Emmanuel Adebayor. If ever there was a player who epitomised the adage that you cannot please all of the people, all of the time, it is he. Top scorer for the club in the Premier League with nineteen in twenty seven appearances (including substitutes), he is labelled for wont of a better phrase, “A Billy Big Nuts”, scoring only against lower teams in the division and when it does not matter.
[Pauses for a second to don anorak]
Well, as is always the case, those who shout loudest do not always give the true picture. The table below gives you a quick comparison between the top two scorers in the Division this season.
| Adebayor | Ronaldo | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Goals | 19 | 21 | ||
| Appearances | 27 | 24 | ||
| Goals Per Game | 0.70 | 0.88 | ||
| Games Scored In | 14 | 13 | ||
| Points Won | 10 | 11 | ||
| Games Impacted | 4 | 0 | ||
| Games Not Impacted | 4 | 6 | ||
| Goals At Home | 9 | 14 | ||
| Goals Away | 10 | 7 |
A quick explanation:
‘Points Won’ is the number of additional points gained by their goals, i.e. draws to wins, defeats to draws;
‘Games Impacted’ is the number of games where their goals can arguably described as influential, i.e. the first goal in a victory margin of more than two goals or the second goal in a three goal win;
‘Games Not Impacted’ is the number of games where if their goals were ignored, the outcome is unaffected save for goal difference
There is not much to choose between the two in terms of their seasons. The biggest difference between the two is that Adebayor scores more often away from home, ten times to Ronaldo’s seven. The other key difference is that Ronaldo scores two or more goals in a game far more frequently than Adebayor, seven matches to Adebayor’s four. An accusation levelled at the Togolese striker is that he does not score in big games. If it is true of Adebayor, it is equally as true of Ronaldo. Adebayor scored in both local derbies and Ronaldo against Arsenal. That’s it; neither netted against Chelsea or Liverpool.
The simple fact is that Adebayor is effective at his job and his record stands comparison to his peers this season. His fundamental problem is the player that he is replacing who could generally score against all-comers. Even then he only scored once in the Premier League at Old Trafford and Anfield, twice at Stamford Bridge. The point is that all goalscorers make hay against weaker opposition. Adebayor has a good decade left at the top and the expectations placed on his shoulders this season are too high. Forget Henry. His time at Arsenal is finished. He is in the history books as the clubs greatest goalscorer. Even if he is desperately unhappy in Barcelona, he will not be coming back to Arsenal. More importantly, stop expecting Adebayor to be Henry.
[Removes anorak]
Talking of forwards, good and bad news concerning Robin van Persie. Let’s get the bad out of the way first; he has been called up by the Dutch into the provisional squad for their upcoming friendly in Austria. If ever there was a reason for Arsene to delay his comeback slightly, this is it. Van Basten’s timing is ludicrous, although not as bad as FIFA in designating the last week of the month as an international week.
One hopes that RvP will be a dropout when the squad is reduced to twenty three next week. There is no sense in him being called up for if an injury is suffered now by the Dutchman, he probably will not go to Euro 2008, an altogether more damaging prospect for his national manager than him missing a senseless friendly.
The good news? He is chomping at the bit
I have missed many games – but I am thinking positive at the moment and I want to end this season good with the team. I am happy to be back and am quite positive that we can win the league and the Champions League. We have to get in there again and come back stronger because we still have nine games to play and it is vital. If Manchester United win their game in hand then we are one point behind them and we have to be sharp.
Arsene commented on RvP,
He can make a difference. How much? I don’t know. He has played eight games, we have played 28. To have him back for the last 10 would be patience rewarded. [Before he was injured] he played eight games and scored five goals. When you lose a player like that you think of course we are in trouble but we compensated well.
Flamini and Fabregas are considered the best partnership Arsene has had under his control
Going forward they [Fabregas and Flamini] are technically good and very mobile. Before we had players with impact and now the players’ strength is in mobility. Maybe they are less physically strong in the challenge than Vieira and Petit but they have a good understanding and they cover each other well
He observed the key to the success which will grate at one or two
We build a team over years being very restrictive about our spending and you are only rewarded if you can keep the team together
The media make a big play of how much cash is available at the end of financial year. The senior officials at the club play on that but it should be treated with some scepticism. Figures can be massaged to look good but at the end of the day unless Arsene spends it, there is not much point in speculating on whom it will be spent. Well, OK, it is part of the fun but not where it is detrimental to supporting the current squad. Take Adebayor as an example…[thwack]
If you want to speculate, you might consider Metz’s Miralem Pjanic. Why? He’s seventeen and the media think we’re interested. Why not? Because it is the player who seems to be talking it up.
‘til Tomorrow.























ade has been the most inconsistent striker i have seen in an arse shirt. hleb? simply poor these days. when does rosicky return?
By: saminator on March 12, 2008
at 8:55 am
The true big game player in our side is Cesc Fabregas. Goals against Liverpool, United, the crucial 2nd at WHL, the all important first at Milan; Cesc can never be accused of being a flat track bully.
Let’s hope he completes the full set at the Bridge in 2 weeks.
By: Fab4 on March 12, 2008
at 9:07 am
Can i be the first to say comparing Ronaldo to Adebayor is a bit off. 1st things first Ronaldo is a midfileder and Adebayor is a striker, so if u are going to compare their impact on a match please include their assist too. Am an Arsenal fan and please people stop comparing our striker with other players. Adebayor has his match winning days and his off days, the complaint i have had from most fans is that why do we need 5 chances to score one? Adebayor plays in front of a midfield that creates a lot of chances so by right he shud have scored more goals than Ronaldo.
