Posted by: Yogi's Warrior | April 25, 2008

On The Defensive And Inexperience Is All A State Of Mind

Havard Nordtveit has put himself forward as the solution to Arsenal’s defensive lapses,

Training with the first team has helped me a lot. Everybody there has so much experience, like Kolo Toure and William Gallas. I need to see everything and learn what I can. They tell me to be patient, not to rush it, do the right things every single time and stay focused on what we do… I have definitely improved because the pace of the football here is much quicker than in Norway. I have become more of a team player, my passing is getting better and I am becoming more professional all over the pitch and off it. I have improved in almost everything

I hope that one of the first things they say to him every Monday morning is, “You know that mistake I made, that led to them scoring? That is how not to defend”. Yet Nordtveit shows in his own words that he is not ready yet for first team action, he is still improving. The other problem that I would have is that unless he is almost freakish in his physical strength, the seventeen year old will not be able to match that of his opponents. The position of centre back requires many attributes but key is the ability to match the strength of your opponents and have enough in reserve to impose yourself upon them. If you cannot do that, then reading the game is going to be vital and the lad is still learning. Perhaps a Carling Cup spot might be in order but the Premier League? Not next season.

The question of experience has long been raised with regard to the current squad. Indeed, it has been used for such a long time that surely the opposite holds true. Arsene used the word ‘immaturity’ to describe recent defeats and that is not far from the truth. There was a comment a while back that suggested these players are not going to return in the summer as new men and suddenly take on the world and beat all-comers.

That is to mistake the nature of experience. It does not particularly matter if the individuals have played twenty or two hundred appearances, they will have learnt from the season’s adventures.

Technically, there is no doubt that the current squad can hold their own. Indeed, they can play any of their peers in the Premier League off the park and have proved this. Visiting Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge and Anfield, dominating matches and having the paltry return of one point is gaining experience. That they dominated all of the games yet failed to score more than one goal on each occasion in the Premier League is part of the process. Failing to keep a clean sheet in any of those matches is the same. To learn from these defeats / draws is the key.

The problem with experience is that there is nothing immediately tangible to hang your coat on. Players do not look physically stronger for their experiences merely have the knowledge of what happens when the situations arise. Whilst there are no guarantees about outcomes, it would be a major surprise that given the same set of circumstances in twelve months time, if the team were to exit the Champions League having secured their passage with seven minutes to go. If that repeats then the concerns about inexperience will be replaced with those about the mental attributes of any culprits should be questioned. Habitual repetition of mistakes suggest that the individual lacks the ability to move one stage further.

The knowledge of how to handle a situation is crucial to the desire to win trophies. Certainly, the defence have shown over the past two seasons that concentration is an issue with the number of clean sheets at home in particular being a cause for lost points. The understandings that are evident in eighty minutes seem to go missing for crucial seconds. Part of that is down to the number of changes required in the team with rotation. It is not just a new, less ‘experienced’ player coming in, it is the loss of understanding between the two incumbents that causes problems. Gallas and Toure both knew what the other was going to do before Christmas. When Senderos came in during the African Cup of Nations, it took a couple of games before Gallas understood and could anticipate what the Swiss international would do in certain situations. When Toure returned, the understanding between he and Gallas had been lost, causing a number of lapses in concentration.

Arsene has issues to deal with regarding the players’ mental strength this summer. Key to it will be ensuring that the strides made this season continue next season when to my mind at least, the rebuilding phase will have ended. The core of the squad is there; the spine of the team is comparable to the rest of the Premier League. They need goalscoring support from midfield and for the rest to stay relatively injury free, particularly in the front-line. No doubt that and the left of midfield will be positions Arsene looks to strengthen in the summer but that is his job, not mine. Vela might add options but will be a squad player next season unless he sets off like a runaway train.

Toure meanwhile has re-affirmed his intention to stay at the club. Kolo said,

I believe in this team, this club, I love this club. I see Arsenal as part of my life now. It would be difficult to leave this club, but in football you never know. The best thing for me would be to stay at Arsenal and win the Premiership again and win the Champions League. I really want to do that for the club as the club has never won it and to be the first people to win the Champions’ League you would be heroes, that is what I am looking for and if I have to spend my whole career at this club and win this trophy that would be amazing for me

Well, OK, he did not pledge himself indefinitely and this shows an awareness of the nature of his manager’s policies toward older players but at least that is one player happy rather than another future being speculated upon.

