Posted by: Yogi's Warrior | March 25, 2008

Arsene On The Defensive, Flamini & Jens Can Solve The Problem

International week normally affords some reflection and wish to see players return unscathed. That still stands of course but looking at the number of other Mancunian clubs, whose key players have suddenly developed mysterious leg injuries, I kind of wish that Arsene would pull a flanker every now and then.

Reflecting on the defeat at Stamford Bridge, Arsene is clear where the problem lies,

We played quite well and were in control of the game. What was left to Chelsea was to play long balls, and we did not deal with that well enough

The substitutions undoubtedly had an impact on the game but the centre of the defence was not cohesive for either goal that Chelsea scored. Problematically for Arsene, it is not a new issue for him to deal with. Since his return, Kolo Toure has not been as solid as he was before the African Cup of Nations. Tuncay caught him out with a run as Aliadiere did with Gallas for Middlesbrough’s goal at The Emirates last week and they were both found wanting by Didier Drogba. With a lack of cover from the centre of midfield for the first goal, it exposed their frailties.

Both ‘Boro and Chelsea scored from long passes into dangerous areas which with the flight of the ball and the time it was in the air, suggests that the problem is one of concentration. Short of giving Gallas and Toure a DS Lite with Brain Training, it is hard to see what the solution is because it is a matter of application rather than being purely down to ability.

Arsene suggested that the squad remains united,

I feel the spirit in the team is fantastic…I do not believe that we had any confidence problem today

That is probably quite true but as an outsider, I would have to suggest otherwise. Five Premier League games without a win, the defeat on Sunday making their title aspirations very dim indeed, are bound to affect confidence. In their regular communications with the media, the squad all echo Arsene’s sentiments but regular underperformance will have a negative effect.

The support in the stadium is lifting to them but they are in a rut; it is something that they need to sort out quickly because failure to do so would see their efforts this season go unrewarded. We may believe that they deserve to win something but that is not enough; football’s history is littered with teams whose efforts merited more silverware than they won.

Mathieu Flamini spoke of the ongoing contract negotiations at the press conference ahead of France’s Euro2008 warm-up with England. He re-affirmed his desire to stay at the club and backed up recent comments from the manager and Keith Edelman that the two parties were talking and things were going well in that respect. Arsene backed that up by hoping that deal would be sorted in April.

Ordinarily, I would have expected gnashing of fingernails or venting of annoyance that the player for not signing the deal, ‘greedy’ being the usual adjective that is applied when these situations arise. This time though, criticism of the Frenchman has been muted simply because there is a realisation that whilst he has not been badly treated by Arsene, it is only this season that his worth has probably been proven to him. For him to commit quickly to a new deal for half of a decade is naïve, especially as it comes less than a year after threatening to use the FIFA Regulations to buy-out his current deal due to lack of action.

Speculation links us with every Tomas, Ricardo and Harald who is under the age of twenty-one or as in The Observer on Sunday, that Team Flamini calculate that it will cost Arsenal up to £20m to replace him hence they are looking for a £75k per week deal because the speculator’s math adds up that way. It would be nice though if the timescale mentioned were to be correct to save us from a summer of ill-informed speculation.

On the subject of contracts that run down, Jens Lehmann has been talking of his future post the European Championships. Speaking at the press conference ahead of Germany’s friendly, he said,

I don’t know what I will do after the summer…It depends on whether I get a good offer. If I do, I might play on another two years and if not, I probably might retire. There is also the belief that I can still win something here and be part of it

This would prove to be a decent short-term solution for Arsene but perhaps not for Lehmann. Were the German to remain at the club, it presents the opportunity for Fabianski to gain more experience through either the Carling Cup or perhaps even a loan deal whilst having experienced cover in much the same way that United have dealt with Ben Foster’s injury interrupted development.

Of course, it would not be Jens if there were not a slight dig involved,

It is very difficult particularly when I see the performances on the pitch

Who knows, it might not have been a dig at Almunia but a hint to Arsene that the solution to his current central defensive problem is not that far from his sight…

‘til Tomorrow.

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Responses

That’s the problem with Arsene, he doesn’t cheat on anything and think that every one has good morals as he is. Fergie the scum comes up with fake injuries almost before every international game and no one says anything. We send RVP for one game and he gets injured for 5 months.

Confidence will be dented and I just hope it will not effect the CL games, but that’s also not guaranteed.

Patthegooner, in response to your comment yesterday :

”My god the Doom Mongerers are out today

Funny how you only appear after a bad result.

I agree that we need a couple more players but seriously Dan, Marcus and the rest, where did you honestly think we would finish this season?”

Where did I think we would finish this season, well I certainly didnt think we would head up the table for the majority of the season and was thinking we would most probably be 2nd or 3rd behind Man U, I didnt think we would be gunning for the title and at this stage of the season didnt think we would be in the title race (if we really still are?). The problem is, that in itself is the problem.

Why are Arsenal fans not expecting to win any more? Why dont we go into the season expecting to challenge for the title?

