Posted by: Yogi's Warrior | February 24, 2008

Birmingham City 2 - 2 Arsenal

1 – 0 McFadden (2 8)
1 – 1 Walcott (50)
1 – 2 Walcott (55)
2 – 2 McFadden (90 pen)

Sent Off: Taylor (2)

The terrible injury suffered by Eduardo overshadows the match and the result. My thoughts are with him and his family and wish him a full recovery. Speedy does not come into; just a full recovery.

The tackle was simply horrific; it was high and late. Alex McLeish claimed it was not high, landing on the ankle. If he believes it was not high, then he should look at the photos again; it was over the top of the ball, onto his shin and ended at the ankle. There can be no excuses for it, no dismissing it as a ‘getting to know you challenge’. Quite simply that does not wash.

The television coverage has been shabbily sensationalist. Sky’s sanctimonious refusal to show replays because the player was hurt yet they have no reticence about replaying dangerous tackles over and over again in other games. Should the defining element of such decisions be about an injury suffered? Possibly but do not try to pass it off as being a caring broadcaster.

That as much time has been spent ‘analysing’ William Gallas’ reaction speaks volumes. Arsene said afterwards,

William did not kick anyone in the whole game. Tomorrow it will come out that William was crazy and Taylor gets away with it

He was half right. Patrick Barclay in The Telegraph does not let him off the hook although the attempt to compare Flamini’s challenge on Nani at Old Trafford with Taylor’s assault is vacuous at best. The News of the World does its best to prove Arsene right with a headline of ‘Gallas Goes Ga-Ga’. Match of the Day joined in and all sought to prove their theory that the pressure of the title challenge was getting to Arsenal.

In doing so, they missed the point. Gallas had witnessed a horrific injury to a colleague on the pitch, seeing the damage inflicted at first hand. If the reactions of Fabregas, Hleb and Adebayor were anything to go by, shock will have impacted on them all. To have turned the match around in difficult circumstances to then have it taken away through a combination of a lapse in concentration and another poor refereeing decision, little wonder that Gallas exploded in emotion. You or I might believe we would not have reacted in the same manner. Quite possibly that is true but until you are in those circumstances, how would we know?

In the circumstances, focussing on the match is difficult. Theo Walcott’s brace on another day might well have been viewed as a coming of age; he took his chances well. Were it not for some lax finishing, Adebayor might have had a hat-trick to celebrate. He is being chastised for not squaring to Bendtner to score what would have been a decisive third but such criticism is easy from the comfort of the press box or studio. Did he look up to see the Dane? I don’t think so but in the media’s and blogosphere, it is more indicative of their relationship still being soured.

Referees come in for some harsh criticism. Mike Dean deserves a welter; he was spot on with red card, being called a ‘brave’ decision. Why? It was a dangerous tackle and it should not matter whether it is in the first or last minute. He got plenty of the rest wrong. Had Arsenal snatched a point through the award of the freekick for Birmingham’s opener or the penalty award, it would have been ‘more bias from officials towards the big four’. They were shockingly soft decisions to give. Clichy clearly took the ball first for the penalty; little wonder Gallas was upset by it. The outcome of the match is summed up by the team having twenty-three efforts on goal and scoring twice. Birmingham had four yet managed the same return.

At the end of the day though, the team are three points clear at the top with a home game against Aston Villa next weekend. They have the week to clear their heads and to recover their composure in readiness for bigger matches in the next month.

‘til Tomorrow.
 

Responses

wasn’t a birmingham player that ended bale season
i think we should look at manager he tell’s the players to go in hard

http://anotherarsenalblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/scum-settles-on-surface.html

agree with every word

This is not the 1st time its happened is it remember the Diaby incident..Wenger has been saying this could happen again for ages,and hes been proved right no wonder hes furious!!! …Shit teams are sent out to kick Arsenal to stop them playing ,this is a fact,so no surprise when this happens..there was also a bad challenge on Clichy just before which he managed to avoid..so anyone saying they wernt sent out to kick Arsenal must be thick or just have their heads buried in the sand..
It was never a penalty either,or a free kick for the 1st goal,and Gallas after watching his mates career possibly ended is not allowed to get upset by it…the media in this country are an absolute disgrace…

Its a terrible shame for Dudu he had jsut settled in to EPL, now its really doubtful if he will ever make a full recovery. Look at Allan Smith hes a shadow of how he once was. If we lose the championship by 2 points I willblame it opn the selfishness and ego of Ade, he should have passed to Bentnder not worried whether he can score more goals than Ronaldo, HE WAS NOT A TEAM PLAYER YESTERDAY AND IM NOT SURE IF HE CAN PLAY IN TANDEM WITH BENTDNER. Lets hope Walcott really continues like yesterday.

Ade did look up and see Bendtner, I don’t but this “grudge” thing at all; I simply think that he just got a bit greedy and had the scoring-in-consecutive matches thing on his mind.

The main thing is that on reflection he should feel that he could have done better, and to remember that next time. As long as someone learns from their mistakes we should just accept them.

In any case with Ade’s sometimes wayward passing he’d have probably cocked it up and we’d all be saying he should have been more greedy!

Great post BTW, spot on as ususual.

Actually, this is going to sound controversial given the fact that we just had a player’s leg broken so badly it seems possible he won’t play again. However, I think the Telegraph article is right regarding Flamini’s tackle on Nani. Hardly a day goes by when we don’t celebrate the way Flamini (and Cesc) have brought steel to our midfield. One of the main reasons Arsenal is thriving these days is that we have learned to get tough when the other team uses tough tactics on us. Of course Arsenal doesn’t choose to play like this, but given the current climate we have learned to do so when necessary. Flamini’s challenge on Nani was definitely meant to ’send a message’ and if you looked at Nani later in the game he looked scared after that, like he just wanted to finish the game in one piece.

The condemnation of Gallas, on the other hand, is ridiculous given the circumstances. He kicked a billboard for god’s sake. Likewise the silly red cards and sanctimonious commentary that follow on shoving and slapping and what not just seem silly when the really dangerous stuff barely gets punished.

This sport is unhealthy for me.
You realize this is getting out of hand when a draw can ruin your week-end. couldn’t enjoy anything.
I was so angry at many different things. and am still angry at a lot.
What a week to forget. The way I feel right now, I can hardly believe we are top of the league and have only lost one game. I really wonder how fans of lesser teams handle it. Beginning to understand what they mean by fair weather fans. I handled disappointment better last season when we were far off the pace. go figure.

Lady luck decided to make us work for it I guess.

Was disappointed with a couple of wenger choices yesterday, (Gilberto and Denilson replacement, Almunia… ;) but lets forget this match.

Was disgusted at the commentary, was even more disgusted at the reaction in 606. instead of focusing on the incident, and the match, people were tripping over themselves to pour opprobrium on wenger admitedly over the top comment after the match.

We all know one of his faults is he doesn’t know how to lose gracefully. but they all acted shocked like lily white virgins.

Firstly I would like to pass on my thoughts to Eduardo, his family and close friends and wish him a speedy recovery.

I have a few points I feel that I need to make:-

The ball previous to the horror tackle was being played on the floor in which case would never warrant any man coming in from a high angle. Listening to sky sports and the BBC defending this man is incredible, there is no defense. I feel the fact the ball was always on the ground has been completely over looked and want to ask the question how can this type of tackle ever be defended. Arsen has since his initial statement on Taylor retracted and is claiming that he said these words in the heat of the moment, WHY? I want to see all the football governing bodies brought together over this and then finally eradicate this from football for life. Taylor you are no longer welcome in football!

