Posted by: Yogi's Warrior | March 16, 2008

Disappointing Is Entirely The Wrong Word, Arsene

Arsenal 1 – 1 Middlesbrough

0 – 1 Aliadiere (25)
1 – 1 Toure (86)

Sent off: Mido

If you are of a nervous disposition, perhaps now is the time for you to start a regime of regular changes of underwear. Never do anything the easy way when you can make it hard for yourself might well be the mantra that pervades London Colney. A fourth consecutive draw in the build-up to ‘Super Sunday’ is not the best result to have achieved against a struggling team but always bear in mind that whilst one point is not as good as three, it is better than none at all.

Post match, Arsene said,

It’s a very disappointing result today for us because we dropped eight points in the last four games. When you’re in the race for the championship, especially when you have the opponents we have, that’s a big disappointment but we have to keep belief, spirit and focus for the next game.

‘Disappointment’ is not a word I would have used but his sentiment is correct. Having a run of four draws at a crucial point in the season is shall we say, poor timing especially if you consider that those eight points dropped would make ‘sealing the deal’ happen

Of course, we can point to an atrocious refereeing decision that disallowed a perfectly good goal by Emmanuel Adebayor. The Assistant quite rightly flagged for offside as he could not have seen through the bodies that the final touch can from George Boateng. The referee on the other hand was stood no more than five yards away with an uninterrupted view of the passage of play.

Wait a minute, here is Arsene with the reason it was disallowed,

The referee explained to me that the intention of our player was to play the ball to one of our players, who was offside, so the deflection of the ball doesn’t count anymore. I didn’t know that but, at least I learned something today

Well it is true but I would contend that Halsey was incorrect. The offside law states that,

Gaining an advantage by being in an offside position includes playing a ball that rebounds to the player off a post or crossbar or playing a ball that rebounds to the player off an opponent having been in an offside position

The key word is rebound; it is intended to prevent a player deliberately kicking the ball against an opponent to set up a ‘pass’ to a colleague who is in an offside position. Boateng won the ball cleanly and had powerfully enough to divert it into Adebayor’s path. It was not a ‘rebound’. If Sepp Blatter wishes the officials to be seen to have the footballing equivalent of Papal Infallibility, he needs to help them in much the same way as the Pope’s Boss assists him. The wording of the rules are such that they can be, and indeed are, interpreted in many different ways and that is unacceptable. The law used to be relatively simple but now it is convoluted beyond belief and indeed so subjective that one wonders if it is any use any more.

There would be little argument from Middlesbrough that they escaped with a point. Were it not for a mixture of some wayward finishing, bad luck and good goalkeeping, they would have been buried.

It would of course not be an afternoon of pure frustration if there were not a stonewall penalty decision that went against Arsenal. Step forward the ever-accommodating Mark Halsey to provide more proof for those who believe officiating to be at its poorest standard since the 1970s. I might be wrong but I always understood that if a defender impeded an attacker in the area it was a foul, ergo a penalty. Obviously, I am wrong. David Wheater had his arm across Emmanuel Eboue’s shoulder and forced him to the ground. For all of the Ivorians failings and like us all, he has many, even he should receive due reward when fouled. It is totally baffling to watch some decisions being praised.

Eboue had one of his better afternoons, probing and industrious on the right in midfield and defence once Sagna had been withdrawn. Indeed, I do not think anyone played badly more no-one was inspirational and at this stage of the season, this is what you need when the results are going against you.

By this time dear reader, you are probably beginning to think, “Hmmm, the big fella’s a bit frustrated”. Well, yes I am. However, if you think my ire is completely directed at the officials, then it is nothing compared to that which is directed at the heart of Arsenal’s defence for the manner of Middlesbrough’s goal. Quite simply, it was an abysmal one to concede.

If his team-mates had been admiring Cesc’s long pass that Adebayor narrowly failed to convert into a goal minutes earlier, Mark Schwarzer took the lesson to heart. Rather than an aimless punt upfield from an undeserved free kick – if Adebayor fouled the ‘Boro player then Eboue had to be given a penalty – he passed the ball into Tuncay’s run.

Aliadiere might have been offside ‘technically’ but he was not ‘active’ in the ‘first phase’ of the rules; the Turk crossed into his path and he finished with some aplomb. The question however is begged as to why Toure and Gallas were so slow to react to the runs? It was a schoolboy error and reminiscent of many frustrating afternoons last season. Purely down to a lack of concentration. It is hard for Arsene to legislate for this sort of moment in a game; to me it is just disappointing that two of the most consistent campaigners this season were party to the incident.

Once the goal went in, the familiar pressure arrived. Chances came and whispered a fond farewell. Woodwork was struck (Eboue) or scraped (Fabregas). The young Spaniard was probably an inch shorter than needed to lift the ball into the net following Alex Hleb’s exquisite pass as the game wore on. In the end, the equaliser arrived from a Cesc corner, Kolo Toure heading in off of Schwarzer to salvage a point. The mental strength the players have to not allow defeat happen is commendable; it is the concentration before that which requires some attention.

Before the doom and despondency descends – too late in some cases, I know – it is too soon to declare the title remaining in Manchester. There is no points deficit to make up, merely goal difference and any advantage that United have can be wiped out with a victory at Old Trafford. The small matter of Chelsea arises before then yet with this squad; you know that the bigger the game, the more they rise to the occasion. That strength is also a weakness for titles are won on the small games. The match at Stamford Bridge might be more interesting than previously thought for if they win and United lose, a three way tie at the top on sixty-seven points emerges with all three having played the same number of games. As it is, it will be us and them trailing United by three points.

The concern I have is that the team are in a small rut and require some inspiration to remove themselves from it. Goals are proving hard to come by and it is a flipside to the early part of the season when everyone was scoring. Well, OK, not relying on Adebayor to do so because he was injured. With RvP getting more pitch minutes to shake off the rustiness, this issue will hopefully be addressed. It will take time for he and Adebayor to regain their understanding but next weekend would be the ideal time for them to gel.

Keep the Faith. ‘til Tomorrow.

Responses

wenger,tell the boys time bad,we to win league and champions for us to survive.from kenya.we have atleast to win a cup this time round.thanks.

is febregas over rated? He seems overrated for me. For the past 2 games he miss 2 easy chances when he’s being played in? Adebyhor seems to be really poor in passing.

isn’t it time you started having a go at wenger bad substitutions and not knowing when touse them throughout the season mourinho and ferguson know when to use subs thin squad people like hoyte bendtner and eboue not p-remiership winning class adebayor scores lots against derby etc 1 in 19 in champions league i think wenger has given up on league didn’t get his off his seatyesterday always making excuses i wish some of you blogs would start criticising and not keep saying arsene knows another season without a trophy and he says we do not neet to buy i disagree

I think the root of the problem (again) is that apart from Ade we have too few that score regularly.

OK admitedly RvP has been out, Eduardo was taken out at a time where he seemed to be improving, but let’s face neither Rosicky, Hleb or Eboue are going to get 10 goals plus per season from wide positions.

Excellent report Yogi, its a black weekend/month for all of us but we all have to keep our heads, and keep the faith. Since when have Arsenal ever made it easy? This team can bounce back in the big games, they’re going to have to.

I really think this team can’t play smaller teams that play for the point. The reason is not because we take them lightly, We play the entire game in their 18 yard box and end up last year defeated, this year with a draw.

The reason we play better against big teams is because big teams in most cases want to win the 3 points too. They come out at you and it works both ways.

The Invincibles used to bury the first chance they get to force these small teams to come out, and once they do, they get torn apart. This is not happening with this young team…at least not yet.

We became a very easy prey for these small clubs because they sit back, we forget ourselves and attack with 11 players in their 18 yard box, and they get us on a one counter attack…and the rest is history.

