The Aston Villa match is being used as a stick with which to beat the team in the papers this morning but Cesc is having none of it,
When you are so young and if you do not have this spirit, it is very difficult to do something. If a team is weak mentally, you do not come back from these games – because these are matches when everything is against you, maybe it is not the best game of your life, but still you come back and get the points. That means something. We have to be strong and at least we have come back fighting until the end…We are young and we are there, so we have to look at the positives, not the negatives
Which you have to say is the right attitude to have. However, we cannot look at the Villa result in isolation as it is either the end of a poor run, or worst case, in the middle of one. The question that needs to be answered on the pitch is when they will respond. The question should also be asked of us as supporters as well. The relationship between the pitch and the stands is a vicious circle; if one is not working, it is often the case that the other fails as well.
Talking to people about this, the most striking thing is the change in supporters’ attitudes over the years. There is a more marked split now between those who believe in getting behind the team and those who sit and want to be entertained, responding accordingly. Is this because of the changing demographics of the crowd or a reflection of a less ‘involved’ society? Whatever the case, The Emirates needs to be more intimidating for opponents. Forget artificially created terrace anthems, people do not respond to them. It comes from the collective desire to build a fortress. Visiting players like to come to the stadium because it is one of the best in the country but it is the team that force them onto the back foot, not the crowd at the moment. Perhaps we need to do more to reinforce the fear that they have of the team?
Milan would be the ideal game to come out of this rut, for the confidence that a positive result would give, achieved at one of the toughest venues. Arguably this is a season when in the games away from home against the big teams, Arsenal have been found wanting. A win in the league at Tottenham, an unlucky draw at Anfield are the best whilst there have been defeats at Seville, Old Trafford and White Hart Lane. It is reminiscent of the form in the lead up to the match in Madrid which was something like 4 defeats, 3 draws and 4 wins. That match produced possibly the most complete Arsenal away performance in Europe on the back of indifferent domestic results and gave the team an incredible amount of self-belief. For the same to happen at the San Siro would be an ideal response.
Arrigo Sacchi does not think it will be the case, believing Arsenal blew their best chance through being too young a side although age appears to be Milan’s greatest enemy according to their former manager although Fabio Capello thinks the tie is evenly balanced.
In the papers this weekend, not sure about the Mail as I did not read it or look at their website. Emmanuel Adebayor has an in-depth interview in The Sunday Times in which he talks about his improvements over his career and how his motivation is to prove everyone wrong, particularly where goalscoring is concerned. Bacary Sagna speaks of his brothers’ untimely death.
‘til Tomorrow.























I feel we still have a good chance of progressing past Milan.
A score draw is all we need, and although the goals have dried up lately i cant see that lasting.
Three members of our midfield Cesc, Hleb and Flamini have been going through a lean spell of form recently but i cant see that lasting, they will come good why not in Milan?
Fatigue is perhaps a reason why we are struggling but by all accounts they are fearing the same in their ageing team.
They have injuries to key players and the pressure will be on whoever replaces the like of Kaka (if he doesnt play) Seedorf etc.
We can do this, lets all have some faith.
By: veteran on March 3, 2008
at 8:18 am
veteran faith is exactly what we need, but I’ve seen some unbelievable comments from so called supporters recently. The team need our support and the vocal encouragement at the matches is a big part of that. They are trying to win silverware for us as well so it’s the least we can do.
By: Passenal on March 3, 2008
at 8:35 am
My team to beat Milan.
Almunia.
Sagna- Kolo-Gallas- Clicy.
Eboue- Fabregas- Flamini- Hleb.
RVP- Adebayor.
AW must play RVP on Tuesday; Walcott could come in to play the last 20′.
Common the Arsenal.
AC Milan 1 Arsenal 2.
By: lc on March 3, 2008
at 8:47 am
Would much rather have RVP for the remaining 10 games of the season, therefore restricting his role on tuesday to the last 10 minutes where hopefully he wont be needed. We’ve all seen that RVP is fragile and I can just envisage him being withdrawn with an occurrence of one of his injuries after 20 minutes if he’s thrown into such a high-profile game.
By: Jason Hill on March 3, 2008
at 9:14 am
no rvp for me as well..5 midfield to start with
By: adc on March 3, 2008
at 9:28 am
Passenal couldnt agree more
By: veteran on March 3, 2008
at 9:33 am
I think Theo will be our secret weapon. AW will have to prepare him mentally for this task, especially what he does with the ball after the dribbles. RVP can come in for 30 mins to keep him warm. We need Ebue to better his Emirates performance. I will still prefer Senderous for his height as am not sure of Kolo’s form. Mark you, Sendy played with pain in his hamstring in the AVilla match. As much as I prefer a defensive formation (4-5-1), the best form of defence is attack and I think a 4-4-2 will do us good.
Anybody have news on Song?
By: confidentgoner on March 3, 2008
at 9:44 am
Veteran,
Think Kaka will absolutely play. Pato looked a bit of player, pace and ball control and the comforts of home should make him dangerous.
