Posted by: Yogi's Warrior | January 24, 2008

The Rumble In The Jungle And Other Rumours

The London Ambulance Service reported an upsurge in emergency calls from the heart of London yesterday with The FA’s collective blood pressure rising to sufficient levels to breathe life into the organisation, asking for television footage of the Rumble in the Jungle Adebayor and Bendtner’s spat on the pitch although early reports suggest that they may be out of luck regarding the ‘head butt’ as the cameras did not catch it, merely the aftermath.

An FA spokesman blustered his way through this by telling all and sundry that the referee would be asked what action he would have taken had he seen the incident. If it has been caught on camera then Adebayor will be the lucky recipient of a three game domestic ban as it is likely to be viewed as violent conduct, very likely a straight red card. If that is the case, the first game that he would be liable to miss would be Newcastle next Tuesday as it seems that The FA cannot complete any disciplinary proceedings in time for this coming weekend.

Significantly, they are asking the referee to review the action in the cold light of day, not in the heat of the night. His reaction now is going to be ‘by the book’ and not a spontaneous reaction to an incident on the pitch where Adebayor’s yellow card might well have influenced the punishment he received, if any at all.

Bendtner’s father had plenty to say on the matter

It’s sad that a great player like Adebayor doesn’t take his head with him on to the field. He was mad

Before defending his son and contradicting himself in the space of one paragraph

I’m sure that Arsenal will take care of this and give him the right punishment. I don’t expect anything to happen to Nicklas as he is innocent in this matter…If you ask me, he’s without guilt as he, unlike others, took his head with him on to the field. I think it would be a good idea for Arsenal to have a long chat with the two players and find out who is really to blame

If he sought to deflect attention away from his son, it failed as the rest of the article goes on to be a character assassination of the Dane. The moral high ground adopted is ripped from under Bendtner Senior’s feet when one recalls the petulance shown in earning his first yellow card at Goodison Park

Until such times as one of the duo breaks cover and ‘fesses up, we will not exactly what was said to cause the altercation although The Sun reckons it knows the answer, this being a direct lift of their headline, “I’m on because you’re s**t”.

‘A Source’ says

He has been on Bendtner’s case for a long time. The pair do not get on and it finally boiled over on Tuesday night when Adebayor came on as a sub with the team 4-0 down. Bendtner ignored him — but when Adebayor said the same thing again later on, Nicklas gave Manny the finger and it all kicked off

Adebayor has apologised for the incident

Overall, I think that we should have been more calm during the game and although I was pleased to get a goal for the team when I came on, I am sorry for the disagreement with my team-mate Nicklas. We are both passionate about this club and sometimes that can be projected in the wrong way. It was a mistake. We want to focus on the games ahead and rely on our squad’s great togetherness to achieve a fantastic season

It will take a few days for this to die down, until the FA reach the end of their process. There will be more pompous ponderings from the media no doubt, the behaviour of players their favourite pastime. The players need to ignore the maelstrom building around them and indeed to some degree, the night in question. Learn the lessons of the defeat but not dwell on it.

It is open season though with Theo Walcott’s poor performance opening up conjecture about his immediate future. According to the Daily Mail, and they are the source of other papers reports, the youngster will be offloaded on loan this transfer window, to another Premier League club. The story is embellished the more it travels, the journey’s end containing the proviso that Arsene insists he be played as a centre forward not on the wing. There is another factor being ignored, namely the lack of fitness of Robin van Persie. For Arsene to utilise the loan he needs the Dutchman fully fit, especially if Adebayor receives a ban. To go into the second half of the season with only three fit forwards is unwise albeit we have been playing with that thus far this season. Any games missed will not allow the rotation that Arsene needs to employ.

However, the FA Cup and the recommencement of the Champions League mean that fixtures are coming thick and fast over the next few weeks. Eboue is in Ghana until mid February in all likelihood so cover on the right is stretched as well. That to me makes the scenario of Walcott going on loan seem more unlikely than anything else. That said, Walcott would benefit from a regular run of games in the central striking role if he is to be considered to be challenging for a starting line-up place in the near future, something that would boost the players confidence at the same time.

The central theme to this though is that it is all conjecture on the part of the media. Until anything happens to either Adebayor or Walcott, it is the fallout from a poor result, a fixture that has left, it seems, deeper mental scars in the stands than in the squad.

The Daily Telegraph is seeking to make a story where there is not one but little interest is being shown thanks to Bendtner and Adebayor. That is the benefit of such an incident - there has been little focus on the poor individual performances, only the headline grabbing result and antics of the two forwards. The other players can get on with life and prepare for Saturday.

‘til Tomorrow.

Responses

The Carling Cup is proving to be a bit of a jinx for us. For all that we gain i.e. experience for up coming players, we also seem to end up losing key players through injury and suspension. It makes me wonder if it’s really worth it?

