The subject of money reared its ugly little head at the weekend, largely thanks to the Chairman’s programme notes which once again made it clear that if Arsene wanted to spend, the money was there. That he has not is his choice. Well, perhaps not; he may well have tried to sign the odd player but been either put off by the price quoted (probably a lot higher with Henry’s departure so the assumption was that we were floating in cash as very little had been spent by that point) or rebuffed by the players themselves, the thrill of getting higher wages elsewhere may have been too much to refuse. Whatever the reasons, the squad currently is what it is.
The problem is that everyone else has been outspending Arsenal this summer, from the bottom to the top, which tends to blind us to what is going on with those transfers. The amounts spent are phenomenal. In England it is expected to exceed £300m this Summer which is already lagging behind Spain where El Pais calculated that the Primera Division Clubs had spent €420m with still more than a fortnight left of the transfer window. This on the day that Barcelona reportedly told Milan to come back with their £40m in 2008 for Ronaldinho and negotiations can begin.
The money machine has a tendency to drive you mad. Either you are on the outside looking in, waiting for the Club of your choice to sign that one player you desperately want (or maybe it is more) or else you are on the inside looking out, happy with the activity but quietly concerned about how much is being spent and how it is being paid for.
Once you get outside the Top Four, there are serious questions to be asked about how it is being funded. The new broadcasting revenues have brought in even more money to flow into football’s coffers, the next one will probably be higher as Setanta look to challenge Sky even more. Those who fear that the bubble will burst and collapse is imminent only then have to look to the World Cup in 2018 and if that comes to England, the stakes get raised even further.
But for Arsenal supporters, it seems to be passing by; we are like the Hedgehog at the side of a motorway waiting to find that elusive gap in the traffic to reach the other side without being flattened onto the Tarmac. Not having spent much, in the eyes of some nothing of note at all, we appear to be drifiting out of the race, despite the fact that we are one of the teams who started the season with maximum points. The desire for new faces is tangible; easy fodder for the scurrilous to make up their stories of imminent signings to grab your attention – Boruc for £6m, Pedersen £7m were the ones to re-emerge at the weekend. Unfortunately for us, the Club’s policy on transfers is to rarely comment beforehand, preferring to do the business quietly, fanfares at the appointed hour once ink is dry on contracts.
The question is though, will one player make a significiant enough difference to the squad? Will bringing in a left sided midfielder ensure a challenge is made? Or will their presence bring about an imbalance to the team? I said before the season started that a Left Winger would give us another option. Who would make way can sometimes be irrelevant, injuries and suspensions enforcing changes as we well know. The fundamental issue with a left sided player though is that the bodies have to be in the box. On Sunday, I am unconvinced that such a player would have changed the game. Whilst we got bodies into the box on more occasions than in the past, there were still a large number of occasions when we did not leaving RvP isolated.
Despite being the greatest season in the Club’s history, The Invincibles have created a millstone for Arsene. He has shown the heights to which the Club can go, the gap between then and now for some is unbridgable. Yet no-one has come close to achieving it since, the Champions still lose the same number of games as before that squad. The players in that team were peaking or already had done so. Rare indeed for this to occur all at once. What happens now is that we aspire to that level. Perhaps Arsene should have replaced with equally talented players. Perhaps he should have broken the bank on the off-chance that we might have retained the title. Or the Champions League. Perhaps the Stadium should not have been built, leaving Highbury to fund the ongoing spending, trying to keep up with rest of the big spenders. At some point that team was going to be broken up and rebuilt. It has happened now; we have a new Stadium ahead of the rest, the building blocks are already in place. We knew this ‘hardship’ was coming upon us; no-one can say that it was unforeseen. What Le Boss has dones is put us in a better position for the future than if he had left it for say another two seasons, holding onto Vieira when his heart was patently not in it, turned by Madrileno promises. As for new players,I thought Vieira had been replaced with Fabregas, more of a threat going forward and as each season progresses, more of a presence in the centre of midfield but the partnership with Gilberto is moving onto an equally impressive level. Henry? Irreplaceable in his peak, injuries and demeanour mean that he is replaceable now. However, Arsene has chosen his tried and tested route of signing lesser-name players rather than spending big. And that is no guarantee of success. Neither is signing a big name; football’s history is littered with big money failures. Nothing is set in stone; a manager signing a player is putting faith in him, and himself, to get it right.
And therein lies the rub; supporting a team requires blind faith at times. For some, understandably, nerves take over and the faith gets questioned and there is nothing wrong in that. Present it as fact and that is when the problems begin. But with one game gone, the opening day of the season, is it not a little premature to write the team off?























i think money is killing football
By: joefootball on August 14, 2007
at 8:38 am
and arsenal have done well not to spend
clubs like Chelsea and man city do nothing but kill the game
however i do hope man city do well
although i cant see it happening, id rather arsenal win the EPL than any one else .. and Arsene must be given credit for being able to develop all them young players into stars without spending big
By: joefootball on August 14, 2007
at 8:42 am
we just wanna see great football….
By: Rio Abdullah on August 14, 2007
at 8:52 am
The key to whether or not to buy is to know how many injuries there will be in the season and how long they will last.
This is impossible to predict and for all Wengers statistics he does not seem to be able to get a handle on how many Arsenal seem to pick up. Maybe he has decided that we will have few this year as we have had so many in the past and it’s our turn to be injury free, but to me this will be the reason again whether we have a good season or an average one.
If we loose a player up front and in the middle for a couple of months it’s not going to effect us but 2 or 3 up front out wide or at the back and we are too thin. But this has to be weighed up against having good players sitting on the bench or not even there for weeks at a time because what this team needs is a core of players playing week in, week out so that they get that telepathic understanding that the invincables had which made tham so good.
To me it is now too late to bring in any onenew but I won’t mind if a winger is found, but I think it will happen in January.
By: Lancealittle on August 14, 2007
at 8:54 am
Actually if you want to use your hedgehog-by-the-side-of-the-road analogy what Wenger’s done (like ecologically minded local councils) is build a tunnel under the carriageway. We will get to the other side, plenty of others will end up as roadkill.
By: Hackajack on August 14, 2007
at 8:57 am
i agree that money has an adverse effect; how bad no one knows. Whether there will be another Leeds type episode is left to be seen. Chelsea, last season in my opinion lost the title because it had too much money. Let me explain. They created a team of 22 prima donnas on the field and another large group of prima donna ( hangers-on) off the field. That type of in-fighting is good to hear especially for us non-Chelsea supporters, but it must be terrible for them. Well, the amount of money spent by clubs is frightening, especially,if you add the inflated salaries given to average players. A number of these clubs are creating their own band of prima donnas. This circus will challenge Hollywood stars for the tabloid limelight.
If Arsenal wins something big this year it will show to the world that a sensibly managed club could still be a force to reckon with. It will bring some sanity back to football.
By: charlie on August 14, 2007
at 9:09 am
Guys i have never said anything against Arsene as i think he is the best thing to have happened to our great club ever, but i feel i have to in respect that i have just heard that he never even said a word to Gilberto when he arrived at the training groung that he was no longer required as captain. If this is true i think it a very poor show and if i was Gilberto i would feel deeply hurt that i was cast over for a player who lets face it has been mouthing off ever since he arrived. At the very least Arsene could have said a few words prior to announcing his decision. To his credit Gilberto has said he is going to get on with it regardless but i cant help think my initial reaction to award the armband to Gallas was to keep him happy is looking fairly accurate. I feel for Gilberto.
By: veteran on August 14, 2007
at 9:16 am
As with all football fans Im pretty sure us Arsenal fans would love to see the board splashing out £40 million for Ronaldhino and the like. It gives a nice warm glow when the club signs a “big name” I remember the day well when we signed Charlie Nicholas – he could have gone anywhere – but he chose the bright lights of London and Arsenal in particular. I remember fondly reading my Panini sticker album and seeing that Highbury had the biggest capacity of all the league groundsin England and Scotland at 60,000. It seemed right to be supporting the “biggest” team and even better they were my “local” team.