Patthegooner, are you happy starting the season without the belief of winning. Why are we not setting ourselves out to win? Why is everyone saying, well you would have taken this at the start of the season. NO!! I was unhappy at the start of the season, after finishing consecutively 4th (and only just) I was unhappy knowing we had a weak squad, our best striker left and we still had gaping holes in our squad, little competition for places and NO experience in the squad. There was no chance in my head we were going to go on and lead the title race for so long, and yes we have punched above our weight this season, but two things:

1. Why do Arsenal fans feel we are punching above our weight to be leading the title race? Surely we should feel we are meeting our expectations as one of the richest and successful football clubs in the world. Why are our expectations so low these days?

2. People are saying we are not out of the title race and still have the Champions League, yes we have, the season is not over and strange things happen in football, however in my eyes we are not going to win the title, we had the opportunity and we have blown it. To say we are still in the Champions League is true, but there is a long way to go in that competition. We have been thrashed in both cups by our arch rivals, have thrown the league away and are pinning all our hopes on the hardest club competition in the world. All in all despite all the optimism throughout the season at the end of it we may have nothing again, is that what Arsenal Fans want? Why cant people be frustrated that we are not doing well, so many Arsenal fans feel content, are are happy to be ”building a team” and ”in transition”.

A question to all of you, when does this transition become a faliure? I am not saying it is a faliure now, but the question is there…..

Almunia is a nut - especially the 2nd goal by Chelsky would have been kept out by Lehmann.

I think it was unfortunate that Wenger tweeked the defence Senderos and Gallas had looked very solid until Kolo returned.

Should we be happy this run has come now rather than at the beginning of the season when we would be struggling to make up ground on the Champions League places?

This season has seen an improvement on last but have we moved that far ahead of our competitors, Man Utd look better and Nani and Anderson will continue to improve, Benitez won’t rest Torres next season and Spurs will be much stronger. Add the solid improvement of Aston Villa, Everton and Blackburn and I fear for the future. Song, Diaby, Denilson, Traore and Djourou have not had the match time to make significant improvement this season.

I hope the club think long and hard before putting ticket prices up for next season!

while the second goal was very difficult to save it was saveable. but that doesn’t mean Almunia is a twonk. its not like it was an easy save to make. he knows he could have got it at full stretch and with some luck but on the day it didn’t happen.
what was worse was the defending before it. that was far far worse than the goalkeeping.

I said before the season started, along with others, that despite the brilliance of Toure and Gallas, there is a lack of height in the centre of our defence and that they will always struggle against power strikers like Drogba and Davies. this remains the case. Senderos CAN deal with those balls but his athleticism lets him down when the ball is on the ground. for me the answer is Djourou. he is over 6 foot tall and is super quick and is very comfortable with the ball at his feet. his problem is with inexperience and concentration, but I think he just needs a season in the team. I am sure he will prove to be a better player for us than many people think.

I was chatting with a friend last night and we both think that Flamini is the single most important player to the Arsenal team right now. his chasing harrying style is virtually impossible to replace should he leave. wenger has found and developed a real gem there and we should be doing everything in our powers to get him to stay.

Good questions Marcus, and I will answer to the best of my ability because I feel that I’m one of the people your comments refers to:

1- We feel we are punching above our weight because we knew we are building a team from scratch and on limited resources/budget. Based on last years results, we didn’t feel this team matured enough, or gained enough experience to challenge for the title against already made, highly priced teams like Man Ure and Chelsea. My question is, if you agreed this was the common view of %99 of the fans and pundits alike, why now you don’t like what we have done? We fought for the title till the last 8 games. We have done better than every one expected us to do this year. If you agree to that, then next year will be the decisive year to say this is not working. I for one, would be expecting some trophy or trophies or I will say we need to change the course.

2- I was the very optimistic till the Chelsea game, but now, realistically the effects of the defeat will resonate in the league for the reminder of the season, unless Man Ure & Chelsea get struck by lightning during their game and they can’t play the rest of their games. The CL is a 50-50 chance, you can’t say if we will win it or lose it. but winning the results of two ties (4 games) to reach the final seems possible than a must win 7 PL games to win the title.

You can not change the rules in the middle of the game because you didn’t like the outcome. Most of us before the season began said this is not yet our year, why are we upset now, we should be upset next year if we didn’t come good.

That doesn’t mean we should not buy additional players if we find the right fit with the current squad.

G4E

Strictly speaking….
if we lose it wud be due to lack of depth. and the injury to dudu.
btw does anyone have any idea if bothello is joining the first team next season??

G4E, I completely agree with you and the experience the boys have gained this season will prove to be invaluable, I also agree that unless we win something this year or next serious questions have to be addressed!!

One thing I dont understand is on the financial strength we now have and the money avaliable to us for transfers why is Wenger still so bloody minded about buying players. I know it is Wengers way but I cant help feeling this is becoming more of a personal experiment than about winning football.

I understand what you are saying about changing views mid way through the season but I have not been happy all season so my views have not changed, I genuinely have spent the whole season saying we are not going to win the title despite our postition. I have been saying our squad will feel tired at the end of the season and we dont have the depth. My view has not changed because we have lost, I was unhappy that Wenger did not strengthen in the summer and really believe we are paying the price for that. I couple more signings in the summer and we could have won this season. A bit more depth to the squad and we would have done it. Instead, in my eyes we have asked too much of our team.

It is good though to hear someone as yourself G4E who believes in this building a team from scratch concept put a timeline on it. You are the first person I have ’spoken’ to address it honestly. I agree with you, if we win nothing this season and then next season, Wengers experiment is a faliure.

