Posted by: Yogi's Warrior | December 3, 2007

Heroes: Perception, Dignity And Fading Glory

An interesting sense of perspective appeared yesterday on Newsnow, perhaps by accident, possibly on purpose, one could never be sure with computers. A mind of their own or just a bunch of technophobes at the helm. It’s the same result.

The Hamhigh’s preview of April’s visit to Newcastle appeared on the roll and made interesting reading. Malcolm MacDonald’s insights proved to be rather more perceptive than anything a Setanta pundit could offer – no names, no pack drill. Oh, alright, the drongo known as Tim Sherwood (I just should not let people like him get under my skin but hellfire, he did) and although at a still relatively young stage, this season is starting to bear some fruit as far as Mr. MacDonald’s predictions go,

But for Arsenal it has been ultimately a poor season – and that is what you get when you play with kids

So far, so stereotypical. Remember though, Supermac was talking about last season. He goes on,

For the past four months, I have been saying this side will win the title very soon. What has happened in the past six weeks has not changed my mind at all. Wenger is building an absolutely fabulous side. They will learn from games like last week’s defeat at Liverpool. There has been criticism from some people who should know better, but all I ask of the fans is that they sit back and take a look at the bigger picture because the future is very rosy.

It’s a blip this season. Manchester United will probably win the title. They are having to make hay this season while the sun is still shining for them, but that sun over Manchester will soon be blocked out by these extraordinary young men who are improving all the time at Arsenal

Only history will judge whether or not he is right; certainly, his peers in the punditry profession disagreed and continue to do so. One can only hope that he is correct in his assertions for if nothing else, the opening third of the season deserves some silverware as reward.

History will also judge Arsene Wenger. In the context of Arsenal, there is no room for any doubt. He will be perceived as big an influence on the club as Herbert Chapman. It is impossible for anyone to say that he has had more of an influence, nor that he has had any less of one. In differing ways, they changed the club; at this moment in time, we can only hope that Arsene’s changes survive and are not dismantled by a successor who does not believe in similar methodologies.

Something that annoyed me this weekend is also preying on the minds of others; the behaviour of Jens Lehmann at half time on Saturday. The decision to sit on the bench during the interval reminds me of an incident involving, I think, Neville Southall, when he opted to stay on the pitch feeling frustrated at the performance of himself and his colleagues, sitting in a goalmouth rather than listening to his manager.

Lehmann’s petulance irked me. Irrespective of his own feelings towards his current situation, Lehmann should have been in the dressing room listening to his managers’ words, taking on board comments over tactics or whatever else Arsene wanted to get across. Had he been called into action in the second half, he would have been unaware of what was expected of him in terms of distribution, etc. It was totally unprofessional.

However, contrary to what others say, and what you are possibly expecting, I do not think it should be the end of him as an Arsenal player. He is still a good goalkeeper; he dropped two absolute rickets and lost his place – a more politically correct injury you will never come across in your life. He has not one ounce of respect for his colleague who replaced him; indeed Almunia says he is happier now they do not speak.

At this moment in time though, there is not a better ‘number two’ in the Premiership. There is a proviso to that observation. It only applies if Jens head is in the ‘right place’. If it is not, then so be it and release him. There is no point in keeping him if he cannot be bothered, particularly in such a specialist position.

For all of the charade that he has put forward about being disrespected by his manager, he knows he cannot regain his place at the moment because his ‘successor’ has been part of a team that is undefeated in the League. Lehmann needs to come to terms with that and fast otherwise the memory of him at the club as the ‘keeper of The Invincibles is going to be clouded by the petulance he has, and continues, to display.

A quiet Monday, which is perhaps just as well, for I have received a book over the weekend to review and judging by that which I have already read, it ought to be a ‘must-have’ for your list to Santa.

’til Tomorrow.


Responses

  1. A thoughtful, interesting post, Yogi.

    I also saw the Supermac story from April 2007 appear on NewsNow last night, and smiled when I read it.

    Supermac has obviously been making use of his X-ray vision, to see and discern things about the team Arsene has been & is developing that other pundits & commentators simply cannot see!

    Let’s hope his predictions come true, starting this season.

    One thing that has been puzzling me over the last 4 or 5 days has been Arsene’s comments about the area of the team that he may strengthen during the January 2008 transfer window.

    Arsene has said that he may enter the transfer market to strengthen the defence, as it might be short once Toure & Eboue head off to the ACN.

    He pointed out that he has the option of recalling Djourou from his loan spell at Birmingham, and therefore may not need to enter the market at all.

    Now Arsene has known since August that Toure & Eboue were likely to be going off to the ACN in January 2008, as the Ivory Coast were probably going to qualify for the tournament, and indeed have done.