Well it seems we have a choice to make – we could go back to the old days and splash out on big name Charlies and pray that we win enough to cover the fees and wages or we can slowly plod along and create the next superstar a la Viera, Henry etc. and have financial stablility. I cant say I would be relishing the position Leeds United are in now? and that all stemmed from overspending – remember its not that long since they were Champions League Semi finalists??
We have an impressive new stadium – we have some fine young talent coning through and even in a transition season, where Henry and RVP were injured for half of it, we still managed a creditible fourth spot?
I, for one, am happy to let Arsene and the board go along with their business in the quiet, efficient manner of the last few years.
Remember, Liverpool – Chelsea and Manchester United are all in as much if not more debt than Arsenal without the added security of a brand new stadium – it is estimated that when Liverpool build theres the extra debt will mean repayments of over £40 million per year in interest alone – thats more than they can earn by winning the champions league every year??
Also, these clubs are owned by “foreign” investors. At a guess I would imagine if things got too tough for Gilet/Hicks, Glazier or Abramovich it would be easier for them to walk away and return quietly to their homelands and put that nasty “English football experience” behind them while the banks sell the grounds. (Well, maybe not Abramovich – dont think Putin will be welcoming him home with open arms – lol)
BEWARE!!
By: Draan on August 14, 2007
at 9:17 am
Et tu YW.
“Perhaps Arsene should have replaced with equally talented players”
but with whom & at what cost?
Agree with most of what you say though.
Joe- football as we knew it is dead. What we have is different but still enjoyable, although the comparison is a whole new debate.
That is it Lance, you can have so many players that it becomes a problem. Overall we have more quality players than ever before. Don’t forget our 2nd string not only beat but outplayed several PL teams in the CC run.
That is not to say that if the right player is obtainable that he shouldn’t come. I think there is something in the pipeline.
Great stuff Hackajack – it will interesting to see who gets flattened.
By: Flint McCullough on August 14, 2007
at 9:21 am
Yes Veteran if that is true about Gilberto the situation was not handled correctly.
You are right Draan.
Champagne Charlie gave us a lift when the club was at a low ebb. That was worth more, at that time, than what he actually did on the pitch.
You make very perspective points.
By: Flint McCullough on August 14, 2007
at 9:31 am
A season or two down the line we’ll truly understand what the effects of all this money gushing around will be; I wager we’ll be praising Arsene for his prudence then.
That said, the reported handling of the captaincy issue by Arsene leaves a bad taste in the mouth. A word to Gilberto was basic minimum courtesy, not to mention necessary respect to a fine professional.
You can, and should, do better Arsene.
By: Karthic on August 14, 2007
at 9:36 am
Thank you Yogi
Don’t like this good post Yogi phenomena you’ve started. It’s like you’ve joined a cult, but that was fair and surely in a manner the doubters can comprehend. Maybe, I would like you to be more cutting and dismissive but then you would not be Lord Yogi.
I salute you. Or bow or whatever it we do here!
By: danny on August 14, 2007
at 9:40 am
For Gods sake. If Gilberto really chose the Daily Star to make his feelings public then he does not deserve to be captain. Of course the point is he didn’t make the quote or it has been misquoted, or taken out of context…these guys just use a yellow highlighter and pick out the words and phrases which create a ’story’.
Still doesn’t stop the bloggers wanting it to be true so that they can uise it as a stick to beat AW with does it…pathetic.
You know there really is something inherently negative and slightly twisted about blogging isn’t there? All of this stuff put out by the so-called press and nmedia gains currency through blog-sites, with no validation, verification. The internet really is becoming a pile of stinking swill.
By: Frank on August 14, 2007
at 9:51 am
This is my first reply on this website. As usual I enjoy reading your articles every morning. Keep up the good work YW.
By: Naz on August 14, 2007
at 10:04 am
Lets get behind this team and support them… I am fed up of reading moans by some Arsenal fans all over the web. The fact of the matter is our team did not lose over the weekend. I was also a bit worried earlier this summer but then when I seen the belief and faith this team has in themselves… it changed me. I am going to stand by this team no matter what happens and I am not going to moan about the lack of spending. The last thing this team needs is “moaning fans” worried about the lack of spending. Even the media wants us to break down and aren’t we helping them by “crying” about this lack of spending. We have one of the worlds best managers leading the team and we should have faith in his capabilities. He knows what he is doing. Let us as fans do what we do best… get behind the team and cheer them on through all the wins and even the losses.
By: widowspeak on August 14, 2007
at 10:11 am
If what Gilberto has said about the Captaincy and how he found out about it is true, then yes, Arsene, has boobed in not having a quiet word with Gilberto beforehand.
At the same time – and this may be an excuse – Arsene may have been so bogged down with his ever increasing caseload that he simply overlooked something (speaking to Gilberto about the Captaincy) that he would normally have got right 100% of the time.
Either way, it’s good that Gilberto isn’t going to make a big deal about it, and I hope Arsene now apologies to him, privately, to solidify squad moral.
These things happen.
By: Magneto on August 14, 2007
at 10:13 am
And if it’s a case that Bert is disappointed he has not been named Captain…..good!
He should be and then he should pick himself up.
By: danny on August 14, 2007
at 10:17 am
agree with magento, if wenger has made a mistake he needs to go to Gilberto and apologise. Gilberto is an important player to Arsenal and it would be disrespectful to never have spoken to him about the captaincy situation.
with regards to the spending I think there has to be a middle ground. I dont want us spending 30m a season (net) on players because after a few years of that the club would be on its knees. but we have made a profit this summer from transfers and the board said about 6 months ago that wenger has about 10-12m to spend on transfers per season. add those together and wenger has about 17m to spend. thing is I predict wenger wants to spend a fair whack of that in January, possibly on Modric. what does that leave him with now to spend. I would say just under 10m. so buying Queresma for 17m is out of the question. Pedersen for 7m plus flamini might be an option though. But overall, wenger is managing his budget in the right way.
By: gazzap on August 14, 2007
at 10:29 am
I have to say another great article. Really am enjoying your blogs, definitely my favourite Arsenal site. Keep up the good work!
By: JJ Gooner on August 14, 2007
at 10:30 am
Off topic: This goes to show how quickly things change in football. Wesley Snjeider said that we will stay for one more year at Ajax. Next thing I read he has signed for Real Madrid for 18+ million.
By: Naz on August 14, 2007
at 11:02 am
But what else was Sneider supposed to say?
He was being a good pro by saying he would stay at Ajax – but if Real Madrid come knocking with £18M then neither the player or club would say no.
By: Matt on August 14, 2007
at 11:10 am
I agree with you on that.
By: Naz on August 14, 2007
at 11:24 am
Flint
Amazing what a missed part of a paragraph can do to alter the meaning of the rest.
Apologies all; part of this morning’s post got lost so has been added in blue.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on August 14, 2007
at 11:31 am
YW, The press do it all the time. The bit in blue makes all the difference.
By: Frank on August 14, 2007
at 11:35 am
Well said Frank. We can’t presume to know what really goes on behind closed doors at Arsenal and should know by now how often the press concoct a story out of nothing.
Regardless of how the news was broken, Gallas will make a better captain than Gilberto. There are times when players aren’t pulling their weight and need a good kick up the arse. We need a captain who isn’t afraid to get in the face of team mates and sort them out. Adams and Vieira did it, Keane did it for years at United, Terry does it at Chelsea, though it’s getting difficult for him now with all the prima donnas.
Gallas will do it for us at Arsenal. I have the highest respect for Gilberto as a player and person but he is too nice to be a good captain.
By: Neil Y on August 14, 2007
at 11:43 am
this obsession with “lets not spend money” and be like chelsea and man utd is so ridiculus. why did we build the new stadium in the first place? to get more money and compete with the big teams in europe!!!! there is a very good reason we are behind chelsea and man utd, because chelsea have spent obsene money in the short term and utd are a BIGGER AND WEALTHIER” club in the long run. we seem to be frinally gaining some financial benefits from the stadium and people are saying let’s not spend that money we have earned to make us better, god forbid we might actually get better this year!!!! unbelievable how some people wants us to close the gap, the cheek and disloyalty of it all!! as for gilberto, gallas was a crap decision and if he didn’t tell him face to face, then obvioulsly very poor management.