Aziz Ibrahim

yes your right he might of kept out the 2nd goal but he would have let more in throughout the course of the game , almunia made some wicked stops ! and without him we would have been looking at 4-1 instead of 2-1 …

Ballacks free kick would never have been stopped by the jen’s old legs ! give credit where credit is due . Robinson let in 4 the game before , alumina is the way forward !!!

Marcus

Interesting question. When does the transition become failure? Answer: When you win nothing.

However, it is not quite that clear cut. Perhaps the first question ought to be: When does the transition end? My answer to that would be this is the final season of the transition.

The Invincibles will have been more or less dismantled with the exit of Gilberto and Lehmann. They are no longer regulars anyway. The squad that replaced them will have a minimum of one season and more likely between two to three seasons regular first team action. That is enough experience for the misnomer of ‘kids’ to be dropped.

When next season kicks-off, there can be no excuses about inexperience, etc. That is not to write off this season because it has been a vast improvement on the two preceding in the Premier League.

As to whether people are content with not winning trophies, I do not think that is the case. People are more tolerant in that they accept that the rebuilding process is being done with a long term view, sustaining the process rather than the spiral of continually buying players without space to develop your own.

YW

Any criticism of Almunia is unwarranted. Yes the second goal should have been kept out, but ball should never have gotten that far in the first place. Almunia have been our most consistent performer this entire season. No one wants to point a finger at Fabagas, he has been shit the last 10 Games.

And lets all remember - there are only 4 trophies you can win - and nobody has a divine right to win any of them.

Man U have proved themselves to be stronger than us over the course of the season, so you have to grudgingly concede the title is going to a worthy place.

Its not easy to win the title, and while we have made improvements this year, we have been unlucky with some key decisions at vital times, and some bad injuries.

At the same time, we can all recognise some shortcomings with the squad, and we can all but hope that Arsene has seen the same, and decides to do something about it in the summer.

I dream of the day we sign Micah…. ;-)

HI all you Coco the clown lovers. Ballacks free kick was shit and even I could have saved it, what else did he really have to save, the guy is all over the place and he makes the whole area very jumpy. Twice he was asked to come and get the ball by Clichy and Billy but he was napping. Is that not the first free kick he has saved all season. He is clueless and over 30, how is this the way forward. Jens rarely lets in free kicks because he is usually in the right position before it is taken and so is HIS wall. If you compare him with that fat tosser down the road then we really are in trouble. Jens got done for making 2 mistakes at the beginning of the season yet Coco Canizares in disguise does this evey game. When was the last time we had a clean sheet. Boro 1 shot 1 goal Brum 2 shots 2 goals.I would see us with CL winners on our cv if it wasn’t for this clown, both goals let in at accute angles as I remember. How do you get to call this clown our most consistent player. He went walkies against the Mancscum do you remember this guys. The Mad Bad German is at 38 still one of the best keepers in the Prem. We need more than anything else a great keeper. Then we will win the lot

The trouble with Arsene is that he is so strong at the club - there is no one there who will ever question some of his decisions. He seems convinced that he will win the premiership title and the Champions League by building a team mainly from youngsters he has brought in when they are 15/18 years of age. He seems frightened or reluctant to bring in more mature experienced players into the squad( with the exception of Sagna and Eduardo) because he feels such action will be regarded as betrayal to the young players concerned. I think most fans accepted this action when the club moved to an expensive new stadium but now are puzzled why ,with money to spend, he has not bought a couple of top quality proven stars to boost our very small squad. Unless he changes this policy or bring in a stronger-minded assistant, there is no way we will be able to compete with Manchester United, Chelsea,Barcelona and Rio Madrid for future honours. Tony Adams as an assistant is not afraid to express his views and would give a valuable input to our awful defensive problems which seem to cost us valuable points every season.

Hi matt mate. Answer this please, when was the last time any of the media said this is how to stop the Mancscum ? most of their games are easy because they are not allowed to be tackled even and when they are then the other team are dirty. Every game we play even Chavski away is played with us camped in the other half with most of their team behind the ball. Lets see the Mancscum put up with this all year. I thinks not. They have to many allies up North mate.

The only criticism I have of Almunia is his reluctance to catch the ball. Twice in that second half he elected to punch, when under no real challenge from the oppo. One of these ultimately resulted in a goal to the chavs, as the ball came back in, when it could have been kept by Almunia.

I know that it may be a foreign keeper thing, but it can and probably did, cost the team. That’s my only real criticism of him.

Isnt the whinno at Mancscum overpowering at his club yet you say they are superior to us hmmm. Yes Big Tone would be good for us but we have Bouldy at the club and he was every bit as good as Tone. How can defenders practice arial football if they don’t do this in training. We shouldn’t give up on our football ethos. The mancscum had a bunch of kids come through together and are still reaping rewards now so have patience. The season is far from over yet. If there are better players out there for sale than we already have the AW will buy them. Have you seen Hargreaves setting the world alight up there? wasn’t it predicted that he was the signing of the season.

