Perhaps someone can take the time to explain this to me. What exactly happened at St. Andrews that should cause an affront to human decency and what happened at St. Andrews that has got the media blood boiling. You would have expected that the two were convergent, poison pens (or killer keyboards) pointed at Martin Taylor for his challenge.
Sadly not, for it William Gallas and Arsene Wenger upon whom Des Kelly of the Daily Mail turned his sharp wit and original ideas toward. Sadly the only turning his wit did was to spin in its grave although the agility with which his mind left a ‘Gone Fishing’ sign over his brain can only but be admired.
Kelly is not alone in this, joined by Steve Howard of The Sun. Gentlemen, I commend you for attacking the big issues of the day. Indeed, I am surprised in some respects that they are going after Gallas because there would be more column inches for them to fill with their drivel if an implosion a la Keegan were to happen. Sue Mott on the other hand should just simply be ashamed of herself.
But let us not kid ourselves as to why they have done this. Arsenal sell copies or get hits on their web pages. Birmingham City do not. What better way to drive visitors to their sites than to make the most ludicrous statements over the Arsenal captain’s behaviour? With all due respect to Birmingham, if it had happened the week before, they would have been all over the incident like a rash and probably still going on about how awful Ferdinand / Vidic / Brown / Evra’s challenge was but it was a ‘non-entity’ team that were at the root cause of it all and Frankly My Dear, They Don’t Give A Damn.
Meanwhile, allegations have emerged that Croatian journalists tried to attack Taylor although more disturbingly, I find it difficult to believe that his manager is seriously giving credence to any notion that Taylor is a victim in all of this. It ranks on a par with the crass accusations that the referee only gave a red card because he saw the injury and other players reactions whilst it is scarcely credible that McLeish believes the tackle was on a par with a trip. Now Birmingham are seeking to deflect attention at Cesc who apparently called them a rugby team. Ooh, how awful of him. It has seriously reached the point where the Football Association need to step in and remind Birmingham, its staff and players exactly what occurred. From what I have read, at least three – McLeish, Larsson, McFadden – should be answering a disrepute charge in London in the near future. None will of course.
And at the end of it all, you are left with a ‘compare and contrast’ exercise in human dignity. Compare the rabid excesses of those above with the approach of the victim in all of this, Eduardo,
It was an unfortunate situation but these things can happen in football
Or as the Daily Mirror tried to put it, ‘S*** happens’. Not quite Gentlemen of the Press, by a long way. The Fourth Estate has sunk lower than the council estates that they seek to pillory on a daily basis. Do not fear for them yet though for they have not stopped falling.
Mathieu Flamini meanwhile believes that the point at St Andrews was a bad result,
The way we have only drawn is going to be disappointing because there was an opportunity to win this game. We came back, we showed great character and I think this was the only positive thing from the game…We were very disappointed because it is a bad result for us, and especially when we conceded the goal thirty seconds before the end of the game
It was indeed a bad result, Mathieu but under the circumstances, and right at this moment in time, it is more important that the players do not dwell on it but look ahead to the Villa game.
Carlos Vela meanwhile is getting some good reviews but remains modest,
I lack everything. At 18 I don’t need to hear that I’m a phenomenon, a ‘crack’ – it’s not the case. I’m still growing. Every game sees my gain experience and learn things, and I see that in all aspects
And he has yet to be given the ‘Arsenal’ tutelage but is level headed. His recent form from reading the Spanish media has been relatively good in a struggling team. That Osasuna are not winning everything in sight is probably better for him, making him a stronger player than if he had been on cruise control all of the time. We shall see what next season brings with the young man.
Finally, a couple of housekeeping items. Firstly, anyone wishing to receive their daily dose of my thoughts and ramblings by email can do so by clicking here or under the ‘ACLF by email’ heading on the right hand side. Secondly, Premier League View has been relaunched today following a quiet spell. In fact it was so quiet over there that the church mice made more noise which is completely my fault through lack of time to write anything. The objective of that site is to separate the wider aspects of the world game from here, keeping this one as specifically Arsenal related. Posts will be initially every other day, so feel free to join in. Indeed, on that one, if anyone has any thoughts that they wish to pen contact me at the usual address and you may have the floor so to speak.
‘til Tomorrow.























I agree completely…I mean Sue Mott’s article…what the fuck was that about? Kelly and Howard write for rags so its more understandable that they would miss the key point while simulataneously sensationalise a minor one. But we all knew this, years and years ago, that many people writing for papers know nothing about football
By: Steve on February 26, 2008
at 8:35 am
My blood is boiling so much I’m in danger of exploding even though I’m consciously trying to avoid reading all the sad stories about poor ‘Tiny’ and the trauma he is going through. Instead I’ll try to emulate Eduardo and accept that it’s time to look forward rather than back.
By: Passenal on February 26, 2008
at 8:41 am
The press agenda with The Arsenal this season has been a disgrace, from us being a sinking ship at the start of the season to Dein and his cronies(Press included) exclaiming foreign ownership.
if you think the scribes are pathetic, well i had the misfortune of losing several minutes of my life listening to the bile of BBC radio fives Pat Murphy, bleeding heart for the and i quote ” mental being” of Mr Taylor and a whole diatribe on Wengers view From the bench and Wengers Myopia.
Now Taylor was late and was rightly punished , i have no ill will for the player as he and Eduardo victim and perpetrator have shown their class, but what this episode has shown is the under current of prejudice of the media.
If johnny foreigner had committed that foul on one of the English golden boys johnny would be pilloried Alla Rooney/Cristian Ronaldo.
In the past Three seasons i have witnessed two shocking challenges on Arsenal players, both committed by good honest English pros, and the following lines that it was only a late challenge, and a plethora of excuses ,the case being Diaby at Sunderland .