By: dan on August 14, 2007
at 12:03 pm
I’m not sure about winning the league and all that but I think Arsene has set up Arsenal to be in the top four for the next ten years or more. We’ve got quality now and more growth to come. We’ve got younger players at other clubs and even younger future stars coming from even further away. We might not win anything, like last season, but we’re probably going to be in the mix for a long time.
Arsenal is kind of like a good business. We are steadily growing and have assured our future growth. Arsenal shares are pretty much the only premiership shares to have been worth buying when all the clubs went public because we’ve kept it steady.
I have to say though I’d love to win something! Anything!
In contrast you have Chelsea, Man City and the like. When their big sugar daddy goes will they be able to keep it going? When Abramovich goes will Chelsea still be the force they are now?
By: tagertux on August 14, 2007
at 12:07 pm
p.s. this is one of the best blogs on any subject anywhere. Continual quality. A bit like the Frenchman himself.
Congrats!
Can you tell us though who is in your Fantasy Football team this year? (Assuming you have one?)
By: tagertux on August 14, 2007
at 12:13 pm
Thanks YW for another great article.
I believe I touched on the issue of money in the game in a previous article and with all seriousness when you have a player claiming that they want £100k a week and are not a regular in their own team it bodes poorly indeed for the state of the game. Still in this case West Ham will probably still meet that players demands when push comes to shove. The idea that we have a club or clubs flirting with a future reminiscent of Leeds United is not far fetched. KPMG who audit various clubs have already stated that many in the top flight are already increasing their overdrafts and this in a season where even more TV revenue has become available. The simple fact is that the prise to stay in the top flight is leaving many of the money men running around doing what they feel they must to compete, that many risk the future of their clubs in these gambles is obvious. I understand that over 60% is the average of all clubs when it comes to paying player wages versus total revenue not net but at a gross level. My point is that Arsenal’s policy to date under Wenger has always been to bring a player in and make them a star, it isn’t always going to happen but when/if they do make it we also seem to let them go when their best years are behind them. I applaud both Wenger and the club for the efforts they have made to bring Arsenal Football Club in to the future. The road ahead will not always be paved with gold but we are passionate fans that dream of glory and our club. My personal belief is that under the stewardship of Wenger and the Arsenal board we will see a brighter future built on sustainable grow and revenue than almost every other club whether in England or the world.
By: Toronto Gunner on August 14, 2007
at 12:23 pm
Wenger normally a diplomat and gentleman has made a big boob not informing Gilberto in advance, this should be put right NOW.
The stadium was for us to compete financially with the bigger teams obviously this doesnt now include Chelsea. But that hasnt happened, some players slipped through our fingers, Malouda, Babel etc.
Blackburn will be a big test of how the team has improved, we won the match last year with a great goal by Henry , the ECL, and Fa cup will be good for us if we get lucky with the draw.
By: solgooner on August 14, 2007
at 12:31 pm
More tosh Dan,
Where you have got the “let’s not spend money” phrase to strengthen your argument, nobody knows! No one is saying that and have tried very hard to make their points in a concise way as to muster something you could understand.
Instead of reading and assessing these comments. You blindly, seemingly merrily suggest we are all here standing saying do not spend a dime. No one has said that, so understand the full weight of opinion rather than making up the opposing angle to your own argument.
At the moment, you are having a discussion with yourself.
By: danny on August 14, 2007
at 12:32 pm
dan, its not that we have an obsession with not spending money but we dont know what will happen to Man U or Liverpool in 5 or 10 years. In all seriousness they could be up shit creek financially. not saying they will, but they could have some very lean years ahead and if they do have to tighten their belts and lose ground on the top 3 clubs there’s a chance they will never come back – look at Leeds. how much interest do you think Glazer is paying back every year? his business model is close to meltdown. they need to keep winning things to stay on course but in football nothing is guaranteed. I understand Man U lost 14,000 season ticket holders this season due to the price increases. they dont have a significant waiting list now either. If fans beleive they can get tickets fairly easily without having a season ticket then they wont bother and unattractive games will not sell out.
chelsea are different. they have all the money in the world and will outspend any team in the world over a 5 year period. we cannot look at what they are doing. In the medium term chelsea are the only team that will have more money to spend than us, but it would be daft for us to go into deep debt in 2007.
By: gazzap on August 14, 2007
at 12:45 pm
Yes , the bit in blue clarifies the situation somewhat.
It is hard for the “instants” to understand unfortunately.
By: Flint McCullough on August 14, 2007
at 12:51 pm
Well, unfortunately it has been a big money year with a lot of Premiership clubs getting fleeced because of the common knowledge of Sky’s tele revenue. Also given the strength of the pound around the Globe, trickle down economics is a reality.
That being said, Schneider is off to Real and now Van Der Vaart appears to be going to Valencia. Wenger could really be shooting himself in the foot especially is we get injuries, and we most likely will.
By: Begeegs on August 14, 2007
at 1:00 pm
danny,
it is you who has not read what i and many others have consistantly said. and it is very simple the current squad in my opinion is not strong enough to win the championship, in the past few years we didn’t have the money and therefore the strategy wenger had was understandable, but now according to the club and manager, there is money to improve the squad we have nd that we arenow reapig benefits of the new stadium, i am not and never have suggested they should spend money they do not have. however this summer on the back of a very poor premiership year in which wenger himself said was not good enough and that he admitted he needed to strenthen the squad we simpy haven’t done it. we need a couple of players that is it, i am not asking for 5 new players.
if someone in may asked you whether you would be happy to start the new season, minus TH, Freddie, Ali, Bap, Reyes and Djourou and was bringing in Sagna and Eduardo, i would be very surprised that you would admit to being satisfied with that.
By: dan on August 14, 2007
at 1:33 pm
“this obsession with “lets not spend money” and be like chelsea and man utd is so ridiculus [sic]. why did we build the new stadium in the first place?”
One thing at a time, please. While you’re right that the stadium is supposed to give the Arsenal a chance to compete with the big clubs, it does incurs debt which has to be paid if not first, then primordially. To add player debt on top of it is not prudent. In fact I happen to agree with Arsene that the players market is overvalued and it’s probably not necessary to add “names” to the Arsenal. The way things have been done at the club for ten years is to “make” the names in house. Ultimately it’s just as good on the field and the value added to the bottom line is considerable.
It’s possible that Arsene might spot a player in the market that he can’t “make” or replicate and who would add value to his system. In that case I think he would put whatever money is necessary to get the player. He proved that willingness with Jeffers, Wiltord, Reyes, Baptista (first time around) and Theo. But more often than not, he will spot a player before most and will try to get him. Sometimes he’s successful (Cesc), other times, for whatever reason, he’s not (Ronaldinho Gaucho, Makelele, Czech). But he does see them, and that’s why he can short circuit the market.
Yogi, this blog has supplanted a certain other eloquent (if a bit profane) Arsenal weblog as the prerequisite morning football related reading. As someone who struggles to write something meaningful everyday, I see your work as nothing short of prodigious. Keep it up.
By: Idiot on August 14, 2007
at 1:42 pm
I agree in general with the view let the board and AW choose who they want. I seem to notice that managers like Sam seem to be buying up the almost use by date players or am I reading that wrong. If memory serves me right we had to do that once, we needed a centre forward who could put the ball in the back of the net and purchased such a man he lasted about one season but saved us from the drop. We even spent 36000 pounds one of the highest fees paid in the 1960’s for a player called Mel Charles he was the younger brother of John Charles, what a flop he was. What I am trying to say sometimes when you in really trouble you have to spend, whereas the position we are in we don’t have to spend we have the players and if you read Bould remarks we have a fine stable coming in. All achieved under the stewardship of AW. (IMO).
