Until the time that the Financial Statements for the last year are published, we had better be used to hearing from David Dein about his vision for Arsenal Football Club. It will be one based on the future, as opposed to the past and present as Dein knows that is where his arguments are going to be falling flat.
Yesterday’s reports contained nothing new yet should not be dismissed as delusional, more ’spun’ from his point of view. In that respect, the stories will be presented as visionary whilst the Board will be viewed as reactionary, responding to him all of the time. They have no reason to be on the offensive, that will come with the Results. Dein however, has to try to build up as much steam as possible, garnering small pockets of support amongst the shareholders, trying to build as large a base in the support as he can muster. It is not a ’short game’; he is prepared for the long haul, attention given will be gratefully received. No-one is in any doubt that a takeover bid will be made, the question is when.
In terms of what he said and how he presented himself, the latter has no change from the previous report. Time allows review of the content and in what he says, I do not think Dein is being untruthful, merely skewing events to suit himself. In the Sky Sports News report, he says
When I left in April I think his future was very much in the balance, in fact he said to me at the time he wasn’t sure he wanted to stay on. We had a chat and I thought it was important that he should stay on for the future of the club.
There is nothing untoward in what he says there. You can dispute his version of events all you want but what he says ties in with comments Wenger ( a nice piece on the man here and an extract from The Arsenal Opus here – thanks Louisa) himself made during the summer, waiting to see whether or not he was able to take this generation of players forward. When Dein made the Red and White announcement, I said at the time he needed to be careful about the manner in which his PR was handled. It strikes me that he is not controlling, for want of a better word, the output and the manner it is portrayed. He has certainly toned down the approach from last weekend.
In terms of Dein being involved again at the Club, I do not have a real problem with that. I have a major issue with those who back him and am uncomfortable with their past and manner of achieving their aims. As my mum used to say, “Your friend is alright but I don’t like the crowd he runs with‘. The current Board have not done anything wrong and I subscribe to the view that Keith Edelman presented,
Philosophically, I don’t agree with the logic of having a very wealthy person fund the club. We have a budget to give Arsene and this year he didn’t spend it. On the basis that we didn’t spend all our cash and looking at the quality and strength of squad, logically, I would say there isn’t the need for a wealthy individual. People have to understand that our position as the board is to be in charge of the team long term, and over 10 years a club can only invest what they can afford alongside their business plan. There is an idea that someone can come in and put money in for three, four, five years but after that, the club have to live on from the base financial strength that they have.
Organic growth if achievable is more sustainable than a short burst of investment. There will be comparisons drawn with Manchester United and a report commissioned by their supporters trust suggesting that they have £100m interest each year to fund. That headline grabbing figure is misleading as it includes £24m of Capitalised Interest payments. What needs to be borne in mind is that United can afford it currently with their Financial Reports expected to show a healthy £90m profit after before (thanks hackajack) interest. Whether that is true or not will be seen upon publication. The information will have to wait until the Report is filed at Companies House, unless of course a copy is leaked to the media.
Onto the playing side of things which is a happier hunting ground to be on. Gilberto Silva puts the boot into Tottenham ahead of next week’s clash. In the News of the World, he comments,
I am not worried about Jol’s situation. That’s Tottenham’s problem and it’s logical that we want to make Tottenham suffer more…I have watched them this season and they are not playing at the same level as in the past. I notice errors in defence, less control in midfield and little success in attack. And it is normal that the club will be surrounded by tension because Spurs have won only one of their five matches.
As long as it goes to one of their six matches, I am not bothered by Tottenham’s problems. Reports suggest that the Brazilian will be the subject of a £10m bid from Valencia in the January Window which were it to be true would be unwelcome but a head-turning number if Arsene was minded to sell him. I am not sure if he will at that time, more likely he will depart in the summer – if he goes at all – should Diarra, Flaminin, Diaby or Song prove up to the task of replacing him.
I have not read of any injuries to the squad yesterday which is good. It was better for Eduardo and Rosicky who both scored for Croatia and the Czech Republic respectively.
’til Tomorrow.























Dein is not a good PR man. It’s quite simple. He may think that coming out with the statements he has so far show him in a very good light, but for the majority of fans he would win more favour by keeping quiet.
By: Jimmy on September 9, 2007
at 8:32 am
Bang on target the Jimmy.
I used be very happy with Dein and his work, but anyone who tries to destabalise or damage the club for their own ends completely trashes any credit they have imo.
Dein would have been far better served to stay quiet and either move on, or work in the background.
He would have been far better off trying to rebuild bridges with the current board for the good of the club.
That he hasn’t and that his “vision” for the future is so vastly contrary to what AW’s view is, indicates to me that he has lost the plot somewhat.
Watching that interview where AW, in response to some question about Dein selling his shares said “I think David has been rewarded for his work for the club”, it was apparent to me that AW was hinting that Dein should move on.
The way Dein is trying to hang on to AW’s coat tails is most unedifying, and I think all but the most blinkered of fans can see that this is all about Dein, not Arsenal.
By: Mike on September 9, 2007
at 9:03 am
You are loathe to see players go and how often do we say, we would not like to see someone go at any price, but for Bert, unlike that of a fading Prince, it is a case of tie the not for sale sign round his neck and hide him out the back.
The guy is an absolute legend, never heard him utter a bad word. He took the, let’s face it stripping of the captaincy like a man of geat class. One almost missable moan, not even really that.
Forgetting all this, on the pitch he has had his doubters, some have said, including in the past myself that he can be outmuscled in the area of the park most synonomous with English game, that he can roll the odd errant pass but that was then, this is now and now he his is like Roll Royce in the driveway in front of the manor.
He is supreme in stature, his positional sense is above any defensive midfielder in the world. Calmness personified, count the blocks, count the interceptions, count the clearing headers, it is ridiculous in the extreme but this untypical Brazilian is unbelievable in the air.
I am not sure there is a better centre half at the club or anywhere else for that matter. Pushed into the back four he is unfussed and carries the air of a man with 4 seconds in the bank before anyone else is allowed to move. As an example, to our legion of youngsters he is without peers.
When Paddy was here and I did not credit his value, maybe I was used to monsters in midfield. Bert’s more the dragonslayer. If anyone should follow the Bergkamp route of retiring at the club a legend, it is him. I don’t care if we have Paddy Keane waiting to break into the first team, the answer should remain not for sale, at any price.