I didnt see the match..and the incident..and i didnt have courage to c repeat..my thoughts to eduardo..how much i liked the guy..i expected him to score a brace yesterday and this happened to him..i cudnt sleep properly last night..the incident just didnt leave my thoughts..

on penalty and guys kicking arsenal..there is surely a bias..english media celebrate manutd more than arsenal..time and again penalties are given in favour of Manutd..if u take last 5 yrs..u might get so many controversial decision in favor of them…remember our 49 unbeaten was stopped cause of cheating penalty by one wayne rooney…shame on english media and english referees..

When I heard that Dudu was injured, had to be given morphine and oxygen right there on the pitch, I said to myself, I really have to see that replay. When I did see it, I was sickened. I heard that upon witnessing what had happened, Fabregas actually looked away and Adebayor screamed for medical attention.

I do not care as to whether the challenge was premeditated or not. I mean, it actually has worse implications if it weren’t intentional. I mean, if this were the case, then in the Premier League, undoubtedly the best league in the world, we have some galumphing oaf who was too clumsy to stop his challenge from breaking Dudu’s shin and ankle, from what I hear. I say regardless of his intentions, he should be banned for a year minimum, perhaps even until Eduardo returns, if he returns at all. I’ve also heard that few if any at all who have suffered this injury return to full action. It’s a shame for one of our brightest players to arrive, to suffer something like this. I wish him all the best and hope to see him make a return, without being too presumptuous.

Well written Yogi. I’m pig sick for Eduardo, its heartbreaking. I love our players, and to see one of them so badly hurt was truly upsetting. Combined with the events in this match, the end of this game was an explosive emotional cocktail, I for one expected the police to be knocking on my door as I let out a 20 minute scream for dear life, so I have complete and utter sympathy with Gallas, and was pleased to see that it meant as much to him as it did the fans. This match is going to be a massive mental hurdle to overcome, hopefully the players can unite in their concern for their team mate, and along with the fans, find a united front and push-on to get what we deserve this season.

The hypocrisy and spineless reaction of “experts” on TV/radio sickens me. For months thay have replayed “horror” tackles and warned that someone may get hurt. When Eduardo does, they close ranks and condemn Wenger. As I posted yesterday, Taylor didn’t go into the tackle with intent to break his leg but he did intend to foul and hurt Eduardo. Do this and the risk of serious injury increases.

I’d defend Gallas all the way. He distanced himself to prevent him losing his temper with anyone. Sensible. However, he has to use this anger positively. Let’s remember he is a winner with France, English players have no cojones.

Yes I’m English

What I find completely unacceptable is that there were two straight red cards in the premiership yesterday

1) the horror tackle
2) Aliadiere’s gentle tap on a liverpool player

Dont get me wrong both warranted a red but how can they only end up with the same ban? regardless of it being intentional or not, if the FA have any morals, Taylor will recieve further punishment.

also even if Eduardo does recover to continue a career as a Professional Footballer (and I pray he does), I would not be surprised if he asks to move back to Croatia, unfortunately tackles like this are becoming so common in the premiership that the so-called foreigner problem will sort itself out. They simply wont come. The media try and hide it but I am in no doubt that certain premiership teams are pre-briefed to get amongst teams like Arsenal and Man Ure. some will call it a Leveller, I call it thuggery

This is why I am vocal about Eboue who in my mind is not far off doing someone serious damage, as he did with JT. I just dont want it at Arsenal. Some Chelsea fans mentioned this on blogs yesterday…I think they forgot that not 5 mins earlier the same JT could very easily have ended Cesc’s career.

I reacted too yesterday at one photo that seems to show Taylor smiling at Eduardo on the floor after the tackle. well I hope that the photo just looks bad, but if it is a still from video footage, then it needs looking at, because if it is true then a life ban and a criminal charge should follow.

As for the rest of the Season, we are in a spot of bother. I am not sure how far RVP is from starting but Bendtner and Ade doesn’t work. Instead I think it is time to get the Walcott and Ade partnership going and hope that Walcott has found new freedom following the goal.

I also now feel that we cant do both the Premiership and Champions League and I actually wont mind going out of Europe at this stage. i would rather write that off and have a good crack at winning the League……for Arsenal and Eduardo

All i can say is bring on the European Super League. The value that these mediocre teams bring to the competition is dwindling by the year. Half empty stadiums and players who because they can’t play good football relegate their entire mentality to “getting stuck in” to the best players so they stop playing. Make no mistake this tackle and several of the other tackles in the game whilst not intended to be leg breakers, WERE intended to ‘hurt’ Arsenal players for the sole reason that we would stop passing and the game would come down to their level (Muamba on Flamini could well have ended the same way as Eduardo btw). The magic and the excitement of the premier league is really falling by the wayside. Let’s get a European league together where the top teams play against each other and the rest of the crap in this league can go and kick each other all they want.

YW, spot on again.

I’m with Jamie, I’d defend Gallas all the way. ANd the way some members of the press managed to spend more air time / column inches on that than asking more questions about the tackle itself is nothing short of disgraceful.

I’m not English. I’m trying not to generalise. After seeing very sad things post-match, I’m still trying.

Wouldn’t be that harsh but do agree about these needless tackles. It’s just a stupid way to stop us playing how we play.

Honestly B’ham under Steve Bruce were a great and friendly and inoffensive side - allies with Wenger even. This has just turned that way of thinking around.

I was a shame to see Arsenal throw these points away. Am I missing something though, or did Clichy get the ball in the last minute?? It wasn’t a penalty!

My thoughts are with Eduardo. I didn’t see it live as I turned over to SS1 about 10 seconds after it happened. Seeing the replay from a different angle was bad enough.

Eduardo looks like a top class player and a proper finisher so hopefully he’ll be back soon.

I still think Arsenal can win the league, but squad depth will be a problem for you in the next few months.

Hypoctites, all of you.

How you can get irate at Taylors challenge, which was not over the top and not ‘flying in’ and then think that Flamini’s ‘challenge’ on Nani and Eboue’s ‘challenge’ on Terry was any better, I don’t know.

I feel sorry for the kid, but I’ve seen way worse than that this year. If Taylor is guilty of anything, it’s that he was too slow and Ox-like to do anything about pulling out.

I feel sorry for the kid, but seriously, that’s the game. Get over it.

The sickening injury to Eduardo cast a dark shadow over the whole game and our front two, Ade in particular, were guilty of profligacy. We have known for a long time that Ade will always waste chances, but he deserves his place for all the good things he does. There is something wrong with Bendtner’s attitude, however. He seems too laid back and doesn’t get stuck in when necessary.

In adversity, a team will either become stronger or will wilt. We are definitely at that crossroad now. I am sure that Arsene knows this, even if he puts on a brave face to the media.

Ade and Bendtner must learn to work together. Ade needs to improve his conversion rate and be less selfish. Bendtner must work harder for the team and we must pray that RvP gets fit soon.

Walcott, promising yesterday, now needs to become a man. Cesc and Hleb need to rediscover the killer ball and Gallas, who was unhelpful in his actions at the end, needs to convince us that he really does have the stature to hold down the position of captain.

Another tireless display from Flamini - it would be helpful to the whole team and morale in general if he now concludes his contract negotiations.

I am unsure what to make of Gallas reaction. I was always of the school of thought that the Tony Adams reaction of chest out head high and steely determination to put things right the next game was the proper way. BUT - given the exceptional day, I can understand, as Yogi says, why he did it. It does show he cares and it would have been so hard to take. My only fear is that it also shows a weakness - a realisation that they need to be more points head of UTD because they will beat them at OT. That’s how UTD will see it. Adams would probably have destroyed the dressing room door afterwards. Probably the better course.