    So it shouldn’t have come as a surprise that the squad was going to be short of at least two players come January, possibly more – Adebayor – if Togo had also qualified for the tournament.

    Arsene has already said that we have enough midfield players to provide cover in that area, and has chosen to publicly identify our defence as the area where something may happen.

    Given that Sagna, Hoyte, Diarra & Flamini can all play at rightback, if need be, I can only assume that when Arsene talks about possibly entering the market to reinforce our defence, that he is in fact talking about our central defensive area.

    Our existing replacements/cover for the central defensive positions – Senderos, Gilberto, Song & Hoyte – may have to do a job for the team for up to 6 weeks, this being the maximum period that we could be without Toure.

    This is assuming, of course, that Gallas doesn’t get injured, although there may be a case for resting him here & there, to prevent injury & to keep him fresh.

    Now the aforementioned replacements/cover for the central defensive positions do not fill me with joy, and yes, I would love to see better quality specialist replacements/cover within our squad for these positions.

    However, what struck me about Arsene’s comments was not just that he is considering leaving Djourou on loan at Birmingham for the rest of the season, but the suggestion that the existing replacements/cover for the central defensive positions may not be quite upto scratch, or upto the rigours of playing centre half for a silverware chasing team for 6 successive weeks.

    This surprised me because Arsene is usually very supportive of his players and goes out of his way not to be critical of his players in public.

    Yet, if you read between the lines, Arsene may have been saying, to some degree, that he couldn’t necessarily trust his existing back-up centre halves to provide sufficient quality cover for 6 crucial weeks of the season.

    If they could, then why even think about possibly entering the market? If it’s a question of numbers, then why not just recall Djourou and get him to join the que of existing central defensive replacements/cover?

    Arsene may be thinking that it’s best not to disturb Djourou’s continuing first team education at Birmingham, and to solve his centre half problem either by a purchase or a loan via the transfer market.

    Alternatively, it may be that what Arsene said is in fact a complete smokescreen, and that he intends to strengthen other parts of the team instead, i.e. with a winger-come-striker.

  2. Dear Sir,

    I’ve always thought of football (especially English football) as a gentleman’s game. I’ve been a fan of Arsenal Football Club since 1970. I’ve suffered the agonies of the club as much as I have celebrated it’s successes. Every club and it’s players, as individuals, go through rough periods. Right now, it seems Mr Lehman is having to rough it out. For whatever reason he distress may be, he has no choice but to show the team that he’s still considers himself to be a part (be it a smaller part than before) of the team. Ignoring the needs of the team during the break, staying on the bench, and potentially exposing himself to the eyes of the ever-overanalyzing media, only shows his individuality (selfishness). Mr Lehman is no doubt still a very talented goalkeeper, and an even the greatest 2nd-choice goalkeeper. However, a good team is not made up of talented individuals as much as it is made up a group of cohered individuals. Meaning each one should know and appreciate the needs of the others who put in as much, if not more, affect to keep the others in the team. Mr Lehman is no gentleman. He should do his sulking in private.

  3. My worry re Lehmann — who clearly has gone utterly daft — is that Arsene’s patience in allowing him to ignore his manager and teammates at halftime suggests that AW put up with it simply because he feels he “needs” the guy as his backup.

    If a wise head like Arsene is putting up with this crap, what must Fabianski think? That Wenger has so little confidence in him that he’s willing to let Jens make a fool of himself and the club just to keep him around as the No. 2?

    Yes, Jens still can play. He could still win a big game for us — or for Germany.

    But there’s only so mucn insanity that can be tolerated before the whole squad begins to wonder what the hell is going on.

    So far, the obvious togetherness of this Arsenal team has been one of its collective strengths.

    I’d hate to see this nonsense with goofy Jens undermine that.

    Cheers!

  4. TIME TO GET SHUT OF JENS

  5. Fabianski is a great prospect and I’m sure his chance is coming. There’s a few unhappy players around the subs bench but that can be taken as a good sign of those players hunger and desire to play as opposed to other clubs subs who are happy just to be paid! As for Lehmann well i feel he is getting desperate due to Euro 08 and his age. He’s running out of time and he’s trying to hurry things.

  6. What book, Yogi? Im a keen reader and you seem the literate type, I’m always up for recommendations.

  7. Yeah read the same article last night and for a while was absolutely confused as to what he was on about. It’s a shame it was not in a Daily national when we were taking complete drivel for stick. I’m of the Jens is the better keeper camp but his attitude is becoming embarrassing and almost unforgiveable. He should remember he is not a legend of Thierry or Paddy status, he does not currently deserve a place and wind his neck in! This is a massive season for this young side, put the over-hyped ego away!

