Posted by: Yogi's Warrior | April 21, 2008

Graham Tells Arsene To Spend - Yeah, I Laughed As Well - And Some Other Stuff About Ins & Outs

One of the great things about life is the ironies that it throws up along the way. No, not the twee unironic ironies that Alanis Morrissette sang about but the full-blooded ones. Rather like, well,

George Graham
- a man who gave the distinct impression that White Fivers (ask your parents) were still legal tender when he was in charge - telling Arsene that he had to spend a considerable amount of money to catch Manchester United and Chelsea. For the uninitiated, Graham had a similarly strong base in 1991 as Arsene had in 2004, a team that blew away all-comers in the league and were within touching distance of the double. The difference is that the Scot did not have a stadium being built to improve his surroundings but still squandered what should have been a glorious future by signing players over the coming seasons of a peculiarly low standard like Jimmy Carter, Eddie McGoldrick or Glenn Helder. There might be complaints about some of Arsene’s squad in certain quarters but those with any memories of that era will surely have joined me in wincing at the mention of that trio. It could have been worse because I might mentioned Kris Kiwomya. Ouch.

So forgive me if I find it amusing that Graham is now dispensing advice about being less parsimonious and telling Arsene to ‘splash the cash’,

Arsene has got to sit down and be honest with himself, which I am sure he is…He must look back and ask: ‘did the players get tired? Why did they get tired? Did he have a strong enough squad? Were they too inexperienced to get over the white line and win the trophy? He needs, in my opinion, three or even four ready-made players, which will cost a lot of money - and that may be a problem because I don’t know if Arsenal have got a big budget to get new players in next season

All of which seems pretty reasonable. The last part in particular needs to be understood. For all of the trumpeting of this fabled £70m cash that was floating around at the end of last season, it struck me as questionable as to whether or not it was actually there on June 1st, the day after the end of the old financial year. However, that there is some available is undeniable but Arsene’s M.O. is not to buy ‘big names’ rather get players who are technically capable irrespective of their reputation. This is good but this time injuries have cost him dear. ‘Once bitten, twice shy’ ought to be permanently tattooed on his brain for the future.

Graham has thoughts on this,

Certain players at Arsenal keep on getting injured, and you know next season, the same players will probably be on the treatment table a lot. I think he needs three or four, and I think he needs three or four ready-made players, star players who are going to cost big money and big salaries, which will not go down well at Arsenal

Whether the spending element of what he says is true or not remains to be seen but Arsene has his cloth and will have to cut it accordingly.Two areas that may need addressing are central midfield and central defence. He has players in place who fulfil those roles at the moment but that might not be the case in the summer.

Mathieu Flamini has been given until the end of this month to sort out his contract or face being ousted from the squad,

We are getting close to ‘yes’ or -no’. He wants to stay and I believe him. But as long as he has not signed, he is free to sign where he wants. We have set ourselves a target at the end of April to finalise the situation, one way or the other. April is an absolute deadline because, afterwards, we have to make decisions in the transfer market. My first target is to keep the team together, but we want to continue to respect our wage structure. That is very important. Flamini has to fit in that

Flamini has used a solid base of logic for his demands, if they are indeed what have been portrayed in the media, the transfer cost of a new signing plus salary and signing-on fees although the first element is indeed very subjective. This morning reports suggest that the fluttering eyelashes of Juventus have offered him £3.5m per year (£67k per week) for running around in Serie A which puts some more flesh on his calculations.

Flamini has played one full season in his favoured role for Arsenal and it has been a good one that ought to have put him in the running for Player of the Season. Yet that is hardly a basis for going in with demands that will make him one of the top earners at the club. If this had been his second in the position and at a similar level of performance, I might be more sympathetic to his aims. He is not indispensable in the way Fabregas is; he is replaceable and you never know it might be with someone better. I have a suspicion that it will be resolved by the end of the month unless Flamini’s agent thinks Arsene is bluffing and plays a double bluff, which might be met with a treble bluff…Hold on, I’m bluffed out for the moment and need to catch my bluffing breath. Anyway, the one thing that Flamini might like to bear in mind is the case of Lassana Diarra; Arsene will not let that happen again, which might just be the incentive that Flamini needs to sign.