Hopefully, it sounds like the FA may not have the evidence to throw the book at Ade, but if there is anyway they can make something stick no doubt they”ll find it.

Totally agree that the team should “learn the lessons of defeat and not dwell on it”, and “get on with life” and prepare for Newcastle.

It is always the press that wishes to dwell on this defeat cos not often do they have the chance to write on something they deem so dramatic for them to sell their papers. More spice is required to satiate them, hence the press dogs will make sure the Adebayor-Bendtner matter will run for some time.

Therefore, it is time for cool heads to come to the fore and not let this matter affect our performance on the field in the next few weeks. Lets pick up wins, no matter how unArsenal they come.

Gallas has to take credit for separating the two along with the ref who sorted them out. Arsene will probably have to deal with sorting the two out but hopefully he can calm them both down. If this affects the Newcastle game I’m going to be worried but we can’t assume that it will.

I know most people slag Eboue - I happen to think he has great potential in midfield – but has anyone noticed how much weaker we are without him? The loss of Kolo is, of course, a major problem.
I think Nicklas Bendtner’s father is a pain in the ar*e. Agents in the family, like Anelka’s brothers when he was at Arsenal, are a a real thorn in the side.

adebayor is a looser and do not know what to do but just blows he don’t have patience. how dare he headbuts niki one of the bests we have?
adebayoer should have to teach niki rather than headbutting him.

The Bendtner family doesnt seem to find much value in modesty .. if his agent/father now starts to engage in propaganda for his overhyped sibling, then AW should quickly intervene
Ade did wrong, but I have a feeling that good old Nik isnt exactly an example of team spirit either
AW should consider reinforcing the squad before its too late and then come up with the usual post seson excuses for our shortcomings

He’s a father who thinks his son is an angel.

No crime there.

Ade’s done wrong, he should not be butting people. Plus he is an older head and maybe need to make the change Gallas made to become a senior figure and leader.

Hopefully this is learning curb for the pair of them.

If Van Persie is watching with his feet up in Old Amsterdam Coffee Shop, get yourself home son you’re needed.

it is totally wrong for ADEBAYOR & BENDTNER to start misunderstanding themselves on the field of play rather they should learn how to take defeat in good faith as it is a normal thing in football you win some you loose some but i believe that will not by any means affect the game against NEWCASTLE cos WENGER knows how to put them back on track.

i agree on RVP Danny, and even if he finds his legs are a bit heavy and his eyes are unable to see through the clouds of smoke

You can guarantee that if the FA can find a way to fuck over Arsenal, they will do it. They always have done and this incident will be no different.

Daddy Bendtnert needs to keep the fuck out of it. He’s an embarrassment to his kid.

Wenger is an outstanding man as well as manager. We are blessed to have him. However, are the deficiencies in our squad not clear to everyone?

I do hope that in the matter of making signings that ego is not clouding Arsene’s judgement. Is he just being stubborn and determined to make a point about our youth policy or does he really believe that our squad is good enough to actually win the Premiership and challenge for the European Championship?

For the want of a nail….

‘It makes me wonder if it’s really worth it?’

Me too, but overall it is a competition that has given us some great enjoyment, without the usual stress, because of the lowered expectation.

It is great to see the kids go so far & in my opinion we should have stuck with the general policy of a complete change from the PL team.

We always seem to have at least 1 disaster match per season, when we get into more trouble than just the result.

From what they have shown, & they normally like to show what they have, the Ade/Nic incident is inconclusive about any violence, but it does look probable that Ade got in Nics face, not necessarily a butt as such.

It doesn’t look like their is much danger of their being anything to convict Bentner, so at least both of them won’t be out at the same time.

If they have evidence it should be dealt with today, so that the suspension includes the cup tie.

I agree with Danny, (hope this isn’t becoming too common for you Danny?), Ade should have known better as the senior.

It was about passion but I don’t understand AW taking that risk, with the game already lost.

The worst thing is the split in great unity that the squad have shown, at least publicly, this season.

Another great article YW.

You deserve better from the comments section. It is possible to have a sensible debate early on but unfortunately there is a tendency to deteriorate later for a fairly obvious reason.

I deliberately stayed away from commenting on the Headbutt issue yesterday, as firstly I did not see it on the tv and turned it off as soon as the whistle went so I did not see the replays. Also I wondered if either player would come out with some sort of mitigation for their actions.

unfortunately now that the dust has settled and my thoughts are a bit clearer, I can find no excuse for what Ade has done regardless of what was or was not said to him. It is assault at the end of the day and I will expect that if the FA do get video footage, Ade may be out for a lot more than 3 games. I also expect Arsenal to throw the book at him as it is unnaceptable (I include Nic in these club fines too)

It is a shame as I think Ade was starting to convince the doubters but I just cant excuse him.