By: danny on September 9, 2007
at 9:15 am
I find the whole DD saga utterly bewildering. How can a man work so closely with the manager over a decade and get the whole vision of the future so wrong. He must of known Arsene does not need vasts amounts of money its just not his way. I dont get this competing with the other three on a blobal basis, whats that mean? I like yourself Yogi have nothing against the guy as i know he is a genuine Gooner and has the club at heart. He even said the other week that he could not work with another club as Arsenal is in his blood and i believe that to be true. If he came back i would not have an issue only as you say the friends or foes he might bring with him. All in all i find it baffling to the way he came to have to leave the club. On the playing side Gilberto leaving would not be good but he is thirty or thereabouts and a good fee plus a lucrative contract for him might well see him depart. It would depend obviously if another like Diarra might step up to the plate to replace him. The Spurs game i feel very important as a win is going to give the boys the extra confidence they need to believe they can really do something this season. Heres hoping!
By: veteran on September 9, 2007
at 9:16 am
Thanks for the link to that extract from the Opus Louisa and Yogi. It was very edifying.
By: Passenal on September 9, 2007
at 9:17 am
Sorry to be different but I do get more than a little annoyed when I read comment like the above. lets get things right shall we? None of us are privey to any of the conversations between DD & AW or DD & the board. So to write the trash above that DD should keep quiet or stop hanging onto shirt tails is insulting our intelligence and insulting the work our ex director has done4 for AFC and us the supporters.
The facts as I see them, and like everyone else is based on the crap spewed out by a normally anti Arsenal press is (a) DD gave us AW against the wishes of some of the snobby board of old Etonians etc. (b) DD was not only proved to be 100% correct but also supported AW’s vision for a revolution in the way the club were to go in the future ie; new training facilities second to none in the world. ANd to top that a move to the best club stadium im the UK. (c) DD, then wanted to take his vision a step further and get some massive investment added to the current asset value ie : a new backer with big money to buy in….even now we do not know is it was meant to be a take over, but I suggest it was a possibility.
The Kroenke move has stalled, so DD has sold his shares to another Russian fat (no pun) cat who want possibly another way to hide his money or to make himself a celeb…who knows. The fact again is that if the world was ever to become suddenly a decent honest place and investgated every share holding in every major and not so major company in the UK….I suspect that hundreds of bent and crooked people would suddenly appear or even suddenly dissapear.
In short lets not live by the bent press agenda of the UK. Instead, I suggest we sit back and wait to see the outcome of all the behind doors manouvering and then go for it.
By: GunnerPete on September 9, 2007
at 9:25 am
When Dein and Wenger were photographed recently coming out of a restaurant together I wondered at the time whether it was just coincidence that a photographer happened to be there. Of course if Dein was in the process of selling his shares for £75mn but also needing to show his influence to retain control via a shareholding vehicle then that picture and the subsequent media attention would have served him well. When you look at the photograph itself Dein doesn’t seem the slightest bit surprised that a snapper should be there whereas Wengers face displays some bemusement. Entirely speculation of course but maybe Deins PR machine is much better than we might think.
By: Amos on September 9, 2007
at 9:32 am
I agree with GunnerPete
By: Frank on September 9, 2007
at 9:35 am
Amos ….you could be a hack writing stuff like that.
By: Frank on September 9, 2007
at 9:37 am
It’s true that Dein has played his part in the clubs history and intends to do so in the future by all accounts. I don’t see why anyone should get angry that his current motivation is being examined. We aren’t privy to everything that has gone on but we do know certain facts. The first is that Dein was in breach of his fiduciary duty to act on behalf of the interest of ALL shareholders which meant that he was dismissed from the board. We also know that it isn’t true that he and he alone on the board has been responsible for the success of the club though he has been it’s most high profile figure. We do know that he disagreed with the board AND the manager on a number of key points. He didn’t want to build the Emirates preferring to rent Wembley but, thankfully, the rest of the board supported Wengers vision in opposition to Deins. We also know that both Wenger and the current board are in agreement that financial self sufficiency is a more solid long term base on which to build the club in contrast to Deins insistence that we need some big rollers. Time will tell who is right but you can say at present all the financial indications are that the board and the manager are doing a good job.
Sure Dein brought Wenger to Arsenal and has dined on it ever since. Martin Edwards brought Ferguson to ManU but doesn’t receive anything like the same congratulatory praise.
By: Amos on September 9, 2007
at 9:51 am
Agree whole heartedly with the article. We shall see how beneficial DD selling his shares to a rich Russian who has admitted that his investment is all about finacial self interest (and who is a big Manure fan)
Gunner Pete makes reasonable points in defence of DD’s past value although I thought that he was against buliding Ashburton Grove?!
Wenger has recently aired views that are seemingly diametrically opposed to Dein’s vision of the future. I feel sure I’m not alone in siding with Wenger and believie that DD should enjoy a comfortable retirement living off the gains of his involvement in Arsenal.
By: Bob N7 on September 9, 2007
at 9:56 am
Amos, I think that you are twisting the facts to support your case. You do not know the facts about the Wembley story nor do you know that Wenger and Dein were at odds about it. You are also understating Dein’s involvement in the past. He not only brought Wenger (who the rest of Board had never heard of) but also Fiszman. He also did the deals which brought TH, PV, Robert Pires, FL etc to the club on behalf of Wenger. I am not claiming that he is perfect or beyond reproach but people are trying to create a case against him based upon pretty spurious evidence much of it ‘received wisdom’ put about by press and media rather than hard facts.
By: Frank on September 9, 2007
at 9:58 am
We don’t know anything for certain but the reasonable man would say that:
Dein didn’t want AG – wrong
Dein wants outside investment – probably wrong (and Arsene would agree)
Dein wants power – not necessarily in the Club’s interest particularly given the above.
I think it’s time for us to say “tahnk you” and goodnight.
BTW the United profit is projected at £90M BEFORE interest repaymets ie the interest will swallow it whole (as they did this year)
By: hackajack on September 9, 2007
at 10:12 am
I am not twisting anything Frank though I obviously have my view. It is a matter of public record that Dein wanted to rent Wembley. I don’t think there is any real dispute about it. Fiszman was already an Arsenal supporter when he bought some of Deins shares. Dein had to sell to bale him out of trouble following the financial failure of his previous business interests which rather compromises this image of an astute bsuinessman. Even so you could just as easily praise Hill-Wood for bringing Dein to Arsenal.
As for bringing players in – if you were to read Pires autobiography the deal was done between him and Wenger. Pires didn’t see any of the directors until he arrived in London for his medical. If you also read the notes on Edelmans meeting with the Arsenal Supporters Trust he claims that Arsene did most of the transfer negotiations with Dein just doing the legal formalities in concluding the deal. I am not disregarding what Dein has done in the past – he has played his part but others have contributed as much or more.