William Gallas on the other hand is the fox being chased by the media hunt. For six months, he was deemed to be a good captain but one emotional afternoon at St Andrews put him on this earth with a target on his back. Arsene has fed that frenzy by not committing himself to making Gallas captain next season, which is fair enough given the current campaign is not over. Replacing him in that role is fraught with dangers but they should not be enough to keep him in situ. The obvious concern is that his toys come out of the pram and the free-speaking player returns as a disruptive influence in the dressing room. That might not happen given his maturity this season but it might, making it a consideration for Arsene to bear in mind. The other concern is who to replace him with? To my mind, it would be folly to make Cesc captain at this stage of his career. He might have two hundred appearances and endured some hardship but that does not necessarily make him captain material. Nor should it be a case of simply because he is the best player. Look at the case of Ian Botham and the England cricket team – best player, bad captain. The summer will no doubt bring the answers to that as it runs its course and no doubt, there will be plenty of advice for Arsene along the way. Kolo Toure might be a better bet with the respect he seems to command from his colleagues. Plus he will probably be the last surviving member of an Arsenal title-winning team with the usual reports of Gilberto wanting to go to Italy resurfacing. The Brazilian will miss part of the start of next season again, if he remains, with his participation at the Olympics seeming to be his plans for what might be a cruel summer, and so be consigned to benchwarming duties if he returns to The Emirates.

I am off to do some totally unironic working for the yankee dollar so ‘til Tomorrow.

Responses

George Graham now lectures Arsene Wenger on buying players. Oh the sweet irony.

Of course he’s helped by some idiots who actually are talking Graham up in comparison with Wenger.

I nearly peed in my coffee the other day when I heard a radio caller talk about how Graham had a better record of wins in Cup finals than Wenger.

While it is true that Graham won more Cup finals, it is incontrovertible that Wenger has won more cups, and taken Arsenal to more cup finals consistently, and taken Arsenal to being one of the world’s biggest clubs on its own merit.

its funny actually…
btw any chance owen might come to emirates?? …his contract at nc hasnt been renewed yet.

clichy for captain!! the guy is unbelievable on the field and even better off it. he is always articulate and relaxed talking to the media and talks sense!

Don’t forget that in addition to buying players as poor as McGoldrick etc., the youth acadamy provided us with such “talent” as Selley and Hillier.
I’ll take Wenger over Graham anyday.

I think wenger needs to buy a captain or two. maybe wenger likes to buy players that dont answer back too much and dont give him any problems. might make his life easier when dealing with fewer ‘personalities’ but the team needs leaders all over the pitch and Arsenal lack that. Flam is one, but I seriously think he will leave. he has had quite long enough and there is no conceivable reason for him not to have signed his contract other than waiting for better offers from Italy etc. now he has that offer, he has to make his mind up.

I believe Toure is crap! I have seen enough crap from him this season! He is just not good and that is why we need another defender, thus he should not be a captain!

Gallas is not good enough to be captain.

The problem is that we dont have anyone big enough with strength and presence in the team.

I think nesta from milan can be bought and made the captain.

Again gallas has to be relieved of the captaincy!

Where would MU been if not for tevez and the other signings? what abt liverpool with Torres scoring goals for fun?Actually bf Eduardo was deliberately injured,Arsenal could have at last found the fox in the box. Mind you his goal record aint too bad.
i think the conspiracy theory has it merits.Decisions were not favourable to the gunners. Add to the injureis and the razor thin squad it’s no wonder Arsenal have underperformed since the injury which is a shame. Now we will never know what Eduardo could have done to boost Arsenal.
My only wish is for birmingham city to be kicked to the championship. I don’t trust the blues manager who could have taken our the Brazilian to please his ex boss.
Birmingham for relegation.

brilliant blog Yogi Warrior as usual. I’m a regular reader from Uganda,East Africa, where a certain Kris Kiwomya’s parents come from.Ouch.
Yes Flamini should sign the deal. He should not hold the club on ransom.But I believe AW has that figured out well. The most likely replacement is Song. If Arsenal fans saw how he played at the just concluded Africa Cup on Nations, we should’nt be very worried. How about against the Blackburn Rovers in the Carling Cup.
I dont foresee AW buying already estblished players. He will go unknown quality players who are technical enough to fit in our style of football.
But the biggest task AW has on hand is to keep that team together. It was awesome against Blackburn. Keep the faith.

Arsenal for the PL, to win their remaining matches and Chelsea and man U draw all their remaining matches…

Sadly that wont be enough… Man U has to lose one and we have to score loads of goals.

12 - 0 at Derby wont be bad.

I know am ever the optimist, but it cant be helped. It is in my character…

We are not really that far off when you look at it critically.

I meant ‘awesome against Reading’ on the weekend. Keep the faith.

