| Arsenal | 3 | - | 2 | Sunderland | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| van Persie (7) | Wallace (25) | |||||||
| Senderos (14) | Jones (48) | |||||||
| van Persie (80) | ||||||||
| Att: 60,098 |
A not unfamiliar feeling but unfamiliar circumstances led to three points and entering the international break at the peak of the Premier League. RvP’s late winner showed a mental resilience that the team have developed through their growing maturity, dropping a two goal lead will be something that will probably concern Arsene more than anything over the coming days. It is hard to say what brought about the lapses; was it tiredness, complacency or a mixture of both? Whatever it was, the warning received today will, hopefully, not be easily forgotten.
Both goals were disappointing to concede. Clichy was caught on the backfoot for the first, the ball travelling a long way to reach Jones behind him. From there on, it was a catalogue of misfortune, poor timing and poor positioning. Almunia did well to block Jones shot, the ball could have gone for a corner or away to that area of the pitch. Instead, Toure was nutmegged and with Flamini and Diaby too slow to recover their defensive positions Wallace picked the side of the goal from Almunia had just returned to wrongfoot the keeper with a calm finish.
The second was equally poor to concede. Toure and Flamini had a two v two well covered until the former decided to leave Flamini to deal with it, ending up in no-man’s land between the six yard area and the edge of the box, watching helplessly as a good cross pass over his head. Senderos had correctly followed his man to the near post but that left Clichy in the centre and Sagna in the left back position. Leadbitter and Jones then attacked the ball, easily outjumping Clichy to head past Almunia. The Spaniard could perhaps have come for the ball but it was going away from his line and in all likelihood, he would not have reached it. To criticise his positioning is churlish. Any more towards the near post and the far post would have been totally unprotected. The problem was with the positioning of the defenders; they were lax, complacent and not concentrating. The good work of the preceding weeks had been undone. There was no solidity from the midfield, leaving the flanks exposed.
The only one who can escape criticism for his part in the two goals is Senderos, something that will stick in the throats of a few, as he was with his ‘man’ until it was too late to do anything for the second and covering the goalline for the first. With Flamini in for Gilberto, there is a trade off. The former provides more impetus in attacking positions but the latter has the experience to provide protection to the defence. On the left, Diaby is easily marshalled into channels yet had two goals chalked off; the first is excused by the fact that Styles had clearly blown for the freekick before Diaby struck the ball, the second, well, I still cannot see who was offside and interfering with play.
Arsene spoke after the game of a ‘loss of focus’ but aside from the first twenty minutes and the last ten, it was a problem for most of the match with Stokes in particular being allowed easy passage for a rasping shot that Almunia did well to turn to safety. That the warning has happened at home in a relatively straightforward game is a blessing. If there is a repeat at Anfield then last season’s drubbing may well be revisited.
The game started well and gave no indication of what was to follow. The opening goal that had been threatened came from a thunderous freekick from van Persie; eleven keepers on the line would not have stopped it such was the ferocity and accuracy of the strike. The second came directly from a corner that Jones bizarrely elected to head straight back towards the six yard area and was hacked to the right edge of the area by Nosworthy. Adebayor played the ball behind the mass, Diaby pirouetted and completely missed the ball, Senderos scuffed his effort into the bottom corner of the net. Shortly after, a clean header from close range was inexplicably put wide by the same player, something he will be disappointed with.
Sunderland came back into the game when the wide midfielders pushed forward and therein is the reason for the ineffectiveness of Diaby and Hleb in defence; they simply failed to adjust to the new situation and did not exploit the gaps behind their opponents sufficiently to make situations count.
Both keepers made a number of good saves in between the goal action and Toure really ought to have done better around the hour mark, a powerful shot striking the post. I mean, c’mon Kolo, when you shoot from thirty yards there is really no excuse for not scoring, is there? Had the post feelings, I doubt that the much fabled ‘magic sponge’ would have helped much to quell the pain such was the ferocity of the strike. The impetus was really regained with the combination of Walcott and Eboue on the right. Having had an air shot in the area when it seemed easier to score, it would have been understandable if Walcott had lost confidence. Instead, he picked himself up and dusted himself down and continued to stretch the defence, turning his marker well to create the opening for the unmarked van Persie to control the ball and slot home with his left for the winner. Walcott himself hit the inside of the post and it seems the opening Emirates goal of his career may not be that far away from arriving.
The sending off spoilt what was otherwise a creditable Sunderland performance. That said, I felt Rob Styles had little choice but to send McShane off for a poorly timed and dangerous challenge. If Alex Hleb had any thoughts of fatherhood in the next few weeks, they may well have been put on the backburner for a full set of studs in the privates is not noted in many circles as being a fertility rite.
Much is being written of how Manchester United are better than Arsenal, more mature and a clear favourite for the title. How easily this team are dismissed on the back of one poor defensive performance. To do so is to forget that this is the same Manchester United who a matter of weeks ago were being chastised for not scoring enough after a poor start to the season. Such is the short term memory lapse within the media that the fact Arsenal have outscored all bar one of their opponents this season counts for nought. We shall see how the race evolves but at the end of the day, the only time any thoughts of a title count are when it is decided.