No you’re right we can do this.
This young squad can pull together and find the goals again. Until, Van Persie returns to sharpness, I would like to see us return to a 4-5-1 with Hleb supporting Ade.
One big result, can get us back song. Starting with a 1-1 in Milan! That will do! Let’s get that confidence coursing through the veins again.
By: Danny on March 3, 2008
at 9:53 am
This is my first time am posting anything here, but I have to say I really love reading your blog. Very nice posts.
The Aston Villa game, was very stressful indeed to watch, but for some reason I believed we will pull a goal. Its soo weird these days our draws look like wins!! You have to admit the draws have been hugely celebrated, and its always nice we are rewarded by the position on the table.
But I dont think I can stand another draw, especially when it comes so late in the game.
For the Milan game, even though he is not going to play I think its nice to have Van Persie on the bench. This will boost the morale of the team and will scare Milan a bit, knowing what VP can do. And even worse, their key players are out.
By: Justin on March 3, 2008
at 10:06 am
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at 10:42 am
yeah RVP and walcott to come on later to change the game. milan wont know what to do with that pace and guile after 70 minutes. but first and foremost we need to keep it tight for 70 minutes and maybe nick a goal if we can. I fancy us later on in the game IF we can keep it tight for 60-70 mins. even just 1-0 down might be OK, but we must not go 2-0 down.
Diaby needs to protect Clichy more than he generally does. thats one of my main worries. though luckily milan dont play with wingers so perhaps the way he plays inside wont be too much of a problem for us.
By: gazzap on March 3, 2008
at 10:56 am
I think we need to score first, being a goal down at San Siro isnt the same as at Emirates, RVP should only play 20 minutes maximum, hes had very little time to practice and his shooting will not be as sharp as when hes been around a while.
By: solgooner on March 3, 2008
at 11:29 am
Concur a win against Milan will be what the doctor ordered and will set us up again. Looking at the remaining fixtures a draw at Manure and Chelsea with Manure losing to Chelsea would surely almost give us the cup. We have the team to achieve that and more. With players returning sickness including Eboue from suspension we have a more than reasonable chance. I prefer it when no one gives a hope at all, and we drop off the radar. It must be said even though I hate to admit it Manure do look the goods but with a heavy campaign and fixture list it may go against them. I for one await with added interest our match against Milan and Wigan, and return to our earlier playing days would be most welcome.
By: Old Timer on March 3, 2008
at 11:58 am
why not introduce rvp from the start, and get the things rooling rightaway?
Bentner or Walcott will be in a very different mindset replacing rvp after an hour than being under pressure to be replaced by the long awaited dutchman.
I also like Senderos in the back as I am Swiss and want him to improve (yes he can)
By: christophe on March 3, 2008
at 11:59 am
Good comments Yogi as usual.
It was a miserable performance, but I’m proud of the way the team stuck at it – Martin Samuel sums it up well today, it could be a big moment for us that equaliser, or it could be a minor note in our downfall, it’s hard to say which right now because the team is so tired, we desperately need players back now, but you’re right, now is the time to focus on the supporters because that’s what can help get the team through this.
I for one, don’t have a problem with the Arsenal crowd. I don’t think we’re any different to most teams, I’d say we’re patient, and supportive when needed. Yes it can be quiet, but that’s the same for any team that has been successful, and for any team that dominates games. It does become more a matter of enjoying the offering, rather than generating the entertainment. That’s the same for Liverpool and Man Utd. On big games, big days, you get big noise, and I think our fans deliver on that. In terms of does the crowd pick the team up, or vice-versa, I think a bit of both. On Saturday, it was very evident that the team felt broken by the Birmingham game, and the fans did too. I don’t think you can blame the fans for that, it’s just the way they/we felt. We tried our best to pick the team up and build momentum, and the team did likewise, it just didn’t really happen for either. Every time the fans got going, Cesc would deliver a morale-crushing corner, that would break the spirit of the fans and the team – it was just plain ass difficult.
I feel quite optimistic for tomorrow, I believe in this team’s quality / determination, and despite what Martin O’Neill says, I believe we’re really owed some better luck. Maybe, just maybe, we’ll get an own-goal/deflection going into the opposition’s net this season.