I just wish Wenger and the club would do what the Italians do a self-imposed “silenzio stampa ” and say F@@k the lot of you, C@nts.
By: tony on February 26, 2008
at 8:55 am
I totally agree with you Yogi, McLeish, Larsson, McFadden (especially Larsson) should be answering a disrepute charge. What Larsson said was out of line.
Keep up the good work
By: Michael on February 26, 2008
at 8:57 am
Simple rile as an Arsenal fan,never under any circumstancres buy The Mail.
By: Eddy on February 26, 2008
at 8:59 am
rile read rule
By: Eddy on February 26, 2008
at 8:59 am
i agree with eddy. dont buy the mail. ive stopped reading back pages and i come on blogs like this for match reports.
As for larssen , he is absolutely disrespectful. i cannot believe what he said about wenger, someone old enough to be his dad. he needs to learn 2 show respect.
By: tee on February 26, 2008
at 9:13 am
Time to boycott some of the anti-Arsenal press.
By: Ole Gunner on February 26, 2008
at 9:33 am
As time goes on its these articles as opposed to Taylor’s tackle (which most of us accept as being reckless as opposed to malicious) that is annoying me more.
What I find funny though, is that after having your school years where these numpties were consistently picked last for the football team, they now take the mantle as one of the most powerful voices in the game.
Half of them can barely run the length of the pitch let alone play but still they talk as though they are experts.
Still, when the next one annoys you, just regress to those days when they stood alone, soaked and shattered in goal whilst all around ignored them. They really haven’t changed when you look close enough!!
By: Rich on February 26, 2008
at 9:41 am
The media coverage of the incident has been galling.
Cristiano Ronaldo was nearly driven out of the country for remonstrating with the ref and winking.
Martin Taylor, well after reading the papers, my heart bleeds for him. The poor little lamb.
I just can’t fúcking this shít.
By: G10 on February 26, 2008
at 9:54 am
Sue Mott is an Arsenal fan she writes many articles centred on her experience watching the club. The comment was ironic rather than an attempt at a joke.
We need to move on and start to concentrate on the next two games which will be season defining. Failure to win on saturday would see our lead disappear in the league and failure to score on tuesday our CL aspirations bite the dust again.
By: Vivb on February 26, 2008
at 9:59 am
Now this is called PERSPECTIVE. Well done YW! (Though I doubt you/we can change anything.)
By: Lou on February 26, 2008
at 10:06 am
I fully apreciate that Taylor did not intend to break Eduardo’s leg, but when a 14 stone guy launches himself with 1 fully extended leg , studs up at an angle of about 40 degrees making initial contact over 1 foot from the ground, on impact his foot will slide down the shin pad and with Eduardo’s foot planted on the ground WILL shatter his ankle.
So, when the ball is on the ground and the ball was passed along the gtound, how come it is perfectly within reason (according to most experts) for Taylor’s challenge to be so high! Why do people make excuses for him – his sole aim was to give him a hit, let him know he was there. It happens every week, be honest. It’s what Bolton’s principles are based on.
Quite a few journalists are failed or ex footballers and want to come across as real tough guys, hard men, so they back up this type of footballing behavoiur- oh how the love it when Bolton rough up one of the top teams.
This retarded mentallity follows on with the hero worship of thugs like Terry and Woodgate along with the glorification of footballers and their female conquests.
I believe our football journalists are generally a bunch of yobs living in the dark ages. They cannot cope with the human emotion (that’s soft) and the generally spohisticated behaviour of our players and club ( we don’t give them their fair share of sordid stories to fill the column inches).
I like the fact that the only info coming from our team is through the official site. Our players have not felt the need to earn a little more by selling tales of the horrors of what they have seen.
Come on Arsenal, let’s show this lot what we are made of. As fans we must be vocal in our support of Eduardo, the team and what this club is based on- desency
By: ps7 on February 26, 2008
at 10:22 am
I also made the mistake of listening to Five Live last night, i was so incensed by what I heard that i text them twice but obviously they preferred to read out the ‘poor tiny taylor’ emails.
Along with Pat Murphy it was Alan Green who really got me, ‘I am really concerned for Martin Taylor’s career, he’s a defender, how is supposed to tackle again’……..not like he did on Eduardo, Green you muppet.
I have decided I want to see someone break Rooney or Gerrard’s leg before the next world cup just so I can see the reaction.
By: TopGunPires on February 26, 2008
at 10:27 am
Well my feeling on the media are wel known to those who know me. DO NOT BUY THE MAIL. They are not objective, border on being racist as a publication.
The SUN has one objective, that is to sell as many papers as it can, and they accomplish this by sensationalising stories. If you must read papers stick to broadsheets I know they are more expensive but generally are written by educated people.
But like a previous blogger has said i get my info from blog sites such as this and independent footy sites such as Goal.com.
By: THE SILVER GUNNER on February 26, 2008
at 10:37 am
I couldn’t believe what I heard on Sunday lunchtime between Alan Green and Graham Taylor. It’s like saying you feel sorry for the murderer being released from jail in case someone recognises them!
Get a grip guys the victim is the one in the hospital bed. The other guy knew what he was doing and took the risk – you win some you loose some and if you loose you have to take the consequenses.
Who are the media trying to convince, because your eyes tell you the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Their words are just a smoke screen but I can’t really understand why. Can it really be their dislike for all things Arsenal?
By: ps7 on February 26, 2008
at 10:53 am
Let us move on now that Eduardo seems to be on the mend. I hope the danger period for him has passed, and he can now concentrate on a full and complete recovery, one little step at a time. Any slight breakdown in his recovery will be front page news in the British press, so we must continually offer Eduardo hope and relevance.