The key to the benefits of these three points rest not just in the return to the top of the table. The real issue is whether or not this has been the wake-up call the side needed to ensure total concentration for the rest of the season. They have worked hard to build six and seven point leads over Liverpool and Chelsea respectively, and a two point gap on United (with a game in hand) at this early stage of the season. It is a shame that those efforts are being disrespected due to one below par performance. I always thought that the sign of a good side was winning games when you were not on song. Apparently this is no longer the case unless you are Manchester United.
’til Tomorrow.























Once again well done yogi!
but i must say it is a concerning trend that is evolving.. many times we have been saved by bad finishing by the opposition(spurs,sunderland) or alot of last ditch tackling- i am afraid against strikers such as torres, ronaldo, rooney or even crouch- we may pay for it dearly
Arsenal are playing well and more importantly winning but our defence needs to be tightened up more-
Man Utd have woken from thier slumber but i have confidence that arsenal by the is the most technically astute side can win
though i think the press has forgotten one club that is doing well- Man city, they will be a worry.
Cheers!
By: arsenalroc on October 8, 2007
at 5:40 am
arsenalroc, we have faced good finishers, just cos they dont play for Man U doesnt mean they are not good finishers. Kanoute is a better finisher than Rooney (if the shot isnt from some freak angle) and he couldnt score against us. Berbatov and Keane are good finishers and neither of them scored against us. Even if that is the logic we’re using then if we just score a third of the chances we create we’ll be sweet anyways.
By: gooner plain and simple on October 8, 2007
at 6:07 am
Good write up Yogi! Little bit of fire in the belly this morning! It was good to see Roy Keane after a love in of a week tip United for the title. Anything less and we would have been disappointed Roy. Anyway, we’ve been promised by all and sundry an almighty scrap with Spurs for forth, so we’re rather keen on that!
By: Danny on October 8, 2007
at 6:12 am
Good article, but lets get serious, ManU scores a few goals against wigan and all over teams and suddenly they are hot favourites now. we have to remember we had tough game away in europe, so sunderland was never going to be easy but whats most important is that we pulled through. i kind of like the whole underdog arsenal vibe, let the press keep talking ManU am sure the arsenal boys are more mature than we think and all the managers( Alex and Jose) said so before the season.
By: ezra on October 8, 2007
at 6:32 am
Yogi, please, let the press and pundits write us off. I’ve been worried that we’re getting too much praise recently. Not only is there a risk it will go to the players’ heads — could this be what happened on Sunday? — but we’ll start being THE big scalp everyone wants and every team will come at us like it’s a cup final. Underneath the radar is good — look at the way we’ve responded so far this season.
By: Stuart on October 8, 2007
at 6:34 am
Well hate to say I told you so … but, I said here on Thursday that we were a) heading for a worrying performance this weekend after two poor performances, b) that players now had to be rested before they were out on their feet and c) that everyone shouldn’t go overboard about Flamini. I was right on all three accounts though obviously relieved we managed to come through.
The main point was regards tiredness. I said adebayor, cesc and flamini needed a break and they were the three that again looked the most tired to me. The whole thing struck me as rediculous, we’ve got bags of midfield talent waiting in the wings, whilst two midfielders play every game into either injury or failure occurs. Flamini was back to invisible yesterday, left the defence exposed, Gilberto should now return as I suggested. Cesc played well, but you could see he was battling against tired legs, runs without energy and passes without legs. Adebayor has completely lost the physical power he showed against Derby.
But anyway, let’s not go overboard, for me, the first 25 minutes yesterday was our best of the season, the passing was fantastically crisp and sharp, it should have been 3-0, I saw bits of the Man Utd game and they didn’t look anything like fluid to me, there’s no question who is the form team in this league, we just need to make sure we maintain physical freshness by using our squad properly, Diarra, Gilberto and Denilson are not wasters, they’re world class talent and should have been used to help blow away Sunderland.
Best players were Van Persie and Hleb. RVP may you all note, who has benefited tremendously from a rest, right back to form now. And Hleb put in an excellent performance, silky going forward and tigerish going back, great stuff. Walcott also put in a great performance when he came on, thank god!, well done Theo.
By: hboy on October 8, 2007
at 6:37 am
Against the ‘better’ teams we will not have so much of the ball. The team will know that they will have to work hard to establish any control and consequently there will be a better all round defensive show.
Having said that Kolo is not a natural defender and he does get pulled out of position at times.
Saturday was a not so good day at the office but we still got three points. Fingers crossed for an injury free international week.
Good report!!.
Alan
By: Alan on October 8, 2007
at 6:58 am
YW
We really need to tighten up at the defence and the defensive midfield position and the left wing. That is the only area continue to be a bother. May be its time to give Flamster some rest. Diaby and Cesc should also work on their left foots. While all the defenders are trying, we still get exposed in the CB position. Still, not apportioning blame, there was lapse in the middle of the defence for all the two goals against us. The first goal after the ball had come out, Toure’s timing was poor. The second goal, leaving Clichy at his height and strentgh to fight to head the ball against stong attackers was also a wrong decision. Yet Almunia should have dealt with the second goal, it wasn’t any spectacular and powerful.