How it affects the squad, we will probably never know but if it is true that they cant stand each other, then it is not a good place to be

Hopefully it can be sorted out as we dont need it.

manayeh, This “niki” of yours is not really an angel, is he now? A while ago, he was making the headlines for claiming that he’s good enough to be a starting eleven regular and reportedly threatened to quit the club if this does not happen. Now, I don’t know what happened on Tuesday but I know that niki is one arrogant lad and anything could have happened there. How can you tell for sure that it wasn’t his(niki) fault? I mean, even the TV replays were so inconclusive. You conclude like a biased character.

You are right Pat but if it is proven then I don’t see how even the FA can make it more than a red card offence, carrying a 3 match suspension.

The referee did talk to the players so he saw something, even if there was no booking.

In previous incidents, like the Carlisle player who tried to snap PV4’s leg in 2, they have trotted out that the ref had taken action, when clearly he had not seen the actual severity.

We always seem to get the wrong end of these things from the FA.

If Ade is punished by the FA he probably deserves it but the club also needs to take action. It is unacceptable.

‘However, are the deficiencies in our squad not clear to everyone?’

The squad is so deficient that a complete 2nd 11, with injuries/loans to be taken into account as well, has beaten 2 PL teams to get to the 2nd leg of the SF, with still a realistic chance of going through.

We had a shit night that does not mean our players are useless. I have seen the best of teams take the occasional whupping.

A very good player has just gone because he couldn’t get enough games.

if the only evidence is what we have seen then I dont see how they can convict Ade. But no doubt Sky have more footage that they will pass only too glady to the FA and then yes for certain Ade will see a 3 match ban. If it had been Man U then nothing would be done. The FA will take no action over fergie’s rude signs to the Reading fans the other day. I can imagine what they would do to wenger if he did the same. As Arsenal fans we should be used to it. the back pages are filled with stories of how Adebayor should be banned. the tabloids hate Arsenal and they are controlling the FA, who themselves already hate Arsenal.

having said all that. If Bendtner did pick up a cut nose from whatever Ade did to him, it must have been a fair whack. Clealrly if Ade did do that then he is an idiot.

makes me think, why do we play such important players in the CC? we had 6 first team players on the pitch in the end. 2 of them came on when we were 4-0 down, which was pointless. same happened last year in the final when it all kicked off.
why not just let the kids play. fact is wenger let players like Randall play for the reserves on Monday night when they could and should have played in this game.
the mix of youth and older players really let us down. the young players would have known their limits and played a sensible defensive game - I bet they would not have lost 5-1. with the mix of gung ho attacking first teamers we just gave up defending at 2-0. and then when we kept conceding they lost their heads due to the frustrating scoreline. That would not have happened with all fringe/young players on the pitch. wenger said he wanted to stick rigidly to his policy, but he didn’t and really should have done. i hope wenger learns this time.

Agreed Flint

In all honesty I think most teams would have been beaten on Wednesday, it was just Spurs night, certainly no reflection on the bigger picture

I hope you are right about the suspension, but from Memory, dont the FA have the ability to impose longer bans in these situations. Does anyone else know of similar cases. I think the Ref only caught the aftermath so did not produce any Cards, this means the FA can and I am sure they will deal with it

I know Joey Barton got banned till the end of the season at Man City, but that was a training ground incident and was handed out by the club and they took his previous multiple offences into consideration when doing it.

taking a close look at Bendtner this season, he seems to be a bit of a loner. The post match celebrations on the pitch (back slapping and the huddle), never seem to include him, as he’s already off down the tunnel. This is even when he has come on and has made a major impact in the game (most recently Wigan and Totts at home).

My point being that he doesn’t appear to feel part of the group, so maybe there’s a few players who don’t like him/don’t get on with him. I think Ade is a twat for what he did and I wouldn’t be surprised if Bendtner ends up leaving the Arse, come the summer. I really hope not, as I think he has shown great promise and can deliver for the team.

I agree Gazzap.

It was probably a combination of thinking we could go through with a strengthened line up & the fear of the big defeat (that we got anyway) for the kids.

These 1/2 & 1/2 teams don’t work as well. 1 or 2 juniors with the seniors or vice verse can work.

It is very important for the season to bounce back from this defeat.

I think we have to play our strongest team on Saturday, and worry about who is fit for the PL game later.

From what they have said Pat, the referee will be asked to view any evidence, should there be any, in order for him to issue a red card, if he sees fit.

Good read as per your high standards.

Ade was foolish and his apology in private better be more forthcoming than that in public. Bendtner i not your shrinking violet either but it was Ade that resort to being physical so more culpable

I tried to see it from one of the camera angle , it was not conclusive but other cameras may have caught it but who knows.

I am dissapointed that AW did not admit that he would have learnt something from yesterday but he is the sahrpest man in the bzi so he would learnt something admitedly or not.