‘til Tomorrow.

Responses

TH14 back to Arsenal? Is it possbile, workable?

http://football.uk.reuters.com/teams/t4007/news/L25476130.php

Siva

Personally, I think it unlikely and unworkable. It would also be unlikely to be as successful, possibly even a retrograde step for the team given that they have shaken off his shadow to a degree this season.

YW

Yes Kolo for Captain for me, not Cesc. I dont think cesc needs to be captain. it would be just like when we made Henry captain - only done because he is the star player and to make him stay, which are totally the wrong reasons. I dont beleive you should make creative players the captain either. creativity only flows when they can focus on playing - when other roles are involved it can stifle them, so it should be a defensive player. Kolo should have been made Captain after Gilberto. he is liked and has a very good temprement.
I feel sure his poor form has been due to injury/fatigure and also playing at RB. next season he will be back to his best and is a good leader and loves Arsenal.

http://www.allgoonerdup.com/

a fu**ing brilliant read…right on the button.

i think we must keep the faith and aim higher than the average footballing sides…..that is win beautifully……if i get one invincible team in every 4 year rather than 2 trophies in every 4 year…i would be happy and satisfied with my team.

abt captaincy….lets go by options we have.

Ade- :D

Hleb,Eboue,Bendtner - :D :D

Walcott - too young and inexperienced

Fabregas - young but experienced…but i wudnt take risk on affecting his normal game…he is emotional as well…..which is a negative

Flamini - strong contender if he stays….i wonder if wenger gives him the armband from now on..it would prove decisive in him staying.

Clichy, Sagna - I dont want to jinx these supermen’s performances…..the best wing backs ever to have played the game.

Toure - Hmmmm…i really dont think he is captain stuff…..but among the few choices we have….he is a decent contender.

Gallas - leave him with just the play….he is gr88 at it.

Senderos - I still think this guy has in him to be the captain. No doubt he has to work very hard on losing a bit of weight and on improving his mobility….. and shout a bit more on opposition to up his confidence rather than sulk at mistakes…. He has to be given the chance…he IS the best candidate for captaincy for me…of course he has lost too much faith in those two pool games…..error prone…but he has the potential to be a very good leader.

Song - Inexperienced

RVP - he he his deputy would play more often than him if his injuries persist.

same with Rosicky

Anyone else - too young and inexperienced.

Wish we didn’t have to have a captain; it seems to cause nothing but trouble. The French national team did without one for a bit, having a council of five senior players instead who rotated the armband between them. That way, we wouldn’t have to humiliate Gallas by taking the captaincy away from him - surely a bad thing - or hurt Toure’s or Gilberto’s feelings by passing them over again. What about Gallas, Toure, Almunia, Gilberto (if he stays one more season), plus Cesc and Sagna to represent the new generation?

I don’t know what power the captain has anyway, beyond choosing whether we wear short sleeves or long - ah, the weight of responsibility! - but assuming it carries some kind of status, it would be good to give that status to five or six of the most deserving. Since we’re going to rotate players more next season anyway, I hope, rotating the armband would make sense. The honour would be shared around and no senior player would feel humiliated or be jinxed.

the issue of captain highlights the lack of real leadership this team has. a good captain like adams, vieira, keane (roy), gerrard, terry etc can make a huge difference on and off the pitch, setting the tone for the club.

However we simply don’t have great leaders anymore, the fact that people have even suggested giving it to flamini, who has had one good season only and won’t even committ to the club just sums it up, the guy doesn’t give a toss about arsenal and will only stay if we back down to his wage demands not out of any interest in arsenal football club.

one of our problems this year has been when the tough has got going no one on the field is grabbing the game and players by the collar and making a difference. toure also isn’t captain material.

i would say…its too ideal to have multiple captains….may be just a way to pick the best from the lot by experimenting like this…

unlike the australian cricket team…who really can do w/o a captain….i think we wud require a captain…and not multiple personalities leading the team in different directions wen the chips are down….and the chips will be down…may b in a time frame of a few minutes during a match…or mayb in a time frame of a bad run of few matches….