The point system should change to 3 points if you win, and nothing if you draw or lose….That should force the small teams to play attacking football, but that means many teams will be relegated.

It is really frustrating.

I posted this late yesterday in reference to Clichy and I will post here again because I want every one to remeber.

***Mark my words***
Not so long ago a player got his leg broken, today Clichy’s head was going to get cut off his body, and not before long a player is going to get killed on the field in England. What makes me sad, that it’s all happening to Arsenal players and always seems to be ok because it’s Arsenal.

Again, if this was an English player on the receiving end….”and” from an Egyptian, Mido’s
head would be hanging in Piccadilly square by now.

F*uck the points, f*ck the title, I just don’t want to see a player I love get killed in front of my eyes.

F*cking FA morons.

G4E

I think we do not have a chance for any title. The team has fatigue and guys being played out of position. No 11 and 7. Since pires de coach has never seen the need to buy no. 11.

blimey

I believed we lost the league right from the draw against Wigan. The team just doesn’t seem to be creative these days. No sense of urgency in the team.

Also Traore and Hoyte not good enough. They should be sold off.

Funny to turn up when we are not doing so well Ethan?

We haven’t been doing so well since i left truth be known ! Infact its taken all my strength to not come back earlier and blast you !!
for all your abuse you gave me !!!
The problem has been our forward line ! Always has been and will still continue to be ! Until it is addressed .
Like ive said before ronald macdonald could score goals in our forward line with the amount of creativity we possess ! We just need a SEASONED striker to make good on those chances .. a torres or ronaldo .. not some unknown 1 dimensional player !

Walcott is never used , yet he is the only driving force we possess going forward … We cannot compete in all cups and win the EPL also , it takes a squad the size of chevski or man U to compete properly on all fronts . The sooner we are out of the C.L the better , or our title push will keep doing the slow slide south ! … As for G4E , your lack of knowledge in the game is retarded. Your lack of vision of our squad is even more so !

Told you so … what more can i say.. Ade aint the answer and the sooner the ball coughing gunner is replaced the better , Our lack of striking options is solely responsible for our slow slide south !
NO GOALS - NO POINTS !

Ade will score more goals , because arsene hasnt got anymore options available . but how long will it take for arsene to realize RVP + walcott is the only saving grace this season !
( a statement i made in NOVEMBER !)
Ade is the one to use as an impact sub . NOT walcott ! his game has to fewer dimensions and is solely responsible for disrupting arsenals possession and passing game !
He is frustrating to watch and always has been !

He is not the answer !
so
***Mark my words***

and G4E dont respond to me because ive got no time for one eyed groupies , you just babble the same noise as countless others here . No vision ,no opinion, nothing enervative to offer .. stating what has happened as against pointing out what should happen ! you offer nothing ….

Keep the faith indeed!

Good post.

If you’re going to quote, quote the whole thing or are you embarrassed of the truth?

“Funny to turn up when we are not doing so well Ethan? Where were you? Celebrating the CC with your real club I bet.

Ade still Ade, the one scored 19 PL goals this season and just because he didn’t score in the last few games….it doesn’t mean he is a bad player overnight….only a “retard” would think this way. Did you get that Ethan? or do I need to explain more? Go support your team, they are not even in the top ten.”

You are so narrow minded, that you always blame the failures on one player. If Walcott or Bendtner are so good, why aren’t they scoring a sh*t load of goals in the time they played?

Who was good against Boro? I can’t find one player in the team that was good…in fact the only one that did slightly better was Eboue, the one who was being attacked yesterday by your double. So why blame one player?…the one you don’t like…..the one you made a fool of yourself when he was scoring, and you suddenly turn up because he didn’t score in a few games?

I reserve the right to respond to any one bad mouthing the club and players, I will just save myself a few key strokes typing your name.

Wow ..we always dropped point againsts weaker opposition..and this time around from relegation threatened..plus i think we are very unlucky..

i watched chelsea yesterday..sunderland were better team and deserved to draw ifnot win..

united will definitely drop points..but we need to find luck…to grab those chances..and when ur following the leaders it is very difficult..they can afford to slip up we cant..

gosh if we survive april without much disaster this title race will definitely cliam some faint hearts..

Get a grip.
We were written of at the beginning of th season and are still challenging despite many injuries and poor decisions. Let’s get behind the team and drive them on to the premiership and champions league wins. They’ve done really well despite all te setbacks.

Well we’re all going to come across as moaners. My biggest disappointment is that now it’s going to look like all those idiotic pundits had half a clue what they were talking about. They didn’t but after one draw they declared Arsenal were in crisis and free fall-

It’s going to seem like moaning but we’re in a negative environment in which nothing seems to be breaking for us.

Come on Arsenal! Prove this guys wrong. Do it for us fans!!

I’m despondent and seriously doubting that we can win the title now. But some of the comments on here are sh*te. Fabregas overated? F**k off Owen.

The usual susppects are defending Mido but he deserved to go, why? Because if Taylor deserved to go even IF it was an accident, then does it matter whether Mido was looking at the ball? It was reckless and dangerous.

If a player scores a goal, surely he’s intefering with play.

No individual is to blame, it’s a collective lack of confidence. Nobody is taking responsibility and ‘having a go’.

Finally, cut Eboue some slack, I thought he was our best player, Hleb picking the wrong time to have a dip in form, one good pass.

Thank f**k we’re playing Chelsea next, a team who will want to win the game

disgusted. Pathetic useless bunch of chokers.

Has anyone noticed that Gallas appears very quiet since Birmingham? Previously he would be urging the team on.

jason is right , i blame wenger , rvp out for ages , rosi can,t stay fit so he does,nt buy in jan !, now are wingers are diaby , cesc and now toure for gods sake !! poor sub decisions ie birmingham 2 . 1 up minute to go and bring on denilson and gilberto ,( bless him )and take off hleb ,lose the ball and concede . pathetic , i am sorry to say .best stadium , shallow squad , 70 mill in the bank !!!!!!
well thats just fucking great is’nt it . here,s a good idea . lets let rvp play a dutch FRIENDLY and come back erm, suprise suprise injured !!!!!!!!!!!

what are you trying to prove G4E?
i think your the narrow minded one for stating walcott or bendtner have scored less ! less time on the field obviously equals less chances to score goals ! ! !
But im sure if walcott was on for the whole 90 minutes the story would have been different last night !

And the only spurs fan must be you ! as you seem to devote a lot of time talking about them … And in all honesty currently spurs are very similar to arsenal , you never know which team will turn up on the night . The simple difference that cannot be denied is every time walcott gets some time on the park , we score goals ! your a buffoon for thinking ade is such a presence ! most of the goals he scored were handed to him , and now other teams have studied his tactics ( or lack of )
they have dried up ! chelsea will be equal on points with us shortly having played 1 game less
and let us point to the fact that you think we didn’t need any more recruits in december ,just like your mate nacho !. so i suggest next time you address me ,you state your purpose . Your mindless defense of players who aren’t up to scratch is a simple delight to read,humorous infact ,as for players who did well last night , i would say ALL apart from bendtner and ade !RVP needs a real partner WHO PASSES !without that he is inaffective ! cesc toiled hard and flamini scraped for everything , alumina can be forgiven for letting in the odd goal ! our defense was solid when called upon , we didn’t take our chances ! and that is a story that continues to have the same storyline game in , game out ! i know your an argumentative ###! but at least be man enough to see the faults and respect peoples opinions ! Almunia is always coming off his line to help defend and the trick is to score more than our opponents ! and that blame so easily rests on our ‘forward line’, because chance after chance goes begging ! . at the half last night boro had 1 shot on goal , whilst we had 5 ! what does that tell you ??? our strikers are ineffective ! pure and simple ! I saw it before the window was even open in December! it only makes me laugh at how great you are at really reading the great game ! comparing drog’s to ade is simply a joke he parks his a$$ in the box and demands with 2 hands pointing too the floor that be should be spoon fed the pass ! henry mark II

dribble the ball without loosing it would be a start for the lad ! you look at any push forward in last nights game , every lead ends with a bad 1st touch from ade ! he never passes off , just coughs up possession ,he shoots every time directly to the goalie,and he looses EVERY battle when he’s fed the ball ,so your theory of working hard off the ball is also a joke ! more like every feed he gets turns into spilling up the possession ! JUST ADMIT IT MAN ! but i spose whilst he’s scoring the odd goal all is forgiven in your eyes .! YEAH RIGHT ! .