Some of these lapses in concentration when we’re leading was very prevalent last year and I hope the players will retool after the international break and come back fresh. Good news after the break though; both Jens and Gallas will be fit then and give us a lot of options. Gilberto has also shown when coming on that he’s not lost any of his defensive capabilities so let’s all hope for the best in the second run of games up to December.
Good morning YW and thanks for your piece once more.
By: Howard on October 8, 2007
at 7:01 am
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at 7:11 am
Two things surprised me….I expected it to be a fairly low scoring affair, 1-0 or 2-0 to us. I was surprised we scored 2 so early, which indicated another thrashing, and even more surprised when they found a way back in.
By: Z on October 8, 2007
at 7:31 am
Can someone please tell me one thing that that liability Adebayour contributed to the game. I could not believe it when Wenger took Van Persie off and left the liability on.
By: terry on October 8, 2007
at 7:37 am
I agree the defence made some mistakes, but it was quite clear the whole team were a bit jaded as normally the midfield would chip in more to support them. Remember this game was preceeded by the tough battering at West Ham, swiftly followed by a Champions League away game in Romania. It’s good that the team rallied and pulled out the winning goal. They will not play at the top of their game for every match, it’s not physically possible, but I’m sure they will learn from this experience.
As for Man U – let the pundits focus on their favourite team, while we quietly get on with adding points to the board. Let them have the pressure of being champions-elect.
By: Passenal on October 8, 2007
at 7:38 am
In terms of RvP being substituted, that does not surprise me as it struck me as a gesture to let him have his deserved applause.
Howard
The problem that I think Flamini had yesterday was much the same as the whole midfield. A complete dereliction of defensive duties. I am unconvinced that Lehmann would have stopped either goal yesterday. Almunia is getting some stick and the first certainly was not his fault. Jones’ header was well placed and like Senderos’ shot, they can be as weak as anything but if they are in the right place, no-one will stop it.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on October 8, 2007
at 7:48 am
Alan u must joking? Kolo has saved us on so many occaisions. 1 bad game & now hes not a natuaral defender? Him & Gallas are the type of shorter but speedy, powerful CB every team needs. What were missing is a world class Terry type CB for a perfect partnership. I believe this “UTD now hot favs” is a blessing in disguise as it kind of gives us the start of the season again i.e slightly underestimated! Chin up lads Pool 6 behind, Chel$ki 7 + game in hand & Utd 2 + game in hand! Remember we beat most of the big 4 last season & now were beating those minnow where we blew it last time. Wev gotta great chance!
By: KingKolo on October 8, 2007
at 7:53 am
Oh and I forgot to mention our strikers are beginning to fly! Please Arsene buy us a WC golie + Vidic-like CB in Jan!
By: KingKolo on October 8, 2007
at 7:56 am
Am surprised no one has mentioned the fact that the team was jaded precisely because of the tough matches against West Ham and in Eurpoe in one week.
In my view, AW erred by not ‘freshening” the team. He could have played Denilson for Fab, Gilberto for Flam and possibly Hoyte and Traore. For me, Clichy, Fab, Flam, Sagna need a break. Even though AW knows, this time he erred.
By: ndualson on October 8, 2007
at 8:00 am
There was evidence here that we underrated a decent Sunderland side. 1 of our chief faults last season.
We took an early 2 goal lead then simply became complacent and paid the penalty with their goals.
The whole team organisation went to pot as we lost focus. Clichy was constantly exposed to the giant Jones so he caused a lot of problems. No one was particularly to blame- it was a collective responsibility to sort it out but we didn’t. That is a worry. We do normally defend better against the top teams because the concentration is there.
It is wrong to fault Almunia for the goals, in fact he made several decent & brave saves.
Hleb was tremendous.
Our response to losing the lead was encouraging & we certainly deserved the win in the end. Credit to Sunderland, who I thought gave us as good a game as any at the Emerates.
By: Flint McCullough on October 8, 2007
at 8:07 am
If Wenger had benched Cesc , Flamini and whoever else is tired – then no doubt some of ye would have been up in arms saying whats he doin with the Rafa rotation policy. Play your best 11 unless form or injuries require a change. If our 3rd goal had stood, and we didnt get sloppy in defence i have no doubt the substitutions would have come to rest players. As it happened though subs were needed to win the game. And i have to give some credit to Wenger and Theo there. Theo came on and changed the game. We had become to slow in our attacking tempo. Theo sped it up and it was a lovely turn and nice cross to VanP that helped win the game. Theo does have an end product to his game and was unlucky not to score himself with 2 great chances.
By: DeiseGooner on October 8, 2007
at 8:20 am
Anyway we needed to make sure of the 3 points to put us top again before going into the international break. Now we need our injuried players like Gallas and Rosicky to come back and no new injuries from the international matches. We have 2 home games in 3 days when they get back against Bolton and Prague.