By: hboy on March 3, 2008
at 12:44 pm
Morning all,
I’m a little late but I managed to catch the game here in Toronto on Saturday, at the end of which I sat back drank my coffee and thought about what I had just watched. I want to start by giving credit to Villa who clearly won the battle of the midfield, they cut out the passing channels and generally hurried Arsenal in to poor passes. It is no surprise to me to see the Villains doing very well because they have the best British manager in the game today (including Sir Red Nose). I’m sure this has already been debated here but I couldn’t see Arsenal scoring at all in that game, yes we managed a late one from Nick but truly we were slow and seemingly uninterested. Wenger talked about the fact that we are suffering an Eduardo hangover, but it is not rocket science to see that we have no time or the points for such. I am not jumping on the bandwagon of doom sayers about Arsenal and the points we have dropped but I am concerned that we are going to let all the hard work go by the boards because we are stuck looking back at what happened and not forward with what can be achieved. I want Arsenal to win the league, it is more important to me than the Cup (Champions League) but at the same time we have to measure how far we have come this season already and I think we can all agree that in comparison to previous seasons there has been much to enjoy. The debate near the beginning of the season was the depth of the squad and there is no question injuries have played a part in the issues we have now. I sincerely hope that regardless of where Arsenal finish come the close of the league this season that Wenger looks back and realises that we need added depth at CB and LW. I presume that there are a few fans out there that may wish for more depth in the striking department but I feel with Vela coming and also Walcott we have the goods to compete and yes, though Walcott did fade in the game his runs, use of space and even his crosses are getting better. I want to see Ade score again because these headers he is getting just under could have resulted in two goals, yet we are not that far away from reproducing the goods we showed earlier. I have faith that we’ll finish well though like the rest of you I am concerned at the lack of passion from last Saturday.
The Champions League draws nearer and whilst I wish Arsenal well, there is a little part of me that would not worry to much to see us lose. I believe that this tie is winnable, in fact Milan have to come out and play more than they did in London and that alone may open them up to the counter punch we can so quickly throw. The flip side is a defeat here well add to the criticism of the team in the papers and play upon the minds of the players. I can see Ade coming good in this game, I wish Arsenal well and to all the fans that add their thoughts to this blog, Thank you for the insights.
By: Toronto on March 3, 2008
at 1:00 pm
hboy Toronto good points and in General i agree. Would really like to see us finish off Milan and I do feel if we lost it would be a dampener. After Wigan we have Middlesborough then we face Chelsea at SB. The confidence gained from a win at Milan would i feel push us on.
By: Old Timer on March 3, 2008
at 1:11 pm
Toronto .. we also need at least one outstanding creative midfield player for next season
too much responsibility lies with a 20 years old ..
one who quite frankly, is a great player, but hasnt been on top of his game for many a month now
both him and Hleb shouldnt play every game
there should be competition for places
the AW style of not upsetting his little darlings and running a small squad has been proven wrong in recent years and might well be proven wrong again this season .. and has already been at WHL and ManU
maybe a change in tactics is required
the way things are done at Arsenal is a little stale these days
you cannot as a fan, as I am reading here from some crazy people, not be bothered by going out of the CL tomorrow
come on, we got humiliated twice this season already and now we are not bothered about losing in the last 16 in the CL?? fukking again!!
what kind of mentality is that?
we should win or try to at least and demand from our players to go and win every single game
with our remaining fixtures list, it now appears highly unlikely that we will win the league.. sorry chaps .. but we are still playing the 4 direct competitors for the league and the CL places
did you watch the crap we played against AV??
stop putting a spin on this perf .. it was absolute rubbish .. ManU could even rest Rooney/Ronaldo and walk away
CFC are getting there ..
and our supporters from the rose tinted brigade here are happy to see us go out of the CL
some of you are complete nutcases..I tell you!!
By: BB on March 3, 2008
at 1:55 pm
BB… I quite understand your view though I cannot readily agree your views much like you are having trouble obviously with mine. I made no assertion that Arsenal should be okay with losing to Milan, rather I looked or indeed attempted to see the plus and minus of the fixture. The fact Arsenal make the step to the last 16 and regularly fail to get beyond it is a frustration to all fans not just yourself. You are correct that Wenger seems to prefer the smaller squad and given he is top of the league (even if by a mere 1 point) makes his judgement more sound than yours or mine. That he does pander to certain team players and if that is the case then it is his call to make not yours nor indeed mine. I don’t see myself as a nutter, I would hasten to add that I don’t see you as one either. The fact is that injuries have been plentiful this season and that has added to the burden on those players fit and ready for action. As Arsenal fans we have been spoilt for years now as to the play of the side, that style likewise brings expectations and perhaps you don’t see them as being fulfilled? I look at it like this, we made no huge buys this season and yet have played better and put ourselves (at this time) in to an automatic qualifying spot for next years Champions League… in my book that is an improvement over the past two seasons. Yes, the side have under performed by there standards in the past couple of games but these are real people not machines out there and whilst they play to the public, they have emotions and expectations too. I have faith this team shall perform, but if they don’t I am not about to start ranting or raving. Some fans seem to act more spoilt than many of the players in the game, perhaps we need to take stock of ourselves before starting to cast stones here there and everywhere!
By: Toronto on March 3, 2008
at 2:12 pm
BB… I would like to add that one of the complaints about Manchester United has been their inability to win without Rooney and Ronaldo this season, so one game in which they do does not justify the point you are trying to make. I would love to see how United would fair week in and week out without either player! Arsenal players have done a wonderful job over the course of this season.
