Arsene is featured in this month’s FourFourTwo magazine’s ‘Readers Questions’ section, the supposedly juicy bits being his ruling himself out of the England job when it becomes vacant next summer. For me though, the interesting stuff is more Arsenal specific. In response to a question about players he missed out on, he again mentions Eto’o and Makelele. The next part of the answer is produced in full below,
I also let some players go who I knew would make a career, like Muamba, Steve Sidwell and Larsson, but in the end I had to make a choice whether they could play for me or not. Sometimes you’re too hard but most of the time it’s because the guy doesn’t have the necessary quality or motivation
In that context, it makes you wonder which one of the three Muamba had. At the time, I could understand Sidwell because of the quality of those ahead of him and Larsson had not convinced me about whether he could make the grade at Arsenal yet Muamba had ‘rave’ reviews at Birmingham during his loan spell, coupled with praise from Arsene. Is he going to be the one of the three that ‘got away’?
Elsewhere in the Q&A session, he goes into his ‘tease’ mode – ‘There is one record I’d like to break this season but I won’t talk to you about that now’ – perhaps wary of the ridicule that he got the season before The Invincibles for what seemed an optimistic claim about going unbeaten whilst the start to this season is of little or no surprise to him – ‘I expected us to start well…I felt in pre-season that they had solved the frustration of last year and had a kind of revenge in their heads’.
International Football is savaged in the main due to the number of countries that have sprung up which in his opinion is lowering standards – ‘You think it’s a level up but 99% of the time it’s a level down’ – and his one rule change is to prevent anyone other than the Captain speaking with the referee. This is one that the media tried to justify as a possibility earlier in the week, highlighting the fact that Barnet do this and are not doing too badly this season, sort of proving that it can work. The biggest problem such a change would face is not necessarily from the players but those officials who want to be seen as the ‘players mates’ although with the absence of Graham Poll this season, perhaps the biggest culprit is now missing so it could work.
The magazine is in the stores now I believe and worth a read. It also has an interesting article in it about fans that do not go to games, preferring to watch matches in the pub instead. It is a ‘problem’ for English football right now. One of the observations made is that outside of the ‘Big Four’, attendances at other clubs are struggling to keep pace. It is not simply a cost issue of getting into the ground with ticket prices, the ancillary costs of getting there are increasing as well, but as each generation comes, there is less of a habit of going.
Here is the bit where I sound like an ‘old fart’ but when I started going regularly, we had Match of the Day or The Big Match showing maybe four or five of the top flight games and that was your lot. To see your team in action, you generally had to go to the game. The cost of a matchday was less than a fiver. Granted that it is relative but beyond the top echelon of the game, i.e. the ‘Big Four’, the concern is that Premiership football is slowly killing itself through the broadcast deals.
It is a balance that the ‘Great and the Good’ are slowly losing every time a new broadcast deal is negotiated. The money is not filtering back to the ticket prices, which have risen disproportionately over the years. The time will come when half-empty stadia make the remaining sixteen teams unattractive to broadcast and the money received reduces. The question then becomes how the ‘Big Four’ react. Is there another breakaway looming a decade down the road. Personally, I think FIFA and UEFA are hastening the charge towards that by constantly provoking the clubs (and vice versa); a time for co-existence would not go amiss in that respect.
‘til Tomorrow.























Good read. I’m waiting for Four-Four-Two to hit the Aussie shelves soon…don’t often read it, as it’s usually dominated by Italian and Spanish football, which of course, as we all know, is ‘the best’ there is, right?
By: jammathon on November 9, 2007
at 7:39 am
Good article as usual, summed up by “Arsene knows”.
By: Bernard on November 9, 2007
at 7:42 am
And I recently cancelled my FFT subscription. Good article yogi.
BTW, I use google reader, and your font size has somehow increased to 36px in the last two articles.
By: Michael D on November 9, 2007
at 9:29 am
Michael
I’ve just checked it and you’re right, it is poor. Had a look and think I’ve fixed the problem. Let me know if it continues tomorrow.
