Reading 1 – 3 Arsenal
0 – 1 Flamini (44)
0 – 2 Adebayor (51)
0 – 3 Hleb (77)
1 – 3 Shorey (86)
Only three? With one forward? Good grief. And to think that there was an outpouring of gnawing of fingernails when Arsene announced a team with a 4-4-1-1 formation. For the first time this season, there was real pressure on the team going into a match, requiring a certain margin of victory to return to the top.
It was comprehensively achieved and Arsenal are back at the top yet the feeling remains that the team played within themselves. This morning’s media make the yellow card received by Fabregas out to be a negative but he misses Wigan at home, which is infinitely more preferable to him missing any of the games immediately after that.
The manner of scoring goals is almost predictable this season, leaving you to ponder if managers and players actually take note of any scouting reports they may receive. The truth is that Arsenal are just very difficult to defend against; almost requiring a change of attitude at the set piece to leave as much cover at the back as attacking force. Whatever the solution is, Reading were the latest victims, unable to prevent the opening goal. Almunia started the move, releasing the ball quickly and in the blink of an eye, it had travelled to the Reading area before Alex Hleb squared for Flamini to add a simple finish. It was no less than Arsenal deserved, a lead that could have been taken earlier had Adebayor’s shot been a couple of inches inside the post rather than striking the upright.
If the hosts thought they could frustrate Arsenal and nick an equaliser in the second half, that plan went out of the window quickly when Adebayor extended the lead early on. Rosicky cut the ball firmly into Fabregas whose lay-off enabled the Togolese international to place the ball past Hahnemann. If Adebayor thought it was going to be his night to get back into the scoring groove, he was wrong as the Assistant Referee unfathomably disallowed a goal minutes later, proving that even the officials do not understand the offside law.
The third was inevitable and Alex Hleb’s twinkle toes danced through the Reading defence stumbled around Hahnemann and drove the ball home between two defenders on the line. 3 – 0, the contest long over and changes were rung by Arsene within minutes, presumably to protect those players who had worked hard to establish the unassailable lead.
The Reading goal is a grudging consolation given. Perhaps Long deserved it for a thumping header that came back off the post but the feeling is that the ball should have been cleared and begs the question as to where Shorey’s marker was, given that he had a simple finish.
Three points was the objective, it was achieved and more of the critics’ questions were answered. The bookies still have United down as favourites, which works in Arsene’s favour, stopping overconfidence from growing but you have to wonder what this team has to do to be taken seriously as title challengers?
It proved a good day off the pitch as well with the Club getting their own way and Michel Platini got his first real taste of how little power the President of UEFA really has with his plan for Cup Winners to go into the Champions League going out of the window. You have to give his organisation marks out of ten for inviting honesty though for in a questionnaire sent out via email, one of the questions asked the respondent to choose the ‘top three words that come to mind when thinking of UEFA as an organisation’. The list includes the usual platitudes of ‘Leader’, ‘Ethical’, ‘Visionary’ but also ‘Aloof’, ‘Uncaring’, ‘Amateur’, ‘Unethical’ and my own personal favourite, ‘Myopic’. ‘You want the truth? You can’t handle the truth’….
’til Tomorrow.























Smart move by Fabregas getting the yellow – slightly more subtle that Beckham’s of a few years back. Annoying conceding the goal though – have a feeling it’s going to be very tight come April.
By: N5 2HA on November 13, 2007
at 7:39 am
Fabregas yellow made me chuckle. The ref seemed unwilling to card anyone so Fab went dancing with the Reading sub in a desperate effort to get his booking. Did you see him smile when asked about it afterwards?
Also did anyone notice their goal was another Gallas unintentional assist? It came off his arse straight to Shorey!
By: steww on November 13, 2007
at 8:02 am
Some sublime passing! Some overdone passing! Reading were strange in their willingness to relinquish home advantage and put in a display devoid of any attacking belief. Maybe that is fair enough. I still do not appreciate one up top, we are so dominate but in the first half Ade needed help. Our silky midfielders surely deserve more options despite another tireless Ade performance. RVP is due to return but two draws against the top 4 was a missed opportunity to put some real fire into this title challenge.
By: Danny on November 13, 2007
at 8:18 am
Yogi, re the offside call, I’m not sure that the officials don’t understand the rule, it’s more that our movement was so lightning fast the linesman was not in line with play to actually call it. It certainly would have looked offside from where he was, although clearly it wasn’t.
Danny, I take your point but clearly Wenger thinks that Walcott, Eduardo and Bendtner are not quite ready for high pressure games like ‘Pool and MU. Considering we’ve been without RVP, I’d say we’re not doing so badly. If Wenger had gone ‘gung ho’ for victory and we had lost any of those matches, that would have been worse.
By: Passenal on November 13, 2007
at 8:27 am
I really enjoyed Ade’s finished. The worrying thing is he seems to need a lot of chances before scoring.
But it was a really professional performance.
“wonder what this team has to do to be taken seriously as title challengers?”
even i was wondering. maybe beating chelski in december will help. But atleast people have stopped using that irritating line “You have not played anybody yet”.
As usual it was a good read blogger.
By: vins on November 13, 2007
at 8:38 am
Passenal, I do tend to agree with the point, it seems as yet the boss is not supremely confident in his young charges. We have not seen this begrudging respect for our rivals before, but as he has done the same against Reading we must conclude it is based on our own personnel and not that of our opposition. Whether that be doubts about our other front men or his fondness for Eboue on the right side is unclear. What is clear, is on the pitch we are dominating, two up top may cash in on that fact!