By: Amos on September 9, 2007
at 10:13 am
oh yes 2touchscreamer , i was wrong to state in june wenger considered leaving !!
http://www.football.co.uk/arsenal/dein_wenger_considered_exit_252183.shtml
By: ethangoon on September 9, 2007
at 10:18 am
Just watched Eduardo’s two goals on You Tube. Two really nice finishes.
The guy looks total class, the sooner he can find his feet the better. He will add real cutting edge to our player. Not been as excited about a new signing for some time. In terms pf balancing our options up front he looks perfect.
Find the net against Spurs and in an instant he can be a hero.
By: danny on September 9, 2007
at 10:43 am
Oh Amos. You are doing it again…you are being very selective. You are responding on the Pires front but not the others. To extrapolate that to AW did all the deals when DD was here is interesting..but I don’t think you really mean that. You indicated that AW and DD were at odds with each other regarding the ‘Wembley’ idea which I still think is being ’spun’. You obviously don’t like DD. Whether you have formed an opinion based upon fact though is a point of contention. We all thought that he was good for the club and that the DD and AW axis was fantastic…suddenly because we do not like his current associations we have decided to re-write history.
BTW when DD bought into the club PHW could not imagine why he would want to. In your world after languishing for years did PHW suddenly get a burst of energy and ambition quite coincidentally shortly after DD bought his shares?
DD probably is a selfish person and like most of us his actions can be good or bad..but he is no worse than PHW, Carr, Bracewell-Smith who sat on the clubs face for years. If anything he is more like Norris and you need characters slike that to make things happen.
Problem is I really don’t like any of them. None of them is altruistic enough to put their shares (worth nothing 15 years ago) into trust so that the club can’t be bought and sold at will. So I just stick to the manager, the players and the supporters (though not AST).
By: Frank on September 9, 2007
at 10:47 am
Frank
I disagree with some of your response. Dein did object to AG and favoured Wembley, something he does not deny.
As for transfers, the truth is somewhere between the stories that both camps like to put forward. I suspect that Dein dealt with the selling club at Board level and Wenger the player. There are grey areas where the two elements overlap and I’m sure that both Dein and Wenger found themselves dealing with what would be perceived as the others area at times. They worked well as a team in negotiations and I think Wenger will work well with Friar. It’s the way of the world.
The fundamental problem is that History is being rewritten by both sides. DD claims credit for getting AW to renew, a view not endorsed by the Manager. I have not seen anyone deny DD credit; what is evident is that it is recognised that he was not the sole reason for the improvements to the Club, perhaps a description more suited would be catalyst.
However until Dein stops spinning events his way, others will not stop doing the opposite. Cause and Effect.
As for his present company, simply because shady characters have been involved in football in the past, does not mean we have to accept them for the present and future.
If a takeover comes from R&W, it is going to be a tricky transition for DD to manage. He has made public his issue of investment and how we need it to compete. In doing so, he has raised the prospect of being at odds with the public comments and actions of the manager. How will they reconcile? Will AW have players foisted on him? If the manager does not spend, how will DD placate the supporters whose expectations he has raised? Lots of unanswered questions that he will need to have plausible responses to if he is to win the battle for hearts and minds.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on September 9, 2007
at 11:27 am
Gunnerpete, you dont need to be privey to any private conversations to realise that DD is attempting to manipulate the media in an attempt make fans believe that arsenal will flounder without his orange input. Was he responsible for aw resigning? I personally think that arsene has more integrity then that but it suits DD to portray this perspective doesnt it. Furthermore, DD was opposed to the new stadium, instead supporting the daft notion of a wembly ground share so we have the current board to thank for that. The truth is that as you point out DD did alot of good for arsenal and we dont know what goes on behind closed doors. However, his current PR campaign has been deliberatly destablising for the club, his new financial backer is someone no arsenal fan wants associated with the club and the next afc financial report is widely expected to show that we dont need this dirty money either. DD was great for arsenal but is no longer. Sad but i’d be sadder if he returned.
By: phil on September 9, 2007
at 11:30 am
I wish Gilberto was captain. 10mil is alot for a player his age but i cant see us selling. When his legs slow down i hope he is moved to CB along side kolo. He has proved himself to be more than capable.
By: phil on September 9, 2007
at 11:40 am
Frank
I’m surprised about this your pro Dein position. Why didn’t you advise Dein to keep his shares if he still wants to play a part in the Arsenal? The man has sold out and is still behaving as if he has any interest in the club. Investment? No, he wanted to sell the club to Kroenke and the rest said no, you can’t do that and booted him. Dein is not indispensable man, Arsenal was before Dein and will remain so after Dein. It’s all about self interest, he sold his shares for big bugs, his son Darren Dein also sold Henry to BARCA so its about that, self interest. He’s not the only person who has done something good for the Arsenal. Right, he did good and has profitted from it with a huge windfall; mind you he bought those shares for less than 300k so he’s gained from his dealings with the Arsenal. Don’t underestimate the current Board, they want to keep Arsenal stronger but won’t sell out to criminals like Dein has done. He should let the Arsenal move on in peace and stop destabilising and meddling in the club affairs, he’s already sold out.
By: Howard on September 9, 2007
at 12:09 pm
The truth is somewhere in between.
Dein would be better served by saying honestly, right now, that he is bracing himself and his colleagues for a takeover attempt.
The comments in the media with regard to Wenger have been blown out of all proportion by most of you. So he has alligned himself with Wenger, this is not so bad considering in the main he has managed to keep quiet since his fall from grace. In the past he has been good for the club.
Comments from here about Dein destabilising the club are over hyped nonsense. How has any of the latest destabilised the club?
It has not, of course Dein has an agenda. He knows Wenger, no matter the board, is the future! He knows the vast majority of fans and shareholders do not want to envisage a future without Wenger. He is just letting everyone know, this is where his camp stands. Maybe he is trying to gain a little credit, well fair enough he did bring Wenger in.
This constant notion of the club being destabilised is complete rubbish. The club is as solid as club’s go. Especially having just thrown a good part of a billion on a new home.
Wenger’s signing was also never really in doubt, but if Dein wants to remind a few of his allegiance with Wenger, so be it.
Let’s stop bloody worrying about it. We’re more solid than the rest put together!
And I’m happy with the current board, if a bit of interest from the outside can keep them on their toes and nice’n'honest. Great.
By: Danny on September 9, 2007
at 12:41 pm
Danny, I think that is right.
I was not suggesting that DD did not come up with the Wembley idea. I was concerned that comments were suggesting that he was in some way at loggerheads with AW about it. I also think that the Wembley idea only looks riciculous in hindsight i.e. prior to the building of the Grove. It is OK to have stupid ideas from time to time so long as you are not wedded to them. There was no evidence that he was willing to die in a ditch over it.