That way, you dont have the BBC Pr**ks lecturing and sermonising. I don’t normally go for media bias but by god, those guys are definitely the real deal - 30 seconds on the eduardo injury and 2 minutes on Gallas reactions.

My message to the team - you had 70% possession, 23 attempts on goal away from home. You had two goals scored against you by the ref. You had a stonewall penalty for 3-1 ignored. Ok, we also shot ourselves a bit with our decision making but fndamentally, our game is still in good shape. Walcott may now emerge. The injuries are easing somewhat. I pray for RVP to be back soon - it could hold the key.

The law of averages always gets you - we have a very low ratio of draws this season. Eventually all that bad karma stores itself up to get you. There are always games like this in any season - even title winning ones….

beedie - If his challenge wasn’t over the top then Eduardo would be walking around quite happily today. Get over yourself and don’t put words in other peoples mouths. No one said we condoned Flamini’s tackle and to compare Eboue’s is completely brainless.

I didnt know that RVP had mentioned in the past the nasty characteristic of English fotball, but I go along with it big time and it is something that runs a lot deeper than that

its part and parcel of the English/British culture as much as stagnights in Estonia and drunken hords of shrimps looking kunts running up and down the Ramblas in Barcelona
thats what the Sun/Mirror/Mail promotes on a daily basis
I am not English and have been living in this country for over 8 years now and I am still amazed about this aspect..obviously there is a gulf between the more sophisticated upper class and the rest .. that gulf is bigger than in any other European country
football/rugby are played in that same spirit..without any creative input and purely based on physical strength and violence
John Terry epitomizes it both on and off the pitch, spending most of his free time at the bookies .. our own Ashley Cole, product of the same culture, got dragged into it as he knew no better, even surrounded by people like TH14/PV4 who are miles away from this type of attitude
look what has happened to him .. same can be said of Pennant, etc..

I have also noticed that Arsenal are unusually hated on these shores
one of my English colleagues tried to give me an explanation saying that Arsenal are an atypical English side and therefore are not in line with the global cultural behaviour patterns over here and attract an intensely adverse reaction
this could well be true and its all the more plausible that the dislike is running across the different sections of the sports environment from fans down to media

and this despite the fact that Arsenal is morally a much better fit than anybody else, ie independent from big money and playing a free flowing entertaining game that even appeals to neutrals
and in many other countries, this would make Arsenal the fans’ favorite..not here though
maybe its also jealousy, the anti-French brigade, etc .. but it is remarkable to what degree even football pundits hate this club.. is it because it reminds most players of how inept they are/were in the exercise of this sport??
another interesting aspect of the game here is the perceived quality .. best league in the world hype .. well, let me tell you, if it wasnt for AFC, I would not watch a single EPL game..I dont know where the perception comes from, but believe me, most people I know prefer watching Spanish football ..
its sad that so many other leagues suffer from the money aspect in England that leads to them buying up all the foreign talent and depriving a lot of smaller countries leagues a great entertainment, because lets face it, its the foreigners here that produce the entertainment, not the primmitive one legged one eyed Brits

people over here are mocking the Germans, but at least their league has maintained some respectability and credibility and their national side does yours day in day out
btw in the Bunesliga, Taylor would get a 10 matches ban

I wish Arsenal were playing in Spain where technical ability and ball playing skills are appreciated

but lets look at the positives .. no England/Scotland/NI at the European Championship .. fantastic, great, let them organize their loser tournament during the summer whilst the elite of European football indulges in a feast of beauty

and last point to the ref, he is only another victim of this same culture and therefore you can pull Ade’s shirt back in the penalty box as its Arsenal and they are leading and they have no English players and too much talent and can entertain, so you can use otherwise illegal methods to stop them, you can kick them and you can tackle Hleb without any ball contact and Sky saying that the tackle was perfectly legal, because its Arsenal and they are not English enough

the only time the British football class ever moans is when Shrek gets injured ahead of a tournament..long may it continue

one word to Dudu..I will always remember his exquisite through ball for Croatia’s second goal against England at Wembley .. pure Arsenal class .. bye bye the Brits .. and may you recover quickly to get humiliated again
I cant wait!!

till then Taylor, may you rot in hell with the rest of your poor narrow minded ugly football nation

You guys got some valid points there. Alan that’s one positive way of looking back at the game, which I couldn’t do yesterday. It’s true, in terms of the football itself we’re still on track.

I can’t bring myself to answer one idiot above. Please ignore him.

Whether this ’siege mentality’ or ‘win it for Eduardo’ thing (Arseblogger posted a very nice picture of how injured Robert Pires was honoured holding the big Premiership cup, teammates all kneeling around, great one) will galvanise the team, I’m with Kelsey, we’re at the crossroads now. But I tend more to think that,

I think Gallas will learn from it and stick with the team even more in difficult times like these. I find his behaviour understandable and forgiveable. He saw his teammate go down in such horrible circumstances, go one goal down from such a soft free kick given, worked hard with the team, saw us one goal up, understood the team’s not performing at their best post-trauma but still held on, only for a mistake and questionable ref decision to turn 3 points into 1 while he so so so wanted to ‘win it for Eduardo.’ What’s not there to understand? His behaviour’s not ideal, but I’d rather have a captain who cares too much and loses it emotionally, than one who doesn’t bother to get angry when such terrible things happened to the team. Just half a year into the job, I think he’s been great. With a man-manager like Arsene behind, he’ll only improve. Like you guys said, to spend more time criticising him than reflecting on the terrible tackle itself was nothing short of idiotic of the English press and some fans.

I’d also like to highlight that the way Theo, at his age, put on a brave and good performance is admirable. This kid’s been subject to way too much pressure. The circumstances under which he scored his first goal (CC final) and first league goals (yesterday) were nothing short of exceptionally harsh for him. On other occasions, e.g. where he scored his first European goals for us (vs Slavia Prague), his performance would have been hugely celebrated, as YW put it, as ‘coming of age.’ I feel bad for the kid how some of his achievements were overshadowed by such terrible events. For an otherwise shy, humble kid like him, this would have done his confidence a world of good, growing up in such tough circumstances. In fact before I had full understanding (my web TV was extremely slow in the first half) of Eduardo’s injury, I was very happy for Theo. It though must have become an awful day for him and the team.

So Alan’s right, let’s not forget the positives. And now for us fans, we really need to get behind the team from now on.

Sensible thoughts as always, Yogi. Thought bloggers post on arseblog was very good too.

Beedie you Muppet, I guess you are not a frequent visitor to this blog otherwise you would realise that we are very critical of OUR OWN eboue.

To say you have seen worse this year is a village idiot comment, how many other premiership players are currently in hospital fighting for their career.