By: Danny on November 13, 2007
at 8:41 am
Presumably Arsene was saving Eduardo for the Croatia v England game!
By the way with all the stick we give Eboue, we should give credit to him for some extraordinary moves last night including one flicked pass when surrounded by Reading player that defies belief. Hleb was also on virtuoso form in the second half – I’m sure he did a couple of 360’s on the ball.
By: Big Johan on November 13, 2007
at 9:01 am
Good performance. Good win. Expected as it was it was still good to see the players do a professional job and not get too slack and take it for granted. Although i was annoyed we left in a goal, that was due to sloppy play after the game was in the bag. Cut that out of the game and ill be a lot happier. Cesc getting himself booked was classic
Worth a mention too – 1001 premiership goals scored. 27 unbeaten in all comps.
Where was Esuardo however ? He would have scored a few last night….
By: DeiseGooner on November 13, 2007
at 9:09 am
Well we all got it wrong with the team selection yesterday, or perhaps, the manager got it wrong. I’m in no doubt which. This is no way to win the Premier League. We can pat ourselves on the back and be cheery after what turned out to be the simplest of victories, but this could so easily have been a calamity. Let’s get it straight, we have a team of the most sublime talent, we should be able to blow away most teams. That sublime talent was turned into a team of virtual no-hopers in that first half last night. This is what happens when you play one up front, you have the one up front playing as a winger because he’s trying to get hold of the ball, you have Cesc playing at centre back so he can get the ball in space, you have Toure playing attacking midfielder because he knows something needs to happen, you have Hleb playing like Flamini making simple passes, because there’s no-one in front of him to pass to. REDICULOUS! The team selection was a farce. And what’s more, it was BORING. I saw Kenny Sansom on Sky this morning talking about our brilliant attacking football, and the Premiership has never seen anything like it. I’m telling you this, if you were a Man Utd fan you’d be kicking down the television, they’re playing three up front, we’re playing five in midfield. It’s extremely negative, to win the Premier League you have to take an attacking gamble, we need wins. 4-4-1-1 will be great for away trips in Europe, not for away to Reading! You might slate me for being negative after an easy win, but believe you me, if we think that is good enough we’re going to be given a wake up call very soon. This was exactly the sort of performance that has been our downfall over the last few years, WAY TOO MUCH POSSESSION, no one getting in the box, no chances being created. You combine that with the opposition taking a chance from a set-piece and you end up with a hopeless team defending a lead, and an unimaginable horror of a result. We’ve seen countless versions of that scenario over the last couple of years.
You can say Reading were negative, but I thought with our formation, we were just as negative. Reading didn’t get a chance to have the ball, when they did, they poured forward, this wasn’t a negative team we were playing, this was a match we were killing.
By: hboy on November 13, 2007
at 9:11 am
Whilst I also expected 2 up front, you have to say the ‘proof of the pudding’ was we scored 3 & one gets the feeling that, if they had really put themselves out, could have at least doubled that.
I wouldn’t call Flamini’s goal a ’simple finish’, YW.
He won that ball on the half way line & in a flash was in the box to get on the end of the move.
I thought Ade was brilliant last night, it should have been Cesc giving him the ‘bubbly’.
Disappointed to let a soft goal in at the end.
By: Flint McCullough on November 13, 2007
at 9:22 am
Big Johan,
Afraid I can’t agree with you on Eboue last night. In credit to him, he is more likely to be direct and drive into positions to shoot or cross and amongst a host of players whose first instinct is to over elaborate, this is an admirable quality. However, last night he was again at times wasteful and not agressive enough. If he is going to play right midfield, we do not just want to see him two yards in front of the right back every time we attack but being prepared to kick on.
On the counter attack he is capable of the odd lung busting run even if his final ball often dissapoints, but it is when teams are camped out in front of their own area that he at times pales into a right back, instead of a cutting edge player.
Think Wenger appreciates his simple qualities and maybe in some way the extra protection he offers in a team full of attacking gems is reminiscent of a time when the Romford Pele held his place in Wenger’s side, but for me Ray was a far better player in midfield, maybe not at right back but in the engine room there is no comparison.
By: Danny on November 13, 2007
at 9:28 am
I think you ignore the pattern of an awful lot of these games, Hboy.
The first half is often a battle like that for all the top 4 sides. I would agree we started shakily (although we nearly went ahead after 3 mins) but that could have happened with any formation.
We grew into the game & a win by 2x the margin would not have flattered us in the end.
I think you are expecting too much.
By: Flint McCullough on November 13, 2007
at 9:31 am
Don’t get me wrong – Eboue is still one of the weaker links – but i think his recent improvement has been overlooked by those keen to bury him. Funnily enough i think his tracking back is the least satisfactory aspect of his midfield play – he seems to assume that once he is in midfield he can forget defence (noticeable in the Man U game that just before he was subbed he let several Man U attacks go past him – unfortunately replaced by Walcott who was even less diligent!). Dear old Razor for all his heart, didnt come close to Eboue’s ball skills – Flamini is the closer comparison ( but needs to work on the long range shooting!)
By: Big Johan on November 13, 2007
at 9:36 am
Hboy,
A little over dramatic, with Van Persie soon to return but in essence I tend to agree.