You dont really understand the way arsenal play
and how much we require a solid finisher to be affective (too many passers and no clinical finishers!) You cannot expect our midfield to score goals . We are a seasoned club with history , to have ade front us is not working , make yourself accountable as ade’s spokes man ! you seemed to abuse me enough .. anyhow i consider this conversation over ! i know your not man enough to admit you were wrong ! but im sure all readers know the truth !

I’m as frustrated as any other gooner at this run of four draws, but I am trying not to let my anger and disappointment cloud my judgement. Wigan, Villa and M’boro are pigeon-holed as also-rans but the truth is that all three teams, Villa and M’boro in particular, played extremely well and thoroughly deserved their points. It is too easy to say we should beat these teams, because of a general perception of their abilities, but this completely overlooks the level of their performance on the day. I can’t honestly say that Arsenal played badly in any of these games, but their opponents played above themselves.

I am determined to remain positive for the rest of the season. The team deserves our unstinting support and it is more important than ever, now that we enter the final phase. They have achieved more this season than any of us thought possible. How sad that, when the chips are down, we start to break ranks and hurl abuse at the players who were our heroes a few weeks ago!

Don’t get me wrong - I am not blind to the shortcomings - but if being a fan means anything, it means getting fully behind the team in their hour of need and willing them to perform a few more AC Milan-type performances in the big games coming up.

I know that blogs are good places to let off steam, but my message to all fellow gooners is - yes, have your say, but try to end on a positive note!

Complete idiots like this Ethan give all of us bad names…..As gooners we shouldn’t be fighting each other but getting behind the team and although we all get frustrated ..we have to see to it that we put this frustration under control.

For young kids like Ethan, and by young i mean in footballing terms and supporting football, they need to keep their lids shut….please man cop it or zip it up en lick it if you don’t have something better to say …we all want to write comments but if you are just gonna write a bogus comment like this one here then i guess you must not even be an Arsenal supporter.

Ethan i have to say that you are a complete fool who has no footballing acumen. Just a few days ago Ade himself told the whole world that he spent half a season at his former club and for that half season, he scored just one goal but the next season Arsene came calling. Arsene is the footballing genius at Arsenal. what makes you think that you are smarter than Arsene??? Huh i mean if you smarter than him you would have his job.

But no way man you go on about how Ade is one to use as an impact sub…..what makes you think that you are smarter than Arsene the one who came up with an invincible team …the man who spotted Henry and turned him into a goal scoring genius…..the man who got Fabregas out of oblivion when even no one had ever heard about him….huh. You are busy saying that Walcott should be leading the scoring line? say what man ?? are you mad? what makes you think that you have more vision than Arsene the leader of this team?

It is said that happy are those who believe without seeing ..have some faith you imbecile..If you have nuttin better to say here dun show the whole world how senseless and how of little knowledge you are. You are the same people who go to a football and when the team is not scoring insult the players but when the team is on a run start going crazy.

Remember those days when Ade was on song? How come we didn’t see your comments Ethan? where were you? Only that now hes not scoring and maybe has kinda lost his scoring touch for some few games, that makes him the main culprit in disrupting Arsenal’s possession….man try writing things that make sense….not what just comes to yo mind…

Maybe your name should be Ethan_tots

Ever since the Birmingham draw I have lost faith… When Clichy gave the penalty that was the turning point of the season, just the slip up to give the title over. I was hopeful that the Milan win would spur the team on, have a big win against Villa, but alas… They have done what Arsenal do all too often… Dissappoint!

Another miserable Sunday, if we dont win any silverware and AW comes up with his usual BS that he has to keep faith with the youngsters I will throw up. Ade is just inconsistent, egotistical and selfish his passing is atrocious and I think the media hype has affected him every time he opens his mouth to the press he puts his foot in it. I shudder to think of Torres coming in between Gallas and Toure and showing Ade how good a CF can be. Lets hope a miracle occurs by the Chelse game and we play some inspired football. BUT I STILL SAY THE SQUAD NEEDS TO BE STENGTHENED, AND SONG GIVEN A CHANCE.

What a pathtic game yesterday that Arsenal played. If we play like that, we have no chance to win anything. Thae players look sluggish and tired. The manager is a great manager who has achieved a lot with so liitle money. Arsenal does not have depth of players and lacks experienced players. We have lost out on some good players ie Torres, Babel, and others but Arsene is convinced in his mind of not spending, he is after all an economist/accountant, they do not like spending. It is bad luck with all our injuries but this happens every year, it is no different then last year. Arsenal needs to spend on 2/3 good experienced palyers at the same time integrate te school kids he has bought. I fear our season is lost this year and players will get disillusioned of not winning anything once again.

To hammer on your point vis a vis “small games”, Arsene needs to do some yelling in the clubhouse for the kids.

Today I saw the uncertainty from last year’s doldrums. You know. When they passed the ball around outside the 18 yard box waiting for someone, ANYONE, to rescue the attack with some inkling of initiative. This is Wenger’s fault. These are League games dammit.

Yell Mr. Wenger. Get mad. Do it.

p.s. Does anyone know how Wenger is in the locker room? I know he speaks for only 4 minutes.

Painful, difficult to see a repeat of last three years horror movies coming back in the same period. Then people keep blaming the players and not AW who claims always that it’s got the squad to win both the Premiership and CL.
Yes, Eboue did well; but he’s benefited from his last three matches ban. Others players have been playing for the last three months without any rotation (Flamini, Hleb, Ade, Clichy, Gallas Fabregas and Sagna). They are simply tired. AW doesn’t trust his bench;then they have to play every game. We are paying the price as the result of him choosing to make money rather then assuring the required squad to win something at the end the season. This is not about luck; but more like he is getting his planning wrong.
It’s time he tries somthing else next season.

Win or lose (EPL or CL), AW must realize the absolute need for a slightly bigger squad with key players playing in their natural positions. Just a little flexiblity in philosophy and we become the UNBEATABLES! Everything else is perfect.

We are down but not out. A loss to Chelsea might end our title hopes. A win rekindles enthusiasm & belief.

We wait & we wonder…..

What a load of old BS. written by so called Arsenal supporters. never have I read so much crap. For goodness sake its a football game not the end of the world. We win some we should have lost, lost some we should have won. The sun will come up tomorrow and night will follow day. I thought they played well, should have won but didn’t. Seen it all before and will see it all again. As for stupid comments about Ces etc P.O.. Bit disappointed with you G4E what’s it got to do with English football or players? If it was a one of thing of raising the foot okay but it goes on all over the world in every country that football is played. Normally you write good articles well written but that was just a load of crap. The ref may have not given us the rub of the green, but that my friend is football. There was plenty of good points, RVP,Walcott,Eboue and Toure played well. RVP is just a little bit rusty but it was all there, and I look forward to the coming games. As for having a go at the Boss give me a break. No one stopped trying no one, yes we should have won but the ball did not go in the net and their goal keeper played a good game. I give up sometimes, talk a bout doom doom doom. As for you Ethan stop using so many other names you Richard Cranium
your comments are not worth the time reading.