Actually I am not pro-DD either. But neither am I pro- PHW, DF, B-S, C etc. I am pro AW and his players and so long as they are happy then so am I, and all the evidence is that they are.
By: Frank on September 9, 2007
at 1:08 pm
Danny
What does Dein want from the club? Hasn’t he benefitted from the club already? Buy shares for 300k, work hard to raise its value and sell for 75 million? What does he want? If he’s really interested in the club why sell or shop around for another Glazier to buy the club for a gain. Dein must be careful, he’s going to far after selling his interest in the club. It’s over, he should stay at home and enjoy his money. Wenger says we don’t need any investment and I believe him than Dein. The Board who really cares for the club have said their not selling up as Dein has already done.
By: Howard on September 9, 2007
at 1:10 pm
Frank, if Amos doesn’t know the facts about the Wembley story, for example, then you don’t know the facts about the board being against the appointment of AW, or how pivotal he was in the signing of PV, TH etc. which could possibly have been done just as easily by someone else.
By: AusGunner on September 9, 2007
at 1:41 pm
Howard,
I’m not sure what your point is. It is obvious Dein is interested in the day to day running of the club. The fact he sold his shares was a method toward being richer, sure but also toward working his way back. His shares have bought him an interest in someone’s potential takeover bid. With his shares he was merely an island, whereas now he has leverage. Maybe if he could have found someone else to sell their shares to Usmanov, he would have played it that way.
Either way, he wants back in, that is his agenda. He is a visionary in some respects and obviously enjoyed his role in what he considered steering the Arsenal ship.
I’m with you, in not wanting to underplay the current board’s role in our successes or over hype Dein’s role in it.
But I simply cannot fathom how the club has been destabilised, this is cheap media talk that we as fans should really just be ignoring.
Wenger had a budget, that he chose not to fully spend. No signs of the club being destabilised there.
The fact that there are different parties interested in owning club, only really confirms that we are an attractive package. If Dein wants back, good for him.
By: danny on September 9, 2007
at 2:08 pm
Exactly Ausgunner. We don’t know do we..
BTW I did not say that the Board was against him bringing in AW. I said that they did not know AW. AW was a friend of DDs even when he was in Japan. He still is a friend of DDs. The players also liked DD. In fact everyone seemed to like him even five years after his apparent faux pas on the Wembley front. He fell out with some Board members causing his ousting from the Board…for reasons that have never been openly stated, though some believe that he fell out with DF over shares.
As far was R&W Holdings is concerned. Do we know if DD was given cash for his shares or does he own part of the new company?
As far as investment is concerned. We seem not to need money in the short-term and we seem to be a well run business and I like the fact that we tend not to pay fortunes for players, infact we seem to have players for years to come. Will we need further investment in the future? Don’t know. DD thinks we may, but he has not stated what that investment might be for, everyone has assumed players. One thing is for sure if we do there will be no shortage of investors will there? Which puts us in a stronger position than 3-4 years ago. If we don’t need investment then fine ..we don’t.. end of story.
Seems to me that we are in a very good position now and the fact that Kroenke and Usmanov are around to remind DF of his loyalties is no bad thing.
A good solid umbrella under which AW and his players can weave their magic. No real reason to despise DD.
By: Frank on September 9, 2007
at 2:25 pm
Ethan egg-on-face;
You said he “considered” leaving? No no no. You said, in JUNE, that Wenger categorically WOULD NOT SIGN a new contract.
But even if we were to believe you and orange best friend’s version of events, Dein “convinced” him to stay in APRIL.
So in JUNE what exactly were you on about when you said:
“this statement confirms he wont stick around.. geez i dont have to keep telling you my thoughts on arsene .. you know it to death … this is just another nail in the speculation BECOMMING REALITY coffin… just admit im right , i know i am .you know i am .. it makes sence the board will require his commitment .. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY I KNOW HE WONT GIVE IT !”
Are you going to stop making more negative predictions, as I asked before, if you were dead wrong?
In all seriousness, you have some sunny sides ups simmering on your visage.
give it up mate
By: twotouchmmiracle on September 9, 2007
at 2:43 pm
Danny, That too seems to be my name, same name, same thinking. If there is another Arsenal player that I will not like to be on the Transfer market is Gilberto. Infact, AFC is supposed to offer him same contract as that of Bergks.
On the issue of DD and PR, I cant say that he is that good for the club now. He is a past gone-glory that is here to dictate the pace of a club he used to be. We dont need his type now. He was great but not in developmental issues. The AG issue and takeover issue have shown him as a glaton. Let him cool down and stop rubbishing his name on the media.
By: Omai D. on September 9, 2007
at 2:47 pm
Guys look at this article and watch out for the following statement:
Edelman revealed that Wenger had agreed his new contract over dinner with chairman Peter Hill-Wood and principal shareholder, Danny Fiszman in mid June, before Thierry Henry left the club.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/football.html?in_article_id=480767&in_page_id=1779&ito=newsnow
Maybe I should just add that I think DD, for all he’s done for the club, is being all too machavelian in his attempts to get back into Arsenal. Enough!
By: Osaka Jap on September 9, 2007
at 3:19 pm
Danny
Dein has a leverage? What leverage? He sold his shares to the Russian mafiosi and became an employee at Red and White so what leverage? You have leverage when you’re in not out. The Russians can sack him any day because he’s employed by them for a purpose; they’re no fools. Look, if the Board won’t sell like Dein who is prepared to sell his ‘father’ to make money, then there is no way the club can be owned by either Kroenke or the Russian oligarch. AST holds 12% on behalf of a collection of Arsenal fans dedicated to the existence of and well being of the club but not to sell in future like Dein( for business purpose only). The Board holds 45% and Nina Bracewell-Smith, Peter Hill-Wood and the Carr family all holds the share because they inheritted the shares from their forebears and won’t sell their family inheritance (mind you, they’re all wealthy and are not scrapping for money at all cost like Dein, they’ve not been receiving dividends either but Dein was being paid as an employee of Arsenal, an Executive Director). The odd one is Fiszman who has also said repeatedly that he won’t sell now or in the future and wants to leave the shares for his next of kin. So how can Dein or anybody own the club, as the Board and AST together holds a combined total of 57%; enough to prevent a takeover?. Dein and family are just self and nothing else; when it comes to money they’ll do anything to get it and bar the repurcussions. Darren Dein also caused the sale of Thierry Henry to Barcelona. Peter Hill-Wood described Dein as a seller who was shopping around looking for any person with money to buy the club so that he makes money out of it, thus they threw him out. Red and White or Kroenke can go and buy Spurs and implement their so-called dream there but Arsenal will remain the way it is, no sale, never.