By: Clay on March 12, 2008
at 9:19 am
Clay
So Ronaldo’s contribution is more valid because he is midfielder? Who do you want to compare him to then? Torres? Lagging six PL goals behind him this season at nearly three times the cost.
Come down from cuckooland. Every striker converts around 1 in 4 or 5 of their chances. Adebayor is a better player than he is given credit for. Time to get off his back and support him for a change.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on March 12, 2008
at 9:39 am
well clay,if van-persie can stay relevant i doubt you would be complaining.Rather,drool at the prospects of having two strikers that can possibly give you 40-50 goals a season.In all honesty,wenger brought in adebayor as a secondary striker.This is what he unwitttingly said when he spoke about van-persies’ injury.Something about us being”in trouble” when got injured.
By: rexes on March 12, 2008
at 9:40 am
every 3 points Arsenal win are just as crucial as any other 3 points whether its against Man U or Derby. fact is, we normally drop points against the lower teams far more than we do the top teams, so if Ade is scoring the winners against those teams then we should be happy about that.
I think Ade does need a proper striker next to him and we have one of the best in RVP. we have missed RVP this season and you can only imagine how many more points we would have acheived with him in the side for most of it. But 5 months is a long time out and who knows what impact he can have in 9 games.
He will need to get his match sharpness back against Boro and then lets see how he kicks on against the Chavs.
By: gazzap on March 12, 2008
at 9:41 am
Agree with Gazzap, the combination of Ade/RVP will give them both the chance to score more because they will be a handful for any defence line. Ade alone is a handful, add RVP and any defence will get screwed.
Clay if you don’t want to comapre Ade to Ronaldo, that’s fine…..It is fair to say then that Ade is currently the best “Striker” in the league.
We are on a great course….people just can’t believe or don’t want to beleive……..it’s a lot easier to be negative.
G4E
By: Gunner4Ever on March 12, 2008
at 9:57 am
No one said Adebayor is not good enough Yogi and when i say we i do not mean Adebayor only i mean the whole team, we need a lot of chances to score one. I might be from cukooland but i am objective. You know its true that Adebayor cud have scored more goals than he has. Stop just trying to defend people when there is no reason to. i merely stated that comparing the 2 was not the way to go. you have to look at how much the team is creating and how many chances are converted. Talk about who shouts the loudest! I would be one of the happiest people if Adebayor scores every time against the lower teams coz by beating them we win the premiership. To rexes i am not complaing, not a bit just an observation. I believe we can win the league.
By: Clay on March 12, 2008
at 9:59 am
Gunner4ever i agree with you there
By: Clay on March 12, 2008
at 10:02 am
Ade scores more goals when he has a strike partner. It’s very frustrating talking about Ronaldo because people always say “well he’s a midfielder”. But he plays quite centrally often, takes all their set-pieces and he is the one player in United allowed to shoot. He’s a strike-fielder.
Whichever striker you compare Adebayor to, Adebayor stands comparison very well. That’s a fact.
He is not world-class yet as he still somehow manages to miss the most simple things. Having said that, he has been massive for us this season and only a fool would deny that.
By: Ole Gunner on March 12, 2008
at 10:08 am
i guess it’s a learning process for the team clay,our side has been quite dynamic for a few seasons now with players coming and going,or being injured.As a team of 22 players they have jelled quite nicely but, we don’t have a constant reliable first 11.Never mind, its’ trying times like these that forge champions…and they will be champions as long as we get behind them.
By: rexes on March 12, 2008
at 10:12 am
At least nobody doubts he is the most “improved” striker this season.Oh! van-persie will thouest ever play a full season with us?
By: rexes on March 12, 2008
at 10:14 am
Clay
I do not get it. The guy has scored 19 goals this season in the league, 32 in total. What more does he have to do?
Name one striker in world football at the moment who scores in every game. You conveniently overlook the fact that he has scored in 14 games which is roughly every other game. The player who scores in every game does not exist. Stop looking for that and be content with his contribution this season.
Midfield should have scored more; they have not. It is what it is. We are in a damn good position. Remember this; we’ve finished fourth two season running, a distant fourth at that. There is nothing that can be done to change the squad now so why are people getting vexed about it or individual players?
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on March 12, 2008
at 10:20 am
Yogi .. the guy at Metz is a hottie .. believe me, I know more about him than you do
he’ll become a top class player
would be good to get him on board and send Rosicky to wherever he wants to go and buy decent non injury prone players that our supposedly scientifically run system should scout for us!!
By: BB on March 12, 2008
at 10:21 am
ade is a decent striker…. but he plays the holding role gr88. thts y he and dudu made a deadly combination..19 goals so far is outstanding…..i dont think he would cross 30 goals in a season ever..(just the bpl) he is not the prolific types. rcp and dudu are the ones wenger thot the goal wud come from. cesc has gr88 vision..thts y he gets those crucial goals when others find it tough but he is best at providing chances..and no doubt rvp is better at taking thm than ade…hope he stays fit till end…if he does i bet we will win the league.
By: rohan on March 12, 2008
at 10:26 am
screw the international week at the end of month….just pure worthless…i had watched the england friendly and noticed rooney trying to limp around in the 3rd minute and looking towards the bench in a puzzled manner..in the hope he gets sub…fergusion makes it clear with the players it seems…but he wasnt subtd so the limping stopped almost then and there.