Thanks YW , Kelsey & OT, that has cheered me up a bit.

Some Arsenal fans just don’t deserve that privilege.

I think that tackle, if you call it that, from Taylor has done more damage than just breaking poor Eduardo’s leg. There has definitely been a hangover since then.

Although all is not lost yet, the PL will now be incredibly difficult to win . We shall certainly have to win at least 6 of the 8 games, inc United, to have any chance.

A tall order but then the others are not in convincing form either. We shall see.

We missed the impact that Eduardo brings into the box, he makes defenders nervous……..he makes something out of nothing.

Losing Eduardo was a big loss to our season and hopefully RVP can regain his match sharpness fast as we will need his talent against the phoney russian franchise this weekend.

Lets get back to winning ways and surprize everyone!

I hate the state of football at the moment…..we must be one of the only sports in th WORLD where the whole rule book is open to ‘interpretation’ and the refs are inconsistent with their decision making…….The purest will say “thats what makes football great” but NO this is killing the game, it broke my heart seeing that ade goal disallowed!

Bring on video evidence!

HAHA GOONERFORMATURITY

I was saying it whilst ade was ?? on fire? if you can call it that ! i have more of a footballing acumen in my little toe than you do in your whole body !
i think being a gooner for over 30 years gives me right to comment..

Arsene does make bad decisions , for instance?
being 3 nil down in the C.C semis and bringing bendtner and ade on around the 70th minute .
THE POINT?? to fatigue them for the next match ?
it sure as hell wasnt to salvage the game !

I agree with G4E that he does well against spurs !
and should have started the game !
but against class teams you might as well forget it
blah blah blah to the rest of your sworded attitude
,heard your abuse before my friend ! Your one of the hard headed groupies who somehow believe the club has transformed into this giant that all other clubs in the EPL can fear ..

yes saw our giant killing acts against wigan and boro ! Oh please take some medicine . A dose of reality maybe !WE NEED MORE QUALITY PERSONNEL !
Walcott and RVP is theONLY keyto victory this year ! one day you will take off the blinkers and see ! Ade and bendtner just ain’t ready ‘yet’ to take on the role that arsene is asking them to fill and it will come at the expense of our title race !!!

And i follow the EPL NOT just AFC, i can see what the other clubs are doing to safe guard there future ,maybe opening your eyes to the likes of Man U and chevski might make you learn something.

KNOW THY ENEMY !

The simple truth for me is that the team is very tired, both phy/men. The simple fact is that the squad is not bigger enough,

we can not rest players and keep same level. Wenger has a squad of 18 players tops depending on form, for Arsene to say we dont need to strengthen is a joke.

We all know who’s going to be injured every season. For wenger to plan a season around the availability of ro sicky, rvp, denilson, diaby and others is beyond me. Spend some money please, wenger only seems to buy when absolutly has to.

OKAY YOU SODS, ARSENE OUT, WHO IN?

SURELY NOT MOUR..

R U TOTTS IN DISGUISE?

Flint

not sure how you can say they are hung over,when you see them in europe ! I think its a matter of the local league knows how to neutralize our game plan and been doing so with thuggery and bad pitches ! you cant say flamini or cesc dont look sharp ! its just an impotent front line that cant convert the midfield chances !

Its that simple ! get goals !!!

GET POINTS !

look at shots at goal stats they dont lie ..
how many get converted ???

i rest my case .

Another rant!

why is wenger or board f***ing about with flamini contract if he wants 80 grand pay him. From squad player to mainstay in one season, the way his playing a future captain. He leaves then WHAT?

if wenger doesn’t want to buy players, at least signup the players we have. I don’t want to hear player revolt, what eboue going to ask for 100 grand, give me a break. Falmini ain’t wes brown at utd.

We could use Carlos Vella right now!!

thankyou Uk bubbler

i said it 3 months ago , but the die hards here aint ready for a thing called Enervative thinking ..

they think quality all hits its straps at the same time !
wenger buys for the future and god knows when that future will hit most players , it didnt bentley and jeremie until after they left !

Im not saying ade one day wont be a great player but lets focus on this season ! because its there to win !
and this season he aint the answer ! i know G4E is to fragile to hear it !

(thats why i keep saying it :) )

your right william

carlos will be a welcome edition to the front line, lets hope he settle quickly !

What has Bentley and Ali done so far? They r in the squads where little quality prevails. If you come from Arsenal, you will definetly play and shine.
See it this way, what did they run away from arsenal?

Who’s talking about Arsene out?

you can have an opinion about the team without wanting the manager out, surely,

ethan-goon,

what I find amusing is that Arsene continues to buy 15-18 year olds, as if he going to manage this club for another 20 years! Before I call for “Wenger out” I would call for wenger to eventually be our youth coach/scout

bubbler, if he is our youth coach, isnt he out?
The 15 - 18 r the real deal in football now. I ARGUE TORRIES WONT GO MUCH!

I could not fault any of the players yesterday except for the lapse in defnce that let in the silly goal. I did not think the team looked tired and they played their 100%.

What I find worrying however is that to all intents, as this was our first choice “A” team (with RvP maybe not 100% match fit) and if we cannot break down the defence - then how are we going to cope with the bigger games coming up against Liverpool (thrice!), Chelsea and ManU.

While I remain optimistic and support the team 100%, I fear that the EPL is slipping beyond our grasp.

Let us hope that the team gets strengthened this summer (not the wildly optimistic Et’o, Kaka etc) with good undiscovered gems like Sagna and Eduardo.

We need to accept we will never win another trophy under AW and just appreciate waht he has done for us. I have supported AFC for nearly 20yrs and seen shite like Hillier, Jensen, Morrow, Helder, Kiwomya and countless others. We are light years from that now thanks to AW and he has revolutionised the club on a shoestring.

The thing AW must realise is we arent the midtable team he took over in 1996 anymore. We promote ourselves as a top european side and have a new 60000 stadium that makes almost twice the money that highbury did.

Unless AW actually uses that extra money on players that can take us to the next level then nothing will change. We have had a great season and deserve credit for bein anywhere near the other three given our spend, let alone winning the league - which was never going to happen with this squad.

AW now treats our club as an experiment, an attempt to prove that you can build a side without spending any money and stubbornly refuses to pay the going rate for proven players, yet players like Eduardo and Sagna especially have shown the impact they can have. Think of the impact on the squad when THEIR club goes out and buys a quality player, they see this and think “we mean business”, not to mention the qulaity they add to the team/group.

We have enough young “potential” and simply have to bring in some world class proven quality this summer. If not then the board or more worryingly AW need to address the fans and explain why we moved grounds if the extra money sint going to be used on the team.

If we are just happy to compete with teams for 4th/5th then fine, we can just play lovely stuff and win friends rather than trophies but AW needs to stop taking us for mugs. This kids lark isnt winning anything and surely he can see this and needs to accept he is wrong and act accordingly.

I’m not expecting Ronaldinho/Kaka type signing but can anyone say we wouldnt be a better side/ squad with Ribery/Torres/Robinho or countless others we have missed out on because of the price.

We promote ourselves as a big club and its about time we started behaving like it.

I hate to say it but Dein is right long term about needingf investement to keep up with the rest as the game has changes since AW took over but he refuses to acknowledge this, under AW we will get by and unearth the odd gem but over a season - no chance and this season must have showed him that. After AW is gone though we will have a normal boss who will demand funds and then we will find out who actually wants the club to succeed.

This isnt a post wanting AW out, far from it, but we need some perspective here and a realistic view of what we can expect from the team given the managers stubborn / refusal to compete for top players appraoch. We have a GOOD side put together on a shoestring but it wont win trophies and we need to be happy with what we have until either AW is gone or he changes his poicy which will never happen.