These situations would require one man to stand up and perform above his usual levels to pick up the team’s morale…..

i think a leader can make the difference…and a telling one.

a carefree dude like TA or even PV are the perfect ones for me… If we cant go shopping for a captain…give it to flamini as an added incentive to stay….in tht way his wages wud also be more…
thts the best we can do in the situation we r in…and wud help to sort out at least one problem quickly.

gunner completely disagree a captain should be an honour given to players who have served the club and will lead the club, not a bloody booby prize or bribe to stay at the club. the same thing happened with TH and it was a disaster. at least TH was an arsenal legend and had done so much for us and could at least lead by example as he wasn;’t really captain material. flamini has done NOTHING for us other than 25 good games (he has been off the boil in the last two months). In my opinion never has a player deserved it less than him.

i cant say tht in his delay in signing the contract he has undermined his performances in those 25 games….

wen u c what gilberto went thru w/o doing anything wrong…and ditto with ljunberg…and i wud say henry too…a player is bound to feel insecure…..he is measuring how much the club can go in securing his services…in other words how important he is…..

no fingers will be raised if he were to play another very good season…and dropped from his regular playing position for someone like merida or some other youth….is it rite then…you wud question wenger over this then wont you? was he in anyways right in stripping gilberto of his place in the team???????

I really dont think of him as highly as he himself does…but out of all (just 2 IMO) choices we have this seems to be the best fit…thts wat i am saying.

I mite be wrong….i dont think senderos to back bak..i wud like him to come back tho…..i think toure mite eventually become the captain….how he performs….well no idea untill he does…and it will be more of an experiment again for another season than flamini becoming captain…. how many of us are ready to wait for another experiment’s outcome????

they should just stick with gallas unless he is selling him and just get on with it. as i said there is a total lack of leadership throughout the team.

Hey, just wanted to come and say hi. I’m still alive and kicking. Back from homework and illness - and the heartache of course. Hope you guys are coping well and optimistic about the future like me.

Captaincy: I think just a talking-to would be enough for Gallas. I trust Arsene will handle it well as usual. Kolo as deputy. Maybe he could consider naming Cesc as another vice-captain after Gilberto’s gone. Let him lead the kids in CC or smaller games. “Trainee” for the future kind of thing.

To give Flamini the captaincy would send out completely the wrong signals similar to when Gallas got it after mouthing off in the press.

The captain has to be a guarenteed first XI player committed to the club , respected by the other players & a leader of men.

Dan is right that we lack leaders so it has to be Kolo for me which would probably mean Gallas would be on his bike.

he can not keep gallas at the club and remove the captaincy. toure can still “lead” without being captain, something however he has failed to do in the 2nd of the season already.

YW

You mentioned some positions that need to be strengthened but what about the CB?

To me the CB make up is the weakest of our defensive structure and requires urgent attention. Gallas, Djourou, Senderos have all proven to be incapable and Nordvelt is too young for the first XI.

In fact it is the wea CB structure that caused us both the title and the champions league, it leaked big time.

If Arsene does nothing and decline to bring in a bigger, stronger and mobile player then we’ll still have problems next season.

Keep Gilberto and give him his captaincy back, Gallas can sulk his way out of the club as he is sure going to after losing the armband. A leader does not have to scream/shout to players as gallas seem to think, it is how players respond to him. Just look at Gilberto’s captaincy last season and see how the team responded to him when he had the armband. He is the captain of Brazil for God’s sake

Why must we assume that Gallas won’t learn from his mistakes? Why do we assume he’ll stand still? This is the first time he’s ever been captain. He’s been heavily criticized in the media but more importantly, by his own teammates. Gallas has been on a learning curve this season as captain.

I agree with dan, there aren’t any really good choices, Kolo and Gilberto are too nice. A captain needs to be meaner. Gallas has that quality, he just needs to rein in his temperament. I think he deserves another chance simply because there aren’t any better choices. If he doesn’t show any evolution next season, then Wenger should take the armband away from him.