By: gooooooooner on March 12, 2008
at 10:30 am
Yogi grow up!!! You brought up the topic i dont have to see things you way only. You wanted opinions i gave you my own, you can interprate it anyway you want. Adebayor is the best striker in the premiership at the moment, am pointing out that our team creates a lot more chances (easy ones to some) that we miss (we reads the team not Adebayor only). its the same with any player in the team that we as fans believe they can be better and they have showed they can, i have a right to point it out whether you agree with me or not is fine. For you own info Adebayor has been massive for us but i still believe he could have added a few more goals to what he has right now.
By: Clay on March 12, 2008
at 10:31 am
I think adebayor has been a saving grace rather than an ache,remove him from the equation and you only have….walcott,edu,van-persie and bendtner.considering their contibutions and misfortune this season, it would be unbearable to watch.
By: rexes on March 12, 2008
at 10:40 am
Its clear we wouldnt be where we are in the league without Ade’s goals this year, for one.
Another point to take into account – if he is so bad, why did Ferdinand say he was the worst striker to play against – and why did Fergie try to buy him in the summer?
By: Matt on March 12, 2008
at 10:59 am
Clay
Grow up? Actually I brought the topic up because I am bemused by the criticism of the player that he has had over the past months.
I’ve given you some rough and ready stats that you chose to question. Fine and dandy but to base a whole argument around “he misses more than he scores” is just baffling.
I’ll say it again; every striker misses more than they score. Henry did not score with every shot. Neither did Greaves, Muller, Ronaldo.
The problem as I said in the post is that people wanted an Henry replacement. It did not happen and Adebayor is a different player. Judging him by those standards is a vicious circle and one doomed to fail.
Cut him some slack. He has scored 19 and put us in a good position through those goals, as Matt said.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on March 12, 2008
at 11:21 am
I have never known an Arsenal player, who has contributed so much, get as much criticism as Ade. It is quite ridiculous.
There is little point making the comparison with Ronaldo because they are totally different types of players.
Ade is several players in one. We all know his attributes & his faults. He is not the finished article, by any means, & will certainly add to the tremendous progress he has made this season.
By: Flint McCullough on March 12, 2008
at 11:27 am
Another good point made.
Even Adebayor’s strongest critics will admit that he has improved this season.
In fact he has got better every year he’s been here and I think the most exciting thing about him is that he’s still improving now.
Why should it stop? Why do so few people have any perspective on these things?
Remember Anelka: The guy practically lived offside (like Ade), sauntered around the pitch and only got into the game when he scored (definitely unlike ade who usually gives everything).
I honestly wouldn’t swap a young Anelka for Adebayor as he is now…and is yet to become.
By: Big Al on March 12, 2008
at 11:44 am
Yogi, good analysis but I think that you need to put in the number of penalties scored as this can also impact the figures.
By: Lancealittle on March 12, 2008
at 11:45 am
Adebayor is one of the best centreforwards in the EPL.
Those who are doubting him should ask themselves why AC Milan and Man U are still targeting him.
Adebayor will pick up and learn from his previous mistakes now that we are going for the title at full strength. Rosicky will be back and Walcott is set to be fit for the final challenge.
Remeber at the startof the season we won the Emirates and Amsterdam tournaments because of team work and RVP contributed the most by his scores. He is back to claim the final prize – Champions League and the EPL.
By: ArsenalKenya on March 12, 2008
at 11:45 am
I agree with Yogi that we are not dependent on any single player or two like united..we have from time to time missed our star players including toure..rvp..eduardo..rosicky and briefly..cesc but we are in good position..
Adebayor is king..he is awesome centre forward..he shud just keep it up…Ronaldo is awesome too..the guy hasnt had any injuries for last 2 years..manutd shud be thankful and fearful..
By: adc on March 12, 2008
at 11:49 am
you guys are right, most players miss chances more than they score. however, Ade misses the easiest chance ever, and can only score the difficult ones after a beautiful pass from team mates. i really appreciate his work he’s done a lot and without him we probably would have been in a different position. and when comparing Ronaldo with Ade its absloutly fair cause the fact that a midfielder is doing better than a forward. simple as that. if RVP was there all along he would have been the one taking advantage of all the amazing chances created by the team especially at the current form we are at, and he would have been the player who missed less chances than scored.
By: Mo on March 12, 2008
at 11:54 am
clauy , believe it or not luis fabiano and alonso alves goals ratio is 1 goal per game. hunteelar is 0.93 and torres is 0.73 and adebayor is 0.70. adebayor is young and i rember drogba being useless at adebayors age so given this fact, i expect adebayor to be better then drogba wthin 4 years time. arsenal will not win the premiership this year, it will be man utd, even possible just on goal differnce. next season we get carlos vela back . carlos vela is real talent. next year i am expecting rosicky to step up to the plate like hleb has done this season
By: uncle mike on March 12, 2008
at 12:18 pm
I apologize in advance for swearing but Clay, you’re the douche bag.
By: Rob on March 12, 2008
at 12:20 pm
Have been reading this blog everyday..been so consistent u’d think its a medicinal doze.Reason am commenting today is due to the simple fact that the Adebayor love seems to have stung everyone today!!
Am always frowning every other time when i read negative comments aimed at Ade..I cant seem to count how many times he’s bailed us out of a defeat..His magnificently scored goals have been a joy to look back nostalgically on..remember the goals against tha Spuds??how can u forget that?