Manchester didn’t even have to earn the top spot. we’ve given it to them. Well I’ve found that being positive is too hard. I now expect little. it’s less painful that way. This new strategy works as my week-end wasn’t ruined, and I got over the result quick enough.

Good post Edengrave, I’ve found meself adopting the same strategy and find that expect nothing and you arent as gutted :(

How can you be optimistic though when shite like Eboue are starting games after a ban as though nothings happened, this bloke needs to be sold asap - he’s not only shite, but he has an attitude that shames AFC. Contrast this to the bloke behind him Bacary Sagna who is top class in everything he does - 11 Sagnas and the title would be in the bag mate.

Anyone who thinks this lot will win a pot anytime soon is dreaming. We gave the CC and FAcup away and are now throwing the league too yet AW still says he wont spend - its really easier to expect nothing but nice football mate, and just appreciate how far we’ve come since AW took charge. Its worring though all the same, Spurs are closing the gap and other clubs have money now. Of course it needs to be spent well rather than wasted but it still means more competition for every place.

Sorry but I think your point of view is narrow and dim. Chelsea spent how much last year. What did they win? Barcelona splashed out big time this year what did they win? What about Liverpool, how well have they done compared to us?

I think this makes no sense. It’s about spending money you mug.

I have never heard anything like this. At work I run my own business, and one of the things we do is buy and sell. When one of my buyers finds a consignment of good table wine at 1/2 the market price I swear to you that I have NEVER EVER heard anyone say anything but “GOOD BUY”.

What makes football different? I think it’s almost a kind of ignorance about how the world actually runs. The goal of every manager of any kind is to make the most of the resources available. To find quality at a discount.

I see a lot of nonsense passing around as conventional wisdom in football. Chelsea spent heavily in January but have been humiliated out of the Carling Cup and FA Cup. Is that better? To spend some £40 million and it doesn’t make a difference to your season?

I find a lot of people who just listen to the nonsense Alan Hansen and co say and just repeat them without thinking.

Listening to, and reading his comments I can’t help thinking that Arsene knows.

Ole gunner, fair enough.

I’ve never advocated spending like Chelsea mate, they are a freak and wahtever they win will always be tainted by the fact that theyve bought it, the fans know it and deep down so do the players especially the english ones.

Surley its not too much to ask though for a club that rpomotes itslef as one of the best in Europe to actually compete for top quality proven players.

Obviously we need to stay within a budget but the new ground must mean we have considerable funds there. By all means continue to recruit young talent, but they shouldnt be relied on to produce in the first team. Its unfair on them and is also cheating the fans as while the learn and inevitably make mistakes then the team loses points and the players naturally lose confidence / form.

All I’m asking is for us to buy proven players with experience, you seem to think thats too much to ask - funny how every other club in the league manages it?

We arent even linked with proven players anymore, every potential signing is 17-20 and will add nothing to the team for 2/3 yrs and shouldnt even be subjected to that pressure anyway.

Its like a bloody youth club now mate, great football but it seems that winning things doesnt even matter now - how long before Fab4 and players like RVP get fed up though?

4 years without a trophy coming up, yet AW will continue doing it his way, the thing isd his way aint working. I’m not wanting him out, not at all but we as fans need to be realistic here, we are now a club that makes / educates players and refuses to buy the best and as a result cannot really expect to win things as over a season the squad will be exposed as it is now.

BTW accusing me of agrreing with Hansen is a low blow mate lol.

the writing has been on the wall for months and only the blind couldn’t or wouldn’t see it. there is not enough quality in depth full stop. the players are tired and will get no rest as the replacements are simply not good enough, we had 10 of our best 11 players yesterday and despite some poor decisons were simply not good enough. we will struggle for 2nd place now and maybe we should give up on the league and concentrate on europe because this team simply can not play pool 3 times, chelsea and man utd in the next month as well as away to bolton and expect to win the games which they now need to do. everyone says utd will drop points which i am sure they will but what is more certain is that we will not be winning all our remaining games either. all very disappointing but bloody obvious at the same time.

just to add salt in to the wound wenger is already discussing how he is going to do buggar all in the summer just when the weakness in our squad are being shown up the most.

defies believe!!!!

4 years without winning the trophy? What whould Liverpool supporters do after not winning the league for like 20 years?

What are proven players? What does that mean? This year United spent >£40 million on Nani and Anderson. Can you enlighten me as to what these players had proven? Chelsea paid £20 million for Wright-Philips. He’d proven what? Liverpool this season spent how much? What had their players proven?

Something that breaks my head is how come we’re still tied on points at the top of the table and in the CL 1/4 finals if the manager has been buying such crap?

Please explain how that works. Especially since Real Madrid spent more than us this and every season and have been knocked out of the CL 4 seasons in a row?

Or is it just about spending a lot of money? That makes you feel good? What about the fact that we have a stadium to pay for and are in a much much better financial position than any of our competitors.

So wait a minute: what if it turns out that Wenger had splashed out like £150 Million in the last 3 years. Would that have assured us success?

Or wait a minute: Is this season over yet? Have you noticed that this season, the media has consistently ridiculed our team. After just one draw at Birmingham, they declared our season was over. They created an extraordinarily hostile environment for the club and everything Arsenal. Why do you help that by undermining the players who have demonstrated their quality by leading the league most of the season.

If you think that’s nothing, then we might as well take the position of clubs like Spurs, Liverpool, Newcastle, Fulham which have spent 100s of millions of pounds and have not even come close?

I think every gooner should be proud of our manager and our squad. They have done very well.

I think we won’t win the league this season. I am devastated by that thought, but ridiculiing the team only makes it worse.

It’s time for fans to become smart so we don’t repeat the same kind of dynamic we have seen at Newcastle with the arrival of Keegan.

Time for our fans to be as smart as the club we support.

Ole Gunner I appreciate what you are trying to say but I hope you are not suggesting we accept sub par performances because we have definately seen a few of those of late.

Its not about spending money but spending the right amount of money on the right players. Every arm chair manager from here to Timbuktu has an opinion on who they want to buy and sell very few however care to ask themselves wether the players are available and at what cost.

I think the right players are out there and are available at the right price and in my opinion the squad needs a reshuffle nothing major but a reshuffle none the less. I will not bore you with where and whom because every one has his own opinion.

Ole Gunner

ballack on a free transfer , spending 578 million since romanov has been in power ! sure he’s spent bucket loads , and yes last year was a bad time for them ! he won the FA CUP ! so yes he did win one thing last year ! But when was it when we won something ?

Also its not like chelsea couldnt sell drogba - ballack-cole(s) etc and the other horde of players they own ! , look back to TH14 freddie pires all bought , then sold for profits … You make it sound like once a club buys a player they then become worth nothing ! dead money !

These top flight players would become more valuable over time , so to suggest arsenal shouldn’t buy top class players is just a ridiculous notion ! and if you own a business you should realize these players make money for the club , especially the way arsene runs it ! Its a win , win scenario ! In fact if dudu doesn’t return or isn’t the same player upon his return ,he is dead money to the club .. I never said i wanted arsene out , only that he starts competing with the jones !

He had the perfect chance to grab 2 or 3 players that would give us depth in the transfer window and it didnt happen ! He knew we were still in all cups at that point , and we needed the depth to carry us the distance , it will happen again next year if our squad isnt deepened with a quality bench !

But half the ___ people on here are in fairy land.
We all want our club to succeed but coming in 2nd in a game like football , is still the 1st loser !
We are so close to becoming winners again !
Whilst we are not there yet , no one more than i wants to see those days return !

people like G4E are in denial of the truth !
but the truth will find you !

here here scott !
comments i made here 4 months ago , and was heckled for ! but i wouldnt waste too much breathe on them , they are not from the same planet…
I know which planet there from .. its the same planet most of them think with !