G4E, people are unhappy simply because we now have the money to buy players to take us that extra step. we didn’t a few years ago and i don’t think anyone would have complained. there is no point in money sitting in the bank when you obviously need reinforcements on the pitch which there is nearly 100% concensus of opinion that we do.

secondly as to when does it become a failure, if we end up with nothing and finish 3rd 10 to 15 points behind not unlikely the way things are headed, then at the end of this season we need to see a chnage in stategy. to go into next season with pretty well the same group of players next year will be criminal in my opinion.

as for the experiance we get this year argument, maybe the younger first 11 players have, but not the second lot. as ethan has said many times and i fully agree with, we can not bring on all these young players at the same time, djourou and senderos, diaby and denislon, walcott and bendtner, hoyte and traore they will never get the playing time required to take them up to the level we need them to be. and therefore when they come in they are simply not up to the task, that is the fundemental problem with wenger’s current theory and why if we don’t buy experianced players to supplement the 1st team that can come in do the job, we will continue to be also rans. half the names above should just be sold as we are not going to suceed on the pitch trying to bring them all up at the same time.

matt’s point is also true, there are only four cometitions, yet we only try for two, the hardest two. for us to be successful we need to start winning things and yes that included smaller domestic cups to keep things ticking over and leaving less pressure on having to win the league or CL to have any silverware, which when you think about it is ridiculous. wenger is making “success” so much harder by only targeting those two competitions with a squad that is full of inexperianced players.

it is madness in my opinion and as a fan completely and utterly frustrating.

Marcus
as G4E states, our expectations have been lowered temporarily due to rebuilding. Fergie also had 3 years 04-06. But, you are right to pose the question, when does the transition end?. I’d agree with Yogi, next year there can be no excuses. These are not boys anymore and we do need a handful of signings

This might be blind faith but never give up until it is mathematically impossible. We might start playing with less anxiety and win at OT. The other 2 draw at the Bridge and… It’s not impossible, but depends on the belief in the squad. There are reports of unease in the squad with Gallas’s leadership. It wouldn’t surprise me if he went. Arsene is protective and supportive if his players but he needs to be more ruthless with a few of them.

Dan
I think your last point about the two cups is right. They ease the pressure but also build momentum and winning mentality. However, Wenger’s record in the FA Cup is good. Was 4-0 the turning point?

Portsmouth have signed a few good players and are a tougher propostition this year. But Harry’s most important signing was Adams. He’s not manager material yet but would love to see him next to Arsene. Has anyone seen Pat Rice open his mouth recently?

jamie,

three years ago wenger gave up on the FA cup and we have done crap since then. if you look back we lost to Bolton, blackburn and utd in the past three years all playing weakened teams. the record prior to 2005 is now irrelevant. he clearly stated this year that it was not a priority, which at the time and again now i think is a disgrace for a club of our size and stature team who haven’t won anything for three years and utterely disrespectful to the fans that pay good money to go watch the games.

i don’t think the man utd FA cup game was the turning point for the league, i think eventually the lack of quality in numbers in the squad was always going to kick in at some point. they did great to keep it going as long as they did.

El Tel,

I dont think we can argue that the fact that Man U are above us is down to referee’s bias in their favour.

If you look at it objectively - they have been a more effective team than us this season - they have scored more goals - conceded less, and have more points.

Thats no coincidence.

It is clear we need to add some physical power to our defence, and we need to add some depth to the squad.

Will Arsene realise this too?

I hope so!

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/03/25/sun_sets_on_wengers_way_as_a_r.html

Interesting article here too - i agree

The question of when does transition become failure depends, of course, upon what the purpose of the transition is.

I don’t believe the purpose of transition is to guarantee the club winning silverware season after season.

I think it’s purpose is varied: to lower the average age of the team from what it was; to make space within the squad & team for up & coming young players to make their mark; to perhaps lower the wage bill; and above all to keep the team consistently and seriously challenging for silverware, both at home and abroad, as well as ensuring qualification for Champions League football every season too.

But there is nothing inherent in the “transition” of a squad or team - no matter who they are or what club we’re talking about - that guarantees silverware can be won, and I think it would be a misreading of the situation at Arsenal to draw that conclusion.

why are most of the fans commenting still living in cloud cuckoo land they refuse to accept our squad is not good enough they still sing at highbury about the worst striker in 15/20 years saying give him the ball and he will score WHEN WHEN WHEN also I am getting fed up with all the WENGERSPEAK not giving the right reasons for not winning to win matches you have to score goals and more goals Fergie has a go at his team for not scoring enough goals WENGER never I suppose after Sunday Tony Adams will be banned from Highbury for speaking the truth on television, as Smudger Smith was for saying what he felt in a newspaper article a few years ago

“El Tel” - Your speaking like Lehmann didnt make mistakes last year. Set pieces and corners and long shots. That was the only way we conceded goals last year. And those types of goals mainly have some goalkeeping error involved.

Lehmann is not good at anymore. And he wasnt good last year either.

Man Utd game??? 4-0?

Look at all the goals again…watch closely. ALL Lehmann errors.