As for the Arsenal, we must plan for the upcoming weeks of football. Do not lose the plot. There is everything right in the way we play, and we must continue to do so. Look at it another way – we lost one player to a serious injury. We still have a team, and reinforcement will surely come back in. I am looking forward to another 3 points this weekend. With Eduardo seeming to be better than feared, this should give us all (esp the players) a lift for the rest of the season. I am feeling better now compared to the last 3 days and nights.
As for us fans, we now know for sure what the press and the tv pundits want – to see us collapse so that their theory about youth and foreign players cannot win anything, will be proven right. To deny them that satisfaction, we must stand proud and support our team even more. Do not be fooled, there is no crisis. We are still ahead by 3 points. Like Jose Mourinho once said, the pressure is on the chasing pack. The only crisis is spoken and written by the press to destabilise the team. So do not fall into their trap by responding to their biased reporting. They are just like vultures looking for a feed, so let us not be the victim. By denying them our ranting, they will look to somewhere else or for someone else or for a new issue. Let’s face it, whichever way we complain, it will look bias to non-Arsenal supporters, and that will feed the frenzy no end.
The Club, the players and the fans must close ranks now and play like we never and win the title.
By: KLVon on February 26, 2008
at 11:25 am
Re: topGunPires,
like you i was so angry i went into Mary white house mode ,and took it upon myself for the first time in my life to write a complaint to the BBC.
I just checked my inbox and here’s their grubby reply below.
Thank you for contacting the BBC.
This is to let you know that we have received your recent complaint and will respond as soon as possible, however I hope you understand that the time taken to do so can depend on the nature of your complaint and the number of other complaints we are currently dealing with. The BBC issues public responses to issues which prompt large numbers of significant complaints and these can be read on our website at http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints.
We would be grateful if you would not reply to this email – in the meantime, we would like to thank you for again for contacting us with your concerns and appreciate your patience in awaiting a response.
Regards,
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By: tony on February 26, 2008
at 11:28 am
i wonder if anyonr could help..im having an argument with a Man utd imbecile at work and im sure Arsenal were the most fouled team last year and committed the least…anyone know a stats site to prove this….
By: Jel on February 26, 2008
at 12:26 pm
not sure but the EPL website is pretty good for stats, the OPTA site you have to pay for
http://www.premierleague.com/page/Statistics/0,,12306,00.html
By: THE SILVER GUNNER on February 26, 2008
at 12:41 pm
Check out these stats: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team/squad?id=359&cc=3888
Good you’re going by the stats. Alan Hansen and those idiots who influence so many opinions on football don’t pay much attention to them so they say rubbish.
I still don’t know why with 11 games to go the media contention is that Arsenal are only just top of the league by mistake and until the glorious Man United come back.
We’re top of the league because we’ve lost just once this term, and United 4 times. We’ve proven extraordinarily consistent and have to be favourites to win the league.
Guys. send emails to our team to remind them of this. I get the feeling that the way the media is orchestrating everything they may doubt themselves. We’re the second best team in Europe.
By: Ole Gunner on February 26, 2008
at 1:15 pm
Jel, don’t know of a stats site, but I remember last year that the stats showed last year that our yellow-cards to fouls ratio was higher than any other, ie. We’d get a yellow card for practically every foul, and every Arsenal fan will be able to confirm that feeling. It’s one of the many injustices that drives me nuts. Referees won’t book anyone for the first half hour, which means the opposition is allowed to kick us all over the park for half an hour during this amnesty period. Once that half hour is up, and we make any sort of foul, we get a yellow card, even though we’ve been on the receiving end for half hour. The result is the total opposite of consistent refereeing.
By: hboy on February 26, 2008
at 1:22 pm
The relevant stats, in fact are: Man U: 450 fouls suffered. Arsenal: 491 fouls suffered. That’s for the 2006/07 season.
By: Ole Gunner on February 26, 2008
at 1:24 pm
Good article mate. Not that its any consolation but the press up here in Scotland are no better.
They do nothing but cause trouble by stirring things and provoking reactions. Pure, lazy journalism most of the time but sometimes I think there is a more worrying agenda at play.
Keep fighting the good fight.
By: jimmyhillsbeard on February 26, 2008
at 1:32 pm
its david vs goliath…it will be divine intervention which will see arsenal beat manutd, english press,,money spending, unsportsmanship behavior to the title this year..
By: adc on February 26, 2008
at 1:35 pm
PS I hope Eduardo makes a full recovery and comes back fitter and stronger – I think he looks a cracking prospect.
If he needs any kind of inspiration he could do worse than look at Henrik Larsson. He was a good player before he broke his leg (albeit more innocuously) but he came back and became one of the greats.
By: jimmyhillsbeard on February 26, 2008
at 1:35 pm
This page from last March on goodplaya.com cites the relevant figures, backing up AW’s statement that Arsenal were the most fouled against and committed the fewest fouls:
http://www.arsepod.co.uk/wordpress1/?p=215
By: marcus on February 26, 2008
at 1:44 pm
from the stats on espn, we get a card every 6.6 fouls. we have committed 286 fouls but been fouled 347 times – over a fifth more. I dont have time to work out the other teams ratios.
for what its worth I think our current team can look after themselves in most situations. we have toughened up since last season. by that I dont mean the Fergie or Hansen version of looking after ourselves ie kicking lumps out of players, I mean if we get kicked we just get on with it and we can deal with a physical game these days. of course what happened to Eduardo is beyond a physical game. its assault.