  8. Far from being some spooky vision of the future, Super Mac’s comments were only a statement of the bleedin’ obvious. It wasn’t the genius of his view, it was the blindness of other “pundits” and sadly, that of the majority of our fellow supporters. Personally, I felt you had to be a brain donor not to understand our team’s potential. Again, we were the best team last year and failed miserably.

    Hleb and Flamini seemed to receive the pundits for the Villa performance then, I wouldn’t disagree, Hleb is the man that obviously makes our football work, and Flamini is the highest morale player in our squad, he really is a man and that was a man’s shot that made the game 1-1 – the two star performers for me were Rosicky and Diarra.

    I haven’t been tremdendously supportive of Rosicky on this forum, so special mention to him. I thought his passing and movement was the best I’ve seen from him, if it was the icing on the cake, it really was the most delicious icing, he was tremendous. Please, please, please Tomas, keeo going, steer clear of those injuries because if you can build on this performance, I’m truly excited. And Diarra for me was the star performer. I’ve spoken to others who watched on tv and maybe this didn’t come across, but at the match, he was a hero. That guy was everywhere on the pitch, what an amazing engine, he just kept going and going, so powerful. And another bit of humble pie for me, and something else which perhaps didn’t come across on tv .. Eboue was an absolute disgrace. I’ve been a vocal supporter of his on this forum, and in this match, he completely and utterly let his team mates down. His second half performance was truly breath-taking. I’ve never seen such a lack of effort. If not effort, then being mentally retarded, failing that, the inability to play longer than 45 minutes. He downright refused to do anything other than walk for 45 minutes. I couldn’t believe my eyes, it was like he was on strike, to the extent that by the end of that game I saw two incidents with first Flamini, and secondly Sagna, screaming at the guy to get him to start playing / trying / breathing. I’d really, really like to know what the problem with Eboue is, he’s mad, mad, mad as a hatter. He was pretty much our best player against Seville, and then this … I’d rather chop my own head off than see him take the field against Newcastle, hopefully there’s been some sort of team inquest into this because his team-mates were not happy.

  9. Columnists. Funny lot, them.
    Cudicini is a fine number two I might add.

  10. Hboy,

    Have you looked at the methods available for self decapitation, because Eboue will almost certainly be playing at St James’ Park.

    What you are describing did not come across on TV but it was noticeable that Sagna was isolated against Young on several occasions.

    YW,
    I wish you had found Supermac’s comments before the summer.

    Hboy’s 1st para describes the situation then perfectly.

    Maximum PL games Kolo/ Eboue may miss:
    Brum h
    Fulham a
    Newcastle h
    Man City a
    Blackburn h

    I don’t think AW will buy a CB just to cover that. If he does go for a CB then it will be for a genuine contender for a long term place. We could do with the option of having someone with great aerial ability.

    He will not be able to get anyone in before Kolo goes so a new bloke would have to be thrown straight into Arsenal’s playing style.

    The safest solution is to bring Dourou back & play him, Senderos or Song with Billy.

    I have made my opinion clear about Djourou many times before. All he needs is a bit more toughness & awareness to be a truly exceptional player.

    It could also be Eboue’s position & not Kolo’s that AW intends to cover.

    Of course a ‘keeper is a defender but it could well be one of AW’s smoke screens.

  11. I forgot my prefered solution at CB – Gilberto.

    Then that could be why he needs to buy. Perhaps Gilberto is going, he deserves 1st team football somewhere.

  12. If Hleb doesnt make it for the newcastle game then Rosicky will have to really step up. I thought Tomas was vital to our display in the first half, almost as influential as Hleb i thought. Flamini looked dangerous when he broke forward, Diarra’s presence allowed for this more attacking game. Eboue and Sagna on the right caused untold problems when they linked with Ade and Hleb. Clichy needs to spend time on his crossing. If he could produce crosses like Sagna can then we would have yet another attacking dimension from the left. Have to ask though , where was Eduardo ?

    Same team for wednesday if Hleb is fit. If not then id go with this..

    Almunia
    Sagna Kolo Gallas Clichy
    Eboue Denilson Diarra Flamini
    Rosicky
    Ade

  13. Hi Yogi another excellent read. Keep them coming.
    It is a good question, where is EDS?

    I was hoping to see him team up with Ade or Bendtner.

  14. we currently have 3 problem players at the club. Jens, Senderos and possibly Eboue. Eboue because I hate watching his antics. every game he makes me feel embarrased to be a gooner. he has the ability for sure but to make a team player you need more than that. I am surprised wenger entrusts one of the key positions of the team on Eboue almost every week. I dont see any improvement, in fact things seem to be getting worse.