Flamini made so much effort to be good. Naturally is an average player but with hard work is a very good player. in other words he can be replaced. Actually we also said he should be offloaded after the previous season when he was used as a utility player, palying in all sorts of positions.

ifff we had won those close games…liverpool away, birmingham…and one of the other draws…we wud have been home with epl…

the iff game is gud to play…but i stick to my team iff fab and wenger stay…rather iff wenger stays…rest can go to hell….anywhere other than emirates is hell for me.

Congratulations on your headline, yesterday YW.

Interesting to get GG’s views.

To be fair to him, I don’t think he was given the funds in the latter part of his term. In fact there was not a lot to buy at the time, because it was the period before the better foreign talents could be tempted to England.

In his early years he made really effective purchases but in the end I think he may have been pressured, into some mistakes.

That is ironic because it is exactly that which he is applying to AW, here. Even so GG is probably halfway correct.

AW has said it was a strange time last week, so he may have been a bit more open with his comments than he intended.

For me, his comment about the captaincy, is not something he would usually have said. It could be that someone is coming in, who would be captain material, & that Gallas will be replaced both as a captain & player.

I agree that it is too early to consider Cesc, mainly because he is too important to us & should not be given the extra burden, even if he wanted it.

Cesc for Captain!!! Mature, Intelligent, Approachable and most of all Likeable! This guy could and should lead the new generation of Gooners! Who cares if he is young, TA was only 19 when made Arsenal Captain. If you look at the after game interviews Cesc is more often spoken to by the medai than Gallas they know who really runs the team. I dont for one minute think Cesc would be more burdened by being captain I think he would revel in it!

For heaven’s sake not Clichy or, even worse, Cesc: the captaincy is jinxed! For that reason we should pick someone we can afford to lose after a season or so. I’d go for Toure, lovely bloke and very hardworking, if not the brightest. Trouble is, if we buy a top-class centre back - OK, big if - he could be a squad player next season. What about Almunia, well-liked and could be replaced by Fabi anyway within a couple of years?

Is it possible not to have a captain?

or mayb a goalkeeping captain??

almunia seems to be very captainistic to me….
or mayb song….
mayb adebayor… :D

one thing i dont get is players “confronting” the manager over lack of playing time…walcott precisely..

I mean what else can you expect when u r at such a big club like arsenal…. one main reason is lack of real quality strikers…in which case they mite feel a need to do more to reach that same level….but watching ade miss sitters…and bendtner the king strolling the park almost all the time…its hard to take….true.

wat are the alternatives?? go away to blackburn/portsmouth…to get playing time?? no medals…..its really foolish to think a bit of playing time will resurrect anyone’s career. Lets see how many medals bentley wins and how many theo…if he stops his petty cries.

i think the culture needs to grow….we need to be bigger as a club and more powerful…so tht we dont have to bear the snub of any flamini over 65k wages….insane really.

go to juve you will know…..hall of famer who almost won something.

leave gallas as captain please expect mhe is being sold

How many seasons must we go through the new captain issues.

Part of what this team needs now is stability.

Season b4 it was Henry Gilberto.

then it was Gallas gilberto toure…

Lets just leave it at that.

It is his first season as captain. he also is a human being and can learn from the past

Clichy will be a good captain. But I really don’t know why AW is making this public when he wants someone else for the captaincy. I think Gallas did really well, scoring key goals as well as motivating the team. We’ve lost only because AW didn’t want to spend any money to double up key positions in the team. Even Gallas was also tired for playing nearly every game this season. I don’t like the idea of AW in naming captain our best players. He should have learnt his lesson with TH14.

Are the majority of people posting today drunk, or is it just me that either cant understand half of them, or thinks that most of them are the stupidest things i have ever heard???

Regardless of wether GG spent money in his time or not, he is only really saying what we all are thinking.

We all agree that to really challenge next year Arsene needs to buy…

A centre half, some cover in midfield if Flam leaves and a winger.

And maybe a GK.

Good performance on Saturday though - shows what removing the pressure can do… and playing a team as bad as Reading.

Shame they will probably go down, thats a nice little away trip that one.

I actually think there’s little need for a Captain. I think the role is overrated. Leaders are leaders and their leadership shines through in their game, and in their character, whether they have the official title or not.

This is one thing I don’t agree with Wenger about. Giving so much weight to the position might stifle real leadership. I’m with Gareth Southgate on this one.

Don’t appoint a Captain, just encourage leadership behaviour all across the field. We especially need leadership upfront. Someone who’ll pull along the likes of Hleb, Ade, Bendtner and Walcott. But it’s a double-edged sword because hiring a player just for leadership could take us to Henry Part 2.