G4E,

I don’t agree with you on many points. You are saying that the fans will be asking questions to AW only next season if we win nothing.
I say no, because I don’t think AW has done enough to replace key players we’ve lost last six years.
We’ve lost Wiltord(big match winning winger), Berkamp(all-around player, striker and assist), Kano (top team destroyer), Petit(Top passer and ball winner),Viera(top midfield), Overmars(top winger), Pires(top winger, but mostly box finisher) and TH14.
Players in since: -Reyes(he was good, I can’t blame AW for leaving).
- RVP(good player, but inconsistant and injury prone).
- Hleb(excellent player, but very few attempts on goal).
-Rosicky(Good, but too lightweight, unable to achieve 35% of games per season).
- Eduardo(the only cool finisher of the team since Berkamp).
- Adebayor(uninproved striker, good technique, but too eratic; needs to improve his passing and finishing).

The big difference between the two squad is that the former was very intimidating by their size and our players have never been object of recent horror tackles on them on a regular basis.
This current squad needs to do too much before earning respect from any other teams from the league at the moment as the result of their lightweight presence that makes them feel intimidated. This, in my opinion is a serious issue AW needs to sort out, because the consequences are enormous for the club. The referees cannot stop the game every two minutes for every fall on an Arsenal player; that’s why I believe AW needs to retrieve this missing balance which is in my opinion the reason why other are able to plan dirty tricks against us to make us drop points.
We need some steal in some vital areas of the team; than more inclusion of english lads in the first team in order to get the FA off our back through the ref.
So, I don’t think this team is not ready to win anything; the squad just needs a physical balance to look intimidating, as psychology plays an important role in football.

it’s irrelevant what fans had expected at beginning of season, nor what fans would have expected 15 years ago — fact is, we were 5 pts clear less than 1 month ago

[final] analysis therefore should be around why and how we came from that position, being top of the EPL, to where we are today

* depleted squard - why? injuries - sure; what else?

* style of play - what’s imperfect/ really missing?

* individual performance - team performance reflects that; who underperformed? why, and what should/ could be done about it?

* … and so forth - and until these are answered we are not going anywhere seriously

as G4E states, our expectations have been lowered temporarily due to rebuilding. Fergie also had 3 years 04-06. But, you are right to pose the question, when does the transition end?.

Fergie didnt win anything due to the chevski money machine ! It took them 2 years to realize you need to spend like them to compete with them !

when will we learn?

Our problem is not based on a expectations being lowered, if that was the case we would not have been leading the ladder for 90% of the season !
Where we fall short is Experience !!!! - class …
To go that extra mile when the season draws to a close ! To turn draws into wins against average teams, to show the mental discipline to kill games off ! To pool upon experience and leadership throughout the squad ! … You cannot expect kids to have that sort of background with only a handful of years under their belt at the top level !

Thats why i thought if we won the C.C , we might of got that much needed boost ! I think you can attribute our slump in form to about that time …

We need someone who can score goals ! its that simple ! we would not be talking about NEXT YEAR
if we had someone who was banging in goals !
we would still be leading the race !

its that f###### simple !!!

Our team has done better than most !
if we got more goals , no one would worry about the defense !!!

i think its a tough call to say you didnt mark drogba well ! same could be said about sagna’s goal , why wasnt someone on the near post for chevski during a set play ??

Its a hard task to mark drogba ! thats why he is ‘class’ thats why he plays for chevski ! ! we always had to score more than them to win ! and we dont have the output ! ! !

defenders are on a hiding to nothing , they never get glory.. that have a dirty job .. when they are solid they arent recognized and when they F### up they are victimized ! use your scones !

you can complain like little girls that gallas didnt mark drogs but really who can mark drogba ?

Getting 3 points was all about scoring more than them !!!
and you only have to look at chevski’s last home game as proof ! how many goals where scored in that game ???

8 !

the two squads are no where near comparable, we had DB,TH,RP, FL, Sol, PV all in their prime we had 6 or 7 complete world class players at the peak of their careers, today we have 20 year old genius who is over played and over relied upon and beyond that some very good players but no where near the old team. clearly it is very hard to replicate those wonderful players especially when we had so little money to spend, however the current lot are not a shadow on the 2004 team.

Damien a good point mate. Yes Lehman is on the rocky road and we did concede goals from st pieces. Mancscum away. Wasnt the 2 full backs mainly to blame ? they have hardly played since and wasn’t it his first game for ages. Did he not have arun of clean sheets after this game ? My point really is we need a new keeper

Ethan,

I agree with your point that scoring more goals than your opposition makes you win matches, but at the same time, if you have a top defence (like Man U) and dont concede many goals - then you dont need to score AS MANY to win games - and can win games 1-0 when you are not playing well.

Man U and Chelsea can both do this - at the moment - we are too weak defensively - which combined with not scoring is a recipe for disaster.

I agree we need a player who can turn a match on his own - like Ronaldo - (IMO we should of signed Ribery), but more importantly we need some physical power at the back.

Broken record time from me - but we should pay whatever it takes to get Richards - he is going to be the best centre half in the world for years to come.

gazzap, re djourou being our answer in defense: the problem is that djourou has repeatedly said in the Swiss press that he sees himself as midfielder. He doesn’t feel he is at his best in defense. Of course he could change his mind about this but his quotes have been pretty adamant.

The problems have been there for sometime -

1) Weakness in central defence, especially the lack of height - inability to deal with high balls. Besides, Kolo’s form has also declined somewhat.

2) Arsene’s reluctance to buy experienced qualities is beyond me. Why, all the other top teams reinforced their team, while arsene continued to rely on mainly young players. This is cruelly exposed when the team is plagued with injuries.