By: Old Timer on August 14, 2007
at 1:43 pm
idiot, (sorry sounds rude)
there is nothing to suggest that the acqusition of a couple players would be adding extra debt on the club. if that was the case i would agree with you. but again the club have consistantly said ( i think to appease the fans and put the onus on wenger) that they are in a good financial situation and that he has the money to improve the squad. that doesn’t mean he needs to spend 20m on one established player, it could mean 3 sagna/ eduardo style signings, that i would be more happy with. numerically we have less players than last year and look how we struggled then, let alone losing 3 players in the middle of the season to the ANC. we are in the first week of the season playing a huge champions league game and we already are missing, ade, eduardo, gilberto and supossedly diaby and denilson from sunday (although that is not confirmed). soon we will be playing two games a week, all i say is we need more. players.
By: dan on August 14, 2007
at 2:08 pm
dan you maybe right however I think that AW has sent out Djourou to toughen up his skills and has the possibility(maybe wrong there) of bringing Vela and Merida back in with Djourou in Janurary. I know it said they were being sent out for the season but perhaps he has a clause that means he can tap into their loan and bring them back. I know we look thin on the ground however how many player changes did Man U make last season? In our double year we played almost 66 games with a change(don’t quote me). I just think we re going down the right path and at the end of the season one of us will be right. (hope its me but that is what football is all about, hey?)
By: Old Timer on August 14, 2007
at 2:31 pm
we are one player down where we lost reyes/bap but never replaced them. I think that is the position wenger is working hard to replace now. I will wait until 1 Sep to comment further, but should there be no change then I do feel the squad is a little thin. I guess also Djourou is a loss but seeing as we can recall him at any time it does not count. I feel our first 11 (maybe first 15 as well) is fine as long as we can get them all out there playing and not in the physio room. its when you have a couple of injuries in the same position that you really feel it.
By: gazzap on August 14, 2007
at 2:39 pm
obviously we all hope you are right!!! i can not see merida and vela coming back mid year and even if they do how much of a role are they realistically going to play? i can see the logic of the djourou loan it just could leave us very short in the meantime with a couple of injuries. i would be disappointed to see gilberto playing at centre back, i don’t think it worked well last year and we need him in the middle.
By: dan on August 14, 2007
at 2:41 pm
gazzap,
you are correct, look at sundays bench, it was not very inspiring. besides bendtner who did very well and will hopefully see lots of action sooner rather than later.
By: dan on August 14, 2007
at 2:43 pm
I can see your ideas about possible a player for the left side of the field, and I am sure if that is necessary then AW will fill that hole. With most of the other clubs having spent big including the overseas teams AW may have the market largely to himself. The man is a genius,(and sorry will be the day he goes, which I hope will be many years to come) and as I have already stated he will when the time is right produce the goods. His body language and oral presentation however suggests he has everything under control; and as a blind follower I am prepared to follow his line.
By: Old Timer on August 14, 2007
at 2:52 pm
Looking at the players unavailable for wednesday (and on sunday) – Eduardo,Ade,Diaby,Denilson,Gilberto – I have to agree that the squad still looks a little thin…we cannot expect an injury-free season as this first week illustrates. I have hope though that Arsene is trying to bring one other player in.
By: Tokala on August 14, 2007
at 3:04 pm
yes if flam or cesc gets injured during the game then Song has to play. I dont suppose anyone knows when Diaby or denilson are due back do they??
By: gazzap on August 14, 2007
at 3:17 pm
i feel much better knowing that diaby and denilson were injured and that flam had not suddenly worked his way up the pecking order to 3rd place. ( which i still pray is not the case)
By: dan on August 14, 2007
at 3:27 pm
Look at those absentees yet we can still put out a very decent side.
Fortunately I think that they are not supposed to be long term.
We have much more cover than most, including Man U & Chelsea, especially if we do yet get another 1 or 2 in.
It is this that makes the transfer window so stupid.
You can double cover everyone by overloading your squad. This is expensive & can deny good players time on the pitch elsewhere, if you have no injuries.
Then when you have a devastating number of injuries you cannot recruit. Ridiculous.
By: Flint McCullough on August 14, 2007
at 3:28 pm
Flamini actually played very well on Sunday – but i agree he is not the long term answer..
Appiah is available, and would love to play for us – and would be reasonably priced.
Apart from that – i am bored of saying it – ANELKA!!!
Please Arsene…..
By: Matt on August 14, 2007
at 3:42 pm
dear blogger ,
to say that every great team of stars at their peak will be followed by season/s of trophyless drought is to make a managers job meaningless .
a managers job is to rear talent alongside stars . its an ongoing process. there is obviously someting that we dont know going on here . it is clear that no manager would want to go trophy less and on the verge of being out of the top four( last season) . PHW is probably lying when he says arsene has all the money to spend . with all the coomotion in the press about an impending change of hands at the club he wants to calm things down .
By: govinda keshavdas on August 14, 2007
at 3:47 pm
he may buy a winger but i can not see him buying a forward.
By: dan on August 14, 2007
at 3:48 pm
Govinder
I did not say that every season after a trophy is a drought – fact is that we have not retained the League since the 1930’s so history is against us.
As for your comments about PHW, I presume you have evidence of his supposed duplicity?
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on August 14, 2007
at 4:11 pm
By your criteria I can’t think of a single long or even medium term success as a manager, Govinda.
Not in a major competitive European league anyway.
Perhaps you can enlighten us?
By: Flint McCullough on August 14, 2007
at 4:56 pm
a 90th minute goal saved our bacon yogi !
it was a game that we should of won EASILY !! easily
.. the preverbial
WALK IN THE PARK !a EASY SEASON OPENER AT HOME & we hashed it , Yup we got the 3 points
hoo harrr !!! if you all think it was some plan of arsenes to
‘kill them off’ in the 90th minute , then well done to him ..
keep believing it if you must..Sure its early in the season , and hopefully at least 50 % of our starters will hit there straps .(if we dont sell them 1st).
but as for competeing against the top sides ..no chance .
yes 1 or 2 players will make the difference if they are
the right players to bring in (th14 springs to mind)… is jens worth 20 million ?? NO (why cause he’s old and crap) NOT RATED BY BIG TEAMS
there is a reason these players like torres are being hunted by the other top teams spending HUGE BUCKS on them!
its because there GOOD and currently on top of there game! .. its no gaurentee SURE but the odds are far greater than buying a 16 year old and crossing the fingers..
alves and names like torres can change games single handedly ,just like TH14 and others could . if your waiting for another ANELKA or HENRY keep waiting … Because arsenal would prefer to manufacture youth talent (and sell them ),that takes years for some to be upto par. talent like pennant ,jeffers,sidwell and all the other semi failures ,we forget to mention, still reasonable players , but TOP CLASS .. NO ! it only proves our scouts or arsene can screw things up !!! that is the real risk, buying talent too young ..
if you looked at any players careers as a line graph , most would probably peak at 25- 28 .. it might change from position to position (and wiz kid talent).. defenders and goalies later , strikers prehaps have a lesser life span and will peak earlier.. my point is, most of our players havnt peaked yet (and wont for some time).. ok you might get hleb or rosicky peaking this year , but the difference between The Invincibles
and our current team is its inexperience , theres too many patches in certain positions where we lack the mustard !. where as chevs and the mancs assemble players who are currently on top of there game , ok you get the odd failure but there usually is a reason eto or henry is worth what their worth ! , but usually every top 4 club arnt waiting for 4 years for eboue or clichy to become TOP CLASS… it might happen ,
it might not ..
or you could simply buy a top class player who only needs time to settle into the team , but already has a PROVEN TRACK RECORD at the top level ! ..
I expect nothing less from a club like arsenal to follow suit.. if all you people cannot see our days are numbered , your more 1 eyed than objective !!!!
It matters little because after this season and loosing the CL spot we will not be able to command transfers of ESTABLISHED TOP TALENT , because who would come ?? ETO ?
why would he ?
I know the reason arsene isnt commiting his future.. its pretty obvious to me .. this is a lab experiment gone hidiously wrong ..
BUY players NOW or suffer the wrath of this slow slide downwards!
and as for over spending , there will always be a big tycoon ready to bail out a top club ! and if you win the EPL or CL
im sure the price is worth investing in ! at least having an arsenal shirt with ETO on it would sell alot of merchandise
world wide (but like i said earlier why would he come to play in an U23 side)… but dont stress you can all go out and buy a shirt with lehmann on the back of it .. im sure they have sold 2 so far ..
everyone here especially yogi keeps raving on about our great stadium , so if you think the futures so fianancially secure why not try and compete ??? stay in the running ?
i was not impressed by our pre season nor the 1st game of the season at home.. same old …same old ..
like someone said .. it makes a change to play crap and get 3 points..
but i wouldnt get used to it ..