1) Ian selley wasn’t that bad - i think the broken leg and gangrene may have limited his progress- he was a lot better than Hillier - the crappest version of makalele ever.

2) How can we not have a captain?! That’s just stupid! Who could talk to the ref without getting booked? I do think perhaps a more stoic character than smiling billy may be the option. If flim flam wasn’t such a mercinary he would be a good choice. Cesc wouldn’t be a bad choice. We’re not exactly overrun with candidates.

3) Walcott’s ’showdown talks with wenger’ were nothing of the sort - the actual quotes imply theo wanted to know what he had to do to get in the team, wemger told him, he implemented these as best he could and is starting to get into the team. Sounds like a great staff/ manager relationship!

At the end George signed shit but dont forget he signed Seaman Bould Dixon and Winterburn for under £3m.With TA the greatest defence ever.

Reading have easier fixtures than most of the others. Birmingham or Bolton look to have some tough fixtures. Brum have also lost all their form and confidence. it looks to me that along with fulham, Birmingham will go down and unfortunately Bolton will stay up. i’d rather go to St Andrews next season than the Reebok.
Fulham will go because even if they win 2 of their 3 remaining games (which are hard fixtures) they will still go down.

Graham signed some great players (defenders, esp.) but I’ve never been able to forgive him for selling Rocky.

He is also very wrong about AW buying estabished big names. We don’t need big names. All we need are quality signings like Sagna and Eduardo.

I’m sick and tired of Flamini’s little game with the club. I’d love him to stay but Wenger shouldn’t have to waste his time with this bullsh!t, he’s got a lot more important things to concentrate on. Let Flam go—and let him judge for himself the rate of success that other Arsenal players have had once they’ve left the club.

As to Gallas, few people seem to realize that this is the first time he’s been captain of any team. He’s never done it before. He went into the job enthusiastically thinking he could do a fantastic job and has, along the way, done very well and made some mistakes. That’s what is called learning-on-the-job.

He has been on a learning curve all season long. He did very well for over half of the season, somehow all of that is totally forgotten. None of his solid contributions as captain are deemed important anymore.

Isn’t it possible that Gallas himself is capable of evolving as captain, learning from his mistakes? His commitment, passion and dedication can’t be questioned. He is a fanatic about winning, so much so that it gets in the way of his perspective at times.

I didn’t like it when AW chose him over Gilberto, I was furious actually. But over time I came to accept that it was a good decision because Gallas is a warrior whereas Gilberto is more laid back.

As for replacements, clearly Kolo should get it, tho I think Flamini would be a fantastic choice too, assuming he’ll stay. No one marshalls the troops on the pitch more than Flamini.

yes brum should go down.. those cunts.. its karma..

Arsenal is bigger than any club and that we can’t pay Flamini more than we pay Cesc or even Adebayor and Hleb; its not proper. I agree with Yogi on this one he’s replaceable and have a lot of players breaking in that position.

We have Diaby,Denilson,Song,Gibbs,Randall, Lansburi and Barazite. We can’t afford to pay through the roof; if Juventus is calling then he can go.

Other fans were saying that we should meet Flamster’s demand. He’s delivered for us only in a year and we can’t afford to pay that much at a time when we have to bring in at least 3 players, in positions like CB, wing and striker.

Talking about striker why not Benjani? He’s fast, has good tough and excellent passer of the ball, he’s also selfless and good finisher.

If he hasn’t scored many goals then its the team, he’s better than Ade in my opinion. Watching him play all the time he’ll score tons of goals for us. He’s a 28/30 goal scorer a season in a team like Arsenal. If not, Arsene can consider Jones of Sunderland; another goal poacher in the wrong team.

Arsene should also snatch Richards.

“Talking about striker why not Benjani?”

Because, according to Pompey & Man City Fans alike, is only up for it when it suits him, is often over weight and to make matters worse is immobile.

He had a decent game yesterday, but even the commentators remarked how Citeh fans must be please to see him pulling his weight for once!

Same for Jones, big strong but lumbering and clumsy. I refer you any match report anywhere on yesterdays game.

Basically both players you expect to see give the Arsenal defence a tough time, because thats the sort of players we always struggle with.

NYMarcus, on Rocky: if memory serves correctly Rocky had suffered a serious knee injury, this was why Graham offloaded him - he struggled to get in the Leeds team of the time I recall, I think he made but a handful of appearances in the end…sad,sad, sad.