:)

gooon

yes bentley and Jeremie are from arsenal , and arsene did see something in them , but regular football is the key to player progression !

No point in buying 20 youngsters a year that need up to 3 or 4 years of constant football to progress ! All our good players like hleb -rosicky - sanga didnt come thru the youth ranks ! dudu included (ade and diaby also ) Its time to buy some players ..

including a top class striker or 2 !
we wouldnt be coughing up easy points (8 in 3 games) if we had some firepower within our ranks ! it would of turned those draws into wins !

especially against the likes of wigan and boro
embarrassing !

old timer

ditto

Get real mate. Are you really saying there was a realistic way in which Arsenal could have paid the £30 million Chelsea paid for Sheva. If you know that way we need to make you the Manager. You must be a genius.

Every informed person in England knows that with the stadium project Arsenal simply could not afford to go shell out big time.

So if you had £60 million to spend on players, which is what Arsene had in the last 3 years, would you buy two Shevchenkos? And if they turn out flops?

What about their salaries? What would happen to the squad if one player is being paid 6 times more than others?

Chelsea won the FA Cup last season after spending £120 million. WHOOPSY FUCKING DOO!! Portsmouth or Cardiff or Barnsley could do the same this season for 1/4 of the spending!

The point is this and that’s what you seem not to get. The quality of a player is not what he was bought for. It is what he would go for. Can you name one player in our starting 11 that wouldn’t cost £12-15 million to take from us?

And by the way, the value of Shevchenko, Ballack and virtually anyone Moaninho bought has definitely gone down. What would u pay for Mikel or SWP today? Any sane manager?

Let’s do a 1 on 1 comparison with facts of our players vs our competitiors and I can show you conclusively with facts that we are as strong as ny team in England and only Chelsea have a deeper stronger squad than we do.

It is a bit worrying and i hate to say it, during my optimism earlier this season perhaps i was blind and deaf to some of the comments about ’strength in depth’. I am however realistic, the quality of the premier league keeps improving and improving and Arsene has worked miracles. I never lose faith in the bigger picture! Although like everyone else, i get very frustrated with potential not producing results. We all have our opinions on which players we prefer, who’s in form, who’s not. But the truth is, when Arsenal are playing well and winning games, the chances are being converted from midfield aswell as up front. I don’t want to talk about the champions, but they do kill teams off quickly in the league and have done for two seasons now. We have underperformed against them especially in recent games and I believe our real test is yet to come, when we play them next. I don’t want to be sitting back and admiring the cockney mancs run in another title, even if we win the champions league. However, at the start of the season if you said to me Champions league and runners up, I would have bitten your hand off. It’s just so frustrating to have had a 5 point lead and let it slip without trying. We do need inspiration from someone. Just start shooting again and we can still win this. We are too good to just fade away. COME ON ARSENAL!!!!!

I don’t know how some of you can consider yourself true Arsenal fans. There were few complaints when Arsenal was winning. The hypocritical bashing of Adebayor is sad and pathetic.

Ade is still a very raw player and far from the finished product. Despite his limitations, he has still succeeded in scoring 19 league goals. That should put things in perspective.

Eduardo’s injury has had far more lasting consequences. I don’t think that it’s a coincidence that the goals have dried up since his injury. Eduardo was a smart, finesse type player and his style complimented Ade’s. His movement also added an extra dimension to Arsenal’s attack.

Any team with championship aspirations however, must be able and equipped to rebound from such contingencies. And this is the area where Arsenal falls short. One would expect other players to step up. One would expect that the team will adapt, quickly, to the new circumstances. Ronaldo has responded to Man U’s ’striker crisis’ by becoming a prolific goal scorer.

Fabregas, Hleb Bendtner and Walcott have thus far been unable to do the same - even when playing well. This is a sign of mental weakness more than anything. There were sufficient opportunities to put away Birmingham, Wigan and Boro.

A team with championship aspirations needs to be clinical in front of goal. End of story. It is ridiculous whining about one bad decision. Teams such as Arsenal and Manchester United are well equipped to destroy lower opposition.

Arsene Wenger’s almost obsessively frugal recruitment policy does deserve some criticism; Arsenal has struggled with long term injuries to key players in recent years and Arsene’s youth policy is yet to be truly vindicated in the Abramovich era.

If something is not working, a new approach is required. I think that is what many Arsenal fans are clamouring for. For Arsene to suggest maintaining the status quo when the season is not yet over is a worrying sign.

“We need to accept we will never win another trophy under AW and just appreciate waht he has done for us.”

That from Scott sums up the stupidity of this whole thread. No one has any perspective, no one has any memory.

WE WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO WIN ANYTHING THIS YEAR. And no one in September expected anything like what we’ve received thus far. Nor have we been lucky. At the beginning of the season, RVP was considered our best player, with the 3 attacking mids in behind. We’ve played most of our season without RVP/Ros, and are still fighting at the top of the table.

I see the flaws as well. We lack width. A genuine natural winger would do wonders on this team. But this was a season of development after losing Henry, and these lads have played brilliant football. It’s been a month of miserable luck and circumstance, and we still may win this thing.

Most people here sound like spoiled children tossing their toys out of the pram.

I cant believe that Arsenal are letting the title slip away

I think people have really over-done Eboue here.

He was better than his average standard this season (pretty awful) but christ I WISH people would stop saying he has a good game on the back of only a handful of particularly good things he did all game. He actually had some good moments like usual for him, but once again, his general play was poor. His passing was mostly shit, he only hit the bar with a misplaced cross, he often chose the wrong options, he on one particular occasion wasted a great chance to make something happen on the edge of the box by taking ages and slowing it down- then playing a shit 3 yard pass to Fabregas which was even scuffed.

Like I said he was a bit better than his usual standard and he did have a few good moments but it’s so annoying how people only seem to remember the best few things he did then claim he wasn’t bad. The game lasts 90 minutes not 10. Equally some players who get slated get slagged off for 10 bad minutes out of 90, it’s all just so ludicrous.

Birmingham, Villa and boro have all looked good sides against us. Why? the answer is simple….we are a pale shadow of our former selves.

Fabregas and Hleb seem shot to me.

Adebayor continues to baffle. Sometimes great - sometimes downright awful with a touch like an elephant (sorry elephants!) and he has sulked the last 2 PL games a al Henry.

But there is a fundamental problem here that I have mentioned before - our style of play

Let’s pin my colours to the mast. I love our stylish
football but I also crave a return to winning trophies. This total football style has had some of Europes greats waxing lyrical but remember that total football as embodied by the dutch sides was not thta successful. More pragmatic teams like the Germans and the Italians were able to beat it

Arsene has copyrighted the formula for winning the title (which UTD and Chelsea have followed) - power & pace embellished with technical excellence

Now he has a side with technical excellence but one which needs to play 15 passes to score a goal and one which plays too narrow and with not enough variation - they are not built to cope with Wigan in the mud or ten men behind the ball like villa and boro. He has added power but just not enough or enough of a squad for what is needed. Enough to win a 30 game PL but not a 38 game one

Why do we keep gifting these sides 1-0 starts???

Make a hard job harder for f**kS sake

That goal against boro was a f**cking disgrace. Offside for a goalkeepers kick!. 5 defenders against 2 attackers. The only way they are going to score?….if the 5 all run the other f**king way!!

After the 45, Arsene should have brought on Bendter and taken off Hleb and just gone long as Boro were camped in their box and offered no threat. Why leave 4 defenders back? Just play ugly and win. Remember, if a team play that style, they should invite our 4 defenders to come forward. Gallas could also have gone up earlier. What Boro did, they would not do against other relegation teams as they know they would invite them into their box in droves

ADE cannot play target man against such a defensive lineup. He should be able to just stand there and win balls / chest balls to oncoming Arsenal attackers and set up chance after chance but instead of playing a simple effective role, he goes wandering!

every one is writing us off! but what about after we beat chavsea then? are we going to win it again? truth is i feel we will be the first team to beat chelsea at the bridge in ..well ages.