    I dont trust Senderos to come into the team in January without gifting goals. he is a liability in defence and should be sold as soon as possible. The solution for CB lies in either Djourou, Gilberto or a new player. Either sell Gilberto and buy a new centre back, or if he stays then use him at the back. there still isn’t enough cover at the back so either way JD must return.

    as for jens. this guy is not a team player. he does not feel part of the team and the team dont seem interested in him either. he is a petulant little boy but nothing he can do can derail the excellent team spirit of the other players. I think Almunia is at the core of the team off the pitch – socially speaking. his presence lifts the other players. Lehmann should be sold (given away), not because he cannot keep goal, but because he no longer derserves our shirt.
    Even if Almunia puts one in his own net I still would detest the thought of Jens playing for Arsenal ever again.

    On the bright side, my god, we have got some great players. the midfield aside from Eboue, where simply magnificent against Villa. The back four did really well too. there is no way that Arsenal would have won this game last season. we have definitely taken a step forwards.

  15. Eboue did play a major part in both our goals but Hboy’s comments about him in the 2nd half are alarming. He is a head case. He is a right mixture of brilliant & poor.

    I think he is actually improving though.

    Jen’s attitude is sad & it appears that it would be best for all if he moved on in January, with our thanks for what he did achieve for us.

  16. I find the anti-Eboue bile by certain posters to be very distasteful because it seems motivated by non-footballing reasons. (On another site I suggested it was motivated by race, eliciting a very democratic response from the blogger; he promptly removed my post. Needless to say I immediately deleted the site from my bookmark.) Back to football reasons; Eboue, despite his antics, provides defensive steel to our right midfield. I shudder whenever he is subbed by Walcott and since the ManU game when Walcott was exposed as a defensive liability, I’ve noticed the Boss no longer makes that automatic substitution. Of course the haters come flying from their nest on the basis of the Villa game when our entire midfield ground to a halt during the second-half pointing the finger at Eboue when it is obvious we suffered from the loss of Hleb. But of course these are the many of same posters who wanted Hleb sold in the summer.

  17. Okay Yogi, I’ll bite. What’s the book called?

  18. i think Eboue’s played a stormer these past few weeks – he has the potential to be one of the finest right midfielders in the prem if he’d only stop falling over and faining injury – lets face it, he’s leagues above Freddie’s last season with us.
    He’s a wonderful crosser of the ball, which is something we lack.
    He’s good defensively, good going forward…
    He’s got everything when you think about it.
    He just needs to toughen up a little.
    I don’t see how anyone can call him a problem player…
    I guess his antics, unfortunately disrupt his own teams flow, and i’m suprised Wenger hasn’t pointed this out to him, but in all fainess he does come into some rough treatment, and rightly so, he must be a nightmare to play against.
    Jens’ behaviour is just typical of him & i find it quite comical. When he goes i’ll miss it that petulance. I’ve been dead impressed with Fabianski though, so i think we’re doing alright on the goal keeper front.
    Agree with Flint on the centre back situation – bring back Djorou, play him or Gilberto. i guess the only worry is whether Gallas picks up a knock…

  19. shotta

    How have you arrived at your theory – point out the comments that are motivated by ‘non-football reasons’.

    DavidN

    All will be revealed tomorrow.

    YW

  20. What? Any comments by any poster to this site calling in to question that criticism of a player is based on race is ridiculous. In all the time I have read and commented on this blog I have only ever seen one other person alluded to race being an issue, and I took heart from the response of posters that put that suggestion to bed very fast. Eboue was criticised because in the 2nd half he played exceptionally poorly… were it any other player the discussion would be the same. Don’t grand stand on an issue that doesn’t exist Shota, I think you need to look inward and see that perhaps your perceptions are ill judged.

  21. Shotta – I was one of the bloggers who wanted Hleb sold this season. I always thought he & Gilberto between them gave away far too many balls in the midfield which in turn put too much pressure on the back four…
    I think people are genuinely upset with Eboue because he disrupts the game & in particular Arsenal’s flow. It’s frustrating when we’re flying & the opposite team are going down injured & time wasting, so it’s just as annoying, if not more annoying when it’s one of our very own players doing it.

  22. The way Eboue play could be a just a simple reason of fatigue as he did play in Seville. He di play nearly the whole game so perhaps his stamina needs to improve or he needs to learn how to pace himself as many did say he played a stormer in the first half. I believe it is his character( the diving and the whingeing) that invites the negative perceptions but AW did say it was fatigue that cause some of our second half drop in form.
    That was easy enough.
    Now needless to say we need to win this trip to the Tyneside, I really do not care if Fat Sam lose his job or not but the distance we can put the rest of the pack back is all important for now. Eventually we are bound to drop some points but while our form is flying and Newcastle’s are not we absolutely need to win games like this. It will provide a cushion when our form do drop.