By: gazzap on February 26, 2008
at 3:49 pm
however, remember what Eboue did at Old Trafford? he intended to hurt Nani in that challenge in my opinion. had eboue broken Nani’s leg what would have happened to Eboue? He was just lucky that he cant even foul properly!
most of our players are clean players but not all of them.
however, i would like to think that if one of ours made a bad career ending foul, us Gooners would be big enough to condem our player. Clearly Birmingham can not admit that their player made a bad foul.
By: gazzap on February 26, 2008
at 3:53 pm
I Agree with Eddy & Tee,
I only come to this blog to read Yogi’s piece, read “real” gunners comments, and only follow links to articles when people here recommend it to read.
By reading insane articles from this Motts or the likes online, you are giving them the hits needed to continue writting their smelly crap.
By: Gunner4Ever on February 26, 2008
at 4:12 pm
Some of you mentioned Five live and Alan Green, well talk sport (Quinn and Durham) was no better, again the worry was would Taylor be ok and would be able to play commited again, Birmingham even wonder if he will play for them again……
This is just astonishing..
At least he will definately play again
Yet Eduardo’s future in the game cant be guaranteed, the guy could have lost his foot for gods sake
And got to say again Eduardo’s comments have been so admirable, its a shame that Larsson did not engage brain before opening his mouth
Eduardo is the only person that has come out of this with any credit and in that I include, Birmingham, The Press, the Pundits, the Radio and the TV.
Has there even been an official apology from Taylor. also Aliadiere’s ban has been increased to 4 games. The FA are a joke
Aliadiere, handbags 4 Games
Taylor, battering ram, 3 games
Again I pray Birmingham go down and this time it wont be 3 Arsenal loan signings that get them back up
By: Patthegooner on February 26, 2008
at 4:21 pm
Of course we would be big and bold enough, not to mention smart enough to condemn a player on our team if he did something like that foul. I know for a fact that myself, The cannon, Arseblogger, Goodplaya, and loads more rightly criticized Eboue after the ManUre match because of his actions. If someone on our team did something like that, I’d be all over him. It’s just not the Arsenal way.
By: ArseNole on February 26, 2008
at 4:28 pm
Pat,
I think Larsson’s brain “disengagement” is probably one of the reasons why he is no longer wearing an Arsenal shirt.
Don’t forget he is playing for a 3rd rate English Club and he’s being fed their crap mentality.
By: Gunner4Ever on February 26, 2008
at 4:30 pm
Wow…the media coverage on this is so poor, biased, xenophobic, and inhumane it actually makes me proud to be an American
ps. I know that in ice hockey after assaults like this (way outside the bounds of the game with obvious intent) have drawn local district attorneys to actually press criminal charges against the pro player.
By: WIgunner on February 26, 2008
at 5:00 pm
I was determined not to take part in the discussion tonight, after seeing Young Bendtner comments but when i saw the following i felt I had to share with all
PFA chief executive Gordon Taylor has written to Eduardo and Martin Taylor offering messages of support.
And the Birmingham defender is confident the duo will be able to repair their respective careers after the incident which saw the Croatian suffer a broken leg and Taylor subsequently receive death threats.
The Gunners striker is facing nine months out of action while Blues boss Alex McLeish claimed Taylor is “mentally shattered” at what has happened even though there was no malice in the challenge.
Gordon Taylor said: “It is a very unfortunate situation. It was one of those footballing things that happens. There have been some other bad injuries in the game.
“But there was immediate recognition that the lad (Taylor) is not a vindictive player, not a nasty player, and does not have a reputation for making poor challenges. In fact he is sometimes accused of being ‘a gentle giant’.
“I have written to Martin and I believe he has the strength of character to overcome this. He has shown remorse and he went to see the lad in hospital. He is a good lad and I know how badly he feels about it.
“The incident happened so quickly. It was one of those things. It happened early on in the game and Martin was late but, like I said, he is not a nasty player and wouldn’t inflict an injury like that deliberately.”
The PFA boss added: “I have also written to Eduardo and it is a tragedy for him, his club and his country and he is going to miss out on playing in the Euro 2008 finals.
“The signs seem to be good that he will make a full recovery and you hope that is the case and he returns to full fitness and that Martin also comes through this. You feel sorry for both parties.”
Gordon Taylor is also hoping the relationship between the two clubs is not affected by the incident.
He said: “Managers do get inflamed. Arsene is like that. I understand his reaction. It was over the top but to be fair he has since retracted it.
“You just hope that the good relationship between Birmingham and Arsenal remains. You hope that survives. I have a lot of admiration for both managers.”
By: Old Timer on February 26, 2008
at 5:05 pm
Old timer
That article is disgusting…lots of respect flying out the window for that coward Gordon Taylor.
Shames Arsene, but supports McLeish??
How does that even make sense??
And I’m still curious…who got hurt from the challenge??? It looked to be Eduardo, but now I’m not so sure. Yes I’m being facetious and slightly humerous, about as funny as Sue Mott
By: WIgunner on February 26, 2008
at 5:15 pm
That is incredible Old Timer
about 5 Paragraphs on Taylor and then
Oh yes, and I er hope em whats his name, oh yes eduardo gets well soon
By: Patthegooner on February 26, 2008
at 5:24 pm
I am pleased that Taylor has shown some remorse but I think that there is still a need for a public apology within a statement at least
He should read this and think about it
Its from Eduardo’s Wife
“When I visited him in Birmingham he was just waking up from the anaesthetic after surgery. He was coming to and we could not talk much.
“He was, as we all were, stressed and wanted to know why this happened to him, but he was quite calm. We still have not recovered from it all and the entire family is in distress.
“He is perhaps calmer than we are. He immediately asked for his daughter Lorena.
“I was doing ordinary home chores when I was watching the match on TV. I was soon losing all my strength after crying so much. I can’t understand how such an injury was possible.”