By: DeiseGooner on October 8, 2007
at 8:23 am
We have been something of a surprise package so far this season and it’s natural enough for others to look for the flaws in our game. Throwing away a 2 goal lead due to complacency is a flaw that must undermine our prospects of world domination. We needn’t be so sensitive as to feel slighted just because others point out these obvious failings. At the same time the fact is that so far this season we have suffered and learned this lessons within the course of 90 minutes and didn’t drop points. Games like this will ultimately do us more good over the whole season and if we are to win anything this ability to learn the lessons and turn things around within the game will be invaluable.
By: Amos on October 8, 2007
at 8:25 am
Hi All
I think we are going over board with one tired performance. Cesc and Flamini needed rest long and play one game too many and I do agree with hboy. But the bottomline is that we won and we have kept up the momentum. We are still on top of the league with a game in hand from our nearest rivals. We have a settled team and Senderos is playing with his confidence restored after a horrid last season.
You guys are critising Kolo for not being a natural defender and Flamini for his dereliction of defensive duty, plse give the team a break.
Flamini if he is not called to the Frech national team will get a much needed rest, so will Toure.
We will look much better after the national breal
By: Malaysiangunner on October 8, 2007
at 8:33 am
Amos and Flint agree with both your comments, we just turned off after putting two goals in the nets,(with two others not allowed). IMO the team thought here we go another 4 or 5 goals its so easy. They responded and we got a smack. As for Terry are you for real, I suspect your on something. ‘Can someone please tell me one thing that that liability Adebayour contributed to the game’. He just missed with a header he held up play he tackled hard as he always does and just missed a goal. Did you see the game? Flint one part you missed was Theo, I thought it was one of his best games so far. Yes he stuffed up on be chance but that boy has speed and his pass to RVP was outstanding. Always said the boss knows what he is doing.
P.S. Frank did you cheer on England in the Rugby tell the truth?
By: Old Timer on October 8, 2007
at 8:43 am
YW
I’m not trying to find fault with a player (i’ve stopped doing that) however, I doubt if Almunia is the GK we need going into critical periods in the championship race. He’s a good GK but has serious limitations.
He was in a clear position to have saved the second goal. The header was not that powerful and was not far away from him. I believe he could’ve also done better or even made an attempt at the first goal, reason; he had his right side covered by Senderos, so he could have done well with the ball at his left side where he stood. Generally, he’s not that agile and is slow in reactions.I’m just trying to highlight some of his weaknesses, which he can improve on. Those weaknesses were also evident in the Spurs, Serville and Hammers matches. I know he’s improving though but has he got what it takes to be the leading GK for a title fighting team? I’ll still vote for Jens.
By: Howard on October 8, 2007
at 8:44 am
Terry-
You look but you don’t see.
OT-
Yes Theo did make a difference as did Eboue.
Malay-
Unfortunately they are far from rested after the internationals.
By: Flint McCullough on October 8, 2007
at 9:00 am
Howard
Sorry but I think you are harsh on Almunia. The first goal was a clever finish; Wallace waited for Almunia to get back to the centre and put the ball the way he had come, he reacted but had his weight naturally on the wrong foot to dive to save. Sorry but it is the sort of goal that the best keepers in the World won’t stop.
The second? Still harsh but possibly he could have saved it. To criticise him though ignores the fact that the defence was poorly positioned and not mentally atuned to deal with the situation.
You may not think he is up to the job of being a top club’s No. 1 but at the moment he is ours, and more to the point, is in better form than Jens was before he was dropped. Sorry, injured.
Malaysia
I don’t think it is overboard; the reason it annoys people is that we know the team are capable of far better defensively. The only one who seems to be getting stick is Almunia and he doesn’t deserve it. The defence and midfield deserve criticism for their defensive work; had they been lesser players, they would not have been able to compensate for this with their attacking play.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on October 8, 2007
at 9:04 am
Lets look at the major positive – another 3 points!
It was clear that after going 2-0 up yesterday, the team thought it was job done, and if you let you focus and concentration drop at this level, then you will get punished, no matter the opposition.
It was clear that this is what happened – and i do not buy in 100% to the tiredness theory.
OK – a couple of players looked a little jaded, Flamini, Fabregas especially, but we were awesome for the first 20 mins.
You also have to credit Sunderbum for having a go at us too – they could of done a Derby and carried on defending when 2-0 down.
We won, no new injuries, top of the table!
Why complain?
By: matt on October 8, 2007
at 9:11 am
Hi Old Timer,
I might have done if I had watched it, but I don’t really watch rugby. Used to play as a youngster as well as soccer but gave it up for soccer when I left school. I went to the Sunderland game though, my heart was in my mouth from when they scored their first goal until RvP scored the winner. We filled the stadium yesterday and very few left early for a change. Theo looked much more impressive and links up with RvP well, he is lightening fast and skinned Sunderland players several times from a standing start with the ball. He could do worse than learn his skills from RvP. Two games in a row I thought that Gilberto settled the side well.
By: Frank on October 8, 2007
at 9:13 am
What is all this talk of resting players. We now go into a 2 week International break and many of the players will not play for their countries. i.e. Cesc and Flamini, so I see no reason to have rested them.