  23. I dont doubt that Eboue’s poor second half was down to fatigue. he has played every game for us recently and also played both games in the international break. I think he and Toure are the only players to have done that. that does not excuse his falling over. and if his work rate drops so low as to leave poor Sagna exposed then he should be subbed off. again not his fault, but where are the wingers on the bench?
    we could all see the squad did not contain enough wingers before the season, so this is why Eboue is having to play every game.
    If I criticise Eboue its not because of race. If shotta is suggesting I am racist then I can assure him he is well wide of the mark. Look at Toure, fantastic player and great example to all players of how the game should be played – he is also black and from the Ivory Coast, but the comparison to Eboue is like chalk and cheese.

  24. Gaz,

    chalk & cheese based on performance… I agree

  25. Yogi: Forgive me if I imply that you have slated Eboue for non-footballing reasons as I was at pains to refer to many other bloggers. What has gotten my ire is the plain viciousness and imbalance. I referred to it in another post as the Cyclops syndrome. As some posters have observed Eboue has played almost every game after an injury early in the season. But some so-called Gunners refuse to cut the man some slack. Not only does he offer defensive solidity on the right side but he is a a handful to the left fullbacks because he is fast, strong and tricky with the ability to go inside or outside. Some of his link-up play going forward, especially with Hleb, has been breath-taking. Yes he goes down too easily sometimes, but so did Robert Pires. I only started posting because I became incensed by the bile. To this day I wonder about the motivation of these Eboue-bashers.

  26. It is not racism in itself Shotta.

    Perhaps we do not understand his behaviour but it is nothing about the colour of his skin.

    I am afraid there always seems to be the need for a ‘butt of the crowd’ through all the ages.

    Eboue is not as popular as most of his team mates because of his strange & often embarrassing behaviour. He need a bit more of a ‘ grin & bare it’ attitude & a more subtle approach to get his revenge.

    If it was racism, as Gazzap said, Kolo wouldn’t be just about 1 of the most popular Arsenal players of all time.

  27. Flint: It is funny how race is such a sensitive issue, when it is always simmering below the surface in European football. Ask Samuel Eto’o. Yet it seems English (British) bloggers as a rule seek to deny it exists. In any event in my 1st reference to it as a issue was an allusion to a ManU blog a month or so ago which was forthright in its racist tone in stating that Arsenal had too many Nigerian (sic) players. The Blogger on that website then showed his true colors by deleting my posting. BTW: It leads one to wonder why ManU is one of the few EPL teams without an African player on its books. I call it the Samuel Etoó paradox. More anon.

  28. Sensitive to who?

    It is hurtful that you could compare us to a Man U blog.

    You are just ‘barking up the wrong tree’ here and should be more considerate about who you accuse of racism..

    Perhaps you could also explain the Eto situation to us? I for 1 am ignorant of it.

  29. shotta, you cannot compare Man U or spanish fans with Arsenal fans. Arsenal fans are probably the least racist bunch of fans around. not saying there aren’t a very tiny minority but this isn’t Millwall. Racism as an identifiable problem does not exist at Arsenal, but I have seen evidence to suggest it is a problem elswhere as you have highlighted.
    Arsenal fans dont care about where the players are from – so long as they play for the shirt with pride and in the right manner we will get behind anybody.

  30. Shotta, you mentioned Hleb in your first post – He bore the brunt of many a harsh slagging off last season, now we’re all in love with the guy.
    Look at poor ol’ Pascal Cygan – he got no end of grief.
    Senderos has been getting the harsh treatment ever since he arrived, and it’s getting worse.
    We’re a passionate bunch, we love our team dearly, but i do like to think that we slate our players equally!
    Any imbalance (if there is one) is surely a result of there being more black players pushing for a first team place at Arsenal than white, no?

    I’m not saying that racism doesn’t exist in the premiership, but as far as i can tell the only issue Arsenal fans have had with colour was the clubs choice of away kit design this season… which i must say has grown on me despite originally thinking that it looked like shite!

  31. So Gazazap, race is not a preoblem unless one dives?

    The sooner we accept it the better. Race is a problem even in England. Only that its not as rampant as in other places.

    The reference to Man U fans is a reflection of most fans unfortunately.

    And like Arsene said the foreigner spoiling football thing is ‘racist’. He said it and deep down we all knew what he meant and that he was right.

    Having said that I believe that Arsenal fans generally are the least concerned with race – V4, TH14, Kolo etc being some of the fans most favourite is an example.

  32. Am I mistaken in this? Twice recently now Sagna has been directly involved in important goals: he crossed to Gallas against Wigan, and to Ade against Aston Villa. He looks great on defense. He’s playing incredible football. He’s great fun to watch. No one seems to be noticing. Please correct me.