I dont understand how we were allegedly so tired yesterday when it was Middlesborough who had a hard game against Villa midweek
I think 90% of AFC supporters think the squad is too thin and the policy of buying 17 year olds who might be good in 3 seasons is not working, Merida has had 2 years with us and go such little irst team experience that he had to be shippled to Salamanca, Luckily Vela dint have a passport so hes had 2 years in La Liga playing all the time so he comes to us an experienced player who will just need a couple of months to settle in, Torres was the complete article and he settled in immediately.
Unfortunately those of us who are expats and only come to Ashburton 6 times a season know that it costs us over 100 pounds to get a ticket, and the club has the highest prices in the country yet Wenger says he doesnt need anyone new and will never spend more than 10 million since the Reyes fiasco.

Nola RVP and Rosicky are injury prone and not good for a full season and everyone knows that.
Ryan Babel playing at AFC would have fitted in to our system easily there are players like that around who have experience lets hope he has one or two of them in mind

Surprise surprise - Ethan and the other doomers come out of the woodwork just as we are at a low point in the season - way to support your team. These comments are much as I expected them to be, but I’m glad to see that at least there are a few of us with sufficient perspective to be able to see the bigger picture.

It’s not as if the team weren’t trying to win yesterday, no one played badly, but we just didn’t get the rub of the green. It’s disappointing and no doubt the recent results have reduced our chances of winning the league, but the season is not over yet. The team need our support - there are enough critics out there sharpening their poison pens without alleged supporters adding to the bile.

spot on. there has been some truly hilarious stuff written today that would make you think we had only won the milk cup in multiple decades…

If we win f*ck all this season the Board must set Wenger an ultimatum to spend at least 75 million pounds in the summer, making sure that he gets at least 3 established world class players, not younger tnan 24 years old. If he does not and we win nothig again than he should be sacked by the end of 08/09 at the latest.
If van Persie is out for longer than 3 weeks in the first half of next season, then we should sell him in the transfer window of January 09.
The same shold be done, and within tha same timetable to Rocisky.
Wengers untouchable player is Fabregas, who is overhyped beyond any limits of reason and desency. He has been our worst player of the last 4 months at least but Wenger will never have the courage to put him on the bench or substitute his.
Has Wenger ever bought for Arsenal an established great player?
Can he handle great established player who don’t owe it to him?

in regards to the squad i do believe that maybe we dont need re-inforcements.
defense is okay now, senderos looks very good now! upfront once eds comes back we look strong with ade eds rvp n theo! the only position i feel we need someone in is out wide, but wenger has plans for there in the shape of carlos vela doesnt he! maybe vela will be the next big thing.

wenger must see something in him thats why he feels no need to go buy a winger . this is why wenger says he doesnt need to buy and i believe him.

Wenger clearly knows nothing compared to many of our ‘loyal’ fans - I say we should sack him and put the club in their capable hands. I mean after all, what has he done for us other than the 3 titles, countless cups, moving us into a giant new stadium and making us one of the most respected clubs in Europe at the same time as actually making money in his transfer dealings over the 10 years he’s been in charge? In my opinion nothing. It is our right to expect to win every single game and throw a sissy fit when we don’t. I’ve supported this club through thick and thin for 2 years now and it is just not good enough. I have been paitent. I have even told him what to do on these blogs. I told him we need proper honest English boys like tiny Taylor at the back and at least four 30 million plus strikers up top. Preferably with experience of being on the cover of at least one FIFA or Pro Evolution soccer game. Did he listen? Did he hell! YOU ARE THE WEAKEST LINK WENGER - GOODBYE! It’s either that or I go support Chelsea. Or Man U. Haven’t decided yet. Will wait until the outcome of Grand Slam sunday next week. I’ll be interested to hear Jamie Rednapp’s views. There’s a man who knows something if I ever saw one. Although Real Madrid are looking pretty hot at the moment. Just a shame they’re full of foreigners….

Check this out, some Wenger/Arsenal banter in here:

http://ihos.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/epl-mock-draft/

I wish some of you would f**k off to WHL. Supporters, my asrse

Disappointment aside…

Anyone else looking forward to seeing what RvP can do for the rest of the season? Once he’s in his stride he’ll be unstoppable.

If they’re up to speed, RvP and Alex Song are going to have big parts to play over the next few games.

Blame AW for all our predicaments now. He doesn’t buy any good player but relying on players who can’t even shoot into an open net.

Hear him ‘ if I bring in a new player what message am I sending to them’ Are the players careers more important than Arsenal?
Thus, he’s missed out on so many good players. Drogba, Berbatov, Ronaldo, E’to, Torres and many others and brought us Ade.

Ade has a poor touch and his poor passing always disrupt the forward movement of the team. He let a good player like Serbastian Larson leave because of Diaby whose quality is below Larson.

Some of the decisions Arsene has made has fallen short but it shows how human he is and we should be ready to criticise rather than burrying our heads in the sand like ostriches.

I’ll not give up my rights to criticise once I spend my hard earned money on the club. I will only shut my mouth the day I stop spending for the benefit of Arsenal.

Yes, fans wants us to pamper Arsenal players even though they’re pocketing so much money a week but not perfrming to deserve their pay checks.

Last summer some of us pointed out the need to get a striker, a cb and a winger but Arsene didn’t listen. Now we’re paying for it. We’re not getting the vital goals and our defence still leaks when one regular is missing. Arsene is losing the plot.

Howard - There’s no point in entering into a debate about that stuff. What you’re doing is dooming, plain and simple. Basically that’ll add to the feeling of defeatism we’ve seen on this blog. Nothing can be changed at this stage of the season.

Instead, why not try this:

Get behind the team, in any way possible. If Arsenal fans are positive then there’s at least some chance that’ll transfer to the team who are clearly shot of confidence at the moment.

If we fall short at the end of the season then we’ll can see what’s gone wrong. But doing it now strikes me as a bit ridiculous. Kind of a wind up in my opinion.

howard

who would you buy then? if you buy a striker what are you going to do with eds when he comes back? and dont say get rid of ade!!

Ole Gunner is either Arsene Wenger himself or a complete groupie, or maybe just a loser? I cannot stand the ‘Arsene Knows’ brigade. Arsene knows what? He hasn’t known anything in 4 seasons and does not look like changing, in fact he’s getting worse. It’s all an ego trip for him now, he wants to prove everyone else wrong and win the league with kids and on a shoestring. It’s not even as if he won his previous silverware with kids, what’s this fixation with kids? Everytime we’re linked with anyone it almost always is a teenager. I’m tired of it now. It’s different if we haven’t got the money but we do, so spend dammit. I don’t care if we win nothing, at least we know we made an effort! Sure we all know he’s an economist but he’s not at Arsenal to do that, he’s here to win things and seems to have forgotten. We are only in this predicament because of a squad that is thin on quality. We have these so called squad members that we cannot call up because they are not good enough, meanwhile the first team regulars are worked to the bone. What really gets to me are the so-called fans who don’t seem to care about winning anything and follow Arsene like he’s a god that can do no wrong. He’s only human and it’s about time people reminded him of what he’s here for.

Ade has been played into the ground. he has nothing left in the tank. he literally needs 3 weeks off. but bendtner and Walcott look the best they have looked all season. they appear fresh and up for it. so why persist with a tired looking Ade?