In fact maybe Hansen, Platt, Mccleish, Muamba, Larsson, Kelly and the rest of the insensitive disrespectful cocks should too
By: Patthegooner on February 26, 2008
at 5:33 pm
Wow this issue will bubble on for a while.
This won’t be the last time an injury like this will happen if tackles like that aren’t punished more severely, I mean for fook sake look at poor old Aliadiere was sent of for what i would describe as a fake retaliation and to add insult to injury the idiots at the FA gave him an extra match ban what the fook is wrong with english football are we that idiotic??????
I love football but it seems every where you look the people in positions of power are complete idiots.
By: THE SILVER GUNNER on February 26, 2008
at 5:57 pm
Then look at what Martin Taylor did to EDS and only a3 match ban is that justice?
By: THE SILVER GUNNER on February 26, 2008
at 5:58 pm
eduardo all set to move out of the hospital…
http://www.javno.com/en/sports/clanak.php?id=127070
get well soon dudu.
By: ck on February 26, 2008
at 5:58 pm
Yes, poor Taylor. You live with the consequences of your actions, he may be shattered but he has to live with. Eduardo, on the other hand, has to live with the consequences of the actions of another. Its like the well-used analogy of a car accident. The guilty party is responsible for his actions and must pay the price, the other party may be dead for nothing.
And yet we have a statement from the PFA with about a million sentiments made about poor, poor Taylor, and then yes, hope Eduardo gets better. Sickening! Disgusting!
I am so ashamed that my money goes into this league. I am very seriously considering a boycott of all games non-Arsenal. Not being English, I have no obligation to support English teams in the CL. I hope that Inter find a way to turn it around and rape Liverpool (even though I despise Inter). Lyon and Olympiacos already had my support.
Same goes with the UEFA cup. Hope the English teams get knocked out. Not as punishment towards the english teams, but the system needs to take note. Im tired of this bullshit.
By: Z on February 26, 2008
at 5:59 pm
“The Silver Gunner”
Football is one of the most corrupt sport in the world. To answer your question, no, people in power know if you take away all hype, opera, play active you will loose a large part of what makes it so popular.
Nothing we can do about it, the greatest football team I’ve seen in my lif time was the Brazil team that had Socratis, Falcao& Zico. They did not win anything, that the world did not lament this was the death of football. I remember feeling deprressed beyound words. Football lost it’s soul. The soul that Brazilians have sought keep.
Being a Rugby fan, I know how I felt to see England Win the world cup in 2003 and get to the final in 2007. Scoring the list amount of tries being the least adventurous and least intertaining, I felt the same way. Another sport just lost it’s soul.
By: William on February 26, 2008
at 6:10 pm
I think we all forgot previous debates we had on this blog.
When the money inters through the door, all principals go out the door….It has been proven over and over again.
Every single official, pundit, newspaper..etc., have a stake in it…and that stake is money. Every one hates Arsenal & Arsene because they raise above the rest, therefore they will attack us on anything and everything to bring us down to the level of scum they are.
G4E
By: Gunner4Ever on February 26, 2008
at 6:24 pm
I see Jeremie Aliadiere had his ban for violent conduct increased to four games from three. “violent conduct” are they sure ?
Will the ban for Taylor now be increased also ?
By: DeiseGooner on February 26, 2008
at 7:21 pm
No SeiseGooner, Taylor was just doing his job…..breaking people’s legs “un-intentionally”
By: Gunner4Ever on February 26, 2008
at 7:39 pm
Aliadiere really is a poor innocent sod
too tough that he got himself sent off the very same w/e our dear French captain badly and immaturely vented his anger and lost control over his French emotions
luckily they found another obliging French victim .. its called guilty by association
as for Taylor, he should get his ban reduced to one game as it is now clear that it was only an accident and therefore, if anything, punishable with a one game ban
rescinding the card could also be an option as Eduardo has absolved him from all blame
By: BB on February 26, 2008
at 7:44 pm
BB out of respect for this blog I’m going to tell to F. off. ref Taylor….I will only take it back if you’re being sarcastic and I didn’t get it.
By: Gunner4Ever on February 26, 2008
at 7:47 pm
gfe .. you are free to read what I wrote on saturday/sunday
By: BB on February 26, 2008
at 7:49 pm
Surprisingly but refreshingly, James Lawton in the Independent writes with objectviity and sense, have a read.
One final thought on this, diving started to appear as a form of defence by strikers against violent defenders in 60’s and 70’s. It was their way of saying, “f**k with me and I’m going down to either get a penalty or you sent off”. Although we all hate diving, if Eduardo had, he’s still have a future
By: jamie on February 26, 2008
at 8:07 pm
KLVon that’s the spirit – I think I’ll join you in that thought!
By: Passenal on February 26, 2008
at 8:10 pm
Per Arsenal.com, so far 12,500 fans sent email support to Eduardo’s mailbox.
If you haven’t sent an email, please do so on the Arsenal website.
Thank you.
By: Gunner4Ever on February 26, 2008
at 8:13 pm
Guys, I’ve taken a second look at the Sue Mott article – especially the worst line about mocking Arsene “not seeing it” you know – I’m now more prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt. She might have aimed to mock the media who keeps mocking “Arsene doesn’t anything”, not the man himself. But if that was her intent, she as a journalist should have aimed better. All things considered, it’s still very poorly written, bad taste, and not even remotely funny.
Regarding others, no such doubt. I was thinking “why do they hate us so much?” Then YW helps me put it into perspective. They probably don’t, not all of them hate us anyway. The name “Arsenal” itself is helping them sell tons of papers. The names “Arsene Wenger” and “William Gallas” would make people click on their headlines and read the stuff (even if many readers dismiss it as cr@p afterwards) and bring up their pageviews.