Whoever thinks Ade doesnt deserve to pull the Arsenal Jersey should go Hang!..Am just thinkin if all this goals from Ade were from Bendtner the kind of excitement n hoola baloo we’d be hearing from all ya Ade HATERZ…Get off his case en lets focus on how to uplift the players on winning the DOUBLE…Arsenal is One BIG family!!Arsenal Milele(forever)
By: NairobiGooner on March 12, 2008
at 12:29 pm
not sure why ade get such grief, his improvement this year has been enormous. he has carried the the forward line on his own all year and we would be no where without his goals. he doesn’t help himself with his attitude sometimes on the pitch and his growing ego, however he is clearly a top forward in the making. his decison making isn’t always best but that will improve. as a forward your misses are always going to stand out and as in the past two games will cost you points thus provoking supporters anger. let’s be honest we all wanted to throttle him when he ran in one on one against birmingham and didn’t pass. his biggest weakness is when he is in on goal one on one, but hopefully that will improve with age and experiance.
with RVP next to him HOPEFULLY till the end of the season may be the pressure will be off him a bit and he can get back to goal scoring ways.
his importance is seen simply by how he has had a few off weeks an the team have been a shadow of that when he was on song.
By: dan on March 12, 2008
at 12:32 pm
i don’t agree that we are not reliant on certain players. ade / fab and flam are absolutly vital and have thankfully not had long term injuries.
no doubt united have been so lucky with rooney and ronaldo all year. but some players just naturally rarely get injured, ie an early TH.
By: dan on March 12, 2008
at 12:40 pm
Just a thought feollow Gooners!!The draw is 2 days away…ANY SPECIAL PREFERENCES????
By: NairobiGooner on March 12, 2008
at 12:40 pm
Just a thought fellow Gooners!!The draw is 2 days away…ANY SPECIAL PREFERENCES????
By: NairobiGooner on March 12, 2008
at 12:40 pm
As much as it infuriates me to read it over and over, I think I understand why Ade frustrates those who don’t really understand football all that well.
By his own admission, his shooting is the weakest part of his game. It is the last part of his game to develop. But developing it is.
He is such an awesome physical specimen, and is so good at everything else, that it is jarring when he is not spectacular at that as well.
By: nolaboyd on March 12, 2008
at 12:58 pm
Morning all,
I see some debate on Ade this morning and wanted to drop my 2 cents worth in. There is no question that Ade has improved this season, then again I believe that the team as a whole as done so, the result speak for themselves. I wouldn’t compare Ronaldo with Ade directly but it is difficult to claim that Ronaldo is a midfielder… he is a wing/striker. I see a midfield player as one who provides support both going forward and backwards, Ronny doesn’t do backwards. I would love to see Ronaldo in an Arsenal shirt, but then I would be complaining about how he is a selfish little git that cost us the game because he went for goal from an impossible angle as opposed to passing it to his strike partner to finish. As fans we are always going to find something to muse about because we are always looking for perfection. One reason I suspect Arsenal do not score more goals is that we often over elaborate on attacking moves which result in either a break down the play, a blocked shot or a frustrated half attempt. Against Milan the game was decided by a goal from distance and yet Arsenal are never champing at the bit to try those shots… why?
I would like to break from the Ade/Ronny debate and discuss the injuries this season. It seems to me, that between last season and this Arsenal have experienced a number of injuries to players… why? I know our medical team are well respected so what is it that results in these costly situations?
Finally, a few words on Vela. This boy has the kind of skill out wide that Arsenal desire, I truly believe that next season he’ll surprise many. The transition well indeed be a tough one because the league is not forgiving on the physical element but we’ll be talking of him more than the progression of Theo.
Oh actually, before I dash… interesting that united were so quiet on the debate about protecting players until Ronny and Sir ranted in the press. I was waiting for all the news hounds to bring out there comical quips about the lads being not up for it and being dandies, but no! I should have realised that it is only if you are in the Arsenal that you become so defamed.
A few more centimetres and we have the snowfall record… London’s grey doesn’t seem so bad now
Toronto signing off from the frozen streets Canada.
By: Toronto on March 12, 2008
at 1:05 pm
Hi Nairobi,
Great to see we have fans all over this little planet
I actually hope we draw Manuchester United, I cannot tell you why but I feel there is an aligning of the stars and Sir well be put firmly in his place.
By: Toronto on March 12, 2008
at 1:17 pm
I dont prefer Manutd….except for last year they have had better of us over few season now..i wud prefer Barcelona or any other non english team..
By: adc on March 12, 2008
at 1:37 pm
any of the foreign teams, certainly not man utd or chelsea
By: dan on March 12, 2008
at 1:47 pm
A lot of Ade’ness in the air I see. I see two sides o the debate
1. He has improved a whole lot from last season. He is still young and has the potential to be a legend.
2. He gives his all to the team and helps defensively too.
Having said that, he has his negative points:
1. He can be deeply frustrating at times, missing really open sitters.
2, Can be selfish sometimes – aka the Birmingham game when he should have passed to Bendtner.
3. Thinks too highly of himself. I fear he may be lured by the continental teams in a year or so.
So, he has plus and minus points. The key question in my mind is whether you would rather have him play on your side or against you.
I would frankly prefer that he is on our team rather than against us.
Yogi,
Clay is right you know. Comparing Ade with Ronaldo is not that straight forward. You need to strip out the penalty shots and set pieces that Ronaldo has scored from – to get a real comparison of their strike conversion. If that is done, I suspect Ade will have a higher strike rate.
By: daokta on March 12, 2008
at 1:47 pm
Dan
second that. The one team I would want to meet least is Man U. They know how we play too well. Give me a Barca or a Roma…
By: daokta on March 12, 2008
at 1:52 pm
Hmmm – Barca or Roma over Schalke?
Methinks not…..
By: Matt on March 12, 2008
at 2:24 pm
We love Ade but he infuriates us with his inconsistancy, ranging from the sublime to the ridiculous on a regular basis. However he’s exceeded all expectations this year so we have no cause for complaint. If Robin and Tomas had stayed fit with ade on recent form we’d be 6 – 10 points clear for sure.