By: Toronto on March 3, 2008
at 2:15 pm
Toronto .. the club is spinning itself as one of the biggest ones in the world .. i just go along with this hype and pay top notch ticket prices for it and want to see a bigger/better squad able to compete in ALL competitions unless we are being sold a dummy and we are not the 5 stars plus outfit we are made to believe
at the end of the day, we lost 5-1 and 4-0 to our biggest rivals .. we cannot and should not caution a CL exit .. btw our squad selection got us to play Milan rather than a weaker team ..
hard facts and not the nice ones
it is irrelevant how many points we are in front now .. the way we are currently playing would suggest that we wont continue to lead for much longer considering the fixtures list
as far as injuries are concerned, we bought Rosicky who has never played more than 20/25 games a season at Dortmund .. the EPL is a tougher competition on top of it, so we should have been prepared for his long layoffs
RVP is fastly modelling himself on Robben so again, nothing dramatically new .. thats why we should have a bigger group of players
By: BB on March 3, 2008
at 2:22 pm
BB… I take your valid points on board, there has to be some thought given to the injuries concerning Rosicky who has always been a game in and a couple out. The club likewise have a model to become one of the biggest teams or sporting brands in the world and with that does come with expectations concerning the league position, champions league and player investment. I am sure that a number of contributors to this blog are silently nodding their heads as they read that. The fact is we subscribe to the Wenger way, right or wrong he does not make huge splashes in to the transfer market. I am not about to say he should not, because if we have the available finances then making a splash could be exactly what the club needs… but the point is he doesn’t, never really has and is probably never likely too. I agree to that being beaten so convincingly by both Spurs and Man Utd weren’t exactly the highlight of the year but you cannot have it all. Regardless of whether we make a splash for next year in the transfer market or not we also need to promote youth and we are not about to ever be the Chelsea or Man Utd’s of this world that spend for the sake of spending. I would love to see a world class player brought to Arsenal, a mature player able to lift the team on their shoulders and contribute to a title and or champions league run but lets face it they are as rare as hen’s teeth. I am not disagreeing with your points they are as valid as any I may hold. The fact is that I wasn’t sold a dummy, I was sold on a club that has a vision of the future the way they see it within the resources they have and playing as attractive football as they can. They are the Arsenal come a win or a loss, and I am a fan come the pain or the gloss.
By: Toronto on March 3, 2008
at 2:43 pm
On a slightly separate note, the latest details pertaining to the “Richest Football Clubs”. I saw that Manchester United moved in to second spot, with much media speculation that they would pass Real Madrid within the next few years. However, what I found most interesting is that all these figures did not include any player acquisitions? Now, on that basis any club with a good turn over could spend £100 million a season on players and stay at the top but are they actually rich or are they merely holding debt? In light of the world wide credit issue that ferments such disquiet in the financial capitals of the world it is interesting to note that trying to hide debt or repackage it can lead to large losses and or bankruptcy and we are all not so lucky as Real Madrid that gets government funding to keep it a float.
By: Toronto on March 3, 2008
at 2:51 pm
ok to be frank we dont feel we can win the champs lge but this fixture against Milan aint bout that no more its bout what a defeat will do to our season…it will finish it
we win tomorow we get that boost for the upcoming Wigan n M’boro games can almost see 6pts with those if we beat Milan then it will be Chav time
We Gunner Gunn Em…
By: Casicky on March 3, 2008
at 3:05 pm
I agree to an extent. Arsenal have a lot of money in their bank account and they also have weaknesses in the squad. Arsenal are in the business of football and winning football matches should be our 100% first priority. spending £15m isn’t going to kill the club. infact, if we win the title or get far in the CL, then you make that money back in prize money and the following years’ TV money. I just feel we all knew there were weak areas of the squad both in August and January and yet those areas were not strengthened.
if wenger honestly beleives he can win the league with Diaby on the left wing then he is wrong.
I think we have done tremendously well to get as far as we have with such a limited squad. and in some ways we have actually been lucky with injuries. 2 big injuries all season and now a 3rd with Eduardo are not more than most teams get. that is normal. fact is players like Flam, cesc, Ade, sagna, clichy and Gallas have hardly been injured and for that we should count ourselves lucky. next season (or even the remainder or this) we may not be so lucky.
By: gazzap on March 3, 2008
at 3:09 pm
The problem with renewed investment and strengthening the club is that not everyone gets to play, look no further than Diarra. There is a balance to be had out there and I hope we find it, because I don’t want to hear from players “I am not given the chance” when more depth is added. The only type of players we are going to attract to Arsenal with the promise of some starts but mostly bench time are the same players that are more than happy to play a substitute role and earn huge money doing so. I like that youth is offered the opportunity to shine, it is what attracts many of Europe’s most promising to our club. If the price of one of these players to reach world class status is a loss or 3 against our major rivals then I for one say “so be it”.