I totally disagree that we lack leaders, Lehmann, Gilberto, Gallas, Kolo, Flamini, Cesc and even Ade have the ability to lead in their positions. Rosicky and Senderos captain their National teams, Eduardo was the captain of Dynamo Zagreb, Denilson has captained the Brazil under 19 team. The team is full of leaders or potential leaders. What they need to do is grasp that quality within themselves and not just look to the person who is wearing the armband on the pitch.

pass, only 4 of them actually play regularly of which cesc is 20 and not yet experianced enough to be captain, gallas has mostly failed, kolo is too quiet and flam won’t be there anymore (neither will lehman and gilberto). as for ade he is not captain material either, how can you compare any of them with the great leaders of adams, vieira, keane, terry and gerrard.

According to this, Senderos is leaving and Arsene actually has a spending kitty of £64m but is trying to keep quiet about it:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/senderos-set-to-join-arsenal-exodus-815318.html

Gallas seems to have lost the dressing room after the Birmingham game - Toure said as much. Very hard to come back from that. Notice that the huddle of early season dissappeared?

And according to this, Flamini has made a deal with Milan after a supposed “deterioration” in his relationship with Wenger:

http://english.gazzetta.it/Football/Primo_Piano/2008/04_Aprile/25/flamini.shtml

We are all talking about weak centre back set up and players but perhaps we should also focus on how the team defends as a whole. Great teams defend as an 11. This Arsenal gameplan has no specialist defensive midfielder (like most of the teams deploy today) and are asked to play a very high line most of the time to squeeze the game and compensate for Arsenals light tackling capability in midfield. Perhaps the proce for that system is leaking goals - Adams and co. would have been rightly exposed with no cover in front of them

NYmarcus - I think that Wenger is looking to downplay what he has to spend and who he is interested in. I think he knows that 2-3 high quality players are required at least - without anyone leaving

Hleb gone ? So says Myles fuckin Palmer
http://www.arsenalnewsreview.co.uk/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01articleid=959&cntnt01origid=30&cntnt01returnid=42

TH14

There has been some news in the media about TH14 coming back to England with the Toons, then TH14 saying there is only one club for him in England and that’s Arsenal.

I think it is almost impossible for TH14 to play anywhere else in England. The man had the best years of his life playing for Arsenal. Arsenal had the best years when TH14 was playing for them. We as fans had the best years when TH14 was playing for us.

TH14 will always be the legend not only for Arsenal, but the EPL and England in general.

I don’t think he is coming back guys, the Highbury famous clock doesn’t go backward, only forward and we have moved along. We have our new TH14 and this time he is English, his name is Walcott, he is trying to race the time with his speed and the LPool run is our proof we never lost TH14, for now he is TW32…that might change in the near future to TW14.

G4E

ive said this before & ill say it again, arguably the best gooner blog out there at the mo. another splendid read. keep up the good work!

a gooner from wembley!

Only people who are not sure about their own abilities to lead need/think they have to be “mean” in order to lead. As such they are more visible and when they get things wrong, like gallas @ B’gham, it is all out for people to see. Gallas picked his style and screwed up. I am not saying he doesn’t deserve a second chance, but keeping in mind a person like Gilberto was striped of it without screwing up, why should he be given a second chance?!?!?!?

He has had, and still has chances since then. What he needed to do was to face up to his mistakes as publicly as his tantrum was public and then atone to it some more with do or die performances on the pitch, not turning his back to a shot he ended deflecting into his own net, or give a needless penalty at a crucial time which is worse than Clichy’s he was so furious about. I can forgive him. I HAVE forgiven him and I don’t matter. His players matters. Has he done enough to earn their trust? It doesn’t seem so. To be fair to Gilberto, he should relinquish the armband.

so today, manu get done by a dodgy pen,

I wonder how many people will say manu were unlucky, but never afforded this term to Arsenal after our loss to manu,

ironically the soft Gallas penalty was just as dodgy as the Carrick one, but I bet you the pundits won’t call Carrick’s a clear pen as they did with Gallas’ accidental handball!

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