Also after Milan I though we were going to see a different Fabregas and to an extend a revitalised Hleb, but that hasn’t happened. these two very important players have looked short of ideas and lacking a spark. in a run in that is criminal. compare that with Liverpool, who have now won 8 in a row (I think) and are showing their best form of the season.
despite what people think, fergie probably rotated as much as rafa did so you cannot be surprised that those teams are looking very good right now. chelsea have a massive squad so tiredness should not become an issue for them.
the season has taken its toll and too many key players for us just look like they are going through the motions. whats worse, I just dont see them being able to pick it up at Stamford Bridge, because there were no signs of recovery against Boro.

gazzap

you dont think we are going to pick it up for chelsea?

behave!!

we are now outsiders for the title which is good for us, takes the heat off. we are wounded but that is when we are at our most dangerous!

In terms of how I see the game, I agree with YW on all the points, so I won’t repeat. While I was gutted about the refereeing incompetence, I really expected better of the team and thought we should have put a couple of chances away without conceding an almost silly goal like that. And like G4E pointed out above, it also hurt me to see Gael Clichy stretchered off like that. Again, it wasn’t a malicious challenge. But just what was Mido’s foot up there at a 170cm-tall young man’s head? Then Southgate said he’s not that kind of player, he definitely didn’t mean it, he was sorry to see how badly it hurt Gael, etc. All very fine, but wait for it - “but I thought the red card was harsh on him.” Just how many times do we have to see these ‘accidents’ happen before they understand one doesn’t have to charge into a challenge to intentionally hurt someone else to get a red card? Go to skysports.com if you’re interested in those Southgate quotes, which sounded awfully familiar to me! Now where did we hear that before?!

Sorry guys, I’m as gutted as you are but at least I TRY to stay supportive. Some of the comments I’ve seen are counter-productive to say the least.

You know what I’m thinking? If, as some of you say, some members of the team aren’t Premiership Champions material, neither are some of our fellow fans. I don’t question anyone’s support for the team because I believe everyone loves Arsenal in his own way. But as much as we keep demanding the team to do better, I think it’s high time we also do better ourselves. And demanding for people’s heads or saying we should have signed so and so players are not helpful at this stage of the season where nothing could be done on those fronts. Negativity breeds negativity and that kind of blaming atmosphere does get into the team.

Despite my questioning of those negative approaches, I keep using “us” and “ourselves” instead of “you idiots” or “those morons” (which I could have long been doing!) because, regardless of the differences in our opinions, I consider all of us as fellow Gooners. We’re in this together. Fandom isn’t about sticking around when things are beautiful and glorious, then slagging people off when they aren’t. I may sound blindly optimistic or verging on the deluded, but it’s about going through shit together before we enjoy success of any kind, thick and thin and all that.

Let the guy - who for 12 years has been successful and nothing short of a brilliant miracle worker! - do his job. And we do ours - which is to get behind the team, especially when they need us most.

I.e. now.

It has always been a problem during the Arsene years too score goals against teams that park the bus so to speak.From the Fiorentina match at Wembley to the fa cup quarter final in 1999 where we slaughtered a 10 man united for the entire 30 minutes in the rematch to cska Moskva to Psv To Birmingham it is something very fundamental in Wengers way of playing football that is floored.We simply struggle against team that put every man behind the ball but why doesnt Man Utd then ???? Is it attitude,Tactics or somerthing else.But it is prevailent and it something we need to address.

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Im glad some of you are addressing the issues
ive had with the club .. And as for wenger , he is only human as stated earlier ! But correctly so the Arsene knows brigade must be starting to doubt the poor choices we’ve made every week ! Its not like torres hasn’t played the same amount of games as ade ! Yet he looks fresh and ready to score every time he’s on the pitch ! So please the arsene knows brigade stop using ade is fatigued as the excuse for under performance ! He is still not a prime choice to front this team ! and dont you think the reason he has scored 19 goals this season is because of all the opportunities he’s been getting ? He has played over 30 + games for arsenal .. and as we have played 4-5-1 do the math !
a goal every 2nd game (3 were penalties) isnt good enough ! Sure we haven’t lost many games, but its apparent that not finishing sides off is still the problem ! I say if henry wants to come back let him ! The break probably made him more humble
and its not like we dont need someone up front !
Come back henry or we will be floundering with inexperience for the next 2 seasons !

gazzap

more like ade needs 3 weeks in striker training ,passing distribution , vision , shot selection and a good dose of humble pie … As a striker you either have it or you dont !currently he hasnt got the skill set . Camping in the 6 yard box has made him one dimensional ! he needs to get out and stay out on the 18 yard area and win a few battles with defenders , beat a few men with quick feet ,slot in some shots from distance ! know when to pass back to keep our build up plays alive !
None of this is happening , and you all know the way we play ! So lets not kid ourselves like G4E does ! To win titles you need to score goals ! PLAIN AND SIMPLE !

dukeGoonem

why do you throw it back to bloggers to get
feedback on who we would buy (or who should now be installed as a new manager !) ? the choice isnt howards ! its arsene !!! or the board! asking us is pointless, unless you just want to argue !!! (g4E rings to mind ?)

All our answers mean nothing ! my personal preference is different to yours or howards !
Howard is obviously stating the current state of affairs ain’t working ! END OF STORY ..

but if you ask me , go south american, kerlon - fred-pato the list is endless of arsenes canidates.. you only need to get a striker or 2 from other powerful european clubs like ac milan - bayern-juve- madrid etc.!
SPEND SOME MONEY !

let arsene go wild with this unlimited war chest we’ve heard about but never seen !

(and before any of you start with the look at man U’s finances spiel , players that dont work in the UK can still be resold and not loose funds, look at diarra ,here less than 4 months and we made 4 million on him !)Buying a good player will never loose the club money , unless your name is shevchenko ..

instead of buying players that take UNKNOWN time to develop ! sure keep on that path, but fill the gaps in the squad like ‘YESTERDAY’ !

this in my opinion is a slightly enhanced version of what arsene is currently doing ..fill the gaps ! 1 more defender of quality, the midfeild is fine ,but maybe a natural winger , and 1 or 2 top quality strikers .And if henry is home sick i couldn’t think of 2 many patriotic gunners who wouldn’t want him to come back !

but thats the way i would do it !
howard would do it another way ,
and the other 90 % of you dont have a clue !
for all you 90% of the others

just keep pulling the rip cord in the center of your chests that says …
‘arsene knows best’ ‘arsene knows best’!

:)

Be aware Arsenal fans, the Spuds are closing the gap??

On what, 10th place?

Great post on 4:21 OleGooner, hard to get it accross to fans who want to brag about a trophy now and the hell with the club later though.

We can agree to disagree on the English players, because I still believe if what happened to Eduardo or Clishy happened to F(r)ooney the reaction would’ve been completely different.

G4E

I’d say it’s not a false choice of doing nothing or wildly splashing cash, bit I do think we need to go out and buy two world-class payers, a deadly striker and a wide player with durability. A Torres and a Ribery added to this side would propel us into a dynasty.

as for the refs..

I might be wrong but I always understood that if a defender impeded an attacker in the area it was a foul…

Lets face it sometimes common sense must be used ! has eboue EVER scored a single goal in the EPL ? chances are even if it was a penalty
in the text book instance, given eboues history of diving and impotences infront of goal , was he really obstructed from scoring ?
I think we really know the answer !

Its like the ronaldo denied penalty a week or so ago , questions must be asked given the position in which he was brought down ,was he really in a area to deny him a goal scoring opportunity ?the ref got it right ! sir alex should shut t ! Yes in the box is in the box but
i think common sense must be used ! same applies for eboue given his history … sure kussacks penalty was justified
straight in front of goal , a clear obstruction ,
there is a fine line between following the rules and common sense ! I think considering
we don’t have the benefit of video replays in place the refs do a reasonable job ! However giving hleb a yellow card in europe was the start of this for arsenal fans (that one i do have problems with !).. So stop complaining about a refs job , its a tough ask to make an instant decision and they would rather