However Ronaldo is Clearly the better player and we are kidding ourselves to imply anything else. Young Christiano has also improved a lot but fro a far higher starting position and is now almost as Dominant as TH 02-05. If he played for us and not the mancs the league would be virtually sewn up already. In terms of attacking wide men, only pires can be considered in the same bracket over the last 10 years, and although not as classy or as good a passer, Ronaldo is braver and stronger than bobby.
Agree with whoever said cesc is a big game player -( so is flim flam actually) and that’s why it is now his team and has been for 18 months. Ade is still very raw, but if he and RVP can make a partnership it could be great news for us. Annoyingly him and Niklas seem totally incompatable stylistically, but both are pretty good foils for Eduardo and Theo, so we’ll see. A big question will be answered when we see Carlos Vela – could he be the man to solve our left wing problem? Such a shame Reyes couldn’t settle. (and indeed that baptista’s finishing and decision making were so far behind his ability to find space in dangerous positions).
By: Matthew Wade on March 12, 2008
at 2:40 pm
Hey Toronto..yeah quite a small world it is..Am representing Nairobi Gooners and men aint they many!its an Arsenal Country…
I think getting Barcelona at the quarters wuld be great considering Arsenal are always on top of their game wen playing the so called ‘Big Teams’.Barcelona try playing football the way it should be played ha!ha!ha!i would love to get one over them..wuld be a sweet revenge on them 2-1 at Emirates,1-0 at Nou camp..just one painful goal..it would be a joy to watch the 80k plus fans weep
By: NairobiGooner on March 12, 2008
at 2:44 pm
Thanks for that Yogi, finally, some light on Ade… those of us who go to Arsenal week in week out see first hand what amazing potential he has and i’m gobsmacked when fellow Arsenal fans state otherwise – He is, as Flint McC’ said earlier – ’several players in one’ – and i think if his finishing develops as fast as the rest of his game we’ll have the complete striker in a year or two’s time. Until then 20 – 25 goals a season is surely good enough.
By: Rev on March 12, 2008
at 2:55 pm
Are you kidding me Toronto, I know Arsene wouldn’t buy me for a penny….You forgot that I’m a cheat, I dive over thin air, I step over the ball a lot for not apparent reason……You forgot that Wenger looks for personality & talent…..You may argue I have talent….but my personality is debatable….
I remind me of the biggest cheat ever….the great Rude Van Nestlerooy.
By: Ronaldo_Speaking on March 12, 2008
at 4:01 pm
hey there all i think ade’s ego is fast growing which is not good for either him or the team like take a good example of the birmingham game and he is fond of underestimating the opposition sometimes he came from having a wonderful game at the san zero but never really turned yp at the jjb oh i eant jjzzzzzzz
better known as animal farm but thats no excuse but thats no excuse he shud hav killed off the game iin the 1st minute that was so easy but he failed coz he underestimated kirk..whatever his name is
just a mere thought of that miss am sickened
anywayz speaking of friday i want chelsea i’ve never really gotten over that brigde goal during the unbeaten run …yeah remember yeah still painful
what do you say
By: klagunner on March 12, 2008
at 4:26 pm
hey there all i think ade’s ego is fast growing which is not good for either him or the team like take a good example of the birmingham game and he is fond of underestimating the opposition sometimes he came from having a wonderful game at the san zero but never really turned yp at the jjb oh i eant jjzzzzzzz
better known as animal farm but thats no excuse but thats no excuse he shud hav killed off the game iin the 1st minute that was so easy but he failed coz he underestimated kirk..whatever his name is
just a mere thought of that miss am sickened
anywayz speaking of friday i want chelsea i’ve never really gotten over that brigde goal during the unbeaten run …yeah remember yeah still painful
what do you say
By: klagunner on March 12, 2008
at 4:27 pm
Yogi,
I think you need to add Google Translate to your blog mate.
By: G4E on March 12, 2008
at 4:51 pm
people write like Ade talks.
I want either Barca or Schalke. If I had to get an English side, then Chelsea, followed by Liverpool. would far prefer any foreign side to any English side.
Am I right in thinking they do the semi final draw at the same time?
By: gazzap on March 12, 2008
at 5:29 pm
Whilst we all debating how good or not good Ade is, Torres has been incredible so far, and hes modest too. which Ade is NOT, all the stories about Manu wanting him came from Ade, and last week thanking all those who made him world class, hes nowhere near world class yet. RVP is a striker like Torres and if was ever fit for a whole season he could become world class.
By: solgooner on March 12, 2008
at 5:29 pm
We will have a chance to see Vela when Mexico plays Ghana in 2 weeks time.
By: solgooner on March 12, 2008
at 5:30 pm
Define world class Solgooner?
By: Ronaldo_Speaking on March 12, 2008
at 5:39 pm
Pele, Best, Kaka, Ronaldinho, Henry, Viera, Bergkamp, Messi, etc. etc.
By: solgooner on March 12, 2008
at 5:46 pm
No, define what makes those players a world class?
By: Ronaldo_Speaking on March 12, 2008
at 5:51 pm
Blank….blank…..blank
By: Ronaldo_Speaking on March 12, 2008
at 6:01 pm
Players who can influence games .
By: solgooner on March 12, 2008
at 6:14 pm
I see, so Ade didn’t influence any of our games in your opinion? He didn’t influence his country to reach the world cup? An international competetion, unless you mean he has to influence each and every game…….in that case non of the players you mentioned above are world class….no player is, was or will be really.