Sorry;I wanted to Arsenal is bigger than any player and not club.

Josef K

Get your comments on Benjani and Jones but for all Sunderland, Pompey and City games I’ve watched, I’ve seen them as very good strikers especially with Benjani.

I think in terms of skills and finishing, he’s street ahead of Ade and he can only improve under Arsene. Arsene with his man-management skills and his ability to handle African players can easily convert Benjani into one of the great goal poachers in the premiership.

It’s his management skills that has converted a player like Ade even rejected by Monaco into now one great goal scorer even though with very serious drawbacks. He did same for Oppong Wea of AC Milan fame when at Monaco and don’t forget our own TH14.

I’ve fallen for Benjani and his partnership with Ade/RvP/Dudu/Nik will just be what we need. Again, he can score 28/30 goals a season for us with his finishing abilities.

Are we that bad? The last time I looked there was only 7 point between the top 3 teams.Dont believe all the crap the media is feeding you about lack of strength in depth n Arsenal not cutting it! Arsenal just ran out of fit first team players to feild!You only have to look at wut promising young talent is coming out of the academy to see that we will be laughing for years.

People are saying look at Torres. And too right he is an absolutely awesome talent.But he’s hardly goin to win the EPL alone without a good time behind him is he.Which Arsenal is. Had all our players been fit I distinctly feel we would all be singng a different song.

Others will say look at Anderson,Nani and Hargreaves,Scholes,Carrick n Giggs. How many goals have they scored between them ….6. Gallas n Senderos have scored just as many! So lets not panic. The EPL is getting closer every season.

Diaby got injured AGAIN in the reserves match with wet spam. Seems he will be out for 2 weeks. Djourou also got injured but his was in the warm up before the game. I think we need to feed them on some weetabix.

I really feel for Diaby, every time he has the chance to make a name for himself, he gets injured! Injuries have been the bane of our season, it’s about time we get a change of fortune.

not again!!!!!!!!!

why do we only have “classy and glassy” players?

i somehow get the feeling tht we r going to have michael owen this summer…. his contract hasnt been renewed as yet.

Man Utd’s Ronaldo has said : ” Only trophies will prove our qualities”. It’s simple as that. Arsene Whinger has said ” we have quality, we have quality” but no trophy yet

Matthew Wade, all good points.

Does anyone think that as we are struggling to pick a captain from the team, maybe that reflects a problem with this season. Perhaps that reflects the inexperience Wenger said we were lacking in recent big games. Great teams may have a great leader, but more often they have great leaders - a good mix of experienced strong characters across all lines who can lift the team. I think that is where we are headed. In 2 - 3 years (again within this squad) we will have some great candidates. The experiences of this year will put us in good stead.

I think for now (within the current squad) Gallas is the right man. He is new to the position and has made some mistakes but he has also lifted the team in some key games with his winning mentality (e.g. Chelsea & ManU at home).

Many people say we need to give Adebayor time to improve his conversion rate as a leading striker or Theo should be given time to develop into a first teamer etc. Surely, Gallas should also be given another year to learn from his mistakes as captain.

Throphies are the only basis to measure success and its the only way the financials improve. Chelsea now rake in more money by shirt sales than us because of recent success.

To be ahead in January and an opportunity to fix the squard problem and still to rely on ‘glass’ and average players is bad enough. Its the same players who’ve been injury prone the previous years, so Arsene should have been in the market as advised.

The so-called quality foreign XI have once again been outmanouvred by so-called poor quality English driven teams. Lessons must be learnt that all our winning teams have been a combination of local and foreign players.

Weak squard strength resulting in 1:5 to to the scums down there and 0:4 to MANU is a disgrace.

Poor defensive capabilities which was identified way back in the summer and which Arsene did nothing to resolve. He rather kept faith with crap Djourou and Senderos as back-ups.

The failings of Gallas has been glare for all to see and the result of CL defeat to POOL and 1:1 results in matches that we should have won a la Aston Villa and Boro games.

Blame Arsene Wenger for his faith in non-performing foreign players who can’t sit on the benches of any of our competitors a la Senderos and Eboue.

This year should be Arsene’s last chance to bring in something. Otherwise he makes George Graham’s record as much as good. If he continues his foreign XI policy then he can’t revive the pre 2005 seasons which was based on a combination of foreign and local XI that brought in trophies.

Eboue would probably have played a full season at right back for ManU. And if you think Sendo is slow you ain’t seen Pique!

Fergie would have bombed out that cheater Eboue long ago Wenger is too soft

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