Likewise I do agree with Eboue’s challenge on JT, but everyone forgets that the great english player John Terry could quite easily have ended Cesc’s career not two mins earlier. JT should have seen red for the challenge and unfortunately when the powers that be dont police the game correctly players like Eboue take it on themselves to police it for them (Which I do not agree with and Eboue too should have seen red)

stop slating Eboue .. he is NOT a malicious player, but maybe, just maybe sometimes when we get kicked, it gets to him and he retaliates
as a black African, he will then quite naturally become the scapegoat of this othewrwise so extraordinarily pc nation
its one thing moaning about black players getting monkey shouts in Spain, but the collective attacking machine against Eboue by both media and AFC fans is sickening
his perf against ManU was a disgrace, not his tackle on Evra..he was ball watching for most of it
Eboue played wonderfully against Milan.. his runs with the ball a delight to watch..thats why I pay money to watch AFC..not for the “great English spirit”
people who put Eboue in same group as the basic English scumback football player are wide off the mark
JT is a drunken assassin .. ask Cesc
he got what he deserved
as for Taylor, only God knows what he deserves, but the worst aint gonna be enough for me

BB. Im English but all your comments above are absolutely spot on mate. The reaction to Eduardos injury by other fans, pundits, so called experts, commentators and phone in idiots was appalling. It made me embarrased to be English. To me the blame in all this stretches right back to Allardyce and his scummy blueprint on how to beat Arsenal. Win at all costs ugly crap football. Like sheep all Allardyces northern scum managers brigade followed his lead. Moyes, Hughes, Warnock, Jewell and McCleish have all got things in common. They all send their northern boot boy teams to kick Arsenal off of the park and get a point at all costs. Anti-football. The fact that Arsenal have been so successfull in the last 10 years is amazing really when you consider the crap treatment by English thugs that they have to endure every week. Why would any skillful player want to play here? Apart from the diving the Spanish league is a fantastic watch. Skill is allowed to flourish, bad tackles are punished severely and the worlds best skillful players play there. Apart from when Arsenal play I will not watch English footy anymore, Ive had enough after that yesterday. Ive always hoped that Ronaldinho doesnt end up here, he would be kicked to pieces. The thug like xenophobc attitude of English players only mirrors what goes on in our towns and cities everyday. English football mirrors the downturn in English society. Violence first, ask questions later. English football and its players are getting embarresed week by week by the skill, dedication and professionalism of the Foreign players and they dont like it so thet react in kind, by violence. Bowyer, Barton, Smith, Savage- what happened to Eduardo yesterday is the result of the way you scummers want to play football. Keep playing your good football Arsenal, good will always win out over evil. I hope we go on and win the league now and shut up all the idiots and their scum attitudes. Get well Eduardo, were all behind you.

The press are a disgrace if that tackle had been on Rooney, Ronaldo, Torres etc there wouldn’t have been any of there “it wasn’t a yellow card offence”. The player missed the ball by 5 feet and landed on Eduardo’s ankle with his knee locked guaranteed to do the most damage. As for Barclay’s comments Flamini won the ball cleanly opting to aim at the ball not the player. Eduardo was also identified in the Man Utd match as making a red card tackle when he slid in on Nani however if you watch it once he realised he was not going to get the ball he pulls his legs back and takes the impetus out of his tackle compare that to Wes Brown’s kick had Hleb in the first 5 minutes with no attempt to get the ball.

The events overshadow a shocking refereeing display Clichy gets the ball if not how come it was heading away from the Birmingham player when he falls over Clichy’s leg.

If Gallas wants to act like an idiot that’s his decision but better that than harange the referree for his incompetence.

As for Eboue and his challenge on Terry, well the damage was done in Terry’s follow through which hit Eboue’s foot as they both went for a ball, Eboue didn’t launch himself at Terry’s foot.

We now have a strikeforce of Ade, 2 x 18 year olds and an injury prone dutchman.

YW are we to be subjected to the load of tripe coming out of BB(Ethan”s) mouth). Its hard enough with the terrible accident to Edourdo that we have to put up with the crass rubbish served up by BB. As the editor of this blog cut the idiot out. As yu are aware I have been a supporter of Eboue and of the Arsenal side but this crap from BB is beyond the pale. Unless something is done to cool this idiot down then I’m sorry its a waste of time putting forward comments.

Old Timer. BB speaks the truth. English players, managers and fans have to change their xenophobic attitudes for the good of the game. Everyones entitled to an opinion mate, thats the idea of these blogs.

Edengrave, BB I could not agree more. The media and a few of their lackey pundits and self interested and tame mangers will turn the EPL into the WWF of the football world.

It was a horrible day and I could not stand the smug and sanctimonious ‘fans’ and Spooney on 606. As for and David Platt, what did Arsenal ever do to him to make him hate us so much.

It was never about Arsenal, Wenger, Gallas and Flamini. Terrible. An absolutely disgraceful performance by the BBC and Sky. Are there no real journalists anymore? I am getting a little jaded by the whole EPL ‘experience’.

I don’t even watch any other English football matches unless Arsenal is in it. English football is only winning the Spanish league because they have a better presentation. Otherwise watching other EPL teams (even Man Utd) play makes me want to fall asleep.

And even if the player who was injured yesterday wasn’t Eduardo but someone else from another team I would still be disgusted and saddened by what happened.

Seriously I couldn’t sleep last night at all. Kept thinking about poor Eduardo… he didn’t deserve all these from the thugs of English football… I couldn’t concentrate at work too… I was too angry and sad by what happened yesterday. I wasn’t even thinking about us only getting a draw last night.

I wouldnt’ be surprised if Wenger, Cesc and everyone else wanted to quit Arsenal and go to some other league like the Spanish league after what happened. I have been enduring poor decisions against us and other people always criticising Arsenal unfairly ever since Arsene came I don’t even bother to read articles or listen to those bullshit football pundits anymore.

What more can I say? Truly sad.

It hurts a lot still to recall the agony Eduardo went through. Hope he has a complete recovery. Nothing else matters for him now.

It also still hurts to see how the British/English media talk about it without sympathy for Eduardo. Clearly the commentators from Sky had seen the replay hence decided not to show it. Yet they talk about this being the style of the British game, that the tackle should not even get a yellow! No mercy and little sympathy was shown to Eduardo or Arsenal.

For years I have observed that the British generally dislike Arsenal. This is summarised each week in the press and on tv. Everybody wants MU to win, and for the rest of this season it will be no different. MU had cashed in very well on their 1958 disaster, and will continue to do so for the next 50 years, with the help of the press.

Even before the game started, pundits were talking up MU catching Arsenal. No recognition is given to us being ahead by 5 points. It is all about how we are going to implode. We are the softies, and lack experience. I switched off the sound halfway through the first half, and decided not to listen to the pundits at halftime. I will do the same for the rest of the season.

How are we going to react? Its easy to say win every game, but in reality it may not happen. We have just dropped two points, and the press is delighted. They say this is the beginning of the end, and they hope we lose more points, just to proof their hunches right. So stand up Arsenal players, stand up to double standards and win the title for the Club, for yourselves, for us the fans and for Eduardo. If we win the title, this will be “the sweetest”.

So Jimmy, by your reckoning a tackle which is mistimed, from a standing start, with no intent to go over the top and gets a players ankle is worse than one which is a two footed flying lunge with deliberate intent to take out a knee?

Your emotional myopia gets the better of you, but I’m sure that the inability of Arsenal to beat a ten-man Birmingham over 90 minutes has nothing to do with it.

A bad week. Move on, and grow up (especially you, Monsieur Gallas).