The doom and gloom prophets are out in force and being gleeful at that.

WE have to keep faith and this team have perform well so far and I am sure they would have learned from last season and an implosion is highly improbable. In fact I think it will shale away their complacency that have crept in the last few months and this may save our push for the CL and EPL.

Up the Arse!!!!

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That’s spot on Gazzap.

We get lured in and committed too many important players to the line up and run the risk.

The exact same mistake as last year. Obviously, though in fairness Wenger has not been helped by the African Nations, injury to Van Persie, sale of Diarra.

I agree completely, if the second teamers that would have played are ruled out, don’t get drawn in, play the third team players. That would better reflect the ethos Arsenal have and our use of the Cup.

To be fair Flint, we have had the odd argument but I do generally agree with you.

I know this is because of the us being of the “rose-tinted” partiality and not the lowering IQ levels that turn up later on.

No need to dwell too much on what happened between Ade and Benty. AW should take responsability in this one. He knows since the departure of Kolo, Eboue and Song to ANC, and the persistant RVP injury, the squad is really thin.
Remember, Alex Song was the major key in defeating Blackburn few weeks ago. We missed him in the first leg and I warned AW that he would be wise to play this game with full first team, instead of just placating things with half first team and half reserves players. He won’t work, because the balance won’t be reached. This is what happened to us last Tuesday.
Since I saw the team selection with Gilberto (no peace) and Flamini not in the squad and Diaby can’t win a ball(rather giving it away) , I knew we won’t win that game.
It’s time AW signs a big buck contract to Flamini right now; without him in midfield, we look too weak.
I don’t think loaning Theo will help the lad at all. There is only one thing missing in Theo’s play. This should come from AW ’s advice. He doesn’t seem like he cares much about giving the ball away. This is the thing AW needs to help him on.
And I thing the coach AW needs to include other alternatives (options) how to give the lads experience without damaging the club reputation, as TOP Four club that needs to engage any game with first team squad, specially when we are playing against any Premiership team and it’s at least quarter final game.
AW should take responsability for Ade’s bust up with Bentner, as myself had my own one with my wife on Tuesday who is a Chelsea fan; I was very upset with AW.
I don’t think this will affect Ade; I don’t know about Bentner whose father seems to be on our back for helping his son become top European footballer.

Agree with you completely Gazzap, if this is the competition for youngsters to be tested let it be that way ALL stages of the competition, who cares if we go out in the third or fourth round, as MANU and Spurs have done the past. Now if we lose Ade with RVP injured and Theo a passenger it can affect our title hopes.

Ade has a got a bad temper he was charged with assaulting his girlfriend 18 months ago, and he also has ego, not just Bentdner.

We do need to win convincingly Saturday and Tuesday and if Gibbs is fit he should be given a start.

Also its not just about fielding a mixed team of kids and seniors, which rarely seems to work well (see sevilla), its about playing players in their strongest positions. I mean using Diaby as a winger is really p*ssing me off and Gilberto as a midifelder is way out of his depth now - he should now be backup central defender until the day he leaves. these are simple tactical decisions that are blindingly obvous to so many fans.

Yeah, if Ade really broke the pooor boy’s nose, then its worth condemnation but we must also put things in perspective. This Berndtner boy can be conceited at times. Whether at national or club level, he always seems to think that he’s more special than his teammate. In the U21 Euro chambionship of 2006, he made stupid comments about his international team mate, Rasmussen, following a substitution. There was also that much published confrontation with Gravessen At club level, well, I don’t think I need to remind any Arsenal fan how he was going on almost just like Diarra not so long ago.

I am not trying to cover up what Ade did ( if he in fact did anything) but what I am trying to say is that, if Niki provoked the situation Ade, being a human being he is, could have lost it just like me and you would.

I think something happened but all the stories about a cut nose and a headbutt seem wrong. I have looked at the video on a 48″ screen. I did not see anything like a headbutt. All the papers are full of photos of the confrontation, as are the videos. None of them show a cut nose.

Gazzap the Diably situation is ludicrous hes useless on the left wing and does not cover defensively,
unless Flamini or Cesc is injured he will never play in that position, I think Song who I used to dislike has improved so much thats hes the best standby both at CB and CM once the ANC is over.

I dont see how Ade and Bentdner can form an effective parntership after this incident, unless it makes them bond together

Why did Wenger bink Ade and Eduardo on when the score was 4-0.Is that really great management? Ade could now be hit with a 3 match ban.We had no chance of wiining the substitutions were madness.

As for Diaby playing on the wing.Have we not got a left footed player in the the ranks of our kids?