By: Toronto on March 3, 2008
at 3:19 pm
gazzap .. fully agreed .. we cannot win the league with Bendtner/Walcott/Diaby if on top, we play half of them out of position
this is actually slightly puzzling
take the game against Villa .. I always thought and still think that Hleb is best on the left as he can go past the defender on both sides which is a great asset and this enables him to go for a shooting position if he ever wanted to shoot!!
so why not play Diaby in the middle as a kind of midfield dynamo .. why fukking not??
every defender shows Diaby the left side, so he gets stuffed and goes in field
the game was so so poor .. Diaby could add some steal and he is pretty decent on the ball and can take players on when he is on full speed, but not from a standing position on a wing
we have excelled this season considering the squad we had at our disposal, but I dont want a repeat of last season .. which has already started to happen and/or a ManCity like reality check in the 2nd half of the season ..
we cannot always be in transition ..
and one last thing that gets me is the attractive game that we play, etc etc etc
I have not seen an entertaining game at the Emirates in a very long time ..
we are never comfortable these days ..even if we win
best game prob was the Milan one ..
By: BB on March 3, 2008
at 3:35 pm
The squad for Milan has been announced and RVP is going, Kolo is not. There seems to be still question marks against Kaka playing but we do have the ammunition to win, here’s hoping.
By: Old Timer on March 3, 2008
at 4:14 pm
even if Kaka plays he has a slightly dodgy knee. I fail to see how he can be on top form with a problem like that. putting him in the team might be bad decision for them, so I hope I am right.
if we take our chances we will be OK.
toronto, you say we cannot keep diarra happy but Man u have fletcher, hargreaves, scholes, carrick and Anderson and they dont want to walk out half way through the season. thats becasue they have all been given games. wenger did not give diarra games even when Flam (and Cesc) was playing twice a week and were looking knackered.
By: gazzap on March 3, 2008
at 4:25 pm
Agree with all that’s been written. Just feel like we’re crying over spilled milk. AW’s philosophy has always meant, “working within constraints”. He’s a man of conscious-limitation who naturally does not subscribe to wastefulness and over-abundance.
We’ve lived with it for over 10yrs, in success & failure, so right now I just pray we can eeke out a win @ San Siro, and our returning injured can boost our fight for the league crown.
Maybe next season, 2 years after moving to the Emirates & further solidifying our financial position, AW will bend a bit and consolidate the team with 1-3 class players.
For now, c’mon the Arsenal!
By: Aman on March 3, 2008
at 4:34 pm
gazzap .. spot on .. have you heard anybody at Chelsea/ManU going out and out ballistic about being occasionnally benched, etc ..
there is an intelligent way of rotating a squad.. it doesnt need to be done the LFC way ..
why is it only us that cannot afford to bench/substitute our prima donnas despite them playing crap on the pitch .. in our case, the Cesc/Hleb always play .. this must ultimately be counter productive
By: BB on March 3, 2008
at 4:37 pm
BB, the reason why we are not as entertaining is the poor form of our midfieelders and the fact that most teams playing us always crowd the midfield /defence and hit us on the counter. We had dealt with that with precise long balls from defence to Ade / Eds, but these days the long balls are not as accurate. We have lost something in Cltchy’s game. Frankly I think the poor lad needs a rest. Ditto Sagna and Gallas. The thinnness of our squad means we cannot afford that.
Toronto, I beg to disagree on some issues. We are not proposing a massive excursion to the player market a la Chelsea etc. But clearly some positions need strenghtening, with healthy competition. Young Cesc need not play most games in the league. That way you keep him sharp for crucial matches. Diarra could have played some games for Flam. Diarra issue calls to question AW man mangement skills. SAF seem to handle the boys better and their egos better. The effect of a thin squad is what we get into later in the league. I do not consider guys like Traore, Hoyte, Gilberto, etc good enough to be squad players. And please a squad player does not have to be old or well known. EDS-23yrs, Sagna-24yrs are example of the kind of players you buy and plug in right away!
By: confidentgoner on March 3, 2008
at 4:39 pm
For Milan tommorrow still feel we should go for 4-4-2 with Ade and Theo, and then have theo come into the midfield if they control the midfield more. That way, we can collapse back to a 4-5-1 at anytime. His pace could do the trick for us, depending on how we use him and his mental preparedness. Think Ebue should still come in from the right with hs crosses and runs.
By: confidentgoner on March 3, 2008
at 4:44 pm
confidentgooner.. quite right and we burn players out .. Cesc is still only 20 and cannot cope with playing 46 games without interruption .. why this does not count in AW’s mind is a mystery to me
Cesc would also not moan as he is young and in development .. on top of all of it now is that Flamini is bargaining for money to the point that even AW gets perplexed about the situation
put your eggs in one basket and you dont even get a thank you for it ..what an outcome
to me from the outside, it looks indeed like poor men management skills
By: BB on March 3, 2008
at 5:01 pm
RvP won’t start. His presence on the bench would be a psychological boost for the team. I hope we manage without him and he stays on the bench. It’d be better to put him back into the game vs someone like Wigan.
4-5-1 or 4-4-1-1 sounds right going away in Europe. But I’d be worried about having Diaby in LM than Theo in RM. So if it’s a 4-5-1, I’d rather have Hleb in LM, Diaby, Cesc and Mattuso in the middle, Theo in RM.