Flint,
Scoring three last night is not clinical proof that we may not at some time come unstuck if we continue with this formation. Of course, I expect Wenger to pre-empt this and make the change before this occurs.
My major problem with it, is that it causes Ade no end of difficulties. He comes short or goes wide, using his powerful running and suddenly we have no goal threat. So in the end, that work goes unrewarded. He also gets caught up playing for the team, back to goal, playing cheeky one twos and just plain over elaborating. With his tail up, he became much more decisive but he deserves a partner to reward him for his efforts and keep him on the goal trail.
Whoever earlier criticised his finishing, needs to sort themselves out! Last night his finishing was not an issue!
By: Danny on November 13, 2007
at 9:37 am
On the first half,
We were excellent for the first twenty minutes before the tempo dropped and our play became indecisive.
Not poor mind, possibly a little confused by Reading parking the whole of their home support in front of their goal.
By: Danny on November 13, 2007
at 9:40 am
I am getting seriousle fed up with the poor ability displayedof linesmen this season. Hardly a match goes by without a wrong decision being made on a potentially crucial move. Given that wrong calls often punish those players who make the quickest, tightest, most skilful moves, it is good football that is being punished. Defences are tight enough as it is without linesmen assisting negative approaches to the game. The law IS clear enough, benefit of the doubt to forwards. We want good football, not duff law enforcement. It’s not just us, it’s all teams that can play who are being punished.
Can NOTHING be done?
By: Consolsbob on November 13, 2007
at 9:42 am
“Wonder what this team have to do to be taken seriously as title challengers?”.
That thought used to cross my mind too, but it doesn’t anymore.
Instead, I wonder what the professional commentators, experts & pundits have to do to get me to take them seriously, as opposed to believing that they are simply there to take up air
time and/or column inches in newspapers & magazines.
I really hope that, one day, the above specialists can substantially raise their game, as football lovers in this country deserve much better but, until then, I’m simply not going to allow their output to determine or influence what and how I think about the game generally and Arsenal in particular.
By: Magneto on November 13, 2007
at 9:45 am
Well said hboy. Great manager, talented team, attractive football but will the system and talent on show take us to the point where we are bracketed with AC Milan, Barcelona, Real Madrid and (gulp) Man. U. Last night’s football macrame lasted 45 minutes until we finally realised that maybe we should play with more pace and direction. I think Ferguson would have pushed his team on after 45 seconds. I really don’t want to appear curmudgeonly but to complete this team it’s obvious we should’ve had a top line goalkeeper from the start of the season. Additionally we are not a nursery school for Walcott we need pace on the flanks NOW coupled with strengthening our attacking options. To compete at the highest level any great team needs the best players. I don’t believe its in the managers ethos to adopt this approach and therefore we we will remain tantilisingly close to becoming a great side but frustratingly falling short.
By: Victor Meldrew on November 13, 2007
at 9:57 am
Why does everyone seem to think United are at a higher level than us? Too many media pills have been swallowed. They all go on about how United are free-scoring but who is top of the pile on goals scored?
There are limitations to both us and them; it’s about who deals with them best over the course of the season and it is about time that the unsung players at Arsenal were given full praise rather than being damned by the faint variety.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on November 13, 2007
at 10:06 am
Magneto,
Top point!
By: Danny on November 13, 2007
at 10:10 am
Am I missing a point somewhere?
I think we are top of the league because we have scored more goals, in 1 less game, than Manchester Utd.
We have just won an away game comfortably, well within ourselves in the 2nd half.
You have to respect the opposition. Going ‘gunge ho’ may work sometimes but not always.
By: Flint McCullough on November 13, 2007
at 10:11 am
Yogi,
Full praise will often lead to complacency. Either way, I’m not sure it matters for us. Praise will be cheap, what will matter is trophies.
The only thing that does concern me, is that the media build up the United hype machine and lesser teams become intimidated before kick-off.
I still feel our last three performances have been a bit inhibited, but then you could also say we have a gear to go to!
By: Danny on November 13, 2007
at 10:16 am
Flint
You are missing the point.
No one is slitting their wrists here. Just some constructive criticism.
Because we totally believe in our football, I simply would like to see Wenger stick to his footballing roots and play two up top. In past generations we have been able to dominate possession and have the cutting edge of two front men.
At times yesterday, we failed to create enough chances. I do not like to compare but United for example may have had the ball 20 minutes less overall but created as many chances.
Just need to be careful, we started the season very direct with goals in mind and the absence of Van Persie has brought us closer to last season’s style.
By: Danny on November 13, 2007
at 10:23 am
Danny RVP will be back for the next game and I noow feel his patnership with Ade will bring good results as Ades distribution is excellent anfd he hold the line together which TH didnt.
Unfortunately Theo has not panned out as a winger or striker he seems to have gone backwards in the last few games. and EDS has not just got up to spped. I feel Bentnder should be given prfeference over Theo when we bring on substitutes.
Jaskalainen is out of contract in August and we should try and get him cheaply in January window, he is very experienced and has 5 good years left in him
By: solgooner on November 13, 2007
at 10:30 am
Well you chaps know your stats.
The simplest one is:
Arsenal 27 goals in 12 games= 1 goal every 40mins
MU 23 goals in 13 games= 1 goal every 50mins
I make that you have to wait 10 minutes more for every M U goal regardless of possession.
This can change of course but that is why we love football.