Unfortunately I’ve done enough to “help” them that way. I have never bought any Daily Mail or Sun cos that’s waste of my pounds. But now I don’t want to go to their website to read anything for free either.
By: Lou on February 26, 2008
at 9:14 pm
I have a suggestion,
If the Media, pundits and everyone else in England (except Arsenal fans) hate the foreign players so much….Why don’t they kick them all out of England?? and then let’s see what kind of league the PL will be…..probably no better than a league in Togo or Indonesia.
G4E
By: Gunner4Ever on February 26, 2008
at 9:16 pm
If anything good is going to come out of the weekends terrible events its the way all Gooners seem to be uniting in their defence of our player and our club. Fantastic. We might be a bit quiet in the stadium at times but there is still a fighting spirit in us when we feel we are being wronged. Whats been said by the media, press and phone in idiots is nothing short of disgraceful and has created a seige mentality amongst us. If this seige mentality helps us win the league for Eduardo then im all for it. So come on all Gooners lets keep defending the great name of Arsenal and sing your hearts out for the lads for the rest of the season.
By: GoonerPaul on February 26, 2008
at 9:23 pm
G4E and fellow Gooners, you know what, I saw this whole thing (literally spent the whole weekend at home reading stuff like this cos I was a bit ill) and then Milan’s class act of putting up two messages of wishing Eduardo a speedy recovery and wishing him happy birthday. This makes me wonder: maybe, just maybe, this “European super league” thing isn’t so bad an idea. Playing Milan, Roma, Lyon every week, as opposed to the likes of Birmingham, Bolton, Blackburn, etc. you know. Maybe our style of play and players’ abilities would shine better there. But then if we face the likes of Real and Barca regularly and they won’t stop tapping up our players every week… Hmm I don’t know.
By: Lou on February 26, 2008
at 9:25 pm
Great shout Lou. A European Super League seems like a great idea right now. European football and most of its clubs do have class.
By: GoonerPaul on February 26, 2008
at 9:29 pm
Paul, you’re right. This siege mentality could spur us on. The “win it for Eduardo” spirit could spur us on. The underdog thing could spur us on. We’ve got these factors that form a strong psychological push. We’ve always had the quality and character required. The only thing that I’m actually worried about is injuries and nothing else. In hindsight, I think it’s blessing in disguise that we went out of the domestic cups as we’d be better off focusing on EPL and CL at this point.
In the striking department, it’s obvious that Ade-Bendtner doesn’t work for the reasons that (a) they don’t pass to each other, which I think Arsene can improve, and (b) they’re quite similar physical qualities- and style-wise. Bendtner doesn’t do anything Ade can’t. A half-in-form Ade can’t benefit from having Bendtner beside him. But Bendtner can’t lead the line on his own yet. I think it’s time for us to test the Ade-Theo partnership, especially in home games. Going away we might need the 4-5-1 or 4-4-1-1 thing with Hleb back in the “hole” position. But like YW said, Eboue’s suspension is still a short term problem. Denilson can fill a gap but he’s just back from injury. (Don’t want to bring up his name again, but Diarra really shouldn’t have stupidly chosen to leave.) Do you know when Diaby’s coming back?
What do you guys think otherwise?
By: Lou on February 26, 2008
at 9:35 pm
Yeah Lou, injuries could be a problem. If RVP comes back soon and Walcott comes of age then maybe we can cope without Eduardos goals. I agree that Adebayor and Bendtner cant play together, too similar. I still think we have enough quality to see the league through to the end and I think we can cause a surprise in Milan next week. Not sure when Diabys coming back, dont forget Rosickys been out a while too, it would be nice to see him fit again too.
By: GoonerPaul on February 26, 2008
at 9:43 pm
I am with you too Lou, a couple of years ago I would be dead set against a Super League, but I am warming to the idea.
the only problem I could see would be the cost of going away as a fan. I think the next logical step though would be the addition of Rangers and Celtic into the Premiership and I can see that happening the next time the contract comes up.
By: Patthegooner on February 26, 2008
at 9:47 pm
I’m all for it Lou, A Euro super league is a great idea. Leave the PL to Everton & Blackburn to duke it out with Birming-shame and the like.
By: Gunner4Ever on February 26, 2008
at 9:56 pm
Pat. I agree that there would be a lot to take into account going into a Euro Super League. However, the events of this weekend have proved that football people in this country have not progressed and seem dead set on returning to a bygone era. To play decent teams and watch decent football every week is a real mouth watering prospect. I am sick to death of Bolton, Blackburn, Everton and the like and the poor attitudes towards foreign playes that go with them. Inviting Rangers and Celtic into the Premiership would be a good start, they are both very European thunking in their attitudes to the game. Maybe the amount of away fans that would travel with them could be a problem though!
By: GoonerPaul on February 26, 2008
at 9:57 pm
Yeah I know. The only thing I find quite unfair is for the fans to travel all the way to Spain or Italy or France or Germany just to see an away game. But those games aren’t worth the same as going away to Bolton, Blackburn, are they? Hmmm tough one, this. Sounds like it’s about spending more money but getting games of much higher quality. But then it’d make CL much less attractive. Or would “super league” replace CL? I don’t know. Just an idea for us to think about.
Adding Celtic and Rangers sounds like a good start (from our perspective anyway). But I’m not sure how much resistance there’ll be from the Scottish league. I don’t watch them a lot, but I think they’ve been a credit to Scottish football in CL as far as I’ve seen them play there. Celtic gave Barca a good game last week!
I used to hate Everton too. But to be fair, I think they’ve been much cleaner and playing much better football this year. Bolton and Blackburn (despite the latter’s improved quality and league position) I think still are a bunch of cheats and thugs. So I’m a bit tired of playing them week in week out. But then I think Portsmouth, this year’s Man City, Aston Villa, even West Ham, I wouldn’t mind playing them. Hehe we can’t pick and choose – that’s the beauty of a “league” – can we..