By: Ronaldo_Speaking on March 12, 2008
at 6:30 pm
sol i think you set yourself up with that answer!!!!
By: dan on March 12, 2008
at 6:40 pm
Nice going solgooner.
By: Gunner4Ever on March 12, 2008
at 6:45 pm
Klagunner where is the evidence of Ade’s growing ego? Whenever I’ve seen him speak he is quick to talk about the team and how he could not do anything without the rest of the team. So he failed to pass to a team mate once or twice but they’ve all done that at times. Would you rather he was like Hleb who will always elect to pass rather than take a shot and risk missing? You can’t have it all ways. We would not be top of the league without Ade’s all round contribution, including his 19 goals.
Solgunner, Ade has delivered the goals to help Arsenal top the league so how does he compare unfavourably to Torres? It sounds like a case of the grass is always greener…
By: Passenal on March 12, 2008
at 7:06 pm
He does not compare unfavourably but Torres is more the finished article.
As for the world class all the players I mentioned excelled in the Champions league , for their countries or world cup Ade was more worried about getting his bonus in the world cup that he actually went on strike. Im not knocking him Im saying he has another 2 years to really be the finished article
By: solgooner on March 12, 2008
at 7:51 pm
Lets hope RVP and Ade play together for the last 14 games and then we can see how good both are
By: solgooner on March 12, 2008
at 7:54 pm
Torres doesn’t do half of what Ade does for the team. Torres doesn’t score with his head, and not so good in the air. If Ade stays in the box the 90 minutes he will score more and be the finished article, but he does more for the team than that.
The problem with trying to compare Arsenal strikers is that Arsene doesn’t limit them to one job….For example Eduardo was viewed as the “Fox in the Box” that’s what he was before coming to Arsenal, once he is in, he was trained to play all over the place….inside the box, outside the box, falling behind the front striker. Same goes to Walcott and Bendtner.
By: Gunner4Ever on March 12, 2008
at 8:27 pm
Why are people never content with what they have..
Torres is a Liverpool player, Ronaldo is a Manure player.
We have RVP, Adebayor, Walcott, Eduardo, Bendtner.. (30m)
ManU have: Saha, Rooney, Tevez, Ronaldo (84m)
Liverpool: Torres, Kuyt, Voronin, Crouch, Babel (50m)
Chelsea: Drogba, Chevy, Pizaro, Anelka, Kalou (70M ????)
How about we give Wenger some respect? Surely he knows what he is doing?
I am happy with what we have… I will look forward to seeing Bendtner and Walcott develop and give serious competition to RVP and Ade. Such organic progression should be encouraged not frowned upon.
By: shango on March 12, 2008
at 8:49 pm
I don’t know what’s going on Shango.
Where is Voronin, does he actually play any more…what a waste of club’s money?? And Babel gets to play as much as our 19 year old Walcott…actually Walcott maybe played more.
Saha is injured since world war I
Chevy, what a “huge” waste of money? Pizzaro a flea market player.
By: Gunner4Ever on March 12, 2008
at 8:59 pm
Gunner4Ever:
Adebayor contributes a lot to the team. The number of runs he makes for balls of the top gives us a major outlet. Allowing players like Cesc and Hleb to play on the front foot.
Sadly in England you can only be a star player if you score goals. The Cesc phenom that is Cesc is missed by fans and pundits alike. Here we have potentially the greatest Arsenal Player ever. His achievement already at just 20 defies belief. But to most he has to score before his contribution is rated. Defensively, offensively, class, stamina, heart and an IQ way higher than most footballers and Pundits alike.
Instead we have Arse fans waxing lyrical about Torres and Ronaldo.
For me I rather wax about the wonderful talent our disposal, Clichy, Kolo, Hleb, Cesc, Ade, RVP, Bendtner, Sagna, Rosicky, Senderos and even Lehman..These players more than anything else, have serious serious bottle. That is something I think will give us and edge this season.
By: shango on March 12, 2008
at 9:09 pm
G4E:
Voronin is injured. On Walcott, it also amaze me when the media and fans think he is not developing because he is not a regular starter.
Such rubbish comments always proof how ignorant a lot of Pundits and fans are.
Why would any 18 year old not be happy playing and developing in our current set up? Seriously speaking how much has Bentley developed since he left us. How many think he will play consistently for England?
By: shango on March 12, 2008
at 9:15 pm
Shango
The rub of this is that it is easier to cast covetous glances at what you think you might have had. Too many people believe that we could have signed player X, Y, Z in the summer but lost out to Arsene’s parsimony.
Yet the man himself admits the only one ‘who got away’ was Babel. The rest is media invention. Too much envy going around without respect being shown to the current squad. And this is what it boils down to. A lack of respect. For their abilities. For their hard work in getting to where we are now. In the run-in, faint hearts will lose out yet the players are giving their all.
It is a lot like the late 80s. It could either be 87-88 when we fade away or 88-89 when we took it to the wire, with patchy form but showed the resolve to win through in the end.
Personally I believe it is 88-89.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on March 12, 2008
at 9:20 pm
YW: “parsimony” that is a new word for me.
But I agree totally, all these by fans, pundits, players, managers begin to move football away from being a sport.
Evident by how shit we are in all sports. We have a dedicated 24 hour sports channel and all it really covers is football.
I’m digressing I know forgive me; I was just yesterday watching a Eurosport and they had an interval and showed what sports they would be showing over the next week or so.
And you had Basketball, Volleyball, Handball, Xgames, some swimming championship list goes on.
In the team sports, No English club was represented? Why is that…? The Spanish, French and Germans and a lot of smaller european nations.