What horror tackle! Eduardo, you have my full support, wish you full recovery and come back to us, because I’m sure your career is not over as some fear it may happen. Djibril Cisse of Liverpool even had multiple fractures on both legs; but he is still doing the business.
Since yesterday, I decided to not read a single newspaper, because I am really upset wih all is written at the back. I’ve just come on this blog(Arsenal-world) and share with fellow Gunners our feeling.
I don’t even want to talk about the score line(about who to blame and so on…).
I just wan to tell something to AW right now. Something is on Arsenal players for sometime now. The first major incident that alerted me on that was with Diaby, and this time Eduardo. This is not good for the club we all love to weakness horror attacks on our players, just because they are foreigners; so they must be quicked until they make way to british players at Arsenal; because this is what is happening right now.
You have the responsabilty to find solutions to this by mixing more the squad in order to save the live of these young talented foreign players we all love and give us happiness through the quality of their football. I’ m not asking you to fload the squad of all British, but get two, three quality regular in the first team. I am sure this wil help release pression on our players when playing away against some of anti foreigner environment. I know you are well aware of this and you probably suffer more than I’m right now, but please do your best to help sort out this very quickly. You will have to spend some money though.
I want to see an Arsenal squad where players are coming from everywhere in the world along side their fellow English team mate joking with each other; that won’t alienate them playing away and won’t be the target of the type of criminal tackle, we’ve weaknessed yesterday. Thank you.

Agreed Old Timer

BB to say JT got what he deserved is party to how things like yesterday happen.

Retaliation is not acceptable, even when the Ref fails to correctly police the game. The criticism regarding Eboue on here today is in response to bloggers from other teams calling us hypocrites. Yet If it had been Senderos on Mcfadden yesterday, I would like to think that we would all be extremely critical of our own player in a situation like that.

The BBC and Sky continually employ thick ex footballers as commentators. analysts. They are not journalists, they find it difficult to string a coherent sentence together.

Danny Baker commented a few years ago that the reason they never offer an honest opinion that may offend a player or manager, is that they’ll see them later in the bar or on the golf course. Therefore, they close ranks. With the foreign players it’s different, they don’t drink enough or play golf. According to Ashley Cole, some Arsenal players even read books. Reading a book, now what the fuck is that about?

I think we will have divine intervention which will land us this years epl…its david vs goliath..we have defied lot of odds…but there are lot of them remaining…i think the trophy at end of this will cap a landmark season..its david vs goliath..come on u gunners…

News reports in Croatia state that Eduardo called Croation coach Bilić last night from hospital.

Bilić said: “He called me, said he was okay and will definitely return. I felt huge optimism in his voice and the will to return to the pitch. The important thing right now is that Eduardo is mentally strong and believes in his return, which will help his recovery.”

This is a good sign for the hitman, as many doubted he would ever play again.

Also he will be transferred from Birmingham’s Selly Oak hospital to London this afternoon. The surgery was successful, and for the next six weeks he will be wearing a semi-open cast.

The Gooner Forum will keep you updated with any news on his recovery, and we all wish Eduardo the best of luck.

sorry, I forgot to mention the link to that report was in my name

Well done gooner forum for picking that out

old timer/Pat .. I can only imagine your fat beer bloated faces .. your time is up
you are part of the ugly past
you dont understand the philosophy behind AW’s success
how this man continues to fight whilst around him everything crumbles, only God knows
he created a new team without money playing the great entertaing game.. Ferguson has only ever achieved because he had by far the most money available to him
JT tried to break Cesc into 10 pieces while the guy was lying on the ground .. how brave was that?
maybe next time he’ll kick a paraplegic
he is over committed in every tackle he makes and would get 5 red cards in any other league .. he constantly bullies refs .. do you ever watch football played in other leagues?
do you seriously think that Shrek and Terry and all these Nevilles would get away with constantly attacking refs
its that side of the game that is the most revolting here
if you dont catch the rotten smells emanating from the culture of the game in this country, then go and throw yourselves off a bridge .. btw old timer .. I am NOT Ethan and pride myself to form my own opinion, not the ones you get dished up in the tabloids on a daily basis

I can’t believe any Birmingham player dared to come out and say things now. They really are sick and appalling!

Click on my name to see that cr@p about how innocent their “Tiny” Taylor was. SICK!!!!

Thanks for the insult BB, unfortunately you fit into the ugly side of Arsenal not me

To claim that race is the reason some of us have issues with Eboue is ridiculous. to claim his foul at Old Trafford was not malicious is equally ridiculous, infact there is probaby more evidence in the mallace of that challenge than that of Taylors yesterday. Only Taylor will know the intent yet Eboues was clear enough for the whole world to see,

To me I dont care what colour, what race, what nationality players of Arsenal football club are as long as they give 100% and dont produce acts such as the dirty challenge or constant diving on regular occaisions

and finally to say that any player deserved a nasty tackle that ends up in injury shows what a thug you are

If you want to feel really mad watch this bunch of journalists http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid958992159/bctid1431451194

Agreed Lou

I guess Kelly hasn’t seen the footage yet, otherwise I doubt his comments would be like that, he has even tried to weakly defend it by stating Taylors sliding foot was on the ground.

It is so wrong, I really hope they go down

Thank you for the well balanced & beautifully written article, which expresses most of our views perfectly. Arseblogger also has a good piece & the final para. sums up my current feelings.

Garth Crooks infuriated me yesterday. I have not felt so down after a match for a long time & he was reeling off every bad tackle that Arsenal have made for the last 10 years. Perhaps this beedie is that cxxt in disguise.

The attack on Gallas is puerile. These blokes are not medical workers hardened to such sights. They will all react in different ways. The focus of our game was totally lost. This was a day when the Gods conspired against us & I am sure that was what caused Willie to do what he did.

From my initial view of the incident, I thought it was an accident, however having now seen how high it was, a different perspective comes in. Either Taylor is guilty of malicious intent, or gross incompetence. I hope & think it is the latter but the question is what should be done about a player, who is that dangerous?

The assaults on Hleb by Robson & the Sunderland bloke could easily have had the same end result as yesterday.

BB & I don’t agree on much but his attack on our popular culture comes too close to the truth, this time. This is a great country but the attitudes of a sizable minority let us down, time & again.

Good luck to Ed in what is going to be a long & hard road back.

I am so proud of you all here. So much passion and sympathy. We all need to pull together. What I feel is that it’s the world against Arsenal. It seems extreme to say so. But it’s what I feel.

Yeah Ole, I have no idea why these people hate Arsenal, or foreigners, or both. Just imagine if - God forbid - say a foreign player even as big as Berbatov hurt the England captain John Terry, let alone to break his leg, at the CC final this afternoon. What would the outrage be here? They’ll condemn it almost like heads will roll. A foreign striker taken out by an English defender? They said ‘it’s part and parcel of the game.’ THIS IS SO EFF-ING UNFAIR!

Agreed Lou and Ole Gunner

I have now made the decision that I will never watch MOTD in its current guise again.

lost a lot of respect for Platt yesterday too.

don’t know if it is just normal or in response to yesterday, but in that 1st half of the CC final, players on both teams are straight at the ref for dodgyish tackles.

pat .. you must be the village idiot par excellence
to say that Eboue’s tackle on Evra was nastier than Taylor’s yesterday is pathetic
have you seen the video?
if not I advise you to do so
at no moment was there any chance of playing the ball .. you can get it btw from one of the other Arsenal’s blogs

talking about racism in the game and privileging the white Engalnd squad players, just watching the CC final and Zokora got deservedly booked for a challenge on Drogba .. now just before ht, Fat Lampard barged into Berbatov..he was late and the ball was away..guess what he got .. he fat zero card
just a quick word from the ref.. pls Mr Lampard, we need you so much ..dont do it again ..
pathetic, any AFC player would have seen a card for that .. had it been Eboue, we would have heard how dirty he is, how late the tackle was, how there was no intent to play the ball
you can deny all this, but its happening all the time here in England
in fact, when then the pathetically poor England squad goes on their word conquering missions and falls flat on their fat belly, the truth comes out
the England squad players are enormously over protected here .. and YES I call this RACISM
it doesnt sound nice in 21st century multi culti England, but it is institutionalized favoritism towards a minority and to me, that is racism

and Flint, I wish it was only a sizable minority, I believe that it is the vast vast majority
numbers dont lie.. ask anybody in the rest of the world.. the Sun/Mirror brigade outsells the serious papers by a huge number
and Sky caters to the same primitive crowd .. so do Hansen/Lineker and the rest .. what do you expect from ex football players?? look at Wright when he opens his mouth, you got to run away .. funny that even the old Arsenal players hate the club .. this is the proof that the AW system is too atypical for your basic Brit
I have not come across one ex player who stands up for us
Platt should get shot after what he said yesterday
Wright talks out of his ass and so on and so forth, I would advise Keown to leave the BBC if he wants to retain any AFC credibility

yeah still feeling sick. really feel for eddy, just feel so low, if only some one could say he will be alright and will come back the same player.

but it was good to see theo score goals and now he should be put upfront with ade coz bendtner cant play with him. i dont really like bendtner anyway. maybe he is just young but he seems like a trouble maker!

come on you reds!!