By: Lou on February 26, 2008
at 10:20 pm
I think unless the Premier League stamp down on the challenges then it only spells disaster for the Premiership. I dont think the vast gulf in revenue between say Man Ure, Arsenal and Chelsea and then Bolton, Wigan and Birmingham helps. The big four monopolise the best players, the best facilities and best managers and for those mid table or below will use underhand tactics such as the pre match kick em brief as a leveller. unfortunately in Arsenal’s case until this season it has worked.
I would guess that worldwide TV rights brings is in a lot more money than pure UK rights and if this continues there is a chance that the foreign players and the foreign audience will slowly switch to La Liga or Serie A.
Football is all about money now and I bet within 20 years there will be a 1 or 2 tier super league with 20-40 clubs involved. I Imagine teams such as Celtic, Ranger, Stauea Bucherest, Ajax, PSV, Bayern Munich, Benfica, Dinamo Zagreb, Dinamo Kiev, Marseille could eventually become world players again and the interest levels in those countries would be immense. another element to this would be that if these type of clubs were involved then players would be more inclined to stick within their country of origin as they would be playing top level football….Hey it could even help out the English National team.
mmm the more I think of it I like it
By: Patthegooner on February 26, 2008
at 10:21 pm
The reason why I started wondering about this was that “We don’t get kicked as much in CL as in EPL…” A very good example is last weekend’s La Liga game where Getafe beat Real Madrid – at the Bernabeu! I didn’t watch but read Sid Lowe’s column on the Guardian website. When Robben and friends were celebrating a goal, they didn’t see the linesman’s flag go up, then the Getafe guys stayed alert and brought the ball to the other end and scored, 1-0 up to the underdogs. It sounds a bit funny (well maybe it’s Sid Lowe’s writing, but I’m sure it would’ve been entertaining on TV too). But my point’s that such a small team didn’t resort to kicking and fouling the Real players to try and get a result. It might have been a freak win for both parties, but at least it’s fair and square. I’m not saying the players in Spain or Italy or France or Germany don’t dive, don’t kick, or whatever. But the levels of violence are much lower there. Well I heard the Holland league there’re some teams like Bolton too, but those wouldn’t get into the super league.
Not saying it’s a great idea. But in view of what’s happening around us now, I just thought it’s worthconsidering. Well, probably more worthy of “exploring further” than the Game 39 thing anyway…
By: Lou on February 26, 2008
at 10:32 pm
Lou,
I’ve watched games in La Liga…Like I think it was gatafe & At. Madrid and the game was nothing but fouls. The difference is no legs got broken, in other leagues, they foul but it’s just that…a nudge here, a body check there and that’s about it. Only in England where you can fly in with a Karate chop and get away with it…and the execuse is, it’s physical in England……..I think the execuse should be “It’s so stupid in England”.
By: Gunner4Ever on February 26, 2008
at 10:38 pm
Last week it’s Ossasuna who played Atletico, in which our kid Carlos Vela scored one goal and made another one, wasn’t it? Rather, I was referring to Getafe v Real Madrid – link from my name to the Guardian article. Anyway that’s not the main thing. Like you/I said, there’s fouls everywhere, but only English clubs (especially smaller ones with less talented players) resort to or even celebrate this “grit” (violence in some cases). That’s what we want to see less of.
To be brutally honest, unless someone like Rooney or Gerrard or Lampard gets seriously injured (God forbid), these people aren’t going to wake up and have an honest debate about how to improve the safety and fairness of the game, how to better protect players, how to discourage/punish dangerous fouls, etc. Because they’re too busy condemning a devastated manager’s post-match comments (which were retracted, mind), a hugely frustrated captain’s behaviour and the well-being of an advertising hoarding at St Andrew’s…
By: Lou on February 26, 2008
at 10:54 pm
I posted about that the other night Lou
The problem is you have an English Media, English Press and in the most English Pundits, and they are selling primarilly to an English Audience
Now take Man Ure, if Wayne Rooney had been the recipient of the injury at the weekend, the English majority fans of all 92 league clubs would sit up and take note as although it does not affect their club allegience, it does affect their national team.
However if on the other hand is was Vidic or Ronaldo, those fans would suddenly not have a vested in the fitness or injury status of those players. maybe while watching they would say ooh that was nasty but interest in the event would last a few hours at most. I think this is natural, for instance as expected the country that has given the most exposure to this is Croatia. I guess injuries to foreign players just dont sell papers and dont interest people every 15 mins on Sky Sports News.
This is where the Premiership are failing. They have a duty of care to ensure that any player should not be on the recieving end of a tackle like that regardless of intent or malice. Ok accidents will happen but it seems to be happening on a more regular basis and like you say unless the mass English audience are affected by the aftermath of a tackle then nothing will happen.
By: Patthegooner on February 26, 2008
at 11:13 pm
Lou
The game I was referring to was about 7 or 8 weeks ago. I understand what you mean though.
Unfortunately of fortunately (Depending on where you’re from) No stupid giant like Taylor will break Rooney’s leg because he knows he will not get away with it, and it will not come from a foreign player for the same reason, plus foreign players don’t tackle this way…..so the problem will remain as is.
I wonder why someone like Hleb or Rosicky don’t fly in with tackles like this one? Or even our foreign defenders Kolo & Gallas?
The answer is the mentality of hooligans…..it used to be English fans traveling abroad and fighting with everybody…..now instead, they let the hooligan players do it on the field.
It pisses me off (American Expression for mad) so much because this is England, one of the most civilized countries in the world, how can this be ok?