  33. “So Gazazap, race is not a preoblem unless one dives?”
    WHAT? No. Dont be an idiot.
    The problem of diving is totally seperate from racism. At Arsenal we dont like diving and we dont like racists. Racism might be an issue around England but there are few, if any, racist under-currents at Arsenal. the nearest I can think of was that issue of a cypriot flag at Emirates last season.
    Pires only dived once – against Portsmouth and he never heard the end of it. yes being caught and making sure you get a free kick is something different. Pires was often fouled and I think he really hated being fouled in full flow, so he made sure he got justice in the form of a free kick. he also had a knack of when there are no options on for him, shielding the ball and making the other guy kick him, thus winning a free kick. its what they call getting cute. can be frustrating to play against but its fair enough if you’re good at it.

    RVP is the other one who will make sure he gets penalties, but again would not dive intentionally. more that he heads towards the keeper, commits him and then goes over his hands. I can actually accept this as part of the game even though I dont like it.
    but we have never had a serial diver in my memory, until Eboue. If eboue cut out the diving tomorrow, he would get my full support but we are talking 3 or 4 theatrical falls/injury feigns in every match and its ridiculous.

  34. Regulator – you’re spot on, Sagna is the bees knees… another wenger master stroke. He just seems to be getting better & better. The defensive side of his game needs improving, but going forward he’s brill.

    The Eboue talk is getting a little tedious – he needs toughening up, his antics have a tendancy to disrupt Arsenal’s momentum, and he’s not the most consistent player, but when he plays well he’s ‘f’ing ace.

  35. Just to defend myself then, as I was the one that aimed the attack on Eboue today – as I mentioned in my post, I’ve been a very vocal supporter of Eboue, along with Flint. I’ve openly disagreed with Gazzap who doesn’t rate Eboue. So I said today, that I’ve had to eat some humble pie, because when I say I rate a player, if I find myself to be incorrect, I come on here and say fair play, I was wrong. After going to Villa, I felt let down by Eboue, I’m embarrassed that I’ve been supporting the guy, because he went about proving his doubters right. Do I believe in the guy’s talent, 100%, and I’ve always known he’s an odd guy, but when that turns into letting his team mates down, it becomes a problem.

    Maybe I’m being harsh by saying he didn’t try, you’d have to hope it’s more complex by that. He’s obviously a very complex individual. All I can say is that it manifested itself in him being rooted to the ground, he couldn’t run, and he couldn’t kick the ball. It was as if his brain had completely frozen. Many an Arsenal player has had a crisis of confidence before, and Kolo Toure had one a good few years ago at Villa Park himself, it ended in him scoring an own goal and it was a big moment in our season. With Eboue, from everything you hear he seems to be an extremely confident individual, so when you see he’s died a death, you presume it’s a lack of will rather than a personal crisis.

    Was he tired? – he shouldn’t have been, did he feel tired, possibly so. I saw him bent over after he made his only run of the second half, I couldn’t believe my eyes. He’s a guy that convinces himself he’s hurt when he’s not, he gets up and sprints away, and he’s a guy that convinces himself he’s tired when he shouldn’t be.

    Is there some racism with fans Shotta?, yes a little bit I think. But barking up the wrong tree with myself, I firmly believe in Eboue’s talent, no-one wants him to fulfil his potential more than me, but I am absolutely certain that he has some real problems. I don’t think we’ve heard the real story behind that guy, I think there’s a lot more going on behind the scenes with him than we know about. How many other players have been out for 3 or 4 weeks with injuries that no-one knows anything about. I don’t believe they’ve all been genuine, I think he’s been left out of the team for reasons yet unknown.

    Right now, I have absolutely no idea what sort of performance we’re going to get out of Eboue. Should he be playing against Newcastle Flint?, absolutely, we’re short at the moment, but will he, I don’t think so. Here’s my guess, he won’t be in the squad for Newcastle and it’ll be put down to a mystery injury. Either way, lets hope he plays and is the same Eboue that looked too good for Seville.

  36. Interesting point about the mysterious injuries, hboy. There’s been a couple at Arsenal, and I’m not talking about Jens’, which wasn’t very mysterious really. It could be just paranoia but who knows. Maybe it’s a bit of exaggerating real injuries when Arsène thinks a player can do with a longer rest, mental and physical, or when he prefers to keep giving the player replacing the one who was injured a longer run in the team, or similar reasons.

    Rev, do you think Sagna’s defensive game has shown any serious flaws? I think he’s quite solid both offensively and defensively. Don’t remember him making any serious mistake.

  37. I am astounded.

    Astounded that anyone can fail to see the contribution of Eboue over the last few games; I am his biggest critic – he is a devious diving, whinging tw@t. But as someone else alluded above – he brings terrific solidity and also guile to the right side that no one else in the squad does. He is now adding a bit of consistency and seems to putting his foot in a bit more as well. For this I forgive him being a tw@t.

    We DO NOT have to love EVERY member of the squad – only the whole, only the football, only the idea of Arsenal.