By: Flint McCullough on November 13, 2007
at 10:43 am
I don’t believe what I’m reading here. I really think some people should take a step back so they can get a better perspective.
hboy you mentioned that manu fans would have been kicking their tvs in. Probably in the same way when their team failed to score against Reading at OT?
It is really hard to understand where you guys are coming from with all the criticism.
By: Unattractive Man on November 13, 2007
at 10:46 am
Flint save the sarcasm,
This is not a battle of egos. All we are saying is we have been less effective since we went to one up top.
That our sublime football could have been rewarded with more chances and more goals in the last few games.
We know Van Persie is out, but would prefer to have seen him replaced.
Hboy’s criticism of our first half is over the top. United often look toothless, but if they had our level of possession they would have created more than one shooting chance.
It is only constructive, we do not have to be in raptures every living moment.
By: Danny on November 13, 2007
at 11:08 am
It was dissapointing to concede a goal so late but we achieved our objective in going back to the top, with a game in hand.
I do agree that the 4-4-1-1 may be a bit negative but this season we are having players score from all over the park which can only be a good thing going forward. It was good to see Adebayor score and end his drought as well but what really pleased me was Flamini grabbing a goal. I think he had a great game and this will hopefully give him a boost.
Fabregas getting the yellow, great decision on his part but will hurt my dreamteam
By: dvotee on November 13, 2007
at 11:11 am
Thank you UM.
AW picks a side to win a game, not the side I would have chosen, wins the game comfortably.
The criticism here is of the ‘I know better than the manager’ kind.
Why can’t you lot just enjoy a good team?
By: Flint McCullough on November 13, 2007
at 11:21 am
Flint,
Get a grip, your argument wins.!!!!!
So eloquent.
We are all enjoying it. Wenger himself admitted after the Liverpool and United games that he felt to some extent he had made a mistake in picking the lone front man.
That Ade became isolated and our attacks a little toothless. This is not an assasination on Wenger, stop trying to make it so.
We are all in full support of his management, he himself is intelligent enough to agree a world without question marks is an under acheiving world. Why can you not see that criticism of the formation played is simply constructive.
Stop playing the nodding dog, it’s boring!
By: Danny on November 13, 2007
at 11:26 am
Wenger is just right with the team selection and he actually knows which player he is going to buy in January. I presume he will go for a Goalkeeper and a Winger cum Striker. I see Luka Modric and Ricardo Quaresma slotting in right away. Veloso is a Man U kid and will rather go to Manures…
wenger is likely to buy either of these goalkeeperes – Boruc / Akinifeev… as a cover or else he will end up with grooming Fabianski for the top spot as he has real confidence in him ( Giving him the Captain’s arm band says it all )
Wenger might cash in on Gilberto and Lehmann in January but i don’t see him selling off Rosicky..
Those who despise Arsenal are just Man U lovers and should be burried in a BOTTOM LESS GRAVE / PIT .
AS WENGER SAYS ”ARSENAL CONTROLS THE PREMIER LEAGUE”
By: ArsenalKenya on November 13, 2007
at 11:49 am
we all bloody love wenger but that does not put him above any questions. I was hugely surprised to see us play one up front, especially when I saw Reading were playing 9 at the back. tons of possession but for half an hour in the first half it was painful.
Massive credit must go to Flamini for making sure we scored when we did. I could just invisage 90 minutes of frustration.
I think Reading gave us way too much respect. They gave us very comortable possession until we got near their box. compare that with Slavia last week who did not let us have easy possession anywhere in the middle of the pitch. in effect slavia stopped the creativity at source whereas Reading were happier to play a last ditch game. but we only looked dangerous when Reading attacked. we could not break down their massed ranks.
I never thought I would be looking forward to the return of RVP so much. I cant wait to go back to 4-4-2.
I was literally swearing at the TV when I saw the EDS was not even on the bench. I would be well p*ssed off if I was him. he has done really well for us and has scored goals too. But it looks like Bendtner is closer to the team than any of the other strikers.
By: gazzap on November 13, 2007
at 11:54 am
I thought Helb’s goal was a suplime piece of skill if you watch the replay he pulls the ball back with his instep right infront of the keeper and then buries it. It’s like a 5-aside goal.
The team have lost their best striker Ade coasts first halfs so he is more dominant in the 2nd against tiring defenders.
Wenger is still blending key players in the team Eboue, Rosicky and a more direct Hleb he is using games to get their confidence in their roles up for the serious tests to come. Eduardo will be saved for home games for a while yet. There was no reason to play Walcott if he was facing a deep packed defence.
As for Man Utd I saw them at the CS and Emirates. Their forward line is full of players that can turn a game in an instant but generally they play with two holding midfield players, as a result they play on the break or rely on long balls. We however play more of a total game.
As for press coverage Ferguson was spitting his team was failing to receive the plaudits (if that’s his best squad how did they get beaten 2-0 at home by Coventry) similarly his comments about the crowd at the Emirates.
By: Vivb on November 13, 2007
at 11:57 am
Can we not just enjoy it for what it was? A stroll in the park. Arsene could have played a 4-1-1 and still won the match.
We we’re brilliant in patches last night. Clichy and Sagna must be the 2 most solid full backs in the game. Did any see Shorey try outrun Clichy in the second half? It was like a Fiat Punto racing a Ferrari! Hleb reminds me of DB10. Some of his touches on the ball where mesmeric. Although there is a slight tendancy in his game to play through Fabregas which is no bad thing once both are playing. Also a quick word on Diarra. I really like the look of him. He is never flustered in possession and by the looks of it, sadly, Gilbertos days may be numbered.