It was just a lapse of concentration throughout the team that allowed SUFC back into the game but, like all wining teams need to do, we bounced back and won.
By: Steve on October 8, 2007
at 9:14 am
ezra spot on me mate let them talk and talk about Manu winning the lot we can slip under the radar. Love it mate that is the way to go.
By: Old Timer on October 8, 2007
at 9:15 am
I prefer manuel over Jens but neither are the worlds best at this moment in time. Almunia could have saved it, his error was similar to Robert Greens when he tried to save RVPs last week. he was half wrong footed and the ball was very low to his right. tricky one but he would have expected to save it. but the mistake of defenders leading up to that point were at least as equally as bad.
In hindsight, had the hungry fresh players started, I think we would have comfortably won the game. Denilson Diarra and Gilberto all would have revelled in the game. Eboue showed he has great value to come on and run at defenders adn Theo ditto. I am not saying any of these players should be first choice in front of whoever is in the the team but I think in games like yesterday when you have had a tiring trip to Europe and players have played every game for weeks, its a good idea to have 2 or 3 of them in the side.
no one would fault wenger for that. what benitez does is far more than that, he takes rotation too far.
what you need is your best 11 and then in the big games they always play while in the easier games you keep 9 of the 11 the same and change 2 to keep it fresh. thats all you need to do.
Rosicky should come back fit and fresh and maybe Gallas. the former will bring a bit of balance back to the midfield. I hope Cesc does not play for Spain and I think Gilberto has made a strong case to get back into the team as well though I think he needs to travel to Brazil again. bah.
By: gazzap on October 8, 2007
at 9:20 am
First of all I must say that I’m glad we won, got the 3 points and are still top of the table.
Secondly, I tend to agree with the above criticism regarding our slack defending, including from the midfield, and not maintaining focus throughout the game.
What really concerns me, however, is our goal scoring, and this is despite the fact that we are currently the leading scorers in the division.
We still haven’t managed to master the need to increase the rate at which we convert chances made into actual goals, i.e. we still apparently need several chances in order to score one goal.
I don’t think this is good enough for a team that has ambitions to win silverware both at home and abroad.
Other, much less talented teams, including Sunderland yesterday, don’t need so many chances in order to score one, two or more goals.
This is really something that we need to address once and for all…and I don’t think that our supposedly trying to score the perfect goal has got anything to do with it.
More the lack of a killer instinct/ruthlessness in front of goal.
If we really want to be successful this season, we’re going to simply have to outscore our rivals over the course of the season/cup competitions we’re still in.
In really tight games, we simply cannot afford to be so wasteful in front of goal – it’s criminal!
By: Magneto on October 8, 2007
at 9:34 am
I have no problems at all to let the press sing about MU. Better the focus be on them while we continue to win – ugly or not. I don’t ming if MU wins handsomely, while we grind out results, so long as we maintain our leadership with a game in hand, cos this would help build toughness as the season wears on. The last thing you want is for the press to sing our praises and the lads get carried away.
Roll on Bolton, can’t wait for it. Hope none of the boys get injured in their international duties.
By: KLVon on October 8, 2007
at 9:41 am
The team is young and they will learn. I agree with all on Theo that this was one of his best performance in an Arsenal colours and saved the day by setting up RvP. But he needs a bit more dribbling skills to add to his speed but he has all the elements to make it big. Once he guile improves he will be awesome. But for now his pushing and running is good for inexperience defenders but the good ones will be able to anticipate him. So playing at the wings is the way to go for now.
By: malaysiangunner on October 8, 2007
at 9:41 am
once Theo gets good at taking the ball round players no one will catch him. this season he has been getting too close to defenders and virtually running into them. once he finds space he is devastating. only experience can improve him and performances like yesterday will be a big boost to his confidence.
Bolton is another big game and I expect it to be similar to the Sunderland game. Bolton have reportedly gone back to their old ways. they are becoming harder to beat and will use route 1 and physical intimidation.
I am not worried about Liverpool or Man u games at all, our players will be up for that and I feel our level of play when ther other team plays football is the best in the league. If our finishing is good we will beat anyone.
Bolton worries me more because we have to win and it comes after an international break which traditionally we usually do poorly after. the home games against bottom of the table teams are the games where the pressure is 100% on us to win and we prefer not to play under that pressure.
By: gazzap on October 8, 2007
at 10:16 am
Steve – All the talk of resting players is because they are not robots, they are tired, just because they are our best players, does not necessarily mean they should play.
I think a common misconception is that the best players are so much better than the average ones. For me, the difference is relatively small. Hence why a well drilled negative outfit like Bolton or Blackburn can be near-impossible to break down. In the Premier League, the minimum requirement for a player is that he’s very fit – strong and physical. For someone like Cesc to be able to shine above those average players, he needs to be on top of his fitness for his finesse to come through. That extra 20% of physical power you get from being fresh makes a massive difference. Arsenal’s superiority under Wenger has always been a mixture of superior talent, alongside superior physical fitness.