By: ethan_gooner on August 14, 2007
at 5:00 pm
Lol…Eathan you jump out of the wrong side of the bed again? I love reading your views
keep it up
By: Toronto Gunner on August 14, 2007
at 5:07 pm
oh dear oh dear oh dear
By: Frank on August 14, 2007
at 5:13 pm
frank suck my big one !
By: ethan_gooner on August 14, 2007
at 5:17 pm
I would still like Appiah. he is that good I’d then be prepared to have Ros and Hleb on the left wing if we could get him. I understand he would cost a measly 6m. then we could sell flam and song and buy a young left winger (or Modric?) with the left over cash. all seems obvious to me.
By: gazzap on August 14, 2007
at 5:23 pm
same old, same old
By: Steve on August 14, 2007
at 5:24 pm
gazzap, we could have got rid of flamini this summer but wenger wanted to keep him.
By: Steve on August 14, 2007
at 5:25 pm
Fxxk me Ethan
has 1 of your buildings fallen down again?
Did you manage to see the game, that you have so many opinions on?
By: Flint McCullough on August 14, 2007
at 5:36 pm
gazzap ,
sagna was the best buy we made this summer ..
the jurys out on dudu .. but 2 1st team players in..
but how we can loose Jeremie Aliadiere ,,Johan Djourou (loan),Kerrea Gilbert (loan),Thierry Henry ,Freddie Ljungberg,Arturo Lupoli ,Fabrice Muamba ,Mart Poom & Jose Antonio Reyes and think our team is better off for it is beyond me !??!?!
Our team hasnt been on steriods or been in time machines thru-out the off season .. hleb has taken a step up , but that could have something to do with playing him in the right position!
or just he reacted to the not scoring issue of last season .. i still think theo will come good ( rooney like)
but again , i wouldnt hold my breath … fab’s still isnt strong enough (hes still a boy) sure he has talent when against a lesser talented marker , but any seasoned midfeilder can take him out of the game for long periods .
As for players.. i would like to see us purchase martins for one ! im actually hoping the only rumour kicking around at the moment comes true in pederson .. least he has a BIT of class and is EPL seasoned ! id still like mcarthy too . essien
wouldnt be bad either .. but we dont buy players of this calibre and thats the problem ! we would prefer to play blackjack and gamble on young kids ..
is it because arsenal is cash strapped or is it wenger still wants to buy and sell players like a feeder club .. everyone blows wind up arsenes trousers touting him as a genious.
he just acts like any other championship side producing young talent .. he needs to start thinking like the big boys.
buy the f#ing players to win something THIS season ! or the climb might be to steep to come back from next season ..
By: ethan_gooner on August 14, 2007
at 5:47 pm
Your walking on thin ice Flint.
He is probably sitting naked in a room full of moths, with his eyebrows shaved off, listening to old fivelive tapes of Arsenal games commentated by Alan Green. Walls plastered with Daily Mail and Evening Standard articles about Arsenal have had it, with quotes from Mithir Bose poking out here and there.
he might be drawing up a list Flint and you might be on it.
By: Frank on August 14, 2007
at 5:50 pm
ethan 3 of the players you mention were on loan anyway last season and poom was not a 1st teamer anyway
By: Steve on August 14, 2007
at 5:52 pm
Listening to Davis Pleat commentating is more likely Frank
By: Steve on August 14, 2007
at 5:53 pm
-Davis + David
By: Steve on August 14, 2007
at 5:54 pm
Quite right Steve, you might be on the list too.
By: Frank on August 14, 2007
at 5:55 pm
This made me laff though
http://arsenalshorts.co.uk/aug07/2007070813_02.html
By: Steve on August 14, 2007
at 5:56 pm
yes flint ! i saw it !!! and all pre – season .
do you want the torrent for fulham ??
or should i just cut and paste every critics comments
on the way we played?? ! especially the 1st half !
(remember we are AT HOME and against a lesser side-relegation bate side infact)
as you dont listen to anyone but yogi , or the one – eyes here !
here arsenes after match comments
———————————————————————
Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger:
“We were strong mentally and physically – this team is resilient. It was a test because we made it difficult for ourselves in the first minute.
“Jens Lehmann is the happiest person in the dressing room now as the team hasn’t had to pay for his mistake.
“Fulham played well but we wanted it so much we managed to win the game.”
———————————————————————-
Fulham played well-Fulham played well !!!
if our manager says it .. it must be true !??!?!
oh and we made it difficult for ourselves? Gee thats a new one !
NOT !
id like to find all the other comments i read , hoping to get a better angle on the game as that night i didnt see the game until the last few minutes so i read everything from arsenals GREAT ESCAPE to we where lucky to get 3 points !
and all the big guns in the know , DONT SHARE YOUR MAGIC MUSHROOM VEIW FLINT !
By: ethan_gooner on August 14, 2007
at 6:01 pm
Oh Frank
Why did you not tell me this earlier. I should be ok though because apparently I am blind already.
By: Flint McCullough on August 14, 2007
at 6:03 pm
ethan_gooner
Love your passion but you need to watch it otherwise you will have a serious health problem. I think the cure could be,(as Arsenal policy wont change and most of the board in fact all of the board and most of the supporters think AW is a genius) support Manu Liverpool or Chelsea. Those clubs follow your ideals, whereas this club does not. Imagine if you supported them you would have everything you wanted and I really think you will live much longer. I’m not having a go at you but think about it mate. Such passion should not go to waste those clubs would love it and you would be so healthy.
By: Old Timer on August 14, 2007
at 6:05 pm
Old Timer, Does that mean he can tear up his list?.
By: Frank on August 14, 2007
at 6:07 pm
I think the reason Wenger made Gallas captain is quite simple,i dont think Gilberto will be 1st choice this year,i think Wenger plans to play Diaby there…
By: Jel on August 14, 2007
at 6:11 pm
So you didn’t actually see the game Ethan & relied on the wonders of the media pundits & journos.
I expect you love your ‘big guns’ !
By: Flint McCullough on August 14, 2007
at 6:11 pm
steve your point ???
poom was transfered for about 50 pence .. so your right he isnt worth mentioning .. but neither is fabinski . other than carling cups we probly wont see him anyhow ! but i think poom in some ways is better than alumina , but my point is another great arsene purchase mart poom ! .. or the back firing lupoli !
great player with a great future .. just not in our future !
these are the risks of looking for young european talent ..
such as fabrigas . hes a boy who one day wants to go home , and ill bet my pants that it will co-enside with him turning into a legend (no chance in hell he will honour his 8 year contract ) ill bet my left nut on it !.. a great profit for the club if we sell him mind you .. but as we have seen this season , selling players and getting X for them doesnt mean arsene will buy more players worth the same X , you do the maths on players in and players out and arsene still should have over 15 million to spend .. without the club investing some sort of 5 million transfer cap .. BLOODY LIKELY we should still have money to spend .. ! but arsene
would rather make a profit for his bosses than actually
RE- SPEND that money into making the club better !!!!
By: ethan_gooner on August 14, 2007
at 6:15 pm
My point was that 3 of the players were on loan so the team is no weaker now that those players have left or been loaned again.
By: Steve on August 14, 2007
at 6:24 pm
Seems as though the AW buying policy is more interesting to you than football Ethan. Sadly you appear not to be alone. You seem to live in this strange football medialand where nobody actually plays or watches games. The game on Sunday was fantastic and remains the principal reason for my interest in football and AFC.
By: Frank on August 14, 2007
at 6:24 pm
flint ive just moved house and still waiting for the cable guy to come in and put up my south african satalite .. YES I SAW IT
but i didnt see it live i saw it monday night after i downloaded it !!!
and it was a defensive nightmare !!! they preyed on us at set peices and all the same old flair with no bang at the end of it !
as the journos say .. THE GREAT ESCAPE !
you think it was a team plan flint to score in the 90th minute??