By: Dublgun on November 13, 2007
at 12:23 pm
Look, I prefer 4-4-2 as well but have you ever thought that 4-5-1 can be less predictable and thus more of problem to a massed defence. Who to mark etc. The formation is fluid anyway, so one becomes the other & visa verse.
My point is there is just too much expectation to blow decent teams away & whilst it is great to have an opinion, a lot of you assume them to be proven.
Who knows what would have happened if we had played 4-4-2 the last few games?
Good points, Vivb.
By: Flint McCullough on November 13, 2007
at 12:31 pm
Flint – As I’ve said many times, I love Wenger to death, but no-one is going to convince me the guy is a tactical genius, I won’t follow his every decision when it comes to team selection, I genuinely believe he makes mistakes. I’m not asking for his head on a stick, just saying come on Arsene, you can do better than that. 4-5-1 was clearly for me, the wrong way to go. Look, it’s very easy for anyone complaining today to look very silly, but what I don’t like, is people following the end-results and basing everything upon that. The result wasn’t the be-all-and-end-all of this match, for me, we got away with tactical stupidity. We had Reading with 11 men behind the ball, and us for 45-minutes with no-one up front. To me it looked like some sort of freak show, I’m not complaining about yesterday’s result, at the end of the day, great stuff, but I want this team to achieve it’s just deserts and that’s the title, I don’t want them to believe that yesterday’s performance will always bring the right result, because it won’t. For me, we had just as good a team last year, they were the same players and as Cesc keeps telling anyone who will listen, we played just as well last year, we just weren’t efficient in getting the result. It is vital that this team remembers that, it is vital that the manager remembers what went wrong last year in terms of not killing teams off, because we could easily slip back into bad habits, and for me, yesterday was a bad habit. Too much time on the ball, not enough men getting forward. We were lucky to get the breakthrough when we did last night, we were cruising for a very frustrating stalemate and that’s not good enough, we must be able to beat these teams if we want to win the title. You can’t win every game, I don’t expect the team to do so, but you must be willing to take risks, throw men forward and create chances.
Yogi – I’m the last person to back Man Utd, I think we’re better than them every day of the week, but we have to acknowledge what they are good at, and that is being an efficient Premier League game-winning machine. Their football is very direct and it’s good enough to beat crap teams, not good enough to beat top-quality, we’re the opposite, but we need to take on a bit of what they do if we want to win the league, we need to adapt a more basic style, and that sometimes means giving the opposition a chance with the football, but we must trust our defenders to cope with that. Man Utd had a poor start to the season so the goals-scored column doesn’t count for everything, we were way ahead of them on that front and they’ve now caught us. We need to make sure we maintain a direct, attacking style in the Premiership and keep creating chances.
By: hboy on November 13, 2007
at 12:36 pm
Dublgun,
Have enjoyed it! Just debating the merits of a 4-4-1-1 and which formations suits us best. It’s not a witch hunt.
Agree Hleb, just looks sensational at the moment. If defender’s wake up in a sweat at the thought of Ronaldo baring down on them, they must simply not wake up from their inescapable nightmare with Hleb with the ball at his feet.
His goal was sheer impudence, much like a cheeky Bergkamp in full control of the ball’s destiny.
Reckon Wenger whipped him off, to save him from a robust, frustrated no-ball, all-man tackle.
He must remeber to stay direct, using his ability to create chances not simply strolling the park as if exhibiting his art, but this is an area he has improved greatly.
You are also right about Diarra. He looks very strong in the tackle and absolutely refuses to be dispossessed and for a defensive midfielder looks really good technically.
By: Danny on November 13, 2007
at 12:39 pm
I am 100% with hboy and could not put it better myself. if we dont win the league, it wont be because we dont have good enough players, it will be down to wrong tactics on the day and the lack of reactivity during a game. I beleive we are better than Man u and I want us to show that every week and not be second in May. as I say, the return of RVP forces wenger back to 4-4-2 so I am happy about that.
By: gazzap on November 13, 2007
at 12:45 pm
Hboy,
I may disagree on the term “tactical stupidity” but your last sentence is 100% spot on.
After a good first twenty minutes, the tempo drifted yesterday and our passing became an aimless excercise. That indirectness may be cured by playing two front men, giving less options to sideways pass and more to hurt teams.
I also do not want to play like Manchester United but we do have to be at our direct best to win this title.
That means our amazing passing with moments of decisiveness that make chances. It is a mark of Wenger’s best teams that their football is beautiful whilst displaying killer instinct and making thousands of chances.
By: Danny on November 13, 2007
at 12:54 pm
Easy Gazzap!!!!
We will win the league!!
By: Danny on November 13, 2007
at 1:07 pm
Danny, your criticism is not constructive because it is all speculative. Last season we used a 4-4-2 formation and finished 4th, losing and drawing with teams that set out to defend like Reading did last night.
Now we’ve used a 4-4-1-1 formation and won 3-1, yet the moans continue. It makes no sense, do we have such short memories? I think that AW has just gone with his best team and asked them to be patient. With 9 men defending it would have made little difference if there was another striker.
Even when RVP does play he hardly supports Ade. And ee have never actually played a pure 4-4-2 this season, our style of play is all about movement and triangles. Anyone can support the striker as required.