    I am astounded that a single human being with a modicum of intelligence could suggest Hleb needed selling last season – sheesh. The guy was terrific, absolutely terrific until we got knocked out of both tournaments in a week and the whole team took a nose dive.

    Take a look at the famous Timesonline season stats for last year, Hleb was the tenth best rated player in the league. Take a look at them this season and I will wager they are not significantly improved – only peoples perceptions are improved.

    Hleb is one of those players who doesn’t do the spectacular so doesn’t attract the plaudits. Take Cesc he has added goals to his game and is being hailed as one of the best in Europe all of a sudden – he is not playing significantly better than last season but now he is scoring goals. If Hleb belted ten or fifteen goals in from twenty yards like Cesc looks likely to this season – you would see Hleb rated one of the best players in Europe.

    That my friends is a sad freaking indictment of the football watching media and public. Hleb IS one of the best players in the league and in Europe, and wasn’t far off last season either. That he needs to be part of a winning team for anyone to notice that breaks this Arsenal supporters heart.

    I am sorry if this post is a little condescending or patronising in tone, it is not intended so – more that it is written out of sheer disbelief.

  38. Oh and on the race issue.

    Racism is endemic in every society, it is a sad reflection on human behaviour but is unlikely to ever be entirely wiped out — this is not to say we shouldn’t try.

    I have only been to six games this season, mostly away, and have heard racist and particularly anti semitic abuse at each – particularly towards Benyoun at Liverpool.

    When I feel safe I tell the perpertrators to fuck of and watch Chelsea, mostly though I don’t feel safe.

    My next game is Tottenham, and I know what to expect.

  39. Is Fabregas available for the Newcastle game? It’s very important he plays since Hleb won’t be.
    Eboue’s antics will invariabely work against him if not checked. Please believe that AW will check him on it the moment it leads to something serious in a game (aka Jens Lehmann). So far, so good.

    We must defeat Fat Sam on Wed.

  40. I am so happy that Hleb is now being recognised as a fantastic player by Arsenal supporters. From the first time I saw him play I saw he was different, a special player indeed. i remember his close control and fantastic display in the Real Madrid match at the Bernabeu for example. How could anyone say he was crap after games like that? They guy deserved much more patience than it was being given to him. Thankfully he scored that couple of crucial late goals early this season and had a couple of amazing performances too. After that, fans started to look in a much fairer way at his game, and realized he was ace.

  41. Aman: Wenger said there wasn’t a big chance of Cesc playing on wednesday.

    Would it be safe to rest him until the Chelsea game if he’s not fit for Newcastle? Boro away doesn’t look so hard with a midfield of, say, Theo, Diarra, Flamster and Rosicky, and the CL game should be played with a League Cup squad.

  42. I’ve a bad feeling about Weds game. We’re cruising, they’re losing and Fat Sam rumoured to be sacked. All the ingredients for an upset
    Cheer me up

  43. Stanley there are many of us who have noticed that Eboue is beginning to really grow into his new role. He has certainly got the ability to become a very important member of the team and i think given a little bit more experience playing on the wing we will have long forgotten about Freddie. By all accounts he is very popular with the other players who say he is really funny, albeit in a very eccentric way. I am very annoyed the r word has reared its ugly head on our top blog, its got nothing to do with that only the players obvious cheating ie diving and remonstrating.

  44. YW

    Always attacking Jens and seeing nothing good of him. Suddenly Jens is the fall guy, just because he made two mistakes and Arsenal didn’t lose though. Almunia has made several mistakes and yet you don’t see anything wrong and describes Almunia’s performances as ‘decent’ and sterling. Well I’m not Arsene but Jens is by far the better goalkeeper; he can save the ‘unsual’ shots whilst Almunia’s saves are not out of the ordinary.

    For Almunia any shot at his near post or near him gets in; can’t save any spectacular and points earning shots. We’re winning so you don’t see his inabilities; I’m just praying that we don’t suffer any misfortune with him in the post.

  45. Get off Eboue’s back! What other options were there? 45% of our play was down the right flank, both our goals came from the right flank!…I’m more worried about the defensively inept Walcott.

    I also prefer Denilson to Diarra as he has a higher workrate and a more creative pass…..Diarra had an ok game but he gave far too much possession away and was too slow in his ball distibution…Denilson or Gilberto with Flamini against Newcastle I hope.

  46. astaman

    Rather Denilson is slower and has not been on top of his game since CC match with Newcastle. Diarra is better of the team in my opinion.

  47. Wow Howard, for one whole post you’ve dragged yourself away from the tired keeper debate…be careful some people might think you’re an ostrich burying your head in the sand.

    Take affirmative action, get back on it before people forget what side of the argument you stand!