AT HOME ? …. AGAINST FULHAM for f***S SAKE !
if any teams look like religation bate its them .. and we didnt
kill them off … infact they almost made it 2- 0 in the first half !
( both lehmann errors !) wake up flint .. tell me again how great we are , when we play a 1/2 decent team … AWAY !
or even at home …
when you play in a packed house AT HOME and go into the break 1 – nil down .. how did you see positives in that??
oh i know you fast forwarded it to 84 minutes then 90 minutes …
fulham was 6 minutes away from 3 points .. thats a fact !
By: ethan_gooner on August 14, 2007
at 6:26 pm
ethan why does it matter what time we scored a winner. how many times have manure won games in the past in the 90+ minute. also if dowd was a decent ref we should have had a penalty in 1st half.
By: Steve on August 14, 2007
at 6:31 pm
steve
do i have to mention the obvious then… baptista ..
or reyes … freddy and th 14 ..
no we are better off for them leaving right ???
THATS MY POINT !
frank
i dont really care about arsenes policies .. he needs to react
like any other business in changing times .. stay compeditive
or become a beta-max !
and if you think going into the break 1 nil down was a great exerience , im sure your in for a good season ! we still could not get it in the back of the net until the 90th minute !
(penalty at 84) the penalty could of gone either way like the rest of them .. if we need to rely on the ref to save our
arse-nals every game then your more of a gambler than a sports fan ! fact is fulham isnt chelsea .. and it definately aint close to the mancs .. so i wouldnt be so quick too pencil in us as the premiers this year .. as i regarded fulham as religation bate .. and at home we barely scraped in the great escape ! how you can take any positives from that game is beyond me .. defensively we sucked !
By: ethan_gooner on August 14, 2007
at 6:37 pm
steve
so your saying ? we are a diving team who looks for penalties ? and mancs won the epl last season and we were 21 points
astray .. so im sure they did it better than us ..
they have gotten far stronger .. (rooney being out is a bonus )
not for england , but tevez will replace him .. not bentner !
and leaving it til 90th minute wasnt on any game plan arsene had in mind im sure !!!! infact if you where a real fan arsene
said about 2 months ago .. We are striving to kill off the weaker teams quickly this season .. not the 90th minute !
and ill say it again against a side like fulham defensively we sucked !
By: ethan_gooner on August 14, 2007
at 6:45 pm
frank,
i would suggest it is perhaps you and a few others that are in the minority and are happy with where the team currently are and confident that we will mount a genuine championship run this year.
By: dan on August 14, 2007
at 6:53 pm
who said anything about diving. please do not put words in my mouth.
By: Steve on August 14, 2007
at 6:57 pm
Ethan,
There is no buzz for you is there? Not in your soul is it. You don’t really know what it is like to watch a game, any game involving your team. Just a hobby used to vent your futile anger? Watch a South African team go and watch the locals play, pick out a talented kid and watch hin progress. Go to the ACN. But don’t watch football through the lens of a warty old hack and then spout your sterile tripe to us. You are not a gooner you are full of adolescent bile looking for a way to offload it..
By: Frank on August 14, 2007
at 6:58 pm
Oh Christ Dan you really are a miserable f***** aren’t.
By: Frank on August 14, 2007
at 6:59 pm
…you
By: Frank on August 14, 2007
at 6:59 pm
about this, i admit it i am.
By: dan on August 14, 2007
at 7:04 pm
You wake up and the sun is shinning, bird are singing and you think to yourself, “what a wonderful day”. Then you catch a glimpse in the mirror and realise you are (ethan or dan) and you say “F**k this boring weather, we need some rain”.
By: Steve on August 14, 2007
at 7:11 pm
Yogi.
Great post mate. Said it all, I’m so sick of the worriers and those that shoot down Le Boss’ policies. Truth is that if you enter that cost race then it just ends in tears, yes talent is enticed but big money signings can often unsettle a team with the thought of “why aren’t I getting paid that much?” is no doubt bound to cross an established players mind. Where does it end, because if you extrapolate out it has to end sooner or later as I can’t see anyone paying 10 grand to watch a game on the TV. There’s no doubt that Football is now a business and anyone that’s had any experience in high business knows that you never spend beyond your limits, loans/VC cash/investors can all screw you over if not managed properly. Some here seem to be under the impression that spending big will make the Arse a wonder club (already are in my opinion) , well Newcastle have spent big, time and time again and look at where they are…. no one needs to even mention Leeds as an example bu there’s the proof looking you in the face (you have to feel sorry for the supporters).
Bottom line is that most people support the Arse BECAUSE they do things differently – otherwise we’d be looking across London at those in Blue. Who wants to be a metoo? All the anger and harping on in comments sections and/or forums won’t make a blind bit of difference (other then rubbing people up the wrong way, but I suspect that’s some people’s intention). What – do you think anyone at Arsenal is actually going to pay attention to a punter or journo’s? Anyone that just watches the game and that’s never experienced the business from within has NO clue as to what goes on behind closed doors in the halls of the Arse – we’re all passengers so why not enjoy the ride? Oh and if the AW way bothers anyone as much as this comments stream suggests, well there’s always the option of ManUre or Chelski who as has already been mentioned would welcome those disillusioned souls with open wallets.
By: Grimbo on August 14, 2007
at 7:25 pm
Squad for tomorrow night
Jens Lehmann
Manuel Almunia
Alexander Hleb
Tomas Rosicky
Mathieu Flamini
Cesc Fabregas
Theo Walcott
Nicklas Bendtner
Gael Clichy
Bacary Sagna
William Gallas (c)
Kolo Toure
Philippe Senderos
Alex Song
Robin van Persie
Emmanuel Eboue
Justin Hoyte
Armand Traore
2 Recognised Strikers!!!! hopefully it will be enough
Just means VP11 will be playing 2 games a week for a bit
By: Patthegooner on August 14, 2007
at 7:37 pm
Well said, Grimbo.
By: Frank on August 14, 2007
at 8:15 pm
Ethan, Dan calm down, calm down, Arsene’s with Esure!
By: Jon S on August 14, 2007
at 8:28 pm
I am finding it very hard to worry about our Winger woes tonight
especially after watching the 1st half of Spuds Everton
3-1 to the Toffees at half time
I can see the Spuds getting back in it though, but will it be enough
By: Patthegooner on August 14, 2007
at 8:50 pm
Are you enjoying this Frank?
YW certainly has a varied clientele these days.
By: Flint McCullough on August 14, 2007
at 9:05 pm
Dan,
I’m not happy, I wish we were defending league and European Champions. I hoped we would have added a left winger in the summer. Having said that, I do not believe how anyone can claim the boss is “bordering on incompetence”. It would seem if you do not like something, everything is wrong and all the toys have to come out the pram.
Are we in the most successful ten years of the club’s history?
How have you coped in other eras? What were the Graham years like for you? I dread to think!
No one is claiming everything is perfect, but we are backing the boss to face up to the obstacles and return us to the summit. If I could have a big spending manager or our boss, I would go unblinkingly with Wenger. The club’s evolvement in the last ten years being the answer. I accept that your feelings and perceptions are determined by the volume of money spent and the number of high brow players incoming, but these are often false gods. The same could not be said about the boss.
By the way, what period were you most content as an Arsenal fan?
By: danny on August 14, 2007
at 9:43 pm
Ethan is your brain so one-dimensional?
Your words….
“fact is fulham isnt chelsea .. and it definately aint close to the mancs .. so i wouldnt be so quick too pencil in us as the premiers this year”
Did Chelsea not struggle with promoted Birmingham? Did we not beat United twice last season? Did United not draw with Reading?
Where do you find this stuff?
Ok, you are not happy with the summers activities. In fact you are not happy with the general direction of the club under Wenger.
But why are you so determined to attack your own team, in the light of their first game of the season, where they looked rusty but took three points and showed character. It was simply the first game of the season. Only City enjoyed it wholeheartedly!
Did you celebrate when we scored?