Yeah, if Ade really broke the pooor boy’s nose, then its worth condemnation but we must also put things in perspective. This Berndtner boy can be conceited at times. Whether at national or club level, he always seems to think that he’s more special than his teammate. In the U21 Euro chambionship of 2006, he made stupid comments about his international team mate, Rasmussen, following a substitution. There was also that much published confrontation with Gravessen At club level, well, I don’t think I need to remind any Arsenal fan how he was going on almost just like Diarra not so long ago. On the other hand Ade also had fair share of controversy.

I am not trying to cover up what Ade did ( if he in fact did anything) but what I am trying to say is that, if Niki provoked the situation Ade, being a human being he is, could have lost it just like me and you would. We should avoid siding with anyone because it could be anybody’s fault.

Maybe Wenger didn’t think we were beat!

He certainly didn’t think one of his players would headbutt another.

Give him a break!

yeah I agree. this incident on its own is not a huge deal but you have to ask why its happened. to me it suggests either Ade and NB dont get on or NB does not get on with anyone. as suggested earlier NB always shoots off down the tunnel to avoid the post match huddle. I have known strikers not get on well of the field before and still they make excellent on-pitch partnerships so its not totally out of the question but it does pose the question of whether this could have a long term effect on team togetherness nevertheless.

The way I see it, whenever wenger brings in his fringe players he invariably plays them out of position, that goes for Diaby, Walcott in the past and to some extent Gilberto who cannot play in midfield. We only tend to use these fringe players in things like the FA and CC and unimportant CL games, otherwise, if fit, the first team players play. my conclusion is that if wenger carries on using fringe players incorrectly we cannot win the CC or the FAC. our only hope is in the main competitions. when I saw the line up on Tuesday I gave up on the CC there and then and I am fairly certain many of the same weaknesses will affect our FAC challenge as well so I dont expect us to go much further in that. Indeed if we get through and draw a big team I dont think its worth fielding our strongest team to get past them - if we lose then so be it. I just dont think we can challenge of three fronts. I know a lot of people love the FAC and so do i, but I am a realist and I want to Arsenal to win a big one this season and we all know that the fringe players are not a patch on the first team. those 11 players cannot handle the latter stages of 3 competitions - history tells you that.

The strength of the team is mostly down to what 11 players you start a match with. I dont take much notice of mish mash teams in terms of how it will affect games where we will use a full strength team. the FAC is nice to give fringe players a game but really our focus has to be on winning the prem league game on Tuesday.

how about give Traore a go on the left wing with Clichy behind him on saturday? Traore seems to love going forward and forgets defending at times but has a good cross on his. not saying this is ideal but its surely better than using Diaby on the left wing again?

To all the people saying we should have gone all out to win the spurs game, answer me this. Which would you prefer to win; the premier league, the champions league, the fa cup or the carling cup?

We simply dont have the squad to win all 4. And no other team in the league does either! If we were mid table and out of europe then fine, go for whats left. But were not. We’re 2nd in the league with a good chance of winning if we can keep our best players fit, same for the champions league and the fa cup

gazzap, thats a good point, i think Traore would do a better job at left wing than diaby. At least he has a left foot that can kick a ball. And he has the pace to get back to help out defensively too. He doesnt have the trickery of diaby but would be a much better supply of crosses to the forwards

Traore on the left wing could be good his defensive skills lately have gone down, and on the left wing he could definetly track back and defend better than Diably. We hear a lot about the youngsters so why not give Gibbs or Traore a chance in the FA cup and still have most of the first team. Bentner could start with EDS with Ade on the bench and Ade could come on as sub for Bentner if needed, playing them both together gives more fodder to the press

Well Said Jer

The Way I look at the CC every season is that its great to see who is coming through the ranks and every round they get through is a bonus.

Obviously when Spurs came on the horizon, I guess it did alter things slightly but still not enough for me. I was gutted at losing but was over it in hours. I would be a lot more gutted if they put us out of the FA Cup or beat us in the Premiersip.

At least it is another false dawn for the Spuds and I will thoroughly enjoy watching the sun set on it again and again and again. Geographically they are still our main rivals, but they neither have the sustainable financial backing or fan base to mount a serious challenge to us.

Jer

I am the first to agree with you. We do not have a squad to win all 4 and must hence prioritise. I remembered a season wehre we played the first team in all competition about 2 to 3 years ago and finally we got knock out of almost all bar the FA cup. While the youngster are good enough to reach the semi final which in itself is quite an achievement we are not good enough to win it.
No shame in that. We should have stick to playing the 2nd stringers and kept it at that right through.

Now lets move on.

Up The Arse!!!!

I know i’m going to get lynched, but i’m alright to see Diaby developing his play on the left!

He is not getting enough time in the middle and does have some good attacking qualities.

Worryingly, he does not defend well from the left side position and he must play more first time passes, instead of always dwelling, but his overall trickery is quite good.

I’d like to see play more and the left when Thomas is not playing is fine by me.

Not Sure about that Danny.

