TV billings and advertisement monies. With enough monies we can raise our wage structure keep players we want to keep and be a buying club instead of a selling one. AW has been doing a fine job keeping cost low and still winning things but look at what is happening Hleb has left, the Flamster will leave and Cecs will be tempted if we do not win anything next season. Yes some has say it is due to luck but if we have big enough a squad, the element of luck may not be so telling.

This season I will accept that we are still in transitional stage and have improved but AW formula of relying on youth and going on the cheap can only be considered a success only if we finally win something. Success begets monies and as Chelsea/Manures will testify monies begets success which in turns begets more monies.
A lot of you purist will disagree but look at Chel$ki and Manures and to some extend Liverpool. They win things and have won things since the arrival of money.
I a not saying that we follow the Chel$ki model or even the Manure’s model but we need to spend substantially more in terms of wages and transfer than what we have been doing the pass two seasons to win things.

Up The Arse!!! Up The Arse!!! Up The Arse!!!

Great post, YW.
Seriously sensible perspective. A very positive contribution.

Where did we just sell our players to be labeled as a selling club? We only sold flops that didn’t make it, or great players at the end of their great careers. Others who didn’t want to stay or fight like Reyes and Diarra, or Edu who didn’t like his wages.

Bentley, Larsson and Muamba all went at their own request and I don’t consider at least the later two to be of any Arsenal value and the three were not even first team players.

You can’t label us as a selling club because we have a wage structure and don’t let players blackmail us into signing them.

I think every player at Arsenal knows the club is above them no matter who they are in the footballing world.

Denilson is neither of the mould of flamini neither cesc… he is more of anderson types for me. Distribution is fantastic.

Cesc, Denilson and Clichy(again!!!!!!) were the best players on the pitch for me. How can anyone say Denilson can’t pass the ball??? That kid was great in distribution as well as winning the ball back. He was just great!!!!!

Yes defense needs more strength…and it seems we will never win any headers…and the problem is more with gallas than with song…song looks good… just he is yet to be tested against the likes of torres or agbonlahor.

Walcott must have realised now that he needs to slow down for his own good…that 2nd goal had nothing to do with speed…he has gr88 ball control and shooting/crossing ability..which goes unnoticed with his breathtaking pace. But he needs to use his acceleration and not his speed often to beat defenders……speed or no speed he is a gr8 player. For heaven’s sake take a look at the replay of ur goal and plzz slow down.

G4E

Denilson is just okay and not fantastic. His passing ability is not in the higher bracket. I mean he’s just okay. Howver, his tackling is clumsy, the type that attracts the attention of referees, which he needs to sort out.

He’s not had much opportunities to develop but at this level Anderson is far better than him.

I only pray he doesn’t play Flamini on us; reach his peak and leap for gold outside England.

More reason why Arsene should slow down bringing in foreign young players.

I have a funny belief that all these guys, Diaby, Djourou and co will all leave after hitting their peak. They’ll demand more money and if refused, jump ship.

Just bring in matured foreign players and concentrate developing English youngsters instead.

Salute the flag Howard, I love your nationalism man. English all the way huh? :)

Denilson is learning his trade, and I would say he is going to be a great player all in due time.

And why don’t you say that the foreigners will do a Pires, a TH14, a PV4, a DB10? Why put the bad ones like the Anelkas, Overmars’ and Geo(s) before the good ones? Why always predict the doom and gloom and not the good? Is it easier?

I just think it’s just different personalities, different views.

G4E

I just realised that the whole season Eboue has played anytime he’s available and yet has not been able to score a single goal. 1 assist and 0 goal for an improvised RW is really a disgrace.

The last time I checked, Theo and Nik who have received a lot of stick have actually put in 6 and Nik 8 respectively all from the bench more or less.

Surprisingly, all the defenders have scored too. Name them, Gallas, Toure, Sagna, Senderos and Clichy? I’m not sure of Clichy but it shows how hopeless Eboue is? Arsene continue to put him in anytime above anybody else. Has he ever scored for Arsenal?

I believe Barazite is even better than Eboue at RW.

G4E

I didn’t mention those above because they paid their dues before leaving. Is rare for a local to rise through the ranks in a big EPL team and leave for another. Well, it happened in the case of Cole but is not the norm.

It’s happening with us often because of our taste for growing foreign youngsters who will eventually leave when they get to the top.

Just bring in experienced foreign youngsters like MANU does often and grow English lads. That’s the only solution.

I’m informed both Flamini and Hleb will be leaving.

It’s the recruitment policy, right? We need to change it, else the problem will persist every summer.

First of all, so glad that there’s a website for Arsenal fans to post comments, and after reading all these long comments, I found that people here are rather more polite.

I just want to talk a little about the wage structure thing. I think the reason why AW has held firm to the wage structure is because he don’t want any unfair treatment to all the first team players, or don’t want any players to have the opportunity to demand for higher wages or he’ll leave.

In this way, obviously Arsenal can control the costs of the club. Look at Chelsea, every time when their main players are renewing their contracts, see how much huff and puff are caused. If there’s anything that happens to give a blow to the premier league’s revenue, how will a club like chelsea survive (given that roman will just run off if there’s no more profit)?

Another thing is, if there isn’t a tight wage structure, what should the players’ wage be? Should Fabregas be given over 100k pounds wages per week? Yes, he deserved it. Should Adebayor get the same? Yes, he deserved it for the 30 goals he scored. Should Van Persie get the same? Erm… he’s as good as anyone in Arsenal, but he’s injured for half of the season, so he should get 50 or maybe 60k a week. How will Van Persie thinks? How about Gallas the captain? Will he think he deserved over 100ks wages because he’s the captain? What will he think if he don’t get it?

There’s just too much problems for not having a tight wage structure, and I doubt the dressing room atmosphere will be good if there’s a loose wage structure in place.

So I do support what Arsene is doing, and he definitely knows what it takes to win the title, as he has done it not just once, but numerous times. I’ll support Arsenal and Wenger no matter who leaves and who comes.

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