Cheers
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on November 9, 2007
at 9:35 am
your bit about attendances at some of the smaller clubs is spot on. I hate tuning into MOTD on a saturday and seeing half the stadia, half empty. its sad to see. I also hate tuning into the main Sky games on a sunday to see the same thing. if those games were not on TV then more people would go.
But they wont show a sell out Arsenal (or man u etc) game at 3pm on Saturday for some spurious reason. If the game is already sold out (months in advance) then why not show it? if their reason is because it might affect attendances then they are talking crap beacuse of the numerous games that are on TV with empty grounds.
they could show EVERY single sold out game on a pay per view basis, thus bringing more money into the game without affecting crowds.
I also understand that the TV companies have to show all the clubs a number of times. But as I say, why not then only show the games those clubs are involved with that are sell outs? teams like Bolton may never sell out their own stadium, so they will just have to wait to play at Emirates, Old Trafford, Anfield, even WHL etc to be on TV.
the thing there for me is that Bolton / Middlesbrough/ Wigan fans (and others) dont need to see their team on TV. Every single one of them can easily buy a ticket for any match. they can turn up on the day and pay on the gate. so it does annoy me that they have games on TV as often as teams that sell out every week.
But then all of this is too much common sense for the people that run football.
By: gazzap on November 9, 2007
at 9:59 am
Great point about the ticket prices YW. Now that the clubs have got more TV revenue they will just spend it on mediocre players and sacked manager pay outs.
And now that every Tom, Roman and Randy wants to take a team to the top by hovering up all available players not matter the cost. And if this continues it will spell disaster for those clubs who don’t make it.
By: Unattractive Man on November 9, 2007
at 10:04 am
Question: Are the top clubs legally allowed to show their own sold out games on pay per view that are not already taken by Sky or Setanta??
I am guessing not, but if not then that is simply stupid.
does anyone know?
it would benefit Arsenal if they could do this. not simply for the extra income but because some of the silver members that come to every game might not then buy a ticket for every game, giving more of a chance for red members to buy the occasional ticket. It would be better if those fans had the ocassional chance to get to a premier league game.
As YW says, if those people never come then they never get into the habit of coming. then if the prawn sandwich brigade disappear due to a barron patch of whatever reason, we may not have a core support to call on for some of the more unattractive games.
By: gazzap on November 9, 2007
at 10:08 am
Good article, as usual YW.
Interesting observations regarding the ticket prices and half full stadiums. It’s definately something FA, FIFA and UEFA have to think about in the near future.
By: Samui on November 9, 2007
at 10:18 am
Nice read.
By: Ole Gunner on November 9, 2007
at 10:45 am
As a season ticket holder and away scheme member, I go to virtually all the games. Whilst I appreciate that nit everyone is fortunate enough as I am to go to the games, I get really annoyed when TV controls the game. Take Newcastle away, now on Wednesday night. That is just not fair on us that spend the money to travel and support the club, do they not realise how long it takes to drive from london to newcastle, and it requires taking time off work. And the prices remain high. I believe that if Sky move a game from a saturday then those going to the game should be compensated. The game should be about the fans also
By: Stu on November 9, 2007
at 10:56 am
some may say, well your average cambridge united fan for example, might prefer to sit in and watch man u on pay per view for £8 rather than go to the match. well I just dont buy that I’m afraid. if you are fan of a lower league club then you go to their games regardless of whats on TV.
If they are saying that it might persuade more people to support man u instead of cambridge, well again I have to say, that given the amount of football on TV already, I dont see how it would make it any worse. If someone prefers to be an armchair fan then that’s what they’ll be. you may as well take their money rather than miss out on a big demand.
I always had the impression that our lower league clubs generally had good attendances compared with other countries anyway.
most people have decided what club they’ll support by the age of 7 or 8. up to that age, children wont be buying pay per view games anyway! many children decide to support the in vogue club (man u) above their local club or the club their father supports. this has nothing to do with showing games at 3pm on a saturday.
I agree with not showing normal sky games on a sat at 3pm but surely only real fans are likely to pay the £8 to watch their team? they could ban pubs from showing the games too, just to be sure you dont get a load of lazy men gathering in the pubs at 3pm!
By: gazzap on November 9, 2007
at 11:13 am
Stu
In fairness to the TV companies, Newcastle away was rescheduled from a Tuesday night in August as a result of Arsenal having to qualify for the CL.