For me we should be using the flanks to create attacking options and I think when playing Diaby there, he is a non-entity as he cant cross or play a ball with his left foot and by the time he has switched onto his right the chance is often lost.

I would rather develop Randall/Gibbs/Lansbury in that position when Rosicky is out. Either that or maybe bring someone in that can play on either flank.

Oh I did not mean that as an insult to Diaby, Like you I believe he has good attacking qualities but his one-footedness means that he is sadly only going to suceed playing in the middle where opportunities to impress will be limited

As I understand it, Adebayor nutted Bendtner (albeit a gentle nod) after Bendtner raked the back of his leg.

And as I understand it, the Times has clear footage of Adebayor’s headbutt, which they have made public. It do not look good.

It seems ‘Little Nicky’ is not the most popular guy in the class, so maybe a smack was what he needed. Just not at WHL.

Danny, i hope he does improve in that position as i think wenger will keep putting him out there. At least when he cuts inside he has a good shot on him, though that is becoming predictable for defenders.

maybe he would be better on the right?

what??? he never stays on the left !!! traore gets whupped coz of that.. sevilla any1???

danny what game are u watching… this is not the joga bonito videos they making.. where they show skills and all that…!!!

GOING BACK to diaby on left wing thing. I think the main issue is his one-footedness so why not, assuming he cant get a game in the middle, at the very least use him on the right wing? Hleb has shown he is equally adept either left or right - to hleb it makes very little difference and I think the same goes for Rosicky. So why not have Diaby RW and Ros/Hleb LW?
Wenger might consider Traore and Gibbs not ready yet for this level and if thats the case lets at least get Diaby off that bloody left wing!
Danny, I am a Diaby fan which is why I dont like seeing him wasted.

I do hear you ck. I just think he maybe tries too hard when he has the ball and not hard enough when he does not.

There is no doubt the position is alien to him and that as Pat says his lack of a left boot, makes it a little difficult for him, but I want to see him play more and believe he is an option there.

He’s getting some harsh criticsm, so I understand not many agree.

Pat mentioned he shows signs of a fierce shot, he just needs to dribble a bit less, playing more accurate quick passes and better runs when without the ball.

There is talent there though.

Firstly - Bad day at the office on Tuesday guys - it will be forgotten by everyone except Spurs fans by the end of the weekend.

The Diaby issue is interesting - a lot of you guys like him, and put his poor performances down to being played out of position.

I dont buy into that - from what i see - his major problems are the fact that he always tries to take people on - and cant execute, or recognise when to make simple passes.

That to me is a lack of intelligence from a footballing perspective - nothing to do with where you play.

I will be massively suprised if Diaby is ever good enough to be a regular starter in our first team.

but he can beat a player - he just cant beat 3. trouble with playing on the wing is that there is always another player to beat. once you get past your winger, particularly if you’ve cut inside chances are you’ll have a midfielder and a defender to beat. In the middle diaby can breeze past one player then make the pass to a striker. thats the key, its a pass not a cross, which from the left he simply cannot do and he knows it, which is why he always tries to beat another player.

but i don’t think he will ever get a chance to play in the middle!!!

gazzap,

I’m not against him in the middle. It would definitely by my choice for his preferred playing position and at this stage, in fact currently I’d play him in the middle ahead of Gilberto and he’s definitely got a lot to learn defensively, but such is Bert’s form or fall from grace, why not try him there.

But i am not one of the latest brigade who because of Theo believe players cannot learn things playing in other postions.

It’s happened before and I wouldn’t rule it out happening again.

For the time being the lad needs games. And just to be a little sharper with his passing.

But he cant perform defensively - so he is competing with Fabregas for the offensive midfield position.

I have seen no evidence that he is able to string any passes together in an intelligent manner, so he is clearly not going to play there…

But Cesc does not play in lots of our games and yet Diaby still gets stuck on the left wing. Infact if both of them had to play in the same team then cesc looks more comfortable on the RW than Diaby does on the left.
I am not saying Diaby should be picked ahead of Cesc but I am saying when possible he should be used in his preferred position.
I think Diaby on the LW is because after the first teamers of Hleb and Ros there are no alternatives, so if wenger wants to rest one of them or they are injured then we dont have another option, short of using a very young player. this comes back to being short of genuine wingers in the squad - a problem that was discussed ad nauseum throughout last summer but never solved by AW. Vela might solve the problem but not this season.

Diaby is the biggest doubt of all our young players.

He is capable of taking out 3 players in no space at all but he is still too slow in picking his passes.

Playing time is important & like anyone else he would be better for a run of games, even if it is wide left.

I would have liked to have seen him CM on Tuesday but the feeling I get is that he just cannot be trusted from the defensive point of view there. People forget the amount of work Cesc does tracking back.