I think many people fancy that they know loads about football and when it doesn’t go the way they think is right, then it must be wrong. Sometimes it is hard to accept that our most of our points and views stem from a position of absolute ignorance.
By: Unattractive Man on November 13, 2007
at 1:12 pm
Where does all this 4-4–2, 4-5-1 stuff come from?
Last night Reading played 9-0-1 and Arsenal played a rotating 2-2-6 for most of the game.
Opposition managers and players are beginning to wake up to the fact that Arsenal players do not play in set positions of formations. The only way Reading could deal with it last night was to pile players behind the ball and it worked for most of the first half. Once they conceded though it was all over.
Great result. Great confidence booster. Just what we need after a couple of PL draws.
By: Frank on November 13, 2007
at 1:34 pm
Unattractive man,
Any comment is always going to be speculatative. Let’s all pack up, say the team is playing great, do not look to improve or state what we think works better!
That’s constructive!
I actually have no moan against Wenger or the team. My moan is with those that insist that you are not allowed to question tactics or strategy.
That’s an intelligent theory!
My 4-4-2 shout is simply based on our best sides under Wenger and an overall feeling that Hleb plays slightly too deep or too wide, to not leave the front man too isolated.
Get over the fact we have a side to the argument, that’s a given and only healthy and simply argue your side.
Again that’s healthy.
I love Wenger, I’d name my unborn child Arsene if the missus would let me, but the even great man would be seriously disturbed if no one could question things.
By: Danny on November 13, 2007
at 1:41 pm
but last night in the first half the midfielders had nowhere to pass the ball because even Ade was going wide so the ball was going from side to side across the pitch time and again.
All that possession serves to do is push the opposition further and further back so they have more and more men behind the ball, making it impossible to score a goal.
Only when Reading had a chance to attack was there any space for us to attack on the counter – we scored 4 goals like that, one of which was disallowed.
the vast majority of our passing is not productive. the only thing it does is tire the opposition out. once we are 1-0 up, everything changes, it all becomes easy. keep the ball then as we want, thats what’s needed then. I was just worried at 0-0 how few times we were able to get at Reading’s goal because Cesc had noone to pass to. If ade did go central he would get crowded out by 3 or 4 defenders who didn’t have anyone else to mark. the same thing happened at Liverpool and United where were dropped 4 points. you need a second striker to give the defenders something to think about.
yesterdays first half was a bit like last season and it should act as a warning.
By: gazzap on November 13, 2007
at 1:48 pm
Q: Would we have beaten Man U if RVP had played, in the preferred 4-4-2?
By: Aman on November 13, 2007
at 2:25 pm
I believe so.
Good question!
Of course he was not available, so the answer becomes less clear.
By: Danny on November 13, 2007
at 2:34 pm
My A: Probably, but more because of RvP’s talent & form than formation. Truth is EDS, Bendtner & Walcott are just not there yet. None of them is truly up to par yet with RVP. It takes time and this to me is why AW elects not to play 4-4-2. Eboue has the necessary self confidence/ruggedness. That’s why he plays
By: Aman on November 13, 2007
at 2:34 pm
So does Diarra
By: Aman on November 13, 2007
at 2:36 pm
Aman,
I think I agree that is why Wenger currently goes with the formation.
I also agree that it is straight choice between two up top and Eboue playing.
Simply feel, Eduardo should have been given the chance. Players generally do not look up to speed if not given the opportunities to find match sharpness.
In reviewing Eduardo’s performances so far, he has at times looked excellent and at others off the pace.
The key point though is Ade and the team look more dangerous when he is partnered.
By: Danny on November 13, 2007
at 2:41 pm
maybe wenger simply wanted to give walcott a game since it was a local match for him so did not have space for EDS on the bench. having said that, when TW came on he went left wing NOT up front. EDS has also often played left wing. basically ever since RVP got injured, wenger seems to have favoured the 4-5-1 and is happy to use strikers as wingers.
By: gazzap on November 13, 2007
at 2:44 pm
VanP is back for the Wigan game aint he ? With a second player up top alongside Ade who likes to shoot/score more than look to pass we look a lot more dangerous. (Hleb is a creator more than a finisher, just look at Flamsters goal last night)
Id go with this team against Wigan
Almunia
Sagna Kolo Willy Clichy
Eboue Hleb Flamini Rosicky
VanP Ade
By: DeiseGooner on November 13, 2007
at 2:45 pm
i said yesterday at 3pm that it would be the same team as man utd / liv it was totally obvious , it has NOTHING to do with tactics and all about the players he has available, always picks his team like that. he doesn’t think bendtner/walcott/eds are up to it at the moment (which he probably isn’t wrong about) and once Robin is back there will be no more 4 5 1. my worry is if he doesn’t fancy those three what will happen if both RVP and ade get injured, and should we buy a forward he is happy to play. have to say my boy flamini was fabulous last night, he has certainly proved me very wrong.
By: dan on November 13, 2007
at 3:07 pm
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at 3:37 pm
you did dan. you are right wenger likes players and will choose the players he likes. he certainly likes Eboue but Eboue should be the one to make way when both cesc and RVP are ready.
I wonder if he isn’t playing EDS because he really thinks he isn’t up to it, or if he just wants to bed him in at the club before using him?
I can understand why wenger would not use Walcott or even bendtner but I cant understand why he is so scared to use Eduardo.