By: Gunner4Ever on February 26, 2008
at 11:14 pm
Patthegooner, I think the issue of the money differential between the top teams and the also rans is similar in other European countries too. However, in Italy, France or Spain for examples the smaller teams still concentrate on developing their own local players or loan players to play football, not to make up for their lesser skills with ‘grit and determination’, which can only take you so far. They still manage the odd upset and are not regularly on the receiving end of drubbins from the big teams because they use technique and tactics rather than rough housing to achieve their aims.
By: Passenal on February 26, 2008
at 11:36 pm
BB you are a moron. You’ve got to be kidding.
By: 4R53N4L on February 26, 2008
at 11:36 pm
Oh and I forgot, I was thinking about this last night.
Arsenal should retire that cursed No. 9 shirt, and give Eduardo a different number when he comes back.
I think Alan Smith put a curse on that number and since it’s not working for any player we sign.
By: Gunner4Ever on February 26, 2008
at 11:37 pm
Heheh we say “it pisses me off” in all English-speaking countries don’t we!
Yeah civilised country… But in real life, the average fan/footballer/journalist/pundit rarely reflects the idealogies we/they preach. Especially when football is such a passion in this country, I guess we’ve thrown our “civilised citizenship” out of the window.
Which is also evident in some of the other fans’ behaviour. So many of them come to offer their best wishes for Eduardo, regardless of their allegiances, which is nice and appreciated. But still, I saw not only a few guys still let themselves down by saying very very terrible things. Just like the terrible, dangerous tackle itself, abuse is just “part and parcel of football.” It’s a man’s thing. It’s a contact sport. Whatever.
The thing is what we choose between saying those cliche things and brushing the real issue under the carpet, or facing it and tackling it (in a nice, safe, fair way) by taking a hard look at ourselves.
Somehow I guess I was a bit escapist in my thinking about the European Super League idea. I really wanted to stay away from the likes of Birmingham, Bolton, etc. But then if such a league is formed and gets successful, maybe, just maybe it’d be a good showcase of better on-the-pitch behaviour and have a trickle-down effect onto other English teams? I don’t know.
By: Lou on February 26, 2008
at 11:38 pm
Good point Passenal
Is that where we come onto Mentality then at Manager and Coach level. I guess you would never class any of the British National teams of being technically excellent unlike those in the countries mentioned and of course Holland, Brazil etc. And I dont just mean now, has there ever been a technically excellent England national team.
By: Patthegooner on February 26, 2008
at 11:43 pm
Sorry Lou, I thought “pissed off” in England meant Drunk not angry?
By: Gunner4Ever on February 26, 2008
at 11:45 pm
Yeah G4E! I said that on Sat night! When a Gooner said “Dudu, we’re looking forward to seeing you in that No.9 shirt again!” I suddenly felt something wrong with it, then replied “No please! Can Arsene give him another number when he comes back?”
Seriously!
By: Lou on February 26, 2008
at 11:46 pm
C’mon Pat & Passenal, you mean punt the ball and run for your life is not technical enough
now they added Karate moves, next English players will come on the field with knifes.
By: Gunner4Ever on February 26, 2008
at 11:50 pm
Oh seems like Milan’s suffering from the same kind of treatment as we… Kaka being targeted with fouls and kicks. Click through my name to see that quite unusual statement from the club.
So would European Super League really be a platform where we compete skill vs skill? Sounds like in England and Italy, between technical teams and those less gifted teams, there’s some skill vs grit stuff going on.
Hope Kaka will make a speedy comeback too. He’s such a fantastic player.
By: Lou on February 27, 2008
at 1:18 am
Very good post Yogi- Mott’s article makes me sad to be a journalist myself, as she managed to filet any humour out of her statements and instead serves to fuel head wagging mass whose apathy toward Taylor’s lunge is simply shameful.
However, to echo a few other comments- we need to move on. Eduardo is moving on, and working to get better- and the best revenge for injustice is victory.
By: groundsman on February 27, 2008
at 3:37 am
Its really sad for the media to be completely playing dumb to what eduardo has suffered, what arsenal mite suffer from this and I blve croatia is shattered.
Even if we think about it from neutral point of view..its baffling how the experts dont see what they saw. The simple logic is when a player lunges for a two footed tackle he takes a boundary decision then and there..and the outcome of the tackle (whether he wins the ball or gets carded) depends completely on him. So if his tackle takes out opp players foot…he is the one responsible not his age or something which increases his reaction time..blah blah..poor taylor i agree , not a bad guy i agree… but most of the cases most of the guys would have done gr8 without having to tackle such disasteriously. For all the press, for the 3 cunts at Birmingham rugby team..i say get a life.
By: rohan on February 27, 2008
at 6:06 am
hi
By: rohan on February 27, 2008
at 6:12 am
I did not watch this match live but after seeing the match, I think the FA should do something about players that make such lounge at their fellow players. I also expect the players’ union to weigh in on this.
The penalty was a bit soft, just like the free kick, but these kinds of decisions happen especially when you play away.
What is more evident is the fact that our opponents have a clear formaula to beat us or force a draw: Crowd us out in the midfield and the area in the eighteen yard box, take us on the counter and with luck they nick in a goal. We showed good grit against Everton, by mixing it up a bit ( long balls to attackers) and got the result. However, we are still not taking good shots outside the opponents eighteen yard box. This is a major deficiency, when we meet teams that do not open up. AW needs to work on this with the team!
Also, Clitchy needs a good rest to clear his cobwebs ditto Sagna, Gallas, but with such a thin squad, buffeted by injuries, that can only be a wish. If we do not get this trophy at the end of the season, we have only ourselves to blame.
By: confidentgoner on February 27, 2008
at 10:05 am