BB

i take it you dont like the english then.

BB talks sh*t a lot of the time but I agree with him here. Firstly, I’m white, English and went to school in Islington.

Racism and xenophobia take many forms, the covert and subtle institutional racism that the football establishment in this country exhibits is real. Whenever diving raises its head, so too does the name Pires. No mention of Gerrard, Owen, or Rooney.

Those fancy foreigners at Arsenal don’t like it up them Capt Mainwaring. If Wenger protests, he’s whinging. Ferguson makes the same comment, which he has about protection for Ronaldo, he is given credibility because he’s a tough no nonsense Scot/Brit’. Do you see the theme. Even black British players (Wright) talk xenophobic b*ll*cks. Ashley Cole, criticised his foreign Arsenal teamamtes for reading a book. English players and managers are too thick to win at international football, and they know it too. Hence, the biterness and the only critcism they make is that Arsenal don’t like it up them.

The old cliche comes to mind, football is a game for gentleman played by hooligans. Joey Barton, what a lovely fella

it underlines what a genius TH14 is .. he got the establishment on his side in this country and nobody was allowed to tackle him in the EPL .. still makes me smile .. :-)
could you imagine how tough it must have been for Bobby to play in England .. it cant have been much fun .. having said that, at least he got us a few penalties ……..

BB

Didnt say it was nastier, I said you could see clear intent/malice in Eboue’s Challenge whilst only Taylor will know if he meant it, we can only second guess.

definition of Malice

delighting in harm or misfortune to another; a disposition to injure another;

Again great to see you lower to insults BB,

Hey Eduardo’s spoken to some Croatian sources, quoted on this site - click on my name to see the translated quote. Sounds like he’s doing quite well! THANK GOD!!! :D

That is good Lou

I liked this bit from Eduardo himself

“I’m speechless and cannot express my gratitude for all the support I’ve received. Thank you, everyone. Your support means a lot to me and I could not believe that it would be so strong. Many have called me, as well as the club and Andreja, the phones won’t stop ringing. I’d like to thank everyone for their good wishes but ask for their understanding and some peace and quiet during the next several days, both for me and for my family. At this moment, after the surgery, I need to rest and sleep. There will be plenty more opportunities to talk later on.”

Anyone watch the CC final, I actually enjoyed watching that, and to be honest it was difficult to decide who i wanted to win, but given that I cant stand what Chelsea stand for and the final last year, I am quietly pleased the Spuds nicked it.

pat ..Taylor obviously tried to play the ball
its obvious for everyone to see..I mean please , are you really that thick?
you are poking the blame at Eboue because of whatever feeling of selfrighteousness
let me tell you one thing pat .. i couldnt give a flying fukk about your supposed sense of justice that I dont know where the fukk you get it from but stuff it
Eboue is an Arsenal player who gets a lot of unfair stick
yes, he falls down thetrically, but so do many others
my mate at work supports Chelsea and he cant stand Joe Cole’s antics.. do you ever read about them in the English press??
the simple fact that you pretend that there was more intent to hurt on Eboue’s behalf than on Taylor’s must make you the biggest moron in the world
and by the way, I know the definition of malice .. and I could also easily converse with you in another 4 languages if need be, so you can use a few more dictionaries if thats what you fancy

I shudder, but I’m with BB except for the insults. Not neccessarily a vicious racism at work, but a resolute lack of understanding of other cultures, and an intense desire to defend English players.

What Gallas did was FRENCH. The other option was physically harming someone, he was so angry and upset. He had the best view…he knew Clichy got the ball. On top of the Ade no-call, which was on top of the dangerous no-call foul on Hleb, which was on top of Eduardo’s horrific maiming (did you SEE Fab and Hleb’s faces?), which was in turn on top of playing the game for Sagna’s brother. He so much wanted to win for Sagna and Eduardo. (Arsenalist has posted video of all this…click my name).

I DO approve of Eboue on Terry (and Flamini on Nani). In the abstract I don’t…I’d like to be with Pat in saying “Retaliation is not acceptable, even when the Ref fails to correctly police the game.” But this is not about the ref, it is about the English FA. It is not an occasional failure, it is systemic, and now crystal clear — no one is going to protect our skilled players from brutal attacks. (Just look at that tackle on Hleb at Arsenalist. In the same game!) Thus the only thing that will protect us will be some fear of brutality in return.

The Super League cannot come fast enough. My friend is a Man U fan who will not watch the EPL except when ManU is playing a top team. I’m going to join him, I think.

The injury was one thing. The response, on Sky, the BBC and everywhere (including morons like beedie here) is another. For an Arsenal fan who is not English, it’s an unavoidably simple conclusion: I have nothing but contempt for English football. I will never root for England again. I feel sullied rooting for Arsenal because it somehow supports such a degraded footballing culture.

Get well, Eduardo.

Pat, don’t be dense. There were not angles in this tackle, he ran straight at him, and made contact with his studs mid shin. Had the ball been sitting at Eduardo’s feet he still would have missed it and hit his shin.

That, my friend, is malicious.

I’m as angry and upset as any right thinking human being should be after what happened to Eduardo. I don’t care about excuses about intent, what matters is the outcome. Taylor is at best an incompetent thug and I look forward to the day when karma catches up with him.

Sadly nothing will change in football in this country until the career of someone the FA cares about is affected. I hope the Arsenal players are galvanised by this tragedy and go on to win the premiership in spite of the best efforts of anti-football.

As for the comments re Man U - it is mainly the pundits and media who want them to win. If you talk to the ordinary neutral on the street there are a lot who respect the way we play the game and want us to win.

Sorry BB I am not going to take your abuse any longer.

You made a comment that Eboue’s challenge just over a week ago had no malice, yet it was actually more obvious to eye that indeed there was malice

it is a shame that a fellow gooner sinks to these levels of abuse but I honestly cant be bothered with you anymore

This started in my reaction to Chelsea, Man Utd and Spurs fans stating that we were hypocrites that felt it was ok to let Eboue get away with it. i was merely stating that most Arsenal fans were critical of Eboue when needed.

I dont care how many languages you speak, and my use of the definition was to try and understand how you felt there was no malice in Eboue’s challenge.

Its a shame you feel the need to post in such an agressive manner, I always thought Yogi’s blog was somewhere you could get away from the unintelligent abusive posts. its a shame

Nolaboyd, my personal thoughts yesterday were leaning towards that the challenge was intent on sending out a message but we are unfortunately second guessing. In tackles like this it is hard to know the real intent and only Taylor will know that. When I saw the photo of him smiling I thought it was pure intent, but I have since seen others of the guy in real shock. I have also watched it full speed and in stills, and whilst I think it was recklass, mis-timed and high, I dont think it was done with the intent of putting Eduardo out of the game.