For once BBC’s running a sensible article, no wonder, it’s from Lee Dixon. He said he could see us scoring, but couldn’t see Milan scoring twice. And that’ll do just fine. I’m with him, cautiously optimistic.
By: Lou on March 3, 2008
at 5:06 pm
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By: matthew789 on March 3, 2008
at 5:59 pm
gazzap – Diarra did play when Cesc and Hleb were rested or injured. He did okay, but not well enough to displace any of our first choice midfielders. When he could have played in the CC game against Spurs his head was already gone and he took himself out of the running and then he left for Portsmouth when he could have usefully played further games.
By: Passenal on March 3, 2008
at 6:26 pm
all i want to know is how many more times is wenger going to play diaby left midfield before he realizes it is a complete waste of time!!! it says something when people are happy that eboue is back tomorrow!!!!! in midfield we are only missing risicky (who is now a complete write off as far as i am concerned) and our options are so clearly second rate. it is very disappointing.
By: dan on March 3, 2008
at 6:27 pm
it is interesting how wenger said today that teams are judged by trophies, but his attitude has been that half of them are not worth winning.
By: dan on March 3, 2008
at 7:15 pm
regarding the crowd situation, we need to abolish the seats and get us standing again! how can you build an atmosphere when people keep telling you to sit down all the time. i cant even watch football in the pubs sitting down it just isnt the same.
im confident we will get the 1-1 draw needed to progress. a win is too much but a draw is attainable. people will say im mad but i feel in some ways drawing 0-0 might have been better then winning 1-0 coz now we have to attack rather then sit back and defend. start how you mean to go on and all that!!!!!!!
come on the f*****g gooners!!!!
By: dukeGoonem on March 3, 2008
at 7:23 pm
It seems to me that you either believe in the Wenger model, including his choice of squad, or you don’t.
You have to remember that an ageing team, with several world class players, had to be replaced whilst our main competitors had considerably more money to spend.
Within 3 years we are at least putting in a very realistic challenge for the PL title.
At the same stage of the season we have 2 points less than the Invincibles & 7 more than the 2002 Double team. We go to Milan with a decent chance of going through.
On top of that St Totteringham Day has to all intents been achieved in early March, when the ‘Doomers’ were saying it would not happen at all.
I think, with 10 games to go, we should put our differences aside & just support these lads, who have put us in such a great position.
We have the long boring football less summer to debate what went right or wrong etc.
For now is the time to really get behind them, win or lose.
By: Flint McCullough on March 3, 2008
at 7:29 pm
Thank you so much, Flint, for that post — after Saturday’s game I’ve been incredibly deflated, feeling just hopeless. I do find Dan’s essential criticisms about the team correct. But the reality right now is what it is, we have to deal with it, and support the team regardless of the results.
By: marcus on March 3, 2008
at 7:41 pm
flint
totally agree with you. we are challenging for the title now which is a huge improvement on last year when at this stage we were worrying about where to go on our summer holidays!!
even if we dont we the title we should be proud of our team!!
By: dukeGoonem on March 3, 2008
at 7:44 pm
of course we are all behind them and i am sure everybody realizes how well we have done in comparison to our expectations prior to the season starting.
i do disagree with your opening statement that actually sums up this entire blog.
“It seems to me that you either believe in the Wenger model, including his choice of squad, or you don’t.”
it is the old black or white, you are believer in god wenger or a heathen man utd fan.
you can believe wenger is a great manager and has done amazing things for our club but at the same time beleive that he has made some large mistakes this year, ie the lack of signings in key areas on the wings for example and be less than impressesd that he has no doubt made the strategic decisions that only the PL and CL are worth winning anymore.
like everything in life it doesn’t have to be all or nothing. legitimate questions should always be asked and encouraged. we are the fans and deservr our say. i was here way before wenger and will be way after he leaves.
By: dan on March 3, 2008
at 7:59 pm
A massive financial outlay on players just isnt going to happen at Arsenal but I agree that not being able to rest players and bring in quality reinforcements has cost us some games.I think injuries have been unkind to Arsenal. And lets get real we scored 6 past Newcastle in 2 days and 3 past Fulham who havent been able to buy a win between them . So lets not flatter Man U whose form also stumbles with so called strength in depth. I dont think Rooney and Ronaldo will sit out for Aston Villa.
As for Milan Im not fooled by any talk of injuries other players will just step up to the plate.I think Diaby is not going to work on the left as he left Clichy hopelessly exposed. I think that we can do with Eboue in front of Sagna. Yes Eboue!I think behind the theatrics and idiotic tackles lurkes some talent. Depending on what mood he is in he can be a real handfull and his combinations with Sagna on the wing tend to produce the most dangerous crossess into the box.He can also defend attacks on the flanks.Did you see how he dummied Maldini and set up the Flamster at the Emirates. RVP should not be risked for this game. We need him for the run up to the EPL finale. Throw theo on for the last 30 minutes to test the legs of the Italians defence.Formation 4-5-1, play the triangles with ball when we can and hit them on the break.