3) The team’s style be now is almost predictable - any opponent can basically guess our tactics with endless passing. All they have to do is park 8-9 players in front of their goal, and arsenal will find it hard to score most time. Arsenal hardly shoot on first sight.

I’m not sure why eboue is still 1st choice.

matt
i know sometimes throughout this season and especially last year the defense was shaky.
But chevski is living proof Vs spurs that they can be broken down with some good strikers in berba and keane . they conceded 4 goals and very nearly could have been 5 + more ..

Man U are a defensive team that hit effectively on the break ! Its not great to watch so we really need to score more , or end up like them if we follow that prototype .. I do agree we need a defender i said we need one of each at the jan. window
1 striker 1 midfield (winger) 1 defender (mainly during kolo’s absence ) but 1 injury in defense and we see instability ..

But what im talking about is ‘this season’ while we still have an outside chance .. on the day the other teams want it more than us it seems ! It takes us to be a goal behind before they show the determination that they should have throughout the game .. its inexperience …
We are going through a 9 year low goal drought and this can make you think the defenders are letting too many in ! if rvp got one and ade got 1 goal , the defenders could breathe easy .. the problem is both wing backs push up also ! holes will appear , to be exploited .. but not scoring is kicking us in the bollocks every time !

i really think it is healthy for the club that debates take place and that the media do start asking questions and that some pressure is put on wenger, as he is too powerful and needs to be held accountable for the clubs failures as well as the sucesses.

matt

i spose what im trying to say in a nut shell is we dont play that boring sit back on defense style of game..

A better team like man ure or chevski will always get there chance to score on us .. We just need to score more .. its our flamboyant style of play that can undo us ! intercepted pass , a john terry picking on one of our less stronger lads causing possession lost ..

and if you want to talk about possession lost there has been plenty of that in our final 3rd that leads to these counter attacks !

not to mention any names !!!!!

Ethan
I’ll engage with you as you aren’t throwing insults around.

The problem is do we have that sort of money to throw around? Dein obviously felt not, but what is the alternative, a corrupt former soviet communist party member. Can United continue as the Glazers are getting the club to pay off the family loans which is what’s happening at Liverpool. I’m not denying that we need to spend money but this alone is not a panacea. Benitez has spent 50m this year alone. Does he have a strategy? United are looking strong but was 35m on Hargreaves and Carrick good value. Fans of all three clubs have reservations about the way they are run.

We need to spend but not a complete overhaul

sucesses??

dan when ? :)

on that subject i haven’t heard g4E say

ade… ade…. give him the ball and watch him score… for a while !

i think that is the problem in a nutshell !
nothing to sing about at the emirates !
I for one dont care who scores some goals !

JUST START DOING IT SOON !

On a lighter note - has anyone seen the supposed new kits for next season?

I have to say both are really nice - and the away kit is a modern replica of the ‘89 away shirt, and looks really good!

I hope the pics are real!

ethan, you can not ignore the achievements on and off the field for the past 11 years. arsenal are completely different club than they were when wenger arrived, he has done an unbeleivable job and we are only now in the position to compete with the best due to what he has achieved over that period. my problems with him are that football has moved on dramatically in the past 4 years and he has not moved with it, he has a pet project (that was forced on him originally but is no longer relevant) and is taking the club and fans along with him. i think if he can not change his ways and adapt then we will be left behind. i also have the problem (and this is not his fault) that he has become much too powerful and that there is no pressure on him any more and that is not a healthy position to be in.

as for ade leave the guy alone. he is young improved greatly and can not be blamed for the fact the squad is too small, the other forwrads have been injured all season and that he has been asked to play up front by himself half the season. he has a long way to go to be the finished article and he certainly needs to learn some humility, but to blame our demise on him is ridiculous as without him we would be fighting for 4th.

good to hear jamie !
(its only g4E that presses my buttons )

Well theres always that 70 million war chest arsene has confirmed he can spend at any given time !
Now the big question is .. is it a hoax ???

Ive often thought it was .. And to answer the 2nd part
We are dealing with arsene HERE ! i have the greatest respect for his purchases … Hleb - rosicky (qualities there even if he’s constantly injured ) . And the past , the likes of PV4 TH14
pires , freddie + more …… Im sure he wont squander it all on one player .. Im sure he also has enough players in the wings to make another 10 million this year selling some.. eboue - bendnter/ade-
plus all the young ones like traore etc..
Im not saying he will sell anyone of them 100%
but im sure he must make way for sunu and vela gibbs etc.. its a handy bit of cash wenger makes every year from buying and selling …

my choice would be ..to Fill the gaps … nothing more … 1 striker .. a proven goal scoring machine .. he doesnt have to be 22 … he could get Eto part swap with eboue if barca is truly interested in him .. any one of the dutch or german national team strikers .. huntleear or someone like him wouldnt be bad ..

1 defender .. someone who is good with a few years left in him .. matt said richards before .. and id go along with that , even curtis davies .. just a class backup for gallas and toure .. sell one of the swiss players .. its unfair to stunt them any longer .. they should be playing every week at there age ! id be p@ssed off if i was one of them …

and a winger .. ben arfa is being thrown around at the moment ..

which raises a good discussion topic ..
arsene recently said this on the arfa topic

peaking with French TV programme “Téléfoot” on TF1, the Gunners chief said:

“If he is for sale, then we are very interested, “He is a great player and Arsenal is a potential destination for any great player.”