But you are right in principle. A sign of how much fiddling about TV companies do, apparently Setanta wanted to show Man U v Everton at 8pm on Christmas Eve. The fact that the rail network shuts down early that day had obviously not escaped them. The police, I believe, put the kibosh on that one but typically their input was a safety issue and no-one gives a ’stuff’ about the fans from the convenience point of view.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on November 9, 2007
at 11:19 am
gazzap
The broadcast deals ought to allow live transmission in the UK on Saturday afternoon but they won’t because the fear is that it will impact upon lower league teams as opposed to the top flight
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on November 9, 2007
at 11:33 am
there must be a way round that. such as only showing the games as pay per view on the clubs own TV channel. I mean what lower league fan is going to be a subscriber to Arsenal or Man U TV AND want to pay £8 to see a game? If they are then they must be quite a fan and therefore have every right to see the game. If the FA were allowed to take say half the profits from such games and maybe some of the money goes to the oppsition club as well then I bet they wouldn’t be so against it then.
By: gazzap on November 9, 2007
at 11:52 am
gazzap
If there was a will to do so, a way could be found. My guess is that Sky & Setanta would probably object because they don’t get the advertising revenues associated with a live broadcast if it is on a stand alone club channel, just the charge for the platform.
In time though, it will come because it will be the only way that the bigger clubs can satisfy demand. And that is when football’s problems will manifest themselves in respect of declining attendances over a period of time.
No doubt the PL will argue attendances are rising. Well, of course they are with United and Arsenal both increasing capacities. When Liverpool and Chelsea get new grounds, the increase will continue to mask the decline elsewhere.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on November 9, 2007
at 12:42 pm
Morning all from the grey of Toronto. I have been reading the posts and find myself coming to the conclusion that any additional coverage showing matches for the big teams would probably amount to individually agreed broadcasting contracts. As I understand the present state of the game, the TV contracts are collectively bargained with shared revenues to a certain level and then additional monies for the of times your team is shown on the box. This obviously heavily favours the “big four”, whilst ensuring that the smaller teams since get a very decent return even though they are less well followed. I know Manchester United looked at perhaps breaking off this agreement at one stage because they are fully aware that a global audience awaits them like no other team in the world and their rights would be worth more than anyone’s. I would have thought Arsenal likewise looked in to this, there audiences are definitely expanding but if this were to happen then their would be huge fall out in the league with many clubs even less able to compete financially than they are now.
I have to pay about $90 per month for my cable, I use to see at least 3 games per week if I so chose. Since Satanta came along that is down to one game and of course they basically show Manchester Utd every week.
An observation, I note that Arsenal shirts have started to appear on the streets of downtown Toronto over the summer… long may it continue, attractive football equals new fans
/wave
By: Toronto Gunner on November 9, 2007
at 1:07 pm
thats precisely why there should be a rule stating that only sold out games can be shown in this way. all the top clubs and many of the middle tier clubs sell out anyway. they could put a time limit on it such as 2 weeks before the game if it is not sold out then it cannot be shown.
I think the sold out sunday games that are not the main Sky 4pm game should all be at 1pm and available as pay per view. This way the advertising revenues for the 4pm game are unaffected.
my only concern would be that over the years, the average football fan might become more and more inclinded to subscribe to say Arsenal TV and watch all the games there rather than going to see their local team play. But as I said earlier, with the huge amounts of football on TV anyway I cant really see how that could be any worse than the current situation.
By: gazzap on November 9, 2007
at 1:08 pm
Sorry to deviate from the topic but does anyone noticed that Song plays just like Toure at the back( well,an upcomming Toure off course)?
By: annonymous777 on November 9, 2007
at 3:34 pm
Bad football equals poor gates, stupid managers who think not loosing is the most important thing are the bane of the game. It’s no suprise to me that Blackbrn and Bolton are about the emptiest of the grounds, they show rubbish, come out with things like ‘we battled hard for the point’ having not tried to kick/pass the ball all game and then wonder why there fans stay away. Alan Hansen got it so wrong when he said it was all about winning, it’s about entertaining and giving your fans hope and expectations. The chairmen of these teams see the TV revenue and know that they have the die hard fans and they budget accordingly, not caring about empty seats because it does not matter to them. This will not change until the TV bubble bursts.