By: Gooner4Life on March 3, 2008
at 8:02 pm
i certainly agree that birmingham and villa were much harder than fulham and newcastle. (equally we were all quoting home wins against newcastle as part of our recovery from the home brum game!!!). i think what is of more concern is that ade, flam, fab, clichy and helb do not look the same players as they did a month ago. whether that is due to exhaustion, immaturity who knows but if these key players can not get back in to form i think we will fade away. bendtner, walcott, diaby and denislon can not replicate what the other guys can do.
By: dan on March 3, 2008
at 8:11 pm
I agree Dan. I think the loss in form is due to exhaustian from playing in too many games. Lets hope all the patience we have shown in waiting for the rest of our lightweirht squad to return from injury is rewared with stalwart performances from Eboue,Kolo,RVP, Rosiky, Song. Gilberto has been just a bit of a disappointment this season he is not grabbing games by the scruff of the neck and competing for his place as you said in your earlier blogs. And Denilson who seems to be a Fabregas double isnt quite there.
By: Gooner4Life on March 3, 2008
at 8:34 pm
Flint & Dan
Flint, re your statement:
“It seems to me that you either believe in the Wenger model, including his choice of squad, or you don’t.”
I agree with Dan as I have often stated here: it is NOT an either/or scenario. It may have been for a season or 2 when the emirates was draining cash. Now, the stadium is refinanced & the cash is flowing in (70mstg in reserve)
I admire Wengers philosophy and his model is a good one – get them young, imbue them with the clubs culture / polish a diamond / use his superlative network and eye for talent to build a world class team on the cheap. BUT:
This model is not that cheap. Arsenal have 17 year olds on BIG wages
There is a huge gamble taken on young players. Those who seem a cert to make it fall away
Ultimately, do these players show greater loyalty to Arsenal – Anelka etc.
The top youngsters (Nani / Pato etc.) are now bracketed out of his league. Clubs watch who Wenger scourts and steal them
Wenger has said it himself. He will buy, but only if he is a super, super player who will improve the squad (this is where we chuckle quietly as we think of eboue/senderos/hoyte in our squad). I have got very sick of him coming out with: “I could have bought Ronaldo / Anelka / Torres etc”
I think wengers a genius but I felt that by buying in the summer
a) Some experience (a tight marking centre back with pace – even Distin / Woodgate)
b) A combative midfielder (Diarra who he then lets leave – madness!! Diarra should have been told – we’ll talk in the summer. NOw fuck off out of my office, I have a premiership to win so you stay)Diarra could have played in tandem with Flam and given Cesc a rest
c) A world class left wing talent – Ribery / Quaresma
The only expensive option on that list is item c) Can anyone argue (and it’s not even with hindsight, that would have strengthened this squad 10% – the vital 10% to carry the prem
At such a level, the winning margin is wafer thin – a few %. Ferguson knows that, you can bet. If Wenger chose to rule that out, then he has a blind spot, an achilles heel.
I agree that, ultimately,we should wait until the summer to pick the bones (or the juicy flesh!) of this season. The questions will grow if we fail
For now, we focus relentlessly on the road ahead….
By: AlanG on March 3, 2008
at 8:36 pm
dan, I agree, the team just look exhausted, and as the season has worn on I’ve been just as irritated with AW relying so much on a comparatively small squad for so many games — esp. since there is no winter break in England. And I don’t agree with any desire to shut up critics on this or any other Arsenal site. It’s the critics who crawl out of the woodwork when the team fails and disappear when they succeed that infuriate me (and you’re not one of those at all).
Re Milan — I’ve checked some Milan fan sites in both Italian and English and they’re not at all confident about the game, they’re just as nervous as we are. They have fans telling each other to keep the faith just as we do. Milan’s home record is not at all impressive this season and they just got a draw at the San Siro with a Lazio side that was not all that good. Yes, of course, the Milan players will be up for it, so will our players. I’m just saying that Milan’s fans don’t consider their team an invincible superior juggernaut that so many English pundits, rival fans and some of our own fans seem to think they are.
By: marcus on March 3, 2008
at 8:40 pm
certainly not starting on him as he has been amazing this year, but ade in the past few games has been shocking and as a result we have looked very light weight up front. with no eds and rvp (who knows when he will be back full time and playing on all cylinders, as he has been out for so long we need to be patient with him) we will really struggle for goals.
By: dan on March 3, 2008
at 8:41 pm
as for tomorrow, i think it is completely open. if we get the goal i think i will go through and obviously we are more than capable of doing that. my concern without beating a dead horse is that i think eboue is dreadful full stop and diaby can not do a job on the wing and therefore the wings will again be poor especially if we play 4 5 1 which i assume we will. would rather see 4 4 2 and let’s go get the goal and take the game to them.
By: dan on March 3, 2008
at 9:02 pm
ironically against everything i have said if we lose tomorrow we will have that much more chance of winning the league.