IS THAT TAPPING UP ? i mean your planting seeds in this young lads mind of playing for arsenal .
he has over 2 years to run on his contract ..
Arsene you naughty boy !

don’t talk to me about hleb arsene! or cashley !
its definitely unsettling for this lad …surely !

this is a great blog if any hasnt been there
http://youngguns.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/wenger-confirms-interest-in-ben-arfa-signing/

lc

You missed a very big chunk of my post there mate. After those ancient but great teams and players you mentioned, our strategy changed to match our ambition of building a new stadium while building a new team on a very limited budget of young players, that by the time we start feeling the effects of the stadium money-wise, those players should be on the verge of becoming yet another great team.

I have no doubt knowing how Wenger is, that there is at least a long plan from the time we started building the stadium and the team, to when exactly Wenger thinks the team can actually and forcefully challenge for titles. He is just not going to come out and tell you, we will not win anything for 4 years. You have to understand that even building an already made team like Man Ure’s took 3 years to build, so if you are building a team from nothing, I think you should expect it to take longer.

To say that Wenger doesn’t want to buy players is stupid and not true. He bought Sagna and Eduardo very good players (or does anybody think otherwise?) He just didn’t buy enough players and that can be only due to either not finding the players he wants (Not the flashy ones we want). No one heard of Sagna, or even Eduardo before, yet they’re two very good players for great prices that Fergie & Chel$ki would only get in their dreams.

Some of us will have to eat humble pie & some of us will have to take the Chill Pill.

sorry dan i thought you mean’t recently !
since he re-signed and even since the last piece of silverware ..

the cupboard is dusty mate !
and will be for some time to come unless things dont change soon i fear !!!

My pipe dream is that RVP comes good and we secure the last 21 points on the board !
theo needs to play along side RVP for the rest of the year and ade comes on at the 70 minute mark to get back some form !

If arsene gets tough and does this i think we have a plan B !
theo needs some games under his belt before the season ends ! he would work excellently with RVP if given a go ! for 2 or 3 matches !

Drogba is a ram, and defenders of that caliber can defend against Drogba. How many goals he scored in the ACN? Not many, because defenders played against him were strong in the air, have the physical strength, and have the speed to put him in his place.

So if you put Gallas in a lane next to Drogba, Gallas will be left in his dust in all aspects.

ethan you also have to give huge credit that despite the lack of cash we have remained in the top four and reached the CL final something the previous teams didn’t manage. you are too quick to dismiss these big achievements. it is from now however that he needs to take us back up a level with the resources the club now have. we may not know how much of the 70m is available but their financial statements clearly show they have lots of money. they don’t need to spend 70m and and have enough young and not so young players they can also cash in on to supplement the cash available.

by popular demand, this song is dedicated to:
(you all know who)

Adebayoooor, Adebayoooooorrr

Give him the ball, and he will scooooore. (Some time next season)

dan
yes that was my meaning before . i think 35 million is enough ..
10 mil defender - 10 mil midfielder - 15 mil striker..

I mean once you sell ade and eboue you should at least get a fiver ! :)

and then you got a few other youth players chipping in .. you should not have to take too much from the club kittys really !

Hey did i say ive dismissed arsenes past accolades ?
no ..
but you know when things go pear shaped they dont come into the equation . its business …

Look at raffa , takes them to win the C.L and the scousers love him in year 1 .. a few years later most are calling for his head ..

I don’t underestimate how much arsene has done in the past… the signing of TH14 is enough to right all wrongs alone !!!
.. But im saying in this current climate and over 7 EPL managers getting the axe this year .. arsene is one lucky guy to not have the board sharpening there knives .. 3 fruitless seasons of re-growth .. something needs to be done ! AND SOON !
maybe the money wasn’t there before, but it certainly was there in January !!!

sometimes all the good things V’s bad things start to equal out over time …

G4E
yes drogs was 5th top scorer with 2 less goals !
than top goal scorer eto ..and not bad considering IC was knocked out .. and played less games than eto (cam.)…
well you definitely can see who scored on Sunday cant you ! (and who didnt)… john terry made ade look like a Nancy girl !

im glad you added (Some time next season)
least theres some hope for you !

nice to c blokes getting on for sometime atleast..

@ethan
yup thts a gr8 blog..thts wer i read about pedro bothello who is on loan to salamanca…
anyone knows wether he is coming bak next season??

I hope there is some hope for you to Ethan. Take the Chill bill or get in touch with your pipe.

Ade will score 19 next season, but hopefully there will be other players around him to score as many each. We wouldn’t be in this mess.

-bill
+Pill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBY_Nn8LfKI

jus like that……feeling a bit fabsick :D

Cool one G4L

Well nice to see we all agree LOL

This team just needs a bit of maturity/proven talent added to the squad.

Queresma would be good, ben arfa, benzema any of thes players have either the maturity of proven class to play and are not like dennilson/theo/diaby who are not yet good enough.