AW alluded to it earlier in the year, why not play him as a striker or one of the free men behind the forward in a 4-5-1 ?

He is big with great control & has a ferocious whack on him. Needs to improve in the air.

Maybe you are right guys - but on the left next year we will have Vela (there is an interesting piece on him in Guillem Balagues article on Spanish Football on Sky Sports website) and Gibbs will be another year older and wiser.

My fear is that no matter where he plays - he doesnt have the intelligence of defensive discipline to be good enough.

ah, how nice to have an intelligent discussion without a certain individuals presence.

Yeah cant wait to have Vela in the team. Fingers crossed he will adapt quickly to the english game

Indeed Jer!

And by all accounts - Vela has been making the right noises about moving to England - so it seems at first glance he has a better attitude to london than our friend Reyes.

Like Gazzap & Jer said above, why not try to convert Traore into a left winger? The guy has a very left foot cross espcially now that we have Ade & Bendtner to head in. If that works, Rosicky will have to play on the right, but that would definately make Diaby’s chances of playing very slim and I doubt if he would stay on.

As far as Ade/Bendtner….I agree with Sensemilla (what a beautiful name :)

Bendtner is not an angel, it is clear nobody like him in the squad and he seems to be a very cold person. That doesn’t mean Ade can headbutt him (if it’s true) and get away with it. Regardless if Bendtner is loved or hated by his teammates, he is still an Arsenal player and they have to get a long.

Bendtner will nerver show any loyalty to AFC .. mark my words
we should get rid of him in the summer and buy a world class striker

“Yeah, if Ade really broke the pooor boy’s nose, then its worth condemnation but we must also put things in perspective. This Berndtner boy can be conceited at times.”

What is all this lopsided blaming of Bendtner for his arrogance and conceit and knee-jerk defense of Ade? Ade has just as much arrogance and conceit as Bendtner, he’s totally swallowed all the hype about himself. I frankly don’t get this blinkered view of these two players that casts one as the villain and the other as the flawed hero. Ade is full of himself and while I hardly think the Sun is a reliable source, I have no problem at all believing that he has the colossal ego and stupidity to verbally insult a fellow teammate like that during a game in which the team is losing — badly. On the enemy’s home ground.

The incident according to the Sun went like this: Ade swaggers on to the pitch and says to Nicklas “I’m on because you’re shit.” Nicklas throws him a finger and tries to get on with the game. Ade repeats the insult, provoking Nicklas. Nicklas rakes Ade’s ankle, Ade butts him. Now, I’m sorry, but if this is true, it’s Ade who’s at fault for not shutting the f–k up and getting on with the game. He was too busy lording it over a fellow teammate.

Apparently Ade thinks no one should rival him in the striker dept. I don’t like this situation at all, it means we could lose Bendtner who offers us a different option up front. We can’t afford this.

Would we be this upset if we had lost to Blackburn in the quarters?

No Michael, it’s worse because it’s spurs and because of the scoreline.

If you read this month’s Arsenal magazine Diaby has said that he is out on the left in order to work on his left foot. He is not completely one footed despite what Alan Hansen said on MOTD and other repeat constantly. He scored against Blackburn with his left foot.

I don’t think we should be picking out individuals for the loss it was more about the team selection, which was too unbalanced and just did not work on the night. That’s at least twice now, I just hope Wenger learns the lesson this time.

Marcus,

Although I agree none of our players should head butt the other, reading newspaper’s explanations especially the Sun, would be very wrong to make a judgment on what happened.

I would think the argument was more about taking positions for the free kick, obviously Bendtner wanted to score to make up for his Own-goal, and Ade wanted to score a second to appear as the one more effective.

Both players are wrong, after the first exchange of words, both players should’ve shut it and got on with the game.

I think we are taking this very hard because of the core line and also being it that we lost to the Spuds.

I think we played well and the game was fast paced, if the Spuds did not score 2 in the first 30 minutes, it could’ve been anyone’s game.

Let’s put this one behind us and move on. I think we have more important games to come and now it’s even more harder than before if we lost our main striker.

- core
+ Score

Well now Ade wont be banned and AFC say Theo wont go out on loan . If you read the six main AFC blogs nearly every fan wants Theo to go on loan , for Gilberto to play as little as possible, for Diably to play CM, but AW doesnt care he will go on as before, at least lets hope Theo only comes on for last 15 minutes when we are wiinning, and Diably comes on fro Cesc any time he needs to be rested, and that RVP comes back soon and Ade doesnt thinks hes indispensable.

We do want a strong team and a win against Newcastle and for us to go on in the cup, we must have some silverware this season

BB who is the world class striker you want us to buy?

G4E, I don’t disagree with you, both players were wrong, stupid, and put their egos first before the team. Both of them should be punished, except I don’t want to lose either one of them to any stupid bans. I think AW should find an effective way to punish them in-house.