By: danny on August 14, 2007
at 9:53 pm
Oh Dear
Spuds 1 Everton 3
I wonder where that leaves Mr Jol tonight, I hope they dont sack him and ruin everything
By: Patthegooner on August 14, 2007
at 9:54 pm
martin “who ate all the pies” jol bought well didn’t he. 1-3 to everton at shite fart stain
By: Steve on August 14, 2007
at 9:56 pm
Ethan, Dan, Oh Dear Oh Dear,
its a pity you two are not footballers because you really dribble well. Your comments about one if not the best manager we have ever had are beyond belief. Do you really think,(if you can, and be honest) Chelsea will continue to spend? Do you really expect Man u to continue to spend.
(IMO) when Chelsea’s missus gets hold of the Russian’s money in the divorce settlement he will up and sell hoping to make a quick profit. The Glass brothers will soon do likewise. (Hey I could be wrong I have been before I got married twice). We are doing fine, we have the best manager in the EPL bar none and a very good team, the proof will be seen at the end of the season. If we are wrong and we are in the majority, you can run off at the mouth and we will take it; but till then please stop talking rubbish; your giving my eyes GBH. Frank he should tear up his list and use it to wipe the crap coming out of his mouth.
By: Old Timer on August 14, 2007
at 10:02 pm
Patthegooner, and the doom boys(hey big spenders) there you go,read and weep spuds getting back into what. The doom boys there you go a big spender wow.
By: Old Timer on August 14, 2007
at 10:07 pm
i hate to get in to name calling, which obviously others are more than happy to do for some strange reason. however it seems that the intelligence level here seems pretty low. how many times do i have to say that i believe we need to buy a few players not spend obscene amount of money that we do not have. everytime i say that someone goes on about big spenders and the glazers and chelsea etc. what is so hard to understand about strenthening the squad with a few purchases when both the club and the manager have stated they have the funds to do that.
what is so hard to understand about that? i think people are just trying to show that they are the real and good supporters and questioning them would be seen as unacceptable.
as for spurs jol screwed up because he spent half his budget on an area he didn;’t need and ignored the midfield, the problem is not that he spent money is where he spent it.
By: dan on August 14, 2007
at 10:20 pm
Well said, Old Timer. Flint…well yes I think we both are aren’t we? We get the pleasure every time we see this side play. Sometimes it does’nt work out but it is always a thrill and a privilege to be there. Always has been always will be. Great to be a gooner.
By: Frank on August 14, 2007
at 10:22 pm
Same here Dan,
We all know Bent is not worth 16m pounds however, I dont believe we have ever said we must spend ludicrous money for someone who is not worth it,
Likewise I would of been questioning Wenger if he had spent the same money for Torres or Bent. cant you see that when I talk about new strikers I talk about Anelka or Martins or even Huntelaar, all players that we could get for around 10-12m.
All we say is we need a Winger (DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A 20M POUND WINGER),
Malouda was 13m and he looks outstanding, I raved about Di Maria and he cost less than 4m. We just want the gaping holes filled with class players at the right price. we have the money we have the gaps so why not fill them and push on for the Title.
Is this blog reserved for ultra positive comments only, Is criticising Wengers transfer dealings over the last two years now a hanging offence? do you honestly think we dont enjoy watching Arsenal play? I love the way we play football. we have a point of view and the Spuds losing 3-1 has not changed my view that we lack a winger and need more depth up front. remember we were 7 mins away from going up to Blackburn this weekend in the same position. I still see the Spuds coming back and I am sure they will probably pick up some more players in the coming weeks to fill their gaps
Roll on the Transfer window closing cause the 4/5 of us have the same chat every night. I hate being wrong but for Arsenal I really hope you guys are right and I am not, but 3 years of the same Wenger ‘ we are strong enough to challenge’ and 2 years of toying with 5th place just does not fill me with belief anymore.
By: Patthegooner on August 14, 2007
at 10:59 pm
What I will add to that is that Managers such as Jol and Benitez have been reckless in their transfer dealings and it does not help football in anyway
I would like to see a situation where there is a cap on how much a club can spend beyond their annual income. Unfortunately we have too many takeovers going on in a short space of time and it is killing the Market.
Believe me I would take great pride and win the work banter ribbings if we could have minimal investment and win the Title or even come within a few points of those who have spent silly money but to be in that position I feel we should do everything to ensure we have a squad to do so. i think we all agree that we need a Winger so our viewpoints are not that different.
I looked at Skysports earlier, are we really about 11m in profit from player sales this year?
By: Patthegooner on August 14, 2007
at 11:10 pm
it is fustrating watching players go to other clubs…but this is what we admire about wenger.he will not be bullied into paying more for players at the last minute he has very strong princibles and will not act like the proverbial whore to get something from dodgy bastads.wenger always has arsenals best interests at heart which cannot be said for most managers who put there own career success above that of the club. we all want the best players but at what expense.
wenger has class. and the club is in safe hands financially which i mean lets be honest is pretty damm important!!!
By: duke goonem on August 14, 2007
at 11:35 pm
We are not worthy of you Dan.
How can we be when you are so much more intelligent than not only us, but the incompetent Arsene Wenger?
You will probably find your intellectual level better served by the Sunshine Boys on East Lower.
By: Flint McCullough on August 15, 2007
at 12:22 am
there you go again flint, have i ever said i was more intelligent than arsene wenger? you seem incapable of reading someone else’s opinion that does not agree with yours and not start criticising them, why write on a blog if you just dismiss everyone elses opinion other than your own. i respect your opinion and appluad your optimisim, i just happen not to agree with it at the moment, and have never critisized you or all the fans whose views differ from mine.
By: dan on August 15, 2007
at 12:30 am
patthegooner, that doesn’t even take into account the huge savings on salaries. just TH and Fred alone was around 180 grand, the players they have brought in are probaly on the 30k mark. serious savings. FABULOUS MANAGEMENT from wenger!!!!
By: dan on August 15, 2007
at 12:33 am
Anyone who is happy with a squad that includes Song, and untried strikers is a true fan
By: solgooner on August 15, 2007
at 12:42 am
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at 12:58 am
Money doesn’t buy you success. Look at our dearest North London neighbour at the bottom of the table now.
By: Louisa on August 15, 2007
at 3:00 am
hey dan,
they would rather be optamistic , and they have a right to there opinion . but if they search there true feelings
they know we are right .. a bunch of kids wont compete with the top 4.. infact im actually laughing at how pathetic their knowledge of the game is , and there overall vision ,or 1 eyed veiw, has dented their perception of reality .. i was born in north london and you can pretend that ill support another team .. but if you believe i would swap sides
just because we arnt doing well , then im sure its a mentalitiy the old timer and frank would support .. sounds like he would bat for the other team just based on the weather alone .. your not true supporters .. its just like your kids .. if their doing something wrong you dont reward them for it !!!
old timer , frank your both sad little men ..
( i wont pick on flint (the yogi clone) as at times his opinions supports mine.. not often ..but he doesnt lower himself (usually) to name calling)he also truely believes in santa claus but we have an understanding ..
how you can see(old crowny,wrank) a positive in beating fulham at home in the 90th minute stiffles me THAT WAS REALLY KILLING THEM OFF EARLY !
.. i suggest you turn your hearing aid on old timer .. or prehaps you should tune into the right game next time ..
i know at your age of 137 its hard to get used to a thing called a remote control but next time tune into the arsenal game, which went into the half 1 – nil down .. that was killing them off quickly wasnt it !!
frank .. ive never met a frank who was all there (or i liked for that matter).. frank spencer right ? old fossil ,opps timer should remember him ..
oh and duke if wenger had arsenals best interests at heart he would already have signed a new deal WHAT TOSS ! …
hes holding off .. and thats wengers ‘best interests’ at the heart of it !
oh and ‘old pensioner’ satalites are things in the sky it means i can tune into over 500 football channels .. not that im based in SA.. you old git !