G4E,
What I am trying to tell you here, is that our short coming is not down to the age of the players AW brought in, but their lightweight shape and a lack of home grown first team player.
And I am backing this up, as Anelka joined us when he was about 19 or 20; Henry about 21, Viera about the same age and Pires about 22.
And we had enough english base players to make sure we are not seen as a foreign team wearing an english team shirt. AW has destroyed all these values to do things his own way. And since then, no trophy and we seem unable to cope with anything come March, the month we have been out of everything on a regular basis. This can’t be down to luck. Last four years, AW has been purchasing too many lightweight players and we are not winning as the result.

When you answer this question for me, LC, Dan or Howard, I will agree on English players.

Why is it that English players are more expensive than foreign players? If you really want to promote your local boys, don’t you think you should sell them at a competitive price? Or even lower than foreign ones?

For example, the mid-class American car here is cheaper than a mid-class Honda, Mazda, Toyota etc., this way the local car is more affordable than a foreign made car. That makes sense.

But England wants to sell their players for double the price and half the quality of a foreigner..how is that makes sense? Only a fool accept this deal, or someone who doesn’t care about money like Fergie and Roman.

G4E

adebayor is suffering from the samson affect!!!!!!!! someone get ade a f**** wig!!

I think we are fighting against the gods! we were never going to lose untill sagna went off!

why did he not bring on senderos? why did rvp start when clearly not fit? a couple o mistakes by wenger i think!

without sagna we are sh** !!!!!

Agree with you Duke, without Sagna we are sh*t at the back. He covers a lot in the middle of defense for high balls, once he was out, our defense was out too.

i think maybe we should get rid of gallas!!

the guy made a complete fool of himself and arsenal by his antics at birmingham!

THIS is where the title was lost,it was a classic keegan moment, a show of vulnerability and mental weakness! never have i seen an arsenal captain act so ignobly! ok it was an emotional day but he is supposed to set the example, and then we have the slagging off of theo! and now he is probably saying arsenal are shit and why did i join them!!

G4E

its not his goal scoring i doubt its all the other aspects of his game that is the problem .. the off sides , the coughing up of possession , his lack of passing to team mates , made very apparent in the bendtner incident . And his failure to produce the movement with RVP as a partner ..

Rvp likes to pass get into space and shoot ..
without this movement RVP is wasted being on the pitch ! If you look at his 19 goals only yes its a reasonable tally ! But considering the amount of possession the team provides him its quite a poor ratio of conversions …

But yes lets hope he learns from the rest of the team and starts to refine his skills to be .. lets say more arsenal like !

Then i dont have a problem with him !
I still think we should try our best to get Eto !
Eto is precisely what arsenal needs currently ..
Only problem with that he is playing well for his team currently and i couldn’t see them letting him go .or him wanting to go . I think we missed that bus last season …

But with dudu out for an unspecified amount of time i pray arsene will see some common sense and get a replacement .. Who knows if poor old dudu will ever recover from this injury .. Not just psychically but mentally .. He could be another reyes waiting to happen if he does turn good again .

G4E
i spose its like buying a toyota from japan that maybe cant take the climate and the conditions,toyotas do work well in hot climates …
you just cant tell if those cars will take it in the snow or leak in the rain or even ‘go at all’ for that matter! Where as you know a GOOD ENGLISH CAR WONT need to adapt to those conditions as they were made here …

Also the clubs in this part of the world are the richest pro rata, so you price them up because they are a scares commodity , and if the bigger clubs want them they will have to pay for them …

then you get players like torres,nani who still aint exactly cheap either but not really tested in our conditions .. So i suppose best to buy locally if you dont want to gamble like arsene !

You are getting desperate if you are blaming Almunia for the defeat. There is only one player to blame for our recent form and you seem to think that he is Gods gift so there is no point in harping on it

btw..i dont get it…
wenger says eboue is a natural winger….man even i am a natural winger…it doesnt mean he is a gud winger.

evone(mayb except wenger) knows that we dont have gud wingers….most of our players like to play direct….wats the reason we stick to a wide midfield….cant we play something like 4-3-1-2…
flamini-fab-song/gilberto
hleb
ade/bendtner/RVP-walcott

wont it perfectly play to our strengths ..like the tremendous work rate of both clichy and sagna wont be stopping occassional crosses……..and we wud put the opp under immense pressure not to forget hleb can be played in his best position and so can be walcott……

is it too much for a manager to change….?????

I wish i cud say we will win the title….but if we look at how we played and how utd played..i dont think they deserve it any less than us…forget the amount they have spent….hargreaves was a follish buy in terms of value for money..but he has added tht much impetus to their defensive play as well as free kicks….ronaldo is at his prime i feel…he cant get any better than this…anderson, nani all r very ritely played in their prefferd positions…

Arsenal on the other hand started the season as potential 4th place finisher….doubts regarding henry, new stadium, fabregas, flamini etc..major major doubts…considering al these things the boys have done marvelously well…..

But one think i have noticed is tht the only reason we r plagued with injuries is tht firstly the nature of game has bcome more demanding than wen the invincibles played…much more demanding///and secondly thr is no really big presence in the midfield or back four to dominate plays in periods wer others can breathe a little….ev single player on the field has to be at his best for the whole 90 minutes….and to add to tht too few quality players on bench…..
plz i beg fellow fans not to hold players accountable their commitment has been outstanding this season….if we lose it will be due to lack of depth and nothing else.
gunner4life

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