By: dan on March 3, 2008
at 9:36 pm
My only fear is the CB position with Senderos tortoise-like pace against Pato’s pace.
Arsene won’t listen to get a better CB for us. He should have gone for Curtis Davies when he was available at West Brom now Curtis is playing well for Villa, and he has pace and power even though only at 20years.
Look at Senderos; he will never develop into a top CB, he flashes but there is always a mistake in him. This guy has been with the club for five years now and at 23 should be better but he’s still poor. He’s cost us so many games since being here. Carling Cup wth Chelsea, FA with with Blackburn and several league matchs and yet Arsene contine to keep this guy who should be sent to where he came from. He couldn’t even manage a player like Harewood and yet want to be a regular CB for Arsenal?
I’m really afraid with Kolo still on the treatment table. We need o pray hard in the Milan game. God Save the Arsenal.
By: Howard on March 3, 2008
at 9:41 pm
Our recent lack of spark dates back to the very heavy December & January schedule combined with an overload of injuries on top of the ACN.
Sorry, but the Wenger issue really is black & white.
We know the way he works & what his ideals are. He is very precise in what he does. It is a matter of trusting him or not, even if some things are hard to understand at times.
You either accept the whole package or you don’t.
I am not trying to stiffle debate but the same old issues are always being brought up. Nothing can be changed until the summer.
What I am after is more positive comment to help us all through the ’squeaky bum’ period that we are now most definitely in.
The team, all season, has had to show belief.
Is is really too hard for us, who really just sit on our backsides where it is so so easy, to put aside our pessimism & do the same?
By: Flint McCullough on March 3, 2008
at 10:18 pm
Funnily enough Senderos had an excellent game against Milan. He is a better player against the better teams. I said earlier in the year this current run of games is possibly make or break for him. He has generally done well but it was a concern that a player like Harewood could turn him so easily but he handled a difficult bugger like Carew pretty well.
Davies did look a good player, it is a shame that he will be out of action for many months now.
He is still at the very good prospect stage, like Djourou who I am convinced will be a really top class defender.
By: Flint McCullough on March 3, 2008
at 10:30 pm
Firstly sitting here writing crap about what we feel is not, not supporting them. obviously our opinions mean nothing too anyone, but it is just part of the fun of being a fan in todays technology!!!
secondly, in january our first team players got plenty of rest and they only played about three games i think, the rest being FA cup and league cup games which they did not take part in. also the reason they get less rest is that we don’t have sufficiant cover to rest them without the results being severely affected.
thirdly, if a manager can only see black or white and not adapt to changing circumstances, (ie in january not seeing that rosicky does not have more than one game in a row in him) then to me that is a problem, surely we want a compromise between experiance and youth?
clearly there is nothing that can be done until the summer, but i doubt we will see much change in his philosophy.
i wonder at what point you reach when you would say you know what i really would like to see us spend some money get a better balance squad that can compete at the highest levels for all competitions we enter. if we don’t win anything for another three years are you still going to say it is this way but no other way?
By: dan on March 3, 2008
at 10:31 pm
assuming you are talking about senderos at 23 and 5 years at arsenal he should be more than a “prospect” at this stage. to me he is a good 4th option but we need a much stronger 3rd option.
By: dan on March 3, 2008
at 10:34 pm
Dan, try as you can you will not win against some guys in this blog. Sometimes I wonder like you the idea of a blog if anonymous folks (at least we don’t see each other) cannot express ideas on the back of todays technology without qualms.
I think the critics and the feel good guys all like this club to get silverware or at least be successful, but have different ideas and perhaps different personalties. No matter, AW plans will always be the one to be implemented and the one that will have to go under scrutiny by all stakeholders. We all have to accept that.
I will be surprised if the manager , club staff, agents and even player’s don’t all read our opinions and I think that this is the more reason to speak frankly about issues.
By: confidentgoner on March 3, 2008
at 11:10 pm
Suggest you have another look at the January fixtures, Dan.
8 games in total played in January including 3 cup ties. Cesc certainly played in 6 of them because Diarra fucked off, Denilson was injured, Song was at the ACN. 22 games in 13 weeks since the beginning of December.
Again not buying in January is a matter of belief in what we have. AW has it, I do but you clearly don’t.
I still think it could be another couple of years before we get the definitive answer as to how far this squad can go. It has developed at some pace already.
You may be proved right, who knows? We will only find that out after Arsene has gone.
By: Flint McCullough on March 3, 2008
at 11:29 pm
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By: Match Day: AC Milan vs Arsenal, come on you Gunners!!! « The World of Arsenal on March 4, 2008
at 1:05 am
Correction Dan,
Wenger said “No matter what happens in this game, I believe this team will become a great side. We will achieve great things.
“The only way to do that is through winning major trophies — the championship or the Champions League. At the moment, we are still in the race for both those competitions.”
Major trophies, not Carling cup not FA cup, unless you consider those to be major trophies??
By: Gunner4Ever on March 4, 2008
at 4:21 am