  48. Howard

    Try re-reading the post before automatically assuming that it is critical of Lehmann. Well, OK, it is but of his attitude. It is indefensible; the personal attacks on Almunia, on Wenger, petulance. Hardly helping win people around, is it?

    Why do you obsess with the near post and things out of the ordinary? What you want from a ‘keeper is consistency – he is getting it from Almunia. As I have stated often in the past, I don’t believe he is the long term solution but right now, he has been more consistent that Lehmann this season.

    And more to the point, it is not just mistakes this season that have cost him. He is not invunerable; indeed if Almunia is troubled by near post shots, Lehmann is equally troubled at set plays. His weakness is specifically targeted by opponents and can be costly.

    I will praise Almunia when he does well; I will chastise when he is at fault. You on the other hand do not do so. All that happens is that you go quiet when Almunia has a decent game but the volume increases when you think otherwise. You might find people don’t disagree with your viewpoint if you were fair in your assessment.

    YW

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  50. We’re so disappointed with Eboue’s diving and faking precisely because he’s such a talented player who doesn’t need those stupid antics! With such pace and skill at that young age, he can easily do his own work in getting past people, beating opponents, etc. We support all Arsenal players and that’s why we keep hoping he’ll cut that out from his game.

    And to be honest, that’s the difference between us and Man U fans who don’t say a word about Ronaldo’s acting on the pitch.

    Hboy, I’m not surprised about Eboue’s perceived lack of effort as it’s not like the first time he seemed lazy on the pitch. But I do hope, like other posters pointed out above, it’s down to fatigue – though Kolo who played more/same amount of games will never do that.

    Yes Lehmann is Der Sulk… He’s always been a loner in the team but that’s fine as long as he performs professionally. Now matter how much misery he’s putting up with, this behaviour of skipping the half-time talk, is just unacceptable. Again, it’s even more disappointing when he’s such an experienced and capable player who’d have a much better chance of winning his place back had he been more of a team player.

    I agree with YW. It’s Arsene’s tremendous work and the team’ great morale that’s put us in this favourable position in all competitions we’re in this season. Look at these resilitent performances, late goals, team huddle, Gallas’ fighter’s spirit, Cesc/Hleb/Flamini/Kolo’s never-give-up attitude, everyone else’s response, everything. These guys have put in great great effort to earn it and get us where we are right now. We don’t want, and can’t afford, to have someone like Lehmann or Eboue derail us. Eboue’s not yet a threat to the team spirit, just an odd man out who can’t seem to give 100% sometimes. But Lehmann, for all he’s achieved for the club, is letting himself down and depriving himself of a second chance, it seems.

  51. YW

    Touche’

  52. On the racism note, reading what everyone said above, I really got absolutely no idea where that idea came from. There’s nothing that hinted any potential prejudice against Eboue because of his race.

    This blog has been a decent forum and it’s really nice to see more rational debates here than in some other places. Let’s keep it that way.

    Arsenal.com ran a series in the Black History Month just a few weeks back. On Arsenal TV Online there’re some interviews with former players including Paul Davis, who said he didn’t encounter any major racist issues with Arsenal fans who’re very supportive of him, while he suffered lots of abuse in away games especially up north, when African players were still a rarity in the league.

    That tells you Arsenal’s a multicultural club where fans were among the first to embrace the idea of having players of different races playing for their club with pride and respect. Wenger took that even further and in his era our team’s been really blessed with talents from all over the world.

    Which brings me to say one more time that the recent attempts in using Arsenal/Arsene as the scapegoat for England’s lack of achievement and pathetic failure in qualifying for Euro 2008 are, well, pathetic. If you call the quota system in other industries protectionist, why’s football any different?

    It’s very well put by Arsene not long ago, “one of the beautiful things in sport is being able to say: ‘Why shouldn’t a kid who is passionate and talented – and born in Zimbabwe – have the chance to play with the best footballers in the world?’ It would be an injustice.”

    Don’t know about the minority group of racist fans that might exist in any club. I strongly believe most of us here are with Arsene on that.

    It’s wide off the mark to suggest that our criticism for Eboue got anything to do with his race. Nothing “non-footballing” here – for a player’s attitude/integrity/respect for the game is one of the “footballing reasons” for his getting praises/criticisms from us fans.

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  54. Theres a bit of noise about Eboue, while its true hes not the greatest at RM, i didnt notice him being anything less than average. But if it is the case, then it would be nice to get a versatile player who can play on either wing, as the LM position cover isnt great either – Diaby (whos not a winger), Walcott (who hasnt impressed on the left), Eduardo (who also hasnt impressed on the left). Walcott is decent on the right, but Wenger is playing him on the left these days, I suspect for the same reason he’s playing eduardo on the left – get them used to tight areas and all that.

    But cover would be nice.


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