I would completely forget the in’s and out’s of yesterday’s performance, it was completely defined by the fact that after 25 minutes of fantastic football from us, our energy levels were spent, Sunderland were fresh and we couldn’t match them. Wenger acknowledged this after the game, but he clearly made a mistake in not identifying this beforehand.
I have no concerns about our defence, we have outstanding personnel and will go from strength to strength. Almunia continues to be disappointing though, I agree with Yogi that he doesn’t deserve stick, but at the beginning of all this, I said he was a shot-stopper, and it would be nice to have a keeper that would pull off some unexpected saves, he’s failed to deliver on that and has let some soft ones in. He’s still giving us more calmness (behaviour-wise, if not goal-keeping)than Lehman though, and deserves to stay in there. Can you see Lehman joining in those team huddles at the end?
By: hboy on October 8, 2007
at 10:44 am
hboy
I was watching Bolton,. At our game this year I believe we do not need to fear them. West Ham and Spurs are better teams that we had despatched with relative ease. WE have some players taht will not be talking part in teh international games and they will be fresh Adebayor, Flamini, Cesc( may be not at his present form they will call on him) , Aboou Diaby, Toure and maybe a few more
This international games used to feature the entire Arsenal team including Hnery but this season we are fortunate that it does not.
By: malaysiangunner on October 8, 2007
at 11:13 am
Here we go again; the moaning never really stops even after we have just won 10 games in a row! The attitude of many gooners is so negative but lucky for us it is mostly the ignorant ones who probably get all their opinions from MotD, blogs & youtube clips.
I bet the people criticising the players and team selection now, were the same people who were saying that we would struggle to finish 4th at the start of this season. And all those questioning AWs team selection and calling for him rest certain players must have a very high opinion of themselves. Wenger is the Manager of Arsenal he has picked each of the first team players himself and moulded them to play his style of football. If you feel that your team selection would have done better than, then you are a bit of a fool.
I was at the game yesterday and while our performance was flat, our players showed great composure to grind out a result in the end. AW believes that it was of more benefit to the team than an easy win would have been and he is right. We lost the 2 goal advantage with some defensive mistakes, but wonder goals or bad refereeing could do that as well! The players reaction was great, they shrugged off the disappointment they must have been feeling and fought hard for the win. They have improved so much from last season and do not deserve your criticism.
By: Unattractive Man on October 8, 2007
at 11:35 am
Unattractive Man
I don’t think that it is unreasonable to point out shortcomings; the team get effusive praise when things go well, so why not have faults observed.
There were positives from yesterday but the negatives were of concern. If it is a one-off then fine; if a sign of complacency, that is a different matter.
The international week is a blessing in disguise. They go away for a fortnight, no games this week, only training and in the case of the injured players coming back, get some pitch time possibly before returning to the Premier League which benefits Arsene provided, of course, that they don’t get injured.
I think yesterday did them the world of good. The fixture list for the home games has been kind so far. Good for building up a head of steam but also capable of inducing a touch of complacency because we have done extremely well in all of the games. A touch of drama will have jolted them a bit which can be no bad thing.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on October 8, 2007
at 12:22 pm
“while our performance was flat”
bit negative that Unattractive Man…
Dont think you can say anyone who comments on the match is negative. In that case Wenger is negative when he comments on where we went wrong in the match, no? Fact is, we almost did not beat Sunderland at home and its important that we look at the reasons for that so we can prevent it from happening in future matches.
Malaysian Gunner, Adebayor will play for Togo so you are wrong that he will get a break. In fact Togo’s game against Mali is the most important game for us. If Mali win the Ade will be with us instead of going to the ACN, like Drogba and half the pompey team will be. Unfortunately we play pompey away shortly before the african players go away. Come on Mali!
I thought Djourou was unlucky to concede the penalty at Blackburn. not much in that at all, looked more like a slip by the blackburn player.
By: gazzap on October 8, 2007
at 12:23 pm
gazzap
You are right and Mali is higher up the FIFA World Ranking than Togo( if it means anything anyway)s o I hope FIFA for once get their ranking correct.
We hope Eduardo is given sufficient time to recover the next two weeks and come back stronger( does any one know when he will be back from his groin injury?) or even Bendtner will be fresh as Denmark may not call him as he is not a regular at Arsenal yet. So we have sufficient cover against the likes of Kevin Davies.
Cheers
By: malaysiangunner on October 8, 2007
at 12:59 pm
Is one of the reasons why Gilberto is not playing the rule (I assume it is still in place) of not having more than 3 non-EU players on the pitch?
Adebayor, Hleb and Toure would fill up the quota? Does anyone know if Toure and Adebayor have got British and French nationality due to length of residence? As Eboue came on while those three were on th epitch, I assume at least one of them does. Senderos may also get caught by this, although I think the Swiss are given an exemption.
With Eduardo and Denilson also in the first team, is AW having to do a juggling act to keep within the rules? Playing Flamini or Diarra in the holding midfield position frees up one of the non-EU births.
Just a thought. Excellent blog; by far the best on Arsenal.