By: ethan_gooner on August 15, 2007
at 3:30 am
Louisa,
your mind is melded if you think that spurs are finished this early .. with talent like berbatov , keane and bent ,jenas.. it just shows how little you know about the game … stick to cooking and see where they will come in, come the end of the season .
for the records i hate spurs obviously .. but the comment of big spending doesnt equal success it just pure rubbish .. tell that to the chevs .. im sure we didnt want ribery – tevez – babel
because if they are worth alot in Louisa’s eyes they are all crap !!!!
some teams take time to hit there straps , but if the experience is there , how on earth can you say big money players are a waste of time .. Yes with that mentality we should go out and buy the crappiest , cheapest players ,oldest players available …
maybe we could get frank and old timer to play for us ..
oh thats right its a mens team
By: ethan_gooner on August 15, 2007
at 3:41 am
pat ,
i dont think that spurs or liverpool are reckless in there spending , they are TRYING TO COMPETE ! if a little of that rubbed off on arsenal , we wouldnt be where we are now !!
being truthful obviously hurts alot of the 1 eyed tinted brigade here .
BUT , ok lets pretend im ‘old timer ‘..
What a great exciting game of football we saw on sunday ..
we where always in the game .lehmann is top class keeper still !. and we are invincible !!!.. our manager is such a genious by not partisipating in the transfer window this season .letting the likes of ribery and babel go to opposition clubs. and selling freddy and henry too boot ,it was good from a club perspective .we will prosper without those players …(cough)
Theres no need to replace our old heros ,which are still younger than i but over 100 years ..but we killed them off early in the first half letting them score in the 1st minute ,and our defence was as tight as that navy sailors arse i dated in world war 1 .. and we defended set peices like iron at the back !!! i think we should win the league by about 35 points clear of the mancs and chevs this season,as our players are simply top class compared to the likes of ronaldo , rooney, drogba, essien , torres,alves ,berbatov ,pizzaro ,terry, lampard just to name a few .. sure most of our players still wear nappies but we have faith that arsene will get 10 more 16 year olds
too bring up thru the ranks to sell to other clubs and make a profit .. i sometimes wonder why we made 30 million worth on our players sold this season, and replace them with about 15 million worth of untested talent in the EPL,
but i think the other money must goto pension homes…
and that just gives me a great sence of relief that not only are we the greatest football team on the planet ,but our manager is not signing a new contract , because maybe he just doesnt think he’s worthy of us next season !!!
By: ethan_gooner on August 15, 2007
at 4:41 am
Ethan top post mate
BY Reckless I mean spending 16m on someone worth about 8
For example if we did buy MGP from Blackburn for 8m I would be happy, if le boss paid 16m for him, then I wouldn’t.
Likewise the early rumours of us spending 16m on Dudu did annoy me, but I was happy it was around 8m. I know its not my money but it means we are stilll in credit and it makes no sense to not fill the gaps (who knows what is happening in the background……I suspect nothing)
By: Patthegooner on August 15, 2007
at 7:26 am
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at 7:56 am
ethan_gooner,
sorry now I get it they have changed the system if you don’t spend enough money then you lose and end up where we are(me I’m wrapped where we are). Now I’ve got that, I do understand spend spend spend use all our money up and spend and we win. Sorry call it old age. A thought passes in my mind what happens if we spend spend spend and have no money and still no success, we could end up like Leeds(Leeds were once a very powerful team), oh dear I don’t want that. Perhaps we should also get rid of AW and get Jol he should be cheap now. Had a rethink I prefer we go the way we are going, and at the end of the season you and your other doom members can say Flint and Old Timer were right and we were wrong.
Spuds need new supporters and they spend spend spend, and Man U and Liverpool, just a thought, trying to help out a mate.
Oh bye the way Quinapril is a good heart tablet for blood pressure to take have a word with your doctor; because the rate you are going you will need to.
By: Old Timer on August 15, 2007
at 8:24 am
Oh dear oh dear oh dear………
By: Frank on August 15, 2007
at 8:26 am
Sorry Frank you are so right, oh dear oh dear oh dear, these young things; good for a laugh anyway. What big one did ethan mean you suck? He’s a very proud boy, bet Daddy is pleased.
By: Old Timer on August 15, 2007
at 8:36 am
Not sure Old Timer, I only understand about 10% of his comments. I know I am not a gimp (which he accused me of the other day) becuase I get claustrophobia and I don’t like leather next to my skin. Really looking forward to tonight’s game and wish I could be there….
By: Frank on August 15, 2007
at 9:14 am
Frank, Old timer
THis is where you dont understand our points
We recognise (As does the majority of Arsenal Fans and pundits) that we are a winger a and a Striker light.
IF we had these players in the squad already and were still 10-15m in credit, then great there is no need to spend spend spend, but be havent so in my mind it is foolish not to fill the gaps if you have the money.
Old Timer
Your comment
A thought passes in my mind what happens if we spend spend spend and have no money and still no success, we could end up like Leeds(Leeds were once a very powerful team),
well a thought passes through my mind, what if we dont spend to fill the gaps, we could end up like Leeds cause we are not in the Champions League..
By: Patthegooner on August 15, 2007
at 10:24 am
I understand your points perfectly PattheGooner. I am not against AW buying players. I am just comfortable allowing him to be the judge. In the mean time I am really enjoying watching this team develop with time. My main concern is that several people commenting seem to dislike the club, management, AW and players, and don’t seem to enjoy watching the football either. ..often this dislike is expressed in long, ill-written rants.
By: Frank on August 15, 2007
at 10:40 am
“is very poor management”
“completely ignore those needs and merrily going on ignoring them isn’t that a problem?”
“bordering on complete incompetence”
Just a few of your comments about AW, Dan.
Perhaps I am too thick to understand your subtleness but to me it means you consider yourself to be on a much higher level than Mr Wenger.
Look I don’t think any Arsenal supporter would turn down another signing or 2 but the way you & your enlightened buddies go about stating your point of view is extremely irritating. You have absolutely no knowledge of what may be going on behind the scenes & yet you come out with phrases like the above.
It is disrespectful to one of the greatest ever managers in world football who continues to do a tremendous job for Arsenal FC.
Well I am ok then Frank & Old Timer, not on Ethan’s list.
It is sad that someone who clearly knows so very little has so much to say with such a lack of clarity.
“at the end of the season you and your other doom members can say Flint and Old Timer were right and we were wrong”
I don’t quite agree with that Old Timer. It is not a matter of who wins or looses but who is the true supporter – win or loose.
I think we come at it from a different angle. We have seen, first hand, extremely thick & very thin.
From the way they write these chaps/gals?, who I suspect do not go to the games, have only known nothing less than very thick but they expect extremely thick all the time.
By: Flint McCullough on August 15, 2007
at 10:54 am
Flint you are of course right, it was a bit flippant on my behalf to include you in my opinion. Perhaps I am still the boy who supported my team and gave my opinion as to how we would go. I supported them when they were down, and suffered the taunts of Spurs and Leeds fans hoping that our day would return. The last football match played by the Busby Babes against us,(the last match they ever played as a team was marvelous even though we lost 5. .4 ) I still remember with joy to this day. I have loved and enjoyed the past seasons since AW has been in charge,(and would have been one of those who said Arsene who). I don’t think I am less of a supporter for looking at the winning and losing aspects of the game, and I know I am a bore when we win but thats just me. Forgive an old mans indulgence.
By: Old Timer on August 15, 2007
at 12:08 pm
What I was trying to say OT was that this debate, if you call it that, we are having with the ‘Doomers’ cannot be resolved purely on the results of this season.
I object to the way these people so arrogantly dismiss the Arsene/Arsenal way of doing things in such an arrogant & simplistic way.
That 4-5 was the 1st game I went to on my own. I was supposed to have a ticket but was let down at the last minute. I got to Highbury with a friend just before kick off & it took all the 1st half for us, as kids, to be passed to the front.
We were 3-0 down at half time but were level with about 5 minutes. Those were the days of true passion.
I was also 1 of the 4k odd who were at Highbury against Leeds in 1966 & at the WBA game when only 8k turned up.
We had a right to moan & whinge then but certainly not now.
By: Flint McCullough on August 15, 2007
at 12:33 pm
“we are like the Hedgehog at the side of a motorway waiting to find that elusive gap in the traffic to reach the other side without being flattened onto the Tarmac”
very classy
I think this year is about the most “settled” team…and we do look settled as of now…once we play the top 3, we will know where we stand, till then lets reserve our judgement about the team
By: freekicker on August 16, 2007
at 9:48 am