Given what we said about wengers favourites, deise’s team is probably not far away from the truth, but surely Diarra must come into the team? a good game to give him pitch time I would say.
I do think wenger knows his strongest team and it is this:
Almunia
Sagna Toure Gallas Clichy
Hleb Cesc Flamini Rosicky
VanP Ade
Bench: Walcott, Diarra, Gilberto, Eboue, Lehmann
no place for Bendtner or Eduardo. And players like Diaby and Denilson wont get a sniff.
Would anyone disagree with that?
I think Gilberto and Lehmann will be let go in Jan. Diarra and Djourou will cover the jobs Gilberto used to do. shame but you can hardly disagree if wenger does that. I dont really think we need any players in January, but I think wenger might be looking at Rosicky’s injuries and wanting extra left wing cover.
By: gazzap on November 13, 2007
at 4:22 pm
I was at the game last night – and discussed with those around me the fact that we played 4-5-1 a lot.
It became very apparent very quckly that it was going to be difficult to break reading down in the first half with this system – which was illustrated by the fact that the only 2 real chances we created – 1 being the goal – came when we injected a bit of pace into the game.
The second half was a different story – as the Reading players were clearly a little more tired.
It is very difficult for teams to keep up a defensive performance like they did for 90 mins – and sometimes you have to be patient.
At the same time – i also appreciate the argument that we could of started 4-4-2 with EDS playing.
At the end of the day – we won comfortably – played well within ourselves, are top of the league with RVP back soon.
I am more concerned about our fixtures for December – we have some tough games in Dec and over Xmas – and i really hope we are still there or thereabouts come the new year.
If we are – i may just start to believe.
By: Matt on November 13, 2007
at 4:35 pm
in jan he should get rid of lehman and gilberto, gilberto is standing in the way of diarra and diaby and is obviously behind flamini, i don’t think for what he is bringing to the team is worth holding back youngerr hungrier players. history of wenger has shown that he is likely to let him go. we do need cover for left midfield. as rosicky is injury prone and diaby just doesn’t cut it there.
By: dan on November 13, 2007
at 4:40 pm
I think Wenger is being cautious not to ‘lose’ games at the moment because he knows all too well how a loss can dent a young teams confidence. We all saw what a loss done to the invincibles – they were never the same team again…
There’s many a slip twixt cup and lip – we were playing a side who held Man Utd to a goalless DRAW, and we’d drawn a few in a row, so we were in desperate need of a steady, successful performance, and that’s what we got.
A defeat could potentially have been catastrophic at this point of the season. We’ve gone 27 games unbeaten, form like this wins things…
One thing is for sure, we’re missing RVP, but what team in the wouldn’t?
By: Rev on November 13, 2007
at 5:09 pm
Hboy,
I think the REDICULOUS thing is your post. Nothing more on that.
I think from what I read is there is nothing will please some of us not matter how the team performs. Last year we were playing teams of the park and we were losing nobody was happy. Now, we win alomst every game home & away and some of us still not happy.
To those who are not happy with the performance…..GET A LIFE.
Reading the posts here make you feel that Reading wiped the floor with our asses, to those….I recommend watching the game again. We had at least two more gears to go into if the game needed it…but we didn’t have to.
Eboue, on the right is still a lot better than Theo on the right…at least he keeps his opposite number checked, not like Theo giving the ball away all the time.
By: Gunner4Ever on November 13, 2007
at 5:13 pm
If anything the over reaction has come from the never question anything brigade. A few people prefer a different formation and we are revolutionists planning a military coup. We come here because it is an intelligent site, stop being alarmist. Regulars who predominantly post positive comments are being attacked for saying they like a 4-4-2 formation. No one is calling for anyone’s head and I am very happy with how we are doing. Opinions should be sought and discussed.
By: Danny on November 13, 2007
at 5:25 pm
Dan, what happens if Diarra, Fabregas & Diaby get injured & Gilberto’s gone?
Plus, we lose Toure in January, what happens if Senderos & Gallas pick up injuries?
Hopefully Djorou will be back but we’ll need Gilberto as cover.
The run in will be the ultimate test – we’ll need his experience then more than ever.
By: Rev on November 13, 2007
at 5:32 pm
If we want an engine-room right-mid what is wrong with Diarra??
By: crafty bison on November 13, 2007
at 5:35 pm
Gazzap why should Theo be given preference over
Bentdner, Bentdner has a big mouth and ego but hes more difficult to dispossess is better defensively, whereas Theo has gone backwards recently. Its a shame about Gilberto we may need him during ANC and should wait till summer. Diarra is definetly coming on strong whereas because of lack of playing time Diably and Denilson are stagnating. SURELY WE NEED A GOALKEEPER.JASKALINED WOULD BE FINE BY ME AND CHEAP AS HIS CONTRACT EXPIRES IN AUGUST
By: solgooner on November 13, 2007
at 5:47 pm
How anyone can say Coppell could be a potential England manager is crackers. He set out to infruriate Arsenal and go for the 0-0. (great site by the way)
By: Peter Evans on November 13, 2007
at 5:49 pm
Danny,
I do agree with you that opinions should be discussed freely, and I’m one who thinks a big team like Arsenal should play 4-4-2 but we don’t know all the details about the team and why Wenger played 4-5-1 against a team like Reading. Coppell himself said in some paper that Wenger fooled him last year by his tactics. I do like this blog because it’s a lot better than many others. I just don’t like to come out and say that everything about Arsenal in that game was Crap like Hboy is trying to say. There will always be some mistakes in a game, but you have to be positive about what you achieved of that game.