Fundementally we are terrible in sports, have no idea of how to set up the right environs to foster development of sports talent..
What scares me most, is we are planning to host the olympics in 4 years.
By: shango on March 12, 2008
at 9:36 pm
(Had a peek in here) What happened, what’s wrong with us..? OK granted, we all have different ideas about how Ade or some of our players have perform so far. Fine and very well. But let’s step back a little bit and see what’s NEEDED to last it and give the PL title the best shot we could muster now, as opposed to what we WANT to do (i.e. moan or say we should have bought so and so players or complain about what our players haven’t done enough, which is counter-productive). True, what’s needed from the PLAYERS is the fighting spirit, confidence despite the difficulties ahead, a bit more freshness/sharpness (which RvP, Kolo, Theo and hopefully Rosicky can provide asap). What’s needed from US now though is less rant, more support. If we want to criticise anything, fine, let’s do it here but don’t over-do it as that negative thinking is bad blood in our collective system. What we really need to do as fans right now is give our last bit of support until the bitter end.
And for the record, I think Ade improvement has been nothing short of phenomenal and the scary thing’s that he’s still improving so don’t judge him as a finished article (to becoming which Ronaldo and Torres are much closer). YW’s comparison is useful in a sense that we’re comparing the 2 top scorer in the league now. He also added the caveats as to where the 2 players differ. If we have to find a complete like-for-like player to make the comparison, (1) it’s hard, cos Ade is quite unique as a player because, as Flint rightly pointed out, he’s like a few players rolled into one who happens to play up front; (2) nobody in that mould does better than him in terms of goals scored, that’s obvious. If anything, he’s more similar to Rooney (in terms of falling back and helping the team) than Ronaldo or Torres. And he’s obviously out-scored Rooney in the league. Then what are you banging on about?
I understand we usually post when we find things to pick on, seldom go online to tell our fellow Gooners positive things (which quite a few of us actually do, e.g. those good articles or positive thinking stuff). I tend to think the way Arsene does, if we want the team to do well, the first thing we need is the belief that we CAN do well. And where’s that belief among us? Come on, you know the team’s a good one and we can at least put up a good fight now that we’ve got some good players back.
By: Lou on March 12, 2008
at 10:55 pm
Hi, all. Solgooner, can I just say about Adebayor and the bonus row – as I understand it, he was standing up for his teammates. The local FA was refusing to pass on to the squad the bonuses to which they were entitled. Ade himself probably wouldn’t have missed the money – he must be just about the most well-paid Togolese footballer there is – but it meant a lot to his teammates, and their extended families. If your boss refused to pass on your performance bonus, and tried to keep the money for him or herself, surely you would applaud a colleague who made a stand about handing over the cash?
By: FunGunner on March 12, 2008
at 10:55 pm
Thank you solo gooner,G4E,Shango,Lou, Rev, Yogi for injecting a little bit of sanity to this debatate. It is absolutley Ludicrous to compare Ade to Ronaldo. What has Ade got to do to prove his pedigree. And to all you Ron/Torres lovers Clay,saminator, rexes are you getting paid?Anybody would think Thierry never missed a sitter. He never scored at OT either and tended to be anonymous in Europe save 2005/6 season and against Inter Milan.
Firstly Ronaldo has been producing at a high level for at least 2 seasons and achieving his peak the other Ade is just getting started.Ade is an overall team player he brings more to the team and probably doesnt score as many goals becoz besides being a striker and just waiting for the ball as most strikers do he is an advanced defender, he always looks for the ball playing all over the pitch and holds the ball well in a lone striking role playing on his own day in and day out drawing the defenders out into dangerous positions and setting up other players. Like Rev says He is “several players in one”. Ronaldo always bombs down the wing.Very predictable!
Arsenal dont need more chances to score they just create more chances to score.And as Ade always says “I know we can score anytime”
Also we need to draw attention to what percentage of Ronaldos goals are from dead ball situations (penalties/free kicks) where the greasy haired winker wasnt actually being marked and tap ins! I think you will find that Ade beats Ronaldo in scoring goals in free play where he was marked and created the goals not just tapped them in.
As for an ego the guy seems pretty down to earth to me. he is always thanking Wenger for having faith in him, never seeking self praise and always praising the work of his team, So he missed at St Andrews we would be slagging him of fo passing it if Bendner had missed!
By: Gooner4Life on March 13, 2008
at 1:09 am
I’m by no means close to Ade but I do try to understand this ‘ego’ thing people keep speaking about. Sometimes I wonder if Ade’s misunderstood a little bit.
When you hear him speak in interviews, he’s a down-to-earth young man, grateful for the faith and opportunities given by Arsene, happy to be playing with this group of teammates, acutely aware of his shortcomings and eager to improve, thankful for everything he has now because of his humble background and positive in general. Sometimes in defeat he doesn’t seem very gutted, saying things like “that’s football” but that’s his optimism speaking, (seemingly) not complacency.
I also understand where some of the criticisms are coming from. Sometimes he might appear to be less level-headed on the pitch because, as I can imagine:
1. Sometimes he fails to give scoring opportunities to his teammates, looking like he’s selfish, despite the fact that a teammate’s in a better position to score than he is. Which I can try to explain:
(a) Selfishness – or possibly the ‘ego’ thing some of you talked about. That’s however what every striker should have. It’s the flip side of the confidence in one’s shooting ability, to a certain extent.