I am definately not in favor of each team negociating their own TV deal as we would then have far too much of a 3 horse race each season, it would become like Scotland. But I do see a break away in Europe happening in the next 10 years though
By: Lancealittle on November 9, 2007
at 3:42 pm
I might be alone in this one – but i will always prefer going to the game than watching it on TV anyway – no matter who we play.
I also try to get to as many away games as possible.
Is this not just being a supporter of your club – irrespective of the quality on show?
I still had my season ticket and went to every game when we had David Hillier, Ian Selley and John Jensen in midfield.
I dont buy into the notion that some teams have poor support because they are on TV – thats a ridiculous statement.
The fact is that there are some very poorly supported teams in the Premiership – be it by investment or good management.
Stand up – Bolton, Blackburn, Middlesboro etc.
You can also tell a poorly supported team by their away attendances.
None of these teams should be in the Prem.
By: Matt on November 9, 2007
at 4:12 pm
I have heard many people talk about the G14 breaking away to form their own European league… not least the clubs themselves, who at times threaten such to try and rein in UEFA. I personally think you’ll see better football, I make no bones about that and in addition you see the greatest players because the money will be such that not one of them wouldn’t take it. I guess the issue for me a fan of Arsenal FC is would I want to give up my ardent desire to see us beat Spurs each season over beating Barcelona. Now I know both have merit, but the former has the history. I just cannot imagine not wanting to beat Spurs plain and simple and if we were to take our business elsewhere I would miss us showing them game after game why they are still no better than a pub side.
By: Toronto Gunner on November 9, 2007
at 4:13 pm
Good post Yogi. Could the problem with attendences also be down to clubs that are punching above there weight, whether though effective (Not attractive) management or a Chairman pumping money into the club. What attendences were Forest (For example) getting when they were in the Premiership?
By: Marc on November 9, 2007
at 4:30 pm
PS – I hadn’t read all of the posts when I left a comment.
By: Marc on November 9, 2007
at 4:40 pm
what am I doing here you may ask?
exercising the theory of triangulation.
in english ..
you cant expect to know yourself until you know your ‘enemy’ ..
and being a dyed in the wool spurs fan I have to take issue with the ‘pub side’ comment from Toronto Gunner…agreed you are better than us and of course that hurts, (deeply), but ‘pub-side’ what, with two top 5 finishes in the past two years..don’t strong it.
By: thechairman on November 9, 2007
at 5:23 pm
still a good blog though.
By: thechairman on November 9, 2007
at 5:26 pm
Hi Mr TheChairman.
My names is Stanley and I have been thwarted in my efforts to buy Arsenal.
Despite the thwarting I have fallen in love with the club.
Thus, I have decided to buy Spurs from Enic and asset strip the club. When I am done I actually will make it Pub team, we can play matches against FC United, it will be fabulous.
;o)
By: Stanley Kroenkie on November 9, 2007
at 6:11 pm
I don’t understand anyone who prefers watching a game on TV to attending one in person. Unless of course it’s a truly dire team.
Welcome to thechairman, who sounds like a decent spud.
Arsene is always interesting to read and listen to. When I see Ferguson interviewd on TV I can barely understand what he’s saying, and my eyes start to glaze over.
By: marcus on November 9, 2007
at 6:32 pm
Agree Marcus, it beats listening to those opinionated pundits on the small screen any day.
By: Passenal on November 9, 2007
at 7:24 pm
I think we are likely to see going forward as the attendances of lower league clubs continues to fall, clubs taking more control over their own tv rights. The advent of digital technologies and streaming media, coupled with the relatively low cost of operating these may see clubs running their own online live PPV.
Id have to say I’d fully support it. People who truly wish to go to games will, but for a lower price the rest could stay home and watch. I think this could actually increase revenues as people who support a particular team casually could be tempted in along with people who just plain can’t afford it.
Visiting hillsbrough for me is just not servicable on my income, and Im here on saturday afternoon watching premiership games and wishing it was wednesday.
There must be others who feel the same, and there will most certainly be a way to service it.
I realise this isnt wholey related to the orignal post but the tv rights dialogue intreged me.
By: sxndave on November 10, 2007
at 2:42 am