I repeat, I was posting in response to opposing fans stating that we were hypocrites that felt it was ok to let Eboue get away with it, yet they didn’t see it

Either way there is no need for any of this in the game, whether it be an Arsenal, Chelsea or a Dog and Duck player,

I personally dont believe that there is a anti-foreigner slant on all of this. I am English and this is an English League. I have no issues with the amount of foreigners in the game, ultimately if you are good enough you will play regardless of where you come from.

Maybe it appears slanted as if say that tackle was on Rooney, not only would the Man Ure fans suffer but so would the Majority English fan contingent of all 92 (I think it is 92) League clubs that also support England. However rightly or wrongly if the challenge had been on Ronaldo, although there would be concern and the odd message of support, they would not really care, its not their player club or country. That to me is why pundits and press alike will always make more of an issue when English players are involved

Pat you contradict yourself in your final 2 paragraphs where you confirm the ‘bias’. A nice euphemism for xenophobia

While the ultimate disappointment of yesterday comes from not securing the 3rd goal to make the game safe and the shades of last season’s problems. It is however typically churlish of the press to overlook Mike Dean’s performance particularly over the penalty. If I was a Reading/Fulham etc fan I’d also be pissed off Birmingham’s extra point might prove the difference in them staying up or down.

I get fed up of hearing the “Same old Arsenal always cheating” particularly poinient at OT where Ronaldo dives with impunity.

Sorry Jamie, It didnt mean to read like that, but the pundits and press are selling to an English audience and their audience are more concerned when an English Player gets a bad injury.

maybe the way to write it would be increased concern when it is an English Player.

I think you can see this with the references from the Croatian Press where this is huge.

NO, BeedieEyes, Taylor did NOT just “get the ankle, with a ‘mistimed’ tackle”– there is a reason that Eduardo had a “double compound fracture of the leg” and not a broken ankle, like Diaby– the tackle was high and Taylor did not ease off his foot, when it was clear that he would not get the ball, as Eduardo did againt ManU last week. This was not just an accident– it was prompted by a blood-in-the-eye mentality, instilled by McLeish, just as it has been by many of Ferguson’s proteges (and Ferguson himself, when necessary, as he did in the 2004 FA Cup, when he realized that ManU no longer had the skill to challenge Arsenal on footballing technique)– they all see it as the way to equalize the disparity in talent that they have institutionalized in their teams, by insisting on overpaying for inferior British talent, instead of paying the market rate for the best available, regardless of its origin.

Oh, by the way, Arsenal did beat Birmingham over 90 minutes– unfortunately, the ref decided (for unfathomable reasons, as there were no significant stoppages in the 2nd half, before the incorrect penalty kick award) to add 4 minutes of stoppage time to a game that merited maybe 1 minute… at the time that the PK was awarded (2 minutes 40 seconds into stoppage time), this game should have already been over– there was no excuse or reason for the teams to even still be playing at the time the PK was awarded.

BBC c**ts, “Gallas lacks leadersip” “Poor role model”. What B*ll*cks.

Let’s have Terry pi**ing on the dance floor, our own Adams smashing lamposts, Ferdinand organising date rape parties, Barton using eyes for ashtrays, Bowyer and Woodgate pumelling Asian students for an evenings entertainment. Gazza? Where do I stop. Steve Harrison, England coach with Graham Taylor taking a sh*t on the dinner table.
Land of hope and glory, Rule Brittania.

remember our good old PV4 .. how many red cards did he get in his AFC career?
now to the point, yes pat, he was also a hard boy .. so dont worry, keep the moral upper hand
but was he really that bad?
I mean I felt very strongly in these days that he was singled out because he was a French black player who was unstoppable playing for AFC under a French coach with a French vavavoom upfront
in other words, he was made the scapegoat
on the other hand, Roy Keane, the white ManU hero, was, despite being a million times worse, ever only lauded as the uncompromising man, the never die midfield maestro
that bias was/is huge and its very very anti Arsenal because Arsenal represents everything that the vast majority over here on these shores will never be able to reach
and its down to 2 men .. AW and DD
I wish we had DD back at the club in these troubled times
he at least had some infleunce at the FA whilst nowadays we got Triesman, a corrupt Labour politician who supports the scum from WHL

Pat, I’m fine with English fans caring more when a prominent English player gets hurt. That’s a perfectly healthy nationalism. But excusing English players who do this as “nice guys who didn’t mean it, not a malicious bone in his body” is just odious.

Taylor meant to intimidate Eduardo. His studs were 18″ off the ground when they made contact. He didn’t mean to break his leg…but he meant to hurt him, or make him fear pain or injury so that Eduardo would play worse. That is clear.

That you give a shit what this thug felt like AFTER he maimed one of YOUR players through his recklessness, when you pile on Eboue the way you do (not caring that he was defending a teammate, and that his teammates love him)…well, that goes against the grain of your rooting interests, doesn’t it? So what is it then that leads to this double standard?

I am asking this in all respect, Pat. I think you are part of the cultural problem, but you seem intelligent, articulate, and good-hearted. So perhaps some wisdom can be found here.

Remeber the media outrage when Vieira spat at Ruddock after provocation. Not pleasant and not defendable. But, compare it to yesterday and who’s the media villain? Wenger for overeacting

BB

Re comments over the past two days. I let the ones yesterday slide because everyone was upset. Today’s are beyond the pale because you are simply being insulting to fellow fans on the basis of their nationality.

You are entitled to your opinions and you can share them for others to disagree but one thing that people have been largely able to do is come here and debate without insults flying. It ends now.

You complain about The Sun and The Mirror yet throw cheap shots around in the same manner that they do. Do not lower yourself into their gutter.

YW

Well you might get your wish with another 6% of shares

I have to admit that, due to not really knowing the behind closed doors of Arsenal FC, I wonder if there is more to the DD story but you cant argue that he definately did have some weight in the FA.

I googled the Red cards, Vieira did have more and Keane was around longer so it spreads it out. For interest the table is

1) Duncan Fergsuon 8 Reds
2) Patrick Vieira 8 Reds
3) Vinny Jones 7 Reds
4) Roy Keane 7 Reds
5) Alan Smith 7 Reds
6) Eric Cantona 6 Reds
7) Andy Cole 6 Reds
8.) John Hartson 6 Reds
9) David Batty 5 Reds
10) Francis Benali 5 Reds
11) Luis Boa Morte 5 Reds
12) Nicky Butt 5 Reds
13) Dion Dublin 5 Reds
14) Richard Dunne 5 Reds
15) Ugo Ehiogu 5 Reds
16) Steven Gerrard 5 Reds
17) Don Hutchinson 5 Reds
18.) Tugay 5 Reds
19) Frank Leboeuf 5 Reds
20) Steve Lomas 5 Reds

I actually thought Vieira had more than that

BB

I would agree with you re Vieira; he was hated because he was the best central midfielder in the league and could out ‘fight’ anyone.

As for Keane, everyone I know thought he should have been banned sine die for confessing he deliberately set out to to maim a fellow professional. If Cantona got a lengthy ban for assaulting a fan, Keane should never have been allowed to be involved with football again for his actions.

Unfortunately, the FA are too scared of the big bucks lawyers to do so.