By: Howard on September 9, 2007
at 3:21 pm
Howard,
The leverage I was inferring to was simply that by holding onto his own shares Dein had no way back, especially since he could not find another major shareholder to sell up, but by selling his own shares to a common friend he is hoping to gain a position of financial strength to launch any such takeover bid and a way back into familiar corridors.
I also have no inclination to see the hierarchy at the club change, I am quite happy with the board and not interested in any of the latest bidders.
But I also have no particular axe to grind with Dein, of course Hill-Wood does and took every oppurtunity to wallow in Dein selling his stake. In truth, they would have preferred Dein to defiantly hold on this own stake, thus making no ground either way.
The idea that Dein was linked to the sale of Henry bares no truth for me. Henry was his own man and was always open to a desire of lacing his boots in new glamorous surroundings. His father wanted him to be the best player in the world and in his heart was the calling that took him to Spain to mark himself down alongside the true greats. Whether, this is misguided is irrelevant.
Wenger, simply kept the player as long as he wanted him before releasing him. Essentially, Henry was shipped out, so that Wenger could see his team fulfill their potential and not so Henry could fulfill his.
But in terms of Dein, as you have said the board controls the roost. So why all the fuss? Dein is looking in wishing he was still a part of. That can be understood.
I see not how any of this destabilises the club and as I said before, if the interest being shown keeps the board on the toes. Great.
By: danny on September 9, 2007
at 4:11 pm
No egg on my face, just confirms my theory..
use your brain ..
i dont know if you can read?!
but LOOK ! (at the link above)
WENGER
“He said to me at the time that he wasn’t sure if he wanted to stay on.
and then he has declined to comment until 2 weeks ago!
so what i was going on about in june WAS 110%
relevant .. Unless you have NO BRAIN at all ..
and have difficultly following the time line… !
So yes everything predicted WAS HAPPENING!
He obviously listened to dein , and he did last week ,thats why he signed shortly after.. because red and white’s take over ramblings! ..
Proving you wrong is so easy…
your a gimp mate !
as to your question …and what was i going on about in june ???
hehehe ! lamer !
between APRIL – and SEPTEMBER 6th
IS JUNE !!! case closed .
only person i can see with egg on his face is you .
and i have to thank dein for the timely comment !
also no need to respond ..
because i cant really be bothered talking to
hacks !!! you know nothing .. thats obvious .
By: ethangoon on September 9, 2007
at 4:13 pm
Why does it have to be Dein’s the devil or Dein’s the saint? It’s a stupid argument to have as it’s completely over the top. The point that i made in the first comment is that he is either not aware or doesn’t care how he is coming across to a lot of fans at the moment and that it is costing him popular support. Now i do not think that Dein is in any way actively seeking to damage the club, however equally i do not think that he should be exempt from criticism or questioning because he has done great things for us in the past. That’s never a healthy situation, as no-one is faultless and should never be assumed to be so.
By: Jimmy on September 9, 2007
at 4:30 pm
That is the most sensible comment of all Jimmy and I hope it draws a line under this discussion.
By: Passenal on September 9, 2007
at 4:58 pm
Right,
No more discussions then.
Mistakenly took this for a blog, thank you Jimmy
By: danny on September 9, 2007
at 5:11 pm
Thank you Passanel
By: danny on September 9, 2007
at 5:11 pm
Ethan,
Glad to see you know have your own web site. Stick to it!
By: choir on September 9, 2007
at 5:12 pm
Frank, regarding your question of Dein’s role in R&W, he’s the chairman there. But apparently he doesn’t own any part of R&W after he completely sold out his stake to R&W. According to most of the news outlets, Usmanov’s firm, Red & White Holdings, is co-owned by London-based investor Farhad Moshiri. So DD’s an executive chairman there, not owner. Which means neither directly nor indirectly does he own any part of Arsenal now.
By: Louisa on September 9, 2007
at 5:27 pm
ethan,
you said you knew categorically that he wouldn’t sign on June 25th. Turns out, he agreed in mid-June before henry left as osaka jap references in the daily mail article above.
He put pen to paper on the 6th. You said you knew wouldn’t sign on Jun 25. You were wrong. End of.
at the time your were also carrying on about how you knew tthe henry to barca story would come to fruition, and that because you were right you woulld be proven right on this account.
all the other stuff you’re blabbering on about is pretty irrelevant.
you were wrong then and you are wrong now. this ain’t bush country. don’t try and change you’re record when it is has been published for all to see.
Great season so far though eh?
By: twotouchmmiracle on September 9, 2007
at 5:29 pm
No need to be facetious danny. I’m all for discussion, that’s why i am here. But this particular discussion has become polaraized to extreme positions, such that neither is being accurately portrayed anymore. When you get to that point there is no discussion, just a slanging match where the point is lost. That’s all from me today.
By: Jimmy on September 9, 2007
at 5:31 pm
We’ll know soon enough (late Sep) when the financial results are out. Then we can tell whether we need any cash injection, and if so whether a takeover is the right way to go, and if so whether Usmanov/Dein is the right combination of owners.
Regarding the here and now, this international break looks so far so good for us. Rosicky scored a goal (a lucky one at that) and Eduardo scored two. Hleb provided assist to the only goal scored against much stronger opponents. Heard Theo also did well in U21 and set up a goal. Bendtner looked lively when he came on. The best thing’s that everyone’s well and unscathed. Do you guys know how the other guys did?
By: Louisa on September 9, 2007
at 5:41 pm
Louisa, the Dutch sites are raving about RvPs performance for the Oranje against Bulgaria, and he seems to be still fit.
I will be interested to see if DD manages to hold onto his chairmanship of R&W Holdings. Is it possible to invest in a club without owning it? Say in three or four years time.
Jimmy I am not sure whether you are right about the polarised discussion. There are those against DD, but the others including me are neither for or against him.
By: Frank on September 9, 2007
at 5:58 pm
Yeah, I think that’s the point Frank. Not sure what Jimmy has been reading. Howard is obviously against any Dein involvment, but as for myself, I am not concerned either way, were he to be involved, we know him to be a committed at times visionary director. Were he not to be involved, well the current board have operated smoothly for quite some time, so no issues there.
My only point, is the notion that any of this has had a destabilising effect on the club is just incessant lazy media drivel. The media have to target someone and having seen the other incumbents of the top four succumb to foreign ownership, we might be fraught with fear of similar happenings, frozen into inactivity even. This of course is laughable. We are a solid club and the only result of recent ongoings is that we are well guarded against any complacency.