I’m sorry if offended any one, I just like to look at things positive way.
By: Gunner4Ever on November 13, 2007
at 6:28 pm
rev, you also need flamini to be injured as well. helb and rosicky can also play center midfield. the problem with gilberto is that he will be infront of diarra which is not neccessarily a good thing. wenger i am sure feels he needs to put gilberto infront of diarra ( last night aside) due to his experiance and standing at the club. ideally i agree that it would be great to keep him, but is it fair to him? he deserves to play first team football somewhere and what affect does it have on the other players chance of playing. overall i think certainly based on his last few appearances that it would be best for both parties if we sell him. (fee and saved wages would also be nice)
By: dan on November 13, 2007
at 6:54 pm
All said, Ade is still a problem. He should have scored 4 against Reading. His integrating passes were poor and seemed to frustrate the team in the first half. He should develop his own way of scoring goals instead of copying Henry which is not working for him.
Ade and Eboue needs to improve if we’re to pose a serious title contenders. Still we need a better GK.
By: Howard on November 13, 2007
at 7:16 pm
It would be surprising if we let Gilberto leave. He could be very important later in the season, particularly the longer we stay in the CL. There will hopefully a lot of games to play, involving all the squad, as the season progresses.
I still feel Gilberto can make an excellent CB, which we may need when Kolo is away.
As a Rose Tinted Nodding Dog all I would question is not what is being said, as much as the way it is being said.
It is all very well having theories but they are just that.
I just don’t think connecting AW with “stupidity” is the right way to go about it.
By: Flint McCullough on November 13, 2007
at 7:43 pm
Dave Kitson
“Adebayor plays up front on his own and he is almost like two strikers up there. When Barcelona came in for Henry, Wenger must have seen the fee, looked at Adebayor and thought it was Christmas. He had a player waiting there for his chance and the unbelievable thing is that he probably wouldn’t even have to spend the money.
Just looking at Adebayor as a technician and as a football player, that is what every striker should aspire to. He is very right footed but, when you are that good, you don’t need your left foot. He is 6ft 5in and you look at him and think: ‘How is he doing this?’ For his goal, the ball came at him at 100mph and he just cushioned it into the far corner”.
I thought Ade was man of the match last night & has plenty of time to improve even more.
By: Flint McCullough on November 13, 2007
at 7:53 pm
Wow, some good vigorous debate on here today…many of you have good points to make and I agree with both sides to an extent.
Howard, I also find the Togonator frustrating at times in regard to his finishing and lack of anticipation. However last night was not one of those times; he had one shot off a post, one goal, one good goal disallowed – thats three perfectly good efforts that on another night would have been three goals. A guy hits the post like that I think you’ve got to give him the benefit of the doubt!
Last night was the best of the Togonator for me and like Flint I think we have a lot more to come from him.
By: Stanley Kroenkie on November 13, 2007
at 9:25 pm
with Bert I just think neither he nor wenger wants him to play at centre back. I would even go so far as to say that IF senderos, Gallas or Djourou were injured and Toure was away he still would prefer Song to play there.
I could be wrong but the evidence of the CC shows that they want to play him in midfield despite there being several younger players who want that position at the club. Thats why I think if Bert is competing for that spot against Flam and Diarra then basically if we are being offered several million for him then we should take it. I love Gilberto to bits but there’s no room for sentimentality in football or business. next year Bert might get injured, he will certainly be another year older, so how much do you think we’ll be offered then? so many times I hear that we sold TH and PV a year too late. I think wenger might have learned his lesson – I think Gilberto will be sold IF a decent bid comes in.
I agree with Sol that jaaskelainen would be a good cheap buy in January in terms of him being better than Almunia and Lehmann. But I dont see it happening. I think almunia and Fabi might slog it out for the future. Does a title winning team change its goalkeeper in January? no it does not.
By: gazzap on November 13, 2007
at 9:40 pm
If someone says we need a new goalkeeper one more time i’m going to kill them.
By: James on November 13, 2007
at 10:05 pm
Flint,
If you actually check you’ll see I disconnected myself from any notion of “stupidity” on the bosses part. Simply attempted to discuss formations before you accused myself of acting as if I know better than the boss.
Frankly, this is a farcical comment, putting paid to any future discussions.
I agree with yourself on Ade, what a relief.
And we are all rose tinted, but not all nodding dogs and you regularly fit that variety.
By: Danny on November 13, 2007
at 10:35 pm
If Lehmann leaves in January and Almunia gets injured does anyone think Fabianski whos completely inexperienced can step in?
Its all fine now but if we have any kind of blip in December and Almunia makes mistakes like he has so far. we will all be screaming, he can prove himself against Chelski and Newcastle where there will be pressure. December holds the key to our title hopes. If we only drop 3 or 4 points by end December we will be in good shape.
By: solgooner on November 13, 2007
at 11:01 pm
HBoy is making one substantive point and i think he is right – yes, we got the right result on Monday. Good. But the approach taken reminds us of the approach taken last season. And if we slip back into that approach regularly then we are vulnerable. We will be less likely to get the result we need against weaker teams and will not stamp our authority on the premiership in the way that we know we can!
Result: V. Good.
Tactics: Disappointing.
By: King Pumpkin on November 14, 2007
at 9:03 am