YW

nolaboyd, I dont care how Taylor feels but it does please me that at least he has some remorse for his actions. I was quick to jump on him after the smiling image yesterday, but stills can make the pope look guilty, its just in a moment

regards Eboue, I do heap on him as I just sont want it in Arsenal, as a club i want us to rise above the diving and nasty challenges, it honestly ruins football for. And I only do it on Eboue as it seems to be a recurring storyline and I would have hoped that internally someone would have warned him off that it is unacceptable.

And what I dont agree with are stories of Arsenal crack under pressure following Gallas’s actions, it had nothing to do with pressure.

That is just dis-respectful to Eduardo, but seriously all of this can only galvanise the team into winning this, and god I hope they do

nolaboyd

Eboue got abuse after the OT match which was totally wrong. Yes he deserved criticism. But abuse, no-one has the right to do that.

However, the theatrics is one thing that is guaranteed to make a lot of people’s blood boil. Football fans fall into two categories on this one: phelgmatic approach and an attitude of ‘everyone’s at it so why bat an eyelid’ or people just hate it.

The reaction to Eboue depends on which camp you fall into. If you hate that aspect of the game, and I do, then irrespective of the shirt someone is wearing it is deemed wrong. If that is your view then you should be allowed to criticise. If you take the other angle then it is double-standards to allow your ‘own’ to do it but complain when others do.

YW

Pat

Interesting that there were six players out of twenty who have been through the hallowed portals of OT in that list. Surely this cannot be right as Ferguson would have been whinging like mad that everyone was biased against United. Oh…

YW

man , as some1 said earlier its david vs goliath , why does the media and those pundits hate arsenal so…??? shld some1 complain to the bbc about its biased reporting ? if it was rooney we would have never hear the end of it . i pray that eduardo recovers fully and that arsenal win the epl. i think this team thrives in the face of adversity and they will pull together to work extra hard.
arsene wenger takes a lot of crap from the english press , yet he still talks to them… this shows he is a man of integrity .. thankfully we r still top of the league. the best way to respond to this is to refocus and win emphatically next week. we need to let all the anger out on the pitch and start beating teams mercilessly .

I did find it on a Man Ure Blog Yogi :)

For an example of what makes the situation so sickening, follow this link

http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/birmingham-city-fc/birmingham-city-fc-news/2008/02/24/eduardo-injury-influenced-referee-stephen-kelly-97319-20518099/

And Kelly has the nerve to call Arsene disgusting. There are times when I genuinely despair at the state of humanity.

YW

Yogi .. if you read the posts again, old timer and pat attacked me first
some people cannot have a provocative discussion
its all nice to talk about who should be in the team, what mark to give to a certain player, etc..
this is supposed to be a bit more thought provoking
I am not anti English, but I dont and have never liked what are perceived to be the “core” values of English football
fact is that a lot of these core values are derived from the core values on the “English street”
some people such as old timer/pat feel upset about it
thats their problem
we could probably drive a shortcut through this and say that Arsenal are too French for the liking of the people on these shores .. I am not French btw just for the sake of it
as far as tackles are concerned, there is not a single league in Europe that accomodates them apart from here
the quality of the EPL games bar ManU/AFC is extremely lacklustre
Eduardo is the victim of a hate campaign against a team that tries to be independent of the mainstream disaster football culture
Vieira fought back and he was strong
how do you reckon people like Cesc feel today??
Van Persie has already publicly attacked the rowdiness and violence in the EPL and was wondering aloud why good players want to ply their trade here
its still unbelieveable that Henry mangaed to schmoose himself into the establishment to make him untouchable
our players are human beings and they surely are talking .. Hleb same story ..poor old sod..wouldnt want to be one of his ankles for sure
do you ever see Gallas go into a tackle like this?? or Kolo?
maybe you didnt like my comments about Triesman .. oh well, so what.. :-)

BB

I have no problem with the anti-English stuff per se because I’ve met plenty that I don’t like although if you ask my wife, she believes I’m such a miserable sod that I do not like anyone…

I would not like to second guess how Cesc feels today but you can guarantee that the emotions we have on the subject are nowhere near a millionth of how he feels as it was his friend who was hurt.

As for Taylor, to use him as a generic English player is wrong. There are plenty of ‘tough tackles’ that fly in without being fouls by English players.

He does however typify what we know is wrong with the English player - poor technique and questionable attitude. Some of it comes from the national psyche as you observed but more of it comes from the media who are not representative of a nation. You commented about how tabloids outsell broadsheets - that is not uniquely English, it happens the world over. Or the bits I have been to anyway.

Emotions are running high so I would ask you all to vent your spleens as you see fit but lets not turn in ourselves. A fortress mentality around Arsenal? That would be a novel thing, wouldn’t it.

YW

Eduardo speaks out

Link from the Daily Mail

Sounds like he is in good spirits.

Great News

Pleased that Taylor has visited him too. Kelly’s comments were insulting, People have a right to an opinion but sometimes it is so crass you wonder why they just didnt keep it to themselves

beedie

You are a complete idiot……

Put simply that is all i have to say, its people like you in the english gfootball that will ensure the english national team will never amount to anything.

Yogi i totally agree i pray that this galvanises us for our remainding 11 games.

But what i would have to say is that be it intentional or not if you potentially ruin a pro football players career yoiu should have to pay i higher price than a mere 3 match ban.

And if the media don’t agree, and come out with that is part and parcel of the english game, then the english game needs to take a long hard look at its self.

yeah I mentioned that earlier, how can Taylor and Aliadiere be facing the same length of ban.

Like you said regardless of intent it is still a Red Card.

If you read the link on my name, Eduardo is being superb about it and his desire is so admirable. He shouldn’t have to, but he is taken it on the chin and said these things happen and his only concern now is to get back playing as soon as possible.

Its fantastic news as any player going through that would be forgiven for a period of doom and gloom, but not Eduardo what a legend.

Wow Eduardo really has taken it well with that PMA he will surely play footbal again.

Agreed Patthegooner he is a “legend”

On a brighter note, Carlos Vela continued his impressive loan season out in Spain with another goal and another assist

Link is on my name

I am really looking forward to seeing him in action next season, I am sure he can cut it here if he can in Spain.

i`m going to print eduardo da silva on my arsenal top tomorrow.up the gunners.

Oh, I hate the diving. When he was carded against Milan, I had no sympathy for him, even though there was contact that time.

But as we saw yesterday, diving wins games. Those who do not wield swords can still die by them. I’m not sure of the merit in just moralising on how bad football is, if that is indeed how bad football is.

Regarding “dirty” tackles, Fabregas is a dirtier player than Eboue. I never hear anything about it. I think it’s great…the boy has to defend himself. And sometimes Eboue defends him. Guys like Terry will be trying to maim him either way, and it makes some of them think twice. No one else will defend Arsenal, and I hate when Arsenal fans get on the players who defend themselves and their teammates. It’s not fair to ask players to risk their health and livelihoods so that we can feel good about the game.

The English game is atrocious. Arsenal was the last bastion, but watch, it is going to fall as well.

JohnDemetriou: Should you be in bed by now.

robbie savage: no red cards…

Yet another stupid English player who doesn’t know the difference between Football and Karate. How this guy is going to take a three match ban and comeback on the field and play while Eduardo the injured would be out for a year if he is lucky…is byond any logic.

I’m with Wenger, a player like that should never be allowed on a football pitch ever again.

The intent is clear, Eduardo is a striker and stupid taylor is a CB. It is obvious he wanted to tell Eduardo from the first ball to quiet down…but he could have ended his career.

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On another note: JohnDemetriou

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