By: danny on September 9, 2007
at 6:11 pm
Amos,
you cannot compare edwards hiring of ferguscum with DD’s hiring of Wenger- the scot was a well known rising manager in the uk with a proven track record (albeit in scotland) but nobody and I mean nobody over here had ever heard of Arsene Wenger before DD brought him to the club.
In response to those of you that say that it is no longer about Arsenal and now its about DD then I agree you are partially right. As you all seem very willing to believe what the papers write I assume you will accept that fiztman has siad that there is no way he will ever sell his shares to anybody associated to DD ? That to me makes it very personal and hardly ties in with fizsman’s concept of doing whats best for the club does it ?
Fact is that Arsene Wenger is and always has been a loyal club-man but I do believe that if the man ever gave an honest opinion on his wishes on this issue he would want DD back and use whatever excuse you want but it isn’t coincidence that he still hasn’t replaced DD(hoping for his return imo). The same people that didnt want a yank owning their club 2 months ago are now saying things like at least kroenke is a sportsman- fact is DD wants back in and like most Gooners I would want his return asap too and while I would prefer if it wasnt with a russian ogliarch I do believe that the return of a proper Arsenal man will only be good for the club
Howard you are clearly a man who knows bugger all about bugger all – you claim dein jnr sold henry to barca ? Forgive me but i thought it was the great arsenal board that sold him for peanuts and this decision was endorsed by no less than wenger. Anyway is events have shown since the transfer it was henry who wanted out in a hurry so he could desert his wife and child so dont give me any of that “dein sold henry” b*ll*x cos its crap and you know it is.
PS Technically to be called a criminal you have to be found guilty of a crime and so far it appears that this russian geezer has never been done over anything
By: augie on September 9, 2007
at 6:28 pm
“PS Technically to be called a criminal you have to be found guilty of a crime and so far it appears that this russian geezer has never been done over anything”
Like it Augie
That should be in keeping with our…..I didn’t see a thing guv’nor.
By: danny on September 9, 2007
at 6:35 pm
Louisa,
Lassana Diarra played right back (I know, another one…) for France against world champions Italy. Newspaper l’Equipe rated him 8/10 and man of the match for France (Thierry Henry got 4/10).
By: Tokala on September 9, 2007
at 6:55 pm
Sounds great! Can’t wait for them to come back and shine in Arsenal shirts, especially Eduardo and RvP!
Fran Merida lost in the U17 World Cup against Nigeria but his performances in the tournament have been superb. Things sound like he’s a left-footed version of Cesc with more steel at a younger age. Just how can great youngsters like Cesc and Clichy still have potential backups/replacements who’re just as promising down the pecking order?!? Arsene does know.
Oh, Jens kept a clean sheet against Wales too… Made like 3 saves in the first half and it (uefa.com min-by-min) sounds like he didn’t have much to do in the second. Hope he’s in the right mood of fighting for his No.1 place in our team when he comes back.
By: Louisa on September 9, 2007
at 7:24 pm
Important point about Man U finances. GBP90m operating profit is good and certainly suggests that he GBP75m odd in interest is affordable. The only problem is that ACTUAL CASH flow is GBP90m minus GBP75m minus GBP24m in capital repayments. Then it doesnt look so good.
By: LB on September 9, 2007
at 7:33 pm
A very well rounded piece today Yogi, excellent stuff. I was a little surprised to be described as a Dein troll yesterday after my entry! I was merely trying to add a little balance to the debate. As in, I think the vast majority of sensible Arsenal fans will be in complete disagreement with what Dein is saying, however, we shouldn’t spit venom in the direction of the people that we were cheering on yesterday. There should be some degree of loyalty and forgiveness. David Dein has the right to have a view regards the best way forward for the club, without being slated as a money-grabbing swine. This man has spent much of his working life waving the flag for our football club, and the foresight to bring in Arsene Wenger should not be forgotten at the drop of a hat. Let’s support the board to the hilt, watch Mr Dein’s actions with caution, but aware some credit for previous good behaviour – there’s time to condemn the man should his actions demand it.
By: hboy on September 9, 2007
at 8:17 pm
Tokata, that is quite amusing! everything i have heard about Diarra tells me that he puts in very solid performances every time. the Chelsea fans were saying it. I think he may be a better buy than we are giving wenger credit for. time will tell, but I think our summer purchases were all top quality. thats all you can ask (except for maybe Ribery!)
I think Henry will have a decent season with Barca but I dont expect him to have 4 decent seasons. they will be paying him 125k per week in 3 years time when he is on the treatment table 90% of the time.
By: gazzap on September 9, 2007
at 8:37 pm
“PS Technically to be called a criminal you have to be found guilty of a crime and so far it appears that this russian geezer has never been done over anything”
Oh come on. What next?
There is no law in Uzbekistan. People are boiled to death, killed for political or business reasons, raped with broken bottles in front of their own families, all with the direct knowledge of very powerful people, or directly done by them, protected by the governent, who does not care about the well being of the citizens and goes ahead violating every possible human right just to defend some dark interests.
Usmanov, despite all this, WAS convicted. He was in prision for 6 years. And was sent free when his friends got enough power again to let him free and, though I don’t remember details, compete with other rival cartels or something like that. You can check it by yourself, do some google research. If you want to delude yourself thinking this guys are not criminals then go ahead. You can also delude yourself and think he is here to benefit the club, though he has even said he’s here for some financial gain on his “portfolio invstments”. I just hope he doesn’t takeover, and if possible that he doesn’t even retain the shares he’s got. Though it’s hard to imagine an honest guy/group getting hold of them. But surely it’s got to be someone better than him.
By: Non Edible Nacho on September 9, 2007
at 9:04 pm
LB
Just a small point but the profit and cashflow are two entirely different things; costs can be charged against profit that do not generate any cash inflow or outflow so the two cannot necessarily be tied in together.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on September 9, 2007
at 9:51 pm
hboy
The man’s actions are already condemnable; after stabbing the Board in the back, offering Arsenal for sale to the highest bidder, he’s now betraying Arsene’s friendship too. Advise him to go home and spend his windfall of over 74 million, the result of increasing value for the Arsenal. The Arsenal is bigger than Dein, it’s an institution with a history no British club can match. It’s the Queen’s club, ‘The Bank of England Club’ yes the Arsenal, it will never be for sale for any billionaire at any cost. MANU, POOL and Chelsea and the res have sold out but we’re different and it won’t happen.
By: Howard on September 9, 2007
at 10:43 pm
That’s fair enough Howard, but does that mean Dein is now the enemy.
Is that not too simplistic?