Yes, the Sun is hardly a good source — I just meant that I wouldn’t be surprised if their source were correct in what he said about Ade because (unlike others around here) I don’t discount Ade’s equally arrogant and conceited ego. I said that only because of the lopsided treatment some gooners are giving Ade v. Bendtner.

Agreed Marcus, I’m one of Ade’s biggest defenders…but I will not stand for one against the other when both of them are wrong.

No player no matter how good they’re is bigger than Arsenal, and all of them should understand that.

Oh Lordie No - They didn’t do that did they !!!

Oh yeah they have. They have only gone and done it……

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/shop/shop_product_p.html?pno=35029&code=CUP08&bcode=&WT.svl=GIFTS%20AND%20SOUVENIRS&par=GIFTS&parsub

Words fail me at how sad this is. ***shakes head in utter disbelief***

In fairness to Ade, and also to Bendtner (who incidently has a lot of work to do before we are on first name/nickname terms), I think probably the vast majority of players in the league fit the conceited ego driven maniac criteria.

Who wouldn’t? If you had 60 thousand people chanting your name, lots of dosh, read about your self in the papers etc - it would take a fairly unusual fella not to taken in by the fame and adulation.

It is unusual that at Arsenal we have had some of the more grounded, modest and intelligent footballers on our books in recent years - Bergkamp, Adams, Dixon, Winterburn, Seaman, Henry (yes Henry), Clichy, Gilberto…and on and on. For this reason ego maniacs like Bendtner, Cashley and Ade maybe stick out a little more.

I just thought the spuds could not get any worse but click on my name if you want a laugh.

well they got away with it. but I hope they know how close they were to copping a ban from the FA and they were lucky. I hope Ade learns his lesson. I know he served a ban last year for something Eboue did but some players need a wake up call. lets hope this is the last we hear of this.

I think AFC have said Theo wont go on loan because we literally so short of bodies particularly in an attacking/wing sense. a couple of injuries/suspensions and we would be fielding reserves anyway.

JK, great point. I think it’s more of a generation X issue. I know I will get a lot of stick from young fans :) but hey, it’s just what I think and there is always the occasional chance I’m wrong.

Steve,

Are they serious?? They actually put this on a DVD? My goodness, these people were porbably willing to die for a win over Arsenal and a creepy little CC that Chelski probably will win….this is the biggest joke.

Theres also a mug you know !

Only one mug :) ?

Ha-ha, they’re pathetic :)

Ade is not going to be charged. I still think Wenger should talk to them.

Bendtner’s dad should shut it, since when agents interfer in game events?

Flint
Do you live in Australia or are you unemployed. I’m working at 10am and haven’t had a drink yet. I didn’t realise you had to be pompous to post before midday.

spare me the righteousness

Walcott is a worry, he has the talent but he looks overawed and maybe intimidated. Either a loan may help or he may produce his best football in a middling team

Diaby is frustrating but the positive is that he doesn’t hide and has the temperament to want to remain in the game even when things aren’t going his way. If he could only learn to release the ball a little earlier

Jamie I do not think Flint was refering to you but a certain ancient Greek lady.

of all the arsenal blogs i have read and that is too many i am sad to say!!!! there is no one as self righteous out there in the whole wide world as you know who.

then again if i had a pound for every time i read “well said f—t you are the voice of reason” i would have as much money as wenger has but is not going to spend on new players!!!!

Wow today’s comments are thought-provoking and fair, in addition to YW’s great article as usual. Heehee many good points there guys!

Oh for those of you (or I should use singular rather than plural) who keeps doubting Flamini’s commitment to the club just because he hasn’t put pen to paper, please read what the guy himself has to say. As Sky quoted:

“I’m talking with the club. I am very happy and have some close friends here,” he told the club’s official magazine.
“I really hope that I will be staying and I’m very optimistic about it.
“Arsenal is my priority and I hope that everything gets sorted out because I love this club - the atmosphere is amazing, the new stadium, the supporters, everything.
“We are creating a new story here and I want to be part of that story.”

Now I’m going to buy the club magazine just to see for myself, as someone might still say it’s ‘talk in the media’ only blah blah blah. Anyway, I love the guy and I dearly hope he stays, which I’ve always thought he will.

Another piece of potentially good news - click through my name.

I realise many of you are Adebayour supporters but how can you possibly condone what he did, blind Freddie knows what happened, Adebayour is a disgrace. As a senior player should he not be setting an example to the young players. He has obviously got a bee in his bonnet because he sees Bendtner as a threat. In the same way that many of you support him, many of us consider him to be vastly overated with an ego bigger that his ability.

I don’t see any one here condoning what he did Terry, and Bendtner is no angel either with an ego too big for his age. At least Ade scored some goals for us and proved more effective.

Both of them were wrong.

It’s old now, we have a game on Saturday.

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