(b) Lack of understanding – I’m not sure how much of this has to do with the fact that he’s used to sometimes playing up front as a lone striker, other times his striker partner changing. RvP, Bentner, Eduardo and Theo have taken turns in a 4-4-2 this season, while Hleb and sometimes Cesc (de facto) act as the guy behind him in a 4-4-1-1/4-5-1. Without a fixed partner it’s hard for him to know where to run or who to pass it to. Let’s not forget that the Bergkamp-Henry kind of thing takes years to develop.
(c) Lack of vision/ability to read the game – this is something we hail Cesc for: seeing ways to create chances when others can’t. It’s a special skill which maybe Ade hasn’t quite mastered yet and which Cesc happens to have an abundance of.
(d) Attitude – a short term problem with Bendtner?
2. Sometimes he might look ‘big-headed’ on the pitch because of the ways he celebrates his goals. To me that’s just a young man showing his excitement and pride in the goals he scored. And as YW rightly pointed out, many of those goals did change the game from loss to draw, from draw to win, some of them were difficult to score, some of them were just peaches, some of them were scored against big opponents in big games. In our own culture(s) we might not have that face after scoring a goal. But we’re talking about an ultimately happy young man who thoroughly enjoys what he’s doing because of what he’s been through (e.g. he mentioned how he learnt it the hard way how to be professional after Monaco, how to treasure what he’s got now after his humble childhood, how to enjoy his life and career after what he’s seen in Africa, etc.)
To be quite honest, we might not be able to interpret his behaviour correctly because of cultural differences. To judge him using our own social norms to me is a to an extent ignorance/arrogance too. We can see he’s changed and improved already in these 2 years at the club. Let’s not fall into the trap of prejudice and keep appreciating (observing, if you like) the young man because he’s in the best of hands in Arsene Wenger and he’ll only improve.
Sorry for the long post, I thought we shouldn’t jump to conclusions about someone’s character. Just wanted to give my best shot at trying to understand/explain the perceived ‘ego’ issues.
By: Lou on March 13, 2008
at 2:37 am
Great posts with great attitude as usual Lou. I will just elaborate on the “Selfishness” claims:
If you take AC Milan game for example, on two occasions that I recall:
1- Diaby’s chance, when Adebayor was on his own up front and Teed Diaby…if he was selfish, he would have tried to shoot himself….but he showed good judgment and made the right decision by setting up his teammate coming from Medfield un-marked.
2- Fabregas hitting the cross-bar, when Ade got past two defenders on the left side into the box, he could’ve shot on goal himself…after all, he is the striker….instead, again he teed Fabregas.
These are just two examples, that if he was really selfish and in a glory game like this, he would have taken those chances to himself….and no one could blame the main striker for taking his chances selfishly.
Any one trying to level those charges at Ade, just can’t find any excuses other than lame ones. Our kind of football depends heavily on team work and hugely on selfless players…..Henry, Bergkamp, Peres, and the list goes on and on…..there is no room for selfish players in Arsene’s teams…it wouldn’t work, in fact sometimes the real problem is being over-selfless and trying to set up others when it’s better to take the chance.
Some players may come to us with a selfish streak in them, but it is always stripped out of them in a matter of a few games…then they fall into the Arsenal team play pattern.
G4E
By: Gunner4Ever on March 13, 2008
at 6:02 am
watever anyone says….ade has done a gr88 job for his team this season..when things dont go his way..his shoulders start to drop too early…ronaldo fares so well bcoz defenders have to be on the look out for rooney and tevez as well..not to forget nani too….they have far too many attack minded players so the defenders cant do a 2 on 1 or 3 on 1 and leave other guys open.
With ade evone knows..he will hold..defenders do 2-3 on 1 on him while others just man mark other players running to positions looking for 2nd ball.
In that respect he has done gr88 for the 19 goals..but his goals drying up a bit..y?? coz the midfield is failing to get into good positions now and more importantly goals from mid has dried… imagine ade going 1-1 with a defender…i dont c him losing the ball..for tht we need to have our players in more attacking role or have more attck minded(less injury prone and not square runners, un-rosicky like) players. His biggest strength…his dominance in air…he is less of a fatal striker that we wud like to have.
By: gooooooooner on March 13, 2008
at 6:24 am
After reading that write up it is quite obvious that someone has been playing with himself for too long. Adebeyour(the poser) will be the reason that we lose the league. It seems that some people have become so over committed in their adulation that they praise him when he scores and make excuses for him when he has a shocker. Like arsene you do not want to be proved wrong. I am all for Henry coming back as long as the trade-in includes the poser.
By: terry on March 13, 2008
at 6:55 am
Ade says: I’m going no where Terry…better get used to it.
I wish you find the time-machine to go backwards.
Good Luck
By: G4E on March 13, 2008
at 7:36 am
I agree but ronaldo has never done it on a consistent basis against the best…witness euros also big matches in prem..not seen for dust.
similiar problem with Ade. Rooney does do it however and our answer to him is Robin
Now if only he could stay fit
By: JGOS2 on March 13, 2008
at 1:23 pm
Terry – Henry’s way passed his sell by date mate, get with the programme!
By: Rev on March 13, 2008
at 2:34 pm
Here Rev. Good comments from you Lou and G4E as usual.
Terry!You need to buy a Tardis and go back in time.This club has moved eons past TH14’s ego.
By: Gooner4Life on March 13, 2008
at 5:07 pm
Fair comment. I should have clarified my statement. I was not suggesting Henry did come back. I meant I would be prepared to accept him if it meant Adebeyour going the other way.
By: terry on March 14, 2008
at 5:33 am
Подбор текстов хороший удачный, добавлю сайт в избранное.
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at 12:20 am
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at 8:40 pm
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at 12:43 pm
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at 4:46 am
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