By: Nick on October 8, 2007
at 2:28 pm
Nick
I don’t think the rule exists any more, at least not domestically. The only rule about who you can and cannot field seems to be in the CL.
Interestingly, the Spanish FA has now ratified an EU agreement that gives African players the same status as EU citizens. Two fingers up at Blatter I think.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on October 8, 2007
at 2:54 pm
I cant beleive there is a rule about non EU players or I am sure we’d be falling foul of it all the time! what do you think the rule is in the CL? 3 non EU players?
so spain have said Africans are fine but South Americans are not? is that correct?
By: gazzap on October 8, 2007
at 3:25 pm
Gazzap
The rules for South Americans getting Spanish Citizenship are so easy, they don’t need any special treatment. The former Spanish colonies only have to wait about a year or so and then they qualify for Spanish Citizenship through their birthright.
The RFEF are merely conforming to EU rules but it does make it a lot easier for them to take African kids into their Academies. Still, it will save Arsene having to go to Africa to scout them when he can just pop over to Barcelona and nick ‘em!
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on October 8, 2007
at 4:05 pm
The negativity I’m referring to is not when people moan about performances, it is when gooners start attacking AWs methods. Throughout the summer we had to deal with everyone (including many gooners) saying how poor our squad was and how wenger is loosing the plot.
Hboys comments on how “I told you so” and those people slagging off Ade are completely off the mark. Hboy seems to think that he would have done a better job at team selection than Wenger, which is rubbish. While all those that call Ade a liability have not been watching the same games as me. This season he has improved so much, and I am slowly starting to glimpse what Wenger sees in him. He has a lot of skill and a bit of everything else which makes him such a terror for the opposition defenders that they have to double up. If he could improve his composure in front of goal we would have very special player and he would easily outscore RVP.
By: Unattractive Man on October 8, 2007
at 4:07 pm
There is no rule to prevent non EU players in any competiton as long as they have work permits.
Lets hope Togo lose, and Gilberto doesnt get injured in world cup qualifying, and if he doesnt start against Bolton because of jet lag, we will need him to start for the Liverpool game.
By: solgooner on October 8, 2007
at 4:11 pm
Unattractive man – If you read my comments, you’ll probably find I’m about the most optimistic Arsenal fan on the planet. You’ll also find I’m not someone who spent the summer moaning about anything other than other Arsenal fans who didn’t believe in the team, the manager, the board. I am 110% behind all three aspects.
My “told you so” comments were merely about what I said last week, which was that I thought the team looked really tired in the two previous performances, and I really wanted to see some players rested. No-else agreed with me last week, and wanted our full team out before the international break, there’s a lot more agreeing that they did need a break today. I am a fully commited member of the “Arsene knows” fan club, I worship the guy, but equally know his weaknesses, as we all do after such a long “relationship” with the man. For me, Arsene’s strengths have always been in talent spotting, man-management and coaching of attacking football, his team selections, substitutions and general tactics have always felt fairly naive.
So anyway, not negative comments, I absolutely believe we have the best team this year, I’m also convinced we had the best team last year and achieved the absolute minimum reward for our efforts, so I’m horrifically nervous that we get our just deserts this time around, and that means analysing every move. I was close to tears of frustration at 2-2 yesterday, it would have been a significant mental blow for the team. I think on this forum at least, we’re all pulling in the right direction.
By: hboy on October 8, 2007
at 4:37 pm
Oh unattractive man. I thought you were doing all right until the last sentence. What you really mean is you don’t like people criticising Adebayor. Why do you have to dump on RvP to make your point? You are not Patthegooner in disguise are you? Or even worse Myles Palmer?
By: Frank on October 8, 2007
at 4:50 pm
Freshness required by most of starting 11.
Players NOT* playing btw the 8th-20th:
FAB4, Denilson, Walcott, Hoyte, Diarra, Song, Almunia, Fabianski, Traore.
Players playing ONCE** btw the 8th-20th:
Toure, Eboue, Adebayor, Flamini, Gallas, Clichy, Diaby, Sagna, Rosicky.
Players playing TWICE** btw the 8th-20th:
EDS, RVP, HLEB, SENDEROS, GILBERTO, BENDTNER, LEHMANN.
*not counting RESERVE game(s)
**provisional assumption
Le Prof will make his team decisions for Bolton(H), Slavia(H) & Liverpool(A) after the 17th.
Based on the international games dates, and barring injuries, the team I WOULD LIKE to start:
VS Bolton(H) on the 20th:
Almunia
Sagna-Toure-Gallas-Clichy
Diarra-Fab4-Diaby-Rosicky
Adebayor-Walcott
+Fabianski, Eboue, Flamini, RvP, Hleb, Senderos
VS Slavia(H) on the 23rd:
Lehmann
Sagna-Toure-Senderos-Clichy
Gilberto-Fab4-Hleb-Rosicky
Adebayor-RvP
+Almunia, Eboue,Flamini, Gallas, EDS.
..we wait and we wonder
By: Aman on October 8, 2007
at 5:27 pm
FACT: Freshness required by most of starting 11
By: Aman on October 8, 2007
at 5:28 pm
No I’m not Myles Palmer but for some reason I expect him too be a very unattractive man. He doesn’t come on here does he?!!!