By: danny on September 9, 2007
at 10:55 pm
YW
The two; cash flow and profitability are two diferent things but low profit or losses arising out OF increasing cost or interest payments will eventually affect cash flow in the long term. So if they’re paying 72m to cover debt administration out of earnings of 90m and yet suspending some interest payment, then with low net income how is MANU going to finance its principal payments. How? ‘cos eventually its profityability that creates cash flow but punitive interest financing is going to place them in a very bad situation in a year or two; I think. ITS A MODEL I PRAY ARSENAL WILL NOT FALL INTO THAT’S WHY I’M TOTALLY AGAINST ANY TAKEOVER OF ANY FORM.
By: Howard on September 9, 2007
at 10:57 pm
Republicans may have a slight difficulty with the position you are adopting Howard. Non English people might also. I have to say I am not keen on being the ‘Bank of England’ club either…are you sure about this???
By: Frank on September 9, 2007
at 11:04 pm
I guess you guys demonstrating that you got A-C in your Financial Accounting GCSE are quite wealthy are you? Whatever you do don’t let the Glazers know all this.
By: Frank on September 9, 2007
at 11:08 pm
There are plenty of “wealthy” people who’ve fucked over sound companies – Worldcom or Enron ring any bells?
By: Hackajack on September 9, 2007
at 11:26 pm
Frank
Sorry you don’t know that the Arsenal is the Queen’s club and also referred to as the Bank of England Club. There is a history behind all that; making Arsenal unique. Even look at the shareholding structure, its been passed on from generations to generations. Frank, your great club has a beautiful history you should be proud of. Whenever you’re at the Emirates, visit the club museum, it will make you love the club more and resist any sale or takeover, I encourage you to do so.
By: Howard on September 10, 2007
at 12:37 am
2touch
ok as your being MORE civil than normal ill respond ..
you said you knew categorically that he wouldn’t sign on June 25th. Turns out, he agreed in mid-June before henry left as osaka jap references in the daily mail article above.
well he didn’t sign on the 25th of june !!…
in fact you know he didn’t sign until 3 MONTHS LATER after dein prompted him too publicly recently. My statement back then was based on dein being out of the picture .. Forever!
(what ever arsene portrays about his relationship with the board it was obvious without dein he WAS GONE and didnt want to stay ! and signing the NO SALE agreement , put it beyond doubt for me !)
AND NO COMMITMENT EVEN UPTO 2 WEEKS AGO FROM WENGER! not sure how he signed in june then ??
and then all the hill-woods and other board members saying arsene WAS CLOSE to finalizing negotiations.. so what osaka is saying is that all the board members were all liars ! and put out ‘wenger is close to signing’ claims constantly even
when they already had his signiture ???..
bolloxs
Also what this states to me is this RED and WHITE will obviously take over the club . OR TRY Too in the future….
As for him signing in june what alot of cobblers.
they might of tried to tapp him up to sign in june..
as the board was MOST PROBABLY as stressed out about it as much as i was !
But you know as well as i do that no signature came until September , and his NON- COMMITTAL
caused constant speculation up until last week !
Also Dein confirmed my fears ! in his latest statements .. And how you can say i was wrong
with dein’s statement stating ‘arsene WASNT GOING TO RE-SIGN ‘! but dein persuaded him to stay …
as far as im concerned in wengers head in april – to june HE DIDNT WANT TO RE-SIGN ..
read it in black and white mate @!@
as for good start to the season !
yes it is a GREAT start off the blocks.. the sort of start the man ure boys had last season ..
but step into reality .. that we havnt even faced a top 6 team yet.. , fixtures have been kind to us not even leaving London for for 12 games or so, i heard. But we can start patting wenger on the back once we have gotten results from liverpool chevs and man ure ..
in the school yard there is nothing to brag about if you beat up the fat kid or the small computer geek !
or a girl even
But if you beat up the school bully ,regularly
then you can say WE ARE TOP DOGS !
frank
dear oh dear oh dear !
By: ethangoon on September 10, 2007
at 3:16 am
Also in general its nice to speculate on the board – wenger and dein issues ,but the reality of the situation is too much cloak and dagger stuff happens behind closed doors
to really know with any certainty of ANY outcome until its on the bbc news or arsenal .com.. speculate in vain all you want guys .. But the truth is unless you own a crystal ball ,its all wasted breath ..
one thing that rings true to me is that some Russian wouldn’t pay 75 mil for DD’s shares and then goto the trouble of setting up a business called ‘RED AND WHITE’ , if they were not
going to TRY AND MOUNT a takeover !!!
think about it ! .. put dein as chairman ? whyelse ..
red and white post offices???
i think not !
its pretty obvious to me,colors permitting what is taking place,
but i wont speculate without proof anymore as its hard for some of you to follow !
By: ethangoon on September 10, 2007
at 3:33 am
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By: Lehmann vs. Almunia is on! « Arsenalist on September 10, 2007
at 4:23 am
frank
as for DD’s selling his shares then remaining
as chairman for 3 or 4 year .. Its pretty obvious to me ,he sold the shares to get the Russian on board in partnership and backing.. Then with his 75 million wind fall , he will buy more shares and collectively they have 30% for a takeover!!!!!!!
It makes sense to do it that way as he can assert influence due WHO HE IS .. and scrape up shares with minor share holders and major one’s alike ..
I will be very surprised if he doesn’t get more shares with the money he got from selling them in the 1st place !
lets face it .. it would be hard for the Russian to get 15+ % of the club under his belt currently, DD definitely has more chance to grab more shares just due to his influence alone !!
By: ethangoon on September 10, 2007
at 6:32 am
There’s nothing wrong with some fact based speculation but it is quite a leap to say that Wenger only signed because Dein told him to. Wenger can’t expect that Deins backers can take control of the club anytime soon though that is clearly their desire. The existing board control too many shares for this to happen and they seem equally determined not to let Dein in so Wenger would have signed the contract on the balance of probability that Dein may never be in a position to exert any control over the club.
Wengers relationship with the board and other Directors is stronger than some posts indicate and his commitment to Dein weaker.
By: Amos on September 10, 2007
at 6:52 am
Howard, Sorry I did not see your response.
I do know that the club is referred to as the ‘Bank of England’ club. A term which I find out-dated and certainly is not the reason for me to support Arsenal. That is because I spent my early years living with grandparents on Holloway Roard and my father is an Arsenal fan. The Queen has mentioned Arsenal becuase her mother used to fancy Denis Compton, much as my sister supported Chelsea becuase she fancied Alan Hudson. My point is that most supporters will have no affinity for either the Bank of England or the Queen. Plus the fact that PHW is an Eton boy is a turn off for me. I support the club despite these things, not because of them.