I wasn’t putting down rvp, he is great and will always score many goals. Ade gets more chances though and if he can sort out his finishing to match his skill – as Cesc is doing- then he will score more than rvp. It is simple logic really.
People are right to criticise his finishing. But calling him a liability is a bit ignorant shows that they don’t watch live games.
By: Unattractive Man on October 8, 2007
at 5:29 pm
Frank
Lay off Unattractive. He has made some very good points here.
I don’t see that necessarily as a criticism of RVP.
It is a shame though that he didn’t show his face when we were fighting off the “Doomers” in the summer.
By: Flint McCullough on October 8, 2007
at 5:38 pm
I totally get your point unattractive man, I think Frank may have misunderstood you though. RVP has been with us since 2004 and although we’ve seen glimpses of what he can do he is only now showing all of his skill. Ade had not been here that long and he is still improving. I think they both bring something special to the team in their very different ways and that is the strength we have. I’ve seen them work very effectively as a pair (last season CL qualifier against Zagreb) and whereas Ade can hold the line on his own in a 4-5-1, RVP is so skillful he can make something out of nothing and win you a game when you really need it.
Aman – I’m sure Wenger knows all of that and more about the players whereas we are only seeing what is obvious. The way I see it, it’s Wenger’s job to see the flaws in the team and address them in training. It’s not like he’s reading these blogs to see where he went wrong!
By: Passenal on October 8, 2007
at 5:50 pm
Flint,
I remember those times well, my friend. They are strangley quiet at the moment. Though if we lose one match they will be out like slugs after a rain storm.
Apologies Unatttractive and as for the dwarf hack I think he probably does masquerade as a ‘cultured left foot’ commentor but I will say no more on the subject.
RvP is a star so perhaps you could say ’score more goals than Drogba or Torres’. btw we have first and second top goals scorers at the moment, and Cesc is just a little below.
By: Frank on October 8, 2007
at 5:54 pm
Agreed Passenal. But we don’t need to compare them so long as they are both better than everyone else.
By: Frank on October 8, 2007
at 5:55 pm
Passenal, I, like u am only expressing opinion. I enjoy reading & theoretizing opinions and thoughts on this most stimulating of blogs. Tune in dude, we are all “looking-in-from-the-outside”. I write to share opinion not to inform AW on HOW TO DO HIS JOB. Offer an opinion or new insight or just hush, man!
“Le Prof will make his team decisions for Bolton(H), Slavia(H) & Liverpool(A) after the 17th.
Based on the international games dates, and barring injuries, the team I WOULD LIKE to start:”
By: Aman on October 8, 2007
at 6:06 pm
Wonder if Fab4 & Diarra will get to work “together some more” during the break?
By: Aman on October 8, 2007
at 6:10 pm
You are right there.
Would you be agreeable to offering an Unattractive Man membership of the “Blinkered” club?
We may need some help, when the odd setback comes, as it inevitably will.
By: Flint McCullough on October 8, 2007
at 6:12 pm
YW
I’ve watched the clip of the third goal and the build up is so beautiful. The movement from Eboue, then Theo and finaly to RvP, one touch, the strike and goal. What a beautiful movement. Its only the Arsenal that can score such a goal.
By: Howard on October 8, 2007
at 6:54 pm
People are sometimes overly influenced in their opinions by results that aren’t any more than the working of the law of averages.
Every team creates a few chances against us every game, and sometimes they convert them, depending on skill and luck.
If they happen to convert two then the analysis starts about where we went wrong.
But is what happened a lot different to say Freddie’s goal being ruled offside last week? Their tails would’ve gone up, and the game would have changed. And they had a few chances as it was.
The game v Sunderland could as easily have ended up 5-1 as 3-2 if the dice had rolled differenly. Then we’d all be having a very different conversation on pretty much the exact same performance.
You might as well say Liverpool’s defence has suddenly gone all wrong on the strength of their conceding a couple of soft goals.
But we all know it hasn’t, it’s just randomness and the law of averages, as even good defenders have their quota of slip-ups.
Saying that, I don’t think we have an unbeatable defence. But we do have a pretty good one, which well deserves the perfectly decent stats of 6 conceded in 8 prem games.
By: Torchwolf on October 8, 2007
at 7:20 pm
aman
thank god arsene doesnt read these blogs.
By: karim on October 8, 2007
at 8:55 pm
Yes Karim, thank GOD he doesn’t
By: Aman on October 8, 2007
at 11:22 pm
Aman
I doubt that Cesc and Diarra will be working together in this break as the former is in the Spanish squad for their games against Denmark and Finland.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on October 9, 2007
at 5:24 am
Cross your fingers. So far, those internationals have done us little harm this season. They are usually nasty injury magnets.
By: arseinfullflow on October 11, 2007
at 5:01 am
Old timer, we will have to agree to disagree about Adebeyour. We obviously look at the game differently.
To me Adebeyour is Re -active not Pro- active and that defines a good player from a very good player.
By: terry on October 11, 2007
at 5:14 am