By: Frank on September 10, 2007
at 7:10 am
Howard, I think Arsene Wenger is old enough to choose his own friends. I’m quite sure we won’t have seen the last of Arsene’s friendship with DD, regardless of how the fans are reading this as abusing his friendship. Will it tell us anything about whether Arsene supports a takeover or not?, I’m certain it won’t. I’m sure their friendship is beyond a disagreement on the future of football.
One further thing I would say in DD’s defence, is this thing about him selling up and making all this money. I feel it’s a little harsh to acuse him of cashing-in, because I don’t know what else he could do in his position. He needed/wanted to be part of a bigger investment group, he did not have the money himself to transform Arsenal’s financial future in the way that he wants, his only bargaining tool was the shares he could sell. The media story says that he wanted to maintain a share holding himself but couldn’t swing that with any investors, so settled for the chairman (red and white) role.
One thing is for sure, he wants power and position at Arsenal, and without a share holding himself now, that desire would appear to be entirely borne out of his interest in the club, rather than profit. I think he loves the power games, he clearly loved his position within the FA and G14, and I think restoring himself to such positions is his goal. I certainly felt the club had a strong hand when DD was in those positions, Edelman isn’t a mover and shaker, so it could be of mutual interest.
By: hboy on September 10, 2007
at 7:56 am
It’d be of mutual interest of DD and the Board could find some kinda common ground. But apparently that’s not likely to happen.
If anyone’s ready to give DD the benefit of the “doubt”, go ahead. But IMHO he’s really dangerously close to getting “proven guilty” by bringing in someone like Usmanov. If some of you guys don’t think so, despite the glaring evidence, guess I’d just leave it at that. Time will tell, and soon.
It’d be really interesting to see (a) how the results pan out and how people react to that, and (b) what Stan Kroenke’s plans are in view of all this.
For the coming weekend, let’s hope the guys continue their internaitonal duties without getting into trouble. If they come back unscathed (thank God weirdo Domenech didn’t play Gallas), I think we’re on the right track to get 3 points at WHL. It sounds like Gardner, Bent and Lennon are coming back in time but I don’t think they’d make an impact straightaway even if they do come back on 15th as planned. Your thoughts?
By: Louisa on September 10, 2007
at 8:10 am
Iits obvious dein feels the ‘Chelsea prototype’ , is the one that is needed (right down to the Russian investor)thats pretty obvious as he lost his position on the board due to the stance.
And i’m sure before the 3 years of Wengers contract is up DD will be the new chairman of arsenal ..
They might even attempt to get krankies shares off him , in fact I’m 99% sure that will be the ‘ plan of attack’ .plus grab 3 or 4 % of the fringe shareholders and that will put him in the drivers seat to mount the take over with over 30%.
Also its all your speculation that dd and wengers friendship is strained . I’m sure they both knew the master plan all along ,i feel wenger must know the
future direction of the takeover, as earlier he stated he didn’t feel comfortable signing a new deal due to all the speculation of takeovers and where he sees himself if one did occur,but then dd sells his shares ,makes his intentions heard and asks arsene to re-sign ..and within the week wenger signs.. Not so fearful now is he???
come on people .. open up your eyes..
By: ethangoon on September 10, 2007
at 8:37 am
Amos
it shows you Arsene is still onside when it comes to DD stance on the direction of the club, if he was so brutally opposed to DD’s view i’m sure he would of let the speculation about his future continue the further 9 months he still had to go on his contract ,whilst he sat back and observed how the cards fell…
Something has recently made him choose to sign a new deal , and the only new thing that has happened recently is DD’s red and white .
it s 2+2 = 4 too me ,but like i said speculating on
the board,directors and takeovers is just too bigger leap for anyone to presume with certainty
By: ethangoon on September 10, 2007
at 9:12 am
You can read these things in different ways. The fact that Arsene was willing to sign the deal now rather than wait 9 months shows only his commitment to the club and the team rather than any individual. If he had wanted to use his contract situation to strengthen Deins hand he could have done so. He chose not too and in signing the contract earlier than intended he helped the existing board significantly. The club is now more stable than at anytime since Dein left. Dein is no longer a shareholder merely the representative of a shareholder. Arsene knows that Deins mates can’t take control of the club unless the existing board allows them to. I think that the club eventually will continue under multiple ownership. As long as Dein retains his interest in his Russian partners and more importantly, they in him, he can eventually build enough of a stake to have more influence but not overall control. If Kroenke is as disenchanted with Dein as is reported that can also only limit Deins chances still further. But who knows what the truth is. What you can say for certain for the moment is that the present board holds enough cards to ensure that no-one can take control against their will. Arsene knows that and I suspect, for the present, he is comfortable in that knowledge.
By: Amos on September 10, 2007
at 9:46 am
hboy, I don’t share your opinion on these two points.
you said: “I feel it’s a little harsh to acuse him of cashing-in, because I don’t know what else he could do in his position.”
I don’t accuse DD of money-grabbing, just for now. But what can DD do as a R&W charman? R&W is 50-50 co-owned by the Russian and Iranian. DD won’t have a chace to whinge if the duo owners want him to go.
and you said: “One thing is for sure, he wants power and position at Arsenal, and without a share holding himself now, that desire would appear to be entirely borne out of his interest in the club, rather than profit”
I wonder what you would say about Fiszman if he did the same like DD did. Also, without a share under DD’s name, DD won’t even have chance to say a thing in AGM, let along to sit in the board room. The fact is that DD just SOLD his most powerful and only weapon to a Usmanov. I think you put too much stock on DD’s character and foresight. I am afraid you’ll be dissapointed as time goes by, just like other Dein’s believers.
By: draco on September 10, 2007
at 3:06 pm
Ethan: having 30% of the shares only puts you in a situation to make a takeover BID, but the rest of the shareholders should agree with that and sell their shares to you for that to happen. So even if the uzbeks get 30% of the shares (they’re quite far away from that thankfully) there would still be a looong way to go for a takeover, not to talk about your dreams of DD being chairman, which are even further away.
By: Non Edible Nacho on September 10, 2007
at 4:26 pm
great response danny, i could not agree more.
By: ablog on September 13, 2007
at 7:29 am
great o hear someone talking about football matters rather than internal club affairs. This situation as we all know is not helped by endless speculation by the media and us fans. When it boils down to it we wont have a say in who takes charge of the club, however im confident that in a few years time we will be in the same position with the board remaining the same and hopefully DD being owsted as he no longer has power and holds no clout when it comes to club affairs im sure the russian and iranian will grow frustrated over the next few years when their vigilantee type plan falls on its arse.
By: ablog on